Monday August 25th

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is VOCM Open Line Call seven oh nine two
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(00:23):
Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
so much for tuning into the program. It's Monday, August
of twenty fifth. This is Open Line. I'm your host,
Patty Daily. Beth Vegan is sitting in for David Williams,
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five ninety VOSM, which is eighty six twenty six. So
the twenty twenty five Canada Summer Games are in the books.
After the closing ceremonies last evening, which looked like they
were pretty right time, so we certainly spotlighted the fact
that we're pretty strong in para and special Olympic sports.

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In the other competitions maybe not as much. But there
was five special awards handed out last night prior to
the closing ceremonies of the five three Winter New Flanders
and Laboradorians. All right, So Jamie Randall, who was a
chef the mission for team and L accepted the Jack
Pelich Award on behalf of the entire team. That's to
recognize competitive performance, sportsmanship, fair play, cooperation, friendship.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Good for the team. Molly palm Roy this is a
big award.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
She was given the Pat Luck Luck Cheld Award for
exemplifying true sport principle. She's a track athlete. And David
Debbie Short good friends of mine. They were two volunteers
from the province, of course, and they were honor with
the Paul Flaherty Volunteer Award. I'm pretty sure Debbie never
made it home for two weeks, slept in a trailer
close by the accommodation site. So congratulations to all hands.

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And you know, hearing things about the price of tickets
and those types of issues, and I have heard from
parents who were involved with their children here. The originally
from the province and came pretty good reviews for how
the competition was handled. And you know all the alternate
arrangements made to deal with issues such as the wildfires
and the smoke and what have you. But the games
during the books, you want to chime in on it,

(02:12):
you know me totally up for that conversation. This past weekend,
plenty of provincial championships in play for minor baseball. Just
want to isolate one particular champion. Special thank you and
congratulations to the Saint John's Capitals in the eleven U
eight Tier one.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
They are the provincial champions.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I mentioned that because my nephew, Charlie Martin is on
the team, so congratulations Charlie and his little brother Sam
was the bat boy. So bravo to the Caps in
the eleven eleven U eight Tier one. They are the
provincial champions. Fantastic and for golf fans, big win over
the weekend for Brooke Henderson, already the most celebrated professional
golfer in Canadian history, so she's had a bit of

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a drought for a couple of years, but over the
weekend she won the national championship. The CPKC champion. She's
won that tournament back in twenty eighteen. At that point
it was the first Canadian to win that title in
forty five years since Jolson Boorasso. She went again Quebec
who won back in nineteen seventy three. So fourteen titles
on her resume, some Grand slams also on her resume,

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some major championships. So Brooke Kennerson back in the win
column and that is a good one, four hundred sixty
seven yesterday to win by a stroke over Australia's.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Min g Lee. Congratulations Broke Kenner's a terrific player.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I mentioned the kind of Games should say, and we
talked about para sports. Gavin Baggs, of course, was the
flag bearer four medals in the championships and he's in
his fourth Games comes withy with four medals gold and
three silvers, three on the track and one in the pool.
Congratulations to Gavin in particular for sure.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Okay, so you.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Know, good news is we seem to be turning the
corner with wildfires. So most of the resources that would
be primarily focused on the Kingston fire which is still
summer in excess of ten thousand hectares Saturday, some low
cloud ceiling and some other issues which kept some of
the air suppression service is.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
On the ground.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
But hopefully they will be able to get that Kingston
fire under control as soon as possible. A lot of
rain in the forecast for tomorrow, hopefully a lot of
it drops right on top of that fire. All Right,
the whole thought of what's next is a big one
and a big question. Clean Up is going to take
a significant amount of time. Then it's the whole conversation
about insurance covers or access to the federal disaster relief fund,

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or what the province is actually going to do. But
the few things now we have congratulated and thanked everyone involved,
whether it be fighting the fires or opening up the
rams to welcome me vacuee's and all those issues.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
We're happy to take on any angle you're interested in.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
This morning, you know, we talked about how kind we
are in receptive to people visiting the province. Unfortunately we're
not as kind to each other. The story's coming from
Okrapit Cove, which has been devastated decimated by the wildfire,
the Conception Bay North fire. You know the story that
someone or some people have gone in and ransacked the home,

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stole an at the while people are being evacuated, worried
about what's going to be on the other end of
the fire when they get back to see what is
still standing or what has been lost. I mean, it's
just pure scum that would go in and ransack the
home that has been evacuated because of a wildfire. So
apparently one of the ATVs that were stolen to see
if I can get a description here a twenty twenty
two blue Cannon Outlander. If you see it around and

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if you know who stolen, look, even if they happen
to be friends of yours, they don't deserve your friendship.
I mean, these are just terrible people. On top of
all the anxiety and the worry and the frustration and
the anger, someone can come home to find out your
stuff is stolen. People have beat up the house, ransacked
the house, don't even know exactly what's been lost. Apparently

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there's three such examples of this that have happened. I remember,
I mean Okra pic Cove was a fifty nine structures
gone eighty six in western May. There's population of those
two communities with four hundred and forty three people as
per the twenty twenty one census.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
But yep, what is wrong with people anyway?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
We can take on anything involving the fires and the
pending aftermath because there's a lot to be discussed. All right,
we'll belong before the kids are back in school, and we've.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Talked about this issue.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I don't know countless Timson in This program is for
folks who are in some sort of manic, major panic
or rush that when a school bus stops and deploys
the stop sign and the red lights are flashing, it
still passes.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
You can only.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Imagine how many close calls have taking place out there.
And so now, in the form of a pilot project,
some six buses in this area will be equipped with
a camera to try to catch people passing a school
bus that stop with little kids getting.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
On or off.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Unreal, So the fins could be as heavy as twelve
hundred dollars, and they should be twelve hundred dollars every
single time. So my question would be, look, I think
this is a good thing, obviously, but why are.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
We starting so small now?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
The Minister Responsible, Sarah Stotally says they can indeed go
real big, really fast, there's no good reason as to
why not every single school bus in this province is
equipped with that camera. For some reason, people just refuse
to abide by the stop sign which means stop in
both directions, not just the people behind the bus. So
those cameras are being installed on six but hopefully a

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fast track towards the entire fleet. Your thoughts talking to cameras,
so as you know, I think the speed cameras are
a good idea. If it slows people down, excellent. There's
evidence to know their jurisdiction, especially when we talk about
things like school zones.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
In Toronto.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
They say they've reduced the amount of speeding and school
zones by some forty five percent. But here comes something
that may indeed be part of the speed camera issue
in this province, the reporting that cameras have been severely
vandalized this is Toronto twenty five times since last fall.
There is one particular location which has been repeatedly vandalized
to cutting the cameras down. So now they've had to

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add surveillance cameras to see who's going after the speed cameras.
So some people are vehemently opposed to the speed camera.
Talk about big brother government reach, what have you. But
if you drive around, especially here in the metro region,
which I can only speak to with any sort of authority,
any mechanism possible to slow people down is a welcomed
initiative in my personal opinion. Yours made different, and that's fine,

(08:14):
and we can take it on on the program. But
what's the likelihood that our speed cameras will fall prey
to the vandals like they are experiencing in Toronto. Probably
pretty high? All right, the economic update that we got,
I guess it was last week. The week's all blend
together here now. So we could take on, you know,
the deficit which is like six hundred and twenty six
million dollars. We can take on the borrowing costs of

(08:35):
four point one billion dollars. Yes, there are indeed some
pieces of good news retail sales and housing starts and
those types of things. But remember when the province decided,
without consulting the Auditor in general, to include all the
big tobacco settlement money, and this year's deficit so close.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
To a half a billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
That's the upfront payment, some up to around forty percent
coming from the big tobacco companies. The problem there gets
even worse now that we've found out that that.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Money's not even in hand. We don't even have that yet.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
So hear the minister talking about this is not a
cash issue, it's say, I don't know, I brusha refers
to a finance issue. I'm not sure that hair could
be split very easily, but included it in the deaficit
and we don't even have it. So when we talk
about the two letter word IF and all the heavy
lifting it does into the future, and for this up

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to forty percent upfront money coming from the big tobacco settlement,
unbelievable stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
You take it on.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
I'm going to put this back out there because I
still need someone at the provincial government level to just
explain to me and to others as to why exactly
we are not signed up for National firemacare. So it's
a question being asked around the country because apparently there's
only four provinces one territory that are signed on. Two
of those provinces are signing on this week, we understand.
So the biggest elimination is of any of these small

(09:56):
call pays. If people are told that your diabetes medication
or your catr are on the government, the federal government
time in the National Parmacare program.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
That's welcome news.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
So as a taxpayer of federal taxes, I would like
to know why we haven't signed on. Neither of those
aforementioned areas are concerned to me personally for my own
health and welfare, but.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
For many of you there.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
So if we're already chipping in with our federal taxes,
maybe there's an explanation that I haven't been able to
think of. But the National Pharmacare conversation is not going away,
So if anyone can chime in, and especially if you're
someone who would be able to avail of those first
two introductions diabetes medications and contraceptors, I'd love to have
you on the program to talk about what would mean

(10:41):
for you, and maybe someone at the government level, even
through a COMMS person or someone, just send me a
bullet form email about some of the concerns or the
negotiations or what exactly is going on here. Because it's there,
we can avail of it, but only if we sign
on to it.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Anyway, your thoughts, let's take it on.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Last week spoke with staff Sergeant Mike Sommers, who's the president.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Of the RNCA.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
We're talking about the special constables, which I think is
a really good idea and it's not a new concept.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
They've been employed in Ottawa and Winnipeg for quite.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Some time and they can take on some duties that
fully sworm police officers maybe don't need to take on
secure in the crime scene, staying on sight when there's
a big traffic issue on the highway, whatever, administrative duties, paperwork,
what have you. I also went down and we talked
about the r and C, saying that they need more
officers to come up with the national standards of officers

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per number of residents.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I also asked them how many RNC offers officers might
be on leave, extended leave, or otherwise. Didn't have a number,
but we do have numbers regarding the RCMP. So there's
an oversight body called the Management Advisory Board. They look
at this issue and make a recommendations to the RCMP Commissioner.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Okay, so here's the concern.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
As of December the twenty first of twenty twenty four,
about seven percent of the regular members were a long
term off duty leave at an approximate cost of fifty eight
million dollars. Why is that because they have no as
the Commission says, no incentive to return to work.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
They're on leave at full pay.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Other police forces in the country take it on a
little bit differently, so they'll have targeted decrease.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
In pay over x amount of time as you're on leave.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Look, no question, our CMP officers need time to recover
from whatever it is, a physical issue, a mental health
related issue, whatever it is. But for some and I
mean they just got an eight percent salary increase over
two years, is there's got to be a mechanism. Look,
I feel terrible for a member of law enforcement who
is indeed putting his or hurt life on the line,

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no doubt about it, and what they see can be
extremely traumatic. Of course, the possibility to be injured on
the job is high. But when the Commission looks at
the incentive to return to work, I think that's a
reasonable conversation that we can engage in. So we've got
the numbers. As it pertains to the AIRSNP. Now the
union is completely vehemently opposed to it, but seven percent

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of the entire force is on long term leave for
one reason or another. And of course, if you're on
leave with full pay, maybe just maybe at a certain
amount of time that you're off, that pay begins to
be reduced. And that might sound called hardly or kallis,
but you know, other police agencies do it in different
parts of the country, but at the RCMP not so much,

(13:25):
all right, kind of at least a dozen emails over
the weekend about how many people's wells.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Are running dry coming from the Gules.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
We had a conversation with the mayor Sunnyside last week
about their reservoir run dry in full. We know there
was a long, extended, hot, dry period of time, but
what's the answer here.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
So for let's just say the Gules.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
If you're on a handdog well, is there an opportunity
for government to understand that. You know, I take it
for granted, I turn on the tap and there it
is clean, clear drinking water. But for many people in
the province with some one hundred and eighty ish boiler
advisories in place, not the case.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Folks living on.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Wells, whether it be in Torbay, and the poisonous forever
chemicals that have tainted their water supply in some of
those wells, whether it be on the goules with it
running dry, is there a cost share possibility or some
sort of support that could move from the handdug well
to the artesian well which would be much less prone
to running dry. So if you're one of these folks

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who all of a sudden the water is just not there.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
In addition, for the communities that have seen.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
The evacuation orders lifted, we really need to be careful
about how we use water until it's tested and approved
so that you don't get yourself in any physical damage
because of the water not being up to the task
of being possible at this moment in time. But if
you want to take it on, let's do it all right.
So apparently there's an interprovincial trade announcement coming from the

(14:52):
government I guess the Premier sometime this afternoon. VIOSM News
will carry it live and hopefully there's some move on
that front. We have heard the cons nation from people
who want us to sign on the interprovincial trade and
those who oppose it. Basically, the argument we've heard is
protection of jobs, which has always been the case for
every province across the country. Even though there was an

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interprovincial free trade deal signed back in twenty seventeen really
didn't change a whole whole lot. And if we're talking
about protecting jobs at the breweries, boy, I get myself
in trouble when I speak to this one. So the
worry is if the big breweries were able to send
in products from elsewhere that much jeopardize the hundreds of
jobs at the two big breweries. Again, we'll use that

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heavy lifting word of if if legislation remained in place
that said you have to brew the beer here to
get shelf space in like a gas station or a
convenience store, and that is the case at this moment
in time. The breweries say that over eighty percent of
the product that they sell is sold from those stores.
So that makes sense to me. So if we sign

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on to some form of interpridential trade and that legislation
remains intact, does that.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Really compromise jobs at the brewery?

