Monday Dec 1st

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Paddy Daily, Well.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
All right and good morning to you. Thank you very
much for tuning into the program. It's Monday, December the first.
This is Open Line. I'm your host Patty Daily, David Williams.
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five ninety VOCM, which is eighty six twenty six. Saturday
Afternoon UH Toronto scepters and Mackie Connod's from Saint John's
faced off against the Boston Fleet and Abby now Hook
from Saint John's and Abby No Hook our first pro goal.
Fantastic Stuff made a great play to the blue line
to gain possession of the offensive zone. Get some rebound
knocks in her first player of the game as well,

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so congratulations to both. And let me tell you about
a young hockey player on the female side here locally,
Bria Ivany from Saint John's plays with the You thirteen
Triple A Eastern Thunder one of the best players in
the league, were told. Leading her team in points this
past weekend at the Eddie McNeil tournament in Pei, led
the round roblin scoring, named to the All Star team.
So maybe, just maybe, young Bria Ivany is the next

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Abby Nuok. Congratulations, great stuff for the young lady playing
in the the boys Triple A under thirteen's all right.
Sticking with the pro players, Dawson Mercer still having a
good year. Boy had two points on Saturday night at
goal and assists as ten goals ten assists in twenty
five games for Mercer, and Ryan Green, playing for the
Chicago Blackhawks, also from Saint John's, scored his fourth of

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the year. So pretty good weekend for our pros. All right,
Olympic curling, so unfortunately all know the good you got
knocked out, So we're sending two pretty good teams to
the upcoming COURTEENA at Rachel Holman, Team Homan. They're something
else by and the greatest nickname of a curling team,
the Homan Empire, which I think is brilliant. And Brad Jacobs,

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who not a lot of people cheer for, especially around here.
He's a bit of a surly character. But he's going
back with his team to the Olympics. Canada hasn't won
a men's Olympic goals since Brad Jacobs and team won
in Soshi in twenty fourteen. At Brett Gallant, who used
to play with Team gouzuph course plays with Jacobs. Now.
He's going back to the Olympics to play in the
men's team event, but he's also playing in the mixed

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doubles event. So he's going to be representing the country
in two different curling disciplines coming up next year. All right,
what does this say? Oh, so there's a Norweyster brewing.
Might be a bit of a nasty day this Wednesday.
So the twenty four to seven snow clearing conversation is
just going to ramp up as the weather starts to
ramp up, and you know, whether it be down the

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Buream Peninsular up to Bonavista Peninsula, the Great Northern Peninsula,
or the trans Mountain or the Translaporador Highway. I hear
a lot of people questioning as to how and why
their route was left out, and you can talk about it.
For folks living here in the city Saint John's. The
no parking ban begins today once in March thirty first,
so twenty four hours a day on streets that are

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designated as a no parking route for the rest of
us begins on Saturday, January the third. All right, we
understand why it's some place because you know full well
some people when there's a storm coming, they'll park their
car just under their driveway so they don't get blasted
by the wing roll right at the end of their driveway.
And it just makes for a really difficult circumstances for

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people who are trying to clear the snow, control of
the ice. So I know why they do it. The
one problem I think most people have is there's absolutely
no discretion. You know, so for nights when there's no snow,
no precipitation, no waste to control, no snow to clear,
if you happen to be parked out on the street,
and it happened to me. Came home, was on the
couch watching the hockey game, fell asleep, woke up three o'clock, thought,

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oh no the car and of course ticket not a
flake snow in sight, but no discretion. So if you
are living in one of these no parking ban areas today,
then be aware. All right, Okay, Cyber Monday. So the
thought is that Cyber Monday might even see deeper discounts

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than Black Friday because these companies they have a target
that they're trying to hit and so maybe, just maybe
there's a better deal to be had. But I don't
do much online shopping personally, but there's lots of scams
out there you really have to be aware of. One
of the most common is a simple reference to a
fake deal. So the shopping platform that might pop up

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offer an unbelievably deep discount is maybe fake, so be
extremely careful. Then there's all the phishing emails that are
people going to come in, some of the ones about
you know your order has been delayed. Those links are
generally speaking a scam. Then there's failure of your payment
warnings that pop up, so QR codes that lead to

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fake logging pages is going to be popular again today,
so please do indeed be careful and we can get
into the AI generated scams that are out there. And
you know me, I like talking AI and there's a
lot of positive practical applications, but there's a lot of
slop as a result, and the power required madness. All right.
So this past weekend, Christmas came to our home, did

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some Christmas decorating, put the tree up, and the puppy
is pretty curious about the old Christmas tree. So I
don't know how much of a racket is going to
be between now and I guess old Christmas statement we
take it down, but Upper Coast and on that front
with the puppy and now it's in the news and
being covered by more and more outlets about vet care.

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We talk about it here and probably more so since
I have a personal investment here. Look, we know the
cost is extraordinary. But for folks listening who are outside
the metro region, you know I've told you the story
about the Saturday evening when we needed emergency vetcare for
Dexter and the only vet offering it on the island

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was located on Freshwater Road in Saint John's to only
one even after our day our part of me veterinarian care,
it's possibly hard to compiy. So the by law governing
veterinary care in this problems only requires clinics to have
after hours care arrangements in place for their own patients,
not all animals. So the story that I read this
morning includes a bunch of veterinarians who are chiming in

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and saying they wish they could do better because of
course getting into the arena of being a vet obviously
a love of animals is part and parcel with wanting
to be a veterinarian. But there's so few of them,
and apparently the problem is becoming quite acute in Cornerbrook
where at one clinic several vets left in one fell swoop.
So it gets really emotional and people talk about the

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cost for vet care and whether or not the best
idea is to get pet inshorance or to stoke some
money away every month into a pet specific Who knows
what vet bill might pop up, So I don't know
what three things is. We went with pet insurance and
again not so sure what the best route is, but
that whole concept of after hours vetcare, emergency vetcare especially

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on a weekend evening. The arrangements must be extremely difficult
if you live well away from the metro region. But
that story always gets me going, or maybe it'll get
you going here this morning, all right, and you might
have to travel, and you might even have to travel
via air. There's reports that there's once again skyrocketing number
complaints in front of the Canadian Transportation Agency. People get frustrated. Look,

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air travel can be frustrating in and of itself, and
the airlines need to do better. Like, for instance, when
I buy a ticket and I pay my fees and
I show up on time, the rest is up to you.
But when it comes to dispute resolution, people will possibly
use their phone for just an audio recording or a
video recording of any interaction or altercation or confrontation with

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one of the agents representing whatever airline, West Air Canada whoever.
So this particular story I read this morning, it got
pretty heated. So this family showed up for their final
leg of their flight and told that the plane that
was supposedly were supposed to be booked on had changed
consequently carried fewer passengers. They were being bumped to a
flight to take place hours later, the fella involved pulled

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out his phone to document it with an audio recording,
and they were told by the agent to put that
phone down, part it away. You're not allowed to do it.
I'll call the police. Eventually tore up their boarding passes
and simply sent of the family you're not flying today.
I'm in this ridiculous treatment of the paying public. So
lawyer speaking on behalf of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association says,

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quite clearly those recordings of those interactions are perfectly legal
in this country. So if you find yourself where you
think you might have a complaint to file against an
airline because of the passer's bill of rights, then do it.
Take out your phone if you want to make a
recording of it. Nothing quite like going to the tape
to document exactly what the confrontation or the altercation look like.

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So don't fall for it. Don't feel pressured if you
want to record it, record it. I mean, how often
do we see in our everyday loves people with their
phones out who knows what they're at. Audio recordings are
taking videos that you're unaware of or pictures. But in
this circumstance, if you want to make a recording of it.
You're well within your rights, so do exactly as you
see fit. Okay Oh was asked why we don't talk

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about this, but of course we have many times in
the past, and that's about medical assistance in dying. There
are some numbers out there now. For twenty twenty four,
more than sixteen thousand people in this country died by
maid this last year. That's five percent of all deaths
in Canada, so one in every twenty. So you hear
people or you see people, especially on social media, chime

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in and say, well, that's the go to for the government.
You just want to kill everyone by maid. It's a
pretty lengthy process. First, you have to sit down with
your doctor or your nurse practitioner. You have to make
a formal request, a written request. You have to get
two independent assessments. You must provide final consent. You have
to have individual witnesses of your final consent request. So

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there's a lot to it. It's not as simple as
you go in in the university. And again, the problem
we have in this country is that for people who
are living with no hope for the future, it's going
to be excruciating pain. There is a brutal prognosis facing
that individual over their family. They may consider this as
the way to die, where it becomes highly contentious. And

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what we're doing that is absolutely in poor form is
when it's being offered upfront, as opposed to examinations of
what kind of supports or treatments that can be offered.
Especially the stories that come when vets present themselves in
need of care and they're told, well, how about made,
it's completely entirely inappropriate. You know, there's a story of

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two women out in manage. I believe they both live
in Winnipeg. All they needed was some additional support in
the home and they could have lived longer. They could
have been able to manage their symptoms, manage their pain,
be able to live an extended life. But they were
offered medical assistance and dying. So yeah, the numbers aren't
quite hefty. Sixteen thousand plus died by maid last year.

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But if it ever came to a circumstance where the
prognosis was dire for me and to wither away in
painful fashion in front of myself and in front of
my family, it's something that I think many Canadians might consider.
But we can't be offering it as a go to option,
whether you're a VET or otherwise. So those are the numbers.
And someone said we really should be talking about that

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as a national conversation, and absolutely we can. As tricky
as it is, and it is a lengthy process. It's
not just a finger snap and made is concluded. Okay,
So sometime this month apparently where to expect a fiscal
update coming from Finance Minister Craig Parody. Remember we were
told in the speech in front of the border Trade

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Premier Wakem says the financial situation might be worse than
we already think. You know, the deal the DEATHSIP came
in around six hundred and twenty six million dollars, which
included all of the big tobacco settlement, all the while
boring around four billion dollars. So we're on an unsustainable
path we all know to be true. No real reference
as to why the situation might be worse than we

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already thought, but I guess we'll get some sort of
and hopefully a detailed update sometime this month from the
Finance minister, because just saying it's worse is kind of
a gloomy thing to offer. If it's true, then we
have to understand the numbers and we have to understand
the approach that the government is going to take here.
But at the same time, while being told that things

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might be worse than we already thought, Premier Wakem is
also going to have to say no compromise of any
commitments made during the campaign. Still going to invest in healthcare,
which there's some sort of plan we think about reducing
the it's on travel nurse is not exactly sure, but
then also talking about investment in safer communities, which I
think everyone applauds, whether it be police officers or Crown prosecutors.

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But then it's the pledge to cut taxes. It's going
to be hard to square those circles. Look, would I
like some relief in so far as how much tax
I pay? Of course everybody would, right, But if things
are worse than we thought, the still the plan to
cut taxes is an interesting one. And on top of that,
you still talking about Beta ord as a nation building

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project for starters. I know plenty of people around here
would like to see that project at off the ground,
and plenty obviously would not for a variety of reasons.
But Richard Duggan in the newsroom made a really interesting
point when talking with Premier Wakem about jobs. So that's
been one of the go to for the folks that
trades in l For Premier Wakem himself equinor has now

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agreed to put forward an expression of interest with the prettiest,
carefully thought out caveat, which is normal part of these
EOIs is without compromising cost or schedule. They will be
jobs here top sides. Okay, then you compare contract and
that's where where Richard Dugan was going with this newly
announced MoU non binding agreement between the federal government and

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the Province of Alberta regarding a pipeline to BC's north coast.
Some interesting stuff here. For starters, there's obviously a built
in or a baked in link between this province and
Alberta when working in that sector. So will it be
a case of all provinces racing towards getting shovels in
the ground because skilled trades people are hard to come by.

