Monday August 11th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line Call seven oh nine two
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Newfoundland and Labrador starts now. Here's VOCM Open Line host

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Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Monday, August
the eleventh. This is Open Line. I'm your host Patty Daily.
David Williams is producing the program. Let's get the week
off to a flying start. That requires your participation, So
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total free long distance one eight eight eight five ninety VOCM,
which is eighty six twenty six. So let's start with
a bit of softball on the world stage. Of course,
Team Canada with five representatives from this province as a
part of that team. The gold medal match and the
bronze medal match, they were both canceled due to weather.
I believe it was in Singapore, right, So there was
two gold medals and two Browns medals handed out. Canada

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comes home with bronze. They were scheduled to play Japan
in the Browns Medal game, but coming home with the Browns. Interestingly,
on that front, the All World Team as a result
of the competition at the Worlds this year. Bradley Ezekel
on the All World Team. So congratulations to Canada and
all the lads from here. We were part of that
bronze medal winning at the Worlds. Okay, Canada Summer Games.

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So curiously, I'm not exactly sure what people mean by
the fact that the game should not be going ahead
with the fires that are burning across the province. I'm
not sure what that means, but anyway, it's brutally hot
and in some areas may indeed be some air quality concerns.
Opening ceremonies were fantastic. I watched them. I didn't go
there live, I watched they were terrific and the excitement

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on the floor with all the athletes from right around
the country was palpable and so brilliant. Stuff. Off to
a good start for New Flannder Labrador, though, so Russell
Bowers asked me last week on Friday, any particular athletes
that I might be following, and of course for many
who will follow along with you with athletics is Gavin
Bags and in these fourth so pardon me. He's fourth

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Canada Games and he's on the podium for the first time.
Absolutely brilliant, silver medal in the four hundred meter freestyle.
He's not done. He's got four more events in the pool.
Then he turns his focus to the track where he's
competing in three different events. So amazing stuff. Congratulations the
Gavin Bags. And he admits he felt the pressure to
get it done, to get a medal, and lo and
behold boom, he got it done, silver medal. Good for him.

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Following along a little bit of baseball, maybe basically because
I'm a big baseball fan. So Newfolanda Labrador got off
yesterday to a one on one start, dropped the nine
three decisions of Nova Scotia, but met beat Manitoba ninety seven,
So still in the mix after day one. And they
played New Brunswick tonight at seven pm at SIMT Pat's Ballpark.
So good, good luck and go get him all right.

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Sticking with sports just for one more moment. So at
this moment in time, while the youth of the country
are participating in the Canada Summer Games, there's a swimmer
named Danielle Doors, twenty two year old from Monkin, New Brunswick.
She's swimming at the Canadian Short Course Championships in Sherbrooke, Qubec.
She's a Paris swimmer. She broke three world records in
three days at this particular event at the National's unbelievable stuff.

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She's got a world record in the hundred meter individual
medley she's won. She broke the world record twice on
Thursday in the fifty meter butterfly, and she's also got
the world in the fifty meter backstroke, set that world
record on Friday. Three world records in three days. Not
too bad, tull good for her, Okay, let's keep going.
So you don't need me to tell you about the fires.

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I mean, it's pretty extraordinary. Suff there's thousands of people
who have been evacuated from their homes. The folks who
are working to suppress the fires. It's just yeoman service
and be careful, be safe, and thank you very much
for what you're doing. All right, So last week we
were talking about the fact that the fine for setting
a fire during this province wide fire ban and the

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origional states of emergency that are in place the fire
was seventy five bucks. And for most people, you know,
with the absence of common sense, can considering how dry
it is, seventy five bucks, people are going to light fires.
We were told that the fines might increase somewhere around
fifty thousand dollars. Well, the fines now are up to
as much as one hundred and fifty thousand dollars and

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as up to as much as a year in jail.
All right, so obviously the problem says, you know, we
mean business fair enough, some of those fines and potential
jail times fire exceed the fines and potential jail time
for lots of serious crimes. But I suppose, given the
fact that even after the bands were announced, people continue
to light fires, which is extraordinary. You can call them

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whatever you like, oblivious or ignorant or idiot, whatever the
word is that you choose, but it's just madness. So
thankfully and hopefully we won't go any insofar as the
restrictions go. I understand why people are talking about the
things like in the province of Nova Scotia. You can't
even go for a walk in the woods. Let's not
get it to that. I mean, for folks fighting the

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firet just stop, just stop it. And for those who
are still hoping that there's no further restrictions in posts.
I get where you're coming from. I completely understand. But
while living amongst us are people who can see the
conditions under their feet, can feel the heat, and they
relentless heat and the complete absence of any rainfall. Of

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course it's particularly dangerous. So the fines are wild. And
you know people say with Cheeves, I mean not gonna
get contrunt driving and pay a lesser fine and maybe
not go to prison. You're right, then it's the concept
of potential jail time for people who break this or
ignore the fireban. I'm going to put it back out
there again. And it's not me saying it. It's the

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current government themselves talking about imposition of certain consequences if
you don't pay a fine, whether it be for a
traffic valiation or for contraband tobacco or whatever the case
may be. It's time to do something about that. And
I'm not suggesting we throw people in prison for not
paying a traffic ticket. Of course not I mean for
saturdays in order to put you into jails. But it's

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the whole concept of community service. I don't know why
people think that's a bad idea. I really truly don't.
I think it's an excellent idea and we should do
something about it. But for those who have been displaced
because the fires, hopefully your home is not burnt to
the ground. Hopefully we'll be able to go back to
your community as soon as possible. Hopefully we get some rain.

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And once again, for other provinces, we'll send some support,
whether we Quebec, around Tario or Brunswick. We appreciate it
and we will respond in kind if and when we
can into the future. But if you want to talk
about the fines and the approach the government's taken on
that front, we can do it. And yes, if some
of these fires, and some people in certain parts of
the province are talking about it's highly suspicious how so

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many fires are starting as to whether or not someone's
purposefully lighting them, investigated to the ends of the earth.
If you know someone who has done it, and guarantee it.
If someone has led a fire on purpose with the
intent to starting of wildfire. Someone else knows about it,
do the right thing. This person is not your friend,
they're not a friend of anybody. They're an arsonist, they're

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a criminals. So let's see what we can do about it. Oh,
just for context, and some of these fires are massive
and has pointed out by one person, talk about the
Kingston fire. It's growing dramatically, apparently not so much overnight.
But even if we just take the roundabout number of
forty nine hundred acres or hectares, if you are from
Saint John's or you are familiar with the geography of

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the city, here's just for context, how big that fire
would be. It would stretch from Signal Hill to the
southeast tip of Windsor Lake to Rotary Sunshine Park Embowering
Park roughly. So obviously a massive fire, and we can
take it on from the angle if you're so inclined. Okay,
let's get into some job numbers from last week on

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the national front. Not good after pretty good jobs reported
in June July, the country shed some forty eight hundred jobs.
There's a variety of reasons why, and we can dig
into it if you are so inclined once again in
this problems a little bit more encouraging. Unemployment numbers fell
to nine point nine percent in July from ten point
five in June, so nationally the numbers holding pretty steady

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at six point nine percent. The job is rad in
the city of Saint John's fell a six point seven
percent from six point eight percent, so not a lot.
But the big concern for many is youth employment. I
try to speak with people or in the position to
hire folks, whether it be students or otherwise, especially in
the summer months when business does pick up, especially on
things like the hospitality sector. Youth employment numbers from ages

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fifteen to twenty four the biggest employment drop in July.
It's a tough market out there. It is My kids,
for the most part, fall very close to or in
that category, as well as many of my family friends
have children in the age demographic looking for work and
having a hard time securing it. There are some jobs
out there that people don't want. Okay, When I speak

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with people who are hiring, especially in the summer, and
I ask them specifically, what has changed, and they say
not much except for the fact that they're wanting to
or leaning towards trying to hire people who will be
seeking full time, permanent employment. So the cost of training
in the job market is very significant, and it's a

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cost of many who are owning their own business would
try to avoid. So if someone comes in that says
they're not going back to school in September, they're looking
for a job, they're going to stick it out long term.
Those are the people getting the jobs. But that does
not solve or settle the issue for so many of
our youth who are looking for a job, especially in
the summer months, and can't get it. So that number
is very, very stubborn. I'm not sure what the answer is,

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but employment numbers in this province not a bad report. Nationally,
not great, even if the employment rate is holding relative
tiply steady at six point nine percent. All right, one
second sip of coffee, we're back, all right. Someone told
me the email that I don't talk about issues regarding
costs of living, which of course is nonsense, because they

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do housing couple of things. So there is no longer
a mortgage stress mortgage stress test for renewing your mortgage,
but the risk for getting into the market. We talk
about the cost of rent. We talk about the price
of homes and the competitive market that it is, but
the stress test has been a real onerous task for

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people trying to get in as first time home buars.
There's been a bunch of federal programs to try to
assist on that front, but that has not been settled
because how many people struggling to come up to down payment.
Number one, and if you look at meetian earnings in
this country and trying to buy home, let's just round
numbers as four hundred thousand dollars. It can take median
earners years of saving, which is very difficult for the

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most part, for most Meetian earners in the country, years
to come up with a down payment. Then you see
whether it be your parents or your grandparents cashing in
some of the equity of their own home to assist you,
which might indeed be good for the economy, but of
course has long term consequences for folks who are cashing
in on some of their equity of their own home
to try to help their children or their grandchildren. Next

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in housing is what people are calling horizons one oh six.
Most people know it as the comfort in airport road
here in the City Saint John's. So the concept of
transitional housing makes sense to me. Homelessness comes with an
exorbitant cost on a variety of fronts. I'm almost tired
of pointing to it. But even if you just look
at healthcare, which me and you pay for, it's not free.

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It's universal. The study done at the University Hospital in Toronto,
when we talk about people who are our house versus
folk who are homeless, the numbers are clear. Those who
are homeless with their chronic underlying conditions spelled twice as
long in hospital consequently costs twice as much. We got
to get this right. Whether or not you think the
province is on the right track with the concept of

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transitional housing, we can talk about it. But now we
know that when the province decided to lease the comfort
in versus trying to buy the comfort in, and we
know they didn't even consider it. How do I know
that because I asked the Ministry responsible that question on
this program, did we consider buying it? The answer was no.
Now Here we go. The property has since been sold

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and now consequently the province has to go to the market,
has issued an IRFP to try to come up with
the next follow up solution, given the fact that the
comfort in the Horizons one oh six looks like it's
going by the wayside, they talk about looking for our
partner or partners to create and operate six teams of
transitional and support of housing. Tony Wakem, of course, leader

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of the PC's has talked about bringing in the Auditor
General to examine the original deal, and fair enough, I
appreciate the work the Auditor General does, but it continues
to beg the question, how and why did we not
examine buying a property. It's the exact same thing can
to be associated with the old Costco build against the
Avangor drive. It was for sale, a private company bought it.

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We are paying for the renovations. We're paying for an
extended lease, which no question in anybody's mind who's looked
at the math. Had we bought it and paid for
the renovations of our own accord with our own tax dollars,
we'd be ahead of the game. So I'm just mind
boggled as to how we find ourselves in that particular circumstance.
But if you want to take it on, we can
do it all right, I guess, thankfully. The whole concept

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of the fixed link has a reinvigorate conversation, certainly in
my email inbox and with some calls on this program.
People get cross when we point to the numbers. But
this will only be decided based on numbers. That's what
it will be. Won't be necessarily political, even though there's
always politics involved with these massive infrastructure programs. We don't
know whether or not it has been further broached by

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Premier Hogan with the Minister regarding all these nation building projects,
but we don't need to examine that much further given
the fact that the Libers have Bottery toll is it's
a nation building project and that definition. I'll leave it
up to you. I'm already bringing forward the numbers that
we have. That's all I know. The next logical step
in this process is to go to the market to
see who's willing and wanting to build it, what they

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think is going to cost, and their predictive volume of traffic,
because that would be the business model, because it will
be a P three and there will be a all.
So I know someone wants to call about it again today.
And I enjoyed the fixing conversation because for a while
it was all the rage, whether it be folks in
the Great Northern Peninsula or the South coast or in Labrador,
or the potential for additional tourism traffic. We can take
it on in addition to the whole concept of Marine

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Atlantic and how it is or is not working. If
you want to talk about it, we can do it
all right. Uh, for some reason, someone wants me to
talk about the by election in Battle River Crowfoot. It's important.
I mean, Pierre Poliev is the leader of the party,
currently without a seat after losing his federal riding that
he's had for while I think seven successive elections in Ontario,

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and he's running Alberta. I mean that district went to
mister Koric to be the CPC candidate. I think he
got eighty two percent of the vote. So there's no
reason to think mister Polio is not going to win
in his by election. What comes up on the eighteenth,
advanced polls are open. The one point people are making
is that there's something either a rye or a problem

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associated with his long ballot. And look, I think there's
over two hundred candidates and in some part it feels
a bit ridiculous. I understand that how that can keep anybody,
including your preferred candidate, from winning, I don't understand. All
you have to do is find their name and their
party affiliation, put the X where you're supposed to put
the X, and Bob's your uncle. But the concept of

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trying to make it harder for people to run is
also strange position to take in my personal opinion. I mean,
isn't the want for the most of society's to make
it easier for people to run for elected office. Look,
I know that ballot that is taller and longer than
me is a consideration that we should be you know,

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our conversation, we should be considering. But making it more
difficult I'm not so sure what we benefit from that
particular strategy. But anyway, Yes, that by election is on
and the advanced polls are open, and yes there's no
reason to believe but conservative candidate it's not going to
win in the heartland of conservative politics in this that
province and in this country. So eighty two percent went
to mister Couric, and yet there's something to be asked

