Friday Nov 21st

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line call seven oh nine two
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(00:22):
Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Friday, November
to twenty. First. This is open Line. I'm your host,
Patty Daily. David Williams producing the command with an edition.
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twenty six. So wasn't great to watch my Montreal Canadians
get pummeled last night by the Capital's eight four. But
to watch forty year old Alexandrovchkin still out there flying
forty years of age, last on the the hat trick
and another assistants for a four point night. Amazing stuff.
Twenty one games. He's got twenty points this year, including
ten goals. And here's another interesting stat regarding Ovechkin. So

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just recently scored his four hundred and forty second goal
at the Capitol One Arena, passing Gordy House four hundred
and forty one at the Detroit Olympia, the most regular
season goals scored in a single venue in NHL history.
If you score four hundred and forty two goals in
your NHL career, you're probably going to the Hall of Fame.
Alvechkins scored four hundred and forty two at his home arena.
It's amazing stuff, really truly is. Anyway, this is more

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local sports related news, and this is absolutely brilliant. Jada
Lee baseball player, pitcher. You remember when she made history
by as a female competing with the boys baseball team
at the Canada Summer Games. I think her jersey's in
the Canada Baseball Hall of Fame. So last night was
the inaugural draft into the Professional Baseball Women's Professional Baseball
League and Jada Lee first rounder fourteenth overall to New York.

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Absolutely stellar stuff. So the Professional Women's Professional Baseball coming
next summer and Jada Lee will be part of it,
playing in New York Man, great stuffy, just kip going.
More bad news for skiers and snowboarders than those who
enjoy a trip to Marble Mountain. This coming ski snowboard season,

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they'll be down to just one chair lift. There are
three out there, down to one. The Black Marie and
a new Fie Bullet will not be operating this year.
The Newfie Bullet is really old and it's hard to
find parts and they're very expensive to keep it going.
The Black Mariah was offline for a number of years,
but I think it's been Last year was the first
season since twenty nineteen. So while the problems tries to

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offlow Marble Mountain and they're million dollarsh subsidies to the
operations at Marble Mountain for skiers and snowboarders. This is
a big knock on top of the fact that the
last couple of winters out there have been dismal in
so far as snow and then it gets flooded away
and then you know the deal. It is going to
be reflected in the prices though. Riers between the ages
of sixteen and twenty one years of age will pay

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one hundred and ninety nine dollars plus tax for an
early word pass those order than twenty one play three
hundred and ninety nine dollars plus tax. That's down from
five to seventy nine and seven forty nine respectively. Those
were the cost last season kids under what is it?
Kids under five can ski for twenty bucks. Over eighty
seniors over eighty ski for free, but just one lift
at Marble, which will keep people for making the track

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out there. You know, one of the best parts about
skiing in Atlantic Canada, and many parts right across the
country is the relatively short lineups for the ski lift
compared to if you go to, say, for instance, some
of the notable ski hills in Europe. It's absolute looney
bin anyway, les could going bad news for Marble. Sorry
to hear that, all right. Plenty of reaction coming on

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the twenty four to seven snow clearing. So one thing
that's been getting some traction in my email inbox is
cost now when they costed it out in the campaign
trail at one point nine million dollars, which strange enough,
were the exact same dollars, say, back when Dwight Bob
was the premier and they cut some of the twenty
four to seven snow clearing routes. Now it's going to
cost some three million dollars. As a taxpayer, I have

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no problem with an additional one point one million dollars
be spent on twenty four to seven snow clearer and
nice control. The issue for many is that it's just
fourteen routes. Now. Look, it feels like a good start,
a step in the right direction. But we've had calls
and emails about what about my area? And it's a
fair question, what about your area? Is this just phase one?

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I don't know because on to talk about it. Of course,
the big one here is trying to hire fifty more operators,
whether it be Jerry Earl at an APE or others.
And I heard from some people who are actually heavy
equipment operators saying unless the pay is absolutely out of
this world compared to what I make in the private sector,
especially when getting hired by the province, possibly jeopardizing their

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job with the private sector, which comes with some summer work,
that seasonal employment, it looks like that's going to be
a real trick. So Barry Patton, of course, the Transport
Minister says, as soon as they're staffed up after the
race as they go. But I guess that's the proof
in the pudding, and that's the trick is how quickly
they can actually staff up those additional positions that are
being put out there. So they go on to talk

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about fifty new full time and part time snowplow operators.
I'd like to see a breakdown, and I'm sure operators
would like to see a breakdown how many these are
full time jobs, how many these are part time jobs?
And okay, and the fourteen roots if you have any
concerns or questions on that front, and fair enough, if
you want to applaud this as a step in the
right direction, we can absolutely take that on as well.

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Here's some numbers just for context. Snow clearing is just
one part of a broader readiness plan with more than
four hundred and fifty seasonal heavy equipment operators, management staff
have been recalled and hired. Normal course of action, the
problems paid thirty eight million dollars in salt and sand.
It's been delivered to sixty seven depots. But here's some
interesting numbers. The inspection and calibration of the province is

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get so many snowplows and loaders are in the fleet
five and fifty one. The province also buying forty four
new plows to replace some aging equipment. But I'm hearing
some questions about twenty four to seven snow clearing and
the proposal of fourteen routes to be in that envelope.
We could absolutely take it down, Oh a total listener.
I would bring this one forward and happy to do it.

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Of course, public transportation in this neck of the woods
is well understood, ridership is up, and Goal Bus still
has some concerns coming from their riders. So apparently it's
cash only answer for folks who have disabilities, distinct types
of needs, some vulnerabilities, some may be related with the
mental illness of what have you. So it's the cash

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twenty two As said by the listener. The emailer is
you might need the bus to go to the bank,
to go to the ATM to get some cash to
pay for go bus. So are there other options that
can be incorporated here? Because not, I mean, cash is
not in everybody's pocket all the time, and this person's right,
you might need the Goal Bus to go to the bank.

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So strange setup, and I don't know if there is
one way or another that this could be rectified, but
apparently it's a cash only operation that does come with
some complications. The listener has me to put it out there.
It's out there, let's keep going. So apparently there's been
a R and C officer that's been charged with breacher
trust and what's this about. Apparently the officer allegedly has

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gone into the wildfire evacuation zone on the twenty first
of August to check on or to recover some personal property.
So the R and C when they found this out,
they approached the Serious Incident Response Team and that's of
course civilian LID police oversight agency dealing with the more
serious types of crimes accused of or alleged against errant

(07:43):
C officers. They refused the ICMP they weren't interested as well,
So the R and C is doing it themselves. The
officer is on paid leave, faces provincial court charges on
breach of trust and breach of an order made under
the Emergency Services Act just and now it hasn't been
proven in court. Will wait for that final determination. But
the uniform doesn't give you the right to do what

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others cannot do. Because those who were evacuated, who weren't
members of law enforcement were forced to be outside the zone,
worried about their own personal property, no access, new uniform,
no badge to do what this officer is accused of.
And that is not ideal, to say the least. But
we'll follow through and we'll see where that lands in
the courts. But good news, and I suppose welcome news.

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And some of the residents who have been in communication
with the provincial governments, those who were evacuated and lost
many of them lost everything in the Kingston fire. They've
extended the housing assistance program good thousand dollars per month
for households who could stay in private accommodations like if
you're spending time with family or friends, whatever the case
may be. And that's if your primary residence, of course

(08:48):
was uninhabitable fifteen hundred dollars per month if they had
rent somewhere to live. So this announcement yesterday from Justice
of Public Safety Minister Helen Conway Attenheimer, the program now
to be extended until at least the first of March
of twenty twenty six. There's forty five households availing about
the program. Six more conditionally approved extending the program costs

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around three hundred thousand dollars, and once again, as a taxpayer,
I have no issue with this. People need these types
of assists and supports. But I guess the next steps
will be what kind of moneies and not because I
think it's the right thing or the wrong thing. Is
when the province and or the FEDS have pledged for
nacial support in the effort to rebuild, especially those with

(09:28):
no insurance, of which there are many, and that's a
simper conversation I guess we can entertain here on the show.
Then there's the new committee. I don't know what the
overlap might be and communication between the former committee that
was chaired of course by Jamie Corapp now under Missus Cotton,
by Hattenheimer and Chris Tabbs, Finance Minister Craig Parody, Housing
Minister Jody Wall. So I guess the conversations also continue

(09:52):
with the unincorporated areas. But we're pleased to know that
that housing assistance program has been extended to the end
of March of twenty two, twenty six. And we wonder
what the status is of the investigation by the RCMP
in the potential for this to be all the cause
all caused. Pardon me by Arson. Let's keep going, all right,

(10:12):
hat Susan Walsh on the program earlier this week, and
I suppose the follow up next week is required. Her
most recent report, her second report into what they refer
to as the key well being indicators, and they are
individual health, healthcare, finances, housing, transportation, security and protection. In
the world of security and protection, crimes against seniors is

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up and notably up on the and I guess in
some of the positive news here, the report says eighty
eight percent of seniors indicated if they're satisfied or very
satisfied with their lives. Eighty four percent is said they
feel somewhat or very strong a sense of belonging. Okay,
that's up when compared to the Canadian counterparts. But here

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we go the PROBLEMCE has the highest percentage of seniors
and Canada twenty four point six percent of the population
being aged sixty five or older. When it comes to
access to primary care, we have the lost percentage in
the country. Susan Marsh goes on to say, we're not
investing in community supports and services, especially if you look
at rural the rural need compared to the urban need

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is obvious. Here's another direct quote. The seniors are older,
they're poor. We really need to think about it. One
size fits all not the answer. Community organization is going
to be one of the keys to this. Let's get
into some numbers. Compared to the other province's territories, seniors
in this problems have the lowest median income, which was
twenty nine, seven hundred and ten dollars back in twenty

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twenty three. Also, seniors in this problems have the highest
dependency on the guaranteed income supplement. On that front, one
of the immediate solutions that can be found there for
seniors who are indeed in need, and the eligibility for
the guaranteed income supplement has to increase because the threshold
that was maybe meaningful five years ago is not the

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same today. All of our purchasing power has decreased dramatically,
so we have to change the income threshold or the
eligibility threshold for the guaranteed income supplement. Employment for people
between sixty five and sixty nine increased by twelve percent
in the last five years, higher than the national average
of two percent. And also some of these curious things

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that are really difficult to understand. Now, it's good that
the PCs the current government have pledged to increase the
senior's benefit by twenty percent, but it's just some interesting
facets of life. If you're on income support and your
housing support is taken care of, if you parton me
when you turn sixty five, you lose that support. They're

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still poor, they still need the support. So what happens
as opposed to that money to cover home support? All
of a sudden, the senior who's poor, who now has
to pay out of pocket for some additional home care
and support, ends up at a personal care home, ends
up in a long term care facility. And what do
you think that means? It costs us all more. So
hopefully some solutions can be found there, and if you

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want to take it on, we can absolutely talk about
that or anything else under the sun today.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
All right.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I see this story. I'm not exactly sure what is
going on, but we've heard about this case in the
recent past, and it's about animal cruelty. It's terrible story,
all right. I don't leave her name out of it
because she hasn't gone through the court process at this moment.
But this lady forty four criminal charges are causing unnecessary pain,
suffering or injury to more than a dozen animals, mostly goats.

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So when the RCMP were made aware and the complaint
came forward, they went to the property and they found
animals either dead, starving, or unable to walk. It's been
slow walked through the course. She's now still trying to
retain legal representation. And you know here all the time,
some people who are accused of committing these types of
crimes they don't deserve legal represent but the fact of

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the matter is they do. It's one of the cornerstones
of the system, whether we like it or not. But
that's some pretty serious charges unnecessary pain, suffering or injury.
The animals were dead, starving, or unable to walk. Amazing stuff.
And I guess in the world of crime and punishment,
it is worth, you know, putting it back out through that.
The currently liberals did table legislation that people refer to

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as tough on crime. Part of it was a pledged
to hire a thousand new RCNP officers. They also talked
about folks who have been charged with home evasions or
violent care, theft, assault, sexual salt extortion, human trafficking. They'll
have to prove they deserve bailed before it's awarded, so
they call that the reverse onus. Then they talk about

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things like consecutive sentences and what have you. I think
it's welcomed across the country, but this is eventually going
to be heard by the Supreme Court for a charter test.
The exact same thing happened in twenty eleven when then
Prime Minister Stephen Harper brought forward things the judges discretion
handout consecutive twenty five year blocks, a parole ineligibility if

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someone's been found guilty as a repeated fendure committed multiple
first degree murders, for instance, and it got shot down
by the Supreme Court. So this is going to go
through the same challenge. But I think people welcome whether
or not it actually works a tough on crime or
a tough err on crime stance. All right back to
health for a second. So this is an examination through

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freedom of information requests about how many people have left
emergency rooms across the across the country before they actually
got to see a doctor. The result, some five hundred
thousand Canadians last year left the emergency room after a long,
arguous wait before even seeing the doctor. They got fed up.
And then you hear mercy room doctors and nurses talk

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about the fact that they come back to work the
next day and they see a face that they saw
yesterday or the day before, and they didn't get to
see a doctor, but they're back in the waiting room.
In this part, robbins, the number of people leaving has
almost doubled since twenty nineteen. Thirty five thousand people walking
out of the mercy rooms in this province in twenty
twenty four. And the way this story is written, this
is not really that important, but it's irritating. The sentence reads,

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thirty five thousand people walking out of the maritime province
in twenty twenty four. This is an Atlantic province. We're
not part of the Maritimes. But thirty five thousand people
walking out and five hundred thousand people did not see
the doctor before they left the emergency room in Canada
last year. Whether it be labor shortages, and there's a
few other reasons, lack of family doctors which sends people

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to the emergency room, but there's also the concept of
boarded patients as they call them. These are people who
have been admitted to the hospital but don't have a
bed up on the floor, so consequently they're in the
emergency room. So I guess it all will come back
to labor shortages because we talked about well there's not
a bed, it doesn't mean there's not a semipostrophedic. It
means that there's not enough staff to have you up

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on the ward on the floor with the required number
of healthcare professionals to provide your care. So man, that's
wild number on that front. This is back in the
news and I think we probably heard her first on
this program when a member of Canada's military called the
show about his daughter, Rebecca McDonald. She's born in this

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province and her father Tony, who was a member of
the military. They left when she was quite young to
go to Petauahua, then another transfer, I believe into New Brunswick.
Then they've been here for since twenty twenty one. I
believe it is I'm going to get this story right.
So they moved back. She was given a local residency
status to apply to Memorial University, which comes with tuition complications, right,

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And I thought that this was going to be the
same thing regarding her possibility to compete for a seat
in the medical school as a local, which is different.
Locals have a different set of priorities to compete for
one of eighty one seats versus the international pool or
the rest of the world pool, of which there's owning
six seats. So to compete with the locals, it would

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be somewhere like two hundred. Make sure you get the
right numbers, between two hundred and fifteen two hundred and
seventy five applications usually coming for these spots. To compete
in the other pool should be competing with four hundred
and fifty people for just six posts spots. This is
all because of legislation, you know, accommodations made for the
country's military and examples like this just makes sense considering

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the fact that Rebecca McDonald is quite likely to want
to continue to practice as a medical doctor upon graduating
from one's medical school. So let's change the legislation. It's
fair enough for whether it be the university administration or
the dean of the med school to try to chime
in on this, but their hands are pretty much tied.
Let's get the legislation adjusted. It's as simple as that.

