Monday Oct 20th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line Call seven oh nine two seven,
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(00:22):
Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Monday, October
the twentieth. This is Open Line. I'm your host, Patty Daily.
David Williams, He's produced the program. You'll be speaking with
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So imagine some blurry eye Toronto Blue Jays fans out there. Man.
The excitement is just fabulous, you know, look for a
little bit of an escape from all of the traumatic
down in the mouth issues that we deal with and
talk about and hear about all the time, but the

(01:05):
country seems to be rallying behind the Jay's, even casual
Blue Jays fans. Now we're all in, and it's pretty great.
Win Game six last night, six to two, couple of
long balls. I see a sign in the stands the
Labrador loves Vladdie, which I thought was pretty cool. And
Guerrero last night with the six postseason home run that
ties Joe Carter and Jose Batista for the most ever
in a Jay's postseason and Beltisa throughout the first pitch.

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And how about this is a savage kid twenty two
years old. His rookie year is next year. You know,
it was five and two thirds. And yes, he put
some guys on base last night, but he went and
needed a ground ball. There's the ground ball three straight
innings to thwart the Seattle threat with double plays. So
off we go to Game seven this evening. Here we go,
and just for a second, you know, it's easy enough

(01:49):
to marvel at joey Otani. Now, his seven hundred million
dollar contract is wild, but it's reported by the La
Times that the Divers have actually recouped all seven hundred
million dollars television contracts in Japan, merch sales in Japan
and all the rest. So and then in Game four
against the Brewers. So he's the starting pitcher and the
DH So there's only twelve hitters I've ever hit three

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home runs in the postseason game. There's only twenty six
pitchers who have ever recorded ten plus strikeouts, two or
less hits and no runs in the postseason start. Otani
did both in the same game, three for three with
three home runs. He was thrown seeds out there one
hundred miles an hour. I mean, probably the single greatest
postseason performance in Major League Baseball history. I think there's

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a fair agua to be made for that. And yeah,
there we go, Dodgers. Maybe the Blue Jays face the
Dodgers in the series. A quick mention on the tennis front.
Great weekend for Canadian professional tennis. Leila Andi Fernandez won
the Japan Open and then Felix ose Ali Si won
the European Open Championship. So brilliant stuff for them. Okay,

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back in twenty twenty three, I heard rumblings about this story.
I didn't know if they were true, and people who
were telling me did you hear this story? But he
got into an accident on the highway because the part
of the car that was being held together by zip
ties let go. And apparently it's absolutely true. So this guy,
Travis Jones, he brought his car into Canadian Tire in
Claronville for a routine oil change. This is back in

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May twenty twenty three. He's driving a twenty seventeen Honda Civic.
So apparently, you know what did they call the agent
splash pad had been taken away apparently fairly routine by
removal to do an oil change, but they didn't have
the metal bolts to reconnect it, and consequently they just
put it back together with plastic zip ties. Now apparently

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this is relatively common. It shouldn't be, but apparently it is.
The real trick here is at highway speed, it let go.
When he took his vehicle from the Canadian Tire he
thought there's something wrong here. You know, the car is
shaking and he was having a hard time gettingup to
highway speed. And then longhouled into the future. It fully
lets go. And there's a problem number one for a

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mechanic and or a garage regardless of where or who
or what company to not tell the person who owns
the car who's going to take it on the highway that, oh,
by the way, the metal bolts were unavailable and this
is a temporary solution. We suggest you don't take it
on the highway until we get the bolts in so
we can fix the job. Nope, didn't tell them anything,
and lo and behold this is the outcome. What is

(04:17):
going to be the actual repercussions for the company and
or the mechanics who were involved in putting the plastic
zip ties on one of the key structural parts of
a vehicle is mind boggling. I mean, what do we
have to do with consumers? Do we have to be
asking at the counter when we get our keys? Hey?
Is there anything else I need to know where all
of the appropriate parts reinstalled in my vehicle? Is it

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safe to take it on the highway? Do I have
to come back at the wheels reretorqued? Are you using
plastic zip ties? I mean, it's a wild story, but
apparently very very real. And mister Jones, if you'd like
to join us around the program, let's take it on.
But boyl boy, like they say, And if you need
a good accountant and the good mechanic that you can
trust with zip tize hey, and didn't tell them amazing stuff,

(05:02):
all right. A couple other ones where I'm not even
really sure what to say, but we've been talking about,
you know, legislation that's coming. I'm gona dig into a
bit later about harsher sentences and reverse onus for bail
conditions to what have you. And I don't know this woman,
and I hold no malice against sertis a lady from
Parsons call over Parsons pond. Is she all right? Neila Blanchers.