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about what he was gaining by giving up a seat
for mister Polium's opportunity to get back into the House
of Commons. Anyway you want to take it on, we
can do it. How are we doing on the phone,
Dave two? A bit of a start here, all right,
and anything under the sun from the biggest issues on
the face of the earth regarding Ukraine and what's going
on in Gaza and some of the most recent commentary

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associated with that particular conflict. Rough Ford. We're on Twitter
where vosim opoulon you know what to do? Follow Sarah.
I think it's probably worth my while and your wife
and for all of us to consider what we see
in deducing whether or not it's real or fake, and
the whole concept of artificial intelligence. I'm going to keep
beating the drum because yes, there are going to be

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huge advantages in many arenas of society using artificial intelligence.
Now it soaks up way too much power for to
be worth its while. But what we're seeing that's generated
by AI is becoming more and more flagrant. Now that's
probably poor choice words, it's more and more prevalent. What
we don't know is how we're going to get to

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a place where when artificial intelligence is used to generate
whether it be a meme or whatever it is, or
a video or an audio file. It's for it to
not be labeled as AI generated is going to be
a bigger problem in the future, and I think we're
going to have to grapple with it very soon, if
not today. What it means inside the education system in

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this country to pretend that the country's youth are not
using large language models like chat GPT to take some
of these stress off of their workload academically speaking, I
think is just burying our head in the sand, and
it's going to be a problem. Taking from the folks
at MIT when they talk about trying to write an
essay for your SATs three control groups, wasn't using chat,

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GPT on, wasn't using Google one, just using their brain.
The outcomes were crystal clear. Anyway you want to take
that on, we can do it. We are on the
Twitter box, as I said, we're bocim openline, we're taking
your emails. Let's open line a BOSM dot com. When
we come back, let's kick off the week with a
great show. That means you're in the queue, just like
a caller. Talk about doctor Shortage's up lab West. Then
we're gonna talk some of the issues of regarding the
forestry and being reimbursed or some financial support coming from

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either of the Feds. Out in Adam's Cove, we talked
about the disaster relief and or the provincial government who
said they'd come to your aid and they haven't so far. Anyway,
let's take that on and whatever you want to talk
about right after this, don't go away, welcome back to
the show. I think I had seen this, but it
just fell out of my mind. Is the considerations that
the coelection on Battle River Crawford, So the concerns with

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the long ballot and people apparently can't find a name
that they're looking to vote for. Now they're going to
do it just like an advanced ball like a special ballot.
You go ahead and write the name in yourself. So
that should be the end of the concern offered by
folks in that for writing. What do you think? All right,
let's see he let's begin this morning on top of
the boardline number one, Good morning, call her. You're on
the air. Good morning, A little bit nervous, you take

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your time, go right.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
I went up to offs Bilt in Labradoris on Friday night,
very sick, lady. I was there for nine hours. And anyway,
after the nine hours that the nurse came out and
she said, we got five or six emergencies inside and
we can't pull anybody else in because we got a

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very very sick people inside. So anyway, after the nine hours,
I came home, very very sick. Lady came home and
we're all out of that gospel. And she came out
twice and give me peels from my pain. I have
a big medical problem. I have to have a doctor.

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I don't have a doctor. I had a doctor for
forty one years and he took sick and I don't
have a doctor now. So in Labrador West our doctors.
We have four doctors in Labradoists. The nurses work very
very ard and the doctors. So I think the government

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should really really look at Labrados because you know, we
don't have anything. We don't have anything in Labradost. We
have four minds in Labrados and we have four doctors.
So do you tell me this is right? I think

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the government got to do something. We at Labrador rest
right now. I think we should get on the ball
right away today because you know, I went over there
a very very sick person. But I still haven't seen
the doctor. So, you know, I just don't know what
to do anymore. I don't I just don't know what

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to do anymore.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Right for statdays, How are you feeling today?

Speaker 4 (21:26):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
I'm not well because I got I got a really
a medical problem. You know, I'm a senior, and that a.
You know, but we can't blame it on our hospital.
We can't blame on our doctors. We can't blame it
on our nurses because they work very, very hard. The government.

(21:48):
We have to blame it on the government because you're
going to have to bring doctors in our area, you know.
And that A. But I just kind of not complain.
I just wanted to get on to rise my opinion.
As a senior in Labrador risks and going to doctors

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and can't see a doctor.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
I understand. I think it's a similar conversation in other
parts of rural remote Newfoundland and Labrador and rural remote Canada.
It's becoming increasingly difficult by the look of things. I
tried to look around the country at other smaller parts
of whether it be Alberta, Ontario, Quebec, PC, whatever the case,
may be all provinces are putting forward a bunch of

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financial incentives, including this province, you know, for family doctors
specifically and other healthcare professionals to live and to work
in places like lab West and happen a devil of
a time. And I think there's a bunch of reasons why.
I mean, if we talk to say the NLTA regarding teachers,
if we speak with nl Health Services and the Medical Association,
you know, there's a bunch of reasons inside the calculation

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for a doctor or nurse or whoever to work in
lab West or anywhere else. It's things like housing. And
if they can't find housing, then people aren't going to move.
If there's an issue regarding the cost of travel in
and out, that's a consideration that I think some of
these healthcare pros use when they decide whether or not
they want to take a job. So for you, in
your position as a senior citizen who's on well, what

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do you think the government should be doing that they're
not doing to try to bring some doctors back to
your area.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
They don't do nothing for Labrador Rests. We had Jordan Brown,
but he gave up. He was fighting for us in
Labrador withs I must say he was fighting for us.
But I don't know where to turn as good. Many
like me don't know where to turn because the government

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don't even look at us in Labradors. They don't even
look at you know, Okay, wow, we need doctors in
Labrador rests. What are you going to do for doctors?
Got Fermont, Labrador City, Labush, what are you going to do?

(24:05):
You've got no doctors. You got no doctors for doctors,
and it's frightening. It's frightening. I've a air for fifty
five years and Labrador is the last two years I
never had a doctor.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
E took sick.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
And I'm scared.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Okay, I understand, I do.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
I wonder what people think. I've said this a few times.
Some people push back, but I'll throw it out through again.
Is when it comes to things like access to healthcare
and childcare and education and housing. For the companies that
read enormous profits from operations in Labrador, I wonder should
they play a bit more overall, especially on housing, not

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necessarily on healthcare, because I mean, I'm not expecting a
private company to hire a doctor necessarily. But when it
comes to childcare and for housing and the like. I
think the corporations also play a role, or at least
they should. What do you think?

Speaker 3 (25:09):
I definitely one hundred percent a government, the government, you know,
I mean, this is a rich, rich, rich town in
this in our towns is a rich town that all
those minds, all those minds in our towns for doctors.
Come on, guess is outrageous. You know, all those big

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taxes going out of it. I pay taxes. I'm a senior.
I say I pay taxes. All these taxes going out
of Fermont, three minds in Labrador risks. You know, it's
it is rejectless, ridiculous, ridiculous. And I'm not a complainer.
I'm a very patient person. I'm not a complainer. But

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today I had to get on open line and tell
you my story because you know, one of these days
is something on that drastic and we don't have a
doctor's here in our town.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
I completely understand where you're coming from, and I hope
you're going to be okay.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Thank you very much for listening to my program. And
I'm so excited that I put this very very thing
out this morning. Is serious, very serious, and thank you
for listening to me and as much appreciate.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
It's my pleasure. Take good care.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Thank you very very much.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
You're welcome. Bye bye. That was me. I think she
hung up before even has a chance, all right, Tier,
So it's a fair conversation, you know, specifically on housing,
I really do firmly believe that the corporations, whether it
be through the benefits agreements, you know, as opposed to
just a strict reliance on royalties coming from the mining
sector that goes straight into the government coffers. Whether or not,

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it's a good idea for the benefits agreement to also
include things like the provision of housing. I mean, the
best part or the best outcome for the region and
for the problems at large is if we have not
work camps fly and fly out, but if people are
living and working in the area, and so the provision
of housing, if just imagine the royalty that would be used,

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for instance, to build, say, I don't know, pick a number,
a sixty unit apartment building that would initially house employees
working at one mine or one operation or another, and
that would remain in the ownership of the province even
after the mine is done. We're constant upkeeping, renovations and modernization.
You know, just makes sense to use some of the
monies as opposed to just at the whim of government

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from the treasury if it had very specific purposes baked
into the benefits agreement. I don't know what you think
about that, but we can talk about that or whatever
you want right after this. Don't away. Welcome back to
the show. Let's go to line number five. Adam, you
around the are, Hey, how's it going? Okay? How about you.

Speaker 7 (28:00):
Trying to get a work done before it gets too
hot to work outside again?

Speaker 8 (28:06):
I was just gonna have a chat.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (28:07):
There's been a lot of conversation lately about the fixed
link Labrador.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
There has been, Yeah, I think mostly reinvigorated based on
things like Marine Atlantic and the cutting of passenger fares
but not commercial fares and our contact or our link
to the mainland. So I think that's been part and
Parson broad people are thinking and talking more about the
fixed link these days.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's necessary. I think it's
a great idea. I do have some concerns about the
way that I've heard them talking about going about it,
like is it still the plan that they're going to
do like a rail tunnel, is that.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
The base plan that has been the most recent proposal.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
Yes, in my opinion, if that's what they're planning on doing,
I don't think there's any point in even doing it.
I mean, if we're trying to make like an accessible
link between Newfoundland Labrador, you know, Newfoundland and the mainland Canada,
and they're trying to make it efficient and you know,

(29:13):
to help traffic on the onto and off of the
island and stuff like that, I mean, I mean, I
think people should be able to just come and go.
I mean, if you're going to be just making a
rail link through a tunnel, I mean, that's that's just
going to be you know, you're not gonna be able
to just come and go as you please. It's going
to be the same as Marine Atlantic. You're going to
have to book an appointment, book a crossing, wait for

(29:34):
your car to get loaded on and all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 8 (29:37):
So I think we're just.

Speaker 7 (29:39):
Going to be introducing a new thing that can have
problems in the future. We're going to have the same
capacity issues and things like that. And I mean, right
now they're talking about the potential for adding another vessel
for the marine Atlantic crossings. But I mean, if if
that rail tunnel becomes at max capacity, you know it's

(29:59):
not going to be as simple as adding another train
to the tunnel. You know you're gonna have to build
a second tunnel, which is not going to be feasible.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
I'd love to have someone from ARAP. That's the most
recent numbers we have from an engineering company called called
ARAP after the Hatch report in twenty eighteen. I'd like
to understand a bit more about this rail system issue. Like,
I mean, of course I'm the furthest thing from an
expert on that front, But why would it be anything
simpler than just having a tunnel if and when it

(30:30):
ever gets built? And I drive my vehicle in, like
I'm going through an underpass around bowering pack, Like, what
is the issue regarding a rail system? I don't even
understand the whole concept, to be honest with you, as
opposed to simply treat it like a bridge like the
Confederation Bridge. I drive my vehicle in, whether it be
a transport truck or my pickup truck, and I just go,

(30:51):
I don't even understand why that's the thing.

Speaker 8 (30:54):
Yeah, I think that's the only way to go about it.

Speaker 9 (30:56):
Really.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
You know, if you're going to be putting the tunnel
in there, will I go about this whole extra step
of adding a rail based system inside the tunnel.

Speaker 8 (31:04):
You know you're gonna have to put the.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
Tunnel through anyway, so why don't you just do it
in a way that vehicle traffic can travel through it?

Speaker 2 (31:12):
I don't know. I mean, if you read the report,
which I did, they simply say it is the least
expensive option. So based on exactly what, I can't remember
if I saw any cost comparisons with just simply building
a tunnel that is, in essence, just an underground highway
as opposed to an eighteen kilometer rail system, i'd really

(31:33):
I'm going to see if I can't get some from ARAP.
I think I have the name of one of the
co authors of the paper. I'm going to chase that
a little bit and get someone, you know, get the
information right from the horse's mouth, as they say.

Speaker 7 (31:43):
Yeah, I definitely like to know, you know, what is
the justification of why they're planning about going about it
that way, Because, like I said, you know, if you're
going to do a rail system I mean there's going
to have to be an operator of the rail system.
You're going to have the book a crossing with them.
It'll be the same as marine Atlantic, where you'll have
to know you'll have capacity issues, You'll have to try
to wait for vehicles to get loaded on board and

(32:04):
wait for specific crossing times, rather than being able to
just you know, when you arrive at the matter for
the tunnel, just keep driving. I don't really understand what
the benefit is to a rail system.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I'm not sure either, but you know, we can talk
about at least expensive option, so it says Arab. But
then the comparison to out of the costs that have
worked or look different. I don't know, but I'd really
like to get someone on to explain the calculus behind
these assertions brought forward in the report. And I mean
the numbers have changed dramatically. And again this is not
a new conversation. This is as old as Joey Smallwood.

(32:39):
So no one's ever done much beyond just give it
a definition as a nation building project, or to say
it's a good thing, or to say it's required. I
mean even just the completion of Route one thirty eight.
Apparently that number has been updated to be somewhere in
and around three billion dollars. I saw it on like
three billion dollars. It can't be that much, but those

(33:00):
of the numbers floating around. So myself and Dave we're
go to see if we can't get one of those
co authors to come on on the program and help
us break it down into more easy to understand bite
sized morsels.

Speaker 7 (33:11):
Yeah, yeah, that'd be great. So I'd like to get
more information on it, for sure.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, me too. Anything else you want to talk about.

