Friday Oct 3rd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line calls seven oh nine, two seven,
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and Labrador starts now Here's VOCM Open Line host Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
so much for tuning into the program. Friday, October the third,
This is open Line. I'm your host, Patty Daily. David
Williams producing a come on with an edition of the show.
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(00:46):
ninety VOCM, which is eighty six twenty six. So, as
you heard from Sarah Strickland, the matchups are set for
the Division Series championships in Major League Baseball and the
new part of the Toronto Blue Jays get the New
York Yankees. I see a lot of fans out there.
We're hoping to get the Yankees. Look, you gotta get
good pitching, and you've got to play good defense. But
this is going to be a series determined by the

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home run. I think, I really do think it. So
the Yankees hit more home runs than any team in
Majors two hundred and seventy four this past regular season.
The Blue Jays hit one hundred and ninety one. That's
good for thirteenth. But the big problem here is also
how many home runs the Blue Jays give up. So
the Jays gave up two hundred and five home runs
or two hundred and nine home runs. So unless we
see a reinvigorated Vladimir Guerrero Junior, I don't know, man.

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But anyway, the series kicks off tomorrow, Games one and
two in Toronto. I think it's five to thirty first
pitch here local time. Anyway. A couple of random baseball notes,
so another way to get on basewalk. The record was
set on this day, two thousand and one. San Francisco
Giants slugger Barry Bonds has walked for the one hundred
and seventy first time, breaking Babe Bruce record, which was
set back in nineteen twenty three. And for baseball fans

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who were old enough to remember, it certainly doesn't include
me today October the third. In nineteen fifty one, the
shot Heard round the world walk off home run by
New York Giants outfielder Bobby Thompson Brooklyn Dodgers pitcher Ralph Bronca.
They were fourteen games back going into the Pennant Race
and Bobby Thompson the shot heard round the world. All
right for curling fans. So the next wave of Briar

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tickets go on sale on October the ninth. There's an
early bird opportunity on October the seventh if you sign
up for Curling Canada's Collective. The first wave of tickets
that went out, they were sold out in less than
two weeks, so these are going to be hot commodity
if you want to attend the Montana's Brier, which of
course between the twenty seventh of February and the eighth
of March, and the first wave was forty two hundred
tickets gone on lesson two weeks, so this five hundred

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tickets are going to go quick. Three different packages available,
the Championship Weekend Package, the Opening weekend package, or a
weekday package. You have to go online or you go
right down to the Mary Brown Center box office during
regular business hours to buy your Brier tickets and of
course Brad Gushu and his final competitive season in the field. Okay,

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so when I saw this story yesterday, I thought, uh oh,
a memo from Newfland and Health Services talking about the
fact that the health authority is not going to be
offering discretionary vacation time from February to May next year.
Now they have since revoked or rescinded this, but the
ripples are real. Emails from healthcare workers over the course

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of the night, even after this had been revoked, were furious.
Number One, it seems to be way outside the collective
bargaining parameters, which is a problem, to say the very least.
And what we don't know if this revocation is going
to be permanent. So it was all in an effort
to train staff up to work on the new software
called core Care, all right, It also seems like an

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awful lot of time for training to take place, and
I'm sure people have to be trained on new software.
Another question I would have is number one, this is
a problem even though it has gone by the wayside.
Is this core Care initiative the aftermath of change Healthcare
that came in about five years ago to do this
kind of scheduling type of software with pretty lucrative contract
and huge penalties if the health services did not implement

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ninety to ninety five percent of the recommendation. So it's
gone away for now. But you know full well with
an already stressed out, burnt out staff, they if they
don't hear that this is a permanent relief from these
no discretionary holidays, then make the matters worse, to say
the least. Anyway, see what we can find out, all right,
So the different party leaders were asked yesterday on the

(04:23):
campaign trail about their thoughts on emergency women's shelters funding,
and they've all said it's a top priority and it
will indeed be done if when other party is successful.
It does beg the question as to why it's lagged
for all these years, And there's a couple of very
important points here. For starters, any funding has to keep
up with the pace of inflation. And also if the

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government negotiates directly with unionized members sees an increase in pay,
the funding for the shelters has to see an increase
in pay. So they've all committed to it. At this point.
But it shouldn't have never been this way in the
first place. We spoke with Lisa Slanny from Grace Sparks
House yesterday. They misspayroll twice. You know, it's just can't
be the case. In addition to that, we're talking about

(05:03):
funding for after women and children have to run for
their very lives. But what about the whole conversation about
just how prevalent intimate partner violence or domestic violence is
in this province. It's out of control. So I don't
know how we create some sort of approach when children
are in junior high and high school to talk about

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it openly and honestly, because you know full well some
of the children sitting in the classroom have experienced that
at their own home. In addition to that, you know,
there was pledges made by the government about expanding the
ankle bracelet program. So we're already using for folks who've
been released from prisons on temporary absences, but for folks
who are being charged with a domestic violence related crime.

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You know, the thought was, even before you are found guilty,
is that would put an ankle break bracelet on you.
That's not saying you're guilty before you get your day
in court. But what it's saying is based on history,
based on the evidence. The likelihood for violence to see
a serious uptick in severity is real. And for conditions
of bail in order to protection for some people are
willing to break them. They're not worth the paper the

(06:06):
printed on. So I'll throw that out there about the
mercy bracelets one more time. Okay, someone wanted me to
put this out there. And let's going to talk about
scams for a second. You heard James Kataganometery Lian Mackey
earlier talking about a scam that's making its way through
but this one, we've talked about it before, but it
becomes easy to fall prey to it. And that's if
you look at your caller ID and it comes up

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and says it's the CRTC calling for starters. The CRTC
is not going to call individual Canadians to talk about
an outstanding bill for their phone landline. So that's the
threat here, is that your phone's going to be cut
off in a couple of hours if you don't press
one Da da da, Folks, it's simply a scam. Don't
fall forth. The CRTC is not going to call individual
Canadians about their outstanding bills for anything, including your landline.

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So let's put that out there. And this one here
is a very very difficult conversation, but let's have it.
You've heard me talk about it in past, but we've
seen a dramatic uptick over the course of the last
few years, including here in Canada, about sex stortion. Sexual extortion.

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Eighty five percent of young people are being extorted in
this way because what they're done, they're online and they
get chatting back and forth with someone. Eventually the chat
leads to a request for a nude photograph, You send
it and then they blackmail you with it, hang it
over your head. Since twenty twenty one, there's been more
than forty suicides across North America, Australia and the UK
in the last four years linked directly to sextortion, five

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of them in Canada. So this is a huge problem.
What are the families being interviewed? Their twelve year old
boy took his own life over what the threat of
having the nudes circulated and twenty five dollars. So they
look at your friend's list, they see who's following X celebrities,
they target them directly. So anybody, even the most conscientious

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young person, could fall into this trap. So for statays
we have to talk to kids about this stuff, we
just do. The evil that's lurking around every digital corner
is just far too common and far too evil to
use that word one more time, So let's have that conversation.
In addition to that, you know what we talk about

(08:15):
body safety and the new program that thankfully is now
going to be in the province of Caterges six schools
is can we not talk about this stuff honestly in
school as well? I know it can be emotional and
jarring and traumatic, but any layer of protection that we
can put forward to ensure that our kids don't fall
into the hands of these evil doers. Apparently there's a
group called Yahoo Boys in Nigeria and they're responsible for

(08:37):
a lot of this stuff. Now, there has been an
arrest recently, you know, cooperation between the AIRCNP and other
law enforcement agencies around the world. In Nigeria, a couple
of thousand people have been arrested. Hopefully they're punished dramatically.
The response here in this country is to introduce more legislation,
including inside what are some problematic clauses and impacts of
the Online Harms Act. But I think we can all agree,

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regardless of your political stripe, is that more has to
be done on this particular front. Then for starters, the
Online Harms Act can indeed be a heavy handed approach,
and some of it can be problematic, But let's just
get down to the brass tax and agree that this
one is not political. This about protecting children. If you're
so inclined in that conversation, so have it with your kids.

(09:23):
It's not me telling you what to do. You'll do
as you see fit, all right. Plenty of reaction coming
in about public safety, understandably, so, so we hear the
parties talking about hiring more police officers, and when the
premier says that we don't necessarily need more primary crownd
prosecutors because of adding police because they make the community

(09:44):
feel safe, that's right. I do think there's an air
of public safety associated with police presidence, obviously, but it
stands to reason that to be more charges laid more
people in the system for an already overworked, over burned
ground prosecutor's office. So I had a couple of people
are siding with the premier saying, you know, we need
to just spend all this money for the sake of

(10:04):
the problem is even with the most recent pledge to
hire eighteen new Crown prosecutors over the course of three years,
so an average of sixty year. While we've added five,
while we've added four, five have resigned, so we're still
one short of where we were prior to that pledge.
It's a little bit too important to get it right
inside the world of criminal justice. In addition to that,

(10:24):
there's a piece of legislation going through Parliament. You know
what people refer to colloquially as jail not bail. Bail
reform is probably required. It would be nice if we
could have a pragmatic political conversation about bail reform as
opposed to the way it's currently being handled. But bail reform,
I think is probably certainly part of the conversation as well.
Of course, it is all right, a few more issues

(10:46):
that people will be concerned with in this election campaign,
just a couple of very specifics inside the world of
the Upper Churchill Memorandum of understanding. So up in lab West,
you know, the NDP candidate is accusing the other paries
of using the third transmission line into lab West as
some sort of bride. Look, glab West needs to expand
and to expand needs power, So I'll leave that one

(11:08):
out for your consideration. Also, and even with Senator Wells
talking about his concern and the need for an independent review,
what have you. I keep getting very similar emails about
why aren't we chasing artificial intelligence data centers which need
huge amount of power? Well firm starters. I mean, if
we just look at the possibility for mining expansion, which

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is need is going to happen, and it needs to happen,
the power used that of mine, and the number of
jobs created and the tax space expanded and the royalties
of the government. Far away is any economic benefit to
very few jobs, even in the construction phase and in
the ongoing operational maintenance phase at a data center Like
I'm not really sure why we all think, or so

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many people think, that's you know, the be all and
end all. It's fancy, it's sexy, it's new, But the
benefits I'm not so sure. But let's talk about a
couple of warnings put out by the so called Group
of Nine, very specific the New Fland Labrador Hydro CEO
has made inaccurate, contradictory public statements and the central thirty
three point eight billion dollar valuation, which is the underpinning

(12:15):
of the deal agreed. In so far as the underpinning goes,
this is all of course public taxpayers money, and some
of it being spent to advertise the merits of the MoU.
One more, the border proved selling forty percent of Gull Island,
North America's most valuable undeveloped hydro resource, without any independent valuation. Cflco,

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a debt free company owned sixty five point eight percent
of the people by the people of New Fland and
Labrador and currently with a one point two billion dollar
equity stake, would be sad. What's six point five billion
dollars a new debt okay? Look, whether it be for
the premiere and I think even better served is myself
and Dave will one more time, see if we can
get Jennifer Williams, the CEO at Hydro, to come on

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to speak to all of these concerns that have been
brought forward, whether it be from the Group or nine,
whether it be from Mike Wilson or others who have
been involved in their analysis of what is the upside,
the downside, the risk of the Upper Churchill Memorandum of
understanding going forward, and then people will talk about jobs.
A caller yesterday talked about all the work that will

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be done to develop goal will inevitably be done in
the planning stages, the engineering stages in the province of Quebec.
That's probably true. Construction jobs is going to be a
big one, whether we talk about Beden or or the
Upper Churchill or gall Island, or building for provincial fairies
here in the province, for the intro Provincial Ferry Service,
which was a pledged by the PCs as a result

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before I even mentioned one organization. You know, it used
to be pretty popular stuff and it's certainly very American
that people would covet endorsements and endorsements might carry a
lot of weight, you know, whether it be newspapers bringing
forward their endorsements or other media outlets bringing forward endorsements.
Inside the world newspapers the editorial staff endorsing one candidate

(14:05):
or another. But now, just yesterday Trades n L, representing
some fourteen thousand skilled trades people in the province have
endorsed Tony wakem in the Tories. Pretty sure the other
parties are also interested in jobs, but mister Wakem has
been a little bit more aggressive in talking about what
the Tories would do, whether it be inside the world
of Fairies and the Upper Churchill where they're talking about

(14:26):
at least seventy percent of the top sides work would
need to be done here for a deal and a
benefits agreement to be signed. It certainly doesn't jibe with
what Equinor has been saying. I'm not saying that mister
Fiander Trades NL or Tony Wakem are wrong with one
of those jobs, because jobs are great. Jobs are better
than royalties just flown to the provincial government offers. So
I guess the question would be for mister Wakem and

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not to let the cut out of the bag is
would he simply walk away from any potential deal to
see production at pata in ord if that's seventy percent
number was not satisfied, Pretty cut and dry question. I
assume we're going to get a chance to speak with
mister Wakem and all the leaders before we actually go
to the polls, even though many people have already voted.

