Monday Dec 15th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line Call seven oh nine two seven,
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and Laboratory starts now. Here's VOCM Open Line host Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
so much for tuning into the program. It's Monday, December
the fifteenth. This is open Line. I'm your host, Patty Daily.
David Williams is back of the producer's chair. You'll be
speaking with David when you give us a call to
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toll free long distance one eight eight eight five ninety VOCEM,
which is eighty six twenty six. So, as you just
heard Richard Duggan talk about the weather. It's pretty messy
morning out there today, terrible forecast for most of the island.
Heer this evening. So as you say, just be careful
drive commenser to the conditions. Oh and this is pretty
random thought, whoever figured out for the first time how

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to use a whisk to get the clumped up snow
off your pet, You, sir or madam, are genius. I was,
you know, trying to do with the talents. So someone
told me, hey, just use a whisk. What a trick.
All right, Let's put a bow on a terrible rivalry
series between Canada's women's team and the Americans. So it's
an annual four game set and the Americans absolutely fed
us our lunch. They go around swept all four games,

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with a four to one victory yesterday in Edmonton, outscored
Canada twenty four to seven over the course of four games,
not quite the ten for drubbing we got in game three.
But you know, looking into February's Olympics, and of course
our main rival being the Americans, at this point they
have a distinct upper hand. And I don't know if
you've seen any of the pitchers coming from Milan looking
at the progress of build in the hockey rink. Man,

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oh man, they are nowhere close. There's a potential absolute
disaster head for the hockey competition at the Olympics. But
I don't know if you've seen any of the pictures,
doesn't look like we're going to get there. Maybe they
will quick check in on the new Flan regimen. Of course,
playing at the Beck Major Junior Hockey League got swept
over the weekend in Cape Brandon. They still have a
handful of games to go before the end of the
calendar year, but off to a pretty steady start. Okay.

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I want to say good morning too, and congratulations to
Noah Moulton and Angela McLain. They're the coaches at Lakeside
Academy in Buckins. For the first time of two decades,
they've got a competitive sports team volleyball, in this case
girls volleyball. So they go on to get some quotes
from some of the young players talk about it's really
exciting because I've had like other friends from other places

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that have been able to play, and it's just really
great to be able to go out and meet new people.
And if you ask many people involved with school sports,
it's a bit of school prior attached to it, but
remarkable that they haven't had a competitive sports team for
two decades out there. So congratulations to the coaches and
the school and all the players. Good luck go get
them the sport will develop and for me, volleyball the
pre eminent court sport. Your thoughts, all right, and just

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going to put it back out there because I think
it's a fascinating topic and one worth certain worthy of
more discussion. Is the social media usage amongst youth, and
you look at countries like Australia and the world will
be watching as to whether or not they're ban on
social media access for youth under the age of sixteen,
what it might mean in the future. And yes, you
know there's going to be workarounds VPNs and otherwise, but

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not every youth is going to go ahead and take
that work around opportunity. So it looks like they're off
to a good start, and people complain, well, it's not perfect.
It's not going to work perfectly for all teenagers under
the age of sixteen and or children. But perfect can't
get in the way of good start. And I just
found it to be a fascinating topic because I think
it's it's out there for clear recognition that it is
a problem. Okay, sticking with youth for a second, I

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haven't read the entirety of the report, but this comes
from the Child and Youth Advocate and it's a request
for an order give by then Premier Fury about the
revelations of two men accused of praying on children in
government care. Of course, that's Bruce Escott and Tony Holby.
Mister Escott, of course has fled guilty, sentenced to thirteen
years in prison. He's evil an agreed upon statement of facts.

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I'm sure mister Humby was implicated in those, but he
is yet to be found guilty or not in courts,
so we'll see what becomes with I'm not so sure
exactly what we found that can enhance protection from some
of these predators for children who are really quite vulnerable.
So I'm going to dig into it. But they talk about,
you know, mandatory police reporting when information received regarding a

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child or youth being maltreated or the risk of being
maltreated by someone other than a parent reguardian that, of course,
that policy is a welcome addition, but there's also repeated
references inside the report to a narrow scope being offered.
So that said, we see these stories and they're far
too common. Is I don't generally go calling for public
inquiries into everything that happens, But when we talk about

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children and care, the role of the provincial department responsible,
the role of law enforcement, the role of those who
are involved in the protection of these children. Is it
not a worthwhile exercise to have a inquiry with all
of the mechanisms available under the Inquiries Act. So I'll
read the report's a bit clearer here today when I
get a moment. But I'm not so sure we've gleaned

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a whole lot of additional information other than welcoming that
one particular new policy and on that front, and I
knew it was the case. Yesterday was the anniversary of
the disappearance and the eventual murder of December the fourteenth,
nineteen eighty one, Dana Bradley. We were just kids, and
it rippled through the community. People were scared, and of course,

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four days later her body was found in the woods
down around Madox Cove. There wasn't a rest made in
that case. Person confessed but then later recanted and the
charges were dropped. He said he was coerced to what
have you. But then I wonder what's become of some
of the additional and enhanced testing that's available. So remember
back in twenty sixteen, there was a private group raised
the money to see an excavation of a vehicle that

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was buried on a piece of property on a witness bay.
So there was also people talking about there's an eyewitness
out there who claimed to have seeing the car that
Bradley was abducted in. So it just struck me as
one of those annual events that when I see her
name pop up and down, this case yesterday being the
anniversary with the nineteen eighty one disappearance at Dana Bradley. Boo, Okay,

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let's keep going. Scott sent this store and questioning the
merriat behind this type of expenditure, and this at the
federal garment level. So they're talking about spending the federal
garment this country spending one point seven billion dollars over
the course of the next twelve years in an effort
to attract top global talent. So the program is the
kinda global impact research talent initiative looking for some of

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the world's top researchers. And the emailer said, is there
not better ways to spend money? Okay, So they're talking
about bringing in hopefully about one thousand international and expatriot
researchers the world in the world's economy has changed, and
this country we're lagging behind. You know, an awful out
of the growth economically speaking, can come with research. Consequently,

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intellectual property to be monetized. It is a big thing
around the world on Canada lags well behind. So creating
this intellectual property in innovative solutions or whatever the case
we be, it generates billions and billions and billions of dollars.
And so it just makes sense to me to go
ahead and try to bring in the world's top talent
because if you look around the world at the number

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of patents that are being produced through intellectual property and
the research conducted, this sounds like a good idea to me.
The emailer, I thought it was a ridiculous spending money,
but makes sense to me. In addition to that, we
talk about the fast track for permanent residency for some
five thousand doctors who were foreign trained doctors. Also makes
a whole lot of sense to me because remember, some

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of those foreign training doctors can indeed be Canadians. So
on those two fronts, it's probably worthwhile conversation at the
national front and all pro provinces health ministers really need
to talk about expanding medical schools. You can only produce
so many doctors. And in addition to the government talking
about trying to recruit the world's top research talent, it
might be also a very good idea for the federal

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government to be more involved in funding for universities. I mean,
so we can produce more and more of the world's
top talent in our own universities peppered right across the country.
So I think those are two interesting ones. If you
want to take it on, we can do it. Let's
get into power first off, and this kind of feels
like promotion for one particular company, but I think it's

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probably a very good idea. New Flampower partnering up with MISA,
so there are Saint John's based company. They make smart thermometers.
So this winter is only up to a limited number
of the utilities customers, but you have to have electric
base board heating. So you're going to receive rewards for
enrolling and staying active in the program which runs over
the course of two winter seasons. So this is about

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all trying to reduce pressure on the electricity grid at
peak demand times. So if you're interested in this which
will help reduce your bill, maybe some rewards coming as
a result. So if you have baseboard heaters, maybe it's up.
Maybe it's a good idea to have a look at
new Flampower's website and get in on these smart ter
We don't have them, but we've been talking about it
and it looks like a good idea. People who do

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have them talk about a reduction in their bills and
of course can indeed ease the burden on the grid
at peak times. All right, sticking with power this time
New Plan Leveltor Hydro. All right, So the quarterly report
up to the end of September, and the real topic
inside of this is not just profits and how profits
might be utilized at the utility or at New Plan

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Leaveator Hydro, but it's the whole thought and concept of
what people call rate mitigation. Okay, all right, this is
all about trying to stabilize rates in this muskrat falls era.
Almost five hundred million dollars committed in the first nine
months of twenty twenty five, so up to the end
of September, five hundred and ninety one million dollars associated
with rate mitigation, four hundred and forty one million of

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that being paid by New flan Laveator Hydro from their
own funds and one part of one hundred and fifty
million coming from the federal government. And that was all
based on that rate mitigation plan to the value of
five points four billion dollars, three point two of which
associated with revenues from Hibernia, a million dollar federal loan guarantee,
and another billion dollar loan. In twenty twenty four, the

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amount of money committed to rate mitigation was two hundred
and forty million dollars. Okay, so we all know the
concept of most craft falls and the initial costs forecast
that seven point four billion, and it's at the very
bare minimum thirteen point five billion. We haven't had an
updated cost in quite a long time. But here do
you go. You talk about profits. There was an eight
million dollar lost in the third quarter, but overall profits

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at Hydro sixty sixty two million dollars for the first
three quarters of the year. The question into the future
is what happens after twenty thirty when this whole rate
mitigation plan goes by the wayside, And that only caps
the increase in price at two point twenty five percent
per year, which does not include any rate height application
come from Luflamp Power. I remember back in the middle

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of the year there was a seven percent increase based
on rate application in front of the pub So it's
going to be pretty interesting to see someone come up
with some plans, you know, well before twenty thirty comes,
which is legitimately right around the corner. Then they're talking
about a two billion dollar budget associated with creating extra generation,
and we know what that means. It's a combined turbine

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at hollywoode hundred and fifty megawatts and the addition of
an eighth unit at Beta Spare. So that looks like
it's still at the two billion market and they hope
to have those new generation assets in operations over the
course of the next five years. But what into the future?
Excellent question. Not so sure anybody's got an answer, And
of course when you bring up hydro, you can't help

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but think about and talk about the memorandum of understanding.
Looks like we're not going to get the house for
upen before Christmas, but we're told the terms of reference
for what the independent review will look like will be
out sometime before the holidays. And tomorrow is the fiscal
update coming from the new Finance Minister Craig Party. I'm
pretty interested to hear a bit more detail about we're
told is that the actual reality speaking is worse than

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we understand. Boy, nobody wants to hear that, and I'm
interested to hear exactly what that actually means. So we'll
get that information tomorrow morning. Plenty of people were surprised,
including me, when a report came out last week about
wait times after you see a family doctor and then
need additional treatment, whether it be diagnostics or to see
es specialists, whatever the case may be. And we had

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the shortest wait time in Atlantic Canada. I know it
doesn't feel like that, but you look at some of
the other numbers around the country. Boy, oh boy, what
is going on inside the system? And now another report
regarding housing, and I'm not so surprised to hear the
results here is that we score the best in Atlantic
Canada when it comes to the affordability target. Now this

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is all a comparative issue. It's still going to be
affordability problems inside your own province. But when you do
comparisons across provinces, apparently, in the world of positive societal
outcomes and affordability, we are doing okay, but that's only
a comparative speaking. So there's a couple emailers that get
pretty keenly focused on it, and it's an important topic obviously.

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It's any of the big proposals, whether they be in
Saint John's or otherwise, whether or not legitimately we can
hit affordability targets in a lot of these yet to
be constructed units, and there's over a thousand proposed right
around Saint John's. So again, the definition that people lean
on is thirty percent of your income afford to rent
and or your mortgage payment. So I think those emailers

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are right. It's one thing to build quite another for
it to be affordable for the mass. For the masses,
I should say, just one second sip of coffee, we're
back right, So people here when I bring up the
concept of rent control, but the conversations overdue in this
province what it might look like and for it to
be fair for yes, renters and landlords alike. But now

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there's another story in the news about no fault of
fictions different provinces handled different ways. In this province, a
landlord wants to simply convert the department to a short
term rental like an Airbnb or otherwise, and they can
just conduct a no fault The landlord might want to
move back into the apartment in their home. The landlord
simply wants to sell the apartment with no guarantees that

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the renter will be kept on. So what do we
do here? You know, the message coming from the government
is pretty vague, talking about looking forward to conversations and
consultations and all the rest of it. But how do
you make it fair? Because right now it certainly does
lean towards preference for the landlord because they can just
on a whim, with the required amount of notice in

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front of the Tennessee's board to just go ahead and
kick someone out of their apartment through no fault of
their own. They haven't done anything wrong, they're not beating
the place up, they're paying the rent on time. So
I think in the world of brint control and no
fault evictions, there's big conversations that we had there all right,
last couple so I am bombarded with emails regarding floor

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crossing at the House of Commons level, So we see
it happen, right, And since nineteen sixty seven it's happened
like twenty five times, so they want to talk about
it as a concept. The most meaningful conversation we had
on the heels of the most recent floor crossing, I
think as to whether or not there needs to be
a by election. I think that's a reasonable conversation to have.