Speaker 10 (33:16):
This morning, Adham, No, it's it's amated morning.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Appreciate your time, Take care, Adam. Bye bye. It's a
fair question, you know, we're told just in simple terms,
the least expensive option is this rail tunnel as opposed
to just a tunnel like an underpass, as you know,
been eighteen kilometers under the sea floor obviously. But yeah,
it'd be nice to little bit more on that front.

(33:39):
Let's keep rolling here. Let's go to LNE number four. John,
you're on the air.

Speaker 11 (33:44):
Good morning, Patty, big fan of your show and appreciate
having me up.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Appreciate your time.

Speaker 12 (33:50):
So I wanted to call.

Speaker 11 (33:52):
I've noticed just in the last few days the City
Saint John's official Facebook page has been sharing and directing
the public to Danny Breen's personal electro page for mayor,
sharing his personal posts and promoting his campaign. Is this
standard practice?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I don't know, But if the as a taxpayer here
in the City of Saint John's, if I go to
their website or their Facebook page or wherever, I just
want information. I don't want to talk about any particular
candidate running for reelection or new candidates who's going to
be on the ballot for the first time. That's not
what I'm going there for. I'm going there for recycling information,
or for dump information, or for garbage collection, not talking

(34:29):
about the politics of it all. I agree with you
or the you know, the games.

Speaker 11 (34:35):
I mean, I'm a big supporter of the games. I
think we should go on and be able to see
the games. But in the last couple of days I've seen,
and in particular, there's two pictures I've seen. I don't
know how many other posters did. There's two pictures of
showing Danny Breen electing for mayor. And I don't think
I think that's a direct conflict of interest personally, as
a voter here in the Saint John's area. I think

(34:57):
it's a disgrace.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
As we are talking, I have not seen it because
I will admit I spend very little time on Facebook
when I don't have to be doing it to look
for actual information. Let's see here, if I can see
what you're looking at, Citius and John's, Okay, not this
city Saint John's, Michigan. That's not going to do it,
all right. I'll have a look when I get a

(35:20):
bit more time here. But the bottom line for me is,
you know, a couple of quick questions. Look, I don't.
Is there someone running against Danny Breen for the mayors
chair Sheil Larry, though she's running for the NDP of
the provincial election. Ivy Handley's running opposed to Danny Breen.
So if Danny Brien, the current mayor, is able to
have his re election hopes posted on the city's Facebook page,

(35:40):
so should I be Handley. But ultimately I'll suggest neither
one of them should be able to put it there.

Speaker 11 (35:45):
Well, I totally agree. I think it should be fair.
I mean, I mean, in my opinion, it's the political
advertising on the city's done. I mean, the municipal government
should be unbiased. Shouldn't be a referee. It should be
a referee, not a player, you know what I mean.
And I've seen these posts. I've seen the second post
last night and the first one. The first one shared

(36:07):
his direct Facebook page with a picture saying elect Danny Breen.

Speaker 12 (36:11):
And that's what got me.

Speaker 11 (36:13):
That's why I kind of started to boil my blood
because I don't I don't believe that that should be anything.
I'm from the city of Saint John's, which is public,
it's a public platform, and I don't think it should
be biased in any way.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, you know, so let's just take this a step further.
Even if you're someone who supports Danny Breen and fair enough,
and you plan on voting for Danny Breen in October, okay,
but into the future, there might be a mayoral candidate
who you do not support. So do you at that
point I want to have that person's campaign page featured
on a city website or Facebook page. The short answer

(36:46):
to that is no, So nipping in in the bud.
If it's something you favor today, it might be something
you're not in favor of tomorrow, So let's just not
allow it. It shouldn't be part of it, because those
pages are for information, not about the politics of one
candidate or another. I'm with one hundred percent. I didn't
even see it, but I'm going to have a look
for John.

Speaker 13 (37:03):
All right.

Speaker 11 (37:03):
Well, I appreciate you having me on, and I just
wanted to bring that to the public's attention, you know,
because I listen to your show every day, and I
think your listeners should be aware.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Of that, absolutely, right, I mean we could extend that
to provincial government web pages and Facebook pages, federal government
official websites and Facebook pages. It should be for the
information for the actual operations of government, not the political operations.

Speaker 11 (37:27):
Absolutely. It doesn't matter if it's provincial, federal, it doesn't matter.
It should still be the same standard practice.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah, I think you're onto something, and I had not
seen it, but I freely admit I've spent as little
time as possible on social media these days, just because
it's really overwhelming sometimes.

Speaker 14 (37:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (37:44):
Well, you know, like I'm vested into this election. In
all elections, I'm a voter. I like to I like
to express my democratic rights, and I've just seen this
online and I thought that the public should know.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
One Dred percent. John really appreciate making time for the show,
and thanks for tuning in. Thank you, Thanks, You're welcome. Byebye.
That's a fair point. I didn't know that was going on,
to be honest with you. And again just to reiterate,
this is not about Danny Breen necessarily. This is just
about pragmatic operations of the web domains. I mean, they're important.
It's the real go to for a lot of people

(38:20):
to get just some basic information and in this case
the city Saint John's what's going on, whether it be
the summer games or anything else here. So if you
support breed, that's fine by me. If you don't also
find by me. But into the future, if it's something
you like today, you might not like it tomorrow. So
let's just avoid it. Let's simply not do it. Let's
go ahead and take a break. When we came back,
tony'szer to respond to Adam regarding the rail to propose

(38:42):
rail Link. There's a caller that wants to talk about
forestry and the wildfire shoutdown. Richard wants to talk about
a wheelchair related matter, and then we're speaking with you.
Don't go away back to the program. Let us go
to where line number three. Richard, you're on the air,
Morning Patty, morning to you.

Speaker 15 (39:00):
Yes, I got an issue now, Patty with little wallback.
I'm a sick time car and I'm in trouble now
with my mobile wheelchair. I brought it to the Central.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Medical and the said there's issue with a with a code.

Speaker 15 (39:22):
Or something and they can't get their part from it.
So I was wondering if I I'm looking for another
one if I can.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Okay, So it can't be repaired or the repairs are
too costly or what's the issue there, Richard, pardon me?

Speaker 15 (39:38):
Well, yeah, yeah, they said they can't.

Speaker 11 (39:41):
There's no more parts for it.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Okay, there's no more parts for it.

Speaker 15 (39:46):
And I'm I'm here now, I'm still in the same
spot that I can't get out and enjoy the water
or nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Okay. So basically you need some support in trying to
get a replacement for you are now broken mobility wheelchair.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Right exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, okay, So just a couple of things that you
might be able to try. There's a possibility you might
have some luck if you call the hub here in
the city of Saint John's. There's also possibility you might
have some luck if you call the Canadian Red Cross,
because they sometimes they will have this type of equipment
on hand for either loan or rent or lease or
to just to give you. So I try those two

(40:25):
or have you already tried.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
No, I never tried.

Speaker 15 (40:31):
No, but the one now that I got, now, Patty,
the wall back that I got, the one from the Hub.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Okay, so you've already dealt with the Hub once. Every
now and then I hear from folks at the Hub,
whether it be Tom or Walter. They call the show
talk about some of the things they have on hand,
other devices, walkers and canes and wheelchairs and the like.
So give another shot. You never know, you might have
some luck there. If not, they might be able to
put you onto another direction. Thanks, Patty, good luck with it, Richard.

(41:01):
Let me know how you make out. I will yeah, okay,
good man, stay in touch, Okay, all right? Bye bye.
And if Tom or Walter or anybody else who's at
the Hub and is familiar with exactly what's on hand,
if you give me the updated information, I'll be happy
to share. Let's go to line number two. Good morning, Naman,
you're on the air.

Speaker 14 (41:22):
Good morning, Patty, how are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Very well? Thanks thanks for asking. How about you? And
it's a naming, is it?

Speaker 16 (41:28):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Name and welcome to the show. What's on your mind?

Speaker 14 (41:31):
Well, actually right now I'm calling here because we got
a couple of wood contractors here in this area and
I know we got the fire man on and everybody
have been shut down.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (41:45):
I understand that everything is quite dry and that one
thing and another, But I'm what they're concerned about is
who is going to subsidize their lost time. You know,
these guys are going to lose.

Speaker 8 (41:56):
A lot of money.

Speaker 14 (41:58):
They got the equipment rent or payments they got up
keep up equipment. Probably because it's very long to shut down,
they're not going to reach their timber quotas. Therefore they're
going to lose money at that. I'm just wondering if
the government considered, like, you know, subsidizing these workers, Like
we got probably three four five contractors here on an

(42:21):
Rthern peninsula in the Roddington plum Point area, Mainbrook area,
and you know, these guys are concerned, you know what's
going on. How long are we're going to be out?
Can the government give us any subsidy to help pay
our bills. Why we're out, you know, out of the woods.
You know, they're complying with a provincial injunction against them

(42:42):
that they can't go in and operate because at the
dry conditions, which is understandable, and like you know, I'm
just wondering if there's anything if missus Dempster or or
mister Ogan, you know, can answer, you know, some of
these questions. For these people, it's you know, it's a
concern an issue here in this area, and it's the
only industry that we have, and when you shut down,

(43:04):
it's a lot of lost revenue, not only for the
contractors but also for the community itself.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Of course, I don't know the answers to the question
as to whether or not there's any support coming for
industry that is unable to proceed given the conditions. But
to be honest, I didn't know that commercial forestry operations
had been shut down because of the band.

Speaker 9 (43:24):
Well.

Speaker 14 (43:24):
I talked to one of the contractors as a matter
of fact, on Thursday or Friday, and he told me
that they have been told to that they have to
stop operations because of the conditions and that so that's
what I'm hearing from the contractor. So I said that
I would poist it today on your program, Patty. You'll

(43:45):
see what kind of response I can get there from
the governmentator, from the Minister of Forestry and Agriculture, our
from the Premier himself, like you know, these guys are concerned.
They've been told to come out of the world from
my understanding from talking to one of the local contractors
here this week, and you know they are concerned, Like

(44:07):
you know, like I said, they got bills to pay,
they got families to fete, and you know they're losing.
They're losing production and b K if you lose production,
as you know, and I know they lose money.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, and that has reple efect, right, So it's the
individual's own wages, it's the company's revenue and or profit.
It's the money that won't be spent at the local
shops and the like. So yeah, all of these things
have an impact beyond just one person's earnings. But I
don't as I said, I don't know the answer, but
I can try to get it. I'm not even sure
I heard specific mention of commercial forestry operations from the government.

(44:43):
I've heard French people say, hey, why tell me that
I can't. You know, it hasn't happened in this province
as if yet. But why tell me that I can't
go in with my own ATV, for instance, and have
a spin in the woods versus some of the risks
associated with these commercial logging operations. So I hadn't heard it,
but I will zip off an email. It's probably only
going to be information we can get from, whether it

(45:04):
be the Department of Finance or Treasury Board or the
Premier's office. The Department of Forestry is pretty much an
operational issue as opposed to a you know, subsidy pot
of money department. But I'll see what I can find out.
That's a good question.

Speaker 14 (45:20):
And something else there like little I can touch on
company that the lady there from Larbrador West brought up
there about the elthcare in Larbrado or West. Uh like
when I'm here in rural Newfouland and uh you know,
uh our health care here in Roddington have you know
went down substantially, uh you know over the last few years.

(45:42):
And you know not only in Larbrador West. I mean
we almost got our health care here in Roddington area
right now. Is is just all we got is a
walk in planic. Really we don't have you know, I
think we got one doctor here that serves something like
one to each three, four or five, probably six communities

(46:02):
here on the east side of an order in Peninsula.
And it's not only concerned in larbrad Or West, but
our elthcare seems to be a concern run across the province, Patty,
and it's getting to the point where it becomes frustrated.
I have a doctor that has to drive to Snatty
every day just to get prescription.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah. No, Look, the healthcare issue is obviously very very real.
There's lots of great professionals working in the healthcare system.
Once you get in, it's probably going to be for
the most part, excellent treatment and bedside matter. But the
wait times and the geographical challenges that people experience in
this province around the country is obviously very very real.

(46:44):
What I'll have a hard time understanding is we're told
there are more doctors and more nurses working in this
province today than ever before, and yet the concerns regarding
way times, and yet the issue regarding access to primary care,
whether it be family doctor rather wise is maybe getting better,
but nowhere close to the way it should be working.

Speaker 14 (47:07):
I don't even think the province is in the ballpark
right now because actually, speaking on you know, the medical
medical issues and emergencies, say, I just had a brother
in law that had an iron attack and is probably
going to take him ten days, ten to twelve days
to get from San Antone into Saint John's to see

(47:27):
a specialist. Now, in my opinion, Patty, there's definitely something
wrong with this picture.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yeah, I mean, no Argumentaire. I think into the future,
what we see in rural parts of the country, if
it's bad today, it's likely only going to get worse.
And why I say that is because the healthcare professionals
are in such high demand, and they're very mobile, and
they can pick and choose exactly where they want to

(47:56):
work in this country or and around the world. That
you know, for people, look, I mean there's going to
be some let's just say doctors. There's going to be
some doctors who are maybe born and raised in rural
and remote Canada and they're more than happy with that lifestyle,
more than happy to go back to where they came
from to provide those healthcare services. But for others, whether
it be the money they make and amenities they'd like

(48:17):
to be close by, and the issues for costs of
travel in and out and access to housing that they want.
I think what we see is just going to be
a bigger problem into the future. Certain provinces are tackling
it a little bit differently, like they've set up rural
training hubs, like, for instance, Kate Brighton to try to
service rural Nova Scotia in Alberta. They're doing the same thing.