Speaker 2 (16:00):
And I have no interest in people losing their job?
Why would I be the silliest thing of all time?

Speaker 3 (16:04):
But you're going to talk about it. We we can
do couple of federal issues. Number One, political.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Slogans are tedious and they might work when people are campaigning,
but they have a funny way of hanging over your
head if you don't follow through with one three word
or another, in this case the two worder. It's the
old elbows up business, all right. So Canada is dropping
some of the reciprocal tariffs. Some remain in place, but
there will be no additional tariffs, even to retaliate against

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Trump's thirty five percent that was brought into place last
week or the week before. For goods that are compliant
with cosma, they won't see any additional tariffs. They were
gonna still talk about steel and aluminum, some auto related matters.
The union uniform says that this just enables further aggression
from the Americans. Small business organizations applauded, which reminds people

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exactly how the bloody tariffs work. Look as a can
and we can take on the whatever you think is
the right approach by the Prime Minister and the country
against all of these trade issues. Diversifying Americans is always
going to be the long term best interests of Canadians.
I mean trade with China up nine percent for instance.
But as a consumer, just a gentle and friendly reminder,

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Canadian companies are paying the tariff to import goods from
the United States. They may indeed swallow some of it,
but the bulk of it gets passed on to me
and you. So right from the get go when this
stupid traff based trade war kicked off, the misunderstanding about
how it works is now coming home to roost. For
many small business organizations aren't thankful here there's some financial

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relief and the same thing for consumers. I understand and
agreed there has to be some sort of pushback. We
can't roll over, you know, even though we do have
a trade deal with the Americans and we might be
in a more favorable position than in other countries. But
this is a relief for the consumer. And to negotiate
like that with a completely untrustworthy, unreliable partner is what

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is the right idea. I'll leave it up to you
to bring your thoughts to the program. And plenty of
emails and social media reaction to the additional two billion
dollars in support for Ukraine. It got renewed interest over
the weekend because the Prime Minister just popped up on
an independence.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Day in Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
He's in Poland now and moving on to Germany on
the heels of the visit to Warsaw. But that two
billion dollars is an announcement that was made back in
June at the G seven meetings in Kandanascus. So it
comes in a variety of different forms of financial support
for Ukraine in their fight against Russia. And you'll hear
plenty of people say, we just kindt afford it any longer.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I guess the.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Cost benefit analysis has to also include what happens if
the for instance, members of NATO don't support Ukraine. I mean,
that's the worry down the line, isn't it is that
you know, there's no reason to believe that Vladimir Putin
is going to abide by any agreement in the form
of a ceasefire or some sort of closure to this war. Why,

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because history is clear he has broken every single agreement
on that front since he came into power, every single one.
So yes, people are absolutely frustrated about two billion dollars
more going to Ukraine. And I know why I got
renewed interests over the weekend because it was re announced
in Ukraine. But that's money that was announced first in
June in kind of asks at the G seven. We're

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Speaker 3 (19:36):
Don't go away?

Speaker 4 (19:37):
He's open line on the VOCM big Land FM Radio network.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Welcome back to the show. Let's begin online number three, Darryl,
you're on the air.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Hey, hey, oh, that's good.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
Good Patty.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
What I want to talk about is.

Speaker 7 (19:55):
The drought situation, and as you mentioned on your pre there,
and I also heard a conversation here recently the mayor
of Bona Visa, John Norman, and timed out how their
reservoirs are gone to historic lows and due to the
dryness and our climate and not much grain, and so forfit,

(20:19):
there is a remedy to the drought and what we
should look at, like, for example, look at Israel and
what they do to convert the salt water into fresh water.
And I think we're going to start looking at that
because we are surrounded by water at the ocean, and
I think what we should start looking at lookout how
Israel does it, and maybe we're going to have to

(20:40):
look at things like that, because as time goes on,
this is the start off, you know, things probably getting
worse for the near future. So I think this is
what we look at. Look at Israel and use our
ocean water convert into freshwater. That could solve a lot
of issues, not only New Plan Labrador, but across Canada
everywhere in North America.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Desalination. You know, for somewhere like Israel, they kind of
have no choice. You know, we kind of have options here.
It's extremely expensive, number one, and there's a there's all
sorts of different approaches when you talk about things like
a thermal distillation and the desalination. We've seen work down,
you know, for instance, in the Great Lakes Wes. He's

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saying Tom Karens, the late towm Karens worked on things
like exactly that. So when I saw the screen set
Remedy to drought, Yeah, it can play a role. But
of course, if you're talking about something specific like wells
in the Ghules or the reservoir on Sunnyside or the
reservoir in Bona Vista, to ramp up to make it

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cost effective, and I've read a little bit about this,
to ramp it up to make it cost effective, you
have to produce an awful lot of desalinated water to
get to where we need to be. What happened their best?
I think I lost the line. Darely still there? Yeah,
I'm not so sure. We're sure what happened there, But
it's an interesting conversation, and yes, we can indeed utilize

(22:02):
that approach to it if people are so inclient. So
I don't know enough about it, and I'm certainly not
a scientist, but you know, reverse osmosis and or thermal distillation,
they're the two most notable desalination points. And when I
saw you know the screen the subject line, I thought
he was going to talk about cloud seating. Here are

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a lot about it, and there's plenty of research going
on in the country at this moment.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Of time looking at what cloud seating might mean.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
But of course then there's differences between cold and warm
clouds and exactly how is undertaken. So dropping silver eye
dyed into a cloud in very small particles, and the
concept is that they're extremely small particles while they make
their way through or filter through the clouds can become
big enough to actually form a rain drop. The problem
has long been that it is completely unreliable and it

(22:54):
has had spotty actual impacts. Is he back there? Bath
to happen? Back on what line? Which line? Put up
some fingers on a line number three to see if
we get Daryl back on three?

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Darrel? Are you there? Okay, I'll just keep going. So
can it be effective?

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Maybe it's certainly looking like we should be a little
bit more doing a little bit more research into how
it might work. I just look back in the forties
and fifties, there was a major project in the United
States called Project Skyfire, and they looked exactly at that
cloud seating or what it might mean. At that time,

(23:33):
they were talking about in extreme dry conditions to prevent
fires starting because of lightning strikes. That was the specific
focus at that moment in time. But I've heard a
lot from people about this, and you know, it's not
conspiracy theory, weird stuff. It doesn't modify the weather to
the extent that some people refer to when they say
cloud seating.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
But the Russians were.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
At it back in twenty and twenty and twenty twenty
one for the forest fires that took place at that
time in Siberia. So there's a conversation there. Uh, let's
see if Daryl's back on three Darrel, are you there.

Speaker 7 (24:04):
I'm there, Patty.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
I'm not sure what happened there.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
We we got disconnected. I'm not sure. I'll let you finish.
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Oh yeah, No.

Speaker 7 (24:11):
As we're saying there about how Israel does things convert
that and they got an other choice, as you said,
like from saltwater.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
To fresh water.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
But in ashural essence, we're probably gonna might cost a
lot of money. But in the alarm run, what happens when
reservoirs do go draw and you can't get no other
fresh water or arties and wells or whatever the case
may be. Uh, then what's the price we're going to
pay it?

Speaker 6 (24:35):
In?

Speaker 7 (24:35):
So, I think, and this should be on probably a
federal level, we're going to have to take a look
at all this because I don't see things getting better
for near future, and I know it's a cost factor.
But then again, we can't put a price tag on
people's lot as well, because I mean, we can't survive
without water, and like Bonavista and then there they ran
pretty close to empty from what you got, or are

(24:58):
coming close. Hopefully they're reboot it again. But not only that,
like you mentioned the ghouls, and there's a lot of
other communities besides. And you know, like so far we've
been good here, like Gander and like Saint John's, like
as you said, but in the near future, we're going
to have to take a look at this technology because
if we don't, I think the problems are going to

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get worse. And what happens if you get towns like
Bonapasa got no water and they're relying on fresh water,
what what's going to happen then? But at least we're
surrounded by the ocean, and and so we're gonna.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
Have look at that technology. I think we're seriously going to.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
Have to take a good, deep, good look at all
of it in general.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Fair enough that I appreciate your time this morning. Thank you.

Speaker 7 (25:42):
All right, Okay, thanks Patty, and again sorry for disconnection
or whatever happened.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
I'm not sure, but I appreciate your time. Okay, all
the best, Thank you, well by, And you.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Know we think of that. I'll just toss this out.
They're really not that important. But you know, talk about
the salinity of water. You know, we be talking about
the world's oceans versus the Dead Sea was in the
Jordan Rift Valley, as people know, it's between the Jordanian
border and the West Bank and the Israel proper. So
the solidity of the oceans is I think on average

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somewhere around three and a half percent, the Dead Sea
thirty four percent. I mean, you see pictures of people
floating right out top the water surface. We can all
if you know, you just relax and you try to
put out your arms and spread your legs. We can
float down water, fresh water like down near Spot. But
see people just it looks like they're actually on top
of the water because the water is so dense because

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of the level of salt in it. Put thirty four
percent compared to the world's oceans in and at around
three point five percent, that's probably apropos now, I think.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
But there you go.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Let's take a break. When we come back, Stella's in
the queue. She's actually a victim of the wildfire. Will
find out more from Stella. Right after this took away
is open line on the VOCM Bigland FM radio network.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number one. Stella.
You're on the air. Good morning, Stella, you're on the air.

Speaker 8 (27:05):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 9 (27:06):
I'll I'll just give you a.

Speaker 8 (27:08):
Little knowledge of who I am.

Speaker 9 (27:11):
I would think that I was the last.

Speaker 8 (27:14):
House that burnt in the north Shore on the North
Shore wildfires on the fifteenth of August.

Speaker 10 (27:22):
And my.

Speaker 8 (27:24):
Point of calling in today is that I just wanted
to make these points of some of the management things
that went down with the government and there the MP
if that fire go ahead, okay, okay. We had a
major fire in Adams Cold on May the seventh, all
warning signs of an arsonist between that time after that,

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I think my knowledge now that they were between eight
to ten fires started between that and August the third.
So fire started in Kingston on the third, we had
an evacuation orders. August the fifth, the premier admitted it

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had tripled in size, but.

Speaker 9 (28:10):
Only then did the province ask.

Speaker 8 (28:13):
For extra health. First crucial days of the fire, Newfoundland
was fighting with only two water.

Speaker 9 (28:20):
Runners in the Hole of Newfoundland.

Speaker 8 (28:24):
The government's decisions came too late. The resources weren't ready
when the fire could have been stopped, and once the
small fires of Holywood and Patty's Palms started.

Speaker 9 (28:37):
We were forgotten.

Speaker 8 (28:39):
Government knew of the prevailing winnings that day. They knew
pulling their resources from oct the coals and Western Bay
would burn them to the ground.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
So, Patty, here we are.

Speaker 8 (28:54):
We have seven hundred and thirty eight structures burned.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
One hundred and.

Speaker 8 (28:58):
Ninety eight homes there are gone. Both heat and water
damage will increase or triple that momth. We lost heritage buildings,
community halls, numerous numerous newfouland culture sites. The damage is events, schools,
post office and landscapes are gone. The sense, of course,

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the biggest thing is the sense of safety and belonging
in the communities has been shattered. Patty, we need answers.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I'm really sorry to hear that you've lost your home.
I can't imagine how that feels, honest to God, Just
so I have a full understanding here, you need answers
as to how resources were deployed and when they were deployed.
Is that specifically what you're looking for.

Speaker 8 (29:49):
Yes, that specifically what I'm looking for is why I
know that my house. When my house burnt, people were
watching it burnt from a hill in that down the
rout in Burn Point.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
I watched it.

Speaker 8 (30:03):
Burn because people were showing me videos that was that
date was August the fourteenth. No resources were sent to
the that north side of the fire. Everything was just
less less to burn. I not necessary for people to
believe like firemen were pulled out and things like.

Speaker 9 (30:24):
That, because I know the fire was you know, it
was an.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
Inferno, but it got to be an inferno because the
resources were pulled out, Like I'm talking to one house
after the other burnt, and nothing was done.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
Like we need.

Speaker 8 (30:42):
Basically, I suppose after results said and done, we need
an inquiry to find out why were the resources pulled
from Western Bay and over the coast.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
I hear plenty of these concerns, and I understand where
they come from. So the thought is some people's minds
is that the decisions about where and how to deploy,
whether it be boots on the ground or suppression services
in the air, were made by politicians versus fire duty managers,
folks who were actually working and have been understanding of

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how we're the best use of resources. So do you
think that there was any political decisions or do you
think it was all done by people who actually worked
in fire suppression.

Speaker 8 (31:24):
That's what we don't know. That's what we need to
be told. Like they have to promote and tell us
like what why what are those decisions made to uh
to let.

Speaker 9 (31:34):
Take out the resources send in the Holy World.

Speaker 8 (31:36):
Or Patty's Pan. And I'm not I'm not disputing this.
You know that the fire should have been out long
before the Patty's Pan in Hollywood. Now those fire starts
like we had one water bomber for a while, then
we when the when it got when it tripled, when
the fire tripled, then we had two and it has
gone way too fared in. There was no coming back

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from that.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
There was one day where the press conference included the
fellow's name was Craig. I can't remember his last name.
He's the fire duty manager. And I was glad he
was there because, you know, for the politicians to give
us updates, that's one thing, but he was there specifically
to talk about how resources were deployed.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Did you happen here at that press conference that day?