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But what's patently clear, and this is not new, the
guiding principle in politics for parties and the most fervent
supporters of one party or another is hypocrisy. It just is.
It's unbelievable, and the short memories wild and the hypocrisy
it sells, and the fair cells and rage sells. So

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are we going to see floor crossings in the future.
I have no earthly idea. You know, people wondering whether
or not another floor crossing would trigger a majority government,
mathematically speaking, you would. You know, you'd hear rumbles and
rumors about more members of the Conservative Party crossing the floor.
I don't know then, the questions being asked about what's
being offered to Conservative members to cross and represent the
liberal caucus. I don't know that either. I don't think

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anybody does. But the one on the Michael maw floor
crossing is the immediate assertion that he is a Chinese agent. Okay,
there's no evidence out there that he just three days
prior met with any Chinese officials, but I read that constantly,
and it's a funny thing to be putting out there
in this vein. What kind of vetting did the Conservatives

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do before he was a candidate representing them in a
Toronto area riding. So is he all of a sudden
an agent of China because he crossed the floor or
was he always an agent in China? Or is that
simply not a thing. So we can talk about the
floor crossing, absolutely, it's an important topic, but the rank
hypocrisy is really something else. I ge't while people in
that federal riding feel like they've been betrayed, because as

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much as the concept of elections is voting for people
voting for individual candidates, we all know that an awful
lot of people, probably the majority of voters, vote for
the person representing the party that they favor. So yeah,
we can one hundred percent take it on, but the
rank hypocrisy is something else on that front. So what

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we saw over the weekend was an absolute atrocity on
active terror in Australia. When the beginning of Hanukah being
celebrated on Bondi Beach has seen un mass murder. Okay,
let's see here the number of people that was fifteen
killed and dozens injured. The rise in rhetoric in anti

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Semitism is stark. And so as a result of this
mass murder in Australia, I mean, cities around the world,
certainly in this country, will be tightening up surveillance and
monitory and police presence for the types of celebrations through
the Hanuka season. Leadership matters and on this front were
not getting much. So, whether it be the rise and

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rhetica of anti Semitism, Islamophobia, anti trans anti climate policy,
whatever the case may be, there's a way to have
all of these types of conversations without it leading to
hateful speech that incites violence. You know, if you're involved
in a protest talking about children in Gaza, it doesn't

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mean by definition your an anti Semite. Same thing when
we talk about anything that gets all of these types
of protests, which can really bring some absolutely hateful language
which can indeed incite violence. And we're not getting the
leadership and leadership matters here and so do words. So
where to from here? You know, there's already laws in
the book regarding the type of speech that you can

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indeed use if you're inciting violence and calling for the
death of Muslims or Jews, or trans or people who
are involved in promoting climate climate related policy, or abortion,
whatever the case may be. There is a way to
have your stance. There's a way to make it hurt
and loudly, as you should always be allowed to into
the future. But it's the type of rhetoric that we

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don't clamp down on, and we don't hear much in
the way of leadership on these fronts. People are just
picking aside and sticking with it, and the call for
death is out of control. What do you think is
going to happen? Examples like what happened in Australia is
going to happen again, and for not whether be Australian
leaders or American leaders, or Canadian or those in the

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UK or wherever. The after the fact, feeling bad for
the victims and their families is not enough. It just isn't.
So exactly how do we approach that type of conversation
pretty tricky business, but we're happy to have those difficult conversations.
Here on this program, just very last one. I was

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being told I'm afraid to bring this one up, but
of course I'm not. And this is what we learned
last week in Parliament about what was a last minute
trip to Egypt talking about with other world leaders about
the war and cause it was a last minute invitation
that came from the Americans. And so the amount of
money to charter or a flight is out of control.
So the actual protocol in this country, it has long

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been for national events, who says the policies to keep
at least one aircraft and a crew on a twelve
hour notice to move, on another twenty four hour notice
to move and another twenty four notes. Okay, so those
timelines were available, but there was no aircraft and or crew.
So as a result, the Prime Minister and his delegates

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they hired a private aircraft and the bill for that
alone was seven hundred and thirty six one thousand dollars,
huge money. And that's on the expenditures that were related
directly to the flight. It does not include any salaries
for the ARCMP officers. It does not include the expenses
incurred by all the others who travel with the Prime Minister.
Of which there was at least another half dozen people

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on that particular flight with no members of the media.
So yeah, I guess the question would be number one.
And apparently this went to the Ethics Commissioner who said
it was the least cost option. But least cost option,
we're talking about the unaffordable ability for individuals to travel
via air seven hundred and thirty six thousand charter flight
to Egypt. And this is even wilder from the moment

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that it left Ottawa. It was back in the year
forty two hours later from Egypt, and so we don't
even have the final price tag for hotels and meals
and salaries through the AIRCMP and everything else associated with it.
But it's going to clear a million dollars lately for
just a forty two hour trip. Now it does also
belong in the damned if you do damned if you
don't conversation. If he doesn't go taking the task. If

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he does go, they'll talk about the bills, and we
can and I should talk about the bills. And my
number one question is why wasn't there any challenge or
aircraft available that's already used for the Prime minister's travel
over the years, seven hundred and thirty six thousand dollars
private flight forty two hours. All right, we're on Twitter
or VOSM. Openline follows there. Email addresses open on a
FOSM dot com when we come back. If I brought
up a topic that's a interest to you, let's talk

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about it. If something wasn't brought up that you want
to discuss, let's do that. Don't go away, welcome back
to the show. And in the envelope, why not bring
up this and that? Okay? So I did see a
social media post over the weekend and the headline said
we need answers and we do know that campaigning we
hear all kinds of promises regarding this is not just provincial,
but of course federally, and in this one it was

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about Premier Wakem on the campaign trail said that the
government will indeed be pulling out of the South Coast
Fjords MoU and the folks in the area, they say
they haven't heard anything since and it was a pledge
made by the premier while campaigning. So for shatays, this
is Parks Canada proposal and they're doing a cultural and
environmental assessment. But what they have not included is an

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economic assessment. And what's also part of the problem here
is the lack of clarity on exactly what happens if
and when this becomes a national Marine Conservation area. And
there's two different proposals on the southwest coast. So number one,
you really do need to do an economic analysis about
what this might mean, whether it be traditional fishery and
or the possibility for aquaculture to expand. For the traditional fishery,

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it kind of looks like they'll be able to continue,
and same thing with the recreational food fishery, but it's
about the type of gear to be used. But I
can't even say that one certainly because we do not know.
We're pretty sure it will exclude any possibility for any
possible expansion inside aquaculture. And I think there's big questions
to be asked about the future of aquaculture in the
open pan of fish farming anyway. I mean, just have

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a look at the industry. The amount of die offs
last year was extraordinary, and they blame it on the
same types of things water temperature and lack of oxygen
and all the rest of it. So it doesn't look
like there's going to be any trend backwards for the
cooling of water. So if they report the same root
causes of these mass die offs, then I think there's

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a careful examination about how much that costs and compare
and contrast that to what it would couse to move
operations on shore where they have full control over things
like the temperature of the water and aeration systems. So
I was asked why not bring it up, Well, there
it is, so there is absolutely pressures out there if
indeed this becomes an actual reality, So Parks Canada, any

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representatives working on this particular file, I think it'd be
quite helpful, whether it be if there's misinformation being shared
and some concerns that may indeed be exaggerated, I think
it would make the process a little bit more fundamentally
clear if we could just get some answers and an
economic evaluation really should be part of this anyway. I mean,
there's always going to be a cost. The quest for

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thirty percent of protection of additional waters thirty percent protection
for additional land in this country is a pragmatic conversation,
but it does come with the need for those who
are proposing it, whether it be on land or on
the water to be able to clear up some confusion,
to offer some answers. But in this case they haven't
been forthcoming, and I have not heard from the province
about what premium Wakeness said would be. The province are

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removing any support for this possibility in the South Coast Fiords,
MoU or the whole the entirety of the National Marine
Conservation Area. Another one that I really meant to bring
off up the top but forgot. We hear the numbers
regarding doctors who are concerned about whether it be work conditions,
relationship with the nl Health Services or whatever, But this

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one is something else. This is a story of one
individual doctor, and I'm sure this person is not alone.
Originally from Ontario, came to the province for residency training
and goes on to say fell in love with the province,
signed on for a two year salary contract working in
the family care clinic in Stephenville. He's also expected to
because he's been asked to cover hospital and mercy shifts

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and mercyroom shifts regularly. Okay, so his name is Neil Patterson.
The big problem here is that we know there was
all kinds of incentives offered to doctors and other healthcare
professionals to work in certain parts of the province, generally
speaking rural and remote parts of the province, and this
is regarding family care teams. The incentive was as high

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as two hundred thousand dollars for doctors, so it was
meaningful and it looked like it was helpful, and so
doctor Neil Patterson took it on. The problem which might
lead to him leaving the province is that he hasn't
been paid right now, they're content to nickel and dime him.
Thinks about he's not classified as a full time physician

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with the family care team because of his time to
the mercery from in the hospital. The problem there is
that he was asked to cover some of those shifts
and then he did, and he talks about pumping in
eighty hours a week. So what's the likelihood if he
just goes ahead and leaves the province because he can't
even find out who to speak to about getting paid
the money he was promised, the contract he accepted and

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now they're trying to change the rules of engagement don
him after the fact. Doesn't sound like a very good
idea when we're talking about the possibility to lose doctors
here in this province. So please, if someone at NHL
service is reading that story this morning, let's find out
exactly who this person needs to speak with and then
move on. Then of course there's numbers coming from doctor

(26:47):
Slade at the NLMA. We know that we're told that
we have added X number of doctors to the roster
since just pick a data twenty twenty three. Same thing
when we talk about big care spaces and otherwise. What
we don't have is a net number. So we've added
X number of doctors, but how many have left? Because
that's the number that really counts, is the net gain

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of the number of doctors, not just the positions added since.
And once again pick a day twenty twenty twenty three,
whichever you like. But please, we absolutely cannot afford to
lose a doctor because we haven't paid them the agreed
upon incentive dollars up to two hundred thousand. I know
it's a hefty sum, but that's what they offered, speaking
of the government, that's what they offered. That's what doctor

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Patterson signed on to. So let's go ahead and pay him.
And we cannot afford to lose him because of things like, well,
it's not just all full time at the primary care team.
He's also worked the emerged room and at the hospital. Yes,
because you asked them to and he did it. So
let's get that one figured out, because you know full
well doctor Patterson is not alone in all that type

(27:51):
of confusion. All right, to see if we can get
a break on time when we come back, topic up
to you don't go ahead, welcome back to the program.
One of the questions many people ask here is about heritage.
You know, heritage properties in the city Saint John's. The
city has long taking a stance that they take the
issue quite seriously. That said, how many heritage properties only

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get in the headlines when they're at the eleventh hour,
And consequently, the wrecking ball is about to swing and
we all know once you've lost it, it's hard to
get it back. Matt Howe has a problem with the
city regarding his property on the South Side Road and
joins US Online number one. Good morning, Matt, you're on
the air.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, good morning, Penny, thanks for chatting with me.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Happy to have you on the program. So I've seen
this story, But go ahead and paint a picture of
exactly what's going on with your property.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah, well, my wife and I basically bought the property
about a year and a half ago, this summer of
last year, and we had just a chat in passing
with a surviving family member for three five five South
Side Road and understood that the property was going to
be sold at some point. Basically, the matriarch had passed
away and the oldest or one of the sons at
least that was living with her, was put in a

(28:57):
home at the time that she passed away, so they
we both left the house at the same time, and
this was around twenty one, twenty two, and no one
has been living there since, and as far as we
know from chatting with neighbors, it's basically been abandoned. There
was some construction work going on at that point, but
that's stopped, and even the construction worker or the contract

(29:19):
themselves stopped by and kind of filled us in a
little bit. So basically it's been abandoned for several years.
There's like a family of birds that now live in
the front because there's you know, damage to the soffit
and the eaves, there's holes everywhere in the siding, all
kinds of access points, and now we've noticed just in
the last month or two there's there's definitely a rat

(29:41):
or two living in the home.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
We know there's mice there for.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Sure, but with the rat was kind of the last
straw for us. But it's an absolute eyesore from the outside.
But it does have heritage status, so it's a real
shame to see it in the state that it's in.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
And these are two connected properties, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
That's correct, five and three five three South Side Road.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, because just for some people don't think that this
is just a neighboring property, these two structures are actually connected.
It's one hundred percent unique, there's only fifty percent beautiful.
So what's the city's response to this one? Because we
hear all the time about the focus on heritage and
even trying to get renovation permits in the heritage zones
in the city, they make you jump through an awful
lot of hoops. I understand why, you know, in the

(30:24):
world of preservation, but this is kind of about dilapidation.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah, it's a sad state. We've brought it to the
city simply because it is connected and we have concerns
mainly with the fact well rodents being one, but there's
an active power connection and if no one's living there,
that is a massive, you know, fire hazard for us
that we have to be kind of watching and being
aware of. But they basically told us that they're working

(30:52):
with the estate and that's that's it.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Right.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
We saw a massive load of fines be attached to
the door of the home sometime last year, but again
we followed up after we saw that, and we're given
basically the same response that they're following up with the
state and that's all they can do.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, And that's that's where it gets pretty complicated because
they can't necessarily enforce the sale for someone who might
be interested in renovating and bringing back to the standard
that you've got your property in. So what is the
hope here? What are you suggesting that they enforced the
fines which will maybe fuel a sale or what's next steps?

