Monday Nov 24th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line call seven oh nine two
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Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Monday, November
the twenty fourth. This is Open Line. I'm your host
Patty Daily, David Williams. He's produced the program. Let's get
a going. If you're in the Saint John's metro region.
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eight eight five ninety VOCM, which is eighty six twenty six.
Last week we mentioned that Saint John's native Abbey Nook
made the Boston Fleet in the Professional Women's Hockey League
at a camp, sign a professional contract, and yesterday afternoon
made her pro debut. Made a point to tuning in
to have a look at Abby making her debut for
Boston as a professional hockey player. So no matter how

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it slice it, no matter what happens into the future. Now,
of course, I hope Abby has a long, successful professional
hockey career, maybe sneaking to a national team one of
these days. But pro hockey player forever more played yesterday
against Montreal. Boston beat Montreal to middle Okay, and I
hear more mentions of Jayda Lee, of course from this province,
broke records when she's played for the boys team at

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the cand of the summer games. Selected to play professional
women's baseball in the first round, fourteenth overall. But I
went down to read the story that some twenty women
from this country were selected in the inaugural professional women's
baseball draft and a quick check in on the new
plan regimen. Playing in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League,
of course, playing in Quebec this past weekend, they got
trounce Friday night six to one, bounced back with a

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six to two win to split the weekend. The right
in the middle of the pack in their division. Twenty
four games in twelve wins, ten losses, one overtime loss,
one shootout loss. But they're right there in the hunt,
all right, Just get to this story. It's always disheartening
to me when hockey is pointed too as one of
the problematic sports.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
There is a dark culture inside of hockey in some corners.
I think people can honestly admit that. But this report
coming from Hockey Canada is not great. And it's about
the number penalties handed out on the problems related to
racial and sexual discrimination. Because as anyone who's ever played
any sports, it's certainly contact sports. Emotions get the best

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of people, even the best of people, and people get
carried away. But this is a problem, all right. So
there's a rule called eleven point four related to comments
about the players race, religion, sex or sexual orientation. Last
season it was used fourty times, and that's way up
from twenty five times to previous season, all right, So

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obviously this is a problem. Now. For me, it's as
much a statement not only about hockey but about society
in general. Things are testing out there and things are
pretty nasty when it comes to the issues regarding misogyny
and homophobia and any other type of discrimination you can mention.
A lot of it of course comes and is born
from social media. But you know, when you look at

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young hockey players in this case young people period. A
lot of the bad behavior is a learned behavior, So
you wonder how much of it comes from what they
hear their own parents saying, what they hear their own
coaches saying, what they unfortunately hear political leader saying. So
obviously that conversation can happen between coaches or at Hockey
Newfoundland and Labrador or at Hockey Canada's level. But this

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type of thought process, this willingness to lash out placed
on race or sexual discrimination, is something that has moms
and dads and caregivers and dads and bops we really
have to talk about. I mean, you look around. Those
instances are out of control. Now. I realize social media
is not necessarily real life. The amount of rage farming

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that is coming from elsewhere in the world outside of
the country, and yes, inside of the country, really is
a poor reflection on where we are these days. But anyway,
that Hockey County report is certainly worth consideration, especially in
the hands and the hearts of the parents. What do
you think, all right, tis the season, whether it be
Black Friday shopping or Cyber Monday shopping, and or simply

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preparing for the Christmas season? About holiday season, the Errant
C is putting out their annual warning and it's a
good one. You know how many people have clicked online
to buy gifts, and whether it be high end electronics
or otherwise. The issue is for the criminals out there
who are casing the hood. They're going around your neighborhood.
They're looking for packages on the porches and they call

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themselves or we refer to them as porch pirates, So
be very aware. People take different approaches, whether it be
for neighbors to play a neighbor le role and keep
an eye out. You know that if you see a
package and you have an arrangement with your neighbor, if
you see it, do you mind grabbing it for me
before I get home from work or whatever the case
may be. Some people choose to have their packages delivered
to the office, which is is a possibility for some.

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I suppose it's worthwhile clearing up with your employer, but
Canadians lose millions of dollars per year for people to
steal in the package off your porch, So beware the
porch pirates. Come up with the plan so you can
save yourself that frustration. And I see in the world
of delivery. Apparently there's an agreement in principle, a potential

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tentative agreement coming when the language gets sorted up between
the Canada Postal workers and the Canada Post Corporation. No question,
something has to change. It really truly has to change.
I mean, you cannot have an unsustainable loss of a
billion dollars plus every single year at some point, whether
they be effectively insolvent or whatever the case we be. Now,

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the future Canada Post is very much in question, and
for many people around the last mile of delivery, they
can only hope that Canada Posts and doors into the future.
So whether it be doors to door delivery, whether it
be rural postal outlets, of which the are's some four
thousand in the country. But for the folks working for
Canada Post and the folks relying on Canada Post, they've

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got to change whatever's happening, because you cannot be viable
into the future with those types of losses. But it
looks like there's a tentative agreement coming eventually to be
voted on by the members some fifty five thousand plus,
and we'll see what that happens. It's not a whole
lot of detailed release shuts, so not much to get
into necessarily, but a big conversation in many parts of
the country, all right, And you know again, we're going

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to see lots of these types of stories in the
media leading up to the holiday season Christmas. When we
know that my purchasing power, the value of my money
is down, cost of living is up, the numbers of
people registering, whether it be at the Single Parents Association
or the two million plus people who are lying out
food banks, or any other charitable organization or not for profit,

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try to fill the gaps where people are falling through.
You know, farbeaed from me to suggest you do anything
under the sun with your own hard earned money, But
just look around at the need. It's unbelievable. And I
suppose I don't have any more of a unique perspective
than anybody else listen to the program. But we hear
a lot of stories here on the show live, and

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they pale in comparison to the number of emails we
got regarding people struggling on every different type of level imaginable.
So the charities are out there, they need your support.
If you are so inclined and have the capacity to
do so maybe give it some consideration into the future,
because how many people may have been the monthly donor
or twenty bucks, say to the Community Food Sharing Association,

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and that twenty bucks is not available any longer. And
I'm sure there's probably people out there listening who maybe
in the past have made sporadic donations but can maybe
afford to be a little bit more frequent a donor
to some of these charities. Again, it's your money, you
do whatever you like, but the need is just unbelievable.
And in that front, you know, I suppose we'll have
to get Susan Walsh back on the program. I always

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enjoy speaking with Susan. Of course, the problems a senior's advocate.
The report she released last week is I don't know
how surprised anybody should be, but we have the oldest
median age in the country twenty five percent of the population,
or senior sixty five plus. Their meeting income is the
lowest in the country. Violence skained seniors is on the rise.
So as seniors and or people who are moms or

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dads or NaNs or popster seniors, have you taken the
opportunity to read the Senior's Advocate Report, and if so
and you want to talk about some of the different
issues highlighted by Susan Walsh, we're absolutely happy to have
you on the program this morning. And I mentioned food banks.
Thirteen percent of seniors live in this province with model
to severe food and security. That's an increase of five
point four percent from the previous year. So there is

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a lot inside of that world. Even though some of
the quote unquote positive news, eighty eight percent of seniors
indicate that they're satisfied or very satisfied with their lives,
eighty four percent they feel somewhat or very strong and
their sense belonging. But there's a lot inside that report.
We're happy to take it on from any angle. Oh
and on that front, there was a email last week

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referring to the fact that Goal Bus only accepts cash.
Go Boss has offered us some clarification on exactly what
riders have to do in effort to pay. They do
have to pay a bus fare, but when you apply
and you're approved to be a Go Bus passenger, you
get a free bus program. For seniors that receive Guaranteed
Income SUPPLAM at number one, they receive a welcome package,

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including all the information and options regarding a part of me.
What is it a refillable card to pay and you
can do that online. So anyway, they wanted me to
put that out there, Happy to do it for the
purpose of accuracy, all right for folks living in and
around east end of town. So looks like there's some
two major housing developments are moving towards actually putting some

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units in place, whether it be on the old bally
Haley golf property or down a pleasant Field. Pleasant Field
is a Federal Crown corporation called Canada Lands Company. There
was actually representative in this studio last week speaking with
Jerry Lynn. They're talking about adding thousand homes in the
pleasant Val area. Now it's going to be mixed use
between apartment buildings, townhouses, Hopefully some retail and the like

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will be included. Add that to the twelve hundred proposed
units in bally Haley. We're told that the city has
no real concerns about that kind of addition. Up one thing,
the city needs housing. Let's just put that out there.
But even in the world of traffic, I live in
the East End and I'm not going to play nimbi
here because I realized that the city needs units and
needs them now. But boy, that's going to be an

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awful lot of activity in that neck of the woods.
But if you want to take it on, we can
do it. And on that front, you know, I've put
it out there a couple of times about the possibility
to have a conversation not immediate implementation of rent control.
Get some pushback from some landlords, and that's understandable. I mean,
we know their perspective would be different than those who

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are looking at a very low vacancy rate and the
increase in the cost of rent. So how do we
pragmatically approach that conversation one and some people don't want
to hear, But seele Vi, there's lots of finger points
of blame going around, whether it be with some of
the hurles you have to clear at the municipal level,
whether it be some of the lack of information that
Build Canada Homes, a new special operating agency created in

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the most recent budget. People will talk about the role
of the province, okay, and then there's lots of finger
points of blame at a certain group of newcomers immigrants
of the country about the pressures they put on housing. Now,
it's clear that the housing market has not kept up
with the pace of population growth. Same thing can be

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said for access to primary care in the healthcare system.
But what gets left out of this is pretty important feature.
It's just about how many homes in this country are
owned by foreign investment and corporate ownership. It's an issue,
it really truly is. According to Stats Canada, institutional investors
now own twenty percent of Canada's housing stock. At many

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of those units get empty. It's a speculative market, so
they buy them up. They don't even necessarily have to
rent them at this very moment in time because they
can sit on it. They've got the very deep pockets
American hedge funds or otherwise. So while we point fingers
a blame around at different levels of government, at different
segments of society, how about that, I mean foreign investors,

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I mean that is nowhere near Canada's best interest for
twenty percent of housing stock to be owned by institutional investors.
And again according to Stats Canada, and they actually have
some relatively detailed numbers on the number of units owned
by foreign entities that remain empty. And they go on
to talk about very real things. Over the last two decades,

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real wages have stagnated for the most part for many Canadians.
Corporate profits have swored. Then you can incorporate things like
predatory landlords and the conversion into short term rentals, which
is an impact in some communities, no question about it.
But the finger point to blame maybe doesn't always get
pointed in the right direction necessarily. And this is the

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story out there, not exactly show to make of it,
But how many people as opposed to go directly to
your favorite hotel or hotel company, you lose one of
the vacation apps booking dot com or hotels dot com
or whatever one you actually go to. But we have
to be so careful. Now. The fine print, of course,

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will rule the day. But how many people who click
the book a hotel room go all the way through
read every bit of fine print as opposed to the
bare necessities of understanding the hotel, the location, the proximity
to whatever event you want to attend, and the price.
This one's about what they call event pricing or surge pricing.
So this woman who wanted to go to the Formula

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one race in Montreal meet up some of their family
coming from abroad. She did all the homework and got
in there early in the game, booked their hotel rooms.
Fortnite's day to cost somewhere around just over four thousand dollars.
At some point shortly after Booking dot Com comes back
Toron and says, oh, we can't honor the it's not accurate.
They didn't incorporate the event pricing. They've got an algorithm

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that's baked in to your scrolling. But because of events
and the searge pricing, same thing could be said for
Uber and otherwise is of course for hoteliers and others.
If you know demand is going to be way up,
they'll take the opportunity to jack up their prices. And
so they said, oh, you can keep the hotel room,
but it's going to cost you seventeen thousand dollars as
opposed to four thousand dollars. It's patently unfair. And I

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mean the best bit of marketing is word of mouth.
And for companies that will not play long and hold
up there into the bargain. This lady did their work,
She did the search, she got into early, she booked
it and put it on her credit card, just to
be told shortly thereafter. Sorry, quadruple, you can have the room.
But I mean, come on right, all right? What else

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we want to get to here very quickly? All right,
So let's put the Upper Churchill back on the radar
again this morning. You know. The couple of observations that
many have made, included my this conversation would be so
different if it was simply sent for a different layer
or level of independent review the day after or the
week after it was first announced back in the rooms

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all those months ago. But here we are. Another question
I would have is I think most people see the
merit in an independent review. Why not? It's too much
on the line. We're talking about fifty plus years of
a relationship with hydro Quebec and the Province of Quebec.
But how how comprehensive can an independent review be of this? MoU?

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I mean thirty odd pages and it's going to cost
an I having a leg to get it done. I
don't begrudge the WAKEM government for doing it, because they
said they would, and people think it's probably a pretty
good idea. We can talk about timing and the deadlines
and all the rest of it, but hydro Quebec, remember
even in our independent review, we're probably not going to
get much in the way of information from hydro Quebec

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with all of their comments about replacement costs twelve to
fourteen cents versus the five point nine we're talking about
on average inside this MoU. So we're going to be
revealing half of the deal, it feels like, as opposed
to when definitive agreements come about and it's about time
to put pen to paper what that might mean for
a review at that stage. So there's a lot to it,

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of course, but if you want to take it on,
we can do it. And we're also talking about some
people's thoughts on industrial strategy and laborator in the mining
sector and artificial intelligence and data centers, even though not
so sure that's the best idea, but your thoughts are
welcome on that front. Social Media can be fun, can
be helpful, can be informative, can but it can also

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be brutal. Social media has given us a standing account
to make a boxing analogy. Artificial intelligence is here to
finish us off being hyperbolic. But when you look at
the Education Court and unfortunately some fifteen citations were identified
to be fake, not even real, but part of the
report which has knocked some of the credibility off it.

