Monday, Nov 10th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line Call seven oh nine two
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not necessarily those of this station. The biggest conversation in
Newfoundland and Labrador starts now Here's VOCM Open Line Host

(00:22):
Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Monday, November
the tenth. This is Open Line. I'm your host, Patty Daily.
Bethvegan sitting in the producer's share today. You'll be speaking
with Beth when you pick up the phone of gifts
to call it get in Quan on the air. If
you're in the same John's metro region. The number of
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eight five ninety VOCIM, which is eighty six twenty six.
So let's check in on a couple of the big
hockey tournaments that were concluded over this past weekend, starting
with the World Under seventeen Challenge or the Under seventeen
World Challenge. I guess so Canada read which I had
two players from this province, ben Vich and Quinn Norman.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
They win.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
They took on Canada White in the final at six
to two victory four Red ben Vich actually potted one
in the empty net six to two victory. Congratulations to both.
Great experience and bring it back to the regiment. And
in the under eighteen women's Nationals, Team Atlantic with a
great run.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
The Ontario Red in.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
The semi final, facing Quebec in the final and came
up short three to one loss. With three skaters from
this province were part of Team Atlantic. That's a pretty
solid run for sure. All right. And you know, I
love sports and I don't do a whole lot of
sports betting. I get in a hockey pool and that's
really kind of about it. But sports is going to
cannibalize itself, professional sports and even I guess college sports

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when you talk about the NCUBLEA because of sports betting.
So in the nc double A, there's been some six
players arrested, been National Basketball Association players a arrested. There's
been a hockey player, Shane Pinto the Ottawa Centers caught
betting on sports is spending for six months.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
It just goes on and on and on.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
And now two Cleveland guiding pitchers have been indicted on
some very very serious charges conspiraccy to commit wire fraud,
conspiracy to influenced sports betting by bribery, money laundering, conspiracy,
and more so. These guys are multimillionaires, and it gets
down into the what they call a proposition bet. So
apparently they were tipping off the bookies or some gamblers

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to the pitch they were going to throw, and so
consequently betters made somewhere around four hundred thousand dollars. One
of the players or tees he's in custody manuel clause.
The other one not in custody at this moment in time,
butts Pro Sports.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
They did it to themselves.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
They put both feet under the covers with the betting groups,
whether it be online betting and or big boards in
Vegas or wherever the case may be, it's going to
come back to haunt them. The worst case scenario is,
remember when we were growing up, boxing was the big
betting sport. I talked about the influence of outcomes and
fights being rigged. It's not going to be long before
even the most hearty sports fan is going to question

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the results of one game, one shot, one possession or
another because of these endless stories. So I don't know
what we do about it. And I was talking to
Little the Swain in the newsroom about it this morning.
She was wondering if I knew of a guest we
could talk about the academics behind sports gambling. And in
this country it got completely out of hand when they
legalized single game betting. But anyway, it's not the biggest
deal in the world, but it's just going to get

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worse in so far as the athletes evolved in the
different professional sports organizations. All right, Moore, and nasty weather
coming overnight into tomorrow, and I'll leave it up to
you to check out the weather forecast for where you live.
But a couple of interesting notes on that front. You know,
last week we're talking about the breakwater in Chapaszi that's
damaged once again. And now apparently there's an eight million

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dollar announcement to fund a new breakwater in Petty Harbor,
currently built the timber Now they're going to use masonstone,
as that what it's called. Anyway, one thing I do
know is that we've got to build these breakwaters vastly
different than in the past, like just building with timber
and putting a few six by six rounds or some
behind it, thinking that's going to withstand the sea surge
and the winds that we're experiencing recently and now more commonly,

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more frequently. So it's a solid investor for Petty Harbor.
They've been looking for this money for a couple of decades,
per sure. Then when asked about it, Tom Osborne, Minister
of Parliament for Cape Spears, said, basically Petty Harbor got
this injection of money because they've been looking for for
so long, versus the folks at capacity who also need
something desperately to protect their shoreline in their community. I mean,

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the war from Petty Harbor is a few storms away
from being wiped out. So very good news were building
for to last and withstand what we see obviously the
most important part of this conversation. And then I get
questions all the time about the MSc Baltic three. Of
course ran a ground cedar golf near Lark Harbor last
February or in February, so the questions were, I wonder

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what the status is of that vessel that's still aground,
not going to be removed until the summer. There's still
some fuel on board, and now apparently because of the
high winds and the sea, it's been damaged. They see
debris floating in the water coming onshore. You wonder if
it will withstand the winter and the pending storms, whatever
they might look like, how severe they may be. But

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that damage apparently is very real and being monitored. But
at this point, between salvage and some cleanup, nothing else
could be done. It's that top of year now where
there will be no action on that until something devastating
possibly happens into the future. But whether a big part
of the conversation, of course, and obviously all right, and
in the world of wind, so I'm not surprised to

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hear from some of the folks who have been looking
at these onshore wind proposals and fighting back, and they've
been very vocal in doing so.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
And now they're back in the news.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
They're talking about some of these long standing organizations that
are not speaking out about the onshore wind proposals, and
they mention them specifically. You're going to read the story.
So it's not like I'm letting the cat out of
the bag. So whether it be the Atlantic Salmon Federation
or Hospitality, New Flannel.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Line or other groups.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
And apparently the Hospitality has responded as of yet apparently so.
But inside those other aforementioned organizations is they don't really
have a position on us, which is interesting because the
concerns are obvious when we talk about environmental damage and
or protection of wildlife, whether it be wildlife on the
ground or in the air, that kind of gets lost

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to shuffle. We do know that turbines pose a risk
to birds, of course they do. But one of the
species at risk as well, potentially and how devastatingly I'm
not sure, but's bats. You know, we don't hear about
the bat population very often, but that should be part
of it. They talk about protecting birds and bats from

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the turbines by painting one of the three turbine blades black,
as opposed to simply having all three white and then
presents just a whir and a blur. In addition to that,
you know, the complete structural failure catastrophic failure is not common,
as much as people try to convince me it is.
It's not. But what kind of wind can these structures endure?

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So they do have some automatic shut offs, which is
generally speaking around ninety to one hundred kilometers per hour.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
And it's funny thing, Hey, wind turbine. We're talking about.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Having sustained winds for sustained generation of electricity, but it
could be too windy. And there are parts of this
island and up in the Labrador which are absolutely fierce winds.
So what happens with the automatic shutdown. Of course, the
stalls the production of energy. It can Indeed, there's the
possibility for overspeed failure and for mechanical stress and maybe

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jeopardizing the lifespan of these turbines and their blades.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yes, there could be structural damage.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yes, there can be catastrophic failure, and we've seen some
examples of it. But it's curious that the folks who
are talking about protect n L. So whether you brand
the Kitchen or anybody else who's been fighting what they'll
call the good fight on that front, they're welcome to
join us here. But that conversation just went completely silent,
including on the most recent campaign. If there was any

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conversation about these proposals, I must have missed it in
so far as politicians speaking to it. So anyway, it's
still a topic there. We're willing to talk about it
on this program if you're so inclined. And on that front,
you know, regardless of the source of energy, whether it
be hy drover or fossil fuels, or wind on shore
or offshore, solar or whatever is, I'm still struggling to

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understand the quest to be an artificial intelligence superpower or
powerhouse here in Canada and potentially here in this province.
I hear lint to speaking with the Conference Board of
Canada about their genuine, legitimate concerns now in the world
of artificial intelligence and some advancements that can be made
in healthcare, whether it be with breast cancer screening or

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whatever the case may be. Obviously some realistic, real life
upside to artificial intelligence and the speed with which it
can analyze data. But just think about the amount of
AI that would be used simply in the palm of
my own hand to create some little ninety second video.
It's remarkable and in many forms it's obscene. So when

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you look at what would be the source of the power,
whether it be wind or otherwise, and many of these
artificial intelligence companies there look to the quote unquote renewables
as part of the social license to move forward with
their projects. But between the amount of power and the
amount of water, are we not having a legitimate concern
voice on that front. I mean, just think about the
concepts of what we saw this past summer, whether it

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be drought, reservoirs drawing up in full. Now, of course
it will rely on the source of the water for
these the cooling of these massive data centers. But I'm
failing to see the big economic upside. People talk about
an elaborador expansion at the Upper Churchill, the development of.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Gall and what have you. Look, if you're.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Talking about cost benefit analysis of money in versus jobs created,
expansion of the taxpace, expansion of the royalties flowing to
the provincial government, anything in the critical mineral sector far
out weighs anything in the artificial intelligence sector. I know
people disagree with me, and that's fine, but I don't
think we're having much in the way of conversation there.
It's all bad enough in academics where we're going to

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see a distinct risk to critical thinking with more and
more people taking the easy way out here, you know,
putting their concept or their essay requests or their song
or their poem or what have you, into a large
language model like chat gipt, which spits out the results
in a heartbeat, versus the effort required to think, to research,
to write to understand. So it's all bad enough on

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that front, and then the deep fakes and all the
rest that we're seeing pollute our social media feeds.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
But anyway, if you want to talk about it, we
can do it.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
All right, and we won't be seeing much in the
way of attention publicly in the form of opening the
House of Assembly until all the requests for judicial recounts
have been completed.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
You know the deal.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Three liberals that lost their seats in plus West, Bellvue,
Tops of Paradise and lewis portweinligate are challenging and are
asking for it to.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Be challenged in court.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
All right, So inside of one Derek Benet, he lost
his seat by eighteen votes, which is not inside the
ten vote threshold for triggering an automatic recount, but close enough.
The other two sixty four vote margins, the other one
one hundred and two vote margin seems unlikely they're going
to be overturned. So it's easy enough to be of
two minds. Here number one, people will call it away

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to the court's time. But at the exact same time,
we already have a growing skepticism about the integrity and
the results of elections. So it's probably in the big
scheme of things, a good idea to ensure that what
needs to be done so that people take some comfort
in that all of the rocks were returned, make sure
the results were accurate and fair. All that's being said.

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They're going to hear the arguments on Wednesday, but it
could take to the end of the month before its
concluded in full and even Justice Power himself says that's
a very ambitious timeline. So between then and now there
will not be any formal action on the people's business
because Premier Waken I say quite clearly, until all of

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this has been resolved and all members are sworn in
and the results have been potentially adjudicated by a judge,
then there will be no attention to what's going on
inside the Hospit Assembly, which again easy to be up
two minds, protection of the integrity of the election versus
getting down the brass tax and going to work and
see what we can do. Because there's a lot to

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consider anyway, your thoughts still here, very little on the telephone,
but plenty of my email inbox about the frustration, the despair,
the anger and the worry when we talk about wildfire
season and recovery and rebuilding. You know, add to it
the additional frustration of people who would raise the red

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flag at signal the warnings that there's an arsonist.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
In the area.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
I don't know if an arsonist is responsible for the
eventual Kingston fire that destroyed some two hundred structures the
Adams called fire, which saw twelve homes lost to fire.
But it would be nice if all level of was
the government. So there's been a task for us or
a committee struck here, all communities represented here on the
provincial front. But even just when we talk about where

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to rebuild, how to rebuild and how it will be
funded or financed, people say, well, if you don't have
your own own insurance, too bad for you. Well that
could be the case, but the governments have already said
that they would be there. And if they have said that,
which they have, then it's about time we figured out
clear understanding of what's next steps here because we can

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talk about it. The RCMP investigation we can talk about
people's want to remain in their community. We can talk
about whether or not we're going to rebuild the school
lost in Western Bay Capital Academy. IM pretty sure it's called,
so we can absolutely take that on if you're so
in client, all right, surprised to see this story this
morning in some part with all the talk of a

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massive increase in defense spending, all of a sudden, there's
layoffs at five Wing Goose Bay. So a private company
called Circle they actually manage the five Wing Goose and
five positions gone, including a customer service manager, mechanics supply
operative workforce planner, and an HR coordinator as part of
what they call their efficiency review. It doesn't necessarily jive

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with all the nora AD money that we saw pledge
to five Wing Goose, with all of the increase in
defense spending, which would absolutely include bases in the North
in particular. And you know, people will go on to
say the management of these defense installations in the hands
of private companies doesn't necessarily make a whole lot of
sense in the first place. So add that to all

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of this massive amount of money to be spent on
defense on the way to five percent of GDP adds
up to about one hundred and fifty billion dollars a year,
but layoffs at five wing goose. So if anyone representing
the Union of National Defense Employees would like to command
on this program, and as they said in their release,
to denounce the layoffs, we can have dude, all right,
couple of quick ones before we get to you.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
All right.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
So I try to take a break from social media
over the weekend for obvious reasons. But look, we are
emotional beings, we are, But it really feels like emotions
rule the roost and a lot of maybe some careful
consideration or additional thinking has been lost on some of
these topics.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Which are heart wrenching.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Number one, it's nobody is applauding when animals are being killed,
and not for food. We're being killed and in this case,
ostriches in BC to stave off the spread of aban food.
So the Supreme Court of Candy refuse to hear the
case basically said that the Canadian Food Inspection Agency has

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the legal authority to deal with and follow through with
their call order. And again, I'm not applauding the death
of these animals. Why would I'm not a psychopath. But
inside this story is also requires the acknowledgment of avian
flu has been extremely dangerous to the bird population. There's
been hundreds of millions of birds called in North America

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over the last couple of years. But these three hundred
ostriches has really taken on a life of its own,
has poorly worded, has really taken the conversation in a
really wild emotional direction. I think it's also important to
note some of the actual factors here. The owners were
simply not following the rules, were reporting the compliance issues
were not being adhere too. The avi and flu can

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be dangerous, and they talk about what about the antibodies?
What about the antibodies? Has been poorly handled, poorly executed,
and maybe, just maybe some of these ostriches could have
been brought in for further scientific research about whether or
not there were any actual unique antibodies in place. But
then they talk about why not just create a testing
regime that can protect these ostriches in the future. I mean,

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if you hear from a virologist who talk about the
fact that you can see the shedding on the ground
which might not be detected in a test, he would
have to test repeatedly and frequently in different parts of
the body where the virus can be hidden. So look again,
no one's applied to the death of an Ostrich, let
alone three hundred. Well, we've got to at some point,

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somehow just keep emotions in check a little bit and
look at the past history on the firm, the fact
that we're reporting non compliance issues. So these are parts
of the conversation, I think, right, So for some maybe
not a couple of more quicks before we get to you.
And this story is something else too. It's Chris Daltrument

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Nova Scotia member of Parliament, crossed the floor from the
exerative parody of.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Canada to the Liberals.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Mister Dauntemont was on TV over the weekend on one
of the political shows talk about the fact that he says,
he alleges I wasn't there. I don't know what happened
is that Addrew Schaer and parody with Churs Workington. But
he says, barge into their office, into his office, be
rated him and yelled at him about how much of
a snake he was. All right, so again I wasn't there.