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yeah, well, I'm honestly not sure what the next steps
can be, what the options are.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
We've brought it.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
To our counselor Donnie, who's going to be getting back
to us shortly. And there's another group in the city
that I found recently on Facebook, Happy City Saint John's
that is having a conversation with me just you know,
I don't know what they could even offer, but I'm
interested in chatting with them either way. But yeah, we
don't actually know what the options are. We've just brought

(31:58):
it up to the city assuming that they would want
to take care of the place, as it does have
heritage status, and we'll be looking for that ourselves. But
the house is from what we've understood from chatting with
the family member and from neighbors here on so said road,
the home is over two hundred years old, so it's
likely one of the oldest homes in the downtown area.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Have you taken the opportunity to speak with the folks
at the Heritage Foundation of New Flanta, Labrador. No, not yet.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
My wife has actually taken that as a bit of
a project for self and plans to go to the
archives at the rooms and dig into the history. But
neither of us have had the time to really dig
into that.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
The only reason I mentioned that organization is they probably
have a good understanding of what next steps could be
and some of the authorities afforded to the city or
the province. That's why I mentioned them, not that they'll
be able to flip a switch and all of a
sudden the disrepairs attended to. So it might be a
worthwhile telephone call just even for advice as to where
next to move or to go.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, yeah, definitely that. I thank you for that.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
But I was assuming, you know, touching base with the
city that would be your main point contact and that
they would want to take care of this.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
But honestly, it's.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Said like, I'm someone who grew up here in Newfoland,
and I've lived away for most maybe half of my
life and have come back here several times and coming
back here now as I did like here or four
years ago. There's so much of the downtown that has
just been left and is empty, like businesses that could
be thriving down here, and the properties are derelict, right
like there's no attention being drawn to not just houses

(33:27):
like this, but commercial properties. I assume that the city
would be wanting, you know, to take advantage of all
these and keep these homes and commercial properties available to people,
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I'm confused by it all me too. And the longer
they'd whether it be a commercial building or a private property.
The longer they're allowed to laguish an advancing state of disrepair,
then of course the price tag guides up. There is
a reason why people don't all of a sudden spend
tens of thousands of dollars. I'm putting it back into
its state of once glory because the city or the

(34:01):
problems if we're talking about other parts of the province,
they've allowed it to continue. They've allowed for the lapidation
to you know, increase year over year. Consequently the cost
get out of control.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yeah, and that's my main point of frustration and confusion
is that, like, can we have a downtown core that's
very unique and we have a lot of people that
are coming by just this area alone. My office and
the home is looking out over the road, so I
can't help but notice when people stop in front of
the house and take a photo and you know, point
and ask questions or like stop us when we're outside

(34:32):
doing landscaping work and it's not stopped. It's every day
there's somebody pointing and wondering and asking, and like, it's
a beautiful home and it's a shame to really see
the state that it's in.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
One hundred percent Matt, keep me in the loop if
you have any positive, positive updates or even negative updates.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
I suppose sure, yeah, happy to do that.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Thanks Matt, appreciate your time. Okay, thank you, bye bye. Yeah.
I mean the downtown Saint John's and I mean we've
heard downtowns and different communities around the province that have
actually get heritage designations, whether it be in Bureaing or
maybe that's Grand Bank or other parts of the province.
But the way that the downtown of Saint John's has deteriorated,

(35:14):
and I'm talking about the actual physical infrastructure, and we
can talk about how the community has changed dramatically over
the course of the last number of years of what
that means for maybe the attractiveness or the lack thereof
for businesses to come to town. But there could be
some pretty hefty price tags to move into one of
these commercial buildings, whether it be with upgrading the electrical
or whatever the case may be. But it's a real

(35:36):
shame that there's a lot of eyesore properties downtown or
needn't be that way, you know, for cities around the
country that have paid close attention to this over the years.
I mean, it's just so vastly different and feels much
more welcoming, even just from an eyeball point of view,
you know, the curb side appeal. So yeah, let's quick
one here, so we know the ongoing conversation about Trey

(36:00):
and tariffs and all the rest. There's a growing sentiment
that the Americans are going to walk away from the
trilateral deal in full and maybe organized separatetary deals with
Canada and Mexico as opposed to what has been working
quite well is the trilateral motion for obvious reasons. But
here's just a fascinating number. Even trying to administer the

(36:21):
tariffs at the border. This is the story coming from
the Americans themselves. So were this not Canadian numbers that
are propped up to make it looky worse than it is.
So in the past, the administration of ensuring that the
tariffs were played played appropriately and the designation of the
goods traveling or their border were done appropriately, it costs
in and around seven hundred and fifty million dollars a year. Now,

(36:42):
with all the additional confusion and the paperwork required and
the verification of classification the administration of tariffs, that's seven
hundred and fifty million dollars at this moment of time,
just up to now this year over thirty billion dollars.
So it's costing the Americans, it's costing and Adiens has
costing border services billions of dollars per year based on

(37:05):
very little beyond emotion. It's extraordinary stuff. So what happens
if all of a sudden kusma which is up for
a review in about a month, and then each country
has a six month window which they could say, well,
we're just going to pull out of the trilateral deal,
which is in nobody's best interest. But yet that seems
to me where we're heading. So I know that's one
of those big issues, and there's so many smaller issues

(37:26):
that we can discuss, And of course we will just
pick up on one point that Matt HOWELLTT made is
you know, the straw that broke the camel's back here
is now the presence of rats. I mean, there's probably
a mouse in every single edifice, certainly in the city
and probably the province. But it's the growing rat population
and my skin is crawling just thinking about it. You know,

(37:47):
it's one of my least favorite things about freshly fallen snow.
Is out in the park in the morning with the
dog just to see the tracks that you know are
rats and it's disgusting. The city will say, you know,
neighborhoods and individual property owners have to take care of
on their own. I get that, but let's just say,
in a neighborhood unless every single property, every single household

(38:07):
and whoever lives therein all Joy's forces at the same
time to try to do something about the rat population,
nothing works because you can't do it alone. Why because
the rats move around. So at some point does it
become a city involved concern? You know, whether we talk
about knocking down the nurses residents at the grace, or
a knocking down Hoyles Escezoni property, or now the potential

(38:28):
development at the old bally Haley site and the type
of work that needs to be done to control the
rat population there. At some point it's a health issue
on top of it just being a disgusting issue. So
is there a role that the city should play into
the future because it is a potential health concern? And
when we're told that this is the radiest city in
Atlantic Canada, it's unbelievable. There are pockets of the city

(38:50):
where the homeowner send me pictures which I try not
to look at because it grosses me out about the
numbers of rats that they catch on a daily and
weekly basis. Oh, I mean there was parts of new
developments happening now. For instance, I know someone living in
Airport Heights and they talked about some of the construction
years there and what the rat population look like as
a result. Because when you stir the ground and you

(39:12):
build the homes and you do the development and you
knock down the trees, what do you think happens to
the rats? Oh God, let's check it out on Twitter
before we get to the break or VOCIM open line,
follow us there, email addresses, open LANDAFIOCM dot com, oh
and floating in out of the corner of my eye
and email referring It's not just trade, it's also defense.
And you know how our approach in this country to

(39:33):
national defense spending, which is a complicated issue, albeit a
really important issue. And it's also the national sovereignty Defense
strategy as announced by the Americans and what it means
for Europe into the future, and talking about the reinstatement
of things like the Monroe Doctrine scary place. Sometimes let's

(39:54):
get a breaking when we come back, we're speaking with you.
Don't go away, welcome back to the show. It's just
quick verbal reaction to an email. Is someone saying, why
am I downplaying the work that the provinces done in
recruiting doctors. I don't know how anybody thinks I did that.
I guess this is a reference to a competent made about,
you know, net gain. So even doctor Cynthia Slaid, she's

(40:14):
the president of the Newfoundland Labador Medical Association, talk about
the fact that, yes, the province has recruited one hundred
and sixty doctors or more than one hundred and sixty
doctors in the province since twenty twenty three. But she
goes on to say those numbers do not accurately depict
the number of doctors who have left. So that's the
trick here is it's not downplaying the recruitment of one
hundred and sixty plus doctors. It's just in addition to

(40:36):
that number, how many have left the province and or
have retired, and so consequently, what has the actual net
gain been. I don't think that what maybe comes across
the sum is, you know, a knock on the recruitment efforts. Look,
it's tricky. I mean, if every province in the country
and most every country in the world is clamoring for
more and more doctors and other healthcare professionals, the level

(40:57):
of competition for one of the most COVID professionals in
the world is extreme, which is why there's things like
two hundred thousand dollars incentives offered for doctors to come
and work in primary care teams and more rural parts
of the province. So yeah, it's not downplaying the effort,
it's just looking for some actual, accurate numbers about exactly

(41:18):
how many doctors have been gained in full net gain
since twenty twenty three. So again, I don't know why
that sounds like an intentional knock on the government for
the sake of In addition to that, you know, I
set off the top of that, and I've said many times,
you know, when we have things like the office in Boston,
which Premier Wakem I'm pretty sure also said he would

(41:38):
walk away from even though there might be some economic
upside there about partnerships to be forged and trade and otherwise,
but also a bit more aggressive on the front of
attracting researchers and members of academia and healthcare professionals who
might be looking for a different place to live and
operate and to conduct their business because you know, we

(41:59):
see how the problems is doing it, and there's probably
a lot of merit associated with it. So yeah, it's
not a knock for the sake of it's a I
think a legitimate question about exactly how many doctors have
been added since twenty twenty three in full, you know,
including the number of retirees, number of doctors that may
have left for one reason or another, and on that front,
and I'm sure there's such a thing as an exit

(42:20):
interview to be conducted, but we need to know exactly
why every single healthcare professional has left, and that would
include things like nurses who have chosen have they've seen
the greener pastors on the other side, and that means
the travel agency nurses where they know, given the lack
of flexibility and schedule and the ability to get time
off as opposed to the travel agency nurses who have

(42:42):
a bit more flexibility and are making more money, you know,
And the problem says there's going to be further reduction
on the reliance on travel nurses. We're not exactly sure
how that's going to work. And that's one of those
putting the genie back in the bottle type of conversation.
So yeah, I think it's probably an important conversation. Had
same thing when we talk about theay care spaces. They
can tell me how many have been created, but we

(43:03):
also need to know how many have been lost. Then
there's the concept of, you know, the pot of money
for starting up a regulated childcare and that money has
now dried up, and I know it's a federal government issue,
but the province can step up. You know, the problem
there is if provinces step up to do the work
of the federal government to put forward money that should
be coming from the federal government because it was a

(43:24):
national initiative on ten dollars a day affordable accessible childcare.
You know, if you step up and do the federal
government's work, when the Fed see it, they'll look for
that to be an excuse into the future where they
can just ignore provincial please for the Feds to follow
up on their own funding and in this case for
accessible childcare. So I get the hesitancy on that front,

(43:45):
but com on, I mean, we're talking about hundreds of
billions of dollars being spent on the national front in
the federal budget, even though it has a depicit of
what it is, a seventy eight point three billion dollars.
It's important and it's an economic driver to make sure
the spaces are there. As much as the province will
be loath to pick up the federal government slack, it's
probably too important to leave that by the wayside because remember,

(44:07):
that's not going to be replenished on the first of January.
That's going to be replaced or replenished on the party
in April. So there's a long time to wait for
that to be done. But say, David, I couldn't hear you. Okay,
So there's a caller that wants to talk about the
medical school and what about it. I'm not sure the

(44:28):
number of seats in the med school at month have
been expanded, and there are the vast majority of them
are for people from this province. But when we talk
about all these recruitment efforts in the fast Track Department,
residency on the national front, you know what we don't
hear from the FEDS is about the fact there's only
seventeen medical schools in Canada, and I know it's all
provincial jurisdiction, So whether it be some metrics for competitive

(44:51):
rate to pay so we don't see provinces aggressively trying
to poach doctors and other healthcare professionals. But you know,
and we can spend one point seven billion dollars over
twelve years to attract global talent in the world of research.
But maybe just more federal funding and focus into universities
right across the country. And maybe, just like in the
healthcare transfer dollar, the federal government can air market for

(45:13):
specific things like remember the year where we struck all
these bilateral deals and it was money that was supposed
to be spent on long term care and mental health services.
Same thing could be done here, even if it's in
the world of health care transfers and increasing health care
transfers for more money to be spent on expanding the
number of seats and the offerings at med school and

(45:34):
please tell me that this is already a thing for
every single person who was accepted into med school has
an ongoing conversation with the Deputy Minister and team responsible
for recruiting and retaining doctors about opportunities in the province
for them immediately upon their graduating from med school. And
when this one lady made a very keen observation. She

(45:55):
was at the convocation ceremonies at the Arts and Culture Center,
and while sitting there, I believe her son or daughter
was graduating from d school and some eighty doctors or
however many doctors walk across the stage and she's thinking
to herself, I wonder where that doctor is going to practice?
And I wonder what kind of offer has been made
to all of these graduating doctors in whatever disciplines, though

(46:17):
of course are not done all their residency training and
all the qualifications become a specialist. But I wonder how
many of them have been actively recruited and have a
job offer, if not repeatedly offered jobs by the provincial government.
Because we do have a deputy minister who's that's their responsibility,
that and that alone, which is a job I would

(46:37):
not like to have. But just the recruitment and the
retention of doctors. So Eds there wants to talk about
the medical school and then we're going to speak to
you the topic, Well, that's going to be up to you,
don't go away. Welcome back to the show. Let's go
to line number one.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Ed.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
You're around the air Bill. Bill's probably doing okay, but
I'm not doing to bad either. What's on your mind?

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Sorry?

Speaker 6 (46:59):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (47:00):
The whole days?

