Friday August 22nd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line calls seven oh nine, two seven,
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(00:24):
all right.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
And good morning to you. Thank you very much for
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eighty six twenty six so or just about at the
end of the Canada Summer Games, here's some pretty good
reviews from some of the visiting athletes and their parents.
So that's the good news last weekend. Of course, then
to get a chance to make we get another medal
or two. Maybe it comes in softball one on one yesterday.
In the action, Dave Williams tells me he was at
the soccer game yesterday, a one to one draw with Alberta.

(01:08):
Millie Janes added again scored our goal. We're sitting tied
at the top of the group D with Alberta after
that draw last night, So you never know. One of
the athletes I was told to keep an eye on
is local Sawyer LeBlanc. He's participating in athletics in the
fifteen hundred meter race. In the preliminary heats, had the
quickest time fifty three seconds flat. So he's in the

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final tonight and you never know what the quickest time
going in, maybe the quickest time coming out. So good
luck to Sawyer and all hands participating in every sport
throughout the rest of the Canada Summer games. All right,
just quickly. As a big tennis fan, twenty twenty five
looked like he was going to be a pretty forgettable year. Now.
Early in the season of Phoenix O j L. He
Seen won a couple of ATB two fifty tournaments, not huge,

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big deal. Chapavolov got an ATP five hundred level title
in Dallas earlier in the year, won a two fifty
in Mexico. Gabrielle Diallo who's a real upcoming player. He
won an ATP to fifty as well. In the Netherlands,
Leadla Ferlander's won a five hundred event. And then along
comes Vicky and Boco. Came into the Iran three hundred
and fiftieth in the world. Came into the Canadian Open
ranked part ME eighty eighth in the world and wins.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Now she's twenty fourth going into the US Open. She
became the youngest woman since Serena Williams in nineteen ninety
nine to knock off four Grand Slam champions on the
road to a victory. So on the road to a championship,
so absolutely brilliant. So she goes in. She gets seated
actually at the US Open, which is beginning this weekend,
so she gets the twenty second seed and her first
round matches against a former Wimbledon champion, two time Grand

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Slam champion, number one Czech veteran Barbara Ketchakova. So not
an easy draw off the top, but anyway, been a
decent season for tennis. There is going to be a
wildfire briefing today after a couple of days of no
presser from the provincial government, so we're going to carry
it live at ten to fifteen. People have a lot

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of questions and I feeled a lot of them, and
I try to get the answers, but I don't have
them all. So we know some good news. The Patty's
Pond fire is under control. The opportunity to divert resources
to the massive out of control fire, the Kingston fire,
as they say, the mart Lake fire has been on hold,
soor has been held part of me. So good news

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on that front. Just a couple of things. So the
big questions are, you know, not only the clean up
and how we talk about rebuilding and where we rebuild
and how that's going to work, but even just what's
next for those who have been evacuated. So some of
the buildings that are being used are going to be
used as schools, the Carboner Academy, for instance, So for

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folks who were anxiously awaiting some sort of update, because
it's going to be a while before especially the conception
by North fire remnants get cleaned up, and of course
all the fires, but for all the communities that have
been decimated by the Kingston fire. What next question is
a very good one, so hopefully there's some information coming
on that front. The federal government. There is a pot

(03:59):
of money known as the Disaster Relief Fund. The province
will be applying for support, and the federal government is
now annouced you're going to match donations to the Canadian
Red Cross, which is a good thing obviously, in addition
to and we can talk anything wildfire, if your son incline,
and we can talk about anything as you know in
this program. So you know, we talked about Sunnyside and

(04:19):
we spoke to the Mirror a couple of days ago
about the fact that their reservoir ran dry, bone dry.
Now there is indeed water, but a state of mergency
persists and a boiler order revisory and all the rest
of it. Boon A Vista now experiencing in extremely low
water levels. Apparently the water levels in their reservoirs just
like a couple of feet above the intake pipe, so
lost levels in a long time. So they've got some

(04:41):
serious restrictions in place. You know, we talk about no
washing your vehicle, no water in the lawn. But even
getting down to the nitty gritty of people are being
asked to turn off the tap while you brush your teeth,
things like that, grab a quick shower as opposed to bad,
don't fill up the swimming pool in the backyard, those
types of things. So we haven't talked a whole lot.
We should have focused in a bit more on water

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this year. Many communities have water conservation orders in place.
Then you wonder what these hot, dry conditions have meant
to the province's farmers. Now, certain parts of the province
have had a little bit of drizzle during that wicked
hot stretch we had. But if you're a farmer and
you want to tell us what you're seeing on your property,
it'd be helpful to know, because obviously must be a

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terrible season. Got off to a pretty good start, but
persistent hot, dry temperatures can't have been good. I mean,
something as fundamental as the second go at the hay.
Many farmers won't get it, and some may indeed have
a reduced opportunity. Like I spoke to our good friend
Billy Gregory this morning out around his area. They're going
at the second round to hay and last year would

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have got eighty barrel eighty bales and this year maybe forty.
So it's a problem and you want to take it on,
we can do exactly that, all right, stick it with
the water this time on the water. So we've been
asking this question of the federal government as to what
they may do with the recreational food fishery, given the
fact that people who have been displaced, people fighting the

(06:05):
fires and other complications, is that we probably needed another
couple of weekends at it, and they're doing it all right.
So to the weekends Saturday the sixth of September to
Monday the eighth, and Saturday the thirteenth to Monday the fifteenth.
Still just the Saturday Sunday Monday affair. This additional or
these two additional weekends are helpful for those who'd like

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to get out, given the fact that this weekend is
probably going to be terrible for areas that are impacted
by the remnants of Hurricane Aaron and the riptides and
the waves, and of course people need to make good
decisions and be safe when they're thinking about going out
on boat. But it still is not going to quill
or quash the fury that many people have about the
what they call them. People call them, and I agree,

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some pretty serious restrictions associated with the recreational food fishery.
But two additional weeks have been added. I don't think
that brings it into the conversation, but there you go.
All right, this is a story that getting plenty of
national attention. Politicians of all stripes chiming in on a
case being I guess not beginning in Ontario, and it's

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about Canada self defense laws. All right, it's a complicated matter,
and we've had this conversation about what you can and
cannot do to protect yourself, your family and your property
in Canada. So this involves an intruder, a home invasion
in the middle of the night. Someone is awoken because
there's someone in their home, in their residence. I think

(07:31):
it's an apartment. But anyway, the person whose home was
invaded is now being charged aggravated assault and assault with
the weapon. Okay, where do we start here. We do
know that the laws are pretty clear you can indeed
fight back with a reasonable amount of force commensurate with

(07:53):
the foresight receiving. They talk about the word what is reasonable.
Now this specific case, we can't get too far into
it because we don't have all the details we don't
know what weapons may have been brandished by the home
intruder and or the person protecting themselves and or their property,
and that's important. Nor do we know if they knew
each other, which could be a complicating factor here. But

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they hang their hat on what's reasonable. That's a difficult
word to try to decipher or to define when we
talk about it like this, and like I mentioned on
the Morning show, if someone comes into my home in
the middle of the day and I'm awake and aware,
that's one set of circumstances. If you're awoken from your

(08:34):
slumber and you're caught off guard and you don't know
what the status is of, say, for instance, your children,
who are in other rooms, then what does constitute reasonable?
You know, we are told you know, once you have
someone subdued, you can't continue to hit them with the
batter or your fists or the knife or whatever you
might have on hand. But when you're scared, fear really

(08:55):
does change the definition of what's reasonable or not. Canadians,
short of apse, absolutely have their right to defend themselves,
to defend their family, to protect their property. There's not
going to be an instance, I hope anyway, where we
go all the way down the path, like in some
of the United States where they talk about stand your ground.
You know, in some states you have the right to

(09:16):
drop someone dead with your firearm if they enter your house,
which is pretty wild. But this case is drawing a
lot of conversation, and understandably so now politicians are quick
to hop in on it. We've heard from mister Poli,
have we heard from Doug Ford, We heard from Danielle Smith,
all saying the very similar things. But we really do

(09:36):
need to have a careful consideration and conversation about the
veracity of this particular charge. Well we know more details
and simply the concept of defending yourself. You hear a
lot of people say things like you know they leave
in a bag and all that. Look, the vast majority
of people, the reality is they've never clenched their fist
and anger and hit anybody, nor have they been punched

(09:57):
in the face. So what we may or may not
do when confronted with someone like a home invader remains
to be seen. Fear is real the toughest amongst us.
If caught off guard in the middle of the night,
of course, you're going to be afraid especially if the
kids are in another room, in those types of complicated factors.
But it's getting a ton of attention, and I completely

(10:17):
understand why, and so we can open up that conversation
if you're so inclined, because I don't know if we
can refer to this case as potentially precedent setting, but
it's drawing a lot of attention, and we're happy to
talk about it if you like this morning, and much
the likelihood has something to do with either a personal
beef or drugs. Who knows, we'll see this is the

(10:37):
one to come from the AIRCNP and this is about
the certain the part of me the toxicity and or
the purity of cocaine that they're finding on the streets
based on most recent seizures. Okay, the obviously the chief
of Medical Examiner is clear that cocaine is the most
prevalent drug responsible for toxicity deaths within the province. We
talk about fentanyl and meth and x the scene, amphetamines

(11:01):
and benzos and morphine and hydromorphone oxy coota, but it's
the cocaine. Not that long ago, the purity on the
street would be like fifteen to twenty percent now they're
finding it with an average purity between ninety and ninety
five percent, and of course it can absolutely drop you dead.
So the breakdown some of the numbers about what deaths
were accidental and what have you. Between twenty twenty three

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and twenty twenty four, eighty seven of eighty seven percent
of the one hundred and fifty eight toxicity deaths were accidental.
Forty nine percent of those deaths invited in part we
involve cocaine alone, while eighteen percent involved the other aforementioned drugs.
So people have to be aware there's a long way
between fifteen percent and ninety percent impurity and how dangerous

(11:45):
it can be. And then someone in an email said, well,
you know, maybe you should all carry into lox on kits.
The loxon won't work. It's only for an opioid overdose
or the possibility of an overdose. So for those out
there using, whether you're addicted to it or you're the
weekend Warrior, things have changed. So put out that warning
is brought forward by the RCMP just for your information.

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And there's also something called the good Smartan Law. If
someone you are with is experiencing an overdose, you can
call for help and even if you're holding, you will
not be charged. So that's pretty wild stuff coming from
the RCMP. And to broaden that conversation into what I
think is a growing chorus about more detox, reducing time

(12:30):
frame between detox and rehabilitation, and then ongoing supports because
we have the countries in a crisis here, not only
with the overdoses but just the amount of drugs being
used and consumed. So you want to take it on.
It's pretty scary stuff, but we should.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Talk about it.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
I've seen in the news that you know, we talk
about the economic update we've had and the deficit and
the debt and the borrowing and what have you, and
the need to reign and spending. Of course, forty two
percent of the budget in twenty twenty five allocated for healthcare,
far and away the are just the highest line item.
So Newfland Labador Health Service is talking about a comprehensive
review of operations. They've been at it for a while

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and now it's time concluded. So they're pretty close to
implementing all of the fifteen recommendations coming from the Auditor General,
and that's a good thing. Then there's some fairly vague
things regarding you know, money spent on travel nurses. It'll
be nice to have an updated number.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
There.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Then one thing that's important and a very difficult conversation
to Broachville. I suppose I'm going to take it and
do it anyway. It's what they talk about the amount
of unnecessary tests. Okay, where do you even start with
this one? So for doctors or nurse practitioners or whoever
who have the authority to order these diagnostic tests, I'm

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sure when you have scared, worried patients and their families
and they want to be signed up for one test
or another, say an MRI, even if the doctor in
his or her mind, based on their training and what
the science says is it's easy enough to just order
the test. But if it's completely unnecessary based on the
actual medical guidelines, then we've just got to stop doing it.

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I mean, how many people out there are on a
wait list for one diagnostic or another that they really
need it, but some people ahead of them in the
queue really don't so and to add to it the
associated cost with all these tests. So they've been kind
of newly around the edges of this for quite a
long time. And yes is probably going to result in
some pretty difficult, if not testing conversations in a doctor's

(14:33):
office when the doctor says, no, you really don't need
that test, and so consequently we're not going to order
that test because we just lean in on those things, right,
you think, well, if there's something wrong and I need
to get to the bottom of it, whether it be
a cat scan or pet scan or an MRI or
whatever other test people are talking about out there, it
does gobble up a lot of money, unnecessarily so, and
it does make the weight list unnecessarily long. So anyway,

(14:56):
Newfland leavead or Health Services and here comes a forensic
CAD which will also be pretty interesting.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
And just moved to some federal related matters. So I
think people in the country were understandably looking at the
population growth commensurate with the growth in the public sector
civil servants. So there has been a move to get
back to what people would refer to as the right
size of the civil service. But it comes with some

(15:25):
problems for some. It's always and long been frustrating the
charity dealer with the government department and one of those
absolutely for many people listening to this program this morning
is the Canada Revenue Agency CRA. So they've got a
lot of job cuts that have been experienced. So let's
see here the Union of Taxation Employees represents the CIRA

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workers say nearly thirty three hundred call center employees have
lost their jobs. It's May twenty twenty four. That's going
to be even more into the future. According to the
Treasury Board database, CIRA had fifty two, four hundred and
ninety nine employees at the end of March of twenty
twenty five. In twenty twenty four had fifty nine one
hundred and fifty five, so ten percent of the employees.

