Monday Nov 17th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line call seven oh nine two
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host Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Monday, November
the seventeenth. This is Open Line. I'm your host Patty Daily,
David Williams, he's the producer of the program. You'll be
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twenty six. So to kick it off. Of sports, where
can you start other than the one hundred twelfth playing at
the Gray Cup. I know Dave Williams is a big
football fan, and that's the NFL brand of ball. We
probably have the fewest number of CFL fans per province

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in the country, maybe PI, But now that we've got
amateur and minor football being played here, I wonder rather
more CFL fans part of the fault. Because I lived
in Alberta and got an upfront and close taste of
the CFL. I do appreciate it, and I did watch
the Great Cup last night. So Saskatchewan wins their first
Great Cup in quite a long time. I think they
haven't wondered about a dozen years. Their quarterback, Trevor Harris,

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was pretty slicky set of record for completion percentage wise,
eighty two point five percent of passes found their home
versus the Alouettes, who just threw the ball around, dropped
it when they had a chance and they lose twenty
five to seventeen. And for folks who will follow the CFL,
for Saskatchewan to win in Winnipeg is extra special. So anyway,

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on a more bright note, so the ATP Finals is
the final tournament of their professional men's professional tennis. Only
the eight top players in the world get to play
in it. Felix Oje Yali, a scene from Montreal, made
it all the way to the same finals, lost to
al Karaz. But he finishes the air at number five
in the world. I mean, that's just tremendous. He had
a fantastic second half of twenty twenty five. Felix oj

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L see number five in the world if anybody watched
any at the tennis. So the final, of course was
world number one Alchoraz versus world number two Sinner. The
gap between Sinner Alcaz and the rest of the world
is extraordinary, like nobody else is even in the same conversation,
let alone the same league. But anyway, and one more
Montreal note, and so this is a brutal story. And

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of course by now everybody knows who's following the NHL
or follows Montreal Canadians Young Alex note from Saint John's
gone four months at least, just a quick note on
that for Sara's it's real shame for young athletes, and
especially when you make it into the elite ranks as
a pro you know when your competitor is in a
pro position, and then you used to keep your stick

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away from his feet or his legs and just not
make bad situations worse. And in this case, the data
star defenseman gets two minutes for hooking or tripping and
now hook It's four months and Buddy knew knuwok was
in a bad spot. So anyway, on a brighter thought,
Ryan Green from Saint John's forty second goal of the
year for the Chicago Blackhawks or there's something there, okay,

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all right? So the Happy Tree kicked off on Saturday,
as did Dial of Carol. Big thanks to everyone that
VOCM cares and those who made contributions. Dial of Carrol
raised over thirteen five hundred dollars. The good work being
done by VOCM cares, whether it be the Happy Tree
or the Buddy Bears or Coat for Kids or the
Thanksgiving food drive. Pretty nice effort for those of you

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who tuned in. I hope you enjoyed the show and
that brings the beginning of the Christmas music season to
your VOCAM your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (03:41):
All right?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
So, man, winter, the wet and windy weather, pretty miserable stuff.
I only Dexter hates it more than I do. Now
I hear a lot. It's not at least it's not
snow fair ball. With the amount of rain, hopefully that's
going some making some appreciable difference in the reservoir. Levels
for water supply because the past summer was absolutely brutal,

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but the wet and windy weather. Here's some of the
numbers on the Pure and Peninsula. They've already got a
month's worth of rain by the seventeenth of November. So
anyway on that front, and this is good news and
it's not brand new, but in more contracts have been
let to continue to build the fire breaks. You know,
even prior to this past wildfire season, we've been talking
about fire breaks Incleaning the fire load or the windfall

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for quite a long time on this program. So two
more contracts do that and of course used as a
firefighting tactic in the Kingston firem Lake and Patty's Pond.
Not going to get into the value of the contracts
because the work just needs to be done. The Liberal
government had put forward some firebreak contracts. The PCs have
followed suit. But one more message to those of you
out in CBN who are still living with the loss

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of everything, and many families experienced exactly that. So whether
it be the dragon of the feet to come to
their aid with some pledge financial support, if you want
to your stories for it, please do. And again I
get plenty of emails asking very basic questions of when
the red flags and the warnings about a potential arsonist
in the region were not apparently not investigated. Boy oh boy,

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you wonder could this have been This devastation could have
been avoided, but more firebreak contracts probably a very good idea.
All right, what's this? Oh yeah, all right, So a
sad story coming from Signal Hill. For those of you
who make your way up to Signal Hill for a
look around, is delight in the presence of some of
the Signal Hill foxes. Now when you hear, you know,

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don't feed the bears, and in this case the phrase
is being used, is a fed fox is a dead fox?
One of the Signal Hill foxes has been found dead
along the side of the road. It's not an insignificant
story because whether we talk about wildlife being displaced with
development of what have you, it is probably an important
reminder that wild animals we really should hesitate to feed them.

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When we lived in Jasper National Park Parks Canada, least
this aggressively. If you got cod feeding a wild animal,
you were in trouble. But in this case people were
quick to feed the foxes and share the pictures or
videos on social media. I'll never forget the picture of
a little fox down scarfrom up a feed of timbits.
So on top of up should not be feeding the fox,

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but feeding them timbits what have you. So then they
learn their need and want to hunt. Consequently, they don't
teach their young to hunt. They expect their food to
be delivered to them. Then it's the consequence of bringing
animals into high traffic areas like Signal Hill. So I
guess it's just that gentle and friendly reminder, please don't
feed the wild animals. Here's a quote coming from one
of the women involved as a wildlife rescuer. If you're

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an animal lover, a true animal lover, then feeding these
foxes and not something you should ever partake in the end.
Anyway you want to talk about it, we can do it.
And we've told the story and had a conversation with
down Street last week here on the show regarding the
most recent cod stock assessment in three ps. So that's
one thing who was intimately involved in the inshore harvest

(07:02):
than inshore fishery. Please do, indeed share your thoughts this morning,
and you know the implications of offshore draggers where the
fish are aggregating during spawning season. It's unbelievable. It's basically
admitting serious mistakes from AID and the FAAW. They were right,
other members of the inshore fishery they were right. And
then you move on to I don't know what the
upcoming season will like in so far as fisheries, Minister

(07:25):
loyalo Adriiskill and the processing sector. You got to keep
putting it out there. When the plant Saint Mary's was
destroyed by fire in an already complicated processing sector and
the need for more capacity, which that alarm bell has
been sprang many many times over the last number of years,
but now the consequence of losing that pretty significant plant

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are a massive problem. So I don't know if anything
can be done to expand processing capacity necessarily for this
upcoming season, especially when we talk about snow crab and
then that overlap with cod, which again I don't know
what we're going to do, but you want to take
it on. Let's do it all right. You don't need
to drive very far or for very long, especially around

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this neck of the woods. I can't speak with any
authority about other parts of the province necessarily, but it's
the perils of dangerous, aggressive, distracted driving. So last Friday
was the World Day of Remembrance for Road Traffic Victims.
Took place at Confederation Building, as it does every year.
So you love government officials, they're police officers there and
most importantly families who have lost a loved one. Because

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of the unbelievably aggressive traits held by many other motoring
public around here, you don't know what it's going to take.
Like this morning, coming in on the Outer Ring Road,
it was pretty brutal. The wind was up, the rain
was pounding, the ruts were full of water. I was
in the right hand lane, and I'm not professing to
be the very best driver in the world, but I

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was going around eighty and that felt as fast as
I should be going. But you know full well the
heroes that are willing to take it on even if
you're driving a big truck, the roads don't care why
you're driving in so far as the potential to hydroplane.
So I just don't know what gets into people's heads
when they get behind the wheel. For those of you
out there who know full well in your quiet moments,

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you drive too fast you drive too aggressively, you don't
mind getting on the phone, you don't pay attention, you're
roaring around like it's nobody's business. Maybe, just maybe some
of the mandatory attendants to hear from some of these
families who have lost the loved one because people are
out there driving like a bat out of hell. So again,
not sure what we're going to have to do. And
people say, well, but if there's more cops out there, Yeah,

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I get that. Nothing slows you down on like a
police cruiser, but it shouldn't come to needing a cop
to be there for you to slow down and just
not be so aggressive behind the wheel. And again around
Saint John's it's absolute madness. It really truly is madness.
And every single day there's probably a lot of close
calls that don't get reported, and there's probably plenty of

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collisions that don't get reported as well, and certainly the
reporting of tickets being issued should probably be a pretty
frequent thing, so that even if you don't see a
police cruiser, to know that they're out there and they're
going to get you, and hopefully they do just in
an effort to slow you down. We can add to
that the whole speed camera conversation, which I know I'm
in the minority for thinking it's an okay idea. All right,

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I just mentioned the cell phones. You see it all
the time. People are so willing to get on their phone.
There's a news in the national media which is not new,
and it's about the lack of competition in the world
of telecom because between the big three they dominated. It
only got worse when the purchase of Shaw by Rogers
was approved, and it never should have been. Now they're

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talking about things like call center layoffs, which we don't know,
and Rogers won't give us a specific number about the
numbers of people no longer working in call centers, but
the reports of people going on online to try to
click a link to cancel their services, just to be
told the link is broken up in the corner of
the screen pops the chatbots and you're going to have

(10:55):
to cancel by calling, and you try and then you're
on hold, the elevator music and transfer from a department
to department. This one poor bloke trying to cancel his
business internet service seven hours later, seven hours to try
to cancel a service, where in other countries two clicks
you're done, and that should be the way here in
this country too. But when people go on to point

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out and the iron is not last on me. And
this is a quote coming from a fellow named Eugene
chan An, associate professor at the Ted Rogers School of
Management at Toronto's Metropolitan University. The lack of competition, it
reduces the need for these telcos to compete and to
provide good customer service because they think customers need us,
so we don't really need to do anything to improve

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our service. He's probably not wrong, then, Rogers through emails,
what have you talk about? There's a driving digital adoption
which basically means that it's going to be more and
more take a guess, artificial intelligence. So anyway, today last week,
I guess it was on Friday, I didn't speak to

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very much because I think people might be tired of it.
But let's just get some numbers out there. Charlie Oliver
called last week representing think NL talk about industrial strategy
for power generation. The Labrador and what the power could
be used for the mining sector would be the first
to put up their hands say how about us. Charlie
also wants people to consider artificial intelligence and those data

(12:19):
centers as maybe being part of the economic pie. Let's
got to look at some of the numbers, and these
are American, but I think we can directly translate many
of them to this country given the expansive explosion of
artificial intelligence. Okay, in the past decade they reference the
US data center editions were small, only a few gigawatts
per year. Then things changed dramatically in twenty twenty. Just

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look at the stock market and how much is reliant
on artificial intelligence and the hyper acceleration. Okay, and this
charter comes from JP Morgan Chase, who's also looking at
the Ropertrcial deal. So they're talking about capacity in gigawatts
either built or under construction plan or stalled by year,
highlighting just how shoppy the demand has grown. So one

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of the key takeaways is the spike for plant capaccy
in twenty twenty five. It shoots all the way to
nearly eighty gigawats of data set are projects eighty gigawatts
just for that application. It's great if we're talking about
how they'll use it in the healthcare system or engineering
or in academia to peruse through copious amounts of data
in seconds flat. But boy, oh boy, Morgan Stanley goes

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on to warn in a recent client note that the
United States could face a significant electricity deficit as artificial
intelligence builds out to accelerate. They're talking about a shortfall
on the grid of thirteen gigawatts of capacity, roughly a
fifth of what the sector is expected to require. We
project that the US power shortfall through twenty twenty eight
or forty four gigawatts before considering innovative time to power

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solutions that do not rely on the typical grid interconnection process.
People love fulling around with AI. I get it. It
can generate some pretty cury, some interesting videos and the
like in a heartbeat fout in the big scheme of
things with the power consumption, the water required. I don't
know why we're not having more of a conversation on
that front, but hey, let's go and we can talk

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about industrial strategy and Labrador. Absolutely question of the day
at VOCM is about are we to be surprised that
this problemce didn't see any projects on Ottawa's major Project
fast track list. Not really, so a couple of things,
and in this case, I don't think former Premier Hogan
is wrong, is why would the federal government be involved

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with the Upper Churchill when the project seems to be
in limbo. Not because I say so, because Premier Wakem
has pretty much placed it there for now until whatever
the independent review is going to look like, or whenever
that's going to take place, or whenever this binding referendum
might be into the offering. So that one and Beta
ort I said last week that it's pretty much an
economics decision, final investment decision yet to be made, and

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as pointed out rightfully so by an intune listener, there's
a bit more to it and fareball between the benefits
agreement that the province will have to sign with Equinor
and then some of the work to be done at
the board level the development plan and benefit plan, which
is a different relationship than simply the royalties and jobs
and that kind of stuff between the province and Equinor itself.