(05:25):
So she struck and killed the teenager, dangerous driving causing
the death, and the sentence was now handed down two
years less a day of house arrest. So when we
talk about the sentence matching the crime, you know, even
the lawyer for miss Blanche was thinking fifty to fifty
she's going to spend some time in prison, but no
spend a time at home for a couple of years

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less to day. There's a teenager dead. So these conversations
because sometimes we just hang our hat on what we
see as repeat offenders and violent criminals. But still the
sentence matching the crime is still are legitimate conversation in
this country. And we'll talk more about that a little
later in the program because there is new legislation coming.
But man oh man, and then more scams. You almost

(06:09):
get sick of talking about it. We've arrived at a
point where it's hard to trust almost anything you see,
which is really dangerous and it's extremely frustrating. But now
for folks in the city of Saint John's, well, I
guess anybody who may have possibly been in Saint John's,
maybe parked their vehicle in Saint John's. There's another scam
going around from a fraudulent website. It says on it
pay now, So you're being told that you have an

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outstanding parking ticket. It's a text scam, an outstanding parking
ticket looking for a huge payment, and the parking ticket
doesn't exist. Just ignore it. That's not how it works anyway.
But the folks who are on the other end of
these scams, I mean, what's the right word. I mean,
they're nuisances or they're evil, but they're obviously criminals. But
if you get that text saying that you owe money

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for a parking ticket, just ignore it in full, don't
do anything, don't panic don't share any information, okay, because
normally we would get what tickets in the mail. We
could put our ticket in the mail to say that
we'd like to challenge it. What's the future Canada post
looks like? What does it look like? Look it's unsustainable
with the kernel track it's on financially speaking, and I'm

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not so sure we're at the moment in time with
decisions like they've made in Denmark. So Postnord which is
Danish postal service, at the end of this year they're
stopping letter delivery period just to focus in on packages,
all right, So the numbers are obviously pretty clear what
we talked about. Over the course of the last twenty years.
In Canada, the volume of mail has decreased from five

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point five billion letters to two billion letters over the
last twenty years. That's a sixty percent dcline and doesn't
look like there's any going back. In Denmark that the
kind has been more steep ninety percent drop over roughly
the same time period. Now, I'm not hoping that anybody
loses jobs in Canada. Post is completely restructured from top
to bottom of people are out of work, what have you.

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But at some point even and then they've got some
suggestions out there, and yes, they're not wrong to point
the fact, point the finger blame at leadership of Canada
Posts that blew while we're significant revenues in things that
the workers deemed to be not required, certainly not essential
for the day to day operations that Canada Post. But

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in Denmark no more letter delivery by the end of
the year. Okay, post election, where to now? I'm not
sure exactly when the new government gets sworn in the
PC majority government. And yes, people talk about ministers getting
a chance to familiarize themselves with the new portfolios, even
though some of them would have been shadow ministers now
to be into the official minister's chair. But time's important here,

(08:43):
you know. The questions about where's all the money coming from,
they're not unfair because both of the top priorities, we're
making some pretty significant prompts here with money we don't have. Then,
apparently listee and vocem I don't generally refer to the
question of today, but here it is today. Do you
think the provincial government should keep giving a return to
balance budget date? It sounds great, right it does?

Speaker 3 (09:06):
You know?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Living within your means not overspending, but let's think about
it in real terms. This year's deficit, which includes all
the big back of money six hundred and twenty six
million dollars four point one billion dollars in borrowing. Austerity
has proven to be bad for individuals, bad for the economy,
bad overall. But some sort of strategy to deal with debt.

(09:28):
You hear me going on about it all the time
because people talk about what kind of world, what kind
of problems we're going to leave for our grandchildren. Well,
to leave them a staggering liability of some fifty billion
dollars sounds like a terrible plan. And more specifically, that
guy who went to the rugby game on Saturday a
fornoon and just out and about. And I'm not surprised,

(09:48):
but one of the most common questions or conversations people
engage with me in is about the upper churchial. I
think it's fair to say that the complexities and the
intricacies of a I have a trillion dollars worth of
MoU it's not that easy to understand for most I
get that, And you know, people with busy lives maybe

(10:09):
not doing a whole whole lot to dig into that
particular topic, but it's massive and has decades long implications
here if and when we ever get to some sort
of definitive agreements. So, now that mister Wakem is the
premier designate, I think it's important if we get a
few more details about what exactly the plan is an
independent review, I think to a man, to women, to

