Friday Dec 12 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well all right, and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It is Friday,
December of the twelfth. This is Open Line. I'm your host,
Patty Daily and Grig Smith back producing the command with
an edition of the program. So if you're in the
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which is eighty six twenty six. So, as I was
reminded via email, it was a funny thing that when
we talk about a bit of sports off the top
of the show, didn't mention who was kind OF's athlete
to the year. You're absolutely right. I read this story
went in one ear out the other, or in one
eyeball out the other. So it's this year's Northern Star Ward,
which we used to call the Lou Marsh Ward, is
Shay Gildus Alexander. Of course, he's an NBA guard at

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the Oklahoma City Thunder. Second time he's won the awarding.
You had to have had a great season for summer
Macintosh not to be the athlete of the Year. Anyway,
he was in the MVP of the NBA last year,
led the team, partly led the whole league in score,
won the championship v he the NBA finals. Not too bad,
so he's the MVP. He's the Northern Star Award winner

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this year. Other finalists Summer McIntosh of course, Rachel Homan
curler who's going to represent Canada at the Olympics, Sophie
the Goody rugby star super player, and Cameron Rogers hammerthrow
Olympic gold medalist hammer thrower. All right, there you go.
Saw a tweet or maybe it was a Facebook post
from Softball Canada congratulating local Bradley Ezekiale from Harbermine. Incredible

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career with the Canadian men's national team program. So he's
been playing with the national team since twenty twelve, competed
in six consecutive WBSC Men's Softball World Cups, Browns medals
in seventeen and nineteen, silver in twenty twenty two. He
won to go back in fifteen. Did the congratulations Brad Zikel,
what a career he had, boy boy, with the national team.
He's not done playing softball and it's not like I

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was going to go to a World Cup game necessarily
when Canada, Mexico and the United States joined as co
host for the upcoming World Cup. At the beginning when
the bids were made, they were talking about some relatives
inexpensive tickets to be put forth for by all the
confederations to offer to their very loyal fans. Yeah, saw
the price of released yesterday. Man to go to the

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first game in Toronto, which is probably going to be
Canada in Italy. Cheapest ticket thirteen hundred and eighty five
dollars all the way up to four thousand dollars. So
the most loyal fans are going to have to have
some pretty deep pockets that they're going to go to
a World Cup game in Toronto, a little cheaper in BC.
But that's sort of strange, all right. A couple of
nice ones holiday positive stories to get us going here

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this morning got on the folks at Clision Clinic. I
think yesterday was their twenty second annual car giveaway, but
I guess it's actually called the Colision Clinic Enriching Lives
Car Giveaway. Brilliant stuff. Alana Walsh and her children now
have a new to them twenty twenty three Chevrolet Malibu.
The folks out of Clision Clinic, they volunteer their time

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to refurbish as this car to make it roadworthy. And
you can only imagine when transportation is a problem, to
be the recipient of a gift like this is extraordinary.
So good on the folks at Clision Clinic for doing
that again this year. I'm pretty sure this is the
twenty second time. And good for the folks that are
Busy's bussing, so they've now offered free of free transportation

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to folks who are disabled to be able to go
on school field trips. These little things matter, So good
on Collision Clinic, Good on Bersy's bussing, and off we go.
And on that front, you know, I know the government
is relatively new here, but the pledge to open a
disabilities Advocate office advocates office, it'd be nice to know
what the status of that is. In addition to that,

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I still get questions about what's going on with the
Registered Disability Savings Plan for those with a disability tax credit,
where everything starts if you're going to avail any of
those funds, including the monthly benefit. I don't have a
status update of the RDSP, but we're still actively trying
to get it. This morning here in the VOC Morning Show,
I heard Jerry Lin Macki and Jen Crow from Choices

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from You have a conversation about the kind of supports
they offer, housing, food and otherwise. At the exact same time,
I was reading an email from a listener on the
Buram Peninsula talking about this one circumstances, seventeen year old
some sort of issue in the home with their parents,
now living on his own, is not old enough to
qualify for any other social services because you have to

(04:16):
turn eighteen, So he's left in limbo. So I guess
the big conversation would be in the urban center, like
for Choices for Youth, and they served some thousand youth
last year and found them a place to live, and
of course the other support services, employment training and what
have you. They've got another two hundred people on the
wait list.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
I heard.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
The question then becomes, if you don't live in an
urban setting, what then and what kind of supports are
out there? And it's a question I don't have an
answer to, but I have a funny or bad feeling
that the supports are limited, if not non existent, so
while we were having that conversation about you know, supports
offered in the Saint John's rounding area burm Peninsula email

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talking about a very scary set of circumstances for this
one seventeen year old. So we could talk about word
supports and we should, all right, and on that front,
you know, the homeless numbers continue to rise. You know,
there was all sorts of conversations and the headlines and
news stories when we were talking about ten City, and
it really got a lot of traction with the tents
were popped up across the parkway from the Confederation Building

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and then of course moved down to the Colonial Building
then disbanded. It's very much like conversations that sometimes have
had on this program about panhandlers and the homeless and
the quote unquote I saw they become for tourists and
locals alike. We've really gotten to a place where we're
simply shuffling people around, whether they be panhandlers, whether they

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be homeless people. But that does nothing. It absolutely achieves zero,
just moving people around. Even if you're talking about panhandlers
in the downtown core and all of a sudden they
were moved out of there and you found them on
their market road. There are still panhandlers in the exact
same life circumstance. So that whole thought and concept of
just moving people out of the line of sight for

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more heavily populated parts of the province or city, or
more tourist traffic zones like the downtown. Sure, I understand
the sentiment of what it might mean for a tourist
to see what's happening in the downtown, and it has
changed dramatically over the last number of years. But just
shuffling people around really achieves nothing, absolutely nothing. But let's

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take it on. If your song client, all right, I
think we've got to keep this particular story going because
it's important and it's a real case study in the
system regarding mental health. Now, to begin with, there was
an email we got early in the week where a
very thoughtful listener wrote in and talked about the distinction

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between mental health and addictions. We unfortunately lumped them into
the one thing, when in fact they don't necessarily have
to go together. In some circumstances. They do, of course
they do, but not all the time. So it was
a real interesting jumping off point to reconsider how we
talk about mental health, to reconsider how we talk about addictions,
because they are two different things. One person may suffer

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from both and require treatment for both. But the conversation
gets all bundled up when I'm not so sure that's
the best way to think or to talk about it. Done,
We'll put that back out through you for your consideration.
But the case study story that I'm referring to, of course,
is thirty two year old Mitchell Rose. Very serious story,
very serious charges and very serious injuries suffered by the victims.

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Stanz accused of two conds of attempted murder, three coinds
of assaults with the weapon, three kinds of assault causing
bodily harm. Okay, So again for me, the initial thought
is I feel terrible for the victims, because of course
I do. But when the conversation all of a sudden
is deemed to be bleeding heart, I'm not so sure

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that's the best focus to take. Now, your opinion, Your
focus is yours, and here's mine. This is a story
about the system. It just is if we have changed
our tactics. And there's something called a community treatment order.
It's a designation issued by a psychiatrist so that someone
can provide mandatory and involuntary care to a person with
severe mental illness. Mitchell Rose had that designation, but unbeknownst

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to his family, was released from that designation and consequently,
what would have been a go to allowance for people
to be able to avail of the assert of Community
Treatment Act Team during the time of crisis, it all
of a sudden went by the wayside. We had a
very informative callery yesterday about reading directly from the Mental
Health Act. So what we need to understand here is

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exactly what authority is available to the iron c's Mobile
Mental Health Crisis Team. How and why can we have
the community treatment order be lifted without anybody in Mitchell
Rose's realm, his family to be made aware. I know
it's got to be renewed every six months, but when
we're talking about renewing a designation for someone who, in

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their own lives circumstances, is probably wholly unable to make sound,
solid decisions for himself or herself, then this is a
system failure, of course, and I repeat, I absolutely feel
horrible and terrible and sad for those who were the victims,
because that seems to be a very normal way to

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approach this story. But when the system has failed these victims,
has failed this individual, Mitchell Rose has failed, his family
has failed the community, that's where we have to take
the conversation. This court case will proceed and will find
out the end result, but in the world of public

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safety and for a responsibility that the province takes with people,
whether it's an addiction, whether it's a severe mental illness,
it's got to be done very carefully, compassionately and with precision.
And in this case it wasn't. It became a file number,
not a person. It became a file number, not the
potential ratifications in the community. With two charges of attempted murder.

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So this is a system story. Yes, we can focus
directly in on the community treatment order, specifically for Mitchell Rose,
the family, circumstances that were not made aware of the
change in designation. And yes, of course this story will
garner the attention, but the next stories and the next
conversations really do need to be about the system as

(10:26):
a whole, because this is a system story as much
as it is a story of a potentially tragic set
of circumstances. People were seriously insured there was one woman
in the hospital in critical condition. We understand she's doing better,
and I'm glad to hear that. But the whole broad
strokes of the system regarding mental health, severe mental illness,

(10:47):
involuntary care, protection of the public, protection of the individual.
Let's see if we can't get down to a little
more brass tax on that one had. Someone sent me
an interesting set of comments or a commentary about Newfoundland
and Laborador Hydro and they talk about their quarterly profits
and they're down because of rate mitigation, of which we

(11:08):
don't really have a full grasp on how that actually works.
But it was interesting in that, you know, they say
we refer to it as a publicly owned corporation. It's
a crown corporation. It's a bit of a misnomer, isn't it,
Because all those quarterly profits, where do they go? Are
they reinvested into hydro? Are they used for ongoing operations?
Do they flow to the provincial government offers? Are they

(11:31):
used to mitigate my bills? And informed? They are? But
it is a bit of a misnomer about publicly owned
because yes, I mean, they don't have any of their
own money. You know, they make their money based on
rates and other operations at hydro, but it was an interesting,
curious take on what constitutes of publicly owned corporation on
that front, here we are at the colder months. Pledges

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and conversations about removing the provincial portion of the HST
off our power bills, off our hydro bills is a
good one and it's a good place to start when
we talk about the affordability crisis that so many people
are living through and in on that front, we know
that there's something still going on about pursuing the Upper

(12:14):
Churchill Memorandum of Understanding. There's a lot of confusion, even
more than there was a month ago. Let's get a
Friday holiday surprise, an early Christmas present for the tax
paying public. Reopen the house next week before we get
into the Christmas break and people take their eye off
the prize, and hopefully people will have an opportunity to

(12:34):
depoliticize the world at least for a few days. Let's
open up the house, Let's ask some questions, Let's get
a better understanding of exactly where we are. It's just
too important. We are talking fifty sixty years of implications here,
and yes I know the government is relatively new, but
they campaigned on this because the Liberals campaign on it.
The Liberals campaign on the merit of the MoU, the

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Pecs campaigned on the independent review. And things have changed
even in so far as Premier wakems tune and next steps.
So let's reopen the house. Why not? What's the downside?
What could possibly be the downside here? So I wouldn't
mind seeing that. In addition to that, people don't want
to see a story like the proposals for green hydrogen

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wind farms and the lake here on the shores are
part of me on the island of Newfland. I read
a story in the Financial Times and it really has
a distinct look of the hydrogen bubble having burst. There's
somewhere in the nahbor to sixty major low carbon hydrogen
projects that have been canceled or paused. So the capacity
is not there, The fundamentals don't add up at this

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moment in time. Demand is not there, the costs remain high,
the infrastructure is missing. So what does that mean for
any of the proposals here in this province? Fair question,
don't know, right? A couple of cook ones. So apparently
the United States Alcohol inventory, three point two million dollars
worth of it is flying off the shelves. See yesterday
had to pause online orders for American booze, and they're

