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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line call seven oh nine two
seven three fifty two eleven or one triple eight five
ninety eight six two six of viewsing opinions of this
programmer not necessarily those of this station. The biggest conversation
in Newfoundland and Labrador starts now. Here's VOCM Open Line

(00:22):
host Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Friday, October
the twenty fourth. This is open Line. I'm your host
Patty Daily. David Williams producing a come on with an
edition of the show. So if you're the Saint John's
metro region. The number of dialogue in the Q and
on the air seven zero nine two seven three five
two one one elsewhere a total free long distance one

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eight eight eight five ninety VOCM, which is eighty six
twenty six. So welcome. Drop a rain out there. This
morning was poorn pretty hard earlier. But when we talk
about people's wells drawing up and what are reservoirs and
municipalities drawing up, probably a welcome site for many here
this morning. And of course here we go the World Series.
GOTA say, pretty excited for tonight. Now we'll get through

(01:05):
the show here first. Obviously, you know, when you look
at the tale of Trery Savage, it's really truly remarkable.
On the eighth of April he pitched in what they
call single a ball, low a ball, the entry level
of professional baseball, and on the twenty fourth of October
he started gaining one of the World Series. It's absolutely unbelievable.
Now American pundents are given the Jays absolutely no chance spotsoever. Look,

(01:28):
the Dodgers are, on paper, the very best team in baseball,
defending World Series champions. I don't know if the Jays
have a chance. I'm cautiously optimistic. But here's a couple
of interests in historical context stats, the League Championship Series
went to a best of seven back in nineteen eighty five.
In nineteen eighty eight, two thousand and six, twenty seven,
and twenty twelve, one team swept there LCS, the Dodgers

(01:49):
swept the Brewers, one team went seven to Jays went seven,
and all four previous occurrences the team that went seven
won the World Series. So apropos very little. But anyway,
let's go get him to imagine one of the questions
that Jays have to ask themselves what to do with
one of the best hitters in baseball bowbashett Let you
know the lineup. You don't want to rock the ball,
but you can't keep Bowbashette out of the Kenya anyway.

(02:10):
I'm pretty pumped as you can tell. All right, congratulations,
go get him to the month Seahawks and the women's
soccer side. Zoe Rowe again the MVP of the AUS.
She scored in the seventy ninth minute last night and
a clinical setup by Jen Milligan. They beat a Kadiah
won nothing onto play Dell Housing today in the semis
of the AUS. Go get him, ladies. All right, for

(02:31):
New Fland regimen fans, here come the Saint John ce Dogs,
one of the toughest teams in the queue. A couple
of locals behind the bench, head coach Travis Crickert, assistant
coach Mark Lee. So we'll see a couple of locals
as opponents here this evening. Okay, did you see the
story yesterday about the FBI arrests and all this gambling,
illegal poker games? What have you look for, starters? I

(02:52):
get kind of annoyed with all of the ads for
betting applications on your phone when you're trying to watch
the ball game with the hockey gamer what have you.
But now that sports has welcomed in the betting apps
and betting organizations, it's going to cannibalize itself. It's just
out of control. We've already seen people banned for life,
like in Toronto Raptors player banned for life because they
were manipulating the prop bets. Same thing here. So there's

(03:15):
Hall of fame for Chauncey Billups has been arrested. One
of the starting players for the Miami Heat has been arrested.
And what they're doing is they see this stat line,
they see the prop bets, and so before they get
a chance to hit their target for points or minutes,
what have you, they take themselves out of the game,
pretend they're injured. And so consequently when that happens, people
are laying down enormous amounts of money. So inside of

(03:35):
this arrest of some thirty plus people, the NBA is
in complete upheople here now this morning. So pro sports
that are doing it to themselves. You know, when people
who enjoy watching sports run out of faith that the
game isn't rigged because some of them obviously are rigged,
and it's unbelievable. Then they talk about X ray tables,
card counting machines or card shuffling machines that are rigged.

(03:59):
It's wild and reconnection with mafia families. I mean, they're
talking about tens of millions of dollars wirefraud, money laundering, extortion, gambling.
The schemes involved the Bonano family, the Gambino family, the
lou Jac family, and the gene v C families. So
sports is going to find itself in a wicked bad
spot because of the amount of money that's being gambled
and the manipulation of it just unreal. I rate more

(04:21):
important stuff. So Matt Berder local activists and of course
kicked up some pretty big stinks over at Memorial University,
and fair enough, he's gone through access to information one
more time looking for some details surrounding the ten year
roadmap for education that we call the Educational Court. We
know it's been tripped up here and people are really

(04:41):
questioning the validity or the credibility when CBC Radio are
unveiled or revealed the fact that there was at least
fifteen fake citations. You know, people will ask questions as
to whether or not it was a necessary exercise in
the first place, But now we look at the cost.
Cost is important. The actual transfer and the modernization of
education is more important. But all right, seven hundred and

(05:04):
fifty five eight hundred and nine and fifty two cents
spent on the plan, over three hundred and fifty thousand
dollars on consulting professional services, over three hundred and three
thousand dollars on salaries, eighty thousand dollars for a marketing
firm for whatever unspecified work. Over twelve thousand do travels,
seven thousand plus on purchase services, sixteen hundred dollars dollars
on office supplies. It really does boil down to the

(05:27):
fate of the report, you know. So Tony Wickham says
he's not going to reject or accept in full without
a careful review, and that's the right play. But try
to take some action on some of the very important recommendations.
That's the most important thing. And again to know that
there was very little to know discussion about education on
the campaign trail makes absolutely zero sense. But we can

(05:49):
and should be looking at how they're going to deal
with that education the court, all the money spent in
some eighteen months in the contribution by countless people to
try to help out on that front. Madness, all right,
wildfire rebuilt. Every single morning when I got my email,
I get an email from someone who was on the
poor end, the bad end of the CBN, the North

(06:11):
Shore fire, maybe lost their home or their business or
whatever the case may be. Now in the city of
Saint John's. While people were fighting the fires out around
Patty's Pond, of course they had to be diverted back
into Saint John's because this one young fellow, twenty year
old kid, he was setting brush fires. The allegation is
he's accused of setting several brush fires in town. Apparently
the R and C are sloggish and handing over some

(06:33):
CCTV video to the defense lawyer, who's Jeff Brace, So
there's now another delay. He's facing pretty serious charges here,
three charges of arson with disregard for human life and
of course one hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine of
which at the tender age of twenty unlikely unless supported
by whomever that he has one hundred and fifty thousand
dollars kicking around, so we'll see what happens on that case.

(06:57):
But again we're all actively trying to find out and
can't get it any formal acknowledgment from the AIRCNP that
there is ongoing investigation and the potential for arson to
spark the Kingston fire. But so let's go iroon. See
let's get that videotape in the hands of mister Brace
so we can proceed with that particular action. All right,
So every time that we talk about groceries, it's very

(07:20):
similar reaction as the grocery shopper. You listening, You know
how exhausting and painful it is to go to the
grocery store. And now we know from stats Canada four
percent increase in the price of groceries September over September
year over year. So what I get in the form
of emails more often than not is what is the
government going to do about it? It's a good question,

(07:42):
but I would also ask this one, what can they
do about it? You know, if we're talking about support
for local agriculture who went through a very tough, dry,
hot season, whether we talk about seed money or loans,
repayable loans, for upfront costs to establish or hydropodic facilities
right around the province. But then it's the concept controlling
prices in the stores. Look, when you hear people talk

(08:03):
about communism and socialism and Marxism and all the isms
that they probably don't understand, but they say them all
the times. Do we really want the government in the
stores with that type of exercise. I'll leave it up
to you, and I welcome your call on it. It's
not like it hasn't happened in the democratic first world,
the modernized world. France, they took a three month anti

(08:25):
inflation quarter, they called it, and they put price caps
on some five thousand items. You know, they were relatively
careful in how they approach what necessities they would cut
prices on in the grocery store. But I'll leave it
up to you. What do you think governments can or
should do regarding price You know, additional financial support for
Canadians is different than trying to control prices in what

(08:48):
we refer to as the maybe the free market, whatever
you want to call it. But yeah, grocery prices are
back in the news and I get questions all the
time about government intervention or inaction, but I'm not exactly
sure what you think we could or should be doing
on that front. All right, how are you doing out there, David,
Let's get it going here today. But we get reports

(09:10):
from think tanks. It would be helpful, regardless of what
lean they have on the political spectrum, if they were
a little more precise. And that includes this story this morning.
It's a report coming from the Montreal Economic Institute. Here's
what they said, in sort of blanket fashion, for every
one hundred new nurses under the age of thirty five
in this province who entered the profession twenty twenty three,

(09:33):
ninety eight others left. That's a pretty skewed number. Don't
take it for me, take it from a vet coffee
at the Registered Nurses Union. She went on to say,
the reports numbers, the report numbers compromises nurses who had
received or pardon me, comprises nurses who had received the
renewed license with the college, which includes nurses and private
practices managers, private contract agency nurses. So they are skewed,

(09:57):
but it does speak to the retention issue. Several conversations
with Vett and we talk about the two hours recruitment
and retention, and of course unless you can successfully recruit,
you don't have to worry about retention. But miss Coffee
always pushed back, she's right, She's absolutely right. The retention
issue is a massive problem here. So whether or not
the numbers are skewed, which they very much seem to be,

(10:20):
it's about what we're doing here. The high turnover, the
rates of overtime violence, abuse is obviously not an attractive
workplace for so many young nurses, so whether they leave
to go work for a travel agency or whether they
leave the profession, the issue is real. I mean, we
get some updated numbers every now and then about just
how many registered nurses vacancies throughout the province, and there

(10:42):
continues to be hundreds. So again, for all of these
think tanks, the work is important, the research is important,
the reports are important, but unless they're delivered with a
bit more precision then they really are misleading. So it's
not as playing as everye hundred nurses in equals no
ninety eight out, So I mean, you never catch up

(11:02):
if that was the actual, real, legitimate, heard fast numbers. Oh,
yesterday had a call about the Province of British Columbia
actively recruiting healthcare professionals in British Columbia, which is a thing,
and I was mentioning whether or not we're doing the
same thing, for instance, through the Premier's office in Boston.
Apparently we have had some active recruitment in the United States,

(11:22):
and I appreciate the young ladies sending this law. We
had a team of recruiters in Chicago. I'm not so
sure if it was a one off for a conference
or a more active extended stay in Chicago or anywhere
else in the States to recruit, but seem to think
it's a pretty good idea. If it's happening elsewhere, should
be happening here. What do you think. Let's get through
a few more before we get to you. People will

(11:44):
be keeping an eye on Ottawa and the Prime Minister
who's on his way to Asia for some trade negotiations.
We get into more trade here on a second is
we know the next wave of major projects that are
going to be on the fast track list, so to speak,
is coming before a Great Cup Day, which is hosted
by Winnipeg. Winnipeg's nine and eight in the CFL. That
means something and so we anticipate that there may be

(12:07):
an opportunity for some of the projects in this province
to make those lists. I think people were bemoting the
fact that no projects in this province made the initial
five project list. But people will talk about the obvious
Beata Ort, Gall Island and Strange Lake. So when we
talk about shovel ready, I think all three are absolutely that.

(12:27):
But will we see any action here? And again, Gol,
I know people may be worn out hearing about and
talking about the same old things, but when you're talking
about the impact financially speaking regarding the potential for contracts
definitive agreements between this province of Quebec, you know the
deal and I think we just got to keep it
out there for the obvious reasons on that front. In

(12:51):
regards of electricity and the delivery of in New Brunswick,
and this is fascinating because there's been some clamoring in
this province for the installation or the utilation of smart
meters so that you have up to date to the
minute understanding of your electricity consumption in the house and
for the utility in New Brunswick. Thround the pathway to

(13:11):
install these new smart meters. So now the numbers of
people that are rejecting smart meters has grown to seventeen thousand.
They mentioned some pretty bizarre things, maybe privacy invasion or
what have you. But now Nova Sculpture are parting. New
Brunswick Power is talking about levying a five dollars fee
per month so that they can go read your meter
versus just capture the information from your smart meter. I'm

(13:34):
not really one hundred percent sure some of the merit
in the rejection era. People are talking about health concerns.
You can look around and find every bit of information
possible on the world Wide Web. There's no scientific evidence
that there's any such thing as a problem with smart
meters and your health. They talk about the radio frequency.
It's so far lower than any risk of human health,

(13:56):
but yet people are using that as rationale to push back. Again,
it's the potential for a five dollars fine. So the
smart media conversation had lots of traction here in this
province for a while, seemingly gone by the wayside, but
there you go. Okay, let's get into it. So trade
and I mean political slogans bore me, as you know,
and the whole elbows up bit and all the rest

(14:17):
of it. So because we've already received a couple of
preemptive whiny emails from the same old local Trump supporters,
the petulance is just unbelievable. So now trade talks between
Canada the United States are over. Stall don't why because
Premier of Ontario Doug Ford and his government threw seventy

(14:39):
five million dollars worth of sponsoring an ad which is
pretty much a clip of Ronald Reagan a radio address
back in the eighties talking about how tariffs are a
very poor idea. Now, some of the audio is somewhat
taken out of context. Now Reagan was certainly about free trade,
but in that same radio address he was about to
announce tariffs on Japan. Went on to say that tariff

(15:01):
should be used as a surgical tool with precision, versus
the blacket tariffs that we've been talking about coming from
the United States, coming from the Oval Office. So no
trade talks are done because of that. So I think
it's pretty cular. It's not about national security, it's not
about trade deficits, it's not about fentanyl, it's not about migrants.
It's about ego. That and that alone. It's about petulance.