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And then Magge General, another Conservative member has resigned his seat.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
It's a couple of things.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Again, emotions run amook and here's one and this is
the official spokesperson for the office of the leader, the
official opposition.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
This was in a Sunday morning statement.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Chris Dontrument, who established himself a liar after wilfully deceiving
his voters, friends and colleagues because he was upset he
didn't get his coveted deputy speaker role, is now spinning
moral lies after crossing the floor.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
He will fit in perfectly with the liberal caucus.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Regardless of what you think of mister Dontrrement or the
fact that politicians can cross the floor. Can we just
be a little less juvenile in talking about these things?
And then you know, reading further and again, I betrayed
myself and voters that put their ex alongside mister Dontrment
because he was running for the Conservatives.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I'm sure they.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Feel like they've been misled, willfully or otherwise. But then
you know, inside the media, doom. Media scrolling was things like, look,
it's the path potentially to the liberals, the form of majority, possibly,
but people saying I didn't vote for a majority technically
or one hundred percent right. Why because it's not a thing.

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We don't get to vote for minorities or vote for majorities.
And unless you have one of the official leaders running
in your voting, in your writing, you don't vote for
prime minister either, So again, you didn't vote for majority. No,
because it's not an actual thing. Here and the last one,
if we actually changed the voting system from first past

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the post to some sort of propartial representation, some hybrid,
it's very likely into the future we would never ever
see another majority government. Minority problems are something we're going
to have to get used to, especially if we change
the way that we consider the winners, you know, fifty
percent plus one first past the post. If that goes away,
so does majority governments. Tomorrow's a remembrance Day and we

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don't have a show, but happy to talk about any
of those related matters are in the program. Fascinating story
that there remains of four more Newfoundland and Labrador soldiers
haven't identified in Europe.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
No real details as to exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Where or some of those surrounding stories, but we're happy
to talk about it and talk about the service. And
hopefully the weather doesn't interruption many of these remembers state
ceremonies tomorrow. You know, when you think about it, people
will talk about change the course of the part of me,
of the province, and you know, talk about the thirty
thousand person exodus on the heels.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Of the cod Moratory and being announced.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
But I think it's fair to say the course of
the province was forever changed, even with things like the
first day of the Battle of the Somme at Paul Monthammel.
Some seven hundred young men lost that day, communities devastated
insofar as young adult population goes of men. So anything
in that arena, we can absolutely talk about it, and
we should. We won't have the luxury of talking about

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it tomorrow up on the show, because we don't have
a show tomorrow. So let's please do, indeed, offer.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Some reflection this morning, if you're so inclined.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
All right, how are we doing on the telephone there,
Beth Fagan, I'll promise this last one on this date
fifty six years ago, Senesame Street first aired on one
hundred and eighty PBS public television stations. Of course, using
Jim Henson's puppets learn how to teach letters, numbers, colors.
It was designed to help the less advantaged children prepare
for school. It dealt with a lot of real life

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issues though as well, talking about kids in foster care,
children with autism, homelessness, and families hunger. There was even
a character that was HIV positive. You know, all in
the hopes of teaching compassion and tolerance for diversity. Boy,
oh boy, do we ever need a bit more of that.
We're on Twitter where VOSM open line. Follow us there,

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Speaker 3 (21:52):
Let me go back.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Let's have a great show. There's only one way that
can happen. You're in the que to talk about whatever's
on your mind.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Don't go away.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
He is open line, seem big Land FM Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Welcome back to the program that's been this morning online
number two. Say good morning to Ben Oates, who's with
Force NL. Let me just get the right button. Good morning, Ben,
you're on the air. Mortin Patty's more too bad, it's
all how about you?

Speaker 4 (22:14):
Not so bad?

Speaker 5 (22:15):
Good weekend for the heads.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
On that front. I mean, that's a really fast team.
That Montreal Utah game was super quick and New Hook
looked great. They had like five six shots a goal
and assist. The goal was a game winner. He's having
a bit more impact this year, so that's fun to watch.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
Yeah, Yeah, he's He's a key player in my opinion. Man,
it's good to see someone from the hometown.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
Doing so well.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
Unfortunately, I'm calling in on something a bit less exciting.
I'm reaching out to you this morning on behalf of
the Friends of Renewable Churchill Energy at Force and L
We're a non partisan coalition of thirty plus young professionals
from across our province. As you might be aware and
as your listeners might be aware of, last week, we
released an open letter to the new elected government outlining
our position on the turd will follows MoU and basically

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we just wanted to add a support of perspective to
the court of public opinion as we feel this voice
has been missing from the discussion and has been kind
of overridden by a group of nine and some negativity
and some interesting perspectives on the matter. It's our understanding
that after releasing this letter, our Minister Parrot was on
VOCM on Friday and responded to our letter to just

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by claiming that our organization was nothing more than a
partisan political stunt. This has also been reflected on social
media and stuff like that, and our team has been
really hard to engage with people on the ground to
ensure that this is not the case. We are not
We are privileged to have members of a wide variety
of political backgrounds, including myself, and you know, we would

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like this deal to be negotiated outside of the political theater. However,
I wanted to reach out this morning, extending all the
branch to the government then reiterate that this is not
the case. You know, what we're all united behind is
the economic potential that this mL you can provide. Developing
a turct of is in our opinion, way too important

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to be a part of an issue. It doesn't matter
to me if it's the Liberals, the PCs, the NDPS,
it could be the marijuana party for all if care
Force NL sees the opportunity for this new government to
show its leadership and forward thinking and we hope they
jump on this opportunity to liver for the future of
our province and not let us off away. We want
them to have a win here because a win for
the government on this MU is a win for the

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entire province.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Considering this.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
We want to invite, Oh, we want to invite Minister
Pairer to a meeting with us so we can demonstrate
the breadth of our support. We can get forward, we
can get a discussion going. We're not out here to
try to make political hay out of this. We want
to win for the province.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
What about the like of for instance, we don't really
know a whole lot about what the PC's plan like,
insofar as specifics go to talk about in the next
sixty days, they'll have a plan for the next independent review.
Is an independent review something you would welcome or you
think that the time has passed and time to move forward.

Speaker 7 (24:58):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
So we're not opposed to another truly independent review. It's
just in light of the reverk that's been down, this
file already being broughted for the House of Assembly, with
an independent oversight panel already being established, and with the
deal being vetted by Jaging Mortar Jay's power Visor, et cetera,
et cetera, we just view it as a little bit
of unnecessary delay. I agree with you, Pat, you said
once before that a lot of this would have been

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avoided if a bird's eye level player was appointed right
off the hot, so someone like the Deloitte or some
other financial firm that is completely removed from the situation
we need.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
If they're going to.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
Do an independent review, we want it to be completely independent.
We needed to be cold, clinical, calculated, removed from the
emotion and speculation and the raw I mean trauma call
what it is that this province has been subjected to
previous HydroD deals in the past, So you know, more
or less we want to meet with them just we
want to invite them to outline what they intend to do,
what do they intend to appoint, what's their team plan,

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will be accept the recommendations of another independent review or
do they have this deal already you know written off.
The uncertainty in this world that we're facing right now
geopolitically and economically and all that uncertainty is a killer
and it's something that we cannot afford as the province
in our current physcal position to have, you know, and
the impacts of the uncertainty around this deal go way

(26:15):
beyond just Churchill. Right, you look at what the mining
industries are saying up in Labrador. They're saying they need
the power, they can't make final desking decisions until they
know what the hell's happening. You look at even so
far as baya Ord, I'm sure Equinor is watching what's
going on with this and hearing talks about a referendum
and all this stuff, and they're going But I don't
know if we want to get and tangle up with
that when they can put their capital elsewhere. Right, we're

(26:37):
confidence that even after an independent review, this deal will
pass you on the round of scrutiny, and we view
it is vital to.

Speaker 6 (26:43):
Get it moving.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
We just encourage the government to weigh, you know, the
benefits perceived benefits of waiting and delaying and reviewing, versus
the consequence that would result if Hyderko back moves away
from this steal. And as you said in your preamble,
we were talking about ai AI is the bubble is
going to pop at some it's not. That's a risky
move to bet on that.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
Right.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
The only viable customer for development of the Churchill River
at that scale is hydro Quebec, and you know it's
nobody proved he wants to deal with hydro Quebec. But
we can look past that because of this MoU is
mutually beneficial to both of our provinces, and it's set
up so that this is the case over the entire
lifetime of the deal.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
The Labrador concerns are very real. But even the way
it was presented by the government about expansion in the
mining sector and the quadrupling of the Labrador block, when
they only go halfway and tell us half of the details,
that just leads a further skepticism because the quadrupling the
Labrador recall block isn't automatic, and it isn't immediate. It's

(27:44):
over the course of decades. So had they said that,
it depends a little clear picture of them being fourth
right or as furs right as they should be about
what's actually involved here. So I'll just make that quick
point because I think that kind of hijacked some of
the conversations somewhat in addition to that, and I tried
to get Michael Save on the show, and I know
Michael Savier wasn't going to make any time for me, and.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
So be it.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
But when he says replacement costs compared to what this
deal represents, is the replacement costs twelve to fourteen cents
somewhere in that neighborhood, but we still don't know what
he means. We don't know if that includes brand new development.
We don't know if it means a small nuclear. We
don't know if it means expansion on the romain like,
we don't know anything about it. So if we had
to address those two things, it probably would bring a

(28:25):
little bit more clarity of the conversation because there are
two pretty key components here. We can talk about the
average billion dollars a year and the term of the
contract and all the rest of it and the authority
at goal, but to not know what Michael Savier means
specifically about replacement costs has really been something that people
have hung their hat on and understandably so.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Yeah, absolutely, well, we don't know the methodology behind that number,
as in terms of what they were saying it was
it a replacement for romanes. One thing that has been
missing from the court of public opinion, which I think
is vital, is the means in which he got that
twelve to fourteen incent number, and that was established through
net present value MPV. Basically, that's a calculations an industry

(29:05):
standard thing for evaluating a project's value over the.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
Lifetime of the project.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
That basically puts money in a reference frame of time.
My understanding, looking at the mass that was done and
some of the background on it, is that that number
given was what the value would be in twenty forty
one when they have to go to replace that asset.
So if you back calculate that twelve to fourteen cent
number back to twenty twenty four numbers, you actually get

(29:32):
the five point nine cents. It's more closer to that.
So that's something that's missing from the court of public opinion,
is because the twelves and fourteen cent number, it certainly
looks like Quebec's just pulling the wool over our eyes
once again. But you have to consider that the frame
of reference in which he said that, And I think
again it would be great if Michael Slaviert combining or
show clarify that. But that is my understanding knowing MTV.

(29:53):
You know, I'm privileged to work in the engineering sector.
I've worked on a few different projects before I've seen
these calculations born out. Albeit I am early in my career,
and that's a key aspect of this discussion which is missing.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, I guess my point is, you know, I wanted
to hear it straight from the horse's mouth in that case,
mister Savia. But I guess more importantly it would have
been nice had we heard more from whether it be
Premier Fury or the Administer Parison's or Jennifer Williams to
break down. Now, I understand the net present value, and
Jennifer Williams she did speak to that exact issue here,
but I hate speaking for other people, but she also

(30:27):
did add that there's still some confusion as to what
exactly was meant by mister Savior's comments, even if you
do extrapolate from twenty sixty one, which is one of
the outs for us, back to twenty twenty four dollars.
But again, I think the ultimate point I'm making this
is when there is confusion, people will latch onto it,
whether it be to further or bolster their support or

(30:48):
to bolster their opposition. And I think that's always going
to be the case. But when you added to the
fact this is half a trillion dollars worth of stuff
over the next fifty plus years, then of course those
arrogants become very loud and some times hard to put
some of these genies back in the Bottle.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
I think there's the point I'm making.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Yeah, absolutely, I agree with you one hundred percent. And
I guess what Force and L's main objective is is
to bring this back into a professional focus. Right, We're
not out there trying to score prior to some points.
Like I said, I don't care what party. I don't
care who takes credit for this deal. It is too
It is, in our opinion, a good deal, and it
does not matter the means in which we achieve it. It
just needs to get across the line, and we need

(31:25):
to weigh the consequences of causing extra confusion and of
being unclear and of etcetera, etcetera against signing the deal.
The way I like to frame this is and again
the Liberals are guilty of it as well in my
humble professional opinions. You know, I don't know why they
didn't release Mike Wilson's letter to begin with. That was
a nothing burger who's just been straight of dispute. But

(31:46):
the way I like to frame this deal is not
to sound melodramatic, but it's the same way that the
pro treaty forces in Ireland at the Civil War frames it.
It's this deal is the freedom in which we can
achieve our freedom. It is not the end of the
story of Newtonland, Labrador's commercial development, industrial development. This deal

(32:06):
provides firm power, provides stable revenue, and it allows us
to be able to take the risks that people seem
to want to take as opposed to the go out
on to adventure. But these things can go hand in hand.
This isn't the end of the story, right And I'm
thinking in terms of someone who has set up shop
here at this a bout of house, graduated, want to
live here. This deal is the freedom to achieve. It
gives us the freedom to achieve our freedom economically. And

(32:29):
people are we get it, we say in the open Learner.

