Friday Oct 17th

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Friday, October seventeenth.
This is open Line. I'm your host Patty Daily, David Williams.
He's producing the come on with the edition of the show.
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five ninety VOCM, which is eighty six twenty six. So
it's been a long week and big thanks to all
the contributors to the program. So up again late last
night watching the Blue Jays remarkable turnaround eight two victory
to nine, to see the series at two games apiece.
Game five goes tonight. Thankfully it's not late. It's about
seven thirty eight. First pitch Ireland time. You know, I

(01:08):
was cautiously hopeful and optimistic going into last night that
forty one year old veteran Max Schurz are what have
his stuff? Last night at the age of forty one,
eighteen years in the big leagues. It was his thirty
first postseason start and he's five hundred start as a
big leaguer, and he looked great, amazing stuff, and of
course it was pretty entertaining. And manager John Schneider comes
out to take him out of the ballgame, and maxwell'sn't

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having it. You know, people say that's fun and fiery stuff.
Can you imagine if Earl Weaver or Billy Martin or
Tony les Order or partner Tommy Disorder or anyone else
came out, they would drop him right there on the mound,
take the ball and send him on his way. But anyway,
the Jays get it done. Great stuff, big game tonight.
All right, let's talk a little bit of golf and
Gander native Blair Bercy, who has been trying his level

(01:53):
best to make it to the next stage of professional golf,
had a standout career at the NCAA. He's involved now
with the Corn Ferry Tour Qualifying School. The corn Ferry
Tour is the tour just below the PGA Tour. So
I'm moving day Day three, four hundred sixty seven. Put
him into T nine at the Q school, the first
stage of Q School. He needs to pill polish it
off to day to finish no worse than T nineteen

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or better to move on to the second stage of
Q school. So get him all right. I love this one.
So every now and then someone's good enough to me
to call and talk a little sports, and you know,
we have that conversation about who's the best athlete the
province has ever produced. And there's a nice long list
that is part of a fun conversation. But one that's
always on my list is Darren Colburn from Cornerbrook as

(02:37):
a hockey player and as a baseball player. So some
good news here, and I like how Akadi introduces this
from Cornerbrook Street hockey to the ECHL Hall of Fame.
Darren Colber's journey is a story of pure goal scoring
talent and were letless drive. So U Sports is the
umbrella association that covers all Canadian university sport, so he's
a two time U Sports All Canadian, a standout at

(02:58):
a Kadia Canadian national team member, and of course he
planned at every level and excel And now he's entering
the Acadia Sports Hall of Fame. Congratulations to my old buddy,
Darren Culburn. Congratulations to you DC. Great stuff. Just keep going.
So let's get into housing. You know, remarkably, and I
guess not surprisingly, it's year over year we talk about

(03:19):
very similar issues for regarding housing. We've had reports from
the Canadian Housing and Morg Mortgage Corporation. We had the
Housing Accelerator Fund, which was certainly fueled with billions of dollars.
It was cumbersome, it was helpful to some bigger municipalities
that had the horsepower to compile all the data to
polish off the application forms. And now that's gone away
and here comes Build Canada Homes. The new federal government initiative.

(03:41):
We don't know how it's going to work. It hasn't
even started working yet. It's actually newly created Crown Corporation.
So maybe just maybe more bureaucracy as opposed to action
on the ground, talk about building on federal lands, what
have you. Which is a good thing. Let's talk about
hearing the province. So I know how the Home Bidners Association,
I know what they mean by this, but and this

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not intended to be cold, but what was already a
real problem with supply, a low stock of supply has
really been further concern given the wildfires and CBN. So
the whole Biterer's Association speaking out about it on a
variety of fronts. Number one for people who lost their
homes and CBN. We've been trying to talk about the

(04:23):
insurance for related issues, whether it be post Fiona or
the wildfire season. So we'll get back into the same
issues that have been broached countless times. Red tape, you know,
municipal regulations, municipal fees, skilled trade shortage, those types of things.
But let's get it going. I mean, we all know
what the areas of concern are, so yes, whether it
be you know, targeted immigration for skilled trades workers, even

(04:48):
though I'm having hard time square in that circle. When
we know at Trades and l they talk about some
seventy percent unemployment for their fourteen thousand members who are
skilled trades people. So where are we here? Then they
talk about again this approved contractor list. It's interesting that
I read that story this morning. Given a call yesterday
about an approved contractor who laid an egg when installing

(05:09):
a heat pump in this one particular callers home. So yes,
it's a good idea to have an approved contractor list,
but it needs to be constantly monitored and updated to
make sure that contractors don't rest on their laurels. Well,
we're on the approved list, let's just go at it.
So what are we actually doing here? The cooperation required
between the FEDS and the province and municipalities is crystal clear.

(05:31):
It'd be nice to hear some actual momentum here and
get some homes built, whether it be you know, density housing,
multi units, modular homes, whatever, it's going to take. Hitting
the affordability target is going to be tricky. To build
new homes in the traditional sense of you know, single
family detached bungalows or whatever the case we'd be. If

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it costs two hundred and fifty bucks of three hundred
bucks a square foot, affordability is not going to be hit.
So if it's multi units and some of the tax
breaks associated with it, if it's modular homes or tiny homes,
because not everybody needs the fourteen thousand square foot on
the main sitingle family detached bungalow. So we can talk
about the housing over more than we're happy to have
the home bit of association here on the show. But

(06:14):
you know, in the affordability target, the benchmark that's used
right across the country is that you should not be
spending any more than thirty percent of your income on housing.
But yet we know that that has been very difficult
to achieve in the last number of years. But here
it comes to the winter right around the corner. The
speed and the efficiency with which we can build modular

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homes is right there in front of us. So what
is the plan. You know, we can't have just modular
home companies getting fat off the back of taxpayer dollars.
But how do we strike the balance of the need
to put a roof over people's heads, what that means
for issues like poverty, what it means for issues so
far as mental health, what it means for issues so
far as homelessness, and the associated societal and financial cost.

(06:58):
But anyway, housing on top here you want to talk
about this morning, and speaking of the wildfires, it would
be nice I hear from residents from the North Shore
talking about the struggle with insurance companies and the anxiety
associated with wondering when any financial assistance is going to
come their way outside of some of the moneies that
have already been announced, which does not put a roof
back over your head. They're wondering where are we? And

(07:19):
it's a good question, and I wish I had answered
for them. Anyway, let's keep going. Also to that end,
it would be nice to have some sort of status
update about law enforcement, specifically RCMP investigation into the potential
for Arson to have started those fires, because most people
in the area think that's exactly what's gone on. I
don't know, but it'd be nice to have an update

(07:42):
to that end. Yesterday, there was a man charged in
Nova Scotia who was held responsible for starting the largest
wildfire Nova Scotia history. He's a young feman named Dalton Stewart.
Or he's an adult male named Dalton Stewart, twenty three
years of age. So he admitted his his actions as
spiking or sparking that King's not the Kingston fire, the

(08:04):
Barrington Lake wildfire, pardon me. So it was hugely destructive.
The rebuild is going to cost tens of millions of dollars.
It costs over two billion or two million dollars to
put the fire out. He's been given a fine twenty
five thousand dollars. You know, he did not spark the
fire on purpose. It was not arson. He admits the

(08:24):
being drunk with these bodies, they start a tire fire
during these tinderbox dry conditions. They tried to put it out,
but obviously they didn't and the fire, the end result
was the Barrington Lake fire. So you know, status update
on arson investigation here. And for the folks who are
arrested for not abiding by the fireban, what became of them?
We talked about fifty thousand dollars fines and if you

(08:44):
can't pay, you're going to the clink. But we really
don't know what happened there, but about twenty five thousand
dollars fine for all this devastation, wreaked by it, all right,
Sticking with crime and punishment For years of the services
have been talking about harsher sentences and as they use
in the sloganeering world, jail not bail, so we're told,

(09:05):
and this was you know, talked about somewhat during the
most recent federal campaign Apparently the Prime Minister and the
Liberal government are going to table legislation to that end
next week, talking about harsher sentencing and make bail much
harder to get. Okay. They also promised to hire an
additional one thousand new RCNP officers. Look when political party

(09:28):
say well that was our idea, fair enough in an
effort to keep us all safe, I really don't care
whose idea is anymore. So can we do something about
what we see? You know, if you call it catch
and release or hug a thug and some of those
catchphrase that have been utilized here. But what are we
going to do here? So they're going to talk about
repeat defenders who have been charged with home invasions, violent
car theft, assault, sexual assault, extortion, human trafficking. They're talking

(09:53):
about reverse onus on bail. So it won't be that
the Crown has to prove as to why you should
not be granted bail. The honors will also be on
those who are charged to prove that they deserve bail.
That's also come to pass here in this province with
sexual assault what have you. But let's look at historical
contexts here. You know, for starters, there's a lot of

(10:14):
evidence out there about what harsher sentences mean. It's a
feel good it's that people want that dose of retribution,
to know that a sentence that maybe would have been
five years is now ten years or whatever the case
may be fair enough, But does it actually work and
does a curb recidivism? Does it make the public more safe.
It's just a question that will put out there for
your consideration because there's lots of evidence out there that

(10:35):
is very much a mixed back. Let's look back in
twenty eleven, then Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his Conservative government,
they were trying to give judges discretion to hand out
consecutive twenty five year blocks of parole inigibility, in eligibility
in case where an offender has committed multiple first degree murders.
People applauded it, you know for some of those cases,

(10:57):
and there was cases in the courts at that moment
of time that some of these criminals, these murderers would
not be eligible for parole for one hundred and fifty years.
Then it went to the Supreme Court and it was
ruled unconstitutional. So the Prime Minister says that they've consulted
with constitutional experts, police forces, justice ministers across the country
to make sure this legislation is viable. But I think

(11:17):
it's welcome in many corners. When we think about public safety,
the public feels less safe the end, and so whether
we talk about root causes of crime, people also want
the punishment to be part of the conversation. Hopefully that
also includes rehabilitation, because that's sort of the hope on
top of punishment, is that you don't come out worse
than you went in. But that legislation apparently to be

(11:39):
tabled next week, it'd be nice to have a look
at it and wonder whether or not the Supreme Court
will uphold the plan. Your thoughts, okay, anything Election reflection
we're happy to take on here this morning because here
we come with the PC majority government, and I get it.
There's a transition time, and they need to get a
cabinet appointed, need to be sworn in, and there will

(12:01):
be people clamoring for immediate action because time is of
the essence. We know it to be true. You know,
I'm going to make every effort to be fair in
understanding that no one's going to flip a switch and
all of a sudden, all the issues facing the people
of the province are going to be solved, because they're not.
But promises made are going to be latched onto by

(12:23):
various sectors of the public and looking for answers and
some action on promises. It's just nature of the beast.
That's how we all operate, right, And that includes the
Registered Nurses Union. Lots of big pledges about healthcare and
in particular the registered nurses of the province. So yes,
adding fifty additional seats to the nursing school. That makes
sense to me, But it only makes sense if and

(12:43):
when they're all offered a job and a permanent, full
time job, even though that comes with the benefits cost
so be it. Then it's expanding the local program beyond
simply Labrador and the Great Northern Peninsula. That also makes
a lot of sense. Then they want the establishment of
an independent health sector safety council. This one is interesting
because it's not necessarily about operational nursing, but we already

(13:05):
have these councils established for manufacturing, fishing, forestry, construction, evet coffee.
And the union says, look, this is about violence and
addressing workplace violence. And here's a quote coming from miss Coffee.
That's what we want for healthcare. We have the highest
rates of violence, we have the highest rates of injury.
This is sort of a stroke of a pen to
create this standalone sector health Sector Safety Council because we

(13:30):
hear the stories and it's unbelievable when you add the
traumatic workload that nurses experience and many other healthcare professionals
experience day in and day out, the extraordinarily long days
many of the nurses put in. To know that the
rate of violence and the rate of injury is what
it is, there's no reason why that we can't establish
this Health Sector Safety Council. But there's a lot of

(13:50):
prompts has been made and I get it, it's part
of campaigning. Then it's a travel nurses. We've all been
infuriated with the amount of money going off the door
since twenty two, around two hundred and forty million dollars.
What would be also very nice is to have some
real strategy about how we reduced for alliance on travel nurses.

(14:11):
In addition to that, what's going on with the Auditor
General's report that looked out looked at ineligible expenses and
the possibility of fraud. What happened to that. I mean,
fraud is a criminal is a criminal charge. So it
looked pretty clear that there were some fraudulent invoices coming
in the door. So where are we on that front?

Speaker 3 (14:31):
All right?