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It's estimated that there's about four thousand colls center employees
remain on the job. Workload way up, frustration way up,
and it's not the end of it. More job losses
will be coming, not only at CRA, but across the board.
The spending targets see cuts a seven point five percent
of the fiscal yar begins in April twenty twenty six,
followed by ten percent the year after and fifteen percent

(16:27):
in twenty eight to twenty nine. So as much as
people were wondering about how much money we spend on
the civil service and some of the rates to pay,
Like there's something like one hundred and forty seven thousand
public sector workers earned six figures. Some of them probably
absolutely deserve it. But while we needed jobs to be
or while there was a clamor for jobs to be cut,

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it also comes with a reduction in service. Now, when
you call CIRA, the likelihood to speaking to someone has
been dramatically reduced. So on one hand, people want to
see the civil service cost the country less. On the
other hand, and at the exact same time and maybe
the exact same people will be unbelievably frustrated with the
inability to deal with CIRA on pressing tax matters. So

(17:09):
that's the double edged sword of what we want and
what we talk about. All right, So apparently yesterday the
Prime Minister spoke with Donald Trump, and of course it
would be about trade, peace, security, Ukraine, Europe and what
have you. But you know, I keep hearing that. Look, first, Saturus,
there's no question the size, the population and the economic

(17:30):
strength of the United States of American dwarf sauce, no doubt.
But there's a couple of areas where the Americans have
said the quiet prit up loud. So thirty five percent
raise in the part of me tariffs at the rate
of thirty five percent by the end of July. So
that's for things that weren't falling under the application of KUSMA,

(17:50):
the Free trade Agreement, which has been in essence torn up.
For those goods that were complied. People talk about eighty
to ninety percent of the goods air compliant, and last
year was about forty So that's not a real thing.
And here's where they've carved out some protections for the
American consumer. All the while they say they don't need us,
but they have lowered the rate for energy and podash,

(18:12):
so they do need us. We have to stop pretending that, oh,
we're just a pimple on the ris of the United States.
They're so big, we're so small. We've got things they want,
we've got things they need. So where the conversation goes,
I have no earthly idea, but apparently the conversation was engaged,
and I think initiated by the Prime Minister yesterday. And
if you're don't take it on, we can do it. Oh,

(18:32):
folks that didn't get their disability benefit federally yesterday there
was an issue with the input codes that they're not
working on, but it could take days for people to
get their benefits and to be deposited into your bank account.
And for the Provisional Disability Benefit that flows part of
me on the third Thursday of each month, so keep
your eyes open there. And this again all begins with

(18:57):
applying for and maybe getting the disability tax credit. Nothing
else flows, whether it be the savings plan here, the
provincial benefit, the federal benefit. Until you have the disability
tax credit, you will not get any of bit. Once
you get the tax credit, you get all of it.
So make sure have a look online. I'm sure there's
people listening to the program this morning that probably qualify

(19:18):
but have not applied for. So you can do it
in conjunction with your doctor and other professionals. Doesn't always
have to be a GP that works out alongside with you,
but make sure you apply if you are eligible. And
last one, how come we haven't signed onto the National
Pharmacare program as federal taxpayers me and you were already
chipping in on it. So is there a reason? Because

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I haven't been able to find any information as to
why we don't think it's a good idea to sign
onto the program. That's it. There's only two provinces in
the country that have and I believe one of the
territories is also signed on. So is there a reason
why people in this province are unable to get their
diabetic medications the contraceptors paid for by their federal government
given the fact that me and you are paying federal

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t as. Just throw it out there for your consideration.
We're on Twitter, we're VOSM open line follow us there.
Oh I did want to mention this one. This is important.
One comment on firefighters and this is from a listener
who I believe is a firefighter. In twenty sixteen, the
Government of New flanda Labrador, set for presumptive cancer coverage
for the province's career and volunteer firefighters. There's about three
hundred and fifty active career firefighters six thousand active volunteer firefighters,

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but wildfire fighters employed by fisheries, forestry and agriculture are
not included. That doesn't make any sense to me. How
about your We're also taking your emails. Is open anafeosium
dot com. When we come back, let's have a great
show that means you're in the queue to talk about
whatever's on your mind. Don't go away, welcome back to
the show. Let's begin this morning on line number two.
Good morning, Blair, you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Good morning Patty.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
How you doing doing great? How about you?

Speaker 6 (20:48):
I'm good. Thanks, Just like to command you on your
job that you're doing on your show. I'm not a
regular listener frequent listener, but I just felt it was
a good time to call in listening a lot over
the years. I guess in certain times today I'm calling
about energy consumption or over consumption. I guess. I know

(21:09):
it's maybe beaten to deaths over over the last few months.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
But.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
I just thought it had to be brought to light,
I guess, and resurface again.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Okay, one in particular, Blair, So.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
What I'm doing. I built a new home last year,
So I'm just comparing my usage this year to last
year essentially, So for this month in particular, or say
from June to July, I just had an increase of
seventy nine percent usage per day. So I'm using seventy

(21:46):
nine percent more kill a lot of hours per day
this year than last year. So just in conversation with
my inner circlear of friends. I guess I just asked
about it. I know my co worker they have an
equal payment plan, so they paid the same thing every month. Uh,
they didn't even look at it. So when they got
in and looked at theirs, they were up fifty percent.
I asked our neighbor, they were up ninety seven percent.

(22:09):
One other friend of ours was up seventy four percent.
So this is strictly energy use. This is not the cost.
And all the rates have gone up, you know, I
do know, yep. So yeah, so I just I just
went to them and just asked them. I've seen the
papers myself, the statements myself. So it's just kill a

(22:29):
lot of hours. And then the people that I spoke with,
I guess would think that their energy uses should be
gone down. One has two teenage boys they're working this
year and last year did the same thing that our
next door neighbor. They have two teenage boys. They're working,
so they're not in the home. You know, this type

(22:50):
of thing. These are the situations that are that are
going on. I asked my grandparents, who are eighty five
and still living in their own home, and they went
back to January and they're up on every single builder
over about twenty twenty five percent, you know, So it
just seems to be a bit odd. I did call
customer service at New flann Hydro and they basically gave

(23:16):
me a bunch of questions that to answer and they
were gonna look into it further. Had I heard back
from them yet, but they were supposed to look into
a little further. But it just seems a little odd.
And then it's not as though like no one has
any different stories in this. This is every single person
that you speak to is not, you know, four out

(23:37):
of ten, it's four out of four that got the
same the same issues.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I'm with you. So we did you call Hydro? So
you get your bill from Hydro not from New flam Power.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
Yes, and now Hydro I'm in the south coast of Elabrador.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Okay, very good. I just want to make sure I
was on the right track here.

Speaker 7 (23:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Remember back in February, everybody I spoke to had the
exact same complaint, you know, so how come my bill
is so high? And then of course Hydro New Flampower
talked about the cold temperatures and the windy conditions what
have you. Some people accepted it, many just many others went,
what come on? You know, it's not that much different
than it was the February prior, same thing in our house.
My usage is way up now. It is true that

(24:18):
I got the mini split going all day long when
the weather's as hot as it is, but I had
the mini split last or two you know. So I
don't really understand how my consumption is so far up because,
similar to you and the people that you speak to,
my children no longer lived there. So that's two fewer showers,
half the laundry, all those types of things. So I'm
not so sure what's going on either, to be.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
Honest, right, So these four instances that that I'm speaking of,
we don't have any any mini split, so there's no agacy.
So that was the first question that an ahydroll customer
service I'd asked. So I know that we had an
exceptionally hot months, you know for our area that during
that time period, I'm just going to say, for argument's sake,

(25:02):
like say mid June to mid July, and so there's
no AC in any of those I mean, I understand
that you're running your AC if your thirty degrees every
day in your ac Obviously your your usage should go up,
you know. I know one of those people I'm talking about,
they had a teenage son and living with them. They

(25:23):
washed cars, you know, so they had a shot back
going all day long and you know, showering and extra
you know, extra person living in their in their house.
But still their their bill has gone up, you know,
so or their usage has gone up. I know the
rates have gone up. I worked at mushrat Falls from
every part of the project, from from the initial road

(25:44):
building to the site to the straight bill a link
to the transmission line. I worked in trades and management.
No one has to tell me why the rates are
gone up. There's no shock to me. The amount of
astern astern of overspending during that project was you know,
incomprehensible reading. So I'm not talking about the rate, I'm

(26:05):
talking about the kill a lot usage per day. I mean,
what do you have to do in a household to
double your daily usage? You know, like it's not the
day that okay, you got a family reunion and you've
got dovens going for a day, or or you got

(26:28):
you know, your family staying with you. You've got two
extra people showering like you know, and then you have
these cases where people say, I was not in the
home at all during this time period, but it is
more than it was last year when I was living there.
And again it's a killer lot. It's the energy usage.
So is that something that's possible. Can your home be
vacant for a full month and use more energy than

(26:55):
if you're there cooking and cleaning and showering and you know,
full operating all like that makes absolutely no sense.

Speaker 8 (27:03):
No.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
In the summertime, that's not really a thing. You know,
We've asked that question to say, for instance, I'm gone
on holidays over the course of a winter month, and
then I come back and then in the effort to
reheat a frigid home, then of course that does draw
a lot of power. I kind of understand that defense
or that position put forward by hydro and neu flampower.

(27:26):
But in the summer months, if I'm gone up to
the country for the entire month of June and come
back with my consumption up and I'm not having been
there compared to the June prior when I didn't leave
for the country for that month, it doesn't make any
sense to me. We've tried to get representatives from either
ore or both utilities on and I guess we'll try
again because you're not alone in the let's say here,

(27:48):
the last sixty days maybe average one email a day
about exactly this.

Speaker 6 (27:53):
Right, So for me, I mean, you know, like when
it comes to getting a representative or or something on,
I'm not involved. Really, I get information from other people.
I don't generally see much on Facebook, or I'm not
you know, actively involved in the news or anything like that.
I mean, I really I couldn't be bothered by it,
to be honest. So so I went back. I know

(28:15):
there was an audit done. I went back, just googled
some information, see what I could find on it. And
it came back and said the cold and the wind.
So so are they saying now it's the cold and
lonely month of July, that that's uh, that's driving our
light bill up, you know, or our usage. I mean,
it makes no sense at all, And I mean it's

(28:37):
a it's a Crown corporation. The other thing is there's
a reason that people don't outit their own companies, you know.
So from what I can gather, you can correct me
if I'm wrong here, and eld Hydro did an internal audit,
is that correct?

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yes? I think they do an internal lot fairly frequently.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
Right, so are the people I know. I'm not shocked
that they come back and said no, but there's nothing
wrong you know this type of thing, right, I mean,
I would say there's there's a conflict of interests there
to be out in your your own company, and there's
a reason that you know, government don't allow people to

(29:19):
audit their own companies. Like I mean, I'm involved in
in safety with our company, and I can do an
audit on our own program. But every three years someone
else has has to come in and and you know,
I guess the third parody has to come in and
out of it, right, I mean it's a fairly rudimentary concept,

(29:39):
I guess here when it comes to a conflict of interest.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yes, And it would be two different conversations about an
internal audit new Flound Power versus a New found lever Hydro,
which is a crownd corse. Yeah right, I'll chase both.
Now that you've got it back on the top of
my mind, I will try to help figure this out
because when we have a represent the fund. It's also
about what we can do to question the recording of
how much energy I'm consuming, because you made the good

(30:05):
point right off the bat. We're not talking about the
price tag on the bill because the rates have increased,
so we're not talking about price per kill about hour.
We're talking about kill about hour usage. And I'll see
what I can get done here in the show.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
Blair, Thanks you very much, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I appreciate your time. Thanks a lot. All right, take care,
bye bye, Blair from Southern Labrador. There we go. That's
going to be an important one. Let's take a break.
Earlier this week, we're told to increase public safety to
allow more of the fully sworm police officers to do
their police work. The problems will be training and bringing
some twelve special constables on to take care of duties

(30:39):
like administrative duties, guiding crime scenes. If there's something a
big traffic interruption, as opposed to a fully sworn police
officer doing that particular piece of work a special constable could.
We'll get a reaction off from the president of the
R and C Association right after this break. That's Mike
Summers nunk Away. Welcome back to the show. Let's go
line over six to take it more to the president

(31:00):
to the Royal New Franklin Sabinary Association. That's Mike Summers.
Good morning, constable, you're on the air.

Speaker 9 (31:07):
Good morning Patty. How are you.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
I'm doing fine, Mike. Sorry, you probably have a higher
rank than that. What is your rank at the RNC?
Pardon me? Staff sergeant, staff sergeant. So my apologies for
the constable introduction, staff sergeant and Summer's welcome on the show.

Speaker 9 (31:19):
A problem, thank you.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
So when I heard the news, you know, because I
have a buddy in Otawa who's asked me many times,
why aren't there special constables on staff like there is
an Autawa and I believe also in Winnipeg. Your reaction
when you heard it.

Speaker 9 (31:33):
Uh, you know, our reaction was was good. Any additional
resources that we can get to assist our officers to
stay out on the road and do their primary duties.
You know, we welcome any additional resources that we that
we can get. And you're right, you know, we're not
reinventing the wheel here. There are other forces across the
countries that do it, like you've just indicated Ottawa, Winnipeg.

(31:55):
That's sort of type thing, and some of this has
come from some consultation sessions that we as an association
have had with our members and with the Transformation Committee
that government to put together there a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
There's a couple of questions and interesting ones because I
mentioned some of the duties they can perform, which makes
all the sense in the world to me. A fully
sworn police officer standing alongside a tipped over transport truck
on the highway for eight hours probably not a good
use of his or hers experience and training. So the
special constable can take on something like that. But in
the whole big scheme of things, will there also be
a role for these special constables in your opinion? Or

(32:33):
should it be part of their roles for things like,
you know, rebuilding some trust between law enforcement and the
general population, to be involved in things like community activities,
to be involved in things like deterrents of crime. Is
a beyonceibly supervising crime scenes and standing by tiptover transport
trucks and filling out paperwork?

Speaker 9 (32:53):
Well, I think, you know, there's a lot of details
that we have to iron out when it comes to
what functions are going to be able to form and
that sort of type thing, and government just said to
us that, you know, they were they were willing to
sit down with us so that we can iron out
some of those details. You know, when you talk about
rebuilding the trust, need you know, if these special consoles

(33:14):
are taking on some of the minor duties and the
administrative stuff, that will then allow our officers to go
out and do those things of rebuilding that trust and
be out in the communities more and have a greater
presence and be seen more out.

