Friday Oct 10th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line calls seven oh nine two seven,
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Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Friday, October
the tenth. This is open Line. I'm your host Patty Daily,
David Williams. He's produced the program, the Kamamatha Edition program.
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eight eight eight five ninety VOCM, which is eighty six
twenty six. So a couple more knockout games in baseball
this evening. I didn't even know who Jay's fans want
to face, sir Game one of the alcs A Sunday
evening two about it's a nine thirty start, But anyway,
who do you want? Detroit Seattle? I think the Tigers
from me. I don't even know why, but anyway, let's
go Ryan Green from Paradise. He played his college hockey

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in the United States at Boston University Division one NCAA
hockey player. He was one of the candidates to get
the Hobie Baker Award last year, which is emblematic of
the top college player in the United States. He made
the Chicago Blackhawks out of camp. So rookie season off
to a reasonable start. The Blackhawks are pretty thin, but
good on Ryan Green for making it to the big
club and he's rookie season bravo. All right, So sticking

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with physical activity, sports and otherwise, so we know that
for a while now we've had the Physical Activity tax Credit.
John Hogan yesterday talked about expanding it to call it
now the healthy living tax Credit. So outside of you know, sports,
what have you now? Including fees part of me a
tax credit for music, dance, visual art, STEM life skills programs.
Not sure what life skills programs are necessarily, but STEM

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of course stands for science, Technology, engineering, and mathematics. It's
a good thing, a question about it, but I don't
think it brings any additional children into the fold. At
a dance class, a music class, or any organized sport,
whatever the case may be. Because a tax credit is
great come tax time, but it's the initial cost that
really keeps so many young people out of some of

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these organized activities. So I get the concept, But how
do we craft something where families who simply don't have
the money to put their kid in minor hockey or
minor soccer or baseball, or music or dance or visual
arts are stand programs, whatever the case may be. So
the concept and the sentiment makes sense to me, but
we still have to bring more and more kids into

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the fold. Look, you know what they say about idle hands,
and plus there's a big social skill of development associated
with these types of affairs too, So I appreciate it,
but boy, oh boy, we've got to figure out a
way to make things more accessible. Tax credit great, but
it's kind of the baby step towards what do you think?
And on that front, got a good scare following behind

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a vehicle coming up by McDonald Drives this morning where
there was a jogger, And I know why they want
to jog in the pavement versus the concrete sidewalk. A
little bit easier on the body. But this jagger and
many others. I mean, we're coming to work, it's pretty
dark conditions, the evenings are pretty dark pretty early. I
know the motorists were responsible for making sure that we

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are aware of our surroundings for pedestrians, joggers, scooters, whatever
the case may be, cyclists, but it's probably really helpful
for the individual to make sure you have some high
visibility clothing on. So this person was pretty much decked
out in black. Once we got passed and I looked
at my side view mirror, could see that there was
some reflective vests being shown in the front, but from behind, no,

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and running with the back to the oncoming traffic. So look,
I get it. As a motorist, I bear a ton
of responsibility here, but some high viz clothing when you're
out there active in the dark hours, dusk, early morning,
whatever the case may be. So just put that out there.
Also heard another listener mention it as well. Yet another
death as a result of a highway collision. An eighty

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two year old is dead. Another the passer of a
vehicle potentially life threatening injuries. So to that front, our
condolences to the poor family and the friends this weekend
and what they're calling Operation Impact of the AIRCNP and
the RNC will be out on the roads. They're talking
about the four most significant factors in serious and fatal collisions.

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They're the obvious ones. Impair driving, distracted driving, dangerous driving,
are not wearing your seatbelt. So they're going to be
out there in full force. And I know, as much
as people want to send pictures and talk about the
location with where they're seeing the errant C in the AIRCMP,
let's not do that. If people are actually breaking the
law distracted driving, impair driving, dangerous driving, aggressive driving, speeding,

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then let's let them pay the price and hopefully they
get the I'll pull over by the cops before they
cause another collision. I have no idea what happened out
around Jackspod to cause that collision yesterday. But they're going
to be out there sticking with law enforcement for a second.
So I guess we're going to get some more information
about what they're calling operation or pardon me, Project Bourbon.

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So the RCMP are talking about. What they are saying
is the province is largest seizure cocaine and tobacco. Pretty
soon Wefican stuff. Quantity of cocaine street value one point
six million dollars, nine point five million contrabands cigarettes but
a street value of two point six million dollars. Also methamphetamines,
mdma elisa, cannabis, hashish, firearms, cash, eight vehicles. All right,

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obviously very serious stuff. And while so many people leaning
in on the deadly drug, which is fentanyl, where just
one little minute dose of it can drop you dead
where you stand. Remember numbers coming from the Chief Medical
Examiner say that the drug leading to most of the
overdoses is cocaine, given the purity of the cocaine on
the street. So you can take that as you see fit.

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But there's a couple of questions that I think people
rightfully point out. Look, for instance, there is going to
be different coves and bays where drug dealers and drug
smugglers will sneak in, remember back in nineteen eighty seven
with that large seizure of hashish out in Ireland's eye.
But when you talk about the picture where you see
a transport truck is one of the vehicle seas in
this most recent bus. So it's coming in via the ferry.

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You know, people I think have decent questions when they say, look,
as an island, how can we not be better protected from
the smuggling of drugs? It's an excellent question. So to
what extent do we police patrol things like Marine Atlantic
and other places where boats are coming to shore and
where airplanes that are landing. I mean, remember there was

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visual of a small aircraft landing overround bell Isle. Eventually
there was a bus there and it was being flown in.
But it's a good question. You would think it would
be easier. There's nothing easy in this world. And the
drug dealers and drug smugglers are very savvy, and they're relentless,
and they're willing to get busted every now and then
because the supply is readily available. But fair enough to
ask how, I mean, we're not going to get all

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the strategies told to us by law enforcement agencies. But
you wonder how just so much of this is on
the street. Amazing stuff. Anyway you want to take about,
we can do it. And yes, of course I see
there's a group that has added me or taxed me
every now and then called needles on the avalon look,
that discarded needle problem is only getting worse, people will
point to know the safe distribution of needles. And look,

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those who are living in the throes of a deadly
intervenous drug addiction, they're not known for making good decisions.
Most of these needles, whether they bottom stole them, got them,
got them free, are likely going to end up on
the ground. They're not seeking out these red placid containers
that they are for the safe discard of these used needles.

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But anyway, I get tagged on that stuff all the time.
Today's the last day for us to discuss the upcoming election, which,
of course the next Tuesday, the fourteenth. We're off Monday
with the Thanksgiving holiday, So you want to just spread
it around and talk about the election from any angle,
you know me, I'm totally into it, all right. We
heard this story, Look, there's people out there having hired
time getting access to a ballot for a variety of reasons.

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And then we heard the story about the extraordinary cost
to send your ballot into Elections NL because of the
Canada post strike. So people reporting you know, fees as
much as thirty four dollars all the way to one
hundred dollars. Now apparently Elections and Now said courier costs
will be reimbursed as long as the ballots were turned
by the deadline of October the eleventh, And we were
told that, I guess an email statement of CBC yesterday yesterday,

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Thursday the ninth. So it's fine for folks who've already
sent their ballot in via courier, but not so sure
that's the appropriate timing or good enough timing to make
people aware that they can indeed be reimbursed, because you
would know full well there's plenty of ballots that are
in hand belong to people from this province living out
of the province for whatever reason, and they look at

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us one hundred bucks not doing that, And so maybe
if we had to tell folks that a couple of
weeks ago, it might have been better. Your thoughts, all right,
it looks like we're going to a rotating strike at
the posts to try to get the mail moving in
an effort not only to get some of the parasols
and maybe GSG GST checks and what have you delivered,
still with the opportunity to hold the corporation to account,

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add the pressure to the corporation, all right, you would
hope that the focus would start with things like the
GST check. I cannot tell you how many times I've
been asked about the GST checks that are stuck in
the mail. But anyway, in the bigger scheme of things,
there's really no sustainable path fisically speaking for Canada Posts

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if the current trajectory is one that remains on. I mean,
they're talking about losing one point five billion dollars this year.
They're only really floating along based on one billion dollar
federal loan. So as much as I don't want to
see anybody lose their job, there's got to be some
pragmatic conversation about what the postal service looks like into
the future. And I know the Canada Post is solely

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responsible for the last mild delivery where courier companies do
not go. I heard this somewhere in the neighborood. Three
hundred post offices here in this province alone. And yes,
the end to door to door delivery will be frustrating
from any especially if you live in a rural community
like my community. Mail boxes downstreet. So it hasn't been
a big deal for me, but I get it. If

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you have to get in your vehicle and drive any
length of distance to collect your mail. It can be aggravating,
frustrating and costly. But the future kind of the post
is up in the air. To say the very least,
cumulative losses since twenty eighteen are an excess of five
billion dollars. So but the road heading strike hopefully can
help out in some form or fashion. All Right, a
couple of quick ones before we get to you. Now,

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yet another story in the news about the state of
one of the units at Newfland of Labrador's Housing Corporation. Again,
I've said this many times, but not to promote hiring
more and more people for the sake of to bolster
employment numbers in this province. But we have a problem.
Look with the housing costs period, housing affordability is out

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of reach for so many people and it's only getting worse.
There's a reason why NLHC exists, but for the units
to be in such deplorable condition and in some cases
unlivable condition, and it takes so long for NLHC to
respond for requests for maintenance. This one story, this lady's
talked about that it took upon ourselves to repaint the
paint was peeling and when they tried to scrape the paint,

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the walls basically gave away. So look whether it be
having some staff on hand, because if we're going to
have the units built and open as opposed to shutter
and living in conditions which are really unfortunate and moldy,
and they're like, we're going to need these units into
the future, So we really do have to hire some
people through our on constant rotation to ensure that every

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unit is livable and every unit that's bordered is brought
back to some level or repair that allows for people
on the waiting list, of which there are a couple
of thousand, to get into a housing unit. Because housing
affordability is one thing, and homelessness comes with a significant cost.
It just does. People will say, you know, you got
to fend for yourself and you gotta get out through

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a work hard agreed, you do, but there's a variety
of reasons why that is not necessarily available in full
too many people. Just one note on the cost of homelessness,
even if you just talk about healthcare. The most recent
study from the Teaching Hospital in Toronto paints a very

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clear picture. They had looked at a thousand admissions five
hundred people who were housed and five hundred people who
are homeless. The outcome was those who are homeless with
their chronic underlying conditions, spend twice as long in the hospital,
consequently costs us twice as much as versus people who
are actually housed. So there's lots to the housing conversation,
and it's massive. All right, This next one always gets

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me in hot water, but whatever, We've got to find
a way to talk about climate change without always going
directly down the path to carbon tax, because that's what's
derailed the conversation. And this next coming commentary is not
pleading for a carbon tax being reading stated, but let's
talk about it. We were told that remove the consumer

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carbon tax would see a decrease in grocery prices. Ah, nope,
grocery prices haven't come down. Grocery prices have gone up
if you talk to people who are in the world
producing food, farmers in otherwise, the conditions based on climate
change are really the biggest impact on grocery prices. Yes,
we could talk about the cost of transportation what have you,

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But between fires and floods and storms and droughts and insects,
that's what the farmers are saying. Don't take it for me.
I'm not a farmer. Take it from the farmers. Just
look at the conditions that we went through this past summer,
you know, fires and drought, and I mean we're under
a water conservation order here. We've had communities where the
reservoir dried up in full. This is the trend. So

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you can think it's bogus, and you can send me
all these emails saying that it's hokum or whatever people
would like to choose, but it's obviously and if we're
talking about cost to individual Canadians, the cost to rebuild
and to repair and to recover far outweighs anything anybody
ever ever paid in form of carab attax. And again
I'm not saying we have to reinstate the cab tax.
So let's get that straight then, mister wakem yesterday, PC leader,

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you know, talk about jobs in baden Or and the
impact of the oil industry and fossil fuels on the
impacts on the climate. He says he doesn't see the connection. Look,
I mean when the message was that oil produced off
our shores have a lower emission at production site, which
does not measure downstream emissions. But yes, that argument can

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indeed be made if we're doing comparables about the type
of oil being produced and its impact in the production site.
But we have to also be honced with ourselves. Is
it's happened right in front of us, and you know
who else thinks that the fossil fuel industry has played
an active role in the climate changing, which is changing
right in front of our very eyes. The oil companies,

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they were painted and summoned to present themselves in front
of a congressional committe in the United States and said
clearly they had the data years ago, decades ago that
pointed to exactly where we are today. So again, don't
take it from me, take it from them. They admitted
under oath exactly what they knew, and they knew where
we were heading, and we green washed the heck out

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of it. It's amazing stuff. So that's a bit of
a divorce from reality as far as I can tell.
And I'll get a lot of saucy emails, but hey,
bring it on. But that thing about the consumertive price
carbon tax and the price of groceries, you know, at
the exact same time when we were having this debate
on the national stage and talk about groceries because we
all eat, we all have to go to the grocery
store for a variety of things. Is even in the

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United States with no carbon tax, their grocery prices were
higher than ours. So when we try to look for
levers to pull to try to make life more affordable,
especially when it comes to access to good, healthy food,
let's have that conversation. And let's hope that not every
conversation that begins with the two words that are not

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welcome to many corners. Here depends where you are in
the political spectrum. I guess climate change does not have
to mean carbon tax. There's lots of ways to address
and the consider to talk about the implications even when
we talk about own insurance, whether we talk about the
depletion of the disaster relief fund and the national stage
and to that end, where is the federal government and