(10:31):
a woman, people think that's a good idea, including me,
because there's just too much on the line here. So
I get that, but what does that look like? And
what's the timeline associated with that? And then the bigger question,
and I don't think he can walk this back at
this point is the binding referendum. A few basic questions
about it is what exactly will we be asking people

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because at this point we have a non binding MoU
in place. Is the question do we proceed? The question
do we shelve it? Is the question do we not
consider the April so called deadline of twenty twenty six, Like,
what exactly are we going to be asking anybody? And
even with an independent review, and even with the possibility
or I guess the pending referendum, will the problems continue

(11:15):
to negotiate with the Province of Goubec or what exactly
is going on here? And I don't think it's unfair
to ask some of those questions, because this is not
about familiarizing yourself with the actual holding of the seat
of government versus the opposition. These are pretty significant pledges
made on the campaign trail, and he's stuck by them
the entire way through. So what does that even mean?

(11:35):
And what are we actually asking anybody? And whether or
not you think a referendum is a good idea. And
I've been blasted from stem discerned by saying I don't
think it's a good idea. But if you want to
bring your perspective forward here this morning, let's absolutely talk
about it, because the more we talk about it hopefully
leads to a better understanding, even though that's not always
the case. All right, let's keep going here. So today,

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appearing in court are the three women charged with obstruction
of justice resisting risks. And this is the protest in
the parking lot of the Confederation building in the boat
and this was all protests in the onshore wind proposals.
You know, the deal win to hydrogen ammonia for export.
No markets have been secured, very little action on either
of those. I think about five or six proposals and

(12:18):
proponents here talking about the possibility for the green hydrogen industry.
All right, so one thing, and if you'd like to
talk about the charges and or the proposals inside that industry,
we can do it. They also have a petition out
there and some pretty public pleas looking for political intervention,

(12:39):
looking for the premiere to see that the charges are
dropped and the core proceedings are stayed. Look if I
was charged with something and I thought it was completely unfair,
and let's add the context. They did, indeed do the
legwork here. They spoke with security, they spoke with law
enforcement about whether or not it was going to be
okay to protest in that form, in that fashion at
that time about this issue, and then they get arrested.

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Do we think that we want politicians that directly involved
in the court system, because it's not just about this,
you know. I always think that it's a pretty bad
idea in the middle of court proceedings for politicians to
chime in on it. Whatever case, whatever outcome after the
verdict is read, whatever the verdict may be, until all
of the timeline associated with appeals has gone by the wayside.

(13:25):
Politicians really should stay out of it. And that's from
all stripes, on all issues. I just don't think having
politicians directly involved in calling issues in front of the
court to see them dropped or to make much in
the way commentary. And you know, let's just add another
layer context. They can't have it both ways. You can't

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have politicians, when asked about things that are in the
court say well, I can't comment on that because it's
in the courts, which is the right thing to say.
But at the exact same time, do we really want
politicians And this is not about these three women, this
is about the issue in the bigger scheme of things.
Do we think that it's a good idea if the
premier or the Prime minister or anybody in political leadership

(14:08):
gets directly involved with that type of affair. And we
can add to the conversation about SNC Lavelin and the
ethics violation. That was Trudeau who should have one hundred
percent stayed out of it, but didn't. And now there's
calls for trees and lock them up and all that stuff,
and we can take that on if you're sewn client.
But you know, specifically about politicians getting involved at this

(14:28):
level on issues like this in front of the court,
because again you can't have both ways, can't comment in
front of the courts and then asking for the premier
to see those charges drop. I don't know, what do
you think you want to talk about it? We can
do it and on that front, so we're anticipating legislation
now regarding harsher sentences coming from the federal government reverse
owners on bail as opposed to the crown trying to

(14:50):
speak their case as to whether or not bail should
be denied. Now to put it on to the defendant
to prove that they deserve to be out on bail
with whatever associated conditions. So devil's in the details.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
We can talk about a high level but until we
see it and people who really understand the system can
offer some commentary to help us understand exactly what's being proposed.
I'm not sure what to do. And there's border security
legislation coming this week, look protecting the border from contraband
and undocumented peoples and drugs and guns getting into the country.
We should absolutely be doing a better job, but it's

(15:23):
kind of being put forward as if we're doing doing
things to help the Americans. Look, of course there are partners.
We share the largest, longest, most unmilitarized border in the
world and used to be very reliable partners. Of course,
that's kind by the way side. But anyway, so that
measure is coming, then we'll ask about issues regarding updates