Speaker 10 (33:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
I mean, I don't know if it's because of what
we see on the news, what might seep into the
hearts and minds of people in Canada that comes from
American news outlets or what have you. But do you
get the sense that I the sense I get is
that there is a disconnect, probably larger than in the past, Mike,
about the relationship between law enforcement agencies, including the rancy

(33:49):
and the general population. Is that a sentiment shared amongst
the ranks.

Speaker 9 (33:54):
I don't believe so, Patty. You know, I go back,
I go back to you know, the whole defund the
police thing, and the George Floyd and incident and all that,
and Unfortunately, You're right, a lot of that does seep
up from from below the border and that sort of
type thing. But I do, personally do believe that the
aaron C has a great relationship with the communities that

(34:18):
we police, and you know, we're always gonna have incidents
every now and then that will come through. But the
unfortunate part is that you know, in the news, it's
always seems that there's an abundance or the news will
gravitate to a bad incident. Where our members are out
in the communities every day doing lots of good work

(34:41):
and rebuilding that sense of trust with the with the community.
You know, a lot of our members are volunteering and
going out and doing community stuff. I'm tied up this
week with the Candy Games and I've seen a lot
of our members out wearing the Orange coach and everything
volunteering for the Candy Games. So we're out in the communities,
and I don't believe that a lot of that sentiment

(35:03):
is seeped up into Newfoundland and Labrador from below the border.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
I'm not sure how to ask this question. I'll do
my best, though, you know, when we talk about the
prevalence and more serious crimes, you know, sexual assaults and extortions,
and gun related crimes, and some serious drug issues in
certain pockets of the province. Not to give their specifics
and you know, personal information, but has that caused more
rn C officers to be un extended leave or whatever

(35:30):
the case might be, because we've heard the R and
C Association talking about the need for additional police for
police officers. So are there a significant number of officers who
are on extended lead because of some of the serious
crime and some of the things they may have experienced
in the past.

Speaker 9 (35:44):
I'm not sure what the exact numbers are, Patty, but
I do know that we do have members, you know,
at times take I don't know if you call it
extended ly, but the accommodations and that sort of type thing.
And I believe that these special constables will help alleviate
some of the workload on our members. And we've had

(36:04):
discussions with the government in that these special constables are
certainly in no way, shape or form going to replace
the police officers, because we have been in the news
that we would like to see our complement up to
the national police population ratio. We are below that there
right now, and We are in discussions with management and

(36:26):
government and we are bringing our numbers up. We have
a class graduating now next month. We have another class
going away in January, and we're trying to get our
numbers up to that police population ratio.

Speaker 6 (36:40):
So we need to be up.

Speaker 9 (36:41):
Somewhere around four hundred and sixty members. So I think
that will alleviate then some of those issues that may
cause our members to go off via a heavy workload,
you know, some of the stresses and strains from certainly
the calls that we attend, because you're right, you know,
the crime statistics have gone up and there is a

(37:01):
lot more gun crime in this province, gun crime and
the drugs and everything that come in. So hopefully more
officers will help alleviate some of those stressors on our
officers that are currently working.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Have you seen an increase in applicants given the fifteen
thousand dollars bursary that was talked about.

Speaker 9 (37:19):
I'm not sure what our numbers are. They right across
the country, recruitment numbers have been down, but I certainly
do believe that this pursary helps. But you know that
I would like to see it even more than that.
I would whether or not the full tuition is paid
for or you know, replace circuitits on a salary when

(37:41):
they go away. Because I know some of the other
police forces across the country are looking at that too,
because it is difficult if you have to quit a
job or whatever, if you apply for a police force
and then have to go away to training. You know,
it would be difficult if you're a full time employee
somewhere else to quit your and have to give up
a salary for six or so months. So we're looking

(38:04):
at different ways to you know, help members who want
to apply to become a police officer.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
And then you made the call here this morning. I
sort of took the conversation my own direction. Is there
anything that you want to talk about that we haven't got.

Speaker 9 (38:16):
To No, that was I heard in your preamble yesterday
with regards to the announcement the day before with regards
to this, and you know, I just wanted to put
it out there that we see this as a benefit.
Any any resources, like I said, that will assist our
officers and allow them to free themselves up and get
out and patrol the cities or the streets that we

(38:38):
have jurishdiction over anything that frees them up and gets
them out doing that. We applaud that and certainly that
as long as this doesn't take away from, like I
said earlier, of getting our compliment up to the national
police population ratio.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Stop sargant Mike Sommers as the president of the irn
C Association, appreciate your time, sir.

Speaker 9 (38:58):
Thank you, Patty, have a good day YouTube.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Bye bye. There you go. That's uh well, it was
a rounded conversation. Let's take a break. When we come back,
we'll talk about the impact of the Canada Games and
minor sports, Crown Lands heat pumps, whatever you want to
talk about. Don't go away, welcome back to the program.
Let's gone number five Bruce around the air.

Speaker 11 (39:15):
Yes, good morning, Patty Daily. How are you today?

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Great today? How about you? Good?

Speaker 12 (39:20):
Sir?

Speaker 11 (39:20):
Good If it was any better, I cancel my life
at Churts. Good Man, you're doing a great job there.
By the way, I always loved your open and honest
answers to the public.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (39:32):
I just had a couple of things on my mind's
born and one being the cell phone coverage in and
around the city here on the highways buyers, and the
other was the Canada Games.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
I thing.

Speaker 11 (39:44):
I got a couple before I went to the cell
phone coverages are covered the children. I got two small
silver and participating in sports in and around the Saint
John's Mount Pearl area. And I just want to say,
and I don't want to be come across as a
dog in the manger either, but all our own programs
are have been put out or postponed or canceled as
a result of the Canada Games. All their sports. I

(40:06):
got a dollar eight years old participates in soccer and
they haven't seen the field in August. Everything has been
canceled or watered down or pushed back. I got another
boy in baseball. I think he's seen his group his
team twice in August. So you know, I noticed a
lot of the media is soaking it up. And it's
certainly a big news and a great thing too. It's

(40:28):
great for the economy and stuff. But I don't know
the purpose was ever intended that our own programs would
all be suspended. The idea is to promote sport and
the all the children getting out in the sun themselves.
But anyway, I just wanted to throw it in there
because everything I hear is a Canada games, Canada games,
Canada games, while our own children are all sitting on

(40:50):
the wayside and you know, twiddling their thumbs wait for
this to come and go.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
It's a fair point. I heard from a lady overnight.
She has a toddler playing minor soccer here in the
city Saint John's. So the first five weeks they were
at one field, and they're supposed to be playing at
Churchill Square, and given some of the remnants of the
Church of Park Music festival and other soccer pitchers being
used up, they haven't been able to play either. And
that's a real problem. I do know someone who's friend

(41:16):
of mine. He's a minor soccer coach, and given the
fact that his team was also derailed, he's just getting
together once or twice a week, just on a regular
old field like or Brown Kent's pond or whatever the
case we be to have a kick and get together
that kind of stuff. But you're right, it's an economic impact.
It's the elite athletes in the country playing in nineteen
different sports. They will leave behind some better infrastructure and

(41:36):
fields and the like for our minor sports kids to
use in the future, but it is a problem for
the summer. Completely understand where you're come from.

Speaker 11 (41:44):
Well, I think that in a lot of cases they
talk about field availability, but my experience has been all
the field has been left open and they've you know,
all the resources are gone towards REFF and the Canada
Games or participating in those events as opposed to putting
time into these Programs's great that, like you said, the
obrastructure piece, but there it is. It's a year that

(42:06):
you know, basically little or none has gotten done here. Yeah,
but anyway, I don't want to come across as like
I said, dogging the major or sticking them out.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
But no, But I'm going to ask you a question
on that though. So if some of the pitches or
fields are still available but there are no games are scheduled,
has anyone told you why that might be, whether it
be the folks at New flannd Labor or Soccer Association, Like,
is it about officials or is it about something that
I'm missing here?

Speaker 11 (42:31):
I know I wasn't told specifically. I mean, you know,
the field that they were supposed to be playing at
at those times. I noticed the travel that they've been
vacant and nobody's been using them, whether it's baseball diamonds
or soccer pitches, and that's spreading. I mean, I haven't inquired,
but and I guess in the case of soccer, was

(42:51):
just totally for the month of August until after the
twenty fifth. There's no more soccer. There's no answers other
than that.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, it's a disrupted season unfortunately, so no doubt about it. Broce.
Did you also want to talk about cell phones or
something as well?

Speaker 11 (43:08):
I did. I noticed I assume, I assume that our
cell phone towers had burned down or something. I was
out on the highway just the other day and went
from here to Clark Speech down to send you back
around for news.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Again.

Speaker 11 (43:20):
I'm a business trip, but during the way, I couldn't
conduct a telephone business. I mean, it's just coverage has
gone all together. I mean what, I'm not on the
social media platforms anymore. So I don't know what we're
doing about this, if anything, but cell phone coverage has
gotten gone from good to bad in my opinion here

(43:41):
on the avalanche. I don't know if this has been
everyone else's experience or what's gone on, but I understand
from talk to people that we're gone to five GEN now,
and of course that's all about speed as opposed to
distance recoverage. I'm just curious as to what we're doing
about that, if anything. I mean, I pay myself if
I get my son's on my line as well, chaise

(44:03):
on hundred and fifty dollars a month. I mean, that's
a lot of money, if millions or possibly more over time.
And for what what infrastructure excellent question.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
You know, people will think or say that the province
really owns the responsibility to in hand cell phone coverage,
to expand high speed broadband. And there is ten spots
this year that will get the same as the power
of project down the Burgioe Highway last year. But look,
whether it be the advent of five G and more
and more people using the services of one particular tower
or another. The fact of the matter is my service

(44:38):
that used to be completely reliable in certain parts of
the city are now spotty. So every single person I
know is experiencing the same thing. Like in my own home,
if I'm standing at the island closest to the sink,
I can send a text. If I go sit on
the couch by the TV. I can't in the city
of Saint John's at the East end down It's unbelievable.

Speaker 11 (44:58):
Well yeah, and what are we doing about this? I mean,
are we except we've taken it on the chain or
is there a petition somewhere I can sign or I
don't know because I don't follow. I'm trying to stay
off social media. I was addicted to that once. I've
beating my addiction. Believe me, I have bet on her
a year.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah. No, social media is gross. If it wasn't for
the show, I wouldn't be on it at all. That's
a good question. I'm not aware, off the top of
my head of any such petition. I know the province
has made this reference to the federal government on these
types of issues. There is a recent ruling at the
CRTC which the government is not going to amend about
allowing the sharing of infrastructure, and that would allow more

(45:39):
and more of the smaller carriers to get in on
the game. But that would only be a competitive issue
regarding the price on my bill. It's not going to
increase or enhance reliability. And I mean these big three
telecoms in particular, they carry a pretty big stick and
regardless of the size of the stick or the decimals
of their growl. The federal government to wholesome carts there.

(46:01):
It's a federally regulated.

Speaker 11 (46:02):
Industry exactly, it's right, yeah, and yeah, and what are
we doing down here down east?

Speaker 2 (46:11):
It's good question, yeah, and we shouldn't just have to
take it because I'm irritated, but it I know that.
And it's all bad enough of me belly aching from
the east end of town. What about if I live
up and down the Buream Peninsula or parts of Labrador
or wherever you're calling from this morning, where the service
used to be okay and now it's non existent.

Speaker 11 (46:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Just I didn't make it as farre
as CBS out on the trans Canada. I had to
give up talking to people and the phone there. Yeah,
I tried again. It was better to send you. The
Southern Shore was okay further, but as you get closer,
for example, the Babel's Peak Pond there, forget it. So
you ain't talking to anybody there either.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Waste the time to try, yeah, wild, yeah, So it's
not just frustrating and inconvenience and you know, paying for
unreliable service. There is a distinct air of public safe
concerns to associated with this. It really truly is, Bruce.
I appreciate you making time of the show. I got
to get to the newscast.

Speaker 11 (47:07):
Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Day anytime, same to you. Bye bye. All right, just
go and take a break and the order of events
will be newscasts. Now come back, take another call. Then
we're going to take a break to go into the
press conference this morning, and hopefully the questions you need
answered will be done by the representatives of the government
and New Flampower here this morning. Let's take that break,
don't go away. Welcome back to the program. Let's go

(47:33):
to line number two. Good morning, Tina, you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (47:38):
Hello, Hi there, I just want to I'm a first
time caller and I'm just wondering if one of your
listeners might be able to help me. Okay, I'm trying
to apply for a grant for my mom for a
heat pump for house. I've applied for two brants, but

(47:59):
I I couldn't get them were turned down. One of
them was through Newfouland Labrador Housing, but it was a
five thousand dollars grand But after I did that vacation
that I found out that don't cover heat pumps is
more like for heating your like insulating your basement and stuff. Right,

(48:20):
And then they told me to try through Hydro and
I applied for one through Newfoundland Labrador Hydro. But it
was I knew when I applied for it that it
was through like for the oil rebate or the but
I thought it was through Greener Homes too.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Yeah, the Greener Holmes Friendly Color.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, all that money's gone. Greener Holmes grant has been
wound down. So there's the oil pump to the oil
to heat pump affordability moneys that are out there that's
up to like twenty two thousand dollars. What you should
do and the best place to go is to take charge.
So take charge in al Dotsiah.

Speaker 13 (49:01):
Yeah, I tried that. But see she don't add oil
or she got a wood furnace, that's the problem. And
the furnace is getting old and like she's seventy nine
years old, and like we're worried, like it's getting heard
for going to the like to the basement, like in
the furnace, and we were hoping to get a heat

(49:22):
pump to put in but she'd need one like for
like the split or whatever's called, like one prop stairs
and downstairs for the basement too.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, when it comes to the wood furnaces, that's a
tricky one. Here's what I'm going to suggest to you.
So go to one of the heat pump companies. So
they call their contracting or someone like that. They have
access to every single program. They'll help walk you through it.
They'll help you fill out the application. Why because they
want to sell you heat pump. So just just pick

(49:52):
one of the heat pump companies. Go to them and
they will help you out. I put many people do,
and they all come back and say they got what
they needed.