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the provincial government with financial support for those who lost
everything during the wildfire season. Just in our rear view mirror.
You want to talk about it, we can do it. Okay,
this one's last one. Promise again, the municipal elections are
behind us, and congratulations to every candidate, those who came
up short and those who were victorious. Now's the time

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to go hit your science. I mean for starters. Between
the province provincial election and the municipal elections, the signs
were absolutely everywhere. Some councilors or some candidates I think
have done a job and very quickly went and retrieved
their science. Let's make sure this weekend is the end
of the municipal science right across the province. Go get

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your science. How about that. We're on Twitter or bosim, openwan,
follow us there, email addresses open anafosm dot com. When
we go back, let's have a great show to wrap
up the week that can only happen if you're in
the queue to talk about whatever's on your mind. Don't
go away, Welcome back to the program. Let us go
line number one. Good morning ed here around the air.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Thank you mister Dailey, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Happy to do it.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
And I have a number of things I have not
a first time caller, but it's been since we spoke.
I'd like to talk about the I guess the district first,
and it's candidates and the president of the premier, who

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should be premier Tony wakem Randa Power is running for
this district and Randa I've known all mind Lie, I've
known her parents all my life as hardworking PCs. They're reliable,
she's credible, she's hard working, and she's worked with municipal

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affairs and has much experienced with them, so she knows
the district. She knows the needs of the district as
well as Tony. You know, I've known him all my
life because I'm a year older than them. Again, has

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a great reputation. Now let's have a look at the government.
You know, first got to ask which government departments are working.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
We have Crown.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Lands, it's totally out of control. Our health care system
waiting UH is out of control, waiting.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
For up to two years.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
And health is not in a crisis, it is collapsed,
particularly in rural Newfoundland. Why in the in the healthcare system,
why do we need a Crown corporation for health? We
have a Department of Health, we have healthcare boards, so

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it should not be paused and we shouldn't be looking
at ways of turning it into a corporation, as is
the with the other districts. Look at transportation, look at wildlife,
look at every aspect of our province, especially in rural

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or New for Land. We just got a bit of
pavement on the backs of the PC money.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
And what's iran what what's PC money?

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I'm sorry Conservative money?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Okay? Well money that the Progressive Conservative servatives gardner over
the years to trying to get enough money to do
what has just been done, roads, pavement, potholes, and list
goes on. And we regards to Helt, we find that

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my son is in Helt.

Speaker 6 (20:44):
He's a doctor.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
He's a doctor in Ireland. Now, why did he go
to Ireland? No, not because he wanted to. He had
to go there, because he had to. He did he
and the reason he had to is he did all
his studies in Croatia. After a few years off power

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medicine in the Middle East, then he went and spend
a number of years in Croatia, did his studies to
be an er doctor. Then he couldn't get in anywhere
in Newfoundland, so forced then to apply to Ireland, in

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which place he got a job. And he's been working
there for.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
A number of years now.

Speaker 6 (21:34):
And why does he.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Still trying to get in Newfoundland? And only yesterday I
spoke to him this morning. Only yesterday he received promotion
of an advisory position in the emergency section off the
healthcare system in Dublin, Ireland. So why does he have
to lead the province. We say we're short of doctors

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and we're looking for doctors that are in from Newfoundland
Keaton here. Well, he's one that could be here. Yes,
maybe he got puenties for not doing his work here,
but maybe he's waiting. He's prepared, he's quite eligible, quite

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educated to come and go into an er room and
do what has to be done. So there's your healthcare system,
not alone. In our healthcare system, we got to wait
and waste and waite. We have to wait for so

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long people die waiting. And that's not being funny about it.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
No, no one thinks that's funny. So when this problems
was as recently as this year recruiting doctors in Ireland,
he wasn't part of that conversation at all. Because we
were specific in Ireland looking for doctors.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
He was there, he's been there for years, and yes
he was part of it. But I guess I'll say
he didn't make the short list or didn't come to
be the one selected to come to Newfoundland. I know
my family doctor knows him, knows what he's like, would

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love to have him. He's told me that himself. But
for whatever reason, he's still making a hardcore effort to
try to get back to Newfoundland. Because he went to
school in Placentia. He's did his university degree. Then he

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went to the Middle East over in Kadhar and taught
his parent medicine. Then he went and he said he
wanted to be a doctor and he wanted to he
studies because he knew the education that was provided in Croatia.
Then he went and applied for Newfoundland again to no avail.

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So he had to work to pay off his debt.
And you can imagine what a date is involved to
go for six eight years to become a doctor, especially
in the in Ireland and Middle in Middle East. Right, Okay,

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so you know, I can go on and on with
the healthcare system and how it's not working for everybody,
but let's let's let me worry more about the people.
It is this these rural areas of Newfoundland. They're getting
the deal. There's no need to have these long week periods.

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It's so so unfair and people have deserved much much better.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Is there is.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
There something that mister Waken when the PCs are pledging
or promising on the campaign trail that you think will
make health care access better in rural nepaland.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Uh access for patients you like like me get in
like okay, that's what I'm talking just through a regular person. Yes,
because they're going to looking at increasing the number of
medical personnel, nurses, doctors, because if anyone who's in the

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healthcare system now complained, they they they wouldn't be realistic
if they were to vote liberal today, me being one,
And that's that's what that's my belief. So now I
can talk about the m o U and say, well,

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what do we need another corporation. Why don't we have
just go ahead and go into a review, review the situation.
Don't go given our money out to Quebec. Let Quebec
give us our money. They call it their money. I

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call it our money.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
Again.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
It's a it's a situation that corporations end up with
and we end up with nothing. We'll we'll wait.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I don't think we end up with nothing here, but
you know, well we'll wait.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
We'll wait fifty years, you know, we'll eventually get something,
but well, I'm not going to be around to get it.
I hope my children or my grandchildren do, but I
certainly fail to think that that's going to be a reality.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, Patty.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
That's okay. I'll give you the final thoughts there before
I get to the break this morning.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Ed, thank you very much for your time.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I appreciate yours well.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
In conclusion, then I will suggest that people of the
Placentia Saint Mary's District take a lot of hard break
before you go on the fourteenth. And by the way,
I was on the waiting list and where and the
waiting is to get a hip replacement. And I just

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got selected for next next week to get my hip replaced.
But it wasn't without waiting. It wasn't without waiting. So
I suggest that people who are involved in health look
at the progressive conservatives and not please don't go down

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at the liberal road, because you're going to get more
the same, and that you can do whatever.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Thank you, Patty, you're welcome. ED appreciate your time this morning.
Thank you, you're welcome. Bye bye. And look, I mean
I asked if ed had a particular policy that's being
talked about by mister wakem and the Conservatives about healthcare. Look,
I know they've talked about a lot of things, you know,
fifty additional spaces in the nursing school, buying four new
MRI machines, travel costs, covers for people who need to

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travel for care. But then you know, you get into
trying to staff up rural new for now with healthcare professionals.
You know, there's been lots of incentives dangled and they
haven't really worked. So expanding locan programs what have you
is certainly a good start. Not to be on an
end all, but you know the deal. Let's go and
take your break, don't go away, welcome back to the show.

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Let's go to lend them right and say good morning
to the general manager at the community food sharing network.
That's Tina Bishop. And good morning Tina, you're around the air.

Speaker 7 (28:56):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
How are you great today? How about you?

Speaker 7 (29:00):
I'm doing well, Thank you. I just wanted to give
you a call today. Of course, as you mentioned, it
is the last day, I guess before our election on Tuesday,
So yeah, I just wanted to discuss a couple of
things related to uh, the leaders to date that I

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watched on Wednesday evening, and you know, and some reports
that I've been reading as well.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Where would you like to start, Well.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
First of all, I'd like to start with the with
the media release that went out a few days ago,
and it's talking about you know, re elected Hope and
government and how they're going to further community support. They
have some great plans there. You know, they're making grants

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available for greenhouses for families to grow their own vegetables.
Their going to provide money for community gardens and things
like that. And in that report, you know, it did
mention that they're improving a food access for lower income

(30:14):
New Flanders and Labradorians and that's great, you know, but
I don't know if the government has a full understanding
of what we do here at the Community Food Sharing Association.
So we have sixty food banks throughout Newfland and Labrador

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that we support and we provide food to those food
banks who are serving more than one hundred and fifty
thousand individuals on a regular monthly basis. So you know
that's over thirty percent of our population are having to
turn to food banks each month. You know, it's an

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astronomical number and it's very difficult to be able to
maintain the services with the increase in numbers that we
constantly see here at the Community Food Sharing Association. You know,
when we look at the population of Saint John's back
in twenty twenty at about one hundred and ten thousand

(31:18):
people compared to today's population of Saint John's at two
hundred and thirty nine thousand, you know, you can see
where the increases are coming from, especially in Saint John's
and surrounding areas and the demand that that's putting on
food banks in that area, but also the more rural

(31:38):
food banks of course they're seeing the increases as well.
And you know, making food more accessible is great, but
we need a plan, We need action now for us
to be able to continue to support food banks around
Luthialand and Labrador.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
What does that actually look like, because we can talk
about you know, in the hydroponics and community guards to
those such things. They're helpful, but it's certainly not going
to be any more than I hate saying band it
because undersells it. But if you are crafted some policy
to make food easier accessible for low income families or
for everybody. Where do we start?

Speaker 7 (32:19):
Well, you know, I mean there's there's a number of
things we can do. There's you know, the as you
mentioned before, the grocery prices are up, they continue to increase.
They're not coming down. As many announcements that have promised,
you know, with the cancelation, the curb intax and this
and that, that it will have an impact on grocery prices.

(32:40):
It hasn't. It hasn't, and we continue to see prices
increase and people just don't have the money to purchase
the food. So, you know, we need to make sure
that people are not living below the poverty line. So
how you know, how would that look? Is it a

(33:02):
basic income, increases to income support and indexing to inflation
for those on income support. We need to really have
some hard conversations of how this is going to look
in the future, because this problem is not going to
go away. It's going to continue and it's getting worth

(33:25):
year by year.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
It is. So a revamped social assistance program is long overdue,
not only about the how much money, but who actually
is on social assistance? Number one, you know, employment stability
programs pretty important contribution here to try to get people
back into the workforce that are entered it for the
first time. And as it pertains the seniors. You know,
the thresholds to qualify for say guaranteed Income supplement or

(33:50):
the Senior's Benefit, they're just too low. It's as simple
as that. We can talk about increasing the Senior's benefit
in this province by ten percent, fifteen percent, twenty percent,
but the problem is the threshold the qualiti for it.
I mean, what was twenty one thousand dollars for the
purchasing power five years ago is not the same today.
It's just not. So we can talk about the expanding
or increasing the amount of money out the door, but

(34:10):
we've got to catch more people. You know, if the
seniors benefit, there's some fifty thousand seniors in the problems
eligible for it. That number. Realistically, if what we're trying
to achieve is getting people more money in their pockets
so they can eat properly and pay their heat bills
and all that, we need to capture seventy five thousand
just for a round number. So increase it, fine, but
how about we take change the threshold so more people

(34:30):
qualify because more people need it.

Speaker 7 (34:33):
Well, absolutely, Patty and that's the problem is that the
thresholds are so low that it really you know, takes
away from those that need it. So in order to
be able to make an impact, the thresholds have to
be increased.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeah, I think that's an important part of when we
talk about the amount of money for seniors in this country,
no doubt about it, specifically the Guaranteed Income Supplement. That
one there we can capture other million plus Canadians if
we just acknowledge the fact that purchasing power has changed
dramatically in the last five years.

Speaker 7 (35:07):
Well absolutely, And you know when we look at the
seniors Guaranteed Income Supplement, if a senior doesn't qualify for
that supplement, then that always that's also prevents them from
having access to the government drug card as well. So

(35:27):
now you know, I mean they if they get a
dollar or five dollars on the supplements and they're eligible
for the drug card. If they don't get anything, then
they're not eligible. So those seniors then have to make
a choice, well, do I get my prescription drugs this month,
do I pay my heat or do I eat.

Speaker 6 (35:49):
Right?

Speaker 7 (35:50):
So you know, the seniors shouldn't have to make those choices.
And we are regularly seeing an increase in senior citizens
having to avail up the services of food banks. And
you know, it's absolutely heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking to have, you know,
to have the seniors having to come to food banks

(36:10):
or anyone for that matter. But you know, I mean,
I take calls at my office from seniors who worked
during their lives or I'm you know, a fixed income
right now, just not able to make ends meet and
actually in tears on his own like this is what
keeps me up that night. Right they're in tiers like

(36:34):
I can't believe I have to go to the doors
of the food bank. I've never had to do this
before in my life. So you know, when we hear
stories like that, it's absolutely heartbreaking. I had one in
particular that you know, as a senior couple, both were ill.

(36:55):
They had meeting in four days. In four days, and
you know, it was just absolutely heartbreaking, and I actually left,
went bought groceries.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
And brought us to that couple.

Speaker 7 (37:08):
And when the lady came to the door, it broke
my heart because she was so weak that she could
barely take the bags of groceries that I brought. And
you know, so we're seeing this, we're seeing this on
the front lines. We you know, had to we had
to have these hair conversations and you know, find a

(37:29):
solution is how do we how do we prevent this
from happening?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
No question. I hear the stories all the time too,
probably not to the frequency you do, Tina, but we
hear them here. I can tell you that much. I
appreciate you making time for the program's Warningtine. Anything else
you'd like to.