Speaker 1 (14:32):
This one, I don't know if you're interested in taking
it on, but the public have been offered tours of
the new ambulatory health care hub that's, of course, the
old Costco building on Stebanger. Tours take place this Sunday
from eleven am to three pm, starting every half hour.
It's a welcome new facility. You know of variety clinics
and services, general medicine, internal medicine, general surgery, joint assessments,

(14:54):
I clinic plastic surgery, outpatient X ray ideology or the
pedix all good. The one thing people I think still
rightfully point to is if we always knew this was
going to be a needed facility, an ambulatory health care facility.
Costco Building was for sale for quite a long time
before a private sector company bought it, and then what

(15:14):
we leased it from them was it not cost savings
with buying it, even if we weren't fully prepared with
staffing and to go into the construction phase for renovations
to make it conducive for ablatory health care. I have
will never understand how the government didn't buy that building
if it was ever going to use it into the future.
I think the same thing could be said, or a

(15:35):
very similar conversation regarding the comfort in the government never
even considered buying it when establishing the transitional home that
it is intended to be. We leased it at extraordinary cost.
Now it's been sold and we don't really know what
end of lease looks like. So you know, if we've
got the foresight to look down the road about what
we're going to need with transitional homes or this healthcare

(15:57):
or this ambulatory health clinic, those things were for sale. Well,
at least the Costco building was for sale. But if
you're interested in the public tour happens this Sunday every
half hour from eleven am to three pm. Also, just
pop my mind about the Auditor General. How hundreds are
a plan with the income and government to address the
Auditor General's report on personal care homes. It's important, you know,

(16:19):
they identified all sorts of big problems inside the system,
and not every personal care home is a problem. Not
every personal care home employee is a problem, but some
are so, whether it be the inappropriate administration of medicine,
all levels of abuse, operational standards that have not been
updated since two thousand and seven, identifying non compliance, make
public disclosures, and the roadmap for settling the non compliance issues,

(16:42):
which can be fairly innocuous all the way too extremely severe.
So I'd like to hear a little bit from the
PCs about, you know, because they latched onto it rightfully.
So when the Auditor General released what we always refer
to as a scathing report that where are we there
a couple of last ones, so you know, the Candida
post strike had an implication regarding the most recent election

(17:04):
here provincial election voter cards not sent out, same thing municipally,
people had an issue with mail in ballots because of
the obvious is a time for us to say that
election material like voter cards should be deemed essential mail,
the same thing we did with things like social assistance
checks and what have you. Maybe even include GST checks there.

(17:26):
But election of related stuff, you know, and not just
all the flyers and the PLAT cards and stuff, but
things like voter registration cards should we deemed that essential?
I think we should. I mean, we are talking about
one of the bedrocks of democracy is the need and
the right to vote, but also to be informed about
your voting to make it efficient at the polling stations
on election day. So interested what you think there, and

(17:48):
of course more than happy to talk to the Upper
Churchill Memorandum voter saying like what's next. You know it's
in some part galling that there's going to be an
independent review, which I have no problem with. But let's
just think about it out loud. Had we put that
in the hands, this complex half a trillion dollars worth
of mega projects, into the hands of whoever for an

(18:09):
independent review, how did it happen in March? And you
give the company six months? We'd be in a much
different situation here in talking about this complicated yet ultra
important issue. We still had time back in March, and
now time is not what it once was. So your
thoughts on it, including the referendum which would be binding,
so says mister Wakem the Premier designate. So yeah, last one.

(18:31):
This is a bit more personal, but it's also I
think as implications across the board. We can talk about
cell phone coverage as public safety and as a matter
of frustration. But in the world of TV, remember back when,
you know, they kind of flew under the radar and
all of a sudden there was one primary TV receiver
that was a freebe the rest, get in charge eight
bucks a month, even though people didn't realize it. So

(18:54):
I got an issue with my bloody TV yesterday. I
called my provider to go through all the rigmarole. I've
unplugged this, and hold that down, and do this, and
go to the modem and you know, dance a jig
for an hour. We fixed it. Two hours later, gone again.
Get back on the phone. Nineteen minutes later, I'm told, well,

(19:15):
your receiver doesn't work. We'll send you a new one,
to which I said, can you send me a technician,
because this is the second time in three months I've
gone down this particular frustrating hole with the telecom provider.
So they say no. But basically, when I thought about
it out loud, hey wait now I'm doing unpaid work here.
I'm the technician. You know, that's the second time in

(19:36):
three months. Plus it was two and a half hours yesterday,
which I'll never get back where I was the technician
hold on here. It used to be not that long ago,
you had repeated problems like that. What would they say,
We'll send you a technician now, No, put on your
technician hat. By the way, do you have a tool
belt handy? Are you ready to go up and down
over the stairs to deal with the mode in ten
times in the next ninety minutes. It was a good workout.

(19:58):
But all of a sudden, I'm the technician. What we're
on Twitter? Our visim Ovalon follows their email addresses open
on a FIOSM dot com. When we come back, let's
have a great show to wrap up the week that happens.
If you're in the key to talk about whatever's on
your mind. Like Roy, he wants to talk about the
m ou don't go away. Welcome back to the show. Let's
go to line number two. Good morning Roy here on
the air.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Good morning Patty. How are you this morning?

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I'm doing okay. How about you?

Speaker 4 (20:20):
I'm doing wonderful, Patty, and thank you very much for
taking my call.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
No problem.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
I've listened to your radio show for a long time now,
and not a regular listener, but when I can, I
certainly do. I'm working in the north and I admire
your sense of information on the mo OU. It's a
complex document. It's a very complex phenomena, and you've got

(20:47):
a lot of information. You've processed it neatly. I don't
have a lot of information, but I got a perspective,
an attitude, an opinion, and that's the reason why I called,
and I call to share earthbreaking news, but just a
perspective m o U for me when I when I
look at it, I believe the boat was missed on

(21:09):
the m o U in March April, and uh, I
think the boat was missed. Beginning with the outgoing premier
furious resignation. I believe was wrong certainly for him to
have resigned with a document with an opportunity for up
to a quarter of a trillion dollars on the table

(21:30):
that he landed on the table, and he was the
probably one of the architects behind the document. I believe
that in April, if they if the if the Liberal
Party had to have just got their thoughts collected and
in a unified form. I said, look in each district

(21:52):
in this province and in the and in Labrador, we
had a public forum hosted by E MHA. Nobody else
because they're getting paid. MHAs are getting paid to do this.
I don't want to listen to somebody else who's not
getting paid, got no accountability, no responsibility. I think they

(22:13):
had a couple of months there to put a presentation together,
to put an understanding together, to put a unified program together,
and then to share it with the MHAs and say, look,
take this to your district and have a public meeting
at your high school, in your in your community center

(22:34):
somewhere in the district, and allow people to understand what
we've got understood and share it with them. And then
when you share it with you find people that elected
to give them the opportunity to ask you questions because
we may have missed amount, we may have missed some targets.

(22:56):
So allow them to ask questions and concerns. And that's
a part of the heat of being an MHA.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
And so in the unified fashion, they take.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Back from the district, the responses off the district, reassemble,
put together their talks because they got just as good
of ideas as any politician in Canada, and in a
respectable fashion go back and say this is what we did,
this is what we have and this is.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
What we would want you to vote on.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
We're going to have a referendum now. And now when
you have a referendum, you're informed, your voice is there,
and you have a say. The referendum will be held
on this MoU. And now you've got an opportunity to
vote on something with a sense of knowing and knowledge
and not a sense of ignorance. You can ask any

(23:54):
Machanges problems, any person in the community, what is THEU
and there's nothing but a perplexed confusion in their response.
So someone missed the vote.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, So to that end, Bright, look, I completely understand
where you come from, but just take it one step further.

Speaker 6 (24:15):
Is the break.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Should be put on them and this is my last thought,
should be put on them ou until such such a
process is done. And then you know, we've got a
trade corder that the Prime Minister karn he says he's developing.
You know, Go Island may be just as accessible for

(24:41):
investment and interest to Ontario or to a consortium of
pei New Brunswick in Nova Scotia, or to Alberta.

Speaker 7 (24:52):
As it is to connect.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
So there are many players in this picture. If you
develop it and you go about it right. My contention
is that the laws at the Liberal Party in this
election is that they never went about it right. Their
management and their strategy from the back room was totally weak.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, they may have just played some overconfidence with the MoU.
I mean they hung their hat on it as being
the real key issue in this election, which I guess
I understand why they did that, but I think the
underestimated the confusion and or the concern amongst the electorate
to your MHA suggestion, look, very early on here, there

(25:37):
was two full days of sworn evidence being offered in
the House of Assembly. People who were being asked questions
of were peppered by you know, ten twelve senior lawyers.
So there is actually a pretty helpful exercise in the
House of Assembly during that time. And I'm not so
sure how many people watched it or listened to it,
or read their hands or transcript of it. But the

(25:57):
MHA has taking the show on the road. You know,
they could we could put them in their hand a
flicker that presented a deck of slides, but would they,
to a man to a woman be able to answer
questions that would be My only concern is if you
have really in tune people that attend that town hall
and have an engineering question or a value question, or

(26:19):
a price question or a term question. I wonder how
many of the MHAs would be actually equipped to answer
that in any real accurate form. So I understand your point.
They needed to take it a bit more to the people,
but we need people to take it who probably know
a bit more about it. And then, I'm not trying
to be disrespectful of the mhs, because some of them
probably spent copies amounts of time pouring over the MU

(26:40):
and asking questions of experts or people in their social circles.
But I bet most of the MHAs probably couldn't do
much more than hit the flicker and move from slide
to slide.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well, you know, I don't know, I don't I'm not
going to underestimate the capacity of the mh is. I
don't want to do that because I know there's a
lot of great people. And then if I underestimated the capacity,
the MHA is on missing the targets. The real target
is in putting together a good program in the back

(27:13):
room with a group of people and arriving at a
consensus that this is not for a NASA team. This
is not for an Apple team or Google. This is
for our population, our people who live in the towns,
in the villages around the bay, our general people. And

(27:34):
give them the courtesy and the respect and listen. Make
your MHA accountable. If he has a confusion or she
has an understanding issue with the document, with the host
of slides, well then correct it, get it going, because
we don't hold into account and that's been part of

(27:55):
the issue, the lack off accountability. And then again encircling
this whole idea is that of trust. I'll go back
to something you said about I believe earlier, maybe Premier
Fury say, when he left office immediately after bringing in

(28:18):
the possibility of the MoU with Quebec. I believe that
whole value of trust was what was turned over because
he left too quick, and people get suspicious, people get
really disheurtened, and all of a sudden you got a
bad color. There are some, you know, there are some

(28:39):
I think misplays in the whole thing. A lot of
great people ran, and a lot of great people ran
for a good reason. Well, I don't think, you know,
in honesty, I don't think the peace really won the
election as much as the Liberals lost the election by

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just just terrible management, terrible strategy, terrible entilments. That's all
I want the stage in this form puture break sondi
mo ou stop it in tracks, develop an awareness and
an understanding in the villages that e last the m ajs.
Get them out forget.

Speaker 7 (29:19):
Them on the same page.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
If you can't get your imas on the same page,
hopefully come What does that say?

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Volumes Roy appreciate making time for the show. Thanks for
doing it.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Have a great day, Patty, and think there except from the.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Coup pleasure, have a nice weekend. All right, boye bye,
all right, let's go ahead and take a break. Let
me come back. I'm sure you're in the queue talk
about well, whatever's on your mind. Don't go ahead, welcome
back to the show. Let's go line number one. Good morning, Peter,
you're on the air. Yeah, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 8 (29:52):
I kind of laughed when I heard your story about
the technician. Well I've since graduated with that pro and
I'm only kidding when I say that, But like you,
I ran around with a tool belt up and downstairs.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
I got my exercise.

Speaker 9 (30:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
But the lessons I learned from that were one. The
receivers they send, they say that they're going to send you.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Are new.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
No, they were refurbished. So you have to actually ask
that you.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Send them provide you with a new.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
Receiver, because they only take them back and of course
update them and put them back on the market, which
I think is well, it's up to it's.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Up to the consumer.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
I supposed to acknowledge that one.

Speaker 8 (30:41):
But the other thing I tend to look for is
when they do send a technician, is that he is
an official employee of say Bell or Rogers versus having
a contractor. With all the respect to the contractors, some

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it's hit and miss with those chaps. And lastly, the
other thing I found was they update a lot of
times their equipment, but like many people, we pay it
each month and we don't know that there's a better
unit out there that they can provide you with.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
And unless you ask, of course they're going to try
to chage you. But I always say, if you want
my business, I want the upgrades.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Thank you all excellent points, just one by one. The
technician that gets sent in, I agree with you, because
the technician who works directly for one of the big
three providers say, well, I guess in this case Rogers
or Bell, if we're talking about TV, they've got more
skin in the game, as does the company because that
person has a Bell or Rogers logo on their shirt

(31:51):
or on their jackl or what have you, versus a
contractor that's simply contracted to represent Bell doesn't work for Bell.
So that's a good point. With the new receiver business.
You are one hundred percent right. Three months ago when
I had to go down the same path, this infuriating road,
I got a new receiver in the mail. Of course,
it's wrapped in plastic. I open it up and on
the bottom of it is a scratch and I'm thinking,

(32:13):
is this This isn't new, this is a refurbished receiver.
This is going to be a problem. And three months later,
of course that receiver crapped out. So excellent points being
made and good buyer beware stuff.

Speaker 8 (32:24):
Well, it's unfortunate, but they still charge at the same
price for refurbishment.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
I don't think so.

