Friday Nov 28th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line Call seven oh nine two
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Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right then, good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Friday, November
the twenty eighth. This is open Line. I'm your host,
Patty Daily, David Williams. He's produced the command with an edition,
so if you're in the Saint John's metro region, the
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eight eight five ninety VOCEM, which is eighty six twenty
six right off the bat, big thanks to Linda Swayin
for sitting in for me yesterday. I just felt miserable
and not so much better today. Anyway, Let's keep coming.
Belated Happy Thanksgiving to our American friends man Americans actually
living here in the province obviously, and apparently there some
forty five million turkeys were consumed yesterday by the Americans.

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And I know times are tense for some Canadians and
some Americans, but happy Thanksgiving to you. I was disappointed
to see Team Goodseho knocked out of the Olympic Trials
because the end is near for Brad Goodseho. Don't know
what the future host from Mark Nichols and the rest
of the team Bocher and Walker, but we still got
some pretty good teams while fighting it out for the
Olympic berth. On the men's side Jacobs and Dunstone, two

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of the very best rinks in the world, and the
women's side Rachel Holman and local Team blackthrough Halifax based
team So still got some pretty great curlers out there.
They're sticking to some bigger issues. The latest report coming
from End Homess to Saint John's about the number of
homeless people here in the city. And this only captures
you would imagine a fraction of people who are either
homeless or precariously housed or check away from being homeless.

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All right, let's get into it. Over the last three years,
the rate of homelesses and town has tripled, tripled. So
here comes the winter months, so this is obviously concerning
for their own safety, for public safety as well. So
you know, they capture a number that has some four
hundred and seventy five people in this province are in
this city, part of me experienced this homelessness and during
the month of September, sixty seven percent of those were

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classified as chronically homeless, meaning they've been on house for
an average six months or over the last year, or
eighteen months over the last three years. It's the bare
minimum mess of it. You know, I see a tweet
coming from the Prime Ministry yesterday about build Canada homes
using Canadian technology, in Canadian lumber and the rest of it.
Let's get at it. I mean, this homelessness issue across
the country is really getting out of control. And just remember,

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you know, I'll hear people tell me constantly that, well,
it's maybe their own fault that they're homeless. Well, there
might be a moticum of truth to that, but for
the vast majority of people, there's there's contributing and complex
issues that have led to them being homeless. It comes
with a huge cost of society. I suppose you may
be worn out here and put and I'm worn out
saying it, but if you talk about the cost to

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have people actually housed and what that means is one
of the key determinants social determinants of health. Again, the
chronically homeless, when they interact with the healthcare system, they're
in hospital twice long, cost on us twice as much.
So if you're worried about the bottom line or worried
about where the money comes from, well, guarantee you to
house those four hundred and seventy five people before they

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become ill and they're in the hospital. We're up money
and it is one of the key social determinants of health,
including education and homelessness. Numbers are absolutely out of control
and Doug Possum from End Homeless to Saint John's is
welcome here on the program and just to give you
an inkling about how things can go so quickly sideways.
The opposite of the Superintendent of Bankruptcy, which is part

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of the Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada. There are
a regulatory body through some administrative for work and their
arms length from the Government of Canada. So they're in
charge of the administration of the bankruptcy and in solvency
active they also have certain duties on their company's Creditors
Arrangement Act. Here's some of the debt or profile reports.
The last one they publish was back in twenty twenty one.

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This one is for twenty twenty four nationwide numbers one
hundred and thirty seven two hundred and ninety five consumer
insolvency filings. That's up from ninety thousand and ninety two.
In twenty twenty one, proposals made up seventy nine percent
of total consumer insolvencies. Twenty one percent were bankruptcies. These
numbers are way up. Out of every thousand household are

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apparently every thousand dollar Canadians four point two filed for insolvency.
That's the highest rate since twenty nineteen. Then, the blend
of people inside these insolvency and bankruptcy numbers married or
common law thirty seven percent, single, forty two percent, divorce
are separated eighteen percent, without three percent, And some of
the contributing factors four of these financial difficulties loss of

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income forty five percent, medical reasons twenty percent, relationship breakdown
eleven percent, financial support of others seven percent, and a
business failure contributes to six percent of the almost one
hundred and thirty eight thousand consumer insolvency filings in the
country in twenty twenty four. Those are pretty concerning numbers. Okay,
then you talk about things like where the jobs have

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been created since twenty fifteen. Canada has added nine hundred
and fifty thousand jobs. Thirty percent of all employment agains
since twenty fifteen have been in the public sector. Amazing stuff.
And some provinces the numbers are absolutely unbelievable. Let's see
here Atlantic Canada public sector employment now represents nearly thirty
or thirty percent of all employment. If you look at

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a province like Colburt eighteen percent of all employment in
twenty twenty four. There's three hundred and twenty eight thousand,
two hundred more public administrators in twenty twenty four than
there were in twenty fifteen. Now we see in this
most recent federal budget they're talking about job losses sixteen
thousand minimum over the next three years and the long
term forecast of the forty thousand jobs being lost. Again,

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I'm certainly not cheering for anyone to lose their job.
And people could talk about right side as the phrase
they use in the corporate sector, but we all have
to just ask the questions about the level, the quality
and the access to service at the public. At the
federal level, I mean some of the major agencies that
employ thousands upon thousands of people, like CIRA. It seems

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to me CIRA services are getting worse. And don't take
it from me, take it from the country's Auditor General,
Karen Hogan, who brought out her most recent review of
operations at CIRA. So people losing their jobs naturally. The
GDP numbers actually come out today from Stats Canada. You
hear from different economists and of course just all opining
and what we'll hear today. We may indeed have been

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able to dodge a technical recession, but growth in the
Canadian economy is particularly weak. So we'll see what the
GDP numbers mean. But anyway, let's keep going. So Premier
wakem and other ministers in Ottawa meeting with the Prime
Minister and other representatives at the federal government level, both
on the government side and on the opposition side. Okay,

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So talking about a lot of things like nation building
projects and opportunities we have here with critical minerals for instance,
And let's just start the conversation also talking about clean energy,
which of course there's a lot of reference to the
hydro sector. But Beta Noord some interesting things on the
Beta Noord front, which we'll try to dovetail with the

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pipeline announcement yesterday. But how do we couch Beta Noord
as in the national interest because it's really just the
benefit to the province, right, So the federal government can
indeed play a role with expediting the process of framework
agreements at the CNLOP, be involved in the Benefits agreement,
potentially be involved financially with Article eighty two the United

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Nations Law of the Sea. But I don't necessarily understand
how Beta Nord gets pitched as a nation building project.
And on that front, you know, social media is strange bird.
So whether it be a social media pause from the
Prime Minister or from Premier Wakem you sees some kind
of interesting and some really quite harsh and idiotic stuff
that comes up. But people also adding tel Kearny, we

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don't want any onshore wind, Well, it's not a federal issue.
Onshore wind proposals are strictly within the authority of the
provincial government. So it's just sort of strange how the
Civics get lost on some folks. But when we talk
nation building project, I'm not so sure why we're not
leaning in a little harder about hydro because in the past,

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both conservative governments and liberal governments have considered development on
the Churchill River as nation building. We know this to
be true because when Stephen Harper was the Prime minister,
there was a federal loan guarantee of five billion dollars.
Why because it was a nation building project, an opportunity
to help novascot should get off coal and coke fire generation.
Then it was extended a couple more times regarding federal

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loan guarantees. So both the Conservatives and the Liberals have
said out loud that this is the best interest of
the country. That said, why are we not leaning in
a little harder on that one? I mean, if they've
said it in the past, nothing has changed. The opportunity
for the provision of cleaner energy. Hydro is benefit too
many regions of the country, whether it being Quebec or

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an Ontario or the other Atlantic provinces. So I'm not
so sure why that's not at the top of the list.
Because there's plenty of room for the federal government to
play an active role in development on the Church River.
So I get the Beta Ord conversation, and you know
Premier Wakem saying that this province is now back in
the oil business. We haven't been out of the oil
business since Hibernia, he Brown began producing oil in twenty seventeen.

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We've got Beata Nords sitting there just awaiting a business decision. Yes,
I mentioned the framework, agreems and benefits, screams that have
to be done. But on the upper an alcohol, I'm
not so sure why there's not more talk there to
that end. So we all know about the conversation about
an independent review. But something has changed because now, when pressed,

(09:52):
Premier Wakem is talking about not hiring a global firm
to conduct the work, talking about the consideration of appointing
at three person panel with backgrounds and finance, economics and energy.
Doesn't that feel like exactly what we've already done here.
So I don't know how different the makeup of this
yet to be decided three person panel will be from

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the cur three person panel. But when I asked Premier Wakem,
he said we would be looking to some corporate entity
with the horsepower, without the conflicts of interest to come
in and have a look at it. Now we're going
back down the road of political appointees. So what's really
going to change. He says, he hopes to have this
done within a ninety day window. Calls the April date

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or deadline artificial. Sure it is, of course it is,
But in the current MoU the reference to April is
so that we can ensure any benefits to this province
are retroactive back to January first of twenty twenty five.
So it might be an artificial date insofar as it's
not a drop dead for the province. We don't need
to addhere to it. If we don't want to. It

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may jeopardize some potential returns to the province, So that's one.
It kind of feels like the same approach. Then talk
about a referendum. You can think it's a good or
a bad idea. But he was asked, I think at
least three times by David Cochran on his program about
the referendum, and he basically simply said, New Filander's Laboradorians
will have their say. What does that mean? Does it

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mean they can have their say? On this program. Does
it mean they can write emails? Does it mean that
there's an online consultation process or will there be a
binding referendum as Premier Wakem had said repeatedly on the
campaign trail. So something has absolutely changed, not hiring a
big global firm to now a consideration of a three
person political appoint appointed board or panel. So not so

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sure what has really really legitimately changed on this front.
But if you want to chime in on it, we
can absolutely do it. And with the federal govermentari look
to include all of the watt ips into the future
has to be part of these definitive agreements, notably the
possibility to float energy across Quebec transmission lines, even if
there's some form of tariff, not the obstructive position taken

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by Quebeca over all these years. So how do we
not consider that because it's possible, And again, yes I
know the whole concept of East West Energy quarters as
well as John d from Baker in the sixties, but
it's possible. Look no further than what is the big
pipeline hullabaloo. We knew this was coming, but there's a

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lot of interesting stuff inside of this as well. So
all right, the Prime Minister and Premier Smith yesterday signed
under the broad strokes of a MoU Step one to
build a new pipeline to bring Alberta bitchaman to the
BC North coast. We knew this was coming and here
a coast. There's a lot in here. So for staraters.

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The commitment is for it to be privately constructed, privately financed,
very much on like the Trans Mountain twinning of which
we all chipped in on it, and you're welcome Alberta
thirty billion dollars plus for that pipeline. In addition, it's
important to note that that's not even operating a full capacity.
It's so around eighty percent capacity at Trans Mountain. So
at this moment the proponent is Alberta now with some

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of the exemptions here, so they're even talking about federal
exemptions for the tankers and the transport of this bitchmen
except from federal laws, including under the Fisheries Act, the
Species at Risk Act, and the Impact Assessment Act. In
addition to that, there's possibly going to be some further
federal intervention with not moving forward with the oil and
gas cap at emissions. You know, Alberta's going to be

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exempt from it, but at the same time they're accepting
a much higher industrial carbon price. So it kind of
feels like pick a lane. It was we need the
oil and gas emissions cap to go by the wayside,
it looks like you will. We don't want the carbon
industrial price period in the province of Alberta, but they're
accepting a higher carbon industrial price. So there's a lot

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of strange things here to try to wrap your mind
around as to how they got here. Now, we do
know ninety three percent of oil exports from this country
go to the United States. It's an unpredictable, unreliable market
sell it at a deep discount in the United States.
So it makes sense to try to diversify partners to
help fuel the very thirsty Asian markets. But a lot
of strange stuff is on the goal right here. Then

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you know, you read a little further about partnerships equity
ownership with Alberta BC First Nations. Okay, so a lot
of this is political cover. Whether it happens into the future,
I don't know. They'll talk about shovels in the ground
as early as twenty twenty nine. It's going to be
a couple of years worth of evaluation or seven months,
and then they report back to the government. Then who

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knows where it costs. I have no work of the
idea if there is a private sector company out there
to do what's being proposed here. I mean, we do
know it's going to cost tens of billions of dollars.
It's about it cost to build a transmund pipeline. Of course,
there was tons of delays and people could point fingers
of playing where they like, but the courts shut it
down based on consultations. But leads to the next point.

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All right, the Conservative leader mister Polliet completely dismisses the
MoU because of course he has but he says pipeline
would be approved by considered of federal government immediately. It's
an interesting position to take. Here's one. So currently in
the charter, all of these types of proposals are guaranteed

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consultations and approvals coming for number one first nations communities
for which the pipeline will travel through. So that's just
part of it. Whether you think we should amend the charter, okay,
that's a different conversation, but immediate approvals also the Province
of British Columbia, they're going to have to be made
whole financially speaking. And do they continue to have a
veto here, Yes, they do, they do. But is there

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a way for money to talk for them to benefit
financially speaking from a pipeline Maybe nobody. Nobody's got a
crystal ball here, but the whole concept of the federal
government alone of their own accord saying that we will
approve immediately something like this pipeline, which is controversial, especially
where it's going to offload in the North coast of
British Columbia. We heard all these references to tyranny and

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dictators and all of that kind of stuff. Look, the
possibility for province is the still have some control over
decision making is important. Can you imagine if a I
don't know, let's pick a Quebec or Ontario, whoever, and
they say, based on wind conditions that they're going to
build an offshore wind firm right off our coast, transmit

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the power across the island and then into wherever their
markets would be. People here would be absolutely up and
arms saying, how can we possibly accept another province telling
us what we can and cannot do in our own jurisdiction,
across our own land, across our own borders. So immediate
approval from the Feds is not going to be a thing.
We can see the fast Track Office, in the Major

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Project's office and all of those things, and they may
indeed be helpful in some form. But please don't tell
me all of a sudden that folks were telling me
we were living in a dictatorship. What there'd be a
dictator to tell me that. Okay, as the Prime Minister,
I'm telling you in every province that here's what we're
going to do, and come hell or high water, regardless
of your opposition to this is what the country is doing.

