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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line calls seven oh nine two
seven three fifty two eleven or one triple eight five
ninety eight six two six of using opinions of this programmer,
not necessarily those of this station. The biggest conversation in
Newfoundland and Labrador starts now here's VOCM Open Line host

(00:22):
Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Friday, November
the fourteenth. This is open Line. I'm your host Patty Daily,
David Williams. He's produced the command with an edition. So
if you're in the Saint John's metro region, the number
of that I look get into Q and on the
air is seven zero nine two seven three five two
one one elsewhere total free long distance one eight eight

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eight five ninety VOCM, which is eighty six twenty six.
So the wind and the rain and the forecast continues
gets a bit much right, and so I know a
lot of people are cloring to get their snow tires on,
your winter tires on. I was probably a little late
to come to the but I made a call yesterday
to get my tire swapt and get a service. December tenth,

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So pretty long way to get that bit of action
taken care of. Anyway, let's go, all right, promise kind
of put a ball in the major league seasons. So
the MVP votes are in and the MVPs have been announced.
In the American League it's Aaron Judge of course, the
New York Yankees, and in the National League Shoeotani. No
surprise with either as far as I can, as far

(01:25):
as I'm concerned anyway, But you look at the list
of all the four major North American sports, the list
of players who have won the MVP in the first
two seasons and also went back to back championships, the
list is Shoeotani. That's it. Only player who ever have
done that in the four major North American sports. Yeah,
so the Habs flying until last night. Here comes Dallas

(01:47):
and absolutely whipped him on home ice seven to nothing.
Habits gave up seven goals on like twenty four shots.
The worst part of the game beyond the scoreboard, no hook,
nasty play, nasty spill into the board. If you screen
shot the way his leg twisted when it hit the boards,
it looked pretty serious. I hope it's not. I guess
we'll find out more today. But Alex nokoff to a

(02:08):
great start and now hurt all right, I hear Rick Westhead.
He's a TSN reporter. He's done lots of important work
looking at some really serious issues regarding in particular hockey,
the dark side of hockey culture. He was the person
who brought the story out about Hockey Canada's slush fund
covering up allegations of sexual assault. Then of course the
twenty eighteen World Juniors that's been through the courts, all

(02:30):
five who were accused were acquitted. But he's got a
new book out to talk about the dark side of hockey.
And now look, no question there is one. But it
does pay me when hockey gets isolated as the sport
that has this dark side, when of course we know
it's simply not true. All major sports, especially at the
elite levels, have some very dark components. All Right, we

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talk about the way that minor hockey associations or modern
sports associations should be handling it, then provincial bodies and
then the national bodies. What strikes me that's missing here
is that you need some player led conversations here because
for young players, young people just being told what to do,
what to say, what to think? By Adolph sometimes is

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in one ear out the other. For instance, if you
had someone who's playing at the Triple A level in
midget or playing junior, and they're well known to be
good kids with the right ideals and the right motivation
for sport, if they were the mentors for the younger players,
you know, to make a trip into the dress rooms
for the growing players to talk about, you know, what
hockey culture should be, and you know, to not hide

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away the fact that there have been some very bad
things happen. Maybe that would have more of an impact.
Same thing when I think about schools and violence and bullying,
what have you. There was a great example in the
Northeastern United States. I can't remember which state are what school,
but it was high school. And so it doesn't need
to be the best athlete. It could be just the
top performer academically speaking, or a public speaker or a
debater or whatever. And in this case it was the

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high school quarterback. And so what they did to try
to stem the bullying that's going on in school, they
would identify those who around the receiving end the victims
of bullies, the victims of violence. They would go to
social media and say, hey, you know Marie in grade eleven,
miss Jones's class, she's incredible at math. She's been really
helpful to me. Hey do you know Brian in grade twelve,
mister Williams class. Yeah, he's incredible on the piano. You

(04:20):
should check him out. What happened? The bullying almost stopped,
virtually stopped in its tracks. So the youth leading youth
is something that kind of gets lost on us. We
talk about, you know, the top down the adults, and
of course the adults have to be the adults in
the room, but using some of the top quality youth
as being the poster children for good behavior, working hard

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in school, working hard in sports, and the positive outcomes therein.
I don't know, maybe that's kind of lost on us,
but anyway, let's go all right, Oh, Diala Carroll. The
beginning of the Christmas season for many, we do know
people take the opportunity to tune into Dila Carroll, make
a donation and it's tomorrow will be in them all
from one to six, I think my self and Brian

(05:01):
O'Connor kicking it off at one o'clock. So please do
indeed join us, all right, So we'll find out today
from Justice Alfonsis Fouer about whether or not he will
accept applications for three recounts and three different voting districts.
Of course, Placentia West Bellevue, Tops of Paradise, Lewis Port, Twillingate.
They fall outside the margin of ten votes between winner
and runner up to trigger an automatic recount, but none

(05:26):
is close. So it's eighteen sixty four and one oh two.
They're the votus parodies. What is completely bizarre though, to me,
is one of the witnesses that's come forward is an
Asserve observer, and they witness what they call it regularities,
and we have to make sure we deal with these things.
The problem here is that the irregularities that were witnessed
weren't in any of the three aforementioned districts. So we're

(05:49):
being asked to infer that if you saw something going
sideways in Lake Melville, then it must have happened as
well in Placentia West Bellvie. So I guess we'll hear
from Fower today and once this is concluded, if there
are recounts accepted, it might be the end of the month.
Before we even see the House reopen to conduct the
people's business. But I guess we'll all find out today
on that front. I've never been in government, so I

(06:11):
don't know exactly how transitioning from one party to another works.
But when Premier Waken yesterday went to social media talking
about the fact that there was a cabinet document regarding
the Independent Panel looking at the Upper Churchill MoU when
it was deemed a cabinet document, it wasn't automatically transferred
or transitioned into the new government. How can that be?

(06:33):
So it's been taken care of. He wrote a letter
to Premier Fury, former Premier Fury, and so this has
been dealt with. But it does beg the question about
who's sitting on what information that absolutely belongs in the
hands of the new incoming government, versus having to take
two letter writing campaigns to ensure all the information you
need to understand exactly what's going on to actually conduct business, craft,

(06:55):
policy and government. I don't know, man, it shouldn't be
that way, but anyway it is. And of course the
Premium Waken went down to say that those reports from
the Independent Panel would help form the terms of reference
or the mandate for whatever pending independent review is in
the offing, and you know what, like to ask some
other things. I know it takes time to get things done.

(07:17):
Government moves at a snail's pace, But where are we
on things like personal care homes and long term care homes?
And the other General's report reports they were glaring in
so far as some shortcomings and some absolutely non compliance issues.
So I get it. It's going to take a while
to get their feet firmly in trench. But let's get
at it. Also wonder what the new government stance is

(07:40):
on adopting national pharmacare Even if we just look at
the world of diabetes, we have an unbelievable prevalence of
diabetes in this province. Between type one, type two and
juvenile about eighteen percent of the population has diabetes, and
that's only for people who've had the formal diagnosis. So
where are we on that? And so in addition to
diabetes related medicines and treatments and supplies, then it is

(08:04):
of course contraceptives. Interestingly, on the world of insulin, it
was on this date in nineteen twenty one, one hundred and
four years ago, Frederick Panting and trials, Best delivered their
first paper on the results of the research they were
doing at the University of Toronto and on and now
we go and we know now all of a sudden
it's called insulin. What's also interesting about interesting about that
is that we do know that big Pharremah and patents

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and the billions of dollars and the influences they have
on government are very very real. Banting and Best, who
went on win a Nobel prize, They saw the patent
for insulin to the University of Toronto for a dollar.
That's it, man, how the world has changed. Anyway, Let's
keep going. So some very troubling things going on in
the courts always will be, and that's brutal. But to

(08:48):
watch the ongoings of the Tony Hombye case and the
Marcus sixth sentencing is heartbreaking stuff. I mean that the
Homby trial was interrupted yesterday when one of the victims
edged victims I suppose, I'm supposed to say, just couldn't
have it anymore, had a panic attack and had to
walk out of the room where he was testifying via video.
And then you see some of the folks who were

(09:10):
the victims of this creep this evil monster. Marcus six
testifying about the victim income impact statements and what it's
meant to their life and the fact that they've lost
all trust and they feel not only ashamed and embarrassed,
but victimized. Man, these stories are just so common. And
then maybe CONNYE. Pike comes calls in from Miles for
some whiles talk about the court docket regarding child abuse.

(09:34):
I don't know what has to change here, but those
particular stories are unbelievable. All right, let's get to the water.
The FFAW were right. Three ps cod stock assessment remains
in the critical zone. All right, significant loss of the
offshore components. So for years and years and years the
FAAW was worrying about this. They're talking about draggers fishing

(09:58):
in very vulnerable wintertions and spawning fish. So recovery is
going to have to go back to the table. Pretty much.
I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but
DFO pretty much admits they were wrong. Here's one of
the quotes coming from one of their scientists. It's important
to remember that there was a major revision to our

(10:18):
understanding of the stock. Yeah, but whose responsibility is at
we can't fix the past, well, we can't take responsibility
for how we manage the future. This means revisiting the
rebuilding plan, it means more listening to the people on
the water, and it means tracking and importantly reviewing changes
in the distribution of fish and fleets within a stock area.

(10:40):
We can't fix the past. But boy oh boy, even
if you're not intimately involved in the fishery, knowing that
the offshore dragons operating in the winter aggregations and in
the spawning fish grounds just never made sense. And you
do not have to be someone working actively in the fishery,
whether it be on the science side, or the harvesting
side or the processing side, to have thought that anyway,

(11:02):
a couple more, maybe a few more in the water.
So remember the big story during last year snow crab
season when then Minister Jerry Burne was talking about Quinland
Brothers and the allegation was that they were processing and
selling dead crab. So it was a problem. They went
in and seized about five hundred thousand dollars worth of

(11:22):
product and destroyed it. It's made its way to the
courts Alady to see the charges dropped the Crown presented
zero evidence. Oh boy, So it's a reputation lock for
Quinland Brothers and no question Robin Quinlan and others working
for that particular company are I'm not going to put
words in their mouth either, but I'm sure they're furious.
So of course they're going to deal with the new

(11:44):
Fisheries Minister about recovering the loss of five hundred thousand
dollars worth of crab. But on the reputation front, which
was mentioned specifically by Robin Quinlan, you can only imagine
here comes the lawsuits and I don't blame them. So
if the allegations were what they were and their product
was seized, but no further examination, no protection of evidence,

(12:05):
no documentation to follow through. So which is it was
the product bad or not? Because if the ground presents
zero evidence, you have to believe that the Queennen Brothers
were taking a knock. Now, people will have their own
position or opinion on the operations of any big processor
from Royal Greenland through the Queenlands, or the Dailies or
anybody else, but in this very specific case, charges fully

(12:26):
dropped your thoughts. A couple more quick ones also wonder
where the new Fisheries Minister is on and we've heard
Loyal and Driscoll talk about the Saint Mary's fish plant
burning to the ground, destroyed by fire. It's not just
about the job losses there and the investment dollar is
lost in Saint Mary's and it's a devastating blow to
the community and surrounding areas, but it's also the concept

(12:48):
of processing capacity. Like before the plant burned to the ground,
there were plenty concerns being voiced by inshore harvesters about
processing capacity, things like here we are at the nearing
the end of the snow crab season and processors are
up to the neck, including out in Saint Mary's where
they process some seven million pounds of snow crab. And
then here comes cod season, but no opportunity to sell

(13:09):
the cod because the processors were still working on the crab.
So losing that particular plant further complicated. So I know
we're not going to see any meaningful action for the
next snow crab season necessarily, certainly the rebuild and Saint
Mary's can't happen overnight. But where are we on expanding
processing capacity? Because if it was a problem already, then

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it's only getting worse because of that particular plant pleaning lost,
and of course with the news of the Baltic three
on Cedar Cove near Lark Harbor, it's been buffered and
battered and now the cracks are getting worse. So we
know nothing could be done until the summer or the
spring to see the removal, whether it be the refloat

(13:50):
or however they're going to get that ship out of there.
But I don't know how much fuel might be left
on board. But we do know if it continues to
damage and further battering and buffering leads to more and
more damage, more and more debris, maybe some fuel that
will show up in the form of tar globs or
whatever on the shoreline. Again, the FFAW voicing their concerns

(14:13):
and obviously so all right, a couple of quickie sir.
So yesterday we heard from the Prime Minister out in
tarifs BC about the next wave of seven new major
projects to be fast tracked under the Major Project's Office.
All right, we're not on the list, but things of
concern for this problems are on the list. Hydro Incaluit

(14:33):
transmission project in BC. We wonder where any of our
major projects might be on that list. But it's also
important to note that some of the projects that we're
announced in the first wave and now in the second
wave of projects are not new. Some of these have
been approved for a long time, like the CIST in
mind critical Minerals in New Brunswick. That's been on the
table for quite a long time. So you wonder what

(14:54):
the parameters are to get on this cofeted list. So
some of this, you know, some of these brand new
Academy Hydro Nuvo mode graphite phase that's Phase number two
in Quebec, the Northwest Critical Conservation Corridor, and yes, some
of the other operations, expansion of the Port of Montreal,
what have you. But some of this is regurgitated, you know,
even with when we talked liquified natural Gas Phase two

(15:17):
and Kiddimat that's been approved for a long time, quite
a long time, and just quick reference to what is
obviously going to be One of the concerns voiced by
some is the question of where's the pipeline. Okay, it's
a good question, but I think the better question is
what pipeline. There's no proposed pipeline, So when we're talking

