Friday August 1st

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Starts now and now you're special guest host Anthony Jermain.
Good morning and happy Friday, the very first day of August.
Delighted to have made it to the end of the
week feeling in here on Open Line. It's been a
great brain challenge and I have to say a lot
of fun too. Certainly want to thank Dave Williams, the
producer of the show, for showing me all the right

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dance moves in Patty's absence as well. I want to
thank Russell and Jerry, Lynn and Sarah for making me
feel very welcome here at VOCM, and of course need
to thank those of you who phoned in on such
a wide variety of topics this week. Please keep calling
and finally to you the listener, even if you didn't
call in, you're the ones who make open Line a
big part of your day and you make the show

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such a success. I am Anthony Jermaine filling in for
Patty for one more day. So let's just get right
into this. A few things I want to raise Donald
Trump hitting us with much more severe tariffs than he
decided to whack the Europeans with. That's one thing. Also,
looking at the CBC, looks like there are a lot
of dead salmon on the South coast again, though nothing

(01:22):
like the massive die off five or six years ago.
Still though, these mortality incidents, as the industry calls them,
very unfortunate, and now at three locations, so we'll take
a look at that. And a pretty interesting solution to
finding new housing in New West Valley, which is where
I'd like to start this morning. If any of these
topics are of interest to you, or as we head

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into the weekend, if your community's got something special on
to go that you want to bring to people's attention,
by all means, give us a call. And if it's
a topic that I haven't mentioned or went missing this week,
you know where to call. Or if you tried to
call in and you didn't make it on the line,
please give us another chance. The phone number seven zero
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in Saint John seven zero nine two seven three five
two one one, and right across the province one triple
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eight eight eight five nine zero eight six two six. Well,
when it comes to the housing shortage in this province,
you'll often hear, as I did on this very show
this week, that a big part of the problem is

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that we let in Ukrainians, and we before that, we
let in Syrians, we let in Filipinos, lots of people
from other countries, and of course they need somewhere to live,
so they end up competing with people who were born
here for limited housing. Now usually, and I'm up pointing
fingers here, but sometimes people will make this argument, and
they'll start by saying something like I'm no racist, but

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and look, you do not have to be racially aware
to look at the economic reality of supply and demand that.
There's definitely some truth that pressure on the housing market
does arrive from the influx of New Canadians. However, a
bigger truth is if we don't find people, and I
mean waves of people to come to this province to
get jobs, pay tax has become part of Newfoundland and

(03:13):
Labrador society. Those of us who have passed the age
of fifty, and there are more of us than anybody
else in this place. We are going to be in
a bind as we age because the tax base to
fund all the things we want, not just healthcare, schools, roads,
the whole thing, it's just not going to be there.
And I don't mean just healthcare. If you really want
to get a sobering glance at the gray, aging iceberg

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of demography facing us, i'd encourage you to go to
the Canadian Census online, look up Newfoundland and Labrador and
take a look at the birth rate and when you
break it down and you take a look at just
how old numerous the population here is going to be
in ten years. If you think we're old now, you
really got to look at the census and you'll see, Wow,

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this is going to get very very serious. You need people.
But what gets much less attention is the returning wave
of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians who left this place after the
cod Moratorium, moved to Ontario or Alberta or any other
part of Canada, or even somebody from around the Bay
who just moved to Saint John's. But on the case
of people who left the province, they got married, had kids,

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really lived most of their lives away from here, paid
taxes throughout their lives in another province or territory. Now
the kids have grown up, they own a three or
four bedroom house that has just accumulated an incredible amount
of value over the decades that they lived elsewhere, so
they can sell that home in Canada, build up their
nest egg, and then finally move back home. And certainly

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we celebrate the fact that many Newfoundlanders and Labradorians want
to come home, and many do so, but as an
economic model, having people spend the healthy part of their
young lives elsewhere and then return here once they're significantly older,
when we're all in a position, I mean, aging is overrated,
We're going to need medical attention. It's just not a

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great model. And I say that without any kind of judgment.
Everybody in this country has the right to move wherever
they want. And I don't have to tell you how
well that many many people have done from Newfoundland and
Laborador figuring out life in Alberta or elsewhere. And I'm
not really talking about the rotation workers in this small rant,
but rather about people who are now seniors who've decided

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to come home. And when you compare that demographic to
young immigrants, there are two key differences, two key advantages.
The immigrant class younger provide less of a strain on
the healthcare system, but they do require government services to
start their new lives here, no question about that. The
returning retiree class, they are resuming their lives here, not

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starting a new life really in a sort of way,
they are, but they're basically coming back and they know
the place. They don't go through the same culture shock.
They need to find a place to live, and they
too will be paying taxes. Maybe they'll buy a house,
pay municipal taxes, somewhat lower income taxes if they're just
living off a pension, or they might be working as well.
They pay sales tax. So I'm not saying there are
no revenue benefits when somebody who was born here comes home.

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So where's Anthony going with this or what's going on about? Well,
there's a really interesting story that the Canadian Press has.
Sarah Smelly is the local reporter here who works for
CP and she's got this great yarn about the housing
crisis not here in Saint John's or Mount Pearl, not
this side of the overpass.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
No.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Her article examines the housing crunch in New West Valley,
and her story's main idea the thesis essentially this that
Newfoundlanders who fled during the cod moratorium are returning and
they are creating or helping to create something of a
housing crunch in different parts of the province. Now this
is an opinion here, but journalism that just identifies a

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problem shows us something is really bad off and wrong,
that's not working. That's one thing. But really good journalism,
excellent journalism also shines a light on the salution, and
that's what Sarah does in the CP story. The center
of the story is Mike Tiller, the mayor of News Valley,
and what he talks about in this story is that
community's decision and attempts to hire a Danish firm to

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build a seventeen unit housing complex. So if this goes ahead,
the municipality has bought the land, they're getting some federal
assistance as well. These modular ocean front buildings will be
part of the solution. And what I really like in
the article is the description of how young families are
also part of the returning wave to News Valley. So

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it could be the kids of kids, or even Mainlanders
have decided they're going to make Newfoundland or a Newfoundland home.
So yes, housing crisis story is serious. But what I
like about this is it is very positive. It highlights
one part of the solution that I don't think gets
as much attention. People can sort of whine and complain
about the province and the federal government, and no doubt

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that's where a lot of the money is going to be.
But municipalities are key to addressing some of the housing
issues in our province because they've got to find the
right solutions for their communities. And nobody knows what those
solutions could be better than the people, the mayors, the councilors,
and what they hear from the people who live in
their communities. So if I were you google Canadian Press

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News Valley and you should find the story. And if
you're from there or any smaller municipalities finding solutions to
the housing issues where you live, please give us a call.
And if you're from one of the bigger communities here
on the Avalon also feel free to weigh in on
this too. Seven zero nine two seven three five two
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five nine zero eight six two six. Now to the
South Coast salmon aquaculture now CBC reporting about three incidents
resulting in thousands of fish going belly up at a
couple of fish farms. These mortality incidents, or die offs,
happened on farms that belonged to two well known companies

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in aquaculture. MOE they lost more than seventeen thousand fish,
about ten percent of the total, at a series of
pens in ron Kantor East and at around the same
time in Hermitage Bay a day earlier. Actually, Cook Aquaculture
and other big player reports that it lost forty seven
thousand fish in one incident, and Cook says in their

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case it was a combination of water temperatures rising too
high and sea lice. Now MOEE doesn't mention sea lice,
but it does say that their die off was connected
to rising water temperatures, and seeing how both of these
dieoffs kind of happened in the same twenty four hour period,
it would seem to be that you know, that's connected
that way. Cook, by the way, also had a separate

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incident where they lost seventeen to eighteen thousand juvenile fish.
This during a transfer, a smolt transfer, so a young fish.
And these mortality events happened around July nineteenth and July twentieth,
just over a week ago. Now, the companies say they've
cleaned up the mess that and we've seen these happen before.
These kinds of incidents just an unfortunate reality of fact

(10:02):
of life in the fish farming business. Now I am
a little curious about these die offs and the fact
that they're linked to rising water temperatures. If you think
about the kind of summer that we've seen and more
and more studies forecasting a faster onset of higher temperatures
than scientists had previously predicted. It got me wondering how
the industry intends to adapt to these kinds of incidents

(10:25):
or mortality events. And I know the industry has transformed
the economies of many communities on the South coast, and
it's good to see these companies reporting these incidents. You
might recall there was a massive mortality of about five
years ago involving moee. More than two million fish perished
at their operations sort of in the same area too,
and the company had its licenses suspended for not reporting

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the incident the way it should have. So it's as
difficult as it is for industries to see these animals
die in large numbers, nothing like what happened five years ago,
and at least in this case, it seems as though
it's being reported in a timely way. So if you
want to talk about these incidents, the pros and cons
of salmon aquaculture, by all means, give me a call. Now.

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I hate to say I told you so, especially when
it comes to Donald Trump, But on Monday's show, I
mentioned that August first was an important date, even though
at that time I think everybody was focused on July thirtieth,
the regatta. Today was the deadline Trump had imposed for
a deal between the United States and Canada, and on
Monday we learned that over the past weekend, the Europeans

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and Trump had agreed to an overall fifteen percent tariff
on their good So the Europeans agreed to take a
fifteen percent cut while also agreeing to buy something like
three quarters of a trillion, seven hundred and fifty billion
dollars in weaponry and military equipment. So last night Trump
did what many politicians and business people here feared might happen.
He hit US with a thirty five percent tariff. So

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there's so many ways to look at this. It's twenty
percent higher than what the EU managed to negotiate with him.
And I was sort of flipping through different newspapers this
morning online. As the New York Times put it this way,
As President Trump rolled out his latest round of tariffs
late Thursday, he fell again into what has become a familiar,
if surprising pattern, favoring Mexico and stiffing like that, stiffing Canada.

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So Mexico will get a ninety day reprieve, so three
months before it will find out if it's going to
be dealt with the same way. But for Canada, an
increase from twenty five percent to thirty five percent, and
that crushing fifty percent that was previously announced on steel
and aluminum that stays in effect. And I think the
twenty five for the auto sector stays there as well.

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And even worse, these tariffs they all take effect immediately. Now,
if you were listening a bit earlier when I was
talking to Russell and Jerry Lynn, looking at what some
of the business associations in Canada are saying, the Conference
Board of Canada being one of them. We do have
some protection and a lot a lot of goods. In fact,
the majority of goods are protected by the by COSMA,

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the Canada, the United States Mexico Free Trade Agreement. So
part of this is sort of typical Trump bluster, where
it looks really tough and mean and nasty, and I
think some of this is just basically show Americans like,
I'm not going to I'm not going to let other
countries take advantage of us, because that's the kind of
fiction that Trump has been propagating. Because remember this all

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started because Canada was allegedly some kind of gateway to fentanyl,
which has been completely disproven. A couple of pounds I
think was seized in the course of a year, most
of that coming from Mexico, which is getting this three
month reprieve. And then just yesterday or the day before,
Trump saying that he was really unhappy to hear Mark
Carney talk about the possibility of recognizing Palestine as a state,

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and so he said, well, if they're going to talk
about the Middle East that way, then we're probably not
going to get a trade deal. So there's so many
explanations from the President about this, you know, depending on
what day of the week it is. But I think
one of the interesting things from a Canadian political point
of view, forget about the economics for a second, is
here you have a prime minister in Mark Karney, who

(14:08):
pulled off this remarkable comeback in the last election, largely
because he campaigned on the notion that he was a
better choice to handle the man who is in charge
of the free world right now, the occupant of the
White House. He rode this wave of support that kept
the Liberals in power. But with this erratic president, I mean,

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how do you negotiate anything at all if the intention
was to basically hammer us all along? And so I
think this is going to be a challenge for Karney,
probably the biggest challenge he's had. The honeymoon period of
the election has lasted for a certain duration. We'll see
what happens now, or there's always the chance it might

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solidify and unite people. One person who seems to have
risen almost captain Canada and all this is Rob Ford.
And I noticed this morning the Premier of Ontario. Let's
face it, the auto industry steal aluminum. He's the one
who's really getting smacked here, and so is the Province
of Ontario, mister Ford saying that Carney should stop being
so nice and it's time to hit the Americans with

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everything we've got. Uh, that's not something that the Prime
Minister has done, and he has taken a few, you know,
some major criticism for perhaps being a little too understanding
and a little too kind to the Americans. So I'd
like to know what you think about that or the
other subjects that I mentioned, so the trade war of Trump, aquaculture,
creative housing solutions. If any of these stories appeal to you,

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today on my last day. So uh, make sure we've
got lots of people. Be great to hear from you.
I look forward to talking to you your calls right
after the break. Okay, we'll get the show going. The
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Let's go to line number one. Josh, good morning, you're
on the air.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Good morning. How's were going today?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I'm fantastic. Hu, It's Friday. Can't get better.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
NAT's better, It's better. I'm finally in a hospital.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
Hopey.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, Well, what do you want to talk about?

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Just basically regarding shortages in the immerged apartment, and I
was directly affecting health care well for me anyway, Okay,
the last couple of days, all right, so basically there
you go ahead.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
No, no, I just want to say, so, are we
talking about Health Science Center, Saint Clair's?

Speaker 7 (16:48):
This?