(48:38):
They're bringing the training to where people are because I
think it just makes sense. The folks who are most
inclined to work in rural Canada are folks from rural Canada.
Now that's a broad generalization that I know is, you know,
not a great way to talk about things. But I
think it's more likely that are from a small town
in Alberta or Ontario, Quebec or this province. I'm probably

(48:59):
more like you go work there than someone who's from
Toronto or Vancouver or Calgary or Saint John's. I know
that's not one hundred percent the case, but I don't
think I'm too far off. What do you think?

Speaker 14 (49:11):
No, I think you're right, Patty, Like you know, because
we don't have, like you said, the housing do we
have the structures, like you know, the big shopping malls
that the people are used to. We don't have the
attractions in rural Neophland. But but you know, I know
the government probably is trying to do it with subsidizations

(49:32):
and whatever, you know, to get people into rural Newphland,
but it doesn't seem like it's working. So you know,
you know, I got you know, like myself right now,
I'm a senior. I'm not o ho, but I'm a senior.
And like you know, I know that you know, down
the road, I'm going to need healthcare. I thank god
right now that I don't you know and that, but

(49:54):
you know, I see my mother as in a long
term care home here on in Peninsula, and you know,
they need medical attention and they need doctors, and especially
with an aging population, even more so in the future.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Patty, I completely understand where you're coming from. And you know,
the strategies that different provinces are trying are working in
some form or fashion, but not the way that look.
I mean, there's a political victory here for any politician,
any party, if they can provide you know, when I
hear people say that the government doesn't care. I'm not
so sure that really makes a whole lot of sense

(50:29):
to me. Can you imagine how many votes you'd win
because of, say, for instance, delivering X doctor to X
department in ex community. I mean, that's one of the
top of the mind issues for most voters. It really
truly is obviously the economy and taxes and all the
rest of it, but access to primary care is a
big obvious deal. Name, and I really appreciate the time, sir,

(50:49):
I gotta get to the newsbreak, but you're always welcome.

Speaker 14 (50:52):
Okay with Chatigan probably sometime in the future, Patty.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Same to you, Bye bye. And you know, just the
small clarification. Obviously, companies, including companies that operate in Labrador
mining and otherwise, they may indeed have rotational nurses coming
in and out and maybe have doctors on staff, whether
it be locals or otherwise. But if you're a company
and that does happen, and people are absolutely ready to
point that out, but of course that would already be

(51:16):
access to those healthcare professionals if you work in the
company or at the company. Let's see here, let's take
a break, don't go ahead, Welcome back to the program.
Let's go to line number five. Morning Frank, here around
the air, Hi, Frank.

Speaker 6 (51:35):
Not bad, Betty, how are you by?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
That's kind I'm kind of about the fine.

Speaker 6 (51:40):
Okay, So the prides, Now, what for stet the fire firefish.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Well, there's you know, first defense, second fans. But it
can be up to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
and up to a year in jail.

Speaker 12 (51:57):
Up to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (52:01):
So here I am.

Speaker 6 (52:03):
I'm with there gets me checked because it's two thousand
bre and I'm gonna have a fire pit there in
the front chair, and you're going to give me one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Fine, that's what I'm gonna say.
I'm work there for the rest of my life, buddy,
How are you going to get the money?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
That is well, for the vast majority of people, one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars is way out of reach.

Speaker 8 (52:31):
Like that.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
If I got one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, fine,
I'd end up to clin because I don't have the
money to pay. And I guess that's the point they're
making it so harsh, so severe, that they hope that
people will just simply not let a fire.

Speaker 6 (52:44):
They're hoping what about all the pads going around with
no insurance? Steady, when you get caught with no insurance,
get a twenty three hundred dollar fine, That's what it was.
And if you can't afford insurance, you can't afford a
twenty three hundred dollars fine. Is that right around?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Well, that's probably right. I mean there's for me though. Look,
if someone's driving around without a license or registration or
insurance and their argment is they can't afford it, well
that's sort of besides the point. I mean, the fact
of the matter is you're required by law to have them.
So you know, the cost issue. I get it. If
it's cost prohibited for someone and they still need to

(53:23):
get where they're going, fair enough, But there's a reason
why we require people have insurance on their vehicles.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
Don't say that, even the good map subject not saying
me when I'm getting it. Okay, we're all you on
that one time, Yes, that one time. We're all young. Huh,
so you're in all clare of that? Did get paid
four five hundred dollars. You don't want to go out
and jump the border and goap you know, let's face sticks.

(53:50):
So why would you come down with the fine? Give
somebody a chance to pay it, straighten their mos up
and get on with it instead of and then at
the end in a year or the government is, oh,
this much money, the government's own that much money. We
got someone here all forty thousand dollars worth of tickets.
We got someone who's fifty thousand dollars worth of tickets.

(54:12):
Eddy going to get a petty?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Probably not, you know, there's a the concept you can't
get blood out of a turn up.

Speaker 6 (54:21):
But and they're putting that person do with her for
the rest of their life. So they're paying them, and
they're buying another four hundred dollars pair, and they're going
on again. It shouldn't happen, though, I should know it
shouldn't happen. No, I know this shouldn't happen. The thing
shouldn't happen. The fine should be lower. At least that
way you're getting a chance to pay the fine and

(54:44):
straighten off their life.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
I don't know if there's a mechanism available, whether it
be for a outstanding traffic fine and or ignoring the
fireban fine to work out some sort of payment plan
with the governmental look out of the know if that's
going to be a thing to consider in the future.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
Fifty fifty thousand dollars, we're on a payment plan on that.
But I got a payment plan on that on somebody
on Yeah, we're out to the payment plan.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
I guess no more.

Speaker 6 (55:14):
Do you want beget a lasers?

Speaker 14 (55:15):
No more?

Speaker 6 (55:16):
Don't they get their DST no more? They won't may
get this no more. They won't better get that no
more because you have department money. So you're putting them
on there for.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
The rest of ours once your fire away to be
able to avoid that.

Speaker 6 (55:30):
In the government that comes up with these terrific fines,
amount of fines, there's got to be something wrong with them.
There's got to be something wrong. When I'm seventy five dollars, well,
I put it up with two on hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Well, I mean just from where I sit is a
sure fire away to avoid the fire for starting a
fire during the province wide fire band, simply just don't
start a fire. I mean that we're not really.

Speaker 6 (55:57):
Ask petty on that on pay I know that.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yeah, I know, I know that. Yeah, I just don't like.
I mean, there's plenty of examples where.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
The fella gets their drunk and he's gonna have a
fire pit. Yeah, he's gonna have the fire bit, he's
gonna go ahead with it. He got not in his name.
He got nothing to lose. He's living in probably living
in New Labada housing. He got not the lose. The
man that got something to lose is the man that
got to listen, got the go but a law. The
fella that got noneing in his name and he got

(56:28):
nothing to lose, he got nothing to worry about.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Well, he might have something to worry about.

Speaker 8 (56:34):
You got to worry about.

Speaker 6 (56:35):
Betty lived on the Westbord rests like four or five mens.
Lots of baby mom'st los of Westboro coming into the wall. Baby.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I appreciate the time, Frank, thanks for calling.

Speaker 6 (56:46):
Appreciate it to bed, stay in touch.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Man, appreciate it all right, see Frank. I mean, look,
people can give me examples of where I'm gonna goes
too far, and I got it. But if the one
rule here is considering the extraordinary risk of a fire
getting out of control, is I just think if we're

(57:10):
talking about a world where common sence is really not
as common as it maybe once was. But let's just
not let any fires. I mean, if you've ever had
a fire in your backyard or along the pond or
the river or wherever, or in the woods, you may
indeed think that you're completely prepared to control that fire
if when something happens, But even just a backyard fire

(57:30):
pit with a couple of bruchs junks in the embers
that just float around, I mean, we've all seen it.
Everyone's seen a fire, so the embers can get away
from you in a hurry. And right now, one ember
that gets away from your backyard fire can be a problem,
not because I say so, but because of the extent
of the fires that we are seeing in the province,
right around the country. Just from my perspective, it doesn't

(57:53):
sound like a lot to ask for at this moment
to not start a fire. You know, we're not away
you can't go in the woods for a walk. We're
not talk about you can't go fishing. We're not talking
about you can't go berry picking. We're not talking about
how you can't go on your quad. You can do
a lot of stuff, but just not purposefully willfully starting
a fire during these times doesn't sound like a big,

(58:14):
big ask to me. It might you might have a
different opinion. You're welcoming shared on the program, but we're
going to take a break. Welcome back, Tony's in the
queu to respond to Adam on the conversation we had
regarding the perspective or the proposed potential for a fixed link.
Don't go away, well, welcome back. Let's go to lend
number three Tony around the air.

Speaker 8 (58:32):
Hey, Patty, how's it going today?

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Doing very well? Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 8 (58:36):
Good? Good?

Speaker 13 (58:37):
Great?

Speaker 8 (58:37):
Thanks? Yeah.

Speaker 16 (58:39):
According to this, as regards to the fixed link on
across in the tunnel, you can't have free curves driving
through because just the too high of a risk of
an accident.

Speaker 8 (58:51):
When you have a rail.

Speaker 16 (58:52):
System is controlled, so the operator of the train engine
is you know, well trained or to do this right,
so he always whats to do. Like I mean not
to say that is never without risk, right, but like
the risks are mitigated and controlled. If you just have
a bunch of you know, Joe public driving back and
forth through.

Speaker 17 (59:12):
An eighteen kilometer tunnel, if someone breaks down, if someone
has an accident and loses you know, they're they're distracted
by something and plows into another vehicle.

Speaker 16 (59:23):
The risk of LAFE is enormous. There have been some
very well documented cases that, particularly in Europe where they
use you know, tunnels, and even in tunnels that you
go through mountains that are only like, you know, less
than a kilometer, there have been some very very tragic
consequences when you know, there was a traffic accllent sort

(59:44):
of thing and fire erupted. There's no way to get
the people out or get emergency vehicles into it. So
that's the whole idea behind having control access to these things.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yeah, that's fair enough, just a couple of points. Someone
also made the point that in an eighteen kilometer tunnel
that under the seafloor, there's also potential concerns with exhaust.
That's fair enough. I'm sure there's ways to mitigate that
particular issue. But for instance, I've been in tunnels and
these were in the United States on the West coast,
like Oregon, Washington, what have you. Were some of the

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longer tunnels that I was in they were like divided
highways though, right, just the same thing. If I go
down Pitts Memorial Drive. I can keep the water direction
from another by simply having a barrier in between the two,
which is possibly a very helpful mitigation of head on
vehicle collisions if and when that was part of the
approach that they would take.

Speaker 16 (01:00:30):
What do you think, Yeah, yes, definitely, I mean that
helps eliminate one aspect of the cross traffic accents. But
if you have rear end situations, right, I mean like
you know, you've you've traveled around and on larger highways,
I mean you let's take the Toronto four oh one.
I mean, there's nothing to see a forty fifty sixty
eighty care pile up from rear ending. So all of

(01:00:53):
that gets happens, and then there's a fiery reps and
how do you get the non nine kilometers Let's say
it happens halfway point right, so it's nine kilometers back
to safety, right. So the amount of fumes that you
your system, your ventilation system can probably handle like normal

(01:01:13):
usage of vehicle exhaust and stuff, but it's not going
to be to handle a you know, five six, ten,
fourteen car fire of all this plastics and rubbers and
everything else erupting, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
It's a fair observation, you know. I guess there's not
a whole lot of difference between a pile up on
the four ah one versus a pile up in a
tunnel because you can't get out of there no matter.
If we're talking about open air, you can go, you
can go to.

Speaker 16 (01:01:40):
The shoulder of the road and go down over the
road and find safety. All the fumes are going to
go into the atmosphere above, not into the tunnel roof
and be trapped there, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Yeah, I don't know about ventilation that could handle, whether
it be a fire of a vehicle versus just general
exhaust from a v it's fair concerns. And as I
was saying when I talked to Adam about this stuff earlier,
it'll just be nice to know because if you see
the report, they don't lean in on exhaust and or
safety or collisions or those things. They basically just say

(01:02:13):
it's the least expensive option. And I'm sure as the
points that you're making here are part of the calculation,
because it could be pretty potentially dangerous situation if when
there was these types of collusions that you speak to.
So that's a good point, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:02:27):
Yeah, And I'm not sure.

Speaker 16 (01:02:28):
I didn't read the report either, so it's I would
imagine though, that the safety issue would be one of
the four most applicable things here, right, I mean, nobody
wants to see something like that happen, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Of course, not pent.

Speaker 18 (01:02:45):
Unfortunately, we're geologic, geographically situated where it doesn't make a
whole lot of easy application to get us connected.

Speaker 11 (01:02:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
The geographical challenge is real for a variety of things,
transportation and supply chains and the costs of getting in
and out here. I'll just about every front. I appreciate this, Tony,
good points.

Speaker 8 (01:03:09):
All right, Okay, have a great date you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Too, Bye bye. Yeah. I am going to really try
to get someone from arab who was involved in this
particular report to come on. We can break the down
for dollars and cents and the option of railway tunnel
versus any other mode of transportation. Happy to do it.
See if we can't get someone, let's go to line
number four. PJ.

Speaker 12 (01:03:29):
You're on the air, bigod morning, Patty morning, Yeah, good morning.
In response to some of your other callers talking about
the medical situation, fair enough, I'm calling from Nova Scotia,
same issue here.

Speaker 11 (01:03:45):
But you know.