Speaker 13 (50:00):
Okay, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Keep me in the loop. Let me know how it goes.
If you don't have any luck, up, we'll go back
at it.

Speaker 13 (50:06):
Yes, because it's not fair like it's off for oil.
But there's a lot of people out there with would
furnaces and and it's too bad like for seniors that
can't afford to pay all that money for you pump.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Right, So call one of those companies, call their contracting
or heat Pump Solutions or Polar Air or keep Cool Refrigeration.
Just pick a heat pump company. Call them they'll sort
you out if possible.

Speaker 13 (50:32):
Okay, okay, I'll do that. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
You're welcome, Tina, Bye bye.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Before we get to the break, let's go to line three.
Alex Taylor, you around the air.

Speaker 6 (50:42):
Are you doing, Betty?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
That's kind? How about you?

Speaker 8 (50:45):
Fairly well? I wanted to tell you about the total
for the NL wildfire fundraiser ahead a few nights back.
That's right, so overall we raised two four hundred dollars.
And also i'd like to send a thanks to all
the volunteer firefighters and water bombers who've been out there working.

Speaker 6 (51:04):
We really appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (51:05):
All the folks, and i'd like to thank you and
all the folks at the station as well for your support.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Happy to do, Alex, and once again, congratulations. That's a
significant amount of money. And for all of your friends
and colleagues, felic musicians and otherwise, good on you for
doing it. Pravo.

Speaker 8 (51:20):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
You're welcome, Alex. Thanks for sharing the updates.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
No worries to take care Braddy too, pal.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Bye bye. All right, let's get a break in when
we come back. We're going to the press conference from
the Premier, other members of the government and of course
Gary Murray, the president of new flamp Power. Don't go
away and welcome back to the program. So while we
wait for the Premier to open up the press conference today,
joining the studio by Vocum News Brian Modoor. Brian, good
to have you in. Thanks Maddick. Lots on the line,
plenty questions, Sarah, I'm anticipating a pretty significant and question

(51:47):
loaded press conference today.

Speaker 14 (51:49):
This one is going to be jam packed. Absolutely. I
noticed the presence of Newfoundland Power. A lot of people
have been wondering about that component. You know, they do
have some idea of the damage to the infrastructure as
it relates to power. That's going to be one of
the big questions. We heard Mayor of Adam's Cove on
this morning documenting and detailing some of the damage that

(52:10):
he's aware of in that area, and it is significant.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
We call it the Kingston Fire, and of course some
non communities have been impacted. Some of the estimates about
two hundred and three structures lost because they've lost use
of power is one thing. But just wait till we
get boots on the ground, so to speak. To get
in and actually see the devastation, which begs the question
that many evacuees are asking me, what next things at
carbonir Academy. It's a school in two weeks, so there's

(52:36):
a lot of stuff that the different ministerial departments and
the Premier and New Flampower and others are going to
have to figure out. We don't have a lot of
time to figure it out.

Speaker 14 (52:44):
So many things that we can't even think of at
this period that we're into. How are they even going
to send people back there? What is the process we
saw import a Basque after Fiona, for example, they had
to have building inspectors go in to each and every
building and that was an arduous process. To go into
a building, do a document report as to the stability

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of the structure, the liveability of the structure. You don't
do that in five minutes. That is a significant undertaking.
How much of that is going to have to go
on in this situation we can't even begin to comprehend
at this point. Hopefully we'll get at least some idea
with this briefing that's coming out.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Right, and that you will also include having to go
in to do these set inspectras not only for personal insurance,
but also to evaluate the cost of the damages done,
because that has to be done and it's the sole
responsibility of the province when it comes to applying for
federal funds in the disaster reliefund then just add to it,
cleanup is going to take a long time. So while
we talk about rebuilding and where the contractors are to

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do set rebuild. First we've got to get through the
fires to see them all doubts. Then we have to
move off from the cleanup phase and then into the
thought and the concept of rebuild, which is not going
to be an overnight task, to say the very least.
A forty year veteran of the construction and industry said
local crews can probably build about two turnkey homes per
year and other contractors are busy. So how this looks

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into the future. And I hate to get out in
front of myself here or over my skis because we're
still talking about putting the fires out, getting people back
to exactly know what has been lost.

Speaker 14 (54:18):
Okay, getting pretty close here now.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
So apparently the representatives of the government are sitting down
to give us some of the information from a variety
of angles. I don't know if we're going to take
any questions and answers today, Dave, but maybe we should
just take the first couple because there might be some
specifics that I'm feeling here on the show that we're
not getting answers to because we just take the comments
coming from the ministers and the Premier and Gary Murray.
So maybe we'll think about during the press conference to

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hear some of these questions see if we have more
specifics that have been addressed by the representive stair this.

Speaker 15 (54:46):
Morning for coming again this morning for another update on
the wildfire situation here in Newfoundland and Labrador. Joining me
again today is Minister Korab and mister Haggie is online.
I'd also like to welcome today Gary Murray, who's President
and CEO of New for lamp Power as well. Steve Balsam,
Assistant Deputy Minister of Fisheries, Forestry and Agriculture, is joining
us online as well. Overall this week, it has been

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a very productive week for fire suppression. We've even seen
one fire, the Patty's Pond fire move to being classified
as under control, and the Martin Lake fire has now
been classified as being held as opposed to out of
control as they were for the last couple of weeks,
and while we continue to make a headway, we know
there's still a long road ahead of us in terms
of recovery efforts. I want to just note that the

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volunteer fire departments throughout the province, and really I mean
throughout the province who have come to CBN and come
to Patty's Pond and come to Martin Lake to work
and to help on these fires, we've heard from some
of them about issues that they now have with regards
to damaged equipment. Certainly, when you do planning for situations
like this, and we have a program for local fire

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departments to apply for equipment and trucks, they don't necessarily
plan for events where all the equipment is going to
be damaged in the matter of or two weeks. So
we recognize that that's happened and not something that they expected.
So we will be asking the Fire Commissioner to contact
all the volunteer fire departments who have helped out over
the last few weeks to get an assessment on any
potential loss or damaged inventory, and we'll work with those

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volunteer fire departments as we move forward as part of
the recovery efforts as well. So again recognizing it has
been a very dynamic and challenging situation, and we know
that people are eager to get home, and I want
to assure everybody that the Department of Forestry and our
emergency operations are working closely. We're continue doing to monitor
the fire behavior, the weather impacts on communities, and we

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will make changes to alerts and advisories as soon as
it's reasonably safe to do so. The good news this
morning is that we are going to be able to
lift the alert on Job's Cove and lift the alert
for fresh water as well. But we're still looking at
the evacuation orders and lifting those again when it's only
reasonably safe to do so. There's a very long checklist
that we have to go through to make sure that

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not only that the fire is out, but that the
communities are safe for any various number of reasons, including
things like power to homes, damage to homes that you
might not see at first glance, roads bridges, things like that.
So there is a lot of work to do before
those evacuation orders can be lifted. I just want to
speak a little bit about some of the groups that
have been putting in, you know, really amazing efforts over

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the last few weeks. Yesterday we had the opportunity to
meet with members of the Canadian Armed Forces here in
Saint John's. Minister Korrad was there as well Minister Crocker,
our Avalon, MP Paul Connors and Federal Minister Joanne Thompson,
and couldn't thank them enough and express their deep gratitude
for their service not only to Canada, but in particular
to the people of Newfounland and Labrador. And then when

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the wildfires threatened our communities, the Canadian Armed Forces stepped
up really without hesitation. They've been so professional, so courageous,
and so dedicated and much needed support has really helped
our province in our time of real need. But most
importantly what they spoke about our dedicated team here at
the Provincial Emergency Operations Center, and they spoke about how

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proud they were to work with them, and how they
worked seamlessly with them. And it was really gratifying and
a proud moment to hear that they could show up
here dozens and dozens of members from the Canadian Air
Forces and work seamlessly. As I said, with the people
here at the Provincial Emergency Operation Center. You can only
imagine logistically how difficult it is to integrate hundreds of

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individuals into a system. But they certainly did so. And
the Canadian ar Forces couldn't speak highly enough of our
team at PIAC. They certainly displayed skilled and passion right
from across the country and they're so proud they have
the opportunity to come here and support Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.
So on behalf of all newtond Landers and Labradorians. I

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again want to thank everybody from the Canadian Armed Forces,
and I want to thank Minister Thompson as well for
her efforts and her open lines of communication over the
last three weeks. It's been invaluable to getting people on
the ground here to help fight these forest fires. We
certainly won't forget their courage and their commitment as they
continue to work on these fires. I also had the
opportunity to meet with members of the Saint John's Regional

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Fire Department this morning, and no big surprise, they shared
the exact same stories we heard from the Canadian Air Forces.
Chief Schery call for Deputy Chief Paul Shader, Platune Chief
My Call welcomes there this morning to talk about what
they've done and how they've worked with not only the
Canadian Air Forces, but they've worked with fire departments from
out this region as well, including Whitless Bay, Torbay, CBS, Portugal,

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call of Saint Phillip's Saint John's Airport as well. And
again they spoke about the seamless efforts of people working
side by side, people that had never met each other before,
but nobody sort of got their egos in front of
the situation and everyone just sort of answered the call
when the time came, showed up, did what they felt
they could and did what they were told to do

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and worked side by side with people, like I said,
they hadn't met before. And again, I think that's just
a testament to how everybody put the safety of their
communities first, not necessarily the safety of themselves. And again,
can't thank them enough for their efforts. I want to
also acknowledge pal Aerospace today. This is a local company,
of course, that everybody is familiar with, and they've played

(01:00:11):
a very important role in helped our firefighting efforts. What
they're doing now is carrying out an exercise to fly
over the active fires using infrared technology to help us
pinpoint the remaining hotspots. And this work will help further
progress on the Kingston fire over the next few days
to ensure the other fires can be safely declared.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Out as well.

Speaker 15 (01:00:32):
And again another example of how the strength and expertise
that we have right here in Newfoundland and Labrador is
being used to protect our communities. The Canadian Red Cross,
of course, you know mister Krab as well and Minster
Haggie as well have been to the evacuation center in
CBN in particular and the other ones throughout the province,
and we've seen firsthand the tremendous work that they're doing.

(01:00:54):
It has been a devastating event and we know the
response isn't over yet, so the Red Cross is going
to be continuing to do their great work here in
the next number of days and potentially weeks. So today
I would like to announce that our provincial government will
be matching every dollar donated to the Canadian Red Cross
twenty twenty five Newfoundland and Labrador Wildfires Appeal. So this
means that for every dollar contributed by individuals or businesses,

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the province will match it, so it will double the
impact of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians generosity, and of course with
the federal government matching the donations as well, it really
means that every dollar will now become three dollars to
help families, communities and frontline responders who have been affected
by these devastating wildfires. This support will ensure the Red
Cross has the resources its need it needs to assist

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evacuees and provide relief and continue to help our communities recover.
So as for specific updates on the wildfires, as I said,
overnight last night, pal Aerospace conducted error aerial thermal scans
of all three wildfire areas to identify areas of concern.
It does give us a very good picture of where
the hotspots are around the houses and communities and across terrain,

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and once this data is collected and analyzed, this information
is used by the incident management team to formulate plans
of attack moving forward. In Kingston, the crews reported another
strong day of fire suppression on the Kingston wildfire from
both the air and the ground. Aerial mapping has been
completed and the fire is estimated to be just over
ten thousand hectores. There were clear skies yesterday which allowed

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for steady aerial attacks and in the western area. Eight
water bombers worked the boundary lines and finished the day
with the mission at the southern edge. Five heavy capacity
helicopters worked on the north side, and crews from the
province and from Ontario spent the day at both ends
of the wildfire providing ground suppression along the edges. Structure

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protection was actioned by local fire departments and the Canadian
Armed Forces again were working in priority areas where there
were hotspots. We also had bucketing occurring on the southeast
corner of the fire and water bombers will continue to
work that throughout the day. The plant today is nine
water bombers, five helicopters and one bird dog, twenty two
Incident Management Team personnel which will be shared with Patty's Pond,

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and ground crews of eleven Newfounlanders and Labradorians, twenty from Ontario,
twenty two from BC. Three Platoon Military, which is sixty
six personnel and one hundred volunteer firefighters. After several days
of dedicated work by Newfouland and Labrador, BC and Canadian
Armed Forced ground crews at Patty's Pond. The wildfire, as
I said, is now classified as under control, so this

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means that the wildfire has received sufficient suppression action to
ensure there will be no further spread of this fire.
The BC crew will now move to Patty's Pond sorry
from Patty's Pond to the Kingston Wildfire to provide support there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Today.

Speaker 15 (01:03:46):
There still will be one helicopter and five Newfouland and
Labrador firefighters at Patty's Pond today. Martin Lake remains as
being held and ground crew spent the day yesterday digging
into hotspots. Hotspots and ground suppression work will continue throughout
the day. Yesterday, Forestry officials reopen a portion of the
resource Road at Miguel Lake, which is located three kilometers

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from the Beta Spare Highway or Route three sixty. But
please note that the road is only open to cabin
owners located at Miguel Lake. Access to cabins beyond there,
as well as cabins in Martin Lake and Rushy Pond
areas are remaining closed at this time. We will have
four helicopters and fifty four ground personnel at Martin Lake today.

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Just a couple of other notes as the weather starts
to cool, it is important to remember that wildfire season
is not over. Of course, the fireban remains in place
until at least September seventh, but effective immediately. We are
only suspending operating permits under the Forestry Act when a
region is under a very high or extreme fire hazard rating.

