Friday August 8th

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Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
so much for tuning into the program. It's Friday, August
the eighth. This is open Line. I'm your host Patty Daily,
David Williams. He's producing the command with an edition of
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six twenty six. So she got a ton eighteen year
old Toronto nator Vicki Mboco National Bank Open Champion Amazing
Stuff three set thriller yesterday Naomi Osaka, who's a four
time Grand Slam winner. It's her first title and the
WTA and a one thousand level event at that first

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Canadian ever to beat three Grand Slam winners in the
same event. She came into the year rigged outside the
top three hundred players in the world. She came into
the event ranked eighty fifth in the world. Now she's
going to be twenty fourth in the world when the
ratings are updated, I guess on Monday. So congratulations to her.
Pretty exciting stuff. Oh, bench Elton one on the men's side,
I watched the match. It was amazing. She lost six

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to two in the first set and came back to
win it all six to one of the third. Just
pounded Osaka and talk about sore losers. Usually when you
hear from tennis players after a final, they're very gracious.
First thing out of the mouse, congratulate their opponent and
their team. Da da da da. It's all very caught
and dry. Her copy and paste last night. Osaka never
even mentioned Tombaco in front of her home fans. No

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congratulations on often doctor, coaches and the ball boys. Hope
you had a nice night by so pretty bad look there.
But anyway, congratulations to young Andboco eighteen years old WTA
one thousand winner. All right, Canada Summer games here we go.
Now there's going to be some traffic snarils, and we'll
try to give you some information as it becomes available
about where you may indeed see a snarl or where

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indeed there might be some roads closed. But there's an
opportunity today to welcome the athletes from Newfundland and Labrador
on their way to the athlete's village. So they're going
to congregate at water for Valley high in the parking lot,
hop on the bus and make their way to the
Athlete's village, which is a Memorials campus obviously Memorial University.
So they'll be there around four o'clock. I think they're
leaving water Ford Valley around ten two four, so we'll

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see how quickly you can get there. But you have
a chance to welcome the athletes, coaches and the mission
staff as they begin. There are games a journey, so
hopefully it's a roric success and hopefully the weather conditions cooperate.
Let's get into it so you don't need to tell me.
You don't need me to tell you about the wildfire situation.
It is pretty dark out there. There's smoke with a

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low cloud ceiling here this morning, very smoky. Certainly can
smell it distinctly right outside of our studio and probably
where you live today. So there's a bunch of stuff here.
So apparently there's going to be some federal support in
the former military and Coastguard, which has been granted by Ottawa. Good.
We talked yesterday about the potential to jack up the
fines for people ignoring the fireban, and I will concede.

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People like having a fire. That's why I have a
fire pit in my backyard, but at this moment in
time is probably one hundred percent ill advised to do
anything like that. So the fine was seventy five bucks.
I heard the premier yesterday and I thought it was
a slip of the tongue because I was listening to
the radio after I left the building yesterday. Maximum fifty
thousand dollars fine. So beyond being the doing the right

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thing and not having a fire, a fifty thousand dollars fine.
I don't think they figured it out inso far as
the legislation goes quite yet, but that's a huge sum
of money. So let's just try to do the right thing,
all right. A couple of quick notes, So let me
talk about personal responsibility. I've seen this floating around on
social media. I've been tagged several times about exactly this.

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So it's a video coming from a dash can and
a car following along, this little silver sedan, and they're
slowing down looking at the smoke and their heart's content barns.
While this is all going on, and you can see
the smoke quite clearly in the video, the driver of
the vehicle, just out of the blue, sticks his arm
out the window and flicks what his cigarette bought out.

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I mean, maybe people are just oblivious, or maybe it's
just the habits that we people get into, including myself,
but we just can't do that. Just think about the
people who have been evacuated and the people who are
fighting these fires. And there was plain as day watching
this smoke driving down the highway. Out the window goes
the cigarette. But let's try to not be at that.
A couple of notes regarding water bombers, so we can

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talk about the fact that the province did not dealing
with the fifth water bomber that was damaged back in
twenty eighteenth. Absolutely fair conversation to be had, and it's
good to know the New Brunswick call sent over three
water bombers and the Feds are evolved, but when you're
in an area where the water bombers are trying to refill,
it's pretty important for recreational boaters to just stay away
because of course there's going to be things like ocean

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swells or potential waves even in a big lake, but
even the waight left behind by your boat can't be
a problem, so I'm told by our water bomber pilot.
So this was a message they wanted me to pass on,
and we certainly appreciate the work they're doing on that front.
For all the volunteers who are working on these issues,
whether it be with receiving evacuees and are working with

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the wildfire suppression crews, how about some retailers around the province,
if they can provide their idea as a volunteer firefighter,
let's give them some discounts. Let's do something there, because
this is a lot I'm hearing from people who are
working their full day on their job to then go
suit up and tackle a wildfire as a volunteer. So

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maybe the retail sector can maybe consider let's just show
my appreciation. It's not that long ago people were standing
on their front Porsch bagging out pots and pans in
appreciation for the so called front line worker and or
truckers or whatever the case may be. Maybe these volunteers
could use a little help as well. Last one on
the fires, we could take it down from any angle
that your so inclient is. For the police who are

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investigating the suspicious nature of some of these fires, let's
help them too, because just imagine knowing how dry it is,
and you don't have to be a meteorologists to understand
how dry it is. All you have to do is
walk outside. If there's people purposely setting these fires, what
starts out as a small brush fire can become an
enormous wildfire and see people evacuated, lose their homes, and

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potentially harm to human life. Maybe someone's going to die.
So if you know who's starting fires, call anonymously, call
crime stoppers, do something, because this is outrageous. It really,
truly is. The bombarded with emails on the same sentiment,
if you want to take it on, let's go. And
of course communication and a once stop shop for information
during these types of events is critically important. We've had

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many conversations on the program regarding cell phone service here
and it's deteriorated, notably in many parts of the province.
There's obviously lots of dead spots. Period. There has been
a ruling by the telecommunications regulator, this RTC about shared infrastructure.
We didn't know whether or not the federal government would
amend it or abide by it, but they're not going

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to amend it at all. So the big players are
going to have to provide service to customers using their
fiber network built by their arrivals as long as it's
outside their core service area. This important stuff. I mean,
we talked about monopolies in this country, whether it be
in the grocery business and or the telecom business, or
whatever the case may be. The opportunity to have more

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and more competition to possibly potentially reduce our rates, which
are extraordinarily hot compared to the rest of the G twenty.
We'll say this is probably a very good ruling. Now,
we can't expand the conversation to a pilot project last
year down the Joe Highway to ensure that it's a
Wi Fi hotspot for all the right reasons. There's ten
more of these areas going to be covered this year.

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I'm having a devil of a time finding out exactly
what ten they are. But how do we actually put
pressure on the big telecom companies because I'm frustrated like you.
There's parts of the city of Saint John's, the capital city,
and the province in Canada where I can't get cell
phone coverage. It's remarkable. So we can talk about five
G or the number of people are using particular towers,

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what have you. But in these emergency situations, these potential
crisis situations, we're paying pretty hefty bills for spotty coverage.
And for some people listening to the program this morning,
they can drive ten minutes away from their home and
have zero coverage. So we can take it on. But
go down Ottawa for holding up that CRTC ruling on
that front. Okay, well one second, I this quick sip

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of coffee. All right, we're back. Mentioned yesterday that there's
comments coming from the Royal Luflant and Constabulary regarding the
fact that they need more police officers. To have a
full compliment when we talk about the number of officers
per one hundred thousand citizens, and we could break it down.

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I didn't think it was unto war to talk about it.
Because at the exact same time, when polled and when asked,
people feel less safe. The stats kind of their numbers
show that crime is increased in this province. The cops
themselves talk about more calls for gun calls, home invasion,
serious assaults, the drug related issues in the province. But
at the same time, when I mentioned what is simply

(09:31):
coming from the associations, what about other disciplines that are
part of criminal justice and maybe in crime prevention. Social
workers was one discipline that was mentioned to me. Of course,
you know, whether it be a shortage or gaps in
the system, whether we're talking about healthcare or criminal justice

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and or prevention of crime. Absolutely we're not ignoring one
set of professionals or another. Absolutely not. In fact, we've
had people representing social work on the show, which operate
across the gamut in so many different areas of life.
Social workers are an important cog in the wheel. So
I'm not trying to ignore one group or another, because
when we identify a shortage, we all need to put

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forward our voices to ensure that the political pressure is
brought to bear so that these things are short up,
whether it be the shortage and social workers the demand
on the social workers, the caselow that they carry, the
shortage of psychologists here and the professor's a lot of
areas that we can focus in on and including education.
Had a good chatter day of Lamb, the new president
of the NLTA, talk about the money's put forward for

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some additional four hundred professionals working in the K twelve system.
It is, of course the summer months and people are
loth to want to talk about fast tracking back into school,
which is right around the corner. So we can absolutely
take that out from any angle as you see fit. Today. Oh,
speaking of back to school, I want to make sure
I get this out there. Today is block the bus
today twelve to four the Village Shopping Center in the

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parking lot all of the Single Parent Association of Nwfulanda Labrador.
Daniel Seward from the Associations prow on the show The
Morning Show a couple times this week. The numbers of
people asking for support for supplies to go back to
school is overwhelming. Focusing on whatever age group that you like,
but certainly in the older students, whether it be highlighters
or things that they may indeed need to go back

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to school it's amazing to hang my head on the
highlighter thing because I heard Danielle say it. So if
you have the capacity, if you have the resources, and
you're in and around the villagehopping center between twelve and
four today, please do indeed drop off some school supplies.
Isn't it something else? Isn't it quite a dire statement
to know that hundreds and hundreds of families in the

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province they don't have what it takes to send their
kids back to school. And that's not a condemination or criticism.
That's a reality. So there's hundreds of people hoping for
your support here today. So if you can, and if
you're around, please do indeed consider making that type of
donation to the Single Parent Association so we can block
the bus and get kids set up for back to school.

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All Right, had an interesting email, and I thought a
very thoughtful one regarding how the province spends money on
every front, But this one was about the Boston office.
It's a good question. I don't know if we have
a status update available at this moment in time. I
think it's probably a pretty good idea if we are
in areas where we're trying to expand opportunities and partnerships.

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And on this front, it was all about economic partnerships,
which obviously is important. But at the exact same time,
and I'll put this out there again, other provinces in
the country are doing the same thing. But they're not
only talking about economic opportunity. They're talking about recruiting and
actively and ferociously trying to recruit healthcare professionals. British Columbia

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is at it. They're talking about fast tracking our credential
so they can be boots on the ground very soon
after you arrive in the country. We do know that
there's some conversations regarding healthcare professionals in the United States,
academics in the United States, and the possibility for them
to bring their expertise and the professionalism to this country.
So I am going to try to get a status
update from that Boston office. You know, we can talk

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about the money that it costs to operate that office,
but what the returns might look like are probably pretty important.
So we'll see if we can't get you something on
that front. Oh so yes, sad we talked about the
gift cards skyhas and some people say, hey, Patty, everyone knows. Well,
apparently not everyone does know, because there's reports of upwards
of four million dollars a gift card fraud reported just

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last year, and that's when he scratched the surface. Not
everybody's gonna report this. Now. There's a story in the
news today about Costco gift cards. So apparently these are
digital cards. I think they're called a shop card. Costco
doesn't accept every credit card. I don't think they accept
visa right. I try not to go to Costco. My
wife goes. We buy from Costco. So apparently people are

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loading up these digital cards and lo and behold, they
go to use them and they're drained. There's a legislation
covering a lot of things that credit card fraud and
debit card fraud. But for these massive companies like Costco
to have to fight then, because it's not your control.
They're the one that's told you the card. It should
be up to them to ensure that the card is
full when you go to use it after you put

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a couple hundred bucks on it or whatever. People are
fighting for refunds. It's a bad look. It just is
a bad look. And on that front, I do have
a bunch of people, you know, talking about the amount
of shoplifting that goes on and people being stopped and
asked to show the RECEIPD and open their bag and
all that kind of stuff after they've used a self checkout.
If you want to use a self checkout, fill your boots.

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I'm hopefully going to be on the side where look,
if I have one item and there is one cashier
open with a line of four people, I might indeed
scan my honey Chris Bapple or put it on the
scale and off I go. But I do think that
that level of customer services and roding right before and again,
if you like using the self checkout, good for you.