Speaker 8 (32:21):
I probably did. I listened to all of them here.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, So those questions were asked, he answered whether or
not people think that was the right answer, or they
agree with it, or they understood it or not. I
don't know how every individual hears things, but that it
was helpful to me because I'm feeling all these calls
and all these emails about how come they're not doing this,
how come they're not doing that? And he basically talked

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us through the criteria for moving resources and when you
can cannot be in the air with the water bombers.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
And helicopters and stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
So I'm going to see if we can't find that clip,
but hopefully someone in the newsroom has put that aside,
because if so, I think it'd be helpful for us
to replay it here, just so everyone listened to the
program understands how they approached when they've made the decisions,
on how they made the decisions.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
But I'm terribly sorry for your lostyle, I really am.

Speaker 8 (33:08):
And also I just wanted to say, well my property.
I'm in Northern Bay. So people have gone back to
Northern Bay, like the lights around and things like that,
But I lived Nordon May Sands area. That was that's
where it stopped.

Speaker 9 (33:26):
The fire kind of stopped there because.

Speaker 8 (33:28):
The wind changed. Of course, now in my garden area,
my sister I also had a business, Dear Johnson's Gardens
Nursery for about say forty years, and that burnt to
the ground, and really there was no need.

Speaker 9 (33:44):
If we had had help came that day on.

Speaker 8 (33:47):
The fourteenth and the fifteenth with a water bomber, we
would not have burnt. I watched a lot of bomber
on the fourteenth. It came after it left, had its time.
It arrived at the house of Northern Bay and starts
dumping water. Four o'clock that afternoon. It put the fire

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out that burnt us. It put it, actually put it out,
and I said, we're in good shape now that fire
is out. But of course the next day, the fifteenth
of August, no nothing happened, nothing, no one came, and
so the fire wiped us out, all of us on
that side of Northern Bay. It already had wiped out

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over the coff It burnt out over the cough every
almost I wouldn't. I don't even know if there's any
houses even standing there anymore. But we had businesses burnt
like there was. I just wanted to tell you about
Jacob's Meat like It's a business that was there one
hundred years, well known right over all over new Lands survived,

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as the owner tells me, it survived two World Wars
and the depression that burnt down.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
It's just just at the station.

Speaker 8 (35:01):
I don't I don't know, like the Dolts and has
to come out now and give the some answers. What
is going on again, Patty? This is a big thing.
What's going on with this arsonist investigation?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Are we where is.

Speaker 8 (35:14):
That going to happen again? Like next week, two weeks
or two years? Dan Rose like, something has to be done.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
I don't disagree.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Now the RCMPSA, they are investigating that particular fire, including
some fires that are on Twiling Gate as well. So
we're told that's an active investigation. And I hope if
someone actually let these fires, if there's an arsonist out
there or more than one, because I don't know, but
if there is, you can only hope they're caught and punished.

Speaker 8 (35:40):
Yes, well, this is not going to stop until they stop. Like,
I just want to add one more thing now before
I go, is that myself and Bill Helen we have
started a Facebook page. It's called north Shore Wildfire Victims.
And first when we started that page, we're thinking that

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maybe we just have the people in you know, who
actually lost property, but it just it just blooms, like
in the four days now, we have about twelve hundred members,
people who are joined, people who are telling.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
The story.

Speaker 8 (36:15):
Lost that you can hardly read your stories.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
They're so sad and.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Anyway, I'm getting them too, Stella.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
My email inbox is absolutely inundated with stories of loss
and it's horrid, it really absolutely is. And the what's next?
Why I suppose you one answers as to what happened
in the rear view mirror, Well, we also need those,
and then the bigger questions about how the mess gets
cleaned up and what's next steps and how people rebuild.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
I mean, the conversation is not over.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Even if the Kingston fire gets extinguished today, which it
won't if every fire is put out. We are just
at the very beginning of trying to figure out what's
next and insofar as how resources were deployed. I'll try
to have that conversation here on this program. I'll try
to get the right person on to talk about it
step by step, fire to fire, because I think people
deserve to understand how those decisions were made. If there's

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a specific criteria about protection of infrastructure or the transmission
lines or the population sizes, and I don't know, I
heard some of his answers. But I'll see what I
can do on the show for you, Sella. I really
will see.

Speaker 11 (37:28):
I don't think the firemen that the Northuer Fire Department
are allowed to speak now, like so, I don't know
when they're going to be left to speak, but I'm sure,
I'm sure they have lots and lots of stories to
tell how they were told to back off some houses
and you know, don't put the fire out and all
things like that.

Speaker 8 (37:48):
So these are stories that have to be told, like.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
You know.

Speaker 8 (37:55):
And and again we're hoping, we're we're hoping and we're
getting close that somebody who witnessed someone setting those fires
will come forward and tell us who who.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
There We have to stop that person.

Speaker 8 (38:08):
They're not going to.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Stop, probably not, because we know the mindset of the arsonists,
the pyromaniac is their glee is watching the fire burn.
Their glee is watching people panic and response to So yeah, absolutely,
and i'd like to. I mean, we won't get an
update from the RCMP and on any sort of active investigation,

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but someone out there knows something they do, and that
person or people who potentially started any of these fires,
they could have burnt down your house and your house
wipon next. They could have burnt down your nanny's house.
They could have burnt down a century old business in
a community that you're from. So someone knows something.

Speaker 8 (38:47):
Someone knows something, and people know things too.

Speaker 10 (38:49):
People are louting people's homes, now, Yeah, that's another thing
that's not that's the whole whole news story here, like
looting only inluding people's homes, people who are around their
at their worst moment.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
I mentioned one such story coming from Ocra Peco. Apparently
the r CMP have recovered some of the stolen items,
including the a t V. And apparently no charges have
been laid, which I don't understand why. But anyway, that's
a strange story.

Speaker 8 (39:17):
That's a strange story. I read that feel and I'm
thinking there's more to that story.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, me too, And that's that's.

Speaker 8 (39:26):
That's my story and I just want to tell it.
And I'm just hoping from.

Speaker 9 (39:31):
The people can hear me.

Speaker 8 (39:32):
I was a teacher in that on the North Shore,
and I'm hoping like some of my students if they can,
if they hear this call, that they if they just
get in contact with me and uh and give me
some information something that they know as who's starting gun bars?

Speaker 2 (39:51):
So that's not so much stuff, Stella. I appreciate your time.
I wish you nothing but the best. We'll try to
get some follow up questions and answers on this program if.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
At all possible.

Speaker 8 (40:00):
Thank you very much, Patty.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Take good care of Stella.

Speaker 8 (40:02):
Bye bye bye.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Oh boy, let's let's take a break. Don't go away.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
This is open line on the VOCM Bigland FM radio network.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number four.

Speaker 12 (40:17):
Rob.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
You're on the air.

Speaker 6 (40:20):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
How are you doing okay? Thank you? How about you?
Not bad?

Speaker 6 (40:25):
I just want to because I was listening to Stella
there and I've been on before and then talked about
the Fort McMurray fire which I lost everything, and the
government's got their pinkies in everything. That the people don't

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know what's going on because the government will not allow
people to talk about it, talk about what the boots
on the ground. That the people that know what's going on,
they can't talk about it because they'll get fired and

(41:10):
they will, you know, it'll just ruin their life if
they talk about it. And it's complete bs.

Speaker 5 (41:19):
What's going on.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Well, one are the decision makers regarding forest fires here
a guy named Craig Caley. Thankful, one of the listeners
sent along a link to his remarks in the press
conference on August the fifteenth. So he's a decision maker
regarding fire supressure resources.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
So he was he was speaking, yes, but he but
he's only going under governmental directive. And and that's that's.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
The biggest problem, because.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
Money is a thing where they don't want to you know,
they can't spend too much money.

Speaker 9 (41:54):
And it's and it's a big crap of you know.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
What, I'm not already saw what you're talking about. They
don't want to spend too much money doing what.

Speaker 6 (42:05):
Doing? Putting the resources out, you know, getting you know,
I know they got the water bombers in and stuff
like that, but uh, you know, they're they're not utilizing
them the way they should be. You know, my father

(42:26):
was a firefighter, you know, I you know, and like
I said, I've been through this before. And then the
in Alberta, it was just it was atrocious what they did.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Trying to uh say that they.

Speaker 6 (42:48):
Were doing the best they can, but they couldn't. And uh,
it's just a money resource thing that the government's doing.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
And I my heart.

Speaker 6 (42:59):
Bleeds for Stella who was on before because I know
there could have been more, more done at a at
a timely fashion.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
So but just get your perspective on this.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
It's going to actually cost the government more on the
heels of a wildfire to use your stars that they
didn't do enough. Now on the heels of between federal
tax dollars and provisional tax dollars, it's going to cost more.
So if if what you say has any semblance of truth,
then they're just bad at math.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
Yes, no, absolutely they are.

Speaker 6 (43:39):
And and they you know, there's it's always a retractive type.
They're not proactive on doing what they should have been
doing before this happened. They're you know, it's all just
like I said, is it's just you know, they're they're
they're on their heels. They're being reactive, not proactive.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
So insa fire is being proactive regarding fires. Are you
talking about anything in particular.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
Well, the water bombers for one thing, and like you know,
you you've been you've been talking about this for years.
The other water bomber that's been down since what twenty eighteen,
you know, why wasn't that fixed? You know, so we
have our own resources here to look after this instead

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of spending millions and millions of dollars on bringing other people.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
In the water bomber conversation.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
As you rightfully point out, we've been talked about that
on this program since twenty eighteen. And you know, and
here we are through all the jigs and the reels
and the hums and the haws and or are we
going to file insurance claim?

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Are we going to fit exit?

Speaker 13 (45:00):
Here?

Speaker 3 (45:00):
We're going to buy a new one.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
And here we are, now, all these years later, spending
the seventeen million dollars with Tablin Canada to have it repaired,
and people can talk, well, you know, we need to
do more on the national front, and the federal government
needs to take some play, some sort of role here.
Which is an interesting thing because from where I said
we want provincial authority and provincial jurisdiction to be protected.

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I'm not so sure why everyone wants the federal governments
involved in all these things all of a sudden, when
it's not that long ago people were loved for the
Feds that get involved in provincial decision making. So that's
that's one and ordering water bombers. We've told this story
many times already as well to Habland has a back
order dealing with water bombers that have been ordered, and
at the top of that queue are European countries. So

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Manitoba put down eighty million dollars looking for a couple
of water bombers, won't get them.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Until twenty thirty two or twenty thirty three.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
So you know, then we see and some of the
cost effective measures, maybe with the fire raptor helicopters that
we used in this wildfire season, the testing they're doing,
or the thunder Wasp drones out of BC. I mean,
they're not huge, but they can be very targeted to
take human interaction with smoke and fire out of play.
So there's a lot here to be yet to be considered.

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It's not all just about water bombers, as we're finding
out the hard way, and thankfully Ontario, Quebec and other
provinces they shared some resources with us. I imagine if
we had to take all of this on our own,
and I know we've done the same like less Summer
in Nova Scotia for instance, this province said resources along.
So that's about it. I'll give you the floor for
the last couple of seconds, Rob, before I.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Have to go to the news.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
Yeah, no, no, that's good, Patty.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
I just want to put it out there that you know,
the government, they're not helping. They're they're being They're not
being They're being reactive and not proactive. Nobody looks into
the future. And I'm not saying we can't look into
the future, but just you know, you've got to look

(46:53):
forward to things that are going to happen. And it's
cost more money for me and you and touch it.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I appreciate the call, Rob, Thank you, Okay, okay, bye bye. Well,
one thing we can guarantee ourselves is we haven't seen
the last wildfire. I mean, there's somewhere over seven hundred
wildfires burning.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Right now in Canada. I mean it's extraordinary stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Is there a role for the federal government to play
maybe is there some opportunity for like, for instance, to
have land. They bought the patent that used to be
held by Bombardier, and I think it was for the
CL four fifteen water bomber. Given the fact that Bombardier
to Havelin have seen financial support coming from the federal government,
not once, not twice, many many times.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Is there not a way for a priority for.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Canadian provinces at the habland for water bombers that would
precede whether it be one European country or another that
may have got in in front of Saint Manitoba in
this case, But given how the FEDS have helped that
particular company, is there not an argument to be made
about prioritizing water bombers for Canadian provinces.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
I don't know what do you think. Let's take a break.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Is open line now the VOCM big Land FM Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number three.
Good morning, Bianca Lono, you're on the air.

Speaker 14 (48:11):
Good morning, Patty, Happy Monday.

Speaker 8 (48:13):
How are you the boring?

Speaker 3 (48:15):
I'm fine, thank you? How about you?

Speaker 15 (48:17):
I'm doing pretty.

Speaker 14 (48:17):
Good, so Patty, I wanted to call in this morning
or are actually you guys called me this morning. I
don't know if you remember. Back in July I had
called in and I was sharing that I was running
for municipal council in War two and I have since
made the shift and the decision to run for deputy

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mayor in the City of Saint John's.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Why would you do that. I know the War II
ballad is pretty crowded.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
I can't remember that last comp maybe six or seven
people running in War two, and no one's running against
the deputy mayor. So is that the backbone of the decision.

Speaker 14 (48:52):
Well, it's a combination of a couple of things, and
a huge shout out to the War two candidates, because
I know that, you know, War two is maybe a
little you know, a smaller ward. It's a condensed population.
But I feel in a lot of ways we have
a lot of the problems in the city. But I
think personally my line lately has been acclamation and democracy

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should not share the same sentence. And I have been
really pounding the pavement in this city looking for a
full time position, and I'm thinking, you know what, if
I can step up for my community, maybe my community
will hire me for this position, because I'd bringing to
the table a lot of really fresh ideas. I've been
attending council meetings every two weeks in person just to

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kind of get a lay of the end.