Speaker 6 (47:01):
Yeah, you mentioned in medical school, I got I get
a really good question. So we have a medical school
there in Saint John's. We probably have a other medical
somewhere else, and the problems obviously, but the best question.
We've got a medical school and we're trained nurses, doctors
and all that. Why are we having a problem getting
doctors and nurses?

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Wow? I'm sorry. Why are we having a problem getting
doctors and nurses?

Speaker 6 (47:28):
Why are we getting problems keeping doctors and nurses in
New Klan when we have a medical school here? Are
they training the students in order to do their job
that they need to do in the first place? Are
they actually up the scratch? Because it sounds it seems
very strange if you haven't medical school. You've got students
to going to school for like four or five, six

(47:51):
seventy years and they don't want to stay in New Finland.
So what's the problem. Are they having a problem from
keeps doings? For some reason? Are we braining these people correctly,
what issues, because we should not have any issue of
having doctors and nurses in Uselan at all if we
have the medical school that's doing it right.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
We only have one medical school and it is a
month in this province, and I mean, I guess you
have to think in the big scheme of how many
doctors that are currently in practicing in the province, how
many retire, how many leave over the course of the year,
and how does that job with the number of graduates.
So Mun's Med School has eighty five seats, moving towards
adding another five next year as my understanding, to make

(48:35):
it ninety. The most of them are reserved from people
from this province. New Brnzuala used to have are fund
five seats. They've walked away, so we inherited those or
we took over those seats and the funding for them.
So in so far as the appropriate level of training,
the answer is yes, because medical schools is not just
whether or not month things they're doing a good job.
It's a national accreditation that gets reviewed all the time.

(48:55):
So we're producing the same caliber of doctors at Mun's
Medical School as they are at any medical school across
the country.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
All right, So why are they had to bring in
doctors itself in Newfoundland? Obviously, you know you have to
go out get experienced stuff like that. Okay, fine, But
when we look at it through how many years as
the school's been here in the first place, over time,
over decades, literally, we should not have a problem finding

(49:23):
a doctor for here and keeping that firston neere unless
there's something else going on. Because I know a long
time ago when you had Kim member's name now used
to be in charge of the federal of the provincial
medical thing, and there was a big conflict of him
being arrogant about clients students from here. That's another issue,

(49:46):
but that has to be dressed.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Too, sure. I mean, when we've recruited doctors from elsewhere
in the recent past, they've been obliged to sign a
five year returning service agreement, so that can indeed be
part of graduate's at Memorial University. I'm told all the
time that we can do. But we can because we're
doing it for doctors that we've recruited to come into
the province. So I mean, there's also concerns for some

(50:09):
refer instance, if you want to be a family doctor,
you need to do an additional two year residency, and
many of those happen on the mainland. And that's a
problem because once you leave and you set up shop,
just pick a spot Halifax or Toronto or Montreal or Saskatoon.
Once you get there and you set yourself up, you know,
it reduces the likelihood that you want to come home.
So I think there's a variety of factors as to
why we still need to recruit and then consequently hopefully

(50:32):
retain more doctors. And plus with the aging demographic, and look,
when you get older, it increases your possibility to interact
with the healthcare system. Consequently need hit more healthcare professionals.
So I guess there's a lot of complexities associated with
your question.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
Oh yeah, there is complications.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
But that's the thing, right, I mean, the.

Speaker 6 (50:52):
Medical school itself knows, or most people know that the
doctor wants to retire or go into retire or a
certain age, you may not feel very well or stuff
like that. Right after bat I mean, there should be
some some information. Theire is that, Okay, we're going to
need so many doctors in twenty twenty five or twenty

(51:12):
twenty six because such and such doctors are going to
retire because of this, this, this is this, and it
should be already an automatic system there notifying that, Okay,
we need a doctor for this particular field because this
doctor is possibly going to retire at this certain age
or whatever, and have something already set up for ready
to go for somebody to come in and either train

(51:34):
the person to do his job or so on and
so forth. And why that's not being done, I don't know.
Is it being done obviously, if they have the requiring
the doctors from coming from a way to come here,
there's something not there's something not cope setically going on
to fix the issue that we have now, because I mean,

(51:54):
I know and you know that I know a person
that's hadn't had a doctor in leader ten years because
they can't get one.

Speaker 7 (52:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah, But I think if we're being honest, then we
look around the country. Regardless of how many medical schools
might be one province or another, every single province is
facing the exact same concern, the inability to get enough
doctors and or other professionals into the system. And so
someone just sent me an email, and I've made the
reference to this in the past and I appreciate them
sending along is you know, when we talk about the

(52:25):
difficulty in keeping doctors in more rural, remote parts of
the country, you know we need to train them for
that specific issue. Like in Nova Scotia. The caperet And
Medical Campus is an expansion of the University Pei and
they're doing exactly that, thirty students every year and they're
focused on family medicine for Nova Scotians. So the first
cohort actually started this past August, and the training specifically

(52:48):
to be popped into rural Nova Scotia, the same thing
that's happening in Alberta. Is there something we can do
along that front here and maybe expand some medical school
seats out to say, for instance, Grenfield Campus to try
to hopefully keep more doctors interested in practicing rural family medicine.
So again, there's an awful lot to it. What also
would help is if there was such a thing as

(53:10):
a national accreditation, a national license. If I'm qualified to
be a doctor in Burnaby, BC, that exact same license
and accreditation should be able to be transferable to Saint
John's or to Gander or to Happy Valley housebe But
we don't do it. For some unknown reason, there is
a cooperation agreement amongst the Atlantic Canadian provinces to do it,
and I think that's working. It makes the possibility for

(53:32):
locomes much easier, no time consuming effort in the paperwork
and the costs associated with it. So healthcare is complicated.
I'm glad it's not my job to be involved in
recruiting and retaining a healthcare pros. But hopefully we got
to somewhere close to an answer to your question.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Well that's the same.

Speaker 6 (53:49):
Hopefully so you will like literally get after Luia's Maximus
and actually do something because obviously it's not well right
now as it as it stands, we have a problem,
they have an issue, and hopefully in the next few
years that will be resolved.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Right hopefully so, Ed, I appreciate making time for the show.
Thanks for calling. Thank you to stop. Bye uh let's
keep going here, let's go see more to the Deputy
Mayor of Salvage. That's Gore Jane's deputy mayor James around
the air. Good morning, Patty. Yeah, first time caller, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 8 (54:22):
I need to call because it seemed like every time
we get a major weather event within certain the last
couple of years, you know, every time we lose the
power and and today it could be wanted in days again,
we're involved in a well it's gonna be a major
windstorm again this evening. And I think, you know, one

(54:44):
of the major problems is where our power line runs
through a section of the Taranoval Park. It's called the
old where the old road used to go, and like
the vegetation industries is kind of overgrown and they're large,
mature trees, and you know, it all EASi be tremmed back.
And you know, we've had several meetings with different representatives

(55:08):
from Tronover Park and we can't seem to get anything
done about it. You know, it's not the fault of
Newfouland Power. It's definitely some got to make a decision
to cut some of these trees well back, because I
guess the more of them that blows down, the more
of them that wants to boat. And once things gets once,
everything gets torn up. So we you know, and we're

(55:31):
living in an area where there's quite a few seniors
and most people haven't got access to auxiliary power or
generators or even woodstoves anymore. And you know, it is.
It is a problem, and it can get cold at
this time of the year and we're not really in
the winter yet, you know, we're just starting.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah, we are absolutely just starting. So you say it
wouldn't be the responsibility of New Fland Power, Whose responsibility
would it be?

Speaker 8 (55:58):
Well, I don't think New flann And Power got the
authority to cut any trees on tearing over park. Well
that's what that's always the feeling or the impression when
someone questions the fact that there's a power out each
you know, in fact, up until recently, even the you know,
the access road getting to this area it was grown in.

(56:20):
So I think this fall they actually cut some of
the dollars getting to this it's kind of a remote
place off the Esport the road that's coming to Esport.
And you know, I mean, I really don't know what
to do. It just it gives you a weird feeling
every time the wind starts to blow, and you know,

(56:42):
the next thing you know is power gone. And you know,
like I said, everybody is not equipped with any other
means to eat their homemeter. You know, it got to
run on electricity for some reason.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Now, Yeah, so I think you're Ondre percent right up
the authority to cut the trees in the in the
national park. So I suppose that the only entity responsible
would be Parks Canada.

Speaker 8 (57:05):
Well absolutely, but for some reason, uh, you know, we
don't seem to be getting you know, except for like
one of the joint councils, which is the councilors of
the Esport pen and so there's about half a dozen
communities are on the peninsula when we get to get her.
You know that, uh, that topic have come up for discussion,
you know, a nice few times. You know, we put

(57:26):
it to our memory with probably little or no response.
We've We've talked to Lloyd Parrott about I mean, he's
only our he was our provincial member, of course, and
you know, what what can you do? You know, and
and I know it's it's more of a federal issue
and that the decision got be made and it probably
would be made in Ottawa. I mean, it won't be

(57:46):
made in Tarnov Park. You know, seem like they can
they can aunt moose there and and stuff like that.
But yet if you've got to damage any vegetation or whatever,
I mean, that's a no no. I mean I just
don't get that. You know, you know, any anytime does
anything causing power disruptions. I mean, there should be a

(58:06):
quick decision made to you know, get it fixed. You know,
there's there's enough misery in the wintertime as it is.
You know, you've got to deal with your own stuff.
You're snow clear and everything else. But if you've got
to be dealing with power outages and falling around with
trying to get some kind of all termed of a
generator or something, you know, like I said, we're all
getting fairly old, and there's not stuff you can deal

(58:27):
with fairly easy.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I understood. Any idea about the length of this corridor
for this transmission line that you're talking.

Speaker 8 (58:33):
About, that that main that corridor, well I would say,
you know, there's probably might be two or three kilometers
a little more or less. It's not a it's not
a big area. That's most of the trouble with, you know,
because there's times, I don't know, if you're familiar with
the geography of the area, like the trade Town Glovertown area,

(58:54):
they can be they can have power number one, because
I got relatives there and you know, I mean contact
with Yet when we have the major windstorm, our power
is gone. There's there are times it would go Saburmar
eight o'clock at night and you wouldn't get the power
anymore till early next morning. And there's times then it'll
go just after supper. Well, and I know Parks Canada

(59:14):
can't control to win, but they can control all these
overgrown trees. And there's a time that someone done something
about it, and there's all time also that in my view,
the biggest community there is is Eastport. They get the
you know, the biggest part of the population. They got
seniors' homes and whatever, and they need to be more

(59:36):
vocal about this issue because you know, we're on the
tail end. But I don't know if you're familiar with
seal of age, we're right then on the last community.
You know, it's an older community once again, you know
older population. Well, it's like most communities in Newfouland, older
communities there, they're struggling to stay afloat small populations mostly

(01:00:03):
summertime well made up of summertime residents. Now people come
from Ontario and that and they by summer residence. That's
basically what we got. But a few that's left there
hanging on. You know, it seems like we haven't got
much of a voice anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I am familiar with Salvage and it's absolutely beautiful spot,
truly one of the most beautiful communities in the province.

Speaker 8 (01:00:25):
And you know, Patty, I don't need to interrupt, but
you know, we got a nice tourism area. We got
a lot of king going on. In fact, a guy
came from Ontario got the face plant building turned into
a brewery. There's a restaurant there now and as a
new business that just opened in September, and it's you know,

(01:00:46):
it's going to draw in an awful lot of people.
It's just a simple issue. Like the brush that's growing
up on the side of the road as well, like
that needs to be trimmed back. We got serious problem
with moose on the road and the pavement is getting
in rough shape. To show of roads are to up.
I mean, these are provincial issues, a lot of it,
but it still needs to be done with. You know,

(01:01:07):
we've been trying to get some of these things done.
But you know, and I know the excuse always as well,
we got no money in our budget. No money, But
how are you're going to have a tourism business or
a tourism operation on this peninsula if we haven't got
a half decent roads, and you know, I guess the

(01:01:28):
safer roads for people to drive on. You know, nobody
likes running into a movie eight o'clock at night, you know,
because you can't see it because there's the brush has
grown up that much, it's out past the guardrails. I mean,
you know that. To me, that don't make sense that
that stuff can be.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Fixed, no question. I mean, cutting back the allers is
a public safety issue. And you know, decent roads for
whether it be the locals and or visitors alike. I
haven't been down that way for a few summers now,
so I can't give you any sort of recent experience
with them, but they worn't right then, and I can
only imagine the worst now.

Speaker 8 (01:02:02):
Yeah, and well you should make it a point to
try to visit here. I mean, especially in the summer.
It's anyone that does aiking in that. We got some
beautiful eiking trails. And like I said, that new facility
there too, for well, if anybody like to have a
try some craft beer or you know, I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Have a meal.

Speaker 8 (01:02:21):
I mean, it's just a great facility and it's been
a long time coming.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I've seen a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:02:25):
Of tourists come here over the last eight or ten years,
and that's always the first thing they want to know.
Where can I get a bit deep, or where can
I have a place to stay or whatever, you know,
and it's it's been a long time coming.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
I'll follow with Parks Kinada and see what their protocols
are for clearing back vegetation of this case, trees from
power lines, because you're right, it would be their responsibility.
So well, there's lots of questions we have for Parks Canada,
including the National Marine Conservation Area. So I'll add this
to my pile and see if I can't get someone
to come on.