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Previously this included areas with a high fire hazard rating,
so permit holders will be updated on this situation, but
of course they can find that information online as well well.
Just an update on the structure loss and the notification process.
We noted some discrepancies between Newfoundland Power and what was
seen on the ground, so this is why we want
to make sure everybody notes that the numbers that were

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given in terms of structure loss will fluctuate both up
and down. It actually has gone down from two o
three to one ninety six due to those discrepancies. That
was too fewer in Western Bay, two fewer in Okra
Pit Cove, and three fewer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
In Northern Bay.

Speaker 15 (01:05:26):
And of those one ninety six, one and seventy nine
people have been officially notified of the loss of their structure.
And again to those individuals who have lost structures, my
deepest sympathies. You know, incredibly no words to say how
sorry we are for that, and I know it's going
to be a long road ahead for those individuals and

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families who have lost their homes and lost their communities.
But of course Minister Koriv's team is in place to
work with them, and there are individuals from Minister Corp's
former Department Families, the Department of Families to talk to
individuals about what they want going forward in terms of structure,
rebuilding their structures and potentially where they want to live
in the medium term until they find out a more

(01:06:08):
permanent solution. So with that I will pass it over
to the Minister Corpp.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
Thank you, Premier.

Speaker 16 (01:06:14):
I also want to take a moment to thank the
Red Cross and Salvation Army and everyone involved with the
work they've done, specifically the Armed Forces. As the Premier said,
they got the call late in the evening, they landed
at two am here in Newfoundland and we're up and
running that day helping with these wildfires.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
So I just want to say thank you to the
Armed Forces as well.

Speaker 16 (01:06:33):
The work on our Cabinet committee is well underway. The
committee is fully formed, we have ministers represented from Justice
in public safety, transportation and infrastructure, education, family, childhood development,
families and affordability, health, community service, housing, municipal affairs, community engagement,
rural economic developments, and industry, energy and technology. We've had

(01:06:57):
two productive meetings so far, yesterday and the morning. I
just came from one, So I want to be clear.
So this Cabinet Committee is set up just by nature,
it's set up with Cabinet ministers, but there will be
extensive engagement with the residents and the communities in Conception
Bay North, So we're going to be clear on that
and they'll be front and center working.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
With us every step of the way as we work
through this.

Speaker 16 (01:07:19):
The committee members are represented by the departments. They're crucial
in these response efforts and the purpose to ensure that
we work together, hand in hand with as these communities
as we.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Work through these recovery efforts.

Speaker 16 (01:07:31):
As as soon as the Premier announced this committee was forming,
I went up to Carbonair that day and talk to
the impacted individuals, multiple conversations about their homes lost one
hundred year olms.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
So it was a taxing day.

Speaker 16 (01:07:46):
And again, as the Premier said, I can't imagine what
it's like to go through something like that, But I
just wanted to again repeat that know that we're here.
We're also going to ensure that local representatives have their say,
and this will be communicated all the way right up
to the federal government to ensure that everyone understands the
full context, the full impact, that's what's happened here. So

(01:08:08):
again I just want to let people know that your
voices will be heard as we look forward. As you
can appreciate, we can appreciate that we're in very uncertain
times the people conception of Bay North r second answers.
We understand that we're working our best to get those answers.
Please know that we're moving as fast as we can
with urgency and a sense of purpose. Even so this

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will take some time. The scope this work is wide
ranging and it's going to involve countless partners working together.
New Fleam Power will go next and talk about that.
But it's not as simple as just turning the power
back on some of the examples, and this isn't inclusive,
but we need to make sure there's clean drinking water,
air quality, hazardous materials from buildings to deceased livestock, roadways, bridges, communications,

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you have to be able to call none one one,
so we work with the telecommunications companies.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
We have the access to fuel, access to healthcare.

Speaker 16 (01:09:01):
So there's a lot of things that impact how quick
residents can get back to these areas. But know that
we're working as quickly as we can. So as I've said,
we're committed to this recovery effort, We're on it and
we will get through this together.

Speaker 15 (01:09:14):
Thank you, Thank you, Minister Haggi.

Speaker 17 (01:09:20):
Thank you very much, Premier. I think it's only important
for me also to add my thanks for the work
the volunteers have been doing and for the spirit shown
by the evacuees. It's a difficult situation and it's not
going to be resolved as quickly as everyone would like, unfortunately,

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and it will be a period of ups and downs.
But we've done stuff like this before and we've got
through it. The reception center is still a hob hive
of activity thanks to the Red Cross and the Salvation Army.
We have thirt one hundred and eighty five households registered
for a total of six five hundred and thirteen individuals. Today,

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the Red Cross have dispersed one thousand, five hundred and
fifty two emergency financial support payments the Salvation Army and
their helpers have delivered. I think the last count was
over twelve thousand meals. I was down at the reception
center the other day greeted by goats at the door,

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therapy goats and went into the kitchens with appropriate headgear on,
and the Knights of Columbus, the Shriners, the Masons. I
was amazed at the variety of people. Who was the
premius said, I just put their egos on one side
and got down to it. The NLHS staff there actually

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have a mini care facility at one end of the
building and that is working smoothly. Again, I would echo
Minister Corrabs comments. There is a two page checklist of
things that need to be done and only about four
or five of them are now related to the fire.
Premiums alluded to hot spots near the community, hot spots

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in the tree line, and growth or no growth of
the fire at the perimeter. There are comments on social
media that for some nefarious purposes, we're keeping people out
of their homes so we can do stuff with the
military or firefighters. Nothing can be further from the truth.
The reason that people are not allowed back in their

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homes under the evacuation order is purely for their safety
and well being, no other reason at all. It is
a difficult time. There are mental health supports available and
there are also discussions between the Association, the Fire Services
Association and LLHS to try find and find a way

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that works for first responders to also receive this support.
So with that premium, I will end as I have
done before, be kind to each other and stay safe.

Speaker 15 (01:12:10):
Thank you very much, Thank you Minister. Now Gary Mury,
as I said, President and CEO of New Fland Power,
who I am very thankful for him being available today
to update on what Newfulandpower has done and what they're facing.

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
And I appreciate them.

Speaker 15 (01:12:24):
Working very closely with the Province and certainly with mister
Korb's committee as we go forward.

Speaker 18 (01:12:28):
So Gary, thank you, Prima Hogan, Good morning everyone.

Speaker 19 (01:12:34):
Let me start by saying to all the communities impacted
by the devastating wildfires on behalf of all of us
at New Fland Power, please know our thoughts are with
you during this difficult time. We also extend enormous gratitude
to all the firefighters and others who have been working
tirelessly to protect our communities and all the other volunteers
who are helping in evacuation centers.

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
And other activities.

Speaker 19 (01:12:57):
I would also like to recognize our own employeoyees who
have stood at the ready to assist.

Speaker 18 (01:13:02):
Whenever and wherever needed.

Speaker 19 (01:13:05):
Nufiland Power has been working closely with Provincial Emergency Operations
Center and other emergency response to the wildfires in our
province this summer. When wildfires threaten the communities we serve,
our role includes turning off power at the request of
emergency partners to assist firefighting efforts and to keep first

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responders and.

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
The public safe.

Speaker 19 (01:13:28):
We have also assisted government with using our mapping technology
and metering information to confirm the individuals whose homes and other.

Speaker 5 (01:13:37):
Meter structures have been destroyed by.

Speaker 18 (01:13:39):
The Kingston fire this week. When and where it was
safe to do so, we.

Speaker 19 (01:13:45):
Have entered the impacted communities to assess damage to Newfouland
Powers infrastructure while addressing immediate safety issues that could threaten
first responders, such as unstable.

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
Pole structures, low wires.

Speaker 19 (01:13:59):
And hanging in equipment like pole top transformers, to name
a few. We have identified approximately two hundred poles that
have been compromised.

Speaker 5 (01:14:09):
Or destroyed by the fire. That is about.

Speaker 19 (01:14:12):
Twelve percent of the total seventeen hundred and fifty poles
in the fire area. We will be replacing one hundred
and twenty five of these as it is safe to
do so. The remaining seventy five will not be replaced
until property reconstruction occurs. After two days of work this week,

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we have replaced thirty of the one hundred and twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:14:36):
Five poles, and our crews.

Speaker 19 (01:14:39):
And all our team are determined to complete this work
as quickly and safely as possible, dependent by our.

Speaker 5 (01:14:47):
Ability to gain access to the areas.

Speaker 18 (01:14:50):
So you know what that.

Speaker 19 (01:14:51):
Really means is that you know it is still an
active fire area, so the depend upon the conditions. We
may or may not have access to certain areas. Example,
there's one area where there's three poles that we know
that need to be replaced, and luckily this morning we
were able to get authorization to enter that area. So
as we get more access to all of these areas,

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we will be able to address these poles in a
Tomney manner to make a complete restoration of our assets
and this will allow then power to be restore to all
the communities and then we will work with government. Once
they are aware of that, they will notify residents about
re entry and those types of things. So we will

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continue to work closely with government and our emergency partners
as the wildfire response and recovery efforts evolve. I would
like to stand thank you to Premier Hogan, Minister Corrad,
Minister Haggie and the government Committee and Cabinet and their
leadership during this time, and many others who are contributing

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to the provincial emergency operations effort.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
Thank you, thank you very much.

Speaker 15 (01:16:01):
Just from Gary's update, obviously you can see that there
is a lot of work to do, but they're already
you know, a good chunk of the way through that work.
So that's very much appreciated. It just goes to Minister
cor Aps point the Minister Haggey. There is a long
checklist of things that need to be done. It's not
just about the fires being out or under control until
people can return to communities, but we want people to
know that we're working on them and some of the

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work has already been done despite the fact that individuals
can't come home yet. So we will get there and
we're working as hard and as fast as we can.
If anybody has any.

Speaker 14 (01:16:32):
Questions, you can provide some more information on the discrepancy
in the numbers and.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
Why you think that that discrepancy might have been there.

Speaker 15 (01:16:41):
Well, yeah, so as we work through the work on
the ground finding actually identifying structures that are lost, matching
them up maybe with the municipal town offices, some of
which obviously are in local service districts and don't have that,
and then matching them up with New Fland power bills.
They're not all matching one hundred percent, as we anticipate
it will gathered all that information. So a discrepancy of

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seven out of two hundred and three, that's probably not
to be unexpected, and we'll continue to make sure we
get all that accurate information as we can as we
continue to contact people who have lost homes or lost structures.
So just for an example, maybe there could be a
power bill in someone's name that has two structures, so
maybe they're SHD and maybe they're maybe their home, so
we counted it as two and you know, with one

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part we counted it as one to maybe it should
be two for example. So it just takes a little
bit of time to make sure we get one hundred
percent accuracy, but that's pretty close so far, and we'll
continue to update the public.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
On those numbers.

Speaker 20 (01:17:33):
How does restoring power impact I guess how the timeline
of people getting back into their homes. Does all the
power need to be back on before people can go back,
or do all the polls need to be replaced?

Speaker 15 (01:17:46):
I'm sure Minster Korb has discussed that at his committee,
but that's one part of the process, is restoring power.
Certainly don't want individuals returning in the event it's not safe,
and power is an important part of being safe.

Speaker 16 (01:17:58):
Yeah, you know, similar today with Job's Cove and Freshwater.
It'll be a phased approach as people go back in,
so as powers on in those areas. That checklist that
we talked about a stafe to do, so it'll be
phased in. But obviously the power is an integral part
of that reentry process.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Mister.

Speaker 16 (01:18:15):
I'm curious about what you heard on the ground when
you're in Carbonear and how you're going to take that
into the conversations with your committee. And the first time
I was out there was Victoria, which was probably two
weeks ago. Now, in those early stages was different than
where we are now when I was out there last.
You know, communication was a big thing that we heard.

(01:18:35):
We've really ramped that up as we're doing here now
today and just about every other day, the loss of
their homes on how that works going forward, how we
help residents there. But again, as I said earlier, we
want to hear directly from residents, what is it you
want to see as your community is shaped going forward,
because some of these communities will look different than they

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were three weeks ago. So we'll take everything they say
and it will form how we help restore these communities.

Speaker 21 (01:19:04):
It's less than two weeks until back to school, and
of course there's a lot of questions we're getting from
people still just about you know what that looks like,
because there's one school that's gone and those people will
be sent elsewhere, but there's other schools that are still
evacuation centers and these sorts of things. You know, when
will people start to I guess know what the plan
is for what back to school looks like for the
CBN region if you know, people aren't back in their

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homes and this sort of thing.