(15:25):
It's not about trying to do best for the American people.
It's just trying to be the biggest bully on the block,
which comes by nature if you're the President of the
United States, the most powerful man on the face of
the earth. So trade talks were over. Why because he
didn't like an ad on TV. Don't take it from me,
that's his exact words. So taking a task, saying it's
all fake and all the rest of it. How was

(15:45):
anybody supposed to negotiate for statters. We had a deal
in good faith that the President signed himself saying it
was a great deal, and he tore it up. Why
because his new favorite word is tariff, even though he's
seeing when he doesn't hardly work. But here we are
so obviously these the Prime Minister's trip to Asia and
expanding marks and diversifying markets so that we can reduce

(16:07):
our alliance and our American partners, once reliable partners no longer.
So you could be a supporter of Trump bodylike, But
can we not acknowledge just how pathetic and ridiculous this is.
He didn't look an ad on television, and so trade
talks are done. That's it. Amazing how's anybody supposed to
negotiating good faith? And I mean you could be a

(16:29):
Trump supporter already, like, but if you can't admit that
his own words last night about why there will be
no more trade talks for now with Canada because of that.
We're on Twitter or VOSM. Open line follows there and
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(16:51):
We came back. Let's have a great show that can
only happen if you're in the queue to talk about
whatever's on your mind. Don't go away, look it back.
Let's begin this morning online number two. Good morning, Dave,
if you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yes, Patty, I was listening to here the other day
and you mentioned about nineteen sixty okay, team that won
the World Series.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Pirate Now, yeah, Pittsburgh Parish right now, but I think
that was nineteen fifty nine and Bill Maderaski struck the
home run.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
They were right down to the last pitch and they
they wanted, they came up. They had let me see,
there was three out there. They had three three ball
come and two strikes and it was right down to
the last pitch and he pitched it in and Bill

(17:45):
Maratski he struck it and dropped it right out and
bought in four runs and won the World Series.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Now I have lived my whole life thinking that was
nineteen sixty any shorts fifty.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Nine fifty nine? Yeah, as far as I can remember,
he might be right, but.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
I look, if it is not sixty, then I've said
that incorrectly. I don't know, right, man.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
But with Bill Roski, he struck it, and it came
at so much tension. It came right down, right down
to the last pitch because the other team, I think
it was the Yankees, they were hit by by one.
And then when he hit her, he bought in four
runs and won the World Series.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
It was the first time the Pirates of Once is
nineteen twenty five when Mazarowski hit that home It's only
only two World Series in history have been ended with
the home run Mazarowskis and Joe Carter in ninety three.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
That's right. Yeah, But anyway, so this too, yo for
coming up now the night is.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
His name?

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Lose me now he's only twenty two.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
Now.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
The other night he struck out nine or ten or
something right in or also he's no slouch.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
No, he's certainly not. But just imagine in April he
pitching from the three hundred and twenty four people at
low A Ball and now he certain Game one of
the World Series in the same year, his rookie season,
his next year. It's an amazing story, it really is.
I don't know how he's going to do tonight. I mean,
the Dodgers are pretty tough team offensively, so we'll see.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah. I think the manager, their manager is changing the
pictures to him. They should stay with him, let him
play at LANs again. And I think he have a
good chance to win the World Series.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
From well, Dave Roberts, the manager.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Of the manager, I used that because you can't beat you.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, I'm pretty excited. And I mean, of course, the
Dodgers pitching, oh my god. I mean they looked unhittable
against the Brewers, but the Jays have been swinging the
bat's pretty good. So lock going on tonight. I just
want quick comment whether or not it's fifty nine or sixty.
When the Pirates one against the Yankees, the MVP was
a guy nam Bobby Richardson of the Yankees. It's the
only time in history where a player from the losing

(19:53):
team on the MVP.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Perhaps it might have been because I went up North
nineteen to sixty Toddles fifty nine. You know, I'll have
a look turned to break six years ago, so it's
a good while ago, right.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, And I mean there was a bunch of Hall
of Famers playing in that series. Two on the Pirates
of course, Masarowski and the Lake Great Roberto Clemente was
a pirate that here too. Yeah, yeah, acucent.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
It makes it really interesting. I can tell you that.
But you never know, you never know by what can happen.
And now you know, all the Blue Jays have to
forget about who they're playing exactly just like another treat
them as another team and go on in there and
do the bits you can, and stranger things have happened.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
They're playing with house money. No one thought they were
going to be a World Series contender this year, but
here they are with the shop.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah. Well, no one might think that they can win either,
but we'll see.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, we'll all find out. It will certainly find out
what happens in game won the Nights can't wait?

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yeah, I'd be interesting anyway, Patty was nice.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Talk my pleasure. Thanks for the call.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Dave, okay, right, all right?

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Bye bye, Yaki think Mickey Mantle, Waddy Ford, Yogi Berra
was on that team. Anyway, Let's get wronglier. Let's go
to line number one and say good more to Lisa
Loveless Hotter. Good morning, Lisa, you're.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
On the air.

Speaker 8 (21:14):
Good morning. How are you.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I'm okay, thank you. How about you?

Speaker 8 (21:18):
I'm pretty good. I'm really excited about what I'm calling
event today. So some of you may know my son
Jake Anstey passed away last year and November two, twenty
twenty four, at the age of eleven years old, and
we're coming up on the one year mark of losing Jake.
So what his family has decided to do is create

(21:41):
what we're calling Jake's Force Day, so force as in
the Star Wars and Jake loves Star Wars. So in
memory of Jake, Jake's family wants to ask his community
and people who heard his story and were moved by
his story to sorry, it's a little bit emotional. So

(22:08):
Jake was our Jedi essentially, and in Star Wars there's
a belief that when someone passes, you become one with
the Force, so your light, energy and love stays in
the universe. So what we want to ask people to
do is on November second, to do random acts of
kindness for the people around them in Jake's name. So

(22:32):
some ideas would be like buying a copy for someone,
writing a note, donating to a cause that's important to you.
We also want to say that these acts of kindness
can be kindness to yourself, so self care, smiling at someone,
that kind of thing. So during Jake's journey after his

(22:54):
cardiac arrest, his family and him were shown immense acts
of kindness the community. For example, when we had trouble
with wheelchair accessible transport, we were given a wheelchair van
by getting Messi and Bersey's bus service. And so there

(23:15):
is a Facebook page if you're interested, It's called Jake's
Force Day. Is open to everyone and you can find
it through my profile if you need to. And I
also wanted to say that there's already been ax of
kindness for this event happening. For example, last weekend in
Hermitage Fortune Day, a group of people got together and

(23:38):
built a shelter for the stray cats that were living
near the dunks. Now, Jake lovedcats and he also love
Star Wars. So they have built this luxury shelter that's
insulated and vented, has individual rooms for the cats, and
they named it takes Jaba Hut. Get it jab at

(24:00):
the Hut. Yeah, So I just really wanted the opportunity,
and I'm sorry if I found emotional, but I just
wanted the opportunity to get more word out there. On
November two, we will be mourning the loss of our sons,
but we also wanted to be something to honor him

(24:21):
because he was so kind and fun loving and all
of his friends would tell you that he was the
teithmaker in the.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Group and no apologies required. It's obviously an emotional topic.
So we know that Jake, he loved Star Wars and
he was kind. Tell us a story about Jake. Just
give us one memory.

Speaker 8 (24:41):
Oh my one memory? Let me see. Okay, Well, I
can tell you a story about him and his friends.
They were playing Fortnite and they were all in their
respective homes, so they had their headsets on and they
were talking, and then there was some squabbling because someone
eliminated another of the friends, and so they started bickering

(25:05):
back and forth on the headphones, and I hear Jake's
voice from the living room. He piped up and he says, guys,
is just a game.

Speaker 9 (25:13):
If you keep.

Speaker 8 (25:14):
Fighting, I'm getting off. And then they all count in
and just started playing peacefully again. And I believe they
were actually playing Star Wars or no, sorry, it was Fortnite. Yeah,
it was Fortnite. They were playing at dead time.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I really appreciate making time for the program. And you know,
as they say, it costs nothing to be kind, but
going out of your way to be kind in memory
of eleven year old Jake and trying to support the
family through your own individual acts of kindness, it's not
only welcomed on the receiving end, but we all know
an act of kindness can also be very very beneficial
to your overall attitude and mental well being when you

(25:52):
are the kind person. Lisa, I appreciate the time here
this morning. Thanks for doing it.

Speaker 8 (25:58):
Oh, you're very welcome, and we look look forward to
seeing what everyone does.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
On November second, I'll have one my sleep for sure.
It's also my wife's birthday on November second, so there
we go. I really appreciate this Lisa. Thanks for doing this,
and feel free to give us another reminder call if
someone belonged to the family can do this next week
and we can do it again.

Speaker 8 (26:19):
Absolutely, I can give you a calm next week.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I appreciate it. Thank you for this, all right, take
care you too, Bye bye bye. Jake's Forsday, November two.
Let's take a break quite a long time, don't go ahead,
look back to the show. Let's got lenar of three SA.
Good morning to the MHA elect in Saint John's eas
Kitty Viddie represent the NDP. That Shiloh, Larry Sheila, you're

(26:42):
on the air.

Speaker 10 (26:43):
Oh, good morning, Patty, thanks so much for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Happy.

Speaker 10 (26:48):
I just wanted to well, first of all, I just
want to follow up what a beautiful legacy that I
just love the proposed acts of kindness on November second
for in Jake's memory.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
That that's beautiful. I mean, we.

Speaker 10 (26:59):
Should be doing that stuff anyway, but what a legacy
to a young man's wonderful life and and so I
think that's very exciting. So just want to, you know,
certainly give a shout out to the family and friends
in that in that effort. But Patty I never got
a chance to call you speak to you and your
listeners since since the day I spoke with Tim.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
But I just really wanted to give a.

Speaker 10 (27:24):
Call to give a huge shout out of gratitude to
the people of Saint Johns He's kdvity for their support,
the trust in me and to bring the NDP back
into this district. It was very moving, an incredibly positive campaign.
So many volunteers as we know that goes into all
the work and guts and everything that goes into a campaign.

(27:47):
You know, food donations, canvassing, you know, financial donations.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
All of it. It takes a village, right, So I just.

Speaker 10 (27:54):
Want to give a huge shout out to everybody because
it's not a one person effort, it's a team. So
and I'm so looking forward to working with THENP leader
jimmed In, right, So I just wanted to call in
and also to congratulate and acknowledge all the municipal and
provincial people who step up to serve.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
In the recent elections. It's not just.

Speaker 10 (28:15):
Obviously, you know from my advantage point coming from municipal
at the City of Saint John's, its former deputy mayor.
I'm just so excited to see all of the younger
people coming forward. Obviously, there's been a lot of talk
about that in the news, about the younger set that
have been elected, and that's so exciting for our future.

(28:36):
So I just wanted to acknowledge everybody who offered themselves
in the election, you know, because it's so important we
uphold the democracy.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Sure, and congratulations on your success in St. John Z's
Kitty Vittie. You've taken a few swings and now you
get the opportunity to sit in the House of Assembly.
Let's take into a couple of actual issues here while
we have time here this morning. I think on my subject, Lie,
I believe it says nursing, is is that what you
wanted to talk about?

Speaker 10 (29:02):
Yeah, the nursing Well, obviously, you know our leader put out.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
And the caucus put out an.

Speaker 10 (29:10):
Immediate release yesterday. Of course, that was about the travel
ending the travel nurses in the first month of the
PC government.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
So you know that's been that was heavily.

Speaker 10 (29:18):
Discussed on the campaign trail, about the exorbitant cost and
the wastage that certainly happened, and the disrespect certainly to
our own nurses. You know, there's no reason why we
can't continue to improve the nurses working conditions here, strengthen
their autonomy and give them more.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Control of their guts with there's there's ways to do.

Speaker 10 (29:37):
This without throwing money, you know out the door and
the travel nurses. So that's that's a call that certainly
our leader jimmed in and put out regarding the new
PC government was just to basically end the travel nurses
and let's see what's going to what's going to happen,
how we are going to plan the end of that,
and of course how are we going to support our

(29:59):
public work force.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
As an idea, you know, as an idea, it sounds
about right, and we don't know up to date number
about how many travel nurses are currently in the system.
But how do you end something versus how do you
phase it out? Because I think I want to hear
people say well, let's just do away with travel nurses, okay,
But you know when say, for instance, Tom os Run
was the Minister of Health Community Service being peppered about

(30:20):
this issue and the comments would be maybe exaggerated coming
back and saying well, do you want clinics and hospitals
to close? Because without the travel agec nurses. That's what
would be the outcome. So I don't know how much
exaggeration might be included in there, but if you let
every single travel nurse go today, I'm not so sure
it comes across as pragmatic operations of healthcare. So what's
the plan, And that's what no one's been able to offer.