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All right, what we don't hear a lot about from
either of the leaders. Necessarily there's been some peeps and
chirps and comments. But yet another mass die off on
the south coast Maui aquaculture. So this time, you know,
we talked about warming surface temperatures and the depletion of oxygen.
This one they're pointing directly at sea less, which is

(15:27):
naturally occurring, but of course much higher in concentration in
some of these fin fish open pen fish farm in operations.
So they say it's two separate farms, but practically is
really just one firm. So they say it's caused by
prolonged period of high surface water temperatures, no rainfall or
fresh water runoff into the fiords, no winds to drive
surface currents. It's not the result of one single event,

(15:51):
so says Maui. But this has been a bad year
for the industry insofar as diofscop. And we know, and
I've said many many times, people unders than the economic
implications and the jobs that have been created in certain communities,
which has been their savior. But why aren't we hearing
from any politicians on this one, you know, and asking
basic questions because the province is the regulator. Now we

(16:13):
know the Liberals have proven to be all in an aquaculture,
not because I say so, because they say so. But
things have changed, you know, warming water temperatures, that's not
going backwards. So where are we and where are the
companies because this must come with an extraordinary cost, even
if they have some insurance type of coverage at some point,
just like you and me, if you're going back to

(16:35):
the well to get insurance to cover your losses before long,
insurance becomes extraordinarily expensive. So yet another dive, and we
don't really hear much about it, which I'm surprised. You
know what else we're not here much about is what
was once a huge conversation was the proposals for onshore
wind green hydrogen ammonia for export to wherever. Notably we've

(16:59):
been talk about MoU with Germany on the other side
of the pond for the port of Rotterdam and otherwise
they don't have the offloading structure infrastructure in place. But
that used to be such a big conversation. And because
I suppose the potential for the green hydrogen market has
shrankd dramatically, you know, from the federal government four years

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ago said maybe about a twelve trillion dollar industry, now
maybe a two trillion dollar industry. And the inability front
of these proponents to secure a power purchase agreement with
anybody world energy. GH two said they would need a
minimum ten year PPA before they would proceed. Then they
went into Plan B, data centers and all the rest.
But haven't heard any politicians, nor have I heard much

(17:41):
from individual citizens or communities about what was once a
huge conversation. Last one before we get to you quickly
municipal elections in the rear view mayor except for in
town in the City of Saint John's Number one, congratulations
to every candidate that came forward, and certainly congratulations to
those who were successful and now will occupy seat in

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council chambers right around the province. So good Anya, And
we can certainly keep the conversation going with municipal candidates
here in the City of Saint John's because they are
not bankrolled by deep pockets and they need to get
their message out. Will include door knockers and signs and
flyers and casts of this program, because of course it's

(18:22):
not really the kind of money we're talking about when
we talk about provincial or federal politics promise last one.
Plenty of questions up along in Outawa about ethics and
blind trust, specifically the Prime Minister Marc Corny's blind trust.
So of course he knows what he owns, he would assume.
So the issue here is, of course the political potato

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that it has long been. The rules are governed by legislation,
so whether you think it's appropriate or not, and the
blind trust is what it needs to be for transparency
and accountability and for openness and for us to understand
how some political decisions may influence someone's personal wealth. The
trick here is what was once good enough for the

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conservatives in the blinde trust world is now all of
a sudden not how about this blinde trust seem pretty
ineffective to me? Certainly that the most efficient way. I'm
not suggesting anybody that runs for higher office needs to
divest of everything they own. No, but if you think
it's a bad thing, you think it needs to be improvement, improved,
Let's change the legislation, you know, let's take it out

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of the hands of the left and the right, the
liberals and the Tories, the ups and the downs. If
the legislation is not good enough for Canadians, and I've
suggested probably is not. Let's focus on changing the legislation.
I mean, they just can't get out of their own
way with trying to get a couple of sound bites
on the news or whatever the case may be. So
let's have a legislative approach to something that's to the

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benefit of liberal and conservative and dipper and independent, the
Rhino Party, Marijuana Party, Canada, Canadians, not just inside the
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That means you're in the queue to talk about whatever's

(20:12):
on your mind. Don't go away, Welcome back to the show.
Let's go Line number four. Steve, you're on the air. Hey,
good morning, doing great. How about you doing good, buddy?

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, I just wanted to talk about the m o U,
I guess, and from the demand side and the power
demand side. You know, I think they've got, you know,
a good figure of what I could produce on the
supploy so I would want to build on what you're
talking about in your preamble too on artificial intelligence, so
just the the electricity user, So I mean just for

(20:45):
for your listeners. There's a new application that came out
this week out sorrow Too was created by open Ali.
I'm not sure if you get a chance to see
that yet.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I've seen a new story. I haven't dabbled with it
yet though, but I just do that.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
So sorrow Too is essentially it's a video creator that
now includes audio, but it's AI and it creates video
based on text prompt And just to give you some
insight here, so you know, if I wanted to get
on that today and create just a two hour video,
you can do that in four K resolution on a
single GPU, which is a standard EH one hundred GPU

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for me personally to create that two hour video, there's
enough electricity to charge one hundred and fifty phones. Now,
on a medium sized stack were ten GPUs, you could
be looking at enough energy to power fifteen thousand phones.
And on a large GPU stack cluster where you got

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one hundred GPUs running in parallel, you'll be looking at
about one hundred and fifty thousand phones that could be chaired.
So that's just me as one single user creating a
two hour video. So you imagine the electricity demand just
to build on that. So today, right now you've alluded
to distant pass. Currently, the electricity demand for data centers

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about two percent of global energy by two thousand and thirty,
which is just around the corner. So that twenty twenty five,
that two percent, that's about four hundred and fifteen tarot
lots of power. By two thousand and thirty, which is
you know, four years away, that's going to double the
nine hundred and forty five teraro lots, so that'll be
four percent of global energy. And by two thousand and fifty,

(22:31):
Mackenzie Global Energy, they've got it estimated that we'll be
looking at about forty five hundred taro lots. So just
by twenty and fifty, the AI power demand is going
to be ten percent of global energy. So I just
want to toss those things out there because you know,
we you know, I think that you know, I hear

(22:51):
a lot of conversation about the supply side of how
much energy could be coming from Churchill and the power
of the renewable energy Labrador. But I want to make
sure that everybody has an understanding of what the demand
so it looked like because the demand so life is extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
It is and for me it's the bank for your book.
The cost benefit of analysis the amount of power for
what you actually get in return. I mean, just think
about a traditional data center that people would say be
familiar with ten years ago, consumption five ten megawatts somewhere
in that neighborhood for a just a modern mid size
to scale AI facility about one hundred megawatts, which translates

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to the ability to heat three hundred and fifty thousand homes.
There are AI centers being performed by the Zuckerbergs and
the Bezos of the world. We're talking about gigawatts for
one facility. So if you break it all down, if
you compare the amount of energy required to open a
new mind, to expand in mind, and what that means

(23:51):
for taxes and royalties and jobs, compare that to the
minimal upfront work to build one of these centers, and
then the very minimum ongoing operational maintenance work inside an
AI center, which inevitably is going to be, akin to
social media, a net negative for the world. I don't
know why people chase around AI. I mean to use
your numbers, We're going to be looking at four percent

(24:13):
of the energy consumed globally just for these things come on.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
That's by twenty thirty and ten percent by two thousand
and fifty.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Got me.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Well, you know I'm giving you examples of you know,
me using AI to make a personal video, and you
know there'll be a lot of that going on. Absolutely,
you know, listen, I've got an IT background, and I
understand the real world application of this thing. You know
what it has been and the opportunity moving forward. So
but you know, you're absolutely right. You know, you know

(24:42):
I walk around with AI glasses on the daily and
you know, if I you know, I don't need to
reach for my phone. I asked the question, I get
an answer through bone conduction on my glasses. You know,
it's it's it's easy, and you know, I'm an early
adopter of technology. But you know, in the future everybody
will be walking around with disability. The Meta two glasses

(25:05):
are being released now, and that's actually an upgrade from
the set that I use. It has a lens and
actual display augmented reality lens within the frame, so you know,
you won't assume you won't be using a phone. It'll
all be through you're through headset. Apple is canceled, I
know Apple yesterday that canceled their plan for releasing the Vision,

(25:28):
a smaller scale down vision of the version of the
Apple Vision, and they're going to be coming it with
a competitor or to the Meta raven as well. So
you know, you look at that and holograms, which is
just going to eat up data centers. I mean that's
the next thing that's coming. Yeah, just from the demand side,
it's going to be huge.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, and obviously you know way more about it than
I do. I mean, even some of the power required
one of these data centers AI driven data centers, I
mean some forty percent of the power is simply to
cool the equipment, not generating anything cool in the equipment inside.
And then what I think we both nudged up against,
what having said explicitly, is when we talk about electrification

(26:09):
of the country, because we know what that means, whether
we electrifying the offshore, electrifying more public buildings that are
currently being operated by coal or coke or some other
form of energy, what's that? What does that mean? Electric vehicles?
Whatever you own? Add to the conversation, what does that
mean for the grid? I mean the grid is already
strained to the max nationally, So you incorporate all the

(26:29):
things that are very informed. Caller Steve is added to
the pile this morning, and just the bare basics that
I've kind of glossed over over time. We're talking about
not only generational and demand side. We're talking about transmission,
which is extremely expensive, extremely so I think we're chasing something.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Go ahead, Yeah, absolutely in the northern I mean, you
think about it up north now. I mean, whether it's
Trying or Russia, Canada, everybody's trying to get on. Think
about the power requirement that's going to be required up there.
I don't even think thinking about that. And you know,
you know when you listen to the Larry Finks, you know,
the Nvidia, Taiwan Semiconductor, Intel, A m D, all of

(27:11):
the major players.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
In the chip space.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
You know, they say, you know semiconductor. You know, a
couple of years ago it was all about supply demand
issue on semiconductors. But they're very clear now the issue
is not with semi conductors. The issues with power and
they're very aware of that. So from the demand side,
Let's just make sure we've got a very clear understanding

(27:36):
of what that demand looks like.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, and yet people who should know better are constantly
out there speaking the praises of trying to attract these
data centers to where we live, I mean, as opposed
to something that is much more valuable in the long
term and short term construction jobs and all the rest
of that goes with it. Chasing that is, because it's new,
it's glossy, it's sexy. All the cool dudes, all the

(27:59):
cool guys, and the BIGU this word are chasing it.
Then all of a sudden we all think it's a
good thing, when Steve has clearly articulated how it's a
very very time consuming, cost consuming, probably net negative thing
in the long run. Could be on Steve, Thanks buddy,
all right, I mean, Steve obviously an excellent call, knows

(28:20):
exactly what he's talked about. So imagine just one of
the mid size, middle scale AI data centers consumes enough
power to power up three hundred and fifty thousand homes.
Why so we can make videos on our phone? Why
so we can pop into a large language model chat GPT,

(28:42):
something that spits out the essay that I didn't do
on my own accord, but it's due tomorrow at school, right.
You know, even in the world of the deep fakes
look for statays, it's already extremely difficult to know what
you're looking at, if it's real or not, deep fake
or not. Social media companies they don't care. I mean,
they should be obliged by law to tag anything that's

(29:02):
created by artificial intelligence, especially deep fake video, be reflected
as such. A real big tag honest is generated by AI.
So at least we have a fighting chance to know
if we're looking at something that's real or it's completely bogus.
Let's take a break, don't go away, Welcome back to
the show. Let's go letting Number one, Ralph, you're on

(29:24):
the air morning, Patty.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Ralph Strickland calling from Saint Bride's. I got good news.
We got a new mayor, Glenn Lake, and a new
council as of last night. But my comment is to
this guy David, he had a thing on about me
there a week ago or so and about he knew
all my personal information that and the only place he

(29:47):
could get that was from the Council of Saint Bride's
about I ran for when I ran against the mayor,
and how many boats I had, where I lived in everything.
But I'm not mad at him because it helped to
persuade some people in Saint Brice about the opposite way.
So he didn't help the outgoing mayor. He hoped the
one the job. And I'd like to say thank you,

(30:09):
thank him for doing this. And uh, he said he's
an engineer. He was out here and he has been
forty years friends with the mayor and the secretary. So
one of them had to give him my personal information.
And uh, he must have he must have got something
really good out of that. He said he was driving

(30:30):
down ken Mount Road and he heard me on there,
so he pulled into the Avelan mall and he wrote
down all this stuff and then and called me out
on it. But I think the outgoing mayor should contact
him because he didn't help his case at all. People
phoned me after and told me about what was going on.
They says, a guy from an engineer from Saint John's

(30:52):
to know your information, how many votes you got and
and and where you live and everything that shouldn't been
given out to and engineer, but isn't that.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Just public information, like all the election results will be posted.
People will know exactly how many votes one candidate or
another guy last night, and find out where people live.
Is pretty easy pickings too. So why do you think
it had to be spoon fed to him by an
official at the time of brigis that's.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
Who knows st Bride? Yeah? No, because what he said,
he said, you lived in Ontario and you come home
and ran for mayor's job and you didn't get it.
You only had forty six votes. Now who else would
know that?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I don't know. But look, for instance, if I just
go to elections NL and or go to try to
find the results of the elections right across the problems,
I can find out who got how many votes yesterday?