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Unfortunately so now, as reported by Justin Brake at The Independent,
a new Health Human Resources Commission plan part of me
commissioned by the previous Liberal government from global consulting from Deloitte,
costs one point six million dollars sites research papers that
don't exist. So what do we have to do here?
It's bad enough that we use consultants far too frequently

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at different government levels, but are we going to have
to put in clauses in contracts that say you cannot
use artificial intelligence to provide any of the documentary point
two that you cite in your report. Second one in
a row education so important. The credibility to the coord
in some people's minds has been compromised because of the
fake citations. Same thing here. What so, whether it be

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how Deloitte conducts these types of reports on behalf of
the government fairly lucrative contract but more fake citations. Just
look around in your own social media feed or anywhere
on the internet. What we see here read is becoming
extremely sely difficult to decipher number one and to understand

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whether or not it's real. It's just all day every day.
You know, how much time do you have to spend
if you're trying to get accurate information to go and
verify every little thing you read, every little thing you
see or hear, because who knows anymore legitimately, who knows
what the hell is going on? And a lot of
that is absolutely booted by AI. It could be helpful

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healthcare applications and otherwise, but for the vast majority of it,
boil boy, all right, last one, Oh and I heard
a new story about artificial intelligence and AI scribe the
transcribing of your conversation between you and your doctors. Some
privacy concerns have been highlighted. It does deal with some
administrative time spent by doctors and their assistance or clerical staff.

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But anything got to envelope. Let's go, all right, a
couple of very quick ones. So the G twenty just
wrapped up in South Africa, the first time it was
held in Africa. Period. You know, people will bemoan the
Prime Minister traveling around and what have you. But you know,
to try to strike and further some partnerships economically and

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otherwise in the world, I don't know what option is available.
But then asked by members of the media about when's
the last time or do you plan on speaking with
President Trump in the near future, and the Prime Minister,
a little bit too cavalier for my liking, simply says
who cares? Even if I don't think many Canadians think
we should just get on bended knee and do whatever

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we're told by the Americans. Why would we We have
stuff they need and want and we should negotiate the
best deal possible. But it's also words matter, and we
know there's a petulant individual sitting in the Oval office,
so things like that would just further draw his ire
look now further and how they reacted to the Ronald
Reagan referenced ad from by the Government of Ontario Premier
for it. But the Prime Minister needn't speak like that.

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Is it important to deal with Americans? Of course? Is there?
Do we rely so much on the Americans historically? Probably so,
given what we're dealing with at this moment in time.
So anyway, there has been some deals struck, and of
course agreements of principle. You don't come home with suitcases
full of money, you're big checks in your pocket, but
you want to talk about that type of action abroad,

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and where we are in the national stage, where we
are in negotiations with the Americans on trade and what
have you. We're happy to do it here on this program,
of course. But imagine a final declaration come from the
G twenty with no contribution from the United States of America.
It's remarkable. It really truly is. Oh and in the
world of buying American food, of which there's plenty of

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sald and bought by people in this country, it's just
remarkable to me. Once again, So the EPA, the Environmental
Protection Agency in the United States, is now green lighting
pesticides made with p fasts forever chemicals. We talk about
pfas that has polluted the wells down in Torbay, for instance.
So they're using these pesticides with pfas on things like lettuce, roccoli, potatoes.

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They're also talking about weakening regulation regarding drinking water. But
that p fast conversation just for your information, if that's
going to be something in the future where you go
to the grocery store, see letters are brockly that came
from the United States, you need to ask yourself whether
or not the pesticide used to grow that product include
p fas and extremely dangerous to your health forever chemical.

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Ask the folks in Torbay about it and they'll tell you.
All right, we're on Twitter where vissim up aline follows there,
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get the week after a flying stat that means join
the quter, talk about whatever's on your mind. Don't go away.
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to LNE number two.
Good morning, Davidofski, you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Hey go hi the Patty.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
It's a long time since we spoke.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
I want to put a plug into the Positive Thinkers Club.
We're in our thirty six year of operation, started in
nineteen eighty nine, and we have a meeting coming up
this Saturday, November twenty ninth at ten am at the
Royal Canadian Legion Branch fifty six in Pleasantville, and we

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have wonderful guest speakers. This week we have Laura belle Mba,
who was the guest speaker first person of color to
run into provincial politics. So I wanted to put a
sheld out into invite anybody that would like to come
along to the event, to come and see us on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
David, I believe you and John Snow are the co founders,
aren't you.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
That's right? Yes, John passed away three or four years ago, unfortunately,
and we started the club in maybe worry of nineteen
eighty nine.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
It sounds pretty self explanatory what happens at the Positive
Thinkers Club and their events, But what does happen dth.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
We meet for breakfast. It's a breakfast meeting, and we
start with affirmations. That's a key out of what we
do at Positive Thinkers, Affirmations that help you feel good
about yourself and help you cope with life in general.
And then we have the me or the breakfast, and

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then we have a guest speaker from many different walks
of life, and then some housekeeping, and we usually finish
it around eleven thirty or so.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
What does average attendance look like? Dev How many people participate?

Speaker 4 (23:31):
We usually typically have between thirty and forty members, sometimes more,
sometimes less, but the average.

Speaker 6 (23:39):
Is about thirty to forty folks.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
You know, we all see. It depends on how much
how active people are on social media or the consumption
of news on television or what have you. But there's
an awful lot out there that make people feel down
in the mouth. To do them in the gloom is
hard to avoid. As positive as some people may be,
make your pitch to folks or maybe feeling that a
little bit of dark cloud hanging over their head and
having a hard time shaking it as to what positive

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thinkers might mean to them to maybe just give that affirmation,
give them that little sense of a bright light at
the end of whatever tunnel length may be.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yeah, well, we kind of think of it as a
recharging of the batteries. We meet every month on the
last Saturday of the month, and so we give ourselves
a bit of a lift and for sure, if anybody's
feeling down or if they're not, if there's some issue
that's that they're being faced with, it's a good way

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to kind of perke yourself up and enjoy a morning
and go back home ready to fight the day.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Again, because it's never ending battle. It feels like Dave
give the folks the details where and when for this
preactice meeting and to hear from Laura in.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Bah Sure it's next Saturday and November twenty ninth, at
ten am at the Royal Canedian Legion Branch fifty six
in Bill. You do have to register in advance, and
if you go to our website which is www dot

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Positive Stinkers Club dot c A, and you can register
online and all the information is there about the guest speaker,
and if you google us you'll find us that way
as well.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I appreciate making time for the show, Dave. Nice to
speak with you.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Yeah, and to you, Patty, and thank you so much
for time.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Happy to do it, Take good care bye. You know,
for some people in the ears might feel like, you know,
I don't need manufactured platitudes or affirmations what have you.
But boy, oh boy, some escape, you know, and you
know me, some of my escapes include things simply like
music and sports. But for maybe if that doesn't tickle

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your fancy, and you never know, maybe just give it
a shot and it might be something that becomes part
of your routine to be involved with the Positive Thinkers Club.
All right, let's get a break in right down time.
I want to come back. Lots of show left for you.
Don't go away, welcome back to the show. Let's go
to one number five to get more to the PC
member for Harberminche is the Minister of Justice and Public Safety.
That's Helen Conway Ottenheimer Minister. You're on the air.

Speaker 7 (26:11):
Good morning, Patty, and thank you very much for taking
the time to have me on this morning.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Happy to do it.

Speaker 7 (26:18):
So, Patty, I'm calling to let you know about a
very important event that we're holding tomorrow at Confederation Building
and it's the Purple Ribbon flag raising event. And it's
important that you know I call about this today because
this event is really drawing attention to the scourge, if

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you will, a gender based filing violence, which is happening
across our country, the world and even in our own
home here of Missulan, Labrador.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I mean, the event is important, but the topic itself,
of course is extremely import and the optic is unbelievable.
I mean, we've had emergency shelters even say that they're
over capacity, can't even accept it in other people they
can help direct to some other avenues for help, but
it's getting away from us. We get reports about the
core tockets, the number of cases involving into a partner

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of violence, child abuse and otherwise. So the event is
one thing. How are we going to use that as
a jumping off block to talk about the conversation a
little deeper.

Speaker 7 (27:23):
Well, first of all, you know, just speaking about violence
in general, which what you have just identified one important
statistic that I've heard recently that is very shocking, and
I think that needs to be put out there first
of all, before we even get into what some of
the solutions are, we need to understand that, for example,

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every forty hours in our country, a woman or girl
is killed in an act of gender based violence. So
to me, that that statistic alone is just it starts
and it's devastating because we know that violence destroys families, relationships, communities,

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and the devastating long term effects that it has on
its victims. So, you know, when we have this discussion
about you know, violence and gener based violence, we have
to recognize the serious of the seriousness of this and
that it's impacting you know, our our lives in our province,

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and that there are many women and general diverse individuals
that are suffering right now in silence in the homes
in our province.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
No question. Now, men can be on the receiving end,
but we're the minority as it pertains to intimate partner violence.
You know, what we also need is for people who
chime in on these conversations and simply say, if you're
living in a dangerous situation, simply leave. That really oversimplifies
a very complicated problem. It could be just and children,
or money, or pets, or even a place to go.

(29:04):
And sometimes it's the worry that if you do indeed leave,
that the violence just intensify. So please, people stop dismissing
or you know, talking down the issue with just saying, well,
if it's a bad situation, just simply leave, because nothing's
that simple.

Speaker 7 (29:18):
And you're right when the point you made about the
majority of victims of violent crime, for example, are women,
so we know that to be true. We also know
how difficult it is.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
It's not an.

Speaker 7 (29:32):
Easy thing to say for a woman to leave a
very abusive situation. That is that is very challenging at times,
and so that it's not an easy thing to happen,
and I'm glad that you acknowledge that. So when we
look at violence, getting to know your point, we believe

(29:54):
and from what we understand, and as the new Minister
of Women in Gender equ we know that violence is
preventable and of course, our goal is to have a
society free from it.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
But.

Speaker 7 (30:12):
That also is not an easy fix and it's going
to require much collaboration. I think there's many things that
we can do and that I, as a minister, I'm
committed to doing, for example, collaborating with community partners. That's

(30:32):
got to be a priority, to have a broadcast section
of our community engaged and participated, having multiple departments involved.
And something else, Patty, that I've discussed numerous times and
conversations with you on your program is the need for
a violence prevention action plan. There was one in place

(30:56):
back from twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen, was allowed to
lack that needs. We need to have that as a
model going forwards. It is very important that we have
a plan in place. We have to have evidence and
research as a foundation for any policies that we implement.

(31:17):
If we do not have that, then I believe we
are not really able to effectively tackle this serious problem
of gender based violence.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
It's a societal ill. And I think you use the
word scorge, and you're not wrong. You know, I mentioned
not to derail this conversation, but look, I mentioned a
story off the top this morning regarding hockey Canada statistics,
the amount of misogyny and racism and sexual discrimination. I
think that speaks to not just minor hockey, but I
think it speaks to the state of youth ad adults

(31:49):
across the country. The conversation is getting away from us.
If more and more young men feel disenfranchised and this
issue of misogyny creeps into their psyche as you, it's
likely to manifest itself into violence as they grow into adulthood,
grow into having relationships. So you know, even in schools
we talk about a body safety program what have you,

(32:10):
and that was long overdue, and I think that's going
to be helpful in the long term. I think we
have to be honest with ourselves and how we talk
with our youth as well, because if you form those
societal thoughts in your head about women or other races
being less than, then the possibility for you to be
on the core talocket as an abuser really grows. I
really think that we start a little bit too late

(32:31):
in life with these types of conversations, afraid to make
our children aware of some of the real problems in society,
but the problems when they are left unattended or in
the shadows, then of course things just get worse. They'll
learn all their bad habits from the buddies who don't
know what they're talking about, whether it be about sex
or violence or otherwise. So as adults and as educators
and as politicians, we owe it to them.