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still trying to transport to different parts of the province,
including into Labrador. And the question someone wants me to
put out they're unhappy to do it for Saturdays. I
think it should be up to the consumer as to
whether or not they want to buy American booze. But
the question that someone many people want me to pose
is okay, after this three point two million dollars worth
is sold, and considering what the demand looks like, should

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the province continue to reorder American stock for me? I'm torn,
But ultimately, if I had I was pressed to answer
one way or the other, I think yes. If the
consumer demand is there, then fine. I understand the one
to poke a stick in the eye of the Americans
because of a variety of things. But if people want it,

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then isn't that much should rule today? I don't know
your thoughts. Most welcome here, all right. So a couple
of days ago, this young fellow, Zach arrested again on
dealing drugs. Allegedly, he's already facing and he was out
on bail strict conditions. So he's been blamed in the

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past for supplying a drug that caused the fatal overdose,
and as a resulted he's facing a mass slaughter charge.
So then he's apparently got picked up again dealing drugs.
And it's funny thing is like I quit, no, you're fired.
He chose yesterday in court to stay behind bars. It's
the first time in the province that someone's been charged
with a serious charge like manslaughter because they sold drugs

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to someone who died as a result. People make choices,
even though when you're in the death throes of addictions
you may indeed make nothing but bad choices. But when
you thought you were buying xanax and what you got
was a cocktail of synthetic opioids and it killed you,
that belongs in the courts as a manslaughter charge. Right.
So now this young fella teenager is back in jail

(15:57):
where he belongs and because of this, So I think
that's a really worthwhile conversation to pursue and obviously a
very scary story. A fourteen year old kid is dead,
all right, This one is something else. For the second
time in just a month or so, a Conservative member
of Parliament has decided to cross the floor to join

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the Liberals the last day of parliament. Okay, so now
the Liberal government is just one seat short of a majority.
So we all remember the story when Chris Dauntremont crossed
the Florida to join the Liberals, that Matt General quit
the Conservative caucus, sitting as an independent, not sure what
his future looks like. And now this Michael maw who

(16:39):
represents a Toronto based riding are very very close to Toronto, Okay,
so it's mark Unionville, and he says it was as
a result of talking with his constituents. Look, it's probably
fair to say that many people in this country when
they go to cast to vote, they simply vote for
the party as opposed to vote for the candidate. It's

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somewhat a bit of a strange approach to take, but
many people do it and sometimes I've probably have done
it in the past as well. But the reaction, once
again is wild. So you know, you read some of
these social media threads on this subject, and of course
Conservative supporters will feel betrayed they vote for a Conservative candidate.
But now, at the same time, AMERICAM Unionville has flip

(17:23):
flop back and forth. It's a very competitive riding. So
their member is now a liberal. Then you read people saying, look,
I didn't vote for a majority liberal government. No, you're right,
because that's not a thing individual Canadians. Individual voters can't
vote for minorities or majorities. It's at the end of
the day, the votes are tabulated, we see which party

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comes out with however many seats, it's either a minority
parliament or a majority parliament. Whether or not it should
trigger by election is an absolutely fair conversation. But this
bit about I didn't vote for majority, I'm not even
sure how that thought process works because individual voters don't
have that type of power here. And Conservatives are not pleased.

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And you know, whether the assertion is that he's been
offered something cushy by the liberals as opposed to a
little bit of soul searching at the conservative level. You know,
if people are saying that they're leaving because of mister
Polliev's leadership and there leading because they appreciate mister Kearney's leadership,
that's an individual decision. Yes, Conservatives feel like they've been
hard done by but what should be the opportunity And

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this is not new. It's also same thing when Chris
Daturon chose across the floor, people reacted as if what,
how did this possibly happen? This has never happened before.
It's happened hundreds of times, literally hundreds of times. So
the Conservatives shorter member of the Liberals, one seat closer
to a majority last one. Plenty of news stories and

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plenty of social media commentary about a Santa Claus parade
out in Central that featured a float from Jonathan Rowe,
the Conservative member or tearing over the peninsulas, where it
was one of the political slogans of a jail not
bail was featured on the float and it had Grench
behind bars. Mister Row says it was an attempt to

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be humorous. It's always better when you're trying to be
funny if it actually comes across funny. And you know,
we have a real pension for politicizing everything every now
and then, it's probably pretty good on our mental well
being to take a little bit of politics out of

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stuff where politics really doesn't play a role. The Santa
Claus Parade doesn't feel like a real good spot for
that particular approach. I don't know what he feels on
the aftermath of hearing some of the commentary. You can
politic it up twenty four seven, three sixty five minus
a few days, a few opportunities where people just want

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to catch their breath, People just want to have a
bit of fun, people just want to enjoy the sound
to claus parade, it felt like a really odd thing
to do, and your thoughts on that are most welcome.
Oh and today's the fortith anniversary the Arrow Air disaster.
Two hundred and fifty six members of the American military
killed after they just took off from Gander and crashed.

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There were so many different thoughts about what might have
happened there, whether it be the wings weren't a properly
de iced, people talk about seeing fireballs, explosion and terrorism.
But today's the fortieth anniversary. I heard Tom Badcock on
with Brian Mador this morning, one of the first to
arrive at the scene of that tragic disaster. So that's
the forty years ago today. Amazing. We're on Twitter or

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This is open line now the VOCM big Land FM
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Speaker 1 (20:48):
Welcome back to the show. Let's begin this morning on
line number one, the top of the board. Good morning, Melissa,
you're on the air.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
How are you great today? Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 5 (20:57):
I am quite well, thank you.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
So.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
Obviously a big topic this week on your show has
been our mental health and addiction system, as well as
the unfortunate situation that is going on with the young
man Mitchell Rose. So I'm a graduate student at the
Faculty of Medicine at MON I am doing a thesis
based program in community health and my thesis is actually

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based off of our mental health and addictions care system.
So I thought it would be a good time to
kind of call in and you know, do two birds
with one stone, kind of mention a bit of my research,
but also to address some of the situations I've been
coming across in my research for my thesis. And so

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to start off, and obviously you just actually mentioned so
I thought I would briefly just mention it. You talk
about community treatment orders in your preamble. So community treatment orders,
in particular, from the research that I have been a
part of and the personal connection I actually have to
the mental health system, they don't happen for just mild

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mental health related issues. This was supposed to be for
individuals who are usually committed to an institution or a facility,
often against their own will, or for long term treatment.
So it's not somebody who has a mild case of
depression or some anxiety who's just released back out into

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the general public. These are individuals who have very complex situations.
One example I would like to give is actually my
mother in law passed in twenty twenty two. I still
believe it's due to complications that were the result of
her mental illness. She had bipolar type one, and being

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somebody with bipolar type one who had a who had
some psychosis, a lot of her symptoms used to get
dismissed and she went a week having a heart attack
before she finally had a stroke. So in that situation,
she had a community treatment order. So my husband actually
lives has lived in the Saint John's area for an

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extended period of time, and his mother lived out in
porta basque in a care facility, so he was not
allowed to be the community contact for her for her
mental health support because he wasn't local. So for her
to maintain all of the care that she required, the
people who were on that form, the people who were

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required to be a part of her care had to
be people who were accessible by the healthcare system. So
she had a lot of things that took place and
happened that were probably beyond what the community treatment order
was supposed to be for. However, she required it because
she was not she was not capable of living on

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her own in the general public, and obviously she was
in a care facility, so she had the support of
individuals that were there for her care. And this is
not something that's just handed out either. It's a nine
page report and actually there's forty somewhat pages of actual
documentation that needs to be done in order to process

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a CTO. But the onus tends to be on the
individual to maintain their own care if they want to
stay on this CTO. Based off of what I've been
hearing from from JANEA. Rose in her post and from
the news stories about Mitchell Rose, and if the person
is part of the care team. This CTO lists them,

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those people are supposed to be part of the care
I feel it's unfair to have anybody who has a
CTO get dropped, especially if the situation is that they're
not maintaining their own care, because the purpose is so
they're allowed to be maintaining their care in the general public. Typically,
when you go against something like a CTO or a

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core order, basically it's it's a it's a legal document.
They would have to be reinstitutionalized to maintain their their care.
So you know, somebody dropped the ball here, or many
people drop the ball. And this is kind of a
segue into what I'm doing in my research for my thesis,
and it's actually tied directly to the new state of

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mental health and addiction support in New Landon Labrador. So
a couple of years ago, the big the big words
that we were using within healthcare was we were talking
about the New Len Labrador Health Accord. So the New
Len Labrador Health Accord is extremely essential to reference as
a framework for moving forward for maintaining effective health in

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our province, so we can continue to afford it, so
we have enough enough doctors nurses, healthcare professionals. One of
the main themes that we see is community based care.
Community based care is a way to prevent people from
needing to be hospitalized or receiving formal care in a

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health institution. So a lot of the onus on the
healthcare continuation is based off of one the individual to
maintain the supports themselves, but also for the community to
support it. And what we don't know is how that
is rolling out. We don't know how it's going to happen.

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My research is primarily in rural Newfoundland. However, obviously our
only mental health and addictions care facility for complex situations
is located here in Saint John's the new facility here
previously the Waterford But most of my research is going
to be done in the rural regions, and the purpose

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is that we're seeing a lot more news based stories.
We're seeing social media stories about people who have either
feel like they've been let down by the mental health
and addiction system or feel like more needs to be done.
But what we're not seeing is how it's working. So
as the the Mental Health Accord rolls out this community

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based here plan and the health zones which used to
be health authorities. So now the health zones as they
adapt and adopt it, how are they how are they functioning?
How are people getting where they need to go? So
that is where my research is going to come in.
I have plans to meet with thirty individuals from Rural Newsintlanta.

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I have five communities that I will be visiting over
the next year, one in Labrador, one on the Northern Peninsula,
one in Western, one in Central and here one in
the eastern Eastern Rural and I'm going to be speaking
with frontline workers who are giving these supports mental health
and addictions related and I say both only because you

(27:57):
mentioned earlier there is a very big distinction between the
mental health support and addictions. However, there is a crossover
because research shows many people with mental illness who don't
have the health supports that they require are self medicating
and in turn end up with addiction related issues. Not always,

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but there is a very strong correlation between the two.
So the same people are treating both individuals. This is
why the system has evolved to have more mental health
and addictions care together. So I'll be talking to these
frontline workers in hope to find out how their processes
are working, see if they vary region to region, and

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hopefully get a stronger idea of how they're providing these
services in rural regions where the hospital services are not
equivalent to the care that they may receive at the
Mental Health and Addictions facility here in Saint John's. My
other part of mind of my research actually is going

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to be a survey. So early in the new year,
I'll make sure I send the information to you and
probably call back when I actually get to launch it,
but after my ethics approval gets through, I'm going to
be releasing a survey, and that survey is for all
across Nuthulean, Labrador. It's for anybody who has ever had
any interaction or has seen interaction with the mental health

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and addictions care in Nwfulent Labrador, just to give their
thoughts and their rankings on different aspects of the care system.
I'm going to then take the two pieces of information
and do a comparison, so I'm going to be able
to see, hopefully the goal is to be able to
see if what the providers say they're being they're providing
and what the experiences are if they go hand in

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hand and then I'm going to compare it to the
new Fulent Labrador Health Accord. It's a bit complicated when
I get into all the nitty gritty, but overall, what
I want to try and see and what I'm hoping
to get from this is a solid foundation on how
community based care is or is not effective currently in
Newfoundland and Labrador. So if we're seeing these issues now

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here in Saint John's where the mental health facility is
right here, I'm kind of unfortunately looking forward to seeing
what types of situations I'm going to see pop up
in rural New Fomland and Labrador. But I think that
it's important for everybody to understand that these services are
supposed to be available all across the province. You mentioned

(30:33):
in particular, and I only want to mention it briefly,
but the mobile crisis response teams, they're a very important
part of our community health based system. However, when I
started research last year, I found out and I think
this is going to be a shocking statistic for a
lot of people. From April first last year, when the
mobile crisis Response unit launched in Stephenville and October twenty first,

(30:56):
when I received my data from NISIL and Laboral Health Services.
Zero calls for service happened in Stephenville. Zero calls for service.
Nobody received a phone call for mental health and addictions support.
So you know, there's there was a disconnect somewhere and
hopefully I can find it. It was my research, but yeah,

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but I wanted to let people know that these things
are happening and we're not seeing them. These are not
publicly published information. It took digging to get. But because
of all of the stuff that I've been dealing with
and researching, I thought it was important to bring it
forward currently, give you some background and some information and
kind of let the public know that you know, I

(31:39):
am coming their way. I am looking into this. Hopefully
we can we can see what's going to happen from
our mental health and addiction system in rural news Land
and across the province.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
It's a worthwhile exercise. I wish we had more time, Melissa,
thanks for doing this.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
You welcome bye bye. Oh that was quick. Let's get
a break in.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Don't go away call now. This is open line now
the VOCM Bigland FM Radio.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Network, welcome back to the show. Let's call line number
two Morning, Michael Hanks.