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I'm not so sure that's what people really want in
their quiet moments, but anyway you want to talk about it,
we can do it. And on that front, so Stephen Gebo,
who many non liberals across the country will be applauding
the fact that he's resigned as a federal minister. He
wasn't even involved in the environment any longer, like Heritage Canada,
Official Languages and the like. So he says this is

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a step too far from him, and I'm sure he's
not alone in the Liberal caucus. With this type of feeling,
people can applaud mister Gibo leaving whatever it's up to you.
Your political opinion is welcome here in the program. But
let me just say this. You know, even if you
think Gibo is a huge problem and has been a
huge problem for progress and development in the energy sector

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in this country, okay, but it's also I think pointing
out that someone who's making a decision based on principle
versus party versus politics is her warming. I mean, how
many principal politicians are out there, even if you think
Gibo is an idiot, even if you think he's been

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a huge problem for this entire country, regardless of parody,
when people stand on principle, boy, it's hard not to
give that, even if it's talk about like the golf
kind of applause, you know, the very gentle tip of
your fingers into the palm of your hand. So Gibo
out of cabinet, but sticking eye around as a member
of parliament. So political cover for the Prime Minister to
have made this step forward with Alberta, a political cover

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for Danielle Smith. Given the fact that the UCP general
meeting begins today she's gonna have to sell it to
the UCP, which might be a tough sell. But some
political cover for her, some political cover for David Ebey,
the Premier British Columbia with the continued right to have
a say in what's going to cross British Columbia, some
political cover for First Nations Company Indigenous groups, and some

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political cover for the FIDS at large, because it is
in short in this MoU that it must be privately
constructed and privately financed on like one skin the trans Mountain.
All right, how are we doing? Not there? Dave a
couple of very quick ones. I want to say good
morning to my good buddy DJ Lex. Lex griffis real
fixture and feature downtown or here comes to Santa Claus

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Parade this weekend here in the city and he is
one of the key volunteers for the last up to
three decades. Lex has suffered a stroke. I'm not really
sure of his condition today, but there has been a
go fund me set up to try to help cover
some costs in the downtime that he's going to go
through as he recovers. So DJ, get well soon or
Lex get well soon, buddy, really top quality guy and

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Don't go away, Welcome back to the show. Let's forget
in this morning on line over two second Mornings the
Lieutenant Colonel Tony McDonald and good morning tenant Colonel. You're
on the air.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
How you doing doing okay this morning? How about you?

Speaker 3 (20:19):
I'm doing okay. I wanted to provide an update to
your listeners and to yourself. Reference my daughter and her
application to Memorial University's Faculty of Medicine. So we've been
in touch with all the parties for well several weeks now. Ever,
since my daughter was told that because of her being
a part of a military family and my moving around

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since she was two years old, that she is not
considered a New Flying resident, despite the fact that she
was born in this province. Both her mother and I
were born in this province, all her family roots are
in this province. The university says that their hands are
taught by the legislation because my daughter doesn't fit the

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criteria of a New Fland residence.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
So just to add to a tony and now the
family is back in the province, living in the province,
and Rebecca is attending Memorial University and was given a
designation as a Luflander and laboratory and doing her undergrad
studies right.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Absolutely absolutely so I got posted. I got posted back
here five years ago. My daughter when she finished high
school in New Brunswick, which is the posting previous. My
daughter started right away into Memorial University. We requested New
Fland residency, they granted it. It was a fairly simple
application process, and then when she applied for med school,

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the same institution turned around and said, no, we do
not deem you a new Flying residence. So that means
instead of competing for the eighty one seats that are
open to Newfland residents, she must now compete for only
six seats that are designated for Canadian residents.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
So to me, this is.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Very very unfair. It punishes my daughter because of my
military service, and the fact that you go away to
provide service to your country with Canadean Air Forces and
then you return in your family is treated like an
outsider is very insulting to me as a New Colander.
But yesterday we received a letter from Department of Education

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and they acknowledge that there is a problem with the legislation. However,
they say that the amount of work that it takes
to get this legislation mended is significant, and to quote
the letter, it says this work has begun, but it
will take some time and will not be complete for
this year's application process for more Memorials Medical School. So

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what that means is that my daughter is now in
out for at least a year before she can if
they fix the legislation, before she can apply as a
New Land resident, and that again, is assuming that they
make the amendment to the legislation that would see Rebecca
as a Newfoundlander vice a Mainlander.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, I mean, I hate to say it, but it
always felt like this was going to be the case
you could pass between the med school to the university
proper and of course it's legislation, and to get the
government to do anything in short order to hit a
timeline that's on Rebecca's timeline was always going to be
a massive problem.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Absolutely, Patty. And this is something this is my big,
biggest problem with the university. So my issue with one
in particular, the Faculty of Medicine, is how they led
my daughter to believe that her new Pland residency was
a possibility that an exemption was within their authority to grant.
So they told her to submit the application, provide the

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documentation showing that she's a new Pland resident, and the
decision will be made based on that evidence, only for
the med school to turn around at the eleventh hour
and say, oh, sorry, there's nothing we can do about this,
this is all legislation. Well why wasn't this pointed out
at the beginning of the process. I mean, perhaps there
would have been sufficient time to make an amendment to

(24:08):
the legislation, had none and the medical faculty been upfront
with us from the beginning. So now my daughter's academic
creature is on hold for at least a year. So
to give you an idea, both myself and my daughter
had been reaching out to the university, both the Register's
Office and the Faculty of Medicine for months. The initial

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touch point I believe I had with the Register's Office
through email would have been in June, and I had
to sit down with the Register's Office in July. My
daughter was talking to the Faculty of Medicine again for months,
probably the same time frame, explaining our situation, telling them
we're our military family. At no point did anyone from
the university say, listen, our hands are tied. This is legislation.

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We could have focused all our energies on getting this
thing changed. Maybe, I mean we're talking three four months.
There's a possibility that we could have gotten the previous
government on this before the election and made the change
so that my daughter would now be considered a new
clime resident. But the university, for some reason, couldn't take
five minutes out of its time to say listen, this

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is not a possibility, and that our hands are tied.
They couldn't do that. They let us go through the
process spend also an enormous amount of money. We're talking
over one thousand dollars by the time you take in
the MCAT fees, the application fees, the practice for the
MCAT fee, these other tests, these cast per tests. This
is a significant amount of time and amount of money.
And the university, I'm sorry that the university. I feel

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that the University dupas. I'm not saying that they did
it purposely. I think they did it because of I
don't know, just indifference to an applicant that has identified
a problem and they just didn't do anything about it.
They just let us on the entire way. And it's
so frustrating.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah. I also, you know, I know MONE is operated
under legislation, provincial legislation, but some of those depths, like
what constitutes a resident. You think that just in the
effort of in the air of expediency, that university leadership
should be able to change those to accommodate the various
life circumstances like Rebecca's, like yours, Tony, this is a

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question not to be asked saucily, just to give you
an opportunity to say your piece here, why should the
residence definition be changed to accommodate Rebecca. Do you think
it's because of your service of the country and the
circumstances out of your hands. You get pulse to what
you're told where you're told you're going to go as
a member of the military. So why do you think
exemptions should be made for families like yours?

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Because if you want to actually support the men and
women who provide service of the country via the Canaane
Air Forces and also I'll throw the ARSNP in there
as well, you have to acknowledge that their families go
through certain games. So when I look at mine, I've
been in the military now for over twenty three years.
When I look at the amount of time I spent
away from my family, it's not measured in weeks, it's

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more months. It's measured in years. And I actually sat
down during this process. I sat down. I looked at
trying to estimate the unaccompanied postings, the courses, the exercises,
and then you take the overseas deployments Afghanistan, Mali, South Sidan,
all these things I estimate that in the twenty three

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years I have been in the forces, I've been away
from my family for proximy seven years. That is a sacrifice,
not just for me, that's a sacrifice for the family.
So if a government says that they support the troops,
be a provincial or federal, then they have to turn
around and say, Okay, we acknowledge that there are unique
circumstances to military life and that we need to accommodate

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those individuals who are making that sacrifice. And again, the
sacrifice is not just on the member, it's on the
family as well. This is a huge burden for any
family to take. Spouses become single parents for a significant
amount of time, children go without their fathers for significant
our mothers for signific amount of time. All we're looking
for is listen, we're willing to make that sacrifice. I

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joined the military because I love the Canadian Air Forces,
I love the army. But all we're asking for is
in return, is that when situations like this arise, that
our family is taken into consideration and that we're not punished,
which is literally what's happening right now. The university in
the government is punished them is punishing my family and
treating us, treating my daughter like she's a mainlander because

(28:27):
I went away the military. This is so absurd. It's
so absurd.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, I mean, in these whether or not when the
definition was brought forward, people would have or could have
or should have considered these different life circumstances and be
able to accommodate with a variety of clauses in the legislation.
But now that we know, and now that we have
a clear example of it should be able to be
addressed quicker than not, and it shouldn't have to rely
on the glacial movement or progress inside the House of

(28:57):
Assembly for instance.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
I agree. And you know something you brought up a
good point. Where were the government lawyers who wrote the
legislation and where were the mon lawyers who reviewed the legislation?
A simple search what have identified that other major universities
in Canada account for what those Gary families go through
and allow for exemptions to their residency criteria. But for
some reason, the lawyers in New Plant, the lawyers at Month,
they couldn't do it or they didn't do.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
It, Tony. I appreciate the update, even though it's not
the one that you want to offer, not the one
that Rebecca wanted to hear, anything else you'd like to
say this morning, sir, I.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Will throw out one other point. One of the things
I'm having a hard time understanding because everything is done
through formal letters, it's difficult to get people on the phone,
is what has changed in the legislation that allowed Month
to grant her residency in twenty twenty one but not
in twenty twenty five. And on top of that, how
is granting such an exemption? How would that negatively impact

(29:54):
the university? I don't understand this. So if you like
play a hypothetical, what would happen if one said, yes,
we made a mistake, we acknowledged that, or not we
made a stake, but there is there's a problem with
the legislation, and we're going to grant Rebecca the exemption.
So if the university and the government acknowledged the problem,
what would be the consequences for Month to grant her
an exemption? Are they concerned that the government would punish

(30:16):
them from not following the residency legislation? But if the
government agrees that there's a problem, why couldn't they just
do it? I'm having a higher time understanding how people
in authority who apparently have all this power their hands
are out tied by some ink on a piece of paper.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, totally get your point. And someone to Dave tells
me someone called and said, you know what about CIRA
proven it. But the issue is you have to be
a permanent residentaire for three years, not just that you
find your taxes here last year. So there's a time
issue for the residency definition. And it's interesting. Helen, one
of the listeners, points out that General Raquelier, back in
the day, there was actually special provisions for children of

(30:56):
veterans and military families at Memorial University, including the access
to some scholarships. So it's this is Cakenita too, where
people trying to have it both ways. Tony, I really
appreciate your time this morning. Keep me in the loop.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Thank you very much, Patty. I appreciate the work you
guys at the UCN newsroom and did understand it's been beneficial.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I appreciate it and hopefully it helps into the future.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
You're welcome. Bye bye, Lieutenant Colonel Tony McDonald. I mean, look,
Rebecca had no choice where she was going to live.
As a child and Lieutenant Colonel Tony McDonald had no
choice where he was going to be posted. Born here,
both parents from here. Rebecca born here, comes back here,
goes to Memorial University doing undergrad studies with that designation
as a new Fernlander laboratory. But the definition for local

(31:43):
for the competition for a med school seat, it doesn't apply.
Let's get a break in, don't go away, Welcome back
to the show. Let's go to line number one. Jerry
around the air.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
Yes, good morning, Patty. Isn't the beer in Peninsula? Concerning
our healthcare, which is no surprise to anyone, but this
more particular is to do with the labs. We have
to make an appointment for blood work here and from
what I can find out, we're the only hospital that
hasn't directed that protocol since COVID.

Speaker 7 (32:21):
And I read a post from our.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
Maja that he visited the hospital and the seats were
empty in the lab and he asked one of the
lab workers why are there no patients and was told
that one hundred and seventy seven people have canceled this year.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
My problem with that is you can't get through to the.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
Clinic to make an appointment when you do get through
your books five weeks four weeks out, doesn't matter. Unless
you're urgent, they will not take you under that time.
I'm sure you're familiar with the beer and peninsula of it,
and the size of it and the age of our population.
So you lived down in by Large and Terrenceville, Grand Lapierre,

(33:05):
any of those places. You're making an appointment to come
up to the hospital for blood work, Okay.

Speaker 7 (33:13):
They usually include it on a day that they have to.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
Come up to do other errands or what have you.

Speaker 7 (33:19):
You can't do that anymore. You can't get your blood
work done before I follow off the appointment with your
physician unless you're a.

Speaker 6 (33:26):
Mark urgent, which isn't the case that you should have
to do.