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Yeah, but why would he his reason be to contact
me about that try to help the mayor, Because that's
the only reason I see that why he done it.
It wasn't too you know, to It wasn't because he
was a friend with me in order to, you know, say,
well you only got forty six votes. Well I have
to tell him one thing. We got a new mayor

(32:08):
and he didn't do much better than I did. And
I was only a here home and he's been here
all his life. So thank you very much and you
have a good.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Day, Patty, you too, Ralph, just a quick question, what
do you think changes with a change at the.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
Top, Hey, Saint Brice is going to be brought back
on the map where it should have been. We're we're like,
we have you know, the stuff that's going on here.
They have all kinds of money in the bank, they're saying,
but nothing has been done like and so I hope
with the new council now that's going in, we'll get on,

(32:43):
you know, get on the ball and get things down here.
We need. There's a lot of a lot of service
we need, like clean water, you know, I mean so,
And still with the issue with the rtsan wells, here's
winter coming and we still got no water because we
don't know. They haven't updated us at all on what's
going on with the We have nothing. The only letter
we got was from the existing mayor telling us that,

(33:06):
you know, all all the stuff he'd done and we
had lots of money in the bank and all that.
That don't help our issue. We're still a year I'll
be carrying water for another year now and and you know.
And I've been at this going on six years, fighting
for clean water and we're still doing it. And and
now they got our teas and wells that are not working.
They don't even know if they're going to work because

(33:28):
they put them on a down downgrade instead of up yell.
They got to pump the stuff to a holding tank
somewhere up the road, like and it's all high elevation,
so like, I don't know who whose brain went and
found those artisan wells. But and I think David said
he was the engineer, so he should be proud.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
And I don't know who David is.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
No one else knows much about him, but he knew
a lot about Saint Bride's. He said he spent forty
years out here, but friends with the mayor and the secretary.
So I guess he's well known out here, but no
one knows who he is.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, that real name, including me, I have no idea
who he is. Ralph. I appreciate the time, Thank you, thank.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
You very much.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
You're welcome. Bye bye, all right, skip problem. Let's go.
Line number two is take you one to one of
the large candidates running here in the city, Saint John's
Walter Hiding Walter, you're on the air.

Speaker 7 (34:22):
Thank you so much, Patty for your tony invicency. Appreciate it.
I'm going to mention one little thing if you don't mind,
before I get to my quick little topic. I won't
be long. I wanted to send a thank you to
the Christine Carter and Teresa Walsh at the City of
Saint John's in the elections division. I think, in very
trying situations and a very unique election, I think they've

(34:42):
done a fantastic job in getting things out back on
the straight and narrow kind of thing when it went sideway.
So as a candidate and as a voter, I found
it very easy to vote since a little bit of
the snag that so I just want to see perfectly
that I think that they've done a wonderful service for
the city.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Fair enough, and you'd know more about it than me.
I mean, it's easy to complain about, you know, voting
stations or pulling stations being moved, but of course it
gets complicated when the day changes. Not every place that
was once a polling station is able to be a
puling station on a different day. So the snags with
kinda puffs and all the rest of it. I'm just
glad it wasn't my job to try to navigate it.

Speaker 7 (35:20):
Question about me too, I'll be very quick, Patty just
I wanted.

Speaker 8 (35:24):
To let the residents of the city know and business
owners in the city know that while the councilor position
is considered a part time position, as I've said before,
I will be doing it fulfilling my duties on a
full time basis seven days a week. Actually that's anybody
who knows me, they'll say, yes, he will be there
for seven days a week. We have a lot of
issues to deal with, a lot of big ticket issues

(35:46):
in the city. I mean I could mention ten and
then someone would say, yeah, you forget about these ten
and those ten so at the same time.

Speaker 7 (35:54):
A perfect example would be Sunday. Sunday, I got five
emails and phone calls from residents with what they said
in the beginning of their emails, and they pretty much
started the same way. It was, well, they're sorry to
bother you on a Sunday, but and their issue was
various issues. And my response to them was the same
to everybody, Please don't ever apologize for contacting me about anything,

(36:15):
because if it drives you to send an email or
a phone call or a message on social media. Whatever
is on your mind, that is taking space in your
brain that you want to talk about or get solved,
it will never be considered. There is no situation where
I will ever say that's a small situation. Anything that
bothers people, anything that keeps them up. This is what

(36:35):
a municipal politician is supposed to be like, solving issues
that some people might say are minor and well, some
people might say, you know, it's a thankless job, Welter,
I'm not looking for thanks. I will never look for thanks.
And I'm so proud to be a candidate.

Speaker 9 (36:51):
And if by tense, I am fortunate enough to have.

Speaker 7 (36:54):
This amazing responsibility on the eighth of October, being one
of the eleven people in the city get to head
their hand on the steering wheel, regardless of whether I
get elected or not. Everybody, please and know that I'm
here to help you in any way. I've always been
I've never disappeared after an election. And I don't mean
to bring you into this, Patty, but I know that
you help so many people, and so many emails come in,

(37:15):
and you know there's no there's no thanks for it.
It's just you want to do it because you help,
and that's just the way I am. So I just
wanted to send out the quick message off I do
have the time in my life to do the job
because there is a lot that we have to get
right in the city, and we look at it right
because we have to get it right. And there's just
a message I wanted to today and.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
I'm glad you did. Wealf for I appreciate your time,
have a nice weekend and good luck.

Speaker 7 (37:38):
Thank you so much for all the best of it
you too.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Bye by Wes running at large hair in town. Let's
take a break, don't go away, welcome back to the show.
Let's go to line number six.

Speaker 10 (37:47):
Jerry or on the air, Hey, Patty, Hey, I was
calling this morning. I'd like to call on the three leaders,
mister Wake, mister Hog and mister Dinn to make changes
to the Newfoundland Disability Benefits. It's a new benefit for
disabled people who's introduced back in July, but it doesn't

(38:09):
go fair enough. There are two changes, two significant changes
that have to be made to that benefit, and the
first one is to extend the age it cuts off
at age sixty five.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah, that actually cuts off at sixty four.

Speaker 11 (38:25):
Yes, I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, eighteen to sixty four. And the argument that I've
heard made there is that that's when other you know,
obviously you can qualify for your pension prior to being
sixty five years of age, but then you get into
that whole world of the mythical clawback, so that that's there.
What they make there is you get it in one hand,
they take it from the other.

Speaker 7 (38:43):
Well, this is the.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Miss Jerry. This is an important conversation. Uh, David, anything
on our end here? Jerry? Are you still there? Dave?
Can you pick up the phone and say hello to
Jerry and see what we can get goinger, Because the
disability tax credit is a big conversation here. I mean

(39:06):
right across the country. There are people who actually qualify
for the disability tax credit that probably haven't gone down
that path of speaking with And there's a variety of
healthcare professionals that you can't speak with. Just just while
Dave tries to get us re engaged here with Jerry.
So for starters, if you have a marked restriction, are

(39:27):
undergoing life sustaining therapy, and what a market restriction means
is that it dominates the book of your day walking issues,
mental functions, feeding yourself, dressing yourself, hearing, speaking, vision and
other life sustaining therapies. If you have any of those,
then you may indeed qualify for the tax credit, which
is the starting point for any of the disability benefits,

(39:49):
and or for any of the ability to save in
the Disability Retirement Savings Plan, which is also pretty new
here in this province. So that is a conversation that
I think more and more Canadians should open up their
ears too, because you might indeed qualify and haven't gone
down that path, and you cannot get any of the
new flamp benefits without first getting the federal tax credit.

(40:09):
Disability tax credit everything flows from it. Once you have it,
your automatically role in all the provincial benefits, which is
four hundred dollars a month. The federal benefit is another
two hundred dollars a month, so six hundred bucks a month.
The savings plan is also pretty good, but I don't
want to steal Jerry's thunder here. The starting point of
the age restrictions is an interesting conversation. Your only eligible

(40:30):
between the ages of eighteen and sixty four. And as
I said to Jerry, and I'm not sure if you
heard that part, is that's where they talk about the
potential for it's a compromise your eligibility for all age
security and for guaranteed income supplement. So maybe if you
just backed it out and had that a stand alone
benefit that was not subject to impeding any of the

(40:51):
financial eligibility thresholds, that's a conversation that I guess we
could absolutely and should have. All Right, let's see you
get Jerry back, because I like to extend that conversation.
Let's go line our five Sycamore County Pike with miles
for Smiles County around the air.

Speaker 12 (41:04):
Oh, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 9 (41:05):
How's it going today?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
That's about I suppose, how about you?

Speaker 12 (41:08):
Good good, Patty. I wanted to pass along the numbers
for September on the number of crime skins children in
our ten provincial courts. My original number had to be
changed because of the situation in twilling Gate that I'll

(41:29):
just expound on in a moment. But the total for
September are three hundred and thirty five cases with sixty
five people charged. And the reason I had to adjust
the numbers and update them. Was because the RCMP and
twilling Gate had arrested seventy six year old teacher the

(41:55):
middle of September and he was charged with fifteen counts
and they dated back that. This is what's really concerning
to me as a person. I guess who can judge
the pattern? This dates back fifty five years. His first

(42:16):
charge was in nineteen or they went back and charged
him for an incident in nineteen seventy and the latest
incident was May twenty twenty five, and there are fifteen
charges over that fifty five year period. But Patty, I
can assure you I'd be shocked actually if that number

(42:37):
doesn't go much much higher, because normally when we have
situations like this, once the word comes out, no one
wants to be first come forward. But when someone does,
it's kind of like taking your finger from a dike.
So I won't be shocked if that ripples through further

(42:58):
in the community, involves more people and there are more charges.
So anyway, for now, it's fifteen counts. I wanted to
touch again. We had mentioned on our last call I
believe we talked about the statistics on crimes against women

(43:19):
and then by default their children, whether they're in the
crossfire or whether they're intentionally and physically abused in that
scenario and pets that kind of thing, and so we
you know, oftentimes we don't really get a fair assessment

(43:41):
of the numbers. As scary as they are, there are
other children who are at least witnessing this and living
in dysfunctional environments, and in all likelihood, you know, there's
some kind of abusive behavior going on towards the children,
whether it's just them witnessing and like I said, getting

(44:05):
caught or being abused themselves, being told not to tell
a lot of cases like that. And I guess what
I'd like to emphasize is that these victims, whether they're
purposeful or accidental victims of child abuse, they grow to

(44:31):
adults who generally have a lot of issues. And I
guess that's part of the ongoing battle, you know, to
get people to understand about all these connections, about connecting
the dots. I always refer to it as connecting the
dots because you and I have talked a lot of

(44:53):
times about the upriver effect where we're losing these people
and then we're fishing them out of ever a downriver
when it's often a lot harder to get help for them,
if they have mental health issues, addictions, they're traumatized, PSD,
all of those things. So then our work becomes compounded,

(45:18):
and I'd just like to see more prevention work. I
really want to see more proactive attitudes and work towards
ending violence. That's our goal goal. And when we think
about this proactive work, Patty, there is no government department

(45:41):
that is responsible or has as part of its mandate
the prevention of violence against people. And I think that
should be disturbing to our politicians. I think that should
be rectified by them. I know, the last time someone
came to my door looking for my boat, I asked

(46:04):
them what their stance was on violence against women and
children and other people. And this person looked at me
like I had ten heads. They had no answer ready
for that, and I guess I should have been asking
about bridges or roads or whatever. And the infrastructure, yes,
is important, but I think our people should be considered

(46:26):
a little more important. I think the whole issue should
be prioritized. And it's upsetting to me for decades now
that it's not rectified. And I can tell you there
are people who say to me, honey, you know, why
do you keep doing this? I mean, I don't have

(46:47):
to do it, but and it's difficult to sit down,
and it's not an easy task to sit down and
be so discouraged when you're counting these numbers.

Speaker 11 (46:57):
But the.

Speaker 12 (47:00):
Mission, I guess, of reducing the crime in the community
is what keeps this effort going, because you know, if
I wasn't phoning in and reporting these numbers, nobody would, Patty,
and then it would be even more of a hidden crime.
So I just you know, I had a meeting yesterday
with a couple of people from a community who do

(47:22):
similar work, and it wasn't encouraging. I can tell you
that it was not encouraging. They were telling me about
and I won't name the group. I don't want to
put anybody on the spot. They're government funded. So I
was just so discouraged when they told me that nothing's

(47:43):
really changed, and that should be upsetting to every new
Foundlander and Laboratorian who gives a darn about children and
vulnerable people in our province.

Speaker 7 (47:55):
Patty.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah, and there's no simple answer to that very complicated question.
But you know, it's things like good start body safety
program in school, espentially the ankle bracelet, monitory bail reform.
You know, make it part of the actual curriculum, not
just about what to be you know, what to be
aware of those types of things, actually say it in
real terms. Just like we're trying to encourage pragmatic conversations

(48:16):
about things like death by suicide. It's not are you
okay and yeah, I'm okay, okay in the conversation. So
those few things off the top of my head would
start playing a role. I'll add this too, because I
am late for the news. You've only talking about things
that appear in the court pocket in this province, So
that's people in our own backyard, these predators. I brought
up the conversation of the spike, dramatic spike in the

(48:37):
number of sex stortion cases that doesn't even make the
radar on the provincial court pockets, and that number has
been growing year over year to the point where that's
out of our jurisdiction, cooperation with the Nigerians and all
the rest of it. But those kids are being abused,
not how it might appear on the court tacket here
in this province, but they are being abused, make no mistake,
and it's led to the trauma that it now includes

(48:59):
at least five side in this country directly todd to sextortion,
rackets and scams and the evil perpetrated online. So that
doesn't even get added into the numbers that you share
with us, Connie, and I think that's part of the
conversation and also part of the conversation that we need
to have with our kids at home man at school.
I'll give you thirty seconds before I get to the
news because I'm really dated. Unfortunately.