Speaker 12 (01:03:45):
In contrast, I look at some of the government decisions,
like last week to increase the military pay by up
to twenty percent for everybody. Yep, it's shocking when you
look at the number of people in the military, for example,
make one hundred thousand, they're going to get a fifteen
thousand dollars bump in their salary. Sure, in the military,

(01:04:09):
there's lots of people that need a bump, lower level people.
But if you make one hundred, one hundred and fifty thousand,
do you think you need a fifteen to twenty thousand
dollars pump in your salary today?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
It's a question, Well, the bump is only for the
lowest ranks.

Speaker 12 (01:04:28):
No, everybody in the military is getting an increase either
from twenty to eight or down to eight percent. So
the head of the military, who's making probably three hundred
thousand dollars a year, is going to get an eight
percent pump. People making one hundred thousand are getting a
fifteen percent pump. People in Newfoundland, the average salary New

(01:04:49):
Flands about thirty three thousand dollars, So when you look
at some are making one hundred thousand dollars, it sounds
to me the government is being a bit generous with
fifteen thousand dollars pay bumps when we have so many
domestic issues, homelessness, medical issues across countries. Right, I think

(01:05:12):
that was that was in relation to the medical But
I wanted to talk to you today about the Churchill
fall two point zero.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Just one second before we move on though, PJ, because
it's an important conversation. So for the whether it be privates,
ordinary sailors, the junior aviators, that's a twenty percent pay increase.
The country's military is short something almost like sixteen thousand members,
so they've had, you know, changed the rules for injury requirements.
They've put forward these pay bumps just to try to

(01:05:41):
staff up what is the full complement of members of
the military. In addition to that, all of a sudden,
now we're fast tracking towards spending five percent of GDP
on defense spending, which would include obviously pay for members
of the military. So I guess it's all part and parcel.
We're on the road map to spend somewhere in the
neighborhood of one hundred and fifty billion dollars on military
one hundred fifty billion dollars currently we spend about forty

(01:06:03):
two Even the increase to a full two percent of
GDP brings US over sixty billion and round the roadmap
to one hundred and fifty billion. So, whether it be
at what costs, at what costs to all the other
programs and all the other Canadians, something's going to come
to roosts.

Speaker 8 (01:06:20):
Someone is going.

Speaker 12 (01:06:21):
To pay for this down the road. So to give
people pay raises just for the sake of spending money
to get up to the need of spending limit doesn't
make sense. You can, you can spend money on military
where it's needed by new equipment, by planes, submarines, et cetera,
et cetera. But to give people a pay bump, some
of them deserve it. The lower ranks definitely deserve it

(01:06:43):
because they're stuck in their positions for various reasons beyond
their control. But if you're making one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars a year, which thousands are in the military,
by the way, do you deserve fifteen thousand dollars more
taxpayers money?

Speaker 13 (01:06:58):
It's a question.

Speaker 12 (01:07:00):
So I wanted to talk though about Churchill Fall's two
point Oh, that's more of a concern for me today
and I'm thinking Danny Williams wrote the Prime Minister.

Speaker 13 (01:07:10):
Last week a very good letter.

Speaker 12 (01:07:12):
And what's surprising me about this is that it doesn't
appear to be many New Flanders behind Danny Williams explaining
what a bad deal this Church of Fall's two point
zero can turn out to be. And you know, the
architect of this is a fellow by the name of
Michael Sapier. And now he is Michael is Mark Kearney's

(01:07:34):
right hand man in Houtawa.

Speaker 8 (01:07:35):
He signed this.

Speaker 12 (01:07:36):
Deal in the MoU and then he left on you all,
and now he's working for Karney in Honaway. It's the
Secretary of the Cabinet. So it's it's a remarkable development.
And I'm just so surprised that New Flanders they get
behind a lot of causes, fishery causes throughout mark time,
confederation building time after time, but in a situation like this,

(01:08:00):
another fifty year deal with hydro Quebec, no support, outstanding,
remarkable lack of initiative there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Yeah, Michael. Part of Michael SABA is the Clerk of
the Privy Council, which is the most senior public sector
bureaucrat in the country. So given that he's moved from.

Speaker 12 (01:08:17):
The c Patty patty on that topic, You're right, he
is that, but he's also the secretary of the Cabinet.
He's at cabinet meetings.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Yeah, but that comes. That's part and parcel with being
the Clerk of the Privy Council, I know.

Speaker 12 (01:08:29):
But it's the highest ranking civil servant position in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Yeah, that's what I just said.

Speaker 12 (01:08:35):
Yeah, so he was the architect of this, this MoU
on behalf of hydro Quebec, and he was doing his
happy dance in Montreal when they were doing the announcement
at the rooms. He didn't come to father to come
to Newfoundland because he was ecstatic about what he had
just signed off on.

Speaker 8 (01:08:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
They just a question though, PJ. What do you think
is the implication of mister Saber moving from hydro Quebec
to the position of the Clerk and secretary to Cabinet.
What does what does that mean to you?

Speaker 12 (01:09:05):
Venture to guess, but I consider it a highly, highly unusual.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Move for what reason. I'm just curious. I mean, it's
not like mister Savia has not worked for the government
before in very senior position. So what exactly do you
think that means for whether it be the deal or
US or hydro Kupec or otherwise. I'm just curious it's
to be determined.

Speaker 12 (01:09:28):
It just seems to me to be in highly unusual
development in this situation. And but regardless of that, the
matter remains is that Newfoundland is signing into another fifty
year arrangement here without the independent study and analysis that

(01:09:48):
you know is needed. And Daniel Williams is right on this,
and I'm surprised there's not more support for him because
he seems to be challenged championing this on his own
for the most part. But when there's you know, hundreds
of thousands deup Landers that have lived through the Churchill
Falls one point, though, to go through this again is

(01:10:08):
just mind boggling, even.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Though this is remarkably different from the sixty nine contract.
And I don't think it's fair to say Daniel Williams
is the only voice out there in opposition too. I mean,
we've had the David Vardey's and Gave Gregory's and Sullivan's.
I mean, there's lots of people out there who are
speaking about this contract. But one of the arguments that
I'm not entirely sure makes a whole lot of sense

(01:10:32):
to me is if Hyder Quebec says they got a
great deal, Michael Sabeer says they got a great deal,
Premium Lego says they got a great deal. Of course
they say that because they wouldn't sign on to something
to go back to the Province of Quebec and say, well,
we just signed a crappy deal. I mean, the same
reason why fury In Parsons and Jennifer Williams and others
on this side are saying it's a good deal is
because that's what people do when they sign a contract,

(01:10:55):
is if there's not a mutual mutually beneficial component too,
but then there is no So I'm not surprised that
everyone quack thinks that it made a great deal. But
I will say opposition in parties in Quebec, I think
they've got a terrible deal. So again, some of this
is just political grandstanding and posturing as much as it
is an actual commentary on the quality of the negotiations,

(01:11:16):
the quality of the MoU and the fast track into
these ten twelve definitive agreements.

Speaker 12 (01:11:22):
Yeah, well I can sum it up by this and
I'll let you go to other callers. Okay, Quebec High
Joe has guaranteed to have a six cent kilo rate
for the next fifty years. That is a remarkable, remarkable
thing for them to have accomplished, and it's going to
be at the expense of new Land Labrador all over again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
I appreciate the time. PJA all the way from Nova Scotia.
Thanks for doing it. Okay, take care, bye bye. All right,
let's get a break in, don't aware Welcome back to
the show. Let's go to line number six. Good morning
John around the air. Morning buddy, morning.

Speaker 10 (01:11:58):
I got a little unpinion this morning. I was recently
out in boat for the recreational cod fishery.

Speaker 13 (01:12:05):
I had to say I.

Speaker 10 (01:12:06):
Witnessed probably the most appalling and disgraceful waste of codfish
I've ever seen in my sixty nine years.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
What did you see?

Speaker 19 (01:12:13):
Well, we saw probably thousands of pounds of cod tossed away,
floating on the surface, completely waste, not brought in for
anybody else to use.

Speaker 10 (01:12:24):
Earlier in the day, there are several long liners in
the cold staying for capelin. Of course, you know that
cod feeds on capeland and the cod is brought up
as a by catch, and the rule, according to the
Department of Fisheries is that it has to be tossed away.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
So you're talking about cod that was thrown overboard by
a sainer exactly. Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:12:51):
So my question is if I go out and boat today, Patty,
and come in with six fish, then I have probably
one thousand dollars. Fine, I have my gear taken away
enoup to a year ban for having one extra fish.
But yet the Department of History deems it okay that
thousands of pounds of cod can be tossed away every

(01:13:13):
day by every capel and saying or that's out there
doesn't seem right to me, seem right to you?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
No, to start with, our bycatch rules are brain dead.
They just really truly are. I mean, I would think
that most people with the gear they're utilizing to go
after one species or another are not purposely trying to
catch a salmon. They're not purposely trying to catch a
cod if you're going for capelan. So like in other
places in this world, bycatch rules are much more fundamental.

(01:13:42):
If I catch something that I don't have a license for,
I bring it to the dwharf, I report it to
the officials. I get paid anominal fee and it gets
put into the food chain, not thrown back into the pond,
or not thrown back into the ocean, so it could
just die like it just doesn't make any sense. If
I catch a couple of while salmon in my gillnet,
then if I could just bring it to shore and
someone gets to eat it, then that makes a bit

(01:14:04):
more sense to me than just throwing it overboard.

Speaker 10 (01:14:07):
I I agree one hundred percent. We got lots of
people in our province. We have senior citizens who can't
get out boat anymore. We had people with disability, we
have personal care homes, thousands of people who could make
use of that codfish instead of watching it float away
and sink to the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Absolutely terrible.

Speaker 8 (01:14:26):
I have.

Speaker 10 (01:14:27):
My friends and I shot video just mile after mile
on the surface, just dead codfish floating there. It's not
blaming along liners because they're doing what the regulation tells
them to do, and Department Fisheries are there making sure
that they do that. But I think it's time that
we change that process. I mean, this is just absolutely
total and they're prettrehensible of waste.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Because the fish has been caught, it's not like you
just went out there without license and we're just trying
to illegally harvest one speci or another you're going after,
in this case the capelin. If you come up with
some cod, you should be able to put that cod
into the food supply chain, not just throw it overboard
because you're afraid of getting busted based on really hard

(01:15:12):
to understund boyecatch rules. I'm with you one hundred percent.
I've talked about this forever in a day. Some of
the very fundamental things we could see DFO do to
make more sense are things like allow for the buddy
up system, you know, save on fuel costs, save on emissions,
save on everything by catch, bring it in, sell it,
someone eats it. It doesn't sound look very complicated matter

(01:15:33):
to me me either.

Speaker 10 (01:15:35):
I mean we are back in the dark ages when
it comes to a rules. Since ere any biscatch yep,
Because just a point of view, I've seen in my
hometown people catch a tuna as a by catch. It
to be it has to be some It can't be
brought in for people to use. It's it's hemous what
we see out there on the water.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Every day, and just one tuna. It could be several
one hundred pounds of food.

Speaker 10 (01:16:00):
Absolutely to six hundred pounds usually. Yeah, So it's just,
you know, it's just heartbreaking when you're out on the
water and this is what you see.

Speaker 12 (01:16:08):
And you're out there.

Speaker 10 (01:16:09):
We get three days a week where you can go out,
you come out of town, you might have one day
because of the wind, and then you see thousands of
pounds of cod that's floating on the surface that somebody
has thrown overboard because they're directed to throw it over
It's a.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Fair point and one that we should be making more
and more because I think you mentioned like long term
care facilities, or at a food bank, or in a hospital,
or on somebody else's kitchen table. Anything is better than
it floating dead on the surface of the ocean. There's
no raguling coming from me. I think you one hundred
percent right, John.

Speaker 14 (01:16:43):
I mean, you can go out.

Speaker 10 (01:16:44):
There and harvest the fish yourself. I don't know if
I'm allowed to take that fish out of the water.
You don't know how long it's I'm sitting on the
deck of the long liner, so you don't know if
it's fit to eat or not.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
That's right, but terrible.

Speaker 10 (01:16:55):
I just I just wanted to point that out today.
And I'm sure there's lots of people around the island
with me who see this, probably every day, that the
cable and fisheries are.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Yeah, and if that hasn't been traded properly and you know,
immediately on ice and or throw slit the throat and
it's probably not fifteed anyway.

Speaker 14 (01:17:11):
No, that's what I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:17:12):
Yes, absolute waste. So that's the point I want to
make the other day.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
And I'm glad you did. Thanks for the call, John,
take care, bye bye, all right for Kelly, Tom and
Ed and the que appreciate your patience. We'll be right
back to speak with them. And then Tanzi show left
for you. Don't go away. Welcome back. Let's go to
the line number one, Kelly around the air.

Speaker 20 (01:17:29):
Hi, can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
I can hear you.