Speaker 8 (32:30):
You know, you know, as consumers and we all know
we're paying probably some of the highest for our TV
services and providers.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
But at the end of the day, you know, and
people don't have time.

Speaker 8 (32:43):
Let's be honest, but you know, let's you know, you've
got to stay on top of these guys. If you're
paying one hundred something dollars a month and you know,
take the time. Or if you're in your neighbor's house,
just have it again. Or at their equipment and see
if they have who they're is and what the equipment
looks like. You know, for two seconds, it might save

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you a.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Lot of grief. Yeah, and check your bill. Like we
took a receiver out of our house and the boys
moved out because that particular TV my wife and I
I can't remember the last time I even looked at it.
So we took the receiver out to save a few bucks,
but then looking at the bill a few months later
to find out that they continued to charge us that
eight bucks per month. Now, it's not going to break

(33:25):
the bank, but it's frustrating. So when I call customer care,
they could see on their screen the date with which
I returned that receiver, which was well before my building date,
and yet consequently they kept billing me for it until
I looked at it a few months later, I thought,
how come I'm still paying for this particular receiver that
Bell has it back. They've now refurbished it and sent
it off to some other unbeknownced customer. So all good

(33:47):
and important points, Peter.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Okay, well, hopefully it's food for thought.

Speaker 8 (33:53):
But the last thing, and it's no reflection on anyone,
is you're lucky if you get a person on the
phone who you can understand, and you know, sometimes I
get them from all over the world and their English
is great, and other times it's not as good, and
then that becomes frustrating to you because it's like, do

(34:14):
I have to go through this process again? So you know,
if they're going to hire people, at least hire Canadians
in Canada. I don't care where they're from anywhere, but
least keep it in Canada and save our jobs.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Anyway, that's the last point I'd.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Like to make, and I'm glad you made it, Peter.
I appreciate your time this morning.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
You're welcome, Babie. Right to that end that last comment
from Peter, let's just pick up on that for a
second now. I think what's happened here is many people,
whether be your callum and customer care center or technical
support or whatever, and you speak with someone who you
think is probably not living in the country, and the
accent might be a little bit presents a bit of

(34:59):
a language. B What we do is we get mad
at newcomers, and we don't get mad at the corporations
who were one hundred percent and solely responsible for taking
those jobs offshore. So isn't that kind of a curious
way that our minds work. Here We'll get mad at
someone who looks like the person that you heard on
the other end of the phone while you were dealing

(35:20):
with our frustrating whatever issue with your internet or with whatever.
But the companies get off scott free here. They've done it.
They've moved the jobs elsewhere. And it was just about money.
It wasn't about efficiency, it wasn't about productivity, it wasn't
about customer service. It was about money. And yet we
get mad at the individual and is to say, you

(35:41):
see them in the grocery store the day after you
had that two and a half hour experience on the
phone with someone who probably wasn't in the country, But
we get mad at that person and the corporations we
just get mad at them about our bill or no technician,
they move the jobs offshore. It's similar to when you
see some of the things going on down South about
these the ice thugs and the raids and what have you.

(36:03):
It's just got that unintended consequence for how it hangs
over about how people think and how they view other people.
It's amazing world. Yeah, And I mean, like, what all
the undocumented workers that are being rounded up shipped off
to countries that they're not even from. How can we
never hear about the owners of the companies that are
employing undocumented workers. Again, they get off scot free. They're

(36:26):
not even part of the news. We'll see the video
and the reels of the no due process deportation of somebody.
But the folks hiring and knowing full well who they hired,
even if it was in an effort to save some
money or to hire someone to take a job that
someone else wouldn't, we never hold them to account. We
just don't do it. We don't do it at all.

(36:49):
We all just flick our eyes around and finger points
of blame at the individuals, most of which are just
trying to make ends meet, and the corporations taking the
jobs offshore are parking their money offshore, you know, high
wealth individuals in corporate We just kind of let them
away with it. No one really says much about it.
Let's go and take a break. Still, tons of time
left for you. Obviously, the topic entirely up to you.

(37:11):
It doesn't have to be the big things, because it
never surprised. You know, at the beginning of my tenure here,
I used to kind of shock me about some of
the issues. I got a lot of attention and a
lot of feedback. Of course, the big ones do. But
you know what led the league yesterday in reaction that
I got. I called from Alex about feeding squirrels. Truly amazing,
all the way from don't field wild don't feed wildlife,

(37:34):
all the way to suggestions and some pitfalls that you
have to consider, and all the rest of it. So
I don't know, a few dozen emails about feeding squirrels overnight, remarkable.
Let's take a break, don't go away, Welcome back to
the program. I get emails like this every now and then,
and I will start off with setting me up. Say hi, Patty,
I love the show. Okay, thanks, yes, thank you, Because

(37:56):
I say sometimes I feel like you bring up certain
subjects just to provoke or I'm not gonna use the
words that this person used, but yeah, sometimes that's kind
of like part of the job. But then the insinuation
was exaggeration of the importance of one issue, and this
one was about personal care homes. No, it's not an exaggeration.

(38:16):
The Honor of General's report from April was pretty important.
I mean they talked about feces being smeared on walls,
residents that have simply gone missing, inappropriate administration of medication,
and as a result, one person is dead, you know,
repeatedly given the wrong medicine that was meant for another resident.
Consequently someone died. I don't know how that is purposely

(38:38):
being exaggerated. Seems pretty important to me. The AG looked
at a three month window and in that three month
window there was forty one medication incidents, whether it be
missing drugs, need left out, an insulin pen and of
course there're meant to be single use. Then they talked
about verbal abuse, concerns of sexual abuse. So I'm not
so sure that constitutes an exaggeration for the sake of me,

(39:00):
And we're talking about six thousand plus residents and personal
care homes and of course that's six thousand plus residents
and their family and friends, so that's a lawful lot
of people would be part of this. And then issues
regarding compliance are also pretty important. You know, there was
a concern about the distancing between the Department and then
l Health Services and sort of maybe the disconnector the

(39:20):
lack of communication between the two regarding the operationals operations
at personal care homes. And the fact of the matter
is Denise Hendra not but words in her health. But
she was looking for accountability on things like some eighty
three odd million dollars spent in one calendar or one
fiscal year twenty three twenty four, and it brought them

(39:40):
about double from previous years. And yet still finding some
of these issues that are part of some personal care homes.
So maybe sometimes I throw it out just to instigate
a call. Of course, what else am I supposed to do?
But I'm not exaggeration of the personal care homes. The
Auditor General and her team did pretty good work on
this front, and their findings were concerning, to say the

(40:02):
very least. So let's keep going. Let's go line number one. Gerald,
You're on the air. Is that me? That's you?

Speaker 9 (40:09):
Good morning, Patty. And or if you talk about you know,
Ryan had his perspective. You know it's your previous Carl
I got one. Now I'll be some sick old man.
But we see, we said, we see. We spend a
lot of a lot of time talking about Quebec's problem.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
It's an interesting way to put on praise terms.

Speaker 9 (40:34):
Just say this, m ou will power. We don't. We
don't need muskrat power. We were not muskrat Church to
Files power here in Newfoundland. We can live without it.
We you know, it's not something we have. If we
if we close down Church to Files today, we say
we still have power. This is Quebec's problem, and we

(40:58):
are dealing with it. You see my first active I think.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
That's partially true.

Speaker 9 (41:03):
They mean what they did years ago, they went and
build a power plant in newfun Island. That's what they did,
and they profit handsomely from it. Now the options are
run out. They got a problem of us.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
I don't disagree with the overall sentiment. We do indeed
still have a need for power from Churchill, but we're
not talking you know, copious amounts of immediate energy, but
like even expanding opportunities in lab West. And of course
why do we.

Speaker 9 (41:34):
Need Paddy from here here in the island.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
I just specifically said Labrador West or in love with Estonia.

Speaker 9 (41:43):
I won't I presume they want shut down the plant.
They'll keep operating the supply their customers. You know, if
we if we said, look for shutting down the plant
with your power. You need electricity if you want to.
You see what I'm saying. We're person Actually it's all wrong.
They're coming to Ustin and giving us terms. We own that,

(42:05):
we own that project, We set the terms. We're at seller.
If I'm selling my house, I don't have some how
much we want to charge for it? Or if they
come to us, we've took you're saying the weird weeks
bearing gifts and that's our savior, and that crowd came
down here and the tte our God will gull the
little politicians here to file to file for that ruse

(42:29):
the same my point I do. In short of that,
I'm going to expand that quite quite a bit. I do, wan.
I'm trying to wait and see how stupid we are,
and as well, I say how stupid our governments are. Listen,
lit the government pure you're asking to deal with. They're
the same crowd that got us in the mess we're in.

(42:49):
Now we're fifty million dollars in the hole. We got
a lecture. Your project up there there's not account for,
and we're trusting the same people to save, you know,
to give us counsel and like Malcore, you know this
woman from Malcore and mail Core. Look, I wouldn't give

(43:11):
them anything to do after what they did. They decluded
to get that that project up there in the Larby door.
And now I'm always what we're doing, nesss Patty. We're
taking this a great mitigation business, and we're taken just
the squandering and the stupidity we've done and passed down
to our children. That's what rat mitigation does. Let them

(43:35):
pay for it. You know we made say too bad,
we live happily on just terrible and you're same thing.
You could expand the same thing with the debt we
have here. Now we got fifty billion dollars and then
and they say, look, we we just lived. These are
deferred taxes. Give it to our children. We're not manning

(43:57):
up to our debt. What we've done, squandered all this money.
But there's great being government we got. That's the real
problem we have here. We've got a government that's sucking
up every body dollars that's around in the bloated size,
the bloated the public service that the public service units,
et cetera. That's the problem. We won't deal with it.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
There's a lot to that, you know.

Speaker 9 (44:21):
Anyway, Patty, I'm a sick old man and I've got
I went I lived in commissioner government, and I can
tell you now that's the early Joey smilewood. That's the
best government we had here in design. They governed best,
and they governed least. We got a government here now

(44:44):
all land that's bloated. You can do your own adjectives
if you have eyes to see see what's going on.
And that showed up, by the way in the election
where all roof and land, Royal, luf Land finally cut
on to what's going on here. All that money is
poured into the governments here and they've expanded their size.

(45:06):
The numbers are there. That's that's what I see, you know,
with the more opinion, but we're there to see you
look at their buds. Look how they increased, Look how
their employees increased. That's the problem with you go or
I say the wife fellow, no, for lander, that's our problem.
Either we deal with little alos or we've become the
instantialized people that we become. Or you say, Patty, I'm

(45:29):
a sick old man. But I just have to say this, Well.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
You're making a lot of good points for a sick
old man. So when I think about it, I've been
at this for about twenty years. When I first started
in the media, the provincial budget was around three billion dollars.
Now it's around eleven billion dollars. The population has only
grown by maybe you know, net growth of twenty thousand,
because when I first started, we had about five hundred
and twenty thousand people living in the province. Then we

(45:53):
saw a bit of an exodus. Now we've seen the
population growth to about five forty, but the billion from
three to eleven. With the population on the net growth twenty,
the number of people working for the public sector from
x to x times three. The number of people making
in excess of one hundred thousand dollars has grown wildly
even over the course of the last ten years. So
there's a lot of good points as to what you're

(46:15):
making here this morning.

Speaker 9 (46:16):
That's very Look you you were you you were important
to the voice here and save in the public. And
don't I asked you don't lose level. Never you ask
any politician or when the tapes come down or the
teachers unions there are just remember and as I said,
you show up in the vote. There's there's a strange thing.

(46:38):
That's all Saint John's vote of the liberal how rural
loose from Land went the other way. But there's a
reason for that, and one was the reason all the
money that's poured into the northeast of the left and
all the oil money. Look around the new buildings for got.
Look the police have peas even up even got hormone

(46:58):
would be swapped teams. They're going around now with the
swat team, but absolutely looking for you know, the incidence
in the city. They send out a swat team. They're
they're they're a hammer looking for a nail. Anyway, I
don't want to. I don't want to just saying that
it is strange. That's the way the election introduced. Hopefully

(47:24):
rural luf Lane will catch on to what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
And it used to be the exact opposite. It used
to be the Tories flourish and Earthy's avalon and the
Liberals did great outside the overpass, and now we've kind
of flip flopped that. It's fascinating that you mentioned oil,
because you know, unless you work directly in the old
industry or even indirectly to profit yourself, for the vast
majority of us I mean, I know, means money for
the provincial government. But when oil developments happen for the

(47:51):
normal Joe and Jane, like myself and the wife and others,
is all that we already saw. It's more expensive stuff
like housing. All of a sudden, the house was on
a hundred thousand dollars. There is a horn fifty dollars
because they made an announcement that they're moving head with
Hebrown or White west Rows or whatever the case may be.
So it's interesting you brought that up.