(15:41):
about shovel ready projects. Then obviously some of these are
regurgitated and re announced, but many of these have gone
through preparations to be so called shovel ready pipeline. There
is no pipeline proposal none. So I don't know how
we can put something on a list that is just
mythical at this moment in time, but it gets lots
of questions and concerns. Sick with Alberta and we'll Addquebec

(16:03):
to this particular conversation news conference held yesterday by the
Canadian Security Intelligence Service ceases. Look, as much as the
United States has turned into a problem for the country,
there's no question bigger problems on the horizon are currently
in play. China and Russia and foreign interference. We had
a Justice Marie Jose Hogue commissioned inquiry regarding foreign interference

(16:27):
into elections. The same concerns are now being voiced about
foreign interference into potential separation referendums. It's going to happen
in Quebec again for the third time when the Party
Quebecua are going to be successful, and they are because
the Coalition d Avonair under Lego, They're gonna get pummeled.
They're gonna get smoked. So that leader of the Partty Quebecua,

(16:49):
Pierre Plamondon, he said, foreshore, if they win, here comes
another referendum, So there's a concern there. Alberta looks like
they're going to have one sometime into the future, both
of which are fool hardy in my personal opinion. But
foreign interference doesn't necessarily mean that the numbers of ballots
cast in one side or the other is changing. It's
the information that is used and abused to try to interfere,

(17:12):
especially in G seven countries. So their goal might be
to influence one party or another to be successful, one
yes or no vote to be successful. But it's the upheaval,
it's the chaos and the crisis that they covet because
when a country is in chaos or crisis, of course,
focusing on the prizes, getting people's business attended to, as

(17:32):
opposed to putting out fires is exactly what the Chinese
and the Russians, and the North Koreans and the Iranians,
and yes, the Americans. It's what they try to pull off.
But we've got to keep your eye on that. The
news conference also included comments about the radicalization of youth online,
and we know it to be true. It's not hyperbolic.
There's been teenagers in this country charged with a legend

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to try to have plots, whether it be attacks in
the Jewish community or immigrant community, or any segment of society.
So again, I'll give you a break with my artificial
intelligence concerns today. But that news conference from CCC yesterday
eye opening, to say the least. Oh just one more,
very quick. I hear a ton about crossing the floor.

(18:17):
Should when a member of Parliament or a member of
the House of asembily cross the floor, should that trigger
by election? I don't know sure why not, But it's
the fake outrage on this particular floor crossing of Chris Dautramento.
People might feel betrayed. I get it, But we're pretending
like this is a one off, this is some sort
of rare occurrence. It's not. In the history of the

(18:39):
country under the Westminster parliamentary system, there's been over three
hundred four crossings. But let's look in more current times.
In the past twenty five years, eighty members of Parliament
across the floor. So how all of a sudden this
is drawing the outrage that it has is unbelievable. More
conservatives have more liberals have crossed the conservatives stand the

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other way around. But all of a sudden, this Dodtrimaw
story is apparently something that nobody's ever heard of. Whether
or not it's healthy for democracy, I'll leave it up
to you whether or not it's you trigger a by
election fair ball. But pretending that all of a sudden,
this is something that we've never seen the like is
just simply enough the case. We're on Twitter for videosim opaline,
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(19:21):
Let's have a great show to wrap up the week.
That means you're in the queue to talk about whatever's
on your mind. Don't go ahead, welcome back to the show.
Let's go to let everyone to say more to Brenda
Kitchen with Protect van Ol and good morning Brenda. You're
on the air.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Hey, good morning, Patty. Thanks so much for having me.
There's so much going on on the island. I think
you're doing a great job bringing attention to all these
really important things, and I guess I just wanted to
touch base and let you know where we were with
the trial and where some of these with energy to
hydrogen mayor.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Projects are sure and for the listeners benefit. Brenda and
to other women are on trial for what they were
arrested when protesting on Confederation Building Hill in the park
out there in the boat. And this was all about
protesting wind energy projects or proposals. Share in the problems.
Just so people know what we're talking about. Go ahead, Brenda,
what's the update.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yes, thank you so much. I mean it's been over
a year now dealing with these charges. We had our
trial there in October and the first day of trial,
seven of the charges were dropped immediately, so we saw
that as a very good sign. And the trial itself,
we felt went really well and we feel confident that
the remaining two charges will be dropped. And those two

(20:29):
charges are unauthorized use of government property. That's the provincial
legislation that the government has in place. And on January
fourteenth it is going to be closing arguments. We're not
sure if the judge will have a decision that day,
but January fourteenth will be the next time that we
are due in court. And you know, it was all

(20:51):
about transparency and accountability when it comes to these wind
energy hydrogen mayor projects that are being proposed. We were
asking primarily the Liberal government because they appear to be
the ones pushing these projects forward. We've been asking them
questions for Jess over three years now, and we have

(21:11):
to question. You know, these arrests are really about continuing
to quiet people and push the projects forward. And you know,
would the arrest even that happened if the PCs were
in power. I don't know, But we really welcome a
fresh start with the new PC government. We believe that
change can happen for the better if there's dialogue and

(21:37):
protect and l We're continuing to stick to the facts
about these projects and they are still very active and
moving forward. I'm happy to say that our team is growing,
so we are reaching more and more Newfoundlanders and Labradorians,
like we have over seven thousand people now in our
Protect NL group. Encourage people to go and find that

(21:58):
on Facebook and get involved with the discussion. People still
don't realize that these projects are all connected with creating hydrogen,
which requires massive amounts of our fresh water resources. So again,
like we're looking forward to a fresh start with the
new government. We like that they're looking at the facts,

(22:20):
like the MoU at Churchill falls, and we feel that
they're going to want to demonstrate early competency and avoid
inherited scandal or any bad decisions that were made. So
we're going to continue to let people know about the
projects and the excessive water demands that we're seeing, especially

(22:40):
with all the droughts that we experience this summer. You know,
people's attention are there and they are very concerned. But
I'll just talk about World Energy GACH too. They're the
company that has the green light from government and the

(23:00):
amount of water that they want. Now you've heard me
say time and time again, World Energy GECH to their
behaviors is deeply deceptive. They continue to mislead the public
time and time again. And you know a few years
ago when they first came on the scene, they claim
that they wanted two point three million leaders of our

(23:21):
water at their peak performance, which we would be equivalent
to twenty two Olympic sized swimming pools. And now we're
going back and we're trying to find information because now
everything I'm pushing out, we're going to be making sure
we have the references.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
There, the research studies.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
No more fooling around. It's just three years and these
companies are still moving forward. So now we can only
find information to support that they want less than a
million leaders, which would be equivalent to two Olympic s,
five swimming pools. They continue to massage their data and
their numbers, like it's really hard to get straight answers
from them. And remember, you know, you're chatting about the

(24:01):
data centers. So I go on their website yesterday to
you know, just because again it's always changing, and they
make a point to bring up the data centers on
their website now and they're discussing how the government of
Canada has committed seven hundred million dollars for data centers,
so like, you know, you don't know what the company
is up to, what direction they're going in, and data

(24:25):
centers a lot of rabbit hole to go down. It
can use they can use up the nineteen to twenty
million liters of fresh water every single day, So like
we're just looking at the water demands and how excessive
they are. You know, the impact zones that the experience
to moderate the severe drout this past summer. I mean,

(24:46):
these are some of the impact zones of where these
projects want to shut set up, right, Yeah, A.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Couple of quick click points there. So World Energy for statters,
if they're now talking about Plan B being artificial intelligence
data centers, my understanding is any approval that's been granted
in the past or releases from environmental assessment are purpose
driven and it's only for wind energy, green hydrogen, pneumonia
export data centers. Right back to the drawing board, because

(25:12):
I think there's a much different financial impact the economic partly.
The environmental impact very much would be similar, but the
economic impact vastly different. Number One, the reservoir that World
Energy is talking about is an abandoned industrial reservoir which
they can't use all the water that's in it anyway,
and it's not a drinking water reservoir, which is just

(25:35):
a fact. Not that it's pushing back against your point.
But my question for you, Brenda is what gives you
any reason to believe that the current PC government is
opposed to these wind projects because they've never come out
and said it.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
No, I don't feel that they're currently opposed to the projects.
I don't, but I'm looking at their behavior and I'm
looking that they're pushing for the facts on a Churchill
m olu and I'm hoping that they're going to want
to avoid the incompetencies that we've seen by the Liberal government,

(26:08):
and I'm hoping that that's what's going to inspire them
to come to the table and speak with us and
have that dialogue. But you're right, Patty, the PCs do
have a platform statement and I can send it to
you where they do support the win the hydrogen mega projects,
So you know, we're we want to have We're more

(26:32):
looking at their behavior, how horrible the Liberals are acting
in the opposition role. They don't want to have anything
to do with any of their bad decisions. That's what
you know. We watch the actions of people, not just
their words, and we see that Tony or Premier wakem
Sorry is pushing further on the m ol U and

(26:52):
that's the sort of thing that gives us, you know,
the the confidence I guess that that we're going to
be able to speak to this new government. But you're right,
they do support the wind hydrogen mayor projects.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Well, I mean, I don't know what level of full
throat at support they do or don't have, but they've never,
in my understanding, never come out and said we are
opposed to whether it be world Energy or ever Wind
or REVERAK or Pattern or any of the current proposals
that are in play. Pattern's a bit differently because because
Phase one is not crown Land, so they can kind
of proceed pretty much of their own court. So yeah,

(27:28):
I don't know. Next time we have a chance to
speak with the Premium, I've got a laundry list of
stuff we need to talk about, and that's one of them.
And the Upper Churchill MoU concerns. You know, I know
there's plenty of people of pose, and there's plenty of
people in favor of but some of this is as
much a political exercise as it is an examination of
the economics of it all. This is what it feels
like anyway.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Ah well, I you know, well that would be I
just you know, we are we're just in a spin
that we're still through years later, and we got to
look at the actions and we have to continue to
push out the facts and if if it is just a.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Political same maneuver, then again, you know what, these decisions
are going to fall to the people to influence government
and the outcomes, and people are getting more and more
educated all the time, and with World Energy GCH too,
you know, I don't know how we can believe anything
that they're saying, to be honest with you, because they've

(28:30):
lied to us so many times and they're massaging their
numbers on their website. They say the waters come up
from that reservoir, but their behavior has shown us that
they lie all the time. So why would we trust
them that is was of wire that they're planning to
take it from this company? Like we are the kings
and queens, we own the resources, we hold all the cards.

(28:53):
We don't need to be jumping in bid with companies
like World Energy GCH two who's continuing to mislead the
public again and again. So you know, if they're not
going to do the wind energy, the hydrogen Mega projects
can't hold the project, get off the Crown lands. Let
some people get some sleep. People are stressed out. I

(29:14):
hear people. They're up all night. They're trying to research
these projects. They're trying to reach hydrogen ammonia plants. People
are really really worried and this that has to stop.
So if World Energy G two is going to give
up on the wind energy, the hydrogen MAGA project can't
sold their project, get off the land. And if they
want to go after something else put their proposal in

(29:36):
and in the meantime, we have to continue to educate
Newfoundlanders and Labradorians about a huge demand on our freshwater resources.
And that's only one company and currently there's like I
think there's like six to seven of these mega projects
attempting to move forward. And you know, way back when
we first started it, we had we did two petitions,

(29:59):
but the first one was asking government to do some
sort of cumuli research on what doesn't mean to our
province to have six or seven of these mega projects
operating at the same time drawing on that water. And
I know in Central I do think it comes from
one of their you know, highly prized reservoirs that feeds

(30:21):
into the river which automatically feeds into and people from
that area can call in and educate us more on that.
It is hard to stay on top of all this stuff,
but you know, but you know, it's all the projects
together now that and they are moving forward. I mean Abo,
it's a they're looking at putting turbines along like the

(30:42):
avalan Isthmus area. Their turbines are they're proposing are the
tallest now for the province at seven hundred and fifty
one feet tall, and their deadline date for public feedback
is December sixteenth, you know. And I've asked questions just
on every project that's been going through this EIS process
with government. I've never received any answers at all, and

(31:07):
you know, so do we ever get any answers. But
all of these projects are continuing to move forward. Uh,
and people still need to be very concerned. I keep hearing,
you know, their get of water. They're not going to
be any of these projects going ahead, but they are.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
There's no market until anybody signs a power perts agreement.
No one's going to build anything because it'd be building
a bridge to nowhere, as they say. Now, will there
be some agreement in the future. I have no idea,
but currently none even though the MOUs that have been
signed across the pond, no actionally on those there are
simply pieces of paper. So I guess we'll all see.
But I mean, even World Energy has been quite clear
unless they sign a minimum tenure power Pertse agreement, they

(31:46):
are not going to proceed with one single investment dollar,
which I'd like to know. What's the status of the
one hundred and twenty seven million dollar line of credit
with the federal government as well. To be honest, Brenda,
I got to get to the break, but I appreciate
your time, stay in touch.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Can I just say one quick thing? How much you're
selling the water?