Speaker 10 (30:43):
Well, I mean, everything is about transition, Patty. We're talking
about moving from you know, areas where we're seeing absolute wastage.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
And you know, we've been.

Speaker 10 (30:52):
Talking to the nurses for quite some time. I know
I have been certainly on the campaign trail. I mean
I can't say that i've you know again, and I'm
not sworn in yet. Remember, I've got to get onboarded
and training and all the rest. We're awaiting the Premier designate,
Tony Wakem, and congratulations to him and his team. Look
forward to getting in there and getting the work done.

(31:13):
But right now, all I can kind of weigh in
on is what I've heard at the doors and the
conversations that I've had with people and nurses and the
exorbitant waste and how there's so much work that can
be done internally to help them have more control, especially
over their scheduling. That has been something that I've heard,
you know, time and time again.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
So you know, there's no on off.

Speaker 10 (31:37):
Light switch happening here, Patty.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
We know that.

Speaker 10 (31:39):
Look, that's the same thing when we're talking about climate
action and transition as well too. In that In that regard,
you know, the reality is that we have.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
To have a just transition.

Speaker 10 (31:49):
And so now that we have a majority government and
we want to hear what the plan is from the
PC government about this kind of transition so that we
can we can be more sustainable, so that we can
be more you know, effective with our finances, but also
more respectful to the nurses who are doing the work.
So that's a transition process and that dialogue has to

(32:13):
happen sooner than later. And so you know, I'm.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Excited about that.

Speaker 10 (32:17):
And of course, and we're also hearing about the education accord,
same kind of thing, more.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
Money going into that.

Speaker 10 (32:22):
You know, these are all going to be topics that
are going to be heavily discussed. I'm sure it's the
minute that the house opens.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
So but at this.

Speaker 10 (32:31):
Stage I'm onboarding. I'm looking forward to getting trained. Obviously,
there's a transition from my municipal, you know, governance to provincial,
it is very different, and I look forward to that.
As a lifelong learner.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
I'm ready to serve.

Speaker 10 (32:46):
And you know what, I just I'm very very excited.
It was such a positive campaign and a little bit
of tough love as we move forward, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Fair enough. I mean the idea is. Idea are great,
Detail ideas are better, Action plans are even better than that,
and milestones that we can check to make sure we're
on the right track even better. Again, so if it's
expand the nursing school by fifty seat, it's probably a
very good idea. When we talk about, you know, actively
putting job opportunities in front of nurses as they go

(33:18):
through their training, so that they know there's a job
at the other end, and it's a job that's offered
as full time, full time, permanent, not part time, not casual, permanent,
full time jobs. You know. I mean that once again
conceptually sounds good. But at the same time, we had
nurses on the casual lists that were incentivized to the
tune of thousands of dollars to become permanent, full time,

(33:38):
and they didn't want to do it because they lost
that control of their schedule. So again, complex issues really
require complex solutions, and it's not able to you. That's
same at the operations of healthcare. Appreciate the time, Sheila,
anything else quickly before we say goodbye.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
No, but just go Blue James.

Speaker 8 (33:55):
Can't wait for tonight.

Speaker 10 (33:56):
You know that I come from baseball genetic care and
we're just nearly over the moon over here, and so
tonight will.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
Be quite a night. So yeah, go Blue Jays, and yeah.

Speaker 10 (34:07):
Thanks so much, Paddy, and have a wonderful weekend.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, baseball background, I mean your dad, baseball legend, your
brother p a ballplayer. Yeah, there you My.

Speaker 10 (34:16):
Brother got into Triple A Michael Leary, and my dad
of course had a tryout with the Brooklyn Dodgers out
of Cornerbrook.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
So he and his day was was quite quite the ticket.

Speaker 10 (34:25):
And so I mean, Patty, you know, they fall is
something that I've lived and breathed my whole life. And
my first job was actually selling hot dogs at St.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Pat's Ballpark canteen. So you know what, I love it.

Speaker 10 (34:38):
It's exciting and it's also a really a great way
for community to come together. Right, how exciting something positive?
You know, we hear so much negative news all the time.
This is all about community and solidarity.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Right, appreciate the time she enjoyed the weekend and the game.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Okay, you too, Patty, thanks you?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, I mean, I know all that's sewn. Trapp with
the Brooklyn Dodgers might play triple A ball. Her brother
Sean played varsity basketball, I believe at Saint Mary's. Anyway,
let's see it. Let's try to get to a break
pretty much on time. When we come back, we're going
to talk about the MoU as we should. And then
there's a caller that wants to talk about the tow
truck business, that and more. Right after this, don't go away,

(35:19):
welcome back to this show. Just so second, Oh my water,
it do on the wrong way. Let's go let number
two morning, Perry Trumper, you're on the air. Hey, good morning, Patty,
good morning. I usually say congratulations of those who have
been successful in getting elected or re elected by it
in this say in this case, congratulations on getting out.

Speaker 11 (35:37):
You know, it's a day. It's day ten in this
retirement world, and it's it's fascinating. I was saying to
the producer earlier that you know you're on such a
conveyor built when you're in the political realm and then
when you step off it, and as I did, you
know voluntarily, it's it's some adjustment. So I'm on day
ten and I still find myself thinking about issues going

(35:59):
on laboradord across the province and I and then I
was reflecting back on my career previously as a consultant.
So what I wanted to just put out there a
little thought this morning is this idea of independent consultants
weighing in on the m OU. And you know, when
you think about independence, I guess what mister Wakem and
his team have been advocating for is to find people

(36:22):
who can provide us an expertise advice on the MLU.
And it's it's technical complexity and so on. I would argue,
and as I argued back in January, that in fact,
what we want we want we want companies with deep understanding,
with reputations that they're going to stick by and that
they're going to you know, they're going to put their
opinions out there on the table and they're going to

(36:44):
stand by it. I did this previously in environmental consulting
for thirty years, and you you succeed or you fail
based on those predictions in your and your expertise. So
I would, and I was in I came into Sain
John's yesterday to you know, tie the up my office
and clean up. And so when I was talking to
some of the PC guys that I know very well,
missed them all the best, and we had some discussions

(37:05):
about some of these points, and I just said, take
good care of this province. You know, we have an
opportunity to really change things around, and we have so
many biases that I feel we need to put them
to the side and say to ourselves, is this a
good deal. Let's listen to the experts and let's make
sure that their reputations are solid.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah. I mean, the whole thought about independent review. It
makes sense to me. I understand why people are clamoring for.
You know, it's going to be tricky, like if it
just goes down the path of political appointees, which I
think by how people consider mister Brown, mister Wilson, and
mister Bowman. Of course, mister Wilson resigned from his position
at the panel. If it's that, then we're not going

(37:48):
to achieve a whole whole lot. I don't imagine and
then finding someone with the chops and the horsepower and
the experience in utilities in this level of contract without
a conflict with new Flat Lebert or Hydro. The problems
now Flana Labrador, Hydro Quebec, the Province of Quebec. Man,
who's that and where are they coming from exactly? I mean,
I like, I hope it happens, but it is going

(38:09):
to be needling haystack kind of stuff here to come
up with a completely reputable agency that has no conflicts,
because if they do, then you can predict the outcome
no matter what. If you say, well, they've already done
business Hydro Quebec, then what do you think they're going
to say? The whole pay the piper kind of stuff.
So I'm not opposed to the idea, but time is
of the essence. Let's get at it and what exactly
where we asking these folks?

Speaker 11 (38:29):
Well, thank you, I completely agree. I feel we're preoccupied
with seeking out something that I'm not sure if it
frankly exists in the minds of everyone where everyone would
feel that kind of comfort. These biases they creep in
constantly and I would suggest and as we advocated back
in January in the House, there's JP Morgan, there's Power
Advisor right in front of everyone. Let's put the questions

(38:51):
to them, and we did for four extensive days. You
know what, do we need more opportunities to do that? Perhaps?
But this I don't know, seeking the holy grail of
complete independence, I don't believe it's possible and I don't
think it's going to achieve.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
What we need.

Speaker 11 (39:08):
What we need is people who know this game and
can ask those questions. And frankly, that happened back in January,
and I would like to see it's just move forward.
And I'm not saying it the sake of anything else
that's out there and so on, but I would point
to these companies and say, you know, informed, reputable, world
class minds were involved and they're staking their own reputations

(39:30):
on it.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
As a former member of the party on the government,
do you think or would you acknowledge that not going
down this road as recommended by Justice LeBlanc and the
Muscraft Falls inquiry, has become a serious misstep a huge mistake,
especially when the party ran on it in a campaign
and of course came up short lost a position as
a majority government, and I would suggest, you know, it's

(39:51):
not just about the MoU healthcare, costs, living and all
that stuff. But you know, had we had an independent
review announced the day after the MoU press conference at
the rooms, I think the Convererce station's vastly different.

Speaker 11 (40:00):
How about you, well, I, you know, great respect to
Justice Leblow, but I feel again, as we've been saying,
this word independent, exactly how and where and why do
we find this? I'm not sure it's possible, you know,
could could we bring in, you know, other members of
the party and work side by side and elbows up,

(40:21):
I said in the House, and I will challenged this
government that's coming in now that you know, had I
been in that position, I can recall what it was
like in those heavy days in December just last year.
It was a tremendous You know, if you asked anyone
in November of twenty twenty four, what is the one
economic boondoggle that we'd like to get rid of and
shackle off, it would be that deal with Quebec and

(40:45):
being able to move forward to twenty forty one and
get forward with the revenues that we you know so
much appreciate a need and so when it comes an
amazing opportunity, huge dollar signs two twenty seven billion. And
so I believe when I looked across the floor at
the opposition, they were in shock and surprised, and Perry's

(41:09):
personality would have been one I can just say this now,
of course, but I would have reached across the floor
and said, well done, premier. We're very proud of this accomplishment.
But to make sure that this is going to be
done properly, I'm going to bring the resources of the
PC party to the table and we're going to join
you as we go through and go forward and develop
those ten subsequent contracts and make sure.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
They're done right.

Speaker 11 (41:32):
And I would have been a part of the success,
as opposed to just drawing on the biases of our province.
We have this deep seated distrust of Quebec. We have
this deep seated mistrust of politicians saying it, Hey, golden
days will shine again and so on. It's those biases
that I feel are clouding us right now. And perhaps

(41:52):
that even crept into mister Lebloll's own commentary. But independence school,
I'm not sure it's achievable.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I really don't know, but you know, every time Quebec
is part of the conversation, then it kind of jades
the conversation in some respects, like, for instance, you know,
to say we wanted to get out of the deal
with Quebec, which everybody thought and everybody agrees with. Look
no further than seven successive court challenges where we came
up short every single time. But what we don't do

(42:19):
is we don't couch it as a what's the benefit
for us as opposed to we need Quebec to lose
And that's not exactly the sentiment. But you know, if
we say, here's what we achieve. If we can go
from zero point two cents to one center or three
cents or force or whatever the case, we be paid
the positive picture for the province as opposed to put
the boogeyman in there, which just really takes the conversation

(42:40):
in a different puts it in a different lane. Same
thing with Muskrach. The justification one of them was to
get around Quebec, and look how that turned out. So
if we were just a little bit more focused on
what it means for us as opposed to what it
means for Quebec and an opportunity to hurt or to
harm or to man Quebec. Then we derailed off and

(43:00):
we do it to ourselves all the time. Geographically speaking,
people can lick it or lump it. We're going to
have to deal with the problems off Quebec. Why there's
only one way out unless we build cables down the
long range mountains and under the Strait once again, which
would cost I don't know, tens billions of dollars, so
the Labrador Trough for mining transmission out. We can dislike
mistrust the province of Quebec, but geographically speaking, your emotions

(43:23):
really don't matter a whole whole lot. So let's look
at this problems. So let's look at what we can do.
Let's look at how what we can achieve versus let's
try to, you know, strike a blow against Quebec.

Speaker 11 (43:33):
You know, just as there was a perfect great words
are just thinking back to my own role with the Turkey,
you know, former adversaries, adversaries, and here we are, you know,
establishing a Caribou monument in Gallipoli, you know, holding each
other's arms together and celebrating.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
What we can do together.

Speaker 11 (43:51):
And then all the other relationships that have come out
of that, and we need to do the same with Quebec.
They've been as much a foe for the history of
our provinces as any one. And just as you say
it's there's there's opportunities, and we have to stop looking
at this MoU and saying, well, look what Kieback's getting
out of it. Well, of course they're getting something out
of it. Otherwise they'd stick with their twenty forty one

(44:11):
arrangement and we would have gotten anywhere in this whole situation.
So I was thinking about this last night as I
was thinking about baseball and the Blue Jays coming up,
and then Chilo's comments. Right now, you know, we rely
a lot on the future of this game, on the
phase of every game on that empire, and he's human
and what they can do and certainly is their largest scrutiny,
and that they continue to make the calls in the

(44:32):
wrong way, they're not going to last long. New York's
watching all the time. But anyway, it's just a little
analogy I had going in my head last night.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, And I mean, none of what I say is
a staff of approval or rejection of anything, is just
that we have a funny way of beginning conversations around here.
And you know, the umpire sports is an interesting case
studying this kind of stuff, right, because for me, it's
important that Jay's win. To me, it's not important that
the Dodgers lose, all right, when you play the Yankees

(45:01):
and you hate the Yankees, the best part about the
Jay's beating the Yankies is that the Yankees loss as
opposed to the best part of the Jays one. And
I know that's a hair split, but it's it's a
part of how we talk, right, and it really truly
is anyway for our company.