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Accommodations based on common sense are sometimes not as common
as they should be, and including this particular example. And
we had Tony on the show, and if there's any
update available, we can do it a couple of very
quick ones before we get to you. How we doing
not there, David, all Right, interesting reactions to the comments
I guess I made about contraband tobacco, and apparently it's

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extremely popular. People are buying why because they can save money.
The conversation coming from law enforcement is that contraband tobacco,
tobacco is very likely all tied up in the hands
and the profits for organized crime. You see the busts
of contraband tobacco joined by illicit drugs and guns and
cash and vehicles and all the rest of it. Interestingly,

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you know, I know people are trying to save a dollar.
I totally get it, but I had I don't know
how many people tell me that they would say, shag it.
They'd prefer their money went to organized crime, then to
pay all the taxes for the money to flow to
the province. It's a pretty wild way to think, but anyway,
lots of people chiming in on it. If you want
to take it out, we can do it. I had

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a bunch of other things, but I will get this
one out there because we know the fishery is still
a big part of the province, all right. So the
concern regarding the labor dispute, and it's similar back to
when the tolerance issue had been removed from the crab
schedule just a couple of years ago. ASP tried to
change the language. This is about the crab settlement or
the crab rebate money that's supposed to flow to the harvesters.

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It's going to arbitration. It's always quite likely that this
was where it was going to land. And apparently the
premier has promised expedited arbitration on this front. So had
that not been the case, and they continued to struggle
to be no money paid out before Christmas. So at
this point apparently the majority of the money will be
paid part of Christmas. After that the rest will be

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paid sometime in the new year. But it is going
to an arbitrator, an expedited form of arbitration. So that's
the update on the crab settlement moneyes you want to
talk about that or anything under the sun, you can
do right after this very quickly this lady asked me
if I can put it out there or happy to
do it. Eighteen year old sons Carl Stalin at the
Village Mall parking lot last night. Apparently he just dropped

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his keys inadvertently before he went to the gym. Car gone.
It's a white twenty fifteen Honda Civic license plate number
is j d H nine six eight. If you see it,
reports of the VOCEM are partly reports to the cops.
Not much I can do about it here, but reports
of the R and C. Please so it's a white
twenty fifteen civic license plate number j d H nine

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That means you're in the queue. The topic up to you.
Don't go away. Welcome back to the show. Let's go
to let number three bruce around the air.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Hi, Patty, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Okay? How about you?

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Good?

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Good good?

Speaker 5 (21:43):
I know you're your sister quig Well actually coached he
in in soccer anyway, My sister Lisa.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
That's a.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Anyway, I've got a question for you, and probably you answer.
But I had a a few Attrackic tickets showed up
on Monday, and that was my birthday signed and there
was a sign on court saying that.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
It was closed.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
Hell of them twenty eighth And I talked to birth
was going in and he said, well, sir, we hadn't.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
I said he didn't.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
So anyway, I phoned bring to the Provincial Court and
I asked the person here that I was talking to,
and I said, so, what happens? I mean, I've missed
my court date and she said, sir, it would be
on VOCM or some other news network. I said, well,
not necessary. I listened to VOCM and so I said, uh,

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when do I find out in my court date my
new court date? And she said, well, that will present
to you. So I said really, I said, so I
can't say. I guess I'm saying, is the cancerration? If
I didn't listen to THEOCM, I would know.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
About not the Well I work pretty good source. But yeah,
things are rescheduled automatically. If it's through no fault to
your own that you can't present yourself on the court date,
there's you know, the there's things like bench w warrants
and the like, but of course it's not a criminal matter.
This is a challenge of a traffic ticket. Now, so yeah,

(23:28):
you'll simply be rescheduled automatically. But just so I understand
exactly what the court officer said, is that the only
way for you to have found out that the court
was closed is to listen to VOCM. Is that what
you told me?

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, exactly, that's what she told me.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
And I shook my hand. I said, I'm not necessarily
I'm going to be on the radio twenty four to seven,
And I said number one, He said, I did not
want to, let's say, miss this court date and then
all of a sudden I find again, you know.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Something like that.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
So I said, I thought I would get some kind
of a notification or even an email stating that the
court date was changed.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
But I.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Guess the system really sucks.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah. Now, I don't know the answer to this question.
But at the Provincial Court of Newfoundland and larbordor where
you can check the docket and the status of the
corporate opener clothes, does that include traffic court. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
I don't know either.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
No, I don't know. I don't know, do you.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Mammy asking what kind of traffic taker we're talking about.
I'm just curious.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Oh, it was a little fender bender, okay, And.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
Basically what I did. I got out and looked at
the car and the lady in front of me I
was parking, and I said, yeah, there's no no, no damage.
She said no, there's no damage. So I went on
and then I found out that that I drove away

(25:04):
without showing my life my I guess my registration and
insurance and anyway, I said, okay, very good. So I said,
I'm feeling that because there was no there was no accident,
so anyway, that's uh. And the basic was failure to
show my uh insurance.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Fair enough, I mean, the court officer should know this.
And now that I'm just racking my brain a little bit,
the court docket website does indeed give you the status
of small claims, traffic, and the criminal courts, and that
web addresses docket docket dot court dot, l dot.

Speaker 7 (25:44):
Ca A.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Docket dot court dot A docket that's right, L dot Yeah, okay,
and I can do it.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
Okay again, I uh, as you know, I didn't know
that as an average suicien, I thought I wouldn't know that.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Now some people peruse it all the time just see
whose name is on the docket facing whatever type of charge.
But you can indeed check the status of the court
being open, and yes you can see in DC who's
on the criminal docket. But yeah it's docket, dot coort,
dot NL, dot CA.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
Okay, okay, okay, And maybe maybe a week before my
court date, I should probably checked that if i'd known.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Oh, I'm not trying to lecture. I'm just trying to
give out some information.

Speaker 8 (26:33):
No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
I just that was that was a thought to myself
and said, okay, that would be one way that I
didn't have to show up there.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, so there's a bit of info for the listeners
and yourself into the future. Uh, just out of curiosity,
once again, drop me an email with the outcome of
your challenge.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
The outcome or.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
Yeah, okay, I will do that because uh uh anyway,
I can say all I want, but it's my word
against someone else's, you know. Yeah again again, I was
the one that found the police and told him come
by right away to look at my car, and they did,
and I said, there's no damage and anyway, but still

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I gotta do it, sir, So okay, very good. Well
we'll just see it in court.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Small ticket.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
But you know something, it's just a principle that's.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
For me anyway, totally get it.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, sir, thank you for taking your time
to listen to an old fellow talk.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
I appreciate you making time for the show stay and
talks to Bruce.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Okay, thank you, bye bye bye.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
And also, of course, uh, youth facing charges will not
appear on the docket for the obvious reasons of privacy
and what have you. But yeah, I'm sure I can't
click that line off, Dave. Can you help me out
with line three? I know what's going on. I just
got a spinning wheeling technology great and you know mention that,
you know, a little bump into another car and no

(28:05):
damage and so consequently the drivers all go in their
merry way. Pretty lucky because it doesn't take much to
suffer some pretty significant damage and consequently pretty significant repair costs,
does it. I mean, some of the some of the
way that the vehicles are built and the materials used. Boy,
oh boy, it doesn't take much write off a vehicle

(28:25):
these days. Let's get a break in, don't away. Welcome
back to the show. Let's go lend number two patrarck
around the air.

Speaker 8 (28:36):
Heady Patty, just trying to get some idea if anybody
knows or if Tony Wakem has said anything yet to
watching plans for independent analysis of the MoU is going
to be.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Short answer is no.

Speaker 8 (28:56):
Anyway. My comment on it is this should not be
you know, it was said to be independent before under
the Liberals, but we all know that, you know, political involvement,
people that they had chosen whatever Cony should look in

(29:19):
my opinion, to go international with this, get you know,
experts from out there, Brazil, China, India, whoever, the top
people are out there in evaluating this, because my fear
is Tony is just trying to get this to die
on the table, and if there is an independent analysis,

(29:41):
it's just going to be some insider who have no
experience nothing, someone like you Shan Skinner or someone you know,
top people in the parody.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I don't think it's going to be that, to be
honest with you, Patrick, but I just won't pass the
smell test. I think it would be a self inflicted
Wound or Premier Wakem, you know, blatantly picked someone up.

Speaker 8 (29:58):
Oh, I totally I agree with you there, but I
can see that happening, you know, politically, I can see
I can see him doing doing it. But I totally
agree with what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yes, just a couple of quick comments. So I asked
Premier Withakem those specific questions here on this program. He
said to me, these will not be political appointees. He's
looking for a company, an organization, someone with some background
and some horsepower in utilities and these types of level
of contracts.

Speaker 8 (30:24):
Exactly what I'm saying. He may need to go international
to do that.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I think the most important part is not only the
experience in the track record, And what's going to be
extremely tricky here is to try to find an organization.
You can pick one power advisor JP, Morgan Chase or
Goldman Sachs without any conflict of interests that have done
any business with this province. The problems of Quebec with
Newfound Level or Hydro with Hydro Quebec, I mean they're

(30:48):
pretty big and long tentacles from Hydro go Beec in particular.
So picking someone that hasn't had dealings that they've benefited
from or profited from with hydro Quebec is going to
be tricky.

Speaker 8 (30:58):
That's for one of the reasons too for my suggestion
of you may need to go outside outside of not
just the country, outside of North America to do it,
to get through independence, because yes, getting someone in North
America with any of these corporations, but you know, as

(31:22):
you mentioned with your finance and other stuff or hydroelectric
or anything, getting someone who hasn't dealt with hydro Quebec
is extremely difficult, extremely and we have Patty a limited
not to get a deal done. I don't know why

(31:44):
your opinion. I think, you know, even if something will
eventually get done, but there is just you know, let's
bring it out there to be honest. The current premier,
the current and that something happens, he is not likely
going to get back elected in Quebec. So it's coming

(32:09):
down to an election in Quebec and pressure on them
to get to get it, to get a deal done
done and done now before that election. Whether that helps
us or hinder us your opinion, and that is as
good as mine.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well, I don't think we even need to have opinions
on the Quebec timeline, because it's pretty clear to me
Lego and his party, the Coalition Devonaire, they're done. They're
going to get smoked in the upcoming election. The polls
have had them.

Speaker 8 (32:43):
In my opinion, they're gonna they don't stand much of
a chance.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
They don't stand any chance as the polls currently stand today,
and people can take the polls with a grain of salt,
but the trajectory they are the bottom of the pile.
They might get shut out. The pretty Quebecqua who very
much look like that they're going to win the next
election at this moment anyway. Their leader has said that
he's walking away from this in full. Now. People can
like that or load that particular issue, but that's exactly

(33:08):
what think Gobecca's are saying about it. And you talk
about politics of it all. It's an interesting story in
the media today. Regarding an interview with Hydrokobec's CEO Claudine Bouchard,
she says, my personal view on it is that I'm
really confident because it's a very good deal for them
and a very good deal for us. But the most
interesting comment from her, she says, this is a commercial
agreement that we made, not a political agreement. I mean,

(33:31):
that sounds about right, But that's a little bit Pollyanna.
And that's not about her being a woman obviously, because
the politics we're going to play an active for all
in this regardless. But she's right, this is a commercial agreement,
but it is very much a political issue, no doubt
about it, no doubt.