Speaker 12 (49:19):
Well, I really appreciate those comments, and we're grateful our
group started in twenty eighteen, led by Bev Moore Davis,
to bring the body Safety program to New Plam. We
were way behind the rest of the country. They all
had it and we didn't, and so I'm really grateful
that that started this year. And the only thing I'll add, Patty,
is about internet crimes, And you're right about the sex stortion,

(49:42):
but internet crimes have increased exponentially since COVID happened. You know,
the women and children who were isolated, the numbers went up,
the number of people seeking help, it shelters like that
COVID played so much of the role that increased isolation

(50:02):
in accelerating the numbers all around. We haven't even gotten
a handle on that. I don't even I think we're
just skimming the surface. I think this is just scratching
the surface the numbers that I give you and what's
going on now, especially in terms of Internet crimes against children.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
I appreciate the time, Connie, thank you.

Speaker 12 (50:23):
Thank you. I appreciate it too.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Take care, bye bye. All right, let's get the news.
Let me go back. Still a ton of time left
for you. Don't go away. Welcome back. Let's go to line
number one. Joel here on the air.

Speaker 9 (50:37):
Yes, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Good morning to you. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 9 (50:42):
Yes, you stay pardon me, sorry, go ahead, you stay out?

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yeah, lovely, Yeah, Patty.

Speaker 9 (50:50):
You don't know when the pull up. I'm a FURGI
be over.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
No, I don't. I got a funny feeling it's going
to require being legislated back to work, which is not
going to sit very well with them. But no end
in sight as far as I can tell. No, I
think there's an opportunity to go to the post office
with two pieces of ID to get things like your
GST check. Now, things like income support and whatnot, they're

(51:16):
going to be delivered, but the GST check, I've been
trying to figure that out, but I don't think they're
going to send it out automatically. But I think you
can go collect it.

Speaker 9 (51:24):
Yeah, yeah, whatever air right because the banks today, right?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't get one,
but yeah, I think today is the day. But if
I was you, I would call my local post office
and say to them, if I bring two pieces ID,
can I pick up my GST check? How about that?
What's going on here with the phones? Dave Joel? Are

(51:54):
you still there? Because it's still engaged on my screen.
I don't know it's going to anyway. Let's keep going
and say good More to the founding chair of the
Food Producer's Form Online number two. That's Dan Reuben. Dan,
you're on the air.

Speaker 10 (52:07):
Hey, Patty.

Speaker 11 (52:07):
Always good to talk to you, And as usual, I
have a bit of a tale to tell and then
I'd love to get your wisdom focused on this. This
is an election issue and what I'm talking about, as
always is food. And I have to tell you I've
become really bored with the term food security. It's like
a smoke screen that hides what's really going on. So

(52:30):
these days mostly what I talk about is food supply,
and as you know, our group, our nonprofit group, has
been working.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
On same thing. Please, Dan, are you still there? All right?
So if anyone working in the engineering department is listening
to the program at the moment, can you just scoot
into the booth and say hello to David so we
can see what's going on here with the telephone. All right,
Hopefully we'll get Jerry back on to talk about the

(52:59):
issue regarding disability tax credit disability benefits both from the
province and the federal government. There is a threshold for eligibility,
but there's also what they refer to as working exemption.
So this is a little bit tricky for some. The
federal government says that you can have a working exemption
of fourteen thousand dollars to qualify for the benefit. The
problem is is that for you to receive the full

(53:21):
two hundred bucks, you have to be inside of that threshold.
So again, it's fine to bring these forward and this
is I'm doing this on behalf of this one. Lady,
send me an email. However, the provincial government does not
have this exemption. Therefore, my family net income doesn't fall
within the thresholds, and I received forty one dollars of
the possible four hundred. Fair point, you have to be
under that low income threshold to qualify for the entirety

(53:45):
of the maximum of four hundred dollars. That's absolutely true,
and part of the conversation that if and when we
can get Jerry back on the line, that we will
add to it just so people know exactly what's going on.
And again, I'll just walk through these couple of things again,
you don't you know, people say, well, I don't have
a doctor, so how can I get qualified for it?

(54:05):
There are different healthcare professions that can indeed be part
of this, Like if you're concerns with mental functions, you
can get that from a psychologists or a psychiatrist. If
it's things like hearing and ideologists, it was things like speaking,
a speech therapist. If it's things like vision, it could
be an ophthalmologist. So you don't have to have a
specific family doctor to sign off on your application for

(54:26):
eligibility to qualify for the Federal Disability Tax Credit, which
is where it all starts, so go down that path
and again don't talk yourself out of it because you
might not have a family doctor, because there are other
professionals that can indeed be part of signing off on
your application. Let's see what'shaken on the Twitter box or
Rio sim opolon you know what to do. You can
follow us there. Email address is open onuposm dot com.

(54:50):
A couple of questions coming in about the sex stortion
and how federal legislation might be able to address it.
It's a fair question because unless it happens within the
confines of Canadian federal jurisdiction, it becomes ultra important that
we have cooperation with other countries and their law enforcement
and international law enforcement bodies before we see things like

(55:11):
some two thousand rest made in Nigeria. In addition to that,
when I may comment that, you know, maybe not just
the conversation at home, but the conversation at school, you know,
it might even be of comfort to a child who
might be live in that circumstance right this very moment,
to have a discussed in school and for it to
be a difficult conversation, of course, is a difficult conversation,

(55:33):
but it's probably better to have it than to avoid it.
And the next thing, you know, those number of suicides
aren't five, they're ten. It happens so quickly, and you
can be a good, conscientious kid and all of a
sudden make a bad decision at a mistake that may
indeed haunt you. So I mean, even if the encouragement
is with our own children. And again there's no parenting handbook,

(55:56):
No one's certainly not my perspective being able to tell
you what to do with your own kids. But even
if we encourage our kids that if you make this mistake,
if you tell me, that will do away with a
ton of the shame and at a ton of the
pressure to continue to deal with these scammers, these evildoers online.
So to make it a bit available to come clean,

(56:18):
tell us the truth, let's talk about it, let's deal
with it, even if it is paying some of the
twenty five dollars, which was the case that costs this
one young twelve year old the thought process, this suicidal
ideation to Endy's life by suicide. So again, most conversations
that are the trickiest ones, the most emotional and traumatic
to navigate, are generally speaking the most important ones to have.

(56:41):
Let's see if we can go ahead and take a break,
we'll make it back hopefully we're speaking with you. Don't
go away, Welcome back. Let's go to lne Umber one.
Take it one to the PC candidate run for a
reelection out in Taranova. That's Lloyd Parrot and we're Lloyd.
You're on the air.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
How that's kind how about.

Speaker 9 (56:55):
You, good buddy.

Speaker 13 (56:57):
Beautiful day out there.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
So it is kind of wait to get out in it.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
Yeah, I'm just calling you and I have had this
discussion and I brought it up in the House Assembly
several times over the last eighteen months. It's got to
do with healthcare situation, well directly here at TV Cross
and Clarabo, but indirectly the effects you know, Saint John's
in the metro area and perhaps all in his land,
and it's the failure for government to get internal medicine

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specialists here and so back in June of twenty twenty four,
when then Minister Hogan was the Minister of Health, there
was a lot of dialogue between him and I with
regards to the three internal medicine specialists that were resigning here.
There was never any thing made of it or anything
done about it. They were given lots of time and

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time to prep they were warned what was going to
happen if things weren't addressed with the way locals were
being paid in other places and how things were happening,
and there was nothing done. So a full disclosure, I mean,
there was an open dialogue and he responded to me,
but he knew it was coming, and I'm unfortunately when
September came and two of them left. And the sad
part is is that they were poached and that's the

(58:06):
right word by Saint John's. So two doctors working in
rural Newfoundland and Eastern health recruited their own doctors to
come and worked in Saint John's. And at the end
of it, then they say that they've added more doctors,
when the reality is it's just addition by subtraction. So
rural healthcare falls down and Saint John's gets the specialist,
and so it was a big deal for me. And

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then we watched certainly not just the internal medicine specialist,
but we had a womb care specialist. Her job was
made redundant. There was a bunch of things that happened
here at tv CROSS which were avoidable, and it was decisions.
It wasn't because people weren't happy or they were leaving.
It was because government and MLHS made wrong decisions and

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they had situations they could have fixed and they decided
not to. So most recently, the last internal medicine specialists lost.
He's left and he's got a private clinic open up here.
So right now Inclarirable, there's no way to get a
Halter monitor, there's no way to get a stress test done.
All of the cardiovasculars things associated with heart disease, which

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we know is huge, are gone from our area. And
on top of that, because he left, the young lady
that was here doing this I'm trying to think it
a proper term now she is a cardiobascular technologist I
believe is the right term. She's left. So last June
we started sending emails to Minister Howell. At the time,

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Crystaline Howe and the Premier both would get it simultaneously,
and the ask was if this internal medicine specialist could
carry out these tests in his private clinic, because he
happens to have a private clinic here and there's been
no response. It's been months and months and months. There's
been fourteen letters sent from family physicians here in the

(59:57):
local area. There's nobody f from NLHS has told me
that they're going to bring people up from Beran to
do with people from Burn aren't coming here. They refuse
to do it. So right now there's a huge backlog,
but there's a solution and government not only has not
made a decision. Krystalline Howell never respond to one email.
And when I say multiple emails, Patty, I would say

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fourteen or fifteen emails leading up until it's from me,
not just from these doctors, but leading up. And this is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Hopefully mister part can get back on very quickly, and
not to take away from his concern because obviously valid
representing the people he does out in the voting district
of terro Nova. When talking about internal medicine specialists, remember
it's just this summer that there was five internal medicine
specialists at Saint Clair's that offered a mass resignation. Why

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there was a bunch of things regarding the workplace environment
and a bunch of infrastructure related matters, and then the
loss of the medical residency program at Saint Clair's, so
basically put in compromise things like the called blue team.
So how all that gets rectified is an excellent question.
And so just to bolster mister Parrott's point, and this

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is not saying well it's bad in town too, but
the fact of the matter is the system is struggling
with specialists. I mean, all five at Saint Clair's put
in a joint resignation back in I think it was
the end of June sometime, So yes, when we talked
about the need for a workplace plan, a workforce plan,
and the worklow because remember at that time when the
Saint clair specialist said they are all walking away, the

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health sciences and their Saphir kicks say, we can't take
on the fallout here, We're already maxed out. So let's
see if we got mister Parrett rejoined online one Lloyds're
back on the air.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Hey, Patty, I'm not sure where I got cut off.
Can you remind me there?

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Yeah, you were talking about The last thing I remember
is healthcare professionals from another part of the province that
would not be coming to your community. And I think
the last one there was a private clinic offering and
no response from the Minister after fourteen emails.

Speaker 6 (01:02:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Yeah, So what I'm saying about the private clinic is
this isn't somebody looking to privatize healthcare either. This is
an individual. Their scope of practice says they have to
have permission in order to carry out this work. And
it's an interesting point that you brought up about the
specialists in Saint John's. They resigned because they're overworked. They're
overworked because government is overlooking rural Newfouland and Labrador. Now

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I can go into Saint John's and I can go
to a private clinic and have a stress test done
in there. There's several doctors, including one of the internal
medicine specialists that left g V Cross, so we're speaking
in facts there. One of them are carrying out all
of this testing in Saint John's, but the Minister and
the Premier have refused to allow this doctor to carry

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it out in rural Newfouland. So once again we're seeing
separation services between rural Newfoundland and urban Newfoudland. And the
Minister has the ability to rectify it, to show in
the list to make sure that Cardiact patients don't have
to drive out over a highway or get in an ambulance,
all things that are not only good for the individual,
but save money and save stress on the system in

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Saint John's and they never acted, and they've refused to act.
They haven't even responded, which is worse. So you know,
when you're talking about fourteen physicians writing letters urging government
to allow this, and you're talking about other specialists in
the province resigning because they're overworked, because they're picking up
the workload. And now taking consideration that this is Cardiact patients,

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I mean, we know what happens if someone has a
massive heart attack. They don't stand a chance right now
at GiB Cross, if you have a massive heart attack,
you're diverted. They can't even take you. We don't have
internal medicine specialists there. And I get the fact that
it's hard to recruit, but this has been an eighteen
month process in which this premier who says he's going
to fix everything, was well aware we had multiple conversations

(01:03:58):
about it. Health Minister hasn't even responded to an email,
not from the positions and not from the mat that
sits here. Well, there's a bigger problem here, and the
bigger problem is that we got to ship and not
only do we not have a skipper, but we don't
have a runner. And at some point they need to
take some responsibility for this. We can fix this issue tomorrow.