Speaker 8 (49:37):
And I guess you would.

Speaker 14 (49:38):
Say on board myself. So for anyone listening in War two,
that is still going to be like my firstborn child.
That is my home and that is my stopping ground
and I will always, you know, advocate for Ward two.
But I feel like I'm going to have a larger
audience across the city and I really feel like this
city deserves some change. And for the records, I'm not

(49:58):
doing it for the money. Just as a sidebar, I
mean the the you remember our led sign, our six
foot lac sign that we were going to put up
in the city that costs more than the salary of
the Deputy mayor. So this isn't about the money. This
is about a three hundred and forty nine million dollar
city budget that I feel should be that people that
are really committed to having giving a voice to the

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City of Saint John's. And that doesn't just include War two.
That includes all five wards across the city. You know,
You've got Shag Heights, You've got the Gold and I
think that this is something it's exciting. I'm very excited
about it. I'm very passionate about my community and I
really think that I'm ready to step up and I
hope that the City of Saint John's is going to
give me an opportunity to show really how much I

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care and some of the really great ideas that I
have to bring forward because I think that Saint John's
has a lot of potential and i'd like to see
that's to come to fruition, for sure.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
So you say fresh ideas such as well one of.

Speaker 14 (50:55):
The things that I have on my So I only
shifted my platform a little bit, but I'd actually like
to see the elimination of at large seats.

Speaker 8 (51:03):
Pause for yes.

Speaker 14 (51:05):
Now, when I say that is because I'm looking at
some of the representation across the city, and there's gonna
be there's possibility that other wards will also be unacclaimed,
and they will you know, there's gonna be no one
else running within those wards. But I would love to
see the city of Saint John's have represents a strong
representation in every single war. I mean when I look
at Saint John's I see communities within communities. You know,

(51:28):
Kitty City has its own community. You've got downtown Saint John's.
You know, you've got the East End. And I think
it's really important that Saint John's, I mean, we're not
a big city, but we have big city problems that
they have represents strong representation.

Speaker 15 (51:41):
Within their war and then.

Speaker 14 (51:43):
I on the flip side of that, I would love
to see those roles as being full time jobs. So
when I say full time, I'm seeing full time jobs,
full time paid, but full time accountability. Because people may
not know this, but aside from the mayor's position, all
of the roles in all the other ten any council
roles or considered part time positions. And when I look

(52:04):
at municipal and I know a lot of people have
been talked calling in today and you know they're not
happy with the government. Municipal elections is the grassroots foundation.
I mean, I look at municipal as you know, that's
our day to day life. You know, it's garbage, it's
snow clearing, it's our roads, it's nonpartisan, and it's a
bridge of communication to the province. And that is something

(52:24):
that is.

Speaker 16 (52:26):
That's very important.

Speaker 14 (52:26):
I think that gets a little bit overlooked because it
really does impact our day to day lives. So I
do I don't want to. I'm going to plan on
calling in every Monday, and I'm going to discuss a
different topic so that I don't eat up all your
time today. But I do have some really great, some
really great ideas in terms of how we can kind
of tighten our budget a little bit and make sure
that the residents of Saint John's are being able to

(52:50):
take advantage of, you know, all of our resources and
where our.

Speaker 15 (52:54):
Spending is going.

Speaker 14 (52:54):
I've been doing a lot of I'm going to do
a little plug here if anyone wants to follow me
on Facebook. Bioncalano for Gaguty Mayor. I've been doing plugging
a lot of stats and a lot of interesting information
in terms of how our money is spent, different bylaws
that people may not be as familiar with because there's
a lot of there's a lot of details here. Saint
John's is a little bit different than a typical municipality.

(53:15):
I think, for example, the RNC is run by the province.
We don't our budgets, we don't have any budgets that's
allocated to the RNC. So it's things like that that
I think we need some strong leadership. And then not
to say that the leadership that we have right now
is not strong, but I think we need a fresh,
fresh out of.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Eye very quickly before I run on time. Bianca, what
is the concern with at large counselors? I think they
play it pretty effective role of what would be your
rationale for doing away with them?

Speaker 14 (53:41):
Well, I would like to see the all every reward
being represented as a full time role. Right now, they
kind of talk about it. It's kind of it can
be a part time job, so you can still have
your job and you can still run for a council.
But in the world that I come from a three
hundred and forty nine million dollar budget, it's not a
part time budget. And I think you would see a
different types with commitment coming out from people. And again

(54:02):
I'm not popuing on people that are running right now.
They are amazing candidates and I've gotten to know some
of them, but I would really love to see that
full time commitment to the city rather than just you know,
as a part time job, because it means the city
it runs full time. I mean, and I've got some
stories that I'm going to share with you over the
next couple of weeks in terms of things blank piece plan,

(54:23):
piece of prise, in terms of what what's contracted out
versus what is not. And I really do think that
having that full time commitment would make a difference because
it also is full time accountability. It's really hard to
hold people accountable if they're only giving half, you know,
fifty percent of their time necessarily to city council. So
can I just do a quick plug in terms of

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across the province for municipal because I know I've been
listening to municipal n L and I had attended campaign
school through Equal Voice, and I was shocked to find
out that there are so many communities that don't have representation,
like people don't step up into that role. And I
think it gets a little bit tankly when people think
of politics, but really it's about having passion for your

(55:07):
community and anyone can step up and represent their community.
So to that end, a little PSA for the province.
It'd be really nice if they would turn around and
announced finally when the provincial election is, because we're going
to be competing and all the municipalities are going to
be competing with the provincial election.

Speaker 17 (55:26):
Our city is going to be cluttered.

Speaker 14 (55:27):
With signs very soon. And this is a fun fact
you may not know, but municipal donations for campaigns are
not they're not They don't qualify for tax re seats,
so we are you know, people are counting the pavement
to get to know the people in their community. But
we're not eligible for to be able to give out

(55:48):
tax or seats for any donations which the province, in
provincial federal you're allowed. So it would be really nice
if we were able to share the floor. So if
they can announce that election, we know what's coming. I'm
getting stuff in the mail and I see some times
popping up. It would be really nice so that people
know where they can focus their attention because I can't.
I cannot bring home the point enough that starts with
municipal that is our everyday life when we're when we

(56:11):
talk about municipal voting, and again it's the bridge to
the communication to the province, and I just think that
that's it's really really important.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Fair enough, and you know, we've had minuticipal elections in
the past. We're not even enough candidates ran to fill
out the council seats, which is, I don't say, potentially
a thankless job. And many of these municipalities we have
volunteers as members of council, but a lot of what
we deal with in our day to day lives is
the responsibility of the municipality. That's true, Uh, Beanca. I
appreciate your time, most your good luck out there.

Speaker 14 (56:39):
Thank you so much. I'll be talking to you next week.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Sounds good.

Speaker 8 (56:43):
Have a great day. Thanks Patty, you too.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Bye bye. All right, that's gonna break in when we
come back.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Evertt has a personal wildfire story, and then we're talking
to Ukraine.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Don't go away is open line on the VOCM Bigland
FM radio network.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
And welcome back. Let's go to line number two. Everett.

Speaker 15 (56:58):
You're on the air, Hi, Patty, if you'd ever take recalling,
I won't take up too much your time now. I
just I heard Stella. I heard Stella on there about
Oak pe Cove and the far and Oak Cove, and
I'm sending the Jacob's family over one hundred years of

(57:18):
that meat shap Being.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
There tore my heart out.

Speaker 15 (57:23):
But I just wanted to say I been lived around
the world. I've seen a couple of f fars and
whatnot in Australia, in BC other places around the world.
I've seen it, and uh, I don't think I've quite
seen anything like the destructure with this wall far in Kingston.

(57:45):
I just want to say that, uh I do I
have a cabin, a small home over in oak cover
and saw that chriss Uh never got any confirmation uh
that the cabin has burned down or was there, But
our did happen. They just scoot over and boat two
or three days going to weather civil and look from

(58:06):
the ocean up and my cabine is gone. So I'm
not sure if that's a structure that is actually known about.
It's probably an extra one you could add to the list, right,
But the immense heat coming from this fire, I will
say I've never ever seen anything like it before. I've

(58:29):
had chop table saws, i had scaffolding and stuff over there.
There's literally nothing left. It is just disintegrated.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
It's horrific, it really is.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
So there's different processes for notification, different responsibilities for incorporated municipalities,
it's the responsibility of the municipality. For Cabin Country, it's
the responsibility of the Department of Justice.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
I'm pretty sure. So there's some of those splinters.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
It's probably a good idea if we've moved the notification
process all under one banner, just so there is limited
confusion out there when we're talking about such confusing and
heartbreaking times.

Speaker 15 (59:08):
I yeah, So that was one of my questions. I
didn't know if there was a specific person I could
sow my mates there. Do I own there at CMP
or do I I tried to get hold of someone
in the Prince of Government to let them know. I mean,
and I wouldn't expect anyone to physically walk down to
my passions. I have a firm out there. We'll see

(59:29):
some firms. So I have a dated thing at sixteen
hundred feet down across the same city edge of the
place where my cabin stood. So I wouldn't expect anyone to,
you know, take that race to walk down and see
if that cabin is actually still there. Well, I know
about I know of eight older cabin owners who are

(59:51):
and when I say cabin or everything from twenty by
twenty to thirty by twenty. You know, some of them
are small houses. People spend hundreds of thousands of dollars
putting them up there and in our off grade, remote
off grade cabin, so to speak, for inshorance purposes. But
you know they're also wondering and they would also like
to notify if their cabin is kind of you know,

(01:00:12):
they're asking me, who do we notify? How do we
get a hold of some existant case. It's also important
to understand the true devastation of this player.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yeah, I just want to get this right. Evert So,
for municipalities, it's responsibility to the municipality for notifications. If
it's an unincorporated community, I think it's a department of Justice.
If we're talking cabin Country, it's a Department of Fishery
and Forestry, gotcha.

Speaker 15 (01:00:38):
Yeah, so that's fisher inforce with who you would notify
you that your cabin is is actually burned out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Well, that's would be responsible for notifying you. So if
you have any questions about cabin Country, it's the Department
of Forestry.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Okay, that's good to know things, Kady, no problem, Tom.

Speaker 15 (01:00:55):
Yeah, no, it's good. And uh, you know, I just
want to say that sure are very strong individuals mentally,
emotionally and technically, and I'm positive that we will rebuild
from this. We will get back to some sense of normal.

Speaker 8 (01:01:13):
It is going to take.

Speaker 15 (01:01:15):
It is going to take some time. From what I've
seen justin Bold, it's it's extremely devastating. I've ever seen
anything like before.

Speaker 18 (01:01:24):
And uh, it's I think.

Speaker 15 (01:01:26):
When people actually return back to those communities, I truly
believe you know, it's it's it's going to take a
toll on their It's going to take a toll on
their emotions. For sure. Data I'm owing, and I think
probably some possibly some countenance should be said all for
or so forth for the people that returned there, because

(01:01:47):
it's it's not a very good situation at all.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
You know, we all need to see the aftermath, but
it is going to be a nightmare to actually see
with pictures and videos that are eventually going to come out,
and I'm sure the news media out let's are you know,
anxiously trying to get in there to share the information.
But I like if I was someone who had lost
the home or potentially lost the home and everything therein,

(01:02:12):
I mean, I cannot understand how people must feel here.
It's just I mean, here I am sitting in the
east end of town. It hasn't had a direct impact
on me and my family, but it has a direct
impact on my mental well being the last couple of weeks.
I can guarantee you that, Everett, I appreciate your time.
I wish you good luck. Let me know how you
make out with the Department of Forestry.

Speaker 15 (01:02:29):
Sure sounds good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Thank you, my pleasure to take good care. Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Can you imagine some of those pictures we're about to see?
I mean that's got a line number four. Terry around
the air. Hello, Terry around the air.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Hello, Hello, Hello, you hear me? I can hear you now?

Speaker 18 (01:02:50):
Okay here, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Good morning Terry.

Speaker 18 (01:02:55):
I to you, mainly to you about the you mentioned
in your pream about the war Ukraine and Canada's commitment
to give more money another two billion dollars I think,
and then buttle mean I was doing something. But before that,

(01:03:16):
I just want to again briefly mentioned the fire situation
nearing conception by North and that the High like I'm
sure the vast majority of this Landers feel for those people,
and there's going to be a long discussion, no doubt
on how the fire started, if it was human caused,

(01:03:38):
if it was ours, and how many structures were destroyed
I would affected all of those people's lives, and what
the compensation package is going to look like, and so
on and so, I, as one tax paying New Foundlander,
don't mine at all the tax dollars was spent fighting
that fire to our own resources and the resources brought

(01:04:02):
in from the mainland, and the millions of dollars it costs.
I think that is money that we should not even
be griping about. I mean, you put yourself within the
shoes of those people, and you will be worried about
ten or fifteen or twenty or thirty or forty million
dollars that the government spent by renting resources or chartering
resources and other provinces. I mean, they would have done

(01:04:25):
the same no matter where that fire was. It was
down here on the Favorite Pence, there was other baby
verd and you know, and anyway, I don't regards that,
and I commend the firefighting job.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
That was done.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
It's so easy to criticize.

Speaker 18 (01:04:40):
You know, we're excellent at criticizing our human beings, criticizing
the government, criticizing the firefighting. But you know we can
do all some of our injury sometimes the things other
than criticizing, right, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
You know, just a couple of things on that front.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Is Number one, are you seeing people criticize the money
spent to fight fires?