Speaker 11 (45:13):
Yeah, the rivalry between the Canadians and the Maple Leafs,
you know, it just goes on. Neither a hardcore fan
will admit that the other has good players. It's it's
just amazing.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, that's not liar for me, because the hell with
the Leafs. I'm kidding. Thank you, Perry, thanks for the chance.
I appreciate your time again, so much trouble when you know,
speak to the obvious realities of Quebec, we can distrust them.
And there's good reason why. There is absolutely every reason

(45:43):
imaginable why people have a sore spot or a bad
taste in their mouth, or straight up distrust Quebec, whether
it be about equalization or separation or hydro, whatever the
case may be. But to get anything done, I mean,
even if we went with Golf, for instance, and didn't
partner with hydro Quebec and partner with pick a company

(46:05):
for this right, big energy company, big utility. If we
were going to just say, for instance, we're going to
build enough transmission to carry over two thousand megawatts as
opposed to the eight hundred and twenty four megawatts of a
firm output at Muskrat eleven out of more kilometers of
transmission down through the long range mountains, which we've already
been told by Liberty consulting is especially treacherous and poses

(46:26):
the risk of extensive brownouts or blackouts. They're talking sixty
days in some worst case scenarios. Then build a maritime
link to carry over two thousand megawatts compared to the
five hundred megawatts that was built on schedule, on budget
by Nova Scotia Power or Emera to the two of
one point five billion dollars in decade all money. So look,

(46:48):
I don't know if the best deal possible is on
the table, and I'm not so sure we ever will
people rightfully point out to a bevy of concerns that
they have and serious questions that need to be asked
and answered. But I mean, anyway, is it the best deal?
I don't know. Let's see here, Let's take a break.
When we come back. You stay right there, tow truck,
don't go away. Welcome back, Let's go. Line number four

(47:12):
caller around the air.

Speaker 12 (47:15):
Uh, gooday morning, mister Williams and all your.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Staff the very same to you.

Speaker 12 (47:22):
I wonder I'm a little nervous making this call because
this outs of my outside of my life's experience entirely.
But I'm no union representative. But I'm just hoping to
very politely and helpless, harmlessly advocate for tow truck owners

(47:43):
and operators in the region of Holyroot and surrounding area.
And what it is. It's come to my attention that
I hope I'm correct that, of course police our how
was in need of tow trucks. That's that doesn't matter
where you are, because you know, accidents just do happen,

(48:06):
and there was the needed operators, of course, and and
that's appreciated and from my perspective, there's a respect for
the RCMP and Holy Rood and appreciation for their service.
And I agree. I thought, you know, guys, I could

(48:27):
mention this. I'll try advocating for you and all it is.
It seems like perhaps, if I'm correct, there's a lot
of the the calls, you know, the need for for
operators head in one direction and the other guys in
the area. You know, I just wanted to say on

(48:48):
their behalf that they'd be grateful and happy to receive
a little a little more to the work they're they're
hurting like everybody in this present environment, and they certainly
would be happy to participate more in the work that's
required for the tow truck people.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, so what exactly are you asking for?

Speaker 12 (49:14):
I'm just wondering, maybe we could you chop the pie
into a few more slices and share wealth and spread
it around to a few more operators or they're hoping
to work as all.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, no, fair enough, you know, sharing up the pie
or the wealth is a good thing. So is the
case there that the R and C just has a
couple of favorite to truk operators they don't spread it
around period? Is that so they were entered into some
sort of contract.

Speaker 12 (49:43):
That's the feeling that some of the other people in
the area to own that business, you know, tow truck
operators and owners, their feeling is that their feeling kind
of hurt, you know, that they'd like to be cut
in on a little more of the work. And I'm
taking my chances calm about this. I'm no union represented

(50:05):
or anything, and I hope I'm doing this harmlessly and politely,
that there's no disrespect intended to anybody. But we're just
hoping just well, maybe I'll speak up about it, and
if you know, the guys in the neighborhood would love
to get a little more a few more calls as all.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, no, fair enough. I mean, if I'm in business,
and you know, there's nothing quite like the gravy of
entering into a contract with any level of government, which
also includes the r n C. So I get that.
I mean, that is the essence of gravy, those secure contracts,
known that the revenue stream will be pretty predictable. That's
the blessing for any small business owner. Of course, it

(50:42):
is understand your point.

Speaker 12 (50:45):
For sure, and thanks so much for your time and
our appreciation too, to your MP and RNC and the
air in. I hope I haven't done any harm, but.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
We sure hope.

Speaker 12 (50:56):
We sure like to hear a few calls. The guys
would love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Thanks very much, appreciate your call. Thank you great, you too,
Bye bye. Yeah, of course if you're you know, which
goes back to a lot of the conversation we're having
here about procurement. So on the national front. You know,
there's been a bunch of announcements, you know, recently leading
into the tabling of the budget, which I guess is
scheduled for the fourth November. We spoke with what was

(51:23):
Joanna's last name yesterday, the chair of the Techanal board.
I can't remember her surname right at this moment, but anyway,
also talk about procurement, there's going to be huge investments,
specifically when we talk about even just defense contracts. If
we're on the pathway, what it's a tape brown, is
that what you said? Okay, uh, join a brown chair
of Techano. You know, even on the pathway to five

(51:44):
percent of GDP, that's going to be somewhere in the
neighborhood of one hundred and fifty billion dollars a year. Currently,
seventy five cents of every single dollar we spend on
defense contracts is spend in the United States. Now, they
of course have capacity for certain facets of military preparesess
that we just don't even make care in this country,
but there's plenty that we do, especially when we talk

(52:05):
about some of the technological advancements that is all part
of modern day military. So, yeah, government contracts, and I'll
throw this out for one more time. The optics of
the companies that get government contracts is important and it
bleeds into every single conversation we have on the heels
of a contract being let Which is why I am
totally outside with what Jim Din has to say about

(52:26):
campaign finance reform. It's out of control. It is so
desperately needed and so long overdue that we're fools not
to push forward. All right, let's keep going a little
bit more pleasant. Let's talk about the annual Collision Clinic
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online Number one. Donnie are on the air.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
How are you, Patty?

Speaker 13 (52:46):
And Yes, Chier is part of the equation. My man
you're not wrong.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I love this program.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Back in the day when we were doing some out
of the fog, we'd covered every year and we'd always
get some pretty pleasant feedback on it. But give the
folks the bare bone of what exactly this is.

Speaker 13 (53:02):
Absolutely well, this is the twenty second year that Collision
Clinic and incredible company locations and a bunch of community
partners get together fully restore a reliable automobile give it
to someone in the community in need. The stories every
year are incredible. They're on the website and to see

(53:23):
the families and the deserving recipients of the gift of
reliable transportation. It's a moment that it starts the holiday
season for all of us every year, and it's an
incredible community effort that so many folks come together for.
And applications are on now until November fourth.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Another November fourth day. Do you happen to have the
tip your tongue or fingers an example of some of
the families on the receiving end of some of these
refurbished and reliable vehicles.

Speaker 13 (53:52):
Oh yeah, no, absolutely, Like as an example, just a
last year alone, we were able to all come together
and The amount of hours that the collision clinic staff
puts into restoring these vehicles and everything that goes with
it is incredible, and so a family deserving applied Marster, George,
Natalie Kyle, and Emily got a fully restored and reconditioned

(54:16):
twenty twenty three niss On Cashi, including the first year
of vehicle insurance and a whole bunch of gifts besides.
And so that's an example of a family. They wrote
in you know, the information that you would submit is
not crazy. You have to give a reason about what
the gift of reliable transportation would mean for you and
your family. And those stories are reviewed by an incredible

(54:38):
group behind the scenes, that Collision Clinic, who get together
and it's a really hard job because you know, the
gift of reliable transportation in this economy, at this time
in life for so many isn't so much in need.
And so it's a real heartwarming experience to really hand
over those keys and to see that happen, and to
see Collision Clinic do such work to make that happen
for twenty two years.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah, I know, the folks up that Clision clinic. It
is an extremely heartwarming and life changing event when the
keys of the new car is putting in the hands
of the family that needs and has been evaluated to
be the neediest or whatever however they do. And I'm
not sure what the checkboxes look like there, but it's
a great piece of news. So give the folks whatever
details they need to know, either submit an application for

(55:24):
being the lucky recipient or whatever else we need to know.

Speaker 13 (55:27):
Well, absolutely you can check out the stories that we
have been able to tell over the years on Collision
clinic dot com. You can fill out the application under
the Enriching Lives tab until the end of the day
November three, and so it'd be great for you guys
to pop on check out the stories, see the deserving folks,
and see how incredible the gift of reliable transportation truly

(55:48):
is here in the Avalon and that Collision Clinic makes
that happen.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Congrat's to the good folks at Clision Clinic and thanks
for telling us about this morning. Donni, appreciate your.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
Time, have a great weekend.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Thanks man you to by bye. That is a really
really pleasant event. And I mean we'd go out and
cover for what we're doing out of the fog, and
there would be a lot of teary eyes in the grash.
There would be for the obvious reasons. Just a couple
of quick notes. So sticking with the UCMU, lots of

(56:19):
feedback coming in. We appreciate it. What we don't know
about what's the ongoing negotiations include is some of the
issues that may indeed rare their heads into the future.
Number One, like you mentioned off the top of three,
anticipated next wave of lists of major projects in the
so called fast track platform that the federal government's talking about,

(56:41):
and Gall is one of the ones that people have
put on that list. If GALL was part of the
major projects list and had some support, because it's hard
to even know exactly what they're talking about on that front.
So the Major Project Office, is it simply about approvals
and releases from environmental assessments or is there also the
possibility for federal government money because that would change things.

(57:03):
If it's all about what we get what they get.
If the Feds are involved in any form of fashion
with money, then that really does have to enter into
the negotiations. Same thing goes on the Quebec side, because
they have been actively and openly allobbing for money for
a transition or part of me transmission capacity in Quebec.
If that happens, that changed the conversation. Again, it might

(57:24):
be a conversation as well as John Diefenbaker. But if
there's ever such a thing as an East West energy
Corridor as proposed halfheartedly albeit but proposed by the Prime Minister,
that would see the free flow of power or at
very low tariff, that changed the conversation. It really does.
So all those things are they being considered in the negotiations.
I don't know, and we're not going to be privy

(57:46):
to blow by blow about how that looks. But those
things do potentially change exactly what it's included in the
MoU Right right, Let's take a break, don't go away,
welcome back, Let's go line number two.

Speaker 14 (57:58):
Paul, you're on the airy patty.

Speaker 9 (58:00):
How are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Grand today? How about you?

Speaker 9 (58:03):
That's good? That's good. It's Friday for you? Hey?

Speaker 15 (58:05):
Is that yeah?

Speaker 9 (58:07):
And the game is on to night? How do you
want to want to call you about? I'm you know,
yourself from a local taxi driver here. I just want
to let the public you know, I don't know if
you've seen it or read it, or if you already
brought it up on your show. I've been busy out
outdoors all we haven't been listening much. I've been out
putting the patio on the house there. But anyhow, they
there's a no I've seen it on the news. I

(58:29):
got the tail end, but I'm not sure what was
Global Now or CNN. There's an Uber scam on the
goal so what they're doing. I just want to let
the people know who use Uber, which I wish they didn't,
and they use the local taxi you know that. But anyhow,
for the people that are using Uber, including yourself when
you travel, I know you do you sit that and
open air and and it is what it is. I

(58:50):
guess the scam is. I've looked it up and I've
read it.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
It's on.

Speaker 9 (58:54):
If you google it and just Googleger scams, it'll give
you all the information on what they're doing and the
people who are using them, which they stop. But if
you're going to if you're going to keep continuing using
maybe you should read this. It's it says that just
before your ride shows up, you get a phone call.
The app has been hacked. Now apparently Uber or linked
with like Amazon and nictaminals and all those apps, and

(59:16):
they've been how they've been compromised in the past, and
there's been on the news about it. Anyway, So they've
they've hacked the Uber app, and what it is. They've
phone your number just before your ride shows up, and
you answer your phone and they tell you that they
have a new company policy that you need to give
them your text them, your your cell phone number, and

(59:39):
your verification number for your code. Uh, they said. And
then when you ask them why, I guess whatever the
case may be, they tell you it's a new company policy.
So you know, it's almost believable because you order an
Uber and the driver phones it and tells you this
is a new company policy. So you figure, well, you know,

(59:59):
this is the way is going for my security or
my purposes. So once you've give them that information, your
cell phone number, and your verification code, they get access
to your credit card information because in order for you
to book an over, you have the book a prepaid
on a credit card, right, So this is what it's
time to go. I just wanted to let people know

(01:00:20):
that are out there using over if they're going to
continue using them, Like I said, I wish they didn't.
I wish they use local taxi companies because we're here,
we have buildings here, we have office staff here. We're
we're losing drivers, we're losing office staff, we're losing dispatchers,
we're losing jobs. And again it's like I said to
you before, if they had to do everything we had

(01:00:42):
to do and have to pay for everything we have
to pay for and it was across the board, competition
not a problem. But when you can walk here and
grab a sated keys and jump your own car and
gland and not have to do anything, it's kind of disheartening.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Let me just add to the news. I read this
story yesterday. I actually meant to speak to it this
morning but kind of forgotten. So it can be very
very real looking and sounding. And you're right, the verification
code gives access to everything, including your credit card information.
Some of the messages that people are receiving on top
of the phone call even have a picture of your driver,

(01:01:18):
so looks like, well, this must be real. This is
the picture that I got in my app when I said,
you know, John, who's going to show up in a
black Nissan whatever? And they can send you that picture
on top of the phone call. So of course people
are being bad boozled. But Uber has said, and I
know your local cab guy, and I take local cabs
sometimes when I travel and take an Uber. But Uber
does not call, text or email you to recresse your password,

(01:01:40):
your verification code, or you're backing details. Ever, So, like
everything else in this world, if someone calls unprovoked looking
for personal information that can link anywhere near close by,
your banking information, your credit card information, just don't do it.
Like suppose you got to call a cab. Do not
fall for this stuff. Every single time someone calls her
sex or emails looking for that personal information, well ninety

(01:02:03):
nine nine percent of the time it is USCA.