Speaker 7 (33:33):
Paul Plake was led to.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
You cannot get through to make an appointment, and you
certainly can't get through to cancel one. Unfortunate I live
pretty close to the hospital. I can drive in and
walk into the lab and make an appointment. A lot
of people on this peninsula account health wives and financially wise,
and I don't know or who to talk to you

(33:59):
to get this fixed because it isn't happening in other hospitals.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
It isn't I know even here in the city. I
had blood work ordered there, I don't know, a few
months ago, say, and when I went to book seventeen
days later was the first available appointment. But at least
I was able to do it online. So there's no
online booking portal for the Buern hospital. No, that's no
A strange one right off the bat. And just let
me go back to there were no patients there and

(34:25):
the comment from whoever the person spoke to was, well,
one hundred and seventy people have canceled, But what does
that have to do with the fact there's nobody there?
So are there no technicians back there or I'm not
sure about that acts.

Speaker 6 (34:37):
I don't either, And that's what we need to find
out because there are a lot of people and I
know I've.

Speaker 7 (34:42):
Seen posts on Facebook, I've seen other social medias. My
husband owns a business in this town that realize that appointments.
We have a garage and tire store.

Speaker 6 (34:51):
Okay, okay, So if you book your appointment for nine
o'clock and you don't show up and you don't call,
then that's the problem. And the same thing happens in
the blood work, right, But they're not rebooking anybody because
they're saying nobody is calling back to cancel. I'm not
spending two hours on the phone waiting for.

Speaker 7 (35:11):
Somebody to pick it up. The voicemails, I wasn't even
cut it in half the time. You can't leave a message.

Speaker 6 (35:18):
There's three receptionists behind that desk, three and nobody.

Speaker 7 (35:24):
Answers the phone. You know. I'll give you an example.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
I had a follow up appoint with wine nurse spectationer
on Wednesday of this week. Since the twenty second or
the twenty first of October, my next appointment.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
Was booked for last Wednesday. I had to have blood work.

Speaker 6 (35:42):
You know where my blood work is this afternoon, so
I've already seen her and she just.

Speaker 7 (35:50):
She was shocked that I'm still waiting for blood work.

Speaker 6 (35:53):
But it's happening over and over and over in our community.

Speaker 7 (35:57):
We're hearing people talking about it all the time. Every day.
My husband comes home.

Speaker 6 (36:02):
And says, you know, I didn't realize it was so
bad up there. Your financial health care system.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
I have fallen through the cracks.

Speaker 6 (36:12):
I have no idea if it's a management level, if
it's a financial level, a staffing level.

Speaker 7 (36:19):
But someone needs to come out and figure it out.
We matter our seniors certainly.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Matter of course. I mean, and we're not talking about
access to a cat lab or we're not talking about
a cat scanner. We're not talking about specialized surgery. We're
talking about blood work.

Speaker 6 (36:39):
Bloodwork exactly. I have room twitter arthritis, so I have
to have screens of X.

Speaker 7 (36:44):
Rays and blood work every month. I didn't have to
have an appointment for my X rays.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
I walked in and spent forty five minutes getting X
rays because the extra I rejoined my body pretty much, but.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
I didn't need an appointment for that.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
I have my blood worked on while I was there
because there was nobody in the seats, and they wouldn't
because I had an appointment for today.

Speaker 7 (37:10):
Like this is not making sense on any level.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
No, it's not. I'm still kind of scratching my head
about the empty waiting room. And has something to do
with cancelation. Certainly, not everyone that was booked for blood
work that day canceled. All one fell swoop, So that
wanting feels like a staffing issue. Like most things in healthcare,
surgery is being postponed and wait listed. Absolutely, this is
human resources related for the most part.

Speaker 7 (37:34):
Yes, but it's also a management issue.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I think, oh, sure, fair enough.

Speaker 6 (37:39):
Like I was human resources manager for many years in
a large company in New Brunswick.

Speaker 7 (37:47):
Okay, I moved back.

Speaker 6 (37:49):
To newfoundand I'm thinking, oh my god, I haven't got
to go through that rigor more goes and fund parking and.

Speaker 7 (37:54):
All that stuff to go to the hospital.

Speaker 6 (37:56):
I'd rather do that anygay than what I'm doing right
now is very, very frustrating. Like I can send you pictures.
I was in last a couple of weeks ago, our Friday.
It was ten thirty in the morning for X rays.
There wasn't one person waiting, not one.

Speaker 8 (38:15):
The whole lab.

Speaker 7 (38:16):
Was empty except for the three girls behind the desk.
But I didn't have to make an appointment for that because.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
It was X ray, right, we had a requisition. Yeah, right, Yeah,
I understand. It's you know, people say, well, how's my
surgery postponed? When the surgeons were told we have all
these surgeons. The problem is, unless it's a day surgery
and people say there's no bed, there's actually a bed,
physical bed. It's the staff to accommodate the patient in

(38:46):
the bed. You know even just I mean, there's so
many factors that contribute to this stuff, like how many
people in the hospital bed today should be by their
own diagnosis by the doctor. They just need to be
in the long term care facility. But we don't have
the staff in the long term care to accommodate that person,
so they're in a bed in the hospital. There's just
so much of this boils back to staff. And to
use your reference to management as well.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
Yes, absolutely it needs to be run more like a
business than a department of the government.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
It really and truly does.

Speaker 7 (39:17):
As a manager of that Department of Human Resources in Burin.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
It be transparent, say we.

Speaker 7 (39:27):
Don't have enough blood technicians to work this shift will
not have blood.

Speaker 6 (39:32):
Collections because there's no one there. But you're talking ten
thirty on a Friday morning and there's no lab technician
in that lab.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Calm on, Yeah, something wrong there. I appreciate you painting
the picture for us, Jerry, Thanks for.

Speaker 7 (39:47):
The call, Thank you, thank you for listening.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Pleasure bye bye. Yeah, it's a staffing issue. And you know,
and Jerry's reference to running it like a business, I
get a point. Run it like a business in so
far as what healthcare actually does. But in so far
as efficiency and productivity, probably let's get a break in
when we go back, we're speaking with you. Don't go ahead,
welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number five. Danielle,

(40:12):
you're on the air.

Speaker 9 (40:14):
Hi, I was just dropping off some donations down at
the gathering place. I just want to let you know
as I was here, there is a huge medical emergency
across the street. Unfortunately I am seeing. I did see
someone getting CPR, but the whole section there is all

(40:34):
kinds of emergency vehicles in that green spot across from
the gathering place, so traffic there's a bunch of fire
trucks and police outsite. So if you're traveling in that area,
there's going to probably be a delay.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
So avoid at all costs. It's already a fairly congested
part of the city. So right there Harvey Road, coming
off Military up into that area, please avoid if possible. Danielle,
Hopefully everyone is okay. But I appreciate the this morning
and the information.

Speaker 9 (41:02):
I just didn't know the directions sort of the name
at park across the way.

Speaker 7 (41:05):
But like I said, there's a lot of traffic and
there seems.

Speaker 9 (41:08):
To be something not good going on, so yeah, avoid
the area.

Speaker 10 (41:11):
Thank you for this, Tan Yelle, All right, thank you, welcome.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Bye bye, Matt. You see some sad stuff there. I
drove right past the gathering place and look they're they're
doing their best as far as I can tell with
what they have and for the complexity of the issue.
When the number of people were lying in the gathering place,
but just a number of weeks ago, coming from the
funeral home down the Marching road, coming back that direction
towards my home, and there was one person lying on

(41:36):
the sidewalk on the gathering place side another one almost
directly across the street on the sidewalk. But the amazing
part of that is, not only is that sad enough
of site, but people were just walking by right just
walking right past someone on the street. Now maybe they
knew more than I did, but it looked like quite
the site. Let's keep your owner. Just go to line
number three. Taken more to the exacutive the executive director

(41:58):
at the c and IV. That's Dayne Morgan around the air.

Speaker 10 (42:02):
Good morning, thank you for your time this morning.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Happy to do it.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
I'm calling in. I wanted to.

Speaker 10 (42:07):
Let everyone know about a unique theater production happening this weekend.
It's a partnership between C and IV and Power Productions.
Power Productions has been doing a theater series called Tales
of Us over the years where they tell stories about
people living with disabilities, and this time around, it's all
focused on people that are blind, partly sided, or deaf blind.

(42:30):
So there'll be six unique stories taking place and really
talking about not just the challenges of living with sight loss,
but the successes that people have had. There's a lot
of assumptions about living with blindness, so this is just
another creative way that we're going about, you know, dispilling
some of those myths and just really raising awareness and

(42:53):
celebrating the lives of people that are blind and parsi
sided in this province. That's taking place tonight and tomorrow night,
so November twenty eighth and twenty ninth at the Arts
and Culture Center in the Barbara Barrett Theater, which is downstairs,
and tickets are still available at the Arts and Culture
box office. So if you want to come out and

(43:14):
maybe learn a few things that you don't know, or
maybe you change some of your assumptions about blindness, come
out and check out the stories that people are telling.
As I said, people have been coming up creating their
own pieces with input from Power Productions, and there's been
a lot of work put into this by a number

(43:34):
of people with slight loss and it should be a
great show for everyone.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I really please that we're talking about dispelling some myths
because and this is not about CNIB or any other organization.
It's important to highlight the hurdles and the pitfalls and
the shortcomings of government policy and what that means for people,
whether it be with their vision or some disability around
the autism spectrum. But what we don't do is talk
about the fact that I mean, being somewhere on the

(44:01):
spectrum or losing your vision or having some sort of
disability doesn't mean it's over. Your life is over. Would
be nothing but miserable in the future. People continue to
do really good things, important things, important achievements when they
are any of the appforementioned. So I'm glad we're talking
about that this morning.

Speaker 10 (44:16):
Duanne, Well, thank you. I will share. I mean, I've
lived with significant sight loss all my life. I have
a genetic eye condition known around these parts of Newfoundland
and Labrador rod cone distrophe so if we find someone
in Canada or pretty much throughout the world with the
exact eye condition is mine, I can probably find a
link on the family tree and the extended lens anyway.

(44:38):
And you know, it's been a challenge. I've had the
opportunity to live in other places within Canada where some
of the infrastructures advance a lot more than we have here,
So it's definitely there are challenges. It's important for us
to continue to raise our voices. So that's a part
of what we do here at CNIV, and certainly, you know,

(44:59):
we people as individuals. You don't have to be you know,
tied to c and IB or anything like that to
raise your voice and just challenge society and government to
break down the barriers that exist. And the more we
see people succeed, you know, and the more those assumptions
are you know, changed, and those myths are dispilled.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
My father was on the board of seeing IV years
ago for a long time. Dwayne, can you share a
personal story, you know, part of me, a story that
you've heard from another individual, because obviously you've achieved a
great deal in your life with someone with the roden
cone disease, So can you give us another specific story
without even saying somebody's name, about something that's been achieved
that people would have thought impossible given their concerns with

(45:42):
their loss of vision or their complete lineness.

Speaker 10 (45:45):
Well, I'm not going to give away his name, and
if he's listening, he'll know exactly that I'm talking about him.
But there is for example, we have a person with
significantly low vision who you know, did very well throughout school,
you know, with link with CIB through you know, programs
that would get people ready for university. He's very successful
in university. He's now doing his residency here after finishing

(46:08):
in med school. Interesting given the conversation we just heard
about med school. But you know, it's going to be
a doctor. So and maybe if it's you know, if
if someone were to say, hey, I'm a person who's
legally blind, the last thing they woul probably think is
that you would be become a doctor. But that's just
an example of a success. I mean, there's there's tons of,

(46:31):
you know, challenges that we face in the community. You know,
every day, you know, I'm trying to figure out how
I get from point A to point B, not just
within the city, but you take transportation. If you're not
able to drive, it's nearly impossible to get you know,
two different communities within this province without significant resources or
significant time on your side.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Here here, Dwayne, give us the details. One more time
for the theater production.

Speaker 10 (46:56):
Yea, so it's tailed us and it's taking place tonight
and tomorrow night at seven pm. It's at the Barbara
Barrett Theater, which is downstairs in the Arts and Culture Center.
The Arctics available on Arts and Culturecenter dot com. Saint
John's you can call the box office and yeah, you
can look forward to six stories that are unique. But yeah,

(47:18):
really talked about living with blindness. The challenges certainly are there,
but you know the way people have adapted, adjusted, push
through and achieved things in their life. So it should
be a really good evening for when to come out
and join us.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Pre share time, good luck with the event way.

Speaker 10 (47:35):
Thank you so much, Patty, and thank you for always
giving time for the team to come out. I know
a number of our staff here jump on and talk
about things happening around and we always appreciate the time
you give to everyone.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Happy to do it, stay in touch. Thank you, have
a great day. You too, Pal, Bye bye. Dwain Morgan,
executive director at the CNIV, very quickly looking for some
Christmas crafts this weekend Saturday from ten am to four
pm in an effort to support the O'Donnell Highs prom.
Upcoming prom is their O'Donnell High School's Christmas Craft Fair.
So it's November twenty ninth, Saturday, ten am to four pm.

(48:06):
It's in the o'donnald Jim. It's a five dollars admission
cash only at the door, there's canteen, will be openers,
door prizes, so please do indeed support that. Let's get
a break in when we come back. Plenty show left
for you, don't go away, Welcome back to the show
is research wee Kevinmorrial University. So this one from Shore
to Seafloor Insights and impacts from the Marine Conservation Areas project.

(48:28):
Join us online number one talctor of Jonathan Fisher as
Sociate Professor and research shared in the Center for Fisheries
Ecosystem Research. Let's go get the right clicker, Doctor Fisher,
you are on the air.