Speaker 7 (32:31):
People are skiittish.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
People are scared to make another deal. I get it,
But you look at it, get down to brass tacks.
You know, the water on the beans is a decent deal.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
The conversation is not over and I do think that.
You know, again, I can't speak for Tony Wakemer everybody else,
but if I was taking that public position on the
campaign trail, I think I would have put some of
my key supporters in the business and engineering and legal
community put them to work in so far as trying
to identify who would conduct the independent review, because if
we're still sixty days ish out from that, then time

(33:04):
does become an issue here, no matter what people like
to think, because if the Quebec government is going to
force it because of Lego's in trouble, he's done so
if he hangs hangs on that deadline, then I think
we have to understand what the implication there might be. Now,
some people listening to say, who cares, let's wait till
twenty forty one, which is a different conversation. But Ben,
I appreciate the time, and hopefully Minister Parrot takes you

(33:26):
up on the request for a meeting.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Let me know.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
Yeah, we'll do, sir, Thank you very much for your time,
Take care.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
You too, Bye bye, all right, very cook before you go,
is you know the whole concept of the Doug Ford
created Act advertisement talk about so called smearing the Trump
administration and political interference.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
By kndada blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
In so far as the Ostrich call goes, there's a
billionaire American who's begging the Department of Justice, the American
Department of Justice to investigate that talk about the pot
and the kettle.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Let's get a break in. Don't go away is open line.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
I'm a VOCM Bigland FM Radio Network.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Well, Dave Patten is penned a new book called Nurse
Fortescue and Doctor Patten, talking about recounting some of the
stories of the life and times of his parents, Shelley
Fortescue and Tony Patten. I just want to read out
one of the excerpts on the back cover. Read this
book if you want to learn about human beings at
their best, about a love for Labrador and all his peoples,
About superhuman optimism, dedication, and astonishing medical miracles in one

(34:28):
of the harshest and most beautiful places on earth. Read
this book if you want to be amazed, written by
Andy Jones. Welcome to the author on line umber four,
Dave Patten. Dave, you are on the air.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Hi, Hi there, thanks for taking the Kyle.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I'm happy to take your call and thank you so
much for sending along in an advanced copy of the book.
I have indeed read some of the tales and to
Andy Jones's commitment, there some amazing stuff inside here.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Dave, where would you like to start this morning.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Well, I thought i'd give you listeners a brief overview
of my parents there, and I a short exert I
could read. It's just a page or so about one
of the incidents from World War two. So I can
tell you that my father was born in Labrador and
his parents were doctor and nurse there as well. He
went away to train as a doctor and his plan

(35:17):
was to return to Labrador and pursue that career, but
mister Hitler had other ideas and he signed up for
the Navy as soon as he had his medical degree.
He spent about a year on convoy escorts back and
forth between Saint John's and Londonderry. Used to go to
the Carls and I was here between convoys, and then

(35:40):
he was on a minesweeper for the d D landings.
He was in Channel two at Omaha Beach keeping things
clear so the Americans could land. And then he was
on a frigate in March of nineteen forty five which
was torpedoed in the Stern with the loss of foe
men and about.

Speaker 7 (35:58):
Sixty feet of the ship.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
So that was Dad's war in a nutshell. And all
this time this was going on. My mother was nursing
in and around London.

Speaker 8 (36:09):
She in.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
The farming before the war started. She was nineteen when
the war started in nineteen thirty nine, and I've heard
she told me stories about plowing fields with purser on
draft horses, which hard to imagine. But anyway, when the
war started she signed up as a nurse. She nursed
all through the blitz and all through World War Two.

(36:34):
Hospitals she worked and were hit by bombs on two occasions.
The first one demolished the outpatient's next grade apartments of
a London hospital where she was working. The second one
was a near miss, and I guess it had been
much nearer.

Speaker 6 (36:51):
I probably wouldn't be.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Doing this interview with you right now. There was a
V one flying bomb which came down very close to
the hospitals she was working in, and I could just
read you that incident. If you'd like me.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
To, please do go ahead.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Date Okay, So your listeners, some of them will know
that a V one. The v ones were the world's
first cruise missiles. It's a thousand pounds of high explosives
and this is what happened. We were hit by a
V one. They were the flying bombs that came across.
They came in a steady stream heading for London, and
we were right in the flight path. They were overhead

(37:29):
above Danstead. They had a name for it, bomb Alley,
I think it was. They came over continuously and they
were frightening things. I think they were the most frightening
things that we had to put up with during the war.
The v ones, they made a horrible sound, a sort
of a grinding sound as they came. They weren't manned,
of course, they were just flying bombs. The noise would

(37:50):
stop and there would be dead silence. It would stop
right above you. You knew it was coming down. They
didn't come down directly, however, most of them went over.
We had German prisoners there wounded. They didn't like their
v one as a tall They would make a great
fuss and say glasses das. They were quite indignant. As

(38:10):
a matter of fact, we told them that it was
their fewer secret weapon. They didn't think much of that.
They wanted to go somewhere safe, but of course we
told them they were staying right there where they were
with the.

Speaker 7 (38:22):
Rest of us.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
After three weeks we did get hit. It was a
very old hospital, what they called an insane asylum in
the old days. It was a vast place. We had
a hit and it did a great deal of damage.
I was on night duty. Very curious things happened during
air raids. Each ward, which had about eighty beds in it.
At the end, it had a kitchen where you were
supposed to make hot tea and so forth for the patients,

(38:46):
and around the end of that was a blast wall.

Speaker 7 (38:49):
There was a sort of a.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Brick wall around part of it which was supposed to
be bomb protection. We were told that if we thought
we were going to be hit, we should go into
the ward and get under one.

Speaker 6 (38:58):
Of the beds.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
I suppose might offer some sort of protection. I had
one Red Cross nurse with me, and my ward was
almost empty. Fortunately because it was the night between convoys,
we had about eight patients in there, so we got
under the beds. It wasn't a direct hit, but it
was very close. I think maybe the next word or
two were hit, but I just remember the noise of

(39:20):
the thing coming down. I suppose I was knocked out
because I remember looking up and there was the sky
and the stars and all the smoke. It wasn't smoked.
It was the remains of the roof. Everything looked shattered
and so forth. But I was fine. I was all right.
I called to my Red Cross nurse, but she didn't answer.
I don't know where she was. Then the next thing

(39:43):
I knew was one of the night sisters. The sisters,
of course, were just like gods to us. You didn't
speak to a sister unless she spoke to you. She
was standing beside me when I crawled out. She was immaculate.
She had a starch stapron on.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
She had a huge cap.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
With a little ball under the chain, and she just said,
get up, Get up, nurse. I got up, and she said,
is your kitchen in tact? I said, I don't know, sister.
She said, go and look and put your kettles on
because heavy rescue will be here immediately. She didn't say
go and look at your patient, or where is your
Red Cross nurse. Just put your kettles on, which I did.

(40:21):
I wasn't hurt atall. My Red Cross nurse was alive,
but she was very badly injured. She was right down
the end of an eighty bed ward. I only had
those few patients in and only one man was killed.
We were very lucky that was the v one. So
there's an account of a very near miss which would

(40:43):
have been in about nineteen forty four.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
It's a fascinating tale, and certainly this is an incredible
book that I very much looked forward to reading some
more of it. Dave, I wish we had more time,
but folks, do yourself and favor follow the words Vandy Jones,
Holly Hogan, Murning, Parsons and others who have had a
chance to Peru was nurse for Tesco and doctor Padden.
Thank you for your time this morning, Dave. Good luck
with the book.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Okay, thank you much for the opportunity of Patty.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Pleasure for bye bye bye. All right, I mean that's
a great story. Let's get a break and took away.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
This is open line on the VOCM Bigland FM radio network.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number five.
Good morning, Walter, you're on the air.

Speaker 9 (41:22):
Good morning. How are you to do?

Speaker 3 (41:24):
I'm doing well, Walter? How about you?

Speaker 9 (41:27):
Not too bad? As of today? I got a huge
then said out fiftys to the doctors. Okay, he blew
picked me up.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I get I died pardon, I'm sorry I said that again.

Speaker 9 (41:50):
I died on Friday and they brought me back.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
What was going on, Walter? What was your health issue?

Speaker 9 (42:01):
Well? I had, I had, I had two strokes about
five or six months ago out that worked by day
and I felt really weird, so warm. So I went
out to so I did to get a bit of
air and I dropped no pulse and they called the admine.

(42:23):
The anilines got there.

Speaker 6 (42:24):
I think I.

Speaker 9 (42:26):
Was at like twelve two minutes. No, no, no, no
one pressure anything like that.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Right, so they were able to resuscitate you. Do you
need any further procedures on your heart or anything like that?

Speaker 3 (42:45):
So what's next?

Speaker 9 (42:47):
Well doctor MTV? After Sean Canners stuck a pastmaker on
me on Friday. But I'm faday, So By'm getting used
to my room takes to pay speaker and I can
feel it it kicks in. Let's stay. That's okay. I'm

(43:09):
just glad to be here all.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I bet you are well do it, and I'm glad
you're here to speak with us this morning. So when
you get a pacemaker, what are you told that doesn't
provide any limitations what you can or should it be
doing or how does that work?

Speaker 3 (43:21):
I honestly don't know.

Speaker 9 (43:23):
And sure that's great complection. I never asked that, but
because it didn't come to my mind. But there he
never said that doesn't want to do anything. Yeah, I
can't see going out and as all actually right now,
but you know, yes, okay, and told me that a

(43:44):
whole up. I got to see him in ninety days
for reasonolog Jacob, and in ten years you'll change the
better way.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah, I mean I understand the mechanics of how a
pacemaker works. I was asking, I know you wonder somebody
else about what physical restrictions they might have told you to,
you know, to adjust your lifestyle while you get used
to having a pacemaker. But excellent news, obviously Walter, that
you're here and able to join us this morning.

Speaker 9 (44:13):
A great always did at the huge huge thank you
for five chill five day at the h mind great
people and some people at work. Thank you. I appreciate
what you did.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
And we appreciate your time. Walter. You're always welcome, Okay,
I'm great, very same to you. Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I mean some of the marvels of modern medicine and
uh Tom and Pja. You stay right there. We won't
just squeeze up against the news. We'll get you after
the newscast. And I guess part of it is I've
never been so sick of it anything.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Maybe is the COVID vaccine.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
But there's a story in the news, and I'll leave
these conversations between you and your doctor as to what
you think you should, could do or consider regarding this
season's influenza. So, I mean, the reality is the flu shot,
you know, is generally engineered looking at what happened in
the southern hemisphere to try to prepare for rot strains

(45:13):
would make their way to the northern hemisphere, and that's
been the annual approach to creating the seasonal influenza vaccine.
This year, it looks like it was a really tough
year in the Southern Hemisphere and now with what they're
talking about is the mutation of the specific strain that
we are going to have to deal with, it looks
like it might be a rough year in Australia. They're

(45:34):
talking about the fact that there was over four hundred
and ten thousand firmed lab confirmed cases across the country,
say Senator record a second year in a row, and
the fact that the strain has mutated, so says the
research says people working in the industry, which I don't
understand in full, is that their question whether or not it's
going to be a mismatch to this year's strain which
will be experienced in this hemisphere. So again when someone said,

(45:57):
why don't we bring it up? People need to be
aware it on your age and some co mobility, co morbidities,
what have you. But I'll leave the conversation up to
you and your healthcare provider because I you know, everybody's
circumstance is different. And when we have a better understanding
of whether or not the vaccine is a mismatch with
the mutated strain. Again, between you and your doctor you

(46:17):
can talk about it. But yes, flu shots are now
available around the province at your pharmacy for instance. So
if you are so inclined, maybe that conversation about what's
being reported as a potential mismatch vaccine to the strain
that we're experiencing, you can check that out between you
and your doctor. We're vosm upen line on the Twitter box.
You can follow us there. Man, it is Wild State

(46:40):
of Affairs on that website we're taking your emails. It's
open line on VSM dot com. Lots of automatic pushback
in the email regarding Ben Oates call earlier and he's
part of FORCENL and they're talking about the merits and
moving forward with the Upper Churchial Memorandum of Understanding and
of course to each their own. There's plenty of people
that have that seed of distrust associated with whether it

(47:01):
be the Liberal Party and or the problems of Quebec
and others there who of course think this is a
great deal. We should move forward. The rights and the
wrongs of it. I'll leave it up to you, all right.
When we come back, we'll talk about the most recent
federal budget and then we're going to speak with Councilor
Tom Davis and topic.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
On shore Don't Go Away is open line now the
VOCM Bigland FM Radio network.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to Lene number one, singamore.
It's a ward for a councilor here in town. That's
Tom Davis Morning Councilor around the air.

Speaker 5 (47:27):
Good morning, Patty, it's here.

Speaker 10 (47:29):
Start with remembering stay tomorrow. It's something that is near
and dear to my heart. My grandfather served in the
Royal Navy on battleships and cruisers, so it hits pretty hard.
And I hit the honor on the Friday of Lane
res for the city up at Marine Institute, and you know,
it was a miserable day. Was blown a gale and
you know, it makes you think about what sailors and

(47:50):
soldiers had to go through over there and protecting what
we take for granted.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, my grandfather, Stevenry, is a veteran of the World
War One as well.

Speaker 10 (47:59):
Yeah, yeah, so again tomorrow, you know, I hope everybody
has an approach is eleven o'clock just takes us that
can remember those of serve and those who are serving.
And of course there's going to be disruptions to traffic
tomorrow and there is limited accessible parking on duckwer Street,
so those I don't always a lot of times that
people who hold this chair is just closest to the

(48:21):
ones that are older and have the least ability to
get around. So encourage them to get there early and
get their parking place so that they can take part
in their annual tradition so they're earlier to get there
to better There is information on the city's website. Anybody
wants to reach out, I can help.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Them fair enough, and hopefully the weather isn't too bad tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (48:41):
It's not looking great. I know, I know, we guess
we need rain, but it'd be nice for to hold
off until after the service and the ceremonies were all over.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Absolutely, so moving on to studded tires.