Speaker 5 (16:48):
This was Saint Clair's. I went to Saint Claire's first
and then left Club of Shortages and went.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
To Health Sciences.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Okay, tell me what happened.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
So basically I was feeling on well in the morning whenever,
like you know, and and aches and dizziness. Eventually I
ended up going to Saint Claire's. So I go into
Saint Claire's, wait like five minutes even see anybody, to
start with nothing, and then one of the first things
that the staff had said to me was, we're three
nurses short. I look at the board about me. It
says five to seven hours wait for non urgent care

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and two to four hours wait for urgent care. And
it was felt very obvious to me that I wasn't
gonna see anybody anytime soon. So I shows leave on
my own accord. I went to Health Sciences. When I
got to Health Sciences, went up to the desk.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
The same thing.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Nurse looked at me, immediately took me to the back,
and within fifteen twenty minutes I was in a cat scandische.
Really that's yeah, Now, this is nothing on the staff
at all.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
This is like I was.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
I could see that they were, you know, overworked, and
they told me directly they were three nurses short at
Saint Claire's. Yeah, but like as exactly like if I
had sat there in the chair for hours, according to
how urgent my care have a health Sciences. That wasn't
you know what I mean, right, I don't know, like
it's just, you know, it's pretty poor to see that

(18:09):
it's not their fault that they don't have staff, right.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
All right, I'm kind of I have to say, Josh,
I'm kind of two minds what you're saying. Because so
you go to Saint Clair's, they tell you we're three
nurses short. It's going to be a long wait because
you're not urgent. You you take it upon yourself, and
I think very correctly to go to Health Sciences and
they see you pretty quickly, right, yes.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
Oh immediately, and like, well they think like at Saint Claire's,
I didn't like I basically it was triage immediately at
Health Sciences, where I don't feel like I was you know,
I don't know how long that would have took at
Saint Claire's, but I wasn't. I was feeling bad enough
that I wasn't willing.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
To write you know what I mean right now? I
guess the nub of all this did somebody at Health
Sciences say, okay, look we've got this guy, Josh, and
this is actually more serious than it seems. So we
got to see him quickly or did you just did
you ever find it?

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Really?

Speaker 6 (19:01):
Say she?

Speaker 5 (19:02):
She just looked at me and then told me to
coming back with her pretty much right away. And mind you,
my my condition may have the tier I couldn't. I
don't really know, right because I was in I was
in that condition, so maybe my condition deterier anymore. But
like it was literally the time it took me from
ZERI from Saint Claire's to help scientists.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Right, so do they do the usual thing where they
take your blood pressure and all that before they decided to.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
Yeah, yeah, and then they then started doing like the
stroked uh you know signs. I guess it's called right, yeah,
but yeah, like, uh, it's the understaffing felt like, you know,
and also like the one thing I observed from me
at Saint Claiirs. I'm not saying that every every condition
is visible or whatever, but it seemed to me like
a lot of people waiting to get to emerge at

(19:42):
Saint Clair's were there for more like doctor's appointments than emerge.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
That makes sense.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Well, yeah, this look like you know what I mean,
that's common for us.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
I guess no family.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Doctors, right, Yeah, it's become kind of the norm with
so many people without primary care give with us a
doctor or nurse, prac or somebody they you know, the
hospital emergence have become kind of like that, which is
one of the reasons you have, you know, a sign
if they're telling you you're going to be waiting five
to five to seven hours.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
But Josh, if you encourage people on the stript non
urgent care and maybe not wait or you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, but at the end of the story, it sounds
to me like you got the healthcare you needed.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
I did eventually, Yes, it was just but I feel
like part of that was because of my own decision
not to wait. Yeah, So I don't know, maybe you
gotta stand up. Well, I guess if everyone's say, you know,
also emerged and starts, you know, losing your minds hand,
I want care now, and it's not going to fix
anything either, right.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Well, I mean most of health experts now say that
one of the solutions, not just in this province but
in any province where you've got healthcare system that's kind
of creaking, is for people to become their own best advocates.
So if you had, you know, the the notion that
you know what, I'm not going to wait seven hours.
I think I need I need to see somebody. And

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so you took it upon yourself.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
But then again I kind of wonder, so, you know,
who who stays there and doesn't get care and then
maybe maybe the outcome is not so good.

Speaker 8 (21:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
And then I also wonder if it was like maybe
partially with like the epidemic of in our province of
you know, drug USA, and me being a young person
thirty five, comes in with something wrong. I'm not much
of a priority comparative, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Like because when you see the people that are hanging
around inside down there, like it's people who are in
in golod spots in their life right walking inside the
doors of the emerge, you can see it.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Can you just give me a can you just give
me a comparison? So how many people would you guesstimate
we're in the emergency waiting room at Saint Clair's versus
the number of people who are health sciences because my
experience was very.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
Similar, I'd say from what I seen. Okay, at that
point in time, mind you, I wasn't like paying much
attention because I was you know, don't feel well.

Speaker 9 (21:48):
Yeah, but it seemed like they're one.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
It seemed comparable.

Speaker 6 (21:52):
Numbers.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Right, I'm just curious, how are you feeling now?

Speaker 4 (21:56):
All right?

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Things better?

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah, I just this church today.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
I'm still having some trouble talk and that kind of
stuff that you could probably tell.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
But so did this happen just yesterday twenty ninth, twenty ninth, Okay,
so two days ago?

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Did they give you any kind of census to you
know what you've got to do to take care of
yourself or you got something?

Speaker 6 (22:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yeah, I knew.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Sure, Okay, I don't want to go, you know, I
don't want to pry into your more.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Is not more or less about my specific case.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
It's more about the time and the resources, right, And
the resources at Health Sciences were amazing, right, m hm,
not like everything's happened right away, specialist test.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
It was great.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
It was just the initial initial portion of attending emerge
and the shortages, right.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Is there is there a reason you went to Saint
Claire's first instead of Health Science?

Speaker 5 (22:43):
I was I was staying and running a house downtown
Paneramy and me. That was like literally around the corner.

Speaker 10 (22:47):
From Saint Claire's.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Oh okay, so it was proximity.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
Well it was immediate, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 11 (22:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
So what advice would you share with people, because I mean,
I know there a lot of people who decided to
go to Saint Clair's for emergency care and non emergency care.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
I would say, if you only know what you feel
like truly yourself, if you feel like there's something more
going on, I guess like you got to take it
upon yourself, like you said, and you know, only you know,
But I don't know. I guess people have different opinions
on their own health as well.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Right, Yeah, I gotta say.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
Like something's really wrong, I guess you got to push it.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah. I mean, I really appreciate the phone call because
as somebody with a lot of friends and family involved
in the healthcare system, I think we tend to hear
only the negative. So at least you've mixed the positive
outcome of what happened.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
I don't think it's anything to do with the staff, like,
because it's completely like I've really got top notch care right.

Speaker 6 (23:37):
At the end.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Still, it's very telling. It's very telling that when you
go to Saint Clair's, they say, hey, listen, you should
know right now where three nurses short?

Speaker 5 (23:45):
Yes, yeah, exactly right. So that that also led to me,
you know, wanting more desire to leave no somewhere else
knowing that, you know, Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I think Health Science will probably Health Science Center, maybe
they had a better had a better staffing situation. Josh,
I appreciate the call all the best, and I hope
you I wish you a speedy recovery, and I hope
you have a great weekend.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Thanks, Okay, appreciate that. Before I get to the break,
just a traffic note here, there's an increased police presence
on the trans Canada this hour. This is near the
fox Trap Access Road as part of what the RCMP
called an ongoing police operation, so they're asking people to
avoid the area while officers work at the scene there.

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The police say there is no risk to public safety.
The RCMP provide more information as it becomes available. So
once again, there's an increased police presence on the trans
Canada at this hour near the fox Trap Access Road
as part of what the RCMP call an ongoing police operation.
So be careful. They we would really appreciate it if
people will avoid that area. Okay, Well, I think we

(24:53):
might actually go to the break ted early because I
don't want to cut off callers. If you want to
get in line, by all means, do so, and we'll
get to Morgan right after the break. All right, I'm
Anthony Jermaine, sitting in for Patty Daily, as I have
been doing all week, last day today. It's been a
great week. Phone numbers here in Saint John's two seven

(25:14):
three five two one one seven zero nine two seven
three five two one one and toll free right across
the province one eight eight five nine zero eight six
two six. Going to go to line three Morgan, Good
morning here on the air.

Speaker 12 (25:28):
Good morning Hathney.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
What was I to talk about?

Speaker 12 (25:30):
A week by? You had a good week. I listened
to here alf and and throughout the week you had
some great topics.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Oh good, I'm glad you liked it. What you want?
Which topic do you want to tackle now?

Speaker 12 (25:38):
Well? I was coming on to have a chat about
the budget, how our deficits and budget. But listen to
you there and your talk up there about the year. Uh,
this tariffs that's going to affect everybody, not only Yes,
I'm just thinking as I heard you talk and I
hope the hell it don't affect our seafood exports. I mean,
say all of our stuff goes down to the Boston market.

(25:59):
Say yeah, and I'm hoping that other deal Mexico Canada
alleviates that. I mean, say that's one of that. That's
that's over a billion dollar industry.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Oh, it's huge, it's pretty important and at the moment
it enjoys an exemption and let's uh, let's hope it
stays that way.

Speaker 12 (26:17):
That's got it's an exemption on that here. Yeah, but
any event, what prompted my car. I looked on your
news this morning, you know, on your review seeing website there,
and I noticed the Horror Center has been cut back.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (26:32):
I think you probably touched on that too. I'm glad
to see somebody in there that's coming to the census.
I mean they say, I think some of the stuff
that this has evolved into his empire building at one
same much the same as a now core. No, I
don't I don't want to see sound like a measure
of loom and gloom all the time. But they're spending

(26:54):
a barrel of money they don't have, Like I say,
I says, roll over in the Grave didn't know what
the nonsense was going on, and you can do a
lot more cutting. As you probably know, we gave another
grant the year. I mean we taxpayers, you and I
are four hundred million to run that university and the

(27:16):
previous administrations in there now seventy million out that is,
try to get under way to fix some of the
tones that.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
The monels.

Speaker 12 (27:25):
Yes, I mean to say, yes, exactly, Yes, they can
cut a lot more in there. Like I said, in
my day, in their university was basically a degree granting.
You've got a degree like myself in engineering, and you
had one in education, you had one, you had medicine studies.
They are legally you couldn't do what I just think

(27:46):
you can do today. But what half the stuff they're
getting on with in there. Let's give you an example.
As far as I know, i've ever read correctly back
while back this, let me see how many.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
So you're just to be clear here, Morgan, you're you're
not You're not. You're not a big fan of the
Horror Center. You're okay with it being gotten away.

Speaker 12 (28:11):
Some of the stuff with the Harror Center was all
right as a started off. Yeah, I really like you
know like you guys think. I read there summer this morning,
like there's a democracy school connecting with students in Cape Town,
South Africa. That might be all right, but it might
be or like demographics looking at at vital science as

(28:31):
I started off, looking at the provinces. We don't have
the money for it, Anthony, that's all right to do.
As you know, we got to grant four hundred million
dollars each year. Now, mister Gray, he said a good
He summed it up in the way my thinking. He
was on your line yesterday, I think the day before.

(28:52):
He said that the closure definitely, not definitely doesn't affect
the lives of the province. That's an offset. I mean,
it's nice to do when you're sat down home at
night with a light on over your shoulder reading some
of this stuff. But to be the province funding that
when we don't have the money to do it, there's
a what's I'm trying to say. There's eighteen hundred I

(29:13):
think the fifteen to eighteen hundred profts at month. Now,
on my day a profts fload was and I think
it's the same today. It was four courses per semester,
two each term. That's what they teach generally half of
the prafts at month. And I know this. I'm talking
to some people I know in there teaching one course
and the rest of it is research. Now, I'm just

(29:38):
going to give you a list. I had a mind
the list, but I'm not going to do that for
the simple reason it's going to affect the students. That's
over the summer and last far. These students are out
doing research and this and that and another thing, and
off our start list them is going to demean them.
So not anybody wants to know what research is undergo
at mon Just gookuble website. Research projects presently undergo at month.

(30:00):
You won't believe it. We don't have the money. So
I was glad to see that happening today because and
then look at air Corps. I do refer to al Core.
I mean, as you heard, well, nil Core is gone,
noil Core is not gone, be absorbed every practically every
man and woman under Hydra.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Right, let's just the system.

Speaker 12 (30:22):
Let's yes, that's what on the Sunshine list. Every one
of them was making fifty percent to one hundred percent
of the equivalent within the core government right will maintain
that salary.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
So Morgan, we can't. We can't talk about every empire
building organization, but I want to. I want to come
back to Memorial University and a point you just raised. Yeah,
you you reference the fact that there are a number
of professors who teach a single course and they're doing research.
And I think the salaries of professors in the issue
of tenure has certainly come up as an area of examination,

(30:55):
but it's such a thorny one to deal with, and
I think most universities have a hard time dealing with
the their staffing costs are and so in the absence
of any serious attempts to sort of deal with the
pay structures, then things like the Harris Center become easier
to cut than to actually address who's getting paid a

(31:15):
lot of money for not actually teaching or doing I'm
gonna get a lot of trouble for this, but that's
the that's the essential reality, right. They have to cut somewhere.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
I know.

Speaker 12 (31:24):
That's what I'm trying to say. If we can do
what Look, we got money, yes, but look, Anthony, we're nineteen.
If you listen to Chivan and the government the budget there,
we're close to night. We're a little bit over nineteen billion. Okay,
And I tell you what now, I had a list
of stop but Dave told me at the beginning you're

(31:46):
only allowed. I forgot that you only allowed one call,
and I talked to you, and I'm going to go on,
let's okay, come on, but I'll say this, they come on.
Always give us the net deficit, which is nineteen billion.
Do you know what we're in the hole?

Speaker 6 (32:00):
Actually tell me.

Speaker 12 (32:02):
Forty nine billion? Forty nine let's say fifty billion dollars
for round numbers. Okay, we're in the whole fifty billion.
They gave us it. In other words, if you sold
the two hospitals we got in, all the schools in
the hospital and the Confederation buildings, you bring it down
to nineteen Now was that did? That's sounds really real
to you. Look, that's our assets.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, we'll always get lost in numbers.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Listen, even on this.