Speaker 8 (01:02:55):
Yeah. In fact, we have a National Marine Conservation Area
in this area. We got two as a matter of fact.
One we call it a doll Owns Area and the
other one is the Round Islands. And I was one
of the guys on the committee that helped form that
the Marine protected area. It started as a closed area
by fishermen and it evolved into something a little bit bigger.

(01:03:17):
We got the Department Fisheries on board, and to a
lesser degree, Parks Canada got some interest because the upper
one in towards that adventure is actually young in the
Tearnover Park area.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
I appreciate the time and the concerns here this morning,
Deputy Mayor. I absolutely will try to get Parks Canada
and I was only going to focus on the proposed
National Marine Conservation Area, but I will hundred percent to
add this to the list.

Speaker 8 (01:03:42):
Thank you very much, sir, and you have a good day.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Very same to you. Take care, bye bye, there you go,
Deputy Mayor Jans. I don't know if you've ever been
down in that neck of the woods, but Salvage itself
the community spectacular, it really is. Let's get a break in,
let me come back. We're looking forward to speak with you.
Don't go away, Welcome back to the show. In reference
to our conversation with Tepty Mayor Janes out on Salvage,
apparently in this for someone who lives in the region,

(01:04:04):
they worked at New Flap Power and they are indeed
responsible for brushing or clearing the right way regarding the
power lines with direction from Parks Canada. So I suppose
we'll get some information from Parks Canada and New Flampower
about exactly what direction from Parks Canada means. But if
we know that every time there's a windstorm, because of

(01:04:25):
the proximity of those trees to the power lines, that
community gets their power knocked out. It's an important conversation. Now,
all of that said, I mean, I live in a
pretty mature neighborhood in the east end of town with
some absolutely enormous maple trees, and it used to be
quite frequent that you'd see new flampowers vehicles out in
the park, you know, cutting away some of those branches

(01:04:46):
from the power lines. But that's kind of stopped. So
it's just a matter of time before some of those
massive branches snap off from one of these pending windstorms. Look,
it sounds it's going to be pretty nasty here overnight
last week there was a that included wins over one
hundred kilometers an hour. That didn't happen, but even parts
of the avalon Peninstult tonight maybe win us over one

(01:05:07):
hundred and thirty kilometers an hour. So it stands to
reason that that poses a significant risk for us to
lose our power wherever those winds actually blow and whatever
damage it may cause. So we will one hundred percent
follow up a new plan Power and Practice Canada to
help figure out that conversation for Deputy Mayor James and
the residents in Salvage. All right, So I try to

(01:05:30):
remind myself while we're thinking on the fly and talking
about one topic or another, and when we talk about
healthcare and the need for people to be able to
have access to primary care, and more often than not,
the direct reference is made to doctors. Which is why
I try to say primary care, because there's a lot
of pros inside the world of primary care, including nurse practitioners.

(01:05:51):
And this one email said, you know a keen focus
on nurse practitioners, but you know, on paraphrase and go
a long way to solving some of these problems there
are one hundred percent right. So we hear about the
policies and programs and incentives to bring more doctors into
the fold, family doctors into the fold, we don't hear
quite as much about nurse practitioners. The one dominant conversation
regarding nurse practitioners is whether or not they should be

(01:06:13):
able to leave the public sector, go into the private sector,
open their own clinic and be able to directly build
MCP for their services, and there's a pilot program on
the go on that front. But the pilot's going to
prove what we all know is that if you expand
the possibility for nurse practitioners to open up their own
quote unquote private clinic, then people will have access and

(01:06:35):
you shouldn't have to pay cash on the barrelhead to
see one of these nurse practitioners, and they can fulfill
an awful lot of the needs of the general public.
There are many many ills that people think or want
to see a family doctor, when in fact they could
just see nurse practitioners get the exact same analysis and
diagnosis and treatment and prescription. So this person's right. Nurse

(01:06:56):
practitioners belongs as a more focused group of healthcare professionals
to get us where we need to be, because it's
really just access to primary care. I know, Traditionally speaking,
folks feel like they want to be in an office
with a medical doctor, with an MD. You know, even
if we're to talking about some people hesitant to use
virtual care, and I understand because it seems and feels

(01:07:17):
really quite new, but even it can satisfy a lot
of our needs as well. Is yeah, you might want
to see a family doctor, but in reality, you might
just only need to see a nurse practitioner or a
licensed practical nurse or someone else in the healthcare continuum,
you know, because I think that's kind of a misnomer
of the past, is you need to see a doctor
when in reality, and we've tried to do this so

(01:07:40):
over the last number of months and years, is bring
nurse practitioners on the show just to describe exactly what
they're trained to do, so that when people think, well,
I can't get a point with with my doctor, but hey,
the nurse practitioner can do exactly what I need done.
And so that's the pro that you need to see
as opposed to the clear reference to need to see

(01:08:02):
a doctor, because maybe you don't need to see a doctor,
maybe you need to see someone else you can do
the exact same thing or concerning your one particular question.
Let's get a break in when we come back, we're
talking equinox. What about I don't know, cooy, look back,
Let's go number one. Daryl, you're on the air.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
I just wanting okay, how about you.

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
Not too bad? Call about equinox.

Speaker 7 (01:08:24):
Goal there the hying processes up there. I mean it's
it's a bit unreal what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Here?

Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
I am with forty eight years experience worked in three minds,
can't even get an interview like, I mean, there's a
bit much here. I am local, Grandfather's winds are here
and I'm not the only one. There's a lot of
people out there afraid to come forward. But I don't
understand what's going on. Like they're always.

Speaker 5 (01:08:51):
Promoting like local, local, local.

Speaker 7 (01:08:54):
And I can't be no more local than what I am.
And you don't even get so much as an interview
like like what's going on? Like I don't understand. You
talk to the MHS. Oh yeah, we'll check into it.
Just want to stick your finger, run up your whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah. Look, I've had a couple of conversations about this,
and so Equinox goal, their major project here in this
province is Valentine Lake, right, So yes, they talk about
expanding production, you know, from one hundred and fifty thousand
to two hundred ounces annually by next year. So while
they're planning on expansion, I haven't heard talk about expanding
their workpace.

Speaker 7 (01:09:28):
Well, I've been application in here ever since the day
they started and never even so much I've got an
interview in regards to their expansion all this. My biggest
thing is what's going on with the HR and the
crowd that's here, Like, is anybody is there somebody from
overseas looking at these applications When you got someone that's

(01:09:50):
working after working in two open pit mines with all
this experience on an excavator, loaders, dozers, grads, whatever trucks,
and you don't get an interviewed Like there's something definitely
going on inside in that HR department and with the
bigger upper boxes from when it was Marathon Gold. There's

(01:10:11):
something not right there. Someone needs to check into it,
because it's not fear to the people that's local with
all its experience got to pack their bags, get on
a plane and leave here to go to Labrador to
go to work or Ontario.

Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
Or whatever in the mines. It should not happen. Our
resources is here, is right.

Speaker 7 (01:10:35):
Here in central and here we are with families as
we're trying to make a living, but we've still got
to pack our bags and go away once they're taking
people from all over the islands first and not giving
the locals a chance to even get a looking at
a job, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yeah, So do you happen to know if they've actually
increased a number of people working there, and if so,
they've brought these people in from outside the province. Is
that what we think happen?

Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
Well, yes, I think that's exactly what's going on.

Speaker 7 (01:11:05):
And regards to the charity department, I don't think they're
doing their job right, and a lot of stuff is
being covered up because I know I've been talking to
people and it's all type of thing, like a buddy
buddy thing, taking people in there with no experience. Okay,
so now they've got to train on all these people.
And here I am and a lot more like me

(01:11:27):
that's out there with all coins experience, I mean, forty
five years experience around every equipment, and you can't get
an interviewed.

Speaker 5 (01:11:34):
Something's not right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Yeah, I suppose I probably need to have a look.
I mean, they just produced their first bit of goal there,
not long ago, just a couple of months ago, I think,
even though they've been working on the project for a
very very long time. So inside the benefits agreement, let
me just see if I can see what kind of
reference it makes here there is one available online. And
obviously they'll talk about benefits agreements in so far as hiring,

(01:12:00):
and I'll have a read down through. The Only problem
with some of these benefits agreements is that sometimes they're
simply not enforced. You know, you can put them on paper.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Right, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:12:10):
But Patty, if you're taking someone from say Sinantani or somewhere,
and you got local people here, what's the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
Take the local first, then after spread.

Speaker 7 (01:12:20):
Your area out for iron, not leave the locals strand
it packing their bags going away and taking people.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
From Sinnatni, Saint John's wherever.

Speaker 7 (01:12:31):
I got no problem with that, But get the locals
there first, the ones that's around the area.

Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
Don't wait for.

Speaker 7 (01:12:39):
Down the road for production. Like this, mine's been on
the goal and from day one there's been nothing, only
people from.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
Out of town working there all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Yeah, I don't know if the kids broke down, because
it reminds me of the conversation about Saint Lawrence and
the florist by our mind, and to come in from
the companies to hire people from Saint Lawrence first and
then the rest of the province. So inside just a
very brief glance over it. It says pretty much that
the construction and operation phases, no less than eighty five
percent of the workforce should be provincial or will be
provincial residents. I don't think it breaks it down into

(01:13:13):
you know, proximity to the mind to be hired first.
But I'll have a more careful look when I get
a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
Well, I've been looking at it too.

Speaker 7 (01:13:20):
But all the meetings, first one they started here was
in I've been too every meeting and first thing they
say local stiff.

Speaker 5 (01:13:28):
So here's what they call it. Local.

Speaker 7 (01:13:29):
Okay, Millertown, Buckin's, Badger, Grandfalls, Mische.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
Falls, and Botwood.

Speaker 7 (01:13:35):
Then after that, if they couldn't get the people to
fill the positions, they would go outside the area, which
is fine.

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
I got no problem with it. But if you're saying
local in.

Speaker 7 (01:13:45):
The meetings, this is what you're going to do, why
can't me and the other one's local?

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
They got lots of experience. How come we can't get
an interview. That's what I'm That's what I'm rooting at.
And you talk to the MAKA, I'll look into it.
I'll look at I.

Speaker 7 (01:14:01):
Messaged in MHA two years ago he was going to
get back to me. Just what Patty never got back
to me first or last?

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Yeah, and the minister call, Yeah, the Minister responsible, Minister Parrot,
did you speak with his office or just your your
local members.

Speaker 7 (01:14:18):
My local member, because I figured, well why not he's here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Yeah, I'd also put it on the radar of the
Minister responsible in this case, Toy Parrot.

Speaker 9 (01:14:28):
Okay, yeah, Well I just want to throw it out there,
like let the people know, because it's time for us
people here in Central New Plan to stand up for
what what our rights are.

Speaker 7 (01:14:38):
If you're in Labrador right now, a god loved the
crowd and Labrador they stick together. They they would shut
that down. They would shut that roll down and would
be nobody going in there and.

Speaker 5 (01:14:49):
How they got hired.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Totally understand your concern. So I would, in addition to
my own member, nothing quite like bring it to the
cabinet level. And if mister Practice, I mean he's been
talking about things like jobs for the for a long time,
whether it be jobs at bull Arm or jobs with
equinor in the possibility for Beta, or jobs at the
Upper Churchill So he's I've heard him talk about this

(01:15:13):
exactly issue many many times, not necessarily specifically about Valentine Lake,
but I would one hundred percent put it in his
ears as well.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Okay, thank you, yeah, not a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Do that. I appreciate your time.

Speaker 7 (01:15:25):
I'll do that, Patty, and you have a good Christmas,
and thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
I just had to lit my.

Speaker 7 (01:15:32):
Foustration it because I'm just sick of the bull that's
going on around.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
I understand entirely, So keep me in the loop. Let
me know if you have any satisfaction with the Minister's office.

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
Indeed, will Penny, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
I have a good Christmas, the very same to you,
bye bye bye. And I think that's one of the
big unknowns here inso far as jobs, because we spoke
with Bob fa Andrew Trades and that last week about
some of the possibilities if Beta Orda eventually gets a
final investment decision and they move forward. Well point, they
weren't need the company equinor wasn't even going to put
out an expression of interest for local work to be

(01:16:05):
done regarding top sides, and now they say they will.
It comes with a pretty distinct and standard caveat about
the ability for the locals to hit costs and schedule
but there's a possibility there here and it doesn't have
to be the entire too top sides. It cann be
broken down as per some of the work that's been
done in the past. So we'll see. Then I get

(01:16:26):
tons of concerns voiced about construction jobs or jobs period
if indeed the memorandum of understanding for expansion at the
Upper Churchill and for the possibility of a goal, how
that benefits agreement is going to look. You know, we've
been told many many times it'd be the same or
very similar benefits agreement as associated with Muskrat, which I

(01:16:46):
think upon reflection, they hit the benefits agreement pretty close.
It's qualified people in indigenous communities, then qualified people in
the rest of Labrador, then qualified people on the island,
then the rest of the country, then the rest of
the world. So we're told that's the approach taken at
the Upper the Churchill River conversation. That's it. With all

(01:17:08):
the authority given to Hydro Quebec for the ultimate decision
making about Gaull Island. A lot of that pre work,
engineering and design and those jobs they will be taking
place in the province of Quebec, and they've been long
very protective over jobs. So it's a good question to be,
you know, asking about if indeed this happens, what about jobs.