Speaker 20 (01:17:31):
Hi, Thank you for taking my call. I just wanted
to speak to you about an issue that I've experienced
in getting my blood tests done at the blood collection
clinics in Saint John's, Okay and I July twenty ninth,
I had booked my appointment online for one ten in

(01:17:55):
the afternoon from Major's Path. I went there and it
was the clinic was blocked and there wasn't even anywhere
to sit down after registering and just waiting, you know,
there was somebody came out from behind and said that
they only had four phlebotomists on scheduled to be on

(01:18:19):
for that day and two were going to get off
at two thirty. So they offered to reschedule us, and
I was one of the ones that volunteered to take
the to be rescheduled. I was given an appointment card
for August the eighth at ten a m. And I
chose Saint Claire's this time. And when I went there
Friday morning for my appointment, the clerk advised that they

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couldn't find my appointment, and I was flabbergacid. I just said,
you have to be joking. I have an appointment card,
you know, And they said they're not sure how the
clerk booked it or I don't know either. I'm here
for my appointment this second time, you know. Uh So

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they said, well, you just have to wait for the
next appointment, and they fit me in. I just wonder, like,
what is going on with this system, because I know
that other people are experiencing the same thing. Especially the
days that I was there for a major's path clinic,
and the clerk said that the phone line that people

(01:19:26):
call in to book those appointments are those agents are
able to book the same appointments that we're booking for online.
They had over four hundred patients booked for that day,
which is why they couldn't get They couldn't get everybody
looked after that day. Uh, there's just something unacceptable going

(01:19:47):
on with that system. And I've emailed client Relations, I've
emailed Minister Howell's office and they just you know, say
we're going to refer you to the appropriate management.

Speaker 21 (01:20:00):
Review to get back.

Speaker 20 (01:20:01):
You know, I don't expect an answer, but I actually
do want an answer, like, what is going on with
this system that's twice time loss for me? You have
to go and get my blood collected. I know it's
easy enough for people to say, well, you just just
get a private you know, blood collection, come in. It's
only thirty forty dollars. But for me right now, that

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that's a lot of money, and I know it is
a lot of money for many others as well.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
And I was certainly not going to reference you to
private blood collection myself the public system. So have things
changed in the world of blood collection? Like Number one,
I had to get some blood work done, and let's
just say pick around the dates. If it was on
the first of the month, the next appointment I could
get anywhere including the water for Saint Clair's and the

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health sciences and Major's path was the seventeenth of the month.
So that's an awful long way for a very quick
procedure that you would think could be done much quicker
than that. On top of the hours of operation and
the numbers of staff work. And so number one hasn't
changed dramatically. And so is this like a staffing issue?
I suppose it kind of sounds like it it is.

Speaker 20 (01:21:09):
And I know recently in social media I have seen
posts from Newfoudland Health Services for a fully funded subottomist
program so that they're going to take people and train
them to collect blood. And from a conversation ahead with
an employee, they said that you know that's going to
be a band aid UH to fix the overall problems

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they're They're they're going to be adding to their work
to work demands where they actually have to do UH
lab work in addition to blood collection, So they're bringing
in some more uh phlebotomists to do the frontline blood
collection and then putting others in the lab to process

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the the samples.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 20 (01:22:00):
Mean, there's something wrong with this booking system. Like I know,
when I booked my July twenty ninth appointment, I'd wait
almost two weeks for that, and then that got rescheduled
for August eighth, and again, like i show up for
my allotted appointment and I'm like, you know, we can't
find your appointment. That's like, you have to be kidding me.

(01:22:21):
I don't, like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Especially when you have a digital record of having booked
the appointment. I did eventually go to Major's path and
I had absolutely no problem. I was maybe in and
out fifteen minutes, maybe something like that. The point that
I was making is that if it was the first
of the month and I was trying to book an
appointment because I had to follow up with my doctor,
already booked when I left the clinic, I had to

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reschedule it because I had to wait seventeen days to
get the blood work done. So it does, like everything else,
there have a bit of a ripple effect as they.

Speaker 20 (01:22:52):
Say, yeah exactly. I just want to know what's going
on with this system. Is somebody looking at it to
fix There seems to be a disconnect between the phone
agents and online booking. You know, it's it shouldn't happen
a second time for me to show up and you know,
well the first appointment it was there, it was just

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that day. They had over four hundred patients booked for
Major's past that day for whatever reason. And I don't know,
and I'm just wondering, like you know, you know, they're
opening up these new health centers, like you know, the
old Costco building. There's another building down by Holy Step
Cure on tops the road that's going to be also

(01:23:37):
a medical clinic, and I'm just wondering. I think going
to include some blood clinic collection centers there as well,
because we need more. And another thing I'd like to
see is the in home blood collection to be included
in MCP coverage. I know that you can you can't
claim it on your on your income to X return,

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but like even if you had enough medical expenses to
claim it, you're still going to get fifteen percent back,
So it's not really you know, worth your while to
claim it in my opinion, but you know, I just
would like to see some of those services to be

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included in MCP coverage. Especially we have some patients who
are homebound and they can't get out for a blood collection,
so they are forced to pay this thirty or forty dollars,
you know, for somebody to come in and take their blood.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Are there not programs for people who are house bound
to get some of these services for you, like, you know,
to get a vaccine. I know some of that is
absolutely covered by the public sector.

Speaker 20 (01:24:44):
Yeah by uh yeah, that's community services, but they don't
handle blood collection.

Speaker 11 (01:24:50):
Okay, yeah, anyway, I just.

Speaker 20 (01:24:54):
I'm hoping that somebody in government here is me and
pulls my emails and gets back to me because I
actually do want to hear what's going on, and it's
being done to mitigate it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
I appreciate the topic and the time this morning. Thank
you for doing it.

Speaker 20 (01:25:10):
Thank you very much for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
You're welcome. Kelly Bye bye, okay bye bye. Yeah. Once
I get there, I have no problem. It's I was
a little bit surprised because it's probably been a number
of years since I've had some blood worked on. But
this go around, when I looked for the next available
appointment in the afternoon because I can't go in the morning.
It was the first of the month and the first

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appointment I could get was on the seventeenth, which seems
like a long time for simply getting some blood worked on. Anyway,
I am going to take another call. But have you
seen the video going around of an aggressive Chinese ship
going after a Filipino ship and then another ship caught
in front of it? Like? Is that real? Huge collision

(01:25:52):
in the ocean? Which is I think? I asked because
I just wonder, like regarding the commas you made with
regards your artificial intelligence, it's hard to know whether or
not what you see is real anymore. It's a spectacularly
wild video. But have you seen it? And do we
actually think it's real? I don't know, because one ship
just jumping in front of the other to purposefully have

(01:26:14):
a collision. Wild stuff. Let's go to line number two,
Tommy around the air, good this morning, Very well, Thank you,
tom How about you?

Speaker 13 (01:26:22):
That's about Patty. You had a call it earlier this morning.
The comfort a wheelchair and I guess they've given my number.
But before I get to that, I want to just
make a quick comment about the gentleman from Nova Scotia
who called about the pay raise for the military people,
and I'd just like to remind everybody that there's only
one job in this world in Canada where when you

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sign on the dotted line saying I'm willing to go
to work as you say, I'm willing to give my
life for my country. And that's for the military, not
for the police now, not to take down the other
uniform services, not for the police, not for the fire department,
for emergency care workers, all of those people, and they
do tremendous service, but they can walk off the job tomorrow.

(01:27:07):
A person in the military walks off the job, they
get court martialed. So my comments about to pay raise,
even though I was paid a poverty wage all the
while I was in the military, I think it's more
than deserving. And people have to remember that it is
the only job in the world where you can be
ordered to give up your life. En I've said about

(01:27:29):
that the call you had this morning, Patty, about the
gentlemen looking for the wheelchair, the power wheelchair. We don't
have one right now, but a lady from Bayvert called
me and she has two that are perfectly working and
she's willing to give them to them to me. The
issue we have is getting them in from Bayverth. So

(01:27:52):
my main reason for calling you this morning is to
see if it's anybody from the Baybord Peninsula, the community
called just running here now to my desk to check
the name of the community. The community is called Wild
Calls and the Bay Bird Peninsula, and anybody is coming

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in from that area the Saint John's and they're willing
to bring in a couple of power wheelchairs. I'm sure
they'll help a couple of people if they were to
call your your show. Dave will certainly give him my
number and we certainly would appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Someone on the Beavor Peninsula is absolutely going to be
able to help us out on this front. So Richard
needs a wheelchair, we can get him one. We just
need to get it in the same John's from that community,
So please do. Indeed, if you're making that run today, tomorrow,
some time this week, and you get the truck that
can accommodate, please help us out on this front. So
give Dave Williams a call we'll share some numbers with you,

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and I'm sure we're going to get this taken care of.

Speaker 13 (01:28:55):
Thank you, sir, appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Welcome Tom, all the best. All right there, we well,
so gonna step up and do that. That'd be great.
Let's take a break for the news. Let me go back.
Plenty of show flip for you. Don't go away.

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Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to light number three.
Morning ed around the air.

Speaker 8 (01:29:29):
Good morning, shir R haw is horny.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Great today, Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 8 (01:29:35):
That's good bye. That's good now. You know I'll just
call it turn the old day Tree, so call d Tree.
How silly the rudes and the regulations here, I think
you're predicted it. I'm out in the bay, are now
or around I've been on the Golden Clod packs morning.

(01:29:55):
I went raight around Conception Bay. I haven't got a
blocky peach to call me on. But anyway, it's just
beside the point. I just wanted to tell you that
lit me what happened to me last summer. Uh, I'm
doing a bit of beaching. Who says, is anybuddy? Two
senior citizens out the feet and I see this boat

(01:30:18):
coming across the bay. You know, it was in the
midweek and the policy stream we would only boat out
of the bay at the time. I didn't get anybody.
They came right out and they got over Patrick crap
and they come one day life great director, I send
me body us and look for me. Anyway. We didn't
eat on that. We didn't have nothing. Lie anyway the

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hall the bok side of our boat, and stare shooting
all the trapping ball Now that a far as you
want to come board, come aboard, and the come board
there were burning. So I am stand on the girl
anyway they ship. Do you get anything show? I said, boy,
we got to cover your town guts down there on
the five gallon bucket. An you more months to go
have a look. After they went out and throwing off

(01:31:01):
what they got to count, we ended up with ken
tom kit and wanted the flank them. They said, we
are here and what we see the web and the
cook here that anyway, he wrote me up and give
me a warning, and I said, okay, so we'll paks.

(01:31:22):
We gotta goin out. Yeah, yeah, you're okay. There many
two days later urgets and knock on the door eight
o'clock in the morning. The big kings who do will
pick up trunk off for the door or from into
people formed and they knocking on me door. They come
and I said, fo's what's going on out? And they said,
nord mon to worry about. He said, we just we

(01:31:45):
just come to drop off your warning ship. Well the
words are texture founa where they're going. Now, I know
you would take that boy and has a true sord.
What do you think of that, Betty?

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
I think it's ridiculous, tony boys.

Speaker 8 (01:32:04):
I gotta come in out of and now I got
fifty dollars for a dance time. But we enjoyed the
riding the boat. But it's nice, you know, to get
a couple of cards. But no, there's nothing out anyway.
But I was listening to Gentleman's call there about ten
to fifteen minutes ago, and I just had to tell
the sword right, but said he get it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Yeah, I appreciate it. We had no trouble getting our
cord when we went out there a couple of weeks ago.
The biggest dogs too. We got fifteen in like twenty minutes.

Speaker 8 (01:32:36):
No, that's right, and I sort did we boy, that's
like you said, you know you didn't gotta go in
out with my guys. Gay, You're just right. I mean
as songs, we could have put up our boat, sure,
but then I mean then you got your fixed for
the rich. You don't have the bottle to come out,
and the windstorms and everything. Well, I make the rude

(01:32:59):
to me an old school or I've been treating well,
be more to moor norm. I used to roll off
the beach in a row boat with litter tope and
I want to build day Hope within an hour two hours,
and I had no peace for the water and that
was a holbe And now you gotta go out storms,
broke win or whatever. I don't know, really really stupid.

(01:33:23):
Whoever preached rooms.

Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
You take now?

Speaker 8 (01:33:27):
And the ring the week I'm saying you're on retired.
I got me being a retirement. I never hed, so
I can't go out in the minute of the week
when I get a half eat and water man anyway,
as our Canadian.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Govern It's been like it for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Every year we wait and wait and wait for the
announcement and it comes out and it's the same thing
year after year. Thirty nine days, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and
all the so called regulations regarding bag limb and all
the rest of it. I mean, it's not even an
equal playing field across Atlantic Canada. I mean, I think
people sort of misrepresent what goes on in Nova Scotia.
They just simply have an increased bag from five to ten.

(01:34:10):
They can't go out all the time whenever they want,
that kind of stuff. But the apparently there's going to
be a revisiting of the rules sometime this fall. There's
going to be some sort of consultations, right have you.
I mean they must hear the same things that I hear,
is that the restrictions are just a bit much. I mean, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
How many people are able to even make those days,
whether it be you work on the weekend or your

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rotational worker, or the weather's bad or there's a variety thing.
So we'll see where we go from here. But you know,
it's the same thing every year and the same frustrations.
It never stops.

Speaker 8 (01:34:44):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
I appreciate the call. It thanks a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:34:49):
I wish more people come in and you know, well
there's another way getting me to tell him by them
all out of battery here or now.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Okay, well, I appreciate your call. Thanks Ed. Oh kay,
take care of bye bye all right, said another one
for the break sort of five Jonathan around the air.

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
How's it going, Patty?

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Excellent today? How about you?

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
Oh, not too bad. I think I'd like the bote
with it. I bet you could tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Some nice stories. Yeah, no question.