(15:44):
on trade, and not much has been achieved since. But
as reported in the Wall Street Journal, the United States
is rolling back tariffs en quote products that cannot be grown, mined,
or naturally produced in the United States. So basically admitting
that using a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel was a
dumb idea. You know, if you can't grow enough bananas

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or a coffee or avocados or whatever it is that
people want in the United States, basically just unnecessarily made
it more expensive for importers and then consequently consumers. And
then the thought is, oh, well, there's the tariffa gun,
so we'll see the prices come back to earth. No
you won't. I mean the companies that are enjoying increased profits.
What's the likelihood of nameless, faceless corporations all of a

(16:29):
sudden saying oh, well, we don't have to pay the tariff.
Now your coffee is fifteen or twenty five percent cheaper.
Don't hold your breath. So a trade deal update from
this country would be great. Now, I do know there's
been more trade with different company or different countries around
the world that we've seen some surge South Korea, you know,
software lumber exports to Japan absolutely skyrocketing. But you know,

(16:51):
the unnecessary, based on nothing tariff trade war that we're
involved in here is ridiculous. And you know, people say,
what about the elbows up, mister Crowney and dropping all
the reciprocal tariffs. Look, basically what people are asking for
is to pay more, which why do we want that?
You know, the American self inflicted wound, I think is
a pretty serious case study in how they actually work

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and what the actual economic outcomes were. So they're going
to drop tarfts on everything that is grown or cannot
be grown, mined, or naturally produced in the United States.
But that doesn't let us off the hook, as we
are all unfortunately aware. How are we doing out there
this morning, Dave, Let's get a go on here, a
couple of quick ones before we get to you. Oh
and for snowbirds, making their way for their six months
less of day trip to the United States to weather

(17:36):
the winter. New rules in place they have been since April,
but of course this is around when snowbirds start to
make their southerly trek. At this stage, here and confusion
reigned supreme on the border. But now the possibility for
you to be fingerprinted and photographed and searched from top
to bottom, from stem to stern is new. If you're

(17:56):
going to be staying in the States for any longer
than twenty nine days, you are potentially facing this type
of additional layer of I guess security. The biggest issue
that you hear reported by snowbirds who are just making
their way into the States is that everything's at the
border security agent's discretion. So one RB with two Canadian

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travelers who've been setting up shop in the United States
for the last ten years now face this, but they
might not because not every border security agent even knows
what's required, and that's been widely reported. So if you're
a snowboard maybe just maybe speak with people at the
highest levels of security and border travel about what to expect,

(18:38):
cost and time and things like being fingerprinted and photographed
just for the purpose of entering to make your way
to Phoenix or to make your way to Sarasota or
wherever you're going. All right, last one, before we get
to you know, we should and can talk about some
of the things regarding addiction services and mental health related
matters of which we do not pay enough attention to

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it here in this province. Maybe on a better path
than we have been ten years ago, but we don't
do enough now. The Atlantic Lottery numbers are in boy,
oh boy. This province spent more on the lottery per
capita than any other Atlantic province. And many of this
would be, of course, people who have a problem with gambling,
all right. According to the corporation the Atlantic Latdal Corp.

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Profits for this province jump from one hundred and forty
seven million dollars to one hundred and fifty three million
dollars in twenty four to twenty five compared to the
last year. Online casino and slock game significant growth across
all four provinces, and in this province major factor for
the jump. New fa Lander's and Labradorian spent one hundred
and eighteen million dollars at the VLTs and look, some

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people are able to do a variety of things like
drink and smoke and use cannabis and gamble what have
you in moderation, and it doesn't get away from them.
But they're the exception, not the rule. So the gambling
kind of gets left by the way side. Here and look,
this is on the Atlantic blatterle numbers. This doesn't a
capsulate all the money's gambled in the problems. Look looking

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down my nose. I'm in a hockey pool, right. I
don't mind throwing in my whatever amount of money to
get in the season long hockey pool. But gambling sort
of gets left out when we talk about some of
the addictions. But of course it can ruin you and
your family and of course your finances. I'm not judging
because I've gambled in the past. We're on Twitter where
vosim up online follows there, email addresses, open line, FIOSM

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dot com. When we go back, let's have a great
show to kick off the week. There's only one way
that can happen. You know it don't go away, welcome
back to the show. Well, I said this man's name
in the preamble, and he joined us on line number two,
and as I said, back in twenty twenty three when
I heard rumbles that there was a serious issue on
a highway where a car had lost control because a
crucial piece of equipment was being held together by plastic