Speaker 18 (01:05:02):
Well, you had a previous collar there. It was saying
a couple of collars Ago, one or two collars. Ago
was saying like the government is only reactive or not proactive.
There is a shame what the government area or did
not do. It was not very complimentary of many things right,
And you know, yes the criticism is has its placed

(01:05:23):
at times, but sometimes we put more energy into criticizing
than we do to try to find something that was
done good, right and so anyway, but the main reason
I called, and again before I leave that topic, that
I know I'm only one citizen of our province and
the Lord has blessed me a little bit in the
last eighteen years and through hard work as well. And

(01:05:49):
if it's anything I can do personally, I just want
to say it on the public airways if they have
a fundraising venture or ventures, and I'd be only too
happy to help financially at best I can with the
constant of replacing the structures and the non human things.

(01:06:11):
I can't fix people's emotions and sadness. But and all
so if I give whatever one hundred bucks or five
hundred bucks or ten bucks, and thousands of all the
New Flanders do, I'm sure we'll all hat up and
help in our own way. So just one more comment
on how people are reacting here. Look, if someone has

(01:06:32):
been displaced by wildfire, if you've lost your home, or
someone belongs to he has lost her home and everything
that's in it, and you're frazzled and you're complaining, and
you're worried and you're angry. I just don't feel the
need to step on people when they're down, So they
might really firmly bled some of the things they think
can say here, or maybe it's simply a result of
their emotions just running wild because they have been impacted directly.

(01:06:54):
So I understand where the complaining comes from. I understand
where the frustration lies. But you know, there's probably a
time and a place for anybody to say, stop your complaining,
because it's tricky times and tricky emotions to navigate for
me and for individuals. So I get where they're coming from,
and whether or not their concerns are validated by reality,

(01:07:16):
I'll leave it up to the listener. Yes, and you
made an excellent point there, and that collar I refer
to might have been a person who lost his home
or structure or structures. And if that's the case, I
apologize to what I just said. An individual who's personally affected,
You're exactly right, his emotions at the time are gone wild,

(01:07:38):
and if that color was one of those people who
got directly impacted, I apologized to him that he probably,
in one way as a right to criticize because his
emotions are not are all gone topsy turvy at this time, right.
But what I meant by my count was that the
general public, it was not affected directly at all. Fires

(01:08:00):
is being credit call. Okay, not to that particular collar.
If he was someone who lost his home, I don't
know if he was or not. He didn't say or
I didn't hear him say, but to clarify that point.
So the main reason, what color reason to call it
is in your preamble you mentioned, but the Ukrainian War,
in the fact that Canada is contributing more money. I

(01:08:24):
think Prime Minister Coney submits to something that another two
billion dollar figure this weekend when he's visited Ukraine, and I, again,
as one taxpayer, don't mind that. I think Canada. Yes,
I don't think that government always spends their money wisely.
I can pick lots of places where I don't think

(01:08:45):
they are spending their money wise the provincial and federal.
But you know that particular have he was spending money.
I agree with because history. If we don't learn from history,
what are we going to learn from You know, we
went down this road with Hitler in the late nineteen
thirties and with Chamberlain there in England and disappeasement thing

(01:09:08):
and hoping that nasty person was going to stop what
he was doing by us giving concessions all the time.
We see where that got us. I mean I personally
visited Aschwitz last year in Poland and other concentration camps
and Burlean and all over Europe and the game this year,

(01:09:29):
and I see what the result of that appeasement was.
And my impression of this putin guy is he's another Hitler.
And if Canada can spend money to help the cause,
to equip Ukraine to fight that bugger, I want to

(01:09:50):
call worse than that, but I can't do it there
in public air rays and along with other countries in
Europe and the US. If Trump finally changes that to
a little bit, I think is money well spent. That's
just my opinion, Okay, So I'm sure other people only
have different opinions.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Yeah, they likely do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Look, Canada is one of the first countries in the
world to recognize Ukrainian independence back in nineteen ninety one.
Another I think important part of this conversation people who
can agree with the spend or not, But the largest
Ukrainian diaspora in the world is in Canada.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
That's part of the conversation here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Well, I guess the first largest is in Russia, the
second largest in Canada. In addition to that, US and
our key allies were involved in Now we weren't signal
tours to the Budapest Memorandum, but basically between the UK
and the Americans and the Russians convinced Ukraine to give
up all other nuclear capabilities in return for what security guarantees.
So it's again, there's nothing fundamentally simple about this conflict

(01:10:54):
in this war, but there's just a couple of reasons
that people can't consider if they're so inclined.

Speaker 18 (01:11:00):
Yes, and we as Canadians, we have a kind of
a brothererrood, which is what you were just saying a
different way with the Ukrainians. I mean, you go look
at Western Canada, our prairie farmers. A large number of
our prairie farmers are Ukrainians immigrants that came here a long,
long time ago, very hard working, smart industrious people. And

(01:11:23):
they're obviously smart and industrious.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Look what they're doing.

Speaker 18 (01:11:26):
You've got David flighting Goliad over there, and look what
they stood up to Putin and his sources over the
last two three years. I mean, they're amazing people if
you give them a chance, and I think we got
to give them a chance. We know where disappearment is
going to go. It's going to go nowhere. He's going
to take Ukraine and then he's kind of come after
Poland then the rest of Western Europe. We'll have another

(01:11:47):
world war. And as for this Putin's threat of nuclear weapons.
If you do this, if you do that, time ferst
to get off that vandwagon and college bloss and I mean,
you know what name and his bureaucrats on the room
is going to start a nuclear war. I mean he's
going to self destruct too, is that happens. So we
got to get out of that fear bandwig and that

(01:12:10):
where I'm to always we give long range missiles to Ukraine.
POD's going to use his nuclear threat again. That's all bullshit,
is my opinions. And tying across the way up and
look at what happened when we tried to work with Hitler.
And anyway, that's my say, so thank you very much
for your time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Appreciate yours, Terry, thank you. All Right, there we go.
Let's see here, let's get a break in. When we
come back, Agnes wants to talk about a story is
stolen Goods?

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
What that story in? Tails will find out took away?

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
This is open line on the VOCM Bigland FM Radio network.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number three.
Agnes around the air.

Speaker 19 (01:12:49):
Good dang and how are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Okay? Thanks? How about you?

Speaker 19 (01:12:52):
It's been a lot. I'm very good. It's been a
long time since I've been talking to you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Is this Agnes from Cornborough?

Speaker 19 (01:12:58):
Yes, it is very well. Welcome, Yeah, a long time. Anyway,
someone that I know at an accident two weeks ago
coming home from Saint John's. They rolled her vehicle and
the lady got hurt, so she was admitted to the
hospital and Grandfather's and now she's in the hustling corner

(01:13:21):
Brook and her son who was driving, they had rolled
her car and he had some bruises. He was taken
to the hospital, but he wasn't there too long he
went back to his car. They had been the castle.
But when he got back to his car, over two
thousand dollars where the stuff was taken out over the

(01:13:42):
gone someone stole everything. So to my mind, like whever
did that? Like if you want to take take it
home and say I had the stuff there when you're
ready to come and get it, or get in touch
with the cops and say the car is there, stuff
into it, stan guard or whatever. But anyone would do that,

(01:14:05):
I think that's the lowest person on earth. Unreal. It's
totally unreal to think. But anyway, he wasn't done all
that lone. When he got back, there wasn't a thing
left in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
So people are just I mean, so many people are
just simply awful. I mean, I don't know what the
protocol is for if and when there's been an issue
with a car roll over one place or another about
securing the scene and securing whatever might be inside vehicle.
It's a very similar type of criminal who's looting evacuated
homes in oker pick hole or a western bay or

(01:14:42):
what have you.

Speaker 19 (01:14:43):
You know, just the even hopefully that person is listening,
because I am a firm believer what comes around goes
around me too, so hopefully, and also I will pass
one comment on like, I watched the news a lot
and I had to stop watching it because it was
affected me too bad. I mean, to see what's happening

(01:15:06):
in Ukraine and to see what's happening in Gaza. And
I mean, like I'm questioning, like I thought United Nations
was set up so that we would never see this again.
You know, that's my firm belief, and I firmly believed
that Bouton and Nyu are Hitler's same as Hitler.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Well, it's it's an interesting conversation. Now, the United Nations
formerly the League of Nations based on Woodrow Wilson's thirteen points,
is generally a place for diplomatic conversation and the imposition
of sanctions, what have you. The UN has never actively
involved in fighting wars. We provide the old blue helmeted
peacekeepers via the United Nations, but I don't think they

(01:15:52):
have any real capacity to control actual round conflict on
the ground necessarily. And you know, it's also to me
that you know, there's some countries have simply ignored the
international criminal courts, which is just sort of strange thing
that the Americans won't recognize any of the rulings made
and whether people like it or not, Vladimir Putin and

(01:16:13):
Benjamin Atinia who have been deemed war criminals and the
people disagree. But that's actually a determination that was made
at the International Criminal Court, and of course the Americans ignored.
We know that to be true because the Russian president
was in Alaska last week.

Speaker 19 (01:16:26):
Yeah, I know, it's awful. It's awful what's happening. And
speaking of Ukrainian independence, say, I attended a Ukrainian independent
celebration yesterday and at Ski Lodge, blooming Down Ski Lodge
in Cornerbrook, and there were seventy four people there and
it was lovely and it was it was so nice.

(01:16:48):
And they're very talented, very very good people, very hard workers,
very good people. And Patty and Bett I got approached
there while I was there. Actually it was a counselor
from Cornerbrook approached me and see what I start up
to support group again?

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
Are you going to I?

Speaker 19 (01:17:12):
Well, I'm eighty five years old now and I'm still battling.
So but I did tell her when she's ready to
have meetings, I'll help her in any way I can, no,
I will, and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Good on you because you and I have spoken many
times talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Some of this many times.

Speaker 19 (01:17:29):
I mean, I did a support group for twenty five years,
volunteer for twenty five and I'm in a way I'm
still doing it because I cannot tell you how many
phone calls I get from Molocroste Island when when someone
is diagnosed and with cancer and they can't handle it

(01:17:50):
very well. Well, I've been diagnosed like fourteen fifteen times
now and when someone is battling they can't handle it
very well. Apparently the Cancer Society gives them my phone number.
Is that right to the upon And I don't mind.
I mean, I don't mind at all, you know I

(01:18:12):
actually I should say I don't mind. I enjoy it.
I love to be able to.

Speaker 6 (01:18:18):
Do that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Right and good and you for doing exactly that, Agnes.
I appreciate the time this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Thanks for calling, Thank you, you welcome, have a good day.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
You too, byebye. That's funny. Over the years, things like
are you Agnes from Cornerbrook? The first thing part of
my mind, let's see yere, let's take you right tak away.
This is open line. Now the VOCM, Bigland FM Radio Network.
Welcome back to Lennard. Well, let's take it on to
the PC candidate running at Mount Saio and the upcoming
whenever it is parential election.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
That's Darryl Hines saying, Morty, Darryl, you're on the air.

Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
Well, good morning, Patty, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 20 (01:18:51):
I just wanted to call in and touch on the
Special Constable initiative forty iron C. You know, there was
a shooting in Para the weekend of August eighteenth, and
the community, of course is thankful there has been an
a race, but I've heard a lot from seniors and
people in the district very concerned about the lack of
police presidence on a regular.

Speaker 5 (01:19:11):
Basis and as well, you know, as just this past.

Speaker 20 (01:19:16):
Week and I talked to two gone door to door,
I talk to two different iront C officers to tell me,
you know, and they welcomed the Special Constable initiative, but
there still seems to be a significant exodus and stampede
out the.

Speaker 5 (01:19:27):
Door of officers.

Speaker 20 (01:19:28):
I mean I had two different members tell me the
week and in the past year or so they've lost
about twenty four members and that don't include normal retirements.

Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
I mean they are sy peer heavily recruiting and taken
away people.

Speaker 20 (01:19:39):
You know, private industry like insurance companies, are hiring away
all these frontline officers, which unfortunately are all mid career.
A lot of them are very specialized train like identification,
different sections like that, and they're all leaving the R
and C and patting My concerns, I guess this is,
you know, pr positions to fill because you just can't
take you know, I constable less than three or four

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year service and put them in.

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
So many specialized positions.

Speaker 20 (01:20:05):
So well, I think it's great that we're hiring and
trying to get some special constables to take away so many,
you know, the human resource struggles that the police force got.
I mean, I'll go back to what the association said
a couple of weeks ago, they're about ninety members short
to meet any conter national standards for policing.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
So my feor is they're.

Speaker 20 (01:20:24):
Putting or putting a band aid on a much more
serious wound, you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Know, possibly, but I think you do both at the
same time. I mean, I know that, like, for instance,
the fifteen thousand dollars bus root to try to entice
more recruits into the R and C, more money in
the most recent budget, albeit some of that money simply
to cover off R and C geographical footprint expansion in
the West Coast, you know, more money for five RCMP
officers in Happy Valley, Gooseba and surrounding the area. So

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just morehere I sit, and I could be off base.
The special special constable concept makes sense to me, like
if I have a fully sworn police officer, statup, I
rolled over transport truck for ten hours on the highway
as opposed to a special constable. I think that's a
better use of the fully trained officer. What do you
think all one hundred percent?

Speaker 20 (01:21:09):
I mean, look, I mean the members I talked to
the weekend and Friends of Mind and both forces, they say, look,
there's a house fire and a suspicious you might have
a police officer, got to know quote sit on the
house for twenty four to thirty six hours, so you
just sat out in front of it in your car
and early, you know, mundane long days and you know,
theoretically it's it's not what they're trained to do, or

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it's you know.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
It's it's you know, it's it's not as telling and
busy as they practice could be.