Speaker 7 (32:08):
You're on the air morning, Patty Harry, this morning.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Great, thank you having you well.

Speaker 7 (32:14):
I'm good, sir. I'm plaited to be coming in as
the first time listener or first time call it long
time listener.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Welcome to the program.

Speaker 7 (32:20):
I just want to reach out on behalf of the
R and C Association and make listeners aware of a
food drive we're putting off on Sunday coming so we've
partnered with the Bridges to Hope for this food drive
and on Sunday we're going to be at Dominion and
Mount Pearl from nine to twelve, and then we'll be
at Soby's on Kelsey Drive from one to four. We'll
be collecting horse montor donation as well as perishful or

(32:44):
non perishable food.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
I'm sorry, I don't know. I mean, I've been doing
this a long time. I've been in the media for
about twenty years now. I can't remember a time where
so many people were struggling even just to feed themselves.
I mean, I know it's a national story. Over too
million Canadians for lying on for food banks. The first
one opening then within nineteen eighty one, it was a
band aid solution and now it's a reality of life.

Speaker 7 (33:06):
Yeah, I mean, the need is there and we certainly
see it, you know, every day in our line of work,
A Bridges to Hope alone serves fifteen hundred individuals per
month and thirty percent to those are children. So the
need certainly is there, and we're, of course we're in
a position we're through community service we can give back
and help to address that need, and we're quite happy
to do so.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Michael, you mentioned in the work you do, of course
as a member of the irn C, what it means
for people who are hungry. Give us some examples of
what you mean by that.

Speaker 7 (33:35):
Well, I mean, well, often the exposive situations where you know,
poverty is very very clear and real, and you know,
you go to houses and you see where where food
is not plentiful, and of course people you deal on
day to day. I mean, and it's not just food.
The need is there for personal care items as well.

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I mean, which is the need is ranked sadly, but
it is there.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
And you know you mentioned monetary donations or nonperishables, whatever
the case may be. You know, I read a quote
coming from a representative of the Board of Directors at
the Community Food Association. And I've never really fully understood
this magic trick. But he's talking about a ten dollars donation.
They can stretch that to about two hundred dollars worth
of groceries. I have some idea about how they pull
that off, but a bit of money really does go

(34:21):
a long long way in the hands of people that
bridges the hope or community food sharing or whatever the
case may be. So please consider doing that if at
all possible. Anything else you'd like to that this morning, Michael,
while we.

Speaker 8 (34:31):
Have you, No, that's it.

Speaker 7 (34:33):
I'd just like to I'll give the details again and
where we are kicking things off with a one thousand
dollars donation on behalf of the RNC Association and its membership,
So again will be Dominion Mount Pearl nine to twelve,
nine am to twelve pm, and so albies in Kelsey
drive one to four and encourage everyone, if they're able
to do so, to drop I say hello and give
a donation if.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
They can appreciate the time. Thanks Michael, take care of
Merry Christmas, same to you, Bye bye.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
All right.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
I want to try to hit this break quasi on time,
mostly because the boss is producing today, all right, So
you know, we talked about this being the anniversary the
Arrow Air disaster twelfth to December nineteen eighty five, two
hundred and forty eight members of the American military, the
US Army Airborne one oh one division head known from Sinai,
Egypt for the holidays, and I mentioned, you know that

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some of the theories about what happened have long been
part of the public conversation. But I was also reminded
that today is also an anniversary of the Knights of
Columbus hostile fire that happened in the city Saint Johns
nineteen forty two on December the twelfth, So I had
forgotten about that. Ninety nine people were killed, eighty of
those were military personnel. There was another one hundred and
nine that were critically wounded in that particular fire. They're

(35:42):
talked about this maybe being enemy sabotage, which I don't
know if there's ever been a distinct case about the
cause of that fire. But I had forgotten about that.
So I really appreciate John let me know. And to
that end, their annual vigil is today. So the Knights
of Columbus Tronov accounts, Archbishop Howley, Assembly and others will

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be taken part of an annual vigil at the eleven
PM at the Harvey Road site. There you go, the
eighty third anniversary. Let's get a break and when we
go back and Bill want to talk about the rule
of law and then whatever you want to talk about. About.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
This is open line on the VOCM big Land FM
radio network.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Clock back to the program. Let's go line number three. Bill,
you're on the air.

Speaker 9 (36:23):
Yes, I leave talk about rubal law. But before that,
I would like to I'm a big believer in the
starting of history and today and I'd like to give
a big shout out to the DAI, which is the
Digital Archives Initiatives at the university is Are you familiar

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with that one?

Speaker 1 (36:44):
I have not availed of it.

Speaker 9 (36:46):
I know what it is though, yes, Oh it's a
great resource. And I think there was a I think
it was Slavko Menovlovich at the university. He was a
library and I think it was his initiative. But you
can go on and read all kinds of old newspapers,
you know. You can read the Evening Telegram from I
think it goes back part the eighteen eighteen, late eighteen hundreds,

(37:06):
since it was published in different newspapers, and more recently
I've been reading into nineteen fifty seven. But before that,
like you mentioned about the Nights of Columbus fire, and yes,
and I read about the that and see they usually
they had an inquiry about that afterwards. Yeah, yes they did,
and I read like, you know, so you call this

(37:29):
primary source, I guess, And so I read about that,
and I think that they couldn't. There was you know,
there was a suspicion of sabotage and stuff like that,
and I think they found some paper rolls thrown around
and stuff like that up top. But the big thing
was that there was a fly in the in the construction.

(37:49):
Is that the doors opened in I think that was
the big thing, that that was the cause of all
that tragedy. But on a later night, No, there was
one thing I came across the in the fifty seven
nineteen fifty seven even telegram was the comic strip of
Uncle mos Com with the chronic Chronicles of Locomos. Yeah. Yeah,

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So so for about a year and a half back
there back in the in the in nineteen fifty seven,
there was a that was ran as a strip. It
was the Okamo strip, and there was there was one
there was one little thing that I found I found
pretty amusing, you know that Grandpa. There was you know,
the characters are Grandpa Waldcott and uh, you know a

(38:32):
few others and Mo's uncle Mos of course, and Ocamos
said to uh uh Grandpa Walcott. You said, he said,
you know, are you concerned about when you're going to die?
The kind of thing, and the Grandpa walk out the strips.
It was a he said, I'm not so concerned about
where I'm going to die, he said. He said, I'm

(38:52):
more concerned about where I'm going to die because they're
not going to avoid that place. Okay, sounds like, yeah,
that was pretty good. Right, let's Grandpa Walcott, right, but
back into the into the rule of law because the
prompted me, we should you say, I think one in
your pream but you said if people wanted, yeah, isn't

(39:16):
that what should rule? Right?

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Well, that was that was very specific comment, but a
very specific issue, not just in the big scheme of
things about the population once the population should get because
that's you know, that's pretty broad stroke.

Speaker 9 (39:30):
Yes, because you know what you got then is is
that you know, because we got a rule of law.
We got a bunch of a bunch of laws and
the rules that that are in like passed by our
legislature and they're put through Hansard and stuff like that,
and they're the rules that we that we that we
abide by, right, so they it just brings me, brings
me back to U. Like the rules of the road

(39:51):
under the Highway Traffic Act are rules that we are
supposed to buy by. So if we don't abuy by
the rules of the road or what's published, hands heard
and it's been legislated and stuff like that, then we're
just following mob rule. Okay, I think I think I
don't think I'm out a long to say that for
the so uh and that it brings me. Look, I've

(40:13):
been calling. I called first on the December third, and
then I called December fourth, and I think I called
earlier this week, and.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
On that point, I didn't know this was the same
bill we are going to go with the ones.

Speaker 9 (40:25):
You're going to cut me off now, are you?

Speaker 10 (40:27):
No?

Speaker 1 (40:27):
I'm going to tell you once a week like okay.

Speaker 9 (40:30):
Well somebody, are you going to cut me off? Because
I'm not going to finish my points.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
You can finish your point. You can finish your point
as long as we're not talking about left and right lane.
Why not?

Speaker 9 (40:39):
This is this is something that affects a couple of
hundred thousand people. And what we got going on up
there is is a on that outer Ring road. Is
is mob rule and uh and and and and you
seem to agree with us.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I've already made my point, then you've made yours.

Speaker 9 (40:53):
I mean, and that's no, no, it's not it's not
a point. You have a big audience and you're an influencer,
and so you know, like I mean, you know, I
would say I'll cut you out on it, but I
mean you said that you're not allowed to.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
You didn't catch you didn't catch me out. What I'm
saying is in the safe passage for the motoring public,
for all of us to be on the same page
as opposed to trying to look for exemptions based on
signs and pretending that there's such a thing as an
urban highway. I just don't think makes anything any more
safe on the road. I think these school anyway, not.

Speaker 9 (41:27):
Pretending it's an urban highway. It is an urban highway.
There's eleven interchanges. In an urban environment, there's almost fifty intersections.
It is an urban highway.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
It's a highway. It's a highway.

Speaker 9 (41:40):
It's a highway in an urban environment. Therefore it has
has different rules than the rules are the science that
are overhead.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Well, that's like saying that the four to one is
is an urban highway.

Speaker 6 (41:51):
It is.

Speaker 9 (41:52):
I would say, certainly, it's not a highway.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
It's just a highway highway.

Speaker 9 (41:57):
It's a highway that's in like a very urbanized para
vounteer I was, I would, I would suggest and and therefore,
you know, uh, it's very important that you travel at
the post of speed and and it's very important that
that that the people are I mean you said that
you're not allowed to pass on the right lane. That
was that was a comment that you post. A lot

(42:19):
of people listen to it. No, it's not about me
getting you, it's about it's about it's about the safety
of over two hundred thousand people that have access to
their road, and and then other New Filanders that have
to come in and use that road to get to
the health sides, or to get to the Confederation building,
or to get to the university. It's a provincial road
and it's in an urban environment. I'm not trying to

(42:40):
get you. I'm just trying to get I'm trying to
get the mob, the mob that thinks that they have
their own ideas and what the rules are. There is
no keep right except to pass on that section of
the highway. There's no sign posted there to say that.
And that is simply a sign. It's not a general rule. Okay,
will you.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Agree with it's a thought process to safety navigate a
multi laying road.

Speaker 9 (43:04):
No, But would you agree that keep right except the
pass is not wearing me out?

Speaker 1 (43:10):
You're wearing me out with this one.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Why not?