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Four?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Okay, go ahead, yeah, point zero zero zero five cents
a leader, which so one million liters will only cost
these companies.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Five hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
It's five hundred bucks per one thousand cubic meters of
water that's licensed and use, fifty bucks per one thousand
cubic meters licensed and not used.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
You know, back in nineteen ninety nine when Roger Grimes
was trying to sell the water in Gisborne Lake, they
had a water resources protection plan, So like this is
another huge concern that people really need to look at.
But Patty, thank you so much for your time today,
and thank you for talking about the herd issues here.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Appreciate your time, Brenda, thank you all righty bye bye bye.
And then there's tared royalties based on cost recovery. It's
ten percent after one time cost recovery, twenty percent after
two times thirty or pardon me, twenty five percent after
three times cost recovery. So even if these things happen,
the warrant is on flow until they've recover their capital investment.
Wild let's take a break Oka Away. Oh, welcome back

(32:57):
to the show. Let's go line number three. Bend your
on the air line number three, Ben Dave, was that
pot up by chance? Hello? Ben, you're around the air,
Ben on hold line number two, Dwayne around the air.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Yes, good morning, Patty morning. I was talking with you
back in June about my mother dying after being missdiagnosed
at to be or an hospital.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I recalled the conversation.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
Yeah, So anyway, I contacted a lawyer and I got
back to them, but they let me to just quickly
go through the case and what happened just anyone who
didn't there, sure, So anyway, a summer thing had happened
three years earlier when my mother was sick and she
went up to the orn and they sat aroum. Three
o'clock that time in the morning, and she was stinging

(33:47):
any better for three days. She went back and that
second time they kept her in and she got better
after a few days. And so yeah, smilar thing happened
in But I guess they didn't have no room with
me either. Anyway, Mother's Day this year, my mother had
been sick for a few weeks and she went up
to the Bjorn hospital and after waiting there in a

(34:08):
wheelchair for six hours, they sent her on Feve o'clock
that night, said they didn't have no room for her
and that she wasn't the top priority. Took her six
hours to for him to finally look at her in
her wheelchare. So anyway, she spent the next three days
in bed at home and went back on the following
Wednesday to to Bjorn hospital, and this time they said

(34:29):
her kidneys were failing, and they rushed her to Saint
John's the next morning and there they did the emergency
surgery on her and she pulled through it. So that
was Thursday. So we kept her in Saint John's for
a week and sent her back to the or in
the following Thursday. And I was up to see her
that day and she was doing good. She was talking

(34:51):
to herself and all, and she went to the washroom
using her walker, which is the only time I saw
her out of bed actually for the week she was
up there. That was Thursday. So the next day, Friday,
I was up there and this doctor came into her room.
She said he was here for a week from Russia,
and he came to her room and said she had pneumonia,

(35:12):
and he was putting her on this medication for the pneumonia,
and that she would get to go home in a week,
possibly even four or five days. So great, I'm thinking.
So that was a Friday, and from there it was
all downhill. By the next Thursday, she was she was
on oxygen up there, she could hardly talk. And the

(35:32):
next day Friday, they took her back into Saint John's
and she died a couple of days later, on a Sunday.
So anyway, the doctor in there said, what happened to her? Right,
she was going better when we sent her right there
to be on you know what. So all I could
say was, you know, this Russian doctor came into her

(35:53):
room that day, told her she had pneumonia and put
her on this medication and said she could go home
in a week, and said she went back into Saint
John's in a week. So anyway, the doctor in there
said that appears she didn't have pneumonia at all, so
she had been misdiagnosed, and that the medication he put
her on out there and beyond a further week in
her kidneys and led to her dying. So anyway, I

(36:17):
she started to contact the lawyer and Mary's down first.
Then he said it could take five or ten years
to go through the legal system, and that he was
a bit old at the time and so he wasn't
taken on. But he said I could contact one of
the bigger law firms in Saint John's, which I did
and sent in AMA's medical records of the whole time
she was in the hospital, of the medication they gave

(36:38):
her and all that, and yeah, so I forget the
I thought I was a run around for a few weeks.
The lawyer said that the doctor's in this province pretty
much i'll stick together and cover for each other, and
that I would need the medical opinion of a doctor
from another province, which could cost up five thousand dollars

(36:58):
and it will still be our to prove, so that
they weren't going to take the case on. I even
suggested they could keep all the money, whether if they want,
whether the money they got they could keep, but she
said that they could legally only take thirty percent or something,
So anyway, they weren't going to take on the case.
And yeah, so basically it's just a warning to others
that this could happen to you, and careful when you're

(37:20):
going to the hospital.

Speaker 6 (37:22):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Medical bout practice is an extremely tricky piece of legal business.
I know that to be true, and unfortunately I know
a little bit too much about it, given the fact
that we've kind of dealt with it. Yeah, I mean again,
I'll reiterate to my condolences to you in your family.
It's just a dreadful story. We've had a misdiagnosis in

(37:45):
our family which led to eventually a death. So I
get it. I was going to talk about another personal
story on their front. Put it's neither here nor there.
It's a fair warning and people really have to be
diligent in dealing with any facet of life, and certainly
that includes the healthcare sector, no doubt about it. And
I'm not sure what else to say, because it's just

(38:05):
all too sad, boy, to be honest, anything else you'd
like to say?

Speaker 5 (38:10):
No, not really, like I said, just warning to others
to you know, this is Christmas coming on now, and
my mother has been there, my all of life right,
and this year she won't be because they didn't take
her in soon enough, so they in that room for
her and then this darring oster. Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I'm really sorry you you hang in there, Dwayne. You're
always welcome on the program.

Speaker 7 (38:33):
All right, Thanks, Betty, take.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Good care, bye bye. Okay, So I guess it is
time for break when we come back. Some good news.
How about that, don't go away, welcome back to the show.
Let us go. Let number four is take me on
to the CEO at avalon employment that Sean Wiltshire. Sean,
you're on the air.

Speaker 8 (38:52):
Good morning, Patty, how are you great today?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 8 (38:55):
Good? Thank you. I'm delighted to have an opportunity to
have a chat about some great news.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Absolutely. Let me set the stage going back last year
and the moneys that were lost. So in the Labor
Market Development Agreement, the federal government county I think was
six hundred and twenty five million dollars from it. The
impact in this province was the loss of around sixteen
and a half seventeen million dollars for organizations like yours
to try to find help people with disabilities or autism
find employment. So just to set the stage and I

(39:20):
want to the good news, right.

Speaker 8 (39:22):
So I'm happy to announce that over the last number
of months, with working with the federal government from Employment Development,
Employment Development, Social Development Canada and the CoA, which is
an interesting department, we've been able to secure over five
million dollars to advance the autism employment program that we
started here in Newfoudland and Labrador to Nova Scotia and

(39:43):
New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island and four locations here in
Newfoundland and Labrador. I think that anybody who works in
community or anybody who works in organizations can understand what
a large commitment this is to the folks in the
provinces in Atlantic Canada, and what a great honor it
is to have a program that we developed here in
Newfoundland and Labrador go beyond our borders. And I think

(40:06):
that this was something that really made the programs sort
of attractive to government. They weren't recreating everything, they were
taking a program that had already had been able to
you know, during the pandemic Patty, we helped two hundred
and two people across Newfoundland Labrador, you know, who were
on income support or other programs, leave those programs and
go to work, those savings to government, those savings to

(40:27):
the community, filling some of those labor markets. I know
we have challenges across the province that you know. Yes
there is higher unemployment in other areas, but in some
parts of the province we're struggling to find folks. And
these are the folks we're looking for. This program is
designed for folks who are are living on the autism spectrum,
who may have gone to university and gotten a degree

(40:48):
but have not been able to get a job, and
their degree is going to waste. Their skills are going
to waste, and we need those in the labor market.
A prime example is one of the folks we helped.
He was somebody who did a finance degree and wasn't
able to hold a job Patty. His work quality was good,
but people couldn't always interact with him because he didn't

(41:09):
get the social signals. He was on unemployment. Then he
went on income support for three years welfare and he
had so many skills and through this program he now
works for the federal government in an auditor's position at
Revenue Canada, making over sixty thousand dollars a year. Those
are just some of the stories that we're going to
be able to tell. We're required part of our process

(41:30):
and throughout these four provinces in the Atlantic Canada, where
our goal is to help seven hundred people find employment
and help three hundred employers become aware of how they
could hire somebody with autism. If we just meet four
hundred people, we'll save the four governments a collective sixteen
million dollars. And the program only costs five million for

(41:52):
two years for four provinces, and we're going to hopefully
be able to save sixteen million dollars. This is something
that we start to need to understand that investments in
helping people get a job, I'm just not helping getting
somebody to get a job. I'm actually creating a tax payer.
And that's what our government wants. That's what any government
wants is people working, spending money and in the community

(42:13):
paying taxes. Absolutely, that's what this program is about.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, good for you and for everyone who's the driving
forces behind it. You know, this is something that you
already know. But we can talk about getting a job,
expanding the tax space, but it also comes with personal
investment and increase self worth and gratifications that you're part
of something that you weren't part of in the past.
That would be the workforce. So there's an individual upside
of this on top of an economic off side. And

(42:37):
I know you know that, I just wanted to put.

Speaker 8 (42:39):
It out there, absolutely, and for many families, this change
is their whole living dynamic. For the moms and dads
that are out there that have kids who've gone through
university but are struggling to make the connection because they
don't always get the social signals or they struggle in
social environments. When we have somebody like that get a job,
the whole family dynamic changes. People become more of who

(42:59):
they were supposed to be, which is a fully participating citizen,
and that includes having that opportunity to contribute, but also
having that opportunity to be a taxpayer, that opportunity to
be somebody else's equal. So it's a great opportunity and
we're really super proud of the work that has gone
on here. We've got the programs running in Saint John's,

(43:20):
in Clarenville, in Cornerbrook and in lab West. We've got
dedicated staff folks in any of the provinces of Atlantic
Canada who may be listening can look at the site.
It's called Autism Atwork dot Ca and that'll direct you
to the province that will be able to help you.
There are organizations in Monkton, Halifax and Prince Edward Island

(43:45):
that have been leaders in helping people find work, and
there are partners. I will say Patty, that there is
nobody I did not meet with about this project. As
you know, I talked to everybody every chance I got.
And what government finally understood with this this is a
new way. I went to the other provinces and I said,
we have a solution. Let us come together forget about

(44:07):
our egos, about our programming and what we're doing. Let's
collaborate and see if we can fix this problem. And
government was interested because it was a new way of
doing business. This wasn't somebody putting out a request. We
went to government and said, we're going to collaborate across
four provinces. It's never been done before, and we're really
excited to have the opportunity to maybe solve some of

(44:29):
the problems that we're seeing around folks who are neurodiverse.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
It's terrific news and I welcome it this morning. So
it's one thing to create this program and to get
it funded, provide the training so that people can't enter
or re enter the workforce. But of course then we
need people to hire them. I know that so many
people operating business may have some adverse reaction to hiring
someone from the disabled community and or someone on the

(44:55):
autism spectrum. Watch our message to employers, because that's the
other half of this component, which is is obviously critically important.

Speaker 8 (45:02):
Well, I'll tell you what one thing I've learned over
my thirty five year career. Businesses know how to manage change,
and they're experts at it. So I'm just asking them
to apply that knowledge of change to their hr. What
any business is looking for, Patty, is a dedicated, well versed,
skilled up employee, and those are the folks that we're matching.

(45:22):
This isn't a case of where we're going to place
somebody and they're going to have to learn. If you
need somebody who knows how to do GIS mapping for
oil exploration, we'll get that person. If you need somebody
who's got a degree in finance and is able to
look at spreadsheets for eight hours a day, we're going
to get that person. This is really about understanding the
employer's need. The employer needs a good employee, and that's

(45:43):
what we have and what we really are trying to
do here is get people over that first hump, get
them in the door so that they can demonstrate their skills.
An employer doesn't care at the end of the day.
They're not in business to hire people. They're in business
to make money. So I'm going to give you the
great employe that you're looking for, and we're going to
give you some pointers about how to get the best

(46:04):
out of them. So maybe you might give them direction
through an email rather than telling them so that there's
no confusion. But folks have the skills. They maybe sometimes
don't always receive the information the way you and I do.
But business is no change, and what businesses know is
that if they don't adapt, they're not going to be
able to survive the demographic changes. Not only we have

(46:26):
a new flannel labador, but across the country. You know,
we're the oldest population, we have more heart disease, kidney disease,
we have we're one of the first provinces to go
over the majority of one of the biggest forces of
our population being over sixty five. So we have to
include all of the folks in the labor market if
we want the labor market to be healthy. But businesses

(46:46):
know that they're going to need some help, and that's
what we're here for.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Bravo. As the training in the program up and running already,
are still needs sometime hits ground.

Speaker 8 (46:53):
No, we started in April, but it's been a very
long process. I mean, here's a kudos to Atlantic Canada
Opportunities Agency e SDC. The staff at those organizations have
been working with us for like six months and have
really been doing great wonders. But I'm proud to say
we're only really announced two weeks. We've got seventy nine
people in the program and twenty eight people have already
gotten work.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Bravo. Sean, appreciate the good news and your reforts here
this morning or over the months. I appreciate your time, Patty.
All right, boyd Bye. Sean Wilter, CEO of avalon Employment.
That's an excellent news story. Just very quickly have been
asked why didn't I say this? Why didn't I talk
about that? So the story of the numerous serve of tourism, culture, arts,
recreation Andrew Barber and the bit about TikTok videos and

(47:36):
stuff like number one TikTok videos about dancing or cooking
or yoga or exercise or making pooh out of playdough
or what. I couldn't care less. I honestly couldn't issues
regarding you know, thoughts on public policy regarding government operations
that tourism or immigration. Sure, we'll ask questions, but the
social media stuftened them to and fro now and now

(47:57):
apparently there's record of then Premier Hogan retweeting Donald Trump's
for starters. You know, if there's very specific questions we
can ask of either individual, either party, let's do it.
But this to and fro about social media wars, it's tedious,
It really truly is. So if you want specific questions

(48:20):
asked that has an impact on government policy and my life,
in your life, and our taxes and jobs in healthcare
and education and criminal justice, let's do that. And for
the parties, let's get serious. Let's let's be serious people there,
because there's serious times. Let's take a break. Can you
stay right there to talk about the major Project's office
and what's not on the two aforementioned lists. Don't away.