Speaker 9 (01:02:07):
Yes, I agree with you, But if we don't call over,
you haven't got to worry about the scam, do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
You, ha ha ha, fair point right, yep?

Speaker 9 (01:02:14):
So, and then I'll throw another thing, is there too.
I can congratulate Danny Breen, he got back in as mayor.
And I know you had him on your should or
a while ago, and the first question you asked him,
what do you think about over do you think they
should have to do now? Danny agreed with you. He
said that. Now this was before the election. He agreed
with you. He said, yes, he said, I think that

(01:02:36):
the right sharing drivers that are in Saint John's or
Newfoundland Labrador or wherever and in the province put it
that way. They should have to do everything that a
taxi driver should do. Now, him getting voted back in,
I'd like for Danny, and I know he's listening, I'd
like for him to try to do something for us
for the taxis, because all our fees are paid at

(01:02:57):
city Hall where he works and he run. So everything
that the taxi driver does goes through city Hall. Your stickers,
your licenses and all that, and your your personal information,
your criminal background checks, you're going to go sector checks.
It all goes through city Hall. So it's keeping people
down there employed. You've got taxi inspectors, you've got people
that look after that stuff. So if that stops, he's

(01:03:20):
going to be in the same boat as the taxis.
They're going to lose staff. They're going to you know,
they're going to lose jobs. They're going to lose staff.
And if he wants the right sharing drivers to do it,
maybe he can put these two cents in and now
that the PCs are in, I'm just waiting to see
who's going to be Digital Minister, because I never got
anywhere with the Liberals with Service Dudley or Elvis Lovelass.

(01:03:42):
I never even got a return phone call. And as
like you said before, it might not be the call
he wants to hear, but at least you got a call,
and you know, like soever whoever it gets in. Now
with the PC's, I'm going to approach him soon as
they get set up, and I'm going to ask him
to have the right cheering drivers. And I'd like for
the taxi drivers to also comment on it if they can.

(01:04:03):
I'd like for them to, you know, put their two
cents in them up up at the Confederation Building, put
their two cents in that city Hall and let these
people know that we're losing jobs Patty since April, and
I'm just going to use it. And there's not a
plug for Jiffy cabsis for everybody. And I know the
other companies, Citywide, Buggins and Newfound, they're all losing drivers.
Developer Family are friends of mine, and I mean they're

(01:04:25):
all losing drivers. There right in center, there's cars getting
parked and when cars gets parked off the staff dispatcher's both.
So since April of twenty twenty five, excuse me, at
Giffy alone, there's been forty cars taken off the road.
You have a day driver and night driver and a
weekend driver. Most of them do three drivers. So you know,

(01:04:46):
you do the math. There's one hundred and twenty drivers.
And that's families. I know some of these guys that
I told you before. There's a few of the Puma
buddies that are Grand Alberta that work and everything else,
left their families here. There's other ones since April, I've
been taught to America, had to drive and get a
food bank patty. And they were drivers at one time
and time work and that's how they ever done for

(01:05:06):
twenty five and thirty years drive CDGY, So you know
it's hurting everybody. If if it were and the right
sharing companies that are in Saint John's, if they have
to do the same thing as a taxi drivers, the insurance,
the criminal background checks, the vulnerable sector checks, the first aids,
the defensive drivings and all that. I guarantee you they won't.

(01:05:28):
They won't be around too long once they get the
expenses coming back at them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Yeah, fair enough, I got it now. Not to defend
bring anybody else, but for any like anything like this
to change requires provincial legislation, because that's how it was
enabled in the first place, was through legislation. So whether
or not the Tories are going to act on anything
that you suggest or request, I guess remains to be seen.
But I suppose that's on my list for the various ministers.

(01:05:52):
Once we're told who the ministers will be, and once
the government's sworn in, which I don't know when that's
going to be, it should be sooner than later. I
appreciate the Times for Awaul, thanks for doing it.

Speaker 9 (01:06:01):
Could I just say comment to that and I'll let
you go quickly. Danny Briham was the one who lobbied,
and all the city halls down there, all the rest
of them, they were the ones that lobby to bring
those guys in.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
They labbit.

Speaker 9 (01:06:12):
They labored the provincial goblein to change the highway traffic deck,
which they did, so they can labor the provincial government
to change your back.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Okay, absolutely, yeah, you'll have a shout of good weekend, buddy.

Speaker 9 (01:06:21):
And enjoy the game.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Thanks very much, same to you, Paul. Welcome, bye bye.
Look and I see once again in the corner, myy,
someone says to Google taxi scams. Look, the unfortunate reality
is everywhere you look, and lurking around every corner is
the possibility for a scammer to be the on the
other end of the text of the call or the email,
whatever the case. We be. My overarching advice to myself

(01:06:46):
and you can takeular leave it, obviously, is don't fall
for any of this stuff. If someone is calling or
texting unprovoked saying they request your personal banking information, or
your social servance number, or your credit card information or
access to your computer, just don't do it. I mean,
you might feel the pressure. Some of the scams are

(01:07:07):
very very real feeling and looking. But let's just say
it's your bank and they call say, well it's RBC
or whatever and we need X, Y and z at
hang up and call the bank you got their number. Call.
They'll know whether or not they were actually trying to
reach you or not. Suppose they get mad at you
for hanging up on who cares. I'd rather someone be
mad at me than check my bank account, and I'm

(01:07:28):
sure ten grand I wish I had ten grind. All right,
let's get to the break. We'll make you back, plenty
of time left for you. Don't go away. Welcome back
to the show. Let's go Leonard one signor and to
Kelly Pafford with faith Haven. Faith Haven Animal Shelter up
and wabish and Kelly around the air.

Speaker 16 (01:07:45):
Hi, Patty, how are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
I'm okay, thank you. How about you?

Speaker 16 (01:07:49):
I'm good, thank you. I'm just calling about a dog
that we have here in our community. He's well known
here in lab With. His name is Willie and he's
a doodle Nicks. And he was found up on the
side of the highway there side of Firmont, about twenty
year or thirty minutes from town, and you know, a

(01:08:10):
kind of investigation. He came with a microchip and all that,
so we did find out who in fact he came from.
And I just kind of wanted to give a warning
to people. You know, we have breaders that come into
town and as a shelter, we followed them closely. You know,
we know when they're coming, we know when they're coming.
With twenty and thirty dogs all packed into a vehicle

(01:08:31):
and those those types of things. So with this particular instance,
you know, we kind of put two and two together.
We looked at the pictures on this particular reader's page
and realized that it was in fact the dog that
we had with us. Now, in the meantime, he was hurt,
very very badly, going to need an amputation. He was

(01:08:51):
about eight weeks old at the time when we got him.
And so we have been going forward. We've had conversations
with her, and I want to record my messages because
I find that over the years, I don't want somebody saying,
you know, she did this, she black, you know that,
those types of things. So I do that to protect

(01:09:11):
myself a lot of times. But in that conversation, she
did admit that she left the dog there. She did
admit that she made no effort to find the dog,
like you know, posting for help and those types of
things pretty much brush it under the rug. So I
just wanted to call this morning, just do let people
know and give people an idea of what to look

(01:09:34):
for when they're looking for a dog with a particular breeder.
And in my opinion, in our shelters opinion, if it
comes too easy. Like if the application process is too
easy and the whole experience is too easy and effortless,
that's not a good thing. You know, if you've had
an easy, you know time getting the dog and there

(01:09:54):
was no checks on the dog, like, that's never a
good thing. You need the and that's the application, You
need the home checks. You need to be able to
see the moms and dads, especially the moms on their
sites to make sure that there's no overbreeding. You need
to be able to, you know, ask for genetic testing
without being blocked from a particular page. And the biggest

(01:10:17):
red flag of all is when you see twenty and
thirty mixed breeds coming down at one time, multiple times
a year into a community and they're basically, in my opinion,
passing them out out of the trunk of their vehicle.
That's not a good thing. And I just want people
to be aware of that and ask the important questions.

(01:10:38):
And if you're blocked or if you're completely ignored by
asking those questions, then that's going to be your answer.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Yeah, I think that goes for most everything. If it's
too easy, there's probably something flaws. There's probably something.

Speaker 16 (01:10:53):
Wrong, absolutely, and you know, and like I said, this
particular breeder she comes down to the lab with she
goes over to Goose Bay. There's another breeder over there. Then,
I guess because here in lat West we only have
TAEL airlines, so it's very difficult to put animals on
the flights there. But Air Canada is a little bit
more flexible, which is a good thing because I mean

(01:11:15):
we send animals out for medical and stuff like that,
so I mean it's a little bit easier to get
the animals to be on But they're going to Direk,
they're going to Saint John's, and we just kind of
want to let everybody know that just be so careful,
you know, like you can't ignore the dogs. And I
always tell people, you know, if it was effortless for
you and it's gone to a good home, it's also
effortless for the not so great homes. You know, they're

(01:11:38):
experiencing the same application and the same requirements as what
you are. And that's what's very scary.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
It's a fair war and good cautionary tale. This morning, Kelly,
how are operations going out the shelter, because we hear
lots of concerns come from animal shelters right around the province.

Speaker 16 (01:11:54):
Well for us, we're in the process now of opening
up a new shelter. We would just award it about
threekers of land here by Takora Lines here, and we
had a local businessman here that actually helped us purchase
some buildings. So we are going to have a facility
where we're going to have more than enough space. We're

(01:12:15):
very lucky in Labdor because we don't have the cat
colonies and you know, and the weather is just so
cold here that you know, I don't think that they
would really survive in this type of environment. We see
more neglect than we see surrenders, and which makes us
very sad.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Yeah, I mean in so far as you know, the
animals and their protection what have you. I also hear
from people in the arena that talk about even just
input costs, veterinarian bills, the cost of dog food and
cat food and everything else is just so far up
that when we have firm reliance on the generosity of
people in the area, it's become a tougher and tougher

(01:12:55):
to do what's required.

Speaker 16 (01:12:58):
Absolutely, you know, and here in with I mean the
housing Shorty Jim I mean, I'm sure that's right across
the province and right across Canada, of course. You know,
so people, you know, we always say that there's no
judgment in our shelter surrenders people. We would rather somebody
come in and surrender an animal than to abandon an animal.
And U for us, you know, if you're CouchSurfing, and
if you're you just don't have a place.

Speaker 6 (01:13:19):
I'm not one to.

Speaker 16 (01:13:20):
Believe you know that I'll take my dog and I'll
live under a bridge, or I'll live in a box.
That's just not something that you're able to do. Sometimes
you have to make such a tough decision and it's heartbreaking.
We see lots of tears from genuinely wonderful people and
great ted owners and you know, and and and sometimes
you have to make that tough decision. So we see
a lot of that here as well. Which is which is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
All they said that it is Kenny. I appreciate the
time and the warnings this morning.

Speaker 16 (01:13:45):
Thank you, Thank you so much for taking the time
to talk to me. Patty, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
My pleasure. Kellyper Bye, Let's Cully poor with the Faith
Saving Animal Shelter and wabbush And to that end, we
spoke about this a few weeks ago because every now
and then when something comes up guarding our pets, then
it evokes an emotional response, understandably so. And the one
conversation that was happening in a couple of weeks ago
was about aggressive in this case dogs and the warning

(01:14:12):
about understanding who the breeder is and especially that when
you go down the road to talk about who you
get to be the dog trainer. If you go to
a trainer that has a reputation for using aggressive tactics
and consequently they turn out aggressive dogs, then that's something
you need to go in with your eyes open, because
nobody who wants to go that extra step of having

(01:14:32):
their dog incur some additional training. Nobody wants that dog
to come out as a mean spirited dog and a
potentially dangerous dog. So just be careful on that front.
And then every time we bring up things like vet bills,
I heard all the time. You know it's an unregulated industry.
And yes, not every vet clinic is created equal depending
on where they are and how many clients they have

(01:14:54):
and the operating costs. But vet bills can be very
expensive which spurred a couple of days of great email
back and forth and a couple of calls on air
about the merit of whether you should have pet insurance
versus just put money monthly into a pet insurance type
of bank account so that you can stow away some
money for a rainy day to cover that vet bill.