Speaker 8 (33:47):
About it, no doubt, no doubt to anyone there and
exactly that. That's the point. For the reason I'm saying
like limited timeline, whether that affects things or not, you know,
is because yes, it didn't other parodies. Dave clearly come

(34:12):
out and said no, we don't. We we like here
in New Flame, we're saying, well, is this the best
deal for us? On the other side, but this new
party is saying they're not getting the deal that they
want and they're walking away from us.

Speaker 7 (34:29):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
The party of the club been pretty clear on that.
I can't remember the leader's name at this moment time.

Speaker 8 (34:33):
Yeah, Dave been pretty clear saying that they don't think
that this is the deal that they want, so, you know,
and it'll be interesting. The other thing I think is
has to happen here is right now. If this deal

(34:54):
becomes a defensive agreements, it is the same Churchill falls
if we ever had any issues with it. If anything
ever happens, it's settled in the court of Quebec.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
No time.

Speaker 8 (35:08):
Take that out of there. We need disagreement. If there
is an agreement, it needs to be signed in some
independent place, because I don't think Quebec is going to
agree to sign of the new Philands but to an
independent panel.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
That's not the case. Though. The MoU is pretty clear
any legal challenges will be held in the court in Ontario,
so not Newfouland, Labrador, not Quebec, which I think is
pretty important because all the products I read.

Speaker 8 (35:38):
I read it was going to be Quebec. Patty, thanks
for the correction on that.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
That's Ontario, which I think is a helpful first step
because all the court challenges, exactly, all the court challenges
that we lost every single time were in Quebec.

Speaker 8 (35:51):
What do we think was going to happen, Bingo under
the oh, exactly, you're challenging in Quebec. What was going
to happen?

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Nothing? We lost every time.

Speaker 8 (36:02):
I think it was seventh straight, yes, something like that,
six or seventh straight anyway, thanks Patty. The other one
out there, well, just throw one final thing. If I
seeing you and not saying I have to go to
bath in an agreement, why is your opinion, Because my

(36:23):
opinion would be a time of good fat by Quebec
is throw us. You know you made billions and billions
and billions on this nineteen sixty nine deal six seven, eight,
ten times or more. We've made throw us a bone

(36:45):
and we need it. We need money to pay down
to death hair in New Fland.

Speaker 7 (36:49):
B time.

Speaker 8 (36:51):
Is part of this of an agreement should be an
upfront payment, not related to this semou and new agreements
or anything. Just a payment of two million, five million
payment from so many millions, sorry billions of dollars as

(37:13):
a payment down front, as a sign of good faith
with coler.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Now if you pose that question to someone working at
Hydro Quebec, they'd say, well, the good faith payment is
an average billion dollars free now in twenty forty one,
adding up to seventeen billion. And I mean, I'm not
justifying whether or not this is the best deal possible.
That's just the that's what we hear from the Province
of Quebec and hydro Quebec, whether or not people like
it or loath it. Once again, I'll leave that up

(37:39):
to the individual. Patrick, anything else quick before I do
have to go to the break.

Speaker 8 (37:43):
No, that's it, Patty, just one comment? All the best
too wellx now hook pretty pretty shameful what happened, you know,
But that's parad I guess of the support you plu
you play in by I mean, he was finally getting
his confidence, finally playing on a great line with two

(38:06):
other great players that matched his skill sets. It's it's
it's it's a real shame what happened, because he was
just coming into into himself. If you if you understand
what I mean by that comment, I do.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
He was playing great, He really was. He was reliable
and consistently made a couple of safety coughed up a
bad one in overtime one game, but then he came back.

Speaker 8 (38:28):
He finally was given a roller by the team. He said, look,
playing penalty killer, want you to do this and on.
He finally had a place on the team too, that
he knew what he jot and what was expected of them.
It's a shame because he's likely up for he's likely
out for the full season, maybe maybe maybe remote chance

(38:51):
of the playoffs, but you know, all the best to
him and his family. Hopefully, hopefully it doesn't pack things
because anybody knows, anybody who's had these nose ankle injury,
you know what effects mobility and affects your speed going forward. Right,

(39:11):
it's a hard injury to recover from.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Appreciate the time, Patrick, thank you, Okay, bye bye bye.
I mean, like everyone who's ever played anything, I suppose
you don't even have to have been an athlete. You'd
rather break something than tear ligaments every day of the week.
It's that high ankle sprain is worse than a fractured ankle, right,
I mean, repairing the bones is a much speedier recovery

(39:34):
than those high ankle sprains and teraror ligaments and what
have you, just a couple of very quick ones. You know.
People ask me why we're not talking about defense spending,
especially on the f thirty fives of the gripping and
what's the right one. I mean, some of that's a
little bit over my head. But people keep telling me
that this argument made by us quote unquote diplomat Pete
Hawkstra about it until we commit to buying all eighty

(39:56):
eight thirty five, so we're not going to see a
trade negotiation continue, which is extortion and it is ridiculous.
Just for clarity, Ambassador Hawkstra, and for some other pondits
I see out there, the actual fact of the matter
is the country assigned a contract to buy sixteen f
thirty five's at a determined price. The remainder up to

(40:17):
eighty eight is an agreement in principle with Novasign price,
so it's not a signed contracted by any more than sixteen,
which I think the country has already said we're going
to buy them. And as to whether or not we
should buy, the Grippins have a mixed fleet. Whatever works best,
whatever provides the best military component and is financially manageable,
I suppose that's probably the right thing to do. Let's
get a break in, don't go away, Welcome back to

(40:39):
the show. Let's go line number one. Now you're on
the air.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Okay, how about you not.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Too bad but not too bad? Just got another update
for your bad Buy about the DJ models in Saint
Bride's or whatever with the council, the X councilor should say, well,
it's pretty by since last day I talked to you.
It'll be honest with you. It's it's even worse than
the last day at activate a bigger disgrace to the
people and the residents after the community that's supporting that
council for so many years. I'll tell you what. And

(41:09):
all of them Wales now as we speak today, then
four Wells and ane of them wells per same by
as Andy go through residents, same price you get clean
drink divot and will one of miss you. I'll still
doing my homework like I told you the last time,
and I was going to reach out to Sheregan Welsh,
which I did. I must say she got back to me.
She was in the meeting yesterday and man, oh man,
what you are capable of doing between you miserable affairs

(41:30):
and the ex council, it's just unbelievable what you're willing
and trying the capable to do. If you're even willing
to you're going to maybe come back out again a
test to order out of that whale. And that was
the woman's going to be used in x Mayor's property.
It's right down in drilled down in the middle off
a contaminated dump that he literally dumped from the half
or three years cantaminated material. We'll tell you a paddy

(41:52):
the material that's in it. It's so bad that the
last time we had Greg and I was the president,
the habital we gredged almost spring will be nine years.
And the material that's up on that web site is
so bad that it's down in our harber harbor now
as we speak since twenty seventeen. Cannot go over. It
cannot be hard, no work to dump. It's too high

(42:14):
half too toxic. So that is the material. But he
put a well down. He broke every law in the
provincial government, the character rules and regulations. And if the
World Company was told that or was not told was
told that they broke it will. They were supposed to
have permits to go there from the Minister a few
missible affairs. Nothing was supposed to be touched on that

(42:35):
property unless it was well a work, true, assessment and
tested and everything before anybody was to drill. And the
drill company just went up to and he had no
proof of who owned, no property in the same prices
it was all supposed to beyond the town regsroed to
the provincial government as the town and none of the
but it was our private property and moon wealth the

(42:57):
person that give permission while I'm here, and he don't
have no papers on the property. So it's the biggest
disgrace that ever went down with the You know, as
are the way he went for to be said to
get on and go back. But I was thirty eight
years on council and I want to continue doing what
I'm doing. To go and take the community hollows down

(43:17):
that was destroyed, and then to go take the wells
the money for the provincial government that shall we give
them much pot for us to people here the gates
from the provincial government. Then to go take it and
put it down. One and he's proper and theo and
his brother's property and that well is no good he said, Okay,
he attacked to umisible Persian environment, gestuary death will and
his borough's property is good for one or two houses,
it's no good for the community. So what is the

(43:40):
name of God we deal them with?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
A to allow it sounds like a first to me.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
It's a real But I'll tell you want to there's
a lot of questions not answer, Jesse, but I tell
you wanting that you've got to keep eight different offices.
I'm packing to now, and the last place was hating
to yesterday was up in Cornerbrook, and seven was in
Saint John's. But I'll tell you one thing, mister Keith Martinus,
you MISSI l Affairs and Environment. He's a new guy
now was supposed to be actually over. So if you

(44:08):
wanted to do you could reach out to him. And
now we had and see what he got to say
about us. He was into the meeting yesterday. I don't
know why put down in the meeting. I wasn't harping
to share you're not a miss. But I do know
as after this race, what what is going on? I
mean to say, I get to go, try to keep
the give the people. The last of the day is
mostly seniors out here. Now, the last of the days
we'll give you well.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
If I have to give you well, bottle is not
a woods, I'll.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Give you a contaminated water thirty eight year drinking bag
and beeple pissed. And now when we had a chance
to getting clean, Saint Drinker made going to try to
give you contaminated water to suffers in that party, is
right to Arthenic literally as because that's why to stop
it down the pill.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
So the test's actual scientific tests of the water says
it's rilled with arsenic.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
It's dinner and I feel more wicked chemicals. Also, I
talked to one fellow this morning. He wasn't even working
the answer his cell phone, and he said, I have
walking me a god. Would you even consider yourself to
go and destroy money? We'll forget about the money. To
go put a way down through the middle of a dump.
You've got to be sixty meters fatly away from a dump.

(45:17):
And then you still got to kept if the water
is good when you drill us sixty meters roughly give
or take two hundred feet until my homework comers. And
then they've got to be kept with a certain toy,
different thing altogether in a regular way. Look in the
middle of the winters, not happy to not handy to
a dump for nothing. And then and only then can
it be done by the minister. It was two hundred

(45:39):
feet away former no dump, not down to the middle
of a dump like that was twenty feet for years.
That can daminate the material in that play and that
hablet land were stopped from the harbor twenty to thirty
feet in the airless settle down rotten by and saying,
then you name it fish cuts and everything in anything
I'll turns into arsnic common sense. That's what it is,

(46:00):
because our harbor is rich in Nasnick, and that's why
the stuff is down there not allowed to go over.
The last stuff went out about harbor petty. They gave
this so called that's mail six thirty thousand dollars too
hollered to green the hills and the rest of us
cannot go. We stopped the job. There was no tenders,
and when we stopped it out, the rest of this
can't go. Now it's got to stay here. Who's too hard,

(46:22):
he told me, Albert, it's too highly taxes, he touches
and stuff got a stator. So if we never holded
away first last both finishing off, and then I'll let
you go and a you'll busy. He was thirty year
as the mayor at Saint Brides and hard as every
bit of land that he wanted to drop it in
Saint Brides and put it east west north and say
we're all over the community and it's up by my sisters.

(46:43):
It was literally disgraced, to say the least. He was
for years just dumped it. Absolutely, he must give the
permission to the people to go ahead because he used
to mail. He really thought he owned of the community
when he used to mail. And I taught to you
a council member now that was on the council with them,
and that member knew nothing before the Wells went to
thank get over where he put the Wales. It's unbelievable,

(47:05):
like you said, that person said to me, it's unbelievable
to say he became enough to what we knew not
in about well, I said, missus, and they did, the
men and the women. Ye believe it or not. You
are a past at the old council. But we did
not know about this. We're never told. Man, he don't
really wanted to do with it. So there's a lot
of answer. Somebody get tacked to a lot of people
before this is sober, Betty, I'm sure we getting on

(47:27):
Westers still walking down and that which we speak.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Okay, Uh, that's the update. I do have to get
going though, well, but I appreciate your time.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Right on. Thanks a lot, Breddy, Thanks you welcome, Bye.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Bye, all right, Let's get to the news. Don't go away,
Welcome back to the program. Let's go to land Uber
six Sigamore into the executive director a youth Young Adult
Cancer Canada. Yeah, Jeff eating Jeff, you're on the air.

Speaker 9 (47:55):
Hey dude, how are you man doing?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Good man? I get so used to call it yeck
that I sometimes forgot what the acronym means.

Speaker 10 (48:01):
Hey, yacht works.

Speaker 9 (48:02):
Great for us. Listen, I'm glad I could catch you today.
Huge day in the life of yak as we are
hours away from the force Energy Shape for the brave
and lunched on Today, seven energy leaders in our province
are going to get the most powerful haircut our life.
Something you know all about I do and Mark Callett

(48:25):
CEO Crosby continues to leave this effort. We have got
a record sitting effort this year which is just making
a huge impact on the yacht programming and community that
we are able to build and support young adults dealing
with cancer across Nicolina, Lavador and across the country. So

(48:47):
I want to call and just say a huge extra
thanks to all of the shavers we got Shelley and
Jennifer and Kirk and Dennis and Jeff and Torre and
Minister Lloyd Parrot getting a haircut today and Mark call it.
It's the champion behind this whole thing, and we're just
so grateful for all of them and all the sponsors stepping.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Up today and bravo to all hands doing it. You know,
there is a leap of faith when you go ahead
and shave your head if it's not something that you
normally do. And you always refer to it as the
most powerful haircut you'll ever receive, and it's absolutely demonstrably
true as someone who's done it. It is an experience
because it's not just about the hair, it's about what

(49:26):
it represents and about the work that's going to be
done by you and the folks that yact right across
the country. Because until you came to be, there was
plenty of focus and supports for children with cancer, plenty
of supports for adults, you know, well into their adult
years that have a diagnosi of cancer, young adults starting
off with their family life, graduating from university, just getting

(49:47):
their legs under them. Then to face this diagnosis, the
supports weren't there. So Yak has really filled a critical gap.