Speaker 12 (32:25):
Now we've got five roundred thousand people here for fifty
billion debt. That's one hundred thousand dollars for you, me
and everyone in New from Land.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
It's it's definitely well, let it go at that. It's
a meyer of debt. And Morgan I hope you have
a great weekend.

Speaker 12 (32:37):
Yeah, and you too, own a hope talk again sometimes.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Okay, all the best, all the best, Okay, Morgan, all right,
let's keep the calls going. Let's talk to Gavin will
online four. Good morning Gavin, Good morning Anne.

Speaker 6 (32:50):
Nice to hear, don't you hear your horse again?

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Good to have you on the show. How's it going.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
It's going well, Thank you very much. All right. I
was I listened to you on the radio this week.
It's almost as if you've done this before.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Now am I. I don't want to come across the
amazing Crescent And if you don't know who that is,
ask your parents. I'm assuming you want to talk about
something that's happening in Portrait Cove St Philip.

Speaker 13 (33:15):
I do well and well, actually yes, I'm in port
of Ghostinghillips and talk about something that's happening in the
region amongst the various towns including Tobe and all that
that's there's a there's a transit survey that that the
towns are put out kind of collectively m hm. And
I'm encouraging people to take the time to build it out,

(33:37):
even if you don't live in in in Torbay. Or
a port of glast at Phillips because transit is I
believe is one of the kind of the missing kind
of public assets.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
Uh in the in the region.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Transit, Yeah, there's transit is.

Speaker 13 (33:58):
I'm for a couple of different reasons. One, uh is
is that there people want to visit businesses and on
the trails and.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
Are in the community. Is the well you have to
take the car or or ride a bike.

Speaker 13 (34:15):
And some people are fine riding their bikes all the
way out and all the way all the way back,
but some people might like to put them on the
rack of a bus and drive, you know, and come
out here to experience uh, the wonderful coastline and businesses
like you know the Murrays for example, as the grounds,
cafe and all that and by the beach and everything.

(34:36):
So so that kind of economic development rationale for transit.
In addition that not everybody I actually have as a
car and I know this personally. I'm a I'm a
volunteer with the with the Saint Lawrence Church pantry. Effect

(34:58):
is my week I mtually making deliveries today.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
Av Yeah, it's it's it's real.

Speaker 13 (35:05):
It's if you want to know what's going on, in
your community, just volunteer for the local food bank, or
or in our port of Popes, uh you know case
the pantry there are there are a surprising number of
people who do not have vehicles. I know to what
one person I'm delivering to today, I know him and

(35:28):
he can no longer drive and he could he could
theoretically get to town if you could find someone to
take him.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Right, but so he doesn't have that. So, Gavin, the
gist of the proposal under consideration, and I've read a
little bit about this, is that there'd be a bus
that would go through what pcsp and somewhere in Saint
John's to sort of get people to be able to
explore the kill It coaster, to be part of the
beautiful area in which you I mean, what, what's the

(36:01):
gist of the idea here?

Speaker 13 (36:03):
Well, as far as I can tell, the it's it's
it's a joint initiative of the community. So it isn't
just Porticos and Phillips, so it's tor Bay and Yeah,
but they're basically looking at various options.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (36:13):
They they're gonna have a uh, you know, look at
a metro bus. Are they going to look at uh
as a separate bussing option that will.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
Link up with.

Speaker 13 (36:27):
With key areas in in uh In Saint John's such
as I'll give you an example in in in Markham, Ontario,
mark them uh is uh Is borders uh Toronto, but
they have their own uh bus service and but you
can but they.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
They do interlock, so they so they can work that way.
So it was the very they haven't made any decisions, they're.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Just looking at the But is the idea here for
kind of like like an express bus or is it
a bus that's going to do the milk run all
the way through the east end as it makes its
way to the far end Torbey, Pooch Cove. What's the
notion here, What's what's being considered?

Speaker 6 (37:06):
Yeah, yeah, so the the so there is an express
bush option that's been looked at.

Speaker 13 (37:11):
There's also kind of a on demand service. I know
this thing John's is you know, metro Bus is looking
at that as well, right, but that might be something
that is particularly appropriate for for rural areas, which is
what the Kellik Coast area basically is. So whereby you know,
you uh, you book a bus and it tells you

(37:35):
know that you'll be able to catch catch the bus
in your in your on your streets or at the
corner of the main street at such and such a time.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, well, I think, especially you know, as we're about
to welcome all these athletes and all that, I think
any kind of forward looking transit idea is something that's desirable.
I got to move to the break, but it's wonder
for people who are listening. Thing ahead, I'd like to
check out this. Uh where can people find out more?

Speaker 13 (37:59):
Well, well, you can go to the town of a
Posture Coast Phillips, the PCSP dot ca A and I
think the talent Torbet has has a link as well. Okay,
I know I've heard Craig Scott speak about that, So
just go to the to the website.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
I'll go to the Facebook page, okay for people, yep,
all right, well listen, Gavin, appreciate you call. I hope
you have a great weekend. Nice talking to you again,
you too, Thank you. All right, It's Kevin will in
cos Saint Phillips. We will be back on open line
right after this break. Welcome back to open line. Let's
move quickly now to Line one and the Independent MHA

(38:36):
for Mount Pearl Southlands. Paul Lane, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Well, good morning, Anthone. How are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I am very well, sir. Good to hear your voice again,
and you.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Too, sir, and may I say you've done a masterful
job this week.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Oh appreciate that. It's it's good to get back behind
the microphone. I know you are a regular. I've certainly
heard many of your conversations with Patty. So what's what's
on your mind this morning?

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Well, I wanted to talk about public safety and pleasing
and I guess, and I've spoken to Petty about a
number of iterations I guess of that subject in the past.
But I did hear my colleague Helen Conway Attenheim round
with you earlier this week, which is I guess what
kind of spurred my call this week. There's no doubt

(39:27):
in my mind that we need to increase policing in
this province and certainly in this region, certainly in my community.
I do want to preface that though, by saying that
I really believe we have well I'm sure we do have.
I know we have a very serious drug problem in

(39:50):
our province and certainly in this here and throughout the province.
I know that's spurring a lot of the you know,
criminal active these that we're seeing, and we're certainly getting
a lot of people constantly reporting issues around vehicles being
broken into, rumans through sheds, break into the houses. Every

(40:11):
time we turn on the radio teams. There's another standoff
here somewhere in the region with the air NZ, people
getting stabbed, shot, you name it. And I think a
lot of that has to do with drugs, and there's
no doubt about that. You know, there's no simple solution
to all these things in a very complex issue. I

(40:33):
think the addressing the social determinants of health are obviously
also related to this issue as well, because if we
can address I think poverty and we can address you
know how homelessness and those types of things, I think
that that will go a long way in solving some
of these issues. Obviously, in listening to Tina Alaviro and

(40:58):
I certainly support a lot of what she is saying,
and I will be at her rally on September the
eleventh around how we address the drug problem in our
province and you know, the issue with addictions and that
we need to have, you know, we need to have
the appropriate resources in place to deal with people so

(41:19):
that they can recover and that not only can we
get them clean, but they can stay clean as well.
But as we address all these issues and a lot
of the things that are contributing to the problem we have,
we also have to live in the here and now
and people need to feel safe in their communities. And
I think I heard Helen say that there was some

(41:42):
statistics that came out from Stats Canada and Newfoundland is
not doing very well in terms of its crime statistics.
I think we're one of the greatest increases in many
crimes in the country is happening here in Newfoundland Labrador especially.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
I'm not sure if you saw that, Paul, but I
mean part of it was the violent crime was up
I think two percent or two or three percentage points
over the decade, but it was down from last year.
But certainly property crimes, break ins and all the rest. No,
it was we were the worst in the country.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Yeah, that's absolutely And I think Helen also referenced the
fact that they had put in an a tip request
to I guess Department of Justice or whatever, and it
shows that policing resources are actually down and you know,
I know there are people, you know, all throughout Newfoundland
Labrador that are crying out for more air CMP. And

(42:38):
I certainly support the entire province when it comes to
that end for increasing air CMP, but certainly in my
area in Mount Pearl Southlands and for the whole region
for that matter, we need more Errantcy officers on the ground. Yes,
we had to a drop, we have to address all
the route causes that I already mentioned, but people still

(43:00):
need to feel safe in the meantime as we address
those issues, and we need the appropriate number of errancy officers,
certainly in this region on the ground to address that.
I've talked to contacts I have, you know, within the
errant Cy and Withinjustice, and you know, I'm told that
we remed at least five to six additional patrol units

(43:23):
on the ground every shift, So that would be twenty
to twenty four additional officers just for this region because
right now, for the most part, I'm told and in
most occasions, err and c are really only showing up
in a timmy manner to what they call priority one

(43:43):
cause emergency type calls, and for other calls you could
be waiting hours, you could be waiting a couple of
days and so on to actually get a response. So
this actually came up a number of I've attended a
couple of of crime crime mention meetings over the last
over the last while, and people trying to set up

(44:05):
neighborhood watch in my community. And what you hear from residents,
of course, is that you call, your call, you call,
and nobody shows up. And even the officers and people
that were there that were conducting the meeting sort of
acknowledged the fact that, you know, from a neighborhood watch,
from a crime prevention perspective, you should still call because

(44:27):
at least then we're recording the calls and then hopefully
you can get some additional attention. But the reality of
it is is that there aren't enough officers to respond
to these calls. And if people, you know, want to
have officers available, for example, that could be patrolling your
neighborhood in the nighttime. You know, everyone would like to
think that some point during the night there's going to

(44:49):
be an r n C car drive down the streets,
just keeping an eye out to make sure there's nobody
out going around, breaking in the cars, breaking into sheds,
all that type of stuff. Yeah, and establishing the resources
are simply not there to do it.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, and establishing a presence. This is Paul, I've only
got about a minute in a bit. But the other
aspect in this that a number of callers have raised
is and one caller I remember saying, you know, police
aren't social workers, and when it comes to the crimes
that a lot of communities and I certainly heard about
this draining the election campaign. Is the people who are
known to police seem to commit crimes and they're back

(45:22):
on the streets and they are known not just the police,
but to the people whose houses they break into. And
I wonder what your thoughts are on, you know, the
judges and all this. And I've only got about a minute.

Speaker 12 (45:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Well, I absolutely share that concern as well. And I
think I heard Helen, which you were speaking to you
talk about the need to look at I guess I'm
going to call it, for lack of a better term,
bail reform and so on. There's a lot of repeat
offenders of course, that they commit a crime, they go
in and they're automatically released. People call it catch and release,

(45:55):
and they're released on conditions and then they go out
and they preach the conditions, and then they're released again
and so on. It's like a revolving door. So I
think that there we have to be stricter when it
comes to these repeat offenders and uh and and in
terms of whether or not they can qualify for bail,
what conditions are going to be on their release, in

(46:15):
terms of having regular check ins with the police and
so on. And of course again you know, we also
need to again deal with the root cause because these people,
a lot of these people are doing it, you know,
because they have addictions and so on, and they'll do
anything for the fix. And I think I think that's
a big part as well. So all right, Paul, no

(46:37):
simple solution, but I am certainly calling for more errancy
in my area for sure.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Okay, message, thank you, Paul.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
And by the way, Anthony, gotta go.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
I'm sorry. That's that's okay, the MHA Pearl Southlands. It's
time for the news, welcome back. Just that situation I
mentioned earlier, there was an RCMP operation on the Trans
Canada Highway near the Fox Trap Access Road. Apparently that
has all been cleared up. So initially the police asking

(47:10):
people to stay away from that area. That has all
been cleared up, so back to normal. I'm Anthony Germaine,
sitting in for Patty Daily. The phone numbers to call
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six two six. Going to line two and Connie Pike

(47:32):
joins me. Now, good morning, Connie, Oh.

Speaker 14 (47:34):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Ask me.

Speaker 14 (47:36):
It's been a minute.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yes, I'm sorry that you had to wait, but I'm
pretty glad you're on the show.

Speaker 14 (47:40):
Oh, no worries, No worries. I'm kind of used to waiting.
That's the nature of the.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Program, right right, So what would you like to talk about?

Speaker 14 (47:48):
I want to Well, at first, I'd like to commend
you on your efforts in Tarra Nova. I really like
to see good people stepping up and offering themselves for
public service. And yeah, I think you would have made
an excellent impact in the province in terms of your

(48:11):
knowledge and your background, experience and so on ability.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
I appreciate things happen for a reason, Connie. So what's
on your mind? And thank you for that.

Speaker 14 (48:20):
Thank you. Well, I'm not sure if you're familiar, but
I've been calling Patty once a month for almost two
years now. Actually it'll be two years. The fifteenth of August.
I am with a community group called Miles for Smile.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Oh, yes, I've heard you.

Speaker 14 (48:43):
Yes, child youth prevention work. So I call Patty and
I give him the numbers that are on the court
docket for the previous months in all ten courts around
the province. So that's what I'm doing this morning, is
going to give you the court numbers for July months.
And again we're right up there in our average range.

(49:06):
There's three hundred and thirty eight cases listed on all
ten dockets for July, and seventy different people were charged
with those three hundred and thirty eight offenses. And this
has been our usual number, Anthony, and the numbers are

(49:29):
not going down, and I can tell that the trend
for August is much the same. So it's kind of discouraging.
And I always offer the caveat to remind people that
only about ten percent of cases are ever reported to
the police, and much less than that. Of our last number,

(49:51):
about two to three percent actually end up going to
the court. So when I say three hundred and thirty eight,
that's a small number relatively speaking.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
And in case people aren't clear the nature of the
cases that we're talking about, I know you can't get
too specific about it all, but.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Is what.