(01:15:15):
Or is there an upside to paying a monthly premium
for pet insurance. All of those things really get some
of the animal lovers and pet owners out there going
pretty good, all right? Just checking out on the Twitter
before we come back. We had a terrible fun connection
yesterday with Lee Harvey from the Cormack b Company, So
we'll rejoin Lee to allow them to finish the stoarts
because we really couldn't hear much about anything when we
spoke yesterday. Let's see here, run the Twitter box or

(01:15:37):
VOSIM open line, you know what to do. Email address
is open line at VOSM dot com. A couple of
the things that we brought up off the top of
the show really drew the distinct ire of some When
we talk about trade with the United States, I can
only speak from my perspective, but I want this to
go well for us. I don't really know. It's not

(01:15:58):
a zero some game here, and all deals, if they're
going to be good, ones have to be mutually beneficial.
But how and why the trade conversation and negotiations have
been completely derailed. I'm not so sure exactly what I
said that was inaccurate. If you'd like to point too
it versus just call me names. He ain't call me
names at you like. But it's remarkable how, all of
a sudden, so freely that people are going down the

(01:16:20):
road of retard. I hate him saying it out loud,
and I apologize, But how did we arrive at a
place where, all of a sudden, that's the comeback? Well
it doesn't really add a whole lot to the conversation,
but it's I think it says more about the people
who say it versus anyone that they're yapping at. Let's
go and take a break when we come back. Lee
Harvey with the Cormack Bee Company, then you took away,

(01:16:41):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to one number two.
Say morning, Lee Harvey with the Cormack Bee Company, Lee
around the air, good morning morning to you. Welcome back.

Speaker 14 (01:16:50):
Good cool. So let's be back. I'm currently at the
Cold Cafe on Tovey Rose, which is what I was
trying to relate yesterday. We're partnershipping with Cold Cafe for
sweet collaboration. Well I'll be here until eleven, sorry, from eleven,
wells from now until two. The people take their different
infused honeys and they're also in the use some of

(01:17:11):
their some of our signature in their signature foods and
durance specials. We have honey in fews with local partridge bery,
local bluesberries, local raspberries, and honey butters also infused with
the different berries. So pretty excited about about this. It connects,
it connects the certainly connects the West coast with the
East coast, which is something that needs to happen. The problem,

(01:17:35):
uh here on this island is getting getting the stuff
moving across the island. And we'll hear a lot from
other agriculture on people around me, and so it's a
it's a great opportunity to and and hopefully you will
get you know, looking some elledge and say hey we
need you know, we need to move products from me
more so from west to each and so the great
opportunity to do this the collaboration is all about connecting

(01:17:58):
with take the firm and for me coast to west
coast from we're proud to see her honey from a
home in such a creative and community driven space. And yeah,
so you've started off just to ask them some questions
about the local beekeeping and that's where we ended. So
on I will be here again until two o'clock at
the Cokefa and Tobey Road to answer any kind of

(01:18:19):
questions about honey you're beekeeping and simply all our different
flavors of honey and yeah sos Terry whar Im Holland,
and answer any kind of questions that you have, because
I know you have some questions about you know, people
being nervous of bees and you fear about bees and

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so barely answer any questions that you would have.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Yeah, let's I mean, I kind of know the answer
to that one. But I hear that all the time
is I don't know how anyone could be a bee keeper.
I'm afraid of bees. So it's the conversation about hived
bees in a formal setting by a bee keeper versus
wild bees. So what should people know?

Speaker 14 (01:18:58):
Well, generally, we we try to educate the public like
we we do honeytour be tours, honeybe tours. In the summer,
we will will peep and and in a lot of
cases we people will not wear protective clothing. Bring them
over and let them touch bees. Put their hands on
the bees and touch them, and so we can we
can get care care of clear of death. Whole fear.

(01:19:21):
It's generally what honey bees get a bad name because
most times as whats that do the stinging, because they're
very protective. But I work and and I don't I mean,
there's not something that I would come out and say, hey,
you know, yes, people do have allergies and people do
have fears, and yes, if you don't feel comfortable, please
for your protective your protective clothing. However, I you know,

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you get to know your bees. You get to know
the temperament. You know when they regrets, when they could
be just some of the year. No, you don't go
near to your hearts because they're protecting their honey. They
will sting you, but generally in the summer they're foraging,
they're doing their own thing, and when they do sting you,
they're to die. So it's least thing that they want
to do. But us as as a beekeeping company, we

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part of our part of our our agenda is to
educate people and hey, honey bees are okay. And we
hear it all the time that it's just on a
regular basis, I I'm afraid and h but if on
these things are tours, they're like, oh, you know, and
we'll we'll give them some taste the honey out of
the frame and and so they're yeah. So it's it's
up to beekeepers to educate the public and and honey

(01:20:30):
beas because it's relatively new. Beekeeping has been around the
orland for a long time, but not to his degree
that it is now. As you mentioned at home, you
know homesteaders and you know it's it's homesteading automatically almost
you don't have a beehive gear which which helps for
pollination and of course some honey at the end of
the year. But it's up to the beekeepers and educ

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beat the public and and get to figure out of
I could have a high mixed to you and and
you would never know if they're doing their things, you know,
as long as you don't put their flight path in front,
you know, we're an extorinator.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
You should be okay, And that's why I asked. I've
asked that a bee keepers who are friends in mine
and they spell out very much to say the same
or similar thing to you. There's times of the year
where you stay away for the obvious reasons. But yeah,
there's a built in foremost people, I guess speak for everyone,
but there's a built in weariness about bees. I think

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when it comes to the potential to be stung by
one lee. I always appreciate your time, good luck with
your crafts.

Speaker 14 (01:21:28):
Thank you very much, Betty, any time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
My pleasure. All the best. Bye, bye, Harvey, go back
bee company. Let's go to line number one. Sigmore to
Glenn Brown with the Marystown Shipyard Family's Alliance. Glenn, you
are on the air.

Speaker 15 (01:21:40):
Yeah, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
How are you not bad?

Speaker 15 (01:21:42):
You on callum today? About earnings back of calculations. As
it pertains two injured workers. When you get injured, workplace
calculates your earnings, your pre injury earnings before your injury,

(01:22:03):
so they collect your earnings supposedly from your employer or
Revenue Canada. They then calculate your earnings by probable deductions, okay,
CPPDI louple attack and federal tax, and then they arrive

(01:22:29):
at a net income and then they pay eighty five
percent of the net So at the end of the year,
they then send a T five zero zero seven to
Revenue Canada of these net earnings, not inclusive of any

(01:22:49):
of those deductions, so they don't report their calculations to
Revenue Canada. So essentially they go in as as net earnings.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
So that's that's.

Speaker 15 (01:23:07):
The first stage, the first calculation. So every year after
that they then collect.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
An Option C.

Speaker 15 (01:23:15):
From REMW Canada. Well they actually demand it, and each
year they recalculate your earnings with the addition of the
consumer price Index. That's all fine until you get accepted
for CPP. So when you get accepted for CPP, they

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then collect another option CE and then they proceed to
do the integration of CPP and EEL. But what they
actually do is they collect the earnings that they already
submitted under the T zero zero five is net earnings.
They then deemed them as growth earnings and then they

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add your our CPP amount and then they go on
to calculate a gross weekly amount and then they reclculate
again with the with the probable income tax deductions, the
further reduce your your so called gross earnings to down

(01:24:25):
further again. And then they then calculate and take seventy
of your CPP, which leaves the worker paying two lots
of taxes or calculations of taxes on pre injury earnings.

(01:24:46):
What's even more concerning about that is they also collect
the spousal earnings, which where the spouse has no involvement
in in workplace. Now, because most of these when they
get to the option see from in New Canada, and
these taxes are already calculated based on netclean code and

(01:25:13):
mostly injured workers are hebro. Taxes donut on the marital
status the spouse, so they collect this and most of
these workers have disability tax credits. So I'll just give
you an example of how this works. I won't give

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you the name of worker, I'll just give you the number.
So this this guy, this person made thirty five dollars
an hour he got injured, totally disabled. They calculated him
down to the net claim code at just over fifteen
hundred dollars. They added consumer price index, collected the option sees.

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When he got accepted for CPP, they then deemed the
fifteen hundred plus as his gross income. They then added
the CPP amount from the option.

Speaker 17 (01:26:17):
See.

Speaker 15 (01:26:18):
They then added the probable taxes again and then further
reduced his income down to eleven hundred dollars. Then they
calculated seventy five percent of his CPP and removed an
additional two hundred and forty dollars, and then on top
of that they then create an overpayment for the CPP

(01:26:44):
that he's collected. So I read a statement thereby the
Federation of Labor yesterday and we actually have after reaching
out to the Federation of Labor Citizens Rep.

Speaker 14 (01:26:56):
I spent two.

Speaker 15 (01:26:57):
Hours on the phone with the opts of the INFORMI,
you know, Privacy Commissioner yesterday and the day before reached
out to the Auditor General. They won't take it on,
the Citizens representative won't respond, the new Premier won't respond,
and Workplace in now basically told me contact whoever to

(01:27:22):
deal with this because they're not going to right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Glenn, quick question before we brought out of time, So
is this calculation different for injured workers versus anybody else,
regardless of their revenue stream, like if they are on
long term disability versus workers comport it is different. Okay,
that's what I'm trying to understand.

Speaker 15 (01:27:39):
What I'm trying to tell you is that they deem
probably they take pre injury earnings and they deem probable not.
They don't de duct tax They calculate probable taxes, so
they remove that from your income and they're the beneficiary
of that money. They do not provide dictation to Revenue

(01:28:03):
Canada that they have deducted this amount of money from
your gross and when it goes under the t thig
zero zero tax form, it's non taxable income supposedly, So
then they send it to Revenue Canada, and then the
following year, subsequent years after they then collect the same

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income and call it a gross earning, and then they
recalculate the earnings again as gross and then take the
probable taxes again, so they're the beneficiary. As an injured worker,
your pre injury earnings are indexed every year, so each

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time they take put in those calculations and remove the
probable taxes, they're the beneficiary of that money. So they're
doing it twice. And they're also collecting the spousal income
which they have no right to, and they're using the
spousal income in their calculations because there's no excuse here

(01:29:08):
because the option SEA explains that I paid taxes, my
wife paid the remainder. Uh, there's a disability tax credit here.
This is all tax free money. They collected the tax
free amount and they then turned it into taxable money

(01:29:31):
and they take taxes of it, and there's no record
of it. Okay, it's highway robbery, right. I'm just trying
to let people.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
Know that.

Speaker 15 (01:29:42):
If you were, if you were a person in this
province that is in receipt seat of workers' compensation and
CPP of befits, you are being.

Speaker 14 (01:29:56):
Fraud it. Okay, back to these.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
People, because you deal with it as often as you do,
you have much better grasp than I do. But that
sounds very confusing. But it also, at the same time
sounds pretty unfair. I mean, when we talked about a
group of people as injured workers, Glenn, I have to
get to the news break care nob late for it.
But Tabe wants me to put you on hold. He
needs to speak with you.

Speaker 15 (01:30:16):
Okay, yeah, just one thing that very We asked an audit,
We asked for an author of this right independent audit
of these calculations and I guess we're going to have
to go and get it done ourselves, but you know
we need someone to speak on this. And thanks, thanks
again Patty for your time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
I appreciate yours. Your on hold, you'll speak with Dave.
Let's get a break for the news. Don't go away.

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Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number three.
Gary are on the air.

Speaker 17 (01:31:01):
Hi, Good morning, Patty, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
How about you?

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Good?

Speaker 7 (01:31:05):
Sarah?

Speaker 17 (01:31:05):
Good? This is actually my fifth time calling you all
on the same subject, and all exactly one year apart.
I wanted to make your listeners aware of a fundraiser
that we have coming up in Marytown this coming Sunday.
It's sponsored by the Friends of Daffodil Place, Beran Peninsula

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and all posteds, of course go to a Daffodil Place
which needs no description. Everyone's aware that it's a home
away from home for cancer patients in Saint John and
we have a lot of people here on the Beran
Peninsula who avail of the services of Daffodil Place, so
we'd just like to give back and contribute towards the

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operation of the facility.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
How's the fundraiser operating, gry I know because we've spoken
five straight years, but maybe for the.

Speaker 17 (01:31:58):
Listener, okay. It takes the form of a telethon type thing.
It's live on Facebook and you can find it on
Facebook at the Friends of Daffodil Place, Garan Peninsula. Just
you go to your search and type that in and
it will take you right there. We're on from one

(01:32:20):
until five on Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 9 (01:32:23):
You can drop by.

Speaker 17 (01:32:24):
We're located at Saint Gabriel's Hall right in the heart
of Marystown. You can give us a call. We'll have
the numbers on Sunday in which you can call. And
of course a lot of pre promotion and fundraising have
been done already and a lot of people are lined up.

Speaker 7 (01:32:42):
We have a.