Speaker 11 (49:54):
Yeah, thanks Patty, it is you know, by accident. Really
when we got started, we just wanted to do something
to help with an experience that we've had. And then
as we got into it, we kind of realized, Man,
there's no big brothers and sisters out there that we
can partner up with.

Speaker 9 (50:08):
Or connect with. So that's really why we've been focused
on filling that gap is because you know, twenty five
years ago when we started, nobody really even talked about
or thought about young adults getting cancer, and they certainly
did then and unfortunately more alom are getting it now
and more up to nine thousand a year and newly
diagnosed young adults and as you just said, they got

(50:30):
they've just got such unique challenges, right, It's a cancer
is a big challenge any stage of life, no question,
and for young adults it's just different because of our
stage of life. And that's why the energy shape of
the wave is so important. It gives us the fuel
and then literally the power to go and reach out, connect,
grow this community and to continue to support it every day.
So huge, huge, thanks for everybody involved in supporting today

(50:53):
and for your your shave in the past and your
kind words today. Man, it's a team effort for and
we're so grateful we still be doing this work twenty
five years later.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, good on. You can you give some idea what
kind of fund has been raised with this seven shaves today?

Speaker 9 (51:09):
The world over three hunder grand. We're gonna have revealed
the event, but wor over three hundred grand. It's the
biggest energy shape we've had today. It's absolutely incredible. The
Shavers themselves of rallied raising a bunch of money. Mark
Kala is the quarterback of this thing, and he and
his network in the energy industry across the province, but
they were supporting Yak long before this energy shave, but

(51:33):
this has really taking it to the next level. And
I know Yak is not alone on that. You know,
there's literally hundreds of charities, I'm sure, all across the
province that have been impacted by this industry and it's
still in thropic spirit and it's certainly helping us change
more lives.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
And we're give us the where the winds and I
are the public able to come and share around the shavers?

Speaker 12 (51:55):
Yeah sorry, we're sold out today so we can't access,
but there will be lots of social content shared with
the Brave is on all the main platforms as his
Young l Cancer Canada and hopefully I'm sure you're going
to see images from the shavers as they share a
post after because we'll have some obviously beautiful before picks
and some really fun after picks too when the haircuts

(52:16):
are done.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Good luck to all hands today and thank you to
them for their contributions and really appreciate what all the
work you've done over the last twenty five years. Jeff,
thanks for your time this morning.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
You your chance.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Thanks Patty, take care of youtubell. Bye bye bye. Jeff
Eating the executive director at Young Adult Cancer Canada. Yeah. Look,
I mean no big deal that I did it. Jeff
and I spoke and he eventually convinced me to do it.
But I did it with my son. I did it
with Jack, and we did it at it in front
of a sold out crowd and what was then Mile
one Center. It was a pretty wild experience because if

(52:48):
anybody knows me, I kind of like my air. Let's
keep going nine number three. Colleen, you are on the air.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Hi, Good morning, Patty, morning to you.

Speaker 13 (53:00):
I have a announcement.

Speaker 14 (53:03):
I hope you'll be able to help me with.

Speaker 13 (53:06):
Last night, my grandson went to the gym at the
village mall. Now he just finished high school in July.
I went right into college in September. So we got
him a car and you know, helping him get through
through his course fast. And he must have dropped these
keys on the way into the gym, and when he

(53:28):
came back out, his car was gone. And it was
a two by fifteen hundred Civic white four doors license
plate j D eight nine six eight.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah, And I put it out for you off the
top of the program as well. So hopefully that gets
a few eyeballs scanning around and any white Civics a
seed today. If the license plate is as Colleaguene has described,
please call the RNC. Thank you so much, happy to
help fingers Cross. Let me know if this works out.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
I will, so thanks again, have a good day the.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Same to you, Bye bye bye. Yeah. So you know,
every now and then, this is just one of these
friendly reminders. It doesn't matter if I bring it up.
If it's something that you want to talk about, we
can do it. And there was one question as to
why I didn't do X, Y and ZAD, and in
this case is referred to some performative politics in the
House of Commons yesterday by one of the Conservative members,

(54:34):
Stephanie Kessey. You know, so we do know that there
was an announcement yesterday that the country has secured a
new partnership on defense and economic relationships and partnerships with Sweden.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Some of that.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Conversation cand of extend into things like the grip and
aircraft and stop committing to build all those aircrafts in
this country, which is an interesting conversation. But this one
particular Conservative member stood up and it was quite the
ranch I have to say about how it's apparently un
Canadian or anti Canada for the Prime Minister to be overseas.
You can think what you want of Mark Kearney, but

(55:08):
I don't know how traveling to try to do business
with other countries is somehow all of a sudden anti Canadian.
Would the same comments to be offered if he was
in Washington, d C. Probably not. So we know he's
in the UAE, the United Arab Emirates. You know, people
may have concerns about the allegations of the UAE funding
paramilitary operations in Soudan, but they are also home to

(55:29):
some of the largest CYBEBGN wealth funds in the world,
so the reason why he's there, and of course then
on the way to the G twenty, which is in
South Africa. So it's hard to understand how we don't want,
whether it be Stephen Harper or Mark Kearney or any
prime minister of any stripe, not to be traveling abroad
to try to in this circumstance to try to secure

(55:50):
new partnerships. And we could talk about MOUs whether or
not they ever manifest themselves to actual investment in the country,
but to not try to diversify our trading partners at
this very unique moment in history, seems that that would
be the bad idea, wouldn't it. As opposed to travel
And if you get a chance, you can find it
maybe on YouTube or something. It is quite the hysterical rant,

(56:11):
that's one thing for sure. And it doesn't matter if
it's a man or woman offering it, because we see
plenty of performative politics coming from men as well. Of
course we do. Let's get a break in when we
come back. Dennis is there to talk about recycling. Then
you don't go away, welcome back. Let's go line Number
two Dennis around the air.

Speaker 10 (56:27):
Good morning, Patty morning. I got about twenty twenty five
bags of recyclers. I used to have a lice, but
I lostful races for medical reasons, so I got no
way of getting them. So if anybody's welcome, they can
have them.

Speaker 7 (56:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
So where are you?

Speaker 3 (56:46):
I'm in St.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Chance Okay, you're in Saint Chohnce's and so I'll just leave.

Speaker 10 (56:49):
My phone number this some we can call them me.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
And you're like, sure, you can just leave it with David.

Speaker 10 (56:53):
We have it, okay, so they can call them. Then
they can be called. I just shown my by the offensive.
Somebody comes skip them, right.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Okay, So I'm sure somebody's going to be willing to
take them and cash them in and put a few
bucks in their pocket. Do you want any money for it?
Do you just want them out of the house?

Speaker 10 (57:09):
No, I just want them out hair right now.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
It sounds about right to me. So, folks, if anyone
like to cash in on some twenty twenty five bags
word of recycling products, Dennis is your man. We have
his number, so if you call David, we'll set you up.
How's that?

Speaker 10 (57:24):
Thanks very much, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
My pleasure, Dennis all the best. I've brought this one
up in the past, but I'll do it again. It
gets me in a bit of hot water. And just
take this for house intended, and it's not about judging
a book by its cover. But when we put out
a recycling you know, there used to be you'd see
some people who you would think are maybe down on
their luck, pushing around a shopping cart or some other

(57:47):
type of carts and going through the recycling to take
what they can that they can cash in over at
Evergreen or whatever the case may be. I never had
a problem with it. Why would I. I think it's
a different conversation when we talk about how other people
are going through the recycling. For instance, there's this one
fellow who does the perusing on garbage day and recycling

(58:09):
day in our neighborhood, and this is going to get
me out water. It's one thing when you can kind
of guess that someone is really in need and putting
in some effort to try to get some money for
whatever the case may be. This guy has a brand
spanking new, top of the line Chevy SUV, beautiful machine,

(58:31):
and I got a funny feeling that I'm chipping in
on somebody's car payments or on his travel or what
have you. I don't know if it robs anybody else
the wrong way, but it kind of does irritate me.
I have to say. You know again, someone can get
mad at me if they're so inclined, but we can
talk about it if you're interested in it. Read an
interesting article in Upstream It's so Oil and Gas magazine.

(58:54):
It's about Beta Nord. You know, there's been a very
recent update and workshops conducted by about some of the
supply chain issues as they continue to proceed to a
potential final investment decision. And yes, from my friends at
the board, definite. A part of me benefits agreements in
some other framework agreements that are yet to be finalized.

(59:15):
And this is about the possibility as so says the author.
And I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with them. Le'll just
put it out there for conversation. Is what is the
risk of overplaying our hand regarding Beta Noord. It's our oil.
We all know that to be true. There's also the
concept of the fact that you know, the most recent exploration,

(59:36):
whether it be by Cyanoch or EXI Mobile they came
up dry, no commercially viable hydrocarbons. So the only field
out there for potential production at this moment in time
is Beta NOORD. And of course it comes it's not
just one well, it would be some forty two wells,
and all the subsey tie acts will be required, and
that work will be done here, so says Equinor. But

(59:56):
it's the reliance or the leaning in on top sides work,
so like trades, and I'll say some sixty eight percent
of that work could and should be done here. The
last time we did extensive top sides work from start
to finish with Mary's Town about twenty years ago for
the White Rose expansion for the White Rose. So the
author goes on to say, is what happens if Beta

(01:00:18):
in order, with all of the different discoveries that they're
sitting on, all the different projects that are deciding whether
or not they want to put their investment dollars in,
is something that they are going to just say, look,
I'm not fighting that particular fight about jobs and benefits agreements,
so maybe, just maybe we'll move on to other projects.
This is the author saying this in pretty clear terms here,

(01:00:38):
and he goes on to assert that Equinor really holds
a lot of the cards here, given the fact, as
I just said, it's the only development out there that's
been identified and work towards final investment decisions and the
potential for production goes on. And you can take that
for what however you hear it goes on to make
another particularly important point, and this is for the future

(01:01:02):
of the industry here, whether or not you think there's
a future or not, here's what he goes on to say.
He says, bizarrely, the provinces legislation allows oil companies to
sit on in perpetuity significant discovery licenses that could be
commercialized if transferred to other players. But instead of addressing
an issue that would eliminate or a part of me
would stimulate investment and local jobs, that federal and provincial

(01:01:22):
authorities sit on their hands. Maybe these licenses hold trillions
of cubic feet of mainly associated gas in new plant
waters and trillions of cubic feet of non associated gas
off Labrador. Pretty important point, you know, I mean, we
do have a base understanding whether the seenior of lowpb
land sales and no bidders, no takers again, this year,

(01:01:44):
but holding land for as this author says, in perpetuity
is probably a terrible idea. I mean, there might be
other active players, maybe more junior players, that think they
can make a buck, whether it be on the amount
of oil that's found and or the substantial finds and
discover of gas associated and non associated gases off our shores.
So it's an interesting point that they make here. I

(01:02:06):
think it's again and again these are just points to
provoke conversation. So that's the Beta Nord issue. And this
author says that we might indeed scare off an investment
decision if there's going to be that staunch position taken.
It's one thing for trade Dannel, quite another for the premiere.
And I asked Premier wakem directly here about walking away

(01:02:27):
in full if Equanora is unwilling to do the work
that we think can be done, whether it be a
bullarm or otherwise, one thing, how do we square a
circle about the MoU Because whether anybody thinks it's a
good deal or bad deal, like I hear from plenty
of people that think, you know, it's either wight till
twenty forty one or just walk away right now, in full,

(01:02:49):
and we'll see what the future holds. The politics of
it is an interesting facet. The timeline associated with Premier
Wakem's independent review and then consequently a binding referendum yet
to be fully understood. But no matter what we think
of the deal in Quebec, it is very clear what
the future holds. The go and his party are dumb.

(01:03:10):
The Party Quebecqua are poised to win. The party Quebecua
leader has said that they're out. They are walking away
in full.

Speaker 6 (01:03:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Whether that's just some nonsensical pressure tactic to encourage negotiations
more to the favor of hydro Quebec and the prophecy
of Quebec, I'll leave that up to you. But that's
a thing. And how do we incorporate that conversation and
or other projects, including wind which Legau has just announced
about four point five billion dollars into a new onshore
wind program. So how do we incorporate all of these

(01:03:40):
moving parts into these particular conversations. Your position on it
as welcome. You can best do it on the phone,
but if you need to want to do it or
email or what have you, let's do that. Lin Number
two Mike you are on the air.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Yes, sir, are you doing this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
That's too bad as well? How about you good?