Speaker 9 (48:09):
Yeah, I could go up to I could go on
a bit more of what you know, I'd want to frigate,
not more pin point. But you know, all in all,
we'll bedres as well off if we never said we
never discovered that oil. And in many ways the discovery
of oil in the areas were pretty well to wrex
theory that has found. You know, if it distorts the economy,

(48:31):
brings drugs and all kinds of trouble, it will be
better off if we never have it and concentrates on
our fishery and concentrases on to get our government out
of the way. Well, we can do here, do Ferand
if I wanted to, if I was a farmer, I
wanted to start farming, my biggest obstacle would be Department

(48:52):
of the agg Culture. But you know, whatever they call it,
trying to stop me doing for pyram it, you know,
stop me any business you longer take. There's a bunch
of bureaucrats around finding some way to interfere stuff, stop
you and make it living. You know, you see it
over and over and over. You're here, fellows, people phoning.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
In all of the time.

Speaker 9 (49:13):
I want to do this, and I want to do that.
I got this permit. It's so on and so on.
The same with the Department of Fisheries. No where he
lived on the federal.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Level, Yeah no, there no argument there on fisheries and agriculture.

Speaker 9 (49:25):
I can't go around and I've catched a fish to eat.
You know, no one can give you a reading now
do I got to go.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
On and you see about point I do, Jerald, I'm
glad you called. Thanks a lot, Okay, then take good care,
bye bye. That was a good call. Interesting call. Just
one quick point on big industry like oil and drugs,
because he said, you know that kind of wealth brings
upon some of those societal ills like drugs. Try to
take this house intended, like places like Fort McMurray, the

(49:53):
way that the industry has that issue regarding drugs, And
of course they do. People working in a dangerous work environment.
But you could get fired for smoking a marijuana cigarette
on Friday night to go back to work on Monday,
But the cocaine is out of your system by the
time we go back to work Monday. So what do
you think people did. They had the money, they knew
they'd get in trouble from marijuana, they knew they couldn't

(50:14):
detect the cocaine, so all of a sudden they have
a cocaine problem. When if you did cocaine Friday night,
went back to work on Monday morning, you're probably in
worse shape than if you smoke that joint on Friday night.
So what do we think was going to happen. People
latched onto the drugs that exited your system quicker than
the cannabis. And so what happened then serious drug addictions,
serious serious crime that comes with, of course cocaine trade

(50:37):
and the like. Let's take a break for the news
talk Away, Welcome back to the shows because it's our
online number one. Good morning, Sarah, you're.

Speaker 9 (50:47):
On the air, Hi, Patty.

Speaker 10 (50:50):
I heard the call with Juanine yesterday regarding student assistance
and I'm having similar issues out here on random oln
as well. Between last school year and the school year,
we went from five student assistants down to two. The
school recently got a third back. One is unfulfilled. They're

(51:14):
trying to get an applicant, but it's a temporary position.
And there was also a change in policy this year
where a student assistant must be paired with the teaching
staff when they're working with a child, which makes sense

(51:34):
for accountability and safety and everything, But for my child,
that means that she's often with an i RT and
a student assistant to herself because she can't be in
the regular classroom because it's the student noisy and crowded
and everything for her. And so now you've got two

(51:57):
r rts. They only have two rs for over ten
kids plus her who has she's got how I support
needs autism, and they're stretched very very thin trying to
support her and support the rest of the kids, and
they can't get a third IRT put in place. They've

(52:19):
been they've requested it and they've been denied. So as
a result, many times this year I've gotten calls for
her to come home because of challenging behaviors that would normally,
you know, be manageable at school. But I've been told,
you know, we just don't have the staff to deal

(52:41):
with her and she has to come home, and a
lot of a lot of that has to do with them,
you know, she, you know, is very help to explain it.
She she has a lot of sensory needs and she
gets overwhelmed by chatter and things like that. So when

(53:01):
an IRT is trying to work with another student in
the room with her, she'll often have behavioral challenges because
she don't exactly like the presence of other kids in
with her at the time. There are challenge where she
just needs to be separated, but because of that new policy,
that can't happen without a teaching staff but the rest

(53:23):
of the teachers are in their main classrooms with the
crowds of kids. And then she ends up kind of
absorbing the support of one of the two irts and
in one of the two student assistants to herself, and
the other kids aren't able to get their support.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
It ripples through the entire classroom. And I mean we've
heard the income government talk about it, the outgoing liberals
talking about, you know, forty million dollars to hire four
hundred new people into the system. My question would be
where are the people. I mean, we can put forward
of the money, but where are the actual attendant teachers
or student assistants or anything else.

Speaker 10 (54:03):
Yeah, that's another issue. And where we are you know,
I know they've had trouble even getting subs in when
the student assistance have been out. There's been a couple
of times I've had to drive her to school, which
I don't mind doing. But you know, we're you know good.
The school is like about thirty minutes from Claarenville, and

(54:24):
most people that are coming for these positions that's where
they go from there and beyond, right, So it's hard
to get substitutes. It's hard to I guess attract people
to this area, right, that's another challenge. And yeah, so
that's what we've been dealing with and it's going to

(54:44):
continue through the whole school year because we can't get this,
we can't get this third I art which would relieve
a lot of the a lot of the extra strain.
And then we're still short student assistants. They were only
just barely getting by with what they had and now
and then it was caught. So everybody's stretched so thin.

(55:06):
I have a family member that's working there now in
the school and he's had to fill in for student
assistants and stuff like that. Like everybody's stretched trying to
manage all these children that need support at the same time.
And and like I said, my daughter is she's the

(55:26):
only really high support needs child in the school and she,
you know, threw no father of her own, ends up
absorbing the little resources that are that are there. Right,
So it's got a lot of issues. And I've reached
out to my mh's office. Ir MH is Loud Parrot

(55:47):
and uh, the liberal candidate Greg French, she also reached
out and was going to touch base with the Education
Minister for US and I was also taking to the
after of school with Melanie Harry. But there's really no
immediate solution.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yeah, you know, And here we are and it's the
middle of October, and we have these conversations all the
time going back to school, and the school and the
district and the department know which children need additional supports,
additional challenges, and yet how often do we hear the
story that my child can't go back to school because
the support that he or she needs is simply not there.

(56:28):
And yet we know that child was in grade four,
is the same person and had required supports last year,
is moving on to grade five, and they go back
to school to find out that they're not there, even
though the family is interacted with the vice principal and
the principal in August, you know, making sure that their
kid is going to get the health they need, and
it's not there. It's you know, and I don't even
know where to point the finger or blame here, because

(56:49):
I don't imagine it's as easy as saying, well, we're
going to hire four hundred more people who work in
the system, not even knowing if there's four hundred people
out there who are actually trained to do what we
need them to do. So, I think it's just snowballed.
It became when we just said that we're going to
have an inclusive education model, which constant consequently just meant
that everybody, regardless of the challenge, goes to the same school.

(57:11):
But unless everyone gets whatever support they need, the we're
just failing everybody in the school system. We are If
I have a child whose mobility issue or summer on
the profound end of the spectrum, or has a behavioral
issue and they don't have their support worker they need
in classroom, every single student feels it, every single teacher
feels it. So the inclusive model and I hate to

(57:32):
say it out loud, but I think it's true. It
doesn't work the way it's currently structured. It simply does
not work.

Speaker 10 (57:38):
No, it really doesn't. And my daughter, like I said,
she's got, you know, some very challengeing needs and we're
in this rural area and you know, in my mind,
like she almost needs an irt to herself. They've said
it too, like she almost needs an irt to herself
to be successful.

Speaker 11 (58:02):
In school.

Speaker 10 (58:03):
And you know, without that, we're really we're just doing
this day after day. I expect to call any and
every every just about every day, I expect a call
because as soon as she has challenged some challenge of behaviors,
they don't know what else to do. They have other
kids to try to help, and here she is, right.

(58:24):
So I would be open to the discussion if it
ever came around to the idea of maybe in these situations,
maybe there could be some kind of program where a
parent could be paid to homeschool their child in this
kind of situation, or some kind of maybe sending them

(58:45):
to a bigger school where there's more resources or something
like that. Like right now, it's you know, if the
school calls and she gets sent home. I have childcare
issues and I miss work. I missed last year. I
missed a lot of work trying to do this.

Speaker 8 (59:03):
And.

Speaker 10 (59:05):
I rely on some something help from my mom and
also for my recipe care worker. So I use a
lot of rescie care hours just just for this kind
of situation. And yeah, there's no ind in sight, there's
no no solution, but I you know, I understand, I
fully accept it. You know, this is a I can't

(59:27):
be the only one. Geographically, I'm in a rural area
with the only really high sport needs child in the
area who attend school, and maybe it's time to discuss
some more options for parents that, like, if they're not
actually going to put the sports in place, give us
some more options.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah, I mean, and that's fair enough, and it's i'd
also put out there. I don't even know how many
parents can actually take on that additional responsibility. Maybe some
would want to simply out of love and affect for
their child, but deep down inside thinking, man, oh man,
I really don't know if I've got that in me
to do day in, day out twenty four to seven

(01:00:09):
when we were told by successive governments that the school
system would accommodate. So it's a failure and it really is,
and in some forms it might be an actual betrayal.
And I'm not pretending that I have all the answers,
but boy, someone who's been hired or elected to do
exactly that, it's about time they come forward with some
of these answers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:00:29):
Yeah, Like really, I look at it as her human
right to be in schools right now being violated because
that support is not there that she logically.

Speaker 12 (01:00:41):
Needs to be in school.

Speaker 10 (01:00:44):
It's like her behavioral challenges and center needs are a
part of her disability. You know she can't help it
a lot of it, and you know she needs this
separate person to support, you know, one on one, well
really two on one, because she has a student assistant

(01:01:06):
in irt with her all the time.

Speaker 9 (01:01:07):
Usually.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
I completely understand, Sarah. I appreciate you making time for
the program. Anything else you'd like to say, No, I'm
just just I.

Speaker 10 (01:01:18):
Really hope they will come up with some kind of
solution for this. Really, to do this all school year
is going to be a big, big challenge.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
For us, no doubt about it. I appreciate your time, Sarah,
thank you for the call.

Speaker 10 (01:01:29):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
You're welcome.

Speaker 9 (01:01:31):
Bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Yeah, I mean we can't admit that. It doesn't make
you a bad person. The inclusive model of education conceptually
sounds like exactly the right thing to do, you know,
to isolate people with different challenges or needs and not
be part of the general school population feels very called
and callous, which is why inclusive sounds good. But sounding

(01:01:54):
good and being good are two different things. Let's go
ahead and take a break. When we come back, we're
talking about doctors and whatever the case. If you took away,
welcome back. To the show. Let's go to one number
two when Sean you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (01:02:05):
Good morning, Patty, and I've got some notes made here,
so I don't get all tangled up. But I spoke
to you about two years ago. But first let me
say I want to show you a bouquet for your
valuable advice, your empathetic, empathetic views, and you're just you're humanity.
You're so important to society giving people an opportunity to

(01:02:29):
present their views, and I just want to thank.

Speaker 9 (01:02:31):
You for that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
I appreciate it. It's more of the show than me.
Thanks for that.

Speaker 13 (01:02:35):
Yeah, Well, I want to say, well, I spoke to
you two years ago. I spoke to you from a
crack house and I asked you advice for someone that
lived there. And I just wanted to speak about where
I've been to I was involved with drugs. First of all,
I worked my thirty five years. I retired. When I retired,

(01:02:58):
I got entangled with the wrong type of people. Now,
I was lucky enough that my kids were raised. I
had boats and trailers and bikes and trucks and everything
he could want. I lost it, oh, out of it.
I had nothing but the clothes at my back because
of the cocaine and promised the cant He just is

(01:03:20):
going to enact on the laws about the violent defenders
and repeat defenders. I think that one of the things
that he should look at is to the people that
not the users of the drug, but the distributors and
the ones who sell it. Their penalties are so slight.
And I'll give you a little example is that I

(01:03:42):
know one instance right now today a person who was
convicted of selling cocaine and he destroyed so many loves
you wouldn't believe. And he served some time in prison,
and when he got out, he went right back to
the same thing he did before. And I only heard
about yesterday or a day or so go that he

(01:04:04):
beat the girl that he was with, which is no
drug addict, because that's who they are. They get these
people that come in there in their lives and they've
got the drug the thing that they want, so they'll
abuse them, use them whatever they need from them. So
they'll get their money for one and they'll get their

(01:04:26):
services too. And I think that the Prime Minster Cournty
should have that in there that anyone who was convicted
of selling that drug. And there's more than just coked
the myths and all the other stuff they are playing
with people's lives. I when I started this, knew a
bunch of people, and I cannot count now and both

(01:04:48):
my hands how many deaths have been people's lives have
been taken away because of that drug.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Now, when.