Speaker 10 (48:53):
At that time of the year, a lot of people
are making choices, and it seems like a fairly innocuous choice.
You know, you're higher person may present you with the
option of adding studs, and you know, again, perception is
that it's better, and they are better on thick ice,
there's no debate, but in particular with milder winters and
better ice control in a lot of the more urban

(49:15):
parts of the province, when I'm driving around, I hear
the click click click. Now, that could be people come
in from places where they got gravel roads and all
that stuff. But if people could just take into account,
you know, few factors that the studded tires on dry
pavement or even wet pavement actually don't have, for the
most part of the same stopping power, so they actually
will take longer to stop because of the metal on

(49:36):
pavement and they can increase that stopping distance by ten
to fifteen percent, which can make a big difference. And
a lot of really good snow tires that they make
now actually have just as good performance as studded tires.
And also bearing in mind the fact that there was
demonstrated road where which obviously the rutting and stuff. Most

(49:56):
people think it's heavy trucks and although that contributes a
little bit majority of the road where we see on
the heavy heavy traffic areas like the Pitts Memorial and
the Transcan that is actually from studed tires which actually
we're down the road by digging in.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Or I mean, I'll leave it up the people to
choose whatever tire they want to put on. But in
my neck of the woods here in the Northeast Avalon,
I mean every bit of a look at what you know,
quality winter tires versus studs. Studs are less safe than
regular winter tires around where I am, based on the
weather conditions that you describe. But some people just swear
by them, and that's that, yeah, like to each their own.

Speaker 10 (50:33):
Well, you know, our job is to try and just
bring a different perspectives. A lot of people also don't
realize that the added vibration actually does wear your suspension
down a little quicker. So you know, it's a noisier ride,
it's a little rougher ride. A little bit does wear
down your suspension a little bit more. So again, people
can do spit of research on their own. And obviously
there's an extra cost to a started tire, you know.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
So you know, for a whole bunch of.

Speaker 10 (50:53):
Reasons, we ask people just to have a look at
it when they're making that choice. Fair ball taking off
the council hat now and I just want to add
a little bit of perspective to the MU conversation. And
it's great again, it's great to have all these different voices,
young and old. Uh, And I just want to keep
keep going with that. There's there's a big push now

(51:15):
from the mining industry. We just just had a conference,
so you know it's obvious you know that goes out
saying that they are looking for electricity, they're trying to
electrify and right now presently the line that goes between
Churchill Falls and Umbra or West needs to be upgraded
to give them a bit more power.

Speaker 11 (51:32):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (51:32):
You know, we're managing that pretty good. But I'd like
to add, you know, one of the challenges with the
MoU is it's so complex, it's so broad, and it's
it's really almost impossible for anybody to grasp it all
in one one thought. But if we're in the process
of negotiating, which we are doing, and if part of
the part of the play is to say, well, listen,
we're going to wait until our hand gets stronger, then

(51:55):
some of these side issues like the mining industry, which
is important obviously for the economy, but not really the
main driver of these deals. You know, there is the
option of us obviously would have to negotiate this with
our partner doing the upgrade, the five hundred and fifty
megawat upgrade, which is increasing eight the eleven turbines that

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are in the existing power plant, and part of the
MoU was that happening, and then basically Newfoundland and Labrador
getting the majority of that power, and so potentially this
is something we could do. If we need more power
for Labrador West, we can just get it by upgrading. However,
many of those turbines that we would need to upgrade,
we wouldn't have to do all of them necessarily, but

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as we could bring them online and that would give
that then we could then if the industry obviously would
have to pay for the increased transmission line, they do
the primary beneficiaries. We don't need it for the residents
of Labrador.

Speaker 5 (52:49):
So you know some to.

Speaker 10 (52:50):
Think about as well. Potentially, if you increase that transmission
line capacity, then surplus power from Ruskrat Falls which already
there's a connection between Muscer Falls and Churchill Falls could
also then flow along that power line. There is the
option for us to develop Labrador without having to do
Gull Island or having to put in the second power

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plant on the air well.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
It's not entirely up to us and US alone about
expansion at the Opera Chrcial. That's not available Muskrat. I
mean there is no excess power for Muskrat. I mean
no flannl Lbator Hydro is looking around to expand the
supply by one hundred and fifty megawatts. I mean every
bit of excess power at Muskrat at this moment time
is going to Nova Scotia as per the contractual arrangement
on the maritime link in and around twenty twenty one

(53:37):
percent of the power there so you know, any expansion
of whether be mining opportunities or industrial opportunities of Labrador,
does require more powers. Don't take it for me, take
it from from the mining companies themselves. We had Graham
letter from Takora Scully Mines on last week, so yeah,
maybe at.

Speaker 10 (53:56):
Yeah, I mean, don't miss my point. You know what
I was Baty saying is that within the concept of
increasing the efficiency of the turbines in the existing plant,
extra power can be acquired without having to do gut Island,
without having to do a new deal with Quebec. I
mean that that does not that is something that that
could be negotiated separately. It's something that the federal government

(54:17):
as a nation building project, could be involved in if
we were to walk away from the full scope of
the MoU.

Speaker 12 (54:24):
You know.

Speaker 10 (54:24):
Another thing to bear in mind too, is with registration
at at CNA down by over six percent, you know
there is a lot of the job call for jobs.
I have someone close to me who's working on a
concrete project, a hospital expansion in Halifax, and you know

(54:44):
there's now thirty people from Mexico out of one hundred people,
so thirty percent of the workforce are now people brought
in from Mexico to do concrete work. And we've got
to try and separate the I guess Biberboley or the
politics from the reality and that you know, I often
say it's difficult to get electrician, the plumber or you know,
a trades person everybody for the most part. I know

(55:07):
you've said before that you know trade. Then now there's
a lot of people unemployed. But I'll tell you it's
as we all know, the price of the trades, whether
it's doing you know, small work, big work is really increased.
And for the most part, those who are working, who
want to work, especially in a remote site, are working
in remote site. So again it's a bigger conversation. I
just want to add some some of my thoughts to it.

(55:28):
And let's keep on having these chats.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
And we're going to have to and I appreciate your time.
Thanks a lot of time.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Okay, take everyone you too, Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
I mean. And a part of suggestions of you know,
isn't there enough money out there that we could go
to loone, for instance, with gull Island, I'm not so
sure the appetite the province has about it. Another mega
project on a gold loan basis on the Churchill River.
But let's just put that out there a little bit further.
I mean, Gull Islands, you know, people talk about is

(55:58):
the last great hydro project North America, and it might be.
So let's you know, the round numbers two and twenty
five megawatsat gall In realistically speaking, all that's all of
a sudden. Every community had a big, major AI data center,
which I don't see the upside necessarily on that front.

(56:19):
Everywhere Labrador, we could never consume all that power. I mean,
some menthities may indeed come to town. Even mining expansion.
They talk about the quadrupling of the Labrator recall block
as being sufficient satisfactory. So go Tolone at gall And
this is not about the Upper Churchill MoU and the
proposed deal between US and Hydro Quebec, but goll On

(56:41):
a gold alone.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Boy, we'd have to.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Have some pretty significant power purchase agreements in place before
this taxpayer would be interested in that. Plus, even if
it was to use it for power, and Labrador power
on the island, the excess power getting it to market,
Let's just say the closest markets you know in Upper
Canada or in the northeastern United States. I mean, we're

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talking tens of billions of dollars in just transmission. You know,
it's a twenty five billion dollar plus bill just to
develop it, with no actual customer in play at this
moment of time other than the geographical relationship we have
with hydrokle back. This is not a comment about the good,
the bad, or the ugly of the MoU as it stands.
It's just about the reality of how you develop and

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get two and twenty five megawatts to whoever the customer
might be.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Let's get a break it. When we come back, we're
talking about the federal budget. Don't go away.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Is open line now the VOCM big Land FM Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Welcome back to the program. Let's go to line number two.
PJ around the air.

Speaker 6 (57:42):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 13 (57:43):
I was hoping to talk about the federal budget, but
just for a go there, I wanted to talk about
the Wilson letter if I could. Sure as a two
people spoke about it earlier on your show today, and
it's been out now for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 14 (57:58):
And now it's fully readable. You know, the liberals want
you to think the Vincia liberals want you to think
that there's nothing there, but you know, go to the
question why.

Speaker 9 (58:09):
Was it all we'd acted?

Speaker 13 (58:10):
Why did they go to the whole campaign and not
release the letter if there was nothing there? And the
same with your earlier caller from this Newfoundland force. He
wants you to believe there's nothing in the letter, but
I think when you look at the letter now, there
is interesting parts there. It appears to me at least
that there was interference by the Clerk of the Executive

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Council who was the you know, the head of the
public service in New zualand had had had person and
didn't want the panel to dwell into how the principles
came about that were in the mlu as is right now.
So I don't know which clerk it was because the
clerk's changed the one that they Premier Purity changed that

(58:57):
early May, so I don't know which which one it
was that was giving the direction to the panel. I
guess the bottom line question gets to be, now after
two weeks, is mister wakem going to disband this panel
or they're going to allow it to carry on?

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Because I don't.

Speaker 13 (59:13):
Believe their independence is independent at all.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
To be honest with you after speak with Mike Wilson
on this show and calling for the unredacted version to
be publicly released, and then reading that version of the letter,
there's nothing really earth shattering in there to me, Like
it does back the question why was it redacted so
heavily in the first place, Because even if we talked
about mister Wilson's reference to the lack of impartiality and

(59:37):
no longer free to do the work as you understood
the mandate, there was some bit further detailed explanation of
what he meant, but.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Nothing really earth shattering.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
I don't even know why the government played silly games
with the heavily redacted version they released in the first place.

Speaker 15 (59:51):
Well, I think when you bought it down because the clerk,
I mean, if you look at two the version of
the letter. I don't have access to the version right now,
but I believe you'll find that they were concerned that
it shows interference into the panels, you know, activities.

Speaker 13 (01:00:08):
They I mean, there's principles within the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
MoU that need to be investigated.

Speaker 9 (01:00:13):
You know, for sure.

Speaker 13 (01:00:14):
The liberals want you to think, oh, it's the best
thing since sliced bread. But the bottom line is there's
lots of open ended questions in their MU.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
For example, whether Church of Falls Number.

Speaker 13 (01:00:24):
Two generating station was really necessary, whether Newfouland should be
responsible for one hundred percent of the cost of the
transmission lines over to the Quebec border, you know, the
debt financing, the fact that Quebec has full Vedo rights
on everything. There's lots of principles in that MU that
need to be investigated. And the Wilson, at.

Speaker 9 (01:00:46):
Least he was at the backbone to say.

Speaker 13 (01:00:48):
What needs to be investigated, and the panel, the rest
of them that are there didn't. So it opens the
question is are they that independent and there's.

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
A good value for the money.

Speaker 13 (01:00:58):
I mean they're paying getting paid well for that, I'm sure,
and maybe that money could be well spent to you know,
between now in April and some other fashion.

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
Food banks or et cetera.

Speaker 9 (01:01:09):
So I don't know.

Speaker 13 (01:01:10):
To me, the letter is indicating that there is interference
into that panel.

Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
Mister wakem have to decide.

Speaker 13 (01:01:17):
Patty, I wanted to move on to the federal budget
because I think I went through that thinking maybe there's
something in there for you know, basically common people, which
which you know, most of us are looking for things
like such as heat pumps or you know, electric vehicle subsidies,
stuff that typically.

Speaker 9 (01:01:34):
Are in these federal budgets.

Speaker 13 (01:01:35):
But this time around pretty much zero popping up. I mean,
there is something in there, there was a tax break through,
there is something in there for youth employment next year.
But I think for the main people looking at this budget,
we're in for a really a wholesale slaughter on the
public service. I mean, one thousand executive positions gone over

(01:01:59):
the next two years. That's one of the hard numbers
that are in that budget. Everything else's kind of estimate.
The one thousand executives. That's you know, families, people with
good job with government jobs. It's paying into the economy gone.
But at the same token, and this is the part
that's very concerning to me, is that they are changing

(01:02:20):
the Federal Public Sector Act to allow the government I'm
talking to federal liberals now to bring in private people
from the private sector. They want to bring in fifty leaders.
They call them into the private sector immediately. So they
laying off a thousand executives leaders and they're going to
bring in fifty of their own leaders. This is a

(01:02:42):
slippery slope. Folks, because you don't want the government to
be able to handtick who they want to come into government.
Gave that job to the Public Service Commission. Because this
is reminiscent of what Donald Trump is doing down there.
He's bringing whoever he wants into the government to do
whatever he wants them to do. This is the same
thing setting up here in Canada.

Speaker 6 (01:03:04):
It's hard to.

Speaker 13 (01:03:05):
Fathom, but it's there on page two nineteen of the budget.
Fifty private leaders to start with, and they're going to
be brought in. Those people make anywhere from one fifty
to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year and
they are going to be handpicked by the government or
the Prime Minister's office.

Speaker 9 (01:03:23):
So that's a very very.

Speaker 13 (01:03:26):
Poor thing to have.

Speaker 7 (01:03:27):
In this budget of the position.

Speaker 9 (01:03:31):
Hone in on that and get that changed.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Yeah, as the starting point, PJ. You know, the country
and not every single person, but you know, people are
talking about public sector bloat, and I know that's a
bit of a generalized term, but you know, people basically said,
there's so many people working for the federal government and
so if there was a need to, as they say
in the corporate community, to right size it the question

(01:03:54):
that I would ask before we talk about who goes
through attrition and or jobs simply to be lost. Was
service improved federal government services improved with the additional numbers
of people hired, And I think, if we're being honest,
the answer is no. So how many is the right
number for through attrition and or job losses? Executive for otherwise?

(01:04:14):
It's forty thousand over the next three years, so says
this budget. But I think that's the starting question for me.
Did things improve insofar as access to service at the
federal government level with the increasing number of people working force?
My estimation the answer is no.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
How about you, I'm undecided.