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
I just heard a conversation during that time about recycling. Yeah, yeah,
and I'm one hundred percent for it. What I do
with my recyclables in the town of tor Bay, I
give it to a friend of mine who has an
artistic child, and he puts it and recycles it into

(01:04:19):
his child's account.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Excellent tone for it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Then and then there's it, like you know, I recycle,
he comes, he picks them up, he puts it in
and the accounts mean, he does it all and everything
is one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
I mean remember back in the day, we'd be playing
minor hockey or whatever the case, we'd be recycling drives
for all the rage. We were at it all the time,
going door to door looking for people's beer bottles to
bring back to raise some money for what we were
up to. But yeah, if you can find a specific
home for recycling, and in this case you're a friend
of your neighbor, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Michael, I give him beer bottles and liberating too like,
but well, I know I know that it's going into
into his artistic child's account. For later in the days
when they're going to need it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Yeah, good for you. That's a nice home for your
recycling money. Absolutely yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
And then that's it. I said, here, take the bear bottles,
take the recyclers, take it all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Yeah, good for you. I mean, we don't have a
whole lot of beer bottles in the house, but I'll
tell you a wow. We go around with our parents,
pickup trucks or whatever could carry the bottles, and you'd
make scads of money if you put it in a
full saturday doing beer bottle recycling runs around the community.
So good for you for making that decision, though, Mike,
I'm sure your neighbor is quite appreciative.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
They them days are over. Yeah, I did it years ago. Yeah,
bottle drives years ago. Then they them days are over.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Apparently so because man or man and I know, minor
sports fundraising is a real task. Some parents who have
the capacity, when the raffles come, they just buy all
the tickets. But man, oh man, the going door to
door selling tickets and working bingos and bottle drives, they
were endless.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
They're gone for the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Most part, it seems to be the case.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Yeah, no, their history, you can't go. You don't go
door door no more. You don't sell newspapers no more.
You don't like you know what we did. You did
and I did years ago at the mall, field, let
the hockey or anywhere else, you know, raise money, get

(01:06:38):
a few dollars to buy boyey goole, Yeah, fair enough
or buy whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Mike, and good eye you for doing it. I appreciate
the time. Anything else you want to say.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
Anyway, No, it just gives it all back to a
friend of mine who got an autistic child, and he
told me that he puts it into his artistic child's
bank account.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Good Mike, I appreciate you doing it, and thanks for calling.
God bless take care you two pell bye bye. All right, Yeah,
so what was I going to say? It was the bingos.
It was working the bingos swapping out the cards and
selling the poll tickets, and you know, for the recycling
drives these days. It basically works a little differently than

(01:07:20):
just unsolicited door to door is the parents of the
young players will contact their friends and their family to
see if there's anyone that wants to make a donation
of any recyclables, so they have more of an assigned
route versus a just banging on doors unprovoked or unsolicited
on a Saturday afternoon. Yeah, man worked a lot of bingos,

(01:07:40):
all right here, So someone else wants to get the number.
Le's plate number. One more time for this stolen white
twenty fifteen civic FOURD or license plate number j d
H nine six eight. That's j d H nine six eight.
Let's get to the break, go away, Welcome back to

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the show. To you this week or next week is
family Dispute Resolution Week? Jonas Online never want to talk
about an upcoming information session as Bill English. Good morning, Bill,
you're on the air.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
Morning Patty, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Okay, it's morning. How about you, great Patty?

Speaker 6 (01:08:19):
Thank you forgiveness the time. I belong to a group
that has been working now for a couple of years
to promote other ways of dealing with family disputes other
than or in addition to the courts. The people involved
with the group, including myself, have long experience with seeing
people go through what happens when there's a separation, divorce,

(01:08:42):
or some of the dispute about property or children. And
what we came to realize is that a lot of
people didn't know about this alternative way of dealing with it,
which we call family dispute resolution. Some people refer to
it as mediation. So that's what I wanted to talk
about for a few minutes today.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Let's do it. Where would you like to start.

Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
Well, first of all, we aren't having events next week.
This is our first annual Family Resolution Week. The one
that I think might be of most interest is a
public information session and that's taking place in Saint John's
on Tuesday evening seven o'clock to eight thirty and we're

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holding it at the Hampton Inn on Steve Anger Drive
in Saint John's. We're going to basically have people there,
some lawyers, mediators and others, and myself who will answer
any questions and explain a little bit about what mediation is,
how it works, who does it, when you can access it,

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all that kind of thing, because we are really concerned
when we look at who's going through these things, first
of all, about how stressful it is. Very difficult. If
you know anybody who's ever gone through it, everybody's an
amateur at it. Nobody prepares for that. And of course
it's also can be extremely expensive if you get into

(01:10:10):
a protracted court matter. So we're trying basically to promote
this idea, increase awareness of it, and give people some
avenues to go to. I can say a few things
about mediation. The first thing is it's voluntary, so it's
something that people would have to choose to do. It's private,

(01:10:33):
it's confidential. We make it safe and there are various
ways that that's done, but some of them we can
talk about on Tuesday night. And of course we use
trained neutral mediators and some of those will be there
as well to talk to people. We believe from our

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experience that this is a less costly and difficult way
is settling your issues, whether it be about children, property support,
all those kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
So that's what we're trying to achieve, and it sounds
like a very helpful session. Insofar as the upside of
mediation versus going to court with your lawyer, outside of financial,
what would the upsides of mediation be.

Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
Well, for many people, the privacy is a big deal.
Privacy and contidenciality because this doesn't take place in a courtroom.
It takes place usually in a private office, boardroom with
the trained mediator who does this kind of work, and
so that is a big advantage, and there are many
things that are set in courtrooms, and I have lots

(01:11:46):
of experience so that in various roles that really you
don't want to be saying before a bunch of strangers.
It's hard enough to say it sometimes even in a
private setting. So that's one of the big things. It's
faster because because right now the courts are so overwhelmed.
I have experience in pretty well all the courts of

(01:12:06):
the province in one role or another, and they're all
doing as much as they can. They're working as hard
as they can, but the caseload is enormous. I mean,
thirty percent of Canadian marriages do not last, and that
means all these things had to be dealt with. But Patty,

(01:12:27):
there's another group too that's very important that we often
forget about, and that's about the parents who have children
but really don't have much history together. You don't have
to have history together to have a job, and so
they don't have a history of working things out. They
need help. So really what this is is we're talking

(01:12:48):
about a way of negotiating with a trained neutral person
helping you, but not necessarily inside court. So that's the advantage,
and we hope it will be less constantly the experience
of our mediators. We can talk about this on Tuesday Night,
the experience of our mediators if this is faster and
much less expensive than anything normally that happens in a

(01:13:12):
court book.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Dividing financial assets is one thing, and it can obviously
become quite contentious, but nothing quite like parental custody and
or parental visitation or arrangements, whatever the right word is.
So as so, insofar as mediation goes, how are things
regarding custody enforced? Because for many people they think in
their mind's eye that it needs court orders to ensure

(01:13:34):
and to dictate what the custody looks like, or what
parental visitation arrangements look like. So how would the mediator
ensure that something that comes out the end can be enforced?

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Adie.

Speaker 6 (01:13:45):
That's a great question. Under our court rules, any agreement
between the parties that's signed by them can be registered
with the court as a court order. You have to
go into the court at the end of the process
to do it. Not every situation does need a court order,
but you're quite correct there are some that are a

(01:14:07):
little more complex and perhaps there's a little less trust
where you want to have that court order, but the
agreement that you reach will be properly documented and then
can be registered as a cord order and enforceable.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
These are just things popping in my mind while we
talk Bill. What's the implication if indeed there's been some
history of violence that has led to the demise of
the partnership of the marriage.

Speaker 6 (01:14:35):
Yeah, well, that's why I mentioned the safety issue, because
that's extremely important. And what's developed is there's a series.
Part of the training of mediators is they use a
series of what they call screening measures, and this involves
an inquiry with the party, say it's a husband and wife.

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Usually that's done separately, so they are private media by
the mediator with one and then with the other, and
the mediator will go through various parts of a checklist
to see if this is a concern that either party has.
But one of the wonderful things about mediation these days, Patty,
is you can do it in separate rooms, you can

(01:15:18):
do it on the phone, you could do it online.
People do not have to be in the same space.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
This is happening.

Speaker 6 (01:15:25):
I know our colleagues in Ontario and we'll have one
of them with us Tuesday night. Who's working with us.
They do this routinely. They do mediations where the parties
are on screen, but they don't have to feel unsafe
by being in the same place. And this is one
way of avoiding that kind of either feeling intimidated or

(01:15:47):
actual intimidation. So we are very conscious of that and
the medias are trained in how to deal with it.
We want peaceful conflict, revolution, not anything.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Else emotional time of life. Obviously, when the marriage is
going to be dissolved, when I speak with my mediator,
can anyone else be in the room, Like, can I
have a friend or my brother or my sister or
any other support friends to be there with it? Because
some people it can be absolutely overwhelming.

Speaker 6 (01:16:18):
Well, certainly that's something that can be discussed. That's one
of the screening measures is to find out if the
person needs a support person. Now, one point on make
patting it is a very very important one. Mediation does
not mean that lawyers are not involved. Oh no, if
you think about it, people kind of need legal advice

(01:16:38):
to figure out the parameters of what kind of an
agreement they could reach. You know, what's my best outcome,
what's my worst outcome, that kind of thing, And so
we encourage people to get legal advice before they come
to a meeter, particularly if it evolve something complex that
you know, might be a bit overwhelming without that. And

(01:17:00):
even if people don't get the advice going in when
there is an agreement, it's standard practice to ask that
people go to get what we call independent legal advice
from a lawyer who will review the agreement, to discuss
with them how they feel about it, what the realities are,
and give them some advice on the pros and cons.

(01:17:22):
Maybe the lawyer will say it's perfect. Maybe the lawyer
will say, I think you should go back on this issue.
We don't know. That's a private thing. So one of
the sports is legal advice. Now, as regards having other
people in the room, again that's something that would be
discussed on both sides, because often that's a family member
and as you know, Patty, a support of As family

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members can be, they're not always helpful when the other
person's involved, and so case by case, most mediations do
just involve the parties talking to the mediator. But mediators
are not a posed to having lawyers in the room
as well to help. In fact, sometimes it can help

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a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
I'm sorry if it feels like I'm bouncing around because
my mind is just you know, actively participating in this conversation.
When we talk about custody and or visitation, do mediators
speak with the children separate from the parents to try
to understand the family dynamic.

Speaker 5 (01:18:21):
They can.

Speaker 6 (01:18:22):
Yes. Some of our mediators and a lot of them elsewhere,
have training in various programs which prepare them to talk
to children. Usually that's done with the consent of both parents,
because they say, this is a voluntary process. So the
extent to which you involve children, say teenagers, will vary

(01:18:45):
from case to case and from child to child, But
if the parents are agreeable, the mediators are trained to
do that. There's a program called Here the Child, which
originated elsewhere, but several of our mediators are trained in.
And that's exactly what's about. How do you get the
child's input in a way that's safe, respectful, confidential to

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the extent that it can be, and then allow that
in some way to come to the parties as a
factor in the mediation. You don't want to catch anybody
off guard. It's not a surprise thing. But obviously if
the children have something to say that's important, then it
may well be appropriate to bring that to the party's

(01:19:33):
in mediation. So yes, that can be done.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Bill, you mentioned people can avail of mediation virtually. Can
they also attend virtually this information session next week?

Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
Yes, yes, we have an available online and I can
give you a website, Petty, where people can go for
more details on that and to get the link. It's
a zoom link. Our organization is called FIDRIA, which stands
for Family Dispute Resolute an Institute Atlantic. It's a little
bit of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
A word to sell it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:04):
But www dot FDRIA dot ca. That's our website and
all the links there will bring you to that. Now,
if anyone wants to attend the public information session on
Tuesday night in person, we have about room for forty
to fifty people. They should register beforehand so they will

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have some idea of the numbers, and again that same
website will give them the link to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Bill, I appreciate making time for the program. Good look
with this what sounds to be a very helpful session.

Speaker 6 (01:20:37):
Yes, and Patty, we may have one of our mediators
actually calling in and speak with you if there's time
on Monday, talking a little bit more from the media's perspective,
how they approach it, because they're the hands on people.
I'm just part of the group promoting it, and so
that'll give a little more information for anyone's interest and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Just for your own background information. It's not like just
promoting this event. You actually have experience in this arena,
illegally and otherwise.

Speaker 6 (01:21:05):
Oh yes, yes, I say, between our board members alone,
there's probably a grand total of fifty, fifty or sixty
years of experience with both family law and mediation. We do,
by the way, Patty, we do have a public mediation
service in the problem. It's been around for a long
time called Family Justice Services, and it's free and it's

(01:21:29):
been used by very successfully by many many people. One
of the problems with this course it's a public service,
it's a bit over burdened. But secondly they don't deal
with all the issues. They deal with family support and
they deal with parenting, which are very important issues. They
don't deal with property and so that for many people

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is a serious issue they need to have settled.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Around the same time, Bill, I appreciate your time for
folks who are in trusted and their in and around town.
Please regster by going to fd R I A dot CA.
You'll get an email address there so you can confirm
your tenants. Is next Tuesday, February A part of me
November twenty fifth, seven pm to eight thirty pm at
the Hampton Hampton Inn onn Stabango Drive here in town. Bill,

(01:22:17):
thanks for your time.

Speaker 6 (01:22:18):
Thank you, Patty, appreciate it my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Okay, that could be very helpful because you know, if
you've ever known anybody involved in a divorce and the
lawyers are involved, it can be frustrating, lengthy and costly.
Let's get a break, don't go away, Welcome back to
the show. Just based on the conversation we just had
with Bill English talk about the family Mediation public information session,
a couple of people have called wondering what the website

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was because apparently I speak quickly. Okay, it is www
dot f d R I A dot C A, so
TRIPLEW dot f d R I A dot C. There
you go. Just keep going line number two, John, you're

(01:23:02):
on the air.

Speaker 15 (01:23:04):
Hello, Patty, I just wanted to give you a little
heads up and I just got a call there from
via rail actually saying that my bank heard was used
to purchase a ticket. So I figure it's got to
be a game, right And it's a local number by
the way.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Yeah, they've done a lot of real spoofing magic here
in the recent past, so they're just simply saying that
your bank guard was using What do they want you
to do? What's the prompter asking you do?