Speaker 7 (37:45):
Say, Well, I'd like to say the government, you know
that really like we would invite any of the government leaders,
any of the members of government to come visit us
and to fit with us and have talks like this
and come come to our warehouse see what we do

(38:08):
and the impact that that has in the community throughout
new Land and Maprador. So at any time we certainly
would invite anybody to come and see our operation and
the impact that it has.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Keep up the good work to you. I appreciate your time.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
Thank you so much, Patty.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Welcome by Biek you too, the indivisial general manager at
the Community Food Sharing Association and they support I think
someone enabled to forty seven different food banks here in
the province those of you in the queue talking about
the election or the MoU and a couple of candidates.
You stay right there, don't go away. Welcome back to
the show. Let's go at the sparks fly in line
number three. Forny con O'Brien are on the air.

Speaker 6 (38:47):

Speaker 8 (38:48):
How are you, boy?

Speaker 2 (38:49):
That's kind? How about you and you hear me A
long time? No see, yes, it's been too long time.

Speaker 8 (38:54):
In the one I haven't been. I haven't talked to
you in a while, and you know, the interesting times.
I was just thinking about about you as I was
sitting here. I'm celebrating thirty five years with the band
this year, and I can remember running in you at
Has to Be and Jasper thirty years ago, and it's like,

(39:15):
you knows a lot of times passed by, and that's
an interesting thing. We're only little boys, Patty back then.
I can tell you that.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, we both went to school together past tenth too.
I remember that night They Have to Be Kind. I
got a shot off from the stage. I was like
a big superstar amongst my buddies at the bar that night. Wow,
you know conn.

Speaker 8 (39:31):
Yeah, oh, everybody, that was an interesting thing. But now
that's not what I'm calling about this morning. In the meantime,
you know' I'm heading to a rehearsal for the Christmas
tour this morning, But I do want to talk for
a few minutes about the m ou and and I

(39:51):
guess the discussion that's surrounding that showing the election. You know,
the people of Newfoundland and Labrador, you know he got
We have to ask yourself. You are children, and our
grandchildren have a two hundred and twenty five billion dollar
brush with Quebec and want to tell you mine don't.
I'm actually I'm hoping that my boys will be among

(40:15):
the ten thousand of our people who will get to
work on future development of the Churchill River. Now our generation,
me and you, I was born three years before the
first Upper Churchill Deal was signed. You and I are
among the people who missed out on the vast opportunities
that a fair and equitable deal for the Labrador power

(40:37):
should have been afforded. It was blindly taken away with
the stroke of a ham. A short sighted and a
tragic multi billion dollar mistake was made on our behalf,
and we didn't see what potentially could have been a
much better time for us growing up. Since then, as
you've mentioned many many times, every premier that has been

(40:58):
installed Installed and Federation Hill has tried without success to
write a multi billion dollars a day. Poor battles were lost,
Newfoundland and labrad Orbits dismissed and sent packing told a
weight unto the term of the old deal was up.
It made a lot of people, rightfully, very angry, and

(41:20):
that's understandable. I'll be seventy six years old if I'm
still alive in twenty forty one, my eldest boy in Martin,
and we'll be thirty six. Hopefully by that time I'll
have a few little grandchildren. Won the round, one of
our former premiers decided to outsmart them all. He took
a big pile of one time profit again from offshore

(41:44):
oil and blindly went up in the wilds of labrad Orbits,
you know, with the money that took crowd of the
Italians and probably we went through close to fourteen billion
dollars and doubled the six point two billion dollars that
we were told must breadfalls. A cost that was to
show the gang Quebec, who's bus the same for us
still running around the problems like stall to get interfering

(42:06):
in the general election, trying to relieve some sort of terrible
she has for Big Beg Quebec. I mean, I don't
understand it. Most bread faults left us with double light
builds that now have to be mitigated out of the
Conference of the of the of the Governments for the
next fifty or sixty years. That adds kinds of billions
to let's get to Big Quebec side of the Daally

(42:27):
sheet as anyways, that that's another story and you can
tell you and I've talked about that a lot now
comes along our first chance as a great in trying
to you know, square up the old deal. We're never
going to get back the money that we didn't realize Quebec.
And by the way, we have to do a deal
with Quebec. We can't go over it, we can't go
under it. We have to get that power to market,

(42:50):
so we have to go we have to go through
that territory. The fun we finally got them at the table.
We have experts that we have at the the use
landl Laborador Hydro negotiate negotiating the framework for more the
MoU which is not a deal. It's just a framework
that we're deal and we have that seed at the table,
and the insuing negotiations that are going now yield to

(43:13):
us our first chance to get out of that old
for Coni in nineteen sixty nine deal seventeen years early.
It's that's that's a lot, that's a that's the.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
Hope for.

Speaker 9 (43:26):
It.

Speaker 8 (43:26):
Amazing. It gets us an average too, about a billion
and in le till that seventeen years is up. And
we've been waiting for over five decades for this chance,
you know, So it's a long time coming. We've been
told that over the next five decades two hundred and
twenty five billion dollars will come our way. That's two

(43:46):
hundred thousand and two hundred and fifteen million dollars. That's
nearly a quarter of a trillion dollars. That's a lot
of money.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
A lot of that is back ended though, too, right,
So we wait a long time for those big, big
numbers to flow. Because I mean, we're talking about annualize average,
so it says the MoU and Miss Williams and Carl
Smith and otherwise, so average billion dollars until twenty forty one.
Then around twenty forty four, we go in and around
two billion dollars six billion come twenty sixty, but a

(44:15):
backloads fears. Some people call, let me just make a
couple of quick points here. When we start these conversations
about the Upper Churchill Memorandum of Understanding, Muskrat fall still
looms large over our head. There's a bit of fear
just stoked in with development on the Churchill River. Then
you add in the boogeyman that is Quebec for so
many people, and then we get off to a really

(44:36):
rocky start and try to discuss it as opposed to
look at this as it stands, expansion at the Upper
Churchill and the potential to develop Call Island and all
the transmission and all that's included in the MoU. Because
when Quebec and muskrat is part of the conversation, that
just stokes a lot of fear in people. People have
long memories and a lot of distrust to mega projects
and a lot of distrust in the profits of Quebec,

(44:57):
which has made this extremely complicated issue even more so complicated.

Speaker 8 (45:03):
Well, I agree, Petty. I mean, you know, you know me,
I really studied hard the musk Bread fault issue. You know,
you know where I was on it, Uh, and I'm here,
I'm here today, you know, Uh sort of e eminently
opposed to some of the people that I worked and
and you know, spent time with on that. But I mean,

(45:24):
you know, there's there's there is hope. This this framework,
in this memou is the is something that's not a deal,
but we have to see with and take take the chance. Uh,
you know, I mean, it's it's it's a lot, it's
a lot to take up. It's complicated, you know, things
about the about the in particular, the thing that frightens

(45:46):
me most well what made me kind of put my
ears up and start delving into that run. I've read
several thousand pages in the last ten days about it,
as I wasn't up to speed, and I'm working on it,
but I no means have all the answers, Petty, nobody does.
We're we're not all experts. We have our mind, we
have our mind about how it should go, and that's important.

(46:09):
But the thing that really upsets me is this idea
of a referendum on them OU or on that potential deal.
We had to leave that to the experts. We have
to hopefully get that done. You know, there's there's the
opportunity for the job as building it. There's there's the
money that can come from us. It had to agree

(46:31):
that there's something surely is more more than worth considering.
Either this mag the two, you know, could be a
godsend for our families and future direct generations. We can
take advantage of it now, and we don't have to
wait till twenty forty one for some of this.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
I think there's a lot of reasons why referendum is
not a great idea, and I mean, it's it's way
over my head, and I don't pretend to have all
the answers on this front, and I'm struggling. Well, I'm
doing my very best to try to be as informed
as possible, even just to formulate questions for those who
are opposed and or those who are proponents. We quickly
got to get to the news. You know, I think

(47:10):
the government in some form shot themselves in the foot
with the way they approached oversight and review, because, for instance,
look at the oversight panel itself, and you know, we've
had Mike Wilson in this program who resigned his position
there one of the advisory groups to the oversight panel.
Is JP Morgan Chase. Had the government said okay review
as opposed to let the panel deal with JP Morgan Chase,

(47:32):
why didn't the province just put it in JP Morgan's
Chase his hands? Period. I mean, there was plenty of
time for a six month pragmatic review identifying risks and
all the rest of it. So and I think had
that happened, there might probably wouldn't be as much consternation
out there as there is.

Speaker 8 (47:48):
Well, you know, you could could clearly be right, but
you know, this is the whole crops of this thing
for me, and the question the deal of default. The
mental question I'm asking is you know who gives any that.

Speaker 10 (48:05):
Did are right.

Speaker 8 (48:07):
To deprive our children and the people the new Foundland,
the Labrador and the opportunity to see a defit in
the deal and the new Church will falls. You know,
if the finalized deal is not good, we can walk
away from the table and find another way, like Presonier
Hope in the State of Other Night and and the
debate they clearly says it's it's certainly not an issue

(48:27):
that should be put to a referendum. I'm mutually beneficial.
I mean people, people that you know are upset with Quebec.
Fair enough, but if you're going to make a deal,
a deal has to be beneficial to both. It has
to be a good deal for both parties. And petty,
we can't be afraid.

Speaker 10 (48:46):
We have the.

Speaker 8 (48:47):
Expertise to negotiate a deal. We have the brains, we
have the broad the forged ahead. We have to at
least take a good look and see if we can
negotiate a fair and equitable deals Ecuador deal so future
generations can live here in a safe and prospect probably
and for many generations to come with a quarter trillion

(49:08):
dollars and ten thousand jobs on your line. You know,
we cannot sit back and just say, oh, we're not
going to look. Yeah, this is terrible to say.

Speaker 6 (49:17):
We have to look.

Speaker 8 (49:18):
Yeah, I'm not interested, and we can't be afraid to
look for.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I'm not interested in just flying blind here and you know,
blind faith or trust, but a careful examination, especially when
we arrive at the finiteth agreements. You know, we can
go back and forth on the MoU which is required discussion,
I would suggest, but when it becomes a contract, that
is just going to see pen to paper. Then it
becomes a different conversation because then we'll have a little
bit more of a better understanding of detailed issues regarding

(49:42):
inflation and pricing structures and market elasticity and all those
types of things that people are worried about. Kindom Lake
for the news, but it's good to hear from you.
Appreciate your time. Christmas show, look forward to it. See buddy,
it's kind of Brian. Let's take a break for the news.
We'll be come back. Radh Sharon is running for the
NDP and Virginia Pleasanville. Jamie Anger has been pretty patient.
He's running for the Tories out bureau ground back and

(50:04):
then a couple of callers about whatever they want to
talk about right after this, don't go away, Welcome back
to the show. It's put Laneum for five sigmas of
the NDP candidate run in Virginia Waters Pleasantville as Raj Sharon, Raj,
you're on the air.

Speaker 11 (50:17):
Good morning, Thank you so much for having me, and
I hope folks get out to vote on the fourteenth
if they haven't already.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Cious So no, just a little bit about.

Speaker 11 (50:26):
Me because some of the folks wouldn't have known me.
I've canvassed a lot of the district, so it's gone well.
I grew up in the East End and I went
to Van Nat and then all the way through to
mun in my case, and I did several degrees at month.
I was very happy to be here and growing up
and going to the institutions, like I did a computer
science degree and then a master's in environmental engineering and

(50:50):
environmental science, and Mike, that's like my career has been
in computer science and working in multiple industries and sectors
using it. And like why am am I running?

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Well?

Speaker 11 (51:01):
A big component of it. Like first of all, lots
of great discussion this morning on the MoU, but I
feel where's the independent review? We had a recommendation from
the LeBlanc inquiry, and like we know that we need
to have an independent review. So to me, the liberals
coming out in front talking about the MoU, it lacks

(51:24):
the process. The process is we got this recommendation, we
spent a lot of money in the inquiry and we should.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Be doing that.

Speaker 11 (51:30):
And then when I go door to door, obviously a
lot of people are talking about the healthcare system and
it's certainly it's not a system that can deal with
five hundred and fifty thousand people. It's it is the
system itself is insufficient. The people working and it have
been amazing and if it wasn't for that, it would

(51:52):
have collapsed a long time ago. So you know, we
need to as a lot of people, all the parties
are talking about hiring more or frontline workers, but not
only should we do that, but we should be listening
to the folks that are in the front line and
working with them to build a system.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
That we need.

Speaker 11 (52:08):
I mean, I find that fascinating. I've talked to many
people in the healthcare as you canvas, like a doctor
and nurses, and they go unhurt. And this has been
going on for some time. And then you know, we
don't do our housing targets, we don't meet them. You know,
we had a gym put forward, you know, to get

(52:31):
the Information Act to find out that we only did
eight of three hundred that were the targets. So what
I'm bringing in why I'm running is because like in
my industry, you can't go around being this unaccountable. You know,
you've got to be able to create aggressive targets. You've
got to meet them. You've got to see what the

(52:51):
return on all our spending is. How do you make
it better? And that's the idea that you progress each
quarter each year.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
And we just don't.