Speaker 7 (32:55):
You know. That is such a vital point that you make.
Why is that because we need to look at public
awareness about changing attitudes and at an early age, violence
prevention education campaigns need to be launched. I think that's
something that I am in the preliminary stages of examining,

(33:18):
looking at education, looking at changing attitudes at an early age,
and that is something I think that we need to
really concentrate on. If we're going to end the cycle
of violence. You know, we have to start by changing
you know, hearts and minds, and we must teach our

(33:39):
young people what healthy relationships look like. And that is critical.
That goes to the point that you just made, and
that is something that is very important. We're only in
early days here, you know, as Minister of Women in
Gender Equality, but that is definitely a pro you know,
a priority, and when you talk about public awareness as well, Patty,

(34:02):
that's why this event tomorrow is so important the provincial
Purple Ribbing campaign because it is about bringing public awareness,
it is about changing attitudes, and that's why you know
we have this. I mean, it's November the twenty fifth
to December the sixth, that is the sixteen days of

(34:25):
activism against gender based violence. So that is really important
because it's an international campaign. But our campaign of Purple
Ribbon campaign starts tomorrow and I'm very very you know,
hopeful that tomorrow really is the beginning of some very
effective and concrete change. We're going to have the premiere

(34:48):
will be attending, we will have Minister Evans who will
en see the event, Minister Barber who will also be
speaking at the event as well as myself, and we
will have fourteen of during this event, fourteen women and
girls who who you know lost their lives to genderbase

(35:11):
silence will be remembered and their families will be honored
for the courage that they've had to share their experiences.
We're going to be hearing from Lisa Lake, the mother
of Courtney Lake, who will be speaking about you know,
her daughter who is missing and suspected homicides. And so

(35:33):
it's a difficulty but it's very important because we need
to start to recognize the seriousness and the need for
us to start changing attitudes due to the violence that
we're seeing in our province. And so the event is
starts at eleven o'clock Patty and the main lobby of

(35:54):
Acceederation Building, East Block. It's open to the public. I
encourage members of the public to attend. We're also asking
any attendees to bring brightly colored flowers in memory of
people who've lost their lives or even if you've been
impacted by gender based violence. We all need to work

(36:16):
together and this is how we're going to be able
to end this violence in our community.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
So public awareness and a campaign to eradicate as best
possible obviously important. But then we arrive at a point
where violence has taken place and someone thinks it's enough,
it is enough, and they go and file a report
with the police. Then it's the conditions of release. So
where are we on the electronic monitoring. The proposed expansion
of the ankle bracelet program. I know expanded to Clarenville

(36:42):
last year sometime in the spring of the summer, but
that needs to be expanded and to include every single
person who's a repeat offender and or accused of a
serious active violence in the home into a partner violence.
So where are we on the ANCLE bracelet monitoring program.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
So with respect to that program, in fact, before we
became we entered into government, I know that there were
groups that had spoke out on that not only having
the electronic monitoring program, but for individuals that are out
on bail and that have been charged with you know, violence,

(37:19):
crimes of violence and so I you know, as the
Minister of Justice, am very supportive of that initiative. I
think it's it's something that we need to examine and
look at because I think that that is one way
at least to provide some sort of support and you know,

(37:42):
perhaps comfort and perhaps safety, hopefully safety for the victims
who have experienced violence at the hands of their their partners.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
This is not necessarily directly related to the topic, but
you know, whe there are victim serve charges what have you.
But as the Minister of Justice and Public Safety, you know,
it just pops into my mind with the numbers we see,
with the outstanding finds, and some of that can be
about victim serve charge. Someone could be about contraband tobacco.
Some of it can be with contravention of the Highway
Traffic Act. So there was talk about community service for

(38:18):
people who refuse to pay or simply cannot pay. And
not everyone will go ahead and abide by the community service,
but it's that essence of holding people accountable, which we
don't do enough of in this country. Is your plan
as the current minister to move forward exploring this community
service concept because to me it makes sense. I know
it comes with liabilities and supervision, but it might give
people pause before they go ahead and break a law,

(38:40):
knowing that their weekends might be cleaning up graffiti or
cleaning up bucks, or cleaning up needles, or whatever the
case may be.

Speaker 7 (38:46):
So as in a very strong supporter of any type
of community service order plan. So when we look at
you know, victim find surcharges or any other type of
sentencing option, I mean, we don't have that in place
in our province in terms of having community service, but

(39:07):
that is something that should be examined. I think it's important.
I think it goes to the issue of accountability, and
it goes to the issue of you know, looking at
these kinds of innovative policies or innovative programs that perhaps
may not have been entertained in the past by the

(39:29):
former administration. So I do think that that has to be,
as you say, explored. And you know, I'm still in
the early stages of my tenure as Minister of Justice
and Minister of Women in Gender Equality, and I might
add on that I'm really happy that you know both
of these departments. I think it's a benefit where I
am Minister of Justice and Public Safety and Minister of

(39:52):
Women in Gender Equality, because I think there will be
benefit there because these two departments intersect and can we
can integrate even more effective policies to tackle gender based violence. So,
whether it's with respect to policies, or whether it's respect
with respect to strengthening our laws so that there is

(40:15):
the safety for victims of violence.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Appreciate your times warning, minister, Thank.

Speaker 7 (40:19):
You, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Patty, You're welcome, Baba. Hell on, come my Attenheimer's Minister Justice,
Public Safety and Women. Let's see here, let's get a
break and don't go away. Welcome back to the show.
Let's go. Let number one say you're more to one
of our friends and colleagues over at CHMR. That's Memorial
University Radio. That's Colleen Power. Hi Colleen, you're on the air. Hi, Patty,
how are you great today? How about you?

Speaker 8 (40:42):
I'm pretty good, pretty good, and thanks so much for
taking my call. Uh, we're here on the radio, and
you know, you have got a lot of listeners and
you can reach the whole province and on call and
on behalf of HMR Mon Radio. We're going to start
having a series of fundraisers for the station, which you

(41:06):
know has a great history and we have been around
since nineteen fifty one.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Patty.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
We're one of the oldest and we are most you know,
the most well established community radio stations in the province,
and we've trained hundreds of professional broadcasters and journalists over
the years. And I know you did a little stint
at HMAR, Patty.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I did. My first exposure to being in the media
was at hm R. I was a guest on a
sports show and that led me into having a couple
of my own shows. So I was there for a
few years and it was great experience and without it,
I probably wouldn't even have my foot further into the
media pool as I do today.

Speaker 9 (41:48):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 8 (41:49):
So yeah, so we need a little bit of help
for our operations. And I heard all about your show.
I wasn't around when you had a show. And there's
been so many people will come through. You know, in
my fifteen years at the station, I've trained in in
the news department, so many journalists who went on, you know,
not not just local media. We've got people off in

(42:12):
you know, Scotland, We've got people and in Ontario, we've
got people uh you know doing TV in in Nova Scotia.
They went they went on not just to radio, but
to other communications venues and you know television stations. We've
we've had meteorologists come through and do their their stint

(42:33):
at c hm I as well. So we you know,
we we want to continue that work, and we want
to also promote local and emerging music, music, musicians and acts.
You know, we we we air a lot of local
talents on our radio stations. And in this day and
age when you know artists don't make money from streaming,

(42:57):
we still do. We uh, we pay out our royals
and we pay our so cant fees and it's we
are still an important entity that we you know, we
want to continue this work and we're not for profits,
so you know, today's economic climate is not really it's
not that supportive of not for profits and so it's

(43:18):
it's getting harder. So we're expanding our fundraising efforts to
to you know, keep running this public community service. We
still have lots of students and community members at the station,
very diverse programming. You know, we can have a look
at SHMRI dot ca A and see how many you know,
communities are represented on the station as well.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
So what does the finacial and fiscal future of ch
MAR look like at this point? I know ongoing fundraiser
is going to be part and parcel love, but where
is the station?

Speaker 8 (43:49):
Well, you know, we we are. We're still on the go.
It's just that right now. We kind of dropped off
with our fundraisers a little bit in in recent years,
but it was always a part of HMR, you know,
but everything is more expensive, so we're just trying to
keep it going. You know, we need a bit of help.

(44:10):
But right now, as it stands, we are going to
definitely have probably a few fundraisers a year to keep
our operations going with so many students and volunteers, you know,
equipment as you know, technology is always changing, so we
need we just need a bit.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Of a boost, fair enough, and I'll put this quick
plug in. You know, whether it be for opportunities for
young musicians, whether it be for some training for future
members of the media, whether it simply be as a
place for information to be exchanged, not only for Memorial
University students, but for everybody in the community. Every time
we lose, whether it be a small weekly newspaper or

(44:53):
a small media outlet or university radio station. Whether or
not you believe it to be true, the fact of
the matter is hurts. It's detrimental. For h Mayor to
go by the wayside would be an absolute shame. Not
just because I have a personal bias and did a
couple of shows over there, because that's a couple of
decades ago now, but losing every little piece of the
pie eventually just brings us back to this oversaturated media

(45:17):
conglomerate ownership of media. Every little out is important. So
if you can support H Mayor or your local weekly
or whatever the case may be, if you think about
it broad terms, they're the people that cover the small
issues where you are. We can cover international diplomacy on
hm mayor. But issues that are small to the university
community or to the community at large, that's where you
get the coverage, not at the big conglomorate media companies,

(45:39):
at outlets like HMMY. So hopefully the future is bright.

Speaker 8 (45:44):
Yes, indeed, Patty. So our first fundraiser we're having is
a HMR celebrity Alumni karaoke and so we've got members
of local media coming in the same some karaoke and
we're go to sit down and enjoy listening to them
sing karaoke, and hopefully we'll get a lot of people.

(46:06):
It's coming up on December fourth at the Breezeway. As
you probably know, c HMR on Radio is owned and
operated by the Memorial University studentcy Union, so they are
providing the space for us to do this fund raiser
and the first of many, and I hope lots of

(46:26):
people will want to come out and support us. You
know a lot of people did get their start and
you're sitting down watching in TV and a lot of
people on there right now and you're listening to the OCM.
I know, Patty, you can't make it. What we've got
to Richard Duggan and Russell Bauerd's coming to sing some
songs for us.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
I think it's awesome and I wish I could be there.
I super can't get away, and you know, it would
be probably a relief to people's ears that I'm not
there singing karaoke. If it was a dance contest, I
would have made every opportunity to get there, because I'm
a terrific just not a very good singer, Colleen, anything,
I just want to tell us before I have to
get to the news.

Speaker 8 (47:05):
Well, I would like to invite people to drop by
HMRTM and see what we have to offer. I mean,
you know, we are in UC two thousand and nine
in the University Center. And also I invite people to
send us their news to spread around, you know, like
we need to drop by see our facilities and you'll
see it's a bustling environment with lots of students and

(47:29):
community members and very diverse programming that you won't hear
anywhere else, Patty.

Speaker 10 (47:35):
That's the thing.

Speaker 8 (47:36):
You won't hear our shows anywhere else, and they're very unique.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
That they are. Colleen. I appreciate the time, good luck
with all the fundraising events. Well, we can help in
the future. Let me know.

Speaker 8 (47:47):
Thank you so much, Patty, and thanks to your listeners.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Happy to do it, see you, take care, Bye bye.
It's Colleen Powers h tomorrow. Let's get a break in,
appreciate the patience. Oh Nick you We're going to talk
about the Gathering Place when we get back. Jeff Scott,
an odd story about access to the drug cary perventially speaking,
dangerous drivers, whatever you want to talk about right after this,
don't go away. Welcome back to the show. Let's go

(48:13):
to line number two. Good morning, Leslie, you're on the air.

Speaker 11 (48:16):
Good morning Patty, thanks for having me on this morning.
I want to talk to you a little bit about
the Christmas Miracles campaign. We're in our seventh year. We
started as a very small community based outreach program doing
some food hampers, some gifts for seniors that we're living alone,
and it's kind of grown and grown over the years

(48:38):
the last three This will be our third year partnering
with the Gathering Place to put off their Christmas Blessing bags.
So what that is is gifts that will be given
out during their annual Christmas dinner to all of the
patrons of the Gathering Place, and it will be bags
that will contain personal toiletries, winter gloves, to mix things,

(49:00):
just the comforts that we can offer at this time
to them. And as it's grown to over four hundred
bags this year, we're trying to find ways to you know,
raise all of these products and goods and money and
things like that, and we don't particularly look to the
community for monetary donations. We do have some corporate sponsors

(49:22):
that come on to help, you know, with some of
the things that are a little harder to get, but
this year we were looking to find a way that
the general public could help us, and no donation is
too small, and we said, you know, sometimes asking people
for money this time of year is very stressful on them,
and people want to give, they want to be a
part of something, but you know, not everybody can afford

(49:44):
to make a substantial monetary donation and we understand that.
So we reached out to make a partnership with the
Northeast Avalon Fire Chiefs and they were over The response
was overwhelming from them. So the local fire departments all
came to get other and had agreed to promote this
program for us, to allow us to have collection done

(50:06):
through their stations. So we've partnered with Saint John's Regional
Fire Department, CBS Fire Department, Harbor Maine, Holy Root, Tor Bay,
Cooche Cove, and Portugal Cove, Saint Phillips and what they'll
be doing for us is having a community drop at
each of their I'll give you the list of where
you can bring things, and we're hoping that other community groups,

(50:28):
be it youth groups or the general public, would you know,
pick up an extra mids sox. We're looking for new
mits or gloves, winter tubs and socks in particular, and
they can be dropped off anytime at any of these
following locations thanks to the wonderful partner with the Avalon
East Chiefs Associations. So for Saint John's an area, you

(50:52):
can go to Saint John's Regional Fire central station that's
there in Fort Townsend, CBS can go to the main
fire station. To Bay is taking collections at the town
hall for us. Holy Rood Fire Department will be collecting
at their station, Portugal Cold, Saint Philip's will be collecting
at their town hall. Pooch Cop will be at their

(51:12):
town hall, and Harbor Maine will be at their fire station.
So we just really want to get it out to
the public. You know, any gesture is greatly appreciated. If
you're in the checkout line at your store and you
see a pack of Fox on sale, pick them up,
throw them in your car you're driving by. Any of
these locations will be a bin. We'll be more than
happy to collect them. The campaign will run for two
weeks and hopefully we'll be able to bring a lot

(51:34):
of joy and comfort to those who are the most vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I think it's great and I'm glad you mention socks
because when I speak to people working in that arena,
socks are one of the needs that everybody has will
use or avails of the services at the gathering place
or Salvation Army or the Red Cross, what have you.
So I think it's awesome what you're doing. And how
many bags are you trying to procure this year?