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But you know, there's a lot of jobs I think
if you count up the amount of retail outlets across
the country, and yes, it doesn't require job for people
to install and to maintain these types of self checkout systems.
But I get a lot of people pretty passionate on
that one. And last one, you know, the whole by
local business everyone was on board, not everyone. A lot

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of people are on board with the bid domestic at
one point, whether it be made in Canada or product
of Canada. Is that still ongoing or has that kind
of slipped people's attention when they go to the shop.
I think it maybe has. But anyway, all right, last two.
We can get into the trade negotiations and all the
thirty five percent tariff and all that stuff. But I

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see a lot of people on social media talking about
what we are are or are not doing in this
country as far as the Prime Minister goes regarding fighting
back or the old foolish catchphrases of elbows up the
reciprocal tariff bit like, are we really thinking that that's
the best idea? I mean, if there were some additional
expenses associated with the export of energy, whether it be

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oil or hydro electricity, or whether pe podash whatever, I
get that. I understand that conversation. But the base misunderstanding
in many people's minds about these tariffs is making it
very difficult to understand if we're on the right track
or not. A tariff imposed by Canada on the import
of American goods is paid by the importer. It's the

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base understanding of how that actually works here. Countries don't
pay them, importers pay them. So if we bring in
whatever from the United States and the person or the entity.
The company that imports it pays the tariff on it.
Some of it might be gobbled up by the importer,
some it might be reduced prices based on manufacturing coming
from the United States. But by and large that's just

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an additional expense. So as opposed to doing everything possible
to find different and expand into different markets, which is
probably the right thing to do here, is just imposing
a bunch of new tariffs is not really doing a
whole whole lot in so far as furthering the opportunity
for trade deal. I don't know if we're the right
track or not. We don't have much in the way
of updates from the federal government here. Maybe it's best

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done in quasi silence. But begging for more and higher
tariffs impaused by this country is just kind of asking
for higher prices for a bunch of things. So that's ongoing.
Very last one. I promise a couple of difficult conversations
this week, including one such conversation yesterday, and that has
made its way into Oh, I'll say, hundreds of emails overnight,

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and I try to reply to most, and that's about
jobs and who's taking jobs and how jobs are supported
by the federal government. We had a conversation with a
Conservative Member of Parliaments yesterday, Garrett Genius, and talking about
employment numbers regarding youth in this country. And the numbers
are high, no doubt about it. And then it's the
thought that people are being paid by the federal government

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to take these jobs temporary foreign workers. The federal government
doesn't subsidize temporary foreign workers. They just don't. There's tons
of job programs out there, and we can break it
down into this province. And I look, if you can
show me something that says that I'm on the wrong
track or I don't have the right information, I'm happy
to do it and I will correct myself happily here

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on the show. But there's no direct federal wage subsidy
for a temporary foreign worker. It's just not a thing.
In this province. There are wage subsidies, a wage subsidy
of up to twelve hours for twenty eight weeks within
a forty two week employment period, a sixty percent subsidy
for the first fourteen weeks, and an eighty percent subsidy
for the last fourteen weeks. That program is Taylor iiO.

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Canadian citizens and permanent residents, temporary residents who could be
eligible if they hold certain work permits. Then there's other
things Student Workplace some programs five thousand bucks for employers
who hire students, seven thousand for those who are what
they call unrepresented groups, including newcomers. There's things like the
Canadian citizens and immigrants eligible for the Digital Skills and

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Youth Young Canada Works program. They are for people who
are temporary work visas way permanent residency and not pardon me,
or who are not eligible to participate. So people need jobs,
and we cannot allow for the private sector to play
footloos and fancy free with things like labor market impact assessments.

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But when it comes to federal money, specifically for a
temporary foreign worker, there is no wage subsidy. So we
hear it all the time. And this is not about
the goods, the bads and the hiring practices. Local companies
should absolutely strive to hold to hire people locally, of course,
but when it gets lost in the swill or the

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swirl of social media, there's actually no wage subsidy federally
for a temporary foreign worker. Just important to put it
out there if you're so inclined to talk about it.
We're on Twitter or vosm opleline follows there email addresses
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great show to wrap up the week that can only
happen with your participation. Don't go away, Welcome back to
the show. Let's go Lan number three. Jeff, you're on
the air.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Hey, good morning, Patty, Good morning. I just wanted to
call in this morning because on my way to work,
I've witnessed two guys smoking a crack pipe and also
past I took a couple of pictures. Actually I passed
an enormous they were. It was kind of they were

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in this little all cove and it was just, I
mean really littered with I would say at least twentyth
thirty needles and all the paraphernalia that goes with it,
plus garbage. Recently, there's been some discussion about in the news.
There was a guy that actually I believe someone called

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in not too long ago, child experienced the same thing,
and and people are starting to really voice their concern
on the issue, like they said, other social media and
some people have made great points about it. One of

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the points made was is that needles and paraphernalia shouldn't
be given out unless there's a designated area to use it,
where the you once they're finished.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
I'm sorry, can you say that again? There's a bit
of a breakup in our connection here this morning. Just
start that point again, please, some people that.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
The free needles shouldn't be given out unless place to
use it, and then the needle stuff can be disposed
of once they're used at a designated injection site.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
I guess so basically your suggesting that the best play
would be a safe consumption site.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
I mean it has to go hand in hand. I
mean we can't live in it that is full of
medical waste, with drug addicts openly using drugs all across
the metro. I mean that's not a reasonable way to
go about it. I don't think.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, listen, no argument. I saw a bunch of discarded
needles just a couple of days ago and one of
my favorite trails to walk, and of course it's unsettling
and it's sad, so for me, just a couple of
comments and then of course you can take it away.
I have no work of the idea if the needles
that I saw on the ground, were bought, stolen, or

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were given out at a needle exchange program. I don't
know the thought of the safe supply of needles, or
whether it be pipes or whatever the case may be.
Here's my point, and I've said it many times and
I'm going to stand by it. Is a drug user,
a drug addict using intravenous drugs. They are probably not
going to make any very many good decisions. So that's

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why they throw the needles on the ground. And if
they don't have a clean needle, they'll use a dirty needle.
So I get why people have concerns or have consternation
associated with safe supply of things like needles. I don't
condone safe supply of drugs because I don't think there's
such a thing a safe consumption site. As to your point,
I think makes a lot of sense. It's the same
way where you have to say, for instag around methadone,

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you have to go to the methadone clinic and in
the appropriate approach, you have to be supervised to take
your methadone as opposed to take it out on the
street and sell it or whatever the case may be.
So I get where you're coming from but safe supply
of things like a needle. I don't actually have a
problem with I don't many people do, and I understand
their are issues with it. But the drug users are
going to use whatever needle they get their hands on,

(23:43):
clean or dirty. I just think that's kind of how
they operate in their minds.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
How about you, well, I think that the safe supply
of needles, which is happening right now, the provincial government
provides drug users, no question asked, with a full wellness
kit that includes needles, cracked pipes, condoms, you name it.
It's quite a significant amount of gear that is available
to anybody at any time at specific locations throughout the city.

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So the increase in discarded needles is a one to
one relation to that. If there weren't available needles, of course,
the needles that drug users did have would have more
value to them and they just wouldn't be discarded in
the same way. But because there's a endlessupply of free needles,

(24:34):
what we're seeing is a tremendous increase in discarded needles,
which is a public health and safety concern. So while
I understand that a public health concern for people who
use injectable drugs. There's also a reciprocal public health concern

(24:55):
in regular people going throughout their day to day that
are exposed to a growing amount of discarded needles. And
the city does a great job, by the way, if
you call them come clean it up. I've had to
do that several times, but they just can't keep up
with it. The amount of discarded needles being is increasing,

(25:17):
and so without a safe injection site where these things
can be collected, I feel that the program should be stopped.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
That's my feeling, Okay, I can accept that. You know,
in addition to maybe more and more needles are associated
with the fact that they're free, that might indeed be
part of it. I think another part of that conversation, Jeff,
is more and more people who are using intervening drugs.
So I think it's both. How about you, drug.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Use is on the increase. I do believe that as well.
Would you say a lot of times before that giving
out free needles prevents the transmission of blood borne disease.
I feel that if you're a hardcore intervenous drug user,

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your chance of having a bloodborne disease it's one hundred
percent because there will come a time when you don't
have a clean needle and you use a dirty needle,
and so I would say a majority of hardcore intervenous
drug users are already hepatitis and HIV positive, and so

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that giving out of mountains of free needles, really, I
feel is ineffective in that regard as well. I just
don't feel like it's an effective approach. But I could
accept it if there were a safe injection site where
this waste could be collected once it was used, that

(26:47):
I could live with. But right now what's happening, I
just can't live within anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
I can do. I can get behind safe consumption site.
And it's not only about the discarded waste like a needle.
It's also maybe to prevent someone from overdose, in which
is part of it. I think if you look around
at some of the data regarding safe supply in this
case needs, and you also mentioned condoms, which is an
interesting case study because if you look at jurisdictions where

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there's easy access to birth control, which is also the
prevention of STDs, then numbers are way down, way down.
If someone get their hands on a condom for free,
for instance. I think there's also plenty of data support
that the clean needle the swap programs Doucy not an
elimination of risk, because there's no such thing in this
world about eliminating risk for someone who's making bad decisions
as a drug addict. But there is a reduction. It's

(27:36):
a risk mitigation strategy, as opposed to pretending that all
the free needles means that no one's ever going to
get hepatitises, Because you're right, there are many blood borne
diseases already being carried by plenty of intervenous drug addicts.
There's no doubt about that. I think the strategy is
to try to reduce the risk, because how many needles
can you buy for what would cause for someone to
be admitted to hospital? Just one person with hepatitis. I

(27:59):
think we can probably give out a lot of needles
at the exact same cost as one night in the
hospital for someone with hepatitis and or any other blood
born disease. But ultimately I'll close with this, and then
I'll give you the floor. I don't argue your summary
point at all. Safe Consumption site makes a lot of
sense to me, whether it be about needles and or
overdose and or variety things, keeping the drug use out

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of the lane ways, out of the vestibules, of the ATMs,
out of wherever. So I think we're both in the
exact same church and pew on that one. Playgrounds, playgrounds, wherever.
That's right. I wasn't going to list every single example,
because you're right, Yeah, playgrounds and parks and vestibules and
lane ways and alleyways wherever people are using in front
of the general public. If we could reduce that as

(28:45):
best possible with a safe consumption site and good Smaritan laws,
that don't mean you're going to get busted because you're
using a site that is safe, then I think that
makes sense to me. I think we're on the same page.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, we're very close to I feel that's right. I
think I think I take a little bit of a
harder line than you, but that's fine. I don't begrudge
you your view, and I'm not one hundred percent attached
to my view either. I don't know if I'm right,
because ultimately, remember the call that you had the other day,

(29:17):
Orlando Ryan. Yes, I lived in the same neighborhood as
Orlando Ryan, and so we have a disproportionate note of
people experiencing homelessness, and with that comes all this, and
so I experience it. I experience it every day, multiple times,
and so I have a greater level of frustration with it,

(29:40):
And so that might be the reason why I have
a slightly harder line than you, because I'm I'm just
kind of sick of it. In closing, I do think that, like,
if you're going to give out these needles, they should
be done on site and then disposed of because you can't.
You can't mitigate one health public health risk by creating

(30:04):
another public health risk. It's just one one dozen, one
cancels the other.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, they need to operate separately. I agree with that
one hundred percent. And your lived experience makes up how
you think about these things like everybody else, and I
don't regrudt you what you see and think and feel
on this line. I appreciate the conversation and the respectful
discourse here this morning, and again I think we're very
close in our thoughts on it. And I live in
a very sleepy, quiet East End neighborhood, which if you

(30:35):
don't have to be on the street, you probably don't
go on my street because it's just in the middle
of a little block of streets close by school. But
I can tell you right now, I saw someone shooting
up in the little sleepy park behind my house last weekend,
the first time ever. So that was enough to kind
of set me back. But so I can only imagine
how it is for you and Rolanda and others who

(30:56):
see it every single day. Now do you No, I
can only imagine. It's not easy. I completely understand, or
at least I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
To always enjoyed cocking you. Patty, have a great table.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
I saying to you, Jeff, have nice weekend, buddy. All right,
by bye, I just get a break in when we
come back. Lots of time left for you. Look away.
Welcome back to the program. Let's go to lie number one. Sarah.
You're on the air.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Good morning, daddy, you have a wonderful goal.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Thank you, sir. Welcome back.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yes you spoke about the wildfires. Yes, I'm located out
there in Trinity Bay there in Gooseberry Cove and from
the high hills over air driving we can see the
smoke towering up over in Conception Bay. This is devastating
everybody in the that you talk to, and a conversation

(31:48):
that's bringing up about the fires and how you know
hot it is, and and Hurly had the week people
having fires and it's just unbelievable. And those are those
peninsulas that runs down everybody from the transcandler supposing has

(32:09):
coming this way or our cross time from us, they're
atchet Cove or or random all and the win is
usually west and sidewest wind of that. If it's above us,
we haven't got a chance. I say that most of
the people without believe in those places in bolts be

(32:31):
about the only way to get out of here. And
for people just that fires going backyard fires and everything, it's.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
If I don't know what they're thinking.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I have no idea. Yeah, I don't know if people
are just callous or oblivious or what the right word is.
But even just that one video I saw yesterday, I
know that people are reporting people are having fires, and
whatever the case we be, and it's probably I'm not
in the business of ratting people out, but it's just
too dangerous to be added. But that one video, buddy
just recklessly just flicking a spot out the car window. Thought, listen, really, man, seriously,

(33:09):
you're watching a wildfire right in front of your car
and you just flick your smoke out the window. I
just don't get.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Us, No, no, nobody else.