Speaker 13 (01:04:59):
I got out of this drug abuse. When I was
in there, I used to excuse that my family, I'm
better off away from them because like this, I'm no
good to anybody. So I continued at the drugs. And
when I decided to leave the drug world, I left

(01:05:19):
and I was diagnosed two months later with stage four cancer.
And that's another whole bunch of events. But I have
to say too that the doctor's, doctor Rourke, doctor bed,
doctor Edwards at the Health Science are absolute angels. They've

(01:05:40):
kept me a lot. Two years ago, they gave me
six months two years, that's over two years ago. Not
only have my I'm not going to recover at stage four,
but not only has my life improved back to where
I was almost two before I was started. I've taken
when I not me, but my girlfriend has followed me

(01:06:05):
in the same path. And drugs are now the door
and that is closed behind us, and I just see
I just feel that something the lias should be the
penalty should be increased, because these people are taking people's lives,
and if they don't take their life, they're actually still

(01:06:25):
taking it because any part of society that they were
you know, helpful in is completely gone.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Yeah, their quick comment. You know, just recently, there's been
somebody charged with selling a pill that was supposed to
be xanax to a fourteen year old kid, and of
course it was xanax and I dropped the kid dead.
That dealer's being charged and rightfully.

Speaker 13 (01:06:47):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
You know, it's one thing to charge cocaine dealers or
meth dealers or fentanyl dealers with whatever level of crime,
but when the drug is being misrepresented, if you've got
cocaine that's less with fentanyl and people don't know and
it drops them dead, that's a crime beyond just trafficking.
Same thing with that pill that was annex that killed
that little fourteen year old boy. Until we change the
way we approach these schedule aid drugs or these illicit

(01:07:10):
toxic drugs, we're just going to see the problems just grow.
I mean, the overdose crisis in this country is out
of control. Now we don't feel it quite as distinctly
as they do, for instance, in British Columbia. But like
everything else, it moves from west to east, and before
we know it, we'll be in the same throws of
overdose deaths here that they are there on a per
capita basis. So you know, I'm really curious to find

(01:07:31):
what happens in that one trial with that dealer is
charged in the death of that little boy or that
teenage boy.

Speaker 13 (01:07:37):
Yeah, that should be broad and right across, because you know,
if your lives are not like that young man, that
young boy, he died needlessly and the drug, the cocaine
now is so pure that he maybe he doesn't even
need to be mixed with fentanel to kill you, you know.
And like you said earlier, yeah, you could go to

(01:08:00):
work and you smoke marijuana and you get tested and
you'll get cut, but you can do cocaine and go
back to work after the weekend and you're okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Yeah, we created a problem in some of these industrial communities.
I use for McMurray as an example because I know
people who have lived there and they say the same thing.
You know, the way the companies. The companies have the
rights for the random drug test, but we if the
workers know that the cocaine's out of my system before
I go back on my rotation, versus the weed is
still in my system and they want to use drugs,

(01:08:30):
what do you think they're going to do. They don't
want to jeopardize their jobs, so they're going to use
cocaine then while they're into an expensive day.

Speaker 13 (01:08:37):
Too bad is that when I was using cocaine, I
could hide it from my best friend. He'd never know. Yep,
he'd never know doing cocaine. But if I smoked the joint,
the marijuana, it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Your stone, that's right, You're right, you know, so I
could go.

Speaker 13 (01:08:53):
You could be working using cocaine and if you're not
being tested in your work, they're never know. But if
I smoke marijuana, the first thing like smell marijuana, have
you and you look stone?

Speaker 6 (01:09:05):
You know?

Speaker 13 (01:09:05):
By my One of my friends said to me one time,
how does your body keep it from his voice that
he's doing cocaine? And I said, well, he said, she
got to know. He said, she doesn't have one other clue.
But if he went in the house and we just
smoked marijuana in the shed, she'd know immediately.

Speaker 11 (01:09:24):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:09:25):
It's just it's such a hidden drug. And I met
people when I was in that world. I met people
that were criminal. They go and steal you the money
from your chains, in your care if they needed it.
And my case, if I didn't have the money, I
just didn't have it and that was it. But it's

(01:09:46):
like a hockey team. You got good and bad players
and it, you know, and I just think that it's
so out of control. And I've lost so many And
I call him friends because I met him in drug
world and these people were some of them had doctorate degrees.
You know, they're not people that are just criminal. They're

(01:10:08):
not all criminal there some but you know, yeah, it's
just society as labeled, labeling people. You know, you see
this guy he's doing on the side the street and
he's begging for money. Okay, if he is genuinely in
trouble and needing money, well he should get whatever help

(01:10:29):
he needs. But if it's because of drugs, he needs
more help than just money.

Speaker 9 (01:10:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Yeah, it's a complicated issue that we kind of gloss
over and we treat everyone then the throes of addictions
that's some sort of dreg of society. When look, I
have a body of mine, married, educated, good job children.
Next thing, you know, lost the wife, lost the kids,
lost his jobs. He's on the verge of losing his life.
And he was an upper crossed, you know, responsible professional,

(01:10:57):
and then it went sideways and it went side way fast.
It breaks my hairt Sean Less. I'm glad you're doing better,
and I'm glad you called this morning.

Speaker 13 (01:11:05):
Thanks your time, take it appreciated anytime.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
All right, boyd bye, all right, let's get a break in,
do not go away, welcome back to the show. Let's
go to line number three. Take you more to the
re elected member of the House of Assembly in Saint Mary's.
Oh my god, I should have plasent you, sat Mary,
says Sherry Gamy Walsh. Morning Sherry, around the air.

Speaker 12 (01:11:27):
Good morning, Patty. I actually say Placentia, Saint Mary's and
Trinity Cent. So when the time comes through the review,
I am going to be heavily advocating that Trinity South
be added to the name of this district if it
remains as it is, because I have over three thousand
people probably cut to four thousand and Trinity South and
their name is not included in the district.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Point taken. But I wish you guys would knock it off,
because it's hard enough to remember the district says they are.

Speaker 9 (01:11:55):
I hear you.

Speaker 12 (01:11:56):
I know, but you know what back in two thousand
and fifteen and this happened, and they realigned the districts
and change the names. I mean, I spoke out in
Whipburn that that day I wasn't elected, and I said, like,
how can you just call a Placentia Saint Mary's when
you're adding all these people from Blaketown to Green Harbor
and we're not calling the Trinity South like really like
And I still, and I'll tell you, I felt that

(01:12:18):
over the last ten years, the people in Trinity South
do not seem included because I'm saying I'm plus Centia
Saint Mary's. Well, I'm actually Placentia Saint Mary's, Trinity South,
And you know that's the fact, And they really feel excluded.
And they've brought that up to me numerous times over
the last ten years, and to the point that even
when I speak, like sometimes in the House of Simily,

(01:12:38):
I'd say Placentia Saint Mary's and then i'd pause and
Trinity subs. But anyway, that's that's the fact, and they
do feel excluded from the district because of the name.
I was listening, you know, my task hat came on
as I was listening to you here this morning, I
heard Sarah, I'm advocating for her her child who's in school,

(01:12:58):
and it just brought me back. Honest to god, my
son is twenty nine years old now, and I entered
politics advocating for persons with disabilities and inclusive education and
you know, and I had and you said something there,
but you know, inclusion and it's not inclusion at all costs,
by no means, it's not. And it really brought me back,
and I could feel, I could hear in her voice,

(01:13:18):
and I just could feel the anguish that she's going
through trying to, you know, get the proper education for
a job. I had to give up work. My son
was there, but you know, I had a fabulist school
and he did well and he's doing well today. But
it took me having to give up a part of
my salary to ensure that, you know, he was there
every time they called or every time they needed me

(01:13:40):
to go to the school. It's really really her families.
And there's a lot more children today that have diagnosed
with autism spectrum and other disabilities in the school system.
So I could really feel it in her voice. And
I know when I went into politics in twenty fifteen,
I went in advocating for persons with disabilities, and we
had me some strides like the Accessibility Act now and

(01:14:03):
we had accessible parking for blue zones and stuff, but
there's so so much more it needs to be done.

Speaker 14 (01:14:08):
It really is.

Speaker 12 (01:14:09):
And like I've been ten years in there doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Well, as long as I've been doing this, all the
way back to sitting on the couch on out of
the Fog, we've been talk about the same thing and
I've had the same perspective ever since. And I'm you know,
I get why politicians or governments are loth to acknowledge
because there's a certain calusons that comes with saying inclusive
doesn't work, because being inclusive it sounds like a very

(01:14:32):
good thing. Conceptually speaking, it's an absolute appropriate path. But
when things don't work, let's just not worry about the label.
Let's just make things work. Because you know, politicians are
particularly get caught up on the label, and the label
is important when you're trying to sell yourself out the door.
But in the pragmatic, big scheme of things, it either
works or doesn't.

Speaker 12 (01:14:50):
Yeah, exactly. And you know what, when I think about
inclusion versus non inclusion, I think about years and years
ago when children's disabilities were isolated in a room in
another part of the school and nobody knew they were there.
That's not inclusion, right, that's not And I mean we
were fighting to like close the unit at the Waterford
Hospital and to allow people into community, and that's where

(01:15:11):
the fight started. And I guess you know, there's just
such aspiration and there is a need to ensure that
the resources and supports are there to include persons with disabilities.
But you also got to each individual. It's individual individual
supports and that's really and truly what has to be examined,
both by the families and by the school system and

(01:15:33):
by society as a whole. But anyway, I called in
today that that just hit me when I was listening
to her, and I could just feel it in her
voice and it brought me right back when I was
that fearing. Anyways, Okay, I have to get off that
subject the House of the Family. So yeah, the official
results are in and for the first time in my
tenure career, I'm in opposition, so it's going to be interesting.

(01:15:56):
And you know, I wanted to speak to the people
of Potential Saint Mary's in the South and I want
to thank them for you know, putting their faith in
me to continue on as their MHA. I have worked
hard on behalf over the last ten years. And the
district is really big, it's geographically big, and it's really
hard you at all these events and going seven days
a week. Like people some people, not all people. Some

(01:16:19):
people really don't understand what we as politicians do. And
in rural Newfoundland, I'm telling you, we are really spreadin
Like there's so many I fourteen volunteer fire departments, nine schools,
fifty four communities like and I want to represent each
and every one of them equitable. So I'm doing my
best with turns saying you know, where did I go
last year? Where do I go this year? Where was

(01:16:40):
it to the last time I've been there? Too many times.
I need to go to this community like it's constant,
constant content and it's seven days a week because a
lot of these events happen on Friday night, Saturday, Saturday night,
Sunday afternoon, and then you're back to work and Mondays
are wicked in the office. Monday too, These are the
busiest days in the office. Constituency assistant. She's non NonStop

(01:17:03):
and so like, it's really busy seven days a week.
And even though I was on I took a holiday
back in July. I had one schedule for January and
with by local stuff going on, so I said, no,
I'm not going anywhere. I just can't. I just couldn't
comfortably leave. So I stayed here and then we took
a holiday in July for like eight days, seven nights,
and I worked two hours every single morning in another

(01:17:24):
country because I wanted to stay on top of it.
You can't shot your computer down and you can't leave it.
You just it's not possible. Everyone says to me, Oh,
you'll turn off the computer. I read its own home.
You can't do it. You just cannot do it. People
are relying on you, and with fifty four communities, there's
a lot of people. But we're in the official opposition.
I just want to let people know that, you know,

(01:17:45):
we have projects going on in the district. We have
a twelve million dollar project going on in Dumble that's
going to continue. We have a sauce plant project that's
almost done in Saint Mary's and it's taken me ten
years to arrive at this, and I know everybody wants
the same thing. Everybody wants gone. We have a transportation
infrastructure project happening in Riverhead. It's a little bit longer

(01:18:05):
than what we anticipated. They ran in some snags along
the way, but it's still going down there. And there's
been some paving happening on the Cake Shore, which people
will love to hear because you know, the cap Shore
is so beautiful and for tourism. And there's there's an
add on in Branch Country. Its almost five kilometers that
has been awarded to a contractor. So yes, it will

(01:18:27):
be done when you know, when the contractor gets to
doing it, but it has been awarded. So there's a
lot of things going on. And right now we're in
the solution, so we don't get sworn in until like
probably after thirty first of October, so you know, we're
not porn in. We're elect MHAs right now. I actually
have to reminquish my laptop and it's told today. So

(01:18:48):
there's a lot of things that you know, we have
to do that. People think that we're right into it
and we have access to everything right away, but we don't.
Now we're trying to and I know all of us
are trying our best to continue on as normal. But
it's not that easy to continue on as normal, and
you don't have the resources to do it, and we
don't have them right yet, but we will, we will. Yes,
that's kind of what I want to speak about today. Oh,

(01:19:08):
you know, one more thing, I'm going to talk to
the twenty four hour emergency and Whippurn. So the PC
leader now the Premier elector Yeah, I guess that's what
he's You know, the leader oft PC party was out
in my district during the election and in Whitburn and
really caused, you know, ruffle a lot of feathers by saying,
if you elect my candidates, you know, when I elected,

(01:19:32):
I'm going to open the emergency units, the emergency wing
in Whitburn twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. Well, Patty,
I guess he's going to have to use robots to
do that because I know our government and helping our
health services have been advertising the positions for physicians for
that twenty four hour with nobody biting, nobody taking. You know,

(01:19:52):
nobody wants to offer. No, We just we cannot find
the positions to require number of positions to work to
open a twenty four hour emergency. So we did open
an urgent care which is Monday to Friday ninety four
and I was advocating for some more hours, some evening
hours for that prior to the election. I'm waiting to

(01:20:13):
see how he's going to open the twenty four hour
emergency in Whitbord and maintain the supports and services that
needed at a Pluffentia hospital where there's more resources, and
at the same time in Whitburn I have no idea
how it's going to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Well, I'm not so sure either by these questions that
I'm happy to pot put two premier designates when we
get a chance. Shery, congratulations once again, I appreciate your time.