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All they got to do is on a piece of paper,
given this doctor the ability to carry out these tests.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Yeah, a couple of things like, obviously if the doctor's
qualified experience, has the equipment and the tools to do it,
then we should allow that person to do it. Why not?
I mean we talked about we talked about scope of
practice all the time. Yeah, just what abouts this off
you as a member for a more rural voting district.
You know, we've heard from your leader about incentives to
recruit to the hard to fill positions, whether be Labrador

(01:04:44):
Great or the Peninsula. And by the sounds of it
in your area, is it more pragmatic in the big
scheme of things to you know, offer approvals for that
private clinic to do that particular diagnostic or that particular test,
and expand local programs, you know, whether be for nurse practitioners, doctors,
register nurse whatever the case may be. Because we've seen

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incentives fall flat and So if we're going to just
pretend we're going to spin the wheel again our re
offer incentives all of a sudden things are a hockey
in rural Canada, then the evidence is pretty clear that
it hasn't worked. So are we talking locomes and I mean,
I know people living outside the overpassers saying, well, you
shut up, we deserve you do deserve No one's not
suggesting you don't deserve it. It's the reality of whether

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or not we can make it happen.

Speaker 13 (01:05:30):
Patty.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
I worked as a recruiting officer for the military, and
we could recruit doctors to go into the worst places
in the world. And when you look at that situation,
then obviously we can fix things in healthcare. That's the
first thing I would say. The next thing I would
say is that disc liberal government brags about the lenses
that they put on everything. They put a lens on
everything they do. When it comes to legislation, apparently I

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would argue they don't. I would argue they don't when
it comes to wage parody, you know, a whole bunch
of other things. But the reality of it is is
there's a huge difference between rural and urban Newfland, and
we ought to put a lens on rural new Land
and understand that it takes different things. The reason physicians
don't come to rural new Land is because they're paid different.

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And the argument is is that doctors in Saint John's
are perhaps busier order around it. They around a combined
SAT plus salary plus fee for service, and they make
more and so on and so forth. But the difference
is is if you're an internal medicine specialist at gb
Cross and you're one of and there's some kind of
an emergency that comes in through the door, then your
practice is a little different than what happens in Saint
John's where you have all of the supports. So you know,

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you look at what we do in rural Canada and
there's northern allowance and different things out there. Perhaps we
need to look at ways to recruit doctors and get
them to stay here. And the other thing I will say,
and this is from experience. I've got plenty of friends
that are physicians, is when we're recruiting doctors from away,
and whether that is Ontario or Israel or the United States,

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people are generally when they're finished med school, they're generally
in some kind of relationship, and they're generally married to
another professional. And we go out and we recruit an
individual who's coming from the Middle East. I'll use that
as the best example, because I've had it said to
me to come work in an emergency room with New
Foe Land and when they get here, they're coming from
a place where they're dealing with land mines and bullets,
and they're working in an er that's a hostile environment,

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and they're coming here and they're treating people who are sick.
But they're at the er because they don't have a
family doctor. And the job they thought they were coming
to first off, isn't the job they come to. And secondly,
they're married to a professional who comes to a part
of the province where they can't get work. Yeah, and
therefore we can't retain them. So we need to look

(01:07:39):
at the whole picture when we're doing this. We need
to understand what the family unit looks like and make
sure they fit in those areas. There's plenty of people
who want to come to New Plant and we're real
new Plant of work, but it has to work for
their families too, and that has to be a part
of the approach.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Yeah, I mean, we're not necessarily looking for a specific
trauma specialists to work out an ER in this province,
because you're right, people go with things that don't necessarily
belong in the er, even though there will be trauma
related cases obviously coming in the door. Last couple of
comments for me, then it's the fast tracking credentials. If
you went to an accredited medical school that's recognized by
the Royal Canadian College of Physicians, let's put it on

(01:08:15):
a list. If you come here from that school, provide
all the paperwork and accreditations. Let's put you on the floor.
Let's get you to work. I mean we're doing it
for other healthcare pros and other parts of the country. Secondly,
let's not pretend that we need provincial jurisdiction barriers about accreditation.
If you're qualified to work in an ER or an
alladative care clinic in Burnaby, PC, you should be able

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to do the exact same thing in Saint John's, Newfouland,
or in Clarenville or wherever anywhere in this country. I
don't know why we allow that to go on. The
territorial pissing is not helping matters on the ground for
the patients, and the patients are my primary concern. So
those couple of things I will just add to the
last one. You talk about cardiology and what have you.

(01:08:55):
For the life of me, I do not know why
there wasn't a big push when we built a new
hospital Cornerbook to have a cat lab a die lab there.
Instead of fighting about diagnostic imaging and PET skins and
CT scans and the like. We got people line of
beds in hospitals right around the province waiting for a
die test and the only one only place you can
get it is in town. Why. I know it's a

(01:09:16):
staffing issue, just like everything else in healthcare. But those
are my final thoughts. I'll give you the floor before
a second. Bye.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
Yeah, Patty, you're writing what you say, and we're failing
right across the board. This current government has a plan
where they think that AI is going to diagnose our
charity activations. And I know this because I sat and
I talked to the individual that was here in negotiations
with the government. They figured that they can take our
weight list down from four hundred and fifty five hundred
down to one hundred and fifty just by having AI
reviewed these files. If an individual feels like they're sick,

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if they've had a heart attack, or if they if
they've been diagnosed with some kind of a blockage or
anything like that, and they feel they need a stress test,
there's a whole lot more involved than somebody saying that
the computer says you don't need it anymore. People have
mental strains in their life and all of those types
of things, and we've got to start caring about people.
And part of that means making tough decisions. And some

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of those tough decisions means understanding that healthcare and rural
newth Land can be different than it is in urban
Our biggest population, our biggest issue is patty and I've
said it a million times, our population and geography, and
if we are to overcome that, we need to understand
that things can happen in rural newth Land. We just
got to do it a little bit different.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Appreciate the time, Lloyd, Thank you, take care of you too.
Bye bye, Lloyd. Part running for the Tories out in Taranova.
Let's take the break. We'll make a back coupley. We
have a nice clear Crystal Claire falling on to continue
our conversation with the founding Chair of Food Producers FORM.
That's Dan Roubin. There, we'll go Sagamore at the Dale Land.
Who's the president at the NLTA. Don't go away, Welcome
back to the show. Let's go line number three again,

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and Sagamore to the founding Chair of Food Producers Form,
Dan Rubin. Dan, you're back on the air.

Speaker 11 (01:10:53):
Hey, Patty. As I was saying when I was so
rudely interrupted, always good to talk to you and to
hear your really thoughtful discussion that last caller, the candidate,
excellent points, very well put. So as usual, I'm here
to talk about food and here's the story that I
want to tell listeners. First of all, as we've discussed before,

(01:11:15):
there's this myth that you can't grow food here, and
people always grow grew food here. People still grew grow
food here. We did a survey in twenty twenty two.
We got seven hundred and forty two responses from one
hundred and sixty seven communities. That's our nonprofit group, Food
Producers Forum, and documented production that year by those seven

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hundred and forty two of six point two million pounds
of food. But as you know, because you've been hearing
these stories on your show, people in rural communities particularly
are disadvantage because they're being literally stopped from growing food
or keeping animals. And the reason that's happened is that

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there's outdated legislation at the municipal level, taken from a
British planning document published in nineteen forty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Yeah, and that was only mimicked. Nineteen forty seven legislation
was mimiced from eighteen ninety six legislation.

Speaker 11 (01:12:16):
Right, you probably are right about that. And then the
thing is that, hang on just a second, we're going
to cut two pieces of the same as that while
I speak. We're doing garden repairs. But anyway, Yeah, and
what we've done is a group of us Michael Murray
a Murray's garden store and farming background, merv Wisemann, past

(01:12:41):
president under the Federation of Agriculture, doctor Nick fair Rich,
who's done the research on municipal policies, and I have
spent the last year identifying very small changes in provincial
policy needed to reset the clock on local food production.
We have a policy document. We've given it to all

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four parties. They're all enthusiastic about it. And it's a
no brainer because it isn't the political football. It's food
and food has to do with heritage, sustainability, climate change,
community health, all of that. And if we can get
them to pay attention going into the election, we can

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get them to agree to change the rules around home
food production and protection of farms. So I want to
encourage your listeners to go to our website, food Producesforum
dot com and in a splash frame on the main
page is a link to the document. Read it, check
it out, let us know what you think, but above all,

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talk to your candidates, because the issue is not food security.
That's a vague academic term. The issue is where does
our food come from? And as you know, that crap
in the supermarket is us being prisoners to a corporate
food system, and we need to break out of jail.
And the way we do that is making me small.

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And they're very small changes to five different provincial acts,
and it'll be a whole new landscape with people producing
thousands of pounds of food right where they live and
sharing it in their community in a community minded way.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:14:22):
That's my message for today.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
And I get it and that's a good message. And
I mean we're not talking about every residential backyard has
sheep and cattle and roosters and the like, but a
realistic change to legislation to reflect the modern day need
to be more self sufficient, you know, food and security
or food security to me, I'll use those terms for
individual households, not as a province, because that is completely misleading.

(01:14:46):
So I'm with you. So change in legislation is one thing,
but I'll get your take on it because you know
more about it. NA do is when we talk about
the fact that you're hundred percent right, people have got
themselves talked into that we can't grow this, and we
can't grow that we can only grow for the three
months of the summer, which is simply not true. I mean,
if I had the purse string, it's simply not true.
And I know that to be a fact, if I

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had the purse strings. And we're talking about food accessibility
or food supply is also a geographical question. It's a
proximity question. You know. If we're talking about having to
drive extensive kilometers to get some leafy greens, I think
there's a return if community gardens were more of a
go to. In addition to a change to the legislation,

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if we covered some of the upfront heavy costs of
hydropodic operations could be part of the equation. So we're
just kind of lazy when we talk about this. We'll say,
and you've proven this number to be wrong, which I appreciate.
You know, ninety percent of what we consume is important. No,
that's only ninety percent of what we consume that we
bought at the grocery store is important. So we've just
got to change the way we talk about it.

Speaker 11 (01:15:49):
Yeah, you're making some great points there, and I totally
agree with you that it really comes down to the
household level. And you can also find our report from
the survey on our main page and read it, download
it and read it. And one of the most interesting
things was that we asked about what you do with
the food to grow, not just specifically how many pounds

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of grape, how many pounds of broccoli, how many fish?
And what we found out is that the food that's
grown at the community level is being shared. It's being
shared with friends, neighbors, and family. So that gives us
not only healthy local food, it gives us a way
to distribute it. That's much more socially just and inclusive.

(01:16:32):
And so what we're doing as a group now is
we have two projects looming, one of which is just
waiting for funding announcement after the election. And that project
is called Rebuilding Trust in Local Food, and we're going
to do a campaign of branding local food and getting
the word out that there is local food, it is good,

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it is affordable, and it's so good for you and
tastes so great. And the other one we're working on
is a scheme for food distribution that would create seven
nodes along the trans Canada between the Avalon and corner Brook,
each of them equipped with a refrigerated shipping container where

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all the local growers could bring their food that they
grow and distributed using the same online system that the
Western NL Food Hub is using and the Avalon Food
Hub will be using. And then we could connect people
to local supply at reasonable cost. That's the kind of
ideas we're working.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
With right now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:17:40):
The good one really do need to clear the decks
legally with the changes in provincial law.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Yeah, increase access for vendors to farmers' markets at marginal
prices or cost to them. I mean, there's just so
much to this. People think about food is just how
much it cost to fill up a bag at Sobey's.
That's just miniscule part of this. Into our conversation, Dan'll
give you the Florida wrap it up before we say goodbye.

Speaker 11 (01:18:06):
I will agree with you once again. It's always such
an inspiration to talk to you and to see how
you deal with these issues so thoughtfully, because this is
a no brainer. And the real question, aside from the
fact that we can and have and still do grow
our food here for people to pay attention to, is
food quality. When stuff has grown industrially and ship thousands

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of miles, it's not good for you. I mean you
should tache the plums that we just picked up off
the ground under my plum trees. They're scrumptious. We need
local food not just for economic reasons because of food insecurity,
but we need it for community health. I'll end it there.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Good to have you on, Dan. Have a nice weekend.

Speaker 11 (01:18:50):
Always you too, have a great one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Thank Y Bye bye. Stan Rubin, Founding chair of the
Food Producers Forum. Let's take a break. Welcome back Dale
Labs and the queue. The President of the NLTA talk
a little education on the campaign trail, and then you
don't go away. Welcome back to the show. Quick PSA
on line number five before we get to day Land, Rod, you're.

Speaker 14 (01:19:07):
On the air, Yeah, Patty, Uh, just one of war
the motorists that are heading west from Badger westwards port
of bass is to don't stop for a guy. He's
walking down the middle of the road trying to hit
you right from traffic heading both directions. No, it looks

(01:19:29):
like there might be forestry. He's got their lights on
and kind of keep an eye on this guy. Rc
A P is supposed to be on their way to
see what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Yay, So people, Yeah, warn.

Speaker 14 (01:19:42):
The motorists not to stop and pick this guy up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Yeah, and just be aware of the fact that there's
someone standing in the middle of the highway as well.
So I appreciate the heads up on this, Rod.

Speaker 14 (01:19:52):
Yeah, no problem. You have a great day, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
You too, all the best.