Speaker 15 (01:23:32):
You asked me to press one and give them a call.
Of course I didn't. I just hope and whatever right
right thing to do, so I thought i'd let you know.
It's a new one to me. I haven't heard that
one before.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
No, I'm new to the v rail scam story. But
I mean, just between myself and you and people listening
to the show. If it catches you off guard, and
it's got anything to do with your social source number,
anything that with your banking information, including your credit card number,
hang up. If it's a problem with your Visa or
your master Card, your American Express or with the Royal Bank,

(01:24:08):
hang up, call your your credit card company, call your
bank to verify that your account is okay. But never
give anybody anything over the phone and provoke.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
Just do not do it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
It's a scam.

Speaker 15 (01:24:19):
Okay, Patty, appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Thanks JOm, thank you, welcome, Bye bye. It's just relentless,
just not stop.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
I don't even know why we have a landline any longer.
But the only calls that ever ever come in on
that land line are we either pollsters or scammers. That's it.
That's the extent of landline action. I suppose I should
probably ditch it. Oh on that front, you know a
bunch of my pals who are more savvy than me.
They don't even have cable television anymore, or satellite services.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
What have you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
They strictly deal with streaming. It makes a lot of
sense to me, and I know some of the streaming opportunities.
But if you have some suggestion about how I my
family can maybe save some money and get away from
our current traditional setup regarding how we watch TV, and
it gets me access to the things that I actually
like to watch, then please do Hi. Let's go to

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line number one collar around the air.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Hello, Hi there, Hi Patty.

Speaker 6 (01:25:20):
Gentlemen, you we're talking to about the family dispute resolution week.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
You have a phone number?

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Four, I M I don't know if I have a
phone number. Let's see here. They don't give me a
phone number, but let me just pop in the website
and see if there's a phone number there. What kind
of questions do you have for him? I'm just curious,
grandparents writes, Oh, that's good question, all right. See contact
for this crowd is no, it doesn't give us a

(01:25:46):
phone number, period, It's simply an email address.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
Okay, could you give me the email address please?

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Sure, it's info I n fo I nfo at at
fdf r.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
A r IA dot C dot C.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Yep, thank you, thank you very much, Peddy, my pleasure,
all the best, Thank you you welcome, bye bye. That's
an interesting question, I suppose, and I really don't know
much about marriage is dissolving, but I do know there's
possibly a question there about visitation rights and parental and
grand parental arrangements that are probably part of a divorce.

(01:26:29):
So that's an interesting question. I never even thought of it,
to be honest with you, and I wish I had,
because there'll be plenty of people that are listening to
the program this morning that are parents of a son
or a daughter who's going through a divorce and are
wondering what their rights are insofar as access to their
grandchildren and it might be a very different relationship between
the parents and the kids versus the grandparents and the kids.

(01:26:52):
So that's a good one. I wish I had to
pose that to mister English. Well we had a chance.
But hopefully that particular caller gets the information required there.
And again it's coming up next Tuesday. They have to
hapten in on Stavanger Drive from seven to eight thirty.
So if you're so inclined, please do. If you want
to tend in person, they want you to email that
exactly email adjust. I just used to let them know

(01:27:13):
your comment they have They have possibly forty or fifty
seats available. But then there's also an opportunity to join
via zoom and you go to that same website to
get the zoom link there so that you can participate
from afar. If you're interested in or so inclined, let's
get a break in for the news. Don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Am welcome back to the program. Let's go to line
number three. You take it more to the Liberal member
for Water for Valley, the shadow critic for Transportation, Infrastructure
and probablic purero curement. That's Jamie Cora. Jamie, you're on the.

Speaker 7 (01:27:57):
Air, Sabe Petty, thanks me on today.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Happy to have you on today.

Speaker 14 (01:28:03):
Yes, one of a couple of quick things to chat about.
One's a twenty four hour snow clearing, and then I
want to touch on seniors as well, just right after
the start. I mean, I think the safety of new
from Landers laboratorians is a top priority for everyone that's
left in the House of Assembly. And I did want
to thank our operators sort of in that fantastic work
they do when people are told to stay after roads,

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they're the ones that are out clean of it so
making it clear. So I just wanted to mention that
just wanted to clear something up. I mean, contrary to
what Minister Pentton's comments were, we didn't cancel twenty four
hour snow clearing. There was twenty four hour snow clearing
from ten pm to five am. Staff were called in
so managers were constantly checking the weather to ensure that
staff were in the vehicles ready out clear and streets

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are solved, and when we have weather events. So just
on this three million dollar announcement, you know, I don't
believe it's going to deliver much more value, if any.
They're essentially doing what was already being done, but instead
of operators leaving their home to go to work, they're
leaving depot to go to work.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Isn't that difference though? So Well, if I'm in bed
and my pager goes off, for the phone goes off,
and have to get up, make my way to the depot,
warm up the machine, do the surround check, and then
get out on the road. Versus I'm at the depot,
I'm in my machine. I'm out doing snow clearing and
ice control actively twenty four to seven versus being called

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from home. Doesn't that make it a difference in and
of itself, Well.

Speaker 14 (01:29:25):
You're not doing you're not doing an active snow clearing
if there's no snow. And with the you know, advancements
in whether weather patterns and knowing what the weather is
going to be, the managers aren't calm staff and when
snow hits around, when it gets blow zero, you know,
they have the foresight to know what weather's coming. Yes,
weather can be unpredictable, but for the majority of that
time they have staff in those vehicles on the roads.

(01:29:47):
So you know, my point being is, you know, the
three million may get a little bit more, but are
we getting.

Speaker 7 (01:29:52):
Three million dollars worth of value?

Speaker 14 (01:29:54):
Because you know, one of the things that they had
in their in their costing, they had in their platform
they had this was good to be one point nine million,
but we now know costs three million, and that one
point nine million can only assume was taken from twenty sixteen.
So in their platform they said it was one point
nine million, but it's actually three So it to me
think's the question what else have they not cost it correctly?

(01:30:16):
So what other promises have they made that are under
budget that are going to cost taxpayers more? So you know,
when the minister says themselves, yes it was a neestmate.
Now they had the exact numbers, that's fair. But then
when we look online we see the doctored AI Facebook
posts that says there was new roads included, which I'm
not seeing which new roads are included, So which is
I can't tell if it's the updated numbers, the minister said,

(01:30:38):
or if it's the Facebook post said, so.

Speaker 7 (01:30:40):
I guess that will connote more.

Speaker 14 (01:30:43):
And just lastly on that Patty, you know, the PC's
election slogan was for all of us, and they're using
that nell in government, which I mean they certainly can.
It's surprising, but you know they're free to do that.
But nonetheless for all of us. They said they were
bringing back twenty four hour snow clearing, and they made
those promises at the doors during the campaign. But there
they say they're bringing back the fourteen roots, but they're not.

(01:31:03):
These were already being done of the three hundred and
ninety two snow roots that are in New Plant, Labrador,
so that's about less than four percent. That doesn't sound
like for all of us to me, And I've got
to chat with some of my MHA colleagues. You know,
Route three sixty in a Betas Fair Highway not included
Route two twenty beer in peninsula. You know, it's the
only access to the peninsula. They will promise that at

(01:31:23):
the door, not included, no mention of Labrador or Soapas
Coast Nanagara Peninsula. So it's it's just you know, I
applied them for they're for trying to do more. But
if we're going to spend three million dollars more, let's
add new routes. Let's let's do something different, not do
what we're currently doing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
I mean, the questions will inevitably be asked about what
routes are not covered. I don't know, and nor was
it announced as if this is phase one or step
one or what have you. And I'll leave it up
to the general public as whether or not they think
that this will enhance ice control and snow clearing operations.
And just I guess not the quibble or maybe it
is the quibble norms asking that the plow beyond the

(01:32:01):
ground if there's no snow on it, right, No one
suggests we put salt and sand down if it's plus.

Speaker 14 (01:32:05):
Five, right yeah, so yeah, no, I agree, But it's
you know, we're we're spending that, you know, that three
million dollars to basically do what we're already doing. So,
you know, I'm not sure what I think. It's great
that you know we're looking to harm more operators.

Speaker 7 (01:32:21):
We need that, you know.

Speaker 14 (01:32:22):
Jerry Earl from Date said, you know, recruitment of retention
is a challenge you know these operators. Certainly the mechanics
are used over multiple sectors, so it's that's going to
be a real challenge to get these people in.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
I don't think anyone disputes the challenges with hiring, but
I'm not so sure there's an industry or a facet
of life where people aren't experiencing challenges and hiring, from
tech to healthcare, to education to heavy equipment operators and
up and down the line. I think that's an understood
amongst the Jenner Fredrick certainly. I've mentioned it several times here.
And it's not just ready to pay and competitiveness. It's
also about seasonal work. Now, I would like to know

(01:32:56):
a breakdown of these fifty new operators. How many would
be permanent for time so consequently have some summertime work,
or how many are simply part time operators to be
hard for the winter season. I don't know, but there
is apparently a breakdown.

Speaker 14 (01:33:07):
No exactly, yeah, no, And you know, there's more details
to come. So it is a lacks of a bit
of details, but I understand you've got to get the
announcement out, You've got to get these people hard, so
and you know, look, you know, I'll give the conservatives,
provincial conservatives, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Time and room.

Speaker 14 (01:33:23):
You know, they've they've got to learn the departments and
get their feet under but under them, I should say,
But if they're going to make these announcements, let's make
announcement center impactful and let's let's spend the taxpayers money wisely.
And again, I just want before we go, I want
to mention just the just bit the seniors. So Seniors
Avacate released a report November twenty, just recently comprehensive you know,

(01:33:45):
profile on the well being of senior's newfoundlabrator work. I believe,
over a hundred page document with some of the positive findings.
They did say that at eighty eight percent of seniors
report satisfaction with their laws and eighty four percent feel
connected to their communities, which is great. You know, for
the last ten years, you know, are liberal government had
a number of impactful, successful programs. You know, we're waiting
to learn and hear back from the you know, the

(01:34:06):
PC government. Again, I you know, give them some breathing room,
but you know, we need to know what programs they're
going to do or even build upon our programs. You
can can they can call it the PC Helping Seniors Program.
I don't care what they call it. But you know,
we had a couple in particular, a couple of things
we did, you know, creating the Dedicated Department for Seniors, UH,
the Seniors Well Being Planned, which included aging Will at

(01:34:27):
Home grant, the Caregivers Benefit UH. And we had the
home Provincial home Repair program and modification program. But the
one I wanted to zone in on particularly here was
the Aging Will at Home grant. So that was four
hundred dollars that seniors that qualified could get for a
number of things. It could be taxi cabs, the places,
help with cleaning, law, maintenance, you know, number of things
could use for. So four dollars doesn't sound like a

(01:34:49):
lot to some, but I can tell you that these
seniors and all certainly in my district, it was massive,
and we did it during the campaign say we would
increase it to eight hundred. So that's one I I'm
you know, I'm calling on the Minister Seniors to now,
you know, take an immediate action. We've heard from these seniors.
I mean, you know, there hasn't been I don't think
a day Patty and your show for the last you know, decade,

(01:35:10):
certainly the last few years where seniors haven't come up
the cost of living. We all know that I don't
need to repeat that, so you know, I'd really like
to see the Minister Senior step up here, get these
grants out again, use the ones we had, call it
something different, whatever you want to do, but we've got
senior struggling and we need action now and that one
Hill's assembly opens the next month or next year.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Appreciate the time this morning, Jamie.

Speaker 14 (01:35:33):
Thanks for doing it perfect, all right, thanks for having me,
take care.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Welcome, bye, bye, Look I mean again, Oh look, I
just notice of the corner of my eye Barry Patten's
and the queue and who's the Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure.
So if anything has pragmatically changed with the amount of
ice control and snow clearing, that will happen twenty four
to seven versus the assertion for mister Karab that nothing

(01:35:56):
has changed. We let mister Patten speak to it. And
this is not some sort of oh here's a inside
baseball heads up to the minister. Because I just said
it out loud anyway, I'm sure you heard it. When
we talk about the fifty new operators to be hard
or part of me fifty additional operators to be hard.
There is apparently some sort of breakdown between part time
and full time. Those numbers would be interesting to know.

(01:36:18):
And what that three million dollars actually covers in full?
Is something else that we need to know in addition
to that is fourteen roots? Okay, but people have told
me about a variety of bears where they live that
are not covered by it. Are we looking at phases
of introducing it to more and more parts of the province?
If when, what does that schedule look like we're talking
year over year or what is the plan there? So

(01:36:41):
let's get a break and when we come back, plenty
show left for you. Don't away. Welcome back to the show.
Let's go to line number two. Rob, you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
Good morning, Kelly.

Speaker 15 (01:36:49):
How are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Great? Today?

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
You?

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
Oh, not so bad?

Speaker 9 (01:36:52):
It's Friday. I spose I just want to give the
government a total thumbs down on their process of how
you go about anywhere doing anything in government because half
the numbers you can't get a hold of anybody. They
say you have to send an email. I'm not an

(01:37:13):
email type person. I know how to send an email.
I'm not that dumb, but I've I had an indiscretion
with the courts or with the law, and I had
my license suspended.

Speaker 7 (01:37:30):
And I've been.