Speaker 11 (53:01):
You know, we're not a poor province. We're just poorly managed.
You know, if I think if we I sometimes talk
about it at the door when I say, let's just
do a thought experiment. Let's just think about like if
we told our grandparents, you know, from one hundred years ago,
you know, they would look at us and they go,
You've got streets, You've got schools, you've got medical schools

(53:24):
and nursing schools and other facilities. You are not poor,
You're just poorly managed. And so I'm running because I
want to bring the skills that I've developed in my
work that have been brought forward by the education that
I've had. You know, the education system also, you know,
it really needs to get investment from elementary all the

(53:47):
way to college and university. And we don't do that investment.
You know, it's not going to help us in the
long term. We know that the investment in the sixties
and seventies and eighties of paid dividends. Now from the
forties onward, right, so it's just baffling. So we shouldn't

(54:07):
be having some of these discussions in twenty twenty five,
but unfortunately we are, and that's a big reason I'm.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Running Yeah, educational. I'm really disappointed, maybe a little bit
surprised that there's not more focus on the education system
because a lot of the things we worry about we
can achieve and solve many issues if we have a
highly educated population, and we really don't, which is really unfortunate.
Academic trends are falling for the last couple of decades.

(54:34):
You know, when we talk about investment sometimes I think
for me, when we look simply at the amount of
money we spend on things that we're kind of maybe
missing some of the point here. Same thing with healthcare.
I mean, we spend over four billion dollars a year,
So it might not be the money, it might be
the structure. Same thing inside the propac's classrooms until we
deal with honestly and openly class composition and class size,

(54:57):
which is going to require some additional spend into the future.
But we got to get the structure right because turn
of the structure is not working. So you know, just
saying if we spend one billion dollars, but if we
spend one point five to be better, maybe not because
unless the structure changes, money's just going to be spent
on the same old issues that have seen academic trends
downard since two thousand and three.

Speaker 11 (55:15):
And just my opinion, no, no, no, I agree, and
that's why I like My biggest comment that resonates is
that we spend the money and not spend it wisely.
We look at how much money we spend today versus
when I started elementary school.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
It's just fascinating.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
It's great.

Speaker 11 (55:33):
So we have all this more money to spend, but
we're not structurally spending it. We have a structural problem
in the way we deliver healthcare and education. So to
your point, I totally agree. I'm not advocating, and as
you know, the NDP came out with a costed platform.
The point here is it isn't that we spend more money.

(55:54):
We just need to learn to spend it wisely. We
need to listen to people that are in the system
so that it pricks up. And right now, when you
talk to people that are in the public sector, whether
it's education or the civil service or in healthcare, they
feel or they live this reality that it's not percolating up,

(56:16):
it's falling on effectively deaf ears and then we can
see that, right, I mean, we know that that's the case.
And I'm all about action here, right. That's why I'm
running because I can't handle it anymore. And I want
my children to grow up in a society, or our
children to grow up in a society where they want

(56:38):
to stay and not feel it they's best for them
to move.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
That's the goal. I'd like for my children to be
able to make a prosperous, healthy, happy life here in
this province as well. Raj, good luck on the campaign trail.
Appreciate your time.

Speaker 11 (56:51):
Thank you so much, take care, thanks for the show.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Thank you much. Rash Sharon run for the NDP, Virgina Waters,
pleasant Ville. Those of you on the queue, stay right there,
get to you right after this. Don't go in. Welcome back.
Let's go to light number three. Joshua, you're on the air.
Hello jerious Joshua, Hello Joshua on line number three. You're
on the air. You were. Let's go to LNE number six.

(57:17):
Sigamores the PC candidate running Bure and Grand Bank. And
that's Jamie Ingram, Jamie, you're on the air.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Thank you, mister Daily for having me today.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Pleasure call me Patty. Yeah, okay, Patty.

Speaker 12 (57:29):
So I'm not a first time caller to your shore,
to your show, but the first time caller as a
candidate running.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
In an election.

Speaker 12 (57:38):
So I'm excited to call in and just reach out
to the people in my district. No, no, I'll be
there from and I'm a fiter and I don't stray
away from the tough conversations and situations, and I'll definitely
be a voice for the people. And you know, the
main reason I decided to run for politics is there

(58:00):
so much issues going on in our area when it
comes to crime and addictions, and then you add on
the healthcare and the cost of living and a bunch
of other issues around the district. And I start trying
to lead a little public fight against the crime here

(58:21):
and fortune and try to get something done with the
addiction issue here, and a lot of people came, and
you know, I tried to encourage me to run for politics,
and here I am today.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
So when we talk about crime and drug addiction, what
have you in your region? What do you talk about
in so far? As potential fixes or solutions that are
make things better.

Speaker 12 (58:42):
Well right now, there's no real local support for detox,
rehabilitation of sober living. There is some minor services here,
but if anyone want to go and get detox for
you know, the nearest place maybe Harbor Grace.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
When they do get accepted, there's.

Speaker 12 (58:59):
No's provided data range themselves. I'm sure if they work,
you know, work with the crowd, they could probably do something,
but that takes a lot of coordination and so I'm
going through addictions don't have that.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
Ability to do that.

Speaker 12 (59:13):
And you know, we need a local detoc center here
where when people is ready to decide to come clean,
they're not waiting three or four weeks to get in,
and they can get in when they want to get in,
because that's when it's going to be most effective. When
they decide to want to try and be clean, that's
usually the most effective time to work with someone and

(59:35):
being around a support structure of friends and family who
can support them going through the process. But we also
lack a lot of I guess infrastructure and resources on rehabilitation.
So you know, once you get clean, you know, the
realization comes to you you made a lot of bad choices.

(59:57):
There's a lot of impact that come out of the
and people. It's hard to get past that as a person.
You know, you do think that most people are human
beings and don't like doing things that you know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Come out of having a bad addiction.

Speaker 12 (01:00:12):
You know, your mind doesn't rationalize the same way as
if you're in the sober mind, and people have to
feel self.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Worth and stuff like that.

Speaker 12 (01:00:23):
So you know, just working with people, build a self work,
make sure there's a rehabilitation process there that continues to
work with the people and sober living. There's no real
sober living structure here, very.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Little on the entire island.

Speaker 12 (01:00:39):
And there's some good working models in other provinces like
Immatant where they have sober living homes where people are
trained and the homeless meet certain standards where they can
come in. So it's not like building a bunch of
infrastructures trying to come up with a real game plan.
And I'm no drug addiction counselor, I'm not a psychologists,

(01:01:01):
but just talking to a lot of the you know,
people impacted by addictions, talking to a lot of successful
addicts who beat addictions and for long periods of time
and even talk to people who's going through addictions. You know,
we need to focus on that and the addiction issues
creating instance of crime because when when you know you're
suffering from addiction, the addiction you know, override or rationalization

(01:01:24):
and committing crimes to get money to avail of getting
more drugs. The impact to children's and families from a
drug addiction. Parents seeing their child going through it like
an addict affects so many people, and you know themselves greatly,
but there's a lot of other people. So fixing and

(01:01:44):
helping the addiction issues very key, and starting at an
education level because people are very shocked to understand that
their children know more about drugs this day in grade
five and six than we ever did, and getting to
them early and how that method is passed on to kids.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
They are not my expertise by no means. So we
need some good, joint, meaningful.

Speaker 12 (01:02:04):
Consultation on how do we go about this the most
efficient way. It's not jumping throw out money into items
that don't work, because that's that's what's been going on
for too many years.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
We don't really sit down and make sure we're.

Speaker 12 (01:02:16):
Going to get the right outcome, and uh you know,
you have to if you do put in actions in place,
measure them and see if they work, and they don't work,
see why they don't work, and fix that root cause
and put in the actions that will work. And you've
got to continuously measure and and that's what's going on now.
They put in actions in place and good intent, but

(01:02:37):
if you don't get the result, and then there's not
much point to continue that. You have to continuously prove
on what you're doing. And that's a there's a proactive approach,
and there's a a I've got a quality management work background,
so I always have thought of that and usually everyday life.
But I think I think, you know, dealing with the
addiction issue, getting the education on addictions uh more at

(01:03:00):
the forefront will also help us with crime reduction, also
reduce our healthcare stream after a while. At the beginning,
it may add more impact, but people's got to understand
that is a thing that affect in all the new
for land and it is having a big social and
economic impact to our province. And you know, it's something

(01:03:22):
that can be dealt with with the right approach. And
I'm no expert, but I think, you know, joint meaningful
consultation with the great people and making sure we look
at other models that's working is key, and those experts
are willing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
To come in and say this is what we've got done,
this is how it works. It may not be exactly
the way we need to do.

Speaker 12 (01:03:41):
It here because cultural culture makes a big impact on
how you deal with indections. But you know, I just
think we're not dealing with properly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Yeah, I mean, not to split hairs, But bad decisions
happen once you become addicted. Because some people start on
a doctor's prescription pad, which is important to add to
the conversation, which makes people like the Sackler family Purdue
Pharmacy some of the most evil people amongst us. Right,
So there's variety ways where people find themselves all of
a sudden addicted to an extremely dangerous substance. Yes, bad

(01:04:12):
decisions can be made. If you were a Friday night
weekend warrior and all of a sudden, cocaine was a
Friday night binge and now it's an everyday binge and
you end up in Marie with a gun. So there's
the addicious conversation. Doesn't get enough attention. As far as
I'm concerned, Jamie, I got to take another call, but
I wish you good luck on the campaign and appreciate
your time. Thank you very much, my pleasure. Bye bye,

(01:04:33):
Jamie Ingram running for the PCs and you're on Grand Bank.
Let's go to lighte number three. Joshua, you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (01:04:39):
Hi, Patty, sorry for making you a moment Ago, I
very much appreciate you give me a callback and your
staff for calling me back from yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
To check my father.

Speaker 13 (01:04:50):
So if a just recap the other night, I called
ambulance to see my father down in Petty Harbor. Now,
my father lives up over for stairs up over a rock,
which is power for the course for a lot of
the people living in Petty Hybromatics Cove. Basically, my father
had very low blood ox levels and he was having

(01:05:14):
some trouble and wasn't in a good way.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
Fire rescue showed up because I requested a stericist.

Speaker 13 (01:05:21):
They assessed them as a not good condition and when
the paramedics got there and I guided them up, my
father was on one hundre present oxygen and basically the
paramedics decided after taking report from the qualified fire rescue operators.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
They decided to do their.

Speaker 13 (01:05:43):
Own check and check them out, even though the report
that they were given to any reasonable person who I've
spoken to who works in the paramedic industry or health industry,
I spoken to multiple nurse practitioners, paramedics, senior paramedics. They
all say that the situation was not handled properly and
he should have been taken to the hospital.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
So basically, the paramedics left.

Speaker 13 (01:06:05):
And I was left to bring my father up over
a flight in the corner of stairs by myself. Now
I'm a young man, I can get him up there.
That's not the issue. The issue was my father's condition,
And basically I got him up over the stairs and
he couldn't regain control of his breath. I had to
lift him across to the chair and just get him

(01:06:29):
comfortable and try and make sure he's good for the night.
So the following morning, well, basically, the paramedics. My issue
is the paramedics convinced.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
My father not to go to the hospital.

Speaker 13 (01:06:43):
One of the paramedics commiserated with him about a chest
infection that she had had, and I said that he
just needs to give time for the medication.

Speaker 7 (01:06:51):
To work.

Speaker 13 (01:06:53):
My father's not a young man.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
He is a smoker.

Speaker 13 (01:06:58):
He's not diagnosed with CPO COPD, but.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
He should have been treated as though he was.

Speaker 13 (01:07:04):
I I did ask them to treat him as though
he were a smoker.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
But I don't know whether that was.

Speaker 13 (01:07:12):
Heated or not. I won't say one way or another.

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
But I took him to the hospital.

Speaker 13 (01:07:16):
The following day, we called in the ambulance again. They
came in and they ended up taking him into the hospital.
And now my father needs to be on supplement to
the oxygen in order to keep his oxygen.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Sets above.

Speaker 13 (01:07:32):
Danger levels. My point of calling.

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
Is to say that.

Speaker 13 (01:07:41):
Paramedics should not be convincing people to not go to
the hospital. And this is not proper form. As to
the best of my knowledge and the and the consultations
that I've done, this.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
Was not handled properly.

Speaker 13 (01:07:57):
I did get the chance to speak to Cheryl O'Brien yesterday,
and might I say, I may not.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
Be your typical liberal voter.

Speaker 13 (01:08:05):
I very much would like to vote PC, but I
am conflicted. But Cheryl, she did a fantastic job yesterday.
Her level of empathy shows and she understands that being
responsible and being a good representative of your constituents is

(01:08:25):
not always knowing the answers firsthand, but listening, showing empathy,
and knowing that they need to consult the proper people. So, Cheryl,
thank you so much for yesterday. The paramedics that took
my father into the hospital, the staff at the hospital
have been fantastic. They have a new ambassador at the

(01:08:48):
hospital where they can if you have someone who's on
off oul delay and you're not allowed to be in
with them, they will provide you information, they will back
you up, they will keep you updated. It's a fantastic program.
I'm very much appreciated of it. Whoever came up with it,

(01:09:11):
that should be on your yearly review.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Yeah, these patient navigators were ambacheador's as some people refer
to them. I mean, when you're already stressed to the
max because a loved one is ill, the lack of
communication information makes things absolutely worse. So this really helps
on with you one hundred percent. Anything else you'd like
to add while we happy, Joshua, The.

Speaker 13 (01:09:32):
Only thing that I would like to add is twofold
very quickly. One. If you're a if you are a
parent and you have older children, or if any if anyone,
if someone calls an ambulance for you, just go, just go,
Because if my mother and I did not have the

(01:09:54):
strength convince.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
My father, it could have been very worse.