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So it's an interesting point that Richard makes. Add to it,
what potential for onshore wind or what potential for offshore wind,
or what potential in the Churchill river, so it's a
good one. Also as it pertains to the pipeline business,
David Ebe, the British Columbia Premier, over the weekend said
all of a sudden, he's not one hundred percent opposed

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to the pipeline. Now he says he will be vemally
posed if the pipeline is going to end in the
BC's north coast because of the obvious reasons, the tanker
band that's currently in place. But then a breakdown of
why his tune may have changed a little bit. This
is rough math offered by someone who I follow along

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with and they're usually pretty keen analysis. By twenty thirty five,
LNG projects in BC are going to need somewmer than
able to three hundred billion dollars in an investment, so
obviously some additional revenues because as part of the must
be financed and constructed by the private sector, and BC
and indigenous nations need to profit financially speaking. So Premiere

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eb's tune has changed a little bit. And on that front,
so Premier Waken has also said that whatever he can
release publicly, he will, and he started off with releasing
Mike Wilson's resignation letter. Of course, Mike Wilson part of
the three person panel looking at the UCMOU. I wouldn't
mind gtting to look at that rothstyle report. I have

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to say I've been long wondering why I can't get
a look at, considering that me and you paid for
it summer in the enabled five million dollars. So it'll
be nice to have a gawck at it. And while
the Premier is talking about potentially worse fiscal situation and
really leaning in heavily on Beta North, where are we
in the market sounding that the past liberal government entertained

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regarding our oil equity stakes, they've got some value. What
that might be I have no earthly idea, but to
remind you, in Hebron, the province owns a four point
nine percent equity eight point seven equity position at Hibernie
and South Extension, five percent in the White Rose Extension project,
all of the assets and ip at the Oil Call,
which is the province's splinter away from Nowcore for the

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old gas industry. So be nice to have some of
those numbers here, because just even if you do divest
doesn't mean you're not interested in oil. It's just that
you're interested in bringing some money that is so desperately
needed to address things like the depsit which apparently is
worth and in meetings with the Prime Minister, you know,
really heavy on beta ort but in the concept and

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apparently the Prime Minister Carnity is receptive to it. What
that means not entirely sure and premium. Waken also goes
on to talk about partnering with equinor to get it
off the ground, which people will consider a subsidy. You know,
government spending. There are slight difference between simply spending and investing,
but getting in bed financially speaking with an oil company

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kind of feels like subsidizing them. Your thoughts. He calls
it a partnership, it's a spend. But in the world
of nation building projects, I don't know why the top
of that list is not the expansion at the Upper
Churchill and the possibility for gold and the transmission from
to forementioned hydro broad projects. Don't know why that isn't
a nation building project because the government has already set

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it out loud that it is. Same thing can be
said for critical minerals. It's a nationwide conversation and we're
sitting on a wealth of them in this province. So
I guess debate and or concept, but boy for hydro
and critical minerals, and even like the fixed link, it
just popped my head. The fixed link is in the
hands of the cond of an infrastructure bank, and they've

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already called it a nation building project. Now, whether or
not you think it's a good idea or a flight
of fancy, I'll leave that up to you. But it
just seems that there's more that constitutes nation building. But
I could be wrong. All had some stats, kind of
the numbers from last week. All right, so the Canadian
economy is weak, and you know, we probably shouldn't listen

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a whole whole lot to people who talk about recession
only in technical terms. But Stat's kind of a's numbers
showed an annualized growth of two point six percent. It's
a little bit misleading. Yes, it's the correct technical reference
to an annualized rate of growth. But a lot of
this is in the world of defense spending. So when
we talk about the nature of the Canadian economy, you

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have to have a pretty close look at business investment,
and it's flat in the third quarter. It's as simple
as that. So yeah, the number has been applauded by
many supporters of the liberal government, but it is slightly misleading.
Private sector investment is weak. Growth in the private sector
is weak. And even when we talk about an annualized number, yeah,

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it kind of points to a potential positive track. The
economists and others weighing in on it, look at next
year's growth that around one point eight percent, even though
this most recent federal budget only looked at a number
of one point four percent. So yeah, two point six
annualized growth. But private sector investment is flat period. So
there you go. We want to talk about it, we

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can do it. I don't know how to speak to
this in general terms, but man, civility in political discourse
is eroding rapidly. It's really something else. I'm going to
say this word once and apologize for it in advance.
Is retarded. How does out that has made a pretty

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quick return to their vernacular. It's pretty gross. It just
is you can say whatever you like, I'm not your
nanny or your mother. But boy, oh boy, when political leaders,
including the leader of the free world, are now throwing
that word around and every controversial social media post that
you scroll down through will have people repeatedly and saying

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it every single time that they post in opposition to
one political ideology or policy or thought. So, man, there's
a wonder why we see reports like from Hockey Canada
regarding how many young hockey players are using those words,
whether it be through misogyny or racism or yes, the
R word. There's a reason why discourse is being completely

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derailed is because some people just can't figure out how
to off their their thoughts without going down that unbelievably
pathetic road. We're on Twitter where a lot of that lives,
where VOSM openline follows her how we doing not to
day email addresses open on a VOSM dot com And
of course, so I didn't bring up a topic that
you want to talk about, what I'd have to do
is get on the phone, speak with David and do

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it yourself. Right after this Don't Go Away Welcome Back
to the Show has pointed out by a listener via email,
and the simply said, what's going on out there? And
the link was to a story that was in the Telegram.
Saint John's Real firefighters have responded to nineteen reported mortar
vehicle crashes in less than three days. Look, it's wild
out there, It really truly is. And with the bit

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of weather possibly it's interesting and weld just say how
bit of weather coming maybe the snow brewn up by
this nor'easter. We've got to get our heads in the
winter driving mode as well. So it's a good question, Mike,
what's going on out there? Nineteen motor vehicle crashes in
less than three days, and of course the vast majority
happening at intersections where apparently the red light is simply

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a suggestion for some as opposed to the need to
actually stop your vehicle. Okay, then another email ask you
about the Premier WAKEMS stance on the upper chitull MoU
good question. You know, we mentioned last week that there's
seemingly a change of tune coming from the Premiere on
what this review, this independent review is going to look like.

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At one point we were told that it was going
to be some sort of global corporation with a bit
of horsepower and finance and this level of contracts and
I guess some understanding of the energy industry. But it's
not that anymore. We're simply going down a path of
another three person panel to be appointed by the premier
to have a look to ensure quote unquote, we're getting
the best deal. It kind of feels like the same

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thing we're doing right now, doesn't it. So I don't
know what changes, but you know, we're talking about another
sixty days. And then when pushed about the thought or
the concept of a binding referendum, the Premier is not
quick to say, oh, that is absolutely still going to happen.
He simply makes reference to the fact that people in
this province will get to have their say. How that

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works and what that means and what level of say
your consultation. Certainly not the same as an actual binding
referendum that was appledged many many times on the campaign trail. Anyway,
let's keep pro only let's go to one number. One
second more to the executive director of the Community Foundation
of New Fland and Labrador. That's nicold dog, Good morning
the cold you're on the air. Thank you, I'm okay

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this morning. How about you?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Good?

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Thank you and thank you for welcoming me onto the air.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Too.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Good to have you on the show. Where were we
going to start, Well, we.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Were just going to talk about this new granting program
that just opened up for applications on Friday with the
Community Foundation, a new for Land and Labrador.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Okay, what kind of funding and to solve what type
of issues?

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, so this is really focused on outdoor play in
the province. It's actually a national fund in partnership with
community foundations all across Canada. We know that enough children
are not getting their daily physical activity guidelines and the
screen time is a little bit too high, and so
we know outdoor play is one of the reasons that

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really enhances both kids physical activity but also their mental
and social wellness as well, and you know, and.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Their physical health. I mean, I saw a story not
that long ago with the growing numbers of myopia. And
it's not only about screen time. Is the difference between
indoor light and outdoor light. So short sightedness is on
the rise because of the lack of outdoor play, which
is remarkable.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Yes, exactly, there are so many benefits to getting children
outdoor playing so much more, and so this fund we
know there are barriers do that happening, and so this
fund is meant to support communities to be able to
get more kids outside playing.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
You know, some people use the screen as the de
facto babysit or so to speak, and many young people
will find themselves socializing simply online versus out in the
park or out in the playground or what have you.
But there's another concept inside this get your thoughts on, Nicoll,
is that I think some parents think it's simply, say,
for physically speaking, to be inside, to be where they

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can keep an eye on them versus being outside and
all of the possibilities to skin your knee or to
fall down and bump your head or you know, the
risks associated with playing outside. What we really think that
plays and the sedentary lifestyle many people have these days one.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Hundred percent, that is definitely a big part of it.
And I know, as we were going through a lot
of learning for the Sun with some amazing kind of
outdoor play experts in the country, we talked a lot
about learning about hazards and risks, and that really hazards
we definitely want to reduce, so that is, you know,
broken pieces of equipment things like that that we really

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want to see happen. But risks we really want to
think about how we support children with identifying like what
is what are they able to do like climbing trees,
and those sorts of peace like those are really valuable
skills for kids to be able to learn and also
to be able to explore their own autonomy and ability
to be able to evaluate risk in their life. We

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know we need to support them in that, and so
this fund is really meant to support again with people
having programs to get out there. If people are you
need to look at policies, if people want to introduce
more natural elements into their play spaces. There's a really
wide range of what organizations and communities can think about
with us, because we know that that piece with parents

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and risk or even education for parents around that piece,
can be a part of what people do with this.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, distinguishing the difference to and hazard and risk is
pretty important stuff here, Like a broken set of monkey
bars is obviously something to avoid, and risk would be
the dumb things we did. Go down the slides on
your feet and use swing as high as you can
and then jump off, and things that you can avoid
because their personal decisions. So the money's going to be
spent how if and when people are lucky enough to avail.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
The money, Yeah, exactly. So we have applications are open.
They opened on Friday, and they are open until February
twenty fourth, twenty twenty six, really long time for people
to be able to get to know the fund and
imagine a little bit what they might apply for. So
people can head to CFNL dot ca slash free to

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Play to learn more about how to apply, and we'll
have a group of six to ten organizations from that
application that we'll ask to come together and support us
in allocating the funding. It's a form called predicipatory granting,
so that people whill actually benefit from the fund at
the end of the day will really be in the

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decision making with us to help figure out how it
gets allocated in this province.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
And I know the portal is just open, but can
you give us some examples of what kind of applications
people will be able to send in? So are we
talking about playground equipment or are we talking about establishing
programs or staffing for programs. What kind of applications are
you looking for?

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah, for sure, so we're not talking about traditional playground equipment.
It's not meant to build that. But if folks wanted
to introduce more natural play elements to their playground, that
could definitely be possible in this it could be a
bunch of organizations that work with children in their community
looking at how they do education for parents, or how
they look at their own policies that might be sort

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of over taking the risk out of play, which we
know is really important and inhibiting kids being able to
get out to play, to be schools looking at how
they open up their play spaces to more of the community.
It could be researchers really looking at how do they
work in like through a bunch of organizations to figure

(28:32):
out what can play, what are the barriers that are
in for play at the moment in our community, and
what are the kinds of things that we need to
roll out here both physical but also, like you said, Patti,
there is a lot about how we decide to use
our time and our assumptions we're making about hazards and
disks in play that can get in the way too.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Municipalities.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Supply municipalities aren't eligible to apply directly, but certainly municipalities
would be able to work along side other communities in
their organizations. So we're really focused on registered charities and
incorporated nonprofits, which can also include indigenous governing bodies and
nations in the school or schools or school boards that

(29:14):
have nonprofits too, anything else you.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Want to tell us about, like, for instance, where individuals
not for profits and otherwise have to go if they'd
like to apply for some money, and how much money
is available there.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Yeah, so we have at least two hundred and eighty
one thousand and five hundred dollars that'll get allocated in
the spring. This is a multi year program, so there'll
be some more funding in about a year and a
half to be able to get allocated as well. So
it's CFNL dot ca for folks to learn and yeah, folks,

(29:46):
we've got lots of information there for folks to be
able to reach out and have conversations. And there's a
webinar coming up on December tenth which is really all
about outdoor play for folks to be able to learn
more too.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
So I love this for you to play program just
a more or let you go, Nicole. What role does
your foundation play in the whole concept of community housing?

Speaker 6 (30:07):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (30:08):
So, we as a community foundation, our role is really
around inspiring and facilitating community generosity and at times we
have some gaps and knowledge around how to do that
well and we step in with good qualitative and quantitative data.
For a really long time, our largest work in that

(30:29):
area was related to an All Bioscience, which was our
partnership with the Hair Center for many many years. And
after the last one of those that we did on affordability,
we just didn't have enough space for housing and so
we started to go further into housing. And one of
the things that we really realized is that we are
very low in the province and our percentage of housing

(30:53):
stock for nonprofit and charitably owned housing in the province.
So we worked alongside the community housing sector to create
a report that really captures the challenges and also some
of the solutions to look at how do we change
that number here for the future.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
And I promise this is the last when you mentioned
the Hoier Center. So with mon trying to find some savings,
the core direct funding for the Hoirro Center has gone away.
There's still some projects specific funding that will be available. Possibly.
What does that mean for some of the collaborations that
you've done with the Hair Center over the years.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah, I mean it's a huge loss for us and
the province, the staff and the expertise and really community
Atward facing that the Harris Center did I think was
just really exceptional and really imagtable in communities across the province.
So they were our main partner and a huge part
of what made and all Vital Signs and all Vital signs.