Speaker 11 (48:39):
Hello, thank you so much. Yeah, I'm here to talk
about one of seventy different events going on within Research Week.
This is coming up this afternoon from two to four
at the Marine Institute Conference Center, of course open to
the public, free parking, light, refreshments, and one of the
highlights of this will be to see students and partners
showcasing their findings within this Marine Conservation Areas project. And

(48:59):
the project is part of a five year project led
by the Marine Institute in collaboration with Fisheries Notions in Canada,
and this is aimed at monitoring marine conservation areas that
are existing off the coasts of Newfoundland Labrador. And part
of this work is some of the state of the
art technologies and using largely non invasive techniques to characterizing
the water column, benthic habitats, looking at environmental DNA to

(49:22):
get a handle on what's out there, using a lot
of cameras and using different nets to even sample zooplankt
in and so these provide a strong basis. All this
information is worked up here and also goes into DFO
processes and assessments. And this is the fourth year that
this is being highlighted within Research Week.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
It's interesting when we look at the ocean and the
living that we've made off the ocean. We talked about
ground fish and seals and whales and sharks, but we
don't talk very much about antipods or zoop planks, and
we'll talking about the entire food chain. So the health
and strength of those two aforementioned pretty important, Yes.

Speaker 11 (50:01):
Sir, So that's something that has been characterized for a
long time. Part of a response after the groundfish collapse
was an increased knowledge in DFO put a lot of
time and effort into monitoring some of those things, and
so to have some of that information from within these
conservation areas gets at everything from yeah, marine mammals down
to the smallest plankton.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
It's interesting, now this is a political comment as opposed
to academic is marine conservation areas have now all of
a sudden become a bad thing in some people's minds.
I know, the countries on the quest for thirty thirty
marine and land conservation goals, but some of that comes
down to I think the way the message is communicated.
And I know this is not your value work necessarily,

(50:42):
but you know, even the confusion that reigns supreme about
the National Conservation Marine Area off the Southwest coast, nobody
even really knows what's going to be allowed what's not
going to be allowed. So do you think politicians should
be clear, whether it be at the Parks Canada level
or others, to talk about this in real scientific impact
terms as opposed to the powers of conservation.

Speaker 11 (51:02):
Well, I think that that's where this program can contribute,
can contribute to information gathered in collaboration with others, led
by the Marine Institute, to get at some of these
questions of kind of what else is out there and
what is out there?

Speaker 12 (51:16):
So for some of these areas, there's.

Speaker 11 (51:17):
A limited baseline of information. For some of the deepest areas,
So I'm talking about areas that have already been established,
like the northeast newfundland Slope. Some of these areas go
down to three thousand meters and there's been less work
done at some of those depths. So I think that
certainly a lot of political questions around these issues, and
I think that some of the scientific techniques as well

(51:38):
as the information that are being developed and delivered within
this program can contribute to some of those discussions hopefully.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
So, can you give us an example of an innovative
technique and then what that technique led to insofar as results.

Speaker 11 (51:52):
Yeah, so great question. So this has been about monitoring,
but part of the other side of that is also discovery.
So in twenty twenty three we went out on a
sort of routine monitoring of different stations. One of those
stations that turns out was a very shallow area within
the Funk Island Refuge. In twenty twenty four, there was
an indigenous led expedition within which Marine and Suit was

(52:14):
a partner. There was a chance to develop or a
student had developed a camera system and wanted to deploy
it at a shallow site, so that site identified the year
before was used and it turns out that that was
part of the discovery of a dense soft coral garden
that extends all over some of those pinnacles around Funk Island.
And this is something that was unknown because trawling was

(52:35):
not done there in the past because it's.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Just too rugged.

Speaker 11 (52:38):
And part of this discovery of this soft coral garden
is a direct result of these technologies, the testing of
those technologies, and this opportunity to go out to these
new areas that are not too distant offshore and to
make these discoveries with partners.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
It's remarkable this day and age twenty twenty five were
still making all of these discoveries. And sometimes I say,
and you can correct me if I'm wrong, it seems
like we know more about space than we do about
the oceans.

Speaker 11 (53:06):
Well, certainly, there's been a recent study that looked at
just how slight the sort of footprint of what's been
seen in the ocean bottom is a minuscule number of
images that have been taken from the ocean, and that's
one place where we're filling in some of these gaps,
or using acoustics, using cameras on the bottom, using bait
to bring in fish to the cameras to look at
them and not extract them, and then to derive all

(53:27):
sorts of estimates even of things like what's the local
abundance of cod based on arrival times and numbers at cameras.
So these are techniques that are of course about marine conservation,
but also get at sort of the evolving techniques that
are and will be needed within other things like fishery
stock assessments.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I appreciate Tom this morning, doctor Fisher, anything else you'd
like to.

Speaker 11 (53:47):
Add, I'd just like to add that this project also
involved twenty two different students involve vast partnerships with of
course DFO, with indigenous groups and some of these things
again are going to be highlighted this afternoon from two
to four here at the Marine Institute.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
How much time on the water would some of these
students have spent in the last year or whatever?

Speaker 11 (54:05):
The number is, great question, So more than two hundred
and fifty days in total for all of us students
have been out there, some of them two weeks at
a time kind of thing each year, some of them
for three years. So that's six weeks on the water
experiences to get to know some of these techniques, get
to know some of the ocean industry and expand their
networks and their opportunities because we're asking what else is

(54:26):
out there, but students are asking what else is out
there in terms of opportunities for employment and education After
am I This.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Might be a quasi done question. But what kind of
vessel are they on? Is this something owned and operated
by DFO, or does the Marine Institute have their own
ships or what is the case?

Speaker 11 (54:42):
Great question? Now, this is an industry vessel that's often
used in the crab fishery that's then converted towards these
science operations, so that conversion takes a couple of days
for us to get our equipment on there, to calibrate it,
and to really transform that one hundred foot vessel into
something that can house ten or twelve scientists and also
the crew to get all this work done efficiently and safely.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Appreciate your time this morning on their work they're doing.
Doctor Fisher, nice to meet.

Speaker 11 (55:05):
You, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Pleasure you too, Bye bye. All right, the holiday season.
Everybody loves a raffle. Hey by, let's go to line
number two. Shamus O'Keefe. You're on the air morning, Patty.
How are you great today? How about you?

Speaker 5 (55:18):
Well, not too bad, little moldy day out there, but
looking good for the weekend. Uh konyen. Just to let
your viewers know about a native I'm part of through
the Canadian Progress Club, Saint John's chapter. We're looking to,
as you mentioned, do re establish the traditional holiday raffle.
And I think a lot of people in this region
have you know, the nostalgia hanging down in Mount Casule

(55:38):
and good times and great memories is sharing with friends
and family of you know, spin the wind, spin the wheel,
the win prizes and turkeys and hams and aviern and
share coffee with friends and neighbors. So we're we're looking
to re establish that this weekend in conjunction with the
downtown Saint John's Christmas Bread.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Where's the raffle going to be?

Speaker 5 (55:57):
We are thanks to our good friends at Howard Properties,
we are utilizing space at one seventy one Water Street
for people who knew member of the Biakas or the
former Saltbox Kitchen. We're located right next to Vote for
years good spots.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
What was I going to ask you? What kind of
thing is the Progress Club working on these days? Shamous?

Speaker 5 (56:17):
Yeah, No, it's We're a national organization started in nineteen
twenty two. There's twenty seven clubs across Canada. The new
Flat chapter is We're going to celebrate our fortieth anniversary
next year and we've raised approximately two million dollars for charities.
And our two primary charities are on the Very Polane
Society and the Special Olympics NL and you know, very

(56:38):
deserving and they do great things community and we're proud
to say that one hundred percent of our work and
our revue goes towards supporting those nonprofits, get.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Out and enjoy the raftle anything else you want to
tell us about this morning while we have you, Seamus.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Two things.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
We're open today Friday from forty eight, all day tomorrow
from ten to eight, and then Sunday we're wrapped around
the parade, you know, working with downtown Saint John's. We
also want to shout out too. And I think it's
gonna be a theme this morning and throughout the weekend.
Is Lex Griffet. So I've had a good fortune of
working with Lex, whether my tenure on George Street or
with the new vin Rogues or downtown Chris Brad very generous,

(57:13):
happy go guy, and right now he needs our help
and if people can step up, it'll be a You're
helping a good.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Guy, a friend of mine too. So do you happen
to know about how he's doing?

Speaker 5 (57:22):
You have no You know, it was a tough day
a couple of days ago. He's made there's some cognitive
issues there and they're really don't too much. He's coming around.
It's a slow, steady process. He's you know, he's innundated
with thoughts and warm wishes and get well. I mean,
the quick funny story I heard is that he was
being wheeled into Saint Clair's and they had to stop

(57:43):
ten times every minute all the nurse. Hey, Alex, Hey, Lex,
how you doing Lex? He knows everyone from the from
the weddings he's done, to his generous donation of time
to voluntarism. He's a well known person and he's got
a long road ahead of him. The recovery's going to
be steep. But I think if we, you know, we
give all this love as what we need, he'll make it.
So it's turning in the right.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Direction here here, I'm glad to hear that. To good
to have you on shame. It's good luck with the raffle.
Thanks vite, cheers, drop down, we'll do byebye. I actually
plan on going to the Pride this year. I haven't
gone in a while. Something to do. Let's get a
break in when we come back. Tom's in the computer
respond to the Lieutenant Colonel Tony McDonald and his concerns
or issues with amoral university and competition for a med
school seat as a local versus not. Don't go away,

(58:28):
Welcome back to the show. Just a question for the
general listening public, and it's a good one. So this listener
last night purchased online purchase the Ultimate Dream Home tickets
before the twelve pm deadline to qualify for the early
Bird prize including the ten thousand dollars draws. But the
ticket is not going to be issued until won't be
an issued until today by email. Do you know if

(58:50):
that person hit the deadline by the online purchase doesn't
have to have the tickets and hand I'm guessing that
they do qualify for the ten thousand dollars prizes. Do
you know? Let me know. Let's go to line number three,
tomm you're on the air.

Speaker 12 (59:04):
Good morning, Patty, Good, good, great Patty. This truly is
a Black Friday today for everybody who's a serving military
or a veteran in this province. When this is the
second time now i've listened to Lieutenant Colonel McDonald and
the situation he's having with his daughter at mid school.

(59:24):
You know, I was like Lieutenant Colonel McDonald. My daughter
was two years old and I got fransferred away from
Newfoundland and she didn't return, and we didn't return until
she was in high school. And that's a situation that
many of us who were born Newfoundland or face we

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joined the military and we had to take our families,
you know, all over Beddy Canada, and then we ended
up being sent to places all over the bloody world,
being our families behind. And I'm sure you listen to
to mcram McDonald saying the places has been in the
seven years has been away from his family. And then

(01:00:08):
when he finally gets posted back to this province and
his daughter wants to become a doctor and go to
medical school, this is the way he's being treated. You know,
I'm I could bite off a nail the first time
I heard this. Now I can blade off a piece
of rever because all they're doing is hiding behind a regulation.
My goodness, gracious, I think it's mister Benn who is

(01:00:31):
the Minister of Education right now, Oh yes, there was
make a phone call and say admit this girl. This
is absolute bs, absolute ds. So you know, I'm outraged.
So I can only imagine how Lieutenang McDonald's feeling this.
This is absolutely crazy, desperate for doctors in this province,

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desperate and a young lady who clearly is motivated and
the probably will end up being a doctor and clearly
will become a residence doctor in this, So this is
the way we're treating her. This is the way we're
treating our military. My goodness was a month ago, less
than a month ago, that we all stood and remember

(01:01:12):
the service of those that came before us, and now
here we are treating our serving members like this. Look.
I just feel like a going over Confederation Building, getting
every veteran I know and I know a last and
going all over there and making a display that will
embarrass what we do at Remembrance Day, because every one

(01:01:32):
of us I know was outraged at this. And I'm
sorry for ranting. Whether it just I'm so upset this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Morning, that's fine. You know, I understand why legislation is
involved in the operations at Memorial University, but at the
exact same time, the university is always talking about more
and more autonomy. But for specific cases like this, you
think the authority should be granted to the dean of
the Maid School or the dean of various departments for
things like residency qualifications. If that young lady Rebecca McDonald

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can be designated as a Newfoundlander laboratory for her undergrad
but not for med school definition regarding residency, it just
seems like it's a bit strange, it's a bit hand fitted.
I know that the med school sort of operates a
little bit of a standalone operation, like they have their
own budget and the like, but I mean, seriously, this
can't be done by people who have heard Tony McDonald's story,

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understand the life circumstance and make changes on the fly.
We shouldn't have to have debates and the you know
this being on the white paper and go through the
House of Assembly which takes forever a day. And to
that end, you know, Tony wakem the Premier has said that,
you know, opening up the house as soon as possible,
after all the m Chaser sworn in. Now we're told
that they're probably not going to open till spring, so

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an entire school year is at the very least is
lost for this young lady.

Speaker 13 (01:02:48):
You absolutely right, and Patty I love. The minister can
issue a ministerial order. You can order a ministerial order
is look screw the regulation, admit this young lady to
consider they're a resident. And if he doesn't know how
to do that, somebody over there, the Deputy Minister or

(01:03:09):
the assistant Deputy Minister, should show him how to do
it because it's absolutely crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:03:15):
And and if they want to alienate everybody, every military
person in this province, that's how they're going to do
it by doing stupid stupid things like this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Yeah, because I mean the legend you can offer no,
you can offer that type of order at the minister's
level and then just put it on the white paper
for the required legislative amendment to take place into the future.
These things can get done.

Speaker 14 (01:03:38):
As far as I know, Yes, yes, yes, And who's
going to object? Yeah, so do why the objection? The
opposition is not going to object. The people at Memorial
is not going to object. There's no law you're representing
anybody who's going to object, you know. That is if
you're saying that some stupid stupid thing that the whole
people are out, who's going to be raged? It's just

(01:04:00):
going to be then says do this and and and
does it. It's just a girl and her family.

Speaker 12 (01:04:09):
Thanks again.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Yeah, the connection is breaking up pretty badly.

Speaker 12 (01:04:14):
This is not true.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Sorry.