Speaker 6 (33:16):
No.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
They's talked a bit all the time, you know. You
you know, just going around the community, losts of times
you see people smoking and stuff and somebody a throwd about,
and you know, maybe we're lucky to just don't win
around the dry grass. But all those places here and now,
I don't know if it's all around that isn't right Brown,

(33:41):
it's just just branded up with the sounds. Is It's
just like just walking on a kyp it. So you know,
a fire could say it pretty easy, yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I mean there's some communities there who have asked the
residents to not use water for the car and the
lawn and that kind of stuff because the reserves are low.
We had very little many parts of the province. We've
had literally zero rain around here for quite a long time.
So I'm kind of surprised if you haven't heard more
about water consumption, how people use it. I mean, I
see some people in my neighborhood who they take away

(34:11):
pride to the property absolutely and they've got a pretty
lush green lawn and they got the sprinklers on all
the time. I'm not in the business knocking on their
door and ask them why they're doing it. I can
tell you right now my lawn is pretty crusty.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Yeah, well, Patty, you speak about debt, I have an artesian. Well,
there's only me and the wife here now. I got
my son Lai, who out the door there now filling
up one of those big baits because like they have
a dog will and it's down so low. This is
the second time here now in the last week, I'm

(34:47):
gradually putting water into debt to like you have it
on for fifteen minutes and a line during the day
and how to help to fill and fill the tab
anyway from to than they needs because he have him
and his white boneum are working and two young lads
and so you know, a while of the day go

(35:08):
through and they're trying to say every bit they got.
We haven't watched any carriers are read it this month.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, I mean I have an either box. Again, I'm
not trying to be self righteous, areah, because I got
my own problems. But yeah, there's lots of different angles
we can take on with this wildfire issue. And you know,
it's a funny thing. I haven't said it, and someone
told me I should stop talking about something that I
haven't said. But we've got to stop pretending that there's
not bigger things in play here, like what how the

(35:40):
planet has changed? I mean there's a climate change conversation
here too, even if people want to ignore it. And
the problem with that conversation from where I sit anyway, Sarah,
is every time someone dare mention climate change, people automatically
think carbon tax. You don't have to think about carbon
tax if we're talking about what happened, what's happening with
the planet.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Yes, that's true. Yeah, and we know I I'm and
spend a lifetime on the water and in the woods
and which is something I love to do, or moose
hunting or whatever. And we you know, anybody don't see
those big changes, don't want to see it. Well you
know what I mean. You just got the roy slothes

(36:18):
and saying no, that's wrong, but it's not. But anyway, Patty,
I call you this morning. We that we're going to
have a we call it raised the roof for a
little festival or guidance, Petty, whatever you might call it
Aaron Gooseberry Cold tomorrow starting around two o'clock, and it's
going to go into the late hours of the night

(36:41):
because usually after everybody leave the kids and everything, it's
going to be out there us. We've got a great
place to have it. We got a tennis coore playground
type thing and this all fenced off. We've got the
kids on one area and we're going to be selling hamburgers,

(37:02):
hot dogs and a little bit more self food. And
we're going to have a lot, a lot of prizes
that the home oudware places or should I say places
that sell home odware. There's not only one, but a few,

(37:24):
and from haircutting certificates to restaurant certificates and we have
all a bunch of prizes and we usually as a
good turnout this last few years a couple of years
that we've had it, and we're raising money. People don't know,

(37:45):
but we're raising money for our community center and we're
trying to trying to keep back on and do repairs
on the liv inning because I don't know. What I do.
Know I do is a little bit of traveling around.
I visit other places do that have have those festivals

(38:07):
and all the places if they got a little community
centers itself as a stign that disappear from people leaving
the communities, people dying off. Everybody knows that. And we're
trying to keep ours up and Ronald try to get
a few more years.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
That sounds aout right. We're talking about Gooseberry Cove, right, Gooseberry.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Cove down here in the week House, Southwest tim You
turn off the highway up in Northwest Broke and come
on down through hodges Gove and you come down here
to Goosbery Colve, Southport and you know, now, I know,
people make a mistake and there's a Gooseberryhove up on

(38:51):
the loop up in the same areas Bay and up
in that area, and people make the mistake and the
thing is set up there, but it's not it's down
there to set it down here in the southwest time
down here in Trinity Bay. And we've even had that
mistake made by hamils Is an ic EMP. And over

(39:13):
the last few years des wid day of wind when
called Lebon like last year we had a I don't
want to get into this too much. A person here
died that ICMP died at home and you usually call
me and they ended up as they went. They waited

(39:36):
all day for for the ICMP to show up, and
when they come to find it, that's we do it too.
Even over the years, people have phoned, they get a
tow truck and next thing, several hours after the callback,
I can't find you, And this is we're they be

(39:57):
into up in the Gooseberry Cove up there.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I mean, we almost got to start, you know, talking
about Gooseberry Cove and the area code a part of
me your pustle code, so that we break it down
to actually where people are. Same thing as civic addresses
for small communities. There's actually a very helpful kit available
from the provincial government that if you use it. All
that information we've put into the nine one one system
so we know exactly what we're talking about when we

(40:21):
dispatched a cop car or an ambulance or whatever the
case may be, Sarah, anything else quick before I have
to take off.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yes, okay, years ago I got the shelving this blog too,
not taken away from the last minute of funny our
festival we're having, but this ambulance thing, like we got
a lot of plannable nowadays, I guess run by the government.
People who've phoned for them. They've been ablewhere looking for
certain places and anyway, yeah, well anyway, it's stives up

(40:52):
at two o'clock tomorrow, Patty, and we're going to run
into the wee hours of the night. And we got
lots of things for the kids. Well, the kids is
gonna have free drinks, are freezies and all that that's
going to be free for the kids. And we're like
I said, we're gonna have lots of food, lots of drink,

(41:12):
and we got to this couple of things is not ours.
Now we're gonna have an ice cream trunk and a
refreshment type truck. There. That's two different young ladies here
is going to university and they got this time the
goal and they helped them alone. So we'd like for

(41:34):
people to come out and support them to like.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
They should appreciate the time. Seryl, have a nice weekend.
Good luck with it. Okay, thank you, you're welcome, sir,
Bye bye. All right, let's get a break in, don't
go away, welcome back to the show. Let's go at
line number two. Say good morning to the progressive conservative
candidate running in the upcoming election in Mount Saile whenever
that's going to be. That's our lines. And good morning Daryl,
you're on the air.

Speaker 7 (41:57):
Good morning Tati, how are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
That's kind thank you you good sir.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
Good Patty, Just quick FYI. Of course the deadline is
sign up for residence amuntsaide who want to vote the
nomination is eleven fifty nine tonight and the meeting is
going to be this coming Tuesday at the Pentecostal Tabernacle
Leron came out Road between four and eight. But you
have to be signed up tonight by midnight in order
to register. You got a pre register. But anyway, that's

(42:22):
not even the reason why I'm calling Patty. One of
our parents, Teddy, you know, I've been advocating about the
school situation in the Ketchman Eary and came out Terrace
for some years. One of our parents receiving an a
hip back, which paints even a bleaker picture than we
fare because under the government's current plan now when they
announced the new school, they're going to close Leary'sbrook Junior

(42:45):
High and Larcal Academy. And I was a former school
school council Chareboat, so I know about buildings and the catchmentaries.
So both those schools now have a thousand kids. The
new school government just broke ground on which miractlessly is
going to be built to tell us in eighteen months,
will hold eight.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Hundred and fifty.

Speaker 7 (43:02):
So we're going to close two buildings for one thousand
build a school for eight fifty. But on their government's
own projections, which one of our parents got in twenty
twenty six, when the new school opens, they're projecting kem
out Terraces to have eleven hundred and fifty nine kids
between you know, pre K and grade seven, which are
all going to go into this building for eight and fifty. So,

(43:23):
I mean I met with a group of parents last
night in our community here where I live in ken
out Terrace, and just you know again, as one as
one parent said to me, Patty, how does this make
sense to government? I mean, I want to say we're
begging and cleaving, but I mean people are absolutely exasperated
with the lack of answers and the lack of a

(43:44):
plan for how all this is going to work. How
are we going to you know, PRESI you know, put
over three hundred more kids over capacity in the building
it's only built.

Speaker 8 (43:53):
For eight fifty.

Speaker 7 (43:54):
I mean, I just I just don't get it.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
He neither. We've had those conversations even before the finalnnouncement
from the government, because we all have to remember this
newly proposed school. When it was first announced, we didn't
know what grades it was going to be four, we
didn't know how many people they were trying to accommodate
inside the building, so it was kind of felt like
a reverse engineered decision from start to finish. So and
even the school, the student in Roman numbers, we've been

(44:17):
talking about those before we even found out about the
grades that would be you accommodated in the school, before
we found out how many students they would this school
would be built for. So I don't get it. You mean,
if this is about price tag, then it's just going
to be more costly into the future if we underbuild here.
We've done it a couple of times in the recent past.
The relatively new school down Tour Bay not big enough.

(44:38):
You know, this school is obviously not going to be
big enough if there's going to be three hundred students
that are not being built for. So I'm not really
sure the rationale or the motivation here.

Speaker 7 (44:47):
No when even again by any tip one of our
parents Scots the department's own numbers, project're going they're going
to need something for eleven to fifty nine. And by
the time it is supposed to open in twenty twenty six,
I mean, it's not that far away. And again, as
I been same for some years, you know, came out
terrace amount sires not a retirement community. I mean, you know,
tremendous young families moving in and people uh you know,

(45:09):
building homes. I mean there's been a real housing explosion
up here. Houses have gone up with the housing crises.

Speaker 9 (45:15):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (45:15):
You know, people are excited to come their community and
we welcome them. But I mean people are rightly looking
for some sensible access to education and and I talked
to a guy last night and he said, well, he's
already got one Charley brings up to Elizabeth Park, but
you know, has to provide his own transportation because the
don't want to subject them to the overcrowding and other issues.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (45:35):
And again by by government's own numbers, uh, you know,
we're deliberately building too small again. And we you know,
I went to the announcement with other parents, and you
know the minister was there in the MHA and it
was all but we know what we're doing. Don't worry
about it. We got we got to handle on all this.
I mean, you know there was one of our parents
as an engineer, very bright ladies.

Speaker 9 (45:56):
Said, brought them to Matt, to Matt.

Speaker 7 (45:58):
I mean, it was it was a funny state, but
it was.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
It was.

Speaker 7 (46:01):
It was true because I mean, how can anyone sensibly
project this and patch you on the head and say
this is all going to turn out well when you
know our kids are going back to school next month
and over caught the classrooms, lack of green space, all
issues that our parents been talking about for years. And
the two existing buildings that are one of them is
really old, built in sixties, was supposed to be closed

(46:22):
the number of years ago. What we're going to close
to these buildings. They got a thousand kids in them
now and that's that don't include anyone moved in here
over the summer, you know, might have built a new home,
whatever took possession. That's not in these schools numbers.

Speaker 6 (46:35):
Now.

Speaker 7 (46:37):
I just don't get it, Patty, I really totally exasperated.
And when I'm talking to parents, you know, the residents,
people signed up for the nomination or whatever next week.
It's just, you know, Darrow, I mean what I mean,
you know, is government not listening? Is I mean, we've
been promised a new school for ten years and they
just don't seem to be just don't seem to be
going anywhere. And when you finally break ground, they're going

(46:58):
to build something deliberately so too small. So whether we
on day one we're gonna have portable classrooms or you know,
we're I don't know, Patty, it's just it's I'm like
you whites, just totally I don't get it. And when
when one of the parents share these new numbers, now
that you know the same date this is going to open,
it's eleven fifty nine. It's their own projections. Now, this
is not you know, Darryl Hines spinning up these numbers.

(47:20):
This is a government's document dirt projections is eleven fifty
nine and we're building fort fifty.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah, and that numbers is someone who the numbers only
going to increase too, because we've heard repeated the year
over yere the forecast is student enrollments in kindergarten if
they're guessing eighty or they predict eighty based on you know,
whether it be pre k or what is that program
a kinder start. So but then inevitably every year it's
more so that eleven fifty nine is only going to.

Speaker 7 (47:45):
I've talked to parents stone door to door who got
people wanting to move in here now in the community
because they think the new hospital may it gone. And
you want to be obviously for work employment, you probably
build a trail you'll be able to walk to a
new the new acute care facility if it's ever built here.
You know, it's it's it's going to be a big job,
which is going to put additional pressure on the school
and bring new families in and all that, which is wonderful.