Speaker 13 (01:09:56):
The other thing. Finally, very quickly, any politicians out there,
I then you have some high powered guests this morning.
Please please, I've said this to you at my door.
Bring your politics to the center. We all have our priorities,
but we need to work together as Canadians, come together
in the center as much as possible, and to talk.

(01:10:18):
We need to get back to talking on all sides.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Yeah, as opposed to talking at each other. Maybe talking
with each other is a probably a pretty good starting point. Joshua,
I appreciate the time and the points. Hope your dad's
doing well.

Speaker 13 (01:10:30):
Thank you so much, Patty, you have a great day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Same to you. Bye bye. All right, let's get to
the break. Well we come back. He's taking the show
on the road Rick Mercer and Friends with the Standard
for Canada Comedy Tour. Rick sim the Q Doctor John
Gale is a geological engineer wants to discuss the Upper
Churchill Memorandum of Understanding. Darrel also wants to chip in
on the MoU Ken has the overall views about the
provincial election. Then yesterday, yet again another sheltering place here

(01:10:53):
in the city of Saint John's. Sometimes we've got to
get the words right. People are being asked to shelter
in places, order to shelter in place. But of course
when that comes from law enforcement, probably a very good
idea to lock your doors, lock your windows, stay where
you were those calls then you right after this, welcome
back to the program. Let's go to line number three.

(01:11:14):
Say good morning to one of our Probabs's favorite songs,
Rick Mercer ricked around the air. Good morning, Patty, how
are you? That's kind today? How you doing?

Speaker 14 (01:11:22):
I'm great, Thanks for making the time for me. And
I tell you the last you know. I'm a regular listener.
But the last couple of weeks that the show has
been on fire, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
There's a lot going on. It was drinking from a
fire a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
There's a lot to unpack.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
No doubt about it. So let's lighten the load a
little bit. And what's going on with a stand up
for Canada Comedy Tour.

Speaker 14 (01:11:43):
Well, I went out on the road near the beginning
of September, I opened in Saskatchewan. I'm going right across
the country. I headed west and I came back across
the country.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
I've been playing in you know.

Speaker 14 (01:11:56):
Big shows in Calgary and Edmonton, in Ottawa and Toronto
and Kitchener and all the way across. And now I'm
in Atlantic Canada and you know, playing in Newfland on
what the nineteenth now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
But you know, when the headline is stand up for Canada.
With everything that's going on, and there is a lot,
I don't know if it's easier or harder to find
comedy in it.

Speaker 14 (01:12:19):
Well, I haven't changed my act. You know, a lot
of comedy is about tearing down and listen.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
I like that as much as the next fella.

Speaker 14 (01:12:26):
But when I got the TV show, I kind of
decided to take a road that was very celebratory, accenting
the positive about the country, celebrating the country. And so
I haven't changed. But I think that there's a need
for that more than ever because these are as, you say,
very interesting times, and there's a lot of anxiety about
the future, there's a lot of anxiety about a relationship

(01:12:47):
with the States, and comedy it's a great time for comedy,
there's no doubt about it, and audiences are coming out
and I can sense it, you know, when I'm talking
about these themes, they're.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
Just they're just loving it. It's it's been a g experience.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
There's a couple of things that really disarmed the highly
polarized world music and comedy. For me, to be honest
with think, I'll throw sports in there as well, because
sports doesn't matter who you're going to vote for. So
you've got a couple of friends in Toe's well, including
someone who's just broke the glass ceiling, so to speak.

Speaker 14 (01:13:16):
Well, yeah, I got three incredible comedians that I'm touring with.
Sophie Buddle is one of my favorite comedians of all time.
She's the first woman to win the Juneo Award for
Best Comedy Album. She's just done. She's done Kimmel, she's
done The Tonight Show. She just toured Europe. She came
out on the road with me five years ago as
a fill in and she was playing clubs in Ottawa.

(01:13:37):
She's a very young woman and now she's a superstar.
She's it's only because we've been planning this for a
year and a half that we got her because she's
one of the most in demand comedians that's out there
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Very very funny woman.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
And mat s.

Speaker 14 (01:13:51):
Galoney also nominated for a Juneo Award for Best Comedy Album.
And Julie kim really funny woman, who's like just touring
the world now stop. So I'm really lucky and I'm
the old guy. They're the young ones and it's great fun.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
He mentioned Kim O. I don't even know if we
should or want to talk about it, but you know
the way that things have been broached when people are
talking about freedom of expression and free speech and all
the rest of it, we're going down a tricky path
at this moment in history. You should be all speaking
our mind quite clearly. Now. Of course, there's parameters and
repercautions for what you say and how you say it.

(01:14:27):
But this whole bit about clamping down and what we
can say, even clamping down and what we copparently can
think is getting a little bit that hand.

Speaker 14 (01:14:37):
It's a very strange turn of events, there's no doubt
about it. You know, lots of people are critical about
the CBC, for example, over the years, but I mean
I was there with twenty two minutes and then I
was there with the Mercery Report for a very long
time and never once, not even once, was there a
width of telling me that I should back off, I
should walk something back, I should stop saying a certain thing.

(01:14:57):
And it wasn't there. It wasn't definitely wasn't there from
the network, and it didn't come from the Prime Minister's
office either. There was lots of times that you heard
from people who work in the Prime Minister's office and
they weren't happy. Whether it was Paul Merton's office, or
Kretschen's office or Stephen Harper's, they weren't happy. But they
were just calling you up to tell you you were
a jerk. They weren't calling you up to say stop

(01:15:18):
saying that or there'll be consequences.

Speaker 5 (01:15:20):
It just wasn't even considered.

Speaker 14 (01:15:22):
So that was a very worrisome turn of events to
see that happen.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Yeah, I don't know how he put the genie back
in the bottle, but I'm not going to go too
far down that path. What else you want to talk
about while.

Speaker 14 (01:15:32):
We have you, Rick, Well, listen, I'm just glad you
made the time for me. It's been a great tour.
I'm like I'm just happy I'm still working. The first
time I went out on a big comedy tour and
I did the Math, was like twenty one years ago,
seven months and we played the Arts and Culture Center then,
and I tell you it was a huge thrill and
I can't wait to get back there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
So give us an idea where you were playing here
in the province before we'd let you go.

Speaker 14 (01:15:56):
I'm just it's just one date in Saint John's on
the nineteenth, but we're doing at four o'clock show because
we added the show. So the show's at seven thirty,
but we added a four o'clock show, which I love.
You can be home watching.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
Wheel by the show is over.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
It's great at four o'clock show.

Speaker 14 (01:16:12):
My god, I wish they were all four o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Yeah, and Wheel There's nothing quite like a bit of
an intoxicated pat, say Jack to make the world go around. Rick,
great to have you on the show. Break a leg
out there, and then nice to speak for you this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Okay, thanks very much, bye bye bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
All right, what am I doing here? Dave? Going to
the break? Okay we're a little bit early, but hey,
going to the break early. Let's check in on Twitter.
We're VOSM upload you know what to do. Email addresses
open on a VOSM dot com. Plenty of emails floating
here today. There are some people asking questions about trying
to call, trying to get in the queue, getting a
busy signal, and whatnot. It has been a pretty brisk
busy day here for Dave. So if you're getting that

(01:16:48):
signal or it says your call can't be connected, that's
just the volume of calls today, So please do try again.
We appreciate your patience and hopefully we'll get a chance
to speak with you this morning. Don't go away, Welcome back.
Let's go to Lene right SA. Good morning to doctor
John Gale, a geological engineer joining us this morning, and
good morning doctor Gale. You're on the air. Good morning,
Good morning too.

Speaker 15 (01:17:07):
I guess I'm going to make some comments on the MoU. First,
I'd like to say that the you know, the existing
Churchill Falls a hydro power plant is probably one of
the really great examples of plant in the world. It's
got a fantastic large reservoir, the smaller reservoir, and it's
got a very large hydraulic head which generates cribit of power.

(01:17:28):
So the installed capacity is what I want to address,
is about fifty five thousand, three hundred megawats, but Quebec
wants us to increase that to about seven thousand megawats
by first changing out the turbines to give us another
five to fifty megawalks, and then by actually then building
a new powerhouse to the which is about give another

(01:17:49):
twelve hundred eleven hundred megawats of power. So the question
that we should be asking is that the current five thousand,
three hundred megabats is more than adequate, but these bines
to handle all the water that's stored in them as
available from the small Wood reservoir. So the what Quebecc
is really trying to get us to do is to

(01:18:09):
turn the small Woods the Churchill Falls power plant into
a peaking operation without any corresponding benefit to us in
terms of the rate per kil what hour. The So
first we assume that the change of the turbines at
a significant costs, which is i've heard is going to
be about two billion dollars. It's going to really add

(01:18:29):
debt to either Churchill Falls or into some group, and
that will come out of the revenue that'll be generated
by Churchill Falls by either by quebec reducing the rate
it tayos or by in fact direct charging it. So
the so that really the only eventually we may get
from the turbines that it might increase after the performance guarantee.
It might increase in fact the energy efficiency of the

(01:18:52):
turbines to give us the extra five and fifty megawatts.
But then so then then for example the power house
new powers be there's no extra water to run the
other turbines period. You know the base, you can build it,
there's no extra waters you will you will not get
anymore till what hours of power or energy and therefore

(01:19:12):
there'll be no extra charges for those because of no
extra kill about hours period. So the thing is here.
There's several questions. If you're going to use the Churchill
Falls power plant as peaking operation, then certainly what are
you going to do to the I guess the ability
of muskrat Falls to generate is power on a regular

(01:19:33):
basis that the peak peak operation, you store the water
is not going down river, it can't be used to
run the termminest muskrat falls. But more important is the
plan to blast blast in the rock, but two hundred
and fifty meters from the existing powerhouse, you know, a
new powerhouse at the same level and probably a similar size,

(01:19:53):
not quite as big, but for a large opening. And
the real question is what will be the impact of
that blasting and in terms of the compressional and share
ways that are being generated on the stability of the
powerhouse itself. And more importantly, there was when they when
they first build this powerhouse, they found a weak plane
of weakness in the in the in the pillar between

(01:20:14):
the surge chamber and the powerhouse, which we actually quite
a dangerous one. But they're able to stabilize that by
putting in some very big cable bolts and brought them
in place pretention to them. So they were stabilized a pillar.
So the question will be how can they guarantee us
that they will not destabilize that pillar, for example, or
or cause damage to the powerhouse. And who's going to

(01:20:35):
cover the cost of doing that?

Speaker 16 (01:20:37):
So really, these.

Speaker 15 (01:20:38):
Are the big, big issues, I mean, so really, uh,
that's where I would start with.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Okay, fair enough, and this is something that I would
have zero capacity to address personally with my professional background.
So is this suggested that it can't be done safely,
or you're just identifying a risk that we haven't heard
about yet.

Speaker 15 (01:21:01):
We're talking about the risk that we don't need to
put ourselves on there. For example, why would we if
we're not get any more any more kill about hours,
which is what we're won't be paid for, why would
we want to take the cost, accept the cost and
the risk probably running the risk to this power powerhouse itself.
I mean, it doesn't make no sense. I mean, we're
doing this for Quebec's benefit, but you know we're going

(01:21:22):
to be one carrying that can for it if we
can't basically can't to this same cause any damage and
you can't be done safely. I mean, I've not seen
any studies that show where people will guarantee the outcome
that there will there will be no risk to the plan.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
So just so I try, I'll try to understand on
the fly here if this does not benefit any side
with additional power being generated, then why is it even
a thing? So are you saying that the expansion that's
plant will not add any power to the grid?

Speaker 15 (01:21:55):
No, will we want to add any more exterrage kill
a what hours? But what it will do if I
allow Quebec to run this operation as a peaking operation,
store the water in the reservoir in the summertime and whatnot,
then run it through in a shorter period of time,
which is why they want to increase the capacity. They
need to run it through a shorter period of time,
they need to be able to have more termines, and
so there is really a peaking operation, and peaking power

(01:22:18):
is extremely valuable. But that's not being reflected in any
of the costs that are being put forward on a
perkilor what basis.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Hasn't this particular facility always operated as a peaking facility.

Speaker 15 (01:22:32):
No, it's always operated basically on preglow, an average low,
maybe some up and down, but certainly, I mean it's
probably not run it any more than probably eighty percent
of this to install capacity. So it's putting a capacity
in there for the extra water that might be generated
by any sort of climate change.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Yeah, I'm asking questions out of ignorance. So I mean,
just like in this problem, same thing with the province
of Quepeki in so far as consumption goes as consumption
of energy, they very much like us, see a peak
of in the winter months versus the summer months. So
that's where I think I was going mentally with, you know,
the whole concept of a peaking facility. So are you
saying that they run that particular plant that about eighty

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percent of its installed capacity.

Speaker 15 (01:23:12):
Year round, Well, that would be the average average usage
on a year round basis sort I think right now
we have this winter availability agreement which runs a lot
of water through winter time as well, but Quebec wants
to do one more through the wintertime, the peaking demand
for example, to meet their demand high demands. And so
the question is it entails risk, intail's costs, no real

(01:23:35):
benefit to this land or to the you know, to
the cfo COO.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
It's a fair point that I hadn't considered obviously with
my lack of knowledge in the geological world. But now
you know, because we've been fucking focusing in on price
and costs and value and financial benefit. There has been
very little conversation about the river itself, some conversation about
water rights how that's going to change, but engineering speaking,
very little thought give to it coming from the people

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that I speak with anyway, and specifically on this program.
So I'm glad you brought up this morning, doctor Gale,
So help me out one more time. If I was
to posed as a sync question to Newfland Labrador Hydro
on this front, what should I say?