Speaker 12 (01:04:16):
Sorry, I'm in the parking lot here waiting to bring
my son into a death defyment. No, I made my
plea here, so hopefully somebody will listen, Patty, and thank
you for taking my golf.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I appreciate your time. Thanks Tom, Bye bye veterans and
plenty of them responding via email that they are quite
frustrated by this, and I understand exactly why. And a
couple of e mails are saying, you know, well, what
would be the likelihood of that young lady, upon graduating
from mid school to stay and practice here in the province.
It's a good question. I don't know, and am I

(01:04:47):
sure watched she knows she might do in the future
because they're pretty mobile, they're highly coveted doctor's that is,
so I don't know. But the fact of the matter
is there's plenty of there's plenty of couder. It's been
made for someone who is local, someone from this province,
to get into the med school. The likelihood of them
staying and practicing in this province versus someone from somewhere

(01:05:09):
else in the country or somewhere else in the world staying,
it's probably greater for the local, right so I think,
you know, And when someone says, well, what's the likelihood
of her staying? I think it's probably a similar likelihood
of someone else who's from this province that gets into
the med school and folsom here of people say, well,
what's the big deal is she can still compete for seats. Yeah,
but you're in a smaller pool. I'm going to try

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to recall the numbers that Tony McDonald was using in
the past. So for New Flanders Laboratory in competing for
their share of the eighty seats is like two hundred
and thirty. For other applicant from or elsewhere in the country,
elsewhere in the world for the competing for like six
seats or something like that, is over four hundred. So
that's the difference. It's not that she still can't compete

(01:05:52):
for a seat in the med school, it's just the
competition level and the number of seats competed for. So yeah,
then you know, it's the whole thought where you know,
graduates from months med school, in my opinion, should be
obliged to stay in this province four x number years.
We'll use five as the number, and practice and we
should have some say, I think, you know, upon agreement

(01:06:13):
upon entering the bed school if they would be willing
and wanting to practice some more world parts of the
province as part of their return and service. I keep
people keep telling you can't be done. Well, it can
be done. Look no further than the fact that some
of the doctors recruited elsewhere from outside the province in
the recent past. They sign on to a five year
returning service agreement. So if I'm helping contribute to your

(01:06:34):
tuition fee, which we are, money flows from the provincial
government to the month's overall budget and to the med school.
So maybe there's a way to make that easier. Let's
get a break in when we come back. We're speaking
with younk Away. Welcome back to the show. Let's go
to let him. Four second more to Sergeant George Curnu
with the thirty seventh Brigade, and good morning serge around

(01:06:55):
the air. One to you, welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (01:07:00):
Cook announcement. Here today we're doing the operation the Flemish
Darmy supporting our communities. We're taking place for food bank
monetary or food and we'll create at the full occagiency.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
John's to meet in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Stealthy Drive okay, sorry, and Fulman's month parole.

Speaker 15 (01:07:24):
So we're here at Tiltree Bock today taking donations.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Sergeants, do they have pretty prepared bags inside the grocer
you know that people can buy or you're looking for
anything in particular over when people are walking through the aisles.

Speaker 15 (01:07:36):
No, we have a box. We're here to play something
put in the box. If we take the food bank
after today's operations.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Well, hopefully people have the ability upon grocery shopping to
buy a little bit extra to pop in that box.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 15 (01:07:53):
The same year we had a lot of people come
on needy time and we're here at the sports to
be the deepest we can.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
And you're doing a good job with a charge. Anything
else you'd like to tell us.

Speaker 16 (01:08:04):
This morning, No, Mo's important thing right now, it's out there,
the word out there.

Speaker 15 (01:08:09):
There were four locations in the city donations of food
or montra value. Appreciate it allok, everybody, and say John's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Area, keep up the good work. Charge same to you,
bye bye. So there'll be I mean, we know the need,
we hear the stories, We understand it. It's whether or
not people have the capacity or the resources to try
to contribute, because you know, there's plenty of big hearts
out there that would love to help. So even if

(01:08:39):
it's something small, maybe consider today while you're out shopping.
Let's got a lot number one?

Speaker 14 (01:08:43):
Collar you around the air, Yes, go ahead.

Speaker 17 (01:08:47):
I was driving and I pulled off listening and listened to Tom,
and I listened to Lieutenant colonel. I think it's Tony
McDonald and you're there was one thought come in my mind.
But now theres too, and I got a question, and
I get to my first thought after Memorial University, isn't

(01:09:09):
that called memorial in honor of the veterans of Newfoundland
part of it? Yes, sir, So that in itself makes
it a bit embarrassing for what's happening to Lieutenant colonel
and his daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Now, I agree, I mean, it shouldn't be this way anyway,
you know, go.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Ahead, I did.

Speaker 18 (01:09:31):
I did, sir. I'm a veteran. But and the point
that I wanted to tell.

Speaker 17 (01:09:37):
You about ask and you is there are two retired
military members in Tony Wakem's cabinet.

Speaker 18 (01:09:47):
Surely both of.

Speaker 17 (01:09:49):
Them should have a little bit on the ball and
be able to understand this situation.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
I agree, And I mean, even if you're not a veteran,
even if you're just a minister responsible for the portfolio.
Hearing the story from Tony McDonald, hearing the results of
the decisions made. Something can be done about this is
whether or not anybody wants to do it. And to
further Tom's point, you know, sometimes politicians are loath to
take that chance to offer an exemption for one person

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or another. But who could possibly be opposed.

Speaker 10 (01:10:19):
To this right?

Speaker 17 (01:10:22):
So do you want to know the names of the
two veterans that is in Tony's cabinet?

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Well, Lyn Paddock is one.

Speaker 18 (01:10:30):
He is parat is the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I'm sorry, Well Lloyd, of course, Lloyd parent's also a veteran.
I knew that.

Speaker 18 (01:10:36):
Yeah, yeah, and surely they should have an understanding. And
I agree that if somebody at the university, the chancellor
or if not there, then definitely the minister could apply
some logic and permit that applicant an application to proceed.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
No argument for me, I'm totally outside.

Speaker 17 (01:11:04):
Yeah, that was like, there's like point out that if
just for all of us, then you got two people
there in his cabinet should have an understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Well, if not every member of his cabinet doesn't have
an understanding, then we've got ourselves a bigger problem. Appreciate
your call this morning. Thanks for doing it.

Speaker 10 (01:11:27):
Take you too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Bye bye. Yeah, of course you know, people say, well,
you can't be making exemptions X one. Look, the lady
Rebecca in this instance is born here. Both her parents
born here. Tony's member of the military, got stationed elsewhere,
came back here. She was given the designation as a
New Foulander laboratory and as an undergrad. The trick then

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becomes the mad school and the definition of permanent resident
because you have to be here for three consecutive years
and have five your taxes from this province to meet
their eligibility requirement for the med school. So apparently different
from undergrad where I guess I understand the point because
the med school is extremely competitive. I mean I know people,

(01:12:11):
including members of my own family, that are super sharp
and had the very best grades and could not get
to see the med school. So when people understand that,
and there's the same level of competition across the country,
there's only seventeen med schools. So if you thought it
might be easier to get into month's med school and
you're from let's say Halifax, and you come here for

(01:12:32):
a year and think that's enough to establish your residency
in so far as the med school definition. Then of
course people might pay a little fast and footloose and
fancy free with that, but this is not the circumstance here.
Let's got a line number two second, more to clinical
So child psychologist, doctor Janin Hubbard, Doctor Hubbard, you around
the air.

Speaker 19 (01:12:52):
Good morning, Patty, Good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Morning to you. Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 19 (01:12:56):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
All right, let's get into it. There's a Toronto start
of onion Fee. It's important to recognize it's an opinion fees,
but the headline is stark. It says when hairstyles get
more training than psychologists. It's a wake up call Frontario.
It's behind a paywall. I haven't had a chance to
read it. What is it actually getting us?

Speaker 19 (01:13:14):
Okay, so there are some proposed changes happening or possibly
happening in Ontario in terms of the credentials needed to
become a psychologist. And you're like, okay, well that's fine.
We're a Newfoundland Labrador. We have the CFTA, which dictates
that if someone is fully licensed as a professional in

(01:13:36):
one province, it's pretty much a rubber stamp automatic transition
to all of the other provinces. So this actually does
have some implications for all of the provinces, and it's
interesting and it's frustrating. So there was a complaint to
the Office of the Fairness Commissioner in Ontario saying that,
you know what, it's too difficult to get registered. There

(01:14:00):
are too many barriers, you know, variety of things, and
a lot of them very legitimate. Also obstacles to training
for you know, perhaps individuals from disbandaged groups or northern
or rural communities, all totally valid. Here's the thing. If

(01:14:21):
those are also complaints that are lodged. When you say, well,
we need more psychologists and we need better access so
that we can have a more diverse population of psychologists. Great,
We've heard the same argument from medicine. We need more physicians,
we need more diverse physicians. We need more support to
make sure that we can have good diversity in our physicians.

(01:14:43):
We don't decrease the training standards, we increase the supports
for that training. Ontario at the moment is proposing things
like and I want to be really clear, it's not
master's versus doctorate. It's amount of training that's being required.
But they're dropping the supervised hours by up to seventy

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five percent. Do you want a surgeon who's had seventy
five percent fewer you know, supervised hours as part of
their training.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
I don't no, me neither.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Hadn't really thought about it like that. But is there
any background rationale as to why that is the way
it is? Like, help me understand what's actually happening here.

Speaker 19 (01:15:27):
Well, the idea, which is very very valid and I'm
not arguing, is they want more access to mental health
services for people in Ontario. Excellent. But instead of boosting
up perhaps some of the programs in training for therapists
and psychotherapists and counselors, they're saying, well, we want more psychologists,

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but they're diluting the training so that what people think
of as a psychologist would actually be really altered. There
also opening up grounds for things like private, for profit,
non accredited training programs, and again we would have to
accept those here in Newfoundland and Labrador. I can give
an example. I won't name the school, but there is

(01:16:13):
one in existence at the moment where the ratio for
training graduate students is like twenty or twenty five students
per faculty, whereas ann accredited program it's usually somewhere between
three to five students per faculty member because of the
amount of intensity and training, and the other program is

(01:16:33):
all online as opposed to the face to face training.
So it's presenting a real threat potentially to how we
train psychologists, what we think of as psychologists. And like
I say, and it has some national implications, So I
appreciate you let me talk about it this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Oh, happy to do it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
But we're also talking about the numbers of psychologists that
are actually currently practicing in this problems and different parts
of the country, and what that means for the number
of graduates, whether they are too few or not diverse enough.
But the role of the active accredited psychologists with the
future and the mentorship of the incoming graduating classes is

(01:17:12):
also becoming problematic.

Speaker 19 (01:17:14):
Oh absolutely, because again this is unfortunately it's you know,
it is a nuanced skill set. It is a nuanced
you know, developmental paths that we do, which requires a
lot of supervision and a lot of you know, very
minute kind of feedback. And I keep going back to
the medical training because there it really is akin in

(01:17:37):
terms of the amount of training, the number vieers of training. Yes,
it's long, Yes, it's expensive. Yes, there are parts of that,
but certainly for if you want someone who's responsible for
making diagnoses, who is responsible for some of our most
vulnerable members of the population, you know that training is

(01:18:00):
really important. At least that's that's according to doctor Jenny.
I think it's really important.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Of course it is. So is there any barriers as
to why things can change and change in short order?
Because some of this just doesn't even make a whole
lot of sense. You mentioned you know they required training
hours for a surgeon versus other disciplines. So what's hold
on us back here? Is it regulatory bodies like colleges
and registrars, or is it academia or the professional organizations

(01:18:27):
or what is actually the hurdle?

Speaker 19 (01:18:29):
Well, the hurdle at the moment is, like I say,
the college. So the regulatory body in Ontario is proposing
decreasing a lot of these standards and removing a number
of exams and competencies. And what I would say if
anyone is concerned about this, I won't give the exact website,

(01:18:50):
but if you google College of Psychologists Ontario, there is
a survey that's in there. Because consultations are open until
December the ninth, at which point it's going to go
to the Ontario Minister of Health for discussion and potential
next steps, and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
All the while talking about the number of Canadians dealing
with mental health related matters. Now we used to say
one in five, Now we say one and four. And
at the same time we're talking about lowering the threshold
of standards for training. Is like someone help me. Helping
makes sense well.

Speaker 19 (01:19:23):
And like I say, and I think what's important. And
one of the things that is I understand in the
pipeline for us here in NIFLAN Labrador is licensing of
clinical therapists, which would be wonderful because we have a
lot of really excellent therapists out there, but at the
moment it's not regulated or licensed, which means, you know,
it's a little bit of wild West. There are excellent

(01:19:44):
therapists out there and there are some who's training. You know,
perhaps you don't know the difference. So we're certainly encouraging.
We're not sort of trying to say, oh, well, it
has to be all at this level. There is a
role for multiple levels of training and multiple types of
mental health providers, and we compliment each other we don't compete,

(01:20:07):
and we want to make you know it very clear
kind of what is the capacity. Yes, there's always overlap,
but like, let's make sure we have everyone working to
full competency and provide wrap around mental health services because
we know that those are badly needed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Absolutely, it's all so very confusing, doctor Herbert, anything else
what we have because here we are renting intues season
where the need for some counseling or psychologists or whatever
the case may be may intensify.

Speaker 19 (01:20:38):
Absolutely, And just please keep in mind we have done
an amazing job in this province about providing short term,
quick access. So if you are feeling overwhelmed, if you're
feeling stressed in the holiday season, the doorway clinics are available.
There are some ways to very quickly have an opportunity
to kind of discuss your concerns the longer term things.

(01:21:01):
You know, there are still obstacles there, but there's progress
being made, you know, bit by bit. So I guess
the biggest thing is no stigma, no shame, make the call,
reach out, ask a friend or family member to help
you if you need to. But listen, it's been a
stressful year.