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So maybe there's an opportunity for the Fed to get
involved in that particular process and the final release of
all the permits and some additional environmental work, even though
we know the green light has come from then Minister
Stephen Giebo, which was already pretty curious, but they need
fisheries permits, telecommunications approvals, follow up on other conditions regarding
environmental approvals. So yeah, there may be is a role

(15:37):
on that front. Four Beta or to have appeared on
that list. This morning or today there's a first Minister's meeting,
the first four premier wakem and on that list, of
course will be questions asked by the country's premiers of
the Prime Minister about the projects that were not on
the list, and probably questions about some of the projects
that are on the list, considering the fact that many

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of these projects were already well underway in so far
as approvals and all of the fast tracking components that
the FEDS are talking about. So and then not part
of the conversation will be about terror for alaf and
what have you. And today in Parliament is the last
vote on the budget and we've talked a fair bit
about the budget and the very first question to Minister

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Thompson when she called to promote the budget is we
are asked about for the first time ever, there's been
a split between what is considered operational spending and capital
spending because we've never done before and it does sort
of give the opportunity for the budget to mislead balancing
on the operational side and what they're referred to as

(16:39):
opposed to spending but investments on the capital side. The
Parliamentary Budget Office, of course, has had a look. They've
done some pretty good work over the years. So it's
all about how we define what becomes operations and how
we define what becomes capital investment or capital spending. Here's
a really good example that they break down, for example,

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the definition corporate income tax credits as capital spending, whereas
corporate income tax revenue is considered operational. So there's a
bit of a blur. The budget for twenty twenty five
claims it will spend three hundred and eleven point five billion
dollars on capital over the next five years. When the
PBO goes back to using more traditional definitions or conventional definitions,

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capital spending total is just two hundred and seventeen billion dollars.
So there's a pretty big difference. About thirty percent less
adds up to a round ninety four billion dollars if
the more conventional or traditional definitions were applied. Now, it
does not change the water on the beans of exactly
how much money is being spent in the budget and
or the deficit at seventy what is the seventy three

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point eight billion dollars or seventy eight point three billion dollars.
But it does have a flare of I'm not going
to say cooking book, cooking the books, because that's the
political hyperbole that's not helping. But it does indeed present
numbers in a far different fashion that would have in
the past. Now, is there any reason to believe that
the budget is going to fail today and consequently a

(18:02):
snap election? I doubt it. Findp will play whatever role
abstaining from the vote, what have you. But I guess
we'll all find out when the final votes are cast,
because this is a confidence motion. If the government falls,
and I'm not so sure either priority is necessarily prepared
to go right back to the booth, the voting boots.
But based on law, if the budget falls today and
a snap election has to be called, it is as

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early as Boxing day or the ninth or January by law.
So I mean, I don't know if anyone wants the
government to fall and another six or seven hundred million
dollar election take place just months later. But that's what's
on the line today in Ottawa. Oh And I mentioned
the first Minister's meeting talk about tariff's and what have you.
But there's also a meeting between Premier Waken, who's chairing

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the annual Atlantic Premiers and New England Governor's Conference today.
One quick question I would have is can we get
an update? And I know it's going to be tough
for the Premier to give us a distinct update here
because he's relatively new in the job. What has been
achieved or what are we working towards with that office
in Boston. It'd be nice to know exactly what and

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whether we've expanded from just economic opportunities to things like
trying to attract healthcare professionals, members of academia. Because the
opportunities are there, they're doing it in other provinces, all right.
Last one, politics is nasty. It certainly can be, and
politics can be quite ugly. But over the last number

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of months, the ugliest of politics has reared its head.
And this is basically an American story, although could have
Canadian implications, certainly does when we talk about the level
of political discourse or the toxic nature of it, it's
remarkable to me that we find ourselves in a place
where we have to play hyper partisan politics when it

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comes to pedophilia. I mean, even some Maga pundits are
trying to justify that, you know, just being barely legal
or almost legal. Well that's okay, just grotesque. So I
don't know why and how anyone's defending it. But today could,
this week could be very testy for their rich, powerful

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suspected pedophiles. And I'm getting whiplash trying to keep up
with the who thinks the information should be released? But
I suppose we're at a place now where whatever Epstein
estate documents or Epstein emails or Epstein files, I suppose
they've been appropriately or adequately sanitized, so that now all
of a sudden, the president is once again calling for

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the release like it did during the campaign and then
it moved off to a hoax and all the rest
of it. Let's just put the information out there. And
I can't believe the minority are the ones saying if
it was Clinton or Biden or Trump or Sorrows or
Gates or any notable Republican or any notable Democrat, any

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leader of industry, any icon of business, any celebrity, regardless
of who they are, where they're from, but their background
is who they vote for for. If you have been
found to have potentially rape their child, let's investigate, prosecute,
and punish. How about that just for a novel idea.
But all of a sudden, politics is all about protecting

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one side from another, and the President asking for the
Department Adjustice just to investigate democrats. Look, there should be
things that we can all agree on, and one of
them is if rich, powerful men are raping children, that
should be enough for any of us, regardless of who
you vote for, regardless of who you idolize. You know,
idolizing a politician is like pretending that the stripper actually

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likes you. We're on Twitter, We're VOSM. Openline follow sir,
email addresses open on a FOSM dot com. When we
come back, let's have a great show to kick off
the week. That can only happen if you're in the
queue to talk about whatever's on your mind. Don't go away,
welcome back to the show very quickly. I know Premier
Vakument's pledged to close the Office of Boston. My question
is whether or not we can actually point to anything
that may have been achieved, anything material since the office

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has been open in Boston. That's all. Let's go. Oh
and Zach Power came in and reminded me of that.
He's right line number one, Peter around the air. Yeah,
good morning, Patty, Good morning to see you.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
It's a.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Bit of a stormy one, but it was starting to
stay down now. Anyway, we'll get on to what I
want to call you about. Their more of a concerned
citizen than a fish hoverser, I guess. But over the
past number of years you and I had a lot
of conversations about about codfisher and threeps and call you

(22:36):
show continuously a lot of fish hovers or Carlia show
actually trying to prevent a bottom trolling for codfishing in threeps.
But it didn't matter if it was progressive PCs or
liberals or whooever. Nobody listened and come the union, well

(23:01):
fish averagers. We got together and we went to Keete Sullivan,
Dave Dicker, Bill Bradwick. You know, we went all the
MP's mgs. Open Lines showed in TV CBC, but nobody heard.
And we're up against the brick wall. But I guess.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
This morning.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
A lot of the people knows that regardless what the
companies say, a lot of people know that the fish
avers are right in this particular. They not only destroyed
the fish again, they destroyed the habitat that the fish
stay on. And they fished in the most vulnerable time
of the year, you know, up around February. Stuff like
that were congregating together. And I'm Saint Peter Bank and

(23:41):
both places and the gullies there. I'll just give you
for those who don't know, Patty three ps fish fore
in ninety ninety three, close one year after the cadmore
to him reopened again nineteen ninety seven. I got this
written down now. So they want to get a wrang
And the quota one thousand tons there was Colon Index

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fishery and has jumped its highest thirty thousand ton to
between that up to nineteen ninety nine for ninety seven nine, I.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Believe, and.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Okay, so that today is one thousand I believe four
hundred and sixty five tons, or that's what they're saying anyway.
So that's for the people that don't know, and most
of the fih hours and three ps no, we don't
everything we possibly could, you know, like in order the governor,
the governor, you know, you've got to you've got to

(24:34):
be able to say no as well as you've got
to be able to say yes. But you know, like
you got to do it on an evidence the past
and the present. Well, I guess is right now with
the president and back to where we were to do before.
And know the same both for fishing the North East
Coast now as well, just say the three ps fishers
and are fishers on an North East coast and the

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rest of the government as a government in that particular area,
you will deal with the same thing within a short
period of time. A decade from the day there will
be none. And that's my opinion on that. And you know,
I don't know what your opinion and it is, but
I think it's mismanaged. I think the fishery was badly mismanaged.

(25:19):
It was mismanaged by the Union of the day back then,
it was managed by the provincial government, and I was
mismanaged by the federal governments. Well, I think go ahead them.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Sorry, Defoe kind of said exactly that last week. You know,
they said, well, we can't fix mistakes in the past well,
I mean, boy, that's you know, pretty easy way to
gloss over what is a pretty big issue for the
harvesters and three PS. And just for context, so not
only is it stock smaller than they thought, but the
growth is slower than they expected as well. And then
you talk about the size and the older fish, the

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evidence is quite clear if you were older fish. They
went down to say the large percentage of fish under
eight years old and those older than six years or
six years are on average half the way they should be.
So it's a dramatic problem.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yes, if you destroy the habitat that fish congregate in
and give birth or whatever, respawn the new ones and
the food source for that fish won't stay in that
particular area and stuff like that and moves. Others are
that that would be a good way to lose weight,
I would think. But anyway, I'm sure they're listening, but

(26:30):
they're not hearing again this morning because you say, DFO
said what you just said, and that's you know, that's
a defense statement more so than a way to fix
the problem for the future. But the problem for the
three PS got to be fixed again now, you know.
And some fishers will get fish in threeps. There's no
two ways about that. You know, some will get it

(26:52):
basically when there is basically none and that's been proven too.
But for the vast for the cod stock at three ps,
my opinion, yes, it's in the critical zone, has been
in the critical zone for some time now. And you know,
like I think really badly mismanaged that. I really feeled

(27:14):
the government, the federal government should convasate the fish harvisers
in three ps until the fish do acts rebuild so
that they can fish it again as a commercial fisher.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
I don't know if anything like that is going to happen,
any reparations so to speak. And how would that even work?
I wonder.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
I don't know how it worked, Patty boy, I don't know.
I really don't. But you know, like I'm looking for conversations.
I don't think that's the purpose of this car.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
The purpose of.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
The car you got to hold somebody liable for what
you're doing wrong and everybody else every other thing that
goes wrong, to blame that government. Yes, there's a lot
of conversation around, you know, like for various things, but
we're such a small amount of people in three ps,
I guess now compare to back in nineteen ninety three,

(28:11):
got a lot of licens that combined. You know, well,
what can I say? You know, like we haven't got
a lot to fight the battle with unless the FFAW
and our mj is and we got them in this area,
we got them a progress conservices liberal and we got
them mj is the same thing. So like a particular

(28:35):
person right now is that chef to wire? And then
you got leveless on the south coast farther up so
and one on the east side defense. So we'll see
what they got to say, you know, see what they're
going to do or are they going to do anything?
You know, But anyway, I don't know, maybe i'm around

(28:57):
an on patty, but I want to tell you that
it's not good. You know, it's not good when you're
down to basically one specie, you know.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Like.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
And you got to admit, like the only thing that
had that was different from the trollers before nineteen and
ninety two. They turn them in from side trailers in
the stern trailers and then they turn them into factory
freezer trailers. So you know, and now they go out
like six weeks at a time. You don't even ever
return to port. So like it's on and on, and
they give them the right to go. The federal government

(29:32):
give the factory Fraser trawlers the rights to go out
into the gullies and fish from November till February. I
didn't think it mattered about a cod quota. Was just
a factor that they were dragged in the same place
at the same time, regardless what they were dragging for.
So that will destroy any habitat, destroy anything that was

(29:53):
in his pet. Anyway, Patty, thanks for taking me out.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
I appreciate your time. Peter, thank you all the best
you but bye, and I mean compensation four. I don't
know if that's going to happen, but we've heard the
industry look for compensation when it came to things out
of their control, whether it be ice or weather or
things like that. So it's not like it's unheard of.
How that we could work here, I don't know, and
that's why I didn't mention the judicial recomp business. Well

(30:17):
we did on Friday, and we can put it back
out there. So justice fans Flower denied recounts in loose
portswilling Gate percent to West Bellview. But it's proceeding in
Tops of Paradise, and interestingly, Tops of Paradise had the
biggest voter discrepancy versus the other two went eighteen sixty
four and in Tops of Paradise one oh four. So
I guess this is as much about irregularities and whether

(30:38):
or not there's ever going to be enough votes that
are changed to see the PC majority go away. I
have no idea, but I guess we'll all find out.
So now we'll see Mark Bott and Jeff War get
sworn in officially. But until all of the funds of
Fower Justice Flowers business is taken care of, the Hustle
family will not reopen, and that could mean a fairly
long stretch of time between the election and that house

(31:01):
actually being opened. Anyway, that's out there for your consideration.
Let's go ahead and get a break in. When me
come back, we're speaking with you. Don't go away, Welcome
back to the show. Let's go len number three, sag
War to the NDP member elected in so in folks,
Saint Johnsy's candy video that Shilo Larry Sheila, you're on
the air.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
Hello, good morning, Patty. It's a wild and wild day
out there today. In the city of Saint John's for sure,
it's picks black.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I can't see come out heairs.

Speaker 6 (31:26):
You know what. Look, and now I understand why everybody's
so delighted with those Mornini jackets. Look, I just wanted
to give you.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
A call here.

Speaker 6 (31:35):
I know there's lots on the on the docket here,
but one of the things that I certainly heard from
on the doorstep when I was campaigning, and of course
the calls continue as we head in the winter, is
about the cost, the soaring costs of home heating. So
I just wanted to chat with you a little bit
about that because we're basically asking the premier, wakem what

(31:57):
is the plan, what's the plan to help people heat
their homes. We certainly had a commitment to cutting the
provincial hst from home heating, and that was across the
board for electricity, propane, oil, wood, everything, which would save
you know, approximately about I guess about ten percent off
the bills. So you know, so that was something that

(32:20):
we were promising all the way throughout the campaign. Of course,
here we are and we're going to be the critics,
so we're going to make sure to try to hold
people to account. And so we have heard nothing. What
is happening for people who are especially people who we
know are most vulnerable, the seniors. People are afraid to
turn off the thermostats. And now today, of course we
got a little bit of a spike and heat, but

(32:40):
you know that's not going to last and this has
to be addressed. How are people on a fixed or
low income, how are they possibly going to deal with
the additional stress of keeping warm in the wintertime. So
that's it. We're asking the pre premier wakem what is
it that you're going to do because people are out
there struggling and we're hearing it all the time.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
It's always an interesting and a very good question. My
question to you and others. We can talk about cutting
the provincial portion of tax off of anything, whether it
be you know, half of the gasoline and or on
how you heat your home. But when you mentioned people
who are struggling, I wonder, and I know that adding
different layers of bureaucracy is not necessarily very helpful. But
not everybody listening needs a break down their heat biel.