Speaker 9 (01:37:31):
Swimming in the last two weeks trying to get through
to the Driver's License to get my driver's license reinstated.
And I spent the better part of ten and a
half hours on hold, mostly going through these places, and

(01:37:53):
I got to call. I called yesterday again and they
told me, oh, yeah, I know, you got to send
an email to one of the departments. I said, well,
can I call them? And they said, no, they don't
have a phone number. You have to send them an email.
So you can't actually talk to anybody in certain departments.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
And I think this is.

Speaker 9 (01:38:16):
Absolutely ludicrous, especially for you know, most people around They
just want to talk to somebody for a second and
it's not going to take you know. Like I said,
I've spent a good day and a half just on
hold pretty much, and I just think it's ludicrous that

(01:38:38):
the government thinks that they're servicing people better by putting
out this BS.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Okay, do you need an email address or something for
the Department Motor Vehicles?

Speaker 9 (01:38:53):
Oh no, I finally got it. Okay, I finally got it,
you know, but what she told me yesterday was that
I should have been told this on the first day
that I called in, and they did not. They just
left me on hold for, like I said, two and
a half days, for various amounts of time, you know,

(01:39:16):
so you know, nobody else's times matter. You know, they're
just doing what they do. And it's just as it's
really frustrating to think that the government is doing better
by you know, they're cutting services and stuff like that,
and it's only going to get worse.

Speaker 7 (01:39:38):
And it's just.

Speaker 9 (01:39:39):
Absolute yes that you know that the government thinks they're
doing people better by sending them off to an email
registration where I still have not got a call back.
I sent an email out and and still no callback,
still no message back or no nothing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
I mean, getting to speak with anybody at most levels
of government and most levels of corporate Canada is extremely frustrating.
There's a couple of companies and there's a couple of things.
I don't understand their strategy here. If your customer service
is excellent, if people have an easier time to speak
with a human being, what do you think the likelihood

(01:40:22):
is more people coming to that company to get avail
of their services. What do you think the opportunity is
to retain your customers if they have a good customer
service experience. Because the services themselves, let's just say telecoms
for example, the service itself is very very similar insofar
as what you get and how much you pay. But
customer service differences make a huge difference in how companies operate,

(01:40:44):
how many new clients that have come on board, and
how many people stay with them long term.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
Oh no, absolutely.

Speaker 9 (01:40:50):
Like I've had other you know, with Hydro and stuff
like that here, Like you know, they kind of pull
off here putting new poll up and everything like that,
And I've got line is hanging out all over the
place and they're flopping in the wind and you can't
get a hold of anybody. And I actually called Hydro
and they said you can't get a hold of them
because it takes too long. It's just but my biggest

(01:41:12):
concern was with DMV here because they the left hand
doesn't know what the right hand's doing, and the government
can't even tie those shoelaces to make this work better. So,
you know, how are we supposed to be happy and
like so dealing with the DMV. So I'm assuming that's

(01:41:35):
why there's such a rise on you know, non registration,
you know, people driving with their license properly and stuff
like that. You know, it's just totally frustrating that I
went a year and a half on this and still
no joy. It's just totally frustrated.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Generally speaking, is and nonfarceally feels like it always will be.
But such is the nature of the behemoths that our government.
Anything else before I take another call Robs, No, no,
I'll leave it up that.

Speaker 9 (01:42:06):
I don't want to carry on too long. I know
you've got another important speaker coming on, so you take
care and have a great weekend you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Too, and your call is important as well. Don't forget that. Okay,
thank you very much, Patty, Thanks Rob all the best. Okay, okay, bye,
let's good line of four thanking more to the PC
member for CBS, the Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure, Barry Petton.
Minister Patton, you're on the air.

Speaker 16 (01:42:29):
Hey, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
How are you doing? Okay? How about you?

Speaker 16 (01:42:32):
I'm good, Thanks, Patty. I just wanted to Collie and
I know there's been a fair bit of conversation about
the reintroduction twenty fours all hearing and I just heard
Amy K Correy Ivan as well, and Amy K Loveless
has been out on it as well, and many of
the public indis fair game. I mean, they get a
job due too, and the public concerns. I just I

(01:42:54):
think what I needed to reiterate, and I've heard some
of the concerns. I when I said it was a
reintroduction that was canceled in twenty sixteen. So basically, if
we and it was based on then that study, those
roots are based on the study that was on two
thousand and nine. Now I could have took the winter
and reviewed that two thousand and nine report, and I
got more work done obviously up to date, worked on

(01:43:15):
and probably added to the list or added to the
you know, the twenty sixteen list and what have you.
But we wouldn't have had the opportunity to implement.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Twenty four sol claring this year.

Speaker 16 (01:43:24):
So a figur best decision we discussed it was to
use twenty sixteens list as a starting point bal on
that list. And we've always made it clear of many times,
several times publicly and I'll make it a clear again,
this is not the final list. This is this is
where we're starting to We're going to add to that
list we need. It's kind of like a test runt
to Patty. You know, we gotta get this. We gotta
staffed up, we got equipment, we got you know, solve

(01:43:47):
purchases that are in place now, but they're kind of
knocking the kings out. And next year we're planning on
adding to that list in the meantime, so those people
are looking for the roots added.

Speaker 8 (01:43:56):
There's no that this is not a final list.

Speaker 16 (01:43:59):
Next year they may will be at it. But in
the event you hear some people looking at first responders
and nameless and what I have you. We will provide
escorts and from ten to four in the morning, if
need be, plows will be called out. And countrary to
what the m a K Core have said, that come
that that comparison to have been sitting at home, sitting
in deepot just makes no sense whatsoever. You got lapatom

(01:44:20):
people getting in plush. You're not calling into the six
centimeters is on the ground and they don't call me.
And when the first lake it's the six centimeters because
I mean unless you have a storm coming, which is
different altogether. So people in those areas are looking for coverage,
they will still like, we'll still call people in when
the need arises, and if you need an escort, that
will be provided as well. So our old goal was

(01:44:42):
busy roads and Patty. This was driven for a lot
about what we heard at the doors.

Speaker 10 (01:44:46):
People were concerned.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
That was one issue.

Speaker 16 (01:44:48):
That issue ever really went away, and it was when
it was caught into our bigger Safer Communities initiative on
one of our planks, and it was you know, when
I announced that the I think it was a great
announcement and I most people are generally happy about it,
and you can't go wrong. I mean, you know, I'll
take all the criticism in the world. I mean, it's
making a road safer for people to drive on the
winter time and the people are just criticism for that, well,

(01:45:10):
I'll take it, no problem.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
I get no issue whatsoever, okay, Minister. So the assertion
is nothing's changed for the additional expenditure that are already
covering those fourteen roads twenty four to seven or whatever hours.
I was described by Jamie Koorab so speak directly to that.
What is the distinct difference is as I couched it,
it's different for someone to be at the depot or
in the plow or in the salt truck first to
be at home and have to be called in. Is

(01:45:32):
it any different than that?

Speaker 16 (01:45:35):
No, Actually, Patty, I listened to your commentary, and you're
pretty well, dear, you're pretty well bang on. Like when
you're when you're in the depot and a certain snow
and you're calling immediately. There's no washboard effect. The snow
is not sticking to the roads, and it's not beaten
up by other trafficking over the roads. You're getting they're
ready to row and up the door. If you're at home,
you're probably in bit.

Speaker 7 (01:45:52):
You gotta get up.

Speaker 16 (01:45:53):
You got to go, you know, get drists on. Whatever
you got clean to be your cloud, you gotta draw
it to the depot. You have thirty trucks up that
takes the least and you just self starting up and go.
You gott to warm them up. You got to make
sure they're cleaned up with snow. It's I always said
it's roughly a two hour laps on And Patty's not
me saying I talked to many operators out there, and
they all they told me this, and as you may
recall me and you had this debate over the years

(01:46:14):
ago when it was canceled, and I was I was
dead set against it back then. And I mean, I mean,
so you're basically a lot. You're based on facts of
tossile and our staff are well well versed on this
stuff too, and so we all generally feel the same.

Speaker 6 (01:46:27):
It's going to definitely improve the safety on our roads.

Speaker 16 (01:46:30):
And the one thing I want to add too, when
you're clearing off the main arteries Thrench, you're doing Edittering
Road and you're doing this busy arteries veterans and veterans
and manuals axes, what have you. If they're up to
scratch when the crew comes on four o'clock in the morning,
because ten to four right now is no one there.
They're on our tops. They won't have to go back
into Edtering Road. They can go on country on other
roads that were not clear to tonight. So this will

(01:46:51):
elp overall. We'll see you an improvement and the snow
clearing operations, even on the roads and not in the
fourteen business routes. This will help overall we'll see a
bigger improvement or our sulfwair operations throught the province and
like say, we'll expand upon this. I mean ultimately, I
mean we should have so you know, everyone should have
safe road to drive on ether if you're not on
this list, I mean, I think I'm a big supporter
of it, and that's my commitment.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
Minister Petton, do you have time to be put on
hold taking newsbreak because I have a few more questions? Yeah, sure, Petty, Okay,
let's do that, Minister Petton on whol news time. Then
we'll speak with Minister Petton and then robertson the que
and then whatever you want to talk about, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Aware the tim Power Show during the conversation weekday afternoons
at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Welcome back. Let's enjoin Minister Patton on four Minister, you're
back on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Hey, Petty.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
So inside the fifty new operators, I think everyone concedes
that it is going to be a task to fill
all fifty positions. What's the breakdown of permanent full time
versus seasonal.

Speaker 16 (01:47:51):
At twenty five FARNA full time twenty five seasonal. I'm
telling you, I just want to add to that, we've
gotten the we've gotten a great up taking applications actually
and very pleased and we're encouraging people to continue to apply.
But it's been very encouraging. I mean, I know people
were wondering about that as well, and be honest with you,
I wondered as well. If you don't know, really put
it out there. But so far, so good, and hopefully

(01:48:14):
Richard screening, we'll be able to get a lot of
operators on the road. So it's very very encouraging.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
So inside the fleet of I think it's five hundred
and fifty one loaders and plows. Will that be enough
to satisfy the twenty four to seven play that you're proposing.

Speaker 16 (01:48:29):
Yeah, right now, we think we get Apple equipment on
being able to do that road, do those roads, and
there's something that we're adding on to a western Newfland.
The previous twenty sixteen plan call for twenty four hour
snow clearing five days a week. We're expending at the
seven so all routes will be getting the twenty four
to seven, which is the reason why we need the
extra part on people to fill the gap and something

(01:48:51):
else can cost too pad I know people asked about that.
I'll fill that in for you too. Solve this triple
in price with the M plus with the extra extra
staff in acquired moving to five to seven plus wages
as recent twenty sixteen, because it was based on twenty
sixteen dollars and the overtime rates and that it was
a bit of fine tuning at that had to occur,
and that's where the extra extra costs come in come

(01:49:14):
into play.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
As so far as public safety for the motoring public,
you know, part of it is of course snow clearing
and ice control, but it's also cell phone coverage. So
I mean, if I'm in an emergency situation and I'm
down to the bream peninsul with zero bars on my
cell phone, that means that I can't even available emergency services,
nor can I call the depot about some weather condition.
So what's the plan to add to snow clearing or

(01:49:37):
winter maintenance operations with improved self service because they do
have a relationship.

Speaker 16 (01:49:44):
Yeah, no, I mean that's a question, that's a that's
a good point and the point that gets across the
province and we've we and we always talk about the
coverage cell phone coverage I think Patty Rachel, I live
the CBS. Yeah, I is my own, my own community,
So I think I think that you know, it's i'll
go hand in hand and it's a very valid point.
And we use a one app as well, of course

(01:50:07):
for people who don't play a road conditions, but you
get no coverage, can you al coming access acoming you
access that? Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
As his cell phone breaks up.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
Yeah. Uh. In addition to that, you know, people can
talk about the speed cameras and I'd like to have
the results of how many tickets were issued this year
had what value monetarily speaking, But it's also the number
of vehicles on the road that do not belong on
the road. They're not road safe, they're not roadworthy. People
will refer to mandatory inspections at whatever one hundred thousand
k or x number of years as a cash grab,

(01:50:44):
but there's also a public safety component your thoughts on
inspections vehicles because if I drive phone today, I'll bet
my check I drive by at least one or two
that you could just buy eyebottom know that they do
not belong on the road.

Speaker 16 (01:50:58):
Yeah, that's you know, that's a that's a really interesting
point to you. It's got true a lot of people
that don't know. But my father was mechanic is past
way now, but had his own gradu in later years.
And I as a problem personal of always conspections were
a good thing, and you know, they were phasing it
over the years. And it's a debate that comes up

(01:51:18):
many times, and there's one that I have no problem
having with my own colleagues. I think that I personally
believe I tend to agree with what you're saying. What
kind of process to be involved to bringing sections back
is a good point? Do you have them after five
years because right now it is only on the sale
of the vehicle if I'm not mistaken, and the sense
and you know otherwise, I mean, we could probably look

(01:51:39):
at tighten those rules because your point is a very
good point. Actually, so many vehicles should be on the
road now. I can't argue that point. Actually, you know,
I tend agree.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
I appreciate the time this morning, anything else you like
that while we let you go before we let.

Speaker 16 (01:51:51):
Go, Oh no, no, if Henny, I just wanted to
from some clarity on the issue today and if anyone
you know, if you the excerns. I always available to
want any courter conversation, reach out anytime.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Very last one. So you say this is phase one,
So is that is there a projected addition phase two
for next winter? Is that something that's been crafted.