Speaker 20 (01:21:35):
So you're right, I mean absolutely, I'm all over special
constables and theory and.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
All that stuff.

Speaker 20 (01:21:40):
But again I'll go back to the problem is still
if there's if there's you know, you got a trickle
comed in the front door, but there's a stampede out
the back door. I mean, Patty, if if twenty four
people not including retirements, have left in the past couple
of years, and again this is all mid level, mid
level officers, is what my people are telling me, and
people I'm rung to want going door to door mount Sile,

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it's it's it's a concern way because they say, look,
there there's you know, you're losing people with very specialized,
experienced training, and you know it's not easily replaceable. So
even special constables ain't going to fix that problem.

Speaker 5 (01:22:11):
So I think whether it needs.

Speaker 20 (01:22:13):
To be you know, look at their collective agreement, uh
in the next round of bargaining, look at some kind
of human resource strategy or plan for justice and policing
in the province, which I don't think we got. That's
where we really need to look at it more of
a holistic approach, because again it's it's great to have
these special constables and the tender are going to recruit
now again. But I mean, if you're if there's a

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stampede out the door between retirements, some people going to
the Federal Police Force and DFO and private industry, you're
still you know, you're you're just you know, your net
numbers every year is just going down and down, is
what I'm being told.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Sure, And I mean some of those officers, A significant
percentage of those officers have five years or more experience,
which is hard to replace with a new recruit obviously,
So you know, I think a lot of for some
the agencies right across the country are facing similar concerns.
You know, the public's perspective our law enforcement has changed dramatically.

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When I was a kid, they were respected far and
wide and trusted far and why. And I think some
of that relationship between the general public and law enforcement
agencies has been compromised in some form of fashion over
the years. And like when I talked to Mike Summers
last week, some of that is because some of the
headlines only happened when and if something goes wrong or

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there's a bad behavior from a law law enforcement officer.
So politically speaking, how do you attack that. That's like
a social issue, and if a politician had some sort
of intervention, what could that be. I'm asking that from
a position of ignorance because I don't know what role
politics can play in staffing up law enforcement agencies necessarily.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
So your thoughts, Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:23:51):
No, look, it's it's a big issue. I mean obviously, Look,
I mean the officers I talked to the week, and
it's it's easy to say. Look, I'll go to RCMP Patty,
I'll instainly get a raise, significant raise, and then expansion.
I mean, which is you know, as you look towards retirement,
is significant, consentive and you know, so our police force
got to be competitive.

Speaker 5 (01:24:07):
But look, the seniors and people.

Speaker 20 (01:24:09):
I talked to, you know, when I was store knocking
over the week in Elizabeth Park, tell me that, you know,
it's frustrating because you might have a breaking at your shed.
You called, there's no one common They'll tell you to
fall online and you know, you have car accident, whatever,
just put it in online and they keep the statistics.
But there's no one ever comes because I mean, you know,
there's no community policing. And again I'll go back to
the members I talked to over the weekend, A lot

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of them Saydarrel, I finished up a twelve hour shift.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
I'm probably leaving fifty.

Speaker 20 (01:24:33):
Sixty calls there I don't get to and they're passed
on to the next person, and they're dealt with overnight
or in the next shift.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
And people are called back and.

Speaker 20 (01:24:39):
Said, look, follow it online, we're not coming, or you
know what I mean. You might have a convenience store
that there has a minor break in and someone shows
up five days later. I mean, it's tough to get
community buy in when people call for assistance, and I mean,
you know you've had one that made a break into
the shed. To some people, is not the most serious
prime considering drugs and murders and assaults.

Speaker 5 (01:24:59):
Really going on their community. But if if, if you call.

Speaker 20 (01:25:03):
And you're not seeing a response, and you don't see
police officers in and around your community, it's tough to
have buy in and community support situating. And I mean
you were around the same age I mean growing up.
I mean if Darren See was held in high regard,
but you saw him around, I mean there were street
patrols and you know, motorcycle patrols and you're seeing them
down around walking out around the community, whereas now I

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mean again it's it's unfortunately if you see it on
the evening news when there's a stabbing or a serious
shooting or some kind of serious incident where you know,
safety alerts and the sheltering place is issued and all that,
and that's that's really sometimes all people see from the
police force, which is unfortunate. So, like I said, hopefully,
if if we can get a human resource plan or

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something to really stabilize the police force.

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
And you got to step you know.

Speaker 20 (01:25:48):
We got to there's one thing to hire and them
all over.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
I mean, it's.

Speaker 20 (01:25:50):
Wonderful, but boy, we got to stabilize and try to
keep up we got and if the numbers are being told,
if that's true, boy, I mean someone they gotta someone
should be looking in the mirror and saying, what are
we losing so many mid career officers that are leaving
our profession to go to another police force or private
industry or the federal government because clarity there.

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
Is a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Yeah, and you know how that gets dressed or that
leak to be plugged, will leave it up to everybody
else to chime in on it. But my immediate takeaway
is not just about staffing levels. Is one just how
difficult that job has become. To just look at the
stats of Canada, numbers regarding the prevalence of a serious
crime in this province. So while they might not be

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reacting to my shed that was broken into is because
they react to a gun call or a drug call,
or a sexual assault or some sort of issue regarding extortion.
I meanwhile, I'm not bringing the numbers for it. The
numbers speak for themselves. So while you prioritize and your
triage how to approach one call or another. That's what
my takeaways. Things have changed one how to be what

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it's like to be a cop, and to the nature
crime in this province and how that's.

Speaker 20 (01:26:58):
Changed percent I mean with I mean, and do you
want to go do that where your risk being shot
or stabbed or spit at or assaulted as a frontline
police officer for the you know, the current salary with
the constable starts out. I mean, I you know, boy,
if you're not if you're getting less and less people
applying and you get more and more people leaving, and
again maybe it comes down the conversation. Maybe you know, again,

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if you had a proper humor source strategy for policing,
maybe you could adjust some of this stuff. But if
you're not getting good quality people applying on mass and
you're getting a stampede out the back door, why clearly,
clearly there's a problem. And you know, again this has
been going on for a number of years, and now
the Errancy Association is identified for short ninety you know,
we should have a ninety aditional members. And the front

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line officers. I'm hearing them outside going door to door saying,
Daryl bod we've lost probably over two dozen in the
past couple of years, again going to the RCP for
more money. And again they're taking their special skills and
their training and everything and going on out the door.
I mean, I mean, and then you wondered then again
to seeing your.

Speaker 5 (01:27:58):
I talked to you yesterday when she had little breaking.

Speaker 20 (01:28:01):
In her shit called, I mean apply online. She said, Daryl, boy,
I don't know how to fill out forms online. I mean,
I was hoping someone's gonna call, maybe take fingerprints, maybe
do some investigation, but it just didn't happen, right, I mean,
and I guess there's all the priories and this is
what happens fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
I appreciate the time I've got to get to the news. Darryl,
thank you, good luck.

Speaker 5 (01:28:20):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
We're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
By bye. All right, does take a break for the
news CAUs. All right, let's go to line number one.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Alex. You are on the air. Hey, dear Baddy, great you, goodbye.

Speaker 21 (01:28:31):
And what I want to talk about talking that you
know no strangers this show is cellphone coverage. The I
guess what I did. I'm driving across the problem going
from Saint John's the corner Brook and uh, I purposely
called in when I got to Whipburn and now I'm
in Goobe and it dropped you three times. I had

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to call back to the show, which is not.

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
Knowing your fault.

Speaker 21 (01:28:57):
But it just I can't even drive from Goobi's to
a barn without losing ths having a decent cell phone coach.
And there's something that product province is is this a
be in my bonnet? I guess you know an you there, Petty,
I'm listening, yeah there, yeah, yeah, it's just a bit
of a being at my bonnet. You had Danny Breen

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on this morning.

Speaker 12 (01:29:20):
I didn't have a mom, but.

Speaker 21 (01:29:21):
He was quoted saying, oh, we're so excited to have
all these events, and we had all this new Canada
Games venues. Now that's crazy. But you can't hold a
concert in Churchill Park without you know, no one's able
to use their phone because we got twenty thousand people
in an area, which is people too, you know in

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other parts of the country. You know, I do some
ubering on this, and I remember I was working the
Churchill Park nights and the app would go down, the
app wouldn't work, So then people are ubers and that's
where our world was going. And then of course the
taxi cabs, the Orange taxis that go around at Base
now you can't even call it taxi. I've had people

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having to walk two or three kilometers away from different
venues in the city because they can't get cell phone service. Like,
what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Uh?

Speaker 21 (01:30:13):
You know? And yes, people feel very good. We got
you're in the middle of the woods. Yeah, but not
last week when I was in the hardest John's and
you can't make you can't make a phone call. It's
just it's unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (01:30:24):
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
I know what's going on.

Speaker 21 (01:30:27):
It's infrastructure, I guess, but it just seems like it's
the same old conversation. And yeah, it's just you know,
and it's when your cell phone bills are Me and
my wife right now, our cell phone bill every month
is two hundred and.

Speaker 12 (01:30:42):
Fifty dollars for two of us.

Speaker 21 (01:30:44):
Now, yes, you could argue that we're paying off the
phones as well, but guarantee it's one hundred dollars each
for getting into.

Speaker 6 (01:30:51):
The Bell or the Rogers or whatever you is.

Speaker 21 (01:30:53):
So I know, it's pretty pretty lame, pret lame complaints
given the you know, the significan and so what else
are going on in the province right now, but just
unbelievably frustrating.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
It's not insignificant at all.

Speaker 22 (01:31:06):
Me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
We're paying for an unreliable spotty service number one, number two.
I mean, for instance, if you had to be in
a dead zone and was involved in a collision, if
you're in a dead zone and you've rather got a
flat tire, like there's a public safety components of this conversation,
which absolutely makes it significant in my mind.

Speaker 21 (01:31:28):
Oh yeah, I mean, like I'm just looking to here
now and I'm just in the middle just pull over
and Robin's here a gas station. And you know, I
just went in the bathroom that time, and I walked
back down and as I was in the building, I
looked at my phone in the SOS symbol came up,
which means no service. And I was literally in the
lobby of this business. And I come out and I'm

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only now beating like one bar and I'm in a
truck stop, a popular spot here on the highway with
one bear service. And it's just I don't get it.
And how are we not getting city cell phone serves
in the city, you know, in these big you know,
Minneapolis metropolitan areas right gin, there's the Grandfall, the Corner Brooks.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Still it's still.

Speaker 21 (01:32:13):
Spotty regardless where you go. And I don't know, if
you talk to someone, and Danny Breen and all these
other mayors and politicians will throw at a federal issue. Okay,
well someone make it a big issue because it's affecting
the laws of you know, people that are New Flanders.
So whether or not you got to put more towers
in there, is that what you got to do. I
can't be that expensive, but a tower up use it is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
But you know that doesn't justify the fact that there
aren't enough servicing all the mobile phone users in this province.
Like I said this to a caller on cell phones
last week. I live in the east end of the
capital city of Saint John's and there's parts of my
house I can stand at the island in the kitchens
in the textas I go sit down to watch TV.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
I can't. I mean, that's just ten feet away.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
So it's completely different than it was so very few
years ago. There's one caller, I don't know when it
was a few months ago, uh said that she can
sit on her couch, look out her window and see
a transmission tower a couple of years ago, full of reliability,
full service, and now she doesn't have the same service,
and the transmission tower has a move nor has her couch.

Speaker 21 (01:33:21):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's getting away from people.
I don't think the maybe the provincial government did not
lie eazy enough with the federal government to let them
know about our population change. But you know, if you've
got a family of four coming from regardless where they're from, newcomers,
never been here before, they're probably bringing in, you know,

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fifteen devices, you know, or more that connect to Wi
Fi and connect to Internet, and you know, you know,
every one person has at least a couple of devices
that are on this network. So I just don't think
there's we're not communicating well literally and figuratively, because.

Speaker 23 (01:33:59):
You can't communicate well because it's a cell phones. Cellphones
says my language, but no cell phone serverge right, So
it's so frustrating. You know, if it was three four
dollars a month or.

Speaker 21 (01:34:09):
Fifty or sixty dollars a month, a little bit different.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Yeah, I completely get where you're coming from. People tell me,
you know a variety of things. There is more and
more phones using the same infrastructure that five G has reduced,
the geographical footprint, all of the towers, reliability and effectiveness.
So I guess there's a bunch of issues that play
as to why it is the way it is. Alex
anything else before we either lose the connection or say goodbye.

Speaker 21 (01:34:35):
I got one more thing. I mean, you often say, oh,
I get these people on, and I've never heard someone
come on and talk about cell phone coverage. Have you
ever have anyone volunteered to come on and talk about this?

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
You mean from the big telecom companies, big.

Speaker 21 (01:34:51):
Telecom company, member of parliaments. I know it's a federal issue,
Danny Brien, I knows the city issue, Prime minist premiers.
Is there anyone who you can get on and talk
about this, because it's a collar every week. You're getting
a collar once a week around cell phones, yep. And
it doesn't seem like people calling. But usually right now
you've got.

Speaker 5 (01:35:10):
This morning, I was listening to you.

Speaker 21 (01:35:11):
I can guarantee you today or tomorrow you're gonna have
that seller on. Craig put the Fire and Emergency services.
You know he's probably gonna come on, or you're going
to play clips. If we could get someone to talk
about what's going on with cell phone service bus.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Well lovely happy to get a provincial minister who's part
of their responsibility and or federal member of parliament. I've
repeatedly reached out to the big three telecom companies, inviting
someone to come on to answer us to why I'm
paying for a service that I can't rely on and crickets,
but I'll keep trying. It's just emails for me, that's
no big deal. I'll see what I can do.