(33:25):
But folks who do need it, they need it now.
So would you suggest a means test or just across
the board.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
No, just across the board. INDP stands for universality, and
that's in all the things that we do. The reality
is that you know what we don't get asked when
we go to the grocery store how much income we
have or you know, and how we pay you know,
it's a basic necessity home energy. And so that is
the approach that the NDP certainly takes, is for universality.

(33:54):
It's not unlike you know how we've been lobbying for
a guaranteed basic income as well. Well, you know, it's
about ensuring that everybody has access that there's no reason
for people to be suffering in this day and age,
especially in the resource rich province that we live in
that you know, we have such an incredible privilege here,
but people are continuing to suffer and the rates are

(34:16):
continuing to go up. We had, you know, a rate
increase in July. Another one just went up and stuff.
Now recently, you know what this is. It's going to
be a tough winter for a lot of people. And
these are some of the most basic things. We're talking
about food, we're talking about staying warm in our houses.
And we do know because we're hearing from constituents, from

(34:40):
people who the kind of choices that they have to
make between whether or not they're going to eat, whether
or not they're going to stay warm, and it's you know,
it's just not acceptable. It's not acceptable for us living
in this province that we need to take care of
everybody here.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Let's talk what heat for a second, then we'll move
on the food is you know, unless you're really a
keen follower of the prices and the pub and the
annual adjustment that comes in July, which is always a thing.
Just imagine if that was a January first exercise as
opposed to to July, because when the pub said, you know,
the request was over ten percent, but they landed at

(35:16):
seven percent saving the rate pair. But in the summertime,
when very few have a very high power bill, it
kind of goes unnoticed. You know, seven percent of fifty
bucks is a lot different than seven percent of one
hundred dollars when it comes to looking at your bill.
So if we move that exercise to January, there'd be
a lot more focus, I suggests amongst the rate pay
public number.

Speaker 6 (35:34):
One, Well, there certainly would be, and you know what,
look there's a lot of issues. I know that you're
talking about them all the time, Patty, and you know,
it's just wonderful to hear from all of the people
who call into your show. There's so many things that
people have to be concerned about, but I can guarantee
you staying warm and fed. In Newfoundland and Labrador. It's

(35:56):
like a it's a massive priority. Not only do we
you know, live in you know, a winter climate where
we have to address this. It's not like we have
any other options. And of course because of our proximity,
our geographic location, I mean, the challenges with even with
food access access access is always an issue. So that's

(36:18):
going to lot more money onto onto each of the
you know, the residents and the individuals who are really
you know what, people aren't thinking about all of these
different issues all the time. They just want to get by.
They just want to get by, They want to be
able to stay safe in their homes. And and so

(36:39):
the question I put it back out there again. The
question is now to Premier wakem and you know, certainly
a huge congratulations to him and the government and and
of course there'll be lots of it, more conversation about
that going forward. But what is the plan, What is
the plan for people to heat their homes to give
people a break in a universal capacity?

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, so the universe fair enough. But then you know,
there's a couple of things we all share, regardless if
we vote for We need to try to stay warm
throughout the course of the winter, and we all do
need to eat. So that's one of the tricky spots
as far as I'm concerned anyway, is what levers government
actually have in the grocery issue. Because when prices go up, boy,

(37:19):
it's going to be a month of Sundays before they
come down and shrinkflation is not going to go back
to the way once was either. So again, what does
a government do about the price of food? Because we
could talk about competition, but that's a national conversation. You know,
the competition of your has been crystal career on this one.
Eighty percent of the retail space is held by five companies,
and that's not only the shelf space, that's also distribution,

(37:41):
which is a massive problem. So what would you suggest
could be done in the world of affordability at the
grocery store.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
Well, you know, certainly, we know how much that the
major corporations, you know that they're doing quite well while
people continue to see their bills, their grocery bills escalate.
But you know, for me now as a new MHA,
I'm having the conversations and I'm going to continue to
have the conversation with the organizations like Food First and
l and a number of the different social agencies throughout

(38:09):
the city of Saint John's in particular, but throughout the province.
Certainly I'm representing Saint John's East Kitty Vitty, but this
is this is something that's very universal, So I'm going
to continue to have those conversations with those agencies. You know,
we we've been certainly keeping an eye on the whole
issue of poverty reduction and that's a huge umbrella that

(38:31):
takes in everything that is affordability for people. But that
will continue. But right now, as we enter winter, this
is the question that's on the table right now to
the to the premiere is what is the plan to
help people with their home heating.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Fairball, And it's a good question. I'm going to have
to turn on a thermoside very likely this week, and
so I'll i have a bill coming in as well.
Sheelia appreciate your time.

Speaker 6 (38:54):
Thank you, thanks so much for your time.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Pleasure, all the best, Bright Shila Larry. Then if you
remember of Saint z Skiddy Bitty very quickly and you know,
just and then they hope to be factual. Yeah, the
grocery store chains, they're doing fine, they really are. But
I think there's also a difference between how much money
they're making versus the margin for grocery items. And not

(39:17):
to say that Galen West is not doing fine, because
he is doing more than fine. But they have a
suite of services, whether it be at the pharmacy, whether
it be at financial services, whether it be at clothing.
There's a lot of ways they make money outside of
simply selling groceries. And the grocery margins are pretty tight.
But I know you don't care because I don't necessarily
care either. Going to the grocery store is painful. Like

(39:38):
went yesterday for very little enough to fill up the
bottom of the bag. It was fifty odd bucks and
really got nothing. So I get that concern we all share.
Let's get a break in, don't go away, Welcome back
to the show. Let's go to line number two. Good morning, Kim,
You're on the air.

Speaker 7 (39:54):
Hi, Patty, how are you?

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I'm okay? How about you?

Speaker 7 (39:58):
Oh, I don't know. I'm kind of in shock. Actually
Friday I happened if he at the hospital with somebody
waited to me. We were here from ten o'clock up
until ten o'clock the night that night, and by the
time he got seen it was just why he had
to stay home. The doctors and the nurses are understaffed.

(40:18):
They're overworked, they're under page. Everybody and their dog is
self erren here in Newfoundland and labor door and every
way shape and for him, Tony wakem he got to
start digging down these pockets and try to come up
with some money to keep our doctors in this province.
They're taking their studies here and then they're going away
to go to work when we need stand badly here.

(40:41):
It doesn't make sense to me, Patty, it does not
make sense to me.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I'd like to see some numbers about whether or not
we're seeing any significant numbers of doctors leaving, because I
don't know.

Speaker 7 (40:52):
Oh, my good god. I was talking to a doctor
not too long ago. Actually, I had a reason to
go into one of the hospitals, and he told me
he was a resident there, but he had to go
away to go to work because there was no hiring.
There was no money here in Newfoundland.

Speaker 8 (41:06):
Patty.

Speaker 7 (41:07):
I'm telling you right now, I had a doctor for
fifty five years and I got booted out of that
clinic because they told me I missed three appointments during COVID.
I'm without a doctor to this day. I haven't got
one yet. This happened about three four years ago, and
I still haven't got a doctor. I'm not talking about me.
I'm not worried about me. I'm just fine. There's people

(41:29):
out there and they're starving, they're hungry, they're homeless, they're poor.
She Oh, Larry God, love her heart, buddy, I'm telling
you right now, she's something else in a bag of chips.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
With that.

Speaker 7 (41:40):
Let me tell you that she's in the right spot
right there to help people, and she's doing it with
her mouth. And I want to try to do it
with my mouth. I hope my voice is heard, buddy,
because I'm telling you right now, there was a young
fellow at that hospital Friday, and he had a little
piece of seal.

Speaker 9 (41:55):
In his eye.

Speaker 7 (41:57):
He was there from ten o'clock and tell ten o'clock
that night, only leave and go out around the bay
to a hospital to give these part one picks. It's
not good. I'm telling you right now, the bottom is
going to right out of our God bless us how.
That's what I say, God bless us all because if
our children, our grandchildren, our nieces, our nephews, our mothers,

(42:17):
our fathers got to go to that hospital, body of God,
Oh God bless them. Now, that's what I say, terrible,
God bless us.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
System is curely struggling and bending, and many people suggest
it's broken. And in so far as pay, I mean,
I don't know what the answer is there. There's more
doctors and more nurses in the province than ever before,
but yet the system seems to don't understand. It's really difficult.
Now what we don't know based on those numbers, are
you know how many doctors have a full patient roster

(42:49):
or are working full time or simply doing pure research
or there's a few breakdowns that will be helpful to
know and with pay. It was just last year the
NLMA negotiated a new pace system with the government that
they seem quite pleased with. I don't really understand how
blended capitation works, but that's what they wanted to I
was pleased.

Speaker 7 (43:08):
I'm sorry for gotting you off, sweetheart.

Speaker 10 (43:10):
Bro.

Speaker 7 (43:10):
I don't know who's all pleased about it, because all
you got to do is look at their faces, their
over work. They're stressed out. Every one of them are
stressed out. I see with my own eyes. There was
people coming in after streets that were at the gathering
place looking for help. And one of them is on
the methadone program and her loan was collapsed and she

(43:31):
was basically on the Batto middle list of God Love
a little harsh. I too was on duran pat and
I got on the methadone program and I completed it
in two and a half years, and I had my
last drink about a week and a half ago, thank God,
Thank God. And I only hope and pray that somebody
is listening, because there's always hope. If I could do this,

(43:54):
ye can do it too. How bad do you want
to buys? Nobody wants to be living on the street,
Nobody wants to have their hand out looking for money
to fill their little stomach. Nobody needs to be on anything.
They can be fine, and you can get better. Just
like God, it's reet ours. We need to help everybody.
I'm telling you, Tony, wake and please God. I hope

(44:16):
he hears me, because listen, you've got family members too, Darling.
We all do. Nobody wants to end up in that hospital. Nobody.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Thety reference I was making to pay is not whether
or not that makes them happy when they're tired. It
is that the pay system has changed based on the request.
And you know, let's look at some of the numbers
that have been put out there in the recent past.
I don't think it's pay is the be all and
end all. I think if you ask healthcare professionals, if
you guys, see what are your number one concerns? Number

(44:45):
one concerns would be the inability to get time off,
the forced overtime, the balance that is not available there.
The relationship with other healthcare pros like travelers is on
the ward itself, because just look at the bonus that
they were trying or the incentive they were off for
two nurses on the casual list to get on the
full time list the permanent list. They were saying no

(45:07):
because they had a bit more flexibility as casual nurses.
So obviously that being said, it's not just about the money.
There's more to it.

Speaker 7 (45:14):
No, my god, it's just not about the money. But
my god, we need more doctors here. We need them
in the hospitals, not just here a news, and we
need them at work. We need more places opened up
all across News from land and laborator right across the base.
They're in there with nobody. What a same This place
is going to the ducks and I'm praying something fairst

(45:35):
is all I can say.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Patty, And I appreciate making time, Kim, Thanks for calling
this morning.

Speaker 7 (45:40):
Good messure, Patty, Thank you for listening to my work,
my concerns.

Speaker 9 (45:43):
I appreciate you, my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
You're always welcome.

Speaker 7 (45:46):
Thank you, honey.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Okay, bye bye. Yeah. You know, obviously there's a lot
of folks on healthcare, obviously, so and I do get
myself in hot water by wondering a loud whether or
not it's all simply about money, because because if it was,
I think the system would be working a little bit
differently and a little bit better. If we spend around
four billion dollars on the population of around five hundred

(46:08):
and forty thousand. Don't think it's the money. You know,
it's just spent down individual salaries. Now, would one doctor
or another maybe be incentivized or enticed to stay or
to you know, stay working as a doctor, or to
stay and remain after med school if there was more
money on the line. Possibly you look across the board.

(46:28):
I don't think our doctors are paid much differently than
the rest of Atlantic Canada. And you know, when the
recruitment conversations aren't going, That's why I've leaned in on
the fact that other provinces seem to be very aggressive
in the United States trying to recruit healthcare pros, and
some promises seem to be having some luck at it,
which is why I've asked several times as to whether
or not that Boston office which the premiere, the current

(46:50):
premier says he's going to close, whether or not we
added that to their mandate, which I don't think we did.
All right, how are we doing? Author Dave, Let's get
a break in for the news when we got back
a ton of time left fore, you don't go away,
welcome back to the show. Let's go line the before
say good morning to Dion Slaney with the cn iv HI.
Dion you're on the air. Good morning, mister Daily.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
How are you today?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Great today? How about you?

Speaker 10 (47:12):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Not so bad?

Speaker 9 (47:13):
Not happy with the weather, but hey, at least we
don't have to shovel this.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Too, I suppose, although you know, again I'm in the
minority on a lot of things. At some point a
little flick of snow is a little bit better than
this misery. But anyway, Dave Williams is telling me I'm nuts,
so be.