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zip ties. I didn't know if I believe it or not.
Join us on line number two is Travis Jones Morning,
Travis around the Air.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
My miriend as Lee speak to you again today.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm happy to have you on the program. So just
take us back to you. Pull into the Canadian Tire
in Clarenville and then what.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
So I went in Patty because they purchased some towers
online and I would do for an oil change. And
I had my oil change completed, they gave me my keys,
told me I was ready to go, and I went
and went onto the highway to drive myself back home.
And it was very immediately after I was trying to
gain highway speed that the car was shaking and dragging.
It was almost like it was a force pushing the

(21:22):
car backwards. So after that, I coasted the car back
to the Canadian Car and I told him sometimes wrong with
the car, and they put it back up on the
lift and within a couple of minutes later, Patty came
and got me and told me again that I was
ready to go.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
I walked toward the door.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
And then I spun around in my boots and I
went back and approached a gentleman who had worked on
my car, and I said, so, what exactly happened? You know,
you know, what did you do to fix it? And Patty,
they reluctantly told me that they had used plastic zipsies
to refasten this underbody to my car. So I got
home that day and still shook in but I got

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my composer, Patty, and I called corporate for Canadian Tar,
the corporates. It took some time to get back to me,
but Patty between contacting corporates, it was a May month
and it was November of twenty twenty three when they're
plastic ziptized had failed and the underbody then again dug

(22:29):
into the pavement on the highway going at highway speeds
and Patty, I went out over the highway embankment.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's a remarkable story. So and then when I read
down through it and they're talking about people who are
industry watchers and saying that this is surprisingly common, which
I think is a cautionary tale for everyone who interacts
with any garage or any mechanic. So, you know, I
guess we're gonna have to start asking questions that would
never even come to mind right about is the vehicle
highway safe? Is there anything I need to know? Did

(22:58):
you use classic ziptize? Blah blah blah? Do I need
to come back to get my tars retort anything like that,
which the owner should be on them to tell us
what we need to know as opposed to just crossing
fingers and hoping for the best. So now that we
are at this point in time, Travis, like, what's going on?
I know it's been captured by Gold Public and we're
talking about it, but what's the case with Canadian Tire
and where do we stand?

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Well, Patty, it all come back urgency to media, I believe.
In April month of this year, after the Mijeaux family
of Gander had another scary safety related incident after they
had their vehicle service at the Gander Canadian to our
location as her, her husband, and her young children were
in the back seat and their incident happened, and I
told myself, I can't let this happen again. It was

(23:42):
at that point that the Telegram Softwire had wrote about
both of our incidents, and you know, Patty was potentially fatal.
Transport Canada has done a report said it was masonance related,
that the issue is like the result of servicing action,
not a factory defect.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
So since then, Patty.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
You know Canadians are has not gotten in contact with me.
They had told CBC that they were indeed open to,
you know, a conclusion to this, but I've not heard
from that crowd. And honestly, Patty, what can they say?
My life was at risk and it could have been
potentially figurable.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, and I initially, like I've said a couple times
this morning, when I first heard rumblings about the story,
I thought that can't be true and obviously painfully true.
No one knows that better than you, Travis. So what
are you going to do here? Like? Is have you
had some advice from a lawyer, or is this just
going to be one of these things where you've run
up against a brick wall or what's next?

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Well, Patty, dealing with that corporation, it was like a
brick wall, I can honestly call it, almost like dealing
with a mafia. I had to put in a complaints
with the Canadian Privacy Commissioner in order to get the
call records and the emails. There were twenty plus call
recordings and when they did send me the Privacy Act package,

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they actually Patty held six key recordings from that package.
So what's going to happen next, Patty is I am
absolutely taking these gentlemen in the court. You know, it
is a slow process. I was able to obtain that
report from Transport Canada and.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
That it will be before joje.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
As it should be an exactly where it belongs. So
do we have timelines for this or you're just at
the beginning of this judicial process.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
I don't have a timeline for anything, Patty.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
I mean, I thought it would be concluded much sooner
than you know today's date. But when it gets concluded,
you'll be the first.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Call a mate, and I appreciate that. Thanks for doing
this this morning, Travis. Thanks for your time, good luck,
my pleasure, Bye bye. I mean, but you know, and
that's not just necessarily about Travis and his concerns, which
are completely legitimate, obviously, is that's where we are. It's
big guy, little guy stuff, right, So when you have
to what to take government or take government to task,

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whether be in the courts are otherwise. And big corporations
they've got the horsepower, the time, the money to make
it extremely slow, maybe weight you out, maybe with the
financial pressures and our time or whatever the case may be.
Because it's the stories all the time. You know, we
try to see the justice system, whether it be criminal