Speaker 13 (01:21:19):
It's been a.

Speaker 19 (01:21:20):
Stressful number of years. Holidays often increase that, so please
don't be shy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Absolutely, I always appreciate your time, Doctor Robert, thank you,
Oh thanks Patty, anytime, Bye bye, doctor j Dane. How
about political child psychologist. Let's get a break in, don't
go away, let's go letning for thirty second more too,
oiler guys advocate friend of the show, Rob Strong, will
we rob you around the air?

Speaker 20 (01:21:41):
Patty, good morning to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
You, wanting to you as well, welcome back, Thank you
very much.

Speaker 20 (01:21:45):
And beIN a couple of weeks since we chatted, so
much has gone on. I wanted to call in, but
first day I want to remind your listening audience of
the I'm a member of the Offs Club and we
have our sixtieth sixtieth anniversary or sixtieth spinning the wheel
at the Elkslop next week. Our raffle is on turkeys, hams, salt, beef,

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whatever you want anytime after six o'clock Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
So there I got. I sneaked at a paid advertisement.
But ELK has been doing this for sixty years and
we do from the money we make, we do a
lot of good things for verious charitable organizations. So there's
my plug for the elks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Happy to.

Speaker 20 (01:22:28):
Patty. I'm reading online, of course, because no one's got
newspapers anymore. I'm reading the Calgary Herald today. I follow
a particular reporter called Chris Ferco is probably one of
the best in Canada. And obviously it being the Calgary Herald,
it's focused out west. But he's talking about the announcement

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yesterday between Ottawa and Alberta and he to quote him,
he says, an absolute game changer, and I think it is.
I think that that it's it's it spills out the
attitude that the Carney government has towards oil and gas.
In this case, it's about a pipeline to potent and

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I say potential because there's not a done deal yet,
but a pipeline from Alberta to the coast BC to
export about a million a million barrows of oil a day.
But it also talks about the elimination or at least
that this emissions cap that everybody talks about was never
actually introduced. It was going to be introduced, but the

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Carney government has scrapped, scrapped the tax and that has
serious implications, serious positive implications for us, for those of
us in Newfoundland. Operator Olcome is that I talked to
Or and then I read about are saying one of
the impediments to drilling officer in Newthland is the uncertainty

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attached to this emissions cap potential legislation. And I, along
with men the other my colleagues, feel that the fact
that now that the emission's cap is is is gone
as dead, we should see a lot more activity off
the east coast of Newfoundland. And I think that's important
because if you look at THEO Sam's website this morning,

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there's a wonderful article about the impact that the oil
and gas industry has in Newfoundland. So the more drilling
we get, the more chances we're going to find oil,
and the more chances we're going to getting into production.
So we're going to add to our numbers of people working,
We're going to add to revenues. For instance, you know
we talk about Beta Noord for a minute, do you

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know that over the twenty year life of beata Or
it could generate eleven eleven billion dollars in royalties and
twelve billion dollars in taxes. So it's important for Newfoundland,
and it's important to do it properly. People. Somebody called
me last night and said, Rob, oh, no missions cap.
That means the oil companies can can can spin out

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all their GHG on our GHD gases and so on,
And that's so untrue. The industry is still committed to
net zero by twenty fifty. And you follow this is
this did that come out of the Paris Accord? When
companies are countries committed to net zero in twenty fifty?

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Yeah, I mean the country, mister. The Prime Minister says
they're still committed to it. But here's the question I
have about the only gas emissions cap is I know
it's simply a proposal at this moment of time, but
there's very specific provincial carve outs for you know, federal
legislation regarding Speeches at Risk Act, the Impact Assessment Act,
the Fisheries Act. But I don't know if that cap

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has now been removed in full for the entire country
or whether or not this is now bird specific thing
regarding the pipeline. I can't get an answer to it either,
because that's a pretty important question.

Speaker 20 (01:25:50):
Well, I'm you know, if it's good for Elbert it's
going to be good for.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
New Fundland, I suppose, But I mean, we haven't seen
exemptions inside the Fisheries Act or the Species that it's
the Act when it comes to offshore development. But they
are going to offer federal exemptions to this at this
point mythical pipeline for the province of Alberta. So it's
just a basic question. Does that mean that entire proposal
is now off the white paper is dead in the

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water or is that simply an Alberta conversation. I'm just
trying to make sure I got the specifics before I
touch the merits for us.

Speaker 20 (01:26:23):
From all I've read, it's it's it's it's Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Why it sounds like it?

Speaker 20 (01:26:27):
It sounds like but you know, the offshore industry is,
you know, we're making improvements. As I'm reading a document now,
it says the Zeros has reduced emissions from twosand and
seven to twenty twenty one by almost fifty percent. The
Hebron Project has reduced emissions from flaring by seventy seven percent.

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Hibernia has reduced THHD admissions by twenty nine percent. So
the industry is continuing to reduce submissions to get that
net zero by twenty fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
And one of the reasons Equinor was green lit is
that they and even Ecuinor says they've incorporated dozens and
then over that comes to mind is something like one
hundred and thirty six different mechanisms to control emissions. So
that's ongoing in the oil industry. Now that said, production
of bitchmen and the albert oil size is a vastly
different circumstances and it is producing oil love shore.

Speaker 20 (01:27:25):
You're correct. But if anybody can do it, then Norwegians
can do it, which brings me into another topic whereby
Equinor and Energy NL had a series of presentations about
ten days ago that were absolutely brilliant. They outlined the project,
they introduced the major contractors, They gave us time frames,

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they gave us a bidding requirements. It was a wonderful event.
We had over four hundred people and as I say,
Equinor and Energy L are any ENERGYNL are to be congratulated.
It was wonderful. Rob.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
I want to dig into that a little bit, but
do you have time to be on hal for the news.
Come back. We'll dig into the EOI and stuff like that.

Speaker 20 (01:28:06):
Sure, I'd love to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Let's do exactly that. Okay, Rob's on hold. Let's take
a break for the news. I'll come back to a
time left for you. Don't go away.

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Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Welcome back. Let's rejoin Rob Strong on three. Rob, you
are on.

Speaker 20 (01:28:34):
The air, Patty. Before we broke for the news, you
mentioned something about EOIs and I've anticipated you might ask that,
so I've done a better research on it. But for
your listening audience, obviously, and EOI is an expression of
interest in what happens and oil come. He wants to
build something, be it a module, be at a GBS,

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be at a subseed temple, whatever. They normally go out
to the marketplace with an expression of interest, and then
companies are then invited to submit responses to that expression
of interest. The expression of interest document will normally spell
out what the project's all about, what the expectations are
visi e. Timing, vis of equality control. They'll also normally

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ask what one's experience are in those areas. So from
that then contractors will then look at that and will
respond to the expression of interest from those From the
responses the oil company gets back, they will then go
through these responses and say, well, we feel this company
can do it, we feel that company can do it,
we feel this company can't do it, and so on,

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and so they'll prepare it then a bid list with
detailed bid documents including full specifications, and normally it's a
lengthy documents, certainly if it's something like a module, and
so they'll invite companies to bid, and of course the
best bid win, and unfortunately, unfortunately from Newfoundland, although the

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you know the Atlantic Accords section forty five sub sections,
I think three or four states at Newfoundland, companies and
goods and goods and services manufactured as supplied from are
subject to price, quality and delivery. And you can't blame
you can't blame this company for wanting to have the

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best price and the best quality and the best delivery.
So most of the top side modules, which is what
we're talking about here, most of the top side modules in
the world coming from the Far East. It started off
as Japan moved to Korea, it's moved to Singapore and
now moved to China. So I did some digging around

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to see how competitive we could be in Newfoundland with
these fair Eastern jurisdictions. And I looked at Pore and
the average average, and I don't take in the benefits.
I don't take in the benefits package. I'm just saying
basic salary rate for a welder in Singapore is eighteen

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hundred dollars Canadian per month. Eighteen hundred dollars Canadian per month.
Average salary for a welder in New Finland at bull
arm and I basically fifty dollars an hour is eight
thousand dollars per month. So how can we be competitive
when you can get a build high quality in Singapore

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because they're building them all the time. When the Singapore
laborer is eighteen hundred dollars a month, when our laborer
is eight thousand. Unfortunately, that's the fact of life. It's
not a negative fortunal filant, but it's just a fact
of life that can we can we be competitive in
the fabrication of top side modules because we know there's

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nineteen thousand tons of modules being talked about for the
White Road or for the Beta Noord project. And if
they divide it up in normal, do you know four
or five modules basically water injection, power generation, separation, powering,
you know whatever. So how can we be competitive? That's
my question when you're facing a labor differential like that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Well, that's exactly why when Equinor said that they wouldn't
indeed include an EOI for opportunities here is they quite
clearly said, if we can hit the cost and scheduled
parameters that Equinor puts forward. So whether or not we can't,
I don't know the competitive nature for costs. It looks
like it's a real uphill battle. And remember when Exxon
chose not to abide by the Benefits agreement for portion

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of their construction jobs. They just simply slapped like a
hundred plus million dollars on the table said whatever, we're
doing what we want, so they could save minimum one
hundred and fifty million dollars and do some of that
work elsewhere versus here. So the cost competitiveness I think
is a huge question.

Speaker 20 (01:32:58):
That's one of several options being considered. Assuming that, assuming
that we can't be competitive, and I regrettably have to
assume that echinor may offer the Canadian They may offer
you a flat government a chunk of cash, just like
Exxon did down at Marystown. So if we get one
hundred and fifty or two hundred million dollars cash, what

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do we do with it? Do we take it and
put it in general revenues? Do we put it in
educational institutions like we did for the exceon money the
talk of building a floating, dry operable arm. So there's
a whole variety of things to do. And then, of course,
as you have mentioned before, it's the issue of what
happens to the revenue that we have to pay the

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United Nations for developments outside the two hundred mile limit.
Who's going to pay that? Does that come out of
the two hundred million dollars? Assume two hundred million dollars.
So lots of questions yet yet to be answered. But
as I said earlier, the seminar at the equineur and
Energy and l and he answered a lot of the questions.

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Say they spelled out timing and demands and Subsey in particular,
So she's she's not done yet. But I think we
have to accept the fact regrettably, and I'm mispronial for
the hand that you can find, as you may know.
But regrettably, I don't think there's much in the courage

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for us for the for the fabrication and top side modules.
I really don't.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
But just at it doesn't feel like it, and which
is why I'm a little bit confused. And look, I
don't begrudge from you Awake deciding to talk about whatever
project with the Prime Minister, but in the whole world
of the fast tracking and what's in the nation's best
interest what have you, I don't know how how we
can sell Beta Nord as a national interest project necessarily,

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which is why I'm a little bit surprised because it's
only a few years ago when the whole article Lady
two issue came up that the problems that we're not paying.
The country said, that's petty. The problem should pay. You're
the beneficiaries of it. But the country signed, not the province.
So if I'm Tony Wakem, and I know he doesn't
care what I think, But if I'm Premier Wakem, when
I go to Ottawa talk Beta Nord, I'm looking for
a commitment from Ottawa on the financial side. Not on

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fast tracking approvals and benefits of agreements and framework at
the CNLOPB. I'm looking for a financial contribution to cover
the country's responsibility for article lady too. Just imagine what
that means for the business model considerations and a final
investment decision. If I'm equinor, so, I don't think we're
going to get any fast tracking done by the FEDS.
That's what I would have done if I'm premier wakem
And again, I know he doesn't care what I think,

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but that's what I would have done.

Speaker 20 (01:35:32):
And likewise, you know that you're curious what I think,
but you're you're entirely correct because that United Nations clause
that can go up to seven percent yep. And when
oil prices hovering around sixty one sixty dollars in borrow,
there's not a lot of fat anymore. You know, the
Equinor and Beta nord would have been a lot better
when all places are one hundred and twenty one hundred
and ten dollars in borrow. But you know it's sixty

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I think sixty one dollars in borrow today I looked up.
So there's no fat. There's who is going to pay
that seven percent of royalty figure, whether and whether the
FEDS will pay it. Feds as they know, it's not ours.
The company got to pay it, the companies, as you say.
Company says no, we're not paying. Province says we're not.
Someone's got to pay it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Yeah, we saw it on what we're blogs. No matter
people like it or not, we're a blot to pay.

Speaker 20 (01:36:21):
My closing line is that we've got to make this
project happen, particularly now in the context to the mission cap.
The whole world is watching this. The whole world was
watching Bade the Nord and the THEATA Nord fails, then
we're in big trouble. Even even if, even though we
might not have any any tax on on admissions. So

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it's it's it could be this could be a very
winning period for us. We may, as I say, we
may have to swallow the fact that we can't build
modules here. But boy, you know, eleven billion dollars in royalties,
it's not bad. Ten million, ten billion dollars and papses
although twenty five years, twenty year life in the field.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
So Rob, I'm going to give you an early Christmas present.
I'm going to give you a chance to correct me
one more time. Break even up beda nor thirty five
bucks a barrow?

Speaker 20 (01:37:09):
No, no, who told you that it was?

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
It was?

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
I'll just giving you a chance to credit again.

Speaker 20 (01:37:19):
I can't tell you what I know what is hired
than that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
It is no question. Good to have you and I
appreciate your time. O.

Speaker 20 (01:37:26):
Nice to talk to you. And Christmas and Christmas to
you and Dave and the rest of the staff. Have
a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
The same to you and yours.

Speaker 20 (01:37:32):
Thanks for see you at the raffle. See you there, okay, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Thanks, You're welcome. Bye bye. Yeah, I was. I've been
using that number for a while, and of course it was,
but it's no longer at thirty five bucks. Let's get
a break in, don't go away. Welcome back to the program.
Let's go to line number one and sagamore to the
chair of the Marine Institute School of Marine Studies Naval
Architecture Technology Program. That's Winston Penn Goring. Winston, you're on

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the air. Hey, how are you excellent? How about you?