Speaker 15 (01:19:26):
So certainly the Minister of Education is continuing to work
on that. Obviously, we've lost one school that's been destroyed
and we'll have to work with the families of children
at that school. This did. What we will be doing
is moving the evacuation center out of carbonatir Academy. Of course,
we need that available for schooling, and you know, I
think over the next week we'll certainly look at where

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the fires are, where people can go, if some communities
might be able to return home, which will help us
plan for other evacuation centers that maybe need it. And
certainly now that we know, you know, one hundred and
seventy odd people have been contacted the loss of structures,
will start talking to them about do they want to
go to an evacuation center. You know, we're looking at
other housing options around that part of the province, including
motels and temporary living accommodations for or sorry living accommodations

(01:20:12):
that have been used by temporary form workers. So that's
all part of the process that plays into the children
getting back to school on time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Welcome back to the show. So I guess we gleaned
a couple of things from that particular press conference, you know,
from Gary Murray at New Flan Power about how they
evaluate the potential losses and the restoration of power and
the safe conditions required. Before doing so, I wanted to
hang on for a couple of questions from reporters in attendance,
specifically the one asks in the third question about schools. So,

(01:20:47):
when schools are used as emergency temporary shelters, of course
extremely important to do everything possible we can for the evacuees.
But the fact of the matter is in a couple
of weeks kids are going back to school. The basics
were they were working on plans to accommodate the students
and for the evacuees because for the most part they're
going to be out of their homes for a stretch yet,

(01:21:09):
and add to it, some of the folks who have
been evacuated have lost their home. So no real specifics
there as opposed to the creation of this commission or
this task force to work on these particular matters, to
consult the general public about how the community will look
upon the attempt to rebuild those types of things. The
Premier did say off the top that the province has

(01:21:29):
now decided much akin to the federal government, the decision
to match donations flowing to the Canadian Red Cross. He
knew that was going to happen, right, that was an inevitability.
So a little bit there to understand diversion of resources
from say, for instance, the Patty's Pump fire to fight
the Kingston fire, which remains out of control. But I'm
not so sure that folks who have big questions, especially

(01:21:49):
the thousands who are now under evacuation orders, if they
really got a whole lot more than they knew prior
to the news conference. I'm not suggesting that these are
easy times, because they're not. Extremely difficult for those who
have been evacuated, extremely difficult for trying to have the
various government agencies and charitable organizations to come up with

(01:22:10):
strategic long term plans. The short term we've get it,
but the long term, I'm not so sure we've got
a whole lot. And again, I'm not trying to say
that these people should know better where's the plan, because
it's a complicated issue to say the very least. Just
in an effort to try to get back on track
here with our breaks, let's get one in here now.
When we come back to Eugene wants to talk about
north Shore residents. Bob's got a question about smokes, and

(01:22:32):
then we've got lots of time left for you. Don't
go away, welcome back. Where would you like me to
start here, David Williams, Line number one, Put up some fingers,
line number one. Here we go, Eugene, you're on the air.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
Good morning, Patty, Good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
You're no Republican. I'm from non.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Day, Okay, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
I'd just like to point out, you know, jobs go
furn Point Fall Island and Notre Bay up to note
Based hands there has been no fire damage. All the
poles are still there. But there was no talk this
morning about these communities they're painting. The whole thing has

(01:23:14):
destroyed and you know those communities. All the homes are
still there, the poles are there, the roads are fine.
I was up to my house once now I couldn't
get up the last few days because they stopped it.
And when I drove up right up to Northern Bay,
which takes me all the way to the beginning of

(01:23:37):
you know, the fire pimber. My home was fine and
I was very grateful and lucky and Note Based hands down,
it's all fine. Just to alleviate some of the pressure.
I know they have have list of things to do,
but they I think, to try to get these people
back in their homes and get them some timeline, like
over in Conception based South. Even though the fire still

(01:24:01):
being intended to even though they allowed people at a
certain point who didn't lose their home to go back,
there was no talk of that begin this morning to
relieve some of the pressure on carbon Air and allow
people on the Lower north Shore to get back in
their homes. Now, the fire yesterday from I'm not a
fire expert, I'm not going to pretenda. I know, you know,

(01:24:24):
just observation, it looked really good, and of course they're
trying to deal with hotspots. But if people in the
Lower north Shore just to give them some time, because
our homes are there and they're not burned, and the
poles is there in the broad's good so that if
issue wasn't addressed again this morning, they're painting the whole
thing as a disaster. And for people in above Northern Bay,

(01:24:47):
if we could get back in our homes, maybe provide
some places for someone our own relatives or friends, they
could come and stay with us and give the system
a bit of a break because carbon there is hopeload.
It's over gone on three weeks now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
I understand, and we're going to need that school. And
people say, well, what about the displace. I get it,
but we do need the children to be able to
go back to school. So look, I haven't been there.
I haven't seen it with my own two eyes. I
understand the need to have a safety evaluation done before
we send people back into situation which might be more
dangerous than the minds that pardonly than the eye sees.

(01:25:24):
But if it's safe enough, and if the structures are habitable,
then as soon as possible, people should be back in
their homes. I understand that, and I agree with that.
I just don't know what the process looks like or
the timeline.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
I think the question over in Conception Bay North, they
were out of their homes, they were evacuated. The fire
was still going, but they did contain it somewhat, but
it wasn't like it is today. You know, they got it, stay,
it's under control. They were all back in their homes,
you know. I still I know they might have to
give There should be some kind.

Speaker 8 (01:25:54):
Of more of a timeline for the Lower North.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Shore of jobs called to Northern Bay. Who are the
homes are standing? The polls are there that there should
be some talk of that they're painting. The whole thing
is like, I don't know. You know, we got a checklist.
There's no road damage to no other bay from the
bridge down to Job's goof and all the way of
course down to a probably can be diverts. All fine,

(01:26:17):
So I don't know. That to me seems like a
long time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Yeah, and what a specific timeline looks like, Eugene, I
really don't know. It's why I thought we should stick
with the press conference just to see if any specific
questions like yours could be addressed, whether it be by
Gary Murray or the premier or John Hageyer or whoever.
So I'm making a note while we speak, sir, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
I don't know why the reporters, and I know they're
trying to do a job, but if I was in
the audience, it's wanting some of those questions before maybe
if another newsmade, they should ask people what kind of
questions you want to answered? It seems like they're asking
general questions like why did you how come there's only
just two less Edgy, did you figure that out? That's
kind of a relevant question to me. But you know,

(01:27:04):
this is a bad situation to say why you only
have to lessen Nope A gold And I went yesterday,
Faddie to the you know I've been sending in I've
been posting all my videos and stuff to try to
help people, and not sure. I went up yesterday. I
was going to try to go and see if I
get the cat and my partfer because I had cancer
five years ago and I didn't take my partfer. And

(01:27:28):
yesterday they stopped anyone for going into anywhere. You know,
before you could go up as far as god Island, Furnpoint, Like,
why isn't that published there? People that came all the
way from Baye Roberts, you know, Saint John See to
get into their houses. But the pr the public relations
to publishing information, if you can't get into these communities today,

(01:27:50):
there should be some kind of announcement give your farm
gall Island, burn Point, Daughter Bay and you're going there
to try to get into your house to get something.
You cannot go there because it's all blocked like little
things people.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Yeah, look, it's not my place to tell people working
in the industry reporters whatever to ask specific questions, but
I'm happy to ask because these types of timelines are
critically important, not only for folks to get back into
an area that can indeed be deemed safe and can
indeed be deemed safe for new flampower to do their job.
It would take a lot of stress off the folks

(01:28:25):
to get back and around then in their own home,
pardon me, and it would also for more services for
folks who can't return home. So I know where you're
coming from. I've made the note just let's talk about
I talk, you talk, I talk, you talk. I will
ask this question of government officials to see if I
can't get a specific timeline for you and others in
the same circumstance.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
Yes, okay, great, thank you for.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
I appreciate your time. Stay in touch, okay, bye bye,
all right, time for the news. When we come back,
Adam's Talk Crown Lands, Bob wants to talk about cigarettes
and then whatever you want to talk about. Don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
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Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line four. Adam,
you're on the air. Hey daddy, how's it going? Okay?
How about you?

Speaker 22 (01:29:22):
I'm not too bad.

Speaker 6 (01:29:24):
I heard a call there earlier the week on Tuesday.

Speaker 22 (01:29:28):
I believe the man's name was Gustin Colin about some
Crimelines things, and uh, it just prompted me to call in.
Just try to keep the conversation on the front of
everybody's mind, because you know, he said that he was
in you know, his MHA was Craig Parody. So I
don't know the man and I've never had a conversation,

(01:29:49):
but I've never met him before, but he must be
here somewhere in my area.

Speaker 12 (01:29:53):
It's the same district as I'm in.

Speaker 22 (01:29:56):
And everything that he was describing was so familiar to
I mean, everything that he said was like exactly the
same as what I've been dealing with for the last
five years, Like just complete radio silence. Offer to buy
the land and either get a no or no response.
There's just nothing at all like that. Everyone who's responsible

(01:30:17):
for crime Lands just wants to have nothing to do
with these issues and it's it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Yeah, I'm almost worn out saying that you might not
like the answer, but an answer is better than silence.
For the life of me, will never understand how that
very simple bureaucratic andropolitical calculation is not made.

Speaker 4 (01:30:40):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 22 (01:30:40):
I don't understand it either. I mean, I you know,
I'm not exaggerating when I say that I've tried several
hundred times in the last five years to get a
just to have a conversation with somebody in crime Lands
who's responsible for these things. And I've probably had three
conversations that were completely generic, didn't lead to anything. So

(01:31:02):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what they think they're
trying to accomplish here. You know, it seems obvious to
me that they're trying to accomplish nothing. It's like the
ones who are responsible for implementing these policies and legislations
surrounding Crown Lands, it seems obvious that they want it
to stay the same, They want it to be this way,

(01:31:24):
and you know, you need to ask everybody needs to
ask their self the question of why why would they
want it to be this way? It doesn't seem to
be benefiting anybody, including themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
They're not.

Speaker 22 (01:31:36):
You know, it's been referred to as a cash cow
many times. But like Dustin said earlier the week, and
like in my circumstance, you know, we've offered to buy
it and they've said no, or they've said nothing. So
I don't understand why they've got this mentality where they
need to maintain a stranglehold on every last square inch

(01:31:58):
of land that they can in this I mean, like
I've said it before, I mean, if they take land
away from somebody who has rightfully owned it for the
last fifty years, they're not going to put that land
up for sale or for tender or accept our sques
from a wind energy company on land that somebody is
living on. So I don't understand why they're doing it.

(01:32:22):
I don't understand why they won't change the way they're
doing it. I don't understand why they've made all these
changes in the fall the last fall in the legislature
and then didn't follow through with any of it. They
said that they could issue these certificates that would dispossess
the Crown ownership of large lots of land in communities

(01:32:44):
in the province, they didn't do any of that.

Speaker 6 (01:32:45):
You know, we're almost a year.

Speaker 22 (01:32:46):
In that they have not issued one of those certificates.
So all of the time that they spent talking about
this and debating this and drafting legislation and getting it
through them last year was a complete way of time
and taxpayers money. Everything seems to be exactly the same
today as it was a year ago, as it was
ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Yeah, despite debate over a private member's resolution, despite unanimous
support of amendments to Crown Law law, Crown land laws,
and you know, we've told that it's going to be
easier to do this and easier to do that, it's
going to reduce the time and money required to acquire
crown land from the government. But it doesn't seem like
anything has changed, as you say, no.

Speaker 22 (01:33:31):
Nothing at all. I mean, you got people, I know
some people who are who are in this area looking
to buy land now to try to build a home
for their family, and they're coming up against the exact
same issues and like no path forward.

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
It's not like.

Speaker 22 (01:33:49):
They tried to buy the land and then this issue
comes up on the ground says well you need to
do X, Y and Z in order to get this
straightened out. It's just like, no, you can't sell that land,
you can't buy that land, and the story goodbye. They
don't have a path forward to get these issues solved.
It's like they're just happy to leave it in the
mess that it's the end of the mess that it's
been in for seventy five years. I think it's time,

(01:34:12):
you know, I don't expect to get an open and
transparent and honest answer from anybody in that department they're
in government about what is going on here, but I
think it's time for somebody who's responsible for this to
come forward in public, maybe on your show, and just
tell us what the hell is going on with this,
because it's unacceptable. It's gone on for far too long.

(01:34:37):
The things that they are doing are and you know
this is not an exaggeration, the things that they are
doing are ruining people's lives. You know, that man who
called in on Tuesday is trying to build a home
for his young family and he can't because of nothing
else but crime land.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
That's it. That's he's hurtled, and that's the exact same time.
To add to this frustration, not to derail what we're
talking about stranded in Saskatchewan because of the Air Canada striving,
So he was doubly frustrated and understandably.

Speaker 22 (01:35:07):
So, Yeah, I mean, I don't know how anybody can
justify this. I don't know how anybody can sleep at
night knowing that the legislation that they're responsible for and
the legislation that they are implementing against the residents of
this province is causing the issues that it is causing
for people and families in this province. I don't know

(01:35:27):
how they can live with themselves. I don't know how
anybody can justify their actions and their standpoint on this issue.
And I don't know how we can solve it because
you know, there have been several suggestions come forward, and
you know, the most notable ones from the lawyer Greg
French and Clarenville about how we need to address this

(01:35:49):
to get it solved, and they don't do anything that
is actually creating a tangible difference. You know, everything that
they did last fall, and that was assembly the amendments
to a Lands Act was superficial. Is nothing that actually helps.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Yeah, and even the suggestions or recommendations coming from people
like Greg French, I don't know how any of those
might sit badly with the government official, Like, what is
it that's being suggested that is not appropriate? Like when
I hear Greg French talk, it all sounds pretty fundamental,
pretty straightforward. Not to say that amending legislation is straightforward
or fundamental, but the ideas seem very manageable to me,

(01:36:32):
So I'm not sure where the hesitancy is. You and
I have talked in the past about this, and every
time we do, and every time we hear some suggestions
from you or Greg French or whoever else not be implemented,
it more and more feels like it's simply going to
be considered a revenue source as opposed to doing what's
best for the individual, doing what's best for the resident,

(01:36:52):
because that should be the overarching mandate of government. You know,
I get it. Revenue streams are important. I get it
that we have to ensure that people are applying for
crown land under all the appropriate approaches taken by families
and individuals. But there's ways to curb that kind of
potential abuse, and the way we currently handle it feels
like it's simply going to be amount of cash that

(01:37:14):
government can bring income head high water, and all of
that cash is of course paid by taxpayer, so why
already pay their taxes. There's just a lot to this
that really frustrates me.

Speaker 22 (01:37:24):
Yeah, I mean if they're even if it is you know,
at the end of the day, it's just a cash grab,
then they're not really you know, they might be helping
their annual budget look a little bit better, but they're
not actually helping the province because all they're doing is
recirculating money that's in the province. You know, they're taking
it out of my pocket and putting it into the
government's pocket to be spent on all the things and

(01:37:45):
services that are in this province. You know, they're just
reducing the spending power of the residents of this province.
So you know, they're not actually causing any benefit by
treating it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:56):
As a cash grab, if that's what they're doing.

Speaker 22 (01:37:59):
But the whole the whole thing to me, and I've
been saying it for years, the whole thing to me
is just morally and ethically broken. Like I don't get
how anybody feels okay with the way that it is.

Speaker 6 (01:38:10):
Like I've said before.