Speaker 10 (47:28):
It very good, Patty, tell you the reason for my
call this morning, my friend, is I guess just to
promote and let let people know of an event that
we're going to have here at the c and IB building,
seventy the Boulevard in our main conference room. We're going
to do a hybrid hybrid event. Actually, Patty, we're going

(47:48):
to do both in person and zoom call, so that
we get a little bit better outreach, I guess to
our participants and clients outside the overpass, I guess for
the for the lack of a better term, uncommon the
tech drop in. As I'm sure you're aware and a
lot of your listeners, there's all kinds of technology and

(48:10):
is growing by leaps and bounds. Basically, especially as it
comes to AI. This is also true for technologies that
help people better blind or low vision. I will be
doing some demonstrations of some some of these technologies.

Speaker 9 (48:27):
I will showcase the ray.

Speaker 10 (48:29):
Ban Meta smart glasses, which is one uh these are
glasses that you could you could do loads of things
including help you read menus documents all those things. Also,
we have a have a product here on so called
the we Wok Smart Kane too.

Speaker 9 (48:46):
Basically, it's a it's a.

Speaker 10 (48:48):
It's a mobility can that will connect to your your phone,
your smartphone and of course an app on your phone
and basically give you step by step instructions. True a
speaker on the chain itself or even through your headphones
or whatever you want to whatever you want to use
to navigate you anywhere that you need to go. You

(49:09):
can use Google Maps, Apple Maps, or whatever the case.
And another thing I'm going to touch on during these.

Speaker 9 (49:14):
Sessions, patty is.

Speaker 10 (49:16):
Some apps that are completely accessible for people that use
voiceover or screen readers, whether it be Android or iOS
based systems. Just basically you can order your groceries on there.
I use it all the time. Instacart. I don't drive
myself as I'm a low vision and I'm also print disabled,

(49:38):
meaning I can't read my phone, so if my phone
don't read it out to me, I don't.

Speaker 9 (49:43):
Know what it says.

Speaker 10 (49:44):
So those are just a few of the things. I'm
also going to touch on a few of these wearable
products like the Rayvan Metasmartic glasses that are up and coming.
The technology has been there for years, but it seems
like there's icons of developers including Apple, Google and a
number of other companies that are realizing that this technology

(50:05):
is there and they're dirt design, I mean, developing products
that can help people like myself low vision and people
that are completely blind. And if anyone is interested, they
can certainly email me. It's just my name, It's dionde
O N dot slaney s l A n e UI
at CNIB dot ca A, or they can certainly call

(50:27):
me at seven oh nine seven five four one one
eight zero and my extension is five eight one two,
or when you hear the recording, press one for smart
Life and it'll go straight to me.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
It's one of the examples where artificial intelligence can be
obviously very beneficial. Uh and in that you know we're
talking about after your vision has deteriorated or someone's completely blind.
But also, I you know, when I talk about AI
in negative flight, it's more about you know, me having
the ability to produce a ninety second video and consume
all this power and water. But in healthcare it's fast.

(51:01):
So even when we talked about early diagnosis, because I
think there's lots of work already going on. What are
the leading cause of blindness amongst adults is what's it
called diabetic retinopathy I believe is the right word for it.
And I could be very helpful there, glaucoma, age related
macular degeneration, and other things. I think the work being
done for advanced or enhanced diagnostics is going to make

(51:23):
a massive difference.

Speaker 9 (51:25):
Absolutely, Patty.

Speaker 10 (51:26):
Absolutely, And like I said, I could take these glasses.
I purchased a pair for myself last year, the ray
Man Metas. I can go into a restaurant myself not
have to worry about asking the server or my friends
or whoever else that might be with me what's on
the menu. I can hold the menu up in front
of myself. They look like a regular pair of glasses.

(51:48):
I can even say, hey, Meta, are there any Hamburger options?
On the menu that will listen me off the options.
I could say what is the chiefest one? That'll say, well,
it's a single burger at seven ninety nine, And then
I can say, well, does it ending come with it?
And they'll say yes, it comes with a side of fries,
mashed potatoes, or vegetables. Completely independent. I can't do that,

(52:10):
Like I said, if I don't have my phone reading
stuff to me, we're on print disabled. I can't read
that menu though, but I can now just for a.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Pair of glasses. So it's it's out there.

Speaker 10 (52:21):
It's just I guess the reason why we're doing this,
Patty is, is to let people know that it is
out there.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
A lot of times, if.

Speaker 10 (52:27):
You're not looking for technologies like this, you don't know
or you're not aware.

Speaker 9 (52:31):
That it's out there.

Speaker 10 (52:32):
And we just want to let the public know and
our clients and participants that there are ways around things.
So don't feel like you need to take someone with
you to a restaurant. If you want to go yourself
and relax, well, there's ways around it.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
And just because everything comes with certain costs them do
you folks like have a loaner program so people can
see whether or not it's going to work for them,
because I have no idea what some of these glasses cost.
Maybe you can help fill us in.

Speaker 10 (52:59):
Yeah, absolute, We actually have a program that operates out
of our national office. It's called the Tech at Home program.
So there's all kinds of technologies for people that are
blind or parenthally cite it.

Speaker 9 (53:10):
We do know, Patty, a lot of these.

Speaker 10 (53:12):
Things are expensive, and like myself, I'm not going to
go out and pay one thousand dollars for something that
I don't know is going to work for me. So
we actually have a program called tech at Home where
we could, I believe, you make a small deposit of
maybe one hundred dollars or something along those lines. They
will mail this technology to you so that you can
use it and avail of it in your own home

(53:33):
under your own circumstances and your own shed with your
own lighting. Figure out within a week or.

Speaker 9 (53:40):
So if it's going to work for you.

Speaker 10 (53:43):
If it doesn't, you ship it right back. We'll send
you back your deposit, and then of course your.

Speaker 9 (53:48):
Questions are answered.

Speaker 10 (53:49):
If you do decide that you want to purchase this
particular product.

Speaker 9 (53:53):
We can certainly take payment.

Speaker 10 (53:54):
You can send you all ones back and we'll send
you to brand new, brand new device, or a brand
new pair, or a brand new whatever it is that
you borrowed from.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Us, excellent program. Do you have anything else while we
have you this morning?

Speaker 3 (54:08):
No, No, I don't.

Speaker 8 (54:09):
I think that's it.

Speaker 10 (54:11):
I guess I just can't let your listeners know now
that c and IB is still here. We've been here
for one hundred and seven years. We do have an
aging population, and of course a lot of people knows
that with aging comes eye conditions. You just touched on
diabetic retinopathy. We all know how rampant diabetes is in
this land and Labrador, so we do see that quite often,

(54:33):
and of course all kinds of other eye conditions. And
if I could just remind people go get your eye
exams done. There's a lot of these eye conditions that
are treatable if kyt early. But of course we're also
aware that if you lose your vision, nine chances out
of ten you're probably not going to get it back.
So I suggest people to be a little bit more

(54:54):
proactive than reactive and your eyes will thank you for it.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Appreciate the time, Dean, Thanks for.

Speaker 9 (55:00):
Doing it, excellent.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Thanks Patty, You're welcome, Bye bye, buddy. So pretty helpful
stuff there in the fact that you get to give
it a test drive to make sure it's for you
and works the way you hope it would. All pretty good.
Let's get a break in when we come back. Roger's
in the queue there, wants to throw out a bouquet.
Always appreciate that one has got a question about access
to information. Don't go away, welcome back to the show.
Let's go to line number one. Roger, you're on the air.

Speaker 11 (55:24):
Yeah, yeah, pretty just a very good internal Let people
know which a few pures attorney about. Tell you guys,
last Sunday in the morning around now o'clt court tonight
and I took a stork on the return and they
didn't go over there because I assume we passed off
and were and we had a family history of stalks
on the other side. But they get to the point

(55:45):
there route six summer half to know I had no changement.
Go because they're getting worse, and ware scene said when
to work out down with the paramedics. They do us, guys,
and you couldn't any better. Three paramedics shut up once
you got to the emergency. It wasn't there and there
and here in the emergency two days to see those
guys and the tea were absolutely oh wan mutore.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
I know how good they were.

Speaker 11 (56:10):
Then one day when the windows when two days later
and wore up on the fourth floor, see what they
was like up to I mean, and the work today
and everything, because just this word does not described I know,
I mean, And you'll hear more bad about and the
good from once you get in there and realize what
those guys are doing. Uh, I'm know who I'm I

(56:32):
don't know how to thank him enough.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
I'm glad to hear that. So Roger, did you have
a stroke or a mini stroke or what happened to you?

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Sir?

Speaker 11 (56:40):
From what the doctor said on Sunday? Used to do
some mini stroke which me ended up giving. I knew
it was good, gave me because I mean, fifty one
years alone. The father than he had struck was only
forty seven. They was I could run every said he
was forty seven. So mean I knew that I spoke
to Hinger doarking and I was on medication. Just what
would happened?

Speaker 3 (56:59):
I'll never down struck regardless.

Speaker 11 (57:02):
So now even though do you, I don't agree with
what they get to four days general, then they let
me go. I mean, I mean that wasn't continued, Wady,
you mean to get to get this year? I mean
it was solved. I mean, I've got no problem with
the health good do what you're doing there. I mean,
just let's song go into four days and just barely struggling,

(57:23):
even though since they come home, I mean the days
I'm hear me and I maybe get just just really moved.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Well, glad the healthcare professionals intervention has caused you to
be around here today to make this Callum. I'm sure
they appreciate your kind words, because I think you're one
hundred percent right. You know, it's waiting to get in
the system that is the major frustration once in there,
buying large. Our healthcare professionals are well trained and empathetic
and compassionate and professional. Now some may indeed fly in

(57:53):
the face of that, but once you're in the system,
you know, I hate to generalize, but there's a lot
of good people working in healthcare. Let's Bob put it
that way.

Speaker 11 (58:02):
Apparently mean and died that day he was center, and
he was sitting there and made you see I'm used
to get the shower every day was seven day but
then our certainly it was a gig. You count do
I mean the buddy whole coach come to bring the
clothes and stuff in. Look, I can't take the peoples
involved effect. I can't take me up at the leaves

(58:23):
in the morning welcome by the bath. She come in
definitely shaved me out. I mean, I was don't. I
don't agree with work, deliver with you. Let's see it's
time to about fifteen on the scening today and let
them go early, which is me they's not right. So
now that I'm waiting there, try get to get the
hunk you set up, which this is not easy and

(58:44):
time because questially that we weren't strong mean and I'm
still getting no man, I'm right hand and red legging that.
I mean, it's I mean, it's just some days I'm
just want to be somewhere else because it was this
is that's that was easy about the going to It's
hits a lot harder.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Well, I'm sure it is. And I'm pleased you got
the help and capassion that you received. That's the good
news here, Roger. How are you feeling today.

Speaker 11 (59:11):
It wasn't a bit tend to receiving driven the right hair.
It just can be in the movement times. Sometimes you
can move morehouse and relegas they less age God norms.
But uh, you're reading sometimes and.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Just drops over.

Speaker 9 (59:22):
But I guess going bad.

Speaker 11 (59:24):
But I mean to see where the healthcare was, Like, man,
I'm the drive door was going. I mean, anyone under
it to Detroit, the best man the guitar once it
get him home set ready, I'm gonna get something nice
and send into him because me I couldn't. I won't
take enough. I mean to see where you go with
the healthcare. If you're putting it down it's just nice.
I didn't really didn't relost it down toil I get

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involved and I've seen it. That's the first time in
fifty one years that I stay hustled again see it away.
I mean that there's times and away when did we
ring the bell twists? And I'm going to be there
with the way just going because they're in your over
that whoever worked?

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Yeah, I mean, I think the reason that you hear
so many people concerned or complained about healthcare is when
we're talking about our health it brings that additional layer
of obvious worry and anxiety. And so I understand when
people have those complaints have to bring forward here, whether
it be in an email or a call on the program,
because when we're talking about our health, it sometimes gets

(01:00:25):
us pretty worried pretty quickly, and then the emotions bubble over.
So I get where people are coming from. And I
appreciate you making time, Roger or anything else you want
to say this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:00:34):
Too. I'm just like.

Speaker 11 (01:00:35):
Chum to think you wants in Bob with take some
of our chamis understand it does not damn well, I
mean what I don't understand me just wondering. One doctor
got playing from we go to shartin we get with
you ampparently from where just one test and do not
we get done? And there was a mekg me and
gwendo every time she's an uncustomed hole they mostly gets

(01:00:57):
only in the last few years. And the greet the
windy when they just come in that morning, he said,
the first thing they want, I don't want to do
it just to see where the structure place.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
I want to know.

Speaker 11 (01:01:07):
I just want to know. No, Now I had a
cause where the family history while I'm were but instead
the first thing to look out. We have to look
into the physio and all that then just be few
out later or from the whole later. He was found
this traffic continent and it's just why it was the
save that fee what it was about. But I mean
the ga I mean just this seventy hope. If people

(01:01:28):
don't go through it, I mean to see you, to
see what they're like. It's just being general in feeing them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
That's what they take the credit.