Speaker 3 (51:54):
How is that number?

Speaker 11 (51:55):
We need to do four hundred, so we do know.

Speaker 8 (52:00):
It started.

Speaker 11 (52:01):
We literally just started in my basements. We were doing,
you know, seventy and then it grew to two hundred.
Last year, it went to four hundred. This year again
it's four hundred. And those are kind of some of
the smaller things that people can pick up and help
us with. We do have great, you know, corporate people
who come forward anonymously that help us get some of

(52:22):
the large items like deodorant and shampoos and things that
we can buy in bulk. Katie Pratt Technical Rope and
Rescue last year came on board with us. The coast
has been wonderful. We have so many the Crossroads in
and suite instrumental in making all this happen, not just
for helping us get the things together, but also for

(52:44):
hosting us and allowing us space to store the goods
and package them and get them ready. You know, it
takes a village, and we have so many great people
looking to help. We have a lot of local dental
offices that have reached out to help us with toothbrushes
and toothpaste. So there's all, please, a wonderful array of.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Hello, Leslie, I guess we've lost I can still hear
the line. I just kind of hear Leslie any longer.
If she has at anything else she wants to as,
she can come back on David, I don't keep herroll.
There is she back. Let's get Leslie back. Leslie, Sorry
we lost you. Final thoughts.

Speaker 11 (53:26):
Oh I'm back, okay, Gray, So again I just want
to thank everybody and hopefully we can get the word out.
You'll see a lot in social media, so fire departments
themselves will be advertising. So the more we can get
out to people and hope that they can make a
small donation. Again, we're looking for socks, hats and winter tuks.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Keep up the good work. I appreciate your times running Leslie.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Thank you, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
You're welcome. Bye bye. So yeah, there you go. If
you can help, please do like we talked about off
the top, Let's go to LAT number four. Jeff, you're
on the air.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
How are you okay? How about you too?

Speaker 6 (54:03):
That I got two little subjects to talk to you
about it, if that's okay.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Ahead.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
My first one is actually I don't know why they're
trying to call me back there now on VOCM to
get me on the line, but I'm already talking to
you anyways. So my father in the last year took
some money out of his savings. He's up there in age,
he's eighty, and he took some money out of his
savings and he went to get his drugs. The other

(54:31):
day and he got a call from the pharmacy's saying
your drug card is cut off. So he took the
money out of you save and stay for his own funeral,
which he didn't have to do it, but he felt
he wanted to do it, which is fine and ending
and maybe when I'm up at that age, if the
lords he sit to keep me around for that law,
I'll probably do the same thing. Anyways, Basically, because he

(54:55):
did that, he lost his drug card in the provincial government,
which he probably only had for the last couple of
years that he qualified for because he worked up till
his mid seventies.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Okay, let me see if I'm understanding this. He took
money out of his own savings for a very specific
purpose to pay for his own funeral and somehow lost
his drug card.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
Yes, because I guess his income changed because I guess
he took it out of a text free account or
something like that, whatever, I'm not even exactly sure, but
he took it out of an account of his, which
obviously because he took it out of his whatever he
had invested in or whether it was a bank or whatever.
Because he took it out, it drove up his income.

(55:40):
Just to pass the line obviously, to get to get
to lose his car whatever. I don't even know what,
I don't even know what it takes qualified for that.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yeah, well, my understanding is it's all based on income,
not based on you know, your net worth and what
do you have in savings or what you have stowed
away in an r speed or what have you, until
you take something as a revenue stream and pay taxes
on it. So if like for instance, it came out
of a tax free account, then that shouldn't compromise his
income period obviously because it's a tax free related matter.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
Yeah, and I'm not even sure exactly he took it
at him, but he took it at him. Whatever, he
took it at him. Obviously it had to go in
on his income this year because he took it out.
And because of that, like I said, he took it
to pay for his own funeralle but because he took
it out, he lost it. He lost you know, he
lost out because of his drug plan. Now, which is

(56:34):
you know obviously you know, well, all we don't need
to talk about the coolers at the health signs, but
there's enough going on it into that area where people
can't afford to take care of or take care of
their loved ones. He was in the situation where he
was trying to basically alleviate some of the family.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
From Yeah, and so it's a one time and they're
calling it boost to his income. So does that mean
that next month he'll requalify because that money was one time,
it's in one hand out the other paid for a
very specific purpose.

Speaker 6 (57:09):
No, I think I would imagine it's based on your
tax here or not your mom.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, it's something patently wrong with this. I agree, Yeah,
it doesn't even make any sense. I am going to
do a little follow up for my own information purposes
as to how your drug card access could be impacted
by taking some money out of your own bank account. Like,
I didn't even know that's how it worked. I thought
it was simply based on income. And if he's not, like,
if I have money in my savings account, I've already

(57:35):
paid taxes on it. However, I got it. Well, for
the most part, people have already paid tax on it.
So if it's not going to be part of filling
out or added money to your tax return or your
tax filing part of me next year, then I have
no idea what relationship it has to the drug card,
but I'll try and figure it out, and if I
get any information I think will be helpful, I'll give
it to you.

Speaker 9 (57:55):
Yeah, Betty.

Speaker 6 (57:55):
Also, if I get anything, any news, and i'd love
to hear, I'd love to be able to report it
back to you. But he's just basing on his stocks.
Is that he dropped out his prescription, went over to
pick it up, or was about to go pick it up.
Pharmises called said, listen, you're parents not working, and this
is what he assumes the reason why it's not worked.

(58:16):
I don't even know what's a card. I don't know
why you get because I have I don't have it,
but I don't know if it's an actual credit a
credit card, or if it's a number you have or whatever.
Maybe you know. I don't know, but I'm just he's
just assuming that that's why he got caught up.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
There something patently wrong with that story, Yes, and.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
I'd love to have it clarified, because I'll call you
back and tell you. Listen, it turns out it was
the wrong reason he got cut off, or maybe it
was a mistake. I have no idea, but he's pretty
sure that this is what it was.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah, let me know. If you get any more information,
I'll do the same.

Speaker 6 (58:49):
Okay, but listen one quick note. Last week I've witnessed
four shop lifting incidents and I'm not even a shopper,
like I don't even I don't go to them all.
I don't know I go. Probably you're like yourself, well,
I know your grocery shop. Can listen to your show,
but I don't go. I don't go to any stores
unless I need something that did that's bottom line, you know. Anyways,

(59:12):
in the past week, I've witnessed four shop lifting instants.
Most of the couple of them were at the home
depot and in swarming. I was going into home depot
returned something that about yesterday that didn't work out that
I needed that I thought I needed, but I did.
It wasn't a great item. Anyways, I saw two guys
going down ones on the pedal, but both of them

(59:32):
had two do all tools, you know, And you could
tell I knew these delicals the way they were gone.
When in return, I got down on Kelsey draw so
far rolled in the window gotten the medium probably blocked
out a bit of traffic. I just said, boys, what
is it? Is it drugs or what is it? And
first you know you tried it. I just bought this
off somebody and you know, for marketplace. I'm like, buddy,

(59:55):
I just what saw you go up the lane at
home depot? But this in your arms. I'm not stupid.
I'm not getting out of the car to take it
from me. He said, it is drugs. I got onto
drugs a couple of years ago. And you know, he
gave me his excuse. Then he told me he had
to steal this because he got to buy kids for Christmas,
gifts for his kids that he's not allowed to see

(01:00:16):
because somebody put in. And he begged me not to
put his picture on Facebook because he you know, he
got in trouble last time and he can't see his
kids because of that. Anyway, it's just one of those
things that I just like, where are we going with
this whole? Like they don't even We were at customer
service and I said to the guy who was serving
me to last week, I said, see us, don't do

(01:00:38):
not in the shoplifting here, do you. He said, no,
we're told not to. And we stood there while a
guy walked to the door with his items that he
just stole.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
So yeah, managers and staff are fearful of violent interactions, right,
which is I think the base is for it, and
I'm not going to besmirch a certain neighborhood. But over
the weekend, I had caused to be in one part
of the city where I'm not normally grocery shopping, but
I had to get something, so I went in and
the prevalence of security in this one particular store was unbelievable.

(01:01:10):
And I asked one of the security guards, I said,
how long has there been these many security guards here?
He says, with the last number of years. It used
to be x and now it's X times five. And
the vast majority of those guards were working in and
around the meat section, which is something too. Well, that's
Jeff dropped. I don't know what happened there, but AnyWho,
And then you know, some of the big retailers, they'll

(01:01:31):
blame some of the uptick on shoplifting on self checkouts,
talk about a self inflicted wound. You put the self
checkout in there if that needs to more items being shoplifted,
and then you pass along those losses to me in
the form of increased price for one thing or another.
That's not my fault, that's your fault. Let's get a
break in. Last week we had a call from a
retired judge named Bill English talking about a family mediation

(01:01:52):
public information session that's coming up tomorrow evening. Just a
little bit more information and the pluget were more time
because we got tons of feedback on this. Rona Buckin
is meat theator and Laura she joined us online number
three right after this don't go away, welcome back in
the effort to let Jeff finish these thoughts, we'll rejoin
them on for Jeff. You're back on the air. Is
he dead or yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:02:13):
I'm here now?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Okay, go ahead and finish your thoughts, Jeff, before you
say goodbye, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
I don't know what happened. I'm going to call in
another day to talk about the cell phone service. Just
kidding anyways, that was my only point that I just
didn't didn't want you to think that I just hung
up because I don't know what happened. I wasn't he
touched on the phone, but it got caught out. But
getting we were talking about the shoplifting, and I just
feel that there's something that has to be done about
the whole system that people are just using the home

(01:02:39):
depot to go and or other stores. Obviously you said
you saw something yourself that looked at something going on
at the store where you visit it. But I feel like,
what are we going to do about it? That's basically
what I'm asking, Like, what are they going to do
about it? Because it just it just keeps on going.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Yeah, well, I guess there's a lot of contributing actors.
Some of it might be simply poverty. Some of it
might be, as you found out at home depots, might
be addictioned to drugs or to whatever other substance. So
I guess there's lots of contributing factors then, even just
the basics cost of living. I mean, I don't know
what motivates every five finger discount that we see out there,
but yeah, it's it's a struggle that much. I can

(01:03:20):
tell you going to the grocery store is painful.

Speaker 6 (01:03:24):
Yeah, I agree. Anyways, that was all like like I said,
I didn't think I just hung.

Speaker 9 (01:03:28):
Up on them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
No worries, Jeff, I appreciate your time, Thank you, cheers,
enjoying the show. You Toobel, Bye bye. I just got
ln them three say good morning to mediator and lawyer
join us online. Number three is Ronna Bucking Hi Rhano,
you're on the air.

Speaker 8 (01:03:40):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
How are you great today? Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 12 (01:03:44):
Good good and thanks for giving us a chance to
talk about our Family Dispute Resolution Week.

Speaker 7 (01:03:50):
Monday.

Speaker 12 (01:03:51):
This is the kickoff of our first week advancing ideas
about families finding common ground, finding a more peaceful way
to separate and divorce and you know, not just not
automatically sort of heading to court.

Speaker 7 (01:04:09):
So we've got some events this week.

Speaker 12 (01:04:11):
We've got a public information session on Tuesday night at
seven at the Hampton Inn where we'll have a couple
of mediators, a parenting coordinator and retired judge and also
somebody from the Public Legal Information Association of Newsomland Laborador.

Speaker 7 (01:04:27):
Just talking about the benefits.

Speaker 12 (01:04:29):
Of mediation and sharing information that could people could find
helpful about the process so they can make an informed
decision about how they want to approach their separation and divorce.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
And you mentioned playing the Public Legal Information Association. That's
Kevin O'Shea who's been very generous with his time on
this program. In the past, and just a reminder of
the Captain nn is on Stavanger Drive. If people are
wondering where that hope tells Okay, you know, so this
is all about trying to avoid the courts. It doesn't
mean avoiding lawyers. It means avoiding the court system necessarily.

(01:05:00):
How successful in your personal experience has been entering into mediation,
been able to see people avoid the court system.

Speaker 12 (01:05:08):
About very much, very very much, very helpful. People are
coming in wanting to find common ground, right, they want
to find a solution some people, you know, you it
doesn't mean it's easy. Everybody's coming to a separation with
their own point of view, right, And you know, hurt

(01:05:31):
is a traumatic event in your life. It is a
very traumatic, very stressful event in your life. And what
we're trying to do is offer people a place where
that is a little bit less threatening, less scary than
court to deal with it. You know, we can see
court is necessary, absolutely necessary for certain cases, but there's

(01:05:53):
an awful lot of people who find themselves there who say, well,
I didn't realize it was going to take two years
to get a decision from a judge. I didn't realize
that every time I go to court, the judge is
actually telling me to go and figure this out ourselves,
because the judges believe as we do, that the solutions
that families arrive at themselves are the most enduring solutions,

(01:06:16):
the most likely for families to to comply with, and
that it's all better for families are the changes to
the Divorce Act made a few years ago say that
they support that, and they created a duty for lawyers,
for judges, and for the party's country divorce to make
their very best efforts at resolving matters outside of court.