Speaker 11 (01:19:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
So there you go westward from Badger, middle of the
hitch I can trying to get picked up going in
both directions. Something going on there. Let's got line nuber four.
Second morning to the President at the NLTA. That's day
a Lambdale around the air.

Speaker 15 (01:20:09):
Good morning, Patty, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Great today? How about you?

Speaker 15 (01:20:12):
Oh good, good, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Let's get into it. Let's start at the top of
the line. Yeah, with the election bulletin. What's included therein.

Speaker 15 (01:20:21):
The bulletin, you know, has questions on teacher recruitment, retention,
Little said, classroom complexity, students supports school of violence. So
all Parity leaders were asked a series of questions and
their responses are found in the election bulletin, which is
just one one way that we try to engage our
members into the democratic process.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Okay, give us a snippet of what you think. Some
of the responses were Insapar's merit and actual reality for
implementing and with Ray.

Speaker 15 (01:20:53):
Here's the merit in reality. There was acknowledgment of the
of the issues that are currently ongoing education by the
three party leaders in those responses. However, what we've been
lacking right now would be stated responses from our leaders
in a public format. So you know, with regards to

(01:21:14):
the content of what was provided, certainly some good ideas
that seemed to be very workable, but once again we
hadn't really seen a clear vision for what education is
going to look like under a new government from party leaders.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Of course, you're working in the field as a professional.
For me, you know, when we talk about recruitment, retention
and complexity in the classroom supports violence, chronic aps and teeism.
If we don't start with class composition, then we're going
to piecemeal this.

Speaker 15 (01:21:47):
I completely agree there, Patty Lake. Classes are far more
complicated now and I've said this to you before than
they were when I started twenty seven years ago. And
I've been doing a lot of school visits and going
in to a lot of our you know, workplaces, and
the nature of the classroom as certainly changed. In fact
that there's much more diversity, the needs of the students

(01:22:10):
in the room are far more complex, and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
I'm going to put that all on hold because we
need to hear this. Let's see if we have a
better chance. On line number two, Joyce around the air.

Speaker 16 (01:22:27):
Oh hi, pat eat me bye? How are you too bad?

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
I suppose you?

Speaker 16 (01:22:32):
Oh okay, A lot of might take to talk about
the government, for one, use the dog, but you bark
said everything. First off, I want to talk about guns now,
they're doing to.

Speaker 15 (01:22:48):
Buy back on assault rifles.

Speaker 16 (01:22:50):
I agree with that, but they're also going to be
taking shot guns twenty two folds ac and what are
people going to do. They're not going to be able
to hunt or anything else by the sounds of it.
And people got short memories. But if they're hunters, they

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better know that their guns are all going to be
taken her on a buyback and de farmers won't be
able to protect their feels from environments, some water or else.

Speaker 5 (01:23:24):
I mean, they need their guns.

Speaker 16 (01:23:27):
And the Liberals never would answer any questions. Kearney is
worse than to roll. He's only for the rich and
elbows up. He's knees down, believe me. And he's so
passive when he was talking to Trump, he's like a
little boy, I swear to God.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
Is disgusting.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
And what did you wanted to do? You want to
go into the Oval office with guns blazing?

Speaker 16 (01:23:53):
No, no, that's not it. But he's just so meek
and mild when he's speaking to Trump, is like, you know, talk,
do something, but no, it's all laid back and Canada
is getting whatever and it's not good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Okay. A couple of thoughts on guns so there will
still be firearms available for hunters and farmers and everyone
to use. But I agree with the summary point that with.
I think there's like twenty five hundred different models of
firearms on the buy back or banned list, many of
which do the exact same thing as other weapons that
are not banned. Like a lot of it makes no sense,

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it really truly does. There's some weapons that I think
really don't belong in the hands of everyday citizens. They
just there's absolutely no need of it. But the way
the liberals have gone about it is just hand fisted,
you know. Like I said, there's weapons that are not
on the band lists that do the exact same thing,
have the exact same capacity of another weapon that looks different,
but it's on the list. So a couple of other things.

(01:24:52):
We have no idea how much this is going to cost.
I mean, this gun buy back, they rolled it out
as a pilot in Cape Breton. People give estimates of
this hundreds of millions to into the billions. When we
know that if you hear from law enforcement, the Association
Chiefs of Police and other major law enforcement organizations like
the Toronto City Police, they say quite clearly this will

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not make us safer. This will not have an impact
on crime. And if that's the goal, then the only
place to have real impact on crime is to get
the handguns at the border before they end up in
the hands of the criminals in the big cities.

Speaker 16 (01:25:27):
Yes, you're so right. Also, I don't know if people
know this. The liberals, they all step down like dominos
when it came to the nursing thing, lying about a
nurse and how they were paying her an apparentment and
this and that, and it was all lies. Every bit

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of it never happened, what was lost, and they were
renting out places they own for triple.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
So we moved down to the travel nurses, did we Joyce? Okay,
So we might have to reboot that for And I'm
gonna put Joyce on hold too, because i want to
let her finish her thoughts. Like the gun buybacks, I
think Canadians when polled, and this is where polling becomes
a tricky piece of business. When you're asked something as
vague as are you in favor of some form of

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gun control, I think most people would say yes. And
you know, you talk about the guns that are in
certain different parts of the country per capita, the Newfoulanld,
Labrador is at the very or very near the top
of the list with the number of guns per people
living in the province. But the problem is clear. If
the intention is to make the public safer, if the
intention is to get guns out of the hands of

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the criminals, this isn't going to do it. Don't take
it for me. Take it from the associations of police
chiefs across the country, from some of the big metropolitan
areas like Vancouver, Montreal and Toronto. They all say the
same thing. This is not going to see any reduction
in crime. And if we have firearms that have the
same capacity, one is banned, one is not because of

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the look. That doesn't make much sense either. You know,
there are some weapons that have been the favorite choice
of people who are intending to commit serious crimes that
maybe there's a conversation we had as to whether or
not you actually need it, or whether or not we
should allow people to even have it. But if it's
not going to make us any safer, and it's not
going to see a reduction in crime, then someone please
give me some idea as to why we think this

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is a good thing. Handguns have been traced that have
been seized from the criminal element in different parts of
the country have been traced all the way back into
things like gun shows in the United States. It's been
done repeatedly. We understand the problem of handguns, and some
of the rules have changed regarding handguns and transportation and
the penalties associated with having a handgun illegally, but does

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that really influence the criminal element. The trick is to
try to get the handguns at the border before they
get into the gangs, whether be in Toronto or wherever else.
People focusing on Toronto, even though in the big scheme
of things, big city safety in this world, Toronto is
not as dangerous as people pretend it's either. But let's
get the guns at the border. Same thing with drugs.
We've got an internal problem in the country domestically regarding

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the amount of drug labs and the influence of for
bad actors like China, and what that means for the
precursors of and the distribution of things like fentanyl, even
though the number one killer in this province is cocaine.
But yeah, let's do more at the border, right and
on that front, given the fact that the border security
issue is a so called national security issue in the

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United States. Does that rationale mean that it's the American
border services it's their fault for guns getting in. I'm
not suggesting that's the truth, but that's how that stupid
argument and conversation goes. Yeah, do it at the border,
get the guns right there. How often do we have
to be told the handguns that we repeatedly seize from
gangsters criminals in this country, we can trace the handgun

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back to a gun show or a gun store in
the United States of America. Amazing. Let's see here. Let's
go ahead and take a break for the news. When
we come back, we'll be speaking with you. Don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Welcome back. Let's rejoin Dale Lamp, president of the NLTA
online number four daily. You're back on the air.

Speaker 15 (01:29:23):
I've haddy, how are you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
I'm better now that we can hear you loud and clear.
Let's rejoin the conversation wherever you see fit. All right, Well, we.

Speaker 15 (01:29:31):
Were talking about classroom complications and class sizes. So my
response to that is, the classroom is very complex, very complicated.
You know, high numbers student needs. There's a lot of
diversity in our classrooms right now. So you know, this
is definitely something that we need to be focused on

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as the government who moves forward for the next four years,
they need to be focused on how to address that
issue for us FIRS.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Or how do we realistically approached because what it kind
of feels like to me like even when there's twenty
million dollars to hire four hundred more professionals, including a
variety of assistants to work in the classroom, at some point,
we're going to have anyone that needs additional support with
any kind of exceptionality. At some point we're going to
have a teacher or two homo teachers been depending on

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class size, plus a big wave of assistance that may
indeed just complicate things even further with so many people
and so many different needs and so many murmurs and
all that is involved with being an assistant, then I
don't even know if that's a solution. How about you okay,

(01:30:44):
so obviously the gremlins that were once causing just buzzes
on the phone lines are now worse than that pretty
important message coming from Dale Lamb here, and I do
want to steal his thunder I from when we can
get them back on the line that where we can
actually have a conversation. There was also a leader's form
on education that had to be canceled, which is extremely unfortunate.
I know there's been some mentioned by Premier Hogan and

(01:31:06):
mister Wakem and mister Dinn and other candidates about education,
but not nearly the focus required. I'll also you know,
if mister Lamb is listening, I'll also get his thoughts
on things like the Educational Cord, which kind of got
hijacked by the revelation that there are some fifteen fake
citations involved in it. I mean, what was going to

(01:31:27):
be a pretty important document to modernize to transform the
K the pre K to twelve system. Some people have
now just given a no credibility because of that, and
you know, the fingerpointing complain. It would be nice to
know it was responsible for including those fake citations on
fifteen of them. I know they took the document down.
I know, they're doing a comprehensive review to ensure that

(01:31:47):
it is accurate insofar as films and documentaries and papers
that are actually real that have been cited to enforce
some of the recommendations. Let's see how we do online
Number one, Dale, hopefully you're back on the air. I
am back.

Speaker 11 (01:32:01):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Pat here? Are you great? So? My point was that,
you know, adding all the appropriate assistance to individual students
is important. But if we actually got that right and
every single student that needed help had an assistant present
in the classroom, all of a sudden, we've got a
classroom twenty five students had a compliment of ten assistants
and teachers? Does that actually make things better?

Speaker 15 (01:32:21):
And Patty, you know, you could have me on a
three hour special talking about, you know, the resources in
classrooms based on my experience. You know, the solution would
actually be for our government to give us their plan
as to how things are going to look for the
next number of years, four years in particular, and how
that those resources are going to be directed, because ultimately,

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you know, our employer determines how the resources are deployed
and how to put into the classrooms effectively. As an
association is our job to make sure that we monitor
things and that we provide the on the ground information
as to how it is actually assisting. So with regression sky.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
There we go. It's the same issue. Yeah, And you know,
one group of students that doesn't necessarily get included in
the conversation is the more gifted students. You know, one
thing that really sidetracks a day sitting in a classroom,
because it can be a long day, is if those
students who are extremely gifted who need to be challenged.

(01:33:26):
It's one of the things inside the educational court with
the so called tailoring of curriculum to meet the students
where they are, and that includes folks with behavioral disorders
and or ADHD or possibly some around the spectrum, whatever
the case may be. And that's of course important if
we're going to have an inclusive model. That just doesn't
mean everyone is inside the same school, right, that's not

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good enough to actually satisfy an inclusive model of education.
But those students that really need to be challenged a
little further. When boredom sets in, then of course boredom
is going to rule the day. So something that they
can indeed be learning and be challenged and for the
so called tailored curriculum to meet that gifted child. If
that's not happening, that's also a betrayal. It just is.

(01:34:09):
So that's why the class composition question is so critically important.
Like when we went to high school, you were in
like brother Rise, there was eight grade ten classrooms. In
room one oh one were the folks with the highest
marks coming from grade nine, and so there was a
little different approach to delivering the curriculum. The students in
room one oh eight were at the bottom of the

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pile in so far as the marks had been able
to achieve in grade nine, and so there was a
different approach to curriculum delivery in that room. Let's see
how we make out here and maybe just maybe fingers
crossed Dale. You're back on the.

Speaker 15 (01:34:41):
Air, all right, So, Patty, I think it's in our
busy interest. There seems to be technological things going on
for me, I guess to get right to the point,
education has not been a priority for candidates so far
in the election, and we need to make it more
of a priority right now. Our association as a letter
writing campaign. It's accessible through our website. Our members have

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the link as well, and I noticed this morning a
lot of our members are sharing it through social media.
This is an opportunity not only for educators, but also
for parents to find out where the candidates stand and
what the vision is for the future as it relates
to education, because I hear you say it regularly, and
I've heard people say it to me the last couple
of days. Education is the foundation for making sure that

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things work better in our society and our social services.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Delle. What happened to the leaders forum that was scheduled.

Speaker 15 (01:35:35):
Oh yeah, so we did put out a call. It's
been a traditional event for our members to make an
informed decision based on a leader's forum whereby the three
party leaders stand up and face questions regarding education. Sadly,
one party put out that, you know, they were available.
The next party put out that they were going to

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show off. It's the other three party leaders were going
to be present. And then we did have representation from
our Liberal Party in the form of the Minister of Education,
and to his credit, he was well able to he
was ready to present, but the leader himself didn't show up,

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so we did make decision not to go ahead with it,
which was very disappointing because our leaders need to be
the ones to be able to speak, because ministers of
education will be determined on who forms the next government,
as well as the skill set of the people that
are going.

Speaker 7 (01:36:33):
To be before the next premier.