Speaker 11 (01:01:35):
The nurse who want there for to hope that night
and make sure I got safe that night. I can't uh,
I can't take anyone and off and anybody there for
doing all they could.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:01:46):
I love you guys, and I found me here and
so and thank you guys, this organization for having they
get to be us picking out because he knew here
just saying you hear him, are bad the health care
with turnus. You're reading inveloved and see you good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
I'm glad you called this morning, Roger. I hope you're
doing well. Thank you too, Bye bye, there you go,
so again. Yeah, lots of people working in the system,
of course, sir. Let's go to lin Uver six. Swanda
around the air.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Hello Patty, thanks for having me back again. Problem is
the divorced whisper. I'm the lady who has we decide
and I just wanted to call and kind of talk
a little bit about accessibility and kind of ironic and
kind of weigh in on a couple of comments and
a couple of conversations just then. So if somebody had
called in looking for how they can access the services

(01:02:37):
that I had announced was available now in the province,
So I just wanted to give access to my website.
If anybody isn't in need and wants to reach out,
they can reach.

Speaker 12 (01:02:47):
Out to the website at Wedecide DOTTA.

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
But I wanted to talk about accessibility, and it kind
of goes break with the two conversations that you just
had previously, so that spoke about it all gone.

Speaker 8 (01:03:01):
To the dogs.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
I believe it was Kim and you said it can't
be about the money, So it got me thinking, I
don't believe it's about the money either. When it comes
to the healthcare system and the struggles and the backlogs,
I think a lot of it comes to accessibility, and
that's a thread that goes through everything. Accessibility. You can
have the best information, the best services, and the greatest specialists.

(01:03:27):
But if you don't have accessibility or organization, then those resources.

Speaker 8 (01:03:32):
Just go to waste.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
People are just running around like chickens put their head
cut off. So I think accessibility is a key theme
and a key thread to fixing our healthcare system. And
it's also the key thread that I rolled out into
the process for fixing our family justice system. It's about accessibility.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Okay, So what specifically do you mean? Because if I
ask ten people what accessibility means, is it close proximity
to services are for about primary care? And then the
family justice system? What does that mean?

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
So I will give you an example. There's two ways
to go into the emergency department. Basically, you can go
in walking wounded, or you can go in by ambulance
for individuals that might not have anybody to bring them in,
or they are in a wheelchair or they have mobility issues.
You try getting yourself to the emergency department for some

(01:04:26):
type of a medical condition without calling an ambulance, and
try and get across the parking lot in our weather,
trying to find parking when you've got a broken ankle.
So accessibility, I think is one of the key things.
And if you've ever had to go into the emerged
with the problem with your foot, then it's the longest journey.

(01:04:48):
And being able to access eving the chair. Those folk
served in pushing chairs. You can't work those alone. So
if you go in your loan, you're out of lock. Disibility,
I think is one of the key pieces. And there's
bostive nurses, there a loostive doctors. You're right. And again
accessibility when I'm talking about what I've rolled out and

(01:05:12):
this legal system and the financial or story of the
family justice system as all interconnected when you look at it.
Some of these individuals that work in hospitals, the divorce
rate is forty percent, they say, So some of the
individuals going through divorce and the hospitals have to book
an appointment, have to lose time at work, have to
take time off work, so there's lost time and productivity.

(01:05:35):
So having something created that makes it accessible for them
to reach it out of offer, out of hours, business hours,
reach it online. If they can't leave their house because
they've got a mobility issue, they can access it online.
So I see accessibility as being a key spread in
that and in like I said accessing resources. But after

(01:05:58):
the last call mister Dione with CNIB accessibility for my
process even to roll it out for individuals that are
visually impaired. So I can assure you I'll be having
a conversation with mister Dion for the end of this
week to be able to create a version of what
I've got done for individuals that are needing the service

(01:06:18):
but are visually impaired. So I think accessibility is a
key theme that we can create more effective systems no
matter what the system, if we just look at how
people can access it and meeting them where they are
at their levels.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
That's just the point I wanted to do, Okay, and
that makes sense to me and the onnly reason I
asked for you to elaborate on accessibility because it kind
of means different things to different people, right. Some of
it's about affordability, some of it's about proximity. That's why
I asked that question.

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
It could be and it could be language barrier. So
I currently have my program done in seven languages now
and it's in testing right now at month for some
of the some of the languages that I don't speak,
I speak English, I speak French and I can read Spanish,
so I was good with those languages. For the language accessibility,
we have a high number of individuals here from Ukraine,

(01:07:13):
and so accessibility to language in Ukraine is another aspect
that kind of needs to be flushed out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
You know, absolutely anything else.

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
While we have you, No, we're good. I got emails
following in. I just wanted to make sure that anyone
did have my email or my website. We decide dot
CAA if they need to reach out and have services,
and I certainly, like I said, we'll be reaching out
to the CNIV to be able to give them an
opportunity to have a version.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
It sounds great. I appreciate your time and the work
you're doing well.

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
Thank you so much, and I appreciate you having me
on again.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
My pleasure. Stay in touch. All right, thank you, bye, Wanda.
Let's see here, let's get a break in. Let me
come back to merrill Fogo Island is Andrew chet He
joins us, and then we're speaking with you. Don't go away,
welcome back to the show. Let's go. Let number two
say you go on to the Marifogo Island. That's Andrew
Shay and good morning, Mayor you're on the air.

Speaker 9 (01:08:09):
Good morning, petty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
How are you doing great today? How you doing?

Speaker 9 (01:08:12):
Oh good? I'm calling in about the Public Utilities Board
and the zone differentials. You know, we have twenty nine
zones in New philandhers sitting the price of gas and
diesel and home eating fuel. A check with Nova Scotia
they have eight, you know, and because of those zones,
each place is paying a different rate for gas. If

(01:08:35):
we go across the island, you see that there's a
lot of differences in the price from Saint John's to Cornerbrook.
But I called in to show you tell you how
fast how much it affects fog one. We're on Fogo
Wan and we're in zone B. We're in zone three basically,
and soon B goes from the Sowne Tree goes from

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Springdale to Port Lampord, everything inside that it's the same price.
Three A, three B and three C is three as
changed on. Three B is Fogohan and three C is
Saint Brendan's. So we are charged extra for being just outside,
for placed outside his own. If you're if you go
acrossing the ferry and get off, gas is five cents

(01:09:18):
a leader cheaper. They're charging US five cents a liter
more because we're on Fogoan. We had a hearing last call.
We went in percented our case to the utilities board
Public utilities Board, and they denied their requests. And here's
the problem we have with it. You haul the gas
and oil and stove viol and furnace isl and diesel

(01:09:39):
fires Farewell or fires Ferrell and from Farrell to Fogoan,
it's only the ferry. And on the ferry it's ninety
three dollars return. That's forty six fifty each way. The
truck takes thirty eight thousand liters of fuel, so we
pay five cents a lid more so that truck come

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across on the ferry and going back. It's basically the
only difference because you have to onload in wherever you go.
We had to pump the fuel out. This cost of
US nineteen hundred dollars more than it is to go
sho say stone Bill, and that's exorbitance that they can't
be justified. We asked the people whyever charging us five cents.
They didn't know, and we asked them where it was going,

(01:10:21):
and they didn't know. And it's happened an effect in
our business. We have three gas stations on fo go on.
We got a lot of fuel being told, but a
lot of people when they're going on the ferry now
gas up in stonevillt So that's going to have effect
on us keeping our gas stations. And there's absolutely no
reason why we're paying five cents a leter because within

(01:10:42):
the district from the bigot the district is that there
must be different prices to the hollow fuel around and
they're just making one adjustment, but they're not making it
for us three odds.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
When this was ongoing, I brought it up countless times
and I was always surprised and said as much on
the show that I was surprised people outside the Northeast
Avalan weren't chiming in here because the way the zone
pricing changed is certainly much different for you than it
is for me. Then the same thing like when it
goes to the price of propane, it all depends on location.

(01:11:13):
And something that also changed at that time was the
PUB traditionally used to set a maximum pricing benchmark for
stove oil. That also got eliminated after the review. So
I I've tried to put it out there as a
form of fore warning and it got little to no attraction,
which it was really shocked by.

Speaker 9 (01:11:28):
Yeah, it's ridiculous. Like if you're fishing on fog On
and just listen. Now you're fishing on fo go On
and you got a big long liner, so you fill
up the long liner with diesel, it's five hundred dollars
more than it is to fill it up and loose
Port or Whisleyville five hundred dollars more. I heard Sheila
talking about how hard it is for seniors, you know,
a New Fland buying furnasile well, fog On, the seniors

(01:11:52):
had to pay six point five cents more than they
do across the bay, plus what they're paying too much anyway.
So now you got and added probably sixty five dollars
on a thank you fuel for no reason at all.
All you have to do is put us into this
zonne and put put one hundred of the cent on
the on the cost of going to fogo On to
change islands, and it works. You know, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.

(01:12:19):
Our municipalities haven't been talking about it because not only diamonds,
the islands are hit the hardest. You know, they didn't
look into what it costs to go there because I
was on council and then Perry Allow it took the
tanks from Fogan and they told us it was cheaper
to holand on the ferry that way because they didn't
have to maintain the tanks. They didn't have to maintain
you know, they had to pay business tax, eliminated all that,

(01:12:42):
so it was cheaper. And here they are sticking us
with five cents and punishing us for being on fog On.
You know, we talked about the difference within the within provinces.
You know, you can't get here the charge anymore, or
he can't get your products into Nova Scotia. But here
we are in fog On. We're being penalized because running
on no what a reason? No, what a reason. As
far as I'm concerned, New Koland should be basically go

(01:13:05):
hided in the tree zones. And if there's an exorbitant
cost to get to a certain place. I'm just talking
about Donald Newkland now because I'm not familiar with Labrador,
but if there's a place that got exorbitant amount of costs,
then you put something there for him. And explain to him.
But you just don't stick five cents of Leader or
six cents a lead on fuel when the cost is
not there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I know where you're coming from. And again I was,
you know, eternally shocked that no one was talking about
that story. And then look, I mean, this is we'll
just talk about castling a diesel as it pertains to
home heating fuels. It's not going to be anybody surprised
into the future where more and more rural and remote
parts of the province, especially islands, won't get delivery. I mean,
it's already happens to Brandon's, so don't be surprised if

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that's going to be something in the future.

Speaker 9 (01:13:51):
But Patty, what's going to happen is that if they
keep putting the price up. You know, times are tough.
Now at a dollar, you got to save your dollar.
You got two hundred two undred Leader, a truck that
takes two hundred Leaders. You go across and you fill up,
you save ten bucks, ten bucks coming back to twenty bucks.
But now the gas is going down on Fogo and
we're selling and then the price goes up, you know

(01:14:12):
what I mean. So this got to be fixed. You know,
like it's time for someone to step in and say,
listen us, we got to cut down the number of homes.
We got to do this fairly. We got to we
got to have reasons for doing it, you know, like
you just can't just stick plaice and some to go
on and more for change. Johns, Jane Johns pays a
bit more and Saint Brendan's pays more than us. And

(01:14:34):
then you've got Long Island.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
Let's fight.

Speaker 9 (01:14:35):
There's four bell on needing plays more. They're pretty close
to the zos, don't cost much to carry at the
bell On and they're paying an extra of center two
on the leader. You know, this is crazy, like and
I'm not saying that we should do this, but I'm
here in Fogo Island. You're in Saint John's. If build,
it's the same thing as yours, same same costs. I
know they can't do that with gas, but they can
do a lot better job than this. And now that

(01:14:57):
they got a new government, and I'm hoping they're going
to look at this and put some regulations and cut
down the number of zones and make it clear for
all new Philanders.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
You know, I know where you're coming from Mayor Shay
anything else this morning.

Speaker 9 (01:15:10):
Yeah, I just want to mention too that I'm going
to be at the Federation Municipalities meeting in corner Brook
the weekend, and any municipalities that are looking at this,
you know you can see me. Everybody should know me
and been there for about twenty five years. You know
you should should come along and have a chat about it,
because if we all get together, maybe we can do
something about this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
I appreciate your time, thanks for doing it, and thank
you pleasure, right byebye. Mayor Addresche, the mayor of Fogo Island.
And when he said five cents, you know full well
there's plenty of people listening and say, yeah, how about
that five cents, the notorious five cents that sill remains
under price of a leader of gasoline. Just for clarification
once again, and that five cents does not go to

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Brea and the renewable fuels out there that used to
be the combo transfor refinery. It doesn't go to their operations.
Former owner silver Peak gets the five cents. And I
think there's another couple of sense here and there that
we really don't fully understand about why they're in place,
so that five cents that does not going to BREA,
and people say it wasn't not to keep the facility
in warm idle while they look for another suitor. Actually,

(01:16:14):
the province put cash on the barrelhead, just about seventeen
million dollars in cash to keep come by chance and
word model to wait to see who wanted to buy it.
And in this case obviously Bray Renewable fuels about it,
retooled it and off they go, so that five cents
is not going to Brea, goes to Silver Peak. But anyway,
let's get a break in when we come back. Today's
a good day to get on the program if you're

(01:16:36):
in and around town seven zero nine two seven three
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one eight eight eight five ninety vocm, which is eighty
six twenty six. We're taking a break and then we're
coming back. Welcome back to the show. Let's go to
line number one to say good morning to the manager
at the Center for Social Enterprise at Memorial University. That's
doctor Jillian Morrisey. Doctor Morrisey, you're on.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
The air, Hi, Patty, how are you great?

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
How you doing?

Speaker 8 (01:17:01):
I'm well, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
It's great to talk with you again. I think it
was June last time we spoke when we were launching
the SERI Leads Social Impact One. So it's great to
be back and have another chat with you today.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Welcome back to the program, and happy Social Enterprise Week
to you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
Yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
So.