(01:06:39):
So we're taking this opportunity to talk about it because
we actually have a profit coming to do a professional
session with us, who've got the research data on the
success of it and how much better it is for families.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
We may indeed cover some ground we cover last week
with Bill English, but not everybody has the opportunity to
listen to every minute of the show. One question that
I think I asked mister English and was picked up
on by some listeners is you know, unfortunately, when there's
a divorce that there may indeed be some alimony owed.
So when we go through the courts, we know that
the courts have a different enforcement authority, then maybe a

(01:07:16):
mediator or an immediated settlement. So how does it work
when alimony becomes part of the final divorce I I
use the media here.

Speaker 12 (01:07:23):
Yeah, here we call it spousal support. So the mediator
has a role in helping the parties determine what the
appropriate spousal support is. They can help you, help them
understand the process and all the different factors and criteria
that get considered when looking at spousal support, because it's
not cut and dried in quite the same way that
child support is. And then once you arrive at your consent,

(01:07:49):
so your consent can be in the form of a
separation agreement or in the form of a consent order
if you've got documents filed with the court, and at
that point in time, whatever your legal document is, if
you want it enforced by the Support Enforcement Agency and
New Flann Labrador, you can file it with them and
they can enforce it. We find also the agreements that

(01:08:14):
people arrive at together and they understand where those agreements
come from, they've arrived at them themselves, and those are
much more enforceable agreements in that people are compliant with them.
They understand them when they go along with them, so
you don't have the same trouble with enforcement as if
somebody made an order. You know, perhaps a judge makes
an order against someone, they really don't understand why they're

(01:08:37):
paying this amount and they resent it because they haven't
really understood the process, and that's where your enforcement problems
will come in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Yeah, and I knew the answer becles, I asked, mister English.
But just for information for those who weren't tuned in
for that call. So you mentioned the time it might
take to go through the process of separation into divorce
and get everything finalized. Can you give us some understand
about how long am I taking the court because I
know it can be very complicated depending on the family circumstances,

(01:09:05):
But just in general terms, how long am I taking
court versus how long am I taking mediation?

Speaker 12 (01:09:11):
Sure is very very different length of time. So I
did work in the court system for almost twenty years.
I worked as legal aidlawer, and part of that was
this duty council within the family courts, and I was
there for almost two and a half years full time
in the court. So I saw a lot of matters there,
and I saw the matter when you file a document
with the court, it's about average of four months. It

(01:09:33):
automatically gets sent for an first attempt at resolution to
Family Justice Services, which is a free mediation service not
for parenting and child support, and we encourage everybody to
partake of that, so that is the first step. It
may spend in my experience, about two months. There's you know,
it's a public service, there's a backlog, so you may
spend about two months there. Then if it doesn't resolve

(01:09:56):
at Family Justice Services, there's a note to court sent
another two months before and I'm using two months of
an average. If the court's really busy, like after COVID,
it might be longer. It could be another four months
before you get your first case management date. And I
think what people don't often understand is that that case
management date it's a fifteen minute appearance before a judge
where the judge is going to ask you what can

(01:10:17):
you agree on? And some people aren't aren't always prepared
for that, and they feel that they're going to have
a mini be a mini trialer, be able to express
themselves more to the judge in that in that period
of time. But it's short and the judge is done
by legislation in terms of they're very limited in what

(01:10:38):
they can order there. They can only make orders I
can sent essentially.

Speaker 11 (01:10:42):
So then you may get several.

Speaker 12 (01:10:44):
Of those appearances, all about four months apart, and then
you go they are going to ask if you want
a settlement, a settlement conference with a judge, which is
another you go on a waiting list for that. That
waiting list could be six months long, and then only
the oft you've exhausted all these opportunities to settle, do

(01:11:04):
you have an opportunity to set your matter for trial
if you really haven't come to an agreement. So essentially,
in our family court in Saint John's my understanding right now,
as you're looking at about two years to trial, I've
heard other courts in the province could be looking at
three years or longer to get to a trial dation
in the family matter. So it's very long interrun.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
It it sounds like a creation you have.

Speaker 12 (01:11:27):
Almost immediate like depending on the schedule of the media
or you're working with, you can have very very quick
access to the process. And then once you're in the process,
it's up to you how often you want to come in,
how often you're both able to you know, have You've
got to gather your disclosures, so we've got all the

(01:11:50):
information on which you can make well informed decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Hopefully this next question and maybe our last question, Hopefully
this makes sense. What is the difference between arbitration mediation
and the traditional approach in the courts of collaborative family law?

Speaker 12 (01:12:07):
Okay, so oh there's a major distinction. So the collaborative
family law is an actual sort of team process that
is used successfully in a number of other provinces. We
don't really have that kind of teamwork here, although I
think we work on a more informal basis to collaborate here.
But that is a situation where you can bring in

(01:12:28):
your financial professional to the table, the mental health professional
to the table, and the two lawyers make a commitment
that they're at the table to resolve the matter, and
if it winds up going to trial, it goes to
different lawyers. Arbitration is where you have a third party
who you have signed a contract with, You've committed to

(01:12:50):
agreeing for them to make a decision in your matter.
So one of the things that's evolving is the combination
of hybrid called mead art mediation and arbitration where a
new role will try to help you arrive at a decision,
arrive at an agreement, and you may get an agreement
on like eight out of ten issues and the last
two issues have you may have figned an agreement that
that person gets to decide those last two issues, so

(01:13:13):
they will make a decision. It's an administrative tribunal essentially,
where that person makes a decision for you and you
agree that that's a binding decision.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Rob it before we run out of time. I'll less
you weren't finish your answer there. I'm sorry, no, I was.

Speaker 12 (01:13:27):
Just trying to think of if I've reviewed everything there is.
Of course, you know your traditional system involves negotiation between
lawyers and then decision making by judges. But as I said,
the judges, you know, our court is a resolution court.
So at every stage they're sending people out to try
to resolve, and we are offering the opportunity to have
a third party neutral help you resolve that.

Speaker 7 (01:13:49):
Because while you're in court, or before you're in court.

Speaker 12 (01:13:52):
Conflict can become entrenched and it can be polarizing. People
are traumatized and those people are just It really helps
to have a neutral third party that can help you
come together in a safe space and try to find
your middle ground.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Rona give us the information about the information sessions forrow evening.

Speaker 12 (01:14:12):
What do people need to Hey, it's Tuesday night, seven
o'clock at the Hampton Inn on stave Anger Drive. We
run till eight thirty. We'll have some tea and cookies
there and we'll have as I said, number of professionals
for people to hear from on the panel. We'll also
be launching the small short film. We have an informational

(01:14:35):
film on mediation called Finding Common Ground that we made
with Roger Manders. So we're really excited to be sharing
this information with people and trying to again help families
find the most peaceful and constructive route through this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Appreciate your time, Thank you, Roona.

Speaker 12 (01:14:52):
Thank you very much. Patty Pleasure Bye bye, Okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Buys run A Buccan as a mediator and lawyer. And
of course a bunch of those types of sessions and
different events throughout this week. Let's get a break in.
Want to come back, Sean your next to talk about
the Drews drivers. Don't go away, Welcome back. Let's go
to line number five Sean, you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (01:15:12):
Yes, Good morning, Patty, good morning, great morning out there.
I just got back to the nice bike ride and
absolutely gorgeous. I recommend it to everyone, whatever you can
do to be outside today.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
There's no wind.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
That's a rarity this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Fall, very seldom no wind.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
This is true, totally true these days.

Speaker 13 (01:15:30):
I just listened to Mona. I'm sorry Rona Buck and
I did not know this, but very interesting stuff. I
didn't hear Bill English. I was out of town, so
I missed him. Now I remember Bill as a judge
when I.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Was covering the courts. Great guy.

Speaker 13 (01:15:45):
So that's very useful information, and it's poked back in
the back of my mind, I'm sure many other people's minds.
But Patty, the reason I'm calling today, I'm going to
preface this short conversation with that when I'm on my
bike rider out for a hike or even a nice
walk out, probably going around Bowering Park some days, and
there's just bike around there and wherever else I can

(01:16:08):
go nearby, And a lot of mornings i'm in there
like seven o'clock and I spot people in their vehicles.
I can smell the weed isn't going down the trail
in the West parking lot.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
And what bothers me the.

Speaker 13 (01:16:22):
Most about that is is that these people are becoming impaired.
Not to mention the fact that it's illegal to actually
smoke weed and sit in the car with it running
or even with the keys, and the ignition no different
than if you're continding alcohol.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
In public and while you're driving or at least.

Speaker 13 (01:16:41):
In the control of the vehicle. Now, when those people
hit the roads at the most important time of the
day in the early morning, when there's so many people
with so many things on their minds, they don't all
have their minds on driving. They get their minds and
trying to get to the school in time with the kids,
or they got a meeting early, or they got to
meet a friend for a copy early and then go
to work and so on and so forth. Not everyone

(01:17:04):
has got.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Their minds on driving.

Speaker 13 (01:17:05):
And when you're driving a two or three or four
thousand pound vehicle, that can cause havoc. You know, like
if you don't have your eyes on the road to
the next stop sign or the next light that suddenly
turns red and everyone slams on their braces up ahead
of you, you could easily have a major collision going
on here. People get injured, and that's a lot of
it's for life if you're lucky to get out of it,

(01:17:27):
and you see, they'll save you and your earbags do
when you come out without any long standing issues and
medically speaking, and have to get into medical system and
you know what that's like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
We all do.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Nobody wants to do that.

Speaker 13 (01:17:38):
But I find that people do not have their minds
on the roads. They don't have full attention to their
driving abilities and how they drive. It's scary out there
in early mornings, and there are no shortage Patty of
the investigative things that have gone over the years where

(01:18:00):
they come out and say that the worst time of
the day is in the morning. Most people haven't even
woken up yet, almost like they're still in a bit
of the days from their sleep when they hit the road.
And this is well established documentation that has been taken
from accidents and other things over the years to basically
warn us that a lot of people are not on

(01:18:21):
the ball at that hour, like they just aren't fully
awake of They aren't fully aware. It might be nine
ten o'clock before they get to that point. And I
mentioned this because you can't be too careful.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Now.

Speaker 13 (01:18:31):
I don't know what happened the weekend down in Buren,
but it's a tragedy when a person who's just in
their senior years gets run down by automobile and died
a few hours later in hospital. That grandmother or mother,
that person who's looking forward to her senior years, out
for a walk, probably to keep her health up. And

(01:18:51):
we all have to do that as we get older,
especially keep moving, and that's really important. And now she's gone.
My heart goes out to their family, to their friends
down there. But we're really bothering this morning. Was you
know that lady should have been seen or hopefully should
have been seen by the driver, and at and at

(01:19:13):
those hours like in the evening. I think it was
in the afternoon. I should have late afternoon. Stand to
be corrected. But you know, as drivers, we can't be
too careful. We are the ones driving the vehicle and
and and the lifelong pain for that family and for
the driver is enormous. And I covered the courts and
I've seen it from all sides back in my day,

(01:19:34):
and and you can't repair it. You just can't repair
that once it's done, it's done. So people have got
to get the message that you are in control of
the motor vehicle. You're the one that can do a
lot of harm. Or you can drive very safely and
carefully and not be impaired or under influence of anything

(01:19:55):
when you're driving, and and and take the most cost
you can that your don't harms someone else.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
I see it every day. One of my least favorite
games is when I leave here after the show and
I'm trying to turn left on the Kelsey to watch
how many people run the red lights? And not one
day since I started this silly game has somebody not
run a red light there. So it's mind boggling to me.

Speaker 13 (01:20:18):
Well, I don't know how to stop it, except to
say that the fines aren't enoughs the insurance companies. Once
you start getting fines, you're going to find out what
the real expense is because the insurance companies have absolutely
no tolerance for it, and your insurance will go up
a fortune on your next renewal date. You know, forget

(01:20:40):
the fine for a minute. The fine might be who
knows how much, three hundred dollars, maybe two hundred dollars
whatever's going to be. But when you're running red lights
and you have a history of driving I guess not safely,
and you're caught doing things, you will pay for it
in the long run. But but you know, like the

(01:21:00):
innocent person who is out for a walk to try
and improve her health or just just to get some
fresh air in because the weather has been anything but
really good. So as soon as you see the sun,
like me as I was out early, you hate the
thought that you can't go out.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Safely either ride your bike.

Speaker 13 (01:21:15):
I personally wouldn't ride my bike in Saint John's unless
I'm on a trail. I don't think people even see you.
But but out for a walk, you know, on the
side of the road, says she down there, I don't
think there's any sidewalks and bura, but at least there's
a you know, there's a gravel and so on. You
should be able to go out for a walk safely
and not and you know, not get hit by car
and killed. Yeah, the driver's stumps, you know, I mean,

(01:21:39):
the driver has got to be the one to take
take the most care of that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
He's not going to hurt someone, obviously, and absolutely U
did you want to say something about Dave Radovsky's called
as well Shawn before.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
We I've known David forever. What a great guy.