Speaker 13 (01:04:31):
I mean, I think we have to realize people are
doing work, people are measured in the government. There is
activity being done. Yeah, I mean we look at people
at CRA now and customers and trying to Canadians trying
to get served, and it's not a good position or situation.
And if you start cutting other departments, these things can

(01:04:53):
replicate into other departments. And one of the themes in
this federal budget is to rely on artificial intelligence. And
I know that's a sticking point with you, but when
you lack the other apartment, like Department of Fisheries that
NUFLAN relies on so much they're going to cut two
inundred million out of their budget. That's not insignificant pocket teams.
That's a lot of money coming out of DFO. And

(01:05:16):
their main way they're talking about is using artificial intelligence
too for the new fisheries management system. That should open
up people's eyes around the East Coast because that's artificial intelligence.
Might sound great and sexy and all that, but you know,
it's only humans to programming it, and it's only as
good as it can be. We don't have to step

(01:05:38):
back very far and look at the government's you know
what they got into the Phoenix pay system that became
an absolute total disaster. So we got to watch what
the government does with this artificial intelligence because we could
end up replicating Phoenix pay system and that is money
down the toilet. But you know, the thing that'll just

(01:06:00):
end on this.

Speaker 6 (01:06:01):
Is that the government, you know.

Speaker 13 (01:06:03):
Is quick to focus on the humans. And one of
the things they're doing here is cutting back on the
pensions of the federal servants.

Speaker 9 (01:06:13):
So I mean we're talking our.

Speaker 16 (01:06:14):
SMPE, probably military people that work for CRA or anybody
else that work for the federal government, and the formula
that they used to use for that is, you know,
based on the consumer price index.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
But now with this federal budget.

Speaker 6 (01:06:30):
They don't like that anymore.

Speaker 13 (01:06:31):
They're going to try to fix that a certain amount
and they're going to supposedly save or really not give out.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
To those workers or formal workers.

Speaker 9 (01:06:41):
Up to one billion dollars a year.

Speaker 13 (01:06:44):
So that's a significant tutback that they're sliding in there
that I hope the unions and the you know, the
general public is aware of, because if my understanding is correct,
they use the same formula to calculate our Canada pension plan,
which you know a lot of people a get so
if that is that could be a slippery slope as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
But that's not my understanding. Though. I don't think there's
any removal of funds pension or otherwise for members of
the military and or the RCMP. In fact, there's financial
incentives on both fronts because they're talking about hiring another
What no.

Speaker 13 (01:07:22):
No, I was going to say is that no, no,
they they're they're reviewing the calculation for the indexation, right,
which is the which is the annual indexation and they
use that same prop formula CAM. I understanding he is
used for the general public who'll get the Canadian CPP.
So so I'm just saying the formula is going to change,

(01:07:42):
and they have it estimated in there. One of the
biggest estimates of savings in this whole budget four billion
dollars over four years.

Speaker 6 (01:07:50):
That's a billion dollars a year. And it's in there
within the budget.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
And at the exact same time, it's also a budget
in excess of five hundred billion dollars with the episode
of seventy eight point three billion dollars. And you and
I know this to be true. There's no pleasing everyone
when it comes to budgets. People will look at the deficit,
others will look at cuts and whether or not this
hits the cuppy medium or the compromise required, I don't know.
I'll leave that up to other people's opinions. But as usual,

(01:08:17):
I appreciate your time and your contribution. PJ, thanks for calling.
All right, Thanks lot, You're welcome. Bye bye, all right,
just get in it break. When we come back, we're
gonna try to help promote a fundraise in entertainment soire
this evening We Stand on Guard once More. Of course
it's a concert taking place at the JAG Soundhouse, star
studded lineup, including the host Dabnet Oyle. She's in the

(01:08:38):
que to talk about what's going on. Of course it
will be broadcast if you don't have a ticket is
sold out to its switt so it will be broadcast
live here on VOCM and big Land from seven thirty
to nine thirty this evening. We'll hear more about the
show and what dabnet Oil is up to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Right after this Don't Go Away is open line on
a VOCM big Land FM radio network.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Welcome back to the Let's go to line number four
and sing it more to this evening's host of We
Stand on Guard once More fundraiser in conjunction with the
Salvation Army. All funds raised go to the Wildlife Relief Fund.
Line number four is our good friend, singer songwriter radio
host stabnatoyl hi to I have you're on the air.

Speaker 17 (01:09:16):
Hello, my friend, how are you?

Speaker 9 (01:09:18):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Happy to have you on. I'm doing great. How about you?

Speaker 8 (01:09:23):
I'm great.

Speaker 9 (01:09:23):
Listen.

Speaker 17 (01:09:23):
I told a bunch of people yesterday that I was
coming on your show this morning, and everybody was very,
very excited about this.

Speaker 9 (01:09:29):
It's been too long.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Well, welcome back to the program. And I just popped
in my head, tell Dad you loved her and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Shay, oh my, thank you so much, thank.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
You, great stuff. Listen, it's super to happy on the program.
And one thing I will start by saying, so you
don't have to say when there's a need for the
community to come together and for people to put their
talents on stage and put forward the effort to raise
some money for various causes, you can count on the
music community and every member of the music hotel community
be very proud of that fact because it happens every

(01:10:02):
single time.

Speaker 17 (01:10:04):
Absolutely, Patty, I'm so glad you brought that up. It's
like something you know, because it happened so often, I
think people kind of get used to it. But it
really is a big sacrifice on the you know part
of musicians that they do willingly over and over and
over again and again. Chris Andrews from SHANNIGANOK has once
again spearheaded this as he has in the past, So

(01:10:27):
I mean it's really a beautiful showing of support.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
The most recent, of course, is the post Fiona recovery
out on the southwest coast where Chris got involved right
away and of course made a huge difference to recovery
efforts there. Yeah, I mean, just speak to what we
went through this summer, given the fact we need to
establish the Wildfire Recovery Relief Fund because it had a
huge impact, not even just for folks who were in
and amongst the areas consumed by fire and their homes

(01:10:54):
lost by fire, but it had a real mental toll
on people.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
The problems, I would suggest.

Speaker 17 (01:10:59):
Absolutely because you know, there is this thing when you
watch something happening on television and other parts of the world,
you think, oh, this, this can't happen here. And this
was something that ignited so quickly here and reality became
you know, crystal clear in such a short amount of time.

(01:11:21):
It was alarming. There wasn't a lot of time for
people to react, and and it was literally all consuming.
Whether you were, as you said, directly involved or not.

Speaker 9 (01:11:33):
It was just you know, everybody you know.

Speaker 17 (01:11:35):
Anywhere I travel in the world, I'll hear an accent
and I'll stay to someone across the room, I'm sorry,
are you from New Zeundland? You know we are connected
all around the world because we are as a province,
the people in the New Zealand and Laborrador have a connection.

Speaker 9 (01:11:50):
So when people were.

Speaker 17 (01:11:51):
In need, people immediately jumped in and that's exactly what's
happening here tonight.

Speaker 11 (01:11:57):
Now.

Speaker 17 (01:11:57):
Of course, as you said, all the tickets are sold out,
but this really is an effort to get people to watch.

Speaker 9 (01:12:03):
The show live.

Speaker 17 (01:12:05):
You can listen to it on VCOM, THEOCM, SORRY and CD.
You can watch on CBC and TV broad You will
not be able to escape the show tonight. There's going
to be numbers on the screen. You will be able
to donate, whether it's five.

Speaker 9 (01:12:20):
Dollars or ten dollars.

Speaker 17 (01:12:22):
Or if you've got two hundred and fifty dollars you
want to donate, then do that too. We really are
looking for this last push of donations to help the
people who have been affected by the fires.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
The money is important, of course it is, but I
think you're also going to hear a lot of personal
messages from performers, including you, tonight, directed to folks impacted.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
By the wildfires.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
And you know, we lean in on the North Shore
because that was the most devastating, but there were plenty
of fires in different parts of the province before you
get a chance to do it on stage tonight. What
about a personal message to those impacted directly by the fires?

Speaker 17 (01:12:58):
Oh my gosh, a personal message to those directly impacted
by the fire. Honestly, Patty, I am a very very
sensitive person, and I have to steal myself for going
on stage tonight to deliver any message like that, because
now you asked me that question, I have tears in

(01:13:18):
my eyes. I mean, I don't think I'm any different
than anybody else who was watching and was not directly affected.
And the you know, the fear I felt for those people,
the empathy, the love, and the desire to help. I mean,

(01:13:40):
I think that's across the board of personal sentiments that
people have, certainly including myself. I just it's devastating, it's shocking,
it's very scary, and I am glad, however, that you
live in this province where there is such a wellspring
of support from people.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Started to put you on the spot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
But because I've thought about that myself here, because you know,
during the wildfire season, I you know, try to take
a deep breath and think about it and talk about
it on the show, and you know, we talked about
how we talk about structure's loss, but that's somebody's home.
We talked about schools loss, and that's more than just
the bricks and mortar of academia. Yeah, you know, we
talked about the families who are displaced and not knowing,
and that's that anxiety must be absolutely overwhelming.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
So that's kind of where my head was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
So if you had to ask me the same question
a few minutes ago, I'm not so sure what I
would have said, because it was the full gamut of emotions.

Speaker 17 (01:14:32):
Well, it's like I was, like you were when it
was happening on radio talking about it. And you know, obviously,
you know, my gig is on CBC Music talking about music,
but I don't just talk about music.

Speaker 9 (01:14:47):
I talk about communities.

Speaker 17 (01:14:48):
I talk about you know, real people. And when I
would go to speak about it, I would really choke
up and I'd have to really, you know, take the
next three and a half minut so the next song.
So I was going to speak about it to kind
of catch my breath again. You know, when it hits,
when something like this hits so close to home, you

(01:15:10):
can't help but feel affected by it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
No question, let's what the whistle of the listeners and
the viewers. Maybe for CBC or INTV tonight of course
Viosia and Big Land of FMS. Well, don't have a
ticket but want to tune in. Who's going to perform?
What can we anticipate?

Speaker 17 (01:15:25):
Well, Buddy Wess the same and the other Fellers, which
is very exciting of course, SHANNIGANOK with Chris Andrews, the
and his sisters, Bud Davig Celtic Connection. It is going
to be, honestly, it's going to be two hours of
back to back bank bank bank highest entertainment.

Speaker 9 (01:15:46):
You know this province has to offer.

Speaker 17 (01:15:49):
I only wish, Patty, coming on here on open line
with you, that we could talk about something that we
disagree about, because I think that would be really, really fun.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
I'm always up for that. I'm kind of built for
it these days.

Speaker 18 (01:16:02):
Well, I know that sounds like lash.

Speaker 17 (01:16:04):
There's we have no opposing views about this interview that
we're about to do today.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Next time, Patty, next time, next time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
For sure, I believe the Fables are getting back together
tonight too.

Speaker 9 (01:16:14):
Absolutely so, I mean absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
He had another reason to tune in before I.

Speaker 17 (01:16:19):
Let you tune in right at the top because their
fables are kicking off.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
The show Wicked Love.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
So a side note, you know tomorrow is remember and
Stay and I know you've done some work in that arena.
If I'm not mistaken, you were in Kabul in Afghanistan
to sing to the troops. I think it was part
of Rick Mercer, specially, if I'm not mistaken. So obviously
wartime tunes and music. This sued the Savage beasts and
what music has meant to the veterans and for people

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at home during wartime. It's interesting that we can have
a lot of reflection on war and not just what
happened in the trenches. What happened in the sky is
what happened on the ocean.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
But they're all that music played.

Speaker 17 (01:16:57):
It's it's I actually had the wonderful opportunity to go
to Afghanistan twice with Rick Mercer, and I met the
most incredible people on the face of the earth there
are who are serving. I also, you know, when I
went to Beaumont Hamel, I thought about my grandmother's uncle

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who passed away. I met people in Afghanistan who just
after we left were killed. There's so much sacrifice that
you know, has got us to where we are today,
and what a beautiful moment every year to remember those
people and to usher in good luck to those people

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who are serving in the military today because as we know,
we don't know what tomorrow brings.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
No, we do not.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
It's always a pleasure to speak. If you look forward
to seeing around again soon, break a leg tonight.

Speaker 9 (01:17:54):
Thank you, my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
You're welcome, Dave, take care, Bye bye bye. Singer, songwriter,
radio host.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
She does mornings on CBC Radio or CBC Music and
of course hosting. We stand on guard once more this evening.
Let's get a break and let me come back. We're
going to continue to talk about remembered.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Say. The past president of the Legion is David Flanagan.
He's next than you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
This is open Line on the VOCM Bigland FM Radio network.
Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Let us go line Umber one sag one of the
past president of the Royal Canadian Legion. That's David Flanagan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Good morning, David, around the.

Speaker 19 (01:18:25):
Air, Good morning Patty, Good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Happy to do it.

Speaker 19 (01:18:31):
Yes, I I for several reasons I want to I
want to call in this morning. One especially is about
the debate designed to go with regards to wearing a puppy.
The judges have made a decision that because of judicial
reasons or whatever they're they're not going to wear a poppy,
or there might be a rule made whatever. I just
want to remind everybody that our soldiers, they died overseas,

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so we could wear a.

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
Poppy, and we wear the poppy to remember them.

Speaker 19 (01:18:57):
Don't bet the judiciary system changing Ready's mind.

Speaker 6 (01:19:01):
Put your poppy out and wear it very proudly.

Speaker 19 (01:19:04):
We as New Flanders no more than anyone.

Speaker 6 (01:19:08):
That we wear poppy very proudly.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Yeah, disproportionate loss of New Flanders is there for all
to see. I would also add to it, David Is,
the poppy campaign is critically important to fund the resources
that manage all of the operations at the World Canadian Legion.
It's a key time of year for the Legion. Like
most other organizations, the struggle is real. Like during the pandemic,

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the inability to rent out space, the loss of some
of that revenue is hard to replace. So, regardless of
your stance on war, regardless of your stance on any
of those related matters, if you have any if you
have any concern with veterans, veterans services and the place
to congregate and advocacy work to be done.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Get a poppy, put it on.

Speaker 19 (01:19:51):
Absolutely absolutely and Patty you know, leadia. Now we're saying
like legions are there's legions closing and whatever. But I
have in my mind everybody because I'm still on the
Minion Council as a past dominion president too, and I
get all the emails and the last four years we
have increased in membership. And that's because some of the

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smaller branches had to close down because it wasn't economically sound.