Speaker 16 (01:52:14):
Not yet where we get staff now going doing reviewing
our roots over the winter and traffic volumes and what
have you. Well, I will almost without certainly, you know,
I'm pretty certain that we will be adding to that
list next year. But this is you know, we're working.
Hopefully we'll get you to the kings this year, but
I'm expecting next year we'll do that list will expand
and we'll fix in years or any problems we had
this year, hopefully will work on it, then repond it,

(01:52:35):
then improved for next winter.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
With the forty four new plows being ordered, how quick
can they be delivered? Because we talked about things like
water bombers, you're looking at a decade before you get
a water bomber. How about a snowplow.

Speaker 16 (01:52:45):
Yeah, we're getting most of them out. We've got, if
not all of them, pretty well ready to roll this year.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
So it's good action.

Speaker 16 (01:52:50):
One I don't announce to today with the Foxship people
and there was new clouds beyond me. So we're you know,
we're very optimistic. We're going to have a decent fleet
this year. And we're also like everything, we'll look for
mechanics as everyone else. There seems like abe equipment technations.
So if any every equipment technicians are listening, you should
a fly with into because it's a demand for those
positions as well.

Speaker 8 (01:53:10):
Within government.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
Is the current fleet of five hundred and fifty one
ready to roll right now? Or how how far down
the process are they have caliboration?

Speaker 16 (01:53:17):
Well, we're we're looking at I think we're seventy seventy
five percent, which is more than enough to run. And
that's where that will increase obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
So we've got cording officials.

Speaker 16 (01:53:27):
I've been so I've been briefed on We're we're we're
we're more than ready to roll and get you know,
get on the roads. Approvide safe, sharp.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
Traditions, Appreciate the time, mister Petting, thank you.

Speaker 16 (01:53:37):
Okay, Patty, take care k.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
Too, boydebye. Let's keep prom here. Let's go to a
line number three. Robert, you're on the airy warning to you,
how are you? I'm okay? How about how about yourself.

Speaker 7 (01:53:52):
A long journly read were in Homer.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
Well, I don't know if that countitute is better, but
any who, what's on your mind?

Speaker 7 (01:54:02):
Well, I got my home there the other day, and
I know I was that U nine one one. I
got the character for that O. I don't know that
it was free. No, it was not that I go
about it round me. I just said figured I was

(01:54:25):
going up and see who knew anything about it?

Speaker 16 (01:54:31):
Not that I know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
I mean, I don't think I've ever got charge, although
I can't remember last time I called nine on one,
but in this problems there's not supposed to be any
charge for calling nine on one.

Speaker 7 (01:54:43):
No, I never ever call it is now, I just
like my total was, sir, like what I owed? We'll
say what I got to pay this month? And then
right on reading. And there was nine one one, and
there was not in there argue about or running other,

(01:55:05):
complain about it running the other. But I just wanted
to find I would look who was I got out
of a tree.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Let's see here. Okay, So apparently there's a monthly fee
of seventy five cents. Hello range, Yeah, that's I got
a charge with Yeah, and I think that's all because
of the move towards enhanced nine one on one service
province wide. So I think maybe there is a seventy

(01:55:39):
five cent fee at this point. I think there is
a seventy five cent fee, and that's not for calling
on nine one one. That's what we're all paying to
expand whether I think they call enhance nine on one service, Yeah, okay,
I just want to know, no problem. I appreciate the time.
Anything else you want to talk about. Yeah, you, good day,

(01:56:00):
youtubeal all the best, Okay, okay, thank you very much.
You're welcome. Bye bye. Yeah, so part of that's the thing.
All right, final checking on the Twitter box for me today. Anyway,
we're viocim up online. You know what to do, and
just that reminder. Over the course of the weekend, I
don't do a whole lot of doom scrolling on social media.
I'm usually pretty good with getting back to people with

(01:56:21):
direct messages.

Speaker 6 (01:56:22):
And what have you.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
So whether it be on Facebook and or on Twitter,
over the course of the weekend, it's maybe unlikely that
you hear back from me and apologies in advance. All right, here,
final break in the morning. But today is a good
day for you to have the final word if you're
in and around town seven zero nine two seven three
five two one one elsewhere a total free long distance
one eight eight eight five ninety vosem, which is eighty

(01:56:43):
six twenty six. We're taking a break and then we're
coming back. Welcome back to the program. A pretty popular
email since speaking with Minister Patton was why didn't I
ask about why this route is left out, why that
route is left out? Because that could have been the
entire conversation, you know, whether it be Bavor Peninsula, Bura Peninsula,
Great North Peninsula, Translaborator Highway. I mean to satisfy and

(01:57:03):
understandably concern residents who have questions about why the area
has been left out of this current twenty four to
seven fourteen rout proposal. I was tempted to ask it,
but then the jeopardy for me is if I don't
cover every single area for every single listener and every
single resident, then probably go nowhere. The formerly that was applied,
and that says has said the Minister both in the

(01:57:24):
announcement out in Fox Trap and I think reiterated today,
is the roots were decided upon based on traffic volume.
So I suppose inside the fourteen roots, maybe they have
proven to be based on whatever traffic flow analysis, that
they are the busiest. That's not to say that less
busy roots are undeserving of twenty four to seven snow clarking.

(01:57:44):
I would never suggest that because I don't believe that,
so I wouldn't say it. And the question about mandatory inspections,
I brought this up repeatedly over the years, and I'm like, cute,
I'm torn. If it indeed turns into and feels like
and smells like a cash grab, then nobody's interested in
supporting government public policy that is in essence of tax
scrab people prefer to things like what's an example, sugar tax? Right,

(01:58:09):
And it didn't really change behaviors necessarily with the inspection
bit though, like there's a reason why we have regular
inspections of school buses and heavy equipment or what now
because it's a public safety issue. And I'm not so
sure I'd be the only one driving around, whether it
be on the Northeast Avalan or anyone of the province
that just by eyeballing a vehicle you can tell it

(01:58:31):
doesn't belong on the road, it's not roadworthy. It's simply
not safe. So I guess we have to do with
the benefit or the cost benefit analysis of if I
have to pay for an inspection because my vehicle is
X number of yers old or has x number of
kilometers on it, how do we weigh that against the
possibility for this not safe, not roadworthy vehicle to be

(01:58:52):
out on the roads. And maybe because of the unsafe
condition of the vehicle is involved in the collision, simply
because of the nature of the vehicle, the brakes are shot,
they're going around on blowney skin tires, whatever the case
may be. Because you see it as much as I do.
I mean, you can have some spots of rust and
maybe a ragged looking muffler or bumper doesn't mean you're

(01:59:16):
not roadworthy. But I mean, we've heard the stories. Remember
back there was a guy who went to the Canadian
Tire around Clarenville to get an oil change and left,
and unbeknownst to him, the metal screws used to put
back on one of these protective plates was not in place.
So what was he driving around with plastics zip ties
to hold it on? Now, that's maybe not an excellent
example of a road or not roadworthy car, but the

(01:59:38):
vehicle pretty much in essence, fell apart under very little travel,
couldn't get it up to highway speed. The vibration was unbelievable,
so that car should not be on the road. If
you look at a car that may indeed be old,
doesn't mean that it's not roadworthy. So I get a
lot of pretty heavy swats when we bring up that
potential for inspections. But I guess that's the question. Do

(01:59:58):
we become safe around the road because the vehicle that
does not belong in the road is taken off of
the road. I don't know. I'll leave it up to you,
but you know I'm leaning towards I'd rather be safe
than have to suffer coming out of pocket for inspection,
if indeed I keep a vehicle long enough that requires
a set inspection. Rob's call about the inability to speak
with somebody directly is a good one. You know. Even

(02:00:21):
if we talk about at the federal level, and we
see the proposed job cuts through attrition and otherwise to
see some sixteen thousand jobs minimum loss over the course
of the next three years, the question there is with
the population growth and with the federal public sectoral growth
the public sectoral group not commensurate way more than the
population group. Did service improved, I would suggest Canadians would think, no,

(02:00:46):
they didn't improve. I mean, even look at some of
the real heavily populated departments like CRA, it's becoming more
and more difficult to speak with somebody the way times
are extraordinary, and even when you get in touch with
someone at CIRA, based on their own in terms audit
and worked on by the Auditor General Karen Hogan, there
was a significant percentage of people that got misinformation directly

(02:01:07):
from the source. So no one wants to see anyone
lose their job necessarily, but we have to have a
legitimate question as to whether or not adding onto the
public sector has seen services improve commensurate with the amount
of money spent, and I don't think that's necessarily the case. Then,
with the inability to get someone answer to the phone,
I'm not even exactly sure why that is, you know,

(02:01:28):
is it long term even subconscious decisions about you know,
counter service will at some point in large party a
thing of the past. We'll be doing our business and
our communication online with government. It really feels like that's
where we're going. I mean the digitization of government services
is already pretty prevalent in society, so it kind of
feels like that is exactly what's going on, and it

(02:01:50):
can't be frustrating. Sure, then you bring it to the
conversation or speaking with someone at the corporate level. Some
companies do a way better job than others. And then
you know, we hear people make reference to I would
speaking with so and so on the phone representing whatever company,
and you could tell they weren't from here, And then
we blame that communication on the lack of training or

(02:02:12):
understanding of English and the person he spoke with, as
opposed to pointing the finger of blame at concern at
the corporation that moved the jobs offshore. For me, that's
where the blame lies. Any concern lies exactly right there
with the company. They made the conscientious decision for the
sake of saving money to offshore those jobs. But we

(02:02:33):
generally have it as a finger point to blame at
the person you were speaking with. They got hired to
do the best they could with whatever training, whether it
be haphazard or otherwise, but it's the company they did it.
The company put that circumstance into play. They made the decision,
So I guess sometimes understanding exactly who should be to
blame is probably a pretty important part. Got a few

(02:02:56):
notes about you know why we're not talking about what's
happening now. There's lots of wild stuff happened in Alberta,
and we're happy to talk about it. In the broad
scheme of things, the way that governments are willing and
wanting to use and now with standing clause is becoming problematic.
You know, you talk about democracy and freedom and all
the other rally cries that people offer. The use of

(02:03:19):
not with standing claus is becoming very, very commonplace. It's
not designed to be that at all. It's not there
to share to keep government scrutiny at bay. That's not
how we should be accepting the use of it not
with standing clause, whether that be with legislative teachers back
to work in Alberta using them notwithstanding clause. So there's

(02:03:40):
no opportunity for an appeal at the courts over the
course of the contract, which in this case is four years.
Is that really how we want governments to operate? You know,
at one point we're told that so and so is
a dictator, so and so is an authoritarian, and we
don't apply the same descriptors just because it might be
the party that you promote. I mean, I think we're
going to be honest with each other. Not with Sandy Claus,

(02:04:02):
mergency measurers, act, all those things. We should measure each party,
each politician with the same metrics as opposed to well,
I kind of agree with them. So it's okay, because
we know how the world works. At some point, governments
will change hands, the politicians will be different. You might
not align with what they propose or their policy. But
if we allow all of a sudden, the fairly frivolous

(02:04:24):
use of not with Sandy Clause, eventually, in short order
it's going to be something you completely disagree with. So
it can't be about party. It can't be about just
whether or not you think that piece of legislation is
something that you like, because eventually another government is going
to protect that legislation with not with Sandy Claus, and
you don't like it, and then you'll have a completely
different stance on it. So this is not about the

(02:04:46):
liberals or the Conservatives, or the Dippers or anybody else.
This is about a very infrequently used potential that's available
through the Charter. But let's be real here, just because
you like the policy that's being predicted by the clause
doesn't mean that somewhere in the future they'll use it
for the exact opposite reason and you'll be furious. So

(02:05:06):
I think we should be a little bit more vocal
about how politicians and different parties are using notwithstanding, because
I think in our collective long term best interest, it's
probably good to clamp that down a little bit. Also,
people wonder why not talk about pipelines, Well, there is
no pipeline being proposed in this in this country as
of now. You hear Premier David Ebey from British Columbia

(02:05:27):
in the news and he's furious. He found out via
the media that there's actually ongoing talks between Premier Scott
mo and Saskatchewan Premier Daniel Smith and Alberta and apparently
some agreement in principle with the Prime Minister about an
oil pipeline that will flow into northern BC. You would think,

(02:05:48):
based on all the obvious authority and jurisdictional authority, that
if they're going to talk about a pipeline that goes
to BC's north Coast that including the Prime Minister of
British Columbia might be a required partner because there's a
lot to that. Let's check it out on Twitter for
the final time of the day and the final time
of the week. Oh, this fellow is on hold, got

(02:06:08):
cut off? Can I wish Gertie Mullins a happy eightieth
birthday today? The kids call her nan Nan, so happy
birthday to Nan Nan. Gerdie Mullins, Hope you have a
great day today celebrating your idioth and hopefully a chance
to spend some time with your family, especially your grandchildren.
Final check on the email. She's a former employee here,
Gertie Mullins. Oh oh, I remember the name. Now, that's

(02:06:31):
kind of before my time. Gerdie Mullins, former employee at VOCEM.
Fantastic stuff. Gertie, Hope you have a great weekend. Email
address open ONAFIOSM dot com, which I won't be checking
over the weekend. Other all right, good show today, big
thanks to all hands. We will indeed pick up this
conversation again on Monday morning right here on VOCM and
big landfm's Open Line on behalf of the producer David
Williams I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun,
happy day. We'll talk Monday. Bye bye

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