Speaker 13 (01:21:55):
And also John, his co partner, is starting up the
Positive Thinkers.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Club, you know, like you had it right.

Speaker 13 (01:22:02):
I mean, the Positive Thinkers Club is a great place
to go and probably get yourself back on track in
some ways, but there's a lot more to it than that.
My first meeting for the Positive Thinkers Club was when
I launched Cellultar technology back in nineteen ninety or yeah,
nineteen ninety and they asked me would I come and
talk about it and the positiveness, you know, because of

(01:22:22):
a brand new technology, would anyone actually buy them? They
were three five hundred dollars for a flip phone back
then you got fifty minutes free on your plan, not
very much. It was a very expensive process, and I thought,
we're going to eat that up like there's no tomorrow.
But you know, I went there to speak to them
about positive thinking and I said, yeah, I'm leaving one
career to go into another one. But the positive part

(01:22:44):
about it is is the opportunity to do it. And
you know, it's only in our like it's in our power.
To look in the mirror in the morning and say
to yourself, if it is meant to be, it is
up to me. So you go out the door in
the morning and you want to make life better, You
want to keep going down that road and pathway of
career in life. And I couldn't have gone to a

(01:23:07):
better place to talk about that move into a different
career than the Positive Thinkers Club. And most people are
very comfortable in their own shoes where they are, and
it's comfortable, and you don't want to step outside that
little comfort zone.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
But let me tell you. My grandfather told me when
I was very young.

Speaker 13 (01:23:25):
My stepgrandfather, if you haven't had five careers in his lifetime,
you haven't lived. And I think it was eight years old.
So he was a self taught architect and teacher and
so on and did so much more. He started the
co Ops and Corner Book in his basement because people
were really hurting financially and he just whatever he felt
like should be done or he should do, he did it.
And I'd recommend to everyone out there, if you've got

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time to go to a Positive Thinker Club meeting.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
It's so much more than just that. It's renewal.

Speaker 13 (01:23:51):
It's getting yourself out of that comfort zone, and your
life will only go forward and be probably happier and
more successful, more satisfying if you go and take that step.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Appreciate the time, Sean, thank you.

Speaker 13 (01:24:06):
Okay, Saturday morning, ten o'clock down at the Legion im
plasmble Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
I get up and look in the rear and think,
oh another show. Let's go right time. Well we come back.
We're speaking with you. Welcome back, Let's go. Line number
six morning Walter around the air.

Speaker 14 (01:24:25):
Good morning, Patty, thank you so much for these couple
of minutes to have a little chat with you. But
a gentleman who I have the greatest of respect for.
And while a sad call and a lot of people
are hurting since Friday, mister Tommy Hogan has left us,
and I know that there's still quite a few people
who that maybe don't know that Tommy has passed. Tommy

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was not only a wonderful mechanic, a great technical mind
when it came to the automotive sector, but also a
fantastic teacher for any apprentice that went through his his hands.
The kindest, most gentle person I've ever met in my life.
I don't mind saying that I grew up in a

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family with no positive male role model at all. And
when I met Tommy thirty five years ago, I found
myself going out of my way that wanted to be
into his space. Anywhere the Tommy was, I'd like to
be there. He's just he's one of those guys that
lived life the right way, a very wonderful human being.

(01:25:30):
And while said, I do want to take this opportunity
to say what a gift it was to know him,
And I think Tommy knew also that life was a
wonderful gift and he lived it. He lived it the
right way. One of the best, if not the best
mechanic I've ever met, amazing dark player. So it's a
province in Canada wide when people learned that Tommy has passed.

(01:25:51):
Loved Darts, loved ROSEO Grade, He's loved his family, and
I just wanted to say to his family and friends,
and I'm going to say not that not hundreds of friends,
but probably thousands, what a pleasure was to know him.
And while he is not with us anymore, he'll never
be forgotten and a wonderful role model. Patty for anybody

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who is not only going through the automotive sector to
do it the right way, but just to live life
the right way. Patty was a He was a wonderful
man and I'm gonna I'm gonna miss him dearly. And
I just wanted to send my condolences to his family
and his many many friends and acquaintances.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
How old was Tommy.

Speaker 14 (01:26:30):
Tommy was sixty two, taken too early. While it's sad
for me that he's you know, he won't get to
enjoy his retirement years, kind of I think maybe if
Tommy was here, you look at me and said, I'm
was never going to retire.

Speaker 9 (01:26:43):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 14 (01:26:45):
He didn't get it, you know, he didn't get his
chance to retire and do what he wanted to do.
But he was a youngish man and taken suddenly, which
sometimes is good and sometimes is bad. You don't really
get a chance to you know, hello every week and stuff.
And I've called some friends on this weekend and they're like,
what are you calling for us? Because I adore you.

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I'm going to make a point now of calling all
my friends and acquaintances that I really have a lot
of respect for. Once a week or so, and just
let him know that I really appreciate them, because you
don't know when you when your last day is around
our time here is a finite and it's a miracle
that we're even on this earth to be a human
living a life. And while sad, I couldn't be happier

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to have known him and to have called him a
great friend.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
I'm sorry for your lost Walter. My condolences.

Speaker 14 (01:27:37):
Thank you so much, Patty, and to the family and
friends one last time. He lived his life the right
way and we're all sad, but boy, what a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
I appreciate your time, Walter, as sad as it is.
Thank you for calling.

Speaker 14 (01:27:49):
Thank you, Patty, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Bye bye, bye bye. You know, Walter's not the first
person to let me know about Tommy's passing. I met him,
but only once and in passing, passing twice in the
same sentence. Yeah, so arcandoleance is to his friends and
he stand with that's checking on the Twitter before we
get to the news break where VOSM openline you know
what to do email addresses open line a VOSM dot com. Oh,

(01:28:13):
consider this a mass reply to the call we had
from Jeff about his father's drug card got compromised when
he took money out of something, and a bunch of
people wrote it and said that maybe took it out
of his our RSP, possibly, because then it does become
income and then you have to pay start tax on it.
So even the Sun didn't know where he took the

(01:28:33):
money out of, which is why it's hard for me
to make any declarative statement, don because I'm not even
really sure where the money came from. So yes, for
everyone who wrote it and said maybe it was an
RSP possibly, and thank you for sending along the notebook.
Considering the fact there was a couple of dozen, I
probably won't get a chance to reply to all of those,
but yes, I appreciate the feedback, and you're right, maybe
it was an RSP. I really don't know. Let's get

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a break in for the news and we come back.
Lots of time left for you. Don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
We were listening to a rebroadcast VOCM Open Line. Have
your say by calling seven oh nine two seven, three
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Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number one.
Michael Boyle, you're on the air.

Speaker 10 (01:29:22):
Good morning, Patty. You probably remember Howie Meeker. I'm sure
you do remember Howie Meeker.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Absolutely went to a hockey school of.

Speaker 10 (01:29:28):
How we Yeah, yeah, well remember how you well? How
we way back years ago. Some of our listeners might
remember this. How are you used to start the news
than the actual news must have been CEP was their sports news.
So I'm so glad this morning that you mentioned Abby
Newhook and Jada Lee. I think Jato Lee, you know

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the great achievements that they've done. I think it's good
to recognize sports very important.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
You'd agree with that absolutely. And you mentioned Howie Meeker.
I was hosting the Hall of Fame induction ceremony the
night that how he went in in Saint John's.

Speaker 6 (01:30:04):
Wow. Yeah wow yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:30:07):
Talking about Hall of Fame. That just leads me into
my next item is at the weekend we had the
newphun Land. Now, I'm not representing the Newfoundland Hall of
Fame and not a spokesman, but I do know that
doctor Noel Brown was inducted into the nephund Land Rugby
Hall of Fame. And what an honor and what a

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gentleman you would agree with. Certainly agree with that, and
I should mention too as well to give credit. And
I don't know all the names, but Frank DC. We
all know Frank uh passed away too soon, and also
Frank Collins passed away and Mike look, Mike look, and
I think there is there is a lady's rugby team.

(01:30:49):
And I can't remember what cricker year. So as the
contribution that Noel made to role, Noel Brown was really
mister rugby and newfound Land. You know your boys probably
know that too.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
I played with Noel and he's much older than I am.
One of my first year I think we played one
match where he came off the sidelines and played. Riley
was a fierce competitor and a fierce gentleman. I saw
him not longer went over to the final the Goodyear Cup,
and of course Riley was there in his perch, and
between him and Frank and Parffory, they really are the

(01:31:21):
three gentlemen that were the driving force behind rugby here
in the province. Frank for sure, and absolutely Noel, and
certainly Pat Parffory as well. Pat played for Ireland. So yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 10 (01:31:31):
Yeah, oh amazing, absolutely amazing, amazing gentleman. And that leads
me into to the next item is that you're probably
not aware that I had a member of the hall.
It's still quite you know, reasonably well. And there's one
one aspect the memoirs involved in sports in terms of
the kelly Tane you know, running back in the early

(01:31:53):
seventies when we were probably at half a dozen people in
kelly Tane. You know, you think of phenomenal growth in
kelly Tane and you know, in the last fifty years
just been absolutely phenomenal in this in this problems now.
I don't know if you had a chance to have
a look at my memoir. The three things I tell
people I hope to find it interesting. I hope to

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find it reflective, easy to read, and perhaps most of all, enjoyable.
And I don't know, I don't measure it up with
those those terms are not patty. But it almost is
a good read, you know it is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
I can say that from personal experience.

Speaker 10 (01:32:32):
Yeah, as to say, it's not my task here just
to talk about my book, I'd like to mention there
are a lot of good newfou Land books and this
Christmas might be people that might be people should think
about Newfoundland books you know and understands, not just your
coffee books and your travelogue books. Something you know that
you know the real essence of Newfoundland and the books

(01:32:56):
that are available. There are lots of good books, and
you know, as you say, you know people you know.
I think it's the important of shopping local. I think
it very very I think we alert that understands during
the recent tiff kind of thing. The ability shop local.

Speaker 6 (01:33:10):
It's very very important, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
I think so, And of course I'll always have the
caveat that people can do as they see fit with
their own harder money. But there's a there's a big
upside to protecting into buying local. I mean just for
the obvious reasons obviously, and even in some of the
world of like crafts. Leading into the holiday season, when
the exemption rule for goods under a certain price tag

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was removed by the Americans, all of a sudden, there's
a big fee attached to it. A lot of the
local crafters, in particular, they lost access to the American market.
So they really do need your consideration in this holiday
season and maybe have a look for what they're selling.
Maybe it'll be attractive to you. And on that front,
we really need the big retailers to stop being so

(01:33:56):
misleading with the way they label things. You know, if
there's a push a but buying domestic product, whether it
be product of Canada or made in Canada, please do
not put a big mate leaf sign above a product
that'st from Argentina or somewhere else and pretending it's Canadian.
Just stop doing that. The Canadian Food Inspection Agency has
identified many examples of they didn't levy any fines, and
they should have because that's just unfair treatment of consumers

(01:34:18):
that are already strapped. And if they think they're trying
to do the right thing or trying to support local
but they're being bamboozled, it's just patently unfair.

Speaker 10 (01:34:25):
Yeah, okay, Patty, I started to get a good congratulations
out to NOL and we'll see you around again.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
I appreciate your time. Thank you, Michael, Bye bye. We'll
do all right. Let's keep from so A line number
two sagon more to retired psychologist Michael Dingwell, good morning, Michael,
you're on the air.

Speaker 15 (01:34:41):
Yes, Patty thank you. I was intrigued. I just got
in here. I was intrigued just listening to a gentleman
I'd believe mentioned rugby and I everything you guys are
just talking about. I just love listening to that. I
just finished Matt Damon movie Invictus, which was about the
rugby triumph of South Africa and NASA Mandela in nineteen

(01:35:05):
ninety five, I believe, and yeah it was. It was
very well spoken, gentlemen. The reason I called you today,
Patty can.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
I just took up on that, Michael very quickly. One
of the very best and of the most famous athletes
ever produced by this province, Rod Snow was a member
of Team Canada at that Rugby World Cup in South
Africa and the match between South Africa and Canada there
was a big melee of which Rod Snow was involved.

Speaker 15 (01:35:31):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Yep?

Speaker 15 (01:35:33):
Yeah, yeah. We I mean as a sport, when you
think about the size and the big, strong people of
men and women we have here in Newfouland, rugby seems
the natural thing for us to sort of follow. And
it doesn't surprise me that one of our own made
it too, you know, at the international level like that,
I have. The reason I called you today, I was

(01:35:54):
on your show about two years ago, and one thing
I'd like to acknowledge very quickly is the importance of
this platform that you raised here. I said that two
years ago, just we have very few vestiges of freedom
of expression and freedom of voice like this anymore in
this country. As much as we think we have more,
we really don't. And what you guys do is very,

(01:36:17):
very important. And when I was on two years ago,
it was for a trivial thing, probably seemed to some
telephone matter, but it was at the time, like I said,
it was a lifeline for my son who has autism
a CP and lives in Toronto and basically has been
abducted and held hostage against my will. But I mean,
you restored that, and I forever in your gratitude for that.