(31:49):
So we're still committed to moving and all idle signs forward.
We are still figuring out what that's going to look like,
just because losing that partner is just such an immense
loss for us. And that does include exploring things with Memorial,
but they were the other pillar of this, and so
we've got to figure out what that's going to be
looking like for the future, and also how we're all

(32:11):
going to fill in that, including the university and government
for the future, because the hair Center was just such
a body of knowledge, but also the way that they
were able to translate data and all of those things
alongside community with such a gift and is just a
really big loss.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
It's such a strange place to start to look for savings.
We're talking about the only university in the province and
the Hirer Center, looking at who we are, where we
came from, where we're going as a people as a province.
It's just mind boggling to me that direct funding or
core funding has been slashed. Nicole, good luck with the
free to play program and let us know how it's going.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Yeah, and thanks too much for allowing us to share
it today.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Happy to do it. Take care, Nicole. Okay, Well, Nicole Dawes,
the executive director ACT the Community Foundation of Newfoundland and
Labrador and community doesn't really get a whole lot of
prominence in the housing conversation. Same thing I think could
be said for co op housing. In the most recent
federal budget. For the first time in a long while,
co op housing is actually part of the conversation. If

(33:13):
you speak with people in the world in the work
of co ops, whether it be in the fishery, whether
it be in banking, whether it be in housing, people
seem to have a pretty positive experience. So now with
money's available federally in the world of co op housing,
I think that's a positive development. Let's get a break
in when we go back, we're speaking with you. Don't
go away, welcome back to the program. I had heard

(33:35):
this in the newscast but forgot to mention it. It's
World AIDS Day and we've got some new numbers from
the AIDS Committee of New flandal laborage or rates of
HIV infections are up across the country in this province,
oh Boy from twenty twenty three shows a thirty five
percent increase in new HIV infection's highest rate of transmission
in over a decade in this province. In twenty twenty three,

(33:56):
the province nineteen new cases the virus, followed by eleven
new cases last year. So the AIDS Committe today a
resources will be made available from ten to two. Blood
tests will also be available from the Newfland Labrador Health
Services Harm Reduction Nursing Team. So there you go. Also
with the country having lost its measle free status, it's

(34:17):
a conversation that had a one day little passage through
the news cycle and then kind of went away, and
of course the predictable feedback on that will be well,
that's what happens when you welcome so many millions of
newcomers from third world countries. You see the reaction the
same as I do. The facts in the breakdown are
the highest rate of refusal for the measles vaccine has

(34:39):
been from born and raised Canadian families, so number one,
and secondly it's an odd way to make that argument.
If you're saying that it's because of immigrants, well you're
basically saying the quiet part out loud that vaccination for
measles is important. So which one is it? So we
do know the highest rated refusal is amongst born and
raised Canadian families. But if you're blaming it down one

(35:02):
segment of society, in this case being immigrants to the country,
then you're basically saying that being vaccinated for measles remains important.
So there you go. I did mention very quickly about
the contribution of artificial intelligence and the growing scams online,
which will be very prevalent today being cyber Monday. Here's

(35:23):
just another story about how we could and should, in
my estimation, be thinking about artificial intelligence and these huge
data centers. Many people are really high on them as
it pertains to power from the Churchill River, and your
opinion is welcome on that front. But here's just another
example about not just the energy required to power these
data centers and the water required, which is amazing stuff,

(35:46):
especially when you factor in the amount of drought experience
in different parts of the country in this past year.
This is a story that came from rolling Stone. So
this is about Moral County where Amazon is using water,
and this is just right next to Flint, Michigan. Amazon
is using water that's already been contaminated because of industrial
agriculture fertilizer. So they run it through to cool down

(36:10):
what are these ultra hot servers, and after that it separates,
it partially evaporates, it separates the nitrates that stay behind,
and that what happens in is the water leaving Amazon's
data center is even more concentrated with pollutants than when
it went in. So again it's just it's amazing that
you know, yes, in the world of healthcare and engineering

(36:31):
and other industry, AI can be extremely helpful and beneficial
and can get through the data that would take an
army a month and it can do it in minutes
or seconds flat. So of course it's going to have
some practical applications, but a lot of the AI generated
opportunity that's often for people just to make their own
little funny videos or memes or what have you. We're

(36:54):
talking about a lot of power, a lot of money,
and a lot of that wasted for less than practical
or pragmatic purpose. So when that water leaves that Amazon
data center gets dumped and dispray local farmland, and so
consequently the contaminated water so straight into the aquifer that
thousands of people drink from. So maybe it's a nice

(37:14):
slated story regarding this already contaminated water that comes through
the cool Amazon's data centers there. And when we talk
about the economic benefit or possible benefit for attracting artificial
intelligence data centers to Labrador, the locations right, the conditions
are right, the temperature is right, the geography is available,
the water is available, and potentially the power is available.

(37:38):
But then it's exactly what kind of return we get
on it, paying potentially industrial or commercial rates for the hydropower,
and the numbers of jobs that would be created to
build the data center, to maintain the data center versus
what we already know is a traditional industry like mining.
So not so sure. The cost benefit analysis is way
up there with you compare or contrast centers with minds

(38:01):
expansion or new minds in Labrador. So we can add
that into the conversation, because I think that's a big one.
Every now and then when I utter the phrase fixed link,
you get the combination of replies right, it's a waste
of time, or it's long overdue and people pick it.
There are updated numbers out there that are available. And
the point that the one emailer made is that you know,

(38:22):
with beta order and critical minerals and the Upper Churchill
and all the rest of it, how come the Premier
is not talking about the fixed link. I don't know.
It's probably a question better served to the Premier himself.
But you're right, I haven't heard much of anything from
Premier Wakem on the campaign trail and or in conversation
with the Prime Minister about the possibility for a fixed
link between Labrador and the island. The numbers are really

(38:45):
different when you look at the old Hatch report versus
the more updated report about the forecast of usage and
the potential revenue shortfalls that araps point to two. We're
happy to dig into it, but next steps of going
to the industry that can build these tunnels. It's next
steps regardless of anyone about anyone thinks about it, because

(39:07):
for the obvious reasons, the feasibility studies in Safaris, Hatch
and ARAP are vastly different. But it's the need to
go to the world the corporate world and see what
their plans might look like for design, for cost and
how long it would take to construct. And just curiously
on that front of joining the different areas by tunnel,

(39:27):
it was on this date in nineteen ninety where sections
of the Chunnel tunnel between Larson, Paris and London they
met for the first time of the last rocks were cleared,
and that's forty meters beneath the seabed connecting France and
the UK on this date, nineteen ninety. How about that,
let's get a break in. Let me come back. We're
looking forward to speaking with you on a topic that's
up to you. Don't go away, welcome back to the show.
Someone looking for an update on a case that really

(39:49):
drew some national eyeballs. It was in September in Ontario
where a homeowner was a victim of a home invasion
and fought back by wielding a knife. Squidly was charged.
So you know, it's the whole standard ground or the
castle laws like we see in the United States. So
I think it's a fair conversation we had. But in

(40:09):
this country the law is pretty clear on that front.
You absolutely have the right to defend yourself and your
family and your home, but not to be it has
to be commensurate with the threat you face, which is basically,
if someone brings in the fists and their feet, then
you can't stab them. You know, not to dump it
down too far, but that's the basics of it. As

(40:30):
a result. Now, Daniel Smith, the Premier Alberta, So it
was just last week that there was announcement coming from
Premier Smith that they were introducing two different clauses to
what they call the Alberta Sovereignty within a United Canada Act,
which said the Alberta government would refuse to enforce the

(40:51):
federal concizure program and we can get into the gun
buy back. As to whether or not it's even going
to work and how much money it's going to cost,
we don't know. Secondly, Alberta can legally defend their homes
and families from home intruders. You know, it's one of
those populism feel goods. But correct me if I'm wrong.
But the provincial governments, whether they use not with standing

(41:11):
clause or not, do not have the actual authority or
the right to deal with things that have been amended.
Empowerment regarding provisions inside the Criminal Code of Canada, so
they can refuse to cooperate in the federal gun seizure
program because we don't even know what that's going to do.
Look like, we have no idea how much it's going
to cost. And there's plenty of controversy. There's something like

(41:32):
three hundred and sixty thousand people in Alberta that have
registered firearms. But the business about Albertans can now legally
defend themselves and their homes and their families from home intruders.
I'm not even sure that's available. Like, is that something
that any problems can actually change of their own accord
to stand up to or to topple or to ignore

(41:55):
provisions of the Criminal Code of Canada, which is a
federal responsibility. I don't know, but it's interesting that someone
said they wish the premiere here in this problems would
do the same thing. Okay, I'm the gun buy back.
I think it's only rolled out in the form of
a pilot and that was in Cape Brighton. And you know,
I understand when gun owners talk about legally or legally

(42:16):
abiding citizens with their own firearms, what's going to look
like and the confusion regarding what's on the list. There
are some firearms on the lists that are going to
be prohibited and some on the lists that are going
to be allowed with the exact same capacity. They just
look different. They have the same magazine as the exact
same capacity, and yet they have that disconnected being on
the prohibited list versus on the will be allowed to

(42:38):
use list. I don't know how many Canadians have a
problem with the handgun provisions. But again, while the government
goes through this gun buyback at untold cost, everybody in
law enforcement will point to the exact same root cause
issue four guns in this country. Handgun specifically is at
the southern border. So unless you start there, then these

(43:01):
are all just political optic experiments and exercises. And yes,
if it's going to be continued via the now Carney
liberal government, it might be nice to know how it's
going to work. It'd certainly be nice to know how
much it's going to cost, because those are two pretty
key important issues as it pertains to guns and otherwise
in the country right right, a couple of quick ones

(43:22):
on drugs. So we do know that the Americans have
told us that part of the tariff based trade war
is about fentanyl, even though minuscule and any bit of
fentonila is dangerous. It can kill you where you stand,
understood by a minuscule amount coming from Canada to the
States versus Mexico into the States. Also important to note
that these are numbers that come directly from the American

(43:44):
border services at the Mexican border. If the concern is
now Venezuelans and Colombians and the Chinese, which are absolutely
a problem, over eighty percent of people caught bringing fentanyl
into the United States from Mexico over eighty percent, and
our American citizens. So it's a bit of a home
grown problem. We have plenty of problems in this country

(44:05):
with the super labs and not enough being done at
the ports regarding the precursors of the fentanyl. But again,
you know, you see the compared in the contrast about
what's actually going on here in the newly ramped up
war against drugs. So while they're blowing boats out of
the water in the Caribbean, and you can share that
on if you see fit, and plenty of people out

(44:26):
there think these are extra judgicital killings. But at the
same time, while this is an active, ongoing operations and
we're approaching one hundred people killed at this point during
these bombings in the Caribbean. At the exact same time,
the former president of what country is it again anyway,

(44:48):
Juan Orlando Hernandez convicted by a jury for conspiring to
traffic four hundred tons of cocaine into the United States,
found guilty by a jury, sentenced to prison, and has
now been given a pardon. So which is it? Are
we actually fighting drugs and criminal global criminal syndicates? I mean,

(45:11):
this guy was accused of running a cartel and yet
he gets a full pardon. Same thing with the guy
who created Silk Road, which was doing a lot of
dark web trafficking in drugs, he gets a pardon. So
again it's hard to get the understanding of exactly who

(45:32):
is accomplishing what. And the contrast of pardoning cartel leaders
central American leaders at the same time blown the boatside
of the water. That's one before we get to the break.
And this regarding the Prime Minister's time as the central
banker for the Bank of England. For stats, it was

(45:53):
the first non brit to be at the helmet the
Bank of England for over three hundred years. He was
there longer than anybody else, was there longer than his term.
And you know, you hear from Liz Trost's farmer prime
minister who didn't even last fifty days, talk about how
big a disaster he was. And of course we all
know if you follow the news, and this is a
story that came from the Telegraph newspaper who were absolutely

(46:17):
pro Brexit big time. They are now carefully reviewing the
numbers and for folks have followed long at the time,
Mark Kearney was completely opposed to Brexit and flashed all
the warnings. You could like her Loath Carney, but we're
just talking about some well understood facts in recent memory.
So completely posed. And now the Telegraph has broken down

(46:38):
the impacts of Brexit since it is nuts. Just get
a load of this and again reminder, the Telegraph was
pro Brexit big time. Brexit has cut the UK GDP
by eight percent. Investment in the UK is down eighteen percent,
productivity is down four percent, employment is down four percent.