(48:43):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go line number one. Ken,
you're on the air.

Speaker 7 (48:48):
Good morning, Patty, Good morning to you. I just want
to tell you a little bit about a post that
was published on Facebook by Republic of Nukeland, Labrador. I'm
just going to read their posts. There's only a couple
of paragraphs, Okay, so they go on. They say that
both provincial and federal Liberal governments have been promising that

(49:11):
Data North and gal Island would be placed on the
National fast Track list. But last night, when Mark parently
unveiled the structure, Newcoonland and Barbrador wasn't mentioned at all.
Our projects weren't even listed. They weren't included, they weren't
even acknowledged. Meanwhile, politicians they're at home were telling us

(49:35):
they would be. So who's telling the truth. Who's telling
us what you want to hear? And they finished with
Newconland and Librador. Deserves them, deserves honesty, not empty promises.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Who said they would be on any major projects list.
I know there's people talk about we hope they are,
they should be. Well, I don't recall anybody saying they
would be in fact, I mean, I've talking about this
for quite a long time, but I don't know if
I've ever heard anyone say they are going to be
on one list, whether the original list or the list
announced yesterday. So let's dig into it a little bit.

(50:10):
Beta Noord at this moment in time is fully approved.
We're waiting on equinor ecuinor is the whole up here
no level of government because that's simply a business decision
has to be made at this moment of time. So
for either or Project gall Island and or Beta Noord,
what do you think federal involvement or fast tracking would include,
Because I get the beata or conversation, but it's the
fast track is over, the approvals are done, So I

(50:33):
don't know how that gets on a list when we're
just waiting for equinor. Now there's one area where Ottawa
could play a role with paid in Ord, and that's
the whole issue regarding articulated too of the United Nations
Convention of the Law of the Sea, which means that
outside our economic protective zone that there's going to be
hundreds of millions of dollars or royalties have to be
paid to developing Nations kind of the signed down to it.

(50:54):
There was an argument between the province and the country
or the federal government about who should pay it. This
province didn't sign that declaration with that convention of the
law to see the countryside. So maybe there's a role
for aud water play there. But beyond that, what do
you think Beta ORB would be involving the feds?

Speaker 7 (51:10):
You know what, I gotta be honest with daddy. I
know very little about these projects or anything like that.
I did read this morning that Bernie fast tracked and
LNT product sorry project out of BC that he has
invested invested interest in. I don't know if that's true,

(51:32):
but I did read the report and stuff like that,
So I don't know, Like I'm just I'm not you know,
I'm I'm.

Speaker 9 (51:39):
Not like you.

Speaker 7 (51:40):
I'm not very knowledgeable on these things and stuff like that.
But it's interesting. And this piece that was published by
Republic of Land l over door. So I think what
you're telling me is that this is not fact based.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
No, some of it's not. And I'm not trying to
play who knows what game with you at all, Okay,
And I'm just having a conversation and I'm just making
the point that Beta Nord, like the Major Project's Office,
is to fast track projects, and so this one has
been through the entire process like it's over as far
as governments are involved. Well that's not true. The benefits
agreement between the province and equinor about jobs and royalties

(52:18):
and equity state that's yet to be decided, but it's
approved by the Fence. So that's the only reason I
mentioned it. But they could play a role with Article
L eighty two one hundreds of millions of dollars and
like reference Kidamat and the Liquefied Natural Gas Phase two,
so that's LNG Canada. That phase two Phase one is
the processing facility that's already up and running in kidd
of Maat. And what I mentioned off the show is
some of these are regurgitated, regurgitated projects that includes LNG

(52:42):
two because that's been approved for years. So that's where
I think we don't we're getting a little bit misled
about some of these projects like the CIS and mine
and new Bruns with critical minerals that's been approved for
a long time. So I don't really understand the list,
to be honest with you, nor do I understand what's
going to get fast tracked for projects that have been
out there and some of them already approved. So I
really don't know what belongs on the list or what

(53:04):
doesn't belong on the list. Let's move on to Gaul Islands.
There's possibly a role to play there, no doubt about it.
Let's just think about the fact that Quebec is currently
actively and aggressively lobbying the federal government for contributions to transmission,
which would be part and parcel part of the Gall
Island project, because you've got to get the power out
of there. It's not just build a dam. So there's
possibly a role for the Feds there.

Speaker 7 (53:29):
Well anyway, Patty, but I do have a question for you.
A couple of years ago, didn't the Chancellor of Germany
come to New Land looking for it's LND and wasn't
there a pilot project already started? I believe it was
in Placenta to export this land L and G. I

(53:50):
don't know. They they're just questions.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
It's a good question. So there was a proposal in
conjunction with some indigenous communities to pipeline gas from offshore
to sure on the island. And I don't know how
much activity that proposal has since gotten. I mean, when
the Europeans came to Canada talking about LNG, then Prime
Minister Trudeau stuck his foot right squarely down his mouth

(54:14):
and throat by saying there's no business model for it.
It's not really up to the government to decide whether
or not there's a business model. It's up to business
to decide whether or not if there's a business model.
And in this province natural gas, which we know there's
trillions a cubic feet of natural gas off our shores.
The number one problem for industry and government today with
our gas is there's no royalty regime. So no company

(54:36):
knows exactly what kind of profit they can make of
it because they don't know how much money they owe
the government. So until the government gets off there, you know,
Watts and creates this royalty regime, they looking to have
a further conversation about what the future natural gas looks like.

Speaker 7 (54:48):
Okay, another question wasn't it wasn't this okay? Once I
believe he said there was no business case. I don't
know if he was in Alberta what he said that,
or if he was in a New Fouinland. Why did
that what kick started the win to hydrogen in the
so called industry in New Zealand? Wasn't that the beginning
of it?

Speaker 2 (55:07):
When Trudel said that, well, there certainly is very similar timeframes.
The Chancellor of Germany and many huge European companies and
their leadership, they were indeed in Stephenville and they were
talking about wind at that time. It was very win
specific conversation. Well not wind green hydrogen. And of course
all those MOUs with Germany, the MoU with the port

(55:27):
of Rotterdam, the MoU with the Port of Amsterdam, it's
just a piece of paper, like they haven't even start
to build any off taking capacity infrastructure on the other
side of the pond. None. So, all of these MOUs
specifically on wind green hydrogen ammonia for export, that's still
at the very much just one step past the starting
line by the look of bit.

Speaker 7 (55:48):
Okay, well, okay, with that said, Patty, my question is
is it too late to develop new lands ND And
wouldn't this bring in massive revenue for this for you know,
for this minders like revenue like wouldn't it wouldn't this

(56:09):
make lines that Nick Landers better. The government, whoever they
are liberal or conservative, would you put money into.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Their conference which projects to onshore.

Speaker 7 (56:20):
Wind No, the LNG project, Oh absolutely.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I mean if if all of the all the natural gas,
of course, then of course you could compress it or
liquefy it. Yes, it would absolutely be money, and it
probably would expand the job based consequently expand the tax face.
So yeah, there is money in it, no doubt about it.

Speaker 7 (56:38):
And there would have to be no government stuff today involved. Right,
it could be total self sufficient projects.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
That's a bit of a moving target because the provincial
government has made a move in the recent paths to
give companies a break on exploration, like just last summer
excell Wove got a fifty million dollar break, which is
not huge when you talk about the cost of flooring.
But they're oil and gas companies do indeed receive some
support from governments. Could they be standing alone on their

(57:09):
own two feet? Absolutely? Will they depends if they ask
for government money or government support and get it, because
of course every business asks for that kind of stuff.
So the only gas subsidies in this country are significant,
but here absolutely profit to be made off. Short regarding guys,
no doubt about it.

Speaker 7 (57:26):
Well, And I mean I was following the provincial elections
very closely, okay, And I don't recall Tony wakemb talking
about Newfoudland L and D with more talking about what's
more immediate crime, drugs and stuff like that. Right, But

(57:48):
still it seems like the just like the wind industry,
that seems to be a dead topic now, the L
and D industry, the possibility for that that's all water
under the bridge now too.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Yeah, I don't think that's a dead issue in the least,
to be honest, I think we're going to hear more
about that. Look, the oil and gas industry, the oil
operators off our shores, they know what they're sitting on
regarding natural gas. You know, whether or not they can
make a buck at it. At this moment of point,
it's still up for debate. I can't speak for all executives,
but their break even per the price per mmbtu, which

(58:27):
is how you price and sell gas versus barrels of oil,
they need it to be a little bit higher than
it is today for them to make money because it's
different when you do it offshore than it is if
you do it on shore. Look they talk about in
Alberta or what have you. So I don't know what
their number is these days about breaking even, but at
this moment of time, they kind of just push the
natural gas back into the reservoir so that they can

(58:49):
push the oil up. So yeah, there's a lot to it. It's
pretty competent.

Speaker 7 (58:54):
So having said that, Saddy, you know why is Mark
and he suddenly invested in l D A lot of
people are saying, it's simple, it's because you've got to
invested interest through Brookfield's asset suddenly.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
I don't know if Brookfield has any holdings with LNG Canada.
I don't know. I'd have to look, but I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 (59:14):
To be honest, Well, I'll tell you what I watched
or read and watched the report this morning, and whether
that guy is telling the truth or not, or whether
it's actually what he's saying. And he's pretty good and
he's a pretty good investigator and stuff like that. And

(59:35):
according to him, Ernie has definitely got his hands into
her brook Field, who Kearney is involved with, an hundreds
of other people, Like I said, it's funny that LL
and G is suddenly on the I don't even know

(59:57):
what the word to say or but suddenly L and
G is being talked about. But Nickmarin's being left the
iron And like you said, they've got trillions of qbeks
theater there that could be explorted.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, I look, blind trust is not perfect, but it's
the only tool we currently have at this moment of time.
But it's also important to remember plenty of gas projects
have been approved well before Mark Karney had anything to
do with being in a position of power as an
elected official, like Ellen g Phase one that was a
true deliberal project. So look, Brookfield is going to inevitably

(01:00:33):
have its hooks in or invested interest in a lot
of stuff, including notably modular homes, so they've got huge
holdings in that arena. But let's also mention the fact
that Brookfield Asset Management sits on about one trillion dollars
of assets, so inevitably they're going to be involved in
a variety of investment arenas infrastructure projects, just based on

(01:00:55):
the fact that a trillion is a lot. And on
that front, Look, it's nothing perfect about a blind trust,
no doubt about it. But you know who else has
investments on stock in Brookfield? Pierre Polief. No, sorry, I
was just asking the bare question. You know, who else
has investments in Brookfield?

Speaker 7 (01:01:16):
Hundreds of people that investments in Brookfield.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Oh, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, have investments in companies
that sit on a trillion dollars in assets, no doubt
about it.

Speaker 7 (01:01:28):
Oh anyway, Patty, I read this particle at the well
this morning, and I said, well, I'm going to follow
Paddy and get his opinion on this. And you know,
and in regards to what some guy NBC report is
what he's saying is right, I don't know, but maybe

(01:01:51):
it deserves further investigation. And I don't know. Its like
I don't know what. I really don't know what say.
I don't spend all day figure out what Mark Kearney
is doing. All all I can say all I can
say right now from where I sit in the grules.
They almost up. They should have a lot of them,

(01:02:16):
should be going to buyer's remotes now that they were
paying attention. They wouldn't have avoided for Kearney in the
first place. You know, And I don't mean this to
turn into I hate the liberals or I hate the
conservative but so far it is an eight month it
being in power for eight or nine months. Nothing seems

(01:02:37):
to be coming out of this for Newcomland.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Well, my last comment is is there a place for Beata,
Nord and Gaul and other infrastructure projects in this province?
Could they be onto this including critical minerals and Labrador.
My short answer is yes. If there's critical minerals minds
in other parts of the country on the this, why
couldn't they be here? But some of this is about
how far along some of these explorations and projects and
approvals and permits. So there's a lot too But should

(01:03:01):
this province be on the list at some point? Absolutely,
one hundred percent. Can I appreciate your time, thanks for
colin this morning. I gotta get to the break all right,
Thank you guy, well all the best. Bye bye, all right,
let's get that break in. Don't go away. Welcome back
to the program. So update now on the judicial recount
request put forward in three different voting districts. Join us
from the news from Brianadoor Brian around the air.

Speaker 10 (01:03:23):
Boy Hi drama in Supreme Court Newfoundland and Library door
this morning Patty. There is, oddly enough, there is going
to be a judicial recount in the district of Topsail
Paradise that was won by Paul din over Dan Bobbitt
just over one hundred votes, so that had the largest gap.
But that is going to be the recount. On the
Beeram Peninsula. The Placentia Bellevue district, that one is not

(01:03:47):
going to be RecA that was denied. It was won
by Jeff Dwyer over Brian Keating. And the other district
was the closest one eighteen votes where Derek Bennett lost
the Liberal and that recount was denied. So the drama continues.
The ruling came this morning by Supreme Court Justice Fawn's fower.