Speaker 9 (43:12):
You've had this for a week. You're in a position
of influence and stuff like that. Yes, you have it.
Have you looked it up? Have you asked your lawyer friends?
Have you have you brought anybody up from the work
services and transportation you're talking You said you talked to
a couple of years.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Half make anybody do anything right. I might be an
influencer in your mind, but I can't make anybody call
this program. I can't dictate to a safety council or
to the r C M P. Or the r n
C or the Minister of Transportation or anybody involved in
the highway traffic back then. And it's enforcement. So there's that.

Speaker 9 (43:45):
Like to bring on information some some some information we
go by. But and you've had this for a week, Okay,
I have.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
A busy god, Bill, you're going on.

Speaker 9 (43:55):
You're going on about you keep the right and you know,
like one of your comments of the in my call week,
let's keep right except the past.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Bill, Yeah, just a little bit of widespread. Come on,
you know, just take it out.

Speaker 9 (44:07):
You were, you influenced so many people. That's my point, right,
you know that? And this is this is what we
talked about the rule of law. You cut me off,
But I said no, I don't hear you. I thought
you cut me off. I mean you're talking about the
you talk about, you know, should we do what we like?

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Now?

Speaker 9 (44:24):
If I wanted, if I'd like to go drive one
hundred and twenty on that highway, should I be able
to do that?

Speaker 1 (44:28):
When did I say that?

Speaker 9 (44:30):
I'm saying no, you said no, But hold on. That
was the comment you put out in your preamble. Should
people be able to do what they like? And then
shouldn't that be the rules.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
About what What did I say that about?

Speaker 11 (44:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (44:42):
You just put it out there at the beginning of
your preamble, you said, and I'm calling to say that
the rules of the road are part of the rule
of law that we are all supposed to abide by.
And if everybody's stuck to one hundred kilometers an hour
on that highway and and understood that both are passing
lanes and understood that no one's required to keep into

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the right lane, did I think we'd all be a
lot safer and a lot less. And there'll be a
lot less. I mean, this is about the health and
safety of all the people that use that road.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
I'll tell you what though, Uh, in the future, don't
put words in my mouth because.

Speaker 9 (45:21):
I put words in your mouth. And these are like,
this is all recorded right where you tried to put
words in my mouth last week and I wouldn't let you.
It was put me in a disparaging light. You know,
I'm sorry, but you know I'm I'm going I gotta
defend myself and and and that's why I like, I
hate to disagree with you. Patty influence. You influence a

(45:42):
lot of people. And what you say a lot of
people believe.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
You're the You're the only person that thinks there's something
personal going on here. There's not. I have no idea
who you are. I'm not making this.

Speaker 9 (45:53):
I'm not making this though. I'm not making this personal.
You're trying to make it personal. I'm not making it personal.
I'm just saying I want to travel road, and I
don't want to be put and I don't want to
be like because I'm because I'm being tailgators because and
there's that's to rob the mob rule going down up
there on that highway, and and and and everybody's afraid

(46:14):
to use both lanes because you know, the mob is ruling.
And I mean, how many tickets have been issued for
for one hundred and ten kilometers now in that highway.
I don't know, somebody knows, you know, but I mean
that that would be I mean, it's in the Highway
Traffic Act that you're supposed to go a hundred and
then there's provisions for fines for every kilometer an hour

(46:35):
over that limit.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Right now, Yeah, okay, it's so.

Speaker 9 (46:42):
It's on it's unsafe up there. We have had a
number of bets up then that highway, and there's and
besides that, a lot of lives have been roomed with
paralysis and quadrant and paraplegia and all kinds of nasty
things happen to people because people that understand the rules
of the roads.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Okay, I'm late for the news. I appreciate the time.
Thanks for the call, Bill, all right, okay, bye bye,
let's take that break.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
This is open line on the VOCM Bigland FM radio network.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Welcome back. Let's go line number one. Dave, you're on
the air. Good morning to her, Morning to you.

Speaker 12 (47:24):
Just to heads up, Patty, I do a lot of
walking in the Googles here and I'm coming down a
walk down Dills Road on the sidewalk and all over
the sidewalk looks clear and fear concrete. Man, there's places
it is slippery and there's no salt, nothing on. I
called the city on it because the kids are in
that area, you know, up and down, going down lunch

(47:46):
breaks and going to and from school. Of course, it's
very dangerous.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Absolutely, and you know, I'll add to that, there's plenty
of places in the gouls where there's nowhere safet walk period.

Speaker 12 (47:57):
Well, yes, you're right, you are but in that one
place by the school there, I mean the sideboxer treacherous.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
It looks it looks.

Speaker 12 (48:06):
Clear, but I'll tell you I've done some I've done
some queer slipping walking down the road and places there.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah. So I mean, can you mind me the name
of that school just for curiosity. That's schools Elementary Schools
elementary okay.

Speaker 10 (48:22):
On Dolls Road, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Okay, yeah, fair enough. I can picture Doyle's Road of course,
coming off the highway to get into the ghouls.

Speaker 12 (48:29):
See.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
So it's just it's as fundamental as there's simply just
no ice control in the area.

Speaker 12 (48:37):
That's what it is. Yeah, I mean, like I said,
it was probably all over the city. I walked on
the main road on the flat, flat sidewalk and it
didn't seem to be that bad. But the tempt he
is dropping a bit. But on Dolls Road it's very deceiving.
And I tell you little kids on the back and
forth could be in trouble.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, because there's nothing quite like a bit of black
ice like in my parking lot and now behind our
building and on my street this morning where I almost
dumped myself ours over tea kettle.

Speaker 12 (49:07):
Yeah, I know you do some queer you do some
queer steps.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah, just kind of shuffling around, not walking in the
normal gate, just kind of shuffling your feet, sliding around.

Speaker 12 (49:17):
Yeah, yeah, No, I got just the heads up, you
know what I mean. No kids out there run the school,
running and going. Someone could break your iron or ley
or whatever there.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah. So for someone listening at the city who was
in charge of ice control, please do indeed attended that
spot specifically on Doyle's Road around Gooles Elementary.

Speaker 12 (49:34):
Please Yeah, I called and I three you won one
who told them that too.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Okay, good the right thing to do, all right, Sair,
appreciate it. Call Dave, thanks a lot, Thank you, having
good day you too, bye bye. Yeah. I mean on
days like this, because we had the big wild temperature swings, right,
it was freezing cold over the weekend, then it got
a lot milder yesterday, and now it's pretty frigid today.
So whether you're driving or walking or whatever you're doing,

(50:01):
the likelihood of encounter with some black guys is absolutely
real today. Let's go to line number two. Lindsay are
you at what are you at?

Speaker 13 (50:11):
Good morning, Lindsay, how are you doing?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Grand how about you.

Speaker 13 (50:18):
How's your dog making?

Speaker 1 (50:19):
That body doing great? Thanks a lot, Lindsay. Dexter is
going to be one year old tomorrow.

Speaker 13 (50:24):
Thanks show you're Dean Show the woman won your role. Yep, yeah,
Paddy from the door. Okay, yeah, Patty, you.

Speaker 10 (50:36):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
But I don't know what you mean.

Speaker 13 (50:39):
A lot of issues around here. We've got well we're
being a count of feed the water beads and you
had no water the last two the last year up
in front of and I don't know. It's hot to buddy, you.

Speaker 10 (50:54):
Know.

Speaker 13 (50:54):
And we don't get Dunning Dunnings. You know.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
I thought that issue had been fixed or solved up
in Fairland.

Speaker 13 (51:04):
No, you had turned turned down the other day during Calgary.
That's where the main main place is.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
And so what was there a water main break in Calbert.

Speaker 13 (51:16):
No, that's where the water the world is. Paddy, Uh okay,
I mean Ferland.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Very good?

Speaker 13 (51:22):
Yeah, so, and uh I like to get something done
around it late. I'm not in the situations, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (51:31):
And so how long has the water issue persisted? No,
it's banked out, it's back now, I thought, so yeah, okay.

Speaker 13 (51:38):
No, yeah, whatever, but uh as I'm talking Paddy. But
over the year, all right, we had our house burnt
in Fertherland. You heard about that moon I did so, yeah,
one hundred and twenty five years old and we had
no issue ones. Now, so I was talking to some

(52:02):
You say it started at fund not a fund raiser,
fund raiser?

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Fundraiser?

Speaker 13 (52:08):
Yeah? Is it fundraiser? I'm a right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
If you're trying to raise money, it's a fundraiser, yep.

Speaker 12 (52:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (52:14):
But who do I go to?

Speaker 10 (52:16):
Like?

Speaker 13 (52:17):
Who do I you know, wat step to a seek?

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Well, depends on what kind of tactic you want to
take with fundraising. Like there's online fundraising that you could do,
like a site called gofund me, which is pretty popular.
They do take a cut of the money raised. But
that's the way that you can do it.

Speaker 13 (52:34):
Okay, you have me on this, sir.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Sure, So do you use the computer?

Speaker 10 (52:39):
No?

Speaker 13 (52:39):
I don't even know how to not of you the money.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Let okay. So it's going to be tricky to use
an online platform to fundraise. Other than that, I suppose.
I don't know what kind of options are out there
for the general public, you know, whether it be you
make a public plea like here, But Here's what Here's
what I'm going to tell you. If you really want
to have us ask for wide reaching fundraiser for something

(53:02):
like replacement cost of your home that burnt down, is
you must have somebodies who do use the computer though, right,
because they can help you. It's really simple to do.

Speaker 13 (53:11):
Yeah, but yeah, okay talking about that, I just want
to get a bit of money, is I understand?

Speaker 1 (53:16):
So if I was you, I'd go to one of
my friends or my children or whatever the case may be,
who do use the computer, are savvy with the computer,
and you tell them that you'd like to establish a
fundraiser and they'll say, you know, and I would suggest
maybe something like gofund me. There are other options out there,
but just go fund me and set it up and
maybe you'll have some luck there.

Speaker 13 (53:37):
Okay before I leave, now, buddy, Yeah, that's so. Yeah,
that's really places we was gonna see. Yeah, it has
that Jesus place man, the house still there, the house,
the gun now like they're a food land fort.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah, I'm familiar with that particular story.

Speaker 13 (54:00):
Keep sure, Eddie Covey Shore, But isn't he say that
part again, Adie Covey?

Speaker 11 (54:06):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yeah, great, foggy day, great.

Speaker 13 (54:09):
Faggy, Yes, our faggy up here. Well, listen, Patty, A
lot of people probably get something warm cars now since
some top.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah, if people want to chip in and help. But
if you really want a big wide reach uh for
trying to raise some money, then you know someone can
help you. Set up a golfund me online. They seem
to be pretty successful. If the story is compelling and
people are willing and wanting to help, that's a good
place to try to do it. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (54:35):
Well, Tanny, Paddy, Patty Daily left, you want to keep
shore he.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Sat. Mary's my father's from Riverhead.

Speaker 13 (54:44):
What's the last name?

Speaker 1 (54:45):
My last name Patty Daily Daily?

Speaker 13 (54:48):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Pty, I haven't
got to have it going in the words, I'll get
you the load of woods.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Good luck with it.

Speaker 13 (54:57):
Yeah, got many questions you put the questions.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
For you got to show you up. No ornaments on
you got the lights on ornaments this weekend?

Speaker 13 (55:03):
Yeah, okay, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
No problem, stay in touched Lindsey right bye bye. Uh Yeah,
let's see here. We're pretty close to the break time,
so we won't squeeze anyone. And let's check it in
on the Twitter box. Some pretty serious action there this morning.
We're vosm oupenline. You know what the duty leave a
comment there, oppose the question, suggestion, criticism, compliments, whatever you like.