(47:00):
No trade benefits, no regulatory freedom, no immigration control, no
growth period. So while we talk about the concepts of
separation in this country and there is going to likely
be a referendum in Albertla. There's likely going to be
another one in Quebec. I mean the Party of Quebec
WUA leader has said clearly that when elected, and they
will be, there will be another referendum on separation. I

(47:22):
don't think I look for sorrys. I don't think it's
a good idea for either of the provinces. But the
Brexit results are crystal clear. It has been devastating to
the UK and their economy. GDP down eight percent, investment
down eighteen percent. Boy, let's see here, let's get a
break in for the news. I'll make it back. We're
looking forward to speaking with you. Don't go away, welcome back.

(47:46):
Well back. In the news is the ongoing saga regarding
the Amelia Earhart statue that was stolen out in Harbergras.
It was weird enough when it happened, and even the
lady who allegedly found it and had sent to us
emails about the fact that she was expecting the reward
that was offered. It was initially I think twenty five
thousand dollars, and another ten thousand dollars was heaped on

(48:06):
top of that. If it led to an arrest and
a conviction for the theft. So we know the statue
has been recovered. It's in the hands of Morgan McDonald
here now down at his foundry, and he says he
can put it back together, which includes incorporating a lot
of more heavy steel inside the statue to making more
and more difficult to steal into the future, which is
probably a very good idea. But the lady who came

(48:27):
forward and told the ICCMP that she had found the
statue is now of course being considered a suspect, and
it's left. The story goes on to say that her
son has indeed been convicted of stealing copper wire from
New flam Power, and at the time of the statue
being stolen in Harbergrays, the young fellow was actually in
jail for that crime. So I have no earthly idea

(48:47):
who stole it, or why they stole it, or what
they intended to do with it. But when it got
as much media coverage as it did, of course the
possibility to sell it on the quote unquote black market
was reduced because people were keeping their pield why because
there was a substantial reward offered for it so again
the lady said, it's really ruined her life. It's changed

(49:08):
her life in her own community. People are looking at
her differently. And I mean, I guess I say her
name because it's actually in the story in the news
story has written this morning, Elaine Travers. So she admits
that her son did what he did and he was
in prison for it, but now she is the focus
as the possible suspect in having stolen it. And again
I don't know what went down there, who's responsible, what

(49:30):
they planned on doing with it, But that's back in
the news today, which is fascinating to me. At a
quick clarification, Premier wakems pledge throughout the campaign and continues
on about the Upper Church and we really should keep
talking about the Upper Churchill for the expansion at the
Upper and the possibility to develop Call which is controlled

(49:51):
by Hydrocobec. Is when I said that it looks like
we're going down the exact same path of independent review
as opposed to some corporation with this type of understanding
of economics and maybe the energy industry and this level
of contract. Because we're talking about a half a trillion dollars,
so pretty big numbers as opposed to hiring a corporation

(50:14):
that would be hard to find with zero conflicts of
interest between Newfland, Lebrador's government and an L Hydro, the
problems of Quebec and Hydro Quebec, it was going to
be tricky at the best of times. So now we're
going right down the path that was initially chosen by
the Liberals is a political appointment of three people to
sit on a panel with the financial background and energy background,

(50:36):
and who knows who it's going to be, So it
doesn't really feel like a whole lot has changed there.
So the emailer says, why am I opposed to independent review?
I'm not, which I've said many times. I have no
problem with an independent review. It's too important and has
fifty plus years of implication to get it right. It's
obviously critically important. But this is about the same strategy

(50:59):
as we've already employed here. So when JP Morgan Chase
had a look and Power Advisory is dealing with the
Dennis Prown lead panel, to just have another three person
appoints the panel, does that really change a whole whole lot?
I guess it depends on who will beyond the panel
and Curiously, the emailer said, I wonder what Mike Wilson
beyond the panel. Well, unless the terms of reference for

(51:20):
the next incoming panel are changed, then mister Wilson probably
doesn't want to participate. But anyway, I didn't say independent
reviews a bad thing, because I've said countless times I
think it's a good thing. Let's get to lie number one, Dave,
you're on the air.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 7 (51:34):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
That's bad you?

Speaker 5 (51:37):
I am doing okay again. But the reason I called
you was that Wednesday evening, I guess somebody that's become
a blatant problem in this province delivered itself to my door.
And I've been basically in the bunk uh trying to

(51:59):
recover what happened. And they had me on morphine, painkillers
and everything you can think of. Because on Wednesday night
we returned from the city. We had been in there
for a couple of nights, and then we arrived home
Wednesday about two o'clock in the morning. Thursday morning, two am,

(52:22):
I hear somebody outside of my house trying to steal
my side by side. When I got up and looked
through the window, I knocked over a vase that was
on the coffee table. He heard it and he bolted.
I was sleeping about five feet from where this little
dummy tried to steal my quad, So anyway, I woke

(52:44):
my son. We jumped in on a truck and we
went down the road in the direction that he ran.
But he seen that he heard us coming, and he
hid behind my neighbor's car and we passed by them.
We turned around and come back and he's in the
process of assaulting my neighbor's daughter. She had seen him

(53:05):
trying to get well. He did get into their truck
and she come down, and then she was trying to
stay away from him, running around the truck when we
got there, So we jumped out of our truck to
confront him, and he ran. We chased after him. He
got a distance from us. Then he got away from
us and he ran back and he got my pickup,

(53:26):
which was part where we had encountered him. My son
got back first and tried to stop him from stealing
the truck. He had his leg in, pegging the break
and trying to hold on him and struggling with him,
and I went behind the two of them to try
and get the keys out of the ignition and that's
when he got the truck and gear and flattened the gas.

(53:48):
The two of us were hanging were basically into the
truck trying to get him out, and he dragged us
several feet down the road. My son's full of road
rash and whatever the case may be. And when I
come off the side of the truck, the rear tire
of the truck literally passed inches in front of my face.

(54:12):
So he proceeded at a high rate of speed, leaving
Saint George's down to town. We called the police. They
hooked up with him somewhere between Saint George's and Stephenboa
Crossing and then he put my truck off the road
at a high rate of speed in Stephenboa Crossing itself.

(54:34):
He could have killed any person that pulled out of
their driveway. After he left the incident with us, and
luckily God love him, the RCMP did everything that they could.
They apprehended him, They had the pepper spray them at
the site. They brought him to the hospital, which is

(54:55):
where we ended up. We arrived at the same time
in an ambulance. My wife brought me down in our
pickup myself and my son. My son was bleeding, I
was all broke up, so they wouldn't let us in
the emergency area. At the same time, when they brought
him in Stephen Hospital, they had the pepper spray in
the second time, which delayed us from even getting in

(55:19):
the emerged room because they had to open windows and
turn on ventilation whatever to clear out the pepper spray.
We came so close to losing our lives trying to
protect our property, and of course our neighbor young girl
was not in a great position where she was two.

(55:41):
So this all passes over throughout the night. The next
morning we checked my side by side, which is covered
in blood. On the door going in the side by
side is tanning color. There was no trouble to see
the blood and you walked up to it. Inside the
side by side was covered in blood and there was

(56:01):
a knife in there with a broken off blade, which
d RCMP now have. And I heard of a nightmare
story that took place before he made it down the
road through Saint George's to when he got to my property.
There were several incidents before he even got here. He
was out of his mind on drugs. We have every

(56:25):
bit of what he did on my property and beyond
on the security system for my security system at my
garage which I live on the same parking lot as
my service station. The reason for calling this morning not
just to reiterate what happened to us, but I shouldn't

(56:49):
have been able to happen us. He should be in
jail right now for prior accounts that he keeps getting
a slap on the wrist from from these judges in Stephenville, who,
from what I'm told, since about July or August, or
even having the decisions of these judges looked at, because

(57:09):
they have been so slack, they've been in so basic,
you know, get caught, get out the same day, get
a free lunch. That little I won't use the word
on the ear that I would just have used, but
he could have cost me and my son our lives
that very same night. And I'm waiting now to see

(57:30):
what the RCMP is actually charging him with, because that
was the most case of assault with a weapon, and
that being a vehicle that I've ever encountered. I can
tell you that, and this little whatever will probably be
out on the streets and probably very quick order and

(57:53):
then it's going to make a criminal to me because
if I hear he's out, I'm going to be going looking.
There's absolutely no reason that he should be allowed outside
for years, and he should have to really reflect on
what he did. Sad part of it is this young
fellow I actually helped on the beach down in Black
Bank about seven or eight years ago. We came across

(58:15):
in the nighttime where he had flipped his dirt bike
and he was down on the beach. We call the ambulance,
we call our local fire department, and we stayed with
him until he got taken to the hospital. And this
is exactly the repayment that you end up for doing
the likes of that.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
You wonder where the new federal legislation and people call
it tough on crime, You wonder where it's going to go.
And there's lots of key elements to it. So reverse
on a spail, which is a real difference in trying
to get bail. So basically, and there's four specific crimes,
but basically the partnerships of the accused to prove while
they should be allowed out on bail, and it can
include things like violent auto theft as you mentioned, here

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this morning, home breaking answers, human trafficking extore. They're also
allowed now as part of this proposal legislation to look
at the accused history of violence when making a bail decision,
as opposed to just for the crime being charged at
that time. Then it's the time that people spend in
prison if convicted. So this is also proposing consecutive sentences,

(59:17):
which has not been allowed in this country for a
long time. This for certain violent crimes, just like the
ones I just mentioned. Oh you can add Arson to that,
wherepe defenders could be sentenced for consecutive sentences. Then they
talk about hiring more RCMP officers to the tune of
about a thousand costs GOO two billion dollars than other
investments in technical capabilities to combat serious crime. The only

(59:38):
reason I put it out through is because it's pretty
much akin to what we're discussing right now. The trick
is whether or not it'll pass the legal smell test.
When Stephen Harper as Prime Minister proposed very very similar legislation,
it went through the House of Commons but got shot
down by the Supreme Court of Canada. So this exact
same exercise is going to happen with this new liberal

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proposal legislation about tough on crime, whether or not there's
a change in tune because of a change in political appetite,
I think a change in the thought of public safety
in this country. I wonder what's going to happen when
this eventually and inevitably makes it to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
I don't know, But whoever are going to actually be
the ones that decide upon these rules moving forward and
being tough on crime. I think every one of them
should encounter something the likes of what I encountered on
Wednesday night that will help them make up their minds,
that will help them take their soft approach on things
that Little sob should not have been on the road.

(01:00:36):
This should not have been allowed to happen to us
because of the prior things that have gone on with him.
And it's not like it's something that's not known. I mean,
the entire community knows what he's about, all the communities
around here about so many people have had issues with him,
and I mean you could say a lot of reason
they're still out there and the release so quickly is

(01:00:57):
because we don't have the prison space we will build
their prisons, build more prisons, put them away. They don't
belong amongst society, amongst the rest of us. Yeah, it's
not fit that it's being condoned.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I'm not condoning it. I think that's why the new
prison is going to be I think three hundred and
twenty five beds versus what it is about one hundred
and eighty capacity at HNP and the roverer capacity all
the time. So maybe there's a potential for a different
detention center to be built for people simply on remand
who did not get bailed. You know what, it doesn't
have to be the same type of prison setting because

(01:01:31):
there's a bunch of reasons why some people and it
doesn't need to necessarily be just violent crime that these
people denied bail. There's lots of other public menaces to
society that did not include violence. But does it absolutely
include crime, you know, violence against people's I guess I
should ad versus property, anything else you want to say, Dave, well,
we have you.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
No, that's about it. Just people be out there and
be aware that night, I mean we had to chase
down in the pickup and all that type of stuff
took place. But what about if we had encountered him
while he's still holding his knife with the broken off
blade as he's trying to steal our side beside. People
got to be aware when you go through that door
in the nighttime, if you hear something that a freak

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like this could be out there just waiting for you armed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Oh don't I know. It's I appreciate your time, Dave.
I'm glad you're doing okay.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Thanks buddy, take care of you too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Bye bye bye. Yeah, let's take a break, don't away.
Welcome back. Let's go to line number one. Jimmy, you're
on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Yes, boy, Patty on down from Goose straight. More little
vellas in Gray two will be shocked now. And their
gym was closed since the end of September because the
issues with the floor. Now the end of September is
almost Christmas home man, so these games are cooped up
the classroom all day, can't even get out for a

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half hour gym or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
What's wrong with the floor, it's just all oh the
school sixty.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Years old, old man, full of mold and moist and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Yeah, so I mean is the floor is just simply unsafe.
It's as fundamental as that, Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Yes, they got her closed down because the women play
soccer there in the evening time.

Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
The women play soccer.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
In the gym in the evening toilet, okay.

Speaker 8 (01:03:21):
And two of them fell down and broke.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
Their legs, and they posed the gym ever since rather
and flakes the floor.

Speaker 6 (01:03:27):
They just shut her down.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
So is there no plan to fix the floor? There
must be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
They got the flooring near, they.

Speaker 8 (01:03:35):
Just ain't put it down.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
What's the name of the school he got primary? Okay, Well,
we can follow up the Department of Education because if
they've already gone through the process of buying replacement flooring
means that there's some sort of replacement strategy in place,
So we can finally get a timeline for you, Jimmy,
that's the best I can do. You're the man, Patty,
no problem, see what I can do. Thank you, You're welcome,

(01:04:00):
Bye bye. Because if the school has gone through the
procurement process of buying the floor and then they must
have had the associated laying of the flooring or the
ripping up of the old and the laying of the new, right,
you would think, so, so we can get a timeline
for Jimmy on that front. Let's keep going. Let's go
to lie number two, Elaine Traverse around the air.

Speaker 9 (01:04:21):
Good morning, Patty, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
I'm okay? How about you?

Speaker 9 (01:04:25):
Not to bed? Not too bad, it could be better, but.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
You're back in the news. Just so we can set
up the conversation here. Elaine is the lady who found
the Amelia Airheart statue and as a result, now a
focus of an RCM investigation as to whether or not
Elaine and her son knew anything about or stole the statue.

Speaker 9 (01:04:43):
Where are we Well, I did a lot of detector
tests on Wednesday afternoon, okay, and my son did one
on Thursday morning at the RCMP building in Harbor Grase
and we both passed that we are not connected to
it at all. We had no affiliation with the robbery
of the statue. Now, a lot of people don't believe

(01:05:07):
that they were a light detector done in hybrid greaves.
But if they want to come forward and talk to me,
I'll take them over and they can talk to the
officers here with me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
What has the investigation or the allegation that you may
indeed have stolen the statue? And now you say you've
passed the polygraph is what has that meant for your
life and the way you're treated in your community.

Speaker 9 (01:05:32):
Well, I feel like I'm a criminal and I've never
I can't. I never stole anything because I'm a sexuary
for different organizations and if my pen runs out, well
I'll take a pen and use that one and take
it with me accidentally. But that's the only thing that
I've ever stolen. And my son had no dealings with
this at all because he was in jail and he

(01:05:53):
passed the light detector test and so did I. But
I still feel like I'm a criminal in my own community.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Has the RCMP actually publicly disclosed the results of your
a lot of tech for tests.

Speaker 9 (01:06:07):
I don't know if they've done that yet, but FID
or the Superinto, I'm not sure which. There's an officer
over a fabric Grace that said they were going to
get back to me on Thursday. That was their last yift,
so she might be back on today, and I'm hoping
i'll hear from her today stating that it will be

(01:06:28):
because they said that uncleared and my son is cleared.
But in my eyes and my son's eyes, they're still
calling US criminals. They're still calling us flyers and thieves.
And I was no handy to it when it got stole.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
So do you think this will result in you getting
the reward?

Speaker 9 (01:06:49):
I don't think it will. I think it was just
false advertisement I'm getting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Do you think you were the focus of the investigation
because your son was she convicted sealing copper wire from
the flamp power?

Speaker 9 (01:07:03):
Yes, I do, but he did his time and he's
cleared of all that, and we're clear of the stealing
the statue. I had no connection with stealing the statue.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Needed did he.

Speaker 9 (01:07:17):
We're all cleared of that from the Arsena and p
point of view.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Well, if you didn't do it, I'm glad you're cleared.

Speaker 9 (01:07:24):
Yes, I am glad to and I wish that people
would understand. But you know, they still think we're criminals,
and eventually it will all clear our names. But it's
very sad at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
What kind of time did your son get for sealing
the copper wire?

Speaker 9 (01:07:47):
Oh, my gosh, eight or ten months? Okay, I'm not
sure exactly. I know it was eight or ten months, definitely,
it might have been a bit longer than that. He
served from January two July. He didn't get out at all,

(01:08:08):
so that would be what seven months? Yeah, I came
him on eighty ten months.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Okay, well again, if you didn't do it, I hope
people will cut you some slack hair. And of course,
like I said off the top, I have no worth
the idea what happened to the statue, and I don't
pretend to know Elene, anything else you want to say
while we have you this morning.

Speaker 9 (01:08:29):
No, I want to thank you for always being there
for your patty, and I wish people would just believe
that we had nothing to do with it. We've done
everything that we've been requested to do, and we're still
looking like the criminals.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Elene, you take care. I appreciate the updated information regarding
your lotitextro test.

Speaker 9 (01:08:47):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 10 (01:08:48):
Fatty.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
You have a good morning, you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Too, Bye bye. I mean, if the RCP, it would
be helpful if the RCMP have concluded that the investigation
in Willie Travers and her son is no longer and
they don't believe that they did anything wrong. I guess
it would be helpful for Elena and her son if
the cops would actually say that. So we'll see if
we can get a comment from them, and I think

(01:09:11):
that would be helpful. And I can't presuppose what the
RSMP thinks or what they're willing or not to say.
But anyway, that's where we are. Let's get a break in.
When we come back, we're speaking with you. Don't go away,
Welcome back to the show. Let's go Lenumer three, you
say you want to the NDP member for Saint John Center,
Leader of the party, Jim Din Jim you'round the air.

Speaker 7 (01:09:31):
Good morning, Patty, thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
No problem.

Speaker 7 (01:09:33):
So so we issued a letter to the premiere today
and a press release basically calling on him now to
open the House of Assembly for a special debate, special
sitting on his intentions with regards to the Churchill Falls

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Oversight Panel, on the MoU, to the terms of reference,
and to his intentions regarding his intentions to hold a referendum.
This came after I mean, as I've said before, I
understand maybe a new administration is in the transition with

(01:10:20):
regards to opening the House, but at the same time,
he's made a number of statements with regards to the
to what he intends that really needed to be debated.
I spoke to the premiere. I think on the day
of our of the swearing in, and at that time

(01:10:41):
we had a conversation, certainly with regards to the approach
he's taken with regards to release of the letter by
Michael Wilson, and there's more to come. I indicated at
that time that we, and I'm sure all MHAs would
be interro, would be willing to have input as to
what this panel would look like, what an independent review

(01:11:04):
process would look like, or whether or not the current panel,
if it has it has the restrictions removed, could still
do its job. I followed up with an email on
the fifth of November to ask again to reiterate our willingness,
and I did get a response back again it was

(01:11:27):
more or less no commitment as to whether seeking input,
and I followed up with another one on the tenth
of November. So right now we have not we at
the most I can say we've received is a vague,
vague assurances about transparency. So I think at this stage,
before we walked down a path that Mike could have

(01:11:49):
repercussions for the negotiations, that we have an opportunity for
all members of the House of Assembly to have input
into what an oversight panel would look like. There was
that opportunity back in January when we put for the
and at that time the current government, when their opposition

(01:12:12):
had the opportunity to participate in in that and have
a h and to have a shape help shape that panel,
they chose not to and then chose to walk out
on the boat. So I guess I have concerns here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
I know.

Speaker 7 (01:12:28):
Certainly when my colleague Jordan Brown's in the House, it
was of significant importance to Labrador West at the future
of its very future, and we all want to make
sure we get this done right. But I think if
we're going to have a transparent and oversight panel, then
really no one government, no one party owns owns that

(01:12:50):
we should all be really should should have the input
and otherwise we're walking on the same path that that
we were going with the previous.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Well, considering the fact government's going to change hands countless
times before this contract or the eventual contract expires, it
just makes sense. So what should the panel look like?

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
For me?

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
You know, it really does feel like we're doing the
exact same thing that the Liberals chose to do. Three
political appointees, you know, we can all look at the
backgrounds of then was mister Wilson and mister Brown and
the other gentleman's name is Boone. I believe, pretty impressive resumes.
So it really feels like we're doing the exact same thing,
but a different party appointing members of the panel. For

(01:13:32):
your if you had George Brothers, what should the panel
look like or should we be more focused on something
like a global organization with some serious horsepower and experience
in this level of contract. I mean that would be
my preference, But what do you think the panel should
look like?

Speaker 7 (01:13:47):
Look, I think you look at what you just said,
that makes perfectly good sense. Here's my thought on it.
We saw the I saw the under we had the
unrelected version of the resignation letter, and we saw the
letter then from the Clerk of the Executive Council. So
here's my question is if we remove the obvious restraints

(01:14:09):
or the restrictions that were put into that uh that
that's seen the put in place by the clerk and
you put if that matter you a point. Okay, we
want other experts on let the panel continuous work, but
we want to have that oversight and then that access
to uh that access to experts and so on and
so forth. Uh, that's in in the end, I want,
I want the scrutiny on a patty. And I know

(01:14:32):
in talking to New Flan Hydro, UH certainly they're they're
they're they're open to that scrutiny. I don't need to
know the the the trade secrets, things that might jeopardize
negotiations and so on and so forth, But I there
there there would be specific questions that I would want
to answer with regards to you know, uh, to the

(01:14:52):
the term to the terms, the term papers and so
on and so forth, the and the the with the
thirty three point eight billion and so on and so that,
whether it's fixed or whether it's floating, and so on
and so forth. But I think it comes down to
simply replacing one one committee or one oversight panel with

(01:15:13):
another that you've appointed hasn't gained us. I don't think
has probably done more to delay the process. And we've
been steadfast and this from the get go that this
has cannot be a political policies. You got to stay
out of. This is too important. It comes down to
we I, as a living on the I want to

(01:15:35):
make sure is this going to benefit have a benefit
for my grandchildren down the road and Labrador West. Their
economic survival depends on it. So it's about making sure
they get the power they need. So whether we need
we need to appoint a new one or whether the
current one can be salvaged by having the unrestricted powers

(01:15:56):
to do to investigate as it sees fit. Because that
was all is my intention and the NDP's intention at
the time, that they that an oversight panel would have
be able to decide what it wants to investigate and
and and put a subject to scrutiny, pure and simple.
Will that will that happen in this case? I don't know.
I'm assuming it is, but I do think that and

(01:16:17):
not just the nd P, but I think if we
have this debate in the House of Assembly, that's where
you're going to get I guess the the opposition now,
the Liberals and the independent member and the n d
P uh, we we have the we have questions we
need to ask about how this is going to look,
the very questions that you and I are just asking
at this at this point. How and that's where we're

(01:16:41):
going to get the answer. But otherwise, the commitment certainly
that I got from mister Awake, from Premier wakem at
the end of the UH after the swearing instrument ceremony
seems to have gone to the wayside, and and the
opportunity to have input is no longer available. So to me,
that's not transparent. You can easily be transparent with the

(01:17:03):
previous administration releasing documents, but you also must be transparent
yourself if you truly believe in transparency.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
The mandate was just too narrow, as Mike Wilson said exactly.
You know, the ability to assess not only risks that
are in the MoU, but also the possibility for things
to change, which absolutely should be cemented in contractual language
like East West Energy Quarter, like federal intervention in the
major project's office regarding transmission, which the problem tak Back
is already actively labbying for. So those types of things

(01:17:34):
really need a keener focus just the whole did we
get the best deal possible? We're basicly going to boil
that down to opinions as opposed to assessment of risk
and the potential for change, just from my own perspective now.

Speaker 7 (01:17:45):
No sorry and talking like and I've had a conversation
Michael Wilson. One of the things he said to it
made sense. It's probably better to ask have come over
this series of very specific questions rather than say whether
the deal is good or not. That makes perfectly good sens.
There are certain questions that will come to the conclusion.
But I agree with you on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Yeah, yeah, And even if the House is reopened and
there's some debate or consideration from other parties and independent
members about what the panel should look like. It reminds
me of the very first bill that the Dwight Baul
Liberals put for Bill number one was for the Independent
Commission to select people to lead the different commissions and
agencies and boards. But at the exact same time, the

(01:18:27):
Cabinet remained the last decision maker, so there could be
a list of three names provider, but the government could
do whatever they want, so said their own bill. It
feels like the same thing here. If we have suggestions
coming from you or anybody else in the House, the
government will always still remain the decision maker here, so
I don't know what actually gets achieved. Plus I'm really

(01:18:48):
curious to speak with premiuer Wakem about this whole thing.
In the future and the lab West future business is
important quad opening the Labrador recall block too, around twelve
hundred megawatts, but that's only over the course of three
plus decades, so that's a long term issue as much
as you know immediate satisfaction because there's already immediate power
needs and Labrador.