(26:24):
or civil, try to make it fair and accessible as
best possible. But we're always going to be up against
that nature small versus big, you know, the corporation, government
and otherwise. And it shouldn't be that way. It's just painful.
Let's see here, let's take a break away with the
common back. We're going to talk about medical transportation. There's
a caller in the que to talk about long term care.
And then you don't away. Welcome back. Let's go to

(26:47):
line number one. Go morning, Donna. You're on the air.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
Yes, good morning, Betty, Thank you for taking my call.
No problem. I I'm talking about medical transportation. Now, like
I I'll live in Marriage count Now, well you said
be living in St. John's. But when we have appointments,
we have to go back and forth, you know, to
like I have appointment at Saint Clair's on the twenty
ninth at nine point thirty in the morning, so don't

(27:14):
drive so I would normally have to get a taxi
in Okay. Just because the taxi goes in, it comes
out the same day. This is the email I ever received.
I'm seeing your requiest for appointment on the October twenty ninth.
The shared taxi won't be an issue, but I'm unable
to provide meals and accommodations. But have written those from

(27:34):
a doctor's office that the appointment is unable to be
moved and won't be fit into the shared taxi schedule.
If you can get them to fax email a note
on your bed, we can make it up the way
we need it in writing from a doctor's office what
we're already living in. Like you've got a job to
get appointment with a doctor. Only get the doctors in

(27:56):
the medical transportation just because you don't want to pay
for forty five dollars a night for your accommodations, just
like I would stay with my sisters and you know
for your meal. But anyway, I phone today and I said,
I don't care about the forty five dollars I'll stay
with my sister anyway. But I said, like, like, like,

(28:16):
what's I said? Does this provincial government run this? He
said yes. I said, well, you know what, like everybody
else could come in and get rooms and meals and
I can't get one for one night, So like where
is the logic and all this? I'd just like to know, right,
I'm pissed.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
So I understand why your concern is here, So how
should it work? What is suggestin?

Speaker 5 (28:44):
I guess they just want you to try to get
a time so that you could go in and get
the taxi and come out the same day. Some appointments
don't work that way, so I would have to go
in a day early and because the taxis would not
be in there next morning at nine thirty in the morning.

(29:05):
So anyway, I just like, you know, I just poise
them with it all, Like I don't care about forty
five dollars, but I'm sure there's more people and in
this boat that like you know, is doing this like
same thing, Like you've got to try to get in
and get out the same day, or if not, you
need a note from the doctors saying that they're you know,

(29:26):
disappointment can be changed for another time. So I just
don't know, Like you know, you got job, you get
to see a doctor, loan for them, breaking note stating
they can't change the appointment time anyway. I just you know,
that's my bit for today.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
All right.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I'm glad you called Donna, because you know, for individuals,
it's hard enough to get an appointment. It's hard enough
to get all the appointments you need in a tight
time frame so that you can spend as little as
possible for transportation and logics and food what have you.
But through no fault of our own. I mean, we're
at the mercy of the system, and this is them
is in pretty serious straits these days. So yeah, you know,

(30:05):
some of the rules are just a little bit too
stringent because we can't make things happen to act to
our own hopeful schedules. It's just not how it works, no, no, and.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
It's it needs to be looked at like my, my, my,
I come on, like some people who would go in
for like something they need done, they probably wouldn't feel
well enough to come out the same day. But I
guess it's with their system is stating. And you know,
but I said, like you know, maybe it's other people
like going through this too. I don't know, but I

(30:37):
just wanted to put it out there.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I'm glad you did. Don I appreciate your time.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
Great, thank you, Patty.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
No problem to bike. Yeah. Look, and for the folks
who are administering the travel program and subsidies what have you,
they're just dealing with what they have, right. They don't
have the authority to make on the five decisions about
oh well, let's accommodate this or that, because they don't
have a whole lot of discussion available to them. The
parameters are set and they simply deliver based on the

(31:03):
rules that are in place. But a little bit of
flexibility and I don't even know who that flexibility should
be afforded to insofar's decision making on a day to
day basis. But we all can't, you know, fit neatly
into some of these programs because it's tricky enough to
get into the system. I think once people are in
the system probably works pretty well. Lots of really kind hearted,

(31:25):
trained experience healthcare professionals. But that doesn't mean that we
can't try to find a tweak so that it's a
little bit easier. Once you finally are able to get
the care you need. Let's got a line number three
collar around the air.