(48:06):
And again i'm you know, I mean, I've met so
many in the past few weeks. I've met so many
new friends and neighbors and people throughout the district. But
it's and it's all wonderful. People are moving there for
different reasons, including the new projected Saint Clair's replacement in
the Cardiac Institute, which is supposed to go up there
two on Camut Crossing. But again it's by you know,
people are saying, derely, I gotta have someone to send

(48:27):
my kids. I mean, it's you know, it's it's anyway,
I will keep eating the drum. And some of the
Parent committee is still, you know, speaking out about it,
and I was pleased to play a small role with
them the past two years. But it's just I don't know,
and we're going into another school year and people people
are looking for answers and they don't seem to be
an here.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, and there's no shame for a government to go
back to the drawing board, like if they're using their
own numbers, even if you know. Sometimes I think politicians
and governments are loth to correct themselves when in fact,
I think that's misreading. The political team leaves if you
acknowledge that you're on the wrong track and put us
on the right track. I think by and large people
will say, as opposed to, my god, how stupid are

(49:05):
you to begin with Oh, okay, good, you've understood the numbers,
your own numbers. We're going to build to accommodate the
actual numbers that you're using as the government. That's a
good thing. So there's a political I'm not going to
say victory. But there's an upside here politically speaking, to
just go back and say, hey, we've reviewed the numbers
and this is what we're going to need to do
to build a new school in came mont Terras and
off we go. Okay, there you go.

Speaker 7 (49:24):
No, And look, no one got to monopoly on great ideas.
I mean, I've talked to parents up here, say look, Darrol,
maybe we need to just the catchment area to move
some of the kids in some parts of this district
to another school. Maybe that's the answer. Maybe we need
to keep one of the buildings to slave the clothes
open and reconfigure again. Now we've done that twice in
the past ten years that I'm aware of that I
was personally involved in, because and each time we were

(49:47):
told this would last ten years and we'd never have
to do it again, to be no more disruption, because
again they knew what they were doing. And you know
all the displacement and reconfigurations that's already been done twice,
you know, moving around grades, putting our grade nines down PwC,
which is you know, approach now a thousand kids getting
towards its outer limits of its capacity. But again I
don't see any plan overall, and I don't see any leadership.

(50:10):
But right the parent's been very reasonable. I mean I
went to the public meeting with other parents, about one
hundred people there last year, and people put four different ideas,
but again nobody not interested. I mean the government officials,
the bureaucrats there, the ministers. No, but we know what
we're doing. You guys got to buy into this, and
Earring's going to be Okay, Well there we are, we
going into another school year. The school is going to

(50:32):
be delayed. I mean, I know up there believes they
will be built by September twenty twenty six. I mean,
you're going to build a school for eight hundred and
fifty kids in eighteen months. So no, I mean, so
the short term is what are you going to do
in the short term? And again, let's have another public meeting,
but let's lay it on the table and see if
it's reconfiguration, if it's keeping the building open.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
I got interrupted things, but I do have to jump
in because I'm extremely late for the news. But point taking,
I appreciate your time. Have a nice weekend. You two
are thanks aboudy all the best. All right, let's go
ahead and take a break, take away, Welcome back to
the show. Just a couple of very quick notes before
we get to Heather on line number three. So, Tanna
Bay roberts public notice, water usage ban notice effective immediately.

(51:16):
So obviously this is something we talked about a little
bit earlier. So they talked about all of the things
like washing vehicles, watering lawns, gardening, fill in swimming pools.
All they're non essential water. So that's in the town
of Bay Robertson. We've heard some of those stories coming
from the Burem Peninsula as well. Just for your information,
let's keep going. Let's go to lne number three. Heather,
are you around the air?

Speaker 8 (51:35):
Hi?

Speaker 10 (51:35):
You there, Patty, Good morning, Good morning to you. I'm
calling from Freshwater in Conception Bay North, So we're next
to between Victoria and Curb near down in a little
cove now. So the smell is really strong out here.
There's lots of ash on the roofs and all of that.

(51:58):
It's quite disturbing. Now. I got a couple of questions.
Number One, who in government is in charge of sending
out the information to us so that we know what's
going on. I got my friend who lives in Salmon
Cove got his alert that he was waiting for on

(52:20):
the phone ten minutes after the men knocked down his
door and said, you have fifteen minutes to leave. Yeah,
they hadn't sent it out about three hours later on
my phone. This is not okay. So I don't know
how that all works. They send out an alert, do

(52:43):
they send it out to all of the cell phones?
How do they do that? Why aren't we all getting
it at the same time? Where are we getting it
so many hours delayed? So that was number one.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I'll respond to that because I'm in the same boat Heather.
In my office, there are people that live in Saint
John's that are getting alert base for fires that are
happening outside of the city. So it's an excellent question.
I'm not getting them. Someone pointed out a couple of things.
Maybe it's my carrier, or maybe when I get the
mercy alerts that are federal, everybody gets them. Apparently there's
some sort of registration with the province together provincial alerts.

(53:17):
I didn't know that wasn't even a thing, to be
honest with you, I thought, automatically, if I have a
seven or nine area code on my cell phone, which
I do. I would automatically get all the mercy alerts,
regardless of where it is in the province. But I'm
not getting them. So your question is valid.

Speaker 10 (53:30):
Oh no, And sometimes I get them and sometimes I don't.
And it's really disturbing when you're next door to you
know what's happening. So now here another example. Who's in
charge of this? So Victoria, which is the other side
of us, and so they are now on alert according

(53:55):
to the government website. But you have to go and
look right down almost to the bottom of their press release.
They don't even have it on their big yellow banner
warning you no fire updates. They don't have it there
that Victoria is now on alert. It's on a news

(54:15):
press release down at the bottom. It's not okay, that's
not okay. I should be able to look at that
banner and know exactly where the evacuation orders are, who
is on alert, and where the bloody fire is. And
here's another thing they've got. Here's a map of the
fires and this is sponsored by the Newfoundland government and

(54:38):
it says on the right hand side of this website
there are five active wildfires and there's four listed.

Speaker 8 (54:46):
On the map.

Speaker 10 (54:47):
Kingston Adams cove all of that area that's not even
in there anymore. It was two days ago. It's not there,
and so why aren't okay, so who's in charge of
sending out the information? And why aren't we Why aren't
they using radio? Cell phone coveragehair is atrocious? Why aren't

(55:12):
they putting it out on the radio? Radio doesn't ever
seem to be a problem.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, no, we'll be more than happy to share the information.
The website called the Active Wildfire Dashboard the provincial government's website.
I'm looking at it right now. One hundred ninety eight
wildfires this season, five active wildfires. But it's not really
very specific.

Speaker 10 (55:33):
I mean you can there's a map there that you
can see click on.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah, I can see it, okay.

Speaker 10 (55:38):
Kingston Adams called all that area that's not in there.
There are four listed on that little map, even though
it says five.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
It's a fair concern and for folks who don't have
that website in front of them, it's basically easier to
just google active fire or Wildfire Dashboard. Newfland, Labrador, as
opposed to the website, addressed that I can give out
but it's it's a long one. It's ArcGIS dot com
slash app.

Speaker 10 (56:04):
So our alert is coming. We're in between now. We're
the next community up from Victoria. They're on alert. I
don't even know if they know about it, because it's
not on the government website except on a press release
rate at the very very bottom. The next one, the
next community along the Veterans Highway is actually carb near

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with the hospital and a big population and lots of businesses.
And I mean, do they know that the community next
to them is on alert? This isn't good. The government
needs to come out at least every I want to
suggest two hours and say this is a new update.
The following communities are on alert and the following communities

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are on mandatory evacuation.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, and that's easily done. We don't need a press
conference every two hours, but even just some sharing of
information that I'd be happy to give out the news
one would be happy to give out in our regular
If I get an alert from the government about an
evacuation alert or order, I'm happy to put it out there.
They should use our medium for exactly what it's.

Speaker 10 (57:08):
There for, exactly, because everything else is so dependent on
a technology that is really really iffy, you know, the
cell phones and the internet. They can go down anytime.
Radio seems to be the most solid way, and they
use television and radio during COVID. I mean this is

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this is a lot more serious first for those of
us out here, you know, so anyway we need there's nothing.
The big yellow government banner doesn't say anything about this. Sorry,
Victoria being on alert and that's somebody's falling down. We're

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not getting the alerts on the phones, and we're not
getting it on the internet, and we're not getting it
on the radio.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Yeah, if you lose your power and you can't go
on the website. So this medium can be very helpful,
as it always has been for the course of decades.
So I'm happy to take information regarding these types of things.
I don't want to hear from the government down a
whole lot of things. But for this bit of information sharing,
we are happy to play our role, no doubt about it.

Speaker 10 (58:19):
Yeah, And I don't know who's in charge. Is it
Justice in public safety or is it the fisheries and
forestry and agriculture. They don't have anything. They don't have
anything on their website about this. At all except that
there's a fireban just to in public safety. I can't
find anything on it. So this isn't okay. Somebody is

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falling down on the job. Just let us know who's
responsible for the cell phone notices and for the notices
out to the public via internet, radio whatever. Somebody has
to be in charge, and I think they don't know
who's in charge.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Well represented at the press conferences or the Minister of
Justice then well John Hagey Lisa during the premium. So
those are the three ultimately responsible for this type of
information to be shared, and they should ensure that the
bureaucrats working in their departments are actively updating information, whether
it be on the radio or whatever the case we'd be.
And I'm happy to play my role, and Heather, I

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understand your concerned. I appreciate your time. Thank you, welcome,
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (59:20):
I hopefully can call again again.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
No prokay already bye bye? Yeah. I mean this is
concern We've heard many times about the timeliness of information,
how it gets shared. So I think Heather's on the
right track here. If there are updates that are required
to be shared immediately, because not everyone is sitting in
front of their laptop or their desktop or their tablet
all day long, refreshing a page, looking for updated info.

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We can get it out too sweet. I mean in
second flat, if I'm saying something that says for this community,
there's now an evacuation alert and talk about preparedness and
you know a kit that you can have at your
home data DA. We're happy to share it. You know,
asofar as protecting our own property. I've heard the minister
say this and I had to look at the website.
It is pretty helpful with some things that we might
not consider firesmart dot CA. So, but if government wants

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to share information about things like evacuation alerts and or orders,
we're happy to share that and pass along to you.
Let's take a break. We we back. Kathy's in the
you to talk about the comfort in win energy and
a couple of things. Don't go away. Welcome back to
the program. Let's go to line number one. Kathy, you're
on the air.

Speaker 11 (01:00:22):
I've had the area this morning.

Speaker 9 (01:00:24):
I'm okay, how about you good?

Speaker 11 (01:00:26):
Actually, I've been writing notes over the past couple of
months because I knew I was going to call you
one day. If they have to be today. The first
thing I'd like to mention is the Attorney General whether
or not they're going to go ahead with the vestigation
with the deal with the comfort In when it was
up for three point one million per se orbout the

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government least for twenty one million. But if she or
he investigates that, I would like to print in their
ear why don't they also have a look at trip
that he took with a belief he's something level I
believe it is level door just so happens to be
the owner of that wind Bye company. They got the

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deal to put the wind Bye so or here in
the New Fland. That's that's one. Do you agree with
that or not?

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Do I agree with what in particular, I'm sorry, the
trip itself or well the trip.

Speaker 11 (01:01:22):
Should do you think they should be investigated as well
as the deal for the comfort In.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Okay, let's take him one by one.

Speaker 11 (01:01:31):
I suppose should that be looked at again?

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I should say, I was going to say, because both
have been looked at. The trip up to what's what's
it called Rustling something or other? The John's Lodge up
and Labrador I can't remember right off the top of
my head, But yeah, I mean, I think that was
pretty widely discussed in the House of Assembly initially people.

Speaker 11 (01:01:50):
Were but it was done by a commissioner. Let's let
the Attorney.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
General do it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
But what this is just basically a question is what
is there to actually investigate, Because eventually, what should have
been done right off the bat was the Premier was
asked to provide receipts that he paid for his own trip,
because the thought was if he was being a guest
of Rizzli's, then that's a problem. But apparently he was
able to show receipts that he did indeed pay and

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his father paid for their own trip. So what specifically
could be investigated there?

Speaker 11 (01:02:21):
Where they get the contract to put the wind lines here?

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's bad optics, right, It's just
something people should be a bit more careful or cautious
about as elected officials. But I mean, there could have
been a meeting in the Premier's office, in his backyard,
at Risley's house, around his jet or wherever to get
up close and personal with decision makers like the premier.
So it didn't look good, But I'm not so sure
how you can investigate anything any further without you know,

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asking like, specifically, what would you like to know is
what rizzily said or what the premier said, or specifically.