(01:36:39):
The reason I called today is I wanted to highlight
your listeners might be interested in a plea that has
been published on YouTube called Vicariously Autistic, and it's a
brief summary of some of the autism activity and advocacy

(01:37:01):
that we've been involved in for the last several years
and introduces a book that I have just compiled called
The caariously autistic, which borrows from that legal term careous
responsibility and with a lot of poetic license, and basically
implies that fathers like myself and moms too, and our

(01:37:24):
kids who who raise children with autism, a lot of
times we live as if we had autisms. We have
forced to live as if we are the primary consumers
of autism ourselves. And this work over the years, and
my background in community and clinical psychology, has led me

(01:37:44):
to compile this book, and this plea that is called
vicariously autistic and has posted on YouTube by some supporters
of mine, is one that I'm going to hope to
present not at but to the United Nations very soon,
and I'm taking it to some lawmakers and law enforcers,

(01:38:08):
i guess in Ontario very soon. And the reason I
was forced to do it is because of the thousands
of men and their children I've met in the last
ten years since I've been doing this, and I've come
to discover that the greatest area of social injustice in
this country today, arguably that affects the most Canadians, is

(01:38:34):
this area of divorce and autism and the biofeedback it's
in with PTSD and related things that affects men and
their children of divorce in this country today, literally millions
have come to discover. So I wanted to make your
listeners aware of that and to know that you know,

(01:38:57):
a lot of the people that met over the last
few years, we are trying to make headway in some ways.
And I would encourage him to read this plea and
listen to it, and hopefully the book will be published
after it won't be ready for Christmas, but out after Christmas.
And because our personal cases is just absolutely desperate. I

(01:39:23):
get a young person of thirty four year old son
who I'm trying to be as Nelson mandelisit and invictus,
you know, the master of the master of my soul
and the captain of my future or whatever some such
thing is that. And it's very, very difficult. There's no

(01:39:45):
resources available to any of these men. Some of the
statistics I look at, say, one in every twelve minutes,
a man in North America, a victim of PTSD related
to divorce, skills himself. And you know, as a person,
it's worked for fifty two years to make sure that
people don't harm themselves or others. I've got a lot

(01:40:09):
more understanding of why people take such dire measures in
their life, and we're trying to be part of a
force for change in that regard. And I appreciate your time.
I obviously, as I'm sounding, this is very personal and

(01:40:32):
very emotive for me. But I would encourage your listeners
to please look at that if they get a chance
to look at that YouTube site. And it's called vicariously
Autistic one father and Son's attempts to, you know, resurrect
our life. And that's about all I really wanted to

(01:40:57):
say about that, other than thank you for the opportunity
to make people aware of this. And you know there
are some of us out there trying to make a
difference and a positive difference. And I was just presented
this morning with probably looks like an one hundred dollars
garbage can from the city, and I'm told the city

(01:41:18):
of Cornbrook presented eight thousand of those, And I mean,
I'm thinking if there are one hundred dollars each, that's
almost a million dollars. And there is nowhere for me
or any man, or any man and his children to
go in this city today and relieve receive the kind
of support that we need to gain restitution for our lives.

(01:41:47):
I talk you know, since I spoke to you two
years ago, I have spent three thousand hours on the
telephone with my son, and over the last ten year years,
it amounts to two years of solitary confinement that he andies.
Now it's not about me, it's about him, and he's

(01:42:08):
the one who's the most vulnerable. And every day I'm asked, Dad,
I want to come home. I want to. I'm your
so I want to come home to Newfoundland for Christmas.
And if I go to I've never broken the law, Patty,
or done like most of the men I represent, I
don't want to. I'm making this too personal. I don't
want to do that deflect from the brave and courageous

(01:42:29):
men and families who is so wrongfully treated in it.
If I was to drive or fly to Toronto today
and say let them get in and come home with Dad,
I would be there would be an amber alert and
I'd be arrested. And that's not the fault of the police.
Of great respect for what these men and women do
and what every working man and woman does in this country,

(01:42:49):
but we're dropping the ball. We're you know, we're missing
the boat in this country on millions of men and
their children in this country now vulnerabilized by divorce. And
my final thing I'd like to say is, you know,
our children are of life, and when you take away

(01:43:10):
our children, you take away our life.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
And I'm not sure of all of the circumstances, but
I appreciate your time and good luck with the book. Michael,
thank you very much. Patty, You're welcome. Bye bye. And
this from a former rugby player chiming in on the
inductions into the Hall of Fame includes Leslie Cowen, who
used to be Leslie Naffle was her maiden name. Roxanne Butler,

(01:43:33):
who's big driving force of women's rugby around here and
the team was the women's nineteen ninety six under nineteen teen.
Congratulations to all hands. Let's get a break in, don't
go away, welcome back, Let's go to line number one. Danny,
you're on.

Speaker 9 (01:43:44):
The air, Patty, I my folma or tomorrow for jazz
as chat walking about the straight and to man shot me,
why I get a live for just came because before
when he was asked while back home and there was

(01:44:11):
nice of.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
Him, okay, and what happened, Danny, Sorry, I heard him.

Speaker 9 (01:44:19):
My gas can and selve lord and I sat walking
off the sup of the gas came my hand and
I said, it's gonna get be kind of heavy when
I get back, he says. The man came by, he said,
do you want to live? I said, shure one not.

Speaker 6 (01:44:39):
So.

Speaker 9 (01:44:40):
I was going to have from a couple of coffee
for him, but he didn't want it. But it was
nice for that man to do that for me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Absolutely, helping hand is always worth thanking and not acknowledging
anything else.

Speaker 9 (01:44:59):
I want to say, Danny, why why you hear better
liberals and PC's.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
I'm sorry, what was the question?

Speaker 9 (01:45:10):
Why are you hearing livers and PCs?

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
What if I think of the two main parties, or
what do I think of the liberals series? It's a
pretty big question. Well, I'll just give this very short
answer before I take another calls. In the big scheme
of things, the differences between the Liberals and the PCs
and this province is not huge. I mean, if we're

(01:45:34):
talking about the difference on the federal level between Conservatives
and the Liberals, I think there are some distinct differences
in this province. Not so much. You know, there might
be some very small philosophical differences in governing, but not
the big massive gap or difference between those two parties
as many people like to think there is, because there's
really not a huge difference. I don't think and I

(01:45:57):
mean I might be proven wrong here in the next
four years with the wakeham Let Conservative majority government, but
it's not huge and another huge difference. So I think
about the same of both currently. We'll see about the
Futureals do you think.

Speaker 9 (01:46:11):
Will a lot of work from where resources from Horning Gash.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
The short answer is probably yeah. But those are big
questions Danny that I don't think we have enough time
to answer them in full.

Speaker 9 (01:46:26):
But yeah, but darn Shamway John here news friends there
disorvery based but we never Becking minds.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Yeah, construction jobs at Beta ord will be at this
moment of time. Equanor has said that it's basically subse
work and the top side's work will be done elsewhere.
Could we do some but here, of course, I mean
the last big lot of work we did, I mean
we did some work with he Brown obviously, and then
prior to that, it's about twenty years White roles not
work was done in mary'stown. What the jobs look like

(01:47:00):
at this point into the future, if equinor proceeds at
this point, it looks like SUBC and maybe not much
beyond that. Danny, You're right, a.

Speaker 9 (01:47:08):
Row shall the quarter bred of mind source and maybe
so and the heron the head Tim Chick then quarters
on it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Yeah, maybe you we'll see now what the benefits agreement
looks like in the future. What I appreciate the call, Danny.
I'm glad you had a good smart and give you
a hand. Thank you, You're welcome, bye bye ah. Yeah,
and Ben in order. You know again this is it
happens all the time. But I'll just put it back
out there. Is you know, to be told that I'm

(01:47:48):
turning a deaf ear to one topic or another. It's
just a friendly reminder. If I don't bring up something
that you think is important, you absolutely have the opportunity
to bring it up yourself.

Speaker 10 (01:47:58):
You just do so.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
This morning, it's interesting that you mentioned Beta nord is
like I was told this morning, why not talk about
Beta Nord, which, my god, We've talked about a lot
here on this program and got a little bit of
pushback last week when made reference to an article that
I was written about what type of leverage we have
available in so far as negotiations with equinor whether it

(01:48:22):
be on the benefits of agreement or frameworks out the
CNLOPB and or jobs. And the author of the article
was talking about us being cautious in not overplaying our hand.
And you know, making reference to an article doesn't mean
that I'd like it or loaded or supported or wanted
to trash it. So the Beta Noord conversation whether or

(01:48:42):
not it belongs on a fast track list with the
newly established Major Projects Office. Again, that topic and whatever
else you want to talk about is available to you.
Right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:48:53):
The Tim Power Show joining the conversation weekday afternoons at
four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
Welcome back to the program. And in reference to the
why not talk for this that the most recent email
was for out nurse practitioners, so for starataers. Nurse practitioners
obviously play a critical role in the healthcare delivery system,
and the specific question was about when we're going to
get to a point where nurse practitioners as opposed to
a pilot program for hanging out their own shingle working

(01:49:23):
in the private sector as opposed to being able to
build MCP directly for every nurse practitioner who wants to
work of their own court, set up their own clinic,
establish their own schedules, and the flexibility that comes with it.
I think it's a great idea. As I've said many times,
you know, the motivation inside the public sector is to
try to keep as many nurse practitioners as possible working

(01:49:45):
inside the public sector versus the opportunity to go out
on their own and to build MCP. I think, as
just a member of the general public here, our goal
is to make sure access to primary care is as
best possible, as easy as possible. So I don't think
people really care a whole lot, you know, not members
of the public service, as to how the nurse practitioner

(01:50:08):
is billing MCP. We just want to get the care.
And nor do I think people really care a whole
lot as to whether or not they go to a
clinic operated by NL Health Services or just a clinic
in an office on Elizabeth Avenue where someone has hung
out their own shingle as a nurse practitioner, and that
access to primary care and for no money to change
hands to go in because your tax dollars are already
paid for healthcare, to simply go into the clinic, get

(01:50:31):
what you need, and let MCP take care of the rest,
just like if I had to go to a clinic
operated by NL Health Services. Next issue on the health
services front, getting some pretty good reports from folks who
have taken the opportunity to go to the new ambulatory
care hub on Stavanger Drive in the old Costco building.
Apparently it's a pretty good experience, A pretty comprehensive suite

(01:50:53):
of services are available there, So that's the good news.
The one question that we've had and that we've reiterated
many times here about that is the government was always
considering establishing this level of ambulatory care and all the
different clinics and diagnostic services and blood collection what have
you that goes on inside. The question for me was,

(01:51:14):
if we knew we were looking for that type of space,
that size and facility to do exactly what they've done,
why did we allow the public sector a private developer
to buy it, and then we go ahead and pay
for all the renolds and basically lease the space off
of the private sector operator. Not the around with private
business being involved at that level. But if we always

(01:51:34):
knew that's what we were going to do, why didn't
we buy it as a government in the first place,
to you know, cut out the middleman, so to speak.
Let's go to line number one. Marry around the air.

Speaker 16 (01:51:47):
How are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
I'm okay, Eddie.

Speaker 16 (01:51:49):
I want to speak about the healthcare, which should order
is an ongoing thing. But my son went to the
hospital on Friday night with a vicious pain in his hit.
Now it had to be better for him to go.
But anyway, Patty, I'll make a brief. He was there
for fourteen hours with this vicious pain, and after fourteen

(01:52:11):
hours he was in and out in a few minutes.
And you know what they told him, I mean, it
was disgraceful. They never did nothing for him. They told
him that when he yawned, he opened his mouth too
wide and it hurt his head. Now, Petty, you know
that is disgraceful, without doing any tests or anything. Sure,

(01:52:32):
how did they know? I mean, you know, I know
he was really sick to go in the beginning, but
to think that that's all they did. He was in
and out in about not five minutes, and that's what
they told him.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
Now, I'm sorry. What did they tell us?

Speaker 16 (01:52:49):
Pretty disgusting?

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
What did they tell him?

Speaker 6 (01:52:52):
I'm sorry?

Speaker 16 (01:52:54):
They told him that when he yawned, he opened his
mouth too wide and that gave him the pain.

Speaker 8 (01:53:01):
Now, Petty, did you ever hear the like?

Speaker 15 (01:53:04):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
And plus I'm not so sure. I haven't. The next
time I go to yawn, I'll see whether or not
I can control how wide out my mouth. I don't
think I've ever thought of it.

Speaker 16 (01:53:11):
I know, I know, Petty, I was going to tell you,
when you're yawn again.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
Be careful.

Speaker 16 (01:53:17):
Oh my, it's disgusting. It's just disgusting. That's what it is,
is disgusting. And I may they were like sateens down there.
But anyway, when he finally got in, that's what they
told him, Petty.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
I do know every now and then, when I yawn,
I opened my mouth or my job wide enough to
let my ears pop. Maybe that's just me.

Speaker 16 (01:53:39):
But I don't know if his ears after or not.
But he had a bed a real bed head. I
can tell you that. And I meant for him to
go wait that long, it had to be bad.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
And again for that to be the diagnosis is something
I haven't heard of before. But secondly, how long did
you say he had to wait.

Speaker 16 (01:53:58):
Fourteen hours?

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
Fourteen hours for a five minute in and out to
be told your is to what?

Speaker 13 (01:54:03):
Yes?