Speaker 22 (01:38:12):
My hometown of play Co has existed for at least
two hundred and fifty years, and the provincial government has
existed for seventy five years. So like all of the people,
all of the families from that community, and you know,
any other given community across the province that's in the
same boat, those families built that community before there was

(01:38:32):
ever a government here, and now the government comes along
while one hundred and seventy five years later and says,
we don't care who owns the land, we don't care
who built this community, we don't care who lives here.
It's all ours, and then just sit quietly on it
for seventy years until it all starts blowing up now.

(01:38:52):
So I don't understand how they can justify the morality
of their actions to take away land from the generations
of families that lived in and built the communities in
this province.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
I agree with one hundred percent, Adam. It's uh And
I'm not even dealing with crowd lines, yet I find
myself frustrated with the crowd lines conversation. I appreciate the
time anything else this morning, Adam, No, that's just for
me to appreciate your time. Take care, a good weekend.
Back two pounds bye, bye. All right, let's get Bob
on to Bob around the air.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
WHOA good morning, Patty. How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Okay, Bob? How about you?

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
I bad? My friend?

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
I bad.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
It's all.

Speaker 10 (01:39:33):
I just called in just to voice a concern that
I've been around Saint Johns now for the past couple.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Of three weeks with all the heat to bring the.

Speaker 10 (01:39:42):
Head, and my heart goes out to everybody has been
affected by the fires overall. First and foremost, if you're smoking,
I don't care what you're smoking, put it in a bottle,
don't flicking out of the window.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
I don't care.

Speaker 10 (01:39:56):
If you're in the highway around Saint Johns, anywhere around
any community. The grass on lawns is like a tinder.
Everything around the homes is a tinder, is ready to
go up.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
And I strongly advise.

Speaker 10 (01:40:07):
I know they've allowed the ATVs and that back on
the trailways, which I you know, I know, and I
feel for the guys who've been and people, I should
say not guys, everybody who's been kept out of the
woods in that. But there are rules and rags and
things that they need to carry as well. And maybe
Rick Nosey can add a little bit too. It is
the watch the safety regulations there for those rigs when
they're backing ain't on the on the off roads. There's

(01:40:30):
just a big concern. I know, we're getting into the
fall of the air and it's getting a little cooler,
but the woods, the ground still, everything is still super
dry and it can go up in a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
When I can hear the grass in the park behind
my house crunch under the weight of my ten pound puppy,
you know, it's pretty crunchy out there, and so yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:40:48):
It gets very concerned you walk across the grass now.
I mean, it's like you just said, I mean, it's
just the same as walking on a bed of needles.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Yeah, I mean a lot of this is boiled back
to something that is not really that common anymore, but
a bit of common sense. People know the risks that
they're taking. So if you're allowed to be back in
the woods on your ATV, good fair enough, you know,
so they've removed the restriction. But ATV ers know what
they're doing. If you've got high grass and hot exhaust,
be mindful that you didn't leave a fire behind you.

(01:41:18):
They understand what they're doing out there, you know, And
even recommendations to bring along a fire extinguisher or something.
It might be the difference between wildfire starting or not.
So I hate overreached and I hate the heavy handed
government regulations and restrictions. But sometimes when people are unwilling
to evaluate risk and do the right thing, and everyone
knows what I'm talking about here, then maybe just maybe

(01:41:40):
we can kind of push back government, the government's need
to implement some restrictions, but by everyone just doing what
they know is the smartest thing to do.

Speaker 10 (01:41:49):
Yeah, and Paddy years ago, as you and know to
use the ashtrays and vehicles, there is not anymore. May
just if you are a smogan, I don't care what
it is. What I do care what it is. But
you know what I'm trying to say, they if you
were a small game, have a bottle with a bit
of water or something into it, throw it out in
the bottle, don't flick it out the window.

Speaker 4 (01:42:07):
I mean, it's just too much at risk.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
And look, I mean, even if we were talking about
damper conditions, just flicking your butts around willy nilly is
kind of a silly thing to do in the first place.
I mean, people the same people who flick their butts around,
will complain about the amount of coffee cups on the ground.
So I mean, you know it's litter no matter how
you slice it. And we all know better. We do
simple as that we know, we know what we should

(01:42:31):
or should not be doing with, whether it be a
coffee cup, of chip bag, a hamburger wrapperor cigarette water
or anything else. Add to it the fire risk and
people know better, should do better.

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
Right on, my buddy, Thank you, appreciate your time.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
I appreciate yours. Thanks for the call. All right, take
care YouTube up? All right, there you going. Look, I
have no mood to be preachy on anything, and I
think in people's quiet moments they know exactly what they're
doing and what it means because all of our actions
have a reaction or a constant wentz or a result
or whatever the word is. I get pretty brain tired.
Come eleven twenty on a product. Let's take it break.

(01:43:05):
When we come back, We're get some comments about Minister
Joanne Thompson's comments on the food fishery in the additional
two weeks part of me weeks two week ends that
we're going to get and it calls in the you
to talk about the disability tax credit which I mentioned
off the top of the show, and then we're going
to be speaking with you. Don't go ahead, welcome back
to the show. Let's go to line number one. Good morning, Barry.

Speaker 23 (01:43:24):
You're on the air, Katty, thanks to taking my call.
No problem, all right, Patty, Tom about the about the
announcing you say by Administer Johann Thompson about the extension
to the food fishery, and it is welcome news.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
I gotta say.

Speaker 23 (01:43:41):
Some would say, though, why not, why not? Why not
open at a couple of extra weeks, But we'll take
what we can get.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Hey, I suppose. I mean put it this way, an
additional two weeks is better than no additional two weeks.
But still it will not quell the fury that you
and others think about how the government approaches the recreational
food fishery in this province. I get it.

Speaker 23 (01:44:00):
Yesd not press you again, Patty is correcting yourself at
two weekends, not weeks. Right, Yeah, that's right, Yeah, Patty.
We're also going to be reactivating our lobby effort and
getting our petition back undergo again. We took a break
over the summer Patty for the for people to enjoy
the food fishery, and now we're getting it airing back

(01:44:21):
undergo again because we want to make sure that the
government are taking it seriously and not letting it just
could fall through the cracks.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
Yeah, and look, there's going to be a consultation apparently
this fault. What that actually means, I don't know, because
if you stand back and think about it, for folks
who are not commercial harvesters, people want more either an
increased bag limit and or more days, whatever the case
may be. There's probably going to be some talk about
log books or tags or something in addition to you know,
bag limits and the number of days we're lowed out there.

(01:44:51):
So yeah, so I'm not surprised that you're going to
reinvigorate your efforts. But there is a fall consultation coming.
I wonder how they will either hear what's being said
or actually listen to what's being said.

Speaker 23 (01:45:02):
Well, that's a good point, Patty. That brings me to
my next point, and that is that we are eagerly
awaiting the information for the file consultation town hall meetings. Patty.
Initially when it was now way back when I thought
myself that it would be an online, online consensation survey,
but indeed, I'm very plea to find out that it
is town hall meetings in different geographic locations for the

(01:45:25):
guys that then I would strongly suggest each and every
person who's involved with food tistry or has any involvement
with it to attend that to attend those meetings and
have their voices heard and what they think, because there's
no returns up then the government's going to how do
you think they we're not interested at all, and give
us what every they feel like they think that we
should we want.

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
Yeah, online stuff is helpful in reaching the masses, but
there's nothing quite luck to the upclose and personal opportunity
to ask questions because then it's not just reaction and
the words that are used in an answer. There's a
lot to be read into, even things like body language.
I'm not trying to be silly here, that's a thing.
You know, you can understand the veracity of a comment
coming when you can see someone's face versus simply read

(01:46:08):
it off a piece of paper or read it online.

Speaker 23 (01:46:12):
Indeed, so okay, there is a big difference, And I
was do a conversation media and came out road there
several years ago about food fishery and it was a
lot better in person than it was online for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Right, Oh, anything else this morning?

Speaker 23 (01:46:24):
Well we have you barring, Yes, Taddy, we are requesting
a meeting with the minister, with Minister Joanne Thompson to
have a sit down in an informal setting, just to
have an intro and just talk about what we need
to talk about to get our points across, to make
sure that you know it's not filtered up by the
time our message gets to her. Paddy in closing, In

(01:46:45):
my personal opinion, this extension was not even thought off
until recently. Administer Thompson can make a decision to extend
the food to extend the time frame, which is what
we are looking for, align with its increased limit so easily,
then we have good case and we should be able
to get our case heard, and we should have been
able to get our case put through, and we should

(01:47:06):
be able to get our concerns and requests met in
a timely fashion. If DFO can allocate extra twenty thousand
metric tons to the commercial fishery and allocate over two
thousand tons more to foreign foods foreign fisheries and allocate
a fishery for the tour boat operators. Then surely God

(01:47:28):
they can allocate seven day weeks daily limit of fifty
of ten fish per person and open this food fishery
up daily from Canadate to Thanksgiving Day.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
Appreciate the time, Barry, thanks a lot.

Speaker 23 (01:47:45):
That is always bene pleasure, my.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Pleasure, Take care, Bye bye, thank you. All right, so
let's get to the news pretty much on time to calls.
Is going to be next talking about the disability tax credit,
which I mentioned off the top of the program. Whatever
from Nicole on her thoughts on that front. Then there's
a vet clinic I'm up Conception Bay North this weekend,
which will be helpful for those who are displaced or
evacuated and then wait times to see a doctor. Apparently,

(01:48:08):
let's take a break for the news guys. When we
come back, still a couple of segments left for you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
Don't go awuack the Tim Power Show during the conversation
weekday afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
Welcome back. Let's go to line number three. Nicole, you're
on the air.

Speaker 24 (01:48:22):
If Patty has gone okay, you good good? I want
to take a section before we start talk about the
wildfire and just say thank you to all the firefighters,
and my heart sincerely goes out to everyone who's been
impacted by this. This has been completely unprecedented for Newfoundland
and just watching the community support and how hard everyone's working,
they've been breasthtaking.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Honestly, Yeah, it's really something. I'm not going to get
too deep into the weeds here, but to see all
the level of complaints come from Zone corners is a
little bit much. I mean, to think that everyone's not
doing what they can is just hard to understand.

Speaker 24 (01:48:59):
Yeah, I mean there's two thives to every online post, right,
you're seeing the negative ones that I'm also seeing a
lot of positive posts as well, and I think that's
where we got We got to kind of focus, right,
it's the strength and resilience of our communities that make
us New from Landers, and I think that's kind of
the message that we need to be seeing more of.
Fair enough, Yes, but on the note, I heard that

(01:49:19):
you were talking about the Disability Tax credit very briefly
at the beginning of your segment, so I wanted to
call in and just make a couple of points about it.
Did you have anything specific you want to talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
Not really what This was all prompted because yesterday there
was an error with inputting codes that meant that the
federal disability benefit did not flow. So I basically just said,
you know, here's how it works for the savings programming
this province of the provincial benefit on the third Thursday
of each month, and this all starts with and you
only have access to any of the benefits if you
apply for and you're successful in getting the disability tax credit.

(01:49:52):
That's what I basically said this morning.

Speaker 24 (01:49:54):
Exactly No, Yeah, you're exactly right. So I've been doing
a lot of work about how to access the displete
tax credit. I've done citation that numerous community organizations, and
I've been doing some social media stuff. But I there's
a couple of things that I kind of do want
to rate awareness of. So one of the things is,
as you know, we are a problems that doesn't have
high rates of family doctors, so that that's one barrier

(01:50:15):
if you don't have a family doctor. It can be
really challenging to get those forms filled out, and they're
usually is a fee associated if you're going private. But
the kicker, right, it's like one step board, two steps back,
because even if you do have a family doctor, MCP
doesn't fill for doctors filling out forms. So what that
means is you could still get charged from your family doctor.

(01:50:37):
And I've seen this bee up to two hundred and
sixty dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
Yeah, now it's also worth pointing out, and I know
you know this, but if you're listening to anything, well,
I don't have a family doctor, so I'm not going
to bother. It depends on the issue that you might
see you qualify. So for a medical doctor they can
review and certify all impairments, and nurse practitioners all impairments.
But if your issue is with vision or hearing, or
walking or mental functions are speaking, then professionals in those

(01:51:03):
arenas are also qualified to help you. An optometrist if
you're talking about vision, and ideologists if you're talking about hearing,
an occupational therapist if it's things like feeding yourself or
getting dressed or walking, physiotherapists, psychologists, speech language pathologists. So
just because you might not have a family doctor, don't
automatically rule yourself out from pursuing this.

Speaker 24 (01:51:22):
No, exactly, And i'd say to anyone who really stuck,
like call eight one one and gets their opinions if
they can point you in the right direction. Sure it's
not perfect, but if there are different things available, And
like I said, it's just it's hard to watch because say,
if you can't to pass the first pay wall, if
you're being told you have to pay to get these
forms filled out, you can't access the other benefits. So

(01:51:43):
for people who are living in poverty who can't afford
this first step, that means they're automatically not going to
be connected to additional financial supports that they should be
entitled to. And with this, like with fifty three percent
of people experiencing homelessness also have it as the ability.
So there were a couple different sides of this as
well that I do worry that the people who need

(01:52:05):
this most aren't able to access it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
I'll add to the point and the point made that
I just received a text on if you have to
pay a fee for this purpose, you can also claim
it against your taxes. So you're going to have to
pay up front, but you.

Speaker 24 (01:52:16):
Will recoup yes, yes, And if you do have the option,
like the ability to pay it upfront, like that is
an option for people, but then sometimes people on income
support or other programs or CPP disability, they might not
have access to that fast funding. If there was the
way that there was a program put in place where
maybe income support or another institution could step in to

(01:52:36):
kind of cover it and then get it back on
the tail end, I think that would make it a
lot more accessible for people who really need it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of an interesting contrast, isn't it.
We're talking about people who may be eligible for a
disability tax credit and that's the exact same time making
it difficult for accessibility. It's a exactly pretty calfortuitive.