Speaker 12 (01:20:36):
Thank you very much for you. Welcome for Jenny, Patty,
and you have a good day.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
You too, Boydbye. As Cherry Gamma Walsh re elected it
in Placentia, Saint Mary's Trinity South. Let's take a break.
Charlie's there to talk about attracting doctors, reflection on the election,
MoU whatever you want to talk about. Welcome back. Let's
go to line number four. Charlie, you're on the air.

Speaker 6 (01:20:54):
Hello, Patty. How you doing today?

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Excellent today? Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 15 (01:20:58):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:20:59):
Good?

Speaker 6 (01:20:59):
Pretty good?

Speaker 9 (01:20:59):
Is all day? But that's it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:02):
The issue I was saying about or thinking about, the
whole doctor issue. It's almost like that movie that they
created they should do where it was Deception. I can't
remember the name of the movie. It was made here
in Newkland where they played cricket.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Oh, the Grand Seduction.

Speaker 6 (01:21:21):
Yes that's it, Yes, that's it. There's not a lot
of outdoor pursuits here in Nwkland. I spent a bit
of time in the mid eighties down White Water wrapping
down New Zealand, and there's a school down there where
anybody can apply to it. It's in Wanica. It's a
Mount Aspiring or Aspirings College. And we don't have enough

(01:21:47):
outdoor pursuits on the island, and I think that has
led to a lot of mental health issues and that
kind of thing. They should invest some money into and
look for a good educators to promote outdoor pursuits on
the island's I mean, they can't even find kayak guides
here on the island, not like they once did.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
But I mean there are still some like I mean,
if you compare and contrast things like I mean, we
picked something off the top of my head, the East
Coast Trail. I mean for hikers who look for, you know,
opportunities to pursue outdoor activity. East Coast Trail offers a
pretty significant chance for a visitor who's of that mind, adventure, tourism,
Labrador and otherwise. I think there are some, maybe not enough.

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
Oh that's all good, that's all good. But doctors these days,
they want their kids to be well educated, and sorry,
our education system's not up to it. They want their
kids to be they don't have time to teach them
practical things like homestead living, gardening, that kind of thing.
They want their kids to learn this stuff. If they
want their kids to play competitive sport, they're going to

(01:22:55):
go to a big center, but in a whole community
and isolate places in order to attract these educated doctors,
nurses and that they got to have things for their
kids and this is where how much you don't need
a new building. You just need to buy good equipment,
good clothing, that kind of thing. It doesn't cost a lot,

(01:23:18):
So why not put some money into that? And that
will attract educated people to come here to new plants. Right,
So that's just my take on that thing for one thing.
And also we talked before about building schooners and that
kind of thing. Things like that attract well educated people

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that want to come and live here. Why isn't there
more money put into that kind of thing? They should
have been done thirty years ago. I worked in retail
since I was a kid, and I worked the summer
seasons and I would travel in the winter. I was lucky.
I was introduced to the outdoor pursuits as a kid,
and I traveled a bit around the world in the wintertime.

(01:24:02):
And they should put more money into the pursuits and
that would attract I think it would attract more doctors
and nurses.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
To the Yeah. Possibly, And look, I mean there's no
tale like retail. Also, you know what else attracts them?
Opportunities for their siblings are part of me. Their children,
Opportunities for their partner, their spouse, opportunities for to be
living in close proximity to amenities, the costs and the
ease with which to get in and out of the province.

Speaker 6 (01:24:31):
That's another issue about promoting homestead living on the coast
in the new plan. Why isn't that promoted. I mean
our grandparents would be laughing at us. With the technology
that is out there today, you don't need to be
connected to the grid. I mean they've built schooners with
hand tools like what's on the go, Like, let's promote it.

(01:24:52):
That's how you get people to come here. But that's
just my take on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
It, and I'm glad you shared it this morning. Charlie,
thanks a lot. Anything else you want to add, No,
that's good.

Speaker 8 (01:25:00):
I just.

Speaker 6 (01:25:04):
It's not bad weather. It keeps people out of the outdoors.
It's bad clothes. That's all we can take.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
You're a Mike Wall follower.

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:25:14):
I don't follow it too much.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
I appreciate the time, man, have a nice weekend. Okay,
bye bye. I have something Doctor Mike Wall on the
Wall show here on VOM says all the time. You know,
weather is not anything that we should make an excuse
for keeping us out of the great outdoors. It's not
the weather, it's the close. All right, let's go line
number two. Jeff, you're on the air.

Speaker 16 (01:25:37):
Hey there, how are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Excellent?

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
You not too bad?

Speaker 8 (01:25:41):
Thanks?

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
Petty her Well, first of all, it feels odd.

Speaker 16 (01:25:48):
I gotta say this, like like I don't know you,
so it feels how to call you petty? What that's
your name?

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Please do?

Speaker 16 (01:25:56):
But I thought of it like with your producer just now,
like a and it helps me, like when when people
are on like Jeopardy and they call Alex tavec By's
name and I just tried that hot Anyway, I listened
to I think his name is Tom Davis last last Friday,

(01:26:19):
talking about like a bunch of different things, and he
mentioned that people in Labrador pay paying I think he
said three point five something since fill a lot of
hour or something for for for for electricity, which which
I I can't say with certainty, but I can tell

(01:26:42):
you what I know.

Speaker 14 (01:26:46):
That I act or what I don't know.

Speaker 16 (01:26:48):
I don't know anyone that's paying fifty bucks a month
for heat and.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Like Labrador interconnected system generation charge is about three point
two cents. But that's not the end result of plus
everyone's on the Labrador interconnected system.

Speaker 16 (01:27:03):
Okay, I wasn't certain about that because I mean, well,
I've been on the credible self imposed and social media
like vacation for lack of a better word, since since April,
but like talking to friends and stuff on Facebook, like
in on the North Coast particularly, and they saw their

(01:27:29):
hydro bills go from from like anywhere from two to
three hundred dollars a month to some of them as
much as like I come almost seven hundred dollars a month.
And it's honestly, I don't know how some of them
like with that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Yeah, And we also have to remember that there's a
bulk of a bunch of people in Labrador get their
power from diesel generation stations. You know, even when the
plant burnt down up Charlottetown, we didn't do anything about
except rebuild another diesel generator. That's strange anyway.

Speaker 16 (01:28:04):
Yeah, And and I I suppose question if, if, if
you don't mind before I go with with regards to
like the whole situation with Canada the USA right now.
And I'm coming at this from someone that's always just
said on like when it comes to anything like particularly

(01:28:28):
like political I I you know, I just things think
just happened, and I sit on the wayside and like
and you know, okay, so that's that's new. And but
does realistically our prime minister have like any impact or

(01:28:49):
or say, like when it when it comes to like
like provinces or premiers taking their issues out and calling
on him or like putting it on him or.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
That, do you mean things like being able to flow
power and pipelines across the country without the provinces having
their own authority to make their own decisions? Is that
kind of what you're getting that and sort of that?

Speaker 16 (01:29:21):
But but like when when maybe my premier of Alberta
or Ontario point like towards the Prime minister as how
coming you're not getting us a better trade deal or
or something like is that entirely on the prime minister
or is that like a more an industrial up to
the companies or the like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
You know, no, that would be a political negotiation, but
you're also talking about negotiating with someone in bad faith,
who's unpredictable and has very little basis for this newly
instigated tariff based trade war. We had a deal, he
blew it up, pretended that it was about national security,
and so I suppose the unpredictability is a big part
of this. Will the Prime Minister every'll be able to

(01:30:07):
secure a better deal than we currently have? I hope?
So am I optimistic? Not really? But Jeff, anything else
quick before I have to get to the newscast.

Speaker 16 (01:30:17):
No, that's that's that's everything, man. Like I just wondered, like,
is it fair to pre valid to put put everything
on on the prime minister when when I'm not sure if.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
It is well? As you know, as they say, the
buck cast will stop somewhere, and in this country, in
political negotiations, especially international diplomacy, it does stop at the
Prime Minister's That's whether or not that's one hundred percent fair.
That's where it stops, always will, regardless of what part
of lapel pin one is sporting. Jeff, I'm off to
the news, but I appreciate your time this morning. All right,

(01:30:49):
thank you too, Pedi, thanks welcome, by bye. Let's get
to that newscast. Don't go away. You were listening to
a rebroadcast. VOCM Open mind.

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Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to the top
of the board line number one. Mike, you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Yes, Good morning, Patty, Good morning.

Speaker 9 (01:31:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:31:19):
I just I heard you're talking about the m OU
and I have some concerns that I would just like
to bring bring out. You know, I guess you know,
we all understand that mister wakem just got elected in
the new government in and they had, you know, they
had to be given a bit of time with regards
to the understanding the full impact of the m o U,

(01:31:43):
you know, And that's fine, and you know, but we
can't we can't take our time on this, Like we
don't have two years to discuss this and then come
back to the people to let us know whether it's
a good dealer bad deal, because most people in the
NL and Land Labrador, like we don't care about all

(01:32:07):
the detailed financial side of it. We have to know
yes or no, is it a good deal? And to
do that we had to get moving on it. And
I understand, like I said, that they need a bit
of time, but I have some concerns, like and I
understand he mister Waken's independent review. That is fine to

(01:32:28):
have an independent review. Got no problem with it, but
I do have some concerns, no good saying that, like
when is it going to be set up? That's number one.
Number two is who is going to be on that
independent review board? Like we had to know that six
months down the road is no good Hydros are negotiating

(01:32:53):
in present day, you know. And I think whoever mister
wakem has as an individual review, they had to sit
down with NL Hydro and understand fully the MoU and
I'm not hearing. I'm not hearing anything.

Speaker 6 (01:33:10):
I'm that adult.

Speaker 11 (01:33:12):
And the and the second, you know, and the people
have a right to know. They had to know is
it a good deal or a bad deal? You know,
we have and I'll say this to all the political parties.
We just put forty members in government. We put them
there for a reason. We put them to represent us.

(01:33:34):
So I would expect for that forty members to come
out in a in a unified way and agree or
disagree with the with the independent review, you know, because
yes or no, not this bicker and back and forth.
I got no time for that. That's what we elected

(01:33:55):
them for. We didn't elect them to turn the tide
back on the individ to a person in Newfouland, Labrador
who really don't fully understand the implementation of the dollar value, yes,
whether it's good or bad for the problems from New
So you know, my final thing is I would expect

(01:34:17):
from the existing government and their members on a weekly
basis to come out with an update, not to lead
this now because I see what's happening. This is going
to be left for six months and then it's going
to come out. Yeah, well we got this guy, We
got this guy on like they had that independent review
has to be established now and they had to sit

(01:34:41):
down with the with the Hydro team and anywhere, you know,
and and for the government to have there, you know,
for for for the premier and he's minister, a couple
of ministers whoever is going to be involved, Uh set
off to sit down with those people also and understand it.
And the members those other forty people. We're expecting them

(01:35:04):
to get a full review from the from the from
NL Hydro and the indipended people. They are the people
we elected to help us make decisions, not for to
put it back on us and saying well, we're going
to have a reprimendum, reprimend them on this. Now we're
paying me to and he represents us, and you can

(01:35:25):
come back to us whether you vote yeah, you want
to vote yeah, your nay on it, and then you
can have a discussion with your with your people in
your district.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Sure, I mean for starters, I got no problem with
independent review, giving LeBlanc justice. The blaw is really quite
clear on that recommendation, which I think is a good safeguard.
It's the timing of it all here now, and if
this is just more political appointees as individuals to conduct
the oversight, that's not going to work. I mean if
we pick an entity I mean I just brainstorm, or

(01:35:55):
just pick bigger organizations Rothschild or whoever to have a
look at it. Well, it's a timing issue, like when
why are we asking what's the timeline for set a
report to be back in the hands? How's that going
to work? Are we still going to have this binding referendum?
I mean all of those things that we don't really know.
It's just the pretty vague you know, pump the brakes,
independent review, then a referendum, give me some timelines just

(01:36:18):
to consider and then we can add that to the
conversation because currently we don't have a whole whole lot
beyond that from mister Wake exactly.

Speaker 11 (01:36:24):
Patty, that's that's right where I'm coming from. And I
expect like they ran for two or three months.

Speaker 9 (01:36:30):
And they brought it.

Speaker 11 (01:36:31):
This independent review has been brought up for months and months.
I expect somebody, mister wakem Ory's government or somebody has
someone in mind who they would like to see yeah,
on this independent review board. So let's let's hear who
they are. I don't want I don't want to see
the same the same team uh or who did the

(01:36:54):
review for Haidro And I don't want to hear but
hear the same names, the eight or ten names who
came out against the review, because that's not an independent review.
Then an independent review is an independent review. And I
had not heard. I expect mister Wagam to come out
with a schedule because like I said, we don't have

(01:37:18):
six months or a year to the people. The people
have to know is it a good dad deal or
is it a bad deal? And I expect the president
government with the forty members to guide the people of
this province to show us the way what they think
is the way, and you know the people don't agree
with that. You need to worry. They'll hear from the people.