Speaker 16 (01:54:04):
Yes, strange now, Petty, it is strange and it's disgusting
and disgraceful. But anyway, Petty, that's stepid and briefly I
want to just.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
Touch.

Speaker 16 (01:54:17):
And the driving out there, as you might know yourself
to driving is disgusting. I mean, I thought it was
bad on Thorburne Road, Petty, from the Columbus Drive up
to the lights and Lac calin Olary. But I was
down to the eye clinic there last week and I'm
not driving now because of my I got my eyes
done and I was waiting in front of day in

(01:54:37):
w for the bus was Sacred Heart of the Lord
and Torbay Road. Like I said, I thought Thorburne Road
was bad, but it was wicked on tor Bay Road, Wickets.
I don't know how there's not more people killed, or
more excellents or whatever. I really don't know, Peddy, because
they go up and down here all out and in

(01:54:58):
the evening, and there's two lines of traffic three really
there's one to make a left hand to O'Leary and
the others to go straight up Forburn at that light.
But do you know I've seen it before. They now
they haul out of the traffic in the evening and
shimmy up the sidewalk and make a right hand lark call.
They may live over there and they may not. If not,

(01:55:19):
you'll make a swing around and go on up Thorburn
Road to abide the traffic in the light. So that's
what we're dealing with.

Speaker 7 (01:55:25):
Paddy.

Speaker 16 (01:55:26):
Is frightening. That's frightening. It's really frightening.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
It certainly can be, there's no doubt about it. I
you know, one of my boys is a pilot and
knock on wood, but I'm less nervous when he's in
the air than when he's driving home from Gander.

Speaker 16 (01:55:42):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, Peddy. Well, I wouldn't
go on the highway, not for any money, because I
only live on this little stretch of Thorburn Road, and
as not a road. It's a racetreck, that's what I
call it. A racetreck and a scandless. It's really listen,
there's nobody. Once I saw police stab someone in front

(01:56:04):
of my door when I come home and when they
left the person he stopped. I said, you should be
in her more often and write sarcastic. You said to me, well,
i'm here now, and I well, I said, good luck.
When I'll speak to you or again, it'll be a
long day or any because I get so upset about things, Petty.
It's not it's society today is unreal. It's just unreal.

(01:56:28):
What's going on today? Anyway, Petty, I don't know that's
my beef this morning, but I'm a bit upset over
it all.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
I understand, Mary, I appreciate your time, hopefully, young Fellow's.

Speaker 16 (01:56:39):
Okay, okay, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
You're welcome. Bye bye, bye bye. That's an interesting diagnosis
when you're yawn Now, I kind of feel like I
need the on. Can you actually control how wide jobing? Maouth?
I suppose again, you know when I got to do it,
Inevitably I'll have to let go of you on or
two at some point this afternoon. But yeah, I don't

(01:57:04):
even know if I've ever really thought about whether or
not locking shoulder. And I don't think about it. I
just let it fly. But I do know every now
and then I pop my own ears when I do it.
There's a direct relationship with your jaw moves and whether
or not your ears pop anyway, Darrel, you say, right there,
I don't want to call you a short of time
because we're nudging up against the scheduled break at eleven
forty five. Once again, let's see what's shaking on the

(01:57:26):
Twitter box. Some wild stuff going on there, and you
really do and get back to AI or whether or
not these are as they refer to them bot farms,
but Twitter in particular has really become unbelievably unbearable for
the most part. Now, plenty of people that interact with

(01:57:46):
us based on what they hear on the show or
what they want to hear on the show. For the
most part, it's all right. But for some like I
just don't understand the concept of waking up angry, angry
all day, go to bed, go to bed, anger, We
get up, rinse, and repeat, and it's non stop. I mean,
some of these are important matters. Some of them you
just got to think that it's manufactured. Maybe it's for

(01:58:09):
the sake of clicks, I suppose, because you know, any
issue regarding something of a positive nature doesn't get a
whole lot of interaction or a whole lot of clicks
things that are negative. Boy do they ever? Let's get
a break in, don't go away, welcome back to the show.
Let's go one number two. Darrel. You're on the air.

Speaker 5 (01:58:26):
Well, hi, Patty, how are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
I pad, I suppose you, oh wine doing wonderful good.

Speaker 5 (01:58:32):
Can't complain. It's all good now, Patty. What I want
to talk about is the rodent situation. Not well, I
guess right across New Flan Labrador. But as you probably know,
Gander have had some issues with the rodents, and there
are some videos taken and so forth. But I want
to bring tention to your listening audiences remedies to it all,

(01:58:52):
and what.

Speaker 3 (01:58:53):
It is what draws rodents.

Speaker 5 (01:58:55):
This big thing is composts, bird seed, pet feet, sees
dog do and all that stuff, tall grass, leaves and
so forth. But the remedy to it, if you put
it on the perimeters of your property, is garlic like
clothes of garlic or powder, and this still vinegar that

(01:59:15):
stares them away too. And you usually put it on
the perimeter of your property to say, by defence areas
whatever keep them from entering and so forth. But I
hear in the town again theer five dress issues. There's
a lot of zones in Ganner which is owned by
the town of Ganner. So you've got high grass, all
there's and all that stuff which the breed into. So
it's very simple if the town Againner, not only town

(01:59:37):
againder homeowners as well, if they wouldn't clear like areas
which they own like dolldres or tall grass and all
that worthy breed in, that would be a good start.
And homeowners as well got to do their part as well.
But what people don't realize what the rodents. You look
at Gene Hackman, actor Gene Hackman, his wife and as

(01:59:57):
dog died from rap and what it is is a
is a virus is called the hauntaviruses spose H A,
N T, A, v I r U S And that's
what they passed away by. And so this is what
we got to do our due diligence when it comes
to roads and rats, because this haunt of virus could
be your pet, could carry it and pass it on

(02:00:20):
to you, and they might and might not get sick,
and they pass on to you and once you get that,
you're pretty well done. So we're going to start being
proactive with this roading situation. I mean, because I know
it's right across the problems not only Gander, but Gander
is gone terrible, and not only that, there's debreeding dormant buildings,
and there's dormant buildings here in Ganner's This dormant that's

(02:00:42):
it's just left there.

Speaker 3 (02:00:44):
And so this is right.

Speaker 5 (02:00:45):
We're rats and pigeons and everything breed from. So we're
going to start being proactive and start taking the initiatives
to do things in that way.

Speaker 2 (02:00:53):
Sure, as it pertains to compost a solid side container
or a good tumbler compost, you can go long way
to protect your property from rodents rats in particular, but
they are obviously attracted to nice warm guard or part
of me vegetable waste compost if it's in an inappropriate container.
For sure, the issue regarding disease, it really does require persistent,

(02:01:17):
consistent exposure to rat feces to you know, to contract
that particular realist but it can be extremely dangerous and
I know, like even you talk about rodents in Central
Man Saint John's is I hate to say it, and
I hate to think it is overrun. It is absolute madness.
And you know, even when I take the poppy out

(02:01:39):
to try to keep your eyes peeled for catpoo and
rat feces is full time job.

Speaker 6 (02:01:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:01:44):
You can't just go out and leisurely fart around in
the park and let him do his business and pick
it up after he does it. But man Saint John's bad.
And so when you think about places like the abandoned
Grace Hospital nurses residents and the oils as his only property,
and bally Haley now that they're going to develop it,
you really need the city and all municipalities to pay

(02:02:07):
strict attention to pest control before all the work begins.
Because I live in that neck of the woods and
I guarantee you when walking through the bally Helly property,
the amount of rat boroughs is nuts. I mean we're
talking thousands upon thousands and thousands. And if they get
this placed from there and end up in my backyard,
I'll be out of my mind.

Speaker 5 (02:02:28):
Oh yeah, it's fast stuff. That's like, well, I got
a couple of dogs myself. Now, I don't live on
roaming around in the air and so forth, but I'm
always going to look and so far, so good, because
I keep the property clean and on top of everything.
But I mean outside of my fence here I dressed
with Town of Gander behind my fences as the town

(02:02:49):
zone which the owners i'll allders and grass And I
told my so, this is where this stuff needs to
clean up. Simple stuff because there's worthy hide and breed,
especially like for the winter and so so. And I've
heard about what you're saying. Saint John's is over run
by it and all that stuff. But if we don't
start being proactive, like you said, I mean, they carry

(02:03:10):
serious disease like this hunt the virus you google it.
I mean, this is uh, this is a serious stuff
and you know, so if we want to start, you know,
we gotta be proactive and like our animals and healthy.
You get and I don't let them off police, why
go anywhere, because I'm afraid I don't want wand roughshorn
and then come up on something like rat the feces

(02:03:31):
or whatever.

Speaker 9 (02:03:31):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:03:32):
So, uh, it's a serious stuff and you know, so
if there's ways we'd be proactive, but it seems like
it's not being dealt with serious enough. And now municipalities
here New Fland, Labrador, we get you gotta be start
taking this serious and erdictor John to garbage and it's
a place here in Ganner for example, soon took a
video that you might have seen it, and god, I

(02:03:53):
don't know how many rats are seeing the video. Is crazy,
but it's so simple what we can do to keep
this from happening. But unfortunate part about it when we
got rid of all the dumps. One time you had
the rats and the beers and everything out there, and
now we don't have to dumps no more. Is all
our ways now now they're COmON elsewhere for looking for food. Unfortunately,

(02:04:15):
but hopefully everybody get a proactive homeowner and the municipalities,
everybody got to play the part and try to avoid
these things because I mean, if you get sick from this, man,
I'm telling you it's not good.

Speaker 2 (02:04:28):
No, sir Daryld appreciate the time going to sneak on
one more.

Speaker 5 (02:04:31):
Okay again, thanks Patty, all the best of you and
you're listening. Not eats and staff at the OC. I
have a great finish to you today.

Speaker 2 (02:04:37):
You too, Donald, take care right, Thank you, You're welcome.
Let's go to line number one. Chris, you around the air.

Speaker 9 (02:04:45):
Boring Patty, how are you okay?

Speaker 2 (02:04:47):
How you doing?

Speaker 17 (02:04:48):
After that? I was out to a flea market a
little over a year ago and I purchased a box
en blows thinking they were empty end blows, and inside
those fiftieth anniversary there. These people were married back in
the fifties, so I was just wondering if any of
their families would like to have these back. The name

(02:05:10):
on the anniversary card is Joan and Fraser Clark, and
I would like to know if I could give them
back to.

Speaker 2 (02:05:19):
Him, And so what are they belonged to? The Clerks?

Speaker 17 (02:05:23):
It was a wedding anniversary, fiftieth wedding anniversary and it
was nineteen fifty two to two thousand and two. That's
a beautiful picture of these two people on there. So
if they would if anybody is hearing me out there,
any relatives Blank and gentlemen, Phraser Clark didn call the
show and get my number, Patty. And there's something else

(02:05:45):
I found when I was down with Dominion there a
little while back. I found a little brochure with a
little girl on us and it has a baby blue dress.
So I didn't want to throw it away. It looked
like it broke away from the key chain. And also,
Patty's not as all got you on the phone. Do

(02:06:06):
you know what's going on with the Saints around the
Colonial building up there? It seems like just patches of
friends going mission every year.

Speaker 2 (02:06:17):
Around the Colonial building. Yeah, it being the big metal
fences for iron. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 17 (02:06:27):
Anyways, I heard you're talking about the speeders and the cameras.
I think the public really need to think about picking
up their phone and driving because I see it every
day myself.

Speaker 15 (02:06:42):
Now.

Speaker 17 (02:06:43):
I know you talked about some of the vehicles that
are on the road that shouldn't be on the roads.
But about a month ago, Patty, I was going down
the Logi Bay Roads and there was a man on
the crosswalk and there was this red vehicle on the
outside doy anybody, and she was clipping her. I got
the license plate and I won't say the licenselate, but

(02:07:04):
it was a red vehicle. And this woman she went
on the outer ring Rose and turned on the access
road that goes into Still Anger. And that man was
a very lucky man. I'm surprised he didn't call your show.
He was pretty close to getting clipped. So people got
to pay a strict attention out there and stop using

(02:07:26):
their cell phones because the day that they hit and
killed somebody, when they're on their cell phone, it'll be
too late then, right. But anyway, there's not much else
I have to say today, Patty.

Speaker 2 (02:07:40):
I appreciate the call. Thanks a lot, Chris. And for
a Fraser and Joan Clark or someone belonged to them,
one of the mementos, or I guess a photograph of
you in your fifties anniversary Chris has it. We'd like
to reunite it with the family. How about that.

Speaker 17 (02:07:54):
I thank you for any congratulations on your song being
a pilot please?

Speaker 3 (02:07:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:07:57):
Pretty great?

Speaker 17 (02:07:58):
Eh, Yes, he's pretty I guarantee you that you gotta
have courage for that one.

Speaker 2 (02:08:03):
Yeah you too, Bye bye, Yeah, proud of me. Just
completed the exam for his commercial podicts licensed last Friday afternoon.
Pretty super stuff. All right, good show today, big thanks
to all hands and support the program, all of the callers, listeners, emailers, tweeters.
You're all right. We will indeed pick up this conversation
again for one morning right here on VOCM and Big

(02:08:25):
nfm's Open Line on behalf of the producer David Williams.
I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun,
happy day. Talk in the morning. Bye bye,

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