(01:17:31):
Last one is look and this is not a knock
on Jennifer Williams at all. It's just a question given
the fact that the Tories were successful and Premier wakem
has decided to go down the path of an additional
independent review, even though that's changed since you know, we
first talked about bringing in the horsepower of a global corporation.
Now it looks like it's going to be a three

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person political appointee panel. Is if he didn't think that
the team that was negotiating the MoU did a good
enough job representing the province, what does that mean for
his relationship into the future with Jennifer Williams, who was
one of the negotiators and is still currently the CEO
of New flund Laborador Hydro. That's not a knock on
herd at all. That's just a reflection on the relationship

(01:18:14):
and some of the points that have been made by
both entities. Let's get a break in when we come
back there as a caller wants to talk about recycling,
don't go away, welcome back to the show. Let's go
to line number four. Caller around the.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Air Hi, how are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
I'm okay, how about you?

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Pretty good?

Speaker 10 (01:18:31):
The reason why I'm calling is I'm a daily commuter
and I drive from Airport Heights down through Portugal Cove
into like Elizabeth Avenue area every day. There's a gentleman
who actually walks from Airport Heights. He picks up his

(01:18:54):
grocery cart and he starts walking with the floorward traffic
on Portugal Cove Road turning on to Elizabeth Avenue. He's like,
I don't know what the rules are with community with
a grocery cart and picking up recyclables. But like he

(01:19:17):
he's kind of like a hindrance with traffic. People are
weaving around him. They're like, you know, stopping the flow
of traffic. They're cutting in front of other vehicles, and
it's like a situation where he can definitely get hit
by a vehicle or he could cause an accident. You know,

(01:19:45):
I don't know what the rules are regarding him with
a grocery cart on a sidewalk.

Speaker 7 (01:19:52):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:19:53):
My understanding is anything that's like a voicycle or anything
has to be within three feet from the edge of
a sidewalk. He had the city at Saint John's jacket.
I'm last year, so I don't know if they were
kind of saying, hey, it's okay for you to do this,
We'll just give you a jacket, a reflector jacket.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:20:16):
All I know is that one of these days, unfortunately,
something is going to happen. You know, I'm not predicting
predicting it, but I mean, you know, with regards to
people texting and not looking where they're going in storm conditions,
like you don't know what the situation is, but I
could tell you I guaranteed every day this man is

(01:20:38):
on the road and he's like he's recycling, which is great.
But when he's pushing that card along and you got
like six and seven great big bags that he's pushing around,
you know, that becomes like a hindrance. Then I don't
know what could be done about that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
It's a good question. I'm familiar with this person, and
you know, just for people who have not seen it.
So he's got the big, full size grocery cart and
not only bags in it, but bags hung out over
the side on both sides, so he's well on the road,
and I've seen the exact same thing. People either have
to stop and wait for a break of oncoming traffic
or they simply just weave around. So inevitably he does

(01:21:18):
have a heightened risk of getting hit by a vehicle.
Of course he does, because he's on the road. That said,
one day, when I was on my bicycle, I was
going up this exact stretch, the little bit of uphill
just past say Long Pound Road, heading up towards Churchill Park,
and a police officer was actually helping you put the
cart on the sidewalk. So this was in the summertime,

(01:21:40):
so you can only imagine how much worse it gets
in the wintertime when the roads get a little bit
more narrow, when the snow might not be cleared perfectly
from curb to curb. And so in so far as
whether he's allowed, probably not. Now, where's anybody beyond that
one police officer going to help put that cart on
the sidewalk, even though the sidewalks are pretty difficult to
navigate more often than nots here in the wintertime. But

(01:22:02):
it's a good question. I'm not sure the legality of
it one way or the other.

Speaker 10 (01:22:06):
Right, And another thing I noticed this morning too, and
I got to bring this up because this was so annoying.
I'm driving down the road. There was a vehicle in
front of me in the outside lane on Portico Cover Road.
He literally stopped in the middle of the street with

(01:22:27):
traffic coming down all around him everywhere, to get out
and brush off his windshield because he didn't take the
time to clear off the roof of his car, and
the snow slid down on his windshield and blocked his visibility.
So what he did, instead of like, you know, trying
to navigate, pull over or whatever, he locked her up,
put on his slashers, got out, cleaned off his windshield,

(01:22:50):
got back in, and drove away. And I'm like, what
are you thinking? You know, like scraping a little piece
of windshield is a notther thing that that's like off.
That just drives me nuts. But then literally locker up
on Portugal Cove Road because he didn't take the time
before he left to clean off his roof of his vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
You know, yeah, I know. Someone relaid a similar story
to Jerry Linn this morning, and this case it was
on maybe Elizabeth Avenue or something like that. You see
it all the time. I mean, whether it be someone
jams on the brakes because all of a sudden the
snow is covering the windshield, or they get on some
of the high speed roads like the Outer Ring Road
and the next thing you know, it blows off the
roof of your vehicle onto the car behind you. I

(01:23:33):
know it's frustrating. I know it's a nuisance, but it
is really a good idea to clear the snow off
all of your vehicle.

Speaker 10 (01:23:41):
Oh absolutely. And you know it doesn't take that long.
You know, for the time that it takes for you
to heat up your car and people have a remote start,
they heat up your car, just go over and wipe
off your windows, your back window, your front window, your
side mirrors, and the roof of your car. Like, come on,
you know, it's not that hard. But people are just

(01:24:03):
like in such a hurry. They got to go, go, go,
go go, and they don't realize we're still on an
island that hasn't changed, you know, like you only can
go so far. But yep, they just don't have the
time anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Yeah, I mean, I'm the furthest thing from perfect, but
and I was in no mood to clear the snow
off the roof of my vehicle today, But I did
it anyways.

Speaker 10 (01:24:26):
Well that's right, And like a lot of the scrapers,
they have a brush on it. All you got to
do is just push it along. And this is not
the pros and stuff that stick, and this is nice
heavy snow. It don't take two seconds to take it
off the roof of your car, you know. So that's
that's my pet pee for. To take that stuff just
drives me crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Yeah, it irritates me as well. And I mean even
folks who don't take the opportunity to actually clear their
windshield properly, just like a little porthole when there's no
peripheral vision available through the porthole. So again, I hate
to be preaching what people should do, but cleaning the
snow off your car presents a danger. You just painted
a picture of one, and everyone who's ever traveled the

(01:25:06):
Outering road the day after a snowfall can report snow
blowing off other people's vehicles back into the traffic behind them.
Of course, where do you think it's going to go?
And it's heavy snow today, I'm not looking forward to
the shoveling this afternoon. I can guarantee you.

Speaker 10 (01:25:18):
That I already got it done.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Good, appreciate the time, Thank you have you too, bye bye. Yeah,
And I mean that one grocery cars and the recyclles.
I mean, I've seen him navigating sidewalks. I have seen
him on the road what the right thing is to do.
I mean, I don't know if we're supposed to be
or allowed to be on the roadway, but I've seen
him do both. And maybe in the wintertime he chooses

(01:25:41):
the little easier to navigate roadway versus the sidewalk. But
he is out there into the road and he's at it.
And he's hired at the recycling every single day as
far as I can tell. It's got a line Nuverer
six Mikaela, you're on the air, Hi.

Speaker 11 (01:25:57):
Yes, mister Delli. Yeah, No, I'm just going to throw
a little bit of support in there for the last
lady that called about people not clearing off their cars.
I know, a couple of days ago, after we had
that storm, I was taking my grandson to swimming Paul
Reynolds and again the same thing happened. It almost blindside
of me. I you know, it was just horrible. So

(01:26:17):
I wanted to support that, and I wanted to ask you,
are the police not allowed to tickets for that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Why are they doing it?

Speaker 6 (01:26:25):
Another?

Speaker 11 (01:26:26):
We see so much of it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Another very good question, I mean, and we hear the
law enforcement agencies encourage people to do exactly that. Maybe
along with encouraging people, they should remind people that there's
a ticket coming if you do not clear, there's no
off your car. It sounds like something that's, you know,
really not a huge big deal. But if it causes
just one collision here today, then it's a big enough deal.

Speaker 12 (01:26:48):
Well, this is it.

Speaker 11 (01:26:49):
And the other thing was I thought that they were
having a program where they it was under the auspices
of the police that they were bringing in recruits to
do things like that to be isn't that accidents to
issue tickets for minor things like that? And I'm wondering
where did that go? Like has that started?

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
It's ongoing. Yes, that's the short answer is, yeah, they're
going to do that. And that's a really good idea.
You don't need a fully trained, experienced armed police officer
standing around waiting for a tow truck.

Speaker 11 (01:27:22):
I mean, I'm just a common lay person and if
I see occur and like you said. You know, they
got a little hole in the middle of the windshield,
their side mirrors are not cleared, their carer is covered
in snow. It's you know, to me, it is very dangerous.
And I'll tell you another thing that they allow here
that I know after driving the highways and other provinces,
people who go off the Outer Ring Road to answer

(01:27:45):
their cell phones. You are absolutely not allowed to pull
off the side of the road unless it's a diary emergency.
I can speak clearly for Ontario. You will get I
think it's one thousand or fifteen hundred dollars. Fine, I'm
not sure, but you are absolutely not allowed to do that.
And here we have it all the time. The other

(01:28:07):
day I was taking an exit again, going on the
Outer Ring Road, off the over road, and a person
pulled off right on the exit to answer her phone.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 11 (01:28:18):
Believe it, Like, why can't we have Who's protecting us?
You know, sometimes you've got to stop and say, like,
who's protecting us in these cases?

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
You know? Are we afraid?

Speaker 11 (01:28:32):
Are we afraid to take a people? Are we afraid
to give out penalties?

Speaker 6 (01:28:38):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
And nor should we be. But you know, in this case,
we're our own worst enemy. People know better, they do,
they absolutely know better. And put it this way, if
they were the traveling public behind the card, that they'd
be the first one to curse them out.

Speaker 11 (01:28:54):
Absolutely. But I don't see any signs on our roads
like the Outer Ring and the high ways to say
that it is against law to pull off unless it's
an emergency, is it? And that's another thing I wanted
to throw this morning, just for you to maybe investigate or.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Let me know, happy to do it. McKenna. And I
appreciate your time.

Speaker 11 (01:29:16):
Okay, thank you, and thank you very much because I
think it's a wonderful, wonderful program. And you know, when
you're driving around and I will just tell you this,
a lot of grandparents now are driving around with their
grandchildren taking them to play groups, activities, whatever, and it's
first thing in the morning. You're usually there for nine
thirty whatever. And you know what, I would just like

(01:29:36):
to feel that, you know, I can count on the
authorities like to keep us safe. So I don't understand
why there aren't more penalties given for things like this.
And I've seen the police in the vicinities where they
have seen if I've seen the curves that are covered
and the snow is pulling off the roofs. They see it,

(01:29:57):
but there's no action taken. Just putting it out here.
And thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
My appreciation to you for your call. Thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:30:05):
Okay, take it there, fine, byebye.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Yeah for a question. And you know it's not big
news stuff, but you know, when there's tickets issued for
passing a school bus, let's let's get an update from
there on sea. When there are tickets on these days
after snowfall where people didn't clear off their vehicles and
we're giving a fine run, let's just you know, have
a quick news release from them so that we can
put it out there. Hey, if you don't do these
very fundamental things like not past the school bus or

(01:30:30):
not clear off your car or pull over, take a
cell phone call on an exit lane off the outer
ring road, you're gonna get a ticket. Let's go ahead
and get a break and don't away.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
You were listening to a rebroadcast VOCM Open Line. Have
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Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number six.
Callar are on the air.

Speaker 13 (01:31:00):
Hi, Patty, how are you this morning? I'm good. Thanks.
I normally don't call very often, but I'm calling this
morning to report yet another telephone scam. And I wouldn't
be calling at all. It's just that this can be
potentially dangerous to anybody who uses bell Accounta or bell Aliant.
What they're doing, they're calling around customers. They're telling people

(01:31:24):
that they're going to be updating their internet routers, their
cable systems or telephones and what have you. You press one
to get a specific date and time. They verify information
as unbelievable, right down to you know, maybe for security
code on your banking information. They have everything else. So
what's happening They have all of this. People give the

(01:31:47):
banking information, Well, you've been able to confirm my accountant,
you can confirm my banker. So here are my three
digits on the back of my card. They're getting wiped
out and people aren't realizing it. I've had numerous calls
myself going for the fact that I know how it worked,
because I work in the industry. People are being taken.

(01:32:11):
I know for a fact, when individual's been taken for
hundreds of dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Yeah, I mean pretty much. Now, the role of thumb
we all have to follow by is if it's unsolicited, unprovoked,
not advertised in the traditional media lanes, it's probably a scan.
So if Bell is going to do something to you
or for you as a customer, and you get that
type of text or email, just disregard it in full,

(01:32:37):
don't reply, don't respond, and call Bell and just see
if there's something going on in your neighborhood or your area.