Speaker 9 (01:24:15):
What?

Speaker 15 (01:24:16):
You would ask my guests?

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
What?

Speaker 15 (01:24:17):
What? What detailed studies that they've done that would show
that there will be no impact to the existing powerhouse
or the pillar between the surge chamber and the powerhouse.
And do they have the guarantees and the bonds in
place to support that guarantee for we have a damage,
for example, then the cost is covered. That's probably a

(01:24:38):
four or five billion dollars cost if they have to
do some repair work.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
I will do exactly that, doctor Gail, at the next opportunity.
Would you like to add to the conversation this morning while.

Speaker 15 (01:24:48):
We have you, Yeah, it's excel the bate questions the
question how how what would be an impact? I mean
this talk about water rights agreement, I mean that's a
bit of a joke with a probably Quebec will be
in control of the re Churchill River this thing go through,
so it we'll be seeding control forever to.

Speaker 16 (01:25:03):
Them and they'll be it.

Speaker 15 (01:25:04):
And so the water lights agreement or whatever it's water
use agreement, they'll be a bit of a farce, and
so basically muskrat falls will be actually, maybe it may
become a stranded accident. They don't get the water going
through the system, they can't use the water generate their
maximum output, for example. They will then be really in
dire shape.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Well, hydro electricity only works when the water's there, obviously,
So so I appreciate your time and perspective this morning.
Thank you for doing it. Okay, well, thanks you too,
Bye bye, doctor John Gale. That's an important engineering related
point that I hadn't considered, but now we will. Let's
go to line number two. Ken, you are on the air.
Good morning, Good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (01:25:48):
First, I'd like to congratulate Donnie Earle, only successful Wing
councilor in Ward five and a member of the community
within the Gouls. Now, I've been debating for the last
couple of weeks whether my vote will even count, you know,

(01:26:09):
in the upcoming provincial elections. Nobody seemed. Nobody seemed to
be addressing what's important to me. I mean one or they. Okay, yes,
there's cost of living, you know, food insecurity, and you
know the housing crisis, prices and stuff like that. But
one of the things that foremost in my mind is

(01:26:32):
the rise in crime now, and nobody seemed to be
addressing this, or at least to what I've what I've
listened to or watched, or videos that I've watched and
such until this morning. Okay, I thought, okay, does my
vote count. Nobody's addressing what's important to me, And what's

(01:26:55):
important to me is the rise of crime and nwflement.
Now allow me to I visited the new published PC
Conservative platform and I'm just going to read a paragraph
from titled Safer Communities. Okay, so every new Liner in

(01:27:20):
Labrador deserves to feel safe at home and in their community.
But after a decade of liberal inaction, crime, drug related violence,
and repeat offenders are on the rise. In fact, Marbrador
experienced the largest increase in overall crime rate of any

(01:27:40):
province in Canada. Newfland and Larbrador as evolved from a
province where people felt safe to leave their doors unlocked,
where once violence and crime was only on television, it's
now a very real fair for residents. Now I'm a senior, okay,

(01:28:01):
So my question to your listeners and yourself, who's committing
these crimes. Is it the professionals such as yourself or
the carpenter or the mechanic, or even singers, that is myself,
who's committing these crimes.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
I'm not entirely sure how to answer that. I'm not
going to be saucy by saying criminals. But the vast
majority of violent crime is being done by a very
small minority of people, generally speaking, has much to do
with drugs as about anything else. So, you know, in
so far as the crime rates growing up, it's demonstrably true.

(01:28:41):
But we don't see a lot of random violence here.
We see very targeted violence amongst the criminal element, and
again most of its surrounding drugs. I would suggest, you know,
like I think.

Speaker 6 (01:28:53):
I had the answer to my own on my own question,
Like I said, not the working class that include people
that work in the minimum like for minimum wage, and
say in the service sector, people such as yourself and
professionals that are out there you know, building our community
with like say housing and stuff like that, and and

(01:29:15):
the minimum wage are earners that work in the service sector.
They're not committing these crimes. Not, in my opinion. Most
of them have to work two jobs. They simply don't
have the time of the time. So who has the
time to go out and commit these crimes?

Speaker 10 (01:29:32):
Would a class of people?

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
I don't know. I think you have an answer forth coming.
Do you want to offer it?

Speaker 6 (01:29:39):
No? I, oh, I do have an answer. I've seen firsthand. Okay,
I live in a share accommodation in Googles, and I've
seen firsthand at who how these people are getting a
living for themselves, you know, like basically it comes from

(01:30:01):
the public purse.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Okay, So do you want me to read that only lines?

Speaker 6 (01:30:09):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:30:09):
Please?

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Okay. So you're saying people on social systems circummitting all
the crimes.

Speaker 6 (01:30:13):
And I didn't really didn't want to say that because
I mean that statement and I don't want to stigmatize
people that live on social as systems. Do you understand
what I'm saying? I do, But I think that I
think there's a system out there that's being taken advantage of. Okay,
okay by the criminal element. Okay, so we can we

(01:30:35):
can get on welfare and then we got time. But
there's so much involved there now, Patty. As I said,
when I started there, I was wondering about voting and
who's going to address my concerns, and one of my
big concerns is the criminal element, the rising crime. Okay,

(01:30:55):
now what I don't know if I read that to you,
but that's from the PEE page thirteen on the PC's
new new published platform. If you will, and I think
right now, Tony wakem and Is and the PC government

(01:31:16):
at my vote, I have decided.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Okay, simply because it's eleven o three. Anything else very
quickly before I get to the newscast.

Speaker 6 (01:31:27):
Lastly, Pattick, I want to commend you for like for
the great work that you're doing. I don't know, I
don't know how much time you spend the day, but
you're the most informed individual in Newfoundland by far, maybe
even Canada. You must spend hours and hours researching what

(01:31:49):
you're going to talk about. But even when someone like
me falls in and says and brings up topic, you've
seen that an answer or at least in opinion on
that ticular topic. So a big shout out to you, buddy.
You're sorry, I didn't even call you buddy, that's okay,
but big, big, big shout out to you. Maybe you

(01:32:09):
should consider going into politics, paggage.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
But your tongue can I appreciate the time. I'm off
to the news. Thanks for doing it.

Speaker 6 (01:32:19):
Yeah, all right, you have a great day.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
You too, Bye bye, all right late for the news.
Here it comes.

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Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
Welcome back. Let's go to line umber one collar you're
on the air.

Speaker 9 (01:32:46):
Hi, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
Hi there.

Speaker 9 (01:32:50):
I'm one of the residents that was in the sheltering
place yesterday and I have to say it was awful
and I want some advice. We had people that couldn't
go to work. We had children that couldn't get on
the bus. There was all kinds of firearms exposed in

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the street by the police in that which is understandable.
But you know, we have senior citizens living in fear
behind locked doors and windows, being curtains clothes for months
and months and months. We we're frustrated. We don't know
where to turn for those of us who sent emails

(01:33:33):
to the city. Danny Breen quoting the bylaws of the
city to have this house shut down. He has blocked
every single one of us. I want to know why,
Why are you not doing your job? How you got
elected again is beyond me. You're ignoring what's happening in
your city. These government run agencies, Patty that they're having

(01:34:00):
a failure of profit system. They're paying these slum landlords
crazy amounts of money. They know what's going on in
these houses. They've been send videos, they've been informed, they've
been contacted. But their attitude is harm reduction. Harm reduction

(01:34:21):
for who. It's not the people living in these neighborhoods.
When children can't play, people are scared to look out
their windows. I mean the fighting, the breaking windows, the screaming,
the drug trafficking is non stop.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
I know. Look, I really do not understand why the
city's lows to enforce the City of Saint John's Act.
You look from the sections two seventy five to eighty five,
and they very clearly have a lot of authority that
they don't utilize. And I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:34:56):
Why, And I mean it so it says something when
the mirror of your own city blocks its you know,
residents for asking these questions. We're blocked everyone that had
spoke to that has sent letters to the mirror has

(01:35:16):
been blocked. Why why are you ignoring this? How you
ever got it voted in, Danny Brien, I don't know,
But you know, as for these government agencies that are
putting these slum landlords patty major profits for them to
keep these houses open. I mean, that's paid on the

(01:35:37):
taxpayer's dollar. Why are they not having people? They occasionally
have people go to these houses, but they're given advanced
notice where you know, you see thirty forty people leave
these houses with bags so someone can come and inspect
these houses. And they seem to think, oh, it's all
okay until the door shut and all these people move

(01:36:00):
back in. Now, they may be paying for four or
five people per house, but let me tell you there
is probably fifteen to twenty people living in these houses.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
There certainly can be. I mean we've heard those stories
in the past. And again to your summary point, the
city has plenty of authority here. Sometimes you say, well
it's all got to be about the police. Well, the
city can initiate and some of the problems extend to
who the landlords are and the landlords turning a blind
eye to crime. In their homes just because they're getting
paid enormous amounts of rent money by whoever, whether it

(01:36:36):
be the province or otherwise. So obviously I understand it's
be a problem. And when I see stories like shelter
and place orders given yet again in very similar neighborhoods
yet again, of course I'm just glad sometimes I don't
live in those neighborhoods, but I feel for people who
do that much. I can tell you, in no uncertain terms,
anything else you want to say this morning while we
have you.

Speaker 9 (01:36:57):
Yes, the slum landlords that have these houses in these
places don't live in these neighborhoods. They don't understand the
real tirror and fear, and I mean take away our
peaceful enjoyment. Our children can't even go out and play anymore.
It's so much crime, it's so many and I hate

(01:37:19):
to say it, but there's zombies walking around in these neighborhoods.
There's needles everywhere, there's garbage everywhere. You know, something has
to be.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Done, points taken, an understood called. Are glad you made time.
I hope you're doing okay.

Speaker 9 (01:37:36):
Thank you so much, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
You're welcome by Bie yeah. I mean it was carefully
broking down by Mike Murray, former Crown Prosecutor, join us
on the program to walk us through some sections of
the city Saint John Zach which is the provincial legislation
regarding the operations here in the city and the authority
that they have that they seemingly will not utilize. I
have noworth the idea why you talk about political victory

(01:37:57):
and you talk about public safety, which of course we
hear people talk about all the time, whether it be
survey from the provincial Department of Justice and the survey
the residents of Saint John's. If people feel less safe,
and you have tools in your toolkit that can help
on that front, maybe just maybe you reach in and
grab on of those tools. Let's go ahead and take
a break, don't go away and welcome back to the show.

(01:38:17):
Let's go to Lee number four, Darrel Aer on the air.

Speaker 17 (01:38:20):
Oh hi, Patty, how are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
That's kind you good?

Speaker 17 (01:38:24):
Thanks and thanks for having me on your shoulder. You've
got a tremendous show going there as usual, and keep
up the great work, Patty. I want to talk about
this Upper Churchill deal and I'm hearing commentary like, come
twenty forty one, Quebec might be there to do a deal,
and I'm here. The commentary also like they might go

(01:38:46):
elsewhere if we don't make this deal. And to me
is it don't make total sense at all because when
you look at it now, that deal now to twenty
forty one, Quebec is getting billions of dollars worth millions.
So when you look at it, if Quebec had the
option to go elsewhere, they will go elsewhere. Plus the

(01:39:07):
wouldn't open up this contract and still make the mega
dollars from the Upper Churchill. Plus they will go elsewhere.
But the moral story is they got nowhere to go.
This is why they're coming here now open up the
contract and wanted to redo the deal because we went
through it since sixty nine, how many times we challenged
it and no gold they didn't want to hear tell that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
Now.

Speaker 17 (01:39:28):
They wanted to open up the contract because they need
the power because that Upper Churchill is a gym, and
the need the power because there's more and more demand
for power now like with tech companies and AI and
then there's big tech companies now that needs power more
than ever. So when you look at that actual essence,

(01:39:50):
like we're not hearing all this commentary like they go
elsewhere and all that if they could go elsewhere, like
this just said they will go elsewhere. Plus they wouldn't
have opened up that contract and make the to make
more money. So he had no other choice or he
got nowhere to go. He gotta come to us because
he got no ut choice.

Speaker 4 (01:40:07):
And I listened to.

Speaker 17 (01:40:08):
The past two collars before me are the doctor and
also this I really tuned into it. He made a
lot of sense what he said. But if this deal
goes through, I send to be corrected that the Muskrat
falls could become stagnant if Quebec gets the water rights.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
You correct me on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Yeah, that's not exactly what he said. I mean, we
asked Jennifer Williams about water rights and the need to
change into a water management system that's equitable to all
of the facilities, both the upper and gall and muskrat
So you know what exactly that looks like. I think
we're yet to have a full fulsome understanding of exactly
what that means. But that's where we have. Maybe the

(01:40:50):
character is slightly in front of the horse there when
we're talking about a non binding MoU versus a contract
that has hard and fast details that we're going to
need to carefully consider when it comes out. I don't
think it's I mean, I don't know how much energy
we should put into whether or not Quebec will move
on to the next best option, because they don't just
have to be in the world of hydro I mean,

(01:41:13):
they could be in the world of whatever source of energy.
And the reason that they came is because they need
the power, and they need the power sooner or later.
I mean, they're talking about commissioning gol Island if they
get at it at some point in the very in
near future, at twenty thirty five, there can probably be
other things built and producing energy for Hydro go Back
and their customers prior to it. So I don't know
what that might be in the world of small nuclear

(01:41:33):
reactors or whatever the case may be. But I don't
think we should dismiss the case the fact that they
may indeed move on.