Speaker 7 (01:19:09):
The question, look, the question, I'll start with the basic question,
given the fact of what we know with regards to
the Clerk of the House, the Clerk, Executive Counsel, the
the what Michael Wilson said in his letter, here's the
question I would ask, can the current committee or the
oversight panel be be revised or refurbished or whatever, but

(01:19:35):
and have the federals to remove and put in the
nest and allow it to continue the work it's done
about this time with with the assurances that assurances in
place to UH that we are getting that independent that
independent review. I think to your point with regards to
government makes the final decision, then I think it comes

(01:19:57):
down to as well, that's answering to the House of Assembly.
Here's what the committee came up with, here's what the
here are the answers to these specific questions. Because you're
right government will make the decision. But I think then
the House of Assembly is the members of the House
Assembly and by extension, the people of the province are
entitled to find out, Okay, what are the answers to

(01:20:17):
these specific questions that well without violating I guess the
trade secrets and so on and so forth. Because in
the end, the other part is should this go to
a referendum? And we're still discussing this almost a year later.
It's in December twelfth when this was announced and here

(01:20:38):
we are still trying to make sense of it. So
if you're going to put this to the public and
to a referendum, what is that referendum going to look like?
And how are you going to make sure that everyone
who has the opportunity to vote on it has the
information that they need that they can weigh the balances.
And I'll be honest, Patty, we set for three four
days in the House of Assembly on this. It's it's

(01:21:01):
it was like a fire hoset being fire at you.
You're trying to trying to make sense of it. So
I that's you know, it's it's too important to deal.
We got to make sure we get it right. But
I just I really I'm Larry about Larry about turning
this into like like whether one party choose has the

(01:21:23):
best has the best answer. But I think together, as
in the House of Assembly, we can at least ask
the questions and figure out do we need to do
we even need to go with a new very person
panel or and and how we're going to answer the
questions when it comes to like when you talk about
global experts having the input. But anyway, it's it's my

(01:21:45):
frustration with the fact is that we do have this
important issue that can be discussed without holding up, without
holding up the works, but have that opportunity because again
I come down to it, it's got to make fiscal sense.
It's got to make financial sense. It's got to have
specific questions. It can't just simply well blue team now

(01:22:05):
gets the point. It's its members as panel and if
the NDP is in, we get the point. It's got
to make a sound financial economic sense going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Appreciate time, Jim, thank you, thank you, take care of
me too. By By I just get a break in,
don't go away, Welcome back to the show. It's called
line number one. Signore to the executive director at the
Aige Committee of New FLANDA Labrador. That's Gerard, you haven't
Good morning Gerards around the air. Good morning, Patty, and
here we are on World Age Day, some traveling numbers
coming from right across the country and in this province.

(01:22:36):
Give us an update. That's to the number of new
cases over the last couple of years.

Speaker 6 (01:22:41):
Well, Patty, over the we've definitely seen a spike in
new cases compared to pre pandemic rates. We saw nineteen
new cases in twenty twenty three and eleven new cases
in twenty twenty four, compared to five to nine cases
pre pandemic.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Do we have a breakdown age, gender, those sorts of things.

Speaker 6 (01:23:07):
No, No, we don't actually have a breakdown in age.
We only have a breakdown in the numbers themselves. However,
one of the I guess, one of the data collection
that we do have is that this is primarily heterosexual transmission.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Is that right? I mean, because remember when HIV AIDS
was first part of the public conversation. You know, even
the President of United States Ron Record called it a
gay cancer. Now we know full well that spreads amongst
the entirety of the community.

Speaker 6 (01:23:45):
Oh absolutely, I mean, we've known that for the last
ten to fifteen years, but it has never really translated
out there into the public, which is unfortunate because I
think that's one of the reasons, you know, like we
see here in the workplace that a lot of people
think that HIV has gone away, that it really doesn't exist,

(01:24:08):
and people are more focused on other sexually transmitted diseases,
and mainly because the treatment for HIV certainly has excelled
over the past ten years and people living with HIV
are living long, long lives.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's probably very much in
tune with the reality is when people know it can
be treated, it does lead to the potential for more
high risk behavior. So can we talk about what might
be driving some of this? You know, I've heard people
talk about substance abuse and then bad decision making, and
then it's the unprotected sex, and then it's high risk
behaviors because you think something could be treated. So can

(01:24:50):
you help elaborate on your thoughts about why we see
a certain spike care.

Speaker 6 (01:24:56):
Well, you know, I think there's a number of things
really uh contributing. You know, when we look at the
national research and the international research, you know, we we
are seeing that health inequities is certainly playing a major
role in the transmission of sexually transmitted diseases. You know,

(01:25:19):
we're dealing with the highest amount of homelessness that we've
ever dealt with. We have boon inequity, we have extreme
poverty within within our communities. And I think all of
these health inequities certainly contribute to poor decision making and
the lack of access to you know, to education. Certainly,

(01:25:45):
one of the things that that we have you know,
been talking about for the last the last ten years
is the lack of education.

Speaker 5 (01:25:53):
Within our schools.

Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
And you know, we are really due for a robust
sexual health program within our school system.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
And I know funding has been slashed dramatically across the
country for prevention programs.

Speaker 8 (01:26:07):
Yes, and you know, not only for.

Speaker 6 (01:26:12):
Canadian programs, but also for international programs. You know, I
think we're going back to that thought that you know,
it won't affect us when we see that the money
were drawn from from you from un AIDS and the
and the Global AIDS Fund, and we're you know, we're
seeing millions of people being affected by by HIV in

(01:26:36):
third world countries. That all translates we're a moving world,
and I think we're somewhat going back to where we
were in the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties when when
we were fighting this so thinking oh, no, it will
never come to Newfoundland, we're too isolated. But you know,

(01:26:56):
I think we need to learn from our history and
really look at some robust programming. We The other thing
that that we are seeing, particularly in Newfoudland is a
lack of access to testing. You know, outside of the overpass,
there's very few pathways to testing, as we found out

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through our syphilis campaign that we did back in August
and September. So you know, really we we really need
to look at the holes the entire health system, you know,
from community programming to prevention education and then to testing,
treatment and support.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Do we have an understanding of a possible breakdown between
transmission spread with regarding unprotected sex versus things like sharing
contaminated needles.

Speaker 6 (01:27:50):
No, we don't. We don't have that that type of breakdown.
And basically because you know, testing is confidential and and
certainly we don't ask people, you know, how did you
how did you get this disease or how did you
pick up how did you pick up HIV? Or any
other sexually transmit disease. Really, that's that's not that's not

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information that is gathered in the testing process.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
The only reason I ask is, I understand these are
privacy concerns, but even for instance, if there was renewed
funding for prevention programs and aware education, awareness is to
know that it's not just about unprotected sex. So that's
the only reason I ass So that you know, you
could highlight different risk of transmission and risky behaviors and
the contributions of a bunch of different things, including substance abuse,

(01:28:39):
what have you. That's I think that's where I was
going with that. Torte.

Speaker 6 (01:28:43):
Yeah, I mean, no, you're right in that. But we
do know that all of these factors are playing a role.
And certainly, you know, we know that the drug crisis
has fueled the spread of best tvbi is right throughout country,
and certainly that is the case here in Newfoland as well.

(01:29:05):
But likewise, Annie, totally, we're seeing we're seeing people testing
positive from all of the populations that we're that we're
referring to. Certainly, yes, there's transmission within the drug using community.
There's the thing that is standing out with all of
this is that the the spread up HIV among heterosexual

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folks is what we are noticing not only in New Poland,
but we are we are seeing that right across Canada,
which basically comes back to the fact that I think,
you know, you barely hear evades anymore because people are
not dying quickly. So a lot of people thinks that

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HIV is cured. And we also know that we do
have a cure for hepatitis C, and a lot of
folks are translating secure for Hepatitis C into that AIDS
has been cured, which is certainly not the fact. So
you know, we need a lot of public education back
out there, and you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Mentioned testing and it's hard to come by. So what's
happening today between ten and two.

Speaker 6 (01:30:17):
So to today, the AIDS Committee of Newfland and Larbrador
has partnered with one of our ongoing partners, Thrive, to
hold the World World Aid AIDS event at the Lantern
on Burns Road in Saint John's. So basically, during the
day people will have the opportunity to come into the

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lantern look at resources from many community based organizations are
partners in this. Within the city, we have a community
art project done in partnership with the Queer Craft Club.
We have sexually transmitted blood born infection testing which has
been provided by new Land Health Services Harm Reduction Nursing Team.

(01:31:00):
So anybody who would like to have an HIV test
confidentially certainly can attend and do that today as well
as there will be free pizza and snacks. So basically
the event is open to everyone. Come to remember somebody
that you've lost, come to get strength in your HIV journey,

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come to get tested for stbbi's, or just come for
pizza and a little bit of education.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
I appreciate the time, Dared, thanks for doing it. Okay,
thank you, Patty, You're welcome. By Bye Greedy, my executive
director at the AIDS Committee. Let's get a break for
the news. Don't go away. You were listening to a
rebroadcast of VOCM Open Line.

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Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number four.
Come on, Colin, you're on the air.

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
When he was to Bailey, how are you this not
too bad?

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
I suppose? How about you pretty good?

Speaker 11 (01:32:05):
Thanks. I'd like to talk about situation in the Caribbean
Sea has been on going out for several weeks involving
the United States military summarily executing people on the high seas.
It's Trump has given orders to on its face, it

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appears to be orders to summarily execute people who whom
he believes.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
Are threats to the United States.

Speaker 11 (01:32:37):
That these fast boats, fast marine craft are drug runners,
and he believes that they are a threat to the
United States national security. So he's ordered the US military
to attack these vessels.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
You know, yeah, so I mean, if they have that
level of intelligence, you know, you could track that boat
all the way to American waters, you could border buy
the military, arrest everybody on destroy all the drugs. Number one. Secondly,
what's also an interesting development is the United Kingdom and
others have stopped sharing intelligence about what's happening in the

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Caribbean and bordering countries because of this. Which is that
that's not me saying it's that's the international intelligence community.
But I think the one that's getting a lot of
the key focus here now is whether or not there
was an actual spoken directive from Secretary Hensith to the
military to go back and destroy the boat where there
were still some people who had survived the initial strike.

(01:33:36):
And it doesn't matter if you're a Republican or Democrat
or whoever you is supporting this world. Those rules of
engagement have been settled by the Geneva Convention to which
all these countries have signed down to absolutely correct.

Speaker 11 (01:33:47):
And if it's a state of war on it's face,
that would appear to be a war crime. And if
it's not a declared state of war by the United States,
that would fall on their civilian murder statutes. So either way,
it's either a war crime or it's potentially a first
degree or second to be a murder. You cannot just

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people who are in the water after an attack like that,
holding on to the wreckage of the boat. They're clearly
not a threat to anyone.

Speaker 5 (01:34:15):
And to order.

Speaker 11 (01:34:16):
If it is the case that you state that Heckset
ordered a return engagement by the United States military to
go back and kill those people who are in the
water they're sitting ducks, that's a murder on top of that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
And again, this is not about political strife. This is
about rules of engagement. As per the Geneva Convention, it
goes out to say, not only can you go back
and target wounded quote unquote participants, but you're also obliged
to apprehend them and offer care. You can't just notice
that they survived the initial strike and then just turn
them back on them and just let them drown. That's

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also part of what the United States has agreed to
with the Geneva Convention. So it's complicated stuff. Do I
know what heck Sith said or did not say? Of
course I don't. But you know who initially reported this,
The Washington Post, So I mean, Jeff Bezos has proven
to be very very friendly of the Republican parady, very
friendly to Donald Trump, and so if the Washington Post

(01:35:09):
is reporting it, then I think that adds another layer
of complexity to this one. Absolutely.

Speaker 11 (01:35:14):
And I was looking at some of the Sunday morning
television talk shows yesterday in the United States, and some
of the people who are privy too classified information on
this file have stated publicly on television broadcasts yesterday that
they see no evidence based on those classified briefings, that
they see no evidence of any wrongdoing legal or otherwise

(01:35:38):
by these craft, So what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
You know, I don't know. There's a fellow named Mike
Turner who's a Republican, the former chair of the Intelligence Committee.
He's gone on to say very clearly that if this happened,
it is an illegal act. So what do you need
here is that they've got intelligence committees and Armed Services
committees and ways to get down to the bottom of
the US There are mechanisms available. Whether or not they

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are availed of remains a question.