Speaker 14 (50:12):
Well, that's something that I really wanted to emphasize this morning,
actually the types of crimes. And to be honest, Anthony,
I don't see it going down, mainly because of social media,
but when I outline these types of charges, you'll probably
understand that. So we're seeing sexual assault of corpse, interference

(50:37):
with a child, invitation to sexual touching, displaying sexually explicit
material to a child, luring via computers, exposing gen organs
to children under sixteen and lawfully obtaining sex with children,

(50:58):
distribution of child porn, processing child porn, accessing child porn,
making child porn, sexual exploitation, corrupting a child, abduction of
children under sixteen, forcible confinement, incest, uttering, threats, beast reality

(51:19):
in the presence of a child, failing to provide the
necessities of life, abandoning children, and assault with weapons.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
It's a very type. Yeah, it's a very grim picture
and it's I mean, it's disheartening to say the least,
to hear that the numbers are kind of plateaued or
going up slightly. Just before I let you go, can
you just remind people why it is that you are
so committed to bringing this kind of data and shining
a spotlight on it, because I think, as you know,

(51:53):
people don't.

Speaker 14 (51:53):
Want to hear it often, No, they don't want to
hear it. And you know, on occasions when I have
presented it to community groups, which I'm very willing to
do anytime someone would like me to have to have,

(52:14):
you know, input into any training or anything like that,
I've told people particular stories about children who have been
harmed because of my policing background and incidents that I've
attended to, and people are shocked, And you know, I

(52:37):
don't think we should be shocked, but we have become
desensitized to these incidents and everything that I hear. You know,
Pauline was just on talking about property crimes being up
in touch and the police are under resourced, Anthony, and

(52:59):
you know, you're seeing home invasions, you're seeing sexual assaults,
you're seeing child of these cases, you're seeing homicides. These
types of cases are extremely extremely complex, multi layered, needing many,
many resources. And of course it's not hard to figure

(53:19):
out why property crimes are up when the police have
to deal with these extremes of crime.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Absolutely, And the.

Speaker 14 (53:27):
Last particular report that Mss Conway Ottenheimer talked about on
Tuesday on your show, the statistics of women in particular.
I wanted to highlight that because the latest Stats Canada
report said the largest increase noticed in Canada was in

(53:53):
the proportion of women who were being killed by a
spouse or a NINSMA partner and that rose from thirty
two percent of women victims in twenty twenty three to
forty two percent in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah, and you know, that was one of the most
shocking findings I think in that to see because you know,
with so much education and spotlight on how bad it's been,
and we've heard this before and that usually it's somebody
who they know, the attacker and all that I mean,
and I found that really really depressing to actually see
that that hasn't changed.

Speaker 14 (54:26):
Comes well, it just seems it just seems that you know,
women and children are being marginalized here. I can't imagine
these kinds of numbers and a perfectly blunt If men
were being killed at this rate by their partners, there
would have been action taken a long time ago. But

(54:49):
what I want to highlight, because of the work that
we're doing at Miles for Smiles in preventing crimes against children,
children become statistics. In these cases. We might think it's
happening to grown women, and we may have judgments about that, well,
they shouldn't have been there, they shouldn't have stayed, or

(55:11):
why didn't they report? All these judgmental statements that we make.
But in most of these cases, children are being you know,
affected by default, and actually pets are being affected. You'd
be amazed when I'm counting these court numbers each month,

(55:32):
you'd be amazed the number of times I see unlawfully
causing an animal unnecessary suffering. And it's because, you know,
the family members, if a woman is being abused, the
family members, children.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
The fur ladies we'll call them pets.

Speaker 14 (55:50):
Everybody is affected these crimes.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
And it's very very sad.

Speaker 14 (55:57):
You know, we really are not doing enough, again, partially
because the police are underresourced, partially because people aren't taking
it seriously, just because we're not doing enough prevention work.
We have a major problem in our community that has

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the numbers have not changed in decades.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
No, and you've made it. You've made it quite clear.
Conn I got to move things along. But it's horrible
to hear, but important to hear. And I'm glad you're
still shining a spotlight on his Connie, thank you very much.
Thank you, Anthony, Connie Pike miles for smiles. We'll be
back right after the break. Okay, Now let's go to
Charlene on lawn five, line five. Hello Charlene, Hi there,

(56:43):
how are you? I'm very well, Welcome to the program.
What would you like to discuss?

Speaker 3 (56:48):
I want to discuss how my husband and I have
been trying to get his file at workplace now corrected
for multiple years now. There is a lot of mistakes,
a lot of inaccuracy. There's been no calculations to close

(57:09):
his claim. They've used time and they've used medical information
instead of using dollar amount to discontinue his compensation. They
have claimed that it's a municipal tear when it's an

(57:31):
ACL tear and that was proven after his augustift, twenty
nineteen reoccurrence. Prior to that, the MYSCAL tear was just
a guest by a physiotherapist in Cornerbrook, Newfoundland. And then

(57:52):
after the Augustis, twenty nineteen reoccurrence, it was actually proven
by MRI that it was an ACL tear. There was
no meniscal tear at all.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
So I just want to be cleary. Can you just
explain the distinction between the two so a listener can
understand what we're talking about here.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Well, the meniscus and the ASL are ligaments in your knee,
and he has a right knee injury, and that injury
is an ACL partial tear. It causes instability and an

(58:29):
altered gate that is permanent. He has lost his power
engineering career over this. He has a permanent loss of
earning capacity. They have denied him his estimated loss of
earning capacity based on this since August A sorry, since

(58:50):
September to twenty seventh of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
So has workplace in al sort of been explicit with
you as to why they've taken us away.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Actually Workplace and L is not in contact with us
at all anymore. They have consistently refused to.

Speaker 11 (59:15):
You know, have.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
To even acknowledge that these inaccuracies and mistakes and everything
else even exists.

Speaker 15 (59:26):
They are.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
When we send in requests for answers, they send back
a letter stating that they've already like answered it and
they have nothing else to add. We have sent in
an email that said we only want yes or no answers,
and we've received a letter back stating that they already

(59:50):
answered the the letter, which they didn't because we have
absolutely nothing on our files that answer only yes or
no and legis to support it, and all we have
is this letter that says they've already addressed it and
that they have nothing else to provide. And that is
very unprofessional answering to a question or emails with yes

(01:00:18):
or no questions on it. Right, you have to be
professional and you have to just answer yes or no
if you are given a question that deserves a yes
or no only answer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah, I guess they can sort of choose how they
want to answer, whether they want to sort of go
down the road of being told they can only answer
something yes or no in a complicated case. But I
hear what you're saying. Have you have you I know
nobody wants to pay for.

Speaker 15 (01:00:41):
A law story, but do you mean to tell me
that as a professional, it is acceptable for me to
say no, I'm not answering yes or no question.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Absolutely not really.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
That's professional.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Absolute no. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying
that in some ways like to me, no, no, no, no.
What I'm saying is that they's particularly in the eyes
of a government department, the default to me is going
to be we want to Usually we're going to give
you a very long explanation that's not always easy to understand. Listen,
what I'm going to do is I'm going to ask
if there's anybody in the legal profession who's listening to

(01:01:22):
what Shirlene is saying, if you want to give us
a call, perhaps you can give us some advice as
to what kind of course of action, because it sounds
to me that you are in a dispute that has
basically come to a dead end with workplace and l
unless I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Well, the interesting part about that is underneath the Act itself,
it states on their Section seven to B that the
Act has the intent to serve injured workers and they're dependents,
and underneath section.

Speaker 8 (01:01:51):
To see it says that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
It has to be done using sound financial management, so
that means that any lawyer who is employed and paid
by the Injury Fon has to directly serve injured workers
in their dependents. So even if we went to court,
underneath that Act Workplace and l if they are using

(01:02:18):
the injury pond to pay their lawyers, they are not
legally allowed to do so. I underneath those sections of
the Act, I see, so underneath the Act, they would
not want me to be in court because that is
the first thing that I would state to them, and
their lawyers would have to cross over and.

Speaker 9 (01:02:38):
Serve my husband.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Right, Okay, Well listen, Charlene. I hope somebody who understands
these matters in greater detail will get in touch with me,
and if they do, I'll try to put them in
touch with you. But I appreciate the call, and I
wish you and your husband better luck than you seem
to have had. A Thanks for calling.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
I do want to say one more thing, sure quickly.
All of this is on my social media page pages
Charlene Blake on Facebook, Charlene Cacat on TikTok. Also I
have YouTube videos and I'm on platform X. All right,

(01:03:14):
you guys want to see any of that? Started a
petition today as well said I support injured worker Dustin Blake.
So I would really appreciate anyone who's supporting us right
now to go search for that petition and sign it. Listening,

(01:03:36):
and you know, it's we really need injured workers to
have more support. We have absolutely none from anywhere, and
I reached out to basically everyone, and it's not actually
a law issue ever anywhere. When you have mistakes on

(01:03:57):
a spot, I got to move.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Things along, Charlie. I really appreciate you calling, but I've
really got to get things going. Thanks all for calling.
We'll be back right after the break. All right, you're
listening to open line. I'm filling in for Patty Daily
him Anthony. Jermaine's good to be here again Monday, Tuesday, Wednesdays.
I can't believe it's already Friday. Going to go to
line three and the leader of the NDPMHA for Saint

(01:04:22):
John's Center, Jim Dint, joins me.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Now, good morning, good morning, Thanks for having me on, Anthony.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Absolutely, what do you want to discuss?

Speaker 16 (01:04:30):
Well, I've been looking at reading the reports of I
think when you look at the salmon die off on
the South coast and Hermitage Baying. I think between Maui
and Cocona agriculture, we're probably looking at over eighty thousand
fish that have died during July, and I guess I'm
looking at shades of twenty nineteen all over again. I

(01:04:52):
can not mind doing not quite as many, but still
a significant number of fish. And I'm thinking at this
stage it's you know, the condition at warm water, that
warming temperatures, sea lace and so and so. We're all
mentioned they're in the mechanical issues of transferring fish. I
think it's time really to have that serious conversation about

(01:05:12):
looking at some form of close containment versus the open
seapan agriculture, either land based or the technology that's sort
of making its way into the feel now, the sort
of the floating doughnuts, which would go far to solve
a lot of these problems and hopefully prevent a lot
of these dieouts. But there seems to be resistance to that,

(01:05:33):
combined with the fact that also we have on this
health coast a group of residents of Urdu in the
area looking to have a national Marine Protected Area declared.
So I think now is the time to start looking
at a better way of doing agriculture instead of instead

(01:05:55):
of what we're seeing this problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
I know, for a while gymmed in many people start saying,
we you know, we support aquaculture, but not open pen
open at pen per se. I think the industry still
maintains that the margins for land based particularly in Newfoundland,
which would then require transportation of the product to the

(01:06:18):
Eastern seaboard, that the economics just don't work. As you
well know, a lot of these communities on the South
coast they say that, you know, aquacultures basically transform them
and throwing them a lifeline. It's a complicated issue.

Speaker 16 (01:06:31):
Well, it's an interesting thing here with regards to where
I guess location or or relation to markets. I would
say that's true for any any of our fish products.
And that's it's also true I guess for when it
comes to shipping wind energy, you know, like a you know,

(01:06:53):
the the hydrogen window hydrogen on the West coast. Yet
we seem to be and those situations were willing to
invest in it. So I'm I'm thinking here in a
if you look at an investment in that, we can
we can sort of like evalue added. It's the value
added a product something that that's certainly a lot more sustainable. Uh,

(01:07:15):
something that I think could be use used as a
marketing technique to show that, look, this is a very ethical,
a very sustainable, very environmentally friendly approach to it. The
other part to it, and I really believe this comes
down to, you know, when I brought this up in
the House of Assembly in the estimates meeting, like the

(01:07:35):
use of the floating doughnut as the technology, why not
look at having using that but also looking at manufacturing
these uh, the these products here or the these this
technology here in New Plan laborator. We do have the
bull arm site. How much would it be to convert
to to like you're creating the I guess, the design,

(01:07:58):
the infrastructure, they construction, You're you're actually i would say,
adding more value, more value to the economy. So it's
not about ending the aquaculture industry. It's about transforming it
into something that's more sustainable. Because, as I mean, when
I'm listening to eighty thousand plus fish dying, that's the
serious that's that's not just business that there's a serious

(01:08:20):
problem here. The other part of it is the impact
on wild wild Atlantic salmon. It's another stressor on their
on their well being, as well as the impact on
the other forms of the wild, theysh harvesting, whether it's
you know they talk the benthic habitat, the damage to
the sea floor, to other two other two other species.