(55:28):
Email addresses open on a vos dot com. I've been
asked why I don't talk about housing affordability what so,
whether it be in the general terms and or some
of the big proposals being made in the city, for instance,
And there are a couple of big proposals, whether it
be on the Marching Road or the old bally Haley site.
So the question is obviously going to be it's going
to be you know, multi use stuff, so some single

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detached homes, maybe some traditional bungalow style homes, maybe some
executive homes, apartments. So when people ask me what the
affordability is going to look like, it's difficult to say, Hey,
I mean for starters, it's going to change when the
time's change, because costs only go up, whether it be
for labor, whether it be for materials. And as I've said,
I don't know, let's say round number million times is

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affordability will be the trick? You can have federal gramment
policy as build Canada homes. You can have provincial policies.
Municipal issues need to be addressed because that's a time
lag concern. But it's always going to be tricky to
hit the affordability target. And it's hard to give a
definitive answer today because the answer will change a month
from now when we use affordability, and the definition broadly

(56:32):
used is thirty percent of your income to be afforded
to mortgage payments and or your rent payments. So again,
it's different for everybody. What's affordable to me. It might
be different for Beth Fagan who's now sitting in the
producer's chair, or for Fred who writes the emails about it.
So yeah, we'll ask questions about affordability because that is
the key. We can build units if people can't afford them,
then okay, let's get a breaking when we come back

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twenty four hours, store clearing and whatever you want to
talk about. Don't go away.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
This is open line. Big Land FM Radio Network.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Welcome back. Let's go line number one. Ricky, you're on
the air.

Speaker 14 (57:06):
Good morning, Patty. How are you today, sir?

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Couldn't be better? Ricky? How about you?

Speaker 14 (57:10):
Not too bad? Former from the West Coast, Patty, I
would like the convent on what I've seen on the
news last night about John Hogan, a former premier Oka.
The discusses me, Patty, to see how he gets on.
He's like a spoiled Brett, that's what he's like, talking
about the twenty four hour snowcaring and Patty, you know,
like they promised that to us out here ten or

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twelve years ago, and a lot of people here like
out my way, like I'm from Saint George's and Port
of Bass area and whatever, travel to dearly all hours
of the night kiitch flights to go west to work.
And the Liberals that promised that us, that snowclaaring to
us what ten or twelve years ago for every year

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and never ever showed up. And now here's mister Hogan
complaining that mister Waken was going to spend a million
dollars on the twenty four hour snow caring. That turns
my stomach, Paddy, because he's talking he is like, our
leave is still matter.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah, I didn't hear them. And so some of the
bugaboo that the Liberals have spoken to here is on
the campaign trail when the Tories were saying it'd cost
somewhere around one point nine million dollars, and it turns
down a real life costs three point two million dollars,
I think is the number, which for me, as a
member of the motoring public, I'm fine with that. If
we do a better job with winter maintenance, ice controlling,
snow clearing, it's okay by me. If it costs three

(58:32):
million dollars, it's okay by me. If we increase the
fourteen routes for twenty four to seven to twenty eight
routes next year, and whatever the cost is fine by
me because we got to be safe on the roadway.
And we're talking about peanuts and the big scheme of things.
The provincial budget is around eleven billion dollars. If we're
going to spend a few extra million to keep the
roads clear for people who don't have any other choice,
whether it be to catch a flight, or to go

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to an appointment, or to get home from work, whatever
it is, the streets, the roads, the highways need to
be clear and safe as possible.

Speaker 14 (59:01):
Well, Patty, I worked out Wes and my wife used
to come to direct to pick me up two three
o'clock in the morning the flight I get him derec
and many of the times, Patty, I come home full
of snow on the road. You know, it's just brutal, Patty.
And for him to be talking like that, you know,
I mean like and like you we're saying it might
cost three point two even formula, even if it costs
eight million dollars, Who do you think is paying is Patty?

(59:23):
Who do you think is paying this? That's right, we
the taxpayer are paying for this, and we're paying for safety, Patty.
And to watch him get on there and out off
at mister wakem which was trying to turn this political
suicide that was happening in Newfounland like all touch base,

(59:43):
like okay, Churchill falls.

Speaker 9 (59:45):
Agree with you back.

Speaker 14 (59:45):
That's one many things. There was no problem for him
to give forty fifty thousand dollars to their numbers under
the table until somebody leaked it out. So that costs
probably close to a million dollars, Patty, So how much
you know, like you know, oh, he's like a spoil bread,
you know, Like, I can't believe the way that man
acts on TV.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Yeah, I didn't see last night's news. As a matter
of fact, so I don't know, I don't have anything
to refer back to, but you know it's going to
take some getting used to with the Liberals now all
of a sudden in opposition because since twenty fifteen they've
been the government. Now I get people complaining to me
that you know it's too early for the Liberals to
start complaining or questioning the government. Well, I don't know
what it's acceptable in people's minds. The role of the

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opposition is pretty important stuff, but it's all in how
you craft the message. There's certain ways to do certain things.
You could say the exact same thing with a different
tone or different choice of words, and it comes across
as meaningful criticism. And it's not about John Hogan or
anyone else. But you know, words matter, and tone matters,
temperament matters, and so you can get away with complaining

(01:00:46):
if it doesn't sound like just whining.

Speaker 14 (01:00:48):
Well, you've got to give mister Wickham a chance sho
that is just truly elected government. And you've got to
give them a year or a year and a half.
You got to put feelers who jar to find out
what's going on. You got to go through the books
everything to see what the Liberals done in the last
ten to twelve years. And you know, like the night
of the election, I sit down and watched the election,
and when John Holgen lost, you know what I mean,

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Like one of the reporters were on said when he
came on the podium to address the audience of what
he's lost, he was like a little spoiled bread, you
know what I mean, Like unbelievable. You wouldn't even talk
to reporters. You walked out licking these wounds. That's a
story state of affairs. That man shouldn't even be trying
to be premier in the flat because he acts like
a little spoiler bread.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Well, I guess the members of his party he voted
them to be the leader, consequently to be the premier
and to lead them into the next election. I'll leave
it up to the individual voter whether or not they
think he or mister wakem or mister dinner, anyone else
is up to the task. But I guess the voters
have spoken. The Tories are now sitting in the government seat,
and you know, to your point, but you know, you've
got to give me a year a year and a half.
Unfortunate reality, though, Rickies we don't really have that kind

(01:01:52):
of time for people to get grounded in their jobs
and figure out the books and move on with policy,
because time is pretty important here. So I'm I understand
your point about its early days, but you know, at
some point the honest is going to be on the
Tories to governed because that's what they're elected to do,
and there's a lot of real big problems out there,
so they've got to get at They got to get

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at it at some point. And hopefully this is the
point because next week, next Tuesday, Minister Finance Craig Party
is going to give us a fiscal update. So that
will say to me that they have now understood the books,
they have now understood where we are with deficit and debt.
So if that's the case, then let's get down with it.

Speaker 14 (01:02:29):
What do you think, Yes, well you're right, Patty, And
like I said, I watched the news and like Premier
Wakem said, well, we're getting jobs. Come a little Doyle
oil patch now because they're going to build some of
the modules here in a New Fland, which which the
government at the time, the Liberals said, oh no, they're
not going to come here. We can't force them. Listen,
this is our resources, this is our sandbox. You go

(01:02:51):
by our rules or you move on, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (01:02:56):
And the sad thing about is Patty, like, let's going
to take a while for mister wakem and the's government
to figure out what's going on like that, MoU. We
should never rush into that because what we're gonna do, Patty,
is gonna get peanuts on the dollar.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
I'm not really not sure about that. Do you think,
I guess this question for you specifically? Do you have
any concerns about what is you know, people referred to
an artificial deadline, but it is a deadline of some variety.
And do you think we can get a better deal
than what's currently on the table.

Speaker 14 (01:03:27):
I hope we can, Yes, yes, Patty, Yes, because you're
going to look at the future rates, Patty, not the
rates today down the road, Like you know, what's the
place for electricity going to be in twenty forty one. That's
just a big question. Okay, this is going to double
or is it going to trouble? We don't know that, Patty.
And then if we goes out and signs in agreement,
now that we're getting a few little Measley pennies more

(01:03:48):
for our power. Patty, Well, we look just as stupid
as we did in nineteen sixty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Well, at least, and this is not a promotion of
the MoU, but at least there's an escalator in this.
At least there's a couple of off ramps in fifty
one and sixty one. If indeed the world changes dramatically,
I don't know, and I've got nothing to base it
on whether or not this is the best we can do.
But there's a couple of questions on that front that
I'd love to have an answer to. The First one
for me is when Michael Sabia, who was the CEO

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at Quebec Hydro Quebec, he said their replacement costs was
twelve to fourteen cents versus what is reflected in this
cou Nobody asked them what he meant by that. That's
one thing to say, another thing to elaborate on it.
I would love to have nswer to that. Does that
mean starting from scratch to build a new hydro electric facility,
starting from scratch to build all the required transmission or

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does it mean something else? Because he never told anybody,
and I'd really like to know what.

Speaker 14 (01:04:40):
That means, well, Patty's I just we're getting peanuts from
Churchill Falls right now, and I've always premier a new plant.
I wouldn't be like Brian Jovin saying, oh, we're going
to shut the switches off. I shut the damn switches off,
and I send a message. I wouldn't be for long
for first, say eight hours or a couple hours, just
to show the rest of the world that we mean
business and we gotta have a stand Patty, you know

(01:05:02):
what I mean, Like if we don't stand up for
our rates, like saying, goes the squeaky wheel, the squeaky
wheel or dis de grease or whatever it does. So
we got to be the squeaky wheel. We got to
have a firm stance on this and make sure that
we're gonna come over on top. Penny.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Yeah, I guess a firm stance would have to take
some sort of actual strategic business approach, and that could
be you know, walking away from a contract of people
think that's the right thing to do. Turning off the
power probably costs us more money in actual financial penalties.
Would for making some sort of point with a hoctricle back.

Speaker 14 (01:05:33):
Yeah, I know what you're saying, Patty, But the point
is you can't bleed blood from a turn up and
we got no money. They're saying, we got no money,
So how can you sue us for billions of dollars
when we don't have it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Well they can't, No, I know they can.

Speaker 14 (01:05:47):
But Patty, what I'm just saying is referring to like,
shut the damn power off for a couple hours lit
the eastern seaboard, go down dark, better go down dark.
And then say, well, then you've got the other side
of the border saying listen, where's our power? And then
in Quebec, you know, they're saying, well, new Flanders shut
it off. Well, you come to the table with us
and negotiate a decent deal, not trying to rip us off,

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and give us a decent price for the kilowatts. At
least we made have cheaper power in New Fland After
a while, Patty and saying this, Patty, We're like. I
was out to Alberta and people used to say to me,
why do you come out here to work when you
are the richest province in Canada, probably the richest place
in the world. You got every resource, How come you
guys don't develop these resources and ship out the refined product,

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and it's still us having a population of eight hundred
thousand or nine hundred thousand or a million or whatever.
We got that it'd be probably ten twenty million people
on this sile. We Megan's on a codiot because it'd
be so much work we wouldn't know what to.

Speaker 9 (01:06:46):
Do with it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Resource development is always going to be a massive conversation
in this province. It does require business friendly government, but
also requires business to come to town. Because if we
can't trust the governments, and you know, take this for
us worth. If we don't trust the gardment to pay
the roads, we don't trust them to flouder roads, we
certainly can't trust them to get into the industry both feet.

Speaker 14 (01:07:05):
Well, this is the problem, petty. You I mean, if
you had honest guy in there, that's going to be
strict right to the te you know what I mean,
not be bought over under the table with uh a
social of cash or a duffle bay full of cash.
Oh I'll do this for do this for you or whatever.
But it seems like this has been happening over the years, Petty.
It's like people is being bought off. But it's all

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under the table and walk away, you know what I mean.
Like it's time for somebody to take a stand here
in New flann and we votes. These representatives all our
MHAs to look out for us and make the decisions
for us. And if they're not shore, I'm making the decision,
come back to your voters and have a referendum. But
the point is why I'm trying to get across your
petty Team's got to change here in an island and

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if it don't change, we will always be the poorest
province in Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Uh, there's certainly room for change. Nobody's going to argue
that point with you, Ricky, and I really appreciate your time.
You get to the break, but stay in touch and
have a great Christmas.