(01:04:08):
Brian Callahan was there will have lots more information throughout
the morning and on vlcm dot com on this story.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Yeah, it'd be nice to know a little bit more
about why that district was chosen, because it's got to
be about voting a regularities. Votes that were counted that
were so we're very similar, we got discounted, So I'd
like to know more about that because the eighteen vote
challenge does not get accepted, but the one hundred and
two vote challenge does, so there's something going on there.

Speaker 10 (01:04:32):
Yeah, and we know what kind of focused on the
special ballots, so it had to be something with that.
We'll try to get some more information from Brian Callahan
on that, and he's also trying to get some reaction
from the players at the courthouse as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Yeah, when we get some updates, You're welcome back on
the show. Thanks for doing this, Brian, right you are. Boy,
oh boy, that's fascinating. The one with the largest discrepancy
of votes gets accepted for juditial recount, which is going
to take time. Look, I don't dispute the right to
challenge if you think you have grounds and fair ball,
but we also know that Premier Waken said the House
will not be reopened until all the judicial recount issues

(01:05:06):
are solved, just as Fower said, that might not be
until the end of the month. And that's an ambitious timeline.
So there's a complicating factor. Let's go to line number three.
Charlie around the air.

Speaker 11 (01:05:16):
Good morning, Patty, Good morning. I was quite a surprise, Patty,
And I'm going to go through three or four things
fairly quickly. What if the pieces said about the Rathshow report,
the other government refused to release it, Ken, Ken, they
now released it themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
They can I asked Premier Wakem that direct question here
on this program, and he says, well, he hasn't seen it,
so he doesn't know what might be in it that
is legitimate, commercial sensitivities or what have you. But he
has seen it or he has not seen it. But
he said he would release everything that he can, and
I'll hold him too.

Speaker 11 (01:05:49):
It okay, great, the RCMP investigation into fraud with the
nurses travel, What's what's happening there? Have you heard anything?

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
There's been nothing advanced and publicly disclosed at this moment time,
so I don't.

Speaker 11 (01:06:02):
Know, okay. Regarding seals, I noticed when DFO talked about
the cod stocks diminishing in that particular area, they mentioned
a warming of water and so on. They did not
mention seals as far as I know. And I was thinking, Patty,

(01:06:24):
I wrote you about pet food and billions of dollars
there and how good seal met is for pets. I
was thinking back the Newfoundland governments, be the PC or Liberal,
they've never done a nationwide ad campaign like they did
with tourism, which was very effective regarding what the seals

(01:06:47):
are doing to the cord. They especially of the facts
now to back them up. If you had a strong
ad campaign in your face with cords, with with the bellies,
torn out cows, juxta patose juxtaposed against seals, the fact
that that we eat those and we can't eat seals

(01:07:10):
and add that really is in your face. Have you
ever heard of anything by either government over the years
that has done anything to educate the Canadian public?

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Minimal efforts. I mean, there was challenges to the pathetic
decision made by the World Trade Organization while Europeans were
feasting on four gras and going to bullfights, they banned
the trade of seal related products. So that's out there,
and there was a challenge to it. It was pretty lame.
There has been campaigns, say, for instance Narawa where they're
serving seal in the cafeteria and talking about the benefits

(01:07:44):
to indigenous communities of what have you, But no large scale, glossy,
glitzy ad campaign that I can recall anyway.

Speaker 11 (01:07:52):
No, And and and we have the facts behind this.
Republicans found out in the States these these heads that
are missing eating and so on, but that are strongly worded,
and we don't need to have lawyers. We've we've got
the facts with us, And it seems to me that
at this stage, I think Canadians should know what's happening

(01:08:13):
out here, that our card is being decimated, fishermen are
being affected and we have all that protein. It's it's
not a matter of the seal hunt endangering the seals anymore.
Everybody knows that, So I think they should this PC government.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
That Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:08:33):
I leave it at that, but I want to say
more about that at another time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Sure, I don't think Canadians are the problem, to be
honest with you, I think it's everybody else. Like if
I try to go to New York City with my
seal skin boots on, I have to cross the border
of my socks to take my boots. So, I mean,
we've got problems with trading partners. I think much more,
much more of consequence than what other Canadians think about.

Speaker 11 (01:08:55):
Necessarily, Canadians don't understand, is my opinion problem. I've got
that from any sources. Canadians don't understand the the the
that's happening out here to to cod and they they
sort of a lot of people fill in with those ads.
Got You've got no pressure, even the Green Party WIE support.

(01:09:18):
In most cases they they've come out against it. So
I don't believe Canadians are well up on this, and
I think if they were with some of the members,
especially conservative members, to start talking about this more. But anyway,
just just a thought.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
It's amazing what draws the attention of individuals. And this
is not about what side of the political spectrum you're on.
I mean, we had national news coverage, international news coverage
of three hundred osages getting called, and we have very
little discussion about four point six million harp seals out
there that now all of a sudden we're going to
have to include that fact in stock assessments. What what

(01:09:58):
does that even mean? What is it actually? The answer
to that is nothing.

Speaker 11 (01:10:01):
Exactly Well to me, that would be a good first step,
but we can we can we can debate that further
some other times. Uh, some of some of the homestead
as you've had on I had really admired these people
for being able to to do that work and and
and put up with what they had. Uh. They say
it's a dream, and I'm glad they're fulfilling their dream.

(01:10:25):
But I've noticed a couple of them have made comments
One regarding the storm surge, and all people said, well,
we always got that, and he was kind of poo
pooing influence of climate change on this, and I thought,
you come from Alberta and you're talking in burrs, and

(01:10:46):
you're talking among yourselves of course about climate change being
a hoax, and your own, your own heads, of your
own companies know exactly what's going on. And then I
was saying it, but I'd like to get cherry pick
of my own. We used to go across in Bay
Roberts and dig go across on the sea ice to

(01:11:08):
Ferguson's Island, and that was in the fifties and sixties,
and dig muscles here in Eastport in the fifties up
to the seventies. They used to cross the Bay are
for over the Sea of Island to get their wood.
And lastly in the last twenty five years we've spent here.

(01:11:29):
The first few years here there was a month of
days that we debated going out was so cold. This
last ten years you might get two or three days
that you would not consider going out. So if they
want a cherry pick about the past, and that it's
very clear what's happened. But anyway, I guess I'll.

Speaker 8 (01:11:51):
Leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I'm living in the north. This is information coming from
a listener. There has been a recent national ad campaign
by the Newfoundland Labrador Sea Association, including market research and
a follow up that campaign to come, but it obviously
didn't catch my attention, so I don't know what scale
it was. But that's information shared by our marketing professional.
Just then, Charlie, appreciate the time as usual, Thanks a lot,

(01:12:14):
can I can?

Speaker 11 (01:12:15):
I have one point on the Epstein files. What's coming
out from the Epstein estate is going to be a
lot more effective and revealing. And what's going to come
I believe from the what if Congress can can make
them turn over that because I think that that that
report is going to be sanitized. There's no reason they

(01:12:37):
haven't already done that. And and and the other warry,
of course, is that Trump wil Vita would even if
the other two pass. Yeah, anyway, I think what we'll
learn the most is tariffs and what they're doing to
the American people, especially the poorer people. And somebody said,
what would be his motivation and putting in those tariffs?

(01:12:58):
Because he said there was they always had trade deficit
is motivation is what it always.

Speaker 12 (01:13:03):
Is with him.

Speaker 11 (01:13:04):
It's revenge. He doesn't care what if they have to
pay more in the States. He just wants to get
back at him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Right, Well, we were told that the charts that have
no impact on price, but now all of a sudden
they're going to exempt coffee. Why because it drove the
price of coffee up. What do you know? And what
does Nigeri have that the government of the United States
might want to critical minerals? Maybe what about Venezuela oil
Maybe the biggest oil reserves in the world, even more
than Saudi Arabia or in Venezuela. So maybe just maybe
there's Aul Terrier motives. What do you know? And the

(01:13:31):
Epstein stuff. Look, I'm getting sick of the political oppoitato
with that has become. If you rape the child, go
to prison, whoever you are, wherever you are from you know,
and it's a hoax. Yeah, because Prince Andrew lost his
monic carl, part of his position in the monarchy, ripped
off his military rank because of a hoax. What a
load of nonsense. If you rape the child, go to

(01:13:51):
prison the end. I don't know how come that's such
a difficult conversation. Charlie, you gotta get going, appreciate your time.
Thank you, Eddie, all the best, Bye bye, I just
take a break. We'llme back. Charlie Oliver's in the queue.
He's with Think Knel. Let's talk about the uper pertrcial
MoU to one Street, the president of the FFAW, talk
about the most recent cod stock assessment three ps I
assume and then whatever you want to talk about. Don't go ahead,

(01:14:13):
welcome back to the show. Let's go to Lenar six.
Second morning, Charlie Oliver, who's with Thinking L Hello Charlie,
you're on the air. Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 12 (01:14:20):
Thank you and and to your listeners for joining this
what we're calling conversation and possibilities.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Let's do it. Where do we start?

Speaker 12 (01:14:28):
Where do we start? I took the time to read
the MoU as many have, and like many more have
found it confusing and gave it some further thought. Coming
out from a totally different perspective. I was asking myself
what are we missing? Not so much just what's in
the deal, is what are we missing? And as we've

(01:14:48):
done in the fisheries in the past, I sense that
we may have overlooked some value added opportunities that would
be available if we look at it with the different
lens so research and the basic components that you look
at if there is you pett you know, is that
it's a very cold climate, it has lots of water,
and it can potentially have a bond in hydro That

(01:15:11):
today speaks as saying we should look at the AI
and data center industry and say, is there a market
there for us to value add, create construction, create jobs,
add to a tax base. And that's what got me
going on this particular conversation on possibilities.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Yeah, let's have that conversation. I can only speak for
myself obviously, but if we look at the amount of
electricity that could be generated on the Churchill River, whether
the expansion at the upper or the development at Goal.
And remember at this current moment in time, gall is
pretty much under the authority of hydro Quebeca. If this
MoU ever becomes definitive agreements. But when we look at

(01:15:52):
power being produced and cost benefit analysis, our biggest bang
for the buck. You know, if you compare expansion in
the mining industry, are opening new minds to artificial intelligence,
data centers, the only bit of analysis I've ever been
able to wrap my mind around is industry not including
AI is a bigger bang for the buck your.

Speaker 12 (01:16:11):
Thoughts one percent degree and I guess to give some
I guess credit or balance back to the negotiating team.

Speaker 9 (01:16:20):
When this was.

Speaker 12 (01:16:21):
Probably commenced, AI was in the infancy. The past four
to five years, it has expanded and it is an
industry whereby there is more value for every megabat that
comes out of it going into compute into AI than
it would be to simply export it. And the question
is how do we attract that? And Patty, there's been

(01:16:43):
recent changes in that industry over the past six to
eight months where go back in time and the challenge
was to bring electricity to these data centers, to these
big warehouses. That's changing now where they're using a term
called compute to power, and what that means is they
will go to the source of the electricity. They would

(01:17:05):
go to Labrador, they would build there close to it,
thereby eliminating the challenge of transmission, transmission lines, construction, and
from that you have an industry that gets developed and
grows exponentially by you and any and all listeners to
just do a little bit of research and see how

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significant this industry has become, what its growth is. So
projecting it to be a four hundred billion dollar industry
by twenty thirty. Reasonable sized centers use one hundred and
fifty megawalks of power. The partners out there are numerous today.
There's the first tier, which I identified in the press

(01:17:49):
release that we sent out. There's the second tier of
people who will go in and develop and sell to
these first tier guys. So, Patty, it's like back in
the days of the fish. If we caught our fish,
send it to China day process that we bought it back,
we lost out on the benefits we are export only.
I'm sensing that this is the same here. We are
somewhat taking a whole bunch of potential opportunities that could

(01:18:13):
may possibly be there and not digging deep enough to explore.
Is to benefit to us?

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Yeah, I guess it would be. You know who gets richer,
does the province or the region or simply the business.
Really standard benefit of the most obviously the business because
they put the capital investment in, but it's return to
government based on access to power, access to water. I'd
like to see a little bit more on it. I'm
not going to poo poo anything until I see all
of the math. But you know, you mentioned computer power,

(01:18:43):
not that I know a lot about it, but I
know a little bit about it. Like if you're doing
mathematical calculations, you can use a scientific calendar. But if
you're talking about solving exponential equations and using FLOPS, which
I know as a floating point operations per second, that's
a computer power measurement. And it's extremely complicated. I mean,
we're talking about repeated multiplication, positive integers flops. I tried

(01:19:05):
to figure out flops over the course of the weekend.
I finally threw my hands in there. I said, what
the hell am I doing? I can't figure this out
at all? But I do know enough about it as
to what that means in so far as attractive nature
to business, Patty.

Speaker 12 (01:19:18):
But the thing is, and what I'm suggesting here, I'm
not trying to jump on one side or the other
side of the MoU conversation that's in the public form today.
All I'm suggesting is, guys, can we take a deep breath.
Can we new Filanders look at this and say, what
are we giving up? One and if we commit long

(01:19:40):
term and don't have the right to recall power or
own power, are we doing injustice not only to ourselves
but to the future generations, which I call the MJ factor.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
The three year old today will be.