Speaker 17 (01:32:43):
Packed agenda for Sunday afternoon for folks, businesses, organizations, individuals,
you name it to come in and make their donations
live on the telethon, and of course we'll be having
some entertainment some prizes, and I'll be one of three

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moderators along with Fred Dodge and Gary Moser, and we'll
have some stories about visits and the stays at Effodol Place.
We'll have some stories of cancer battles, some of them
with happy endings, not so much. But this is a
very real thing that we're dealing with there, and we'll

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be looking at all aspects of the emotions, never mind
the expense of going through a battle with cancer. So
we're looking forward to having a great day on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Good Gary, what motivates you to keep it going every here?

Speaker 17 (01:33:43):
This is a project of a very large committee that
is spearheaded by two ladies by the names of Cindy
Warren and Teror Plank.

Speaker 12 (01:33:57):
And they have a.

Speaker 17 (01:33:58):
Large committee comprising up people from around the beer in
Peninsula and this is what they do. Not too long ago,
they had a Survivor's luncheon. This was not a fundraiser.
This was just a social gathering for cancer survivors, folks
battling cancer now, just to get together and celebrate each

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other and to try and feel good about, you know,
conversing and sharing experiences with other cancer survivors. And they
hosted a softball tournament earlier this past summer, and various
other fundraisers throughout the year, and of course in various
towns on the Vieren Peninsula, members of the committee do

(01:34:41):
their own thing with bake sales, etc. Et cetera, and
it all comes together on Sunday, and in past the
past four years it's been usually somewhere in the twenties
twenty four to twenty five twenty six thousand for the day.
So we're looking to do at least that much this
year and hope, hopefully, hopefully even more.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Good on your Gary, Hopefully it's a ror success. And
I appreciate your time this morning.

Speaker 17 (01:35:07):
Thank you, mister Deally. You have a great day and
a great week.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Then the very same too. Bye bye. There we go,
good down Gary for the fifth annual call and the
fifth annual fundraiser. I've been sent this story many many
times today, and I guess that means people want me
to talk about it. It's a new report card from
the cd HOW Institute. It's looking at different provinces and
how they are transparent or not with how they tax

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and spend in the accounting practices and accountability and all
those types of things that we talk about all the time.
They call the report making the grade the FYSCAL Accountability
to Report Card for Canada's senior governments twenty twenty five.
So insofar as the provinces go, at the top of
the charts, remarkably is Alberta a part of me Quebec,
followed by Alberta with B pluses. This province down the

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line earned a C. The federal government not so much.
We're looking at a D grade for the federal government.
Now you can read the Tire report to get a
better understanding what B plus means versus D. But a
lot of this kind of stuff here and now. The
federal government was also tied with Manitoba Northwest Territories with
the grades of D. You know, people ask me all

(01:36:14):
the time about some of these pre budget announcements and
the two billion dollars for clean tech and all those
types of things. Look, this is how it works with
budgets provincially on federally all the time, isn't it. We'll
get an inkling of what's going to be entailed in
formal budgets through the various policy announcements and spending announcements
leading up to the actual tabling of the budget. So
until we get a look at it in its totality,

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it's kind of hard to know what's what. You know,
we can talk about auto manufacturer leaving for the United
States because of the trials. We can talk about the
money spent on clean tech as they call it. We
can talk about some of the defense contracts that have
been let in the recent past. But until we get
the headline grab and stuff like debt and what it
means are part of the deficit this year which could

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be one hundred billion dollars were told which I mean,
I guess we'll all find out the same time, and
what that means for the country's sovereign debt, it's kind
of hard to know exactly what to make of it.
The biggest thing on the table at this moment in time,
if we're talking about the politics and the political machinations
of it all, is who's going to support the budget
because the Prime Minister and the minority Liberals they need

(01:37:20):
some support here at least one party has got to
vote alongside. Now mister Poliev, apparently the leader of the
Conservative Party, has said he's put his demands for it
and you know, it isn't going to reject the budget
without getting to see the budget. But I'll be a
monkey's uncle if it gets any support from the Conservatives.
So then it's the Block, And we know the Block

(01:37:40):
has said the quiet part out loud again. Their leader
Blanchette has said unless it's great for quebecer's and we
know the Blocks MO, that's all they really care about.
As long as it's good for Quebec and cabucs specific
spending or investment or policies tailored to their upside, then
the Block's not going to support it either. Which leaves
the NDP, and even though they've lost the official party status,

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their votes are enough to secure a confidence motion, which
is a budget. So I guess we'll all wait and see.
But wouldn't it be a little bit surprising if all
of a sudden the NDP wanted to go back to
the pulse. I'm sure the Conservatives do, I'm sure the
Block don't care. But the NDP, given that they look
pretty broken at this moment of time on the national stage,

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what's the likelihood of them not supporting budget? You know,
they say, mister Davies, who's the interim leaders. Well, we
don't know yet. Well they kind of probably do know.
I mean, remember when we get rebuttals from the priorities
after the budget is tabled. Much of that is pre taped.
They've already got their stance on it, and most of
it's pretty predictable stuff. Let's take a break here. When

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Welcome back to the show. Let's go to the line
of one segmare to the CE. You at the Alzheimer's
Society of NEWFOULANDA Labrador that Shirley Lucas High Shirley are

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on the air.

Speaker 7 (01:39:05):
Good morning, Patty, how are you doing great today?

Speaker 5 (01:39:06):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
How about you?

Speaker 7 (01:39:08):
Good good.

Speaker 6 (01:39:09):
So I just wanted to kind of make people aware
that we're in our last week of our annual coffee
break event and we have over two hundred and ten
businesses and people in the community participating this year, and
it's a great opportunity to spread awareness about dementia so
that people know where to turn in their time of need.

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And as I said, we have one week less. If
people are interested in hosting a coffee breaking aid of.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
Dementia this year, what's involved in hosting a coffee breaking.

Speaker 6 (01:39:41):
Well, they would basically set up the coffee pot and
some information on dementia and people would make a donation
for their coffee for that morning.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
Sounds good? So anything else in that because I do
want to talk about strategies preparedness to deal with some
of the forecast and numbers of all and dementia.

Speaker 7 (01:40:02):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
Okay, so we see the numbers, and you know when
we talked about, for instance, just aging demographic and what
that means for affordable housing, what it means for interaction
with the healthcare system, the numbers out there regarding Alzheimer's
and dementia into the future are astounding. I know there's
been some work done on the federal level and some
worked on here provincially. Do you think that the roadmap

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is clear enough to give you some cold comfort that
the Feds and the province really see what's coming, Because
the numbers that your organization produces are off the charts.

Speaker 6 (01:40:35):
Yeah, they definitely are after Church. And I think that
you know, right in Newfoundland and across Canada, the population
is aging and that will contribute to the reasons for
some of the higher numbers that is forecasted. And I
think that, you know, our researchers internally are doing a
better job of trying to capture some of those numbers

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so that we can be a part of that change
in helping I guess let government officials know so that
they can prepare for it. Will we be prepared for it?
I think the numbers are really high, and I think
it's going to take a lot of planning to be
providing the right services to people.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
I don't want to misquote the numbers, but some of
the things that we're looking at are, you know, like
one hundred and eighty seven percent increase by twenty fifty.
I mean, we're talking about some one point seven million
people are Canadians living with dementia by twenty fifty. It's
somewhere in and around seven hundred and fifty thousand. Now
is that an accurate numbers?

Speaker 7 (01:41:32):
Early?

Speaker 8 (01:41:33):
Yes, yes it is.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Okay, so it's easy enough for us to say, Okay,
here's what the numbers are, but being prepared for it.
What does that mean and how should we think about that?

Speaker 6 (01:41:43):
Well, I think we should be prepared in terms of
looking at our healthcare systems whether or not we're going
to be able to meet that demand, looking at I
guess you know, whether or not people can be maintaining
for longer periods at home, and providing the right supports
and having accessibility to those supports to be able to
maintain people for longer periods of time at home, and

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having you know the right facilities in terms of being
dementia friendly, you know, whether that's a personal care home
or a dementia village or a long term care facility.
Being prepared for what those numbers are going to do
to our healthcare system and making sure that we have
all staff equipped in terms of being knowledgeable of the

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disease and enough healthcare professionals to be able to respond
to that demand.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
I would imagine part of being prepared is also to
understand the different kinds of supports that family members and
loved ones need, because it's a pretty traumatic road to
be on and I know your organization talks about this
a lot. You know, peer support and family support, support groups,
advice what to anticipate or expect once of diagnosis has offered,
which sounds easy, but it's not as easy as said

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is done.

Speaker 6 (01:42:53):
No, it's not easy because any diagnosis of dementia is
obviously very challenging. To accept that diagnosis and know what's
available out there in the community, and that is part
of our role in trying to help people be prepared
for what services are available to at this particular point
in time, looking into the future as to what they

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may need in the future, and getting people to prepare
for some of those transitions. It's really difficult because it's
their loved one who are going through it, and they
want to make sure that that journey is the best
journey possible for them.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
I gave some of the broad stroke numbers regarding some
more points of million Canadians forecasting to be living with
the mancha by twenty fifty. Do we also have forecasts
numbers about early onsets.

Speaker 6 (01:43:41):
We don't at this particular point in time. We do
have some preliminary ones. We are anticipating a new report
to come out. We do know the number is increasing
to in young onset, and we're trying to prepare for
those forecasts right now.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
Actually, yeah, fair enough, and inside of the caregiver impact,
I believe. And you've got all the numbers we're talking about,
like one and a half billion hours by the time
we hit twenty fifty for that, so that adds up
to somewhere in the neighborhood of seven hundred thousand jobs.
So this is not insignificant stuff that we're talking about
into the future. Surely anything else on that part you'd

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like to talk about while we.

Speaker 6 (01:44:18):
Have here, Well, I guess I just want to communicate
to the public that our organization is here to help.
We have lots of informations and supports and can answer
a lot of questions for somebody who is new to
the dementia diagnosis, and we are available to help them
at any time, and they can certainly just call our
office at any time.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
It gives the coffee break information again before we run
out of time.

Speaker 6 (01:44:42):
So the coffee break is where businesses and people in
the community are hosting coffee breaks in aid of the
Alzheimer's Society to increase the awareness in the community so
that when someone they know is faced with a dementia diagnosis,
they know where to call. For support.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
Oh pops in my head here and then I'll let
you go. Is when we talk about healthcare access to services,
there's long been an acknowledged gap between urban and rural
in this province and right across the country. I don't
know your organization services everybody wherever they are in the province,
but actual you know, close by proximity to services. How

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bad is it in rural compared to urban Canada?

Speaker 6 (01:45:24):
Well, there is, I guess.

Speaker 8 (01:45:26):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:45:27):
The services vary from different parts of the province depending
on where you live, and in some incidents, people are
I guess relocated depending on if they need long term
care services if it's not available in their community. So
I guess my answer to that would be there's always
room for improvement. There's always room to be able to

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have the person as close to their loved one as possible,
and you know, being prepared for what those numbers are
going to be in the future so that we can
plan for that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
I really appreciate your time, surely, good luck for the
coffee break.

Speaker 6 (01:46:01):
This year, Thank you very much. I appreciate the opportunity
to share.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
The message anytime. Thanks Shirley. All right, Sureley, lookas the
CEO at the Alzheimer's Society of Newfolanda, Labrador. I mean,
those numbers are staggering. Between now and twenty fifty forecasting
one hundred and eighty seven percent increase and the number
of people diagnosed with them living with dementia. You can
go right through the Alzheimer's Society's web page itself. You
can find the report there. I believe the vast majority

(01:46:26):
that worked on the front was done at the School
of Medicine at UBC, So if you google it up
in your interest in finding out a bit more, you
can find it there. And then the caregiver impact, which
sometimes we don't include in the conversation enough. We're talking
about somewhere to the equivalent of like seven hundred thousand
jobs inside a caregiver. Even if those forecasts proved to

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be accurate or even close to accurate, that's about one
point five billion hours a year. I mean, it's not insignificant,
to say the very least. Let's check in on the
Twitter box, revieosim, open line, follow us their email addresses,
open outofiosm dot com, and there's some aggressive action in
there this morning. Bring it on, all right, one and
take a break for the news. Let me come back.

(01:47:08):
We're going to Labrador to talk about agriculture and then
oh Cassandras in the Q to talk about dimential resources
a part of me in rural don't go away the
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Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Join the conversation weekday afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Welcome back. Let's go to line number two. Say you
more to the founder of the Food Producers Forum. That's
Dan Rubin. Good morning, Dan, you're on the air.

Speaker 7 (01:47:31):
Hey Patty, good to talk to you as always, and
thank you for that discussion before the break about such
an important topic, thoughtfully explored and present it. Of course,
I'm calling to talk about food supply in this province,
which we've been working on for the last seven years
through Food Producers Forum in nonprofit society.

Speaker 5 (01:47:52):
Okay, I've got some good news.

Speaker 14 (01:47:54):
I've got some bad news today, so let's do the
good news.