Speaker 15 (01:36:36):
Hearing from a minister who may not be in that
position will be an exercise in futility for our members.
But we need to hear directly from the leaders in
order to know their vision because they are going to
be the stagnant force of the next government.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Click thought on the Educational Court, like I was quite
interested in the process over the course of eighteen months
and the contributors to it and a ten year roadmap
to modernized transform the pre k TOD twelve system. Now
it seems like it's been almost entirely derailed with the
revelation of these fake citations. How do you at the
NLTA take what has unfolded with the Educational Court.

Speaker 15 (01:37:14):
You know, I continue as president to look at the
recommendations that have been put forward. You know, the next
government will determine if those recommendations are actually put in place,
but you know the credibility of the report, you know,
looking at false citations certainly gives me different lanes when
I'm reviewing things, especially as somebody who taught the English

(01:37:35):
language arts and who you know, engaged in the post
secondary and the Masters of the Education program. So you know,
there is a little bit of skepticism on my part
as I read it. So what I'm focusing on are
the recommendations themselves and how I can make sure that
our members aren't impacted in the negative way if government
chooses to implement them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
It's good to have you on the show with all
the interruptions today. Let's touch base again next week to
reiterate some of these points and that to it.

Speaker 15 (01:38:01):
All right, that sounds really good, Patty.

Speaker 7 (01:38:03):
Thanks for the opportunity to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
My pleasure. Dale, have nice weekend.

Speaker 13 (01:38:07):
Yeah you as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Bye bye, Yeah. President at the NLTA. Let's take a break, woman,
come back, we're talking all aged security. Don't go away.
Welcome back. Let's good line number one. How are you
around the air?

Speaker 17 (01:38:17):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:38:17):
Hello, Patty? How are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Great today? How about you?

Speaker 6 (01:38:20):
I'm pretty good. I don't usually phone in life huns
the phone and listens every day, but I'm phoning in
because I think it's a good time to appeal to
all the seniors in Newfoundland. I've heard you last week
said about forty or forty five percent of the people
that listen you're sore seniors. So I just appeared in
room today to listen to what the two party was
on all the three but PCs deliverers are offer an

(01:38:43):
increase in the all air security, and mullims are for
and ten percent oneas are from twenty And I'm just
appearing to while this us to whoever offers the most,
no matter what your polity could stripe this time around
fourth for them. Hopefully they'll get in and we'll get
a few extra dollars on our own a security.

Speaker 13 (01:39:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Now I'm not going to be like the school mare.
I'm here or just correct you. Just so people know
exactly what we're talking about. Is the pledge is ten
percent increase. I thought it was fifteen from the Liberals,
but ten percent, i'll take your word for it, and
twenty percent from the Tories on the senior's benefit because
all their security is of course a federal program. But
the senior's benefit for low income seniors is exactly what

(01:39:22):
they're talking about on the campaign trail. And you're right
there's a difference between the two.

Speaker 6 (01:39:26):
That's provincial, right, That's what I'm saying. Right, Well, usually
what I'm trying to say here is like it's still
going to the malls and winter for the trial to
keep yourself warm and awful on table, let's let's get
the increase while we can no better support your PC
or Liberal like you know, I usually vote for a
certain parody also, but this time around, I'm going to

(01:39:46):
start out for the seniors. Because I'm hearing people per
phone in the feeling for for vet bills and all
that stuff. I think we should get a priority straight
look after the seniors first, fair enough, that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Yeah, and that pertains the increase in the threshold to
include more seniors is important. I think these seniors benefit
applies to around fifty thousand seniors here in the province.
But yes, if your vote with your pocketbook, there's a
difference between the pledges from the different parties on that benefit.
You're true, You're right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:40:17):
That's all I'm saying, just this one time around, just
vote for whoever offering the best for the seniors. I
know a lot of people down here are here a
Tory or Liberal. I understand that, but just once bought
with your pocketbook, like you just said.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Yeah, and I suppose, like the rest of us, it's
important to factor in everything that would impact all of
our lives, like you know, taking the provincial portion of
tax off home heating and those types of things, so
you know, look right across the entire gamut of what's
out there that could benefit you financially. Let's make sure
we try to talk about it as much as possible
so that people know what other parties are saying.

Speaker 6 (01:40:51):
That's right, I agree to it, and one party's offering
more percentage and the other ones offing the other. But
then one of them is offering like travel for sickness
and stuff like that. But to me, food on the
table is more important than all that, right, I don't
understand that if I get sick on my head to loss.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Some Yeah, you're right. So Harry was talking about the
seniors benefit, and yes there is a difference there. There
has been some expansion, but like most things and different
pots of money and different support programs out there, Yes,
it's important to talk about what each party thinks is
the appropriate increase. But one of the most important facets

(01:41:27):
for me anyway, and I leave it up to you
what you think is a lot of the eligibility issues,
whether it be to qualify for your Guaranteed Income Supplement
or all Age Security or whatever the case we be,
because everyone qualifies for CPP. If you're a Canadian citizen,
then you've paid into the Canadian Pension Plan. But it's
those eligibility thresholds they need to change because what was
once twenty one thousand dollars five years ago is not

(01:41:49):
twenty one thousand dollars anymore worth of purchasing power. That
kind of gets lost on politicians where you can talk
about a percentage of increase, but if we're trying to
help more scene in this particular conversation, it's the eligibility
that doesn't get enough conversation, because if you're ineligible because
for instance, you make two thousand dollars more than the

(01:42:10):
current threshold, then a ten percent or twenty percent or
fifty percent increase doesn't mean anything new. But that two
thousand dollars gap is some of the things that we
have to try to talk about how we close it,
because again, and I think this is demonstably true, if
a cutof threshold for whatever program, it's twenty one thousand
dollars in net income. Well, five years ago you could

(01:42:31):
buy X with that. Now you can buy far less
than next. So that threshold conversation is something that really
deserves a bit more conversation because if the goal is
to capture more people with these levels of support, whether
they be related to consumer Price Index or whatever index
to inflation, which generally speaking is the CPI, is Yeah,

(01:42:54):
let's try to capture more people with these types of supports,
because if we don't, then there's going to be other
types of financial supports that just require another layer of bureaucracy,
cost more, and don't achieve something as fundamental as making
that twenty one thousand, pick a number, twenty four thousand,
whatever it is. So people that need that type of
help get that type of help. Because remember, if we're

(01:43:15):
talking about being cold, or we're talking about being hungry,
or we're talking about the inability to cover your entire
prescription cost, then what do you think the outcome is
the likelihood of you becoming ill? And then what so
so many different things where you have the potential to
interact with the healthcare system in particular, Then let's just
figure it out, same thing, and I'll go back to

(01:43:37):
the well here on this one is we do need,
whether it be Premier Hogan and or mister Wakem or
mister Dinn to describe if they understand, as to why
we have not yet signed on to the National Firemacare program,
which covers diabetic medications and supplies and contraceptives. I'm paying
for it already here. We all did our taxes back

(01:43:57):
in the spring. I paid my federal tax on paying
for the program. Why have we not signed on? Where
are the negotiations? And would either leader or another pledge
that on day one or day five that we would
sign on to something that we're already paying for. Not
every problems has signed on yet in full. So there's
a pretty good question to be asked as to why

(01:44:18):
then we did indeed sign on to a few things
like the ten dollars day daycare. We signed on the
school lunch program. I think we're first out of the
gate on the school lunch program. And yes, to expand
an opportunity to have a nice hot lunch at school
is obviously important. My question there would be not every
school is built the same way. Not every school even

(01:44:39):
has space for preparing meals and or the resources to
deliver meals. Like my kids went to school at a
school with no cafeteria, none, the space to about actually
put the meals together, non existent. So how do we
accommodate schools that, through no fault of their own and students,
through no fault of their own, are going to a
school with no cafe, the airs, all right, no kitchen,

(01:45:02):
that's the word I was looking for imagining. I couldn't
think of the word kitchen. No kitchen. So expanding the program,
how because some of that money was not only to
cover the cost of the food, was also to cover
the cost of potential infrastructure upgrades so they could accommodate
the school lunch program. So just a few of those
that will throw around. Also reflecting back to Dan Rubin,
the founding chair of the Food Producer's Form, good question

(01:45:25):
being asked by a listener via Twitter is I'll bring
it up so I don't misquote talk about food shortage.
Just what's on the go with sixty White Hills Road
in the East End? Excellent question. That was the big
hydroponic facility that was built by Canopy to grow marijuana
never grew a bud of marijuana there. That industry obviously

(01:45:46):
was nowhere near what they thought it was going to
be financially speaking, nor is the windfall of taxes on
cannabis products, but the provinces and the federal government thought
it would be. This is my understanding, and if I'm wrong,
sent me straight, because I'm not entirely sure here, But
I believe that lease that was owned by Cadopy and
a number company is just about to expire. So then

(01:46:07):
what becomes of it? I really don't know, but that's
an excellent question because it's a massive facility that could
grow a lot of produce or whatever people think is
the right product to grow in there. And I'm going
to stick by my thoughts about like Dan Rubin is
one hundred percent right. The legislation that governs municipalities about
backyard farming and homesteading is old, way too old. Needs

(01:46:29):
to change. There's no good reason why we're abiding by
British legislation that was last penned in nineteen forty seven.
In addition to that, if there is some money he's
out there for community gardens to be established, what have you.
But it's expensive to get into the world of hydroproducts.
The upfront costs are prohibitive for a lot of folks
who would be interested in doing it. Not everybody wants

(01:46:51):
to be a farmer. But if we, for instance, created
access to food, created jobs to manage the facilities and
to harvest the produce or to harvest the goods that
are grown inside a hydroponic facility, to reduce the need
for people to get in their vehicle to travel far
afield from smaller communities in this province simply to get
access to decent food. Boy, there's some solutions that are available.

(01:47:14):
There aren't there kind of feels like it's me let's
check in on the Twitter where ViOS Simo Polina know
what they do? Email addresses open on a FSM dot com.
Harry's back in the queue to finish his conversation regarding
the seniors benefit. Ambrose wants to talk a little gst
that we're going to talk government policy and the broad
strokes with one of the candidates running for the Tories
Mount Pearl North. That's Jim Lester. Don't go away the

(01:47:37):
Tim Power Show.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
Joining the conversation weekday afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Welcome back, let's go to line number, line number four,
Ambrose around the air.

Speaker 10 (01:47:51):
Hello, how are you getting down?

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Very well? How about you?

Speaker 9 (01:47:54):
I'm momber the GST.

Speaker 7 (01:47:58):
They're not going to the sort of to GST in
the post.

Speaker 13 (01:48:01):
Can you find that?

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
I've just Jeff did. Well, that's what we were told,
and we did indeed ask about that. The Social Assistance
income support checks are going up, but the GST check.
What I've been told is the only way to get
the check, if you get a paper check in the
mail is to go to the post office two pieces
of ID and you should be able to collect it there.
But I would suggest you call the post office before

(01:48:22):
you waste your time. Red what they say.

Speaker 15 (01:48:26):
The should wrong game.

Speaker 9 (01:48:27):
We're detorting here.

Speaker 6 (01:48:28):
Did all these pension checks?

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
That's it?

Speaker 6 (01:48:33):
How did the people hold to get the geschet up?

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
That's an excellent question. I mean, we we've got a
request into Canada Post and to the union about a
variety things like this, so they were quick to go
in and try to help get the ballots delivered. But
people might be relying on the GST check. So let
me do some follow up Ambrose, and I'll get a
definitive answer as soon as possible.

Speaker 11 (01:48:54):
Thank you very much, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
You're welcome. All the best, right bye bye. Look for
including income support checks going out, and that's the right
thing to do. Is if people qualify for GST rebates,
then they probably also really need that rebate. So if
we have x number of postal employees that are there
to deliver one check or another, then maybe all the

(01:49:17):
checks coming from the federal government can be just popped
in the mail. I don't know how much additional effort
there would be involved with that, but that sounds like
a pretty wise thing to me. Let's go to line
number one, Gus around the air.

Speaker 17 (01:49:31):
How are you fing?

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
I'm okay, thank you? How about you?

Speaker 17 (01:49:35):
Good patty? Reason why for my phone call is and
you may have already dealt with this. Have the head
out of the three parties provincial parties committed to an
independent non.

Speaker 6 (01:49:55):
A non party.

Speaker 17 (01:49:58):
Investigation with and independent people to study the Gull Island
Memorandum of Agreement contract.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Short answer is they've all commented, but let's see here.
So Premier Hogan has said that the independent oversight committee
that's in place is good enough. And that's not exactly
what he said, but that's what he's leaning on Tony
wakem had said he would pause it, send it for
independent review and put it to a referendum. Jim Din
has called for an independent review on top of this
three person committee. So that's the basic answers from the leaders.

Speaker 17 (01:50:36):
Okay, So can I have a few other comments to that,
Srigan wonder muskrat false said, we've been put through the
Public Utilities Board, you might remember, did not sanction that
because they told the Government of the day and the
premium of the day that we need more information and

(01:51:00):
more study. And the answer of the Public Utilities Board
head was no. The answer was it's been study today
and we're not going to do anyth more. So you
went ahead with that, and you know how that turned out.