Speaker 12 (01:19:53):
Nineteen when the existing contract expires. So we all love
things sooner than later. We would like to see a
deal faster, to get the money into our economy faster
so that we could live better today. But we've got
to balance that with what's happening out with the future.
And so my imitation to the premiere, and I felt

(01:20:14):
an incumbent ave on me is a citizen to put
this out and say, listen, we have a golden opportunity
right now. You are a new leader, new government, new opportunity.
Why would you not take the time and do a
deep dive not only on the existing terms and metrics
in this deal, but from another total perspective, what are

(01:20:35):
we missing? Like we read last week that the mining
industry is most likely going to go from three hundred
and fifty megs if required power now to another three
hundred and fifty five years now. Is this deal that
was about to be signed provide for that growth or
does it not. So let's not throw the baby out
with the bathwater. Let us understand that we are going

(01:20:58):
to sign a fifty year deal. You, Patty, are at
the altar, and you're going to marry this lady for
fifty years. I would like to be the minister and
ask the following question, is there anybody in the audience
see any reason why Patty should not marry this beautiful bride?

Speaker 6 (01:21:13):
Speak up now or forever hold your peace.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
I'm not looking over my shoulders for that question, but
you get my drift.

Speaker 12 (01:21:21):
So this is all about possibilities, not politics. This is
about we got a golden opportunity to look at this,
even within the existing time frame within which we're supposed
to respond on this one. And Patty, let's understand something else.
Quebec currently is a major player in this particular space,

(01:21:41):
so and I would be if I were them. And
this is not pulling Quebec. This is saying that Quebec
today is using their power. They're using our power to create, maintain,
and expand AI data centers as we speak. So there's
a business case here. It is growing exponentially. Talk to

(01:22:04):
people in the industry, and the premiere I think is
open minded enough, he's going to go at this. And
I just think that to look at this with a
fresh look does not hurt anything anybody or any time.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Well, industrial strategy has to include everything right from the
fishery to mining to potentially AI. I also wonder, you know,
look for starters, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, those guys, they're
nobody's friends except their own. They'll throw that out there.
It's also proximity to where the compute two power is located. Like,
there's a reason why centralized locations like Quebec and Ontario

(01:22:38):
and in Silicon Valley and in New Jersey or New York,
there's a reason why they're trying to set up shop
there because the customer base is right there, is right there.
I mean, they can reach out and touch millions of people.
I wonder how that translates to their business model if
it was in remote locations like Labrador. I don't know
the answer that question, but I'll throw it on top
of the pile that we've created here this morning. I
try to anything else you have to say this morning.

Speaker 12 (01:23:00):
Yeah, yeah, let me just come back on that for
one cook second. And that is and you and I
are not teching people on this solo. It is beyond
you and I to make these decisions, as it is
beyond you and I to analyze the turn to MoU. However,
the industry is now moving to remote centers because they
want to be close to Power's the factor of latency,
which is how much data would you lose on a

(01:23:23):
fiber op cable if you take it from Labrador and
you bring it to here in Cove Nova, Scotian from dirt?
Do I want to bring it down to the United States?
And do I want to cross over to Europe? We
have the flexibility. Again not my field of expertise, but
we need to analyze it and look at it. So
the answer is yes, it can operate very effectively, very remotely,

(01:23:44):
and the cost savings on the transmission aspects, etc. Are fabulous.
Last time, and Patty, I'm inviting every single body in
our province to take the time, take a deep breath.
Let's try to depoliticize this thing. Let's look at the
possibilities that the probabilities. And I would like to invite
you to do one thing for me if it's possible,
and I don't know if you can, I can't and

(01:24:05):
that is, are you able to take the communication that
you've got on my press release the letters I sent
to the premiere, wrap them on your website so that
anybody and everybody can grab read and get a little
tiny bit of a sense, in a bit more detail
of what we chatted about here in the past five
to ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Yeah. I certainly don't have any authority to drop anything
on our website, but I will encourage the newsroom to
do exactly that. That's their department. But I can't see
that being an issue, Charlie, So I'll speak with them
right after the program this morning.

Speaker 12 (01:24:34):
Thanks, Patty, really appreciate it, and let's see where this goes.
Let's keep it positive and think about value added benefits
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Appreciate the time, Charlie. Thanks a lot, all the best
by too, bye bye. Yeah, and imagine I've spent the weekend
trying to figure out flops. I mean I can barely
operate the computer, let alone try to figure out floating
point operations per second. Man, what am I like? Let's
take a break, welcome back to the program. Let's go
out Land and braids sag More to the president at
the SFAW do's Dwan Street. Dwan you're on the air.

(01:25:04):
Good morning, Patty, Good morning too. Listen, fair warning, we're
probably going to get part way through the conversation. Put
you on hold for the news, come back and finish.
How's that?

Speaker 6 (01:25:12):
No worries?

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Okay? Where do you want to start? Three Pscott?

Speaker 13 (01:25:15):
Yeah, so, Patty, I mean usually when you get to
say I was right, there's a little bit of satisfaction
in that, but it's hard to take any satisfaction from
the vindication we got yesterday when DFO presented the results
of the latest assessment on three ps cod. You know,
I heard Charlie their earlier talk about seals and gray

(01:25:36):
seal predation in three ps on Cod is through the
roof and you'll see that in the numbers when they
talk about natural mortality, and natural mortality on that stock,
for her exceeds fishing mortality.

Speaker 6 (01:25:50):
So what DFO doesn't.

Speaker 14 (01:25:52):
Really do is break that out and deal with it,
as we feel they showed. So that's been a consistent
messaging message from us as well. But Patty, we have
been sounding meal arm on the management of this stock for.

Speaker 6 (01:26:05):
At least a decade.

Speaker 14 (01:26:06):
You know, I've been with the union for eleven years now,
and back in twenty fifteen there was a reassessment for
the offshores Marine Stewardship certification on that stock, and we
are on record of saying that DFO and the offshoores
outlook on this stock was far too optimistic.

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
And yesterday, you know, we asked.

Speaker 14 (01:26:28):
A couple of questions and DFO put a lot of
it down to warming waters and migration of fish and
tried to brush a very very key element under the
rug by saying, well, in the last assessments, ten percent
of the stock was inshore, but now it's forty percent,
so on the surface. That tells your listeners that that

(01:26:51):
fish has moved, right. Plus then they put us some
heat maps.

Speaker 13 (01:26:55):
And we were like, hold now, back the boss up
a little bit and let us look at this. And
it didn't take us very long to look at those
heat maps and say where did all the red in
the offshore go? And myself, our scientists are, and carothers
and some other focks on the call looked and said no, no,
like this fish hasn't migrated.

Speaker 6 (01:27:17):
This fish is missing.

Speaker 13 (01:27:19):
And our argument, Patty, I hate to say that we're
still arguing the same that northern cod harvesters were arguing
in the eighties leading into the nineties, and what was
the absolute catastrophic collapse of northern cots, and that was
the offshore is saying there's plenty of fish out there,
we're not seeing it.

Speaker 14 (01:27:38):
We can't catch our quotas. The fish we're seeing as healthy,
but we're not seeing the numbers. And we've been standing
an alarm for a long time to say, pretty simple science.
When CODs spawn, they aggregate, they contract. When a stock
is in decline, they aggregate and they contract. And what
draggers do I mean draggers are fish hunters, right, that's

(01:28:00):
what they do. They find these aggregations, they swoop them
up and they move on to the next one. And
it was very very clear on those match yesterday that
those fish are gone. So it is our opinion that
this is not all due upon a change. This is
not due through predation. This is due to mismanagement. It's

(01:28:21):
due to overfishing, and it's due to the same mistakes
that Dfall made in the eighties and nineties on northern
god And now we're here again, and here we are Dwana.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
I'm going to put you on hold because there's more
of this conversation that I like to have. So let's
do that. Okay, sure, I think, okay, this one street
on hold, how are we doing out there? Otherwise, David,
let's get a break for the news. Don't away.

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Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Welcome back to the show. Let's rejoin Dwon Street on
eight dwand you're on the air. Thanks Eddie, no problem.
So we talked about the Marine Institute research in the
harp seals, and you talked about the predation rates twenty
four times more than the commercial fishery. I just wanted
to put that number out there for additional context. Okay,
so the fish are gone, that's okay. And even a

(01:29:18):
quote directly from the DFO scientist. We can't fix the pass,
but we can take responsibility for how we manage the future.
All right, So what are we supposed to do with
this information? The Marine Institute research paints a very clear picture.
But what next thefo's admittance or Maya Kalpa is one thing,
but what next?

Speaker 13 (01:29:36):
Yeah, so that study that was recently released, course that's
on harp seals. The issue in dreeps, gray seals and
you know, different species totally the same problem. And again
that's listed on your natural mortality and we can tell
them DFO to deal with that.

Speaker 6 (01:29:50):
Herla hunt on.

Speaker 14 (01:29:51):
Of course, in twenty twenty two, DFO put a rebuilding
plan in place. Any fact that's in the critical zone,
it's in the Fisheries Act now has had a rebuilding
plan and the problem we have, Patty, and you're right, predation.

Speaker 6 (01:30:04):
Needs to be dealt with.

Speaker 14 (01:30:05):
But the easy thing for DFO always is to say, oh,
it's cutting fishing and we're going to be fine.

Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
It's been really.

Speaker 14 (01:30:12):
Well known that fishing mortality on this stock hasn't been
the issue, and we've been banging the tables on this
one to say, okay, well, if you're telling us that
cutting back up fishing activity is going to make a difference,
it's not the passive gears.

Speaker 13 (01:30:28):
Like when that stock hit ten thousand tons, there was
a gentleman's agreement with DFO, and of course it was
in black and white at some point, but commediately.

Speaker 14 (01:30:36):
Nobody can find it anymore. That once that stock went
full slow, the tack went below ten thousand metric tones,
the offshore was out, and of course that hasn't happened.
And when you look at the low tack levels on
that stock, it's absolutely alarming to know that dragging, which
is not a passive gear that's haunting that fish, is
still permitted.

Speaker 13 (01:30:56):
So if that's the case, you're clearly not concerned fishing mortality.
And we've been arguing that that rebuilding plan is not
going to work back in twenty fifteen. If you look
back at that reassessment for MSc on that stock, our
arguments were that DFO when it came to science and management,
we're relying way too much on what they call it
the RV survey. So it's a research vessel survey and

(01:31:18):
it's in the offshore areas much like they did it
back with the demads of Northern cause they were ignoring
the Sentinel index that was saying this stock is declining.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
They were ignoring the.

Speaker 14 (01:31:29):
Logbooks of insure harvesters that were saying, yeah, yeah, our
catches are declining. But the offshore were saying, look at
all this fish again, it aggregates, it contracts. So DFL
were repeating the same mistakes, and we've been banging the
tables for at least ten years to say you're headed
down the same road. And I think yesterday when all

(01:31:49):
those numbers and those heat maps came up, you kind
of saw in the faces of DFO science to say, oh, yeah,
maybe you were right. We knew we were going to
be right. Injore harvesters have been SAMUELI on this for
far too long and not being heard. So I think
what we need to do here first it is reopen
that rebuilding plan because it's not worth the paper it's

(01:32:09):
written on.

Speaker 13 (01:32:10):
And let's start over, and let's start taking INSURE harvesters
seriously learn.

Speaker 6 (01:32:15):
From the past, because if all we're going to do is.

Speaker 13 (01:32:18):
Continue to ignore what insure harvesters are seeing and saying
there are stewards of the resource, they don't want to
see this Dottie line. But harvesters in three ps they're
multile to BCS enterprises, very very low text. Lets you
know what they rely on, this issuy and when all
we see is just complete decimation. No matter what we do,
what we say and dso just constantly, constantly pandering to

(01:32:41):
the offshore. You know, it really makes us question which
master they're really serving.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
Yeah, it's a pretty fair question. Anything else on that front,
because I have another question I'd like to pose.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
No, No, I.

Speaker 13 (01:32:54):
Mean, obviously it's my opinion that every insurre harvester in
threeps right now has the right to repeat a very
very famous John Crowsby quote because they didn't and we
know who did. And the fact that we're even having
this conversation thirty years after the more Toarment Northern God
and still still harping the same message, I mean, it's

(01:33:16):
absolutely disgraceful as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Yeah, he, nor me, nor you took the fish out
of the you know what water, all right, processing. Look,
we've talked about the need to expand processing capacity in
this problems for quite a long time. You know, we
can talk about foreign concentration on Royal Greenland and all
the rest of it. But when the plant in Saint
Mary's burns down, that is making the upcoming snow crab
overlap season with cod going to be an enormous set

(01:33:40):
it Given the fact that was already a paint last year.
So what do you have to say.

Speaker 14 (01:33:45):
Yeah, I mean that was absolutely tragic, Patty. I mean
when the news started coming in on that, like, I
feel for that community for all same area's day.

Speaker 6 (01:33:53):
What we were seeing with that competition.

Speaker 13 (01:33:55):
You know, it was driving prices, harvesters were happy, and
it was finally a move in the right direction. Obviously,
we never want to see a loss like that. We
need more processing capacity in both CRAT and cause Cod
being the big one because of course ice Water best
the majority processor and that plant operates almost three hundred
and sixty five days a year, and we're in constant

(01:34:17):
discussions with Alberto when it comes.

Speaker 6 (01:34:19):
To supply fish.

Speaker 14 (01:34:20):
But it's always always going to be an issue until
more processing licenses are issued, more plants open up, and
we do see interest from smaller buyers that want to
get into ground fish. Until that happens, we're going to
have a pretty big headache.