Speaker 6 (01:20:18):
For the keep it in this little community.

Speaker 19 (01:20:20):
But they they also stepped up and joined the next
community and made one big leagion that will survive, you know,
So like it's it's not all doom and gloom.

Speaker 6 (01:20:30):
Our membership is growing. We are.

Speaker 19 (01:20:33):
We went from five years ago to two hundred and
twenty thousand and now we're up almost up to two
hundred and sixty five thousand members.

Speaker 6 (01:20:42):
I mean that's quite a growth in that period of time.

Speaker 19 (01:20:46):
And you know, like I think everybody that has someone
that went went overseas and gave out or or signed
up to give all should support the Legion and a
lot do like I'm gonna get give you any example now,
I'm I'm I moved.

Speaker 6 (01:21:02):
Home from Labrador.

Speaker 19 (01:21:03):
I was in Labrador for forty six years and I
moved home here to a little.

Speaker 6 (01:21:07):
Community called Loam. And at this Legion here we were.
They were practically desperate. They lost the president.

Speaker 19 (01:21:16):
And uh and uh the building needed an.

Speaker 6 (01:21:19):
Astronomical amount of repairs.

Speaker 19 (01:21:21):
So they asked me to come on board to help
out and see could we turn it around. So we
assembled a team, quite a quite a fantastic team, I
might add, and and we went out to the public.
We went out to the families of our veterans and
our loved ones that went overseas and everything, and and
the businesses that are around the Bream Peninsula here and Patty,

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you would not believe the support we.

Speaker 20 (01:21:46):
Received last last week out our our biggest objective to
save the Legion was a very bad leaking route. And
last week we sell in the papers to finish a
brand new steel roof.

Speaker 6 (01:22:02):
Put on on the building.

Speaker 19 (01:22:04):
Uh and and most of that was given by families
of veterans in the Second World War. In the First
World War, we expected to be able to do one section.
This year, we've got the whole four sections of the
Legion done, completed and paid for. And I learned with
the government gave us some funding, but family is given

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thousands of dollars towards getting together and and their grandfather,
you know, was overseas or whatever, and they put their
hands in their pockets.

Speaker 6 (01:22:36):
They're still doing it to help us try to get.

Speaker 19 (01:22:38):
Heat pumps to get the building back up and running.
But we feel very, very strong with the help of
community coming together. I'll give you one example that is astronomical.

Speaker 6 (01:22:51):
Our our next to us.

Speaker 19 (01:22:53):
The next league is in viewing and it's Buring Brands
twenty nine. I sent them a letter in skimmy had
some spare funds could try to help support our replacing.

Speaker 6 (01:23:05):
The roof on our building or whatever.

Speaker 19 (01:23:08):
And you will not believe this, but they wrote a
check for ten thousand dollars to help us. I mean
to me, it's showing, yes.

Speaker 6 (01:23:17):
It's wicked.

Speaker 19 (01:23:17):
It's showing that people are coming together, the small communities
are trying to save what we have in our small communities.

Speaker 6 (01:23:25):
And especially when you got something so.

Speaker 19 (01:23:28):
Historic as your grandfather picture standing on the wall. And
I go into the Legion and I see my grandfather
and great grandfather, and my brother's on the walls there
and myself. I mean, I'm a vector myself and I.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
Feel it.

Speaker 19 (01:23:45):
I don't look around to see pictures. I feel it
and just great here now we feel it very strong
that we have saved this league in here and I'm
just asking every person in Newfoundland and Labrador we're a
poppy what they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
I appreciate the time this morning, David, thanks for doing.

Speaker 6 (01:24:04):
It, no problem. Thank you very much for having me
on there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Patty, my pleasure, all the best, Bye bye, as they were.
Flannagain the past president of the league. And before we
get to the newscast, let's go to LNE number three morning.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
Now you're on the air. Come on, Betty yeap.

Speaker 21 (01:24:23):
Yes, by On College is borning By from Saint Brides.
Regarding the Algon College disgraced. I went down with the
community wells or for our teaching welles that we was
drilled by the council. Was the ex council Now there
were a couple of months ago. There's nothing unless Paddy
Bye is a disgrace to say the least. But I'm
hoping that I remember. Sure we got on the wells

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listening to my conversation right now, and that you'll be
able to come on. I've challenged her to comme on
and explaining to the people of Saint Bride's the boy
in the name of God, that the four wells will
put on bribe with property and the two will put
on the x mayors. Thank God ra Alex. Now they
over voted out of the council because of the dog
that was down with the people and the residents of

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the community, Saint Bride's and the X Mayor's property and
the ex mayor's products property was still wells put and
there's only one as of now, there's only a little
local Mountipodio drilled and there's only three wells that he
would now and this is number well Number one, Paddy
is nine girdles for minutes. Will Number two is twenty

(01:25:27):
five girdles for minutes. Well number three is eight cattles
for minutes. That's what slipt and they could have put
the wells up and a high elevation in the coming
into the community of Saint Bride's and one man eighty white.
I was talking to him and he's getting forty five
almost forty six cals at minutes, and I was starting
to Sherry Kevil Welsh. I told her death. He told

(01:25:47):
her that, and she told us Albert L listen, you
cannot them wells. Yes to get in good bottle, mister
whit's getting good bottle of both. We cannot put the
taxpayers wells on private properties. So I'm ski now as
the member of Cherry Gamler Welsh for our area to
come on open line or to make it known to
the people of Saint Bride's. A while ago she told

(01:26:11):
me ill I know, we'll go to my handrew tired.
I kept you not like it elected?

Speaker 6 (01:26:14):
Well, you know what.

Speaker 21 (01:26:15):
So that was the fourteenth of December of October the
electure was. So she's in now going on. She's in
a lot of time now, lots of time to make
a call to the RCMP or to somebody. But disgrace
went down with the tax payers money. And this is
not this is not bad enough for the in the
study to this compatty, the viral feasibility study is estimated

(01:26:36):
two casts, three hundred and sixty three thousand dollars. And
if then it goes on, if the wells are deemed
feasible and accepted by the people of same pride. The
people have addressed in that same pride could potentially see
clean safe water in two thousand and twenty eight. Now

(01:26:58):
this is after this is the spends three hundred and
sixty three thousand dollars in a year to go to
do a study. Now they've got what we got spent
right now, wait till the day, well maybe thirty thousand
by now for the wells twenty seven thousand as of November.

Speaker 9 (01:27:15):
The polty got spent.

Speaker 21 (01:27:16):
So they got another that leaves them with the barrels
of three hundred and thirty six thousand dollars to literally
destroy within a year to go on to do a
peaceability study. And if the same price is deemed peaceable
after all that, when that mone is destroyed, we could
potentially see the clean save twenty twenty eight. Like they
literally they Council of same points. Hey god, they got

(01:27:37):
out of that got folded up to dot just what
they don't like, as all have been done, everythings have
been done patty in same boys to stop the people
from getting their drop of water. Because since nineteen seventy two,
the counciltin the same pride, and they've got some hundreds
of thousands of dollars, and the disgrace keeps going on
and on. On the north side a few year ago
be put in a million dollar water line and put

(01:27:59):
right now three hundred feet and uh fire hydrant. I
put in two main idols, the main bottlelidger in brench
and Mary's bag. They put in two jobs, two different
ones about the moon million dollars, one on one side.
And then we continued down with another million dollar line,
and every three hundred feet I could not pass it.
The engineer would be there. All you got to come back, Peter, say,

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what's hold on here?

Speaker 6 (01:28:21):
What goes here?

Speaker 21 (01:28:22):
Another fire hundred? But you know what, they put a
million dollars on the south side of the same bride's
water line and never put in moon fire hundreds. So
Sherry Gambler Welshore members literally been lacked that she put
and supplied the money for the people. The lessons are
the same pots to get water. The money is certainly there,
the money is not an option, and there's good water

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and the same pride. They went around and detested all
the wells. My bottle gotta win thirty gallons for thirty
two minutes. They never went handy to death. They went
out dye white is getting forty six carols a minute.
They never went handy to that.

Speaker 6 (01:28:54):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
They put one on the.

Speaker 21 (01:28:56):
Marriage property and the marriage product property. That was a
needle whale within houses, a feat that was have been
tested to say that was any go to any water there?
You know, so what in the day magad is going on?
So it's time for Sherry Gannon went to come clean
with the people and give us go I to go
with them. Wills now stop once in for hour and
say you know what, but whatever costs, let the counselors

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for them, make them put the money back in the
community councilor of Saint Bois. But it is grace that
you don't because either that or either that she's all
of a sudden, it's right now. She told me once
you're getting elected before when you go around campaign in October,
that wasn't allowed. We cannot put taxpayers money Wales. I'm
triple property. So now they did so we should right

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today because they donors or is it that's all a
master on holiday?

Speaker 6 (01:29:43):
Come I'm an answer.

Speaker 21 (01:29:43):
Now did he give right because of who Donald or
what all the councilors.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
Okay, you know this place.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
I'm not even sure what a member of the House
of Assembly can do about it in and after the
fact fashion, but she's welcome to come on and speak
to it if she's so inclined. Here this morning, I'm
late for the news AU, but I push at your time.
Thanks for calling.

Speaker 6 (01:30:02):
Okay, thank you, You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
Bye bye, I just get that news, guest, don't go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
This is open line now the VOCM Bigland FM Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number four. Michelle,
you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (01:30:16):

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
How are you doing great? How about you?

Speaker 11 (01:30:20):
Well, I've had a very stressful weekend along with at
least five.

Speaker 18 (01:30:25):
Hundred or more student assistants.

Speaker 11 (01:30:27):
What I'm calling about this morning, I'm calling out Jerry Arrow,
who is the president of NATE, and I'm calling.

Speaker 18 (01:30:33):
Out mister Din from new Land Schools.

Speaker 13 (01:30:36):
Minister Din.

Speaker 11 (01:30:37):
The reason why I'm calling is that on Friday we
received an email from payroll stating that we would.

Speaker 18 (01:30:46):
Not be receiving our full pay this Thursday.

Speaker 11 (01:30:49):
Today is a stat holiday. Tomorrow is a stat holiday.
They are withholding our pay today November the tenth, and
we will not be receiving it on tell November twenty seventh.

Speaker 8 (01:31:01):
Now, I'm sure every.

Speaker 11 (01:31:03):
Other government employee in Newfoundland and Labrador is receiving their
full pay this week, except student assistants that work with
our most vulnerable children.

Speaker 12 (01:31:16):
For New Poland.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Schools, Michelle, I wonder why this is because last year
there was a pay period that went by the way
side too and a turnout was incorrect input by whoever
was responsible there do we know?

Speaker 11 (01:31:27):
Well, well, that's one of the questions I have. Why
is this happening, who is responsible for this happening.

Speaker 18 (01:31:36):
And how is it going to be rectified.

Speaker 11 (01:31:38):
Jerry Earl did put out a letter to Newfoualand schools
stating that it is disgusting.

Speaker 18 (01:31:45):
How we are being treated.

Speaker 11 (01:31:47):
But my question is if it is so disgusting, how
do we rectify this situation.

Speaker 21 (01:31:52):
And what do we do about it.

Speaker 11 (01:31:54):
We have at least over five hundred student assistants in
this province and as you seen on Friday, there was
an NTV news clip about Boren that they do not
have enough student assistant That is going on right across
our province. We have issues with payroll wages, smart finds,

(01:32:14):
lunch breaks.

Speaker 18 (01:32:15):
Bussing, and I don't know what needs to happen for.

Speaker 11 (01:32:19):
Something to be done to rectify this situation so.

Speaker 18 (01:32:23):
That this doesn't happen again in their future.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Yeah, I'll try to find out exactly what the reason
is for this, but I'm pretty sure I'm recalling the
last time this happened is that the information was input
incorrectly and consequently there was a stall.

Speaker 11 (01:32:39):
Our email states shore it interrupt you. The email states
that is brought to our attention that new commands schools
that the date of November tenth will not be included
in your upcoming paycheck, So that means our student assistance
in this province will only be getting nine days pay
on Thursday. We have parents that are single parents. We

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have people out there that work for the government and
they are not getting their paycheck that they count on
like everybody else, to pay bills, get food, pay rent, mortgages, groceries.

Speaker 18 (01:33:16):
Now they are only getting a nine day paycheck.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
The point I'm making is I'll try to find out
why that's the case because of November tenth was left
off and incorrectly overlooked as being input for this pay period.
That's one thing. If there's a gliitch in the matrix,
that's another thing. So I'm sorry to hear this, but
my summary point is I'll try to find out what happened.

Speaker 11 (01:33:41):
Absolutely, and I would like for you to do that,
But I would also like for it to be rectified
before Thursday so that we can get our ten day
pay that we justifiably deserve.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Of course you do, you know you did the work,
you deserve the pay, so I can chase This is
probably going to be relatively easy to come up with
answers to the question that I have in the question
that you have, and in so far as things being rectified.
That's where a government payroll becomes extremely tricky. If there's
a mistake made. The only next real opportunity I have
to rectify it is next pay period, unless they're going

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to take on some extraordinary exercise of you know, casting
a one off check for one day to student assistance.
So part of me two yes student assistants, and I'll
find out and I'll see if there's any more information
I can get say by the time the show is over.
If not, I'll try try to get it and speak
to it in the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
How's that.

Speaker 11 (01:34:31):
I appreciate that, But just one little more note. So
if indeed it goes on our twenty seven paycheck, so
that does that not mean then more taxes are taken
out of our paycheck.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Yeah, but it won't pump you up and pay scale.
So it will be more taxes on that check taken off,
but it won't end up in more annual taxes being
taken off because you didn't change tax brackets because of
one day being put on another trick.

Speaker 18 (01:34:54):
I get yes, I fully understand that. I fully understand that.

Speaker 12 (01:34:58):
Okay, so you will you will.

Speaker 8 (01:34:59):
Try to find out.