Speaker 14 (01:08:00):
Thank you, and you have a merry Christmas. And all
the staff at VOS and I love.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Your radio show, appreciate that. Thank you very much.

Speaker 9 (01:08:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
You're welcome. Bye bye. I just gotta break in friends
here to talk about municipal taxes and then whatever you
want to talk about, don't go away.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Welcome back, let's go to line number three. Fred, you're
on the air, Hi, Patty, how you doing?

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Good? Yep? Are you doing?

Speaker 11 (01:08:23):
I want to say Mary Christmas to you and vocem
same to you and listeners as well. Right, I got
two quick questions for you. Actually, everybody out there wondering
what comes dog is Texter?

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Dexter is a red miniature poodle.

Speaker 11 (01:08:38):
Red miniature poodle. Wow, that's pretty neat all right, and
then listen. The other question is you putting up a
real tree? You got fake on them?

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Look, I don't have no say from St.

Speaker 11 (01:08:48):
Mary's right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Look, we had a real tree forever and a day,
and now all of a sudden I got a faky
and I hate it.

Speaker 11 (01:08:56):
Oh man, really I got mine picked out in the woods,
but I didn't tell anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
I use you know, And I used to be famous
for not only having a real tree, but having pretty
ugly real trees too.

Speaker 11 (01:09:06):
Oh, just not round upon to get the decorations. But
I got one picked out. But I'm gonna wait see
because that way would be less what do you call it?
Drawing out in the house?

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Right, Yeah, that's one thing I did not appreciate it
with needles everywhere. But anyway, yeah, was.

Speaker 11 (01:09:20):
If you go to get your tree early American right
and then go back and get it right, you know,
and then bringing in your house then later. But then
thanks for telling me that. But I wanted to figure
out municipal taxes. I can't understand where it's going. I'm
on a fixed income, and yet everything, I mean everything
is going up. The last municipal taxes was not now

(01:09:42):
not just passport was eight point two and last year
and I drop to nine point one, and rumor has
it that the taxes are gonna work again. So at
nine point one, I'm paying roughly three hundred dollars a month.
I'll repeat that, I'm paying three hundred dollars a month
for taxes. So I'm paying thirty six hundred year. And
my tax was sixteen those seventeen hundred, No, eighteen hundred

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storry eighteen hundred every six months, and my water is
three hundred and forty five dollars every six months, says
six hundred and ninety for the water park. Anyway, I
think I'd be cheaper if I got someone to deliver
water to me and put it in my flush box
and all the rest. But for seven hundred bucks. I mean,
the taxes are going crazy. And I looked up a

(01:10:27):
couple of salaries. You could just google salaries. Danny Breener
is making one hundred and forty five thousand, right, How.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
There's people looking for the city making way more than that.

Speaker 11 (01:10:37):
Well, the rumor is on the streets, sir, I live
in Southlands. I'll get to that in the second. But
the rumor is is that if you can't get a
good job with the federal government, you get better pay
at the city. Saint John's. A lot of people say that, right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
The sunshine list at the city has grown dramatically in
the last decade. There's no argue with that.

Speaker 11 (01:10:54):
Really, Okay, I must have looked it up. Wow, But listen,
learning too is I don't understand? Okay, forget that. For
what it's going up and up and up one hundred
where it's gonna stop. Right, The groceries are going up.
And by the way, I had to give up my
home insurance because I had to go to the big
deductible right to keep it down to below eight hundred dollars.
But first time when I moved in Southlands, my home

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insurance with the twenty five hundred dollar deductible. Deductible used
to be one hundred and twenty seven dollars. Now I'm
up over eight nine hundred it would be deductible, so
like a five thousand dollars deductible. So right off the bat,
if something happens with my house, I got to kick
in the first five grand just to keep the raids
down right. It's not real, it's not real by it,

(01:11:36):
and then I'll try to go to the next one.
A number one too is in south Lands. We were
I was the fifth or sixth house here that's first
built Southlands in two thousand and two. Anyway, we wanted
to join the Mount Pearl. Mount Pearl just passed the
budget at seven point seven mill rate and hours coming up. Well, now,
if they don't put it up, it's nine point one.

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If they do put it up, let's say even comparing
today's numbers, seven point seven Month Pearl to nine point
one down the city. So they put us up to
nine point five. Whatever's Mount Pearl is still at seven
point seven. Man, oh man, it's unbelievable what's going on there.
And we're all upset with the fact that we couldn't
join in the Mount Pearl right at the time. Okay,

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you know for that. Next thing is to parking bad
parking bat. I'm on the road her now, parker band.
Why don't they leave the park band? You know, have
the parking band and oh Christmas Day, which is January sixth,
So start the parkavand on January seventh, because there's still
a lot of people still out visiting people up to
oh Christmas Day. So if there's a storm common or

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storm comes whatever like, okay and force it down. But
if there's no bad weather or nothing like that, why
can't they let us enjoy Christmas for another three days
with visit people. I'll just see what you got to
say about that stuff. Then I'm gonna say one last thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
There was lots there back to the mill right at
nine point one, which is what it is for the
residential taxpayers here. I don't know where it's going, but
my property assessment is up. So even if they don't
adjut the mill rate, my property tax is going up.
And just how they calculate that, you know, just see
if I can pick a round number property worth two
hundred and twenty five thousand dollars even though the meeting

(01:13:13):
price about home. Home here is like more like three
hundred and fifty thousand dollars, but two hundred twenty five
thousand dollars times mill erry works like this zero point zero,
zero nine to one. So tax on that property, I
don't have a calculator in front of me, be around
two thousand dollars twenty and twenty five dollars. Adding the
six ninety for water, you got total tax pables on
a twenty two or two hundred and twenty five thousand

(01:13:34):
dollars property at about twenty eight hundred bucks. So yeah,
I'm anticipating my taxes going up, and I'm not pleased
about it because it just went up thirteen percent.

Speaker 11 (01:13:44):
Oh my god, I know it's unbelievable, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
What?

Speaker 11 (01:13:47):
I don't understand this? I know it gonna be a
balanced budget because there's no loan what do you call it?
No boring or nothing? Right, So there's no interest statements
on loans or nothing like that. Am I correct on that?

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Well, there's a couple of wiggled rooms for forecast of
capital expenditures, but by legislation, municipalities have to deliver what
they call a balance budget.

Speaker 11 (01:14:06):
Yes, that's right, right, okay, I'll make this quick.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
The can.

Speaker 11 (01:14:09):
So there's an only thing I don't understand either, is
snow plarm. Me and my neighbors are out. We help
each other all out. I got really good neighbors around me,
and I'm around him. Whatever it is. Anyway, next thing
plow comes up, we're so sick and tired. I mean,
I think you mentioned it before too, but so sick
and tired. Having shoveled the draw away three times in
one day, they were fed up with it. So I
got the tractor to stop last year and hey goped

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up the door and asked him it. What's on the go?
Can you part? Can you clear the snow once they
come in farenough forever? He said, he's told to leave
a little bit for the next shift. I'm gonna repeat that.
I'm mad about her. He said he's got to leave
a bit for the next shift. So he got something
to do twelve o'clock when he comes in. So me
and my neighbors and some chovling three times in twenty
four hours. We're ripping about it, right, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Yeah, Well, snow clearing should be as effective and as
efficient as possible. I get well, there has to be
some repeat runs, like on a side street in the
East End. Generally speaking, here's what happens on my street
is they do the one cut so that people can
actually navigate the street, and then later in that day,
after I've already shoveled, they come back and widen the
road curb to carb. So that's at least twice I
have to shovel to accommodate. So I mean, I kind

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of understand the one cut to try to get as
much of the city dealt with as quickly as possible,
but it always does result in that second wing rowl
that I got to shovel.

Speaker 11 (01:15:25):
Okay, not a quick one. You got a brand new
plow with the truck on the plow, brand new truck,
can plow whatever. They went up to Sun with Sean
and they had the blade down, brand new truck, brand
the box right. It's a white, white vehicle, not the
green one. Brand new white. Won't the blade down? Me
and the neighbors were looking at it and said, yeah,
they won't be on wearing the blade out. What brand

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new truck you should see it? I better go and
leave your boy. I got a couple of quick things
to say to you. You know I'll end up. Do
you want to hear something? A couple of funny things?

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
And what one? Take your best one?

Speaker 11 (01:15:58):
Take quick ones? Okay, number one the song You're gonna
hope you laugh at this? Your song rude off, red
nose rein here I do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:16:06):
Did you notice that the other radio were kind of
leaving body out like it wasn't inclusive and that you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:16:15):
They laugh to call rings were worse than that?

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Right? Did we pass anything here? It looks like you're
still on the line, ford of you there?

Speaker 13 (01:16:26):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Okay? We felt like we got caught off? All right?
Thirty seconds? Give me your funniest one, gotta go?

Speaker 11 (01:16:32):
Okay, okay, okause the Rudolph Turner was radiar. They wouln't
play radio games. Frosty Snowman went down to town and
played with the other children, and then and then he
started to melt away.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
That's the normal one, right, what that's after he danced around? Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:16:46):
Okay, well yeah that's not too hood. Okay, what about
I saw mommy Santa Claus on the tree. This wouldn't
be very traumatic for a child coming down the stairs
and see mom and Santa snow eat the tree. I'm
surprised that all that stuff is still out there. I'm surprised.
I love the carols, by the way, I do love
them carols, but I'm surprised that they're still allowed to
put them on the radio.

Speaker 10 (01:17:08):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
You never know, maybe you get a better caliber of
Christmas presents if Mom and Day signs a little peck that.

Speaker 11 (01:17:15):
Patty, listen when you're sitting around the tree, and that
think of all of us as out to buy my
parents a guy and I would assisted dying. But Patty,
when you're sitting around, have a little swallow this and that, boy,
you remember those Christmas carols and the city taxes, and
have a sip for me. But that's like I said,
I'm all by myself, and I said, father passed away
five years ago, and I said to someone on putting

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up a tree this year, and I'm gonna do it.
I got it picked out, I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
I'm putting it up with it and I think it's
an excellent idea. I appreciate your time this morning, enjoy
your tree. And when I sit down for a drink
over the holidays, I absolutely will not be thinking about
property Texas exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:17:51):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
I love you, man, I really do take your care.

Speaker 11 (01:17:54):
I'm gonna give you a fist.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Bump now, okay, boom done, Okay. I love you all
of us. I appreciate it. By bide all right, let's
get a break in when we come back to a
lot of time left for your topic up to you.
Don't go away.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
This is open line on the VOCM big Land FM
Radio network.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Welcome back. Let's go to line number one. Good morning,
Jim here on the air.

Speaker 15 (01:18:16):
Yes, good morning. First of all links saying, my glasses
not always full. My glasses are always overflowing. I never
think about negative things, so I always think about positive things.
I'm in the process of reading Gray Guy, and two
things stuck out my mind. One thing somebody as Uncle Bose.

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He said, are you concerned about why are you going
to die? No, I'm not concerned about why I'm gonna die.
I'm concerned about wearing going to die. So I'm gonna
abide the place.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Yes, that's right, I know that one.

Speaker 15 (01:18:53):
And now another one he said in New f Land,
he said, you don't know it. When spring and Follo begins,
he said, the rabbits don't even know they go round
a half round and half weight.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
And what were you reading it?