Speaker 5 (01:36:06):
Absolutely.

Speaker 11 (01:36:06):
And you know, with respect to the military and the
legal branch of the military, the judge Advocate General, Trump
has either fired or stripped a lot of these top
military officers in the in the legal Affairs unit. They're
the JAG of their of their authorizations. A lot of
these people have been fired or demoted or just resigned.

(01:36:28):
So he's you know, he's done the parts of the
top legal people in the JAG in the United States,
and you know, he's replaced them with people who who
apparently are You're just going to do his bidding and
that that's very scary and I find that very concerning
Trump is you know, he has no regard for international

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law and borders. He views the Canada the US border
as an artificial line. Those are his words, not mine.
So what's next. Today it's Venezuela. He deeds Venezuela be
to be a threat to the nasal security of the
United States. Tomorrow he might be in Canada to be
a threat to the national security of the United States.
So what's he gonna do. IS's gonna sayd Navy Seal
Team six across the Detroit River in the Windsor, Ontario

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to invade US.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Well, and I think there's some contradictory things ongoing here.
Number one, if it's all about drugs, and you know,
people say that if you're opposed to this, that you're
supporting narco terrorists, which is just come on, right. So
at the exact same time, former Hon Duram president convicted
of leading a narco state a cartel trafficking in four

(01:37:36):
hundred tons of cocaine, sentenced to forty five years by
a jury, gets a full pardon. I mean, he's running
a cartel, as says the courts, forty five years in prison,
no sentence commuted, pardon granted. So what is this about?
I think there's also question that we asked about the
timing of the presspool being obliterated at the Pentagon and

(01:37:57):
then when these strikes started, so and again when it
gets reported by the Washington Post. If this was some
sort of quote unquote left leaning entity that was trying
to stir the waters or chum the waters, then people
would point that out. But the wappo, I don't know.
It certainly adds to the conversation. But again, if you're
going to offer parents to drug runners, which includes what's

(01:38:19):
his name, Jao who's involved in money laundering to traffickers
and other criminals and terrorist organizations, Russ Albruck, who was
the founder of Silk Road. You know, they generated a
couple hundred million dollars in sales, but selling things like
cocaine and heroin on the black market, on the dark web.
So what is this about? Is it about oil? Is
that all it's about? Is it about optics of tough
on crime? Is it about optics on tough on people

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coming from Central America?

Speaker 5 (01:38:44):
You pick?

Speaker 11 (01:38:45):
You know, it's chumplished us the flavor of the day.
He's just run that government down there. Whoever whispers in
his ear, whoever is the latest person to whisper in
his ear. You know, there was a shooting of two
National Guards people a week in DC, allegedly by an
Afghan national, a person who immigrated to the United States.

(01:39:06):
So now he's banning all immigration from Afghanistan and the
potentially other third world countries. You know, this is just
needs a reaction to the news cycle, and that's no
way to run a country.

Speaker 5 (01:39:20):
And now he's.

Speaker 11 (01:39:23):
Declared that the airspace over Venezuela should be considered closed.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
Of which he has no authority.

Speaker 11 (01:39:31):
Well he doesn't, but you know, the authority means nothing
to him. He's going to do whatever the hell he wants.
So is that like a prelude now to an all
out invasion.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
I don't know. He says he spoke with Madoro the
other day or whatever it was. Yeah, but the States
are not signatories to the United Nations Convention of the
Law to see. So the US military has in the
past said that they should indeed abide by in a
manner consistent with those provisions therein, but they are not
signed down, but they are signal towards to the Geneva Convention.

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So it's wild story. I don't necessarily have the brain
space to follow it as closely as maybe I once did,
and by that I mean American politics. But it is
wild and how there's still people in the country that
which they were Americans versus Canadians. I just don't quite
get it. Maybe it's the cruelty, maybe it's the racism,
like I don't know, but it's just madness. What's happened

(01:40:24):
in that country and we're the furthest thing from the
finish line here there's three more years of who knows
what to come.

Speaker 11 (01:40:32):
Yeah, it's a sad commentary on the rule of law
in the United States and the immunity decision from the
US Supreme Court there a couple of years ago that
basically the president and is immune from criminal prosecution for
anything that he orders while he's in office. So he
could do something that he could order the murder of
people like allegedly might be done here, and he can't

(01:40:54):
be faced any criminal prosecution. But Higsaid can and all
the other people down to change command at the Department
of Defense.

Speaker 5 (01:41:00):
But he gets a free passed. Nobody's about the rule
of law.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
Right, even though he's threatening to have Joe Biden charged
with perjury, even though he's the man who went for
the immunity rule at the Supreme Court. It's also disconcerting
and disconnected and unbelievable. I appreciate the time calling anything else.

Speaker 11 (01:41:18):
Merry Christmas to you, sir, and your family, and everybody
at the OCM and everybody out there listening to my voice.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
You take good care. Sure byebye, add merey Christmas to you.
Let's get a break here when we come back, we're
talking early childhood learning. Don't go away. Welcome back to
the show. Let's go to line number two, Audrey around
the air.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
How are you doing? Okay? How about you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
Do it?

Speaker 8 (01:41:40):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
Thanks.

Speaker 8 (01:41:42):
I'm calling in this morning, Patty, to just highlight a
few things that have been my experience over the past
couple of months when it comes to the regulatory process
for child care services in the province. So, there is
a Canada wide early learning childcare program that's been in
place since twenty twenty one, well actually prior to twenty one,

(01:42:05):
but we have an agreement to place right now from
twenty one that is supposed to carry us up to
twenty twenty six. And under that program, that is a
federal program connected to the province, there would be funding
available to provide regulated childcare spaces in the province. Part

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of that mandate is for family childcare homes to be
incorporated into that program. So part of my experience over
the past six months has been looking into trying to
provide a regulated childcare service in my area, which is
Saint Mary's Bay, about an hour and fifteen twenty minutes
outside the city, so we fall under rural district. And

(01:42:52):
I've come up against many roadblocks over the past three
to four months, for sure, and part of that is
I'm being told that there is no longer monies around
to support the approval of family childcare in this area.
So I have many questions, one of which is what

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happened to the dollars that was supposed to carry us
to twenty twenty six. And the other question, or the
biggest question I have is where does that leave the
families in my area that cannot available regulated child care service.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Excellent questions. So in the most recent federal budget, now
these are multilateral agreements, and the initial bit of money
that came in is very much like school launch, and
then the control and the responsibility was falling primarily to
the provinces and territories. So is that where we are
now that this is a provincial question or does this
remain a federal question?

Speaker 8 (01:43:48):
No, at this point in time, I believe it's a
provincial question. Thank You're right, I mean, you know, yeah,
there's negotiations happening, I'm sure across the federal connections about
where we go from here and where we go after
twenty twenty five. But right now, in the timeframe that
we exist in, I think it's very much a provincial
question about why is it that we're in a time

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and space when families cannot avail of this program that
we've signed on for at least till twenty twenty six,
and you know where does that leave us. We have
had conversations over the past couple of years about the
crisis of childcare.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
We know that not all.

Speaker 8 (01:44:26):
Families are able to access the ten dollars a day program,
which is our affordability piece under that program, but I'm
looking at it from an accessibility piece as well. There
are two center based childcare centers about forty five minutes
away from me, one in holy Rood, one in Whitburn.
So at that level, those childcare centers operate for mostly

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children to and over, and that leaves families with infants,
which are usually your biggest call because their moms returning
maternity leave with no regulated felth care availability, accessibility. And
you know, again that brings me to the next piece
of that Canada wide early learning program about quality.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
What quality of care do families have to look forward
to If they can't access a ten dollar a day
program or regulated childcare service, then where does that leave them?

Speaker 8 (01:45:22):
Where does that leave them? In attaching to the labor market, economics,
the whole you know, we could go round and round
about where that leaves families. So at this point in time,
I'd really like.

Speaker 9 (01:45:33):
To know what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
It's a good question and the basic answer to where
does it leave the families high and dry? Unfortunately, so
we think, you know, had some benefits conversations for early
childhood educators. We've talked about, you know, access and affordability.
But until until you have some support to actually start
up regulated or unregulated childcare space, then what then? I mean,

(01:45:56):
there is provisions because this is all based on Kindi's
Treasury board, but there were visions for the provinces for
any unexpended funds. I think is how you put it,
is the province retained the responsibility to carry over up
to thirty percent of that money. There's no way we've
exhausted all of our political contribution here or our political allotment,
given the fact that we've had conversation with people who,

(01:46:17):
for instance, this one guy who had a setup for
childcare in the city Saint John's was trying to expand
I believe it was into Caligarus and was jumping through
hoop after hoop after hoop after He's a well understood
and established regulated daycare, early chi early child education provider.
So I'll get an update on this one argie as
to where exactly that money is or where it might

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be coming from and when.

Speaker 8 (01:46:40):
Yeah, and that would be great. I mean, you know,
I'm not the only person I recognized that. I know,
I've had conversations over the past in a while with
many who are in the same predicament. I guess I
come at it from an angle of part of that agreement.
In the very introductory statement on the website says that
it was for rural childcare, and there's not a rural
childcare in my area for forty five minutes on either

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side of me, and neither one of them offer infant
regular with childcare, so basically there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
Well, community are you calling from, Audrey.

Speaker 8 (01:47:12):
I'm in Harricott, Saint Mary's Day.

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
Okay, yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:47:16):
I appreciate that, Patty. You know, there's been a lot
I've done a lot of digging. I've had a lot
of conversations, and you know, I'm up against the roadblock
at this point to proceed any further. So I would
really like to know, you know, if there's any next
steps or you know, where things sit right now, what
are we looking for for the future.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
It's an excellent question. You know, it becomes somewhat problematic
here where we still feel like or it seems like
we're in this transition phase. But that doesn't mean that
senior bureaucrats don't remain, whether it be a patron of
income security, social development, or education, or whatever the case
we be. So I'll try to get an answer as
soon as possible.

Speaker 8 (01:47:56):
Perfect. I appreciate that, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
I appreciate her. Carl, thanks, Audrey, all right, bye bye.
I mean everything about affordable, accessible childcare makes sense, and
you know, I try to stop calling it daycare because
we really need more early childhood education as part of that.
Ninety percent of your brain is developed by the time
you're five, so getting it right. And study after study
after a study shows the absolute benefit and academic outcomes,

(01:48:21):
whether they measured at grade three, grade six, grade nine,
grade twelve, if you've had junior kindergarten for four year olds,
and or quality early childhood education. So kind of in
our collective best interest. And you know, we got the
affordability hit, but we don't have accessibility hit, and people say,
look to have kids, you should just you know, should

(01:48:41):
be on your time, no support from taxpayers. But again,
report after report shows the overall and across the board
economic benefit for if and when people can get affordable,
accessible childcare. Let's get a break in for the news.
Let me come back. The topic entirely up to you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
Go away the Tim Power Show during the conversation weekday
afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
Welcome back to the show, and asked why downplay the
good economic news shared last week by Stats Canada for
the third quarter. I'm so sure that's what I did.
But let's get into the numbers, and I guess I
have to justify what I said. So we saw that
the Canadian economy grew an annualized rate of two point
six percent in the third quarter. All right, they point

(01:49:27):
to some of the primary inputs that saw that annualized
growth rate a two point six percent. Primarily they talked
about defense spending. There was an uptick in the amount
of crude oil exports as well, So those couple of things,
you know, on the pathway to five percent of GDP
by twenty thirty five, we will indeed see GDP impact

(01:49:48):
on defense spending. But some of the key measures here
are pretty flat. Private sector investment is absolutely flat. So
you know, we can talk about housing starts and defense spending.
I mean, government will indeed see a GDP growth because
of defense spending commitments, and some of that is kind
of smoke and mirrors too, right, is all the aviation

(01:50:09):
services that transport Canada are now part of the military.
All of the services of the Coastguard are now part
of the military. So yeah, the main contributing factor was
defense spending. But I think if you look at the
private sector or business investment, I guess is the best
way to put it. That's a pretty keen measure about
where we are and the economy is weak. It just

(01:50:30):
absolutely is. If you look at just September as a month,
GDP grew by zero point two percent on a monthly basis.
And the whole bit about you know, hearing from people
to talk about avoiding a technical recession. You know, if
you have back to back quarters of negative growth, then
of course you fall into a recession technically speaking, But

(01:50:52):
being bogged down with that actual technical definition does really
very little to change whether or not the economy is growing,
whether or not the economy is weak, and at this
moment in time, it's weak. So it's not pooh pooing anything.
That's just sort of the facts of the matter here.
Now the forecast into the future might look a little
bit strong. Oh on that front, when the second quarter

(01:51:13):
GDP revisions came from one point six percent to client
from one point eight percent, we're told and makes a
lot of sense, is that there's a lot of data
that's not included because of the government shutdown in the
United States, which may indeed see a more significant revision
of those particular numbers into the future. So that's the
numbers from Stats Canada, and you know Stats Canada has

(01:51:36):
proven to be a pretty reliable organization. I don't think
it's fair to say that they've been leaning one way
or another. It's basically data compilation and public disclosure of
whatever data they were able to compile. So that was
the numbers. I don't know if that's poo pooing anything.
That's just sort of exactly what the numbers have actually said.
All right, and into or back to the early childhood

(01:51:58):
education conversation, and I knew coming. God, I've been sitting
in this chair a long time, so I can kind
of predict some emails, and it's exactly that is, if
you have children, they're your responsibility. That's true. I mean,
no one's saying that's not the case. But if we
look at the overall and the overarching realities of the
impact economically and societaly for affordable accessible childcare, it's pretty clear.