Speaker 6 (31:37):
Oh, good morning, good morning. Yes. I want to bring
up the issue of long term care, especially since there
are scathing reports out there, such as the AGA report,
And I'm speaking from my experience as a professional health worker,

(31:59):
from my lived experience, and as a long term advocate
for the frail elderly who who at this time do
not have a voice, and to me, the most effective
way the provincial government could make any improvements in the
dismal long term care issue is to put in place

(32:24):
an independent health advocate authority. That's the only way that
I can see that, especially on an individual level, that
you will see any improvement because this authority would address
the concerns of seniors and their relatives on a timely basis,

(32:47):
identifying wrongdoings, ensuring accountability, and this way the flaws within
the system would be corrected starting from the bottom up.
The scathing AG report, which I mean independently identified horrific issues,

(33:11):
you know, and even possibly I think it was criminal action.
May I think that was suggested looking at some of
the things that the AG report found there there is
there is such a there's such a need for such
an investigative body like immediately to address things now on

(33:32):
a daily basis and long term care, there's nothing, there
is no organization, there is nothing out there now to
help a person, either the relative or the poor resident,
because the poor resident, I mean, is is intimidated enough.

(33:54):
And and and I'll just mention. I mean, just just
one thing going on in the in the different sectors,
the personal care homes. And during the past election, when
I was speaking to those running, I would ask them,

(34:14):
are you aware that the personal care homes are not
required to have any trained staff? And everyone said no.
I mean, to me, that's terrible. I mean, the residents
are elderly, frail and deserve to have trained staff, you know,

(34:36):
to identify the symptoms of illnesses that are so common
within the elderly person. And I just don't I just
can't understand how this is allowed to continue. That they
get away with it by saying that seniors in personal

(34:57):
care homes only require a system with activities of daily living.
But but that is so it's so wrong. I mean,
you can look at I mean, you know, all other
target groups have some kind of professional help, you know,
they're I mean preschool children, they're required to have to

(35:21):
have specialized people looking after them. To me, like housing
all these elderly people, it's and I don't think I'm
exaggerating it that much to say that it's no more
than senior ghettos. You know, I'm appalled at it. And

(35:43):
then when I speak to well they are too, they no,
that can't be true. Well it is true. And then
now the past provincial government they they were talking about
aging in place, which really sounds good, you know, keeping

(36:03):
the elderly at home. But if that's only good if
they're if they're if they're safe, and like everyone is
talking about the increased violence in society, the increased crime rate,
or senior abuse scams, but I have not heard one

(36:24):
person suggests that within the circle of care for the
vulnerable that they're that they're saying that they're going to
age in place safely at home. There there's not there's
not one will suggest that within that care plan to
include like at least having the local police involved. I mean,

(36:49):
at least have at least have leave the seniors with
a you know, with a direct number to call the
police or advising police set within the community. I mean,
there are vulnerable people and they're.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Being taken advantage of. I mean, look had we've had
stories of people who have been hired to work in
care home settings and they said there were nurses turned
out they weren't. I mean, we can't have people with
faked credentials working with vulnerable people. Number one. Secondly, some
of the violence is perpetrated by staff, but some of
it is resident on resident, which brings us back to qualified, trained,

(37:28):
and enough of them. I mean, the ratio of staff
to resident is probably not where it needs to be.
And that's something we've been talking about for quite a
long time here. And when the Auditor or General brings
forward these reports, it's becoming very tiresome to me that
when we'll hear from whatever government and successive governments we
understand and we appreciate it, will implement the recommendations. Yet

(37:48):
things don't change dramatically. And when you mentioned, you know,
police intervention, if someone is sexually assaulted, that's not an
operational shortcoming, that's a crime.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
That the thing is. And neighbors, I mean, I know
I know seniors at home and and and you know
pre dementia, rob blind and and and there is and
and they're not even discussing this in when they're talking

(38:21):
about aging in place. So like before, I mean that
goes in place, at least have the conversation and and
and at least have some steps so that when you
when this happens and you take it further, at least

(38:42):
at least the community and and and the police and
the court system is aware of what is going on,
because right now they just seem to I don't know
if they're too busy, if they don't care, or whatever
it is, but it's permeating through the whole community. And

(39:02):
even when you look at the nursing home. The nursing home,
there's an increasingly deteriorating the care is there's a creeping neglect, abuse,
and staffing commacy that exists throughout the system. I mean,

(39:23):
I mean, like, how appalling is it to hear, after
numerous falls of your resident, to hear from from the
home and administration and the staff that the residence has
a right to fall. I mean, it is like you,

(39:44):
I don't know if it's if it's just I don't know,
maybe people don't want to look at it, but this
is this independent advuracy body would at LEAs least have
the authority and even and even in the nursing homes.