Speaker 18 (01:35:01):
For me what we need to do to rectify the situation. Absolutely, Okay,
thank you so much for paving for your.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
Time, my pleasure, Michelle. Thanks for calling bye bye.

Speaker 9 (01:35:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
I can't get out in front of our government CANA.
I cannot do here.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
But in the past, when payroll mistakes have been made,
it's a catch up next pay period, and I want
to pack the tax brackets so you'll see more taxes
come out of that check because of one additional day
of pay So yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
And in addition to that, a caller earlier I think
may brief mentioned that I didn't really latch onto it
at the time because he was on a roll about
the Phoenix pay system that continues to be a problem
that is amazing to me, so could not figure it out.
In addition to that, when federal employees were getting underpaid
or overpaid or not paid at all, they eventually had

(01:35:49):
a lump sum come their way. But that's after people
had maxed out their credit cards, after they maxed out
their line of credit, after they were delinquent on the
mortgage payments. So that won little lump sum to we
all fall to their own put in extremely precarious positions
because we couldn't figure out a payroll system.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Remarkable.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Let's get a break and let me come back. Andrews
in the energy business, Kaylab wants to talk about the
mental health system. Verna's across the tickle to talk about
the ferry service. Then one of the newly elected members
representing Virgil Laporta's Michael King.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
He's in the Q as well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Don't Go Away is open line on the VOCM Bigland
FM radio network.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number five.
Good morning, Verna, you're on the air.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Good morning to you in a while.

Speaker 8 (01:36:33):
Since that hurt from you, are you heard from me?

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Rather, I was going to say, since I heard from
you before we talked about the ferry and the course
the tickle itself. Just want to add this little piece
of history. So today is the fiftieth anniversary the record
the Edmund Fitzgerald, but today is the eighty fifth anniversary
or the collision between the Garland and the Golden Dawn
which collided in the tickle. Twenty three people were killed,
only twelve other bodies were recovered. So just a bit

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of history about the tickle, that is correct.

Speaker 8 (01:37:02):
The reason I'm calling today is a lack of service
on the island, not due to weather. The Lesionaire has
gone to long Pond technical issues. Can stay here in
the cove, or can stay on bell Island because they
are doing work the dock over in bell Ot, so

(01:37:24):
of course the Lesionaire would be in the way, so
they had to set it up to long pond, which
takes it longer to be looked at. We'll take it longer,
maybe back here by the time they get it fixed.
The Beaumont is still having its bow truster issues. This
is going on what week five, We don't know what

(01:37:46):
it is, why it's not fixed, So that can go
down at any time because that's on a transport Canada
regulations now, but it can't run its normal run on
the two goal, but they will send it all the
way to Baye.

Speaker 10 (01:38:03):
Roberts to Perk.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
So not weather related, but it is mechanical and infrastructure related. Right,
So is your biggest concern that not knowing having a
timeline to consider, or the fact that they had to
prepare the war for the bow thrust as still are
a working well all of the.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
Above, I guess okay.

Speaker 8 (01:38:23):
And the thing is having some answers, having some plans
in order for backup because this here about this here
Bomon goes down because about thrusters, we have no vota dolt,
there's no backup.

Speaker 9 (01:38:41):
And the other.

Speaker 8 (01:38:45):
Now I know we are still liberal. Fred got in
on in our district, the PCs are in. We have
not heard anything from them in regards to what the
faery going on, what they plan on doing. Are they
checking into management for what? Lack of what they're doing,

(01:39:09):
Why they're not doing the answers. They should have the
correct protocol putting people into these management positions that are
qualified and have experience and getting rid of the ones
that don't seem to because they're still not doing anything.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Yeah, I'm almost tired saying this, but I'm going to
keep saying it is.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
It's the lack of answers, even if it's something that
Bernard does not want to hear regarding those Bowot thrusters
and parts on order or how long it's going to
take the repair of war for why the legionaire had
to go to long Pot. You know, just an answer
is better than silence now, whether or not the incoming govern.

Speaker 8 (01:39:48):
Transfers what open and transparency is what they went with
this here election promise and we need open and transparency.

Speaker 10 (01:39:57):
This is our life.

Speaker 8 (01:39:59):
We have to have that got plans, I mean, you
take it. I left Bell Island on two on Thursday
to go for an appointment on Saturday in Whitburn because
I was unsure if I could even get off the island.

Speaker 17 (01:40:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:40:17):
I know there was weather, but not only weather in
regards to.

Speaker 10 (01:40:22):
What is really going on?

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Yeah, and I don't know the answer. And plus you
know your member is still the same. Fred Houghton did
indeed get back into conception based Belle Island, the incoming
government and the transition continues. It's unfortunate that given the
court cases, which I don't begrudge the candidates who have
challenged or asking for judicial recount, but it will see
a stall in the House of Assembly being reopened. Premier

(01:40:47):
Awaken was clear until all those issues are resolved, we
won't see the house open, even though plenty of work
can go on behind the scenes obviously, So I get
your concern and I'll see if I can't get the answers.
But it's it's been extreme, really difficult getting answered when
we talk about specific fairy yes.

Speaker 8 (01:41:03):
And the big thing is Patty is they want to
save money, they want to stop the waste of the
only way they're going to do it is to get
the proper answers from the proper people. And if they
don't have the proper people, you're never going to get
the proper answers, you're never going to get the proper
work done, and you'll never get the money spend sufficiently

(01:41:25):
and correct And they know, like as far as wakem
he knows, he already advertised it, going forward, going forward,
going forward. If I get in, if I get in, well,
get on the news, get in and let us know
what's going on. The people deserve to know, not that

(01:41:45):
we deserve to know eyes.

Speaker 21 (01:41:49):
We just need to know the truth.

Speaker 8 (01:41:51):
Really, what is happening.

Speaker 18 (01:41:53):
When I ask them for miracles, we need to know.

Speaker 8 (01:41:56):
This is our life that is standing in line. This
is our our health, this is our education, this is
our jobs.

Speaker 18 (01:42:04):
Enough is enough, fair enough?

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Anything else?

Speaker 8 (01:42:07):
This morning verna at shifting Petty, I appreciate the VOCM
and open lines. Thank you, you have a great day.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
The same to you, bye bye, and you know, just
very quickly, one of the campaign pledges made by now
Premier Wakem is to build four new fairies to service
exactly what runs not entirely sure and to build them here.
It does beg a few questions, because look, I get
in serious trouble whenever I mentioned this, But there are
questions to be asked about the ongoing into the medium

(01:42:39):
and long term about the viability of some communities. And
that's not to be mean spirited, because even if you
just look at the number of young families that are
not in these communities, the economic opportunities for some communities
that are not there, or they're being diminished over time.
It is time for a legitimate, honest conversation about that.
I'm not talking about force relocate because obviously didn't work

(01:43:02):
the last go around, and the whole concept of regionalization
and regional governments that's gone by the wayside. Government doesn't
have any appetite for that, although I can't say that.
Maybe the Tories do, but the Liberals didn't and it
went by the wayside. So plenty to consider there. Let's
go to line number one. Kayla, you're around the air, Hi, Patty,
how are you this morning?

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
I'm okay? How about you?

Speaker 22 (01:43:25):
I'm okay. I wanted to talk about health, the mental
health system, okay, three times last last week and the
week before and last night I took overdoses and they

(01:43:45):
don't do this. They brought me into the health science
Saint Clair's and they don't do nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
So just a quick question, and if it's too personal
to answer, what have you been overdosing?

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Non Kayla?

Speaker 22 (01:44:05):
My medications okay, and my medications in some of my
moms and medications.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
Kayla. Have you so you mentioned Saint Clair's. Have you
presented yourself to the new Mental Health and Addictions Facility.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
I'm gonna go the other day, okay. So, and look,
these are very tricky conversations.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
So if it's a purposeful overdose, are you having what
people refer to as suicide ideations? Are you thinking about
hurting herself? Or has this been accidental or what's happening?

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Kayla, I'm.

Speaker 22 (01:44:43):
I want My two grandparents passed away the same same
mair in twenty twenty two, and this is what's triggering it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
I'm really sorry to hear that. So listen, do me
a favor. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
If you can't, when you hang up speaking with me
this morning, please go straight to the new mental health
and Additions facility which is right there in the health
science is complex and tell him what you told me
and hopefully gets someone to speak here because that's really
where this conversation needs to be had. So there's obviously
some crisis lines that you can call, including eight one one,

(01:45:22):
so you know, maybe make that quick call to eight
one one, gets some advice, and then go directly to
the new treatment facility right there off the parkway here
in the city of Saint John's. You are in St.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
John's Eery, Kayla, Yes, okay.

Speaker 22 (01:45:35):
So, and if my friend is who listening, he can
call in and tell you. I tell you exactly to
watch being going out with me if my friend Paul
is listening, and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Welcome to call if he likes. And of course times
are very difficult. There's a lot of traumatic issues that
we think about and we talk about.

Speaker 7 (01:46:00):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
But I do want to you know, whether it be
to call eight one one just to get some help,
whether it be called nine eight eight, which is a
suicide prevention or suicide crisis helpline. So I'll give you
those two numbers to consider and see if you can
remember those nine eight eight eight one one, and please
do get some in person help today if possible. Can
you do that?

Speaker 20 (01:46:22):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
I can, so please do.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
That and let me know how you're doing if you
don't mind sometime in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Can you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:46:30):
Will?

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:46:33):
Dog?

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
You say hello to your dog for me? What's your
dog's name?

Speaker 11 (01:46:38):
His name is?

Speaker 8 (01:46:40):
Is?

Speaker 9 (01:46:40):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
Sorry?

Speaker 22 (01:46:42):
Teddy, petty, pey, teddy?

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
Nice?

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
What kind of dog is it? Okay, nothing wrong with
that at all, So Kayla, try to remember those numbers
or write them down. Nine eight eight is an important
one eight one one, and please do indeed present yourself
and tell them what you told me, and I wish
you nothing but the best.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
Let me know how you're doing.

Speaker 22 (01:47:07):
Okay, I'll let you know next week.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
Okay, Kayla, hang in there, Kenny said, Hi, Okay, high back.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Oh all right, So there we go. Let's get a
break in for the news. Don't go away?

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
Is open line now. I'm the vocm big Land FM
Radio Network.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
As father and son persons held Burjo Lapoil as Liberals
for the last twenty six years, Michael King ran for
the Liberals and hell Bergio O Lapoil and joins us
on line number six.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Good morning, Michael, you're on the air.

Speaker 12 (01:47:41):
Hey, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 7 (01:47:42):
How are you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
That's bad? How about you?

Speaker 12 (01:47:44):
I'm good, Thanks and thanks for taking my call this morning.
Before I got into the topic at hand, I just
want to say a big thank you to the residents
of Bergio Lapol for putting their support and trust in
me as their next MHA and I certainly want to
let them know that I'll be there to support them
and advocate for them wherever I can and do the
best I can for this district for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
The you know, sometimes it comes across as a small
but in some more rural parts of Canada, cell phone
coverage is still a big conversation because it's not just
the you know, the frustration with not getting the service
that you pay for, but it has a lot to
do with public safety. It has a lot to do
as to whether or not business will come to town
because if they don't have five speed broadband and rerival
cell phones, that's one of the boxes that they will check.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
So where are we on that front, Michael, Yeah, No.

Speaker 12 (01:48:28):
Certainly in cell phone coverage is something that I heard
on the campaign trail a lot. You know, in the
very rural district cam In Burgi of La pol there's
a number of communities and especially the Burgioll Highway and
communities damn Route four seventy that have no cell phone
service at all. So that is a significant concern and
something that I heard on a campaign trail. You know,
I think we need to go to the cell phone
company specifically and say to them, you know, what kind

(01:48:49):
of plan could you put in place to help address
some of these immediate concerns. I know there is you
know a lot of times business cases to be made
for cell phone towers, you know, geography places magnificant role
in setting up You can't basically set up a cell
phone tower in every community, more or less from the
telecom company's perspective. So we need to have more dialogue,
more conversations with them to see what we can do

(01:49:11):
to address these concerns, because, like you say, Patty, in
most cases it's a safety concern for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
Absolutely, So correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
Was there not a pilot project about boosting the signal
down the Burgill Highway last year?

Speaker 12 (01:49:22):
Yes, there was a pilot project done. There was two
Wi Fi spots set up basically, so there's a Wi
Fi connection in two locations on the Virgill Highway where
residents could pull off and connect to Wi Fi to
make calls if need be. You know, I think that
was a bit of successful endeavor for sure. But it's
not an immediate can address immediate solution to address the

(01:49:43):
bigger issue of cell phone coverage, for sure. But it
is a solution on that highway.

Speaker 7 (01:49:48):
Yeah, right now.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
Do you have any evidence about how it worked though,
you know, whether it be you know, expanding the geographical
footprint of reliable service on a cell phone or anything
that we can latch onto because I know there's ten
more pilots for the next the next season as well,
So it'd be nice to know how they worked, whether
or not they're a meaningful investment or it is just
the band aid.

Speaker 12 (01:50:08):
Yeah, I would like to be It would be interesting
to hear from government directly to see and I would
encourage them to continue on the pilot project because, like
I said, I think over the summer I heard from
residents directly that it did work, and especially visitors to
the community enjoyed it as well, being able to connect
if anything went on or just to touch base with
family members. So I would like to see those numbers

(01:50:28):
for sure, to see exactly how it was. The bigger
the bigger picture of the pilot project.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
Yeah, I'd be curious to see it as well. And
you know, talk about public safety, it's not just if
you get to say, for instance, a flat tire or
hit a moose or whatever the case may be. Even
when we talk about evacuees and in your area would
have been Fiona and in the recent wildfire season, folks
up in the north Shore and they're told to get
their information and then you know, sign up for the
alerts but if your cell phone doesn't work and the

(01:50:53):
coverages and there, then the alert is unavailable. So there's
a lot more to it than this, uh. In your
community as well. I think there's a direct impact that's
pending with the National Marine Conservation Area. Do you hear
much about that there, because when aguaculture came to town,
in large part, it was an economic savior for the region.