Speaker 11 (01:02:59):
What well well a commissioneer, a commissionaier has investigated or
looked into its head an inquiry into it. Now, me personally,
my opinion is I don't believe it, and I'm sure
some of your listeners don't believe it, and seeing if
they're going to have an inquiry now into this comforting

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deal which makes no sense at all when he could
have buy it for three point one million releases for
twenty one million over the next three years. So someone's
not very dead, petty, and let's be about a scientist
to figure that one out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I've said it one hundred times. But me, I've said
that one hundred times. I've asked a specific question many
many times, because there's examples across the country where governments
have made decisions to buy hotels for a variety of reasons,
whether it be transitional housing or whatever the case may be.
But we didn't, and I've asked that question right from
the get go, is why are we leasing something that

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we could have bought the same thing with the costco building.
As to the Bangle Drive is so to a private country,
our private operator. We knew the province was looking for
a space for this new type of ablatory hub and
lo and behold, now we're leasing it, and we could
have bought.

Speaker 11 (01:04:09):
It, and am I sure was sure intake on it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Other than what I just said is if something is
if we're looking for something and we can buy it,
which means it's ours for the long term, that makes
more sense than leasing it because we do know that
we're going to probably have to renew that lease. The
province has got to be in this long term for
the ambulatory hub and or the comfort in So my
thoughts have been pretty clear on that front. I think

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we should have looked and pursued buying property, not leasing property.

Speaker 11 (01:04:40):
I'm glad you agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Well, I've said that in countless times.

Speaker 11 (01:04:44):
Okay. Now the other one I wanted to do is yeah,
just trying to pick them home reading.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
He don't worry, I can't read my own writing either.

Speaker 11 (01:04:58):
Okay. Now I'm going to go back to Truder. When
he was in I got him, he stated that he
didn't force anyone to get the vaccine get.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Vaccine this well, technically, technically that's true, but that's a
split in hair.

Speaker 11 (01:05:16):
But he did shut down the nation.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Well, most of the restrictions that anybody experienced in this
country was at the behest of premiers.

Speaker 11 (01:05:27):
Okay, but the thing is, Okay's premiers or whatever. They
just let's take the premier of Alberta. She got on
TV and she apologized to the province or the country
of Canada. She apologized to the people that were unvaccinated
for the way they were discriminated against. I don't know

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if you can recall that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Yeah, Daniel Smith, I thought, but I mean that's that's
kind of easy picking politics, so isn't it. I mean,
she was not in charge when any of the restrictions
were being imposed, and it's it's I think also reasonable
to point out that the Conservative Party of Canada was
talking about restrictions. The Conservative Party of Canada was talking
about vaccinations. Conservative premiers including Jason Kenny and Doug Ford.

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We're talking about vaccinations, We're talking about restrictions. So to me,
it really feels like people are trying to paint that
as only liberal leaning people and or liberal officials were
doing these things, when the fact of the matter is
Aeron o'toll was in the commercial with drug Meet sing
and Justin trudea't talking about vaccination. Doug Ford talked about vaccination.
Doug Ford talked about restrictions and shutting down stuff. Same
with Jason Kenny. And those are pretty two staunch conservative.

Speaker 12 (01:06:37):
People I know.

Speaker 11 (01:06:38):
And actually doug Ford he was not long ago seeing
don't get chiven vaccinations. You know what children, you know,
they get the most strongest immune systems. You know, do
is which feeds me to my next thing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Well, just quickly on the children being vaccinated? Are you
talking about COVID? Are you talking about the regular suite
vaccinations that we all got?

Speaker 11 (01:07:07):
Probably all because you know something I wouldn't. I wouldn't
take a vaccine like dependent on it because I don't
know what's in it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Well, you wouldn't take, say your children or your grandchildren
to get, for instance, the MMR vaccine, the mom's measles
and rubella vaccine.

Speaker 11 (01:07:24):
Do you know something that's my children's children and they
can decide for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Sure I would. For me, I would have my children
vaccinated against measles all day long. It's been used for
so long and we understand exactly how that works. We
understand exactly how effective it's been. So there's a reason
why there's a measles outbreak in this country, and in
the United States there's a couple of unbelievable hotbeds of
measles outbreaks. I think it's, you know, vaccine skepticism has

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crept into a lot of people's minds, and I understand why.
I've never got so sick of talk about anything quite
like the COVID vaccine, but things like measles. I mean,
I'm not sure where there's a new found concern with
that particular vaccination.

Speaker 11 (01:08:05):
Okay, now they're saying, okay, but when we were in
school and we got the vaccines, were they were they were.
It didn't take overnight to come out with the vaccine
for them. They worked on there ten, eleven, twelve years
or whatever however long it was. But real where you
you know Maderna? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yep?

Speaker 11 (01:08:27):
Okay, did you know you've checked this? Did you know
that that's a small branch owned by Wisner. Now Maderna
didn't even come out with nasprin, and all of a
sudden they're coming out with a vaccine. Now, I'd like
your listeners and ask themselves how is their help since

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we were vaccinated, because I would really like to I'd
really like to hear the replies because people I'm out
to talking to, and I've talked to a lot, and
there's damage done.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Some people have had adverse effects to the vaccine, no
question about it. There's actually a vaccine injury compensation fund
at the.

Speaker 11 (01:09:09):
Federal levels action against them, and so there should be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Okay, But I mean, let's just step back one second
on that one too. The uptake COVID vaccination in this
province was in excess of ninety percent, So I mean,
if we're saying that everyone who got vaccinated has some
sort of adverse effect, then that would mean over ninety
percent of the population would have said adverse effects, which
is obviously not happening. There was true, there's billions and

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billions and billions of doses of the vaccine have been
administered around the world. And while people are telling me
it killed more people than it helped, well, the fact
of the matter is the population is growing. So I
don't quite buy some of the exaggerations associated with vaccine injury.
Are there some one hundred percent through our No doubt
about it. There's a side effect potential for every vaccination
that's out there known to man. But the way people

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talk about the COVID vaccination dropping people dead where they stand,
I think some of that is pretty exaggerated, just given
some of the numbers that we just discussed.

Speaker 11 (01:10:03):
The Okay, uh, now getting back to that again, I'm
not saying, uh that every batch of the bars they
come in were something in it from uh doctor about
you or conspiracy whereveryone to take. But there were four
doctors in Ontario working in the one clinic. Four of

(01:10:26):
more ordered to take the vaccine, and one was to
all athletics, all young, and one was try try tryathlon,
you know. Uh. And now do you know what I did?
I got the name of the clinic. I called because
you know, I questioned myself too, right, I called, sorry,

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he's deceased and o PP. That would be one of
the sternest police forces in Canada. Now you've got four
doctors dropping dead in the one clinic.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Yeah, I don't think that's actually be true.

Speaker 11 (01:10:59):
To be true, is not the kind of let that slide.
They would investigate that to see, geez, you know, something
something's going on here. We can't have four doctors drum
and they had four young doctors one clinic.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
That probably requires a medical investigation versus a police investigation.
I don't think that's proven to be true. And also
when you talk about Maderna and Pfizer of their relationship,
Maderna sued Pfizer because Pfizer said that Maderna copied and
stole the vaccine information from them. Maderna actually sued Pfizer,
which is an interesting twist to all of that, Big fireman,

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and I don't.

Speaker 11 (01:11:34):
Believe it to come on your own.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Tracks, I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
They actually file suit in court.

Speaker 11 (01:11:39):
I think the first one they come out, Yeah, and
then they had to be refrigerated for a certain periods.
On the follow we meet saying no, they don't need
to be refrigerated.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Some had to Yeah, no question.

Speaker 11 (01:11:53):
And Trudeau was on TV when he get his vaccine.
He showed them if I was behind him, I will
pushed him out of the way and I will say
I'll take what you're giving him. Now he gets a vaccine.
Every time there was a controversy or a scandal going on,

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he always claimed, you, hey, okay, COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know what that has to
do with anything today. But we also have to remember
that this was a global issue, right and the vaccines
that were taken by Canadians it.

Speaker 11 (01:12:28):
Was man made yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Also that really I don't know what that has to
do with any other.

Speaker 11 (01:12:33):
The fact of the matter is because the once populashed,
the population had to decline because there's too many There
was too many populations under Earth, but the population grew.
The Gates and guil Bates, he was on a talk
show and he said, whether it's through natural causes or vaccinations,

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the population has to decrease.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
It doesn't matter what Bill Gates said, because the population
of the planet has grown since twenty twenty, regardless of
the pandemic, regardless of the vaccine pardon.

Speaker 11 (01:13:06):
People are still listening. They're listen to CNN and UH
and you do have some good topics, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
I got to say on your on your on your show,
But people listen to CNN and it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
Listened to you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
If you were I don't watch CNA.

Speaker 11 (01:13:27):
No, no, if you weren't, And that is another thing.
But I couldn't be reade that Fury actually got on
CNN and had a discussion with him on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
What was that about?

Speaker 9 (01:13:36):
Again?

Speaker 11 (01:13:36):
I can't remember Fury with on in TV with CNN
on one side the screen. Thank if you having a
conversation with CNN. I cannot believe for the life of
me that a CNN reporter would contact Fury a New
Fland and I don't even know where New Fland is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Yeah, so dog forbus on again. I'm not sure what
that really has to do with anything. I mean, Doug
Ford's but on Fox.

Speaker 11 (01:14:07):
But did you see that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
I don't know if I saw it. I don't watch
and I don't watch cable news. To be honest with you,
it was on in TV. Okay, Well, well, the NTV
is on lugger By Road. Why would it be an
issue for the premier to be on NTV?

Speaker 11 (01:14:23):
He wasn't okay, it was just I was making a point.
The point was why would CNN call the premier of
New Fland, Like I said, they don't even know where
New Fland is?

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Well, I think they probably do.

Speaker 11 (01:14:39):
Well, they probably do, but why won't they call another
province a bigger province but more population than I don't know?

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
So what a very quick thing I'm saying.

Speaker 11 (01:14:50):
A Fury called CNN. Maybe he did give it out there,
no doubt. Why don't he called CBC what's that? Or
anyone else? You know, the new Flanders are glued.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
CNN hasn't been out of my house for quite a
long time. People try to go on venues where they
get the most eyeballs. It's why Mark Karney went on
with Russey's face. Stephen Colbert, I mean, that's just how
politics works, that when they talk, they want to be
seen by as many people as possible. So if that
means Fox or CNN or MSNBC or John Stewart or

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Stephen Colbert or Jimmy Fallon or whoever, that's what they do.
I mean, that's however one operates when they're trying to
get suppresed. Is they try to get the most eyeballs
and or ears and or fingertips so that people hear
what they want to say. That's pretty much kind of politics,
one on one, and they all do it, Conservatives, liberals, Democrats, Republicans.
There's no new science here behind trying to be heard.
I got to get going, Kathy, but I appreciate your time.

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Hopefully have a nice weekend. Okay, take care all right,
but but I have no idea what time it is
for break, but we're taking one. Welcome back, let's go
Lene number two. Keny around the air's.

Speaker 9 (01:16:06):
Not hello ken Oh sorry, Petty, didn't hear you there,
No problem, Hi, Petty, I'm just calling. We're having a
fundraising event up here in Bali in south on the
Southern Shore tomorrow. Okay, Petty, what we're what we're doing
is proceeds for the upkeep of our harbor thorty facility.

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Last last fall, Patty, we had bad storm as everybody
can remember. Anyway, we had a lot of storm damage,
wharf damage, so we got it mostly mostly repaired and
everything through the small crafts and harbors of course. Anyway,
this is our second year now we're having a fundraiser.
So what we're doing, Petty, We're having a barbecue and
some ticket spins. We're gonna have live music, local bands,

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a lot of artist music. Uncle Jack they called, and
with a lot of a lot of stuff donated from
local busines is around and there's a new boat tour
company operating out of there, so they'd be running back
and forth to Great Island there. There's only ten minutes
from the dock. There's just five minutes off of the
routen Ball in South Betty, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
That's what exactly is going on.

Speaker 9 (01:17:21):
There's a fundraising event, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
I'm just wondering what the event looks like. What are
people going to see?

Speaker 9 (01:17:27):
Well, we'll be having ticket spins there and the barbecue
now hot dos and hemorrys for the kids, and you
can go around the beach there and and you know,
play whatever, and could probably be some capling in around
to see and hurrying and macro coming in there, and
there's docks around and there's just little things to see

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there in the community.

Speaker 8 (01:17:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Yeah, fair enough. So is there a price tag for
the repairs that are needed?

Speaker 9 (01:17:54):
Well, we we had a fundraiser last year was our
first time and last year, Patty, we think we raise
probably fifty five hundred dollars. Is really well and it
is basically for the upkeep of the whole facility, you know,
keeping slipways going for recreation fishers and this kind of stuff,
and the upkeep of the wharf because small crafts and
harbors what they're doing. As long as we can show

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that we're profitable, we can maintain our herbor authority because
what's happening throughout the federal government now, Patty, is they're
they're looking to take that's been taken out a lot
of the harbor thorties because of the expense. So if
we show that we're profitable, we can maintain and keep
our wharf because we don't want to lose our warf
horror community because it will never return, you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Know, Petty, Yeah, absolutely, So what level of support is
there from small craft harbors?