Speaker 15 (01:19:11):
So in the in the area. I've phoned you because
one thing is on my mind. I don't think we
should have such a thing as political parodies. I think
people should get elected, and the people get elected, then
they should have beside them scized themselves. Who's going to
be leader, who's going to be the minister of this,
who's going to be a minister? Death? Give some thought

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to it. It makes so much sense.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Yeah, to me, I hear that all the time, Like
there was a party that was trying to form a
few years ago and they were talking about all being independents.
You know at some point.

Speaker 15 (01:19:45):
Exactly that that to me would make so much sense,
and you get more people. I think running the best
candidates we possibly can have, don't run.

Speaker 10 (01:19:55):
I know.

Speaker 15 (01:19:56):
A person to me is very intelligent, very articular, very sample.
He said, why, he said, what do I want to
get in the class class cage? He said, I got
everything I want? And he said, if I want ending us,
he said, I can just go to the bank and
get it on my tax free savings account. That's what

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we're rest while we don't get enough of good people
running and destroyer our structure should be changed. Anyway. That's
my saying you have you have a great Christmas and
a happy and great New Year.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
I really appreciate you before I let you go. What
great guy? Were just reading.

Speaker 15 (01:20:35):
Our Mean Chair four Meant to Prison and Jerry Red
Chair four books at the time. I'm not the one.
I just finished reading a bottle Lighthouses. I can tell
you a little thing. Blank Sabanc comes son Labrador. Two
archaeologues up there taking around talk was one and he

(01:20:59):
figured this is a good space, but to go seal hunting.
And they went down in one corner and they dug
it up and they come across a body and they
figure it would look bad size to about his figure.
It was a fourteen year old bye, and around there
were some family orderfacts and when they took up the
ashes he was cremated. They took up the ashes and

(01:21:21):
he had attested. They figured it was an eight thousand
year old person, probably the oldest person in North America
that was creamated. That's my last thought per day.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
I appreciate your time.

Speaker 15 (01:21:35):
Thanks for calling, Jim Okay, then take care you too,
Bye bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Hi, Ray guy. I mean, it's just the scathing pieces
that he wrote, but was just unbelievably brilliant with I
just finished reading the final columns. It's a collection of
his work between two thousand and three twenty thirteen, not
that long ago. I read a portrait of a rebel.
But boy or boy, Ray guys don't come along very often.

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We'd probably use one today. Let's keep going line number two,
Grace around the air.

Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
Hi, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas to you. Patty.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
I'm calling this morning to advise everyone in the Deer
Lake area on the West Coast, the beautiful West Coast,
that we have a cram the Cruiser CNP event here
today at our local food land and we're asking people
to come out and support our local food bank.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
We need it now more than ever, by the sounds
of it or by the look of it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
We do. Indeed, not just an hour area, but everywhere, Patty,
and any of these Cramed the Cruiser events, they're always
a huge success, and we look forward to people from
the public, people that we serve, come out and have
a chat with us and if you know, if they're
able to you know, support support the local food bank.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
So are we just craming one cruiser.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Oh no, We've got but three cruisers here at present,
we've got one full. We started at nine o'clock this morning.
We're here until about five pm today and we'll probably
make a few trips up to the food bank midday
and be back again. It's a huge event and super successful.

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People in our area are so generous and of course
you know the food bank is located in Deer Lake,
but it's regional to our area and it serves you know,
many people, many people.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Good luck with the event today. Thanks for doing it.
Don't appreciate your time.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
Thanks so much. So everyone, come on down to food Land.
We're here until five today. Merry Christmas, Christmas time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Pip bye. All right to ask you for only let's
go to line number three said you are on the air.

Speaker 8 (01:23:48):
Hey Patty, good morning, good morning, thanks for taking my call.
I'd like to give a bookquet actually to two people,
and one of them being yourself. Being both a diplomatic
and empathetic at the same time with your callers, it's
amazing how well you do the second here. Welcome the

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second book case to the city of Saint John's and
the Universal Design Network of Newcoland and Labrador for putting
out the disability and Accessibility checklist for Universal Design. And
I've been asked by a few people where it is,
and I just want to let everybody know it's available
on the City of Saint John's website under accessibility and

(01:24:34):
also in announcements you'll see the symbol for the checklist
rate inside that area.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
I had a look at it yesterday. Satra Cummings from
the Universal Design Network goes on the program a couple
of times talking about this issue. And you know, when
you're reading through it, if you stand back and think, like,
if you're not in the disabled community, you probably don't
think about a lot of these things. So but at
some point into the future, I mean, one of us
could be a member of the disabled community. So when
I looked at it and having so many of these

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conversations with people like yourself and Nancy Reid and Central
Cummings and others, it's all just very fundamental common sense.
You know. The accommodations are not earth shattering, they're just realistic, realistic.

Speaker 8 (01:25:18):
However, you know, it involves everybody, someone that has children
that needs that ability to get their carriage inside as
opposed to climbing up the ten steps with the carriage
and the baby. I mean little things like that. Universal
design gives us more adaptability in our environment for everybody,

(01:25:38):
not just persons with disability, but aging in place. And
we can go on to the benefits with a long list,
but yeah, it's very important for our future, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Right, and you know it's it can only help that
not only this city, but developers and individuals can you know,
kind of wrap them find around where some of the
gaps are in the system, where some of the hurdles are,
and what we can all do about it, not only
for building and designing, but just in our day today lives.
Because again, if you don't have a mobility concern or

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some other disability, if it doesn't impact you, sometimes people
don't think about it. But it is really I think
helpable when we have these types of conversations just to
create a little bit more awareness out there about how
one third of the population and the barriers that they face.

Speaker 8 (01:26:28):
Absolutely, you know, it's a new discussion. It's a new
day for a lot of things inside the community because
people are beginning to understand that these things are needed,
and you know, even the provincial government has given some
very positive movements towards this area as well. So and

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we're waiting for the Disability Advocate to come into vorld,
but we're looking at at all. Everything that's been said
so far has said that we're going to see some
thing in the new year on this, so we're all
very positive. It's a wonderful time during this in the
community for us because we're seeing movements and we're seeing
positivity and that is a big thing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Absolutely. And you know, sometimes when we talk about government
action here because in the most recent provincial election and
municipal elections we had concerns being voiced for different corners
of the province about accessibility to the polling booths. We
know there's an accessibility issue at the courthouse. So it's
you know, we're in a better place, but there's a
long road ahead of us, I would suggest.

Speaker 8 (01:27:32):
Absolutely, and the getting rid of the attitude barriers that
we have faced in past is a big thing and
that and those are, thank God, beginning to melt away.

Speaker 10 (01:27:42):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:27:43):
Nice Christmas gift for everybody here here.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Appreciate the time, sid thanks for doing this.

Speaker 8 (01:27:48):
Thank you very much, Petti, have a great day you too, Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Merry Christmas time right, good bye. And you know, in
the basis of the universal design is just accommodations and
when we think about, you know, how we build, whether
it be private residences or how government builds, you know,
major infrastructure accessibility. When you do it right through the
lens of universal design, not only are you able to
accommodate more people, also for potential to have to refit

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or retrofit into the future becomes far more expensive than
if you adhere to it with initial design, engineering and construction.
So it's just a really smart way to build and
to design. And again same thing for businesses. If some
one third of the population in the province is recognized
as having some disability, any barrier in front of them

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also keeps some of the population away from doing business
with you. So it's not just how we build, it's
also how we you know, structure, retail and all the
rest of it. So anyways, SIDS always great, guest, Let's
get a break in when we come back. Plenty of
time left for you. Don't go away.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Welcome back, to the show. Let's go to line number two. Morning, George,
you're on the air.

Speaker 10 (01:28:59):
Good morning. I'm calling from Mary'stown and just let you
know that I'm in a wheelchair because I had to
have my leg ampitated rail so far as he could go,
and I'm calling because of the problems that I have

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trying to get from A to B. Now I have
a home clear worker and Tuesday of this week I
had to be in Saint John's to meet with two
sessions because I have another problem now. And you wouldn't
believe how hard it is to try to get around,

(01:29:44):
even if you have somebody helping you, because they don't
seem to think about how hard is saying for people
like me. Even if you push these things on the
door and the door we're supposed to come open, a
lot of them don't work.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
And.

Speaker 10 (01:30:06):
Honor goes. There's nothing. There's not enough work or care
put into people, you know, doing things for people that
are so hindict and you know, sometimes they're good people
that will help you. Other times the rock great boy,

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and they opened the door by hand and go on in,
and you know if they will just hold the door,
it would help. But there's so many things like that
that we ran into. We had to go in nunday
to me and stay all night in the hotel. Even

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it's it's so hard because things are not in place
for people with the disability like this under the wheelchair
all of a sudden. And I wish that people would
think about when when they're building places or whatever, to

(01:31:12):
think about people that are handicapped, seriously handicapped. And I
just wanted because you had somebody else they caught in
earlier and spoke about this earlier today on your show,
and I said, I just got to phone because it's

(01:31:36):
it's very frustrating, and I just wish that that they
was think about people that they're sitting in a wheelchair
and the snowy and glowing, and and they get to
the door and you know, you can't open the door

(01:31:59):
because those things don't work.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Sometimes I understand where you're coming from. Just a bit
of common pleasantries and common courtesies. They seem to be
for some people to think of the past. So your
message is clear when you recognize someone might need that
just a little bit of assistance, whether it be with
a door to be open or to put the shopping
cart into the rack as opposed to just having them

(01:32:22):
track all over the place. I mean, just very common
little pleasantries can go an awful long way to make
someone's day, just to make their day more manageable.

Speaker 10 (01:32:32):
Well that you say, right, you know, I'm not looking
for miracles or anything that it doesn't happen sometime where
somebody will notice that you need a hand and there's
not like that they're given up old day. It only
takes two minutes proudly and it makes my day in

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I said, well, that person show me struggling and not
only saw me, but it came over and helped me.
And you know, I think that person very all the time.
But I don't know, you know what, I know, we
can't do everything that we do to do. But when

(01:33:19):
we got to go to like I had, I had
to go to see two's rest us in Saint John's
and the here for I canna talk on until weesday morning.
And you know, I had got no choice because it's
the specialist that I need, you know or not out

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here in India. And then there's time.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
It's a it's an excellent message to pass along, George,
and hopefully people have heard your thoughts on a theater
this morning, because just and it costs nothing to be kind, right,
it doesn't cost anything. And what costs a couple of
seconds of your day. That's about it.

Speaker 8 (01:34:01):
Exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:34:03):
Anyway, you have a merry Christmas buddy, Say.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
To you, George, appreciate your time. Stay in touch. Yeah, okay,
bye bye bye, Let's keep going. That's proper message, right
light one Daryl around the air.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Oh hi, Patty, how are you doing today?

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Okay you Oh, I'm doing good.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Thank you very much on combat today, Patty. As we know,
it's forty anniversary after Darrow Air Crash, and I actually
worked at I was working with Allied Aviation, and I
still remember that that vividly is aks so fresh in
my mind and I'll never forget because I remember I

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was doing the four to twelve shift before December twelfth,
and so me and another co worker decided to flip.
There's an overtime shift, you know, the extra money Christmas time,
so forth, and I lost to flip and he ended
up working. Then next morning, well everything happened, and I
never forget that day. We all went into work standing

(01:35:01):
by and uh to be there if we would need
be or whatever and uh it was. I remember the
media that day from all over the world, came from
ever within. I think it might have been two or
three hours later, the US military to media. And I'll
never I'll never forget that, uh as long as I live.
And uh and then those years he had that what

(01:35:24):
he called Sea one forty once. Now they're they're replaced
now by their CE seven. Means I was many years ago.
And that was first like when they start coming to Gander.
See one forty once used to use a goose bay
all the time. And then from there on they started
coming through Gander more often and often afterwards. But I
remember assisting the Sea one forty one, they helping them

(01:35:45):
load up stuff they had to go back to the US,
and uh and uh it was. It was a very
uh devastating day and uh and uh you know they
didn't make it home for Christmas. And and look at
a lot of uh you know kids now water in
their forties now today, I guess, and their la from
Roni infants and didn't even get to.