Speaker 5 (01:17:16):
Social Enterprise Week is the Center's way and university's way
of celebrating the larger Global Entrepreneurship Week, and technically Social
Enterprise Day is only one day of that week on Thursday,
but we turn it into six days with events and
we're super excited for this third edition of the celebration.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
What I think is helpful before we get into the
concept of social enterprise and what its position is in
the economy is if you could paint it's a picture
of a past social enterprise that people might recognize as
to what they do and the jobs they've created, or
whatever the case may be, so that people have some
base understanding. Because I guarantee you if I ask one
hundred people what a social enterprise is, might get half

(01:17:54):
that have some inkling.

Speaker 10 (01:17:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
Absolutely, So the global sort of for probably accepted definition
of social enterprise is a business that generates a significant
portion of its revenue through the sales of goods and.

Speaker 13 (01:18:07):
Services, while also embedding a social, cultural, or environmental purpose,
sometimes all three into the business, and they reinvest at
least half or more of their profits into that purpose,
so achieving that goal.

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
And here at the Center for Social Enterprise, we actually
recognize sort of a broader definition, so we include traditional
charities and nonprofits in any sort of organization that is
pursuing that mission or social mission and purpose, even if
they're not fifty one percent self generating in the revenue
department and reinvesting it all. But New Koland Laborator actually

(01:18:42):
has a long history of social entrepreneurship and these types
of social innovation activities. If we think historically back to
the work of Say non Ya, which is a very
kind of well known store in downtown Saint John's and
the work of women creating these handicrafts in the wartime.
We look to more modern organizations, I think of Smart

(01:19:04):
Ice and Choices for Youth, which runs several social enterprises
here in Saint John's. Those organizations are doing work in
different areas, but promoting the health and well being in
different areas.

Speaker 8 (01:19:17):
We'll say for.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
Youth and young people, and smart ice in particular working
in the North and working with indigenous populations across the
global nooks. So social enterprises kind of can come up
in any form or working in any industry. We have
them all across this province and certainly all across Canada
as well. And the feature is really that it's a
business or an organization that's pushing towards a social, environmental

(01:19:40):
or cultural mission.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
When people think of an incubator for business, you know
the Genesis Center and that's all about tech. How does
an incubator work in social enterprise?

Speaker 7 (01:19:50):
Ah?

Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
Yeah, So the Center for Social Enterprise that Memorial is
actually the home of the only social ventures incubator in
the province. So while we support sort of traditional entrepreneurship
skill building, we focus in on the social impact piece.
So our ventures get specific training in social impact measurement,
being able to report on and talk about the types

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of impact that they have and the value they're creating
in our communities. And then we do other sort of
training that's specific to developing that mission. So really honing
in on what the impact is that you're trying to
create in the world. And we have seven ventures in
the incubator right now. That's a year long program and
it spans many industries and sectors as I mentioned, So

(01:20:32):
we've got everything from corrections and justice to food service,
arts and culture, a bunch of different things in the
incubator right now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
How do you go about selecting which companies will make
it through initial funding and then additional rounds of funding Causset.
I hate to go back to genesis, but in the
world of tech, you identify a problem, proposal, solution, and
innovate to solve it. In the world of social enterprise,
the metrics are a little bit different. So how do
you approach that application stage?

Speaker 5 (01:21:01):
Yeah, absolutely so our ventures and the Incubator go through
a rigorous sort of application process as well. They have
to submit a written application and then that's reviewed by
a panel and the top ten or maybe twelve go
to an interview process. And what we're looking for is
sort of a reasonable projection of achieving the social impact

(01:21:27):
that they desire to have. So that's looking at whether
the person has experienced in the space, whether the business
is already operational, that sort of thing. And actually, Patty
this afternoon to kick off Social Enterprise Week, we're having
a big celebration here in the Social Change Maker space
and the Faculty of Business Administration, one of our Social
Venture incubator Entrepreneur. That's a mouseful, but Mike Taylor is

(01:21:50):
going to be here talking at a student panel. So
we have four students coming in this afternoon to talk
about their experiences at the center programming, and Mike is
going to speak to his time. I'm in the incubators.
So far, You've got one more semester left with us,
and so if anybody's sort of interested in hearing about
that that particular program, you can certainly come in. We've
got a student panel starting at two and we'll have

(01:22:12):
three other students joining in as well, moderated by a
familiar faith to or voice maybe to radio listeners, doctor
Tom Cooper, who's a professor of strategy here at Memorial.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
This is a very general question, and I don't want
to put you on the spot, but when you know,
Income and President talk about the future of different programs
of study, talk about Harlow Campus and the need to
find twenty million dollars in savings and tuitions. Partly, tuition
is up and enrollment is down. Where does the Center
for Social Enterprise fall inside that priority list for leadership

(01:22:46):
at Memorial University because somewhere at some point, just even
given doctor Morrison's background and given the financial realities that month,
some things might go by the wayside. So what's your
pitch for your organization or what role do you think
it plays in the big scheme with it that monitor.

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
Well, I believe that the Center really contributes to Memorial's
special obligation in terms of ensuring a brighter future for
the province and the communities here in Newfoundland and Labrador.
We are a pan campus center, so we serve all
of Memorial's campuses across the three big towns and cities
here in the province, so the Saint John's Grandfell Campus

(01:23:23):
and Labrador Campus, and we connect with and work with
communities across the province. So we have a very broad mandate.
We work with a lot of folks. We are having
significant impact in Patty. In early twenty twenty six, I'm
looking forward to releasing an impact report on the center.
But I can tell you that just last year in
twenty twenty four, we put out over one hundred thousand

(01:23:45):
dollars of wages to students to work with local social
enterprises in the province, and that's focused on scaling impact
of those organizations, helping them become more financially sustainable and
have a bigger impact and support their work in community.
So I really see the Center as promoting that special
obligation of the university and supporting sort of our public

(01:24:05):
engagement mandate as well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Really appreciate your time this morning here, Dr Morris. See
anything else before we.

Speaker 5 (01:24:11):
Say goodbye, Well, just that we have a full schedule
event for the next six days, so you can jump
on our website mon dot caa slash Social Enterprise and
if you click that big Social Enterprise Week banner you'll
get all the events and we're certainly looking forward to
seeing student, staff, faculty and general community out this week.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Appreciate your time, thanks for doing it, have a great week.

Speaker 5 (01:24:31):
Thanks Satti, you too, have a good one, you too, byebye.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Doctor Gillian Morris's the manager at the Center for Social Enterprise.
You know, sometimes it sounds like a very basic question
to get conversations going, but I do think there's plenty
confusion out there about what actually constitutes the social enterprise.
There's no technical economic definition or legal definition but just
to give it some sort of context so people know
while we're actually talking about is helpful. I think. Anyway,

(01:24:58):
when we hear from Andrew sha, mayor of Fogg Island,
talking about the amount they pay for fuel on the island,
and of course the feedback is predictable is that of
course it's going to cost more, but not everything costs
different amounts based on where you live. So their concerns
are interesting and for starters, the twenty nine zone confusion

(01:25:18):
is very very real. And when this was first coming about,
I tried to paint the picture like this because we
didn't know exactly how the formul was going to work.
But the base understanding was if we were to see
a one cent increase in town, it could be a
seven cent increase in Sant Brendan's. There was consultations that
were held for months and I'm not so sure what

(01:25:39):
the uptake was like, but I don't think it was
very robust. And consequently, here we are. So I get
that it might cost more for one product that would
be delivered or another, but I mean, Mahershay is concerned.
He's representing the residents of Fog Island, not the residents
of these Dennis Saint John's. So obviously and in so
far as my comment as there might be a time

(01:25:59):
to the future where, for instance, the delivery of home
heating oil stove oil might be hard to come by.
I mean, we're not making it up, because it just happened,
and it may indeed happen into the future. The private
sector of business models may indeed change. So I'm not
so sure how that is all of a sudden. Someone said,
by you're you're doing that just for clicks. Well, for startays,

(01:26:21):
I don't do stuff for clicks. And secondly, it just happened,
and there's still no secured long term future for delivery
of that particular product on that particular island. All right,
let's see here. Let's check it on the Twitter box
fore Vo simop online. You can follow us there. Oh
and someone says, you know, funny how a silver peak
asked for and got five cents. Well, there was no
more gas to be refined on the island, given come

(01:26:43):
by chances now produced renewable fuels, and so yeah, you're right,
they asked for And as I've said many times, must
be nice to have a business model where the government
can subsidize your all of a sudden increase operating expenses.
Went on to mention, but Irving has been delivering gasoline
to this island for a long time and not getting
additional five cents. Let's not pretend there's not a premium

(01:27:05):
being paid to IRV Irving for their delivery. I think
he goes on to mention that they were finding a
product from outside the country, Saudi Arabia for instance. Yeah,
and that's not the government that's Irving. They decided to
buy and settle into contracts with the Saudi's and that's
where they buy the oil. Ottawa doesn't tell Irving's where

(01:27:27):
to buy their oil. And if you think they should, boy,
oh boy, all the isms that get flicked around. It's funny,
all of a sudden, you want the government mandating a
private sector company where they can buy their in this
case oil supply. Interesting. Let's get a break in when
we come back. Tons of time left for you. Don't
go away.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
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Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
At nine am.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Welcome back. Let's go to line number one. Dave, You're
on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Right, Good morning, Good morning. How are you, buddy?

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Doing okay? Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Well? I was doing okay until I read museum's front
page this morning, like I always do, go to the news,
and I've seen what is absolutely a piece of pathetic
political posturing by mister Hogan, our ex premier, who now

(01:28:32):
has confirmed I guess basically, I don't know if it's
his opinion or where it comes from, but he's convinced
that the new plans take on our uncertainty of the
quality of the MoU with Quebec, has somehow jeopardized this
nation building initiative of the federal government. So that's why

(01:28:54):
we weren't included in it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
It got to be some truth to that, because the
project's like first the major project's list includes a lot
of stuff that's already been approved, and some of it
for years. So isn't there some truth to the fact
that with something in limbo, why would anyone jump on
board for fast tracking something that is legitimately in limbo?
Not because I say so, because Premier vakeums I.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Saw yeah, and it should be in limbo. As a
matter of fact, it should not have ever been the
only option on the table, written by Quebec according to
the laws of Quebec and once again going to be
something for like fifty years. Well, I don't need to

(01:29:37):
be repetitive to say that if we look back in history,
that that type of arrangement has never worked for us.
But beyond that, there's obviously options that they're not considering,
which makes me wonder because I'm sure that I'm not
the only one that realizes the potential of not only

(01:29:58):
signing a dumb deal, which is what this one is,
but also the only deal. We're sitting here right now
in Newfland, Labrador, on our on our soil, which means
it is our power potential to be able to develop
our potential projects in this province. Encompass Gull Island twenty

(01:30:24):
two hundred and fifty megawatts. Now this is above and
beyond the Upper Churchill, so Gull Island has the potential
of twenty two hundred and fifty megawatts, Lobstick three hundred megawatts,
Dominion Lake two hundred megawatts, CF two one thousand megawatts,

(01:30:45):
Manippie Lake two hundred megawatts and Churchill Falls upgrades that
could potentially be another one hundred and fifty megawatts for
a total of twelve thousand megawatts controllable in the lower
Churchill basin could be developed and not even touched the
Upper Churchill agreement it times out in forty one. Okay, well,

(01:31:10):
obviously your first attempt at a deal for us was
either a not very well thought out or was thought
out without us being at table, which is obviously what
took place and what's still taking place Ottawa. Mister Kearney
just confirmed that if you're not willing Newfoundland Labrador to

(01:31:31):
bend over and take it again from Quebec, that we're
not going to include you in nation building projects, even
though this project that you're looking at in Newfoundland should
have more potential for you in nation building potential for
you within your own province. I guess this kind of

(01:31:51):
puts us in the same seat as Alberta, where we
were chasing net zero dreams and green energy things and whatever.
We're gonna put Alberta out of the entire ability to
mainstay itself, to be able to look to the future
developing what they're good at and what they have plenty

(01:32:12):
of exactly the same deal going on here in Newfoundland
right now, Federalism stepping into the way, supporting the initiatives
of one province over the other while sacrificing us. And
I'm going to tell you what this newfoland there is
not exactly ready to roll over on that. We're to

(01:32:34):
say that the Liberals made any right moves, not even
one right move in basically discussing anything on the Churchill project,
either Upper Churchill or Lower Churchill Basin, there wasn't much
original thought that came into any of that. What came
into that was a plan carte blanche handed over from Quebec.

(01:32:56):
Oh there you go. See it sounds good to you. Yet,
well don't read too well because if you read between
the lines, it ain't that much of a deal.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
Let me ask a couple of questions to do better?

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Is there?