Speaker 9 (01:18:42):
Is they're doing really well the best they can. You know,
there's always well, all the harbor asthorities are always looking
for money, you know, so we put in, we asked
stuff and we get to somewhat so whatever whatever. Normally
what's happening is what they say, would they they'll give
us somewhat money and to harbor throaty ourselves, we'll probably

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match it and whatever they can supply, so we supprise
on our own.

Speaker 12 (01:19:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Yeah, Well, listen, good luck with the event. Hopefully it
goes over gangbusters.

Speaker 9 (01:19:13):
Yeah, it's a wonderful little community, you know, and people
don't know they passed right by Tourse Golf and they
don't know the turn off and to drop down and
see the three communities and three orders there. People are
amazed when they come down and have a look at it.
You know, it was off the beating trail.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
You know, I've been in there. It's beautiful.

Speaker 9 (01:19:31):
Yes it is. Yes, it is in these coast trails
there too. So people walk up to the walk up
to the bridge. There's half an hour walk and the
weather is gonna be great. It's great something for the
kids to do, you know, and get out and get
a bit of fresh air. And it's going to be
a really good event.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
It sounds great to me. Thanks for telling us about it, Ken, Okay,
talk to petty. Things good. You're welcome, sir, Bye bye.
All right, and speaking of events and fundraisers, so just
some information for those who are considering going to the
Block the Bus event at the Village of Mall this
afternoon between twelve and four. Any concerns with the smoke
and air quality, what have you. All of the family
fund activities have been moved inside, so you'll be indoors

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at the Village Mall making your donation and away from
the smoking conditions that we're experiencing at this moment. Okay,
let's see here, let's go and take a break. Will
we come back. Plenty show left for you. Don't go ahead,
welcome back to the show. Let us go line number four.
I thinking him on to one of the candidates running
for an at large council position here in the City
of Saint Johns's, Miles Russell and Miles around the air.

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Hello Miles on line number four? Did I click that right.

Speaker 13 (01:20:34):
There?

Speaker 8 (01:20:34):
No prob I was talking to adjust myself in my office. Hey,
you doing today, Patty?

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
Ah, okay, that's good.

Speaker 8 (01:20:44):
Well, hey, let's talk about something you know a little
more lighted spirit. Let's talk about traffic calming. I've been
going around all parts of the city with my campasing team.
We've been meeting with people in every edge of the
city where the it's ken Mount Terrace on the east
end and a lot of the major roads. A lot
of people have questions about traffic coming and the process
that the city has or how a resident or a

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community gets traffic coming. I'm not sure if youre familiar
with the process at all, are you?

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
If I'm familiar with thought in particular, sorry.

Speaker 8 (01:21:15):
The process of how residents would ask for traffic coming
from the City of Saint John's.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
No, I don't know what the process might be, but
I do know that I hear from plenty of citizens
who are looking for traffic coming measures to come to
their neighborhood.

Speaker 8 (01:21:28):
Yeah, so you know, there's a lot of residents that
ask for traffic coming and it's a multi year process
and it does not have a high success rate. Essentially,
what the city does is they will do a multi
year They'll they'll come out within a couple of years
upon a request with a significant number of residents requesting it.
They will then observe the traffic and then they'll ascertain themselves,

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kind of in a closed loop, whether a road is
deemed necessary. And you know there's a lot of design
aspects that need to change for that, you know, for
it to be an implementation that works. So, for example,
up on Ladysmith's Drive, you know, the road is significantly
wider than your average road, but there's a what's called
a perceived speed that the road's lanes are very wide

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because of the on street parking. So it's an intracting party.
I've been talking a lot of residents how the on
street parking that's not used is a factor of speeding
up cards. So you know, the city likes to lean
towards speed bumps and these speed cushions so that metro
bus can kind of get over the bumps a little better.
But they're not super effective and they do not work
in the winter. So what's been I don't know, if
you're familiar with trails and drive and paradise. Paradise has

(01:22:35):
been starting using these vertical delineators.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Yeah, I've seen them. They look like they make sense
to me.

Speaker 8 (01:22:41):
Yeah, so what's really good. So what's good about them
is they actually slow down traffic and they're proven. So
what these end up doing is they constrain vehicles horizontally,
so you take larger vehicles and essentially there's a visual
thing like if you drive on a highway has a
concrete median, the median has to be able a meter
away from the lane or people start to slow down
even though there's no a real risk. So what you

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end up doing with these little delineators, these vertical bars,
they constrict it horizontally so that people aren't worried about
hitting a bump. So that's you know, that usually benefits.
Larger vehicles can hit the bumps faster, so there's not
all vehicles slow down the same way, But these constrictions
slow down all vehicles by just simply choking the lane
down to the minimum problems. They don't work in the winter.
So I've been talking a lot of residents about temporary

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concrete in infrastructure, very cheap to install, very cheap to build,
and actually having that as a permanent function the city
does so if a community requests traffic coming, simply put
it in and also doing more long term planning for
all of our new roads that are going out in
south Lands and ken Mount teriffs are still getting larger
and we have an uptake. So in the suburban parts

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of Saint John's usually at the peak we have to
go fifteen percent of the on street parking is used,
which means the fast majority is empty, which makes people
drive faster. So I've been talking to residents even in
South Lanes with a couple of roads where when there's
no people parking the street, people are flying up and
down the road and the city's process for analoging that
does not look at perceived speed.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Yeah, just a quick one for folks who don't know
what we're talking about. A vertical delineator is simply the
modern day pylon. So as opposed to being something like
a bullhorn. It's just basically a very potentially tall cylindrical
basically a pylon.

Speaker 8 (01:24:24):
Yeah, it's a little flex post. A lot of people
call flex posts oll. So yeah, and you can hit
like not that you should, but they're not built to
be a physical impedance that will actually damage a vehicle.
They might scratch your paint if you hit them like
a plow or a large tractor. If they need to
overrun them, they can they they you know, it does
cause damage to the units. So it's you know, they're

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not designed to be hit all the time, but they
aren't there as a physical barriers if you strike one.
These aren't meant to like bring up a car solid.
They are meant to do this thing like there's a
big part of traffic calming where it's all about perceived speeds.
It's why highway lanes are wider and why you know,
people drive faster the wider lane is. And this is
something I think the city needs to address because when
I talk to residents on all these large roads, I

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bring up the fact that the roads width is the
big factor and if we can choke down the width
even with just you know, whether it's these vertical flex
posts or concrete like Jersey barriers with just a sign
on it, they can be a any permanent but all
winter option. Because what we're seeing now is like say,
up on Ladysmith, they've the city Saint John's removed all

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of the speed bumps and has not put them back
in because the school is getting built and they want
to maintain traffic spacing so they can still do traffic
coming on a much cheaper, much more broad level. And
like I said, the policy that the city has is
they do not do traffic coming on more than about
a half dozen to maybe two dozen roads a year.
But if we were to use in a temporary system

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with these flex posts and with concrete barriers that we
can put on masks all over the city, we could
have traffic calming all over the existing city. But also
we do need to change the way our roads are
built so that future roads we get better getting built
aren't basically dragstrips, because that's what we're seeing all over
the city. Even if there are a couple of people
I was speaking to the other day, as I was

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chatting to them, one of these Spartcan cars did a
burnout in the street right behind us, and it's like, well,
there's the point.

Speaker 7 (01:26:16):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:26:16):
It's like this person has no incentive to not drive fast.
So it's something that I think is an important topic
play that everywhere we're going we're hearing from. Obviously, there's
the housing crisis people are talking about a lot. So
I think the traffic comming aspect is something more residents
I think would be more in tune with if they
better understood the city system, because it's not very transparent
how the city goes about selecting. You might have a

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group of residents say, hey, seventy people on our street
of one hundred, we ask for traffic coming. The city goes, great,
give us a year or two to come out to
do an analysis. They do the analysis, and most of
the time the city says, no, you guys don't meet
the threshold.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Yeah, and there's some roads they does not explain fair enough.
There's some roads that you can't actually impose traffic coming
measures other than say, for instance, radar and your speed
to be displayed. You know, there's primary roots from force
or swounders, those types of things. But the couple that
I'm no expert in this field I'm not an expert
in anything, but the curb bump outs. They don't make
any sense to me at all because I drive a

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particular route home. Look for instant new Flann driver. They
bumped out the curb all it means that I passed
by the vehicle going in the other direction closer. That's it.
It doesn't make anybody slow down. Sometimes the bumps, I
think do But for me, what slows me down more
than anything else is when there's a screen flash of
my speed. I mean, I don't feel that they need
to be rushing around because you only I'll see it

(01:27:31):
the next red light if we're talking about Saint John's.
But that slows me down, I think more than anything
other than a curb bump out or a speed bump
down the road, or even a vertical delineator of which
Sarah McDonald drive this morning because they're doing roadwork or
Ryan painting or something other. But you can feel that
slowing you down. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:27:48):
It see interesting you bring up those little the little
wide art detectors that display your speed on them. I
also noticed like people do slow down for them. And
there's a funny reason why. It's because what is your
private speed is publicly displayed. It's kind of like a
I don't know, I don't want to say shame, but
it's the seeing it. Like we can all see our

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speedometers in our cars, so if someone's doing a little
over speed, no one's gonna notice. But now all of
a sudden you're driving by and it says you're doing
sixty four and a fifty, Well now everyone sees that
you're doing sixty four and fifty. So like they do
certainly help. What's interesting with those bump outs, Patty, is
what the city is trying to do with those when
sorry a curb bump out, Like say, when they narrow
the road down at an intersection. The intent there is

(01:28:29):
to at critical points where you know, they want cars
to slow down at intersections. The goal is to again constrict.
But the other part that's interesting, Like I'm up here
in Airport Heights, so right in front of around colleague school.
They do have that done for the cross lock, which
is great, people still speed on it, and in the
middle what we if you go there, you know, chances
are most of the time there are not two vehicles

(01:28:50):
crossing the crosslock at the same time. So what ends
up happening is the car that's going, Oh well, this
curve is get closer. I'm just going to go in
the opposite plane. So those drive in the middle of
the like in the middle of the lane, which is
what nice scene Parabise putting in these little flex posts
in the middle of the lane as well as on
both sides. That's like a forcing of a slowdown. Now
it is only instantaneous, but it is it is an option. Yeah,

(01:29:11):
those lighter detectors are really nice too. I'd love to
see more mobile ones because what happens when you know
you're used to the same one every time, Well, everyone
just slows down during that and then you continue on.
Has anybody been on talking about the city Saint John's
the provincial government's ticketing system now the automatic ticketing system
and from a couple of schools.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
We've had a couple of calls on this, and I
think that's probably proactively, probably a pretty good thing. Miles,
we've hit eleven one and fifty five seconds. I give
a couple of sectors wrap it up before I do, unfortunately,
have to go.

Speaker 7 (01:29:42):
No, that's it.

Speaker 8 (01:29:43):
Just again to remind people the election is on October second.
Lost candidates out there, feel free to look sold up.
I'm an open book. Anyone can reach out whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Thanks much, Betty Man, appreciate your time. Have a nice weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
Thanks you too.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Miles Russell run for an large console position. Let's take
a break for the news. Let make it back. There
was a call her their talk Fixed link loves me,
a bit of fixed link talk, and then a couple
of reactions to a particular call from yesterday. Don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Welcome back to the program. Let's begin this, uh this
segment on liner ROSA Good morning to a town councilor
up in Wabbush's also the NDP candidate for Lab West.
That's Shazia Razzi. I hope I pronounced that properly. Good morning, Shazia,
you're on the air.

Speaker 6 (01:30:40):
Good morning, Patti. Thank you. You did pronounce it right.
Most people don't.

Speaker 8 (01:30:46):
So kudos to you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
I'm glad I hit it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:49):
YEP.

Speaker 13 (01:30:50):
You did.

Speaker 6 (01:30:51):
Thank you for having me. I am the MDP candidate
for Labor Or West, as you mentioned, and i'm running
from Or, so I'm really proud of that, but I'm
not calling for that. What I'm calling for is I
heard your show yesterday and I had I heard one

(01:31:13):
of the lady from Saint John's. She called and mentioned
about Muslims taking over, and I mean, that kind of
sentiment is extremely dangerous and problematic, and therefore I'm calling
regarding that. So I do want to as a Muslim woman,

(01:31:37):
and as a Muslim woman in uphiline Laboror, and as
a Muslim woman who's a representative for mm HM, for
Warbush and for Laboror, I'm in a public eye and
it is important for me, especially to debunk those false narratives.