(01:08:43):
And then we have on top of that, if you've
seen the the video the film by the Atlantic Salmon
Federation Rock Plastic Salmon, you can see here that in
many ways that a lot of these the the aquaculture
companies are not what I would call being good stewards

(01:09:04):
and leaving their well the trust see pens, the debris
and everything in bays out of sight, out of mind.
But we do have people who are living in the
area who have taken upon themselves to draw attention to this.
So from my point of view, and I would say
those who are like deeply concerned with the industry and

(01:09:26):
with the conservation that let's start looking at let's start
looking at transforming this industry into something else. It's not
by accident as well that a lot of these companies
are coming here because regulations in Norway are becoming more stringent,
and also the licenses for these agriculture sites are a

(01:09:47):
lot more expensive. They're than they are here and their
guests are charging the full what really the value of
what it would be to set up an industry in
their country. We should be doing the same here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Yeah, And as Washington State and other jurisdictions have pushed
some of these operations out there looking for other places
where they can do business.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:10:09):
Well the other thing too with this, and I'll go
back to twenty twenty three when we were debating the
Act respecting the Irregulation of Agriculture and the Province in
twenty twenty three, what was bothersome about that to me
is that they removed Article nine from the old regulations,
which basically required the Register to keep records of licenses

(01:10:30):
leases for agriculture sites open to public infection. That's been removed,
so really there is no requirement there anymore. The response
to my question at the time as well, they can
fall native. So it seems in many ways even the
new Aquaculture Act has become a little bit more opaque

(01:10:53):
and less transparent in regulating who's got what lease and
where and so on and so forth. I think, for
you know, when I'm looking at this twenty nineteen two
point six million die off and now here we are
in twenty twenty five and we're still seeing the same
sort of a massive die off and the same factors

(01:11:16):
at play, and those problems haven't gone away. But I
do believe there's a cost to that. I do believe
though that if you make this more sustainable, it's a
value added product. Okay, still still a good product, and
I'll leave it at that, all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Right, Jim didnn appreciate the call, Thank you very much,
take care of so much. That's Jim Dinn, the leader
of the n DPMHA for Saint John Center. Now that
that die off that mister didn't mention, of course, was
more than two million that was basically wiped out MUI's production.
The one we're talking about now, I think moy says
is ten percent, So it's it's not nothing, but just

(01:11:50):
to keep figures still, you're talking tens of thousands of
dead salmon that have been cleaned up. If you want
a weigh in on that, by all means, give us
a call. Two seven three five two one one Here
in St. John's tool for you one triple eight five
nine zero eight six two six. Let's go to line
four before we get to the break. Frank Good morning.
You're on the air.

Speaker 7 (01:12:10):
Good morning, thanks for taking my call pleasure. I I
just give you a quick update on why I'm calling.
I'm a first time caller and I'm calling on behalf
of my son. But he lost his job with COVID
after being twenty years in an environmental lab and then
spend a couple of years trying to come up with work.

(01:12:31):
And then he got with the federal government. And after
he got the twelve month contract with the federal government,
he was requested to get the booster shot for COVID.
He got the COVID shot on January, the end of January,
i'll say, of that year, and by April the first,
the family doctor called him and told him that we
got to get you in this weekend to get you

(01:12:53):
on dialysis. Your two kidneys have failed. Oh no, And
of course, like she was concerned because she said, you
didn't have kidney problems before. But anyway, he ended up
on dialysis three times a week. We fought like anything
to try and get the disability from the federal government
for his pay. They finally, after six or eight months,

(01:13:13):
they gave him that, but they cut off his benefits,
no benefits, and of course he's on Canada pension disability.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Nolery, right.

Speaker 7 (01:13:21):
But my concern is is that the government stated that
they were coming out with a program vaccine injury program
where they were going to be compensating people who were
injured by this vaccine. And I realized the vaccine came
out sudden to assist I suppose in a very quick nature,
you know, to assist people or complicated during that time,

(01:13:43):
you know. But with my son, I'm looking at his
family doctor got him to apply for this vaccine program
so to see if he would get conversations. Past year
and a half, this caseworker has been going back and
forth with them, saying that they're still under review and
the government, from what I got of, the federal government

(01:14:04):
put in fifty million dollars or something into this program. Right,
they turned around and he got a call and he
say he called back, and this caseworker never called him
back again. So when they called again or contact them
true email, they said we're going to assign you a
new caseworker to go on this situation. This caseworker called

(01:14:28):
him back very shortly after and said, I'm sorry, but
you don't qualify for any conversation on this program, and
that was the end of the conversation. And I suppose
my question is the Vaccine Injury program was to assist
somebody that was injured or sustained something from this vaccine.

(01:14:50):
And if my son who lost these kidneys and is
now on the analysis three times a week, and he's
got a young family, and it's very demanding, and these
world has been turned upside down, and then there's the
government saying we're going to commensate people or were affected
by this right and now all of a sudden they're
leaving them out in the open. So I suppose I'm wondering,

(01:15:11):
do we have to go to a lawyer now to
get anything of this, or is there anything there's no
class action suit or anything on to goal with this,
or or have anybody received any money from this?

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
You know, Well, first of all, I have to say this,
you know, it's a horrible story, and I'm really sorry
that your that your son has gone through this, but
he's he's fortunate to have a dad who has decided
to become his advocate. This seems to become one of
the themes this week has been the importance of actually
being your own advocate. To me, if everything is exactly
as you say, your son sounds like the exact kind
of person that this policy was actually designed for. Is

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there has there been any question raised as to whether
or not his kidney troubles are links to the vaccine
or not. Is that just a given from the from
the family doctor who had him come in in April?

Speaker 7 (01:15:55):
Well, I think the family doctor was the one who
initiate the fact of saying, basically, your kidneys are gone
and we don't know why. You know, she sent them
to a specialist, and he was seeing that specialist and
they were doing tests and everything else to try and
find out what happened to his kidneys.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Yeah, but at the.

Speaker 7 (01:16:13):
Time they got all these tests done, and as we
know with during COVID, trying to get tests and trying
to get everything else. But anyway, I mean by the
time he got all this done, these kidneys were gone.
And I remember my son saying to even the specialist,
you know, like, could this vaccine have caused that? And
of course, not looking at the doctor, I understand their

(01:16:36):
position too, I mean like they said it could have Yeah,
it's a new vaccine and it wasn't into a long
I suppose program of checking it out. But and I
understand all that stuff, you know, I mean, we were
in a dire straits to get something going, you know,
someone suffers like my son somewhere along the line. I

(01:16:58):
kind of felt good when they said, well they were,
and I have a vaccine injury program to commensate these.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Your clock going off reminds me that I've got to
move things off to the break. But I will say this,
who's your who's your Member of parliament? Who's your MP?

Speaker 7 (01:17:10):
Do you know something, Anthony. I've contacted the MP, I've
contacted the m h A, and I couldn't get off
first base. Well I would, I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Yeah, I would be really persistent with that because your MP,
you know, his his or her office their office. Really
this is given. Is the federal compensation program right for
the vaccine. It's not a provincial one, that's right.

Speaker 7 (01:17:32):
Yeah, I mean that to me there, And they wouldn't
even even entertain talking to me because they said it
was to deal with the federal government and the insurance
companies or whatever.

Speaker 17 (01:17:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
I can see the I can see the m AHA's
office saying that, but the constituency you know, the writing
assistant in the MP's office should definitely be returning your
calls on this. And I would, you know, I would.
I would call them every day until they get so
irritated they've got to take your call. I mean, it's
that's what. That's a members of.

Speaker 7 (01:17:58):
This has been going on for a couple of year,
and it seems like there is the only end to
it is to a lawyer, you know. And then I
said that costs more money, you know, and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
And yeah, although the consult consultation with a lawyer might
not be a bad idea because because at least then
you'd be looking at, you know, what you have. But
I'm sure the lawyer will tell you listen, you got
to You've got to exhaust the other avenues. First, I'm
really sorry that your that your son is going through this, Frank,
and I wish you the best of luck and I
hope you'll you'll keep Patty updated with whatever progress you
make or not. Thanks, thanks for your calling and good luck.

Speaker 7 (01:18:31):
Okay, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
All right, Well, the story sounds exact policy that somebody
you know that you should qualify for, at least in
terms of what Frank had to share here. Listen to
open line back after the break. Welcome back. Let's go
to Mary'stown where Sam Senior joins me now on the line, Sam, good.

Speaker 11 (01:18:52):
Morning, by good morning Anthony.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
How are you doing very well, sir? Good to hear
your voice again.

Speaker 11 (01:18:57):
Nice to talk to you again as well. I wanted
to call it been some traction on your show this week,
and Petty showed the last number of weeks from residents
in this area concerning the lack of work at the
shipyard and at the cow Head site. And I guess see,
the local regional economy has never been weaker in many ways.
There's no work at eater side, really, and so I

(01:19:17):
just want to aid my voice to it. And there's
all kinds of twists and turns here when people call in.
Of course they're concerned about the lack of employment, and
one of those to the fiber upic community, and rightly so.

Speaker 10 (01:19:29):
But there's other twists here as well.

Speaker 11 (01:19:30):
There's an interesting story now on CBC that you might
have come across CBC Radio Television. The Canada Infrastructure Bank
Federal basically Quasi Crown Corporation and an independent quasie Crown
and organization recently, I mean recently only a month ago,
provided a one billion dollar loan guarantee to the BC

(01:19:53):
Ferries to build four new vessels and they're comparable to
the vessels that go across the straight here of course
from New Plant to Nova Scotia. But the twist is
the vessels that are going to be built in China.
So there's quite a debate raging now in British Columbia
and it's also going to be looked at an out
of wall and I guess committee structure meetings about should

(01:20:14):
we be using federal institutions, Canadian institutions, ie in this
case to Canada Infrastructure Bank, to fund projects that are
being built in other countries and in this case may
being worse built in China, which we have some concerns
with espionage, technology, privacy issues and so on. So this

(01:20:34):
is another twist to this conversation that people had with
you today this week. But yeah, they should be working.

Speaker 18 (01:20:39):
In the Maria senship there, should be working at Calas.
Terrible does not work, we can.

Speaker 11 (01:20:43):
All say that, but can be found in innovative ways
to look at what's out there supporting industry in Canada
and the Canada Infrastructure Bank has almost seventeen billion dollars
in fonds that are trying to disperse to industry across
the country. I think this is the first time that
they've actually part of the project where the project itself
will not be built in Canada but rather in China.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Well, I have no doubt that's going to get a
lot of scrutiny and Carneie and company will take a
fair bit of heat over that. I don't know the
specifics of BC and what kind of vessels they want,
but in terms of you know, trying to maximize whatever
potential there is with this Infrastructure Bank for Mary's Town
in your area based the Buream Peninsula, what capacity would

(01:21:27):
the shipyards offer in terms of what the Karney said
that they want to increase defense spending. Are their smaller
vessels or components That might be something that Mary's Time
can get involved with. I don't know, in conjunction with
the irvings and Halifax or what are you thinking?

Speaker 11 (01:21:42):
Well, no, I think I think you have to build capacity.
So the question is what comes first, you know, So
do you build capacity named contracts? Do you get contracts
and build capacity that's been an angel discussion in the
ship to build an industry and the ship.

Speaker 19 (01:21:54):
You know, the whole for decades.

Speaker 11 (01:21:56):
Yes, But the question here is that to BC theories,
which is a privately one called plan by the way,
it's not a Crown.

Speaker 18 (01:22:01):
Corporation on what Marina Landing, which is the Crown Corporation.

Speaker 11 (01:22:04):
So BC Ferries people are saying, we had to go
to China to get the vessels built because we have
no capacity in Canada. And so right now sea Span,
the major shipbuilder on the west coast of the country
in British Columbia, is tied up with the navy projects
fast come across the country to Halifax. Halifax is tied up.

Speaker 18 (01:22:23):
With the ship building Navy contracts as well. So I
sort of it opens the door now for everybody.

Speaker 11 (01:22:28):
Private industry, even government contracts to say, oh, we can't
build anything in Canada anymore because we don't have capacity.
So right now we're sort of blocked on the west
coast by sea Span with their work for the federal
government East Coast Serbians. But there's hundreds and hundreds of
vessels record in this country every single year, and so
if we put our hands in the air and we're

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head in the sand. We'll never have any capacity.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Yeah, it's interesting because I just called up with the
story acts I basically skimmed it. Now I'm taking a
better look while while we're talking, I guess this is
not a done deal, right, the Transport Committee is taking
a look at this. Is this is your sense that
this is going to happen or what? Do you think?

Speaker 11 (01:23:08):
This was a done deal?

Speaker 5 (01:23:09):
Completely a done deal.

Speaker 11 (01:23:10):
It was actually advertised on Canada Infrastructure's bank website saying, oh,
please be advised, we are providing a billion dollar loan
guarantees of the BC Ferries and the identify where the
money was going to go. So much for infrastructure seven
hundred and eighty million dollars a day. The loan was
going to go to building four larger vessels in China. Yeah,
so they were they were quite out there. There's no

(01:23:31):
way they can say, oh, this is not a done deal.
When you put it on your website and you need
to take credit for it, you're sort of your in
your mind, is a done deal. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
And it's interesting on the federal scene because there's been
so much change of late that the minute the Infrastructure
Minister is actually Grigor Robertson, and well, you've been involved
in the municipal politics. I think even the mayor of
Vancouver I can't. I can't imagine this is going over
terribly well on the West coast. But I'm trying to
think what would happen here if we said we were
going to get a loan from the federal government to
commission ferries to be built in the province. But oh no,

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we're going to have these fairies built in China. Mind you,
we have had fairies built in other places here when
it doesn't be China, to be Romania or other places.
So I guess that's to do with the actual size
of the vessel in shipyard capacity. But getting back to
what matters to you in Mary'stown, what would you like
to see happen?

Speaker 18 (01:24:15):
Well, I think we got to put our heads together
and come up with some capacity.

Speaker 11 (01:24:18):
And if if there's a billion dollar loan out there
that says we're going to put almost three hundred billion
a million of that into creating infrastructure and the rest
will go towards ship building, then there's obviously a need
in this country for another ship billion footprint. Obviously, if
you look at C span in British Columbia. You look
at the Urbian shipyards in Halifax, if that's the only

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capacity we have, So there's some capacity in in Quebec
as well, the Navy shipyard, but other than that, So
it's obvious going forward we need more capacity and we
need government support to build capacity because government jobs like
government's position. As you would know, and I know most
of your listeners would know, government doesn't create industry per se.
They shouldn't be created an industry probably, but government should

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be setting the environment so the industry can work.

Speaker 18 (01:25:05):
Right, So it's all be regulation. So if the regulation
is to BC Ferries for.

Speaker 11 (01:25:09):
Example, yes, true, the Canada Canada Infrastructure Bank, we will
provide you with a billion dollar loan and we'll think
that's a wonderful thing, on the condition that the ships
be building Canada.