Speaker 17 (01:41:40):
Yeah, Patty, you just made a good point. They came
back to us now because they need the power. So
we got the gym not only like Quebec, but all
over the world now is going to be more demand
for power when you look at climate change now it's
putting more restraint on the grid, egos, mining, whatever. So

(01:42:04):
we got the gym and I hope we you know,
we we really got to get this right because I mean,
we're signing as another fifty year contract. Now I stand
be corrected. I think when Quebec made deals with other
places or whatever, I think they ma actually went as
twenty years. So why are we going fifty Well, we
do a short term and then go back and renegotiate,
because you look at the nineteen sixty nine deal they

(01:42:26):
thought was good at the time. Then the seventies came,
then the markets changed.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
Yeah, there's allaying, but there are two different things. There's
outclauses in fifty one and sixty one. In addition to that,
when we talk about contracts they've entered into. If we're
talking about the provision of power, like I know they've
got one particular contract in the Northeastern United States with
one of the states for twenty five years locked in
that five cents to kill a lot hour. But that's
provision of power that they already generate. This is different

(01:42:51):
because this is also talking about you know, expanding at
the upper end building goals. So I mean if it
was us, would we enter into a contract with anybody
for much less than fifty if we're going to take
on the cost of developing God Island. Probably not. I
mean even costs and recovery on that twenty billion or
however much is going to cost. Is not overnight anything
else while we have.

Speaker 17 (01:43:11):
You dar well, no one other thing. I'd just like
to add that Leblack report. How can we pay thousands
of dollars for that? And it's just getting shell So
I mean we got to start taking a look at
all this and listen to all the professionals that are
versed in this industry, and listen to everybody in general,
because I don't care what plenty goes straight. At the

(01:43:32):
end of the day is the taxpayers, the people of
the province. We're the ones that got to benefit. And
like you said, just reiterate when you hear all this
commentary to go elsewhere, or they won't be there at
the table with us forty one. That's total nonsense because
they got no rush to go. They need our power
and this is.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
What you're back.

Speaker 17 (01:43:52):
Open up the contract and renegotiate it. And thank you
for your time, Patty, and happy Thanksgiving to you and staff.
We'll see him and the people.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
This land Labrador, you too, all the best star right,
thank you, You're welcome. Bye bye. All right John Deborro's
and the Cues of Chared h And now we're going
to save John for after the news because we're dedging
up against But let's go to the line number six
game morning to Tim, Timmy around the arak.

Speaker 18 (01:44:16):
Hey, Patty, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
That's kind man?

Speaker 18 (01:44:18):
You we're good Friday at noon, nothing like it or
not quite afternoon. I'll make it quick on you're busy man.
I just love to probably give some notice to the public.
There's I don't know if everybody knows the Challenge Cup
and Jubilee Trophy soccer national championships John this weekend. They
started on Wednesday, I believe, and we got fourteen represent
the province there with a shot to take home the

(01:44:40):
gold medal on home soil. Holy Cross May are playing
today four o'clock at King George. All the games are
King George fifth down on the lake. Would be an
amazing thing. Love to see the place full of people,
you know, just really cheering on the team New pland
holy Cross is playing BC today on the men's side
at four o'clock. They're in a position where they win,
they're playing they're likely in a metal game. If they lose,

(01:45:01):
target BC loses, they're eliminated from the tournament. So that
should be really good. And then the women's side of
holy Cross are up two two wins and no losses
thereafter getting gold medals in twenty twenty three and twenty
twenty two. On the national scale, there's gonna be some
great soccer on the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
Yeah. I know that holy Cross was successful against Halifax
beat him the other night's one nil, and I actually
watched through the fan. I just saw Happy to be
going to the grocery store and I remember Oh Challenge Cup,
so I had a quick peek in at it at conception.
Bayed South is also on the men's side as well.
Who's the other team on the female side with holy
Cross Saint John's Soccer Club. They're playing today block.

Speaker 18 (01:45:38):
Against Quebec and bot tomorrow against.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
Yeah. And you know it's probably my bad too that
I didn't give this a little more focus, because national
Championships is a big deal. To be hosting here and
you're right, and I'm glad you points it out. Holy
Cross has two in their back pocket here in the
last four years. So brilliant stuff from the last three years,
brilliant stuff on the women's side. And hopefully the men
can make a run out of PC, which is always
a good feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
Yeah, it'd be great.

Speaker 18 (01:46:04):
Want to highlight that the men took home a bronze
national bronze medal as well in twenty twenty two, which
is a huge event because the last medal was in
nineteen eighty nine silver and eighty eight and our national
gold with Johnny Brien. And though the break from who
you might be familiar with.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
This, I do know the boys and yeah, the one
of the nuts in the eighty eight and we had
someone on to talk about one of the reunions recently
and lom behold I showed up at work on morning
there was a beautiful red Holy Cross mug commemorating that
national championship back in eighty eight. And things have changed
in the world of soccer. I mean, and not be
graduating the legends of the past, but what was once

(01:46:43):
maybe a bit of slog ball and run your guts out.
We were actually producing a lot of footy talents around
here these days, which is great to see.

Speaker 18 (01:46:51):
There are some amazing girls coming out of here, a
couple of guys playing semi pro or even like you know,
top tier middles across the country.

Speaker 10 (01:46:56):
Yep, it's great soccer to watch.

Speaker 16 (01:46:59):
You know, Shandy and your seat.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
I think, really, I'm sorry, go ahead, Tim, I.

Speaker 10 (01:47:04):
Was just gonna say, I hope we take it home,
maybe do a great take went.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Home and home soil.

Speaker 18 (01:47:07):
I've been traveling to see my brother play in these tournaments.
It is probably twenty twelve, Holy Cross, man, they have
been thirteen years. I think there are thirteenth national since
twenty ten, so it's a really really important run.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
I guess who's your brother, Jake Warren? Oh cool? Nice? Yeah.
You know there's a couple of young fellows that I
know that my boys would have played with, like Ethan
Slaney and Jacob Grant, a couple of those guys. So
I do know some of the players, and I wish
both sides of the women's and the men's nothing but
the best to luck for the remainder of the national championships.
Good to have you on the show, Tim, thanks a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:47:40):
Yeah, shout up to Jacob Krepp.

Speaker 15 (01:47:42):
By the way, he scored the only.

Speaker 18 (01:47:43):
Goal against Caelifax there the weekend or the week it
was a beauty for just from outside the box.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
He's a beauty all the way around. I remember when
my boys, I guess it was Nicholas played with Jacob,
or maybe it was Jack, I can't remember. And you
could tell when he was quite young that he had it.
I mean he had the left and the right foot going.
He was quick, could think the game. I mean he
was the first kid I saw a score with a
header when they were like ten years old and thinking, Okay,
here we go. This guy complain.

Speaker 10 (01:48:07):
He's a talented man. Thanks so much for your time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Happy to have you on, Tim, Good luck and enjoy.
Thank you, You're welcome. Bye bye. All right, let's take
a break. When we come back, we're talking hospitality as
an election issue, and then we're speaking with you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
Don't away the Tim Power Show showing the conversation weekday afternoons.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
At four pm on your VOCM. Welcome back to the show.
Let's go to the line. Number five came went to
the Chair of Hospitality Newfoundland and Labradora's John Devereux. John,
you're on the air.

Speaker 10 (01:48:34):
Good morning, Patty. How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
That's kind you.

Speaker 19 (01:48:38):
We got a couple of important things I want to
get out. But first of all, nineteen eighty eight, Dicky Power.
You forgot his name there with dear chat with Tim
about holy Cross.

Speaker 20 (01:48:48):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:48:48):
He was a high school teacher in Chapacies.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
Oh, I didn't forget Ticky Power. Ticky was actually a
friend of mine.

Speaker 10 (01:48:54):
Yeah. Good, yeah, well he was my mentor. Yeah. So anyway,
I just want to show that way. And so they
won the national.

Speaker 19 (01:49:01):
Ball Hockey tournament championship that year too, So national.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
Soccer and Ball Hockey Indian Bears, wasn't it?

Speaker 10 (01:49:08):
Well, so Keith follows two teachers were at our school area.

Speaker 4 (01:49:12):
So cool, Okay.

Speaker 19 (01:49:13):
Anyway, I just want to get to some important points there,
and we know the election is coming up next week,
and we just want to reiterate how important tourism is
to the local economy. And I know what to you
this before, but we just want to let know, let
your listeners know how important and how much we contribute

(01:49:34):
to the local economy. So we bring in one point
four billion dollars annually to the provincial economy. That's representing
like one point seven percent GDP petty.

Speaker 10 (01:49:44):
So that's you know, we're not a small fry.

Speaker 19 (01:49:46):
So we just want all the leaders and all the
parties to understand that we support twenty thousand jobs. Twenty
thousand jobs in our industry. That's ten percent of all
employment across the business community in Newfune, Labrador. We have
twenty eight hundred businesses under our umbrella. So you know,

(01:50:10):
somebody t asked that we're asking our people, our politicians
to look at is again access.

Speaker 10 (01:50:18):
I spoke to you about this before.

Speaker 19 (01:50:20):
I think that's very important that we look at that
aspect of it all too.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
So there has been some increase in access, especially air,
and then there was some subsidies for intra provincial flights
as well last summer. I mean, I do think the
direct flights Paris and Dublin and Gatwick are absolutely important.
If we could only convince a carrier to give us
a direct flight in and out of Newark, boy, that
would be a game gener.

Speaker 19 (01:50:45):
I think there's a lot of work going on behind
the scenes. Again, we're not pretty to all this, but
I think New York Boston Eastern Cyboard anywhere I think
would be very important to business, with oil and gas,
with hospitality, everything, so that I think there's people working
on that behind the scenes too.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Yeah, I mean Boston's Logan would be one thing, but
Newark is probably the prime connection airport on the Eastern seaboard.
That's why I always go to Newark. But yeah, absolutely,
whether it be Logan or anywhere else. So what could
be an absolute game changer. I mean we're talking about
access to another what pick a number, fifteen million potential
visitors one hundred percent.

Speaker 19 (01:51:23):
Yeah, and we're so close geographically, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:51:29):
Yeah, so, but no, we just wanted to get that
out and let.

Speaker 19 (01:51:32):
Our politicians know that we're a very vital, important part
of the industry and new Fland Labrador and hospitality Newfland
Labrador is working dimingently behind the scenes. Let our membership
know that we've been talking to all parties and we
just wanted to wish everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:51:52):
Best of law.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Yeah, outside of access, I mean, you know, experience upon arrival.
The advertising in the world of tourism and travel is
as much word of mouth as anything else. So ensuring
that whether it be the place is clean and the
place is safe, the signage is clear. The infrastructure is
in place, because when someone goes home and says the
place was dirty, the food was bad, then their friends

(01:52:14):
aren't coming. So the government does play a role outside
of the hospitality operators themselves, even beyond access.

Speaker 10 (01:52:19):
Yeah, no, one hundred percent.

Speaker 19 (01:52:22):
And Patty in a what we had our AGM locally
at Jack Hotel for instance, of just throwing that one
out there, but what individual employment in the business has
bought to another levels, Like mister Steele has said, we
all got.

Speaker 10 (01:52:40):
To up our game.

Speaker 19 (01:52:41):
If we're doing amazing tourism commercials and everything like that,
we got to have service first and make sure that
our staff or trained properly, our rooms are clean, our
restaurants or fine dining and or whatever.

Speaker 10 (01:52:56):
But you know that that's what we're trying to get
out there.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
Yeah, listen in the hospitality is a growth industry, as
they say, so you know, working on the shoulder seasons
of what have you is also a big part of this. John,
appreciate the time. Anything else this.

Speaker 10 (01:53:09):
Morning, that's it.

Speaker 19 (01:53:10):
And the shoulder season is very important also.

Speaker 10 (01:53:13):
That's another aspect too.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
A good point, no question, Thanks for your time, John.

Speaker 10 (01:53:17):
Okay, Patty, thank you welcome, Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
Bye John Devereux, he's a chair at HNL Hospitality and
the new flannd Labrador. Let's go to line umber two.
Chris you around the air? Chris are you there? Chris sohold.
Let's go to Lineuber three, saging more to the liberal
candidate running up Mont Pearl Southland, Sarah Furlock Salary.

Speaker 7 (01:53:38):
You're on the air, Hi, Patty?

Speaker 20 (01:53:40):
How are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Okay? How about you?

Speaker 20 (01:53:42):
I'm doing great. I have just wanted to give you
a call and talk about how well their doors are
going and a couple of issues that I've heard, And
you know, I'm really excited to get into the house,
be a part of John Hogan's team and then that
way I can help make a friends.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
Let's take into an issue or too, go ahead, where
do you sure?

Speaker 7 (01:54:05):
So?

Speaker 20 (01:54:05):
Out of all the doors that I've knocked on, public
safety is certainly a huge aspect. It's happening now. Seniors, families,
children do not feel safe anymore in areas like in
Mount Pearl that we never thought that would happen. So
what's happening now is I'm knocking on the doors. I'm
hearing all of these stories, stories that I would not be.