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Let me ask you a couple of questions. How is
federalism creeping in here? What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Well, here's what's creeping in there. Federalism itself has totally
shown its face by us not going to necessarily be
part of this foot over your neck deal from Quebec
that we're not going to be considered in any of
these nation building projects. And the nation building projects are
supposed to include building within Newfoundland and Labrador. We're supposed

(01:33:36):
to be part of that nation. And if you want
to sit down and look at the weighted side US
versus Quebec on what will happen with the sale of
this power? Right now, there are two nation building projects
proposed by Quebec to put transmission corridors into the US
to develop more power to export more Well, whose power

(01:34:02):
is that it? In Quebec's They already had a trouble
this year in Quebec with producing domestic power for their
own needs, same as US, affected by drought, conditions, affected
by low water, low generating conditions, reservoirs being down. Well,
it's not. Don't take an actual rocket scientist or anybody

(01:34:26):
have any great shall we say, technical or engineering ability
to see that all of this power getting developed and
transmissions getting developed is to export our power out. Now,
should that have been Should that have arrived with a
fair deal for US where we were really arguably going

(01:34:46):
to benefit as much as Quebec, maybe this conversation would
be different. But the problem with this conversation is and
we've just had it shown to us. This deal was
not only scripted outside of Newfoundland, but it obviously was
scripted without much Newfoundland input. Because if we have all

(01:35:11):
of these professionals, all of these pros that are supposed
to be here in the original team that was put
together to scrutinize this deal, the potential of development while
we wait until twenty forty one, because we show them no,
we're not going to be taken care of again. We'll
continue on as we will and we'll pick some of

(01:35:33):
these projects Dominion Lake or part of the basin that
we can get into the export of power or the
power to be able to produce here in connection with industry.
There's that many places globally that would love to have
a clean and reliable source of electricity that we haven't
even attempted to sit down and discuss or even extend

(01:35:56):
the olive wrench that we are open for discussion. Need
to just up sign Quebec's deal and run with it.
And if we don't, the federal government is now showing
us that they're going to wrap us on the knuckles
for not having done so.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Pathetic, would you be willing to conceive that this province
will not go it alone. He call island.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
This province should go a loan and goll Island and whatever,
because people who argument will come up, do we have
the money. No, we'll do the same as Quebec will do.
We'll bord it on the merit of the project. We'll
probably entertain some partners to come on that have the money.

(01:36:41):
There are lots of people, There are companies that have
the money to develop Go Island even if this government can't.
It's out there.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
It's not just about access to capital, because you're right.
If it has a business model ducts shows profitability, you
can probably get some of the loan of the money.
I'm not disputing that whatsoever. The most complicating factor for me,
and if you think I'm wrong, just let me know,
is gall with that amount of power and twenty five
megawats thereabout for firm hard output. It's getting the power

(01:37:13):
out of there is maybe the trickiest power because muskrat Falls.
As much as it's a dam on the Church of River,
it's as much a transmission project as anything else. Whether
it be across the Labrador Straight, whether it be down
through the long range mountains, whether it be across the
maritime link. It's a transmission project. Imagine the capacity need
to be built to get Gull Island power out of here.
I mean even if you use I don't know, give

(01:37:33):
us a number five hundred megawatts for expansion of the
mining industry and Labrador, it still leaves you seventeen eighteen
hundred megawats with no home until you actually build the capacity.
So get in that power. Let's just say to the
mainland with the exact same route, long range mountains, maritime link,
find a home in Ontario, find a home in the
northeastern United States, man oh Man. By the time that okay,

(01:37:55):
a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
The answer could be in subsea cable. There's an actual
proposal on the table now for a company to produce
power in Labrador and use a subse cable to deliver
it to New York. So these type of things can
be done. Now, you've got to also ask yourself a question.
If we have been denied by Quebec once again for

(01:38:18):
any transmissionability through their province for anything even from Churchill
Falls to any new project that would take place, and
the only thing that we expect that we're going to
be able to do is to sign an agreement that
gives us about maybe fifteen percent of the opportunity that
Quebec is getting in terms of the price that'll be

(01:38:39):
arrived at per kilowatt hour from power generated to Newfoundland Labrador.
That I would assume to you that our position is
much stronger, saying that you can put in a bit
of infrastructure, but you can't put in the rivers, you
can't put in the waterway. The necessary components that you
need to make this project work we have. Don't overplay

(01:39:00):
what you're going to bring to the table. Don't overplay
the fact that you will come up with the money
to get some cranes and some ships and some a
work crew together to build the infrastructure, because if we
didn't have first what was necessary, there would be no
need for the infrastructure there. Quebec just basically proved that

(01:39:21):
they have a plan that the federal government is part
of to start routing power into the US. And it's
not power that's going to be generated in Quebec from
solar panels or wind projects or anything else. As a
matter of fact, if we were to go in and
look at these other networks, these other possibilities that we

(01:39:42):
could for hydroelectric production in Labrador in the lower Churchill basin.
By damning these structures, we would actually hold back a
greater reservoir of water that we wouldn't be looking at.
Empty viaducts, empty canals leading into these rivers are sources
that where they're down and you can't you got to

(01:40:03):
turn the generators down because your water is so low.
If you held it back, you'd also have a bigger
body of water in that area emitting moisture into the
air that would turn to rain. The reason that a
lot of the rain doesn't happen, the conversation doesn't happen,
it doesn't get up above us and drop again. Well,
if the water was there, we would even see an

(01:40:26):
improvement from people that I've discussed with weather patterns.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
I really don't know much about that, but I mean, look,
and this is not about whether or not the current
MoU is good or bad, great or atrocious. There's a
geographical consideration here. There just has to be the reason
why Quebec has such an advantage over us with proximity
to power is proximity to power is proximity to customer.
I mean to get power out of Labrador goes one

(01:40:51):
of two ways, not because I say so, because the
map says so.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
It either, But that's not the only reason that Quebec
is doing what it's doing. But Dave, just let me
make my point long ago and stop pipelines because it
don't benefit Quebec.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
Which has nothing to do with the hydro conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
There's only it's just a general mantra insight. I think
the genre of what we're talking about, you can drop
from the fact that if it don't work for Quebec
most it don't work.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
Absolutely everyone agrees with that, Dave. But I mean, let's
just be realist again. Again, this is not about the MoU.
This is about geography. The reason why Quebec seems to
be the prime customer, should we have a better deal, probably,
But the only reason Quebec seems to be the customer
at this moment of time is because they can get
the power to market and at this current moment of
time we cannot. It's as simple as that. Now, if

(01:41:36):
the FEDS get involved with any East West Energy quarter
or changes everything. If the FEDS get involved with actually
falling for Quebec's lobbying for them to get involved in transmission,
which would bring the power from the Church of River
into the say New York City or New York State.
That changes everything as well. But getting the power out
of here is as much part of the conversation as
an average billion dollars a year as one aboady want

(01:41:59):
just geographically yep.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
And as far as I'm concerned, what I've been told
by people in and know, we have the ability to
get the power out here, and it does not necessarily
have to be by any means other than subse cable
or whatever. And what even if we don't get the
power out of here, we have the power to offer
the industry to come here, to set up industries that

(01:42:24):
create jobs and actually create an economy. We do not
have to be all held to get really this power.
We've got lots of minerals here, our absolute mineralogy and
our access to things like oil and gas and whatever.
With the power, we should be considered an industrial hotspot

(01:42:46):
rather than somebody that's looked at with their pockets hanging
out and their handout and asking, sir, please, can you
give us something. We're downplaying what we have. We're downplaying
what we have to offer to direct the world. I mean,
we got immigration going on at the larning rate. Well,
let's bring some immigration for the right reasons, because we

(01:43:07):
have jobs and because we have something here to offer
the rest of the world. I guarantee you, with all
the instability that's been created by likes of Donald Trump
and The's tariffs and everything else that's been going on
ugly in our world, that we represent any type of
alternative and or ending that could be probably somewhat away
from those type of analogous situations that we all hate

(01:43:32):
and somewhat can't control. Newfoundland is a hotspot for activity
from everything from manufacturing to the production of precious minerals,
at least above and beyond shipping out raw materials and
so many other things. We do not need to hover
on the fact that we can't transport.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Nobody said nobody, but nobody said you can't get far off.
Nobody said that. I mean, I certainly didn't say it.
I've just talk about the geographical realities of getting power
out of Labrador. We just went through the exact same
exercise with Muskrat, the exact same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
So anyway you remember it, talks at one time was
this great loop.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
That was all nonsense. It was never going to happen.
It was a branding exercise politically, I.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
Mean so for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Yeah, having new Brunswick Nova Scotia. Once they're out, the
Atlantic loop becomes no loop. Appreciate the time, Dave. I'm
late for the break, but I appreciate your time. Welcome,
bye bye. I just got a breaking when we came back.
Plenty show it for you, don't go away. We welcome
back to the show. Dave just walked in the studio
and said there was a caller there who wanted some
information about how to go about getting the Disability Tax Credit. Unfortunately,

(01:44:41):
you have to go through CIRA, which has proven to
be pretty difficult. There is an online application and just
some of the basics here. So once you get the
Disability Tax Credit, then you qualify for some of the
provincial benefits. So it's important to start at the top,
and that's with the Canada Revenue Agency. Still, I guess
plenty of confusion about constitutes eligibility. So okay, you need

(01:45:04):
a medical practitioner and first, like a nurse practitioner or
a family doctor can fill out the application for everything,
but for things like speaking or hearing or vision. You
can go to other professionals to be part of a
speech therapist or you're optimologist or what have you. But
here's the basics of it. If the medical professor practitioner

(01:45:26):
certifies that you have a severe or prolonged impairment in
one category, or you have significant limitations in two or
more categories and you need therapy or other types of supports,
then you may need be eligible. And I imagine there's
plenty of people listening that are technically eligible that have
not applied. And here's the categories. If you have biller

(01:45:46):
bladder function concerns, you have problem feeding yourself, dressing yourself,
mental functions, vision, speaking, hearing, walking, Then if you have
other ongoing therapies that are considered to be life sustaining.
For if you have severe or prolonged impairment in one,
you can be eligible. If you have significant limitations in

(01:46:08):
two or more, it could be eligible. Then you have
to go through CIRA. That's the most complicated part here
because it is not easy to deal with CRA. And
then you talk about folks who I hear so many
times that well, I don't have a family doctor, so
there's no sense of me going down this path. Number One,
a nurse practitioner can absolutely be of great help on
this front, and there are other pros that can be

(01:46:30):
part of it. So we're happy to share the information.
But again, every time I say to someone when you
have to contact the CIRA, then it becomes pretty tricky.
There is a callback request service that you can try
to organize, which can be helpful. It's not perfect, there's
nothing perfect. When we're talking about CIRA. Then make sure,

(01:46:52):
by a chance, you get to speak with someone on
the phone, which is tricky piece of business. There's a
few things that you have to have in front of you,
and if you don't, you're not going to get any
satisfaction in talk with the agent. Number one, the obvious
ones you need your full name, data birth, you need
your Social insurance number in front of you. But then
importantly you need a recent assist tax return or a

(01:47:15):
notice of assessment or a tax related document that is
from CRA. So if you don't have that in front
of yourself, then you are going to run up against
some Sarah can't help you on that front. The very
best idea is to set up a my account with
CIRA because that information would be right through your fingertips
if when you're able to get to speak with someone
on the phone, and yeah, you can use my cra

(01:47:38):
to go through it online in the form of applying
for this particular tax credit. All right's checking on Twitter
before we get to the news where a vosim of
line follows are email addresses, open line a VOSM dot com.
So while he says it's funny that you're talking about
transmission lines, or I remember to speak with Sean Skinner
on VOCM and asking why the ultimate goal was a
development to god Island, that the transmission lines currently build

(01:48:00):
for Muskrat Falls would not have the capacity for future development.
That was all one hundred percent price point. If we
haven't had an UPDATEA and overall costs at Muskrat since
we heard thirteen point five billion, it has to be
bigger than that at this moment if you broke it
down and I don't have the breakdown in front of me,
but that transmission cost versus all of the work done

(01:48:23):
on site at Muskrat, it's every bit of eight billion
is part of the thirteen and a half. Every bit
of eight billion. And if you talk about Gull and
getting that power out of there on a go to
loan basis, even if we had investors, whatever the case
would be, take that eight triple it because the amount
of power that you'd have to transmit, then add x

(01:48:44):
amount for increased cost, add for inflation, add for the
cost of skill, labor at for cost materials. And we're
talking about before there's a shovel in the ground at
Gull itself. To get the power out coming through across
the Labrador straight down the Long Range Mountain, across the
maritime link and getting to market. I don't know, twenty

(01:49:04):
five billion dollars just for the transmission of the power.
I mean, that's got to be right in the ballpark
for a bottle cost. Let's get a break in here
for the news. Let me come backward speaking with you.
Don't away the Tim Power Show. Joining the conversation weekday
afternoons at four pm on your VOCM. Welcome back. Let's
go to line number two. Call her. You're on the air.

Speaker 12 (01:49:27):
Hell Hi there, Hi, I'm just listening to your program.
You were talking about government disability tech credit. I did
that from my mother from two years before she passed away,
and what I did I downloaded the form of the Internet.
I brought her to the doctor, he filled it out
be signed off on it. When I did that, I

(01:49:50):
brought it to the company that did her taxes for
day forward to CIRA. About eight weeks later, she got
a letter saying she was approved and then they adjusted
their taxes for the years that one question I didn't
have best the roote I took and I didn't have
any issues.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
I mean, if you're lucky enough to have a quick
access to primary care and you're going to use the
online portal, and you have someone who's going to help
you out, like the tax prefayer, it can be pretty straightforward.
But it's not the same for everyone, especially for some
folks who you know, ask me about it and they
don't use a computer for those types of things, then
it becomes extremely complicated.

Speaker 9 (01:50:32):
Sorry.