Speaker 12 (01:51:13):
No, definitely, Patty, And that was certainly something I wanted
to call to talk about today because I know that's
been a topic on your show and in the district
as well. I heard it a lot in the campaign
once again, but in the Virgio and Ramia area specifically
and up along the coast. You know, Patty, this was
something that was driven by community way back in two
thousand and one, two thousand and two, I think the

(01:51:34):
town of Burgio started initiating these conversations for an MoU.
So it's been many, many years getting to this point,
and I think they were using it.

Speaker 21 (01:51:43):
You know, rural.

Speaker 12 (01:51:44):
Communities are looking for different options to thrive and survive,
and I think they looked at this as an out
of the box solution to see and explore what kind
of viable future they could have for the area. You know,
tourism plays a big role in real communities throughout ju
Lapoul and the province of New Atlanta and Labrador. So
I think the town started with this to explore option.

(01:52:05):
You know, Patty, none of this is done, none of
this is finalized, and it's going to take a long
time to get to the point that that's happened. You know,
we've heard a lot of conversations about communication has been poor.
You know, Parks Canada has been leading that part, and
I have to say myself, I've been disappointed with some
of the communication and I've stated that during the campaign
and to residents and to the committees involved. So that's

(01:52:25):
something we need to improve. And we know that Premier
Wakem made an announcement, you know, outside of my district
that is affected by the NMCA, to say that he
was going to stop the NMCA. So I am aware
that the Town of Virgil and the Tanna Ramia have
reached out for meetings with ministers and the premier, and
I would encourage the Premier before he makes any decision
to get all the facts, talk to these groups, talk

(01:52:46):
to the communities directly. He has not spoken to the
communities in my district about this at all. So, you know,
a government for all of us is what we heard
during the campaign. So I hope that's not a government
for all of us excluding my community.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Inny Parks, Canada doesn't come back to town because the
confusion reign supremire. They've done an environmental and a cultural assessment,
but not an economic impact assessment too, and that should
be part of the equation, you know. And someone all
yell at the radio. Money is not to be all
and end all, No, but it's part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
It is part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
And you know you mentioned tourism at the same time.
Would a National Conservation Area be a boost for tourism
versus a negative impact on tourism.

Speaker 12 (01:53:23):
You know, Patty, And that's right. You know, they're they're
exploring all the options about this too. To explore is
the economic impact and you know what jobs can be
created through the through an n m c A. You know,
one of the components of the NMCA that's not brought
up a lot is the first federal tertiary park, that's
the Sambanks Provincial Park could become a part of the
provincial of the federal government. So that would see significant

(01:53:44):
investment into the park, significant upgrades to the park that
would help bring more people to the area. So we
want to, you know, we want to keep the dialogue going.
I think it's important. You know, I've heard concerns from
the f FAW. I know there's concerns from the aquaculture
industry as well. I have not shout to them yet,
but certainly plan on reaching out to those groups to
hear their concerns because I think it's important for us

(01:54:05):
as elected officials to listen to everyone, consult collaborate on this.
You know, there's a lot of conversation, a lot of
dialogue left to go, and I don't think stopping it
right now does anything to benefit anyone, because you know,
we're looking for options, like I said earlier, for survival
and to thrive in our communities. And if we're just
going to look at communities sort of have in proper

(01:54:26):
dialogue and saying no, then where are we going to
go in the future here?

Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
I mean what not? People are in favor of the
aguaculture industry regarding the environmental impact. Just last week they
did put out their economic impact statement about the what
the industry has looked like over the last two decades plus,
and what the future might look like if indeed this
National Marine Conservation Area becomes a thing. Anything else on
your plate this morning, Michael.

Speaker 12 (01:54:50):
Before we say goodbye, yeah, no, certainly, I want to say,
you know, I'm not against aguaculture obviously either. Patty, I
know has provided significant investment and supportmunities in rural communities
in the province. But I think it's important we just
continue this dialogue. I don't think it's the right thing
to just say no and shut it all down. There
is a lot of work to do on this. Like
I mentioned, it's not going to happen tomorrow. It's not

(01:55:12):
going to be finalized in the month. This is years away.
But we need to continue a good dialogue to see
where this goes.

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
I appreciate the time, Michael, thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:55:20):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
Patty welcome, Bye bye. Michael King is the new Liberal
member for Virgio Lapoil. Let's see here, let's get to
our final break of the morning. When we come back,
we're going to speak with the manager for manager of
Connections for Seniors. They've got a donation drive on the go.
That's Kylie Harvey. And then as you say right there
to talk about energy, don't go.

Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
Away is open line on the VOCM Bigland FM radio network.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
Welcome back to good lne Er one second the morning
to the manager of Connections for Seniors. That's Kyli or
Harvey Carle are on the air.

Speaker 17 (01:55:51):
Hi, good morning, how are.

Speaker 3 (01:55:52):
You right today? How about you?

Speaker 17 (01:55:55):
I'm fabulous, thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
I'm happy to have you in the program. I know
what Connections is, but plenty of people listening don't. Then
we'll get into the donation drive. What do you do
at Connections?

Speaker 17 (01:56:06):
Connections for Seniors is based out of Saint John's and
we are the only organization that specifically serves our senior population.
Are on house seniors in the community. So we have
two shelters directly in Saint john So I manage.

Speaker 13 (01:56:22):
Our large shelter on Patrick Street.

Speaker 17 (01:56:25):
So we just got our occupancy permit to have thirty
five people from sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
In so far as the shelter system goes, we have
a bit of a hybrid. It's a pretty disconnected scene
out there. What kind of additional support has done at
rolf over your head as rat Connections?

Speaker 17 (01:56:43):
So we are we have a great center here so
we have a housing center, so we have case management
who works with people to reintegrate back into community. So
we work on those specific barriers. Each person is different,
so everybody has their own story, so we have a
really one full team of individuals who kind of help
on that reintegration. So we have a pharmacist that comes in,

(01:57:06):
we have harm reduction that come in. We have outreach
supports from and homelessness. We have people that work with
individuals and encampments people that are in community. We have
a transportation program, we have a food program for seniors
in the community as well as this is just a
really great place for people to connect.

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
Yeah. I mean, I'm pretty familiar with what goes on
down there, but it's an organization that doesn't get a
whole lot of airtime. So I thought we'd cover the
bases with that particular question office that. Yeah, so let's
talk about the donation drive. What are you doing?

Speaker 7 (01:57:40):
What do you need?

Speaker 17 (01:57:42):
So, like I said, we just got our occupancy permit
to go from sixteen people to thirty five. So we're
right downtown. We're in a beautiful historical home and right now,
due to us being very new in this building, I've
now come on as the manager and it's time to
make some nice, beautiful change. Is one of those changes
is I really want to make a room that is

(01:58:03):
the heart of our organization, so somewhere that is comfortable
for people to sit and connect and you know, watch
movies and play games, as well as have our community
partners come in and give us some programs out and
make sure that everybody's NEETs or being met while they're

(01:58:25):
transitioning back into community. So right now, we don't really
have a space that's comfortable. Being unhoused is very very
difficult as well as it can be very very difficult
on your body, especially when you're in the autumn of
your years. So to create a safe, comfortable spot for
connection is really what we're going for. So we're having

(01:58:46):
a donation drive, so monetary donation that we are going
to use to make sure that we have the correct
furnishings for people who can get comfortable in this space
as well as for games and kind of stimulating activities
things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
Are you looking for donations outside of monetary donations like
beds or frames, or addresses or side tables or anything
like that. Night tables, No Unfortunately.

Speaker 17 (01:59:12):
I'm not able to, so I have to make sure
that the furniture that we have is going to be
leather just for sanitary reason. So I have to have
something that I'm able to wipe down. So unfortunately that
will have to be new. However, I'm always happy to
get clothes and books and games and anything like that, movies, TV,
things like that, but when it comes to the furniture,

(01:59:33):
it has to be very specific.

Speaker 3 (01:59:34):
For our seniors understood.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
So if people want to participate, what's next.

Speaker 12 (01:59:39):
So they can get a hold of me directly.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
I also have there's our.

Speaker 17 (01:59:45):
Facebook page has a big write up there.

Speaker 8 (01:59:47):
We also have a website www.

Speaker 17 (01:59:50):
Dot Connections for Seniors dot ca, so there is a
link there to make a donation as well as they
can contact me directly my number seven on nine nine
eighty six two one two four, So if they want
to bring donations down to Patrick Street or if they
want to call me and we can kind of work
something out.

Speaker 9 (02:00:09):
We are open to anything.

Speaker 17 (02:00:12):
The community of Saint John's has been unbelievable with anything
that we've ever asked for the community is always rearing
to help, which has been a beautiful thing to see.

Speaker 23 (02:00:22):
So I'm very excited about this and hopefully this donation
drive goes well. I appreciate your time, Carly, thank you,
thank you, Patty, welcome by bye. Kearlie Harvey, manager of
Connections for Seniors and you mentioned Seniors' Housing, just had
a ribbon cotting for thirty two units for affordable seniors
living Happy.

Speaker 3 (02:00:39):
Valley, Goose Bay.

Speaker 2 (02:00:40):
There's going to be a garden, so I look at
a community garden for the seniors to grow their own food.
There's apparently a healing force garden walking trail that's going
to be part of it. There was some pushback initially
about the construction of those units, but thankfully they are
now built and residents are starting to flow in. Let's
go to line number two andrew around the air.

Speaker 7 (02:01:00):
I've mean listen for quite a while. You have a
really complicated job. So days I just wanted to touch
the subject of the MoU and it's really frustrating hearing
people bad mouth Joey about what he did to get

(02:01:21):
us the Churchill Falls contract with Quebec in the early sixties.
He actually sat down and asked a whole bunch of people,
what are the questions I need to understand. And there
were two questions. One is what's the price of energy
going to do? And what's the price of construction going
to do? And he put two committees together and they

(02:01:42):
went out and researched this, and both of them started
at nineteen eleven and they produced a report that said,
the cost of electricity has been going down and down
and down ever since nineteen eleven, and the cost of
construction has been going up and up and up ever
since nineteen eleven. And there was a point where those

(02:02:05):
two lines cross and it was like four years in
the future where it would not be viable to build
Churchill Falls. And when Quebec came along and said, hey,
we'll do it, Joey arranged, based on the price of
electricity to charge a certain amount to Quebec. Well that

(02:02:31):
was above the cost of electricity at the time. We
were going to make a lot of money.

Speaker 6 (02:02:36):
Out of this.

Speaker 7 (02:02:37):
It was a great deal. On the day it was signed,
it was locked in absolutely securely with one of the
most secure the constitutional contracts that had ever been written.
Do you know who wrote that?

Speaker 9 (02:02:54):
Who?

Speaker 6 (02:02:54):
Paddy Who?

Speaker 7 (02:02:57):
That would be Clyde.

Speaker 2 (02:02:58):
Wells impact on energy at that time, though, was the
lack of foresight as to how high the price of
bowl of.

Speaker 3 (02:03:06):
Oil was climb.

Speaker 7 (02:03:08):
Well, what happened was the Arab oil embargo. That was
what changed the price of energy, and so the cost
of electricity soared for the consumer. But because the contract
was locked in at a fixed value for Quebec, they

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had a great deal. But nobody knew that was going
to be a great deal at design. Joey didn't make
a mistake. He did the right thing. Unfortunately, history has
proved that we get information and we act on that
and then all of a sudden that information changes. So
I really don't like to hear people bad mouthing Joey.

(02:03:50):
He actually tried to do the best he could for
the province. Good job. Now, the other part of this
is I want to put a visual in your head.
I saw a video the other day. Eight puppies had
been released into a room where there was a bowl
of food, and they all attacked the bowl of food

(02:04:11):
and they were all eating from the same ball, and
they're all walking in circles around the ball, each trying
to get as much as they possibly can. And it
sort of reminds me of people who talk about what
we're going to get out of the molu. Everybody has
the mouthful of food that they want to take and

(02:04:33):
they don't see the whole big picture. From what I've seen,
people just talk about, Oh, the price that we're going
to get for the electricity, or what's it going to
cost us to do this. KAAC is going to pay
for the construction, they should probably get something back for it.
And KABAC is going to make this huge investment in

(02:04:55):
the future of Newfoundland. But they're actually suggesting that Newfoundland
deserves more money than it's been getting. That's fine, it's
not a perfect arrangement. We don't know what's going to
happen in the future. Everybody wants tore bite of food
out of that bowl. Yeah, nobody's sitting down and going

(02:05:18):
we got the whole bowl to look at. We've got
the cost of construction, We've got the no project has
ever gone to budget. We're throwing money at this, well,
we're not throwing money at it. Quebec is throwing the
money at the construction.

Speaker 3 (02:05:38):
Well just that call.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
I mean, we're throwing money at the expansion, at the
Opera Churchill, We're throwing money at transmission. So it's not
like we're along for a free ride. I appreciate your patience.
I wish we had more time, Angrew, but we're right
up against the clock.

Speaker 9 (02:05:52):
I hear you.

Speaker 2 (02:05:53):
You welcome back.

Speaker 7 (02:05:54):
I just I'd love to I'd love to see the
full MoU discussed as a whole package, not just bits
and pieces.

Speaker 2 (02:06:02):
Yeah, which is part of the complexities of it, because
we're talking about two majors, and I guess some people
like to break it down into four. But transmission goes
with expansion, transmission goes with development tech call. I appreciate
your time. We've had the last word. Thank you, Andrew,
thank you, Patty, You're welcome. Bye bye, there we go.
Good show today. Make sure you tune in tonight that
we stand on guard once more from seven thirty to

(02:06:24):
nine thirty right here on VOCM and Big Land of FMS. Yeah,
because you can make a donation to contribute to the
Wildlife Relief Recovery Fund. Very good show today, big thanks
to all hands. We will indeed pick up this conversation
again tomorrow morning, right here on VOCM and Big Land
of FM. I'm Behalfy the producer, Brett Fagan, I'm your host,
Patty Daily have yourself a safe, fun, happy day.

Speaker 3 (02:06:43):
We'll talk on Wednesday morning.

Speaker 2 (02:06:44):
Bye bye,

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