Speaker 10 (01:25:20):
Because today today's August.

Speaker 11 (01:25:22):
First, CNN Today, Fox News Today, the only story in
CNN today is the tariffs. Yeah, so as walls go
up around the world, unfortunately, like walls go up, and
the walls have gone up big time since Mster Trump
came back into power only a number of months ago.

Speaker 18 (01:25:38):
So we haven't put our We had to put our
walls up as well.

Speaker 11 (01:25:41):
And so if our walls means building walls around the
ship building industry, that's what we.

Speaker 5 (01:25:45):
Need to do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Well, I noticed we live in a world.

Speaker 18 (01:25:47):
Anymore, but there's no there's no walls. The walls going
up everywhere, no.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
No question. I know someone of Carney's first first reactions
to when Trump came in with thirty five percent last
night was to say that he's going to focus on
getting Canadians putting them to work, and maybe that maybe
shipyards are part of that solution.

Speaker 18 (01:26:03):
Well, it's a huge it's a huge industry.

Speaker 11 (01:26:05):
Ship building has always been a huge industry, and we
built ships and mary Sounds since the mid sixties. Actually
did a letter part of the sixties all Cadillact vessels
and the ones that you referenced a moment ago they
were building Romania. I was active at at time and
different things. And the ones that were built overseas in
Romania at the Damon shipyards were nightmares.

Speaker 18 (01:26:24):
They're still nightmares. They don't work.

Speaker 11 (01:26:26):
The ships that were building in Marystown, newferent Land are
still chugging along some.

Speaker 18 (01:26:29):
Fifty years later.

Speaker 11 (01:26:30):
You know, we build, we do great work here, but
you need government regulations and government policy support work.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Yeah, and I think mha is and MPs of all
stripes need to need to listen to what you're saying
and get their hands up for the Infrastructure Bank and
get Mark Karne to put people to work. Listen, Sam,
I got to get to the news. But it's really
good to hear from you. As always, I wish you
the best. Hope you have a great weekend.

Speaker 10 (01:26:50):
Hey for sneaking one more, quit comment very quick.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
You got ten seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
Okay.

Speaker 11 (01:26:54):
Earlier the week you referenced that the people involved in
the ten of the Summer Games we're not going to
get uniforms and so on and so forth.

Speaker 10 (01:27:00):
I chared the two got to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Go for the news, Sam got take hoh, it's time
for the news. Follow checks. Okay.

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Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Okay, the final hour of the show for this Friday,
the very first day of August. Here we are in July,
gone September, only a month away be back to school
time before you know it. In fact, I know already
speaking with Russell Bowers, lots of plans activities for that
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i get my mind around that, as I'm sure a
lot of teachers are doing. I'll give out the phone

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numbers one more time here in Saint John seven zero
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eight five nine zero eight six to six. Going to
go to line five. Sean, Good morning, you're on the air.

Speaker 6 (01:28:05):
Good morning, Anthony. How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
I am fantastic you really good.

Speaker 9 (01:28:10):
Thanks.

Speaker 6 (01:28:10):
That's beautiful summer starting in the first of May and
is still going strong. Amazing summer.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Excellent. Now, what do you want to talk about?

Speaker 6 (01:28:18):
Salmon? Well, first of all, I'm sorry you probably didn't
didn't enjoy the salmon fishing this year because there's not
much going on with the rivers so warm.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
I actually had probably one of the best years of
my life. Really, yes, yes, I made it to the
pin where and fortunately there were some the two local
guys who were very helpful and it was fantastic. So
I don't want to brag, so I'll just leave it
at that.

Speaker 6 (01:28:42):
But uh, you know what, big and the big horse
flies didn't eat your live.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
That's the flies. That's that's the whole other story. All
of the legends are true. They were awful, Yeah, terrible.

Speaker 6 (01:28:52):
I take my father up there. We went up there
twice and that was all tough enough. We'll go back
on the other rivers alone and others.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
You have to suffer to find the fish, though, you do,
you do? Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:29:05):
Look first of all, to that tractor trailer guy with
a big long trailer on the end that pulled out
from the irving and whitburn. You almost wiped out three
or four cars who had to make a base of
maneuvers and slam on their brakes not to get all
in the middle of a big crash there. And I
was in the middle that I.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Couldn't believe with when that happened.

Speaker 6 (01:29:23):
Just now then I'm pulled in on the side of
the road. The guy doesn't even have any markings on
the big white long trailer. There's no markings on the
red red tractor.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Trailer he's driving on your goobies.

Speaker 6 (01:29:37):
No, No, this is a whitburnrible spot to places is
on wheels this morning, pardon the pond. And there's so
many tourists and people coming in and out of the
irving there and people coming down into the irving crossing
the Argentia turn off to the to Argentia and they
were coming down maybe seventy or eighty karmeters an hour.

(01:29:58):
Didn't realize that this guy he was going to pull out.
He just both took us all out.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
It was just awful.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Well, I'm glad you're on the line that no one
was hurt, even if the guy was a bit of adult.
What do you want to talk about, Well.

Speaker 6 (01:30:10):
There's two things. Number one, I've had some fabulous gifts
here in the last week for a couple of days,
and I had to warn them of a few things
and they got here and I shouldn't be doing this.
We should have it out there for the tourists that
are coming here. So everyone out there has got family
members coming home, haven't been home in a long time,
but they aren't driving our highways.

Speaker 14 (01:30:29):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:30:30):
We don't have signs out there to say scan twenty
four to seven per moose and have the biggest moose.
You remember the moose we used to have as you
entered in Taranova National Park and everyone thought it was real. Well,
we need that back on the highways again because we
just lost a beautiful nineteen year old young man just
a few weeks ago, and there have been two more

(01:30:50):
really bad accidents, young people in them since then. I
don't know how they're doing, but my heart goes out
to their families and their friends. You know, like we
don't think think about moose in the daytime it's such
a nice day, we don't think or evenings, we don't
think about them in the evening's anthony. But you just
spent better part of a couple of months out there,
going all over the Trans Canada highways and every byeway

(01:31:11):
down there running for year election. Bid and congratulations by
the way, but lots of great people out there didn't
make it the first time. As close as you came.
I would personally love to see you in the parliaments.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
I appreciate it. I mean I saw, actually I saw
three moose in the first two days of the camp,
actually mostly one one near Placentia, the other two on
the on the Bureau Highway. But the lack of signs.
You know, it's funny you mentioned those moose signs. I
remember first seeing those, I don't know, thirty years ago
or so. They scared me and I, you know, I'm
want to like I tried not to drive at night ever,

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but I remember the first time the headlights hit that.
I think it certainly got my attention and I slowed down.

Speaker 6 (01:31:56):
We need attention out there in a lot of ways.
Just let me give you another one.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
And that's a big one.

Speaker 6 (01:32:01):
That's that's probably one of the biggest once we injure
anyone because of silly and moose accidents like that. Yeah,
it's it's a lifetime thing. You're always battling that health issue,
even if you're just scared to death or you've got
the biggest thread of your life and you're afraid to
get on the highway and go to work, even you know,
it's a really bad thing. But the other one was
I brought them down to the beautiful Middle Colve, Outer

(01:32:23):
col area and Tor Bay area as well. And when
we went down the Middle Cove and there are a
whole bunch of kids playing down there late in the evening.
Those stills till daylight, and I said to my friends
and said, you know, like there's all the all the
things on that sign that we should be aware of,
you know, and it didn't have the road waves. Now,

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you remember when we lost a couple of Coast Guard
people who's rescue craft trying to save a couple of
the of people that were on their or a scuba diver. Well,
they didn't have scuba diving equipment on. They just they
were skimming. I guess they call it going and going
out and just playing around down there. And there's a big,
big undertow there, and when a big road wave comes in,

(01:33:06):
you know, the chances of you grabbing on to your
kids when they're on the other side of the beach
maybe fifteen meters away, and trying to get to them,
and you don't even realize it's happening because there's no warning.
You know, maybe we need a warning, some kind of
an alarm or something that'll let them know that it's coming,
and probably from fisheries notions, maybe to put some.

Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
Kind of tech.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Well, the problem, you know, that's the problem, right because
rogue waves are called rogue for a reason. I'm actually
related to someone who's swept out to see a middle
COVID I think pretty terrifying. But yeah, I think, aren't
there are signs there the warning people a bit like
a cape spear too, aren't there?

Speaker 5 (01:33:41):
I didn't see them, And there's definitely not one at
Middle Call because we.

Speaker 6 (01:33:44):
Look for it, and if you got to look forward
to sign, is so good?

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Fair enough. I just think I thought there was a
sign right at the entrance there before you go down
the wooden step out of the sand, but I could
be wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:33:54):
No, there's no sign there for that. It just has
a whole list of other things that are there as
important as a road way with my and my books.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
All right, But you're right, people, there needs to be
signs for mosse and for rogue waves. You're correct. I
want to move things along. But do you have something
else you want to add quickly?

Speaker 6 (01:34:09):
Yeah? One last thing is this is really really important.
We've got upwards of ten or fifteen thousand people going
to be around here for the next three or four
weeks with the with the Canada Games going on, but
we always have a lot of people coming here. And
the first place to go is downtown, go down to
George Street and all that and of course the festivals
on this week all week, you know, Like I had
to warn my friends to look because they came out

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on one of the cruise ships, right, and I said, look,
whatever you do, you got to watch your back. This
is a very dangerous area at night because a lot
of people out on bail and out on bond usually.
Got to watch your back and don't be able to
pass eleven or twelve because you know, you're really it's
just not safe down there. I shouldn't have to do that.
I shouldn't have to do it. We should have beat
cops down on the beat. You know, two together at

(01:34:55):
least they have protection between them, and we should have
them on the street. You don't see the stelf driving
buying cars and you're much activity out there fair enough
if you're on the Yeah, I suspect with that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
You know, the kind of crowds we're going to have,
there will be a police presence of some kind. But
now it's just just common sense. Whenever you've got large crowds, uh,
there will be crimes of opportunity will be pursued. So
it's those those are good heads up. Sean appreciate that.
Good to hear from you take it.

Speaker 6 (01:35:18):
Easy, last word, last word. They told me they would
never have thought of it in Saint John's. It's such
a fabulous place and never even think about it. In
other cities they would, but not in Saint John's.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Okay, very good, sir, have a great day.

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
Okay, take care of yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:35:31):
Good hearing your boys.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
All right. Nice talking to you, Sean. Okay, so some
mornings there about what may or may not happen. I'm
going to try to get one call er in before
we get to the break. Let's go to line three. Jeff,
good morning, you're on the air. Hey, good morning, Anthony.

Speaker 10 (01:35:47):
I'm a long time avid open line listener, and I
was surprised when you were filling in. But I have
to say you did a really great job. I guess
it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Riding a bike, yeah, or or speaking to people. But
I appreciate that. Jeff. I understand you actually have something
positive to say, which I could really use.

Speaker 10 (01:36:08):
Positive. I don't know how positive it's neutral, I think,
but Okay, I've been listening to you since you were
on the morning show on CBC. I've followed you right
when you were an anchor on the news and then
and then you moved off, of course from a public life,
and you have an interesting career. So I thought i'd
take the opportunity to ask you a few questions.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Okay, go for it, Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:36:32):
Well, the first question I have is how different is
this job, the open line job, to your former radio job.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Not much different at all, to be honest, I think
the power of radio, and the experts have been predicting
radio would be dead for actually since the advent of
television in the late thirties local radio. You know, I've
worked as a national foreign correspondent kind of person, and
there's a lot of prestige that goes with that job.
But you never have the same connection as you do
in local radio. So whether it's you know, vocm CBC,

(01:37:06):
or whoever it is, there's something about local radios. It
really is like when I'm listening, I always feel like
I've got, you know, a friend sitting in my kitchen.
So the local part, there's no difference at all.

Speaker 10 (01:37:17):
I agree. I think local and live, those two together
are very special.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:37:26):
The second question I had for you was, so you
moved from the morning show and then you were on
TV as an anchor, and I remember one specific piece
that you did that was I thought very great where
you put a human face to addictions, and that was
during the pandemic. So you're having you're really killing it

(01:37:50):
on TV after you kill it on the radio. Did
a great job in the radio. I love that show.
And then and then you decide to go and pursue education. Yeah,
so that there is a big shift. I just wondered
what the thought process was or what made you move
in that direction.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Okay, I'm more than happy to answer that. Yeah it is,
but I'll tell you that and then I have to
go to the break after I answered this. But I
appreciate the opportunity, although I'm always nervous when the interviewer
gets flipped around. So you're very crafty. If you're not,
If you haven't considered a career in this, maybe you
should so very very quickly. So what happened was I
knew that I would try to leave broadcasting to go

(01:38:29):
into teaching because when I was a teenager, I could
have gone down two roads, and I was probably leaning
towards a darker road. And I had a teacher who
really helped me, and they've made a big difference in
my life. And I thought, you know what, I'd like
to be that teacher for somebody. Full disclosure, I thought
my wife and I might move to someplace where they
drink drinks out of pineapples in the winter, and we

(01:38:51):
would come back to Newfoundland and stay on the Eesport Peninsula,
like a perfect life. And then COVID intervened and destroyed
the plan because nobody was hiring Canadian teachers. But I
really like education. There's a kind of a satisfaction you
get when you see a light bulb go on in
like a young person's head. And you can make a
lot of money in different businesses and different jows, but
only teachers, I think, can get that feeling of you know,

(01:39:13):
I actually saw the lights go on about something that
this young person didn't know about before that they now
know about. And even better, if you can make young
people feel good about themselves and encourage them and motivate
them and you can see it working, there's just nothing better.
And with that, Jeff, I've got to.