Speaker 13 (01:32:44):
Well, this is exactly what I did, because I mean
it's someone I know that was affected, right, And the
first thing they were like, well, first thing, we will
send you out a letter. Second thing, if we're going
to do it, we're going to wait for you to
contact us. We're not going to contact you out of
the blue. And number three, check your phone numbers because

(01:33:04):
like these numbers are they look very legitimate unfortunately. So
I mean, and this applies to you know, I mean,
anyone who's vulnerable, elderly who and let's face it, not
everyone has to you know, our computer savvy or tech savy,
so they may very well give out this information. We've
been getting calls are almost on a daily basis from

(01:33:25):
Bell and from what I can gather, it's that time
of year, so of course they're targeting the elderly, they're
targeting the vulnerable, and people are paying the price for
dearly and yet again, so close to Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Yeah, the general rule of time that we all have
to go with here now is if there's whether be
your bank or your telecom provider or anything else another songe,
if they contact you and you weren't expecting it, just
called them directly. So whether be you have to call
the Royal Banker, whether or not you have to call
Bell or anything like that, just do yourself that favor.
No matter what, do not give anybody any your personal

(01:34:00):
information from your your banking information, your social insurance number,
or anything of the like, because it's probably ninety nine
percent chance these days it is a scam.

Speaker 13 (01:34:11):
It's nasty. So just let your callers know if they
get calls from Bell Alliant or Bella Canada, call them first,
because they're at it is that wonderful time of year,
of course.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Yeah, and they are absolutely relentless and one of the
meaningful changes for the scamming community is when we used
to be able to say that these big eighteen digit
numbers showed up, you knew it was a scam. But
now it can look like it's coming from Elizabeth Avenue.
If you're living here in Saint John's, it's not worth
falling for. So just be careful every single time you
call them back yourself, thank you.

Speaker 13 (01:34:43):
For putting this up there, and you have a wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Day, the very same to you. Take care bye bye bye.
I mean this not stop. You know it's gone for
the Nigerian Prince business all the way down to text
messages that say they're coming from service and L and
you got a ticket for a passing the school bus
going forty three kilometers now or all these types of things,
or you're in a school zone, got cotgoing forty three
kilometers an hour here, say you can pay your fine,

(01:35:05):
or another one going around that looks like it's coming
from the government where you have a rebate coming. None
of those things are true. So sometimes it kind of
feels sometimes like people don't want to be dismissive or rude,
and you know, dismiss a telephone call or what have you.
But that little dollop of rude might save you hundreds
or thousands of dollars into the future. So whoever calls you,

(01:35:28):
just don't fall for it. Call them back. And most
of the information that some of these callers are looking for,
if they were legitimate, they already have the information. So
just you know, don't think you're doing a bad thing
or being rude. Just say simply, I don't have time
for the telephone caller. And if you're concerned that it
might be a real thing that needs your attention, just
simply call them back. You've got all the contact number

(01:35:49):
for all these providers, whether it be insurance companies, or
bell or the bank, or whoever is calling and looking
or telling you some good news. And generally, if it
sounds too good to be true, as the old adage said,
it probably is. Let's get a breaking when we come back.
We're talking a bit more equinox. The updated November numbers
come from County Pike, miles or smiles, and then whatever
you want to talk about, don't go away, welcome back.

(01:36:10):
Let's go to number two Sigamore and County Pike with
miles for smiles. Connie around the air.

Speaker 12 (01:36:15):
Oh good morning, Patty.

Speaker 11 (01:36:16):
Hope you will not too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
Thanks?

Speaker 11 (01:36:18):
How about you not too bad?

Speaker 12 (01:36:22):
I got a kick out of you being called Bill
earlier this morning, of wondering how many years you've been
doing the show.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Now, I think maybe a dozen or thirteen or so
on this show, but about sixteen years for the all
three shows.

Speaker 12 (01:36:38):
Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. I just thought
it was funny. I was wondering how many people might
know who Bill was.

Speaker 11 (01:36:47):
In any event, I wanted.

Speaker 12 (01:36:48):
To chat with you just briefly this morning about the
November numbers, and they were up over the previous month.
So our numbers for November or three hundred and seventy
three charges involving crimes against children, three hundred and seventy
three all ten courts, and sixty people were charged with

(01:37:15):
those three hundred and seventy three offenses. And December is
not looking that much better. And that's kind of concerning.
It's part of the reason that I call late in
December to report on numbers, because I want to remind
people I did the same thing last year. It's very

(01:37:37):
unfortunate that over the Christmas season the rates of intimate
partner violence and domestic violence goes up, and there's a
lot of added stress for many people around Christmas time,
and I just want to remind folks who are celebrating
right now of that fact that it's not really a

(01:37:58):
happy time for a lot of people. And of course,
when these rates of intimate partner violence go up over Christmas,
the children are home from school and more children witness
these events and become secondary victims. So that is a

(01:38:21):
much added concern during December month, I can assure you.
When I spoke to Dave and I called in this morning,
I said, I feel like I might be a Debbie Downer.
You know, I don't want to ruin anyone's Christmas with
this reality. But Dave said something very profound and he said,

(01:38:45):
you could be saving someone's Christmas. So I really hope
that that's the case. But the numbers, the statistics, the
history over the years for December month doesn't give me
that hope. But you know, I do hope Dat's right.

(01:39:05):
I'll take his read on the subject over my own, Patty.
I just wanted to mention this morning that I had
delved into a study and I'm not going to get
into it during this call, but I'll send you some
more information prior to my earlier what will be an

(01:39:28):
earlier call in January from the National Institute of Health,
and I know that's a US agency, but the reason
I noted it it was STOWN on TV back in September. Actually,
they did a short item on it, so I delved

(01:39:49):
into that, and I think it's a very significant study
because over one hundred thousand subjects were followed during this study,
and it was a long term study, the largest long
term study into smartphonies by children thus well more so
over one hundred thousand subjects, and even though it's out

(01:40:11):
of the States, I think it's too significant a study
just to glaze over. So I'll send you some additional information.
I'd like to talk more about that in January. Actually, yeah,
sounds good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
I mean a lot of life and these types of
research projects, they're fairly reflective and indicative of Canadian life
and Canadian youth as well. There are some different challenges
that American youth might have, you know, looking further on
things like school shootings and some of the information that
comes into their hearts and minds via social media. So
there's maybe a few different life circumstances. But I use

(01:40:47):
some American research on things like that, and it proves
to me pretty effective in you know, talk about what's
actually happening in this country as well, with some distinct differences.
As I just.

Speaker 12 (01:40:56):
Mentioned, exactly almost anything you see from the States, you
can take one tenth of that number, which is like
one tenth of our population equates to or sorry, their
population equates to one tenth of an hour. So it's
pretty much on point when you look at that number.

(01:41:21):
And like I said, I just wanted to remind people.
I want to bring to people's attention that Christmas is
not a happy time always for a lot of adults
who are feeling the pressures and stress that seem to
culminate over the Christmas season. And it was always my experience.

(01:41:44):
I don't know if this number is still accurate or not,
but I know that over the Christmas season we often
saw the suicide rate increase as well, so it's a
stressful time for a lot of people. I just asked
folks to keep that in mind. I heard on the
news this morning there on your news that you know,

(01:42:07):
New Folanders aren't as giving as people might think, So
I would just ask you to give your kindness. If
nothing else, just give kindness. It might make a huge
difference in someone's life. And you know, I want to
th thank VOCM actually for all the work that you

(01:42:29):
do during the year. You do so much charitable work.
You get so much information out and you're probably your show.
And how you deliver the information and what you encompass
during the year, the good and the bad, and the
issues and the problems and the needs we have to

(01:42:51):
deal with. I can't say enough good about it because
I don't think people really value the importance of information enough.
So I want to thank you and your team there.
Data is phenomenal. He organizes things so well for you,
and I just really appreciate it as a listener and

(01:43:12):
a participant.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
And I appreciate the kind words. And you talk about
accurate information. It's becoming really difficult to ensure that what
we're talking about is accurate. Like if I just try
to go out and read from the obvious sources, which
I've got like eleven subscriptions to newspapers in North America,
even inside of those pages digital pages, sometimes it's really tricky.

(01:43:36):
And if you just use the Internet and especially social
media more often than not, it's complete and utter garbage,
but it gets repeated so often that for some people
it's the God's honest truth, it's gospel, as they say,
when in fact it's not. So it's becoming very, very
difficult to be on top of the accuracy game. But
I appreciate your contribution this morning, Connie, and the kind words.

Speaker 12 (01:43:57):
Thank you, Thank you so much. And like you just said,
the amount of disinformation, the amount of misinformation, you have
to check it all yourself. Don't rely on what you're
seeing and hearing all the time. And that's another thing
that worries me about AI as well. With the proliferation

(01:44:17):
of AI, I think we're going to see more misinformation.
So I just make people aware to check everything you
see and hear yourself. And it's like you mentioned about
the scam calls. You know, if it sounds too good
to be through it generally is if you have the
hair on the back of your neck standing up even

(01:44:39):
for a moment, ask them put the onus on that collar.
Say to that person, which is something I do just
for clumb I say, could you give me your name
and your phone number and I'll call you right back.
I'm busy, right now, and generally speaking, they're the ones
who will hang up then, So just be weary of

(01:45:02):
things around you and be tech savvy and everyone. I
want to wish everyone out there very merry Christmas and
just be kind.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
It costs nothing to be kind. Appreciate the time, Counnie,
thank you, Thank.

Speaker 12 (01:45:18):
You, Patty, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
The same to you, Bye bye bye. Yeah. I mean
there's obvious reasons why times of year like the Christmas
holiday season brings down that additional financial pressure, societal pressure,
and just the overwhelming nature of it for some. Then
of course we're going to see a spike in some
terrible incidents. Man, let's keep going. Line number five, Violet,

(01:45:40):
you're on.

Speaker 14 (01:45:40):
The air, Hi, Patty.

Speaker 15 (01:45:43):
I call to say Merry Christmas to you, and all
of this to you and yours in the new year.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
Thank you, and I wish you a merry Christmas and
happy New Year as well.

Speaker 8 (01:45:53):
Thanks.

Speaker 15 (01:45:53):
I'm not doing good, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
Oh no, what's going on?

Speaker 14 (01:45:57):
I lost.

Speaker 15 (01:45:58):
I lost in Calgary. He was murdered and caught up
and he's privates wore her up out and chop down
his throat and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
So this is a long time ago, isn't Violet.

Speaker 15 (01:46:13):
That the August.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
It was this August.

Speaker 15 (01:46:18):
No, I founded that, and I'll asked my little girl
to a month. In the difference of it. She was
starved to death by her husband. She wouldn't believe them
because she was an honest girl, and she did not
leave him, but she started he starved her to death.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
It's a terribly sad story, and I'm sorry to hear it.
But in the more pleasant set of circumstances, I do
wish you were merry Christmas. I hope you're going to
be okay, and hope twenty twenty six is a great
year for you.

Speaker 15 (01:46:53):
Paddy, And I'll best to you and I'm still clean,
and then then catch them ornaments.

Speaker 11 (01:46:59):
I'm still shine o. Good for you, Shanny.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
That's nice to hear, Viola. I'm glad to hear it,
and I appreciate your time. Thanks for calling. Okay, bye
bye bye bye. Uh yeah, let's see here. Fergus, you
stay right there. He's next. He's got a buddy who's
having a problem with we'll find out. How are we
doing on the phones? Other than that, Dave, great day
to get on the show. You know the numbers, don't
away the.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
Tim power show hoing the conversation weekday afternoons at four
pm on your.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
V o CM. Welcome back, Let's go line number one.
Uh Dave, can you put that on for me? Fergus
are on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
Are you not bad?

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
You?

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
That's good, that's good. Listen till on on behalf of
We called him. He is actually Patty. You were talking
to him there a few days.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Ago last week back, Okay, what was what was the subject.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
It's about everything that's kind of like hard to explained.
A dispute over laying properties and stuff. You know what
I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Oh yes, okay, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
And it's ongoing a long time, buddy. It's terrible what's
happening here. And it's about the policing too, like you
know what I mean, Like we call police like this
man here on disability he hasn't. He's having seizures because
he was assaulted in his own home. Like this is

(01:48:28):
not going since twenty seventeen past. And I myself personally, well,
I'm he's trustee, I'm his cousin, like he's like a
brother to me. I'm involved in it because he soiciously
had a fire down her in twenty seventeen. That was
just after he got a beaten And I'm involved instead.

(01:48:50):
I myself personally am disabled and not able to work
the work because I've had seizures because of the same
crowd that's here. But if they're all saying that they
owns what they own, that's all we're trying to say.
If all these people are saying they owns what they own,
why don't they show the papers? Now? This man is
down here now, he hasn't got two cents to rub together,

(01:49:12):
he's on disability, he's dead up, he's broke off, he's
stared at her, and you got to get a lawyer. Now,
if there's somebody else there who is actually legit, a
liar and a person with authority, like the poor old
mother said, rest or soul and trees, give this to
a person with authority. He has the papers to reprove

(01:49:32):
what is what and and and people. There's there's lots
of fake papers going around. He had all the police supports,
everything is here. Who is the person of authority that
we have to call to get to look at these
papers because the police don't want to have nothing to
do with dirt stick apparently hurstick are coming down her. Yeah,

(01:49:54):
that's right. They just they give up. Nobody wants to
com here to mar because he thinks the man is
crazy and life or I'm involved with it now too,
because I'm going there. Thinks I'm crazy, right, and we
need help. And I just like to know who is
this person of authority that we have to show these
papers too to prove to these people what is what now?