(01:32:03):
So I do want to point out some of the
things that she said. And I'm not going to name
her because I don't want just like for myself, I
don't want hatred for myself, I don't want it for
anybody else. I think she was misinformed and it is
important that she hears our perspective as well. Yep, So

(01:32:26):
she mentioned a few things.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
She mentioned.

Speaker 6 (01:32:31):
That we have a growing immigrant population and Muslims coming
in and they will have sharer law. Now, I do
want to say that you did a good job. You
did a great job at you know, calling some of
those misinformation and outright lies and correcting her on those.

(01:32:52):
So I will not go into the population numbers and
how that's not possible, but I will go into some
of the things that she mentioned, like cultural assimilation. She
said that Muslims don't culturally assimilate into our culture, the
Anglo Saxon culture, and I it is, it's not. It's

(01:33:21):
a very regressive way of looking at it, and to
be frankly, to a white supremacy ideology that has been
seeping in. What cultural assimilation basically means is to the

(01:33:41):
minority community coming into a culture and taking over the dog,
adapting to the dominant culture. Now, you will go on
and some of the political thinkers and sociologists will tell
you that that's not what we look for. What we
look for is cultural accularation, and I mean cultural An

(01:34:06):
example of cultural assimilation is residential schools. We don't want that.
We want our cultures to be a bridge between two
cultures and sharing the ideas and ideologies and working for
something that's better. The other thing that she mentioned was

(01:34:33):
she implied that since and and she was mentioning, you
know the names of the mosques that are in Saint
John's and those kind of uh and and and you know,
fear wngering, those kind of phobias are dangerous for not
just the community the Muslim community in Saint John's, but

(01:34:55):
also across New for Len Laboror and across Canada. We
have seen arise in hate crimes and and anti Semitism
and in Islamophobia across our country.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
Since two thousand and.

Speaker 6 (01:35:10):
Nine, you know, it has increased by one hundred and
fifty percent, and since COVID it has increased by sixty
seven percent. We have seen the Tibet mask attack, We
have seen anti Semitic rhetorics in Toronto, in Alberta, and
we don't want those things happening in Montreal. We don't

(01:35:32):
want those things happening in Newflin Laborer. So when she
says that because of Muslims, the hate crimes and domestic
violence in New Palin has increased, there's no data that.
This is not evidence space at all. There's no data there,

(01:35:55):
there are no experts who would say that, yes, domestic
violence has increased. And I am on the board for
Labor or West Housing in homeless coalition.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
I work with Hope Haven.

Speaker 6 (01:36:07):
Here in Labrador, and I can tell you that that's
nothing to do with a community. That's more to do
with one people women being more educated, and two post
COVID that's happened more so often. So there's no evidence

(01:36:30):
saying that an immigrant community comes in and that's the
reason why we have more crimes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
The fact is that there's lots of data out there
that shows quite clearly that newcomers of the country are
far less likely to commit a violent crime than born
and raised Canadians. And that's not saying that's the actual status.
So people can like that or they can take me
for saying it, but that's the actual numbers.

Speaker 6 (01:36:55):
Yes, absolutely absolutely, And they have been where studies done
in US where they say that in fact, people want
to move into immigrant communities because there it increases the
education standards and and there's less crime. Like you said,
so yes, absolutely absolutely, And then you know also she

(01:37:18):
also stereotyped us women, uh saying that we can go
outside without men we have we are not allowed to
mingle with the men. Now, that's that's extremely problematic, extremely
and that is because you probably would go into a

(01:37:40):
clinic and have a female doctor.

Speaker 8 (01:37:42):
There are so many.

Speaker 6 (01:37:42):
Proiraticians in Saint John's that are female pediatrics and and
dyeacts and uh, you know, we have doctors and nurses
and teachers who are Muslim. So to categorize us and
and to you know, just put us and that that

(01:38:03):
regressive mentality of box is unfair to the efforts of
all the Muslim women across who are striving and making
a difference. As a Muslim woman and as a an,
I am the first Muslim woman to be ever elected

(01:38:24):
in Uchulin, Labrador for any electoral office. I am extremely
proud of Warbush because as having almost one hundred percent
white population or Anglo Saxon population, they chose not to

(01:38:45):
look at my color, not to look at my faith,
and voted for me. And and I'm extremely proud of that.
And I want to let people know that a lot
of women, especially Muslim women, are doing great things. So
that is a very false narrative. Now, you know, like
any other country, any other culture, any other people, we

(01:39:07):
have good and bad people. We'll always have that no
matter where you go. But to label us all across
as being extremists and bringing Sharia law, and you know,
encouraging those fear and phobia and fear mongering is not
going to lead us anywhere.

Speaker 14 (01:39:28):
So to all your viewers.

Speaker 6 (01:39:31):
Who are listening, if you don't know our Muslim family,
I invite you to know one.

Speaker 8 (01:39:37):
Because you'll A. You will get good food. B.

Speaker 6 (01:39:40):
You will get to know that most of these people
are the kindest people, the most welcoming people you will
ever come across.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
YEP, across the landscape of men, women, different backgrounds of
faith and countries of origin. We of course know exactly
what you said is that there will be bad people
from all walks of life. But to generalize and stereotype
everybody as being that bad person because of one headline,
one event, wone attack is just really kind of dominates

(01:40:11):
a lot of people's thoughts as opposed to, you know,
a little bit more critical thinking that not everybody is
that way. Not every priest is a pedophile, not everybody
question Israel as an anti Semite. Not everyone talking free
Palestine is a member of Hamas. We've just got to
do a better job talking about things from a realistic
standpoint as opposed to something that stirs up fear or

(01:40:32):
evokes emotion or grabs a headline or things like that,
because that's really where a lot of conversations have gone.
Public discourse has really changed. Even in the short time
I've been on the show. Actually not short time, it's
almost fifteen years. You know, things have really changed and
how some of these big life issues get discussed. Some
of it I think can be drawn not maybe a
direct line, but a very squiggly line. But it's the

(01:40:53):
social media because when people live in an echo chamber,
that's how they're going to think. And that's kind of
human nature. Brain and the eyes, and the ears and
their heart are easily fooled.

Speaker 6 (01:41:05):
Yes, true, and social media has paid played a very
detrimental role in encouraging these kind of fears that people have.
You know, we have a declining population and we need
immigrants to come here and grow our economy. We need
them and they need us. This this is a mutual

(01:41:26):
relationship that we are going into.

Speaker 8 (01:41:30):
Whether we there's.

Speaker 6 (01:41:31):
Nobody coming in to take your jobs, they are actually
working in your service industries. So that we as newfound
lenders and Canadians and labororians can enjoy those things that
we are enjoying. Those are low paying jobs, and those
are you know, with most people don't generally want to

(01:41:56):
go into low there's it's a good starting point, but
most people don't want to stay in that role for wrong.
They want to move ahead of the ladder, up on
the ladder. And therefore, I mean, those jobs need to
be done by somebody. And therefore, you know, people coming
in and as you likely pointed out, you know there

(01:42:17):
are people coming in fleeing war, fleeing repressive regimes. So
we can just to you know, say that we don't
want these people. We want these people because that's how
our economy will grow.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
Just a couple of quickers, because I really do have
to go things like comments about Canadian values and assimilation
and whether it be support for the LGBT community and
whether or not they're welcoming in the mosque, and the
socialization with Canadians who are white or from different ethnic
backgrounds beyond from a Muslim country. And I mean there's
one some countries on the face of the earth that

(01:42:56):
are predominantly Muslim, but they don't they're not governed by
ash real law. So I think there's just maybe some
misinformation or confusion out there about some of these things.
So what do you say if someone says, well, what
about a newcomer who's a Muslim or Hindu from India
and Canadian values and things like protection of rights for women,
protection of rights for people who are members of the

(01:43:16):
LGBT community. How do you answer those questions if and
when questions like that are posed to you.

Speaker 6 (01:43:24):
So those questions and I you know, from my own
personal experience, I'll just talk about that. Here in Lamoror,
we have we have a good Indian community, and I
mean we are extremely good with each other. We have
get togethers together, we have pot lucks together. Uh, they
come in for our eat celebrations. We go there for

(01:43:49):
the Vali celebrations. So I mean, it's only a matter
of you making that effort because sometimes, you know, what
happens is as a newcomer, there's so many things going on.
There are so many issues that you're dealing with that
you know, trying to fit into your in your head,

(01:44:11):
the idea of what cultural assimilation looks like might not
be you know, the priority for them. For them, the
priority might be okay, getting the job, getting a car,
getting a house, getting their kids into schools, and you know,
making life affordable for themselves. So for those people who
do not know enough about immigrants, a go out volunteer

(01:44:37):
with organizations that work with immigrants, like your Association for
New Canadians and others, you know, and get to know
these immigrants before making a blanket judgment.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
I really appreciate your time and the email that you
sent along. And I will say this live on the air.
Was part of the email exchange we had. Is you know,
I'm told in different corners when calls like that yesterday
is cut them off or shut them down or look,
I don't know what the right way to do this
program is, even though I've been doing a very long time.
I choose to engauge in hopeful conversations versus just an

(01:45:14):
attempt to put people in their place, or to cut
them down or to shut them out or whatever. I
don't know if that's right or wrong. It's the way
I've chosen to do it. It gets me some hot
water sometimes, but I just feel if this is a
show where everybody who has a different opinion than mine
gets shut down or denied access to the program that
I'm doing a disservice to the show, to the station
and myself so but I appreciate you making time for

(01:45:35):
the show and you're always welcome. Thank you, Take good care,
Bye bye. Yeah, it's tough racket. All right, let's take
a break. Clock it back to the show. We're so
close to the news break that I don't want to
short change any of the callers in the queue, including
Adam wants to talk a bit of fixed link. There's
another call we'll like to respond to. One of the
calls we had yesterday, something about the Outering road and
one of the off ramps, and then an issue with

(01:45:56):
someone have a problem getting home flying home? We do
you know that there's some potential flight disruptions in the
offing if and when there Canada can't reach a deal
with their flight attendants, which is something that I haven't
been following very closely. But on another topic regarding union relations,
maybe I just missed this what has been the outcome
of the Canada post Or deal because I know they

(01:46:19):
were forced to vote on it, which is also fairly
problematic if you're in the organized labor world or unionized
employee to be tall because we've seen many examples of it, right,
people legislated back to work or working at the ports,
people legislated back to work who are working on the rail,
and now forced votes coming from the actual labor minister
at the federal level. So if someone can fiel me
on Canada Post, I've kind of lost track of where

(01:46:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to LNE number three.
Good morning, Jen, you're on the air.

Speaker 14 (01:47:06):
Oh hi, Patty, good morning. I wanted to call in
because I'm a big theater officionado as you know, and
there's lots on the go in the province this weekend.
Wanted to just chat with you a little bit about it.
But also I've got four tickets to tomorrow's come from
Away performance at two o'clock in Gander that I've got

(01:47:28):
one of those damn summer colds that's turned into bronchitus
and I can't go. My family doesn't want to go
without me, and I figured, gee, it might be a
nice pay it forward if maybe one of your listeners
would like to use them for free. So if they
want to call in, I'm happy to connect with somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
I think Jack Dahl and gerofl Abigail would like to.

Speaker 14 (01:47:49):
Well, there you go. That would be lovely. Anybody who
would like to have them. I'm happy to pay them
forward at no cost because it's such a beautiful show
and I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
I can't go.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
It really is, you know, sometimes how do I couch this?
Sometimes things that are produced that are inherently noofie. I
know people hate that word, including me sometimes, but comeform
way is endearing. It's lovely, it really truly is. I
enjoyed it immensely.

Speaker 14 (01:48:20):
It's inspiring, exactly right. And this is a whole new
production than what you can see on Apple TV. Like
it's Jill Kylie and the local team here have just
i mean, really knocked it out of the park. So
it's just an experience. And you know, tickets aren't cheap,
so like I'm very happy to like pay it forward
and see if somebody wants to use them.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
So good on you, Jen, you can count those tickets
as gone.

Speaker 14 (01:48:44):
Okay good. So what I'm going to say, though, what
is I'm going to say to you is people in
Saint John's and they have Lumpinslotho. Give me a chance
to pump some of the local things. I am the
chair of the Shakespeare by the Sea Festival and we
are closing our thirty third annual season today. We have
a show at in Perchance this afternoon. It's a kid's

(01:49:07):
show called Bottom the Weaver. It's happening at one o'clock
and because of the air quality conditions, the wonderful folks
that Perchance have moved that inside in the Marion Hall,
so folks can head out for that as well. Our
final Shakespeare show is closing tonight. We perform The Merry
Wives of Windsor for the very last time at six

(01:49:27):
o'clock outdoors on the deck of the Alt Hotel, which
is an absolutely gorgeous venue overlooking the harbor. And it's
the first time we've had a bar set up for intermission.
So I love that show, not least of which is
because my husband's in it too and he's very funny.
And then, of course, perchance Theater also has their show

(01:49:50):
Every Brilliant Thing on tonight at six o'clock as well.
They're also putting that one inside at the Marion Hall.
And while you're out in Conception Bay in that area,
Cupids actually has a free show on at the Legacy Center.
It's called A Place to Call Home, Living Heritage at Cupids.
That is sort of a historical interpretation show. But it's

(01:50:13):
written by Trudy Morgan Cole, directed by Sharon King Campbell,
stars some amazing professional actors and that goes on Wednesdays
to Sundays, three times a day at eleven, one and
three o'clock until Labor Day weekend. And that's the Cupids
Legacy Center for.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
Free lovely that's to be at.