Speaker 10 (01:39:31):
Go a great story there. I appreciate it. I have
two follow up questions, but I'll.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
Have to get him next time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
Yes, well, hopefully there will be a next time. But
I appreciate the call, Jeff, thank you. All right, that's
Jeff grilling me instead of letting me grill him. A
little bit of role reversal. It's not a bad thing
to do though, as far as things go. We're going
to go to a break now, and after that we'll
talk to Mike Russell, a candidate at large in Saint

(01:39:58):
John's the municipal elections come up. Stay tuned, Welcome back.
All right, let's go right to line two. Miles Russell
joins me. Now, Miles, you're on the air. We want
to talk about municipal politics. I gather how are you?

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
Thanks for hosting the radio there this morning, Anthony love
hearing you on there as well, in a different, different
venue than what you normally hear you. Yeah, today, I
want to talk about positive It's not necessarily a bad thing.
It's more just kind of talking to the public about
an interesting thing that a lot of people might overlook,
which is third places. Not sure if you're familiar with
the term mm hm, Are you familiar with the yeah?

(01:40:30):
Are you familiar with the term the third place?

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:40:32):
Yeah, So so there's there's something interesting that you know
in a lot of you know, We're a cold climate city,
not exactly the coldest, We're not Montreal or Calgary or anything,
but we do have cold winters. And there's one thing
that I hear from a lot of people who are
you know, have you know, limitations in their ability to
get around the city in the winter, and that's we
have no indoor third places that are readily accessible. So

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you know, we have malls and you know, coffee shops
and things like that. Those are perfectly following third places,
but their function is commerce driven. They're not built around
recreation or even just relaxation or just being social.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Yeah, the idea, the idea here is like a place
that's not home and not work, like a separate place exactly.

Speaker 17 (01:41:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:41:14):
So yeah, for the listeners, I guess if you're right
to define it a third place, Yeah, it's simply not
work and not home. So anywhere outdoors can be a
third place, but generally speaking, it's somewhere that is meant
for not the two functions of being home and being
at work. So you know, coffee shops are a big one,
and you know, being in the malls a big one. Also,
lobbies like at the Paula Reynolds Center and the new

(01:41:36):
Mews Center. But what we don't have in Saint John's
that we do have in other Canadian cities are indoor
actual park so like an Neddor park like Bannerman or
you know, Bowering Park, amazing park, lovely to be around
in the summer, but in the winter. Basically there's a
couple of specific things, let's say the loop at Bannerman,
but other than that, we don't really have a lot
of places for activity indoors. And you know, like Saint

(01:41:58):
John's could say to the Avalon Mall, would you I'd
like to, you know, sponsor a walk or like some
form of event inside, but there's no real motivation for that. Yeah,
and you know, Saint John's has a has I think
a good need for this because again talking to residents,
especially in the downtown area, there's really no indoor spaces anymore.
Atlantic places kind of collapsed down what used to be

(01:42:19):
a much larger space to a much smaller place. They
closed the doors earlier. Now that wasn't really a park,
and again it's inside a federal building or I guess
a private building that has federal and provincial functions. So yeah,
it's just it's something that's interesting because these are good
places for people to socialize, and it's something that we're
really lacking, you know, especially in let's say we're having
a a crisis for people's loneliness.

Speaker 6 (01:42:41):
And things like this.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
True, and also it's not like for certain people who
have accessibility issues. And I'm not just talking about people
with physical disabilities, but even seniors who don't want to
take their take a chance when it's icy out, you know,
and they end up spending more time at home. When
we've heard about there being an epidemic of loneliness. So
I kind of intrigue. But the thing is, Mike, So
like in a miles rather in a bigger city like

(01:43:03):
a Montreal or a Toronto Calgary, you've got almost these
sort of underground cities within the city that have all
kinds of places you can go and you don't even
have to step outside. What would you like to see
in Saint John's given the fact that you're a candidate
in the municipal election, Well, I.

Speaker 5 (01:43:17):
Mean there's lots of places where you have so you know,
we have a little tiny network downtown that's connecting Mile
one and a couple of buildings down there. I mean
City Hall has a pretty large space in on the
second floor. Yeah, you know, it's a very brutallest building,
but you know, a space like that that could be
left open longer and actually put like maybe some playground
infrastructure in it. But even even still, Anthony, we could

(01:43:37):
have there's lots of low value buildings that the city
could acquire because there's another function that's kind of more
neat is having an avalon mall that's fully private has
the restriction of it being commerce driven. But if the
city Saint John said, We're going to buy a you know,
largest building in town somewhere, but we're going to have
private vendors on the sides, kind of like a farmer's market,
but have the main function of the park, you know

(01:43:59):
in or dog park, indoor playground, just an indoor area
with maybe some you know, artificial trees or something like that,
and have that around a transit hub, let's say, around
the village mall. These kind of things being in a
couple cities around Canada and seeing again there's not a
lot of these types of venues, but Saint John's has
none whatsoever. So again, like the inside the Paul Reynolds Center,

(01:44:20):
it's notice of the Mew Center lobby. But once it
gets a little dark or the operations aren't running normally,
they close down. So it's it's kind of again, it
seems like an odd thing to talk about, but it's
really needed, and especially for things even Anthony like arts,
having little shows, maybe little pop ups, even little tawny
vendors pop in and you know you can sell hot dogs.
It's just the same. Have we have a downtown core

(01:44:41):
that for a couple months of the year now with
the pedestrian model works well, but then again once winter hits, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
A good point, kind of a crapshoot, all right, third places.
I like the idea, Myles, thanks for calling in, Thanks much, Anthony.
All right, that's Miles Russell. Let's get one call in
before we get to the break talking about socialized Let's
do some socializing right now on the West Coast in Stephenville.
Dave on line five, line five year on the air.

Speaker 9 (01:45:06):
Hello, Andy, Jermaine my Son. I listened to you when
you were at CBC. You always had a wonderful voice,
and you're doing a wonderful job taking over on Patty.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
I wouldn't say taking over, just replacing him for a
mere five days. Let's be clear, you had.

Speaker 9 (01:45:22):
A voice for TV and you still got it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
I got to say, well, thank you. So tell me
about this, tell me about this garden party.

Speaker 6 (01:45:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:45:31):
Anyhow, I'd like to say that we would like the
public service announcement that the beauty for Garden of Hope
in Stephenville behind the Sir Damus Rodick Hospital, and it's
called the Cancer Care Foundation. We'll be having our annual
garden party on Sunday, August the turf from two to four.
If it rains, it will be go ahead. On the

(01:45:52):
next Sunday. We will have music and all kinds of
prizes to give away. It will be lots of water
and snack food. And we're adding all the women to
wear a hat. It would be a prize for the
Beth hat. On Sunday on August. The dirt just followed
the pink balloons on the way to the Sir Comus
Rotting Hospital in Steamville. It will take you to the

(01:46:13):
back of the hospital where the Garden of Hope is located,
laptop parking and we'll hope to see all our good
friends there.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
That sounds great, So listen. So you want all the
women to wear hats like the fascinators and those big
fancy hats for garden parties, right, Yeah? So if I
drive to the West Coast and I show up in
my legendary top hat, can I enter the contest?

Speaker 10 (01:46:34):
Why you sure men can wear a head?

Speaker 9 (01:46:36):
Two of the one to me myself. Dave Kane and
Rosie Keiths, we've been we're volunteers with just our fifth
year looking after the garden and it's beautiful, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
The flowers, Oh, I'm sure it is Stephenville. This time
of year, West Coast hard to beat.

Speaker 17 (01:46:53):
And this year we even got one fence done with
the kid's boots and they're all planted with flowers and
the inn ate off the kids and a friend of
off Hour that will passed away last year so as young,
so we did that this year.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Well it sounds it sounds absolutely lovely. David, listen. I
hope the weather I know tomorrow doesn't look great in
some places I'm not sure, but the forecast for Steven
I think it's okay on Sunday. But I hope you
have a great time and appreciate you calling in and
letting people so Sunday two to four behind the hospital.

Speaker 9 (01:47:21):
Yeah, right on, and I'm nice talking to you again.
I listen to your show every morning, even what Patty's on,
and if I don't get it in the morning, I'll
listen tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Okay, Well, you're resourceful. Thanks Dave. Have a great weekend
and good luck at the garden party.

Speaker 9 (01:47:34):
Oh yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 18 (01:47:35):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (01:47:36):
Thanks thanks to your producer there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
Okay, Dave, Yeah, all right, all right, you know, all right,
thank you. Okay, so long, So Sunday two to four
and Stevenville a big garden party right behind the hospital.
I matthe Jermain filling in for Patty Daily. I'll be
back in about five minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
The Tim Power Show showing the conversation weekday afternoons at
four pm on your voc.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
All right, thank you, Sarah. You know you're getting old
when you hear your students reading the news throwing to you,
as we say in the biz. My only regret this
week I didn't get Sarah in here to talk about
the Jays because I remember as her teacher, she knows
a lot about that team and that's a team to watch.
So it's been a pleasure working with Sarah this week. Okay,
let's go to line one. Bill, you are on the air. Hello, Bill, Okay, Bill,

(01:48:26):
are you there? Okay, I guess the gremlins have decided
to visit me here on a final day, we'll see
if we can reconnect with Bill. But until then, let's
get Jim online.

Speaker 6 (01:48:38):
Three.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Good morning, Jim. How are you?

Speaker 18 (01:48:42):
I'm fine? Thank you? Anthony, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
I'm excellent. So where are you calling from?

Speaker 18 (01:48:47):
You know what? I'm actually calling from Pearson Airport in Toronto, Okay,
just to just to say hi. Yeah, but I'd like
everyone to know that something called the Spinning Wheels Too
for Parkinson's Awareness is coming to coming to Newfoundland. UH,
to Gander specifically, that's where I'm waiting to fly into.

(01:49:10):
My flight was delayed for six hours, so I get
the chance to talk to you. Uh yeah, and and
so we're just the Spinning Wheels Tour, like I said,
It starts in Gander on Sunday, and uh, my friend
and I will be cycling from Gander to Saint John's
UH as part of the Eastern team. While that happens,

(01:49:34):
another group will be in Victoria, British Columbia and they'll
start cycling west and we'll meet in September, uh in Toronto.
But yeah, so we're we're six days in Newfoundland. We'll
be in Saint John's on the eighth of August, and
we would you know, we'd like people to to come

(01:49:56):
on and join us if if they would, or get
in touch with, you know, the Parkinson's Society of Newfoundland
and Labrador or go to Parkinson Canada and type in
Spinning Wheels Tour. Yeah, we're we're trying to raise awareness
about what is the fastest growing neurological condition in the world.

(01:50:17):
And nowhere, nowhere is it growing faster than Canada. So
it's it's it's important.

Speaker 14 (01:50:25):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (01:50:26):
Well, you know what, it's not not really a fundraising thing.
We really are trying to spread the word about Parkinson's
and the benefit of community and exercise. And this is
our third year doing it, third year going across the country.

Speaker 6 (01:50:41):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (01:50:41):
And I'm very excited to get it back to Newfoundland.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Okay, perfect, So this is tomorrow and Gander, right, Yeah,
we I'll.

Speaker 18 (01:50:49):
Hopefully get there to get there today sometime.

Speaker 6 (01:50:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Well I hope you're not left. I hope you're not
left spinning your wheels in Pierson for too long. But
I have no I have no doubt you will get here.
But welcome to your first or you're repeated at Newfoundland
Travel Experience. This is known to happen.

Speaker 18 (01:51:05):
This is known to happen. Yeah, so I got here.
I got here four and a half hours early for
my flight because my cycling companion had to get out
a little bit earlier. And then I was informed I
had a four and a half hour delay. So I'll
be at Pearson for nine hours and I'll be ready
to stretch my legs by the time I get to Gander.

Speaker 5 (01:51:26):
And get on my bike.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
No doubt. Okay, Well, obviously Parkinson's a very good cause.
It's very important. Safe travels and thanks love for calling Jim,
all the best, have a great weekend, have a great
event tomorrow on Gander.

Speaker 18 (01:51:37):
Okay, thanks Anthony, appreciate that, all.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
Right, Jim Redmond stranded at Pearson International. Okay, let's go
to line one. Good morning you are on the air.

Speaker 6 (01:51:49):
Hello, good morning.

Speaker 19 (01:51:52):
I was mistaken for Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
I'm sorry about that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:55):
No worries.

Speaker 19 (01:51:56):
I didn't give the name Bill. It was just a snaffoo.
But I'll do remain mister caller.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
Okay, that's fine. What's on your mind?

Speaker 6 (01:52:04):
Caller?

Speaker 19 (01:52:05):
Yeaheah well, great, great show, Anthony, the whole week. I
particularly like the the debate and discussion on the Labrador
and the fixed link.

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
Yeah too great.

Speaker 19 (01:52:17):
You know, I think it's just like, let's do it.
If you look at Labrador and how you know, between
the indigenous injustice if you could call it, you know,
the the resources that it has the potential to open
up even greater, and the cost of doing it versus
what Labrador is contributing to the to the Treasury and

(01:52:38):
the whole island. You know, it's just just do it, right, Yeah,
no more, no, no more to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
And I would say if I could just add there,
I would say, right now, if you're a member of
Parliament and really I honestly don't care if you're red, blue, orange, green, Uh,
I won't include the block. But I think this would
be the perfect time to uh call the Prime Minister
actually after what mister Trump has done again and say, look,
you're looking for for nation building projects. I can't think

(01:53:07):
of anything that is more nation building than an infrastructure
project that will connect to a highway through the island
of Newfoundland to Labrador and then connect up through a
highway with Quebec that actually gets to the rest of Canada.
I mean to me, it's got everything that that I
think Mark Carney is looking for.

Speaker 6 (01:53:24):
Absolutely.

Speaker 19 (01:53:24):
I agree one hundred percent the other and I will
be calling I did hear mister mp Earl?