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
I'm also well, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Let's get into it. The model boat races.

Speaker 16 (01:38:09):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, So tomorrow we are having our annual
model boat race here at the Marine Institute, and we've
had it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
This is our twelfth one. And basically what that is is.

Speaker 16 (01:38:21):
We in September we sent out some kits to some
schools and other places in the eastern Newfoundland and asked
them to build a hole around it so that they
could come and race here at the Marine Institute. And
it's tomorrow, so we're having that race tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
I remember we had this call number of years ago,
Unncessar Sore. It was me and you, but and someone
wrote me in and said, my goodness, we're promoting a
model boat race. Yes, we're not talking about putting a
stick into some turpentine and putting it in the pond.
This is a bit more innovative than.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
That, it is. Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:38:55):
So the main thing is though, for us, is that
you know, in high school, in junior high get an
opportunity to get exposed to the idea that that ships
and boats and all those things have design behind them.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
Right.

Speaker 16 (01:39:09):
So we send out the kits and they're they're basically
like radio controlled model boats. And and then so we
have we have those guys, and we have mentors, we
have people that help them out and stuff, and.

Speaker 10 (01:39:21):
There's there's teachers at the schools that help out.

Speaker 16 (01:39:23):
And basically what they're doing is they're they're they're building
a little boat and then they have to put the
engine in there and hook up the shaft and make
it stable with a rudder. And then they come in
and they compete against each other, so they do maneuvers,
they do maneuvering, and then they compete the head to head,
which tends to be the.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
The loudest of all the races.

Speaker 16 (01:39:43):
Here we have some pretty enthusiastic students, as you can imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
No doubt. So in the kit, do you provide everything
like including the shaft and the repulsion systems and the
rudder or are they putting a haul on something that's
basically built.

Speaker 4 (01:39:56):
Yeah, no, it's not basically built at all.

Speaker 16 (01:39:57):
It comes in components, right like you can get a
k like that and anybody can actually, and so we
provide them all to pieces and they have to assemble
it into something that's workable, including the you know, the battery,
the power and it actually the engine has to be cooled,
so they have to think about how they're going to
cool the electric motor and all that kind of stuff.
So it is an interesting project, particularly for those who

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are sort of mechanically inclined, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Give us some idea of the caliber or the quality
of the bottle boats that we've seen in the past,
because I bet you some people are thinking junior high
and high school. This is going to be you know,
water made out of loosely paper. So give us some
idea of the caliber you've seen.

Speaker 16 (01:40:37):
Well, we've seen some. We've seen some real interesting boats
over the years, as you can imagine, right, So we've
had everything from to where we've had a couple of uh,
you know, two liter pop bottles kind of duct taped together,
all the way to you know where people have actually
made little fiberglass holes. And now we're of course we're

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seeing additive manufacturing with three D holes printed and stuff
like that. So I mean we get everything from you know,
uh where you know they're kind of in a hurry
to get it done and to all the way to
very sophisticated holes, you know what I mean. And and
the main thing is though honestly, it's really just about fun.

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So it's about getting together and and seeing, uh, seeing
what people are.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
Doing all over the place. So Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
It's a good time and the plant to seed about
maybe interest into the future, not only for academia, but
for a job. So that's one thing. Are there any
parmeters on what they can and cannot use? For instance,
it might be pretty easy, especially if you've just kind
of dragged your feet on to get artificial intelligence to
do a lot of the work for you. So any
parmeters on what you can use.

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
Yeah, well we're not.

Speaker 16 (01:41:45):
We're not too limited other than you know, we prefer
it to be original. So so so the hole shouldn't
be you know, a model that you download from you know,
the Internet or whatever, or that you can get from AI.
And honestly, at the moment, AI isn't doing a part
really great job of whole creation. Although we're not sure
how long it's going to be until it does. But

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but you know, it just needs to be original, really
and because again that's part of the challenge. And of
course we do put some limits on what you can use.
We have a length limit. For example, it has to
be you know, no bigger than seven hundred millimeters and
it gets measured in the morning and you know, during
the you know, the pre the pre trial race thing.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
And yeah, so.

Speaker 16 (01:42:30):
Again we've had some super innovative ideas coming.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
From people around, so it's been terrific.

Speaker 21 (01:42:35):
Actually.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
So with those size controls, I probably can't build a
cigarette boat like from a Miami Vice.

Speaker 16 (01:42:42):
Well you could. It just needs to be the right proportions, right,
So as long as it's not longer than seven hundred millimeters,
you're good to go.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Okay, cool, be long and skinny.

Speaker 10 (01:42:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Do you track how many of the students that participate
in the model ball race actually enrolled in Naval architecture
or Marine mechanical design or whatever the case is that
the Marine Institute.

Speaker 16 (01:43:02):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, so we've had of course, this is
a great opportunity for us to show off a little
bit and have people come in and see what we're
up to here, and we've had of course, the people
who track that stuff definitely are tracking people to come back.
And there's I remember one year, you know, I asked
just sort of ad hoc in the classroom, how many

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of you guys were actually have participated in the model
boat race, and we had more than twenty percent of
the kids put their hands up. So it is an
effective way for us to kind of again show people
what we do here at the Marine Institute. So we're
pretty excited about it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
The simulators that the Marine Institute has, flume tanks in
otherwise we don't realize just how advanced the Marine Institute
is and how many companies and other learning institutions around
the world are clamoring for a bit of time. And
some of the simulators in the flume tank and the like.

Speaker 16 (01:43:52):
Yeah, you bet. We absolutely have world class facilities here
that like you say, the simulators, simulators, and we don't
just have one, we have like ten. Yeah, and there's
a you know, an engine room simulator, propulsion plant simulator,
we have bridge simulators and you know, so we and
again the flume tank for testing various bits of equipment.
We really have some top, top notch stuff here at
the Institute for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
Before I let you go, how many teams are participating.

Speaker 16 (01:44:16):
We have ten this year and they range from high
school to junior high And we actually have a community
group this year. I can't think of the name of
them off the top of my head, but this is
the first year we have the community group.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
Again.

Speaker 16 (01:44:28):
You know, it's about getting young people interested in and
you know, showing them the possible you know, futures for
our career and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
Just because I read the news release, I'll help you
out with The community group is Forroud Avenue for Out
Avenue community.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
So yeah, thank you, Yeah, great detail me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Yeah, no problem with details. One more time to where
the when?

Speaker 16 (01:44:49):
So we're here at the Marine Institute up on Ridge Road.
The whole thing opens up that I think a thirty
or nine tomorrow. It runs the whole day, I think
the first the first part of the day is is maneuvering.

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
Trials, so the cigarette boat probably wouldn't do so great maneuvering.

Speaker 16 (01:45:04):
And then we have in the afternoon we have.

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
We have speed.

Speaker 16 (01:45:08):
It's head to head racing, so that's where the cigarette
boat might shine. We're also we're streaming on the YouTube.
So if you go to our website MI dot Mon
dot ca A and you scroll all the way down
to events and you click on the model boat race,
you'll find all the details for the YouTube stream or
And we're open to the public too, so you can

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come on up and go up into the flume tank
and that people they're here at the in the lobby
to show you where to go, and you can just
experience some of the excitement yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
And some of the industry are watching for young talent,
you know. I know Genoa Design is part of this.
Fab Tech Industries is also one of the supporters, so
they're looking for talents.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:45:50):
So as you know, Canadian shipbuilding is going crazy and
you know, we can't produce enough designers to fulfill the need.
So yeah, we get approached this time and later in
the year for graduates. And last year we had one
company said how many graduates do you have? We told
them and they said, can we have all of them? Well, no,

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you can't have them all. We have to share them out.
But yeah, these guys are in demand for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Good to have you on, Winston, enjoy the event.

Speaker 4 (01:46:20):
Thanks, Eddy, appreciate it a lot pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
Bye bye. Winston Penn is the chair of the Marine
Institute's Naval Architecture Technical Program. I think so at the
name of the division is let's get that call out.
Hold on because he wants to respond to the Tony
McDonald call as well. And just for your minds, I
the cigarette boat or one of those ones you like,
if you can picture Miami Vice and some of those
southern marinas when you get those souper fast and sometimes

(01:46:44):
the racing boats got that long, sleek hall. That would
be the reference I made to the cigarette vote. And
you know, again we talk about some of the shortcomings
inside post secondary here at Memorial maintenance deficite tuition, which
has doubled all those types of things. I think people
who are maybe not familiar with the Marine Institute and
some of the programs they offer and the opportunities for

(01:47:05):
their graduates and things like the simulators and the flume tank.
No doubt, the last time I was up there, one
of the gentlemen in charge of the simulators is telling
us that look through our companies that are lined up
trying to get some time in the simulators that are
right here on Ridge Road in Saint John's at the
Marine Institute, And I think that kind of gets lost
in the shuffle a little bit. I guess it's kind

(01:47:27):
of like most topics is we look at some of
the things that will grab a headline based on the
fact that there's a problem or a shortcoming or a
gap in policy or the politics of it all, when
in fact there's lots of good comes out of the
Marine Institute Ammmoral University and the vocational schools around the province,
College in North Atlantic and otherwise. Let's check in on
the Twitter before we get to the break for VOSM

(01:47:48):
open Line. You can follows Saarah email addresses open line
at vosem dot com. My favorite when you join is
live on the program on the telephone, getting a ton
of reaction to Donald's chat. And that's of course as
a veteran of the Canadian military and moving around all
over the world. And consequently his daughter Rebecca does not

(01:48:08):
qualify for the residency rules for Mon's med school and
that has really meant a big difference to the competition.
Let's get a break in for the newscast when we
come back. Tons of time left for you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
Don't go away the Tim Power Show showing the conversation
weekday afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number two.
Caller around the air.

Speaker 22 (01:48:33):
Good morning, Patty, How you doing okay?

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
How about you?

Speaker 22 (01:48:36):
Good to see you Mac, Good to be back, good
analy listen. I is in support of Tournia mc donald.
You're okay, Yeah, calling support Torna mc donald's Daughterday.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
Ray yeah, it's a it's a fascinating story.

Speaker 22 (01:48:50):
Really, No, no, no, it is. For Tony, I agree
with it. But I went through the same thing over
and over and over. Is that those people admissions all okay,
they play iron ball. Okay. If they like ge, you're
getting in. If they don't like it, you're not getting in.
And this racket Tony got on with him now and
they don't help. He might think it to, but it

(01:49:10):
don't help. Okay. I know cases few cases in this situation,
Like Jerry Berman was going to go over there when
he was in and going straightening up. You want to wait,
battooed Tony. Don't you go over there? He said, don't
you leave these people alone? And he didn't go over there.
Probably he were straighten things over there. He probably knew

(01:49:32):
and I'm sure he did that what was going on
over there. So there are to deal with you see,
If they like yea, you're getting in. If they don't
like you, you're not getting in. For some reason, they take it.
Some people get He finished the university degree and walk
front in mid school. Some more is up there, ball,
and I think Tony's done it right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
Now.

Speaker 22 (01:49:51):
Here's a man that's been twenty two years in the military,
and all of a sudden, he's not a pre chicketen
gating in mid school. He wouldn't he even seven years
away from his family, right, Those people don't understand that,
not of those people on that on the administration. You're foreigners. Okay,
I got to just foreign people, not like but they
don't look at the things that we do. Right. And

(01:50:15):
I'm saying to use that she could have a ranswall
and if I was Tony and if totally want to
call me, he got my number. If you want to
call me, you can call me Jetrum. But what I'm
saying to you is she may not get in. And
if she may go to another law of another medical
school somewhere in Canada or in Ireland, a lot of

(01:50:36):
people going there and getting in.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
But I'm sorry, but the argument that's being made here
is that she doesn't satisfy the definition of prominent residents.

Speaker 22 (01:50:47):
You know and understand that. I understand that's only an
excess petty. That's only an excuse for those people if
they don't want you. It doesn't they used lots of
issues on my saving, Okay, not so that, So how
do you justify it. You tell me how do you
justify it? There's nobody in government right now, in right now,
in the liberal government the ready balls to go over
there and shake those people up. No, no, I know,

(01:51:09):
I deal with them. No no, no, no, no, that's
car if we go, that's it. See like over there
drown touched you all. I wonder your mid schools across
Canada had the same problem. Can you tell me that?

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
I would imagine yes. So I'm not so sure if
you're in I don't think I'm following your point in
so far as either support or lack thereof for Rebecca McDonald.

Speaker 22 (01:51:33):
You think I'm supporting supporting Rebecca? Actually, okay, er Dave
went overs and has spent twenty two years in the courses,
and he's spent seven years away from his family and
that crowd. They knew all that, right, they knew all that.
But I'm saying to Hughes that they're playing an eight
ball for some reason. I don't know that. I don't

(01:51:54):
want to.

Speaker 6 (01:51:55):
Dr.

Speaker 22 (01:51:55):
Paul raisar right, but they're not. She take it in okay,
And I'm tell to and Tony want to call me.
I can tell she's not getting me. They get they're
upset over Tony going to public with his daughter. They're
up sit over there. They don't like that kind of
suff Okay, and you you, you follows the story and

(01:52:16):
does today coming You'll tell me, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
The problem is seems to me that there's a short
term solution here that at this point no one seems
to be willing to apply. Why. I don't know. I mean,
should there be some sort of restrictions regarding being designated
a someone from New flannd Laborador to get into med school?
I understand why, because you can have people from all
over the country who know that there's a loophole that

(01:52:43):
they can jump through to have easier competition to get
into med school. We don't want that, but we don't
want this circumstance either. And this is unique being a
daughter of a military veteran who for he had no choice,
He's told to go to Pedagwa war to go wherever
gauge down he goes, and they come back here. She
lives here, she's designated as a person from this province

(01:53:05):
as an undergrad but it doesn't qualify for med school.
Is it's a little tweak that I think is easy
enough to make if anybody wants to.