(01:37:40):
The people will speak up. So you know, the timeline
to me is everything, and I not hear nothing on
the timeline.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
Yeah, we've got to get that timeline sooner than later.
I understand the transition and getting the cabinet in place,
and you know, given further thought to some more specifics
and details. But time is important here and I know
Tony Wickham knows that. So hopefully now, maybe even as
early as next week, we'll have our first opportunity to
speak with him as the duly and newly premier designate. Mike,

(01:38:09):
I appreciate you making time for the show. Thank you
very much.

Speaker 9 (01:38:13):
Thank you, Patty, You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Bye bye, And if people people want to speak up
about whatever, including the MBU and timing and points that
Mike made seven zero nine two seven three five two
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you're on the air.

Speaker 5 (01:38:35):
Hey, good Lorna, Hey Morney, Happy Friday.

Speaker 9 (01:38:38):
Bye. I'm awake now.

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
Your buddy told me there next morning, I'm up there
and are I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:38:42):
Our car last week and I didn't call it back
to Kyle woke me up.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
Apologies anyway, I've got me jabbing.

Speaker 7 (01:38:48):
I mean, I'm awake.

Speaker 5 (01:38:50):
So just thanks to you and your buddy and all
the crew and.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
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Speaker 9 (01:38:57):
Or that's what I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
Welcome to the show. What's on your mind?

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Listen.

Speaker 17 (01:39:02):
I just want to say congratulations to the Cory Party
performing in the majority government Newcotland, Labrador and in protect Clark.
I wanted to say thank you to the people in
the range that swung them into power because they were
looking for honesty, just like I was. Because I've been
calling your program since last year when Fury and Company

(01:39:26):
started meeting up with Lego and company and decided to
bring out this MoU. And I called in and I
told you straight up, there should be full disclosure. General
public should want to know what's in this in this MoU.
And he didn't cop up. Nottting and I.

Speaker 7 (01:39:43):
Also told you that my dad worked to Churchill Falls.

Speaker 17 (01:39:45):
For fifteen years as a pipefitter.

Speaker 7 (01:39:48):
And he was proud of every task that he performed
in that at that resource. But he certainly was not
proud of the fact that his children and his grandchildren
did not end a bit, not one time, not Resource
and Purity Company didn't listen, They did not disclose to
the public what they were doing, and the people on

(01:40:09):
those writings that voted PC and swallom God love everyone. Yet,
because now we're going to get full disclosure and we're
gonna watch in this thing for the future generations.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
I'm delighted.

Speaker 9 (01:40:19):
I'm delighted.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
Really, the question I would have is are we are
we going to learn much more than we already know,
regardless of whose in government. That would be my question.
And I think the only opportunity to really know everything
we need to know is when there's actual definitive agreements
and they're in front of the respective leaders and utilities

(01:40:41):
and they're about to sign them. We need those contracts
to be in the House of Assembly so that we
can have a fulsome debate about them and we can
bring all of these folks who are under sworn evidence
offerings there just after the MoU was signed. Bring them
back in so we can ask them questions and get
it on the public record, so that we can as
much information as humanly possible. But right now we've kind

(01:41:05):
of got the cart a little bit in front of
the horse, given the fact that we got something non
bonding that doesn't have all the real detailed information that
we desperately need to know whether or not run the
right track.

Speaker 7 (01:41:16):
Absolutely, and that's that's why I'm calling them back, and
that's why I'm delighted that the Tories one won the election,
because I mean, i mean, let's be honest, the Liberals
are basically saying it themselves. This thing bit them in
the ass because they did not disclosed to the public.
They were not being honest with the general public, the
population of New pland Labrador that volted them in the power.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
For the last ten years.

Speaker 7 (01:41:41):
They were not being honest with him.

Speaker 9 (01:41:42):
At all, and it bit him.

Speaker 7 (01:41:44):
And I'm delighted because now we're going to get honesty.
I mean, it's just ridiculous that this government could think that, hey, listen,
we got your back again after fifty years of a
boondoggle and a liver above them back years ago, they said, hey,
we got your back, but we got nothing out of it.

Speaker 9 (01:42:01):
Nothing out of it.

Speaker 7 (01:42:02):
I mean, I live in Ontario. I spent thirty five
years of my care in Ontario worked, and I'm retired.
I'm retired, ex Newfoundlander with a daughter of my own,
three grandchildren of my own. I should be living in Newfoundland.
I should have never had to move here because of
the boondoggles in the past. And now this liberal government
goes and says, don't worry about it. We got this stuff,

(01:42:25):
no worries, we don't need to disclose. No, I'm sorry,
that's not the case whatsoever. And to fit them right
in the fut And I'm delighted that the Tories are
going to bring this thing out so people can see
it and.

Speaker 9 (01:42:37):
Vote on it.

Speaker 7 (01:42:38):
And it's important. Like your last toller was talking about
expectations about disagreement, I say, what's the rush now, boss,
I mean, we've been waiting fifty years. If we got
to wait till twenty forty one, and let's.

Speaker 5 (01:42:52):
Make them wait, then we'll take it out. What's the rush, buds.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
But we don't get it all in twenty forty one,
which is a pretty base misunderstanding out there. The only
question I would ask about forty one is what do
we think we actually get in twenty forty one? And
I've said this many times. The government put forward a
committee to look at exactly what twenty forty one means.
They did their work, but they wouldn't tell us what
they found. So consequently, there's people out there think that

(01:43:17):
in twenty forty one we own one hundred percent of
the Upper Churchill what is simply not true. So that,
I mean, that was a really getting off on the
wrong foot there. And I don't know what sway the
election necessarily, but you wonder how different things might have
been for the Liberals if after the announcement of the
MoU being signed that they immediately went for what people
would be more accepting of as an independent overview or

(01:43:40):
review of it. It might have changed a lot of
things for the Liberals. But they didn't do it, and
it came back to bite them. To use your words,
you got.

Speaker 7 (01:43:49):
That right, Patty, They were being dishonest. I mean, let's
be honest here. You're talking about a government that's been
in power for ten years. What expectations did we have
out of them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
To do anything in the last ten years.

Speaker 7 (01:44:01):
I mean, they brought in carbon taxes, they brought in
sugar taxes. They voted to rob the public, curse and
pay themselves on the way out the door. I mean,
why would you vote for like It just doesn't make
any sense. But now now we're going to get full
disclosure and the future generations Newfoundland and Labrador, please God,

(01:44:22):
Please God, will benefit this and they won't be talking
to you from Ontario with three grandchildren and a daughter
that lives in Ontario that are ontarios that should be
Newfoundlanders and Laboratorians.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
You know what I mean. That's my point. It's just ridiculous.
But anyways, I'm just.

Speaker 7 (01:44:40):
Hopefully this disclosure comes forward so we can see the
benefits of this for the generations that are to come,
because they will benefit from it and they won't be
talking to you from Ontario. And I just want to
make one more point here before I go, because I
called Tony Wakem's office and I called Jim Dinzy because

(01:45:01):
this thing with the hydro at some point it's going
to come around.

Speaker 9 (01:45:04):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:45:06):
Now, in the province of Quebec, they benefited from the
hydro for a long, long time, and they actually got
their own pension plan, as you know, right. So this stream,
when it actually does start the benefits, hopefully at least
eighty percent of it will flow to the province of
Newfoundland and Labrador. Like I said to Wakem and Jim,

(01:45:26):
Newfoundland and Labrador needs to set up a pension plan
for the people, the future generations of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.
A stream of funds that it's going to come from
trut and falls needs to go right into a Newfoundland
and Labrador pension plan. It needs to be set and
play for them because it'll pay in spades and then some.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
And I truly believe that John appreciate the time this morning.
Thanks a lot cherse Patty, you have a good day
you too, man. Bye bye. Look, let's just play hypotheticals.
If anything comes to pass this to better deal whatever
I mean. People talk about the rights paid and comeback
versus rights paid here. I understand that because I'm a
right payer. But that's all going to be political decision,

(01:46:08):
right is to how any money coming in the door
gets airmarked for whatever purpose. And everyone will have their
own opinion. Someone will say, will you spend it on
healthcare or put it in the future fond or whatever.
For me, If it's not spent on debt and controlling
my power rights, then I think we've missed the boat.
Just personal opinion. Let's take a break for the newscast,
so let me come back. Jeff Saire to talk about

(01:46:30):
the concept of inclusive education, but Trese Gordon a steering
committee member with Childcare Now and El Jim wants to
talk about the referendum, and then whatever you want to
talk about, don't go away.

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Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Look back, let's go to line number six. Jim, you're
on the air.

Speaker 5 (01:46:55):
Hey, how's it going.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
I'm doing okay? How about you?

Speaker 11 (01:47:00):
Bad?

Speaker 14 (01:47:00):
So the referendum I wanted to talk about, No one
to talk about ceasefire and Gadza to is not the
current one on the MoU, but the referendums on confederation
in nineteen forty eight. I want to tie together the
two because we have a history of using referendums and
expressing our political will in this province. You know, we
had the denominational referendums to referendums on confederation, now the

(01:47:22):
one on the MoU and that'll start with the Gazza
cease fire, because it's only a start. There's not going
to be a lasting piece there without justice, and that
justice is a Palestinian state run by Palestinians, not control
from outside.

Speaker 6 (01:47:40):
The ceasefire is.

Speaker 14 (01:47:42):
Already being broken by Israel in a really bad based
manner because they're saying that Hamas is breaking the ceasefire.
They're not returning the dead bodies of hostages that are
buried under rubble. Now let's get this straight. Israel kill
those Israeli hostages. If they're buried under rubble, they were
killed by bombs or missiles.

Speaker 6 (01:48:01):
Or tank fire.

Speaker 14 (01:48:02):
So given that the text of the ceasefires that Hamas
will bring every put every effort in to bring the
dead hostages back, it's acting in bad faith for Israel
to say they're breaking it by not being able to
excavate people. Then they've got no excavators. And these are
people of course that Israel killed themselves, and they're breaking

(01:48:25):
the ceasefire by cutting the aid that they promised and
are required to send into Gaza six hundred trucks a
day to half three hundred trucks a day. Now, six
hundred trucks a day is bare minimum food for people
that's starving, right, three hundred trucks a day. They have
no authority to do this under the ceasefire. They're breaking
it unilaterally. But the reason that this is so concerning

(01:48:45):
is because they've broken all the past ceasefires. If we
think about the one earlier this year January to March,
the violation and the aftermath of that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
Has been horrendous.

Speaker 14 (01:48:56):
The Israel violated that ceasefire on the night of March
eighteenth by massive wearing four hundreds of Palestinian civilians and
then resuming there in the cosset. And what they did
right after that is they cut the aid from that
level to sixty percent of what Palestinians needed bare minimum
for the next month, and the month after, and then

(01:49:17):
the month after that they cut it down to thirty percent.
And then not think, right, how are you going? Like,
how would you eat if someone stole seventy percent of
your groceries before you even got home? You can't, right,
They're using starvation as a weapon of war. They're using
these ceasefires to repair their public image, and they've been
doing this since nineteen forty eight. Israel has broken every
cease fire that they have concluded with another party since

(01:49:41):
forty eight. They broke ceasefire in forty nine, sixty seven,
seventy three, they broke it again in eighty one, eighty two,
broke seasfire eighty eight. They broke them four times in
two thousand and one, two thousand and two, again in
two thousand and eight, and another three times in twenty eleven,
twenty twelve, and there's been a handful since then, including
the one earlier this year. So we need to remain

(01:50:03):
vigilant because Israel is going to try to break the
ceasefire again. They already have and I'm very concerned that
this will not last while the world looks on to
other things. So in nineteen forty eight, to bring back
to the referendum is a significant year because because in
Palestine what happened then is known as the Nakba, and
that seven hundred thousand people were driven from their homes,

(01:50:24):
many people killed, and now today it's happening still two
million people in gods that have been displaced. There were
only two point two million people in Godza at the
start of the war and nearly one hundred thousand people
have been killed. Right, but Palestine has been occupied for
longer than the state of Israel. And in fact, in
nineteen forty eight, we were both under the rule Newfoundland

(01:50:48):
and the Palestine of an unelected foreign power and the
same foreign power, Great Britain, but there were differences between
the two of them. In Newfoundland we gotferendum and we
were able to choose our future. Now we might have
had a second referendum because people didn't get the result
they wanted in Canada, and in Great Britain we might

(01:51:10):
have They might have meddled in the vote and it
might have only been fifty one to forty nine. And
if I was there at the time, I voted against confederation.
But we had a choice. And in nineteen forty eight
in Palestine Britain, instead of letting them have their freedom,
they allowed another genocide to begin three years after the
Holocaust by some of the very people who were victimized

(01:51:30):
by it.

Speaker 7 (01:51:31):
That's obscene and.