(01:50:18):
I haven't known that that is one of your fellas.
Give me, I don't know seven two two two six
four three Now who I forgets the name my head
has gone to because it's the same situation. But there's
not right. You just can't come in and beat a
man up on his couch. You can't come in and
set him on fire. Man, you can't do this. And

(01:50:39):
and and when a fellow like myself steps in tried
to find himselfing, they got me. God, no, there's another
fellow involved, you know what I mean. A man's he
ain't his own window in the house, and a young
putter down there trolled a bottle the water at him, like,
come on, man, you don't need that. The man is
sticky boy at all.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
Yeah, The number we gave him was for free public
information legal advice.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
I got looking built down the pad, like a that's
public legal aid, right, it's public legal aid something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
Plea in is the acronym, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
Flee in Yeah, that's right. I didn't understand the word. Well,
I don't know who it is, but I like to
know who it is, Like, this is terrible, it's terrible.
This man got to go through another winter this If
this time like this, I'm afraid he's not going to
make next summer. He's done it. But anyway, I just
like to let people know, like if they all tag

(01:51:39):
that they got the papers, but I don't understand it.
Why don't Why don't they show him?

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
Have you tried? Have you tried calling that number that
we gave him.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
Well, we were trying. He tried legal eight years ago.
Pat this who's undergo since twenty seventeen plus before that,
but actually since he got to stop it, that's what
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
But they're not Legal Aid though, it's a different entity
with a different mandate, so they might be able to
give him free legal advice. It's not like legal aid
if you're facing a criminal charge, in course, you.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
Know what I mean, Like the man haven't the man
haven't got the money to buy to get a lawyer,
and he's done or now he's down in there, drove
out of his head because all the lawyers under eighteen pounds. Yeah,
but he's never call him like thirty forty nine lawyers,
like you know what I mean, Like nobody wants to listening.
But he thinks he's crazy. He thinks he's crazy, and

(01:52:33):
you want to prove he's crazy, come down and look
at the papers.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
Okay, it's really confusing to hear him talking in the background.
So the information that I gave you is for free
legal advice, so they might be able to point you
in a direction that can be helpful. That's why we
gave you that number.

Speaker 3 (01:52:51):
Yeah, okay, okay, But like like I've been here on
many occasions when the police was down called I got
assaulted myself actually, but like like we even the police
is saying, you know, don't care, just stuck on us,
you understand, like there's not just like it's kind of right,

(01:53:13):
that's not right. Yeah, told him he's phoning too much.
You get meself with him all the ways around the conference,
and he's phoning too much, So how do you, like,
what are you supposed to do? I obviously you know
is what they're trying to do. They're trying to get
up to react. But you know, we're trying to be
the bigger man here. But you know, like no, no, no,
all that and all it takes is the person with

(01:53:34):
authority to look at the man's papers. That's all I want.
It took, like.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
Okay, so please do get outsiders.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Please do get outsiders.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
I'm not sure what that means, but please do call
that number to see if they have legal advice that
could be helpful. That's why we gave it to you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
Well, I just always he'd a number of anyway, I'd
just like to let you know. That's how that's what's
going on her And then to me, it's not, it's
just such that right man, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Just no longer pet okay, it's becoming more and more
difficult to understand what two voices coming at me. But uh,
please do That's.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
Why that's why I tried to compat because he's wound
wound up like a long time like it's not it's
stress really a really ser me and it's like that
it's the best the way it is.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Uh, give me an update if you do indeed get
some helpful legal advice from playing and that number that
we gave because they might.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
Be able that number, Yeah, they might help you. I'll
try that one.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Please do it and let me know.

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
I will pack for sure. Thanks for gus day the.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
Same to you. Bye bye.

Speaker 7 (01:54:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
Yeah, they've been helped in the past, and but not
every time, because there's only so much that that particular
outfit canan dois Kevin O'Shane his crew down at Plain,
but you never know that quick phone call may and
D provide that one bit of missing legal advice that
might make Patty's issue gover the wayside, or at least
advance it to some hopeful resolution in the future. Let's

(01:55:18):
check out the Twitter box for visim Oplanion. Note that
Deil you can follow us. There some comments coming in
and there's an interesting observation made about recycling because I
said recycling even though I knew exactly what we were
going to talk about. So the question is now that
we're no longer having to pay to ship tires out
of the province for recycling, which was always mind boggling

(01:55:40):
to me, and that was the tune of hundreds of
thousands of dollars per year. Now that that's changed and
we're able to recycle tires here in the province, what
has that meant to the amount of money floating around
at the MMSB, the Multi Multi Material Stewardship Board. It's
a good question. And it's also important to note that
MMSB doesn't and need be sitting on a ton of

(01:56:02):
money in the bank account. There's plenty of work that
can be done in their mandate. So that's good question.
And I don't know what's changed financially speaking, but that
was it's certainly saving us one hundreds of thousand dollars
a year. All right, let's get a break in. Let
me come back. We're talking to you. Don't go away,
Welcome back to the show. Let's go line number three Otto.
You are on the air.

Speaker 16 (01:56:23):
Oh hi there, I'm talking about that crashed down there
by Terrible Legs Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
Okay, what happened.

Speaker 16 (01:56:33):
There's three vehicles involved. For the reddick driver with a
full load of wooterboard left gamble and would reported on
the on the radio. But where's ther tmp to one
guy got nine Ridge broke sline damage. He waits for

(01:56:56):
after a baby and there's a kid in the back
seat and he were submerged in a pond on the
right going with They were on east from Bucks to
Saint John's. Now I know the guy want the corner
brook to his cabin, North Hop plea star. What what

(01:57:16):
they got squad car? Did just go get coffee or what?
Tim Morton's come on, buddy, get out their ass.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
Eh good watched the carson. I don't know about how
many RCMP officers are working out of that detachment, nor
do I know how much traffic enforcement they're doing these days.
So are you wondering wherever the RCMP before this collision?

Speaker 16 (01:57:38):
Right now from Claren Boll It's gander Eyeway patrolled looks
after the hieway. So we're a reddick drive, red ride
in the wood truck, a tractor failure or whatever, you
need to be stopped. He struck with be mulished and
he hit the car. You're going east and they went

(01:58:02):
out in the pond going wist to the pond, turn
the right and he got a spye damage and nine
rays broke and you wait for out their baby and
they the kids in back seat, no cops on the roll.
What are you going discord the ten mornings or what?

Speaker 2 (01:58:23):
I don't know. I think they're probably doing more on.

Speaker 16 (01:58:25):
That mine number. Let someone call me okay seven O
nine four three three two five six three until they
have seen be.

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
The comedy, hopefully they will absolutely. I don't I appreciate
your time, Thanks a lot.

Speaker 16 (01:58:40):
Patty, make show your stuff to a.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
In w if I'm passing through, I will.

Speaker 16 (01:58:46):
The boys love with me?

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
Thanks a lot.

Speaker 16 (01:58:48):
I don't I want to ship go ahead knitting too,
all right? Body?

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
Hey, thanks? Thanks? Ay bye bye? Uh yeah. And as
a tained to the ARCNP, you know, I'll continue to
feel these questions even though I don't have an answer
readily available as to the status of the investigation into
the potential for arson to have started the north Shore
fire the Kingston fire, I don't know. We were told

(01:59:16):
that there was an investigation ongoing. Where stands I have
no earthly idea, but that story gets even more frustrating
for the residents. I would suggest knowing that how many
different people put up those red flags, rang the alarm bells,
and they were even taken upon themselves to go into
the woods, go to some high ground on the search

(01:59:36):
for smoke and then consequently responding with their own fires
thing which around their ATV or what have you, to
put out the small fires before they made it to
a big fire. So the talk of the potential for
arson goes all the way back to the first fires
out around Adams Cove, where the people in the area
were saying, look, there's someone out there starting these fires.
And you know what the result was of the Kingston

(01:59:57):
fire is a couple hundred structures lost and the intense
fire fighting that the firefighters had to take on. I mean,
it's just an extraordinary story. Then in addition to that,
we'll keep trying to find out for you folks that
are up on the North Shore, in whichever community is.
It's one thing to talk about the frustration with how
slow government is able to move or to react with

(02:00:19):
any type of financial supports, what have you. But there
was some serious fundraising awareness campaigns on the go, whether
it be concerts or otherwise, where individual New Filanders and Laboradorians,
maybe people from outside the province and some companies made
some significant financial donations to the Red Cross, and people
are wondering where the money is It's absolutely an excellent question.

(02:00:42):
So I have no idea about the inner workings necessarily
at the Red Cross. I'm not suggesting that anything untoward
is happening, but that money was donated for very specific
purposes by hard working folks in this province who were
just trying to help. We heard the stories, We heard
the issues for firefighters and folks who were unable to

(02:01:03):
get back to their homes, not knowing whether or not
they were burnt to the ground, not knowing that the
school out in Western Bay, Cabit Academy, is now also gone.
So we don't know the plan to possibly rebuild that
particular school, nor do we know the status of the
ARCMPD investigation, and we certainly do not know where those
millions are. It might be as much as seven million
dollars was raised, which could go an awful long way

(02:01:24):
to helping and in the world of money, and I
spoke to this off the top of the show, even
though this one emailer told me again, I'm afraid to
talk about certain issues, and he told me over the weekend,
I was afraid to talk about the last minute trip
to Egypt for Gods of related talks and the prime Minister.
So again we talked about it right off the top
of the show, and then someone asked, well, what was

(02:01:45):
the other option. That's also a very good question. So
the concern being brought forward that was debated in the
House of Commons last week is that we're now finding
out that the price tag is simply rent the private
jet a Bombardier five thousand for said trip to Egypt costs,
and this is just the flight expenditure seven hundred and
thirty six thousand dollars, which is a lot of money.

(02:02:06):
It does go on to say that this is not
the entirety of the bill because there's no inclusion of
salaries for raising and p officers who fly in their security,
then the other members of the entourage that went with
the Prime Minister to Egypt. It does say in the
news story that they did indeed put this through not
only the Privy Council, but also went through the Ethics

(02:02:27):
Commissioner's office, and they say that this was indeed least
expensive or at least cost option out there. All right,
Even if that's true, I think the base question is
if National Defense has a policy to keep one aircraft
and crew on twelve hour notice to move at another
on twenty four hour notice. So where were the challenger
jets that are usually lose used for prime Minister's travel?

(02:02:49):
Then one of the emailers said he should just fly
like the rest of us in commercial I don't think
regardless that we're talking about a liberal or a conservative
prime minister is there's reason. This is why their security
risks are so big. And can you imagine the snarl
at security if the Prime Minister was on your flight?
So anyway, very quick, last one logos line Umber one BEV.

(02:03:10):
You're on the air.

Speaker 3 (02:03:11):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (02:03:12):
How are you doing very well? How about you?

Speaker 3 (02:03:15):
All right?

Speaker 14 (02:03:16):
I'm hanging in there, but listen. First of all, I'm
glad that you have patience. I've been listening to your
call your line every morning, and I had to call
in about comments that are made about the police. Just
heard Buddy talking that time, and I know about the
accident is pretty sad and stuff. But in the meantime

(02:03:38):
I would want him to know and everybody else to
know that the police do not just hang out at
Tim Morton's.

Speaker 2 (02:03:45):
No, they don't.

Speaker 14 (02:03:47):
I love my daughter. As we've talked before, are and
c officer who worked very hard and they can't be
every word at one time, and sadly it is how
it is. But when I was the people that are
running down the police and saying like, oh, they're not
doing their job or or direct these to direct that,
that really hurts me and pisches me off because they.

Speaker 3 (02:04:11):
Got to realize we all.

Speaker 14 (02:04:12):
Have a job and we only can do one job
at a time. I mean, they can't be everywhere at
one time, and then to stay to be ignorant enough
to say direct Tim Horton's well by, you must be
at Tim Horton's student all that they're there.

Speaker 2 (02:04:26):
Yeah, I mean, obviously police are more active in police
duties than people realize. I would suggest, And you know,
I think the same thing when people talk about you know,
I drove across the province, across the island and I
didn't see a cop fair enough. I mean, yourself was
throwing two eyes as why I saw. But doesn't mean
that they weren't there. A kilometer behind you, were a
klometer in front of you. It's just that people don't

(02:04:47):
see enough of a police presence, whether it be with
you know, quote unquote keeping community safe and or highway
traffic enforcement or what have you. The frustration is real,
but you know, it's very much what I was going
to say. It's kind of like fashion snowpower operators. It's not,
but you I think people understand.

Speaker 14 (02:05:04):
My point is it's just any time, how many times
have you been driven and they never see a police car.
Now all of a sudden, they're right behind you. Yeah, well,
you know what I mean. The police are doing their job,
and disday and age is not an easy job with
everything that's going on. But for me to listen to

(02:05:27):
someone to say that the police are at Tim Horton's
while listen, that's I think that's pure, pure ignorance, and
it's not very nice. They work hard at their job,
They get up, they go, they put on their uniform
and they don't know disday and age if they're even
going to come home alive. And like as I don't

(02:05:49):
know if this man is a is a parent or
not a parent, but you you step into their boots
and put on their uniforms and go out and then
call into Patty Daily. No, that's that's that's that's that's
not right.

Speaker 2 (02:06:07):
I understand the sentiment, and I appreciate your call. Bev.
You've had the last word. Thanks for doing it.

Speaker 14 (02:06:12):
Okay, Merry Christmas, Patty to all of you and your family,
and I'll be talking in the new year.

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
Thanks same to you, BEV.

Speaker 5 (02:06:21):
Okay, bye bye bye bye.

Speaker 2 (02:06:23):
All right, good show today, big thanks to all hands.
We willing to pick up this conversation again tomorrow morning,
right here on VOCM and Big Land of Fame's Open
Line on behalf of the producer David Murphy. I'm your host,
Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun, happy day. We'll
talk in the morning. Bye bye

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