Speaker 22 (01:53:12):
I know a person one truthment got got a medicine okay,
rights abuse problems, right, and when he finished mid school,
they didn't qualify to be come out and go be
a doctor. Okay, they're in there now we're a family member,
and you can't. You can't get in there. They cannot

(01:53:35):
get in. He's in middle school, I'm saying to you.
But but what I would saying, he finish in school,
take out a degree in medicine, but you can't get
on because of the addictions.

Speaker 20 (01:53:45):
He can't.

Speaker 22 (01:53:45):
He can't overtake that. So many students that I know
they got in there. That Ronaldy got into my opinion, okay,
but anybody that's a good person trying to get to
get in there can't get in because of the same thing.
And when I got a sibling one true one to

(01:54:07):
university can honor's degree in bold chemistry, eve theology, psychology. No,
don't got all, mister Martin. Now we're not one minute
your interviews up, makes your interviews all kinds of excuses.
They but like they don't want you. Look, A couple
of students told me, say, if they like you you're

(01:54:29):
getting in. They don't like you're not getting in. Okay,
you're not getting in. So everybody ken't me wrong, Patty right,
all those students, they're not all wrong. Somebody got be right.
But are the admission crowd right? A lot of those
people have a missions, are foreign people, they don't know more,

(01:54:50):
none of that kind of stuff. I couldn't care less.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
How do you know who's on the admissions fanel at
the med school?

Speaker 22 (01:54:55):
I know, I know, I know someone I R right,
I know. Okay, now that's not public, okay, but what
I'm saying to you someone I know, Okay, And I
had a friend, very full friends. He taught it money
my university. He was the impress by Pier. Some of

(01:55:15):
his siblings never got in. So that's how they are, right, Okay,
So you know you gotta you know, Patty, you're gonna
sit down and understand it. If you had a son
that never got in there, you probably be more knowledge
when you are right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Now, Well, I don't think you know what's talking about
on that front side. His sister who couldn't get in
and graduate the top one percent of law school. So
I kind of do know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 22 (01:55:42):
Yeah, okay, but what I'm saying to you is that
it's always worked that way. Some people that I told
you before walks right in midd School and walks around
it and waves goodbye and never returns to New Finland
no more. Gone tin muck too, don't ever think Like
a while ago, he said that the we're gonna make

(01:56:04):
miss School, try to make with mids School bigger. So's
they's gonna prove so we puted since eighty students under
twenty worse, we've been in mis school. We're in a
new filand for seventy five years, one hundred years, three hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
Years, nineteen sixty.

Speaker 6 (01:56:18):
We got it.

Speaker 22 (01:56:19):
We got nothing end of it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:20):
Yeah we did.

Speaker 22 (01:56:22):
Oh, we did do well. I've got no doctor's old
doctors here. Everybody's look for a doctor who got none,
so turn them away.

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
Okay, Uh, I appreciate the time. Thanks for the call.

Speaker 22 (01:56:35):
Yeah, okay, Patty, thank you all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
Bye bye, Let's see here. Let's go to number three. Jennifer,
you're on the air.

Speaker 8 (01:56:45):
Hi, Patty, how are you making out?

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
Grandh that's too bad.

Speaker 8 (01:56:49):
I just wanted to call to bring to attention an
issue I just ran into with the new Filand and
Labor Prescription drug Program. So I I went to pick
up prescriptions. This would have been two weeks ago. I've
been a client with the program for several years, and
when I tried to pay my drug carriage was denied.

(01:57:13):
Of course, the pharmacist didn't know why, and I was
advised that I would have to call the drug program.
So this was on a Saturday. So on Monday, I
called and I was told that my application, I guess
the application every year, they just resubmitted because I didn't
have to reapply, right, So if the application came back denied,

(01:57:37):
and I was informed it was because my oldest child
had turned eighteen in the month of November, so because
he was no longer a dependent, then my application would
have to be reviewed, and in doing that, I was
no longer able to use my drug car program because

(01:58:02):
according to CRA, he was still listed as a dependent.
So I was advised that I would have to call
CRA and get them to fix this problem. Okay, so
that's not just that simple, right, Like you can't just
call CRA.

Speaker 22 (01:58:18):
It's not that easy.

Speaker 8 (01:58:20):
So at this point, now it's been Saturday, Sunday, Monday,
and Tuesday that I don't have any of my medications
and the side effects of abruptly stopping these would were
you very severe to my mental health.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
So I did call.

Speaker 8 (01:58:40):
I called back to the drug program on Tuesday, and
again I was advised, you know, you need to call
CRA and they will fix it. And I was very
upset and I the person I spoke with, I asked
them if they could put it all in an email
to me so that there was accountability if anything was
to happen to me because of my mental state not

(01:59:02):
having this medication. I was then put on to the supervisor.
The supervisor, understanding my situation, did an override and then
I was able to access my parent However, had I
not spoke with the supervisor, that wouldn't have happened. I
would have had to have gone through the CRA. So
I received a letter from the new fulnand Prescription Drug

(01:59:26):
Program dated November eighteenth, which was the day I was
directed to call CRA, and in the letter again it
states that because there was a difference independence, I would
have to call CRA to have that dependence removed. I
called CRA this morning to find out how would this work.
So CRA explain to me that because my son turned

(01:59:50):
eighteen in November, he would stay listed as a dependent
for the full month of November, and by doing so,
it would all to ensure that I would still receive
my child text credit for him for the month of November.
But because he turned eighteen in the first week of November,

(02:00:12):
now the prescription Drug Credit program doesn't recognize him anymore.
So he's now a dependent, no longer a dependent, so
my card is cut until he is no longer listed
as a dependent with the CIRA, which wouldn't be until
December one. So there is a three week lapse where

(02:00:33):
I would not have access to the drug card program
for myself or my other child until the eighteen year
old is removed from CRA.

Speaker 4 (02:00:43):
Got it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:43):
I thought the way it worked was if your dependent
child had a birthday, say even if it was the
first November November got covered. That's the way I thought
it always worked. But you're telling me that's not the
case at all.

Speaker 8 (02:00:54):
No, the drug program they cut our card on his birthday,
which was the first week of November.

Speaker 4 (02:01:02):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (02:01:04):
And it was only because I was the first thing
that I spoke with on Tuesday. I don't know the
names and they anyways, just besides points the person I
spoke with on Tuesday, it was only when I stated
that there needed to be accountability if something was to
happen to me because of the crisis that I was
in due to my mental health. And then I was

(02:01:27):
put onto a supervisor and they did the override. So
had that not happened, it would have been left on
me to get this sorted with CRA and then reapplied
back to the drug program. And I had thirty days
to do this.

Speaker 22 (02:01:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:01:46):
Interesting. I appreciate the information, Jennifer, and I'm glad you
had the wherewithal to speak to a supervisor get that
override taken care of. Sometimes we just accept the first
answer versus you know, I hate to be the charent
of the conversation. May I speak with your manager, but
we're talking about access to your prescriptions, So good on
you for doing it. I appreciate your time this morning.

Speaker 22 (02:02:05):
Yeah, no problem.

Speaker 8 (02:02:06):
I just wanted people to be aware in case they
found themselves in that position. And also they stated that
they had sent a letter to me back in October
which I did not receive, so then of course the
blame was put on Canada Post.

Speaker 18 (02:02:22):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
Yeah, it's easy to find someone else to blame. Found
the post is an easy whipping posts Jennifer, thanks for
doing this, Thanks for calling.

Speaker 8 (02:02:30):
All right, set, Thank you Air, thank you bye bye.

Speaker 2 (02:02:33):
All right, I find a break of the morning on
the week. Don't go away, welcome back to the show.
Let's go like before Barrier on the air.

Speaker 21 (02:02:41):
Good morning, Tatty. Thanks you taking my call.

Speaker 12 (02:02:42):
No problem telling you.

Speaker 21 (02:02:44):
Last week, Patty, I mentioned about the Sharing Sharing IRIS
program and that we're I would buying most of the products.
I like to expand on that a little bit, Tatty.
It's hard for somebody to donate like fifteen gallons of
Pattery's Berry's or twenty five downs of blueberry. So I
just wanted to clarify it point that I wasn't blaming
anybody for not getting a donation.

Speaker 2 (02:03:03):
Patty.

Speaker 21 (02:03:05):
I'd like to speak about the food fish and make
a couple of quick points to you. First, to talk
about the season date well in the past. This past year,
Minister Thompson overnight pretty well initialized the nextra two weekends
for the food tissue because of the forest fires, UH
and the CBN and now Patty, that's great, But she
made that decision pretty well overnight. So why is this

(02:03:26):
decision about our food tissues for the next shimming year
had to be so difficult, that so complicated.

Speaker 2 (02:03:33):
Excellent question, short answer, It needn't.

Speaker 21 (02:03:35):
Be absolutely, you're right, Patty. The other thing, Patty, is
there is there a personal daily limit. We know that
our late daily limit is five fish per day here
in Newfland, Labrador. However, on in the in the Maritimes,
they have fifteen fish limits and not more than five
to be catfish. So here in Newfland, Labrador, if I'm

(02:03:57):
out fishing, I catch three three flounder and two cott fish,
that's my limit, Whereas in the rare times deer limit
is five cottish plus five five or five or ten
attack and pollic. So because we had to flounder, that's
counted against our limit.

Speaker 2 (02:04:13):
That's that right, No, it's not. I mean, and all
that happens if people are so inclined, they'll go out
and get their five, come in, fill, go back out,
get their other five, which costs more in fuel and
more in time and more in energy as opposed to
not even everyone's going to take ten, you know, I've

(02:04:34):
gone out one of the boys, and so there's three resigns,
but we only came in with ten because we only
wanted ten. We didn't need fifteen. We were just going
to use it for a supper dates or something.

Speaker 21 (02:04:42):
So yeah, absolutely, And I think it's a lot of
fear hunger going on about to limit and people thinking
the worst. You know, it's ridiculous. And then last point, Patty,
I'd like to make is about the boat limit. There
is no mention they get that boat limit in the
in the survey, and there's if there is, As you
and I both know when I bought that wide open
a few years years ago, here is no such thing
as the boat limit. It's five fish per person for

(02:05:04):
each person who board that boat. Provides that boat and
safe to carry that number of people.

Speaker 2 (02:05:08):
Yeah, and they say, you know, it's just a for
all tens of purposes, a suggestion because if they see
people abusing the system, they they with apparently they have
the right to change the rules, even midstream. So you're right.
And I've read that email out and I have for
that email out countless times over the years.

Speaker 21 (02:05:26):
Patty, is unbelievable. Patty, please talk to a brick wall,
you know, and what we're saying is true. What we're
saying is right. And you know we're not making anything up.
We're not fabricating anything. We're just trying to do what's
right for us and for people. Food Fisher's new plan, Labrador.

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
That's about it.

Speaker 21 (02:05:44):
That's all I have. Patty, thank you, thank you very much.
It's always as better pleasure.

Speaker 2 (02:05:48):
My pleasure, Barry, thank you all. Okay, bye bye. Last
word goes to line umber one collar you're.

Speaker 23 (02:05:53):
On the air, pat good morning, good morning. Yeah, giving
me some information on Crown Land and who to talk
too fast? So I get someone to talk to, and
who on what side the buy or seller has to
do all this any doing out the workforce, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:06:14):
So you know I'm saying, if you're going to buy it,
So what's your specific question?

Speaker 23 (02:06:20):
I'm sorry, what a phone number or do you have
a shortcut so I can talk to somebody about Crown
Land if if it is crown Land or not find
out if it could be.

Speaker 2 (02:06:31):
There's a land use atlas on the government's website that
identifies where ground land.

Speaker 20 (02:06:36):
Is is that.

Speaker 23 (02:06:39):
I don't know much about computers right now, so can
you give me explain it to write it down for
you know, tell me to write it down.

Speaker 2 (02:06:45):
Sure, well, if you you know how to use Google
right a little bit, I.

Speaker 23 (02:06:50):
Think, yeah, because an adapt upon it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53):
Yeah, don't worry about it. It's really quite easy. So
if you open your computer and you're on Google's page,
if you type into this search bar, that just says, uh.

Speaker 23 (02:07:03):
Well you don't know what that P and thedn't look
up the Crown land and yeah, if you only use
the library every now and then.

Speaker 7 (02:07:10):
So I can do it that.

Speaker 2 (02:07:12):
Okay, hold on, let me tell you where to go.
So is if you type into the search bar new Flana, Labrador,
Crown Lands, Land use Atlas, it'll bring it right to it.

Speaker 23 (02:07:24):
Land Crown Yeah, and after Crown.

Speaker 2 (02:07:27):
Land it's called land use Atlas.

Speaker 23 (02:07:30):
Okay, land Laka.

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
If you don't, if you can't find the specific track
the land there, you get back to me. I'll find
it for you.

Speaker 12 (02:07:41):
Okay, thanks very much, You're welcome, Bye bye bye.

Speaker 2 (02:07:46):
Yeah, it's it's relatively easy to use once you get there. Now,
if it's a real small parcel of land behind Nanny's,
it might not give you that specific an answer. But
if she can't get it. I'll help you out. Let's
see yours to put a Twitter or we're a vocim
upline followsir you emailed address open LINEFIOCM dot com. Good
shows all week. Plenty of consternation about what it seems

(02:08:09):
to be a change in the tune from Premier Waken
regarding independent Review and referendum, whether or not that binding
referendum is still coming, But we can pick up that
conversation again on Monday morning right here on VOCM and
Bigline FM's Open Line. I'm happy to producer David Williams.
I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun,
happy weekend talk Monday. Bye bye

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