Speaker 21 (01:35:44):
I mean, and I know there's someone listening them from
the provincial side, and maybe some counselors, I mean maybe
some missions earlier was talking about how the grassroots Minisipolo
maybe they have a place to play in it too.
Maybe you know, you're saying you live in time right
next to the airport for christ akes, you know, you know,
maybe they can do something.

Speaker 16 (01:36:05):
Maybe they can you.

Speaker 21 (01:36:06):
Know, walk their way up you know. Anyway, I don't
know anyway, Patty, thanks Bud of your great, great shower
and good show.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
I appreciate the time.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Alex TUN's alot okay bye bye uh so boom emails.
I don't know if it was real or not. And
if it wasn't she said, no, that's pretty big, mats
the ball. Let's take a break. When we come back,
we're talking healthcare out in Cornerbrook.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
Don't go awact. Welcome back to the Show's called Len
number three.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
You sake it more to the independent member of the
Hospitalsembly elected in and serving the folks a Humber Bay
of Islands.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
That's Eddie Joyce. Eddie, you're on the air.

Speaker 16 (01:36:40):
Thank you again, Patty for taking my call.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
No problem.

Speaker 16 (01:36:43):
First of all, I just want to pass on thought,
some prayers and the people from the West Coast, people
who are affected by the wildfires, and all the volunteers
and all the workers who are working to save a
lot of homes and property. So her thoughts and prayers
were all those people are affected. As this time, we
were not involved with it, but we're definitely concerned and

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feel so sorry for so many people that are hurt
by the fires, by these fires. Absolutely, Patty, I just
wanted as the election is coming up and there's some
major concerns that Cornerwak has never been addressed because they
always just push it off till next year. The next year,
and you heard about the I've been on the open

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mind and been in the media a lot about the
backlog at the emergency department at the Cornerback Hospital. And
probably about eight nine months ago, John Hogan, who was
the minister at the time, came out and announced forty
five bids going to be put in the old Western
Moy Regional Hospital. And at a meeting I had with
the senior staff here in the hospital and I went

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through that fifteen for people waiting who need time to
have a bit of recovery, fifteen will be used for
people that are already in their homes and we need
to go to a line term care for they're going
to be used for in the old Western fifteen bids,
So I leaves fifteen for the residents line term care

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residents who are now in a qute care bids in
corner Brook. That means will be approximately forty five to
fifty still line term care patients in a qute care bids.
They're still causing and will cause a major backlog, a
bottleneck at divergency department where there are no bids. We
need a line term care plan for this. This is

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just a stopcat measure that's going to be announced now
during the election in September and the September come out
caught the rhythm, but they're still not solving the main
issue of not enough q care bids. And I'm getting
on a daily basis people who go up who are
putting the stretchers in the quarters because there's no beds
and they're being told there's just no bids to put people,

(01:38:52):
so we can't put you guys have to wait here. Yeah,
and I'm talking to elderly people. People are very sick.
Many people leave. So the idea off this forty five
bed is going to solve this issue at the emergency
department in Cornerbrook is misleading to the people to say
the least. And I'm waiting for either which which one

(01:39:14):
of the party is going to come out come up
with a line term serve solution for this major problem
in Cornerbrook, and it hasn't been done yet. And I
want to raise that issue because it's very serious and
a lot of people are actually leaving, leaving the emergency
department because after twenty two twenty three hours they can't
stand it anymore to pay. So that once you get

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in the hospital, once you get admitted, the service is great.
The care that you get is number one, it can't
be questioned. But the problem is it is getting into
the hospital. So I think for the parties to come
out and explain what they're going to do and not
just say, well, we built forty five beds over there,
but ready's are going to be fifteen, that there's sixty

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that's going to be the end still going to be
forty five to fifty beds still with the line to
care patients, Betty. Another issue that would help a lot
with the emergency department is the nurse practitioners allowed to
build MCP. I've been at this issue now for about
two years. I know Tony wakem and nous Pissemily said

(01:40:18):
he would approve it, and I'm waiting for a press
conference that what he say is going to come to
CORNWOROK have a press conference on it. But the Liberals
refused a bunch allowing the nurse practitioners to build MCP.
It's mind boggling why that's happening. So here you got
a flood of people going to emergency department in Cornerbrook

(01:40:40):
emergency department just to get a prescription for a year
the prescription and they're waiting hours and hours and they're
taking on a valuable time. And why this issue is
not done And I'm waiting to see which party is
going to allow this to happen to help out so
many people, a lot who can afford to go to
nurse practitioners if they got to go back once a

(01:41:01):
months for blood worker, they got some kind of illness.
And so that's a major issue to her. On the
West coast also.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
A versery everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
You know, when I hear an announcement, look obviously forty
five additional beds is going to help, but my question
would be who's the staff to keep the beds open.
It's the same thing right across the board in healthcare,
like you mentioned long term care and a que care beds,
what have you. How many people are currently in the
hospital bed who belong in a long term care bed,

(01:41:31):
but there isn't enough staff to open up some of
the beds that remain closed in a variety of long
term care facilities in this province. Until we get the
staffing right in long term care, we're going to be
swimming upstream.

Speaker 16 (01:41:41):
But Patty, this is where the planning comes in. This
is where the planning was back in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
that was in the and that was in to have
the line term care extended or have bungalows built for this.
This is part of the planning. But what happens is
when you get this bottleneck. This is when the major
issues comes in because everybody saying, well, we got no staff,

(01:42:03):
but you had to plan that out at the time,
and this is the issue. Now you're taken for fifteen
from line term care, line term care patients from the
QW care bids and put them in now which is
going to be a great facility, no issue with the facility,
but you have to make planning because this is not suitable.
This is just a stop gap measure. So I'm asking

(01:42:27):
each party wash your line term plan for this, because
there's not going to be solved just by putting fifteen
extra bids or forty five bids or fifteen line term
care patients moved out? Is wash your plan for the
line term because there's still the issue is the emergency department.
And if you don't take it, if it takes a year,

(01:42:48):
if it takes six months to get it resolved, seven
months less plan to get this done. There has to
be some way that we can do this, but right
now it's just not happening. A lot of people are suffering,
and I hear it on a daily basis, daily base,
even that nurse practitioners would would alleviate so many visits

(01:43:09):
to the emergency department. Just think about a petty last
year and I said this, Alberta opened up sixty three
nurse practitioners' offices here, we can't even get one. There's
something fundamentally wrong with that. When a person can't afford
to pay for healthcare, which is supposed to be free,
can't go to a nurse practitioner and build MCP. And

(01:43:31):
John Hogan said it's because they're having discussions with the
nurses union. He said that to me in the House
for Assembly. It's on records. This is something that people
are being affected. And I here regularly daily, daily on it.
So many emails and calls on it. And this is
an easy fixed and all support it. Whicheverment comes out,

(01:43:53):
all support it. I'll be there for the people at
corner Brook and the Humber Bay of Oues.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
I appreciate the time and the concern this morning, Eddie,
Thank you.

Speaker 16 (01:44:01):
Patty, thank you very much again for the opportunity to
bring these major concerns for it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Happy to have you on. Thanks Eddie, thank you. All right,
boye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
So now some people take me task on variety things.
I say, as nature the beasts, right, that's what comes
from sitting in this chair. But I'm going to stick
with my position on nurse practitioners. I do not understand
the augment to gains having them be able to open
up their own clinic or office and bill MCP. So
if the rationale is that it would maybe draw nurse

(01:44:34):
practitioners out of the public system and into the private sector.
I don't think anybody really cares if a nurse practitioner
can be seen and he or she would have extensive
training and a real long list of things that they
cannedy do that they're credited to do. If I went
to this one caller last week put it perfectly. If

(01:44:55):
I see a nurse practitioner at the emergency room at
Saint Clair's, I don't have to pay MCP based If
I see a nurse practitioner in a collaborative care clinic
MCP pace, So why would it not be the same
thought if I go to the nurse practitioner's office on
Elizabeth Avenue. What's the difference? So if I see someone
in the public sector or the so called private sector,

(01:45:16):
and I get the care I need access to primary care,
I think that's all people care about, isn't it. Yes,
some people have the money that dropped the cash on
the barrel head to see a nurse practitioner.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
But not everybody does. And that's the trick. Let's take
a break.

Speaker 11 (01:45:28):
We'll go back.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Another hopeful counselor running in the municipal election, which is
on the second of October, and Gary wants to talk
about the golf fishery and then whatever you want to
talk about, don't correct is open line.

Speaker 4 (01:45:39):
I'm a VOCM Bigland FM Radio Network.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Let's go to line number two and sake word to
the Kake Cadagan running for a Counselor at large position
in the October second election.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
And good morning Kate, you're on the air.

Speaker 14 (01:45:51):
Good morning Patty.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
How are you great today? How about you?

Speaker 22 (01:45:55):
I'm pretty good, can't complain. I'm just calling in today.
I want to talk talk a little bit about our
climate preparedness. First of all, of course, I want to
thank all the fire crews and all those involved in
battling the fires across the province, not only the Patties
Pond fire, but of course many are experiencing anxiety with

(01:46:16):
the fires and I'm thinking of them. We actually took
a brief break when the fire is creeping near Southlands
in Galway. We took a break from campaigning to keep
everyone safe, of course, and since then I've been talking
too many residents, especially in Southlands, about what that experience
was like for them. And one thing in particular keeps

(01:46:39):
coming up that they were on an evacuation alert, which meant,
you know, they could be evacuated at any minute. And
currently in Southlands there's only one exit for that community
to get out safely in case there was you know,
the evacuation order. And you know, obviously this is a
huge issue. We're seeing climate change hit our province differently

(01:47:01):
than we thought it might have. I think most of us,
including myself, thought this might look like floods, but clearly
we need to be prepared for wildfires and as climate
change continues. As a city, we need to be prepared
for this kind of change, and that includes making sure
there's safe evacuation routes in all of our communities as

(01:47:22):
well as building them into development plans for new subdivisions
and neighborhoods fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
And every time I hear that concern, it reminds me
of the Fort McMullin fire. At that time, there was
only one way in, one way out of Fort McMurray.
There had long been a second entrance and egress planned
and it was never dealt with, and then all of
a sudden the wildfire hit and everybody who had to
evacuate had to take the exact same route. It was
scary stuff, man, see the visuals of people literally driving

(01:47:50):
through the fire. The fires are both sides of the
highway and they're still trying to get out exactly.

Speaker 22 (01:47:55):
And I think we're seeing pretty much the same thing
here in Southlands, Galway. There is the exit that's been
you know, under construction for quite some time, but it's
still not opened yet, and I don't know, you know,
what it's going to take to get that exit up
and running, because I think there's no better example than
what we witnessed just a few weeks ago, where we
could have had thousands of families, you know, leaving their

(01:48:16):
homes all on the same road, right and you know
that that road, south Lands Boulevard, is not prepared for
that amount of traffic. And it's certainly important that we
look at different avenues when when evacuating to make sure
that everyone can get out safely and of course in time.

Speaker 19 (01:48:34):
Yeah, because safety, of course is.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Always first, fair enough, And when you talked about preparedness,
you know, I know there's been some moves made at
the city council level talking about protectional wetlands, which is
part of it. So are there any other specifics you're
talking about when we talk about preparedness. You know, we
just talked about egress and you know I just mentioned
wetlands or anything else comes to mind, Kate.

Speaker 22 (01:48:55):
Yeah, absolutely. I think one thing that should be considered
by counsel, and certainly I would advocate for if I
were elected, is some fire breaks along those neighborhoods that
are close to wooded areas. I think, you know, with
the new development again, we're looking out south Lands here
backs onto heavily wooded area and I don't believe there's
any fire breaks there. You know, we need to be creative.

(01:49:20):
I don't think these fire breaks need to be you know,
gravel pits and all that kind of thing. But there
are examples and projects that have been done that have
used green fire breaks, so basically planting vegetation that is
less flammable than what we're seeing now. And that's a
great thing for a neighborhood, a community to have, you know,
new green spaces and something that many residents are looking for.

(01:49:43):
But it also adds that another another layer of protection
if you know, we are to see this kind of
emergency happen again.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Yeah, So, I mean, we do know that the majority
of like prinstances. One thing, if you have caniferous trees
and the risk pulls for fire, the spread of fire.
I mean, the vast majority of the city is pretty
much populated with maple trees. I mean my neighborhood is
just one big maple tree.

Speaker 22 (01:50:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, And that makes sense. And
of course there would have to be research that goes
in behind this and seeing what the best plan of
action is. But I think that is certainly something to consider,
and what that fire break looks like deserves consideration. But
I know those residents are feeling really anxious with just

(01:50:35):
the fire, you know, kilometers away from their homes and
really nothing in between them to slow the spread.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
Yeah, because like I just mentioned, maples or oaks, what
have you, they are less flammable.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
I mean, everything will catch on fire if it's wood.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
But you know, it doesn't have to be ugly, like
you mentioned, it doesn't have to be just a big
barren gravel pit for instance. All kinds of things dog
woods and daylilies and mad maples and all other soccular
and some hydrangees. These are things that can be part
of a pragmatic fire break exactly.

Speaker 22 (01:51:05):
And I think that's the kind of solution we should
be looking at. Where you know, our city is growing
and expanding and building this kind of you know, fire
safe infrastructure into new development is important and again we
can be creative with it. It doesn't have to be
an eyesore. It can be something you know, beautiful but
still have an element of safety to it, so you know,

(01:51:27):
our communities and our neighborhoods and our people are protected.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Fair enough, Kate, anything else you'd like to talk about
sporting while we have you.