Speaker 14 (01:51:33):
I ask myself, why, like, what's the reason we got
our freedom and they did not The only reason I
can see is we looked like British people were white
and Palestinians aren't. But regardless of why it happened the
way it did, we got our freedom to chune out
our destiny and we did choose it. Palestine did not.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
And that's wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
And because you.

Speaker 14 (01:51:56):
Know, I don't think seeing the history, there can be
any lasting piece of justice. We need a Palestinian state now,
and we can't let Israel oversee or control it. They've
got a history of breaking cease fires, using famine as
a weapon of war, and the statements of their government
minister is expressing genocidal intent.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
If you look up quotations.

Speaker 14 (01:52:16):
By Idmar BEng Verir national security minister, or Bezialel Smotrich,
their finance minister, Israel Catcer Defense Minister, order Prime Mister
Benjamin Not in Yahoo, they're saying things that you humanize
the Palestinians and openly express that they will continue this
as a war of annihilation. They will not stop until
there is no Palestine, and we cannot let that happen.

(01:52:36):
We can't trust Israel to have any kind of oversight
or control over the future Palestinian state. We also can't
let the world step in and impose that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
I can you give me just a moment and.

Speaker 14 (01:52:50):
Let you step in or do you want to ask
you a question? Sorry, go ahead, okay, Well I just
want to say because it's a viction serning now with
Donald Trump and his peaced twenty twenty five in the
flashy ceremonies, but it seems like instead of the Palestinians
getting to choose their own destiny, it's the world stepping
in an imposing one on them. And that's not self determination,

(01:53:12):
that's not rice. When you have people like Tony Blair. Now,
this is the guy who, along with George W. Bush,
went in an invaded Iraq and made it a hellhole
for a decade more. Since that man has no credibility
in a peace process, that man has no credibility in
the Middle East, it needs to be local Palestinian leaders

(01:53:34):
that do construct this new state. Now, I might personally
coming around to a one state solution. I don't think
Israel can be allowed to exist in the same way
the Nazi Germany couldn't be allowed to exist after the
Second World War. A Palestinian state from the river to
the sea, and that's not a hamas slogan. From the
Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea is the historical homeland

(01:53:55):
of the Palestinian people, it's the current homeland of the
Palestinian Palestinian people, and and it'll be the future homelet
of the Palestinian people. But like that's up in the
air right now. And if people like Mark Kearney or
care Starmer or Emmanuel Macron has since here hopes for
a two state solution, they need to like pressure Israel
to release Marwan Barghuti now because he's the most popular

(01:54:18):
Palestinian leader by a long shot, and he is one
of the very few who still thinks that he's two
state solution as possible.

Speaker 16 (01:54:26):
Now.

Speaker 14 (01:54:27):
Now, this man was beaten to within an inch of
his life a month ago, and it's a question of
whether he's still alive. But if he's been in prison
for political reasons for decades and he's never even seen
his own grandchildren, so I think the window for a
two state solution is rapidly closed. And you've got Israel
on one side and you've got the people standing with
Palestinia on the other. So if these world leaders, these technocrats,

(01:54:50):
to these experts, so called experts think that, you know,
a two state solution can be had. You need to
pressure Israel to let out the people are who are
actually in favor of that credibility with the Palestinian people
to actually propose that and not impose it on them.
That's not justice. Now, Patty, what were you going to say?

Speaker 9 (01:55:09):
Hard to know.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
We'll start now. But a couple of things point take
in regarding how people died that are buried under robble,
even though we don't really know when everybody died as hostages,
I'll add that to it. Secondly, you know, an actual
ceasefire does indeed not only talk about things like the
return of hostages, and that goes both ways. It also

(01:55:33):
requires some ask to actually agree to lay down their
arms while we try to figure this out. And you
talk about Israeli rule of what we refer to as
the God's Strip and or some of the things that
go on the west back which we don't talk about,
which is remarkable to me. But anyways, the control of
that particular piece of land and the people living on
is more likely than not not going to be under

(01:55:54):
Israeli rule. It's going to be under American rule, which
is there's a distinctive overlap there anyway. But I think
that's distinction worth making here now because when we hear
from people who are say they've been behind brokering this
particular ceasefire, last in peace is utopia, which has never
come true. It's in storybooks, but we're talking about it
like it's just a real estate transaction, which really does

(01:56:16):
is devoid of humanity, is devoid of what's happened that
since October the seventh, is devoid of what's happened since
the middle forties. So when we talk about it like that,
then of course pragmatic long term piece is compromised because
because words matter, they just do, and it doesn't matter
what's sided with this year on. Words absolutely matter and
they always will and there's a reason for it, just

(01:56:37):
because of the time. I'm going to leave it there
very quickly, but I'll give you the floor for the
final thought.

Speaker 14 (01:56:42):
Well, thanks, Patty. I think you're absolutely right that we
have to humanize this discussion a lot more than treating
it like a transaction. A lot of people in Newfoundland
fealthy effects of the Placentia Bay re settlement in the
mid nineteen sixties, and that was people who had services
taken away from them, pitted against each other, members of
their own community, and eventually forced from their homes. But

(01:57:02):
what's going on in Gaza right now is still going on?

Speaker 16 (01:57:04):
Is that?

Speaker 14 (01:57:05):
Plus the house is bombed, plus happy families killed. So
perhaps we can draw on some of our shared experiences
in Newfoundlanders and Laboratory and display a bit of empathy
to the situation.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
Yeah, I guess losing services is different than life, but
I'll get your point and the analogy. Thanks for the time, Jim,
plus today I understand appreciate this. Having nice weekend, Thank
you too, Patty. Thank you all right, final break in
the morning and the week where we'll come back. It's
inclusive education and I assume we're talking childcare. Don't go away,
welcome back. Let's get a couple in before were a
lot of time. Started with a line number three, Jeff,

(01:57:36):
you're on the air.

Speaker 5 (01:57:38):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 9 (01:57:39):
How are you this morning?

Speaker 1 (01:57:40):
I'm very well, thank you. How about you?

Speaker 5 (01:57:42):
I'm doing well, Patty. First of all, i'd like to
identify with Sarah who called earlier in the show. Like her,
I am the parent of a student with autism who
has very high needs I'd like to say that where
I'm from in the Mary's Tern Bureau area, that the
instructional resource teachers and the student assistants are doing great

(01:58:05):
work working with the children down here who have pervasive needs.
Given their situation and the resources that they have at
their disposal, they're doing great work. But like you alluded
to in your conversation with Sarah, the model that they're
working in is just not benefiting the children like it
should be.

Speaker 1 (01:58:26):
Agreed. I think that's as plan as the nose on
your face. It really is, and that's really unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (01:58:31):
Yeah, I feel patty that, you know, here we are
struggling about trying to get what's best for these children.
I'm also a retired educator, and I think sometimes the
solution is obvious. You know, We're live in an age
of technology. We need to look nationally and globally to
see what's working. There's no need to reinvent the wheels,

(01:58:54):
so to speak. You know, find what's working, you know,
and act on it resources like we need to, because
you know, then we can have these children who have
pervasive needs like my child and serious child can reach
your full potential.

Speaker 10 (01:59:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
Yeah, I mean just even incremental steps that brought us
to where we are. You know, even if you just
point to something like the school for the Death they closed,
it moved deaf children who would have gone to that school,
which is only predominantly people living in this part of
the island, and put them in to the cater twelve system.
And then what do we have. We have things like
human rights challenges for young Carter Churchill. We've had other

(01:59:35):
people who don't have the time or they want to
go through that process, who send me private email saying,
please don't disclose my name, but my heart of hearing
or profound. A deaf child is being left behind in
full full sitting there at their desk in complete silence
all day with no one who speaks their language, and
we're pretending that we're doing a good service to that child,

(01:59:57):
to that family, to the rest of the classroom. It's
not it's not working, no, Patty.

Speaker 5 (02:00:01):
And I know you're getting up against the clock there now,
so I'll just go with this type of statement.

Speaker 18 (02:00:07):
I feel within the system because I have been in
it for thirty years, there are educators who know what
would work, but yet they're into trenches and you know
they're still employes of.

Speaker 5 (02:00:22):
The district or the Department of Education. But to add
I think really inclusion as is happening now for my disabled,
intellectually disabled son is exclusion really when it comes to
his education and preparing him. If you look at the
totality of what he needs to know to be prepared

(02:00:43):
for life.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
And that's what we owe your child and every child,
regardless of their life circumstance and or disability or exceptionalities.
It's just the basics of what we're trying to achieve
and we owe to you and everybody else. Really appreciate
your time. Thanks for doing it today, and I hope
you have a nice weekend.

Speaker 5 (02:01:03):
Usual pready, Oliver.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
Youtubell Bye, bye finals, Op. Sorry that was real quick
final thoughts this morning. Liner before second one is one
of the steering committee members at Childcare Now and l
that's for Trese Gordon, Patrise, you're on the air.

Speaker 15 (02:01:16):
Hi, Good morning, Patty, and good morning to your listeners.

Speaker 1 (02:01:19):
The same to you. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (02:01:22):
I just want to talk to you. First of all,
I want to commend your listeners, your callers who have
been on the air this morning talking about childcare, talking
about education and just to say that we have the
same problems in childcare and I'm appalled at the level
of the gentleman just said exclusion and the PC. The

(02:01:46):
PC government has in the platform as are heading setting
children and news up for success and I want the nation,
I want the province to hold them accomuportable and to
just just implore and work with them in getting this
in recognizing now one parents especially to raise their voices.

(02:02:09):
I'm happy that people have been calling in this morning
and this is the way we need to We need
to speak up about it, about lacking the things that
are lacking in the educational system, about childcare that is
going to set us up a success and the educational
system which is lacking. There's legislation in childcare. Their legislation

(02:02:31):
in child care that are as old as nineteen eighty
nine which need to be reviewed. And the previous calar
was talking about something that did something like that in
education as well in the case as welves. These are
the things that we want the PHYC government to look at.
We want to have meaningful dialogue with them as childcare
now new finanal Labrador, and we want to encourage them

(02:02:54):
to they have in their platform. Also the ten dollar
day childcare that they support ten dollar a dhld care.
We want them to keep that top of mind. We
want them to we want them to extend it. We
want them to just look at the system that's ten
dollars a d and they're they're encouraging support for early

(02:03:15):
childhood educators, which is also something that childcare No and
New Pananda Labrador has been advocating for tensions and paidds,
and we're happy that they have it in their platform.

Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
Yeah, you know, I don't see a legitimate argument against
having early childhood educators treated and paid and the benefits
associated with educators in the pre K two twelve system.
I mean, if we're talking about the formative fears of
brain development, the formulave fears of socialization, how could we

(02:03:49):
not treat them if not exactly the same, but very
very similar, including the benefits packagers they deserve. If ninety
percent of my brain is developed by the time I'm
age five, don't we think that early childhood educators need
to be a properly trained, a properly paid, recruited and
retained the same way we talk about teachers in the system.

Speaker 15 (02:04:07):
And I want to thank you for that particle. You're
always whenever I speak to you, that's always your point,
and I'm happy that you speak. You speak on behalf
of on behalf of early childhood educators, because it's true.
If the children aren't set up in the early shaieses,
when they get to K to twelve, they're not ready
for CA to twelve. So even K to twelve depends

(02:04:30):
on the early childhood sector, it does.

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
I mean, the documentation is there even if we just
use pre K. And not to take away from childcare
and early childhood education, but pre K. If you look
at comparative scores, median scores across grade three, grade sixth,
grade nine, grade twelve, pre K has made a difference.
So let's treat pre K like we would from being
a toddler and socializing and learning skills and reading and

(02:04:54):
sharing and all those fundamentals. We set people up for success.
So to me, regardless of your political leanings, setting young
people up for success into their form of years through
elementary or primary, elementary, junior or not, why isn't that
a good idea to me? It sounds like the base minimum.

Speaker 15 (02:05:11):
We could be doing bare minimum, and we want to
As I said before, we want to have meaningful dialogue
with whatever government, but we've had challenges with the previous
government and we want to we want to make sure
that the PC platform also speaks about a platform that
a panel that we want to set up. We want

(02:05:32):
to encourage them to use the resources that are here.
There are early childhood eddicators here that have been in
the system for decades and we know the system inside
out and the policies that need to be changed. We
need to speak about that and.

Speaker 10 (02:05:46):
They have the resources here and the people that live.

Speaker 15 (02:05:49):
In the province ok here on new for then a
Labrador were experts in policies. We're experts in the system
and we want to be sitting at that table. Jimmy
Pratt Foundation, they do a lot of research, they do
a lot of work in childcare also, so we want
we want to be at that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:06):
Table and you should be, Patrice, you've had the last word.
Iwoud appreciate your time.

Speaker 15 (02:06:11):
Thank you, Thank you very much, Patty.

Speaker 3 (02:06:13):
How about God day you too?

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
Bye bye. Patrice Gordon, one of the steering committee members
at Childcare Now n hell good show today, good shows
all week. Big thanks to all hands. We will indeed,
pick up this conversation again on Monday morning right here
on VOCM and big landfm's Open Line on behalf of
the producer David Williams. I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have
yourself a safe, fun, happy weekend talk Monday. Bye bye

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