Speaker 5 (01:35:19):
And I got a couple of concerns about the Forest three.
I've been at it for thirty years. I'm actually third generation,
and we've seen a lot of challenges over the years.
And I'm not the only one. There's a lot of
small contractors that you know, feeling the pinch, same as myself.
But a few of them is like the Minister of
Forest three and you know John Hogan's office, they're not

(01:35:41):
even they're not even listening to our concerns. You don't
even return no calls like two running out of wood
to cut to Dave Hada shut down now since the
first part of July, with no compensation, no nothing, like
you know, I got twelve men that's all sent home
that hasn't been back to work since the first part
of July. You know, you think that the government would

(01:36:03):
step in or at least answer your calls. But I've
actually left a message every day for months now and
John Hogan's message machine there and not even a phone call,
not like nothing. So you know you think that they
care about small businesses here on Ireland.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Sure, I mean, I'll say this again. Look I have
countless times on this show. Is even if you don't
get the answer you'll want or you like, some sort
of reply is warranted here. So if we've got you know,
commercial operations that are shut down, because I mean, I
guess there's a distinct risk by continue with operations given
the conditions. But even if there's just you know, some

(01:36:43):
formula for compensation or not, you know, a return call
would be extremely helpful.

Speaker 14 (01:36:48):
It definitely would.

Speaker 5 (01:36:49):
Like you got a contractor, dere Keith Morey, he got
two thousand meters left to do in the next year
and a half, Like he got ten people employed, like
he's been trying to get old to him to try
to get extra wood. Andy Edmund returned to his calls
or trying to help him in any way. So I
don't know where it's going to end. Like I know,
since I've been at this, I've seen twenty five small

(01:37:10):
contractors that I know of personally to give up into
the forestry sector. And it's not easy with like heat
pumps now are taken over for the fire wood. Then
you know, you think that the government would step in
and help us or at least cost you know, you know,
to talk about our concerns or something. And I understand it.
We're shut down for fires, and I totally understand that,
Like a lot of people have lost their cabins and houses,

(01:37:31):
and you know, I'm I'm totally fine with being shut down.
But you think that the government would, you know, step
in and help us, Like I got twelve people home
right now with no money coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Like so, yeah, we had an earlier call onest and
we've since invited representatives from the government to come out
and see if they cank you us. Some answers to
a pretty fundamental question. If the industry has been shut
down since the first of July, what's the plan going forward,
because some of these operations don't recover from two months
of lost logging during the summer months. So we'll see

(01:38:02):
if we can't get you answer right here on the show.

Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
Jonathan, all right, that's perfect and takes a lot, Patty
for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
I appreciate your time. Take care all right, bye bye. Yeah,
I'll see if we can't get an answer to that one.
It's a fair question, you know. It's the same thing
when we're trying to get information as to whether or
not as pledged by the government as to whether they're
going to come to the aid financially, speaking of folks
who lost their home safe for instance in Adams Cove.
I mean, it's not me saying if the government themselves

(01:38:29):
said that they'd be here to help. How we don't know.
When we don't know, we'll try to get the answers.
Let's take it break. When we come back. Dave's also
in the queue to talk about the recreational food fishery.
And then you don't away, welcome back. Let's go to
Lene number one. Dave here on the air. How are
you doing, Patty doing okay?

Speaker 14 (01:38:44):
Dave?

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
How you doing?

Speaker 22 (01:38:45):
I'm doing pretty good. I guess I'm just wondering about
the food fishery and why are we treated different in
the rest of the problems. So I don't understand that
me neither. No, I don't understand it because I mean,
I know I've read a letter from out of Water.
At all fishery and all the provinces of the landing
provinces will be treated the same, and here we are different.

(01:39:09):
In Nova Scotia. You can quote any day of the
week that's kitchen fish.

Speaker 8 (01:39:13):
I don't.

Speaker 22 (01:39:14):
I don't understand that. But we got picked them weekends
here with the wake to glass. One of the last
two days now have been nothing norm and people are
out there in small boats trying to get a bit
of fish. It don't make sense. And but if you
could goute all week and ktch a fish, you can
pick a day to goute any day you want a
nice day. But this stuff is ridiculous what they're doing here.

(01:39:36):
And it's the Department Fish. You's got these laws made up.
You know, I don't understand this fifteen fish boat garbage,
you know. I mean, I can take three people out,
catch fifteen fish, bring them in, take three more people out.
You're another fifteen fish, which don't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
Well, that's what people do. And it's important to note
that this is directly from DFL is that the five
person fifteen per boat is as much a policies suggestion
not a law. Right, So no, if I have five
people in a boat that can accommodate five people, we
can all bring in five.

Speaker 22 (01:40:13):
I mean, yes, that's exactly right. Yeah, well we can't
do it here. Well we can, we can't, but the
fisheries will make trouble for you. But in a court
of law they wouldn't need to throw it out. You know,
they want they want the law. The dawn don't say
nothing about that, but we can't do it here. The

(01:40:35):
fisheries to stop you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Yeah, And once again from DFO themselves, they have said
that it's there for this reason that if people are
going to abuse it and you know, come in with
ten or come in with twenty five and five people
in the boat, then they reserve the right to shut
it down. So you're not going to get a fine,
you're not going to go to court if you get
so called cop doing it. But that's what they say

(01:40:59):
is if people are identified as abusing it. But I mean,
I think you made the important point right off the
top here. I personally know people who are now retired.
They got time. So Saturday, Sunday, Monday, if the weather
is good enough to be on the water, they're out
there all day. They go out and they get it,
they come back in, they offload, they go back out
throughout it all day. I mean, they were kind of

(01:41:20):
reporting to me as if it was some sort of
good thing that three of them on one day brought
in seventy fish. Like I mean, that's the kind of
stuff that gets all around ABUSI.

Speaker 22 (01:41:31):
That's a different situation.

Speaker 21 (01:41:33):
Yep.

Speaker 22 (01:41:33):
Yeah, But I mean, but like I said, I can
take three people out and bring in fifteen fish, and
then taking three more people and we're gonna have fifteen fish.
If I had room in me bold for six people,
what can we bring in five fish each? You know
just what I can't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
I got it.

Speaker 22 (01:41:51):
I'm with you, Yeah, yeah, And you know there's just
if there was you could go guinny day to week
just say to get a fish, but you would look
for the weather, say oh god, there's a lovely day
to go get a fish. But there wouldn't be half
so many boats out there, you know. I mean you
take the day now and yesterday. It there's not fit

(01:42:14):
to be out in the boat. It's the wind is
strong and everything else. So it don't make sense if
people risking their lives get a few fish, it don't
make sense, you know. And the apartment fishery got these
laws made up on their own, and the boy would
be different than the rest of the provinces. I don't
understand that, you know, moi ne pilanders are letting that go.

(01:42:35):
I don't understand that either. But you know, another little
subject got got to mention to you. I was a
supervisor with Fishery Profess International for fourteen years jury Cape
the season we used to have six weeks work on
Capeler in one planet now just as only one plant.

(01:42:55):
We would have three gray containers by each table in
the plant. At the end of ten hour shift, them
bets would be filled with smoked fish, little fish five
six seventy eight. Some people have come in on the
streets big enough for down guys. That was three tons
of fish in ten hours. Young fish jumped in their hoppers.

(01:43:18):
This was happening all around the oil and escaping season.
And you say, well, what happened to our fish? I mean,
think about it. The fish that was dumped that's on
the land. Now the fishermen don't tell the more tons.

Speaker 14 (01:43:34):
Over their nests.

Speaker 22 (01:43:35):
They're floating away from the boats, and we would we
blame the draggers, we blamed foreign ships, we blamed everything
beside ourselves. We destroyed the fish. That's what happened to
our country back in the seventies. We all give up fishing.
But like I said, I've seen a lot of it
going on. But the department, the fishermen who would come
in and look in those containers and they wouldn't know

(01:43:57):
from their motable nothing voute destroying the fish, the little
baby fish. I've seen it. I've been there for fourteen
years at that and I knew it knows all about it.
But that's that's the way it goes. Where are we different?
And another team two patty this time of the year.
Now the fishermen got gilded suit their kitchen. The mother

(01:44:17):
fish has full of spawn. I've hollered about myself, big
fish that would bloat up, and I let them go
again because I thought it was a crime to destroy
that big motherfish. And they're kitchen them in Guildness. Now
this time you're destroying the fish again. So hell did
you win? You can't win in this province, you know.

(01:44:38):
But that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
I appreciate the time, day, thanks for calling this morning.

Speaker 22 (01:44:42):
That's all right, buddy, take care.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Yeah, okay, bye bye, that's on that one. Let's keep
problem line number two. Stephen, you're on the air. Hi, Patty,
good morning, Good morning to you.

Speaker 21 (01:44:55):
Uh Patty. I called in last week and Dave was
good enough just to reach back out to me. Just
a quick note. On Thursday of last week, I believe
at two pm, when I was driving down the road,
there was an emergency service announcement I guess that took
over the broadcasting in the local radio stations, and that

(01:45:15):
was to advise people that there was an evacuation order
in for Salmon Cove and Okra pit Cove and that
people would then be directed to go to I believe
some station in carbon Air where they could go and
get relief services, etc. The simple note was that was

(01:45:37):
a computer generated voice. Patty, I, as a new Foundlander
who's been to Okra pit Cove a hundred times, could
not understand the pronunciation of Okra pit Cove, or for
that matter, Salmon Cove. I thought that whether that voice

(01:45:58):
is being generated by an entity in Odawa or here
in Newfoundland, that somehow they need to alter that because
I just could not understand what they were announcing, and.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
It's so unnecessary.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
I get why people are going to rely on these
large language models or chat GPT or artificial intelligence in general,
but it's going to be a problem for our critical thought.
It's going to be a problem for things as fundamental
as evacuation orders because of wildfires. Someone has the capacity
at the department to call here, to get on with
the producer, to record an AD with their own voice,

(01:46:37):
understanding how to pronounce Okra pit Cove.

Speaker 21 (01:46:41):
Absolutely, And I mean further to that, you and I
have a common friend who has a family home in
Okra pit Cove. When that announcement was.

Speaker 12 (01:46:50):
Made, I called him and he said the same.

Speaker 21 (01:46:55):
He kind of knew what they were suggesting, but it
was in print. There's no way to check it immediately.
So yeah, whoever the entity is who was handling that,
they need to go back to the drawing board and
get a human voice on that, because in such a
important announcement, I mean people need to understand what's being dictated,

(01:47:19):
that's for.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Sure, absolutely so. Between our mutual friends spot and ocro Pickov,
our mutual friend's spot in Western Bay, some good times, yes, yeah, No.

Speaker 21 (01:47:29):
Terrible, terrible scenes, Patty, I suspect the fires now headed
for Ocrapi Cove. As of last night, Western Bay looked
like it was well burned, and yeah, just just praying
that there's some relief out there.

Speaker 8 (01:47:45):
Terrible, terrible situation.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Fingers crossed. I mean, some of the visuals are devastating,
and the size of some of these fires, people just
don't really have the context. For instance, forty nine hundred
hectares and the Kingston fire would stretch from Signal Hill
to the southeast tip of Women Late to rot with
Sunshine Park Empowering Park.

Speaker 21 (01:48:03):
Incredible. I saw that that kind of pictorial put out
on Instagram yesterday. Yeah, all of Saint John's's on fire
put that in perspective exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Bravo to those fighting the fires and finger across up
we get some cooperative weather and they can get these
things back under control. Devastating, there's thousands of people who
have been evacuated, thousands.

Speaker 21 (01:48:24):
Incredible, Patty. Look, I'll let you go, but on a
more upbeat note, new from Land. Just beating Nova Scotia
in men's rugby sevens on the last play of the
game seventeen fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Go Rock Go brilliant, good stuff. Thanks Steve, my pleasure,
See you, Petty, see bye bye. Yeah. I mean, why
do we have to do something like generate an evacuation
notice through anything but someone's actual voice. I mean, you
can send us the information, the producer can read it,
recorded and broadcast it. Let's see here, let's take.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
A break out, don't go away the Tim Power Show.
During the conversation, we day have your news at four
pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line umber three,
saying one to the mayor Harpergrace. That's Don Coombs, maryra
Coombs around the air. Hi, Patty, how are you great today?
How you doing?

Speaker 9 (01:49:12):
I'm doing quite well, buddy, And this beautiful day good
for us, and that's so good for people with fighting
the fires. So tots and prayers are with him, Patty,
I was giving you a call officially a Melia's back.
She's in the property in the presence of the raw
Canadian Medal Police. A lot of work done over the
last few months, in the last a week especially, and

(01:49:34):
I just got the official word. The press release just
come out. So officially Amelia is back in Harbor Grase.
She's with the RCMP and now we've got to get
together and after the investigation is finished, see what we
can do together put back together. She's in parts, Patty
and the RCMP officer info me and I saw her
on Friday night. It's clean cuts. So we're going to

(01:49:56):
reach out to Looping and Morgan and look forward to
getting her back up where she should. So do we
know do in the media for keeping it in the media, Patty,
because I think that was a big part of the investigation. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Well, we're happy to play a minor role in this.
So do we know anything about who took the statue,
where it was found, any of those types of things.

Speaker 9 (01:50:14):
It's found from understand that it was found over in
Trinity Bay. There was a lead calling in that we started.
I started on with the RCMP last Tuesday night and
it came to Fruition on Friday afternoon with the RCMP
called me and they had it in their procession at
that time.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
So in addition to that, the.

Speaker 9 (01:50:36):
Investigation continues, and because it's still theft, so that's that's
an RCMP issue, and I just want to thank him
for her work and getting her.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Back and Bravo. I don't know if you can answer
this or want to answer to this, because there was
a pretty significant reward if I remember correct, it was
maybe twenty five thousand dollars or something. Yeah, so did
the tip lead to this?