Speaker 22 (01:51:35):
That's it for today. Thank you so much for having.

Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
Me, Patty, I appreciate your time. Good luck out there.

Speaker 15 (01:51:39):
Thanks, have a good one you too.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
Goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Kay Caddigan running for it at large position in council
here in the City of Saint John's. Will I hold
Gary for after the break? No, I'll take him now.
Let's call line for Gary around the air.

Speaker 12 (01:51:56):
I was wondering a good golf fish for you. Yeah,
over the where New Brons with Quebec and Pei in
Nova Scotia. Everybody in the in the province, if you
wanted to, could come out and fish in the golf fishery.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
Couldn't they fish? What you mean commercial.

Speaker 12 (01:52:13):
Fish for codfish.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
Codfishery golf cotta shutdown.

Speaker 12 (01:52:20):
Over around Nova Scotia.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
Why do I'm not familiar with all of the commercial fisheries.

Speaker 12 (01:52:26):
In commercial not commercial, I meant the food fish.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Oh, the recreational food fishing. Okay, two different things.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
Well, let's shut down for everything.

Speaker 16 (01:52:34):
Golf.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
Yeah, I've actually got there's some updated.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
Okay, So northern cod golf cod, two different species. No
commercial golf fishery at this moment of time for a
golf cod. And what's the point you're making about everyone
could or should go out and go.

Speaker 12 (01:52:50):
No, if the golf food fishery is open, everybody over
in the golf fishery could go out and fish if
you wanted to, couldn't they for the food fish, right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
Yeah, where the food fisheries open, people can go out.

Speaker 8 (01:53:02):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
I mean we talk all the time about the restrictions
put in place here and the different way the province
is treated compared to say, for instance, Nova Scotia. But
where the fishery is open, yes, people go out. I
think I'm getting your point.

Speaker 12 (01:53:14):
Is Newfoundland facing the golf fishery the western coast of Newfoundland?

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
Is it open for the recreational food fishery.

Speaker 12 (01:53:23):
My understanding is yes, no, yes, But I'm saying, like,
is the western coast of Newfoundland? Is that on inside
the borders of the golf food fishery?

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (01:53:34):
Well, why can't everybody in Newfoundland go out and fish
every day in the golf food fishery on the west coast? Well,
it's like everybody in Nova Scotia can.

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
Yeah, I mean, that's the point. I just made a
couple of things. Nova Scotians can't go out every single day.
The difference there is that they have a bigger or
a higher bag limit. Like here we're tall as five
and there it's ten.

Speaker 5 (01:53:57):
Yes.

Speaker 12 (01:53:57):
Well, if we're facing the same food fish as Nova Scotia,
why can't we have the same limits. Yeah, I mean
we're we're on the golf fishery the same as Nova Scotia.
Why are we discriminated against the in the same area
the fish.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
That's a good question. I don't have an answer. And
neither is the fo Neither is the Minister responsible. So
those are the two entities that we need to be
able to answer that question. Even if it was just
equitable across the board, even if we had the same
rules as Nova Scotia. That would temper some of the
concerns people talk about, like it feels like it's all
bad enough that we're told Saturday, Sunday, Monday thirty nine days.

(01:54:38):
Although they did that two extra weekends here regard because
of the hurricane era and then the wildfires and stuff.
But people still feel it's unfairly restrictive, even if it's
just comparing ourselves to other parts of the country, including
Nova Scotia.

Speaker 12 (01:54:49):
Yes, yes, it's unfair. And then we have our own
people saying well, if we could get tags, we could
get this, We could get that they're on their mind
and their own rights that they should be fighting for
the same as what Nova Scotia got. They're trying to
settle for less. You know, what do you want to
look for tags for? If they can go out more

(01:55:10):
than us and take more fish, why do you want
to take less tags? You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (01:55:14):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
Yeah, I mean I've only ever mentioned tags or logbooks
for one very specific reason. We hear from commercial harvests
that they don't want to see any increase to the
recreational food fishery, whether it be the number of fish
you can take, the number of days you can go
at it, because of course they rely on that stock
for a living, but we really don't know how much
it's taken. So if there was, if there was just
one summer where people had to fill out a log

(01:55:37):
book or to use the tag at the wharf, just
for once and for all to have a film understanding
how much is being taken, then we're just all going
to be guessing yes, that's right, yep, which is not
great either.

Speaker 12 (01:55:51):
No, it is not, garryot That was my comment on that, right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
And I appreciate making it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
Anything else you'd like to say this morning, No, that
would appreciate your call.

Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
Thanks Gerry, Yeah, thank you, welcome bye bye. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
And then of course there's the strength of stock in
different zones, because again they're not all created equal, which
poses a pretty tricky problem. You know what people in
one region or another stand for. You know, we talked
about the on level playing field between ourselves in and
Nova Scotia, for instance. Can you imagine if there was
different rules and different zones in this province. I don't

(01:56:28):
think people would accept that very easily or lying down
or whatever the right references. So yeah, let's check it out.
On the Twitter where BOSM openline you know, if to
do follow us there. We're taking your emails as open
on a FIOCM dot com. Still another full segment left
in the program. Let's hope it's occupied by you if
you're in and around town seven zero nine two seven

(01:56:48):
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Speaker 3 (01:56:56):
We're taking a break and then we're coming back.

Speaker 4 (01:56:58):
HEAs oping line VOCM, big Land FM Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to letting emberon
one Ron are on the air.

Speaker 13 (01:57:08):
Yes, Patty, we're talking the other day about our last
week about Mary Brown Center going cash for us yep. Yeah,
and we'll just like to recap that a little bit. Yeah,
I saved myself personally. Now I'm going to go out
and go to the bank and or going along wheneverywhere
I got to do it and get my debit card

(01:57:29):
set up for the tack thing now, because I've been
talking a few people over the weekend about this and
they said, okay, take me for instance, when I go
and I guess for people that were just tuning in
that don't.

Speaker 5 (01:57:42):
Know what we're talking about here. We brought we should
recap that first. Did you want to do it? Or
will I do it? Well, I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
The concern is that if they won't be accepting cash
at Mary Brown Center, maybe not everybody is carrying plastics.
Some people are they like to use cash. You had
a question about, well, whether or not that would pertain
to the fifty to fifty what have you? In an
effort to get all the accurate information. Brent Mead, who's
the CEO of Saint John's Sports and Entertainment, is going
to be on this program next week. He's on holidays
this week, so next week we're going to have him

(01:58:10):
on to talk about all of those related matters.

Speaker 5 (01:58:12):
And that'd be great.

Speaker 13 (01:58:13):
Yeah, I already worked out. Yeah, that's great. The great
public Starcauz. This thing we're starting to ramp up. It's
going to start getting traction here really quick when this
team hits the ice kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (01:58:23):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:58:23):
So yeah, So, like I know myself, I'm going to
go to the bank. I'm gonna get my debit card
set up for tap because when I'm stop my buddies
week and said, okay, you go down to the line
up and if you use a credit card, you might
your receipt back and you're punching in your numbers and
then you haven't got your glasses on the end and
you're looking to see the numbers and is it really
going to speed things up? Like coming out of the
gate kind of thing? So you know, you know, having

(01:58:48):
that what's your name, Brent.

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
Is it Brent Mead? Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:58:51):
Yeah, and having him on talk and get it out
in the public airwave is a bit more you know,
in the other forms of communication as well.

Speaker 5 (01:58:58):
Be great for the general public as well.

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
Yeah, it's happened to next week.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
We exchanged text messages right after the show when you
were on last week talking about it, and so he
is coming on. I know Bright a little bit having
worked with him in the past, so he was quick
to offer his time to talk about that and other
things Mary Brown Center and another thing Saint John's Sports
and entertainment.

Speaker 13 (01:59:16):
Yeah, and last week you mentioned the float never in
fifty floats or whatever he got going down and sound
popcorn ice cream out. I get that, and never hanging
the like I'm okay with it myself personally, Like you know,
I can manage it. But I know a lot of
people are not going to be probably aware of it
the first night especially, and yeah, I need to get
out in there, you know, more public probably, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:34):
Yeah, So next week people will be hearing from mister
me to talk about that and everything else under the
s J sc umbrella. I appreciate this RONN to sneak
out one more call. That's what Lee number two, Harry
around the air.

Speaker 17 (01:59:46):
Hi, I'm calling from.

Speaker 3 (01:59:47):
Troup, Robert, Sir.

Speaker 17 (01:59:49):
And like you can early see across the road here
with the smoker.

Speaker 3 (01:59:54):
Is that sick?

Speaker 8 (01:59:54):
Right?

Speaker 17 (01:59:55):
I don't know if it's coming from the wildfire shore
on the East coast or not, But like did the
southern mountains intro where you can't even see them today
and the smoke is right strong you walk out the
door and is choking right?

Speaker 3 (02:00:08):
Well, what direction is the wind blowing southwest southwest?

Speaker 2 (02:00:12):
I would have no idea what's contributing to the smoking
conditions chart River To be honest with you, Harry, Well, like.

Speaker 17 (02:00:17):
The smoke, there's a lot of smoke, and like we
haven't heard anything about it, Like you think somebody will
be checking and announcing where the smoke is coming from.

Speaker 2 (02:00:25):
Or whatever, right, Yeah, Because I mean this year, last year,
and many summers in the past, we'd have smoking conditions
experienced in different parts of the province. And the smoke
can be coming as fire, as from Quebec wildfires or
Nova Scotia wildfires or Labrador wildfire. So the source of
that smoke this morning that you're experiencing, I'm really not sure.

Speaker 17 (02:00:43):
I suppose yesterday, right, okay, And the wind has been
the same way for the last two days now, right,
so I figure that's where it's coming from. But like
nobody is saying anything or whatever, right, and the smoke
is getting thicker.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
Yeah, Off the top of my head, I really don't
know the answer to your question, but I can probably
figure it out.

Speaker 17 (02:01:03):
Okay, so oldfully, it's nothing too serious, but it's not
another fire over on this side, I hope. So well,
if a fire ever starts there in the park, there
won't be a darn thing left because all the trees
are dead in the park.

Speaker 2 (02:01:16):
Yeah, and all the dead trees, the fire loads that
that fuel that should be cleaned up. We talked about
that all the time, and I don't know why we
don't do more on that front, to be honest.

Speaker 16 (02:01:26):
Yeah, but see, the.

Speaker 17 (02:01:28):
Park didn't do any spraying in the last couple of
years either to get rid of the bugs. And now
all the trees are dead. What's not turned brown is
turned red gray. So like if a fire ever starts,
the park will be white.

Speaker 5 (02:01:40):
Two.

Speaker 3 (02:01:42):
That's not good. That's what nobody needs to hear, Harry.

Speaker 17 (02:01:44):
So I'm top that's what the park wants.

Speaker 5 (02:01:47):
They're not.

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
Why do would you think the park would want that?
Just curious.

Speaker 17 (02:01:53):
Well, they're trying to get rid of all the animals
in the park. They don't want any moves or anything around.
They've opened up the season there for the last seven
years shooting moves, which is ridiculous. I figured that's why
people cover were how many or to see.

Speaker 5 (02:02:06):
The wall life?

Speaker 17 (02:02:07):
Right, we're trying to get rid of all they don't
want it around. It's strange for a park because I said,
can you imagine going ooting baff and shooting all they
hellcoot there because they're eating the trees. That doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
Well, no, if play like Baff and Jasper, you cannot
touch the wildlife period.

Speaker 17 (02:02:24):
Yeah, but here now they got an open season on y.

Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
Yeah, there's some very very strict rules regarding interaction with
wildlife from the national parks in Alberta.

Speaker 3 (02:02:32):
I know because I lived in one.

Speaker 17 (02:02:34):
Yeah, well you think they'd have something kind of rules
there are pretty similarly, you know, not open up for
to shoot a moose if he's walking on side road
in the park, you go shoot it, take it home.

Speaker 2 (02:02:45):
Yeah, they just do things differently out there, whether it
be that extremely extravagant underpass for wildlife in Bath National Park.
And yeah, everywhere there's I mean there's so many cattle
gates out there, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (02:02:58):
Yeah, that's how.

Speaker 2 (02:02:58):
They protect the wildlife from uh as more highway exposure
and like at the golf courses and coming in and
out of the communities, there's cattle gates everywhere.

Speaker 16 (02:03:07):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, you've.

Speaker 3 (02:03:09):
Had the last word, Harry. Appreciate the time.

Speaker 17 (02:03:11):
Thank you appreciate it. Take care or something about the
smoke commerce coming.

Speaker 3 (02:03:16):
From Yeah, we'll see if we can find out for
he right, Okay, I have.

Speaker 17 (02:03:18):
A great day YouTube joined the rest of your week.

Speaker 3 (02:03:20):
Thanks Harry, you too, Yeah, bye bye.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
And if anybody knows an answer to that question, you
know what to do, you can let us know there
And I mentioned off the top of the day every
time we talk about in a provincial trade which apparently
there's announcement this afternoon and as it pertains to the breweries,
booh taking some heavy fire here today.

Speaker 3 (02:03:40):
So be it very.

Speaker 2 (02:03:41):
Good show today, big thanks to all hands, and we
will indeed pick up this conversation again tomorrow morning right
here on VOCM and big Land FM's Open Line on
behalf of the producer Beth Fakan.

Speaker 3 (02:03:50):
I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun
happy day. We'll talk in the morning. Bye bye,

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