Speaker 7 (01:47:58):
First three items for your listeners. The first one is
that and this is action on the part of Food
First and L They've just launched a digital food hub
for ordering food local food online. It's called the Avalon
Food Hub. It's up and running and you can find
it online and These are all kinds of local agricultural

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products and manufactured products and healthcare products, all local, and
you order them online and then you pick them up
in Pleasantville, and they're working on a distribution network for
it as well. Really good news in terms of direct
marketing of.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
Food, right absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:48:39):
The second thing is that during the during the election campaign,
we put out a policy document I think I called
you about this to all three political parties, and we
have in hand now an extremely strong and detailed letter
of commitment from the Premier from Tony Wakem about the
issues we raised, saying that he's ready to move mountains

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and get things done and clear the decks to better
support farmers and home food production in the province. And
so we'll be moving forward with that as an organization
in the new year. And the third one to tell
you about is that the project that I led over
the last two years, the Provincial Food Network, is now

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fully registered as a provincial cooperative and we'll be welcoming
farmers and food producers and home gardeners and basically anybody
who cares about food here, good local, healthy food and
taking action to support and expand that through advocacy, knowledge sharing, mentorships,

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promotion of local food. So that's the Provincial Food Network,
Community Service Cooperative and if you're at all interested, I'm
saying this to the listener, there's email Food Producers Forum
at gmail dot com because we're just getting the thing
set up, but it is now registered.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Excellent, so tryally good news. A couple of quick things
there go ahead. In so far as the Premier's written
commitments commitments to WATT.

Speaker 7 (01:50:16):
To act in specifical ways, I could read bits from
the letter, but I think it's probably more appropriate if
I just say he has identified a number of actions,
including forming a committee to really look at food policy
that includes a full range of stakeholders, and also to

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improve the farm loans and equipment access. A bunch of stuff.

Speaker 14 (01:50:41):
A bunch of stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:50:43):
So that's the good news, very specific commitments.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Yeah, yeah, and I'd like to see it, and I
don't know if you'd like to share, that would be terrific.
It's just even via email, but I suppose I can
also get that information from the Premier's office and co op.

Speaker 7 (01:50:55):
That's right. I will check and see if it can
be shared. I have been sharing it within our circle,
but I was stunned, frankly by the degree to which
he really understands the problem, the problem and has responded
to the policy initiatives that we've put forward to really

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encourage more food production locally.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
And that's one of many things good things that have
come from the food producer resformersts because I think some
of the food whether it be food security or food insecurity,
we kind of misuse those labels every now and then,
but it's the understanding of the issue that seemed to
be lacking. Is certainly the political arena.

Speaker 7 (01:51:34):
Well, what happens with a lot of things is we
have buzzwords, we have myths. You know, Oh, you can't
grow food here. That's one of our terrible myths, because
you can. You can grow it all here. Maybe not
peaches unless you're in boots go, but you know what
I mean. But the thing about food security is it's
just a phrase and it has a definition, but it

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kind of is a smoke screen. You have to dig
in and get down to the real issue, which is
a loss of farming, the capacity that we have a
new technology like hydroponics. We've talked about that and particularly
the role that home food producers play when we did
our survey in twenty twenty two. Out of the six

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point two million pounds of food that the seven hundred
and forty two people who answered the survey, we're growing
four hundred and forty one thousand pounds was coming from
backyards and hunting and fishing and foraging. But let me
get on to the issue of the day. I got
a call this morning from Tom Angiers. Now, Tom Angiers

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is a ninth generation Canadian farmer who's been farming in
Goose Bay, Labrador for the last thirty years. And without
getting into the details of his story, he's producing the
largest crop in Labrador history. And he's also importing really
good quality food for Montreal. And we helped him buy

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a twenty five ton truck to deliver that food down
the coast all the way to the Quebec border. And
he's flying that produce by plane in atwihichh and Lectical
and places in the north. So he's a critical part
of restoring food security and healthy food, particularly for the
indigenous communities in Labrador Okay. So he for the very

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first time this year applied for the wage subsidy program
that will match the employer's contribution to hire people to
work for a business. And his business, of course, is farming.
So he brought in a Ukrainian couple from Ontario to
work on his farm, and he applied for the wage subsidy.

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And he called me practically in tears this morning. He's
been turned down. And the reason they turned him down
was that he began employing them before the application was
received by the province. In fact, he has a letter
saying for when he applied, saying that he could employ

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them as soon as he applied. So what they're doing
is they're niggling about the difference in the dates between
the date he said in the application and the working
day they received it. And on that grounds they denied
the whole application. And he screwed having pay these people.

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And what does he do now? Lay them off? Do
you see what I mean? So it's another example of
the bureaucratic nightmare that happened. Somebody in an office somewhere
took it upon themselves to make this decision and simply put,
it ain't right. And how do he generate food security
if that kind of stuff is going on.

Speaker 14 (01:54:46):
So he's in a pickle.

Speaker 7 (01:54:47):
He needs help. I put him onto his MHAs newly
elected MHA. But it's one of those stories that when
you hear it, you just go, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Yeah, I mean, bureaucratics have Sometime it's the red tape.
Sometimes it's the timelyness, the time and the effort and
the money it takes to get through the bureaucracy. But
more often than not, it's left hand right hand being
in two different buildings in two different universes, sometimes not
knowing what either is doing. And consequently, people with all
the right intentions to solve critically important issues have to

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swim upstream unnecessarily all the time. Before I run out
of time, I do want to just dig in on
the co op for a second. I mean, sure, co
ops they have a distinct upside. I'll get your perspective
as why it's an upside for the food producers form.
But like things like co op housing, we talk about
the housing crunch, but we don't talk enough about co
op housing, even though the federal government money now does

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include support for co op housing, co ops in the banks,
co ops in the fishery. How does it work about
the upside for your group?

Speaker 7 (01:55:48):
Well, it's interesting that you mentioned the housing because at
the very same time that our registration has gone through
for the Provincial Food Network co Op. George Lee, a
guy who's been associated with Fogo Process and non Extension,
an elderly man who's working with immigrants and immigrant investment,
has just launched a cooperative to build more houses using

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the investment coming from overseas, and co ops, like any
kind of organizational thing, takes some real leadership and well
need to be well organized. But we've got some wonderful
leadership already accumulated from the work the project that I
lent over the last two years. And the wonderful thing

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about this co op is it's an organization for everyone.
All it takes to join is that you care about food.
Because we've learned through the work that we've been doing
in the last six seven years that when you get
everybody around the table and you have a diversity of
backgrounds and knowledge, you can do amazing things because of

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that combination. And so the co op will bring together
people who are growing food. We're in partnership with the
Federation of Agriculture, fully encouraging and supporting the idea that
people join the Federation if they're commercial farmers, but there's
so many people out there, young people moving into farming.

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A great program that the Federation is running NL young farmers,
training them and supporting them. But this is well we've
talked about this. Food supply is the real issue, not
food security and abstract forms, and everybody has a role
to play in it. And the co op, the new

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co op, the PFN co Op, will be the vehicle
to bring people together and use their skills to change policy,
support farmers, support food growers, and clear the decks at
the municipal level where there's been so many problems. Very hopeful.
That's what you're talking about, right, the power of co
ops right.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
Yeah, I mean it used to be by the people. Yeah,
exactly right. And there's a lot of benefits to be
shared amongst the many versus reaped by the few, which
is probably a good way to move forward on a
variety of fronts. Dad, appreciate the time this morning as usual,
Thanks for the call.

Speaker 7 (01:58:14):
Thanks And if there's anybody out there who can help
Palm deal with this mess, he's Spruce Meadow Farms in
Labrador in Goose Bay and you can find him online.
He needs some help getting this turned around because it's
not right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
Thank you for the time, Patty, anytime down stay in touch. Sure, Okay, okay,
bye bye. Den Rubin, founder of the Food Producers Forum.
File break of the Morning and the Week. When we
come back, Cassandra is going to talk about the dearth
and dementia related resources in rural don't go away, Welcome
back to the show. Let's go to line number three.
Good morning, Cassandra, you're on the air.

Speaker 18 (01:58:48):
And Patty, I just heard all of our bunny come
on and talk about rural resources and certainly I want
to just have a conversation with you the lack of
rural resources and the need for the province to kind
of identify some innovative and creative solutions to keep people

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at home for as long as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
Let's dig into what the reality is now for access
to dimension related resources in rural What do you have
access to?

Speaker 18 (01:59:20):
Very very limited. So I've been working in rural health
for the last thirteen years, and of course our rural
population is the fastest old our aging population in Newfland Labrador,
with Newthland and Labrador being the fastest province you know
aging within Canada. So right now there's very very limited

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community activities that individuals can attend as well as any supports,
support groups or suppose support systems within rural context along
with an number of other you know barriers. You know,
dementia care is a significant, wicked problem, is very complex

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and includes multiple systems within society. But definitely there is
some solutions that the province can trial and you know,
to meet and support individuals to age in place.

Speaker 2 (02:00:25):
Such as because when you talk about innovative solutions, some
people's minds might go down, like virtual care, which might
not necessarily do the trick to try to keep someone
in their home as long as possible when we talk
about Alzheimer's or dementia. So what are you referring to
regarding innovative approach.

Speaker 18 (02:00:40):
So utilizing recreation and leisure and recreation therapy as an
approach within the community to support individuals to age in place.
So developing programming in collaboration with towns and municipalities to
utilize their spaces a little bit more to develop these

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programs and run these programs for the population to attend
to ensure that you know, individuals have the opportunity for
socialization and appropriate activities that meet their particular needs and
skill set. Of course, we all know that dementia is
the degenerative disease, and it's progressive disease, and it's a

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devastating disease not only for the person, but more so
for the caregivers and the families that surround that person.
And to develop those those resources and to ensure that
people have the right resources around them to maintain their
functioning and their their quality of life for as long

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as possible. Right now, my role is a recreation therapist
within the Community Supports program, and I'm one of two
in the province and the feedback that I'm getting from
clients now is phenomenal, you know. And I what I
do as a rec therapist, I go in and assis
and I plan and I modify activities for individuals to

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enjoy again and you know, experience pleasure and to stimulate
them cognitive stimulation and physical stimulation to ensure that they
can maintain their overall health and well being for as
long as possible, while improving the connections between caregivers and
individuals living with dementia, you know, throughout their care journey

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as well.

Speaker 2 (02:02:34):
Absolutely, And so when we're talking about access to resources,
for people who are diagnosed and living with Alzheimer's and dementia.
Part of the conversation we have with Shirley Lucas was
also about caregivers, and I can imagine it must be
a similar dearth of resources in world when we talk
about caregiving and caregiver support as it is for the individual.

Speaker 18 (02:02:55):
And of course, you know, as we all know, access
to specialized services in rural News Atlanta is very limited.
We do have, you know, some specialized teams come out
on occasion, however, you know that is very limited in
its in itself. And of course, you know, caregivers really
need to be the one center centered on this because

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as their resilience and their health, that's going to keep
these individuals in their communities for as long as possible.

Speaker 2 (02:03:24):
Yeah, yeah, Cassandra, I think we can probably expand this
healthcare related conversation we're having about Alzheimer's and dementia to
just about every facet of rural health care period. And
I mean, I know that the country is urbanizing at
a pretty quick pace, but that doesn't mean all of
a sudden politicians, political parties and governments can you know,

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not acknowledge the continued needs in rural parts of the country.
And I mean, I think we can all admit that
healthcare delivery will look different into the future insofar as
where people are going to be able to go to
major clinics and the specialists and have the top quality
diagnostic worked on. But still people still live in rural
Canada and to ensure supports are still there, and they

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may dwindle over time just based on population shift, but
it's still a real thing. And I'm not so sure
if people understand that necessarily, and a lot of people.

Speaker 18 (02:04:18):
Don't necessarily understand recreation the therapy either. But if you
think about what you do in your free time and
what you enjoy in your free time and how that
relates to your overall well being and health is significant.
It's significant to your identity, it's significant to your physical health,
your psychological health, your mental health, and if those activities

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are taken away from you from disease or illness, that
has a huge impact on your health and well being
moving forward, no question.

Speaker 2 (02:04:50):
Because Satra, I really appreciate making time for the show
this morning. Thanks a lot. All right, take care you too,
Bye bye. Yeah that was quick. So when speak with
Charlie Lucas, and then we took a break for the news.
There was, how paraphrase, a couple of emails saying, you know,
why do I I guess speaking I guess they were

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addressing me is why do I have the propensity to
put out these types of numbers that can only make
people worry. It's not the intention, it's not try to
make anyone fearful, but the fundamental is not preparing what's next.
I mean, just think about it. Politicians do a lot
of knee jerk work. Right, something happens and then we react.

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And in the world of things like regarding health care
access and the forecast of numbers of dimension and Alzheimer's,
my purpose for putting it out there is not to
make anyone afraid for what's coming next, is to make
politicians think, because ultimately we will rely on governments to
be prepared. Families are always going to have that built
in worry and that not in their stomach that healthcare

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might diminish for themselves or their loved ones into the future,
but ultimately to receive any of that care for one
diagnosis or another, the responsibility lies with the government. So
that's one hundred percent. The purpose of talking about things
like that is so that politicians get it on the radar.
Politicians and their public policy and the focus of public
policy and the spending of taxpayer money does something to

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acknowledge what we see coming, because that's what we do,
especially when we talk about healthcare. We react and sometimes
after the fact, look no further than the doctor shortage
or the problems with access to primary care. This has
been percolating for years and years, and yet here's where
we are. Eric could show today big thanks to all hands.

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We will indeed pick up this conversation again on Monday
morning right here on VOCMN big landfm's Open Line on
behalf of the producer David Williams. I'm your host, Patty Daily.
Have yourself a safe, fun, happy weekend talk Monday, Go Jays,
Bye bye