Speaker 8 (01:34:35):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:34:35):
We had a significant increase in attack in northern Cod
this year, and I will say DFO has been very
receptive to adjusting management measures to get that fish out
of the water. We're a little over eighty percent COT now,
which is great given we're in November and harvesters are
able to make a decent dollar. But you know, if
you don't have a sales for that fish, you can
have as most fish catches you want.

Speaker 14 (01:34:57):
Plus it's just not going to come out of the water.
So we have to start working with processors on you know,
maybe it's different product forums, maybe there's different processing methods,
and make sure that we're looking at the market potential.
So those are some conversations that we're having and really
really looking forward to sitting out at Minister Addrisco as
well and having those conversations on how we can grow

(01:35:18):
this industry, grow the Grand fishing industry and new Filanda
Labrador because of course crab goes in cycles, right, it's
up and down, and cod is going to be much
more important as we go down the road. So it's
definitely a big conversation and like you said, it's going
to be a headache, but it's a necessary one.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Any comment on the lack of attention to the Atlantic
Fishery's Fund in the federal budget, you know, fueling it
into the future.

Speaker 13 (01:35:41):
Yeah, a little bit disappointed there, I know, when we
had our little crash of Mark Kearny's campaign launch here
after that. That was one of the big commitments he made,
you know, other than listening to harvesters on the war
and making decisions that way, which obviously hasn't had a
three ps cod, but the continuation of AFA because that

(01:36:01):
was a very crucial fund in whether it comes to
ground fish processing and capacity, lobster holding and you know,
helping that industry. So it was helpful money and it
helped a lot of our members expand their operations, hope
and line systems to help the quality of cod, some
lobster technologies. You know, it was really really helpful money.

(01:36:23):
So we're hoping that that decision is going to be
revisited and that the Minister and the Prime Minister opened
that pund up again because this industry needs investment from
government and you know, any cuts and slashes there or
certably not welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Appreciate the time, Dan, thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:36:43):
Thanks Patty, and before you go. The North Atlantic Fisher
Marine workboath Show is down at Mary Brown's today and tomorrow,
so if any of your listeners are around, we have
a booth and we'd love to see them pop by
have a chat myself. Secretary Treasurer Jamie Baker and a
lot of our incredible staff will be there and we'll
love to lead to newfolxpre.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Sare your time, have a nice weekends you too, Take care.
Bye bye On Street the president at the FFAW. Let's
get a break in Alistairs and burgo it's talk with
the Gray Seals. Lonk Away, Welcome back to the show.
Let's go to line number one, Alistair. You're on the air.

Speaker 9 (01:37:17):
Good morning, Patty, Good morning to you. Yes, Patty, I'd
like to just have a few words to say this
morning regarding the gray seal and the three ps three
P in cod stock. Sure, and first I'll say that
I agree with one with what miss Street had to say.

(01:37:38):
What she said, avery word, it is true and it
was a factual as our as I know.

Speaker 8 (01:37:44):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:37:44):
I've never been a fisherman, Patty, but I have been
interested and fooled around with fishing boats for the last
seventy years or more. And when it comes to the
three PN three ps stock, Patty's has been raped with
trawlers ever since the nineteen forties. The late nineteen forties,

(01:38:09):
that's the time when I would say there was never
a trawler fishing the Northern God and that was raped
by foreign trawlers and domestic trawlers. When I was a
by gone to school, I could look out Heir to
South Virgil and it would be like a city. I'm

(01:38:29):
not kidney of Patty. This is God's truth. The lights
of all the trawlers that will be trawling up and
down and they could come into three miles in Patty
as well. So you know that stock is feet from
pillar to post. Be it beyond the word of a doubt.
At that time there was the big inshore fishery. And

(01:38:53):
I'm not talking about fishing, you know, Patty two or
three months a year. I'm talking about fishing twelve months
year year. So I just wanted to give a little
bit of background on water beating that stock has taken.
I was a guy who also did a lot of
recreational fishery, and first in all those rules and you

(01:39:16):
can't do this, and you can't do that, you can't
do something else came in Paddy. We had ten fish
a day, so if you had five people aboard your boat,
you could come in with fifty fish. If you had
to go out of Burgol now with just a jigger
and catch fifty fish, that's five people ten fish each.

(01:39:40):
You could go out on New Year's Day and you
wouldn't come back until the end of the year. Now
that's how far it's gone down. You'd have fish that
you could hardly get over the rail. And now you've
got fish a couple of pounds, Paddy, that's about the
size of a good sized trout. Is bigger, bigger than
the god So that stock is definitely in trouble. That

(01:40:04):
I guarantee you.

Speaker 8 (01:40:06):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:40:07):
The next thing is the Gray Seal. As far as
I know, Patty, there's no hunt on the Gray seal,
and there never have been, but they've been continuously increasing,
increasing increasing. Another thing, I'm not sure, but I think
I think they breed on the Sable Island. So now, Patty,

(01:40:29):
what bitter opportunity could you have than to go on
Sable Island when these seals are breeding and call them
just like they did with the ostriches. That's my opinion,
you know, Patty. Now, I know this don't go good
with a lot of bleeding arts, but that's the way

(01:40:50):
that I feel. And I'm not kidding you this morning.
What I'm telling you is through I went to Robinson's
shortly after my wife died and went in a home
there and Patty, I used to drive down to Saint
David's and around the area just I don't know, trying

(01:41:10):
to stay alive, I guess. But anyway, Patty, just below
the bridge Vivis Crabs River, you'd have twenty five to
fifty seals gray seals now, Patty Bobbom just below the bridge, Now,
that would be on your right hand side, going towards
Saint David's. On the left hand side of the bridge,

(01:41:34):
you had the salmon migrating up a river. And I
don't know, but I assume probably up there there might
have been three or four fishery guardians or officers or something. Now, Patty,
if those officers apprehended I'll say a half dozen a

(01:41:57):
leego salmon during their year, that could be the extent
of it. But that twenty five or thirty pochers that
I'm talking about that could have easily been shot right
from the bridge, I guarantee you they got more than
a dozen or half a dozen cent no doubts, you know, Patty.

(01:42:22):
You don't have to have a doctor's degree in biology
or anything like that to know that somebody has got
to sit down and forget this them talk about beating
art stuff. I mean, I took part in the nineteen
eighty seal Aunt and Patty to see that aunt was

(01:42:44):
destroyed just by the barred doors and so on and
so forth, and there was a group of people called
New Flanders that really supplemented their income from that aunt.
So Petty and while well you know that, no it

(01:43:05):
doesn't mean anything to me. But I think common sense
has got to play apart air somewhere. And I mean,
if you're looking at the three pm three ps stock
and so on, the fish, the fishing that's been removed

(01:43:26):
from those areas. You've got the fish plant in Virgil,
Ramia gaul to Us which haven't produced a ground fish,
not since the moratorium. You've got troller fleets from each
one of those places. There's not one traller lift. And
I would say, I'll just speak for a town of

(01:43:48):
Virgil where there was probably one hundred or so inshore fishermen. Patty,
you can count them all on one end. Now you
don't need both. So I think if someone sat down
and used common sense instead of AI and all the
other things that's being used today and I'm not saying

(01:44:11):
that that's not good. The answer to this vision thing
can be solved beyond a word of a doubt. We
don't have to be ahead each other's throats and one
thing and the other. The only thing, Patty, that have
saved this part of the South Coast is the lobster.
So you know, I mean it's time to sit down

(01:44:34):
and look at things realistically. And another thing, Patty, even
before our plants closed, the gray seal whatever has got
a worm in its species. And the codfish you get
here in three PM and the three PS is loaded

(01:44:55):
with worm. Yeah, so now you know, I mean, I
can't talk like a scientist or nothing like that, but
just a few common sense facts that I know. If
it was applied, I think it would do a lot
doors recuperating and replenishing the three PS. God stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
I'm pretty sure there's both personal and commercial licenses available
for gray seals and harps and hoods. It's they go
very few for the grays. As far as I can tell,
they actually expanded the personal license for gray seals and
harp seals into PI and New Brunswick because up until
last year was just Nova Scotia. And this problem, so
they can go at the gray but my understanding is

(01:45:40):
very few people do it. You know, I don't dispute
the point that something's got to be done with the
seal population. And what's hilarious, I don't know if that's
right word. If you look at DFO's statements about you know,
critical zone for three ps cod and the offshore component
just virtually wiped out, and they call the harp of
gray seal populations in a health own What nothing healthy

(01:46:02):
about that many animals and those populations that we see
off the shore. So will the politicians of the day
have the stomach to instigate a call for the sake
of remains to be seen? And certainly that has not
been the case over the last forty years, But we'll
see in the future. But Alisair always appreciate a bit
of common sense on this program as much as possible.

(01:46:23):
Anything else you'd like to say before I go to the.

Speaker 15 (01:46:25):
News break, Well, you know, Patty, I believe they also
said that the cod fresh on the south coast, their
abilities was empty.

Speaker 9 (01:46:37):
Again, Patty, I mean, and I'm doing it making that
same error. I'm saying they're cleaning up on the god
But do you think that those seals aren't also eating
the cape and the squid, the hearing and the macro,
and that's what the God wants, of course. So they're
starving this god to God to death. They're eating to God.

(01:47:00):
And I don't know, Paddy, don't seem like anybody. Oh no, no, no, no,
you can't touch the CEO. You can't touch the CEO.
Welly can't you touch that CEO? I know it sounds bad.
You know, it's a go out on stable oil in
the slaughter the works. It sounds bid. Yes, it sounds bad,
but something that's got to be done. I don't find

(01:47:22):
a very entertaining for someone to say that the God
is discimated in three PM and three PS. I just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
Yeah, I mean, wiping out the entire population probably not
wise for the balance of the ecosystem, but getting the
population under control to manageable levels sounds like this very
wise thing to do to me. And again, like you,
I'm not a scientist, but I do have two eyes
and I do have two ears. Alistair, great to have
you on the show. I appreciate making time.

Speaker 9 (01:47:52):
Okay, thank you, good morning, the.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
Same to you, sir, bye bye, all right. Just gonna
break for the news.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
Don't go away the Tim Power Show during the Conversation
weekday afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Welcome back to the program. Let's go to line number two.
Good morning, Lynn, you're on the air.

Speaker 6 (01:48:10):
Good morning Patty.

Speaker 16 (01:48:11):
Just calling to see if any if you're interesting audiences
have had any experience with trigeneral aralgia, and if so,
have they found any relief in any thing that they've
been given.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
I know somebody that suffers from it as a matter
of fact, So it's also called like tic dollar row
or something. And this person that I know the shock
of pain in the face. He gets it in the
neck and the cheek and the jaw I think I'm
pretty sure, and it can last for minutes on end.
So I don't know what he does for, but I
can ask if.

Speaker 7 (01:48:45):
He would, that would be louch appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
So tell us about your own experience with it, Lynn, Well,
it's not me.

Speaker 16 (01:48:53):
It's my partner and he has a very bad face pain.
He explains it as electric shops. Starts off as like
a little like a dean to your face, and then
it increases and causes pain out to your forehead and
your jaw and your cheek and it's just unbearable pain.

Speaker 6 (01:49:11):
Actually, it's been.

Speaker 16 (01:49:13):
Also known as the suicide disease because people who have
it can't get any relief from it, so they oftentimes
go to the hospital they have checked and more than
more than months that they've got of with a people
coming there have had their heads injuries caused by themselves
because they've been trying to get rid of the pain.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
And just like that, my friend just texted me so
obviously listening to us here this morning, so he's taken
let me read this, he's taken an anti convulsant medication.
And I don't know what that is or what are
examples of that, but that's what he says. They're anti
convulsant medication, and there's a possibility in the future he

(01:49:55):
might have a surgery.

Speaker 16 (01:49:57):
Yes, yes, we've heard a little bit about this intreasons
of doctor in Paradise who's apparently suffered from himself and
the reason why he studied it and is working now
and practicing it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
So if anyone else times in, I'll share the information
on the show. But I suppose for pharmaceutical treatment is
something that's called an anti convulsant, which I don't know
much about, to be honest with it, and there's probably
multiple examples of that, But between that and his mention
of potential surgery into the future, that's as much as
I know about it.

Speaker 16 (01:50:29):
Yes, okay, then well that's very helpful, and if anybody
else says anything, you'd be greatly appreciated to hear.

Speaker 7 (01:50:36):
What it was.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Happy to pass it along. You're welcome, Lynn, good luck
great too. Yeah, and I know this guy pretty well,
and like if the last time I saw him experience someone,
we were simply sitting down playing a game of one
twenties and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, grabbed
his face and you could see the pain in his eyes.
So apparently it could be pretty severe. Let's go to

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the line number three. Sarah, you're on the air.

Speaker 17 (01:51:03):
Hi, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
I'm fine? How about you? Good?

Speaker 17 (01:51:08):
I'm just calling.

Speaker 18 (01:51:09):
We actually spoke before about speed dating, and I was
just spreading the word about it. The last time I
spoke to you, I did get a few more people
buy tickets, so I wanted to spread the word.

Speaker 17 (01:51:18):
About that again. We have a speed dating event coming
up Monday night.

Speaker 18 (01:51:22):
At the Tap House in Torbay, and the ad ning
for this one is fifty five to sixty five, so
you can be within that.

Speaker 17 (01:51:29):
Age group or a couple of years outside of it, and.

Speaker 18 (01:51:31):
You can buy tickets on event bright dot Ca.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Tell us a bit about how the last one went,
like how many people showed up and if there's any
so called success stories or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 18 (01:51:42):
Yeah, so I actually had one last night that was
for forty five to fifty five.