Speaker 24 (01:52:58):
Well yeah, well that's actually why I would presentations at
the community level, because I did notice that the province
was doing some up by the airport. But then I
was kind of thinking that if you're you know, you're,
it's always nerve wracking going to a new place, especially
if you have mobility issues. There are other types of
impairments that if we can bring the presentation to where

(01:53:18):
people feel safe and where they have support, it would
be more accessible to them. So that's what I've been
doing for the past couple of months, and I got
to say, like, the community of response to that will
have been really good.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
And that's a good thing. Anything else you'd like to
have this morning while we have you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
No, No, that's it.

Speaker 24 (01:53:34):
I just heard you talking about it this morning. I
was like, Oh, I'm not to Patti you call.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
I always happy to talk about these kinds of things,
for sure, because I bet a lot of people who
listen to the program and maybe sporadically listen, maybe hear
about this and think, wow, maybe I am eligible, and
the next thing you know, they are eligible. So this
is helpful self hopefully to people listen to the program exactly.

Speaker 24 (01:53:53):
And I've talked to people who I've helped connect with this,
and they've told me after the fact that this has
changed their lives, Like they're buying in bed and they're
not worried about buying medications, or they're not worried about
paying that power bill. So getting this tax credit and
the other benefits it can be life changing for people
and any I will.

Speaker 3 (01:54:10):
End on that note.

Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
I appreciate your time to call.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
Thank you, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
Thanks welcome, by bye. All right, let's see you get
a couple of information loaded calls. Are line number five. Hew,
there are you around the air?

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
Hi?

Speaker 7 (01:54:22):
Patti Harria?

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
Great today? How about you?

Speaker 24 (01:54:24):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:54:25):
Not too bad? So yeah, So I'm calling in today
because we're going to be doing a vet clinic, a
free that clinic, I should say, out hopefully in the
Carboneer School on Sunday for the residents that are displaced
with their animals. And you know, if they're concerned and
they think their animal needs to be checked out by
a vet, we'd like them to come by and Sunday.

(01:54:48):
I don't have all the details yet. We're having a
meeting later today, so people can check out our Facebook
page Rescue an l on Facebook, and we'll have the
details there with the to I'm and all that stuff,
but most likely we'll be at the school where people are.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
Yeah. So when you get these space secured, let us know,
whether it be social media or otherwise, and we'll try
to spread it fire and wide. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:55:13):
I'm like sored, I just want That's why I wanted
just to call in to make people aware that it
will be happening on Sunday because that's the best time
I think, you know, because the government agency agencies aren't
done the building and stuff, and we want to do
it now because well, of course school is coming up,
and who know, people might be moving and stuff, and
you know, I think we've had a lot of people
reach out that are concerned and need that care and
stuff for their animals. So we want to offer that

(01:55:35):
for them, right because with everything else going on, I
think I feel like it's the least we can do
to help out.

Speaker 10 (01:55:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
Absolutely, I'm good on you for doing it. Anything else
before I take another call here this morning, Heather.

Speaker 7 (01:55:45):
Nope, just want to get that out there, that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
I'm glad you did, and let's keep us in the
loop with the location.

Speaker 7 (01:55:51):
Absolutely, we will do that. Thank you, Thank you, have
great day, you too.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
Heather, Bye bye. I'm sure people will take advantage of
it or a veil of it. Scodlne number two, Trevor,
you are on the.

Speaker 9 (01:56:01):
Air all ry this morning, Patty, Happy Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
Happy product you. I'm best kind. How about you on
number one?

Speaker 4 (01:56:08):
Number one, Patty, Good night, Patty.

Speaker 25 (01:56:09):
For the gods to the call here, I won't take
them over. So many of the colors have done. Just
to say a very special thank you to all the
men and women who are fighting these blazers and behind
the scenes, and also let the people know who are
deeply affected by all this that our thoughts are with
them all and hoping to get this sort of a way,

(01:56:29):
say quickly for all those people to change gears here
a little bit. The reason un count Patty is because
we're bringing back the Labor Day fest up at the
edge of the Avlon Intropacity. This year it got sidelined
with the COVID pandemic and the decision was made this
year that we're going to bring it back. It's going

(01:56:51):
to be an awesome, fun filled weekend for family and
friends to come up. We're going to have a lot
of music. We're going to have starting off and Saturday
evening with Trava he's on Judy Brazil.

Speaker 4 (01:57:02):
Then we have mister Shan.

Speaker 25 (01:57:04):
Sullivan and a couple of lads from Fogo Island with
the Ramblers, and we're gonna follow that up with the
awesome Shanny Ganok and an up and coming bank called
Uncle Jack. If anybody's interested, it's quite a party, as
everybody knows. Nobody knows how to party like the crowd
on the Irish Loup breaking a learn classy but I'm biased,

(01:57:24):
so uh you know, anybody feels that they want to
get away from it all for a weekend, we gladly
love to have them up and celebrate this, this this
fest with us again, hoping they bring it back full time,
but we'll see how it goes. If anybody does want tickets,
they can call seven nine four three eight twenty nine

(01:57:45):
thirty four or visit the edge of the Avalan in
bat Com there's tempsites available and anybody who wouldn't accommodations
at the end as well. And just to touch on
something that the Premier said earlier with the red crossing,
the edges and the people at the edge are going
to donate five hundred dollars kickstart things, so we're already

(01:58:08):
up to one thousand dollars now with the government matching it.
So let's get everybody out there around the province and
stuff just to you know, keep going and let's help.

Speaker 6 (01:58:18):
Out in any way we can.

Speaker 25 (01:58:20):
And aside to that, Patty too, as the inn the
devline in wants to say thank you to the hard
working volunteers and stuff, so they're going to offer up
a night at the age for any of these amazing
people if they want to get a night away with
their pet. They can just reach out to the edge
of the avalon Intravesei and they will look after them someday.
Then we do have some lot of entertainment on the deck.

(01:58:44):
I believe it is with Katie Barber and the Relics
as well. So all now is looking to be a
fine weekend of entertainment and getting together. And let's hope
we can see a lot of people up there. We
just get away from all the you know, the the
hassle and the scariness of the wildfires us off the
last few weeks. I think it'd be a great idea

(01:59:06):
to just come out and relax. I have a few
cold moves and listen to to joyable music.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
Here here, and I can attest to the fact that
the crowd on the Loop know how to party.

Speaker 4 (01:59:16):
Indeed we do.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Good on you, good luck with a Trevor thank you
all right, Patty, thanks, I have.

Speaker 4 (01:59:21):
A good day.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
Pleasure same to you. But bye, all right, a second
final break the morning and the week, don't go away,
welcome back. Let's go to line and reforcec ainging more
to the liberal candidate we'rren in the upcoming election. Whenever
that's going to be in Mount Pearl, Southlands. That's Sarah Furlong. Hi, Sarah,
you're on the air.

Speaker 26 (01:59:36):
Hi, Patty, thanks for taking my call today.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
No problem.

Speaker 26 (01:59:40):
So, like a lot of new Newfoundlanders here in the Labradorians,
I've been hearing from family, neighbors and even seniors at
the grocery stores that they're struggling to get basic healthcare needs. Mesh.
We've had some folks who haven't had a replacement doctor,
and even the collaborative care models, you know, young families

(02:00:01):
who don't have family positions for their children. So I
really think it's time that we take a look at
our priorities here and I think there is something to
be said about shifting focus to an evidence based care
model that would integrate non clinical personnel into patient care teams.

Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
Isn't that what we're kind of doing with the new
ambulatory hub.

Speaker 13 (02:00:24):
Yes, but I think that.

Speaker 26 (02:00:25):
There's more to be done, honestly, So, Patty, I actually
went to Harvard for a certification and part of it
was mental health Innovative and Strategy, and one thing that
they always said was that non clinical personnel into patient
care teams is a key factor to strategizing for the

(02:00:47):
most opportunity. So if we look at community healthcare workers
or even traditional healers, you know, there's opportunity to use
as long as of course it's evidence based. There's opportunity
to use people and give other people the opportunity for
the training to give them a little bit more responsibility.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
Paint us a picture of a relatively specific example of
how this works.

Speaker 24 (02:01:12):
Sure, okay, so just say if there was a.

Speaker 26 (02:01:18):
We're not talking about diagnosis by any means, So just say,
if I right now, if I call the pharmacy, the
pharmacist can deliver me an extra bit of prescription for
a couple of weeks. Okay, So that's great, But at
the end of the day, I would still have to
call my doctor's office or they would fax over for

(02:01:39):
an updated prescription. Now, sometimes we still wait more than
two weeks to try to get that prescription. So maybe
pride providing the pharmacist or even the pharmacy tech with
some more opportunities to be able to extend those types
of things that would help. So that's just a really
small piece. We definitely with it. In mental health for

(02:02:01):
peer support, you know, I think there is opportunity outside
of some of the peer support trainings that why not
take it the extra steps. A lot of times people
just want someone to speak with, you know, and if
it's something that we can deliver and help and even
being checked ins or community go tos or someone to

(02:02:24):
pick up the phone and call and say how are
you making out today? Last night on the phones, I
was actually bumped into a few different seniors and you know,
if they all have something significant going in on their life,
you know, And for me, it opened my eyes to
the need for even a really preventative check in, even

(02:02:46):
to pick up a phone call and say how are
you doing? What can we do for you?

Speaker 2 (02:02:51):
Yeah, I mean I suppose, you know, use a cliche.
Every little bit helps. It's similar to the mindset that
some have as the AUDI way on, you'll be seen
or satisfied today. So if I see a white coat
MD with their license on the wall, when in fact
there's a lot of contributing factors that can make your
experience through the healthcare system easier, more timely, including what

(02:03:13):
you were talking about this morning.

Speaker 26 (02:03:15):
Well, I think it's also a team approach, Patty. So
I mean, if we have you know, the peer workers,
and then we also have you know, a licensed practitioner, nurse,
a nurse practitioner, And I think it's so on like
you don't always have to immediately speak with the m D,
you know. And I think that, yes, it's an integrated model,

(02:03:37):
but I also feel that there's definitely more opportunities to
give some of these healthcare workers a little bit more responsibility.
Of course, with more you know, we don't want anyone
to do anything more without produced pay. Of course, that's
something that I'm a fair believer in that everyone gets
what they deserve. But I think that there's opportunity here

(02:03:57):
even for schooling or for young people. People who have
young families. Maybe they want to be a nurse partitioner,
but the incentive is not there because they cannot afford
to leave their positions or to work do some courses
over time, whether is that be financed or whether that
be childcare. I mean, we need to sit down and
talk to the people to find out what is it

(02:04:19):
that we can help with to get you to do
what you want to do as well.

Speaker 24 (02:04:23):
That's certainly a piece of it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
Absolutely, Sarah, I'm going to sneak on one more compet
I appreciate your time and wish you good luck out there.

Speaker 26 (02:04:29):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:04:30):
You're welcome.

Speaker 24 (02:04:31):
Bye bye, great day, Patty.

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
You too, Sarah, Bye bye. Last word this morning goes
the line number six going Ron.

Speaker 12 (02:04:36):
You're on the air, Yes, Patty, we're getting close to
the end. They're Mary Brown Center. Did you know they
were going? Cash was founder for the regiment?

Speaker 20 (02:04:48):
No?

Speaker 4 (02:04:49):
For everything?

Speaker 2 (02:04:50):
I guess, yeah, I heard rumblings. I didn't know that
was actually a thing that's been announced, but you're telling
me it is.

Speaker 27 (02:04:55):
I guess, Okay, yes, I looked at it on the
Mary Brown's website and my body sent me a thing
as well.

Speaker 12 (02:05:01):
It's all reliable source.

Speaker 28 (02:05:04):
And it looks like parking is more like a public
service announcement now for people that might be going, it's
parking all the concessions, maybe the vending Not thought you
said the vending machines. Maybe, but like say, basically, if
you go to Merry Brown Center, not only for the hockey,
but I guess for anything, it's debit, credits, Apple pay

(02:05:26):
whatever like that. And I don't know about the fifty
to fifty yet. I'm gonna check with the box office
now when the open at.

Speaker 4 (02:05:33):
Twelve and.

Speaker 27 (02:05:36):
The parking at the parking rush. So you know, I'm
just picturing, like you know, talk to a few abouties
about it, and he's like, you know, sometimes the machine,
like everything goes down where you had collars this morning,
like you said yourself in your house, you try to
text him here at texting thero. So if the systems
go down like it'd set you know, whatever woul happens.
Sometimes it's gonna be a bit crazy. And I understand

(02:06:00):
the efficiency of not having people counting the cash and
speeding up an efficiency and all that stuff. And in
the article it says their following suit a little bit
with some of the major places like on the mainland
and stuff like that. But you know, just because of
mainland o it. You know, But I see the efficiency
part for the organization because I'm a coming out of

(02:06:21):
the gate here with the boys here. This is very
professionally ran what they're doing here with the regiment. You know,
I got my ticket secured for the first game and
that and the yeah, but this heads up, like when
you want to send your kids down for a bag
of popcorn or go about your fifty to fifty or
not take the money.

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
Yeah, you know, for plenty of people. I can't speak
for the operations at Mary Brown Center, but when you
have so many different outlets selling pizza and hot dogs
and popcorn and water or ice cream in fifty to
fifty and what not, that I'm going to guess there's
maybe what fifty different floats of cash in operation exactly,
so that becomes an issue as well. I would But Ron,

(02:07:01):
we're actually due for an update from the leadership at
Sageohn Sports Entertainment. I can add this to the list
you've had the last word. I hope you have a
great weekend.

Speaker 12 (02:07:08):
Thanks Patty, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:10):
Thanks for by bye bye, all right, good show today,
good shows all week big thanks to all hands and yes,
we will indeed pick up this conversation again on Monday
morning right here on VOCM and big Land FM's Open Line.
I'm behalf of the producer David Williams. I'm your host
Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun, happy weekend talk Monday.
Bye bye

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