(01:54:29):
I would never know this is happening right next door
to me kind of thing. So it goes back to
why I got involved in politics. I was always a
mental health advocate for up to ten years for sure,
with my own lived experience. I heard last week there's
need for those who have lived experience and lived disability experience.
That's why I decided to run because I have that

(01:54:52):
experience on the ground. I've spent numerous hours with families,
working with their children, working with folks who have needed
to get to the hospital, need it to have someone
to be that voice for them, whether that be through
the justice system, whether that be a grandparent who has
their children and their care, whether that be sitting next

(01:55:14):
to someone while they're in icee you for a full
week as their families not here. So those are the
types of things that I've done for several years that
you know, people don't hear about. So when people ask
me what is your experience, my experience is working directly
with the people, and my business experience is mental health
transformation as well as business transformation. I'm really looking forward

(01:55:38):
to getting in there and finding out how we can
get this problem clear so we know that we came
out with you know, ninety RNC officers twenty thirty. We're
also hearing, well, that doesn't impact my neighborhood. I live
on a great street. But the reality is is that
it does impact every child in school, in packs, the teachers,

(01:56:01):
It trickles down to different areas in the neighborhoods, and
I'm hearing it at the doors every day. One other
issue that I did hear is that there's an importance
to advocate for natural therapy and supplements through MCP. That's
something that hasn't brought to my attention. I also feel
that that's important, and I really think education is a

(01:56:24):
huge piece of preventative measures. I really you know, I
have the chats with my child about needles and types
and things to look out for. I really want to
advocate to make sure that not only parents know want
to look for how to scan for playgrounds. While we're
waiting for to get this issue cleared up, So I'm

(01:56:48):
ready to get in there. I'm ready to be the
voice to make that happen, and I'm looking forward to
hearing from all the people. So if you have any
specific concerns, anyone listening, you can call me directly at
seven two five six zero ninety one, and I'll certainly
voice that to the table with John Holgan.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
Yeah. I mean there's a lot of angles being taken
in that community safety, and a lot of them makes sense.
But the root causes of a lot of the violent
crime and things that we see, we don't get a
whole lot of that. We talk about hiring more cops,
we talk about hiring more crowd prosecutors. They're sort of
after the fact professionals as opposed to really trying to
have a better grasp on what's causing some of these

(01:57:28):
numbers despite the way we see, whether it be an
intimate partner of violence, whether it be drug related crime,
the amount of extortion that we see on the rise. So,
you know, a bit more root cause conversation is probably
also going to be very helpful, hopefully.

Speaker 20 (01:57:40):
Yeah. I agree with you, and I think that is
why affordability is so important right now.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
Poverty.

Speaker 20 (01:57:46):
It stems from poverty, It stems from trauma, intergenerational trauma.
It stems from not being able to get the work,
the jobs we need to create. I'm a huge advocate
and I sat with the All Party Committee last year
talking about enter the need for interdepartmental collaboration. So whether

(01:58:07):
that be education or justice, or healthcare, whether it's physical
or mental health, we know they're connected. So I'm looking
forward to being that gap, to help be that voice
so that everyone gets hurt and we're all working together.
It's important regardless of what party you stand for. I
think that we all have a common denominator here. We

(01:58:29):
want to live it comfortably, we want to be safe,
and we're looking.

Speaker 7 (01:58:34):
Out for our future.

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
I appreciate your time, Sarah. Good luck out there.

Speaker 21 (01:58:38):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 20 (01:58:39):
Hope everyone gets out to the polls on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
You're here.

Speaker 21 (01:58:42):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
You're welcome. Bye bye, bye bye. Sorry for long run
for the Liberals out in mont Pearl, Southlands. Final break
of the Morning of the week. Don't go away, Welcome
back to the show. Let's go to London number two. Chris,
you're on the air.

Speaker 16 (01:58:54):

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
Okay, how about you?

Speaker 16 (01:58:57):
God, so that did you watch the the other knighte
I did them surrending that came to your mind that
you didn't see there, such as Denyer Green report, Satan
that a few years ago we owed forty three billion
point three dollars. Is that correct today? Because I'm hearing
people call your show saying we owe twenty billion. I

(01:59:20):
would really like to know how much we do.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
All well, the numbers that are floating around. If we
simply talk about debt, then it's you know, just clear
at seventeen billion on its way to twenty billion. But
if you look at total liabilities, total debt, total financial exposure,
that number, as per rob Antel's reporting and numbers that
I'm trying to dig into a little deeper, it is
much harder than that. We are talking approaching fifty because

(01:59:44):
that's all the liabilities pensioned in otherwise, so you know,
debt is just one standalone item and how much money
we have?

Speaker 16 (01:59:51):
Okay to any pass pram your college show over the
last couple of weeks, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
One did who Sorry, I.

Speaker 16 (02:00:01):
Need the passed premiers that served? I know there was
one premier cause, but I didn't hear any others. Can
you tell me if any of the past premiers call?
Do you show on the on the on this memorandums, Yes,
that's the only man that called. Now where are the
rest of the voices? They're not out there? Well, let's

(02:00:25):
go back patty for the first premier. When he left office,
he left us with three hundred million dollars. The second
premier left us with two point five billion, the third
with five billion. The third came in and he was
tossed out of office. The fifth came in. They sold

(02:00:47):
off our telephone company and took us out about a
billion dollars, which left us what about four points what
about around four billion? The sixth premier came in, he
stayed for a while to remain the same, and also
the seventh. When the seventh premier came in, he left
us with four point five billion, the eighth premier the same.

(02:01:09):
So when the then premier came in, he left us
with around.

Speaker 2 (02:01:13):
Ten Who are these people there talking about? Who's the
ninth premium?

Speaker 16 (02:01:17):
The premiers right left Robert he used the members, Okay,
Jerry Smart, Frank Lows, brin Peck for Tom Ladder, Claude
has beaten tog Brian Tobin, Rogers, Vaughan Sanuins carried out
of there to Carl Davis, d White boll in Town
Holger there fifteen. So I figured I'd used the numbers
rather than use their names, right, But anyway, their names
are out there, and when I think mister Davis and

(02:01:42):
his administration left, we're probably around fifteen or sixteen billion,
and then the White bar left, we were probably twenty
and now mister Holden is ingra so like how far
down that we got to go? Buddy? I mean, you know,
why why did we go from four pounds five billion

(02:02:03):
dollars to twenty or thirty or fifty in the last
twenty five years. That's that's the problem, you know, Like
the revenue is there, but for some now no reason,
we're not spend the money correctly, and we're in dire straits.

(02:02:25):
Like I had to wait it a year and a
half now to get surgery myself. There was twenty seven
thousand left the emergency department this year, Patty, So you know,
we need money bad. Like I don't really know if
this MU is going to help us, are going to

(02:02:47):
have us, but we need revenue, and not only that,
I think we need probably the army to come in
here and help the sick people, because people bad in
the fifties and sixties.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
You're not getting the proper hope, you know, just on
the revenue side. I don't know if we have a
revenue side problem. We have a spending.

Speaker 16 (02:03:08):
Problem, yeah, we do. We have basically got a spending problem.

Speaker 10 (02:03:12):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 16 (02:03:14):
And like I mean, now that we got voters, that's
another thing. I like to congratulate all the voters or
all the people that ran for office in the last
couple of weeks and waste them. Well, but you know,
we can't. We can't be electing the same paroties over

(02:03:34):
and overhere if they're going to be wasting our money,
because it seems to me that when they're getting power,
they think that their money and the day can you
know throw the money is it's half a billion dollars
on travel nurses.

Speaker 10 (02:03:50):
Yeah against Compass group.

Speaker 5 (02:03:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:03:53):
Yeah, well government doesn't have their own money. That's something
that we should all be able to wrap our minds around.
I do want to sneak on another this morning, Christ
before I run out of time. Appreciate your time. Thanks
a lot man. All right, Uh, let's see your lane
three drew you around the AAR.

Speaker 4 (02:04:14):
Doing great, you well, Patty.

Speaker 22 (02:04:17):
With all the uh you know, all the negative stuff
going on in the world, the elections and stuff, there's
only one thing I'm I'm on these days, and that's
the Toronto Blue Jays.

Speaker 2 (02:04:27):
Hey love it.

Speaker 4 (02:04:30):
Are they ever looking good? They are hot, they are fun,
and boy are they ever having fun too?

Speaker 2 (02:04:39):
Yeah, I mean one of the I love the Jays.
I watched a lot of baseball. You know, one of
my favorite things. One thing to knock the Yankees out
is to knock them out at Yankee Staden was pretty satisfying.
And the way the New York media, sports media, talk
radio and sotuff are melting down is really quite something.
It's quite the spectacle. I see it on my Facebook

(02:04:59):
feed for some reason, all these reels coming from some
of their commentary commentators, and it's really something else. Quick question, Look,
I'm I mean the Jays are I mean? Pardon, go ahead, no.

Speaker 22 (02:05:10):
I was going to ask, speaking of New York media
and the commentators, did you happen to catch David Ortiz
talking to Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez in the postgame show.

Speaker 2 (02:05:19):
The Yankees lose?

Speaker 4 (02:05:21):
Yankees lose.

Speaker 2 (02:05:23):
Well, that's an old big poppy, right. He used to
do that all the time. He loved saying that, and
of course he got a couple of them out of Guerrero,
which was pretty funny. And you know, what the Nerk
media saying, how disrespectful the Jays have been a suff
I mean, give me a break. In Game four, they
booed our national lanthem loudly at Yankee Stadium. I mean,
it's it's so precious. The clutching of pearls is amazing.

(02:05:45):
We're getting the hitting, We're getting some pitching. You know,
I was a little bit nervous about.

Speaker 22 (02:05:49):
We're getting the bullpen pitching, which we hadn't had at
the end of the season, and that they were looking
they were looking terrible, and they were the boys were
lights out down the bullpen.

Speaker 2 (02:05:58):
They gave up one.

Speaker 22 (02:05:58):
Hit the bull that bullpen game. You know, we were
all bloiting our fingernails over that, saying, oh, maybe Gobsma
should go on short rest or perhaps you know what,
Louis Arland already passed. Why would he start. We only
got Eric Lauer, We got no one else to go.
And they were they were throwing heat, Patty, they were,
they were, they were lights out. And you know, credit

(02:06:20):
to Aaron Jodge, he hit over five hundred in the series.
That that home run off that falfol that looked like
it was going to go five hundred feet.

Speaker 4 (02:06:26):
I mean, that looked like the turning point in the series.
I was pretty that was tough to watch. That was
tough to watch.

Speaker 2 (02:06:34):
He's the only player of the world that hits that
over the fence. It was six inches inside and up
around the chest. I mean, that was just an incredible shot.

Speaker 22 (02:06:42):
And it was allowed hit that ballbody and to pull,
to keep your hands inside that ball and pull that
pull that as hard as he did, but not only
to pull it, but to keep it fair, to keep
your hands inside like that. Amazing and Gladdy, sir Bliaddy's
hitting over seven hundred going into that going into the AOCS.

(02:07:02):
I believe it's over seven hundred. And we got Game five.

Speaker 4 (02:07:06):
Tonight in Seattle, so that's great for the Jays too.

Speaker 2 (02:07:10):
Yeah, Lady's OS is like twenty two hundred. It's wild stuff. Yeah,
I'm looking for who do you want before we're out
of time? Who do you want? Detroit or Seattle?

Speaker 4 (02:07:23):
I don't really care. I think if we get Detroit,
we'll get.

Speaker 22 (02:07:25):
Schooballed probably twice. He's pitching tonight. Yeah, we'll probably see
him Game three, and then you know, if it goes
to seven, we'll see him twice. I think Seattle's hotter
right now. Detroit had a lot of issues at the
end of the season. I mean the Guardians.

Speaker 2 (02:07:40):
You know, they had.

Speaker 22 (02:07:41):
A near a near generational collapse. Now, you know, making
it to the Alcs it almost wipes that away, But they.

Speaker 4 (02:07:47):
Had their ups and downs. I think I'd rather Detroit,
but I'd rather see Detroit.

Speaker 2 (02:07:51):
Enjoy the baseball. Drew. Thanks for your time, Thanks, Patty.
I have a good one to go, Jays, Yes, sir, okay,
Jays is right, all right, very quickly, thirty seconds for
Jenny on six on the air.

Speaker 21 (02:08:01):
Thanks Patty. Just want to invite people out to our
Turn Up the Beat Social in the Avondale Community Garden
in town parking Lot. It's a free, family friendly event.
We want people to come out. We have an outdoor
cozy cafe with wood fired pizza and l Sas SODA's,
free strike treats and modern dental hygiene. We're having a

(02:08:22):
clothing swap table, workshops in the community garden, outdoor games
for the kids, and we're asking anybody if they want
to come and bring their knitting, guitar or painting or
create a hobby to come and sit down and have
a hot cup of coffee and a homemade baked good.
And it's happening tomorrow from eleven to three.

Speaker 2 (02:08:40):
Good luck with it. Helping is a great.

Speaker 21 (02:08:41):
Time, awesome, thank you, welcome Jack, Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
Happy Thanksgiving to you as well. All right, good show today,
big thanks to all Hans and yes, happy Thanksgiving to you.
We will indeed pick up this conversation on Tuesday morning
right here on VOCM and Big Line of FM's Open Line.
I'm happy the producer David Williams. I'm your host, Patty Daily.
Have yourself a safe, fun, happy weekend talk Tuesday. Bye
bye

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