Speaker 17 (01:51:47):
That was ten men, ten women.

Speaker 18 (01:51:49):
So finally, for the older age groups, we are starting
to get equal numbers. It's kind of the fifty five
plus now that I'm having trouble with, but everything below
that I have equal numbers. Most of the events that
are below forty I usually have thirty people participate, So
to have twenty people last night was great. There was
twelve matches or sorry, twelve people who had a match

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out of twenty people.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
That sounds like a pretty good ratio.

Speaker 6 (01:52:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:52:14):
Most events are about fifty percent, so half the people
going we'll get at least one match.

Speaker 17 (01:52:19):
Some people get multiple.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
How long have you been doing this, Sarah?

Speaker 17 (01:52:23):
Since February?

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Any blossoming love stories come from the event yet, I
have had.

Speaker 18 (01:52:30):
A few some mutual friends who have gone have met
other friends.

Speaker 17 (01:52:36):
And gone on dates and stuff.

Speaker 18 (01:52:38):
So I do know that there have been matches that
have led to relationships. I'm not sure how long they
have lasted for. I always tell people to give me
an update because I'd love to know. But I also
had another event where two people didn't match, but they
messaged me about the other and so I was able
to put them in contact after So even things like
that are really sweet to see.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Absolutely, and I think we we had this little conversation
last time as well. Is it might not feel like
it's for everybody. Not everybody wants to date in that
type of speed dating scene. What's remarkable to me is that,
And I'm glad I'm not in the dating community any longer.
Is you know, it's swipe been left to right as
opposed to the old fashioned meet someone face to face

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and see whether or not you like them, which I
know eventually can happen in this wipe world. But what's
your messages of folks wh might be hesitant to go
to this type of event.

Speaker 18 (01:53:28):
Yeah, I think some people have the notion that it's
like desperate people or something like that.

Speaker 17 (01:53:34):
But for the most part. It's actually very social people.

Speaker 18 (01:53:36):
They just might not have large friend circles, or they
might not have mutual friends to put them in touch,
or they might hate the.

Speaker 17 (01:53:42):
Apps, which a lot of us do.

Speaker 18 (01:53:44):
So it's just a comfortable environment. There's mood lighting. It's
very comfortable. We have question cards you can use to
start a conversation, so all you really have to do
is buy a ticket and show up and then.

Speaker 17 (01:53:55):
I guide you through the rest of it.

Speaker 18 (01:53:56):
So it's really no pressure and you don't have to
say yet to the people they're at the event. You
fill out a form which no one knows who you
say yes or no to, and if two people say
yes to each other, then I put you in contact
the next day.

Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
Terrific. How long do people have to meet each other?
Are we talked like five minutes and a bell goes
off or what is it?

Speaker 18 (01:54:16):
Yeah, it's only five minutes per person, and then you
have about a minute to switch tables.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
And again I don't know if this is a fair question,
but how can people get past the judge book by
its cover kind of approach? Because five minutes is a
pretty compressed time frame to know whether or not you
actually have a match. Or are interested in moving forward
sometimes but just boil down to how someone looks.

Speaker 18 (01:54:40):
Yeah, I think on the apps like you can't really
get a vibe for someone's personality. You can kind of
only go from a picture and then when you meet
them in person, they might not be super friendly or
they might not you know, be what they say they
are online, So you can kind of get a better
vibe for someone's personality, even if it is five minutes.
You can kind of see if they're you know, super
talco or.

Speaker 17 (01:55:01):
Awkward or even impolite or whatnot.

Speaker 18 (01:55:03):
So it is a bit a bit more than you
can get from online.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
Awkward could be cute. And of course, in person you
know exactly what the person looks like versus online when
that photo is likely not them at all or them
at their very best moment through a variety of filters.

Speaker 17 (01:55:20):
Yeah, and that and that happens with all age groups.

Speaker 18 (01:55:22):
That's some of the feedback I get, Like all age
groups are are kind of unsure about those things and
kind of have the same negative experiences where you might
just have a small talk with someone and never actually
meet them, or they may just go to you or whatnot.
So at least in person. It's just a quick five
minute thing. You don't have to spend any more time
with them, but you do get more of a five
for who someone is.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
I appreciate your time this morning, Sarah. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 17 (01:55:47):
I'll just say it again. Yes, if you, oh yeah,
if you.

Speaker 18 (01:55:50):
If you search on event break dot com, if you
search speed dating and l or even speed dating Saint John's,
you should find all upcoming events. And if you search
speed dating and l on Facebook and Instagram, you'll also
find it. So the event coming up Monday is at
the Post Half House.

Speaker 6 (01:56:04):
You do have to buy.

Speaker 18 (01:56:04):
Tickets online or you can just message one of the
social media pages we can do like e transfers or
whatnot if you aren't able to buy online. And yeah,
it's at seven o'clock on Monday night for age of
fifty five to sixty five.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
Sounds great.

Speaker 6 (01:56:16):
Good luck with it, Ally, thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
Welcome, bye bye, a bit of speed dating. How are
you doing with today? We've got a couple of gut
us home. Let's see here. Last segment of the show.
It's for you if you're in and around town. It's
seven zero nine two seven three five two one one
elsewhere toll free long distance one eight eight eight five
ninety VOCM, which is eighty six twenty six. We're taking
a break and then we're coming back. Welcome back to

(01:56:41):
the show. Let's go live number one, Verna. You're on
the air.

Speaker 14 (01:56:45):
Hi, Patty, It's me again from Belle onlin YEP an
next member of the Belana Ferry User Committee that I
was on for five plus years dealing with the transportation
infrastructure management. Were as we're stand right now, we have
two boats here. I won't say they're operating. We have

(01:57:08):
two boats. The Beaumont is if you check out five
to one one. They have an ongoing coast saying they
have dowtruster issues and under the Canada Transport regulations they
could shut down at any time. Well, yesterday they shut
down at one point thirty. There was nothing really going

(01:57:30):
on at that time, whether wise win wise, but they
did and they said when they felt that it was
appropriate time they would at that time maybe start up
the boat, which they never did. This has been going
on five plus weeks. We've also got the the wharf

(01:57:52):
over here being worked on. They got the bumpers like
where they have the tires on it, so that the
boats and hit the concrete when they're coming in. That's
going on here. We're having the tearing, the paving of
the road's going on, and we do have weather conditions.

Speaker 6 (01:58:13):
I reached out to the.

Speaker 14 (01:58:15):
Department for answers in regards to what's going on with
the Flanders.

Speaker 6 (01:58:20):
Rumors have it.

Speaker 14 (01:58:21):
It has no bottom end in it. It's still in
dry dock, or I should say it's not on the
dry dock. It's actually still in the water. That is
over two months now. So we got one boutruster issues.
We've got two that's still.

Speaker 6 (01:58:40):
In dry dock.

Speaker 14 (01:58:41):
Far as I know, nothing done with it. Three I
understand that the new dock that's I think that's what
it's called, that's in the harbor there there's the shipping
where they go and they do refits and that I
understand that that will be shutting down for two to
four years for infrastructure structuring. I don't know if it's

(01:59:01):
somebody else is taking it over, but where.

Speaker 6 (01:59:05):
Are our boats going to go?

Speaker 14 (01:59:06):
For January? The Legionaire is supposed to go for the
truster issues. Mister Patton, who is the PC, he was
appointed for the ad Minister Transportation. He feels that the
management that's in there is sufficient. We've been fighting for

(01:59:31):
answers for them for ten plus years and we never
got We don't have no communication, we don't have no
pr from them, and we have no HR and neither
do to the workers. We are on a.

Speaker 6 (01:59:43):
String, that's what we're holding on by a string.

Speaker 14 (01:59:46):
And they're going to wait and assess this theirselves when
they don't want to listen to the people. They've had
to have seen the media. And the first thing that
Tony said with his the question was to be transparent, accountable, open,
honest and listen to the people.

Speaker 6 (02:00:07):
Well, it's not happen to Patty, no house.

Speaker 2 (02:00:12):
So nothing's changed, no nothing.

Speaker 14 (02:00:15):
I've sent the email off asked all these questions like
I mean, they started with paving on the island and
they had another thing, is the Beaumont if it does
start up, it doesn't start up till eleven o'clock every day,
And lately they've been starting the boat up from Portugal
Cove at six thirty seven o'clock in the morning. People

(02:00:35):
are depending on that Patty to get to work. It's
too late when they get over to the island at
seven thirty when the people start work at eight o'clock.

Speaker 2 (02:00:45):
Does it ever make you want to move?

Speaker 14 (02:00:48):
Patty? If I could afford to, I would have to.
But I can't afford to.

Speaker 6 (02:00:52):
So what do I do?

Speaker 14 (02:00:54):
And what do Most of the people that live on
the island do the same thing. And it's not only
for work, it's for your men. I had to go attention.
I went the other day the other morning, seven o'clock
in the morning.

Speaker 6 (02:01:03):
I had a procedure.

Speaker 14 (02:01:04):
I said, okay, I'll rush back. I got in the
Coved Legionnaire's deal had to go up to ran Khan
because it couldn't stay in Portugal.

Speaker 6 (02:01:13):
Cove because of the docking issues.

Speaker 14 (02:01:15):
They had to have it out of the way of
the Bookmont. So it's ongoing and there's no answers, there's
no update, there's no communication, there's nothing to the people
and to shut up and put up from radius. And
now we've got a new party, which I thought, okay,
they're going to fight. I know we are liberals, we're

(02:01:38):
on the opposition, but the ferry service is for a
provincial service. And I'd like to say, in regards to
what is going on, it shouldn't be going on. And
they say oh, well, we have to keep the maintenance
on Saturdays and Sundays to keep these row boats operational.
They're not offering so I guess this management they have

(02:02:00):
in regards to the maintenance and that it's not working.
There's people that are real, that are qualified, that can
run that department correctly. And my opinion is change the
management to better our ferry service because the management they
have there, the bureaucrats, the upper management, are not doing

(02:02:20):
their job, but they're still getting paid and getting away
with it and answering to nobody. I don't know if
you reached up to see if you could get answered
the last time I to ak to you or not.

Speaker 6 (02:02:29):
But what do we do next?

Speaker 2 (02:02:33):
It's a good question, and I have reached out like
I do all the time on a variety of issues
that people call about Vernon. I'm going to sneak on
one more call, but I appreciate your time and concern.

Speaker 6 (02:02:42):
Thank you, Patty, have a great weekend, you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
Too, Bye bye. Final word goes the line number two auto.
You're on the air. That's kind. How about you?

Speaker 19 (02:02:52):
Thanks for taking me called buddy, no problem, long time
old many moons ago.

Speaker 2 (02:02:58):
Donk you welcome back? To the show. What do you
want to talk on this morning? Otto?

Speaker 19 (02:03:02):
The Food Free See in July, Missus Thompson knows that
you're going to make announcement into Timber on the Food Freehee,
you see what the people wanted. Haven't heard from me yet.

Speaker 14 (02:03:17):
No.

Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
My understanding is that they're going to hold whatever they're
calling consultations in the spring.

Speaker 3 (02:03:22):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:03:22):
I don't know what that means and what it's going
to look like, but that's what I've been told.

Speaker 19 (02:03:25):
Anyway, unreal. She says you're going to make an announcement into
Timber right this is November, any boy?

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
Yeah, I haven't heard anything since she was talking about it.
I didn't hear anything for the Prime Minister. He was
talking about DFO and maybe restructuring, and Minister Thompson made
brief comments about the food Fishery, but I don't know
much more about it at this point.

Speaker 19 (02:03:49):
Otto, Yeah, about the m ou About the Church of
faul right now, I worked at the old Church of Paul, right,
I don't like that deal fifty years eh now. Quebec
just taking the risks right. They built the go along

(02:04:11):
right and they gotta get something of it because noble
Land can't debuild themselves. Then when you tried to do
it with go most red pause, he paused, in the
old fifteen billions, now the first Church of Falls would
finish down to schedule, over schedule, he finished.

Speaker 2 (02:04:34):
Hither time, it's been a pretty good source of profit
for back, that's for sure. I think it's somewhere like
they're in and around twenty nine billion dollars since and
we're around two billion dollars since. So been pretty lopsided
state of affairs, that's for sure.

Speaker 19 (02:04:52):
Yeah. But they blamed on Joey's mouth. Wouldn't Joey's mouth,
because if you ever read the book on Brinkle, it
would Tilda Black George Smile with black mails. They didn't
want the power to go through New England right to Quebec.
You were black mail. He was twenty years of getting Church.

Speaker 9 (02:05:13):
And Falls both.

Speaker 2 (02:05:16):
Yeah, it's a long timely story, that's for sure, because
of the.

Speaker 7 (02:05:19):
Time on the clock.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
Because of the time on the clock we had we
have to live there.

Speaker 19 (02:05:23):
But runs down Jeey's mother.

Speaker 11 (02:05:25):
But I got it, I got a book pay out.

Speaker 19 (02:05:28):
Joey row Day man. He started coming. Then he started
the ship yard Maryor'stone Church of falls yeah, alright, I.

Speaker 2 (02:05:38):
Gotta hop Hi, budd, you have a nice weekend. Sounds good?
All right, buddy, all the best, A very good show today,
big thanks to all hands, Donald, Carol. Tomorrow we're at
to have them off from one to six and we
will indeed pick up this conversation again on Monday morning,
right here on VOCIM and Big Land of FAM's open Line.
After the producer David Williams, I'm your host, Patty Day.
You have yourself a safe, fun, happy weekend talk Monday.
Bye bye