Speaker 12 (01:51:20):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
It's even worse than that, Gus. What they also did,
in addition to what you mentioned, is that they took
the pub out of Muscraft Falls in its entirety. They
actually passed two bills of legislation Build sixty and sixty
one one delt with taking Muscraft Falls out of the
authority or the auspices of the pub. And it was
also about wind moratorium and all these things have changed since.

(01:51:41):
So we have learned some pretty hard knock lessons about
the process to develop muscraft falls and one of them
is the brow of the pub. Now, they weren't allowed
to deal with rates, but they did bring in an
outfit called Liberty Consulting, and they put forward all sorts
of risk analysis and you know, potential pitfalls, whether it
be with black eyes are rolling brownouts and what would

(01:52:02):
happen if indeed there was a big power line outage
or the power lines around the ground of the long
Range Mountains, Labrador Island, Lincoln stuff. So they did bring
an expertise there, but they weren't allowed to deal with
the rates. Still aren't.

Speaker 17 (01:52:14):
Yeah, well, now let me I know absolutely knowing about this,
and I would say ninety eight percent then got a
clue what this God Island thing is all about. And
I would say a politician who are running now for office,
I would say eighty five percent of them don't have
a clue what this Got Island contract is all about.

(01:52:39):
But I would give my thanks to our Newfoudland Senator
Dave Wells. I happened to listen to on the radio
the other day and reason why I'm palling in is
I normally don't fall into open line show. But I
was alive and I was thirty seven years old when

(01:53:00):
the Churchill Falls was signed, and and I was around
the course from the Muskrat. But the thing that really
the red flag for me as well when he said
at the end of this contract, if we do go
ahead and sign it, is Quebec will loan forty percent,

(01:53:22):
the only thirty four percent when the Churchill Falls things terminates,
but they loan forty percent when they.

Speaker 6 (01:53:32):
A new one.

Speaker 17 (01:53:34):
God Island terminates. But the thing that struck me more,
and I think I understood what Senator they well said,
we want We don't know if this is a good thing.
This may be the best thing since close spread, but
we don't know if this is good. We don't know
if it's bad. But if our friend there, the Premier,

(01:54:00):
think this is good, this is a great deal.

Speaker 14 (01:54:05):
Well.

Speaker 17 (01:54:06):
The thing that knocked me after chir nearly was when
the Senator said, by him looking into this, that we're
going to turn over over sixty kilometers of NUF of
Labrador to Quebec government.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
Yeah, that's not exactly what he said, but I understand.
You know the number one problem that people are having
with Gall is that we're told it's one of the
last greatest hydrid developments in North America, but did not
have an independent valuation conducted as to what exactly means
how much is going to cost to be built and
what the value of it would look over the course
of pick a number twenty five years, fifty years. So

(01:54:50):
without that independent valuation, which they've kind of used, they
fixed model with the thirty three point eight billion dollars
worth of benefits to the province. And that's with all
of the different projects. So Gall is the big trick here.
I mean that obviously I wasn't in the room. I
wasn't part of the negotiating team obviously, But that's what
Quebec came looking for. They had no interest in renegotiating

(01:55:11):
the Upper Churchile. How do I know, because we took
them to court seven times at least. So they wanted
some sort of access to the two thousand plus megawatsack
called island. That's exactly what they got.

Speaker 17 (01:55:21):
And Petty, why can we not make them Quebec a
customer and paid a market rate for the electricity. Why
is another way of bringing another a group of people
that can be interested in giving us a better deal,

(01:55:44):
and why do we need to deal one hundred percent
with Quebec on it all the time?

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Well, at the Upper Churchile they are the customer and
even after twenty forty one they remained the customer. The
opportunity there is renegotiate price. Gall I guess the only answer,
And I don't have a specific answer to your question,
but at this moment in time, the only way out
with the power is through Quebec, like it just legitly is.
I don't And it's a fair question about market price though, but.

Speaker 17 (01:56:13):
It isn't The Prime Minister of Canada saying that we're
going to have free trade within Canada because we don't
have free trade now with the United States, so we're
going to bring in uh regular law does go on
to have us have every province have the right for

(01:56:35):
free trade, which we don't have now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
Yeah, we didn't even sign on as a province. And secondly,
that's you know, that's a bit of a unicorn. The
country has talked about that since John Diefenbaker. So if
it ever comes to past, it has got to be
considered in this contract, and for not to be it
would be a crucial mistake because it might happen. I
don't know if it actually will. I got my doubts,
but it might.

Speaker 17 (01:56:58):
You never know, Patty, because you don't know from one
day from the other how things are going to.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Turn out to it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
I have no idea what twelve o'clock is going to
bring on its eleven forty five. So you're right.

Speaker 17 (01:57:11):
Anyway, I suppose I'm going to get off it here now,
and I thank you for it. Let me talk to
you about this because once again, like we said, this
might be the greatest thing for no flans and slice bread.
But like the senator, they well said, let's get the
best brains, let's get all the facts, take it out

(01:57:33):
of the field of politics and put it in where
it should be good sound business deal, and get every
nook and preendy look at it. And then when we
make our decision, then nobody can come back in yours
time and say we did another church fall.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
I appreciate the time, gose, hope you have a nice weekend,
take care, bye bye. All right, before we get to
the break, we want to give a shout out here
for the Rotary Club of Gander. They're going to be
conducting a Thanksgiving food drive to support the two food
banks in the Gander area coming up this Saturday, October
the fourth. So the rotary member is going to have
a trailer set up to collect food items and donations
at the Gander call Out parking lot from nine am

(01:58:19):
to four pm. They're hoping to collect non perishable food
items and monetary donations, which is obviously preferred in either
a cash or check. Checks can be made out to
the ganderin Area Food Back Salvation Army Food Bank or
to the Gander Rotary. So they appreciate your assistance in
this regard. In advance, let's take our final break of
the morning and the week. Don't go away, welcome back

(01:58:40):
to the show. Let's go to line number three. Kevin,
you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (01:58:44):
How you doing, mister Daily, It's kind you good man.
Just make the comment on to dooming boom we got
going on in our world. There's a brightness to it.
The thing is is, I went to Dominion the other
the morning and I only had two items, and I

(01:59:05):
went to the checkout one checkout start a complaint and
the lady in front of me had a full couch.
You know what, I mean like if her groceries. And
I was stood there and I said, okay, always no problem.
And she looked at me and smiled and took the

(01:59:27):
the items I had, and I assumed that she was
letting me go ahead of her. So and she went
up to the checkout she said, I'll pay for these now,
my friend. That was the best thing and the brightest
thing happen to me in alarm wa. I loved her,

(01:59:47):
told her to have a good day and that I
would pay it forward. So there are good people out there,
so don't let you don't let it be blinded.

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
Thank you, and I'm glad you because look, there are
a ton of very difficult issues out there, no doubt
about it. There are a ton of people struggling. But
at the exact same time, there's good, generous, honest folks
out there doing good things and honest things every single day.
It was super for me to hear a good news

(02:00:19):
story today because I unfortunately don't get a lot of
them to share here in this program. So I'm glad
it happened to you, and I'm glad you plan on
paying it forward. Thank you, my friend, Appreciate your time.
Have a nice weekend, Kevin, you too, sir, Thank you byebye,
you know, every time and then I get a request
or requests that we should pick a day, you know,
once every couple of weeks or whatever the case may be,

(02:00:40):
where it's nothing but good news. Now it makes sense.
It's not exactly how the show was designed, but I'll
put it out there one more time. You know, you
hear some of the stories, you hear some of the
issues that we discussed here. But if you've got a
little chunk of good news or about an active kindness
or generosity that you want to share on the show,

(02:01:01):
it kind of becomes infectious. People here next thing, you know,
they're doing something similar where they live, if they have
the resources, are the capacities to do it? And one
more reminder, it costs absolutely nothing to be kind nothing,
zero sense. Let's got a line number five, Harry, you're
in the air.

Speaker 6 (02:01:18):
Oh yes, Padi, how are you doing about our got
dropped that, Tim right. I just wanted to call back.
I'm gonna keep you very long, but I just wanted
to take the last opportunities to appeal as well the
senior Susans to board with the pack with this book.
This time instead of the way we always bought, instead
of going to PC liberals, I those I'm repeat by.

(02:01:40):
I just said, Orry, if I just want to get
the point across for the pay it's going to give
us the most for the seniors we paid our tax
to the whole lifetime. I think we deserves a little
bit more out of us. That's all I have to
say it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
And I appreciate the time, Harry, thanks a lot.

Speaker 6 (02:01:54):
Thank you very much. Fatie.

Speaker 2 (02:01:55):
All right, but bye, yeah, and I'll go back to
the same old well on that particular conversation is if
we have income thresholds for qualifying for one thing or
another disability benefits and or aledged security or guaranteed income
supplement or whatever it is, we really you know, I
understand the conversation when people say we just need to

(02:02:17):
pay more on these types of pots of money, and
I'm not going to argue with that is. But the
conversation that does not get dealt with by politicians is
adjusting the threshold upwards. I mean, like even in old
aged security, and people were quick to take the government
to task about back in June twenty twenty two and

(02:02:39):
then increase Doleaged Security by ten percent, but only if
you were seventy five years of age of older. I mean,
we even had the part of me, the Minister of
Finance at the time, Christ Freeland, on the show and
ask her straight up why just seventy five plus as
opposed to sixty five plus. It was sort of a
nonsensical answer about you know, after seventy five you incurred
more bills medical or otherwise when give me a break

(02:03:02):
from sixty five up you have similar chances of falling ill.
And one thing that is indisputable is regardless of how
old you are as a senior citizen, if you go
to the grocery store, for instance, it costs us same
for everybody. There's no adjustment on price if you're sixty five,
sixty six or seventy six. Same thing when you go

(02:03:22):
to pay your insurance bill, or your home insurance, or
your cell phone bill or your internet bill. So the
argument bill basically, if they're being honest, it was simply
about money. To leave it at seventy five plus would
save the government millions and millions and millions of dollars
because they didn't cover all the folks that were in
between sixty five and seventy five. So it made no
sense to me on that front. And I'm not entirely

(02:03:45):
sure how we handle this or how we address this.
But with the new stats coming from Stats Canada regarding
the aging demographic of this province and again someday I
hope to be a senior is if there's fey five
percent of the people in the province who are sixty
five years of age or older, it's the first time
in history that any province has passed that threshold. The

(02:04:08):
median age in Newfoundland and Labrador is forty seven, which
is the highest in the country. It's one thing to
point it out. It'd be also extremely helpful if we
can hear from folks who are running for elected office
to tell us how they hear those numbers, what those
numbers mean to them, how we're going to adopt and
to craft public policy to accommodate those numbers, you know,

(02:04:30):
because I'm not going to say worse, but it is
going to change, and that trend will be upwards. Just
think about it. How many people in that age demographic
they've spent the last pick a number thirty forty years
living somewhere else in Canada, working, having a family and
upon retirement to come back to the roots and move

(02:04:52):
it back to the province. So it's impossible simply to
capture and look at the number of people living here
today and say, well, this fifty nine year old and
six years is going to be sixty five. By the
time of that fifty nine year olds turned sixty five,
there will inevitably be a bunch more folks at the
age of sixty five or older that are moving back
to the province for the first time in decades. So

(02:05:14):
just to look at the numbers as a quote unquote
snapshot in time is probably missing some of the important
features of that conversation because people want to come home.
I lived away. One of the things I wanted more
than anything else was to come home, and thankfully and
luckily we had the opportunity. I arrived on Thanksgiving Day
of the year two thousand. So looking at those numbers,

(02:05:35):
we've got to be careful that we include the others
who will be senior citizens moving back from wherever they
were over the number of years. Dave might taken that
or we're going to hold off and try to get
that called maybe on Monday, So we have possibly some
upgraded telephone systems just very quickly, so as faithful listeners

(02:05:55):
to the program, which I really appreciate is with the
interruptions with the phones and stuff here today, we're navigating
the best we can. There's new phone software that the
Kings obviously haven't all been worked out, but the engineering
department's working hard on it. So we hope to have
that all figured out for the program on Monday. I
know it's probably frustrating for the listener and for the

(02:06:17):
callers who've had their stream of consciousness or the stream
of thought interrupted, so hopefully we get that rectify. So
we appreciate your patients with sticking with us here today.
Final checking on the Twitter box before we run out
of time here this morning. We're a VOSM open line.
Please do indeed follow us here. Welcome any feedback or
commentary about what you heard on the show, whether I

(02:06:38):
said it or whether the callers said it, or suggested
content for anywhere into the future. We appreciate all of it.
Email addresses open on AFOSM dot com. One last reminder
for the folks out in the area of Gander in
the parking lot at the Gander Call up tomorrow being
done by the Rotary Club of Gander. There's a food drive.
There's two food banks out there and they are running

(02:06:58):
thin like most food banks. From nine to four tomorrow.
Please do, indeed bring along a non perishable and or
a monetary donation because we know the food banks are
neat and if you have the capacity to help, please do.
All Right, good show today, big thanks to all hands,
all the callers, listeners, emailers, tweeters. All right, we will
indeed pick up this conversation again on Monday morning right

(02:07:19):
here on VOCM and big Land FM's Open Line on
behalf of the producer David Williams. I'm your host, Patty Daily.
Have yourself a safe, fun happy weekend talk Monday. Bye
bye

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