(01:52:22):
I don't have kids that need childcare. My boys are
in their twenties, so I don't have any direct personal
investment in federal government policy about affordable accessible childcare. But
the studies have been pretty clear. I mean, I hate
to go back to the Province of Quebec and we
can talk about Quebec implications on other fronts, But they
were the first province in the country to take on

(01:52:43):
and tackle affordable, accessible childcare and they did it with
great success. So what they saw is they were able
to actually measure GDP growth to things like childcare. Why
because women primarily were able to get back in the
workforce sooner than consequently they held their position at their firm.
They were part of increasing wages based on yours of service.

(01:53:05):
And of course when you make more, you spend more,
because the economy is not the government. The economy is
me and you and how on where we spend their money,
So that was part of it. Secondly, how many families
that you even know in your social circles are trying
to figure out who's got to take vacation time, who's
got to stay home, who's got to take a long
term leave of absence because they have nowhere for their

(01:53:26):
children to go. And that's not just as infants, that's
into the ages of two three toddlers. So again, if
you take people out of the workforce, the tax base shrinks,
you have less disposable moneies and consequently you spend less,
I suppose, unless you jack up your credit cards, and
household dead is at an all time hind in this country.
So people getting back to work is good for all

(01:53:48):
of us, regardless of you have any children, and not
everyone has a nan or a pop to go to
for the provision of daycare, because in that setting it
pretty much is daycare. Now, some NaNs and pops way
to everything under the sun to read with their grandchildren
and other things that are part of early childhood education.
So it's one thing for the tax base and GDP,
it's another for children. Again, don't take it for me.

(01:54:11):
He take it from reports that have been done over
the years with consistently and constantly the same outcomes here,
the better we do in early childhood education, which includes
pre k or junior kindergarten, is best for the child
into the future. It's not about just learning how to
socialize and how to understand sharing and how to understand
no and some adherence to rules. It has an academic

(01:54:34):
outcome impact. Academic scores and outcomes for children who are
part of early childhood education and specifically pre kindergarten did
well or part of we did better in school when
compared to those who did not have access to junior
kindergarten or pre K, and as David Philpott, formerly a
professor of Amorley University doing a lot of work on

(01:54:55):
that front, is say two birds with one stone kind
of conversation. If we can expand the junior kindergarten or
pre K conversation to schools as many schools as possible
given on space restrictions and staffing or what have you,
the further we can spread that program comes with two
positive outcomes. The kids are likely to do better in school.

(01:55:17):
And secondly, you take all or the majority of four
year olds out of the early childhood education system or
the daycare system, you free up all those additional spaces
for infants. So there's a lot of good can come
from it, and you talk about the level of investment
required when compared to positive outcomes. It's just the right
thing to do. It just has been, and no report

(01:55:40):
that I've ever seen has pointed to any of the
downsides of making sure we get it right on affordability
and accessibility. So Audrey's questioned about where we are provincially
about access to funding to get some of these regulated
childcare spaces up and running and in her case out
in Samry's space. She lives in Harricutt. Probably a very
good idea and a good question which we will try

(01:56:01):
to get to the bottom of. Let's take our final
break of the morning. When we come back, let's talk
with you if you're in and around town seven zero
nine two seven three five two one one elsewhere. A
total free long distance one eighty eight eight five night
y VOCM, which is eighty six twenty six. We're taking
a break and then we're coming back. Welcome back to
the show. Another segment on clarification. So I spoke to
the fact of the medical assistance and dying conversation that

(01:56:23):
happens across the country. It's an important one to have.
So I'm not so sure how people will hear what
I say. But in twenty twenty four, over sixteen thousand
people a veil of medical assistants and dying, So that's
five percent of all deaths reported in the country. And
the conversation is not about whether or not it's a
good thing. I said. Try to summarize what I said.

(01:56:46):
Is the problem for me is how it's been offered sometimes.
So we've heard stories from veterans affairs, we've heard stories
from veterans themselves. I've made specific mention of a couple
of ladies in Manitoba who we eventually got medical assistance
in time as opposed to some of the additional supports,
they needed to stay in their own home to manage
their symptoms, to manage their pain into the future. But

(01:57:09):
MADE was the option offered now the process in the country,
and it should be abided by for starters. Made should
not be the first option offered to anybody regardless. So
here's how it's supposed to work, and it's incumbent on
people in the healthcare field to follow along with these guidelines.
In this process, first you have to initialize a conversation

(01:57:32):
with your doctor or your nurse practitioner, so you discuss
all your questions, you talk about other available options, not
just about MADE. It's just then the first conversation is
simply information gathering, it is not a formal request. Upon
that initial conversation with your doctor or nurse practitioner, then

(01:57:53):
you have to submit a formal written request for made.
At that time, that request must be some by independent witness,
so you're not just left of your own court. An
independent witness has to sign the written request. Also, importantly,
you can withdraw that request at any time, so that
request process on folds. Then you have to get two

(01:58:16):
independent assessments, so whether it be the two doctors or
nurse practitioners, they have to assess your eligibility. They have
to be independent of each other. They also have to
confirm that all the other criteria was met and all
other treatment options were considered and people were made aware
of the options. If you're not at the if you're

(01:58:36):
a part of me, if you're not nearing the end
of your life, one of the assessors has to be
a specialist in the condition that you're causing, that's causing
all your pain and suffering. So for instance, you're an oncologist.
If it is indeed a cancer diagnosis and blique prognosis,
then there's a procedure finishes off with a final consent,
So nothing takes place until you've given final informed consent

(01:59:00):
to receive made and that's just before the procedure takes place.
So it's a pretty lengthy, detailed process. So I know
why some people have concerns with it, but again I
can only speak for myself. If I'm facing certain death
and misery of pain, that is going to go unmanaged.
No cure, no treatment is going to prove effective. Period.

(01:59:22):
It's something that I think i'd have a conversation with
my family and my doctor about. And again that's only
for me, and inside that number of sixteen thousand plus
you can only hope that the process as detailed and
as lengthy as it is was followed every single time,
because that's the only way that even the concept of
MAIDE makes any sense to me. It's disheartening and informed,

(01:59:46):
disgraceful if you hear from a vet who executed his
or her duties as member of the Canadian Armed Forces,
and whatever their condition or ailment or disease might be,
if they go to veterans Affairs and one of the
first options offered is have you considered made That's unfair.
It's not what it's supposed to look like, it's not

(02:00:06):
supposed to work that way. But yet that's where we
find ourselves. So again, I'm not sure what I said
that might have ruffled the feathers one person or another,
but that's the actual facts of the matter, and we
can dig into it. And again lex moocus conversations the
most difficult conversations that have are probably the most important
ones to talk about, which led somebody into somehow make

(02:00:29):
it all the way to organ and tissue donation. I
really can't speak to any of the specifics on that front,
because I guess it depends on why you're suffering from
as to whether or not your organs or tissue are
actually harvedisable and can be used by another Canadian. But
the organ and tissue donation conversation, I try to bring
it up every now and then because I think it's important.

(02:00:49):
Thousands of pound thousands of Canadians remain on wait lists
for organs or tissue. It's a very personal decision. There
was a exercise undertaken in Ontario where they simply add
it to your tax return, just like if you tick
a box that says you want to get your HST
return is whether or not you want it to be
an organ donor or tissue donor. And they added a

(02:01:10):
huge number of people to their donor list simply by
adding it to the tax return system. So I think
that just makes sense. In this province, it used to
be all about your driver's license. It's not any longer.
It's go through MCP, make your wishes known. Then next
steps and important next steps, or speak with your family
to once again make your intentions known so there's no

(02:01:31):
confusion upon your death. Then it's the concept of opt
in versus opt out. Currently it's opt in if you
want to be an organ or tissue donor, you make
your wishes known, so you've opted into the program. Then
it's the concept of what happens if we change it
to you're automatically an organ or tissue donor and you
have to opt out if you have some personal concern

(02:01:54):
with it, or a religious concern with it, or you
just don't want to, then you opt out. We'd probably
go a long way to satisfying the wait list for
people who desperately are in need of an Oregon transplant
and or tissue transplant. So the thought there is, and
we're told by people who know way more about it
than me in the system here, we're simply not prepared
for opt out in this province. We don't have the resources,

(02:02:17):
we don't have a lot of things that are required
for opt out to be actually manageable in this province.
But let's get a final word this morning to go
to line number two. Elk's club president Matthew Moss Hi
and Matthew, you're on the air.

Speaker 12 (02:02:31):
Good morning, Patty, Morning to you.

Speaker 10 (02:02:35):
I wanted to let your listeners know that the sixtieth
annual Elks Club Christmas Raffle is on tonight running through
until Thursday evening.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
Had one of your faithful members, Rob Strong, on the
show talking about it last week as well, so hopefully
that can drum up some support with the whistle of
the folks out there about what kind of stuff you
can win at the Raffle.

Speaker 12 (02:02:58):
We've got pretty standard fare, a turkey for your Christmas table,
salt beef, Christmas biscuits, and some beverages, and we run
cash wheels as well, a fifty to fifty cash wheel.

Speaker 2 (02:03:16):
How successful has the Christmas Raffle been over the years, Matthew, Well, like.

Speaker 12 (02:03:23):
All things, a little up and down, but we put
close to ten thousand dollars back into charitable causes in
the community from year to year and we're hoping to
do that again this year.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
Who are the charities of choice this year?

Speaker 12 (02:03:40):
It's Home Again Furniture Bank, the mon Campus Food Bank
and the Single Parents Association of Newfoundland Labrador and also
Elks Canada's National charity, the Elks and Royal Purple Fund
for Children.

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
For very worthy charities. And you know, we see the
numbers at the Single Parents Are Sociation at Month's Food Bank.
This time last year they actually had to close temporarily
because they could not keep up with the demand. Order
they have the resources to actually help amongst the student community.
So good on you, Matthew. Anything else, I'll we have
you this morning.

Speaker 12 (02:04:14):
Well, yeah, the need is there, so I encourage folks
to come out and have fun helping us help others.

Speaker 2 (02:04:22):
Appreciate your time, keep up the good work. Thank you, sir,
You're welcome. Matthew. By bye. Matthew Moss the president at
the Elks Club, which of course is located on Carpatian
Road here in the city of Saint John's. They've been
going strong. But like a lot of outlets and service
organizations like the Elks and you can have whatever when
you want into the Kings and the Lions and the

(02:04:42):
Rotarians and whatnot. I can't speak for all of them, obviously,
but participation or enrollment in some of these service organizations
maybe isn't quite as strong as it once was. And
I think if you look at the average age around
the table. It's probably much higher than it has been
in years past. So if you're interested in the Christmas
raffle the Elks Club on Carpagian Road this evening, it

(02:05:04):
begins and runs right through Thursday, might be something to
peak your interest. Let's check it out on the Twitter
box for the final time of the morning. Or a
VOSM openline, you know what to do. You can follow
us there. Email address is open line at VOSM dot com.
My favorite when you join us live on the program,
and you'll have that opportunity tomorrow morning as we pick
up this conversation here on VOCM and Big Land of
FM's Open Line. I'm behalf of the producer David Williams.

(02:05:25):
I'm your host Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun,
happy day. We'll talk in the morning. How about

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