Speaker 14 (01:50:34):
Okay, well, thank you so much, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
Happy to do. Dave wants me to put you on
hold for a second and you'll speak with David here
now second, is that? Okay? There we go. Dave's got her.
Let's keep going on line number six. Mary around the.

Speaker 13 (01:50:46):
Air, Hi, Patty How are you great today?

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Thanks?

Speaker 13 (01:50:50):
How you doing I'm doing good, yeah, Patty. I just
have major concerns about the Gushy Avenue, the Gushy Highway
and off ramp Brier Avenue that comes down over that
hill and apparently the access from to get back to

(01:51:12):
go out to the lights on Coumbus Drive there, it's
impossible from New Pennymal Road that's where I live and
Old Pennymal Road. The lineup of curves in the morning
and off off workers' times in the afternoon is crazy.
You're waiting at least twenty to forty minutes to try

(01:51:32):
to get out because people block the excess of the road.
They don't know enough, you know, to let the people
get out onto the road so they can have a
chance to go where they're going. You know, they just
go right across the access from Pennimal Road and Old

(01:51:54):
Pennber Road. Now right now there's a crosswalk, but that
was put there a couple of years ago because someone
my brother called in very concerned that someone was going
to get killed there the way they come down over
that hill. But really what they need there is the
traffic light in order to hold the traffic back just

(01:52:16):
for a little while so people can get in and
out of those two exits they get to Columbia's Drive.
And that's my concern, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
I've been there. It is a particularly possibly dangerous area.
It really feels that way, no doubt about it. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:52:32):
Yeah. The way to come down over that hill you
swear that they're on before or one in Ontario was crazy.
I've been up there and that's a little crazy too.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:52:43):
So I'm just hoping that someone with authority of powers
and look at that and reassess it, because they really
need a traffic light there. And yeah, so that's my concern, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
I think you're right, and I appreciate you making time
for the show. Mary.

Speaker 13 (01:52:59):
Thanks up, Okay, thank you, have a nice day.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
The very same to you. Bye bye. Right, let's keep
it on the school on very Let's go to LNE
number two. Call earlier on the air.

Speaker 12 (01:53:11):
Hello, Hi there, Hi, I'm calling. I'm very upset. There's
a pint of apparently now I have to come back
and forth and Saint John's to see a doctor and
tsis done and scant is done. Now each time I
call me in and it cost me one hundred and

(01:53:32):
thirty dollars for the taxi to come in and go back,
plus my meals it while I'm younger, plus my room
time from my room. Now, the doctor told me that
I lost over twenty pounds in less than three months.
Now I'm down to one hundred and twelve pound now.

(01:53:55):
My son is in Alberta. So it cast me some
many very sick. I'm going to have to come home,
he said, Dad to see see it. So anyway, Tuesday
he called me. He said, Mom, I got a flight
book for Wednesday. Tuesday night at nine o'clock, arrived in

(01:54:17):
Stint John and he said seven o'clock Wednesday morning, he should,
I'll be dinner time enough to go to your appointment.
Will Now I have Constant John the day before my
appintment in order to be in time enough on my appointment.
So I said, okay, am I done? So what I

(01:54:40):
did before I come in like I'm staying down at
next day in the state. So I booked the room
for to have two bids, which was fine. So I
waited and waited and waited, uh Thursday morning because he
said he was going to get in around seven o'clock.

(01:55:01):
So I wait and wait and wait. So I had
to go into my doctor's appartment because I would miss
my appintment. Now, while I was down to my doctor's appointment,
my son called me. I said, oh, my darling, I said,
I guess you right to the airport because Mama had
to come on because I won, I would miss my pintment. No,

(01:55:23):
Mommy said, I'm staring in Alberta. I said what he said, Yes,
she said. I went down to the airport and they
want to let me board the plane. I said, why not?
He said, Mommy said, my license export in May month,
and I went to get my license renewed, and he

(01:55:45):
said the motor registration give me a temporary license until
I get the original one come. Which was fine. So
he went to the airport and we passed all things
into this and apparently they've won next different so he

(01:56:06):
couldn't come. Now I'm in there, like I don't know who,
don't turn to what to do? So like I had
to come in there, uh Wednesday, like I said, Thursday morning,
get my appointment. So now I'm in her since uh

(01:56:28):
since Wednesday. Now, every time I came in, there's one
hundred and thirty for the taxi. Plus I'm in her,
I have to pay for the room, plus I have
to get my meals. So now I'm in her and
I don't just don't know what to do or to
turn to. I mean, out of here, line's alive to

(01:56:50):
do that. When the Morald of registration give them the paper,
which was a temporary relations I'm till he gets us
bridge and I'll come.

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
I guess technically they are so he has. I mean,
you can get a government ID for a motor vehicle
that's not a driver's license, because some people don't have
a photo ID if they don't have a driver's license.
But you can't get a piece of identification from motor vehicle.
But you're telling me that the airline would not accept that.

Speaker 12 (01:57:17):
No, they won't accept that. They said that they need
his driver's license. He said, this is my temporary drivers license.
The motor registration said this was good until I get
my regional one.

Speaker 13 (01:57:32):
Come, so he said, I.

Speaker 12 (01:57:34):
Went to the airport with the intention that this was
good because the model registration said it was good until
I get the regional. But then the airlines wasn't accepted.
So he had a message flight Now I'm down there
at the extend the state every since Wednesday. Now I

(01:57:57):
had to book a room for two bids. So because
he said in his flight was nine o'clock in the
night and he would drive yesterday morning seven o'clock in town.
So I edued the room with two bids. Now I'm
down there paying for the room ever since Wednesday, with
two bids, as pay for a taxi to go back

(01:58:22):
and forth to my appointment, which yesterday it cost me
forty three dollars to go to my Newfoundland drive back
here extend the state twenty one dollars to go down
then was twenty two to twenty three is something to
come back. Plus I'm paying for arm on meals while
I'm inner. I just don't know what to do rue

(01:58:44):
return to so far.

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
As I don't know in so far as your son's
predicament trying to fly home, I mean it's too late
to you know, file some sort of passenger bill or
rights complain because there are some technical issues regarding identification
and to get on on aircraft. But I honestly thought
that that license, temporary license from motor vehicle was good enough.
I really truly did. In fact, I've told people in

(01:59:09):
the past. You can get a photo I D from
motor vehicle that is not a driver's license, because sometimes
people just simply need a photo ID. Anything else you'd
like to say this morning before they flag me off
here the.

Speaker 12 (01:59:20):
No, sir, it's just like I said, I want to
live to know the public everything that's going on and
the circumstances that I'm in. I'm arlier. I'm waiting there
now to get answer back from my son that everything
was okay and it'd be common. So I just don't

(01:59:42):
want to go home and pay another on thirty dollars
for me to go home and come back.

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
I'm sure you don't, so I guess the only thing
you can do is wait and see if there's some
definitive confirmation from your son that he absolutely cannot get
on the aircraft, or all of a sudden something has
worked out right. Yes, yeah, fingers crossed. Let me know,
and if anybody here has anything wiser to offer than me,
if they tell me, we'll give your shout back. How's

(02:00:12):
that okay, sir?

Speaker 12 (02:00:14):
I appreciate I like like I said, I appreciate that,
but I just want the public you know exactly what
the airlines is doing with.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
Them, yes, and I appreciate you sharing her with us.
I wish you good luck with your health and for
your son's travel.

Speaker 12 (02:00:29):
Okay, sir, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (02:00:31):
You're welcome. All right, bye bye, all right. Op. So
that was a quick final break of the week. Don't
go ahead, welcome back to the show. Let's go to
line number five. Good morning caller.

Speaker 5 (02:00:39):
You're on the air either, Patty and I, uh, I
don't get the opportunity to listen to your show live
every day, but I do enjoy going on the next
day and listening to your preamble. And I happened to
hear your caller yesterday regarding to the Muslim community, and
I sat here in my office, you know, for a
half hours, so couldn't really focus on my work, and

(02:01:02):
I thought, you know, I really need to make a
call here into the show and give a little bit
of my perspective and how I've dealt with people of
many different communities, immigrant communities here in Saint John's I
worked for a large construction company and over the past
three years I've also worked with the Association for New

(02:01:24):
Canadians in a training program that trains newcomers in the
construction industry. And we've had over three hundred people go
through that program, men, women, all different ages, and personally
I've hired over thirty graduates of that program. And what

(02:01:45):
I've seen has been an absolute transformation, not only for
our new employees, but for our existing employees. We are
seeing friendships that are being made with you know, Muslims
and Ukrainians and you know, many different countries with our

(02:02:06):
current employees. Good friendships where you'll see one of our
workers as a place in Bona Vista, you know, taking
Ukrainian there and they're they're heading out and doing fishing
trips and things like that. We have newcomers that are
looking for apartments and our workers are helping them. With

(02:02:26):
that young man from Afghanistan, our supervisor helped them get
a new car and and they're so appreciative of that.
We see that when others, whether it be Newfoundlanders or
or other New Canadians, when someone is in need, everyone
is supporting each other. We had an employee that had

(02:02:50):
a house fire and to see fairly significant contributions from
other workers who are just you know, trying to get
by here in Newfoundland contribute to that. Another worker unforetunately
lost his daughter who was home in Ukraine and was
killed by a bomb, a Russian bomb, and we all

(02:03:11):
pitched together to send money to the family in Ukraine
to help them through that. So to hear somebody come
online and put a whole group of people with you know,
while the beginning of the conversation said, well, you know,
I'm not is iamac phobic, I'm not racist, but then

(02:03:34):
to say all of these things that really are contrary
to that, because they are hurtful to two New Canadians
that are here and listening to that. Patty, I think
it's fair. I think it's an unconscious biased I think
it's that that color probably doesn't know a Muslim person.
What are your thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:56):
I don't know if she has ever met, or engages with,
or is friends with the Muslim person. I really don't know,
to be honest with you. For me, it just and
I don't want to pick on this lady either. Is
it just really feels like some of those stereotypes, they're
just so easily adapted or adopted by some folks without

(02:04:20):
going that extra step, whether it be to engage directly
with the mosque into friars who can visit and who cannot,
in so far as to talk with the Association for
New Canadians, to talk about the Muslim Association about some
of the questions or concerns that you have. I mean,
that's the type of thing that I think if people
take that extra step, then some of those concerns that
they may have might be alleviated. And I mean, just

(02:04:40):
even the fundamentals of Muslims want to take over the world.
Some of them probably do, but if that was the
case across the majority of Muslims, that would have already happened.
There's like one point four one point five billion Muslims
in the world, So if that was their long intended
goal of which they've been practicing the faith for centuries,
then I think we probably would have seen a lot
more than the farious that the lady referred to.

Speaker 5 (02:05:02):
Yeah. Absolutely, And when you get to know, you know
people that are from a different background than you, it
kind of opens your eyes. Like one of our workers,
he was on him and his family was on one
of the last planes to get out of Afghanistan. And
when you hear that story firsthand from somebody like that

(02:05:23):
and what they've gone through and how hard they're working.
Here in Newfoundland, we have employees that are working fifty
hours a week and then working downtown at a restaurant
on the weekends, all to send money back to family members.
So it's you know, you hate to throw that racism
word around, because I don't think it is. Newf Flanders
are loving people. I think it's more that they don't.

(02:05:46):
They're a little afraid and they don't know. And like
you said, I really wish that more people would get
to know somebody that is not the same color as
in and to be involved. Like you know, we've had
workers invoted me to their engagement party, you know, and
eat celebrations and very much integrated with our New Flank

(02:06:10):
community and they love it here and it's a very
safe space to raise your family. And I'm so sad here.
You know, comments like that, I hope most people don't
think that way, And you know, I hope just hearing
a story like that and my perspective maybe can make
some people think toys about going down that road.

Speaker 2 (02:06:31):
And I appreciate you sharing that. You've had the last
word this morning. Thanks for colling. Thanks You're welcome, Bye bye,
all right, very quickly before we go, there's a Shriner's
parade tomorrow two pm in Gander. We didn't get a
chance to get check on the show, all right, big
thanks to aelve Hands and yes we will indeed pick
up this conversation again on Monday morning, right here on
VOCM and big landfm's Open Line on behalf of the
producer David Williams. I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself

(02:06:53):
a safe, fun happy weekend talk mon day. Bye bye

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