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
Yeah, Philip Earl, Philip Earl, Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:53:34):
That's my contact. Then the other item, I was listening
to Jeff earlier talking about asking various questions and I
don't want to spoil your day and you don't even
have to speak about it if you don't want to.

Speaker 18 (01:53:44):
With the recount.

Speaker 19 (01:53:48):
And the election itself, were you very close to winning
in the banavist Peninsula's riding, Yes, yeah, so the Taranova
the Peninsulas, Yeah, story, Yeah, the I's very closely, is it?
You know many people you know even across Canada, because
you know, there was a bunch of recounts that that
have changed the swing in the government from a minority

(01:54:10):
to majority by whisker type of thing.

Speaker 11 (01:54:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:54:13):
But then in any event, with the high number of
spoiled ballots, I think the Sarahs smelling that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
Writes for yeah, CP. I Actually I actually mentioned her
today because of her story about a housing project.

Speaker 19 (01:54:28):
Yeah yeah, yeah up in the West Valley. I think,
yeah that way, yeah in the writing, So yeah, there
you go, Uh, you're all for it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:54:40):
So anyways, if she did the story on on the recount,
did other people? And so I just had it in
my mind, like what's going on here? So I actually
sent her an email and I think I just said
to her, there, do you think there's a is this
a literacy thing?

Speaker 17 (01:54:55):
You know?

Speaker 19 (01:54:56):
With this huge amount, like I can't imagine now there
could be any reasons for the spoiled ballots. Yeah, that
there would be like five percent of the ballots would
be spoiled, I know, business and from your perspective or yeah,
the winner, let's just say that the uh it was
a literacy thing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Well I wouldn't. I don't know if I would say
a literacy thing, but I would say perhaps there needs
to be a better education in some ways. I mean,
I will tell you and listen, you know, I congratulate
my my victorious opponent, Jonathan Rowe of the Conservatives, and
I slewed anybody who actually decides to throw their hat
in the ring. And I don't want to make it
sound you know, I don't want to make it sound
like sour grapes. But a couple hundred votes that were

(01:55:40):
I think, I would say objectively, that were clearly intended
for you were discounted. And there's a distinction between spoiled
ballots and rejected ballots, and the federal law on it
is very very clear, and that is I think it's
the language is something like the elector shall place their
mark inside the circle. But there are several hundred ballots

(01:56:01):
where voters put their X to the left of my
name or to the left or to the left of
Jonathan's name, and I had a couple hundred more of
these than Jonathan did. So when the judge, in his
wisdom decided to throw all these out, uh, I mean,
I would.

Speaker 4 (01:56:18):
Argue, and he was following the act right, he was
following the.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
Provincially, though, I'm convinced those votes would have counted and
the result will be different. But that's essentially what happened, and.

Speaker 10 (01:56:30):
I'll suspect of that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
So it goes. And to be honest, you know, the
election turned into a coin toss in some ways, and
things happened for a reason and uh, if I was
the MP, I wouldn't be able to host open line.

Speaker 19 (01:56:41):
I don't think, well, anyways, it's going to be difficult
to find the sultitude like yourself did a great job.
But just quickly back to the election. Yeah, yeah, so
you know, I just helped there's some action on it
in terms of I guess maybe my word is little
too harsh by by by saying uh, uh, you know,
maybe you know what word?

Speaker 16 (01:57:03):
Did I use?

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Literacy? Well, it's yeah, no, I understand what you're saying.
I'm just thinking it's it's not quite literacy, although in
some cases you never know.

Speaker 19 (01:57:12):
But I'll tell you that there's a.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
Very simple solution that would make it much easier for
the voter's intention to be absolutely clear. And that is
and I think there's some ambiguity with a provincial ballot
and a federal ballot where some people thought, well on
Earth and so a next to the left, there you go.
But if the ballot, so if the ballot were completely black,

(01:57:39):
and the text of the name, so whether it's Anthony Germaine,
white circle to the right, Anthony Germaine and white Jonathan
Roe white name, white circle, you would not have any
place with a pencil where you could mark anywhere except
in the circle, and in those in those jurisdictions that
have those, they don't have the same number of rejected ballots, right,

(01:57:59):
So I and all that point, and here's one thing
that I'll have to go after this. But so, a
spoiled ballot is when you go back there and you're
marketing your marketing, go oh, no, I made a mistake
for whatever reason, and you tell the people, hey, I
kind of screwed up. Can I get another ballot? And
then they will take that ballot, a spoiled ballot, and
put it in an envelope that will be sealed and
will not get open unless there's a really good reason

(01:58:21):
to open it. A rejected ballot is one where someone draws,
you know, put some profanity on the ballot, doesn't do
that kind of thing, and those and those turn into rejects.
But yeah, the rejected. Yeah, And there was another recount
in mark Them which had eighty thousand or almost eighty
thousand voters, and it had half half as many rejected
ballots as tearing over the peninsulas. But we're getting into

(01:58:44):
the weeds. But I really appreciate your call.

Speaker 19 (01:58:47):
Oh, you're welcome, just one quickly, they get back to me.
So I said, why don't you chase down some of
the local voters out there and just see if they
had their ear to the ground on how they might
have voted. And she said, do you know anybody? I said,
God to a couple, but I know that they voted.
You know, they take the circle right. Yeah, but she
did did a story a subsequent story on a lady

(01:59:07):
who was like probably sixty or took her day, who
was like in the eighties to yeah pole and helped.

Speaker 5 (01:59:12):
Him out a bit.

Speaker 19 (01:59:12):
And I know you can get assistance at the poll
in terms of what to do at the ballot box
because I know I had a family member of his
disability and used to go vote all the time. Yeah,
you know, he voted for who he wanted to vote for. Anyways,
great show.

Speaker 10 (01:59:24):
Okay for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
I appreciate you calling. Have a great weekend, you two. Okay,
All right, Well, I guess we're going to turn to
the last break before wind things down for this Friday,
August the first, So stay tuned, don't go anywhere, We'll
be right back. Welcome back. Winding things down now on
this Friday, about to head into the weekend. Let's go

(01:59:47):
to line six and we'll head back to the southwest coast.
Michael King, Liberal candidate for Burgio Lapoil, Welcome to the program.

Speaker 4 (01:59:56):
Hey, thanks Anthony for taking my call.

Speaker 20 (01:59:57):
And it's certainly a beautiful day here in Port of
as well as they gear up for their Astrolad Festival
happening here all weekend.

Speaker 6 (02:00:04):
So it's an exciting weekend on deck here too.

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
So what's that. What's the festival?

Speaker 4 (02:00:09):
It's the Astralade Festival.

Speaker 2 (02:00:10):
Oh, excellent, good, So what are you gonna be doing?

Speaker 20 (02:00:13):
So there's a lot of events happening around Fort Bass.
That's the museum for kids. There's a big concert here
to gow night on the ball field. So it's a
lot of exciting activity happening here.

Speaker 2 (02:00:25):
Excellent. Now, as I've mentioned a couple of times this week,
because people have raised questions even today about decisions to
run for politics, you have made the decision to throw
your hat into the ring. And I respect anybody liberal, conservative,
New Democrat, green, Independent, What made you take the plunge?

Speaker 4 (02:00:42):
Yeah, no, certainly, And first of all, before I.

Speaker 20 (02:00:44):
Get into that, I just want to give a big
thank you to forma marching Andrew Parsons who represented this
district for over fourteen years. He obviously didn't reoffer this time,
but has served his district very well, so I want
to thank him for that. And you know, for me,
it's been something I think that's been to come a
long time. It was probably the worst kept secret to
a lot of my friends and family. I've been involved

(02:01:04):
in politics for over a decade, working you know, as
the constituency assistant to the MHA for Saint John's West.
I was the executive director for the Liberal Party of
newflanda Labrador, a special advisor to Premier Theory and most
recently the executive assistant to Minister Andrew Parsons.

Speaker 6 (02:01:19):
So I've been working in this field for a long time.

Speaker 20 (02:01:23):
Advocacy, volunteering public service has been a part of my
life for a long time, ever since back in high school,
supporting my community where I can. So I think, you know,
this is the next step in my career to provide
that advocacy for real Newfland and Labrador, especially at the table.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
Okay, do you have any concerns that this recent story
about ministers trying to get bonuses for themselves that the
Premier had to intervene any concerns that might hurt you
once the campaign gets a little more real.

Speaker 20 (02:01:50):
No, I think, you know, Premier Hogan made a quick
decision on that, and I think it was the appropriate
decision on that matter for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:01:56):
Okay, what are your priorities as the potential MHA out there?
What do you see as the main issue for your district?

Speaker 20 (02:02:05):
Yeah, you know, you know, my district spands in the
Burgio Ramia Gray River area up to the Porterbass and
surrounding Southwest coast area. So there's a lot of you know,
different communities, small rural communities, infrastructure, tourism, the fishery. There's
still a lot of opportunities around here. So you know,
I want to work with the towns and the people
in the communities directly to make sure we expand on

(02:02:25):
those opportunities.

Speaker 4 (02:02:26):
You know, this time of year, as we mentioned, the
summertime tourism.

Speaker 20 (02:02:29):
Here is very big Marine Atlantic, the gateway to Newfoutlanta,
laborradors right here. There's a lot of folks that get
off the ferry that travel to other parts of the island,
but we want to make sure they travel to you know,
areas down the southwest coast on Route force seventy one
of the things I think I've mentioned on your call
before too, as well as road work. You know, our

(02:02:49):
roads certainly need some work on Route four seventies, specifically
down the coast to Rose Blanche. Yeah, I'm aware there
was a petition obviously circulating around that. I think there
was a collar on your show a little while back,
and that's certainly something you selected as their MHA that
I'll be advocating for for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
Okay, Michael, I got a text from a mutual friend
who says they hope that your chess game has improved.
With that, I will say goodbye. I hope you have
a great weekend and enjoy the festival in Portobasque.

Speaker 6 (02:03:16):
Thanks Anthony, and you can let her know I'm getting
better at that for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:03:19):
Okay, goodbye, Michael King. Liberal candidate Virgil Lapoil all right,
I think we got time for one more call before
we wind things down. I'll go to line too and
welcome Corona Brophy. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (02:03:31):
Oh, thank you, and.

Speaker 8 (02:03:32):
You're doing a wonderful job of Anthony, and congratulations and
all the work you've done with your campaign and your teaching.

Speaker 10 (02:03:39):
It's just great.

Speaker 8 (02:03:40):
Okay, thanks, yeah, yeah, you're great. So I want to
get to the point because I know you only have
a few minutes. But I've been advocating for that Whitburn
area for about ten years with the lack of signage.
Number one, they have a sign at the beginning of
Whitburn intersection and one at the end and nothing really
in between. And I've said it too many people. There's

(02:04:04):
going to be a major, major accident there one day.

Speaker 2 (02:04:07):
Can you just locate me exactly where in Whitburn we're
talking about here?

Speaker 8 (02:04:12):
Yeah, okay, it's on the tch so you know Montes,
the famous Montes right up to the where A and
W whiz. Now on the turn there when you go
into Root one hundred scuff you're going to like the
center junction or anything so between that there's probably about
I would say, fifteen businesses there and there are over

(02:04:33):
three hundred employees working in that area, just that one
section of highway, and people are speeding. The other day,
I was in Nadora. They gift shop there, and the
lady said, just watch, and this transport truck came down.
He must have been doing about one hundred and twenty
in a seventy zone, and people were darting out his

(02:04:53):
businesses onto the highway and there's going to be something major.
I spoke to a gentleman at the a Department of
Highways a few years ago, Jim Derndford, and he basically
told me that there was nothing they could do. I said,
you need to put up signings. You need to put
up these flashing lights about speed. There is a bridge
that goes over to Highway eighty and eighty one Blaketown, Whitburn,

(02:05:19):
and they could easily put a sign on the bridge
there on both sides because legally there is a seventy
zone either a half a kilometer or a kilometer kilometer
before you get to this Whitburn area and after, so
you'll see the seventies sign after. But people are going
one hundred and twenty.

Speaker 17 (02:05:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
And I have to say, as someone who drives through
there very very frequently, sometimes I find you know yours truly,
I'm not supposed to be going this fast in this zone.
So I hear what you're saying, and I'm glad you're shining.
I'm glad you're shining a spotlight on it. Can I
just ask you one quick question. It's only got a
minute left.

Speaker 5 (02:05:54):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:05:54):
Are you doing a lot of Celtic fiddling the summer?
What are you been up to?

Speaker 5 (02:06:00):
We we are.

Speaker 8 (02:06:01):
We're doing kind of our own things. We're doing some recording,
and we had a wedding within the group. Or Jamie Morin,
our guitarist, got married a few weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (02:06:10):
That's I hope you gave him a good price on
the music.

Speaker 8 (02:06:18):
And of course then we got two others that are
they're in Novascolture right now, so we're back and forth.
Then we're doing a tour Eastport, Newtown and Scander.

Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
Oh excellent, I'll be there. I'll be there on their
drop off for something a beverage.

Speaker 8 (02:06:34):
Okay, all right, righty, okay, anybody?

Speaker 3 (02:06:36):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (02:06:36):
I hope we can get something done. I don't know
what else to do. I've been advocating for that. And
if you're driving through Whitburn right now, look at your speed,
so you'd be doing seventy with all these businesses, please,
you know, and any other thing.

Speaker 2 (02:06:50):
I hope Mayor Hilda is listening, but I gotta go Corona.
We're wedding at a time.

Speaker 8 (02:06:54):
Thank you Anthony. Okay, thank you so much, all the best.

Speaker 2 (02:06:57):
I have a great weekend. Thank you everybody for listening
this week, and thanks Dave Williams for being patient with me.
Patty be back time for the news.

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