Speaker 9 (01:36:05):
Know there mother and father.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
So it was very it was a very sad day.
But I still remember that press forty years ago, so
you know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
Bet you do so, two hundred and forty eight American
soldiers on Arrow Air. And you know, I was obviously
much younger forty years ago, but I remember the conversations
on the heels of it and all the reports that
were flooding in about people seeing explosions and fireballs and
all the rest of it. When I think the official
statement after the investigation was concluded is that we're talking

(01:36:35):
about ice on the wings, right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Ah well, Patty, I won't go into depth about it,
but I remember we had airplanes overnight at that night
and came and went and none of them needed any
de icy. Okay, So yeah, so I won't get into
too much of it. But but you know those a
lot of things were done and saidden believe you believe

(01:37:00):
to be I guess Gander, New Flan, December twelfth, nineteen
eighty five. The icy, you know what I'm saying. And
there's a lot of investigations and a lot of people
resign from boards and stuff like that. But if you
go and do the history of it all won't keep
you too long off did the trail from where it

(01:37:21):
came from?

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
Whatever?

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
You just very interesting scenario. I'll put it to you
that way, I'll probably want I don't want to elaborate
too much on it, but sorry, just got to be
careful what you say. You know what I mean. And yeah,
but you just go and do the history of at all.
You do search out of this. It's very very very

(01:37:43):
interesting stuff. But yeah, so they get the ceremonies here today,
I think at Pentecostal Church here and Ganner at one
o'clock and then down at the Memorial they're off the
highway at three. But I don't know where forty years went. Uh, well,
I was on the early twenties and at the time, right,
and uh it's just like, uh, time just don't wait

(01:38:03):
for nobody. It's just so fast how time's going, right,
that's a fact.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
And I mean when the calendar flipped over to December,
I'm thinking, man, oh, Matt and I bought milk yesterday.
The expiration day is Christmas Day, and I'm thinking, man,
this has been a very chaotic, hectic got very quick
or brisky air right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
And Patty, one thing I will add to the one
comes to the icing. Like I said, I got my
no helm what transpired I guess or whatever. But if
the airplanes went and came that night. Didn't he know
the icing planes overnight it went? Didn't know de icing?

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Allied Aviation, we serviced aircraft. We worked at aircraft and
we've seen anything that needed the icing. I'll put to
you this way. We would have went to the pilot
and say, look we see precipitation whatever. Uh in our opinion,
you need the icing now he has want to call
the Usually they would, we would, they would listen to
us or voce versa say okay, you think so, go ahead,

(01:39:00):
you know what I mean? And uh so I know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
I'll just leave it at that, fair ball. I appreciate
the time, Darrel, thanks for the call, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
And thank you for having me on your show. And
I said, my thoughts and prayers still work to all
these families many years later, and I do wish everybody
all the best, and Patty and have a great finish
here today.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
You too, all the best.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Great thank you by bye.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
Uh. Yes, some of the wide don't you talk about
emails are kind of funny, and this one is you
didn't dare mention that a member of Parliament are representing
the CPC out in mark is Mark Dale, Unionville, that
they crossed the forest today, Yeah, I did. I spoke
about it in the Free Amble. I mean, it's kind
of hard to avoid these big national stories and they
do have some impact. I mean, now the Liberals in

(01:39:47):
a minority of parliaments, are one seat short of a majority,
so obviously this is big news. And they went on
to say, I suppose you think there's going to be
more defectors. How do I know? I mean, how could
I possibly know? People will make all kinds. I guess
as I watched a bit of the news coverage of
it yesterday and people opining that there will be more
people acrossing the floor. But the same people were telling

(01:40:07):
me that there was going to be a bunch of
Liberal MPs quit as well. So I don't know, but
we did talk about it, and the one extraordinary thing
for me is how it's being received as if it's
just some earth shattering it never happens type of thing.
It does. I mean, we've gone through in the past
here on the show, since the establishment of the Westminster
style of parliament in this country, it has happened hundreds

(01:40:30):
of times. In the last twenty five years, It's happened
like eighty times So this is not new stuff. I
understand in full, especially if you live in that federal rioting.
If you voted for the person because they represented the
party that you favor, of course you feel like you've
been hard done by or betrayed. But the one emailer
went on to say that this is treason. No, it's not.

(01:40:51):
I mean, look, I get how people get upset about
this stuff, and it goes back to the same sentiment
that you know, people keep writing me emails saying, look,
I did not vote for a majority government. No individual
voter has the authority, the power, with the striking of
one x to vote in a minority or a majority government.
It's just not really a thing. Should there be a
by election triggered if you cross the floor inside of

(01:41:13):
twelve months after being elected, for instance, maybe, I mean,
that's a legitimate conversation. I completely understand that. Anyway, let's
get our final break in the morning and the weekend
here when we come back, still another segment left for you.
Don't go away.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
Welcome back to the program. And again another via email.
So someone just sent me a screenshot and it's a
bit of an interesting cell phone. So it looks like
a screenshot from Twitter and it says this is Michael
mah Michael mahas the general who just crossed the floor
to join the Liberal caucus. This is Michael Maa's most
notable role in parliament. Looks like China got another one.

(01:41:51):
So it goes on to say that parliamentary associations and
interparliamentary groups executive committees, Michael maw was the vice chair
of Canada China Legislative Association. Look, we know, and I
tried to talk about it a leading into the public
inquiry led by Justice Maurie Hog about foreign interference. It's
a thing, it absolutely is, But this is sort of

(01:42:11):
a strange one. And I know the emailers the point
they're trying to make here, But if you think about
it just one step further, the basic insinuation here is
if you think that this is a Chinese agent sleeper
in Michael Maw, well, are you just admitting that there
was a Chinese sleeper agent as member of the Conservative
Party fremance. So look, I think we probably ignore some

(01:42:35):
of the foreign interference stories far too often. And there's
the notable bad actors out there and it grabbed all
the headlines for the longest while. We had a public
inquiry on it and the dissemination of the information that
regular Canadians with our security clearances can get, and how
the information is shared at the federal government level, including
with opposition parties. So yeah, I'm not so sure why

(01:42:57):
that conversation just kind of went away. We just came
through a year and in this province we had three elections.
There's actually plenty of warnings, not provincial fronts on that
upfront as well, right, because elections Canada and federal government
oversight and the sharing of intelligence at the federal level
is vastly different than it is at the provincial level. Now,
I'm not suggesting that the Chinese, or the Russians, or

(01:43:20):
the Iranians or whoever have any interest in meddling with
New Fialana Laborador elections, but in provinces where the stakes
are a little bit higher and the population base is
a little bit bigger Ontario Alberta, I mean, they had
their own provincial worries there because they do not have
access to that level of intelligence unless when the FEDS
uncover something with intelligence sharing amongst the five eyes or otherwise,

(01:43:42):
and they bring it to provincial levels, and the guard
rails that the federal government has is vastly different than
what provincial governments have on that front. So apparently this
happened Wednesday, but the country wasn't informed about it until
late yesterday. Is that a noncommission member of the Canadian
Military Intelligence Branch has now been passing classified information to

(01:44:02):
a foreign entity, which one we don't know, and that
comes to the Department of National Defense. So the fellow's
name is Master Warrant Officer Matthew Roebar. The investigation has
been ongoing for quite a while. The charges, there are
eight of them, charges under the National Defense Act. So
they go, he's accused of they say, communicating special operational information,
breach of trust, extremely serious charges. And remember back in

(01:44:25):
twenty twelve when there was member of the Navy was charged,
but they held it as a civil trial, part of
me in criminal court as opposed to a military trial,
which is the pathway to the court martial, and that
does keep a lot of the information out of the
public scrutiny. I''m not sure which is the most appropriate,
but someone charged with basically espionage espionage. Let's go Line one.

(01:44:46):
Collar you're on the air, Good morning, Line number one.
Are you there, Line number one? I can hear you breathing.
I know you're there. Does that mean that it would
be you?

Speaker 6 (01:45:03):
Oh, that's going to be long, Betty. We'reund us. But
this was financial pressed the sinkhole. I'm going to ask you, know,
what do you think is our most uh pressing problem
that we have financially today?

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
You know, I'm not really sure how to approach that question,
but I mean, if we're talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:45:25):
What I'm sorry of trying to do, is I want
to know what you think is our most most pressing,
demanding problem and what we should do about it?

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
You know, well, it depends on who you are, where
you are, what your lot in life is like.

Speaker 6 (01:45:37):
For some people, we're on financial sinkhole work. You know,
there's red red lights alarms going on everywhere, and there's
there's remedies to be taken. What there's no sign of
them being taken.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
You know. Okay, well let me try this one on you.
So one of the most pressing financial concerns here is
that we spend over a billion dollars a year to
service our debt not chip away at the debt, but
to service the debt. Yeah, that's one. What's your opinion, Well, I.

Speaker 6 (01:46:06):
You know, it's just amount of rearranging the tears on
the Titanic when we're going down a hole fast and
there's remedies there. I'm talking about our financial situation and
the budget coming up. There's remedies there that were suggested
by White Green, and there's no you know, tackling the problem.

(01:46:26):
There seems to be no one wants to do. There's
no one accountable for it. I mean, you know, if
if we're going to keep on this path with which
the present regime seems seems to want to do, well,
it's incumbent on them to explain why they're not not
taking remedies to fix the situation that's going to end
up badly one way, or we just can't go on

(01:46:49):
it will stop.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
It's unsustainable. I agree with you, And I was always surprised,
like even when the Liberals were in power and we
were told that the part report, the Premious Economic Recovery
Team Boy Green and group, that that would be the
economic roadmap, Yet virtually nothing that would suggested or recommended
in the report has been dealt with, whether be selling
off the NLC or selling oil equity stakes or motor

(01:47:12):
vehicle or just name one bull arm. No bullarm has
been dealt with. I should correct myself because there's a
new lease out there. But yeah, you're right, it's totally unsustainable.
I don't think there's an argument against that, and.

Speaker 6 (01:47:24):
That brings it. That brings up to the argument of accountability.
Who is accountable for why we're not doing something about it?

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
Another excellent question. So we only get select opportunities to
hold anyone into account and that needn't be the way.
So once every four years is not frequently enough for
accountability to rear its head.

Speaker 6 (01:47:49):
Let's say I think there is to mean we could
if if if we didn't have a public that was
half to sleep and pass passive as they are. Everyone
will be demanding this because of the text them. This
will end badly as at the end of nineteen thirty three,
when we have commission, the government can then take over
take over the operation and the public service salary teachers

(01:48:12):
were cut in half. They didn't have an option. This
had to be done and that's on our way now.
We just real it with our head in the sand.
And we don't want to face that reality. And as
a matter of fact, we are taking all the deaths.
We have fifty billion dollars debt now plus the muskrat albatross,

(01:48:33):
and we're simply passing it on to our children. They
weren't responsible for what benefits from and we think that's
that's perfectly acceptable. Was not acceptable to me. I think
it's tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
It's not acceptable to me either, to be honest, simply
because it's eleven fifty nine and thirty plus seconds, you've
had the final word. But I appreciate making time for
the show and have nice weekends. Thank you, Patty, You're welcome.
Bye bye, all right, could show today, could shows all
week big thanks to all Hans. We will indeed pick
up this conversation again on Monday morning. Right here, I'm
Vosim and Big Land of FM's Open Line on behalf
of the producers Greg Smith, Beth Fagan. I'm your host,

(01:49:06):
Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun, happy weekend talk Monday.
Bye bye

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