Speaker 12 (01:50:32):
I printed the form, producted the doctor, and then got
a fact into revenue. Canada never had an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
Well, I'm glad it worked that way for you. Now
there is some I guess, potential complicating factors when we
talk about the continuous or the ongoing Canada post strike,
and I don't know if they're going to accept the
facts any longer, because I've tried to point people down
that road just to for them to get back to me,
say they're not taking my facts. So I'll get an
answer to those couple of questions. But I'm glad you

(01:51:02):
painted a relatively easy roadmap because it can be pretty straightforward.

Speaker 8 (01:51:07):
Yeah, because I mean the.

Speaker 12 (01:51:08):
Doctor never had any issues because he well, I mean
he hadn't got a doctor.

Speaker 9 (01:51:11):
Will you got a problem.

Speaker 12 (01:51:13):
So with mom, I didn't have any issues whatsoever, which
I was already surprised with us. Anyway, it looked out
for her, and they did. They did adjust access because
after that, a little while later she got a bot
of money from him, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:51:32):
Yeah, and when they adjusted her texts.

Speaker 12 (01:51:34):
For prior years if he did because she had dementia
so she needed constant care. So he put the date
on a desk. She got diagnosed, and they did it,
and it was ongoing thing because they knew it will
remain jo it gets worse, we.

Speaker 9 (01:51:50):
Don't get better.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Yeah, that's right. So I'm glad you've painted a picture
of relative easier because when people hear CRA they immediately
think this is not going to be easy. It's going
to be the furthest thing from But hopefully that's why
I bring it up as often as we do, because
it'd be great if those who are eligible actually took
the time to apply for it, because you never know
between the immediate savings and then the retro savings, there

(01:52:14):
is a lot of money.

Speaker 12 (01:52:15):
It's a lot of money.

Speaker 11 (01:52:16):
I don't trust me, it's a lot of money.

Speaker 12 (01:52:18):
So whoever, It's like if someone goes to hate and
R Block and they get a filled out from a doctor,
go to the person that tells your taxes and if
they can fact that, if they date facts, it's a
pretty easy process because you just get a copy of
saying that you got it. And it took like eight
weeks for her to get approved.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
Terrific information. I'm glad you called this morning. Thank you
all right, thanks, bye, welcome bye bye. Yeah. Well, I'm
glad she painted a picture of relative ease and a
you know, relatively short turnaround time of eight weeks, which
is not bad when you talk about dealing with the government.
I sometimes, as they'd say, this is going to be easy,
because dealing with the government sometimes can be the exact opposite,

(01:53:01):
not easy, and cra Look, there's major concerns about turnaround
times at CRA these days. I'm not exactly sure what
year she was talking about the initial application for her mom,
but the numbers coming out from the Auditor of General
about dealing with CIRA are concerning, you know, the amount
of time it takes to actually get to speak with someone,

(01:53:22):
and then the amount of misinformation that's provided by CIRA
themselves about CIRA operations. Not me saying it's the country's
Auditor General, Karen Howkins saying is it's got a line
number one.

Speaker 9 (01:53:31):
Darreler on the air, Well, Hi, Katty, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Okay, how about you?

Speaker 8 (01:53:37):
Oh, I'm doing good, Thank you very much and thanks
for having me on your show. They are Patty as
this two gentlemen on your show their day totten about
the MoU and Upper Church show and the power in general,
and I totally agree everything. What are you saying there
this morning? And but I also watched reading the news
their opposition leader John hol going to talk about how

(01:54:00):
he's disappointed that we never made to cut this time
for a nation building with hydro wherever the case may be.
But I can tell you pretty well the reason why,
when did negotiate that MoU the CEO of hydro Quebec.
When he'd done it, he left that position and now
he got appointed by Mark Karney. I think he's Mark

(01:54:22):
Kearney's right hand man. So when you look at the
whole picture, like you know, he negotiated upper Churchill, then
he left the position, went with Mark Kearney as right
hand man, leaves everything wide open. Why things are happening,
whey is going.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
I don't know if I can connect those dots as
easily as you are, because Michael Savier for starts defense
at this moment in time, have nothing to do with
the Arper Churchill negotiations or the MU or any defensive contract.
And it's also pretty important to note that Michael Savia
has a pretty long impressive track record beyond being the

(01:55:04):
CEO of new or part of me of hydro Quebec.
He was the chief financial officer of c N Rail.
He was the CEO of Bell Canada. Let's see here.
He was the director at the Monks School of Global Affairs,
what else, Deputy Minister of Finance for a few years
at one point, so he's he was also CEO of
Quebec's insurance company. I can't remember what that's called in

(01:55:25):
French case the depot, the something or other. So Michael
Saber was pretty much in demand. And now you're right,
he's the right hand man. He's the top civil servant
in the country as the clerk of the Privy Council.

Speaker 8 (01:55:36):
Yeah, exactly, And that's my whole point. Michael safe Seber knows,
no doubt, he got a tremendous background, and that's why
probably where hydro Quebec is worse too today, because you
got the talent and expertise off him, and he'd been
in other portfolios and and no doubt he do have
a tremendous resume and uh you know, and he and

(01:55:57):
he knows what he's doing. And then like background speaks
for herself that when I see my leader the opposition
that he's wonder why we never made the cut and whatever,
and you're you're right, like you know, it's going between
two problems. Is but when you look at it, he
negotiated that deal when he's CEO of hydro Quebec and

(01:56:18):
then he moved on to to be the right hand man.
I'm looking at it in a more open minded way.
All of a sudden he left you and he got
a pointed with Mark Karney. Yes, he got a tremendous resume,
there's no doubt about it. But when you look at it,
he negotiated that deal when he was CEO. Now he's
gone with the right hand man of Mark Karney.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
Is that a good thing?

Speaker 8 (01:56:37):
That that that's that's open for a good discussion there,
Patty's is good. You got a tremendous resume, a tremendous background,
like you just listed out. I'm not questioning that. But
he went to negotiated the Churchill the O m o U,

(01:56:59):
and then after that was done, he left and went
with Mark kearney right hand man. So if he's a
top civil servant with Mark Kearney, I'm not saying one
way or the other, but we better open our eyes
and take a look at this the whole picture, not
with tunnel vision because all of a sudden, No, he
negotiated AMOU so he's not going to want no changes.

Speaker 9 (01:57:21):
To it because he got negotiated.

Speaker 8 (01:57:24):
So as pertained to the federal government, like stepping in
and try and do something better, I don't think it's
going to happen because of because of what's already transpired.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
Yeah, but the government the same. But the federal government,
if they ever got involved, it's not about them renegotiating
the deal. It'd be about fast tracking the process environmental
and permitting and all of that kind of stuff, maybe financially,
and that would have to be beneficial to both entities.
But it's an interesting question has whether or not Michael
Saber's new perch is good or bad for that project

(01:57:59):
or those projects, right, I should say, and I don't
know what to answer that question.

Speaker 8 (01:58:02):
Would be, well, I think it's something that gotta be
a debate more and talked about more, because I mean,
my my red flags are gone up with this, like
with the fifty year deal, and and I listened to
other experts that were on your show talk about the
costs of generate more killer watts. You had him on

(01:58:22):
your show, and like day during this morning, I totally
agree everything what he said. So and then you know,
you get Michael sevy a all of a sudden left
after the deal was done and went with Mark Kearney. Yes,
he's a smart individual and highly qualified, but my red
flags are gone up when that happened. And I don't

(01:58:44):
think on the federal part of it, like the time
of nation building, critical minerals, natural gas, that's another thing.
We got enough natural gas and larbra Door probably look
after North America that that didn't even come into the equation.
So there's other things that got to be looked. But
I deeply think that when he left and went with
Mark Jarney, I don't think the FEDS down the road

(01:59:07):
is going to have any input in trying to work
out this deal.

Speaker 7 (01:59:12):
Though.

Speaker 8 (01:59:13):
I'm just very skeptical and I think we just got
to have an open mind to this and you know,
go to course slowly. I I don't care what it's
up next, April deadline, whatever. I mean, we got to
get this right. So take a sloan steady and get
more input in on all this stuff and take a
look at the whole picture in general. And what job

(01:59:35):
of me is when I see the opposition the need
of John Hogan, you know he's dismayed because we didn't
get a looking I said on mo Ou And I said, yeah,
because the reason why is because the man that was
the head of CEO of Pardo Quebec is now Mark
Kearney is right hand man.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
That's my opinion. And I appreciate your time. Thanks for
the call.

Speaker 8 (01:59:56):
Okay, thanks Patty, and you have a great day and
all best to you and your listening adites and stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
Thanks for all the best. You a couple of quick ones.
So the natural gas included project on the Major Projects
list is for LERG Canada Development DIC, which is just
the opportunity to liquify natural gas and export that, not produce,
so and there's an obvious difference there. And what's also

(02:00:23):
interesting is LNG Canada Development Incorporated is a pretty misleading
title for the name of a corporation. Why because the
partners are Patronis which is Brazilian Petro Canada or Petro
China which is Chinese Mitsubishi, and maybe Korea Gas as well.

(02:00:43):
So LNG Canada a little bit of a misnomer. And
you know what, Michael Savie also was in his past life.
He was the chairperson of the Canada Infrastructure Bank. Right,
So whether or not his position as the Clerk of
the Privy Council is a good thing or bad thing,
I don't really know, to be honest, but that's a
good conversation I have. And when you talk about nation
building projects, obviously the federal government thought Muskrat falls was

(02:01:07):
how do we know that? Because they said that, that's
how they justified to the rest of the country offering
federal loan guarantees to the development at Muskrat and of
which there has been at least three five billion under Harper,
initial three billion under Trudeau, another one billion in that
most recent round. So there's some considered there. And with
the Canada Infrastructure Bank, you know what project is in

(02:01:28):
the or under the auspices of that at this moment
in time. Another nation building project, Fixed Link, that's been
at the candid Infrastructure Bank for a couple of years. Rore,
Now has there been one step forward taking on it?
Not that I can see anyway. I found a break
in the morning. Don't go away, Welcome back to the show.
Some of just asked what were we saying about the
Infrastructure Bank look for shires. I'm not exactly sure how

(02:01:50):
many projects are currently being evaluated by the Canadian or
the Canada Infrastructure Bank, but what I mentioned was the
Fixed Link, the proposal to join Labrador to Newfoundland with
what it was the last consideration was an underground tunnel
on rails, as opposed to simply drive your vehicle across.
There's a variety of reasons why, but yes, that has

(02:02:11):
been taken on by the Candon Infrastructure Bank. It was
done at a Liberal policy convention two or three years
ago at this moment of time, you know, and some
people thought there was a glimmer of hope for that
potential project to get off the ground, given the fact
that it was at that entity, which has proven to
be not all that effective, if we're being honest, not
a whole whole lot has come out of it. But

(02:02:33):
that's what I said, is that the fixing proposal and
its current state is in the hands of the Canton
Infrastructure Bank. And I do think Darryl poses an interesting question,
and I don't really know what the answer is, is
whether or not Michael Saba, former Hydro Quebec CEO, the
fact that he's the Clerk of the Privy Council, whether
or not that's a good thing or a bad thing
for any expansion at the Upper Churchill, the development of

(02:02:55):
gall and transmission projects for the both of them. I
really don't know. If we're talking about this potential projects
to get on a major projects list, it can't hurt
that Saviors there, because even if the FEDS get involved
with the two lists that they've mentioned so far, the
first five and then the next seven, it's not like
the Fed's getting involved to the tune of renegotiating contracts.

(02:03:19):
It's much more about the regulatory process as anything. Now,
could there be some financial involvement, probably if we look
down the road, no doubt about it. And I've also
been asked what it means by the fact that some
of these projects that are on this fast track list
have already been approved. Well, the fact of the matter
is they have. Now is there still some work to
be done with final permitting and final removal or being

(02:03:43):
green lit from some additional environmental concerns brought up in
impact assessments? Yeah, probably so, But a lot of the
work has been done, which I think really does change
the possibility for the UPPER at this moment or the
UCMU to be involved in a fast track conversation, because
there's it is kind of in limbo, and for some

(02:04:05):
people that's a good thing, and some people wanted to
see a die on the vine, plain and simple. But
I think the more realistic place for potential fast track
would be in what was for he Brown about a
thirteen month process between the profits and negotiate with x
on Mobile about the benefits agreement and for the board
level negotiations on framework and benefits agreements. Because they're two

(02:04:28):
different things and it can take time. So maybe, just
maybe that's the role for talking major projects. I'd like
to be a fly on the wall for the behind
closed doors meetings between Premier Wakem and these Atlantic counterparts
the pardon me, the Atlantic counterparts and the governors of
the northeastern United States. Lots of interesting stuff must be
on the agenda.

Speaker 3 (02:04:48):
There.

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
Same thing with the first minister's meeting today, the first
for Premier Wakem. We're told that agenda is pretty fundamental.
Once again, it's about projects that did and did not
make the Major Project Office lists at this home in
the time, and it'd be nice to hear from the Premier.
Maybe we'll see if we can organize some time with
them tomorrow. But then also with the tariff relief of
funds that have been set up, haven't seen how they

(02:05:10):
have flowed realistically speaking of this problems as of yet,
but we'll have a look around. All right, good show today,
big thanks to all hands. We will indeed pick up
this conversation again tomorrow morning, right here on VCM and
Big Land of FM's Open Line on behalf of the
producer David Williams. I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself
a safe, fun happy day. We'll talk in the morning.
Bye bye

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