Speaker 9 (01:50:58):
Well, when I got the call last Tuesday, it was
the reward was bought up. Now I'm not familiar, Patty,
with how the reward is paid. I know we've got
donors due to reward, but this was in the early stages.
And I spoke to the people that requested that last
week and I had to keep them in confidence, of course,

(01:51:20):
and the hell this is done. This is new to
me and I'd say to a lot of municipalities. So
I'm going to find that out. But it's still under
investigation and the RSNP sergeant, the debt and her team,
I've done great work and now I got questions with them,
and I stopped in the station before calling you today,
and the questions remain, like when do we get her back?

(01:51:41):
How long is it going to take first to get it,
how this reward process works, and probably the best ones
for me to speak on that as crime stoppers because
they're used to doing all this. But it's a question
that you asked, and I wish I had more information
for Youanna, Patty, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
What do you do? Feel free to share I will.
I appreciate the time.

Speaker 9 (01:52:01):
Thanks for doing it, and Patty, thanks for coverage too.
On the fires down shore. I was I'm away at
an officer today and I spoke to a lady and
she had lost her home and in small point. Then
it's devastation. Thank you to her fire fighters, and thank
you for everybody for making that story. And let's hope
for some rainy and make that Happenmoch for the people

(01:52:22):
at Harber greased to province in the region and we're
happy to have media back, no.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
Doubt you are. I appreciate the update. Mary Coom sanks
a lot. Thanks Patty, all right, bye bye, all right,
that's been a good news. Let's go to line number four.
Call ear are on the air.

Speaker 14 (01:52:37):
It's just for me, Patty, got.

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
You, Yeah, Patty, I wanted to talk about the m
o U, and specifically about the power purchase agreement. I
listened to the uh I start the announcement of the
m OU with jury and lego and the and that's
takes sent for the power and eighteen billion dollars in

(01:53:02):
the first eighteen years. And I thought that was pretty
good at the time because I really didn't know anything
about it. But not long after it, I saw a
post online where Michael Sabier was being interviewed by a
reporter in Quebec, and it was outdoor somewhere, it wasn't

(01:53:25):
at a news conference or anything, and the reporter asked
him what he thought of the MoU. His response was,
anytime I can get four cent power for fifty one years,
I'm going to grab it. And that comment stuck with

(01:53:46):
me because I couldn't understand. And Saber is a well
respected man. He's not a politician, so I believed him
more so than I believed our government. So I decided
to try to figure out how that could be. And
I did figure it out, and the bottom line is

(01:54:06):
Newfounland is getting fourth in for the power in Newfoundland
is getting twelve billion of.

Speaker 8 (01:54:13):
The eighteen billion in the first eighteen years.

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
And Purian Void knew this when they made that announcement.
So I consider the MoU to be the grand deception.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Can you just repeat what you just said about who
gets what money?

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
Lutherland Hydro will get four cents for the power and
they will get twelve.

Speaker 8 (01:54:41):
Billion of the eighteen buildings.

Speaker 4 (01:54:43):
The rest of it goes back the Hydrop the bank.

Speaker 8 (01:54:48):
And I have yet to hear a opigon.

Speaker 4 (01:54:51):
In this province, whether it be opposition or government, say
that Newfoundland is only in four cents for power, not
six six. It's absolutely disgusting.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Where's that information for coming from?

Speaker 4 (01:55:10):
It's coming from how Churchill fault is struck.

Speaker 8 (01:55:16):
HWD.

Speaker 4 (01:55:16):
Your Quebec owns a third of Churchill fault. As a
matter of fact, Paddy, what I wanted to do was
give your listeners the call's notes and how this could be.
How hard you cobect the basic cent for the power?
But new Founan only gets four six? So is that

(01:55:37):
okay with you? If I just there's enough summary of
how it work. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
My understanding is that there's a couple confusing things from
the announcement itself. For starters, when they said a billion
dollars a year for seventeen years, adding up to seventeen
billion between now and twenty forty one. That's that's okay
if we're talking about an annualized average, because in the
first year, it's not that it's an average job by
the time we get to twenty forty one, and I

(01:56:02):
don't know where that information comes from. That some of
those seventeen billion dollars don't flow directly to this province
as opposed to someone goes back to Quebec, Like, I
don't even know where that comes from, to be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
Well, the way Churchill files want is owned by clown
cooperation called cfl CO.

Speaker 12 (01:56:20):
Yes, I know, yeah, a hydro Quebec.

Speaker 4 (01:56:23):
Owns one third of dfl cut a new finant hydro
or nel Core or whatever they call it these days,
owns two thirds cfl color and cfl CO pays out
all of its profits to its two shareholders. So the

(01:56:44):
MU said, Hydro Quebec is going to pay six cents
for the power. So Hidrick bec pays cfl CO six
cents for the power out of one hand. That's our profit.
The cfl cover the cfl it turns around and pays
out that profit. Who's two shareholders. Hydrick Quebec owns one third,

(01:57:07):
so they get one third of the six cents back,
which is two cents, and new Flan hydral four cints
because they own two thirds. So the bottom line is
Hydro Quebec pays six cents. See if dog call one
hand it's two cents back. In the other hand, it
would only cost them four cents a new Folan hydrael can.

(01:57:32):
That's the way i'merson, and you might.

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
Be right, that's not how I understand it, but I
can very quickly get confirmation of that one no problem.
I mean my understanding is the average cost going from
zero point two cents per kiloot hour annualized average between
down forty one will become five point nine cents per
kilo odd hour. Revenue between noun forty one seventeen billion dollars.

(01:57:59):
So then they talk about how that's going to increase
based on escalator clauses which were not part of the
sixty nine contract, which has been the bugaboo that everyone
in the province has shared. So those moneys increase by
twenty forty four to be two billion dollars per year
on average than by twenty sixty six billion dollars. That's
where they come up with that two hundred and twenty
five billion dollar number, which also floated a few times

(01:58:21):
in the conference. It went from two hundred to two
twenty five to two thirty five. So there was a
lot of numbers floating around that are pretty monumental to
try to wrap your mind around. But I will get
an absolute confirm piece of information regarding five point nine
cents versus four cents, as you have articulated here this morning,
happy to do important point.

Speaker 4 (01:58:42):
Well, Patty, that's like you're getting into the weeds of
the MOLU, and I tried to stay out of the week.
Look at the big picture here the MLU. They're going
to pay six cents and for getting eighteen billion dollars,
which is only an advanced bun way, We've got to
pay eighty billion dollars back in later years. This whole deal,

(01:59:04):
it's just absolutely incredibly stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
I think the only place for meat operators in the weeds,
because if we just take it based on headlines, then
we probably will not have a firm understanding of a
hugely complicated arrangement that is four different major projects wrapped
into one MoU, which also makes it extremely difficult to
get into it. We're talking about the Upper Church and
we'll talking about gaul Island. We'll talk about two major

(01:59:29):
transmission projects. So I think we have to get into
the weeds if we're actually going to figure out exactly
what's watch here.

Speaker 4 (01:59:35):
Well, Patty, I think the main reason that Hydrick Quebec
is doing this is for Churchill Falls power. All the
rest of this peripheral stuff. Sure, they're going to do it,
and they want to do it, but put it all
together and all these projects are not going to produce
as much power as Churchill Falls does. And if Hydro
Xebec can get Churchill Falls locked in for fifty one

(01:59:59):
years at four cents, they're left all the way to
the bank.

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
It really feels like, and this was leading into the
announcement of the MoU I follow along with the Quebec
media on the hydro issues, because it's always going to
be a concern here and it really felt like their
prime motivation here was gall that's what they need. They
need that additional two thousand megawatts. They talked about all
these projects that have come forward that they have had
to put on haul because they couldn't satisfy the power requirements.

(02:00:28):
So leading into this, it always sounded coming directly from Sabia,
coming directly from Hydro Quebec, coming directly from the province itself,
saying they needed that additional power. And they pointed consistently
at gaul Island.

Speaker 4 (02:00:42):
Yes, but god at and it's going to cost twelve
to fourteen cents. So I read and here's Chill Faull
going to get up for four cints if if hydrid
Quebec loses or Chill falls. They're big, big.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
Dude, but they're in no position to ever lose Churchill falls.
That's one thing that does not happen in twenty forty
one is so many people think that all of a sudden,
we own one hundred percent of it. We don't. Twenty
forty one was the end of a contract based on price.
The equity stakes do not change.

Speaker 4 (02:01:15):
Yeah, like what newfold Hydro on two thirds of it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:19):
Yeah, I just said, you're holder. The equity stake in
forty one was not scheduled to change based on the
sixty nine contract. And this MoU.

Speaker 4 (02:01:31):
Yes, but okay, your holders, they're gonna call the day.

Speaker 2 (02:01:40):
Points understood and taken. I will confirm four to six
cents asap. Now that's going to be on the top
of my mind all afternoon, so I'll see if I
can get that figured out for all of us. And
I appreciate you making time for the show this morning.

Speaker 4 (02:01:52):
You're welcome, Patty, thing for time.

Speaker 2 (02:01:54):
Take good care, bye bye, all right, final break up
of the morning. Don't go away, welcome back. Let's go
to that number one. You're on the air. Hi, pat
you're on the air. Go ahead, Hello there, I put
them on the see we get something going on. Let's see.

(02:02:15):
Let umber two, Rob, you are on the air.

Speaker 11 (02:02:18):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
Morning.

Speaker 23 (02:02:20):
I just I just want to give a shout out there,
like I'm out and seal cove here and uh so
we got the fire out in Holy Root pretty much.
It's contained and everything like that. But the lucky loses
that are coming up here and they're throwing their trush
around all over the place. All right, took two garbage
bags up today, up and what they what they call

(02:02:43):
the head and just stop throwing your trash around there.
There's no need of it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
Absolutely not. Someone sent me an interesting email of regarding
even just say Churchill Park, Churchill Square, the last time
I was there, you could notice it quite clearly that
there's a lot of trash around. But if I'm a store,
if I'm a retailer, I'm going to take a bit
more pride in how my shopfront looks. So I think
between individuals, stop throwing your garbage on the ground, and
for companies, put out a garbage can, empty it frequently.

(02:03:15):
And if there is garbage in front of your shop,
clean it up.

Speaker 23 (02:03:19):
Yeah, no, absolutely, it's just there. You know, you see
pizza boxes and old tim Horton's cups and all this
stuff strewn around. There's meeting another fella here from the community.

Speaker 4 (02:03:30):
You know, we clean it up.

Speaker 5 (02:03:31):
We try to keep it cleaned up.

Speaker 23 (02:03:33):
As much as we can, you know, but still, you know,
just keeping your truck until you go home for christ sakes.

Speaker 2 (02:03:43):
Yeah, it's not a complicated world, right, There's a way
to avoid throwing garbage on the ground. It's it's as
simple as don't do it. And every single spring, when
we talk about the amount of litter that gets revealed
when the snow goes away, is people keep saying to me,
you know what about the big fast food restaurants or
the big coffee companies for them to be responsible for

(02:04:04):
cleaning up. Look, they sold the burger in the coffee.
They didn't sell you something to throw on the ground.
It's individuals make the choice to throw stuff on the ground,
not the companies that soldly the cup.

Speaker 23 (02:04:14):
No true enough, true enough, But you know, just and
especially now, like people.

Speaker 14 (02:04:19):
Are throwing water bottles and stuff like that.

Speaker 23 (02:04:21):
It refracts the light and everything dry as a tinder
box out there now and a sort of refraction from that.
It's just like magnifying glass going on to everything.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
Absolutely. There was a report last week where someone picked
up a I guess a glass bottle that was full
of dry grass in an effort I supposed to start
a fire, which is you know, it's not only when
we boil it back down to what is or what
is not common sense. Some of that's just straight up criminal,
plain and simple.

Speaker 3 (02:04:51):
It is.

Speaker 23 (02:04:52):
It's it's absolutely horrible that people are thinking that, you know,
they can just go around on nothing's gonna happen. Because
you you were two and me too. I went through
the sixteen fire and this is just craziness. We've never
seen this. It's heat and this dryness out here, like

(02:05:14):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (02:05:14):
Recall every single summer of my life, but for me,
it really feels dryer for an extended amount of time
that I have not experienced, Like when's the last drop
of rain we ever had? And even when we had
that last drop of rain, everything's so dry that that
got absorbed in a heartbeat.

Speaker 23 (02:05:31):
Yeah no, that's right now. And it was just a
straight downpour, so it was only only ran off anyways.
And you know, like I said, we haven't been through
this this much before.

Speaker 2 (02:05:45):
Doesn't feel like it, and all we can hope for
is maybe a little bit bit weather cooperation and hopefully
and I know people are complaining about the extent of
the fines that have been proposed, but if it keeps
people from lighting fires, then good enough for me. If
you want to avoid getting fined, don't let a fire.

Speaker 23 (02:06:03):
Yeah, well, if I see anybody lighting the fire, I'm
gonnam in the face.

Speaker 2 (02:06:07):
I appreciate the time this morning. Thanks a lot. Okay,
take care, see you, rap bye bye. And I just
had an email I don't know, ten minutes ago where
someone says that they were walking behind someone down what
was the name of the street anyway, It was the
street here in the City Saint John's, and they were,
you know, within eyesight of them. The person in front
of them flicked their lit cigarette pot onto the easement,

(02:06:28):
which is covered in grass. By the time they got
to the easement, it was on fire. You know, I
had didn't know what to say about some of that stuff.
All right, Uh, A good show today, big thanks to
all hands, so all the callers, listeners, emailers, sweeters, you're
all right. We will indeed pick up this conversation again
to ae morning right here on v O CM and
big landfm's open line. Be after the producer David Williams

(02:06:50):
and your new sost Sarah Strickland. I'm your host Patty Daily.
Have yourself say fun, happy day. We'll talk in the morning.
By bye.

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