(40:06):
The the Adult Protection Act, which is supposedly there to
protect to protect seniors. I mean, it can be maliciously
implemented by staff and due to the confidentiality that's into
that act, it protects the abuse of staff. And there's

(40:28):
no accountability and no one seems to have the authority
to even do a quality review of it. You you
go to you go to the the well. I don't
know what they're called now because Social Services Department is
always changing its name and you wonder why they're doing that.

(40:49):
But anyway, you go to them, who who's supposed to
to have have the authority to look in the into
the Adult Protection an Act And they only have the
authority to look at the protective aspects of the Act
and that translates into timelines. They apparently do not have

(41:13):
their suthorty to go into the institution to look at
and investigate the act that supposedly triggered the ap A.
I mean, it's unbelievable. You go there, So then you
turn to the healthcare system and well, the Department of

(41:37):
Health won't even answer you, and then the institution will
tell you, well, they don't have the authority to investigate
the APC. So where like there is no there is
no organization out there to investigate a malicious ap act.

(42:00):
That's that's implemented within the long term care sector. Now,
if there wasn't, if there was a body that had
the authority to go into that and look at it, okay, you,
they would be able to identify the wrongdoing and and
and get some accountability and start changing the system from

(42:21):
the bottom up. Then then at least the public would
at least get some help. There's you know, I'm the
health system is as complicated as it is, and the
public how is the public that knows nothing about the
healthcare system, how it how it works. I mean, but

(42:45):
it's only someone who has some kind of of an
idea of of how to keep requesting some kind of
quality reviews of what is happening that that has any
hope at all. And even then there's no answers, Like
there is not one organization out there that the only

(43:08):
one that anyone can talk to is you, and I
may not I'm sure it's not in your mandate to
go and investigate anything and that's not what I'm saying
that you should. But the point is is that like
the public, the public should be demanding this investigative body

(43:29):
because it's it's a it's a it's a strange world
out there. And and I mean and and this this
can be so bad that people have taken their loved
ones out because it was so unsafe and and the
care was so atrocious, the relative was getting worse and

(43:53):
the only way to get them into safety was to
get them out of the institution. Now, I mean this
day and age Mattie, it's to me, I think you
have to start at the bottom. And now there was
uh and and I don't have her the senior's advocate.

(44:15):
I mean that that does nothing for anybody on an
individual basis. And and it's it's said that that government
does have money in everywhere you turn there seems to
be a seniors group or something, but seniors D and
L they can't they don't have demand they advocate on

(44:35):
an individual basis. And you know, there has to be
an an independent health advocacy and there has to be
health people involved there. Social workers do not understand the
health component in the system, and time and time again

(44:56):
that has death has been proven so to me and
this one't take this one. This one. Take the present government.
Hopefully they'll get something in place to address people's concerns
at least and look at really are the seniors agencies

(45:20):
that they are funding to some degree they fund I
think most all of them to some degree, and maybe
put it together to help individuals work their way through
the system and get answers.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
I totally understand and for the most part agree in full.
I'm late for my break, but I really appreciate you
making time for the show.

Speaker 6 (45:42):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
You're welcome to me. Take care bybie all. Just get
that break and took away, Welcome back to the show.
Just quick clarification. As I was questioned via email about
the thoughts I had about snowbirds, what to expect at
the border if you're making away from Canada to the
United States to winter, someone wrote to say that's always
been the case. No things change in April. Legislatively speaking,

(46:06):
there is absolutely change what people can anticipate or expect
at the border. There's always been the potential to be
searched in question and to fill out the appropriate paperwork,
but there's different layers of rules entering the States, not
because I say so, because the actual American government and
the border services in the United States say exactly the
same thing. So I guess I always asked as to why

(46:27):
I'm saying that there's confusion. Well, apparently there is. You know,
if not every single person comes from Kannaday to the
United States as fingerprinted and photograph goes through the exact
same ordeal for the exact same paperwork, given the exact
same timelines, that means there's confusion. If they're given discretion. Look,
discretion is there for obvious reasons. But if people are

(46:47):
told two different things and upon arriving at the border
found out they were given bogus information by the American
Border Control, then that's where confusion is. So all I
was mentioning is that, snowbirds, maybe it's a good idea
to find out exactly what to expect and the accurate
information before you're caught at the border ill prepared without
the proper paperwork, and whether or not you can actually

(47:08):
register at the border, or there's something that you should
be doing in advance of your trip to the I says,
that's all, And you can't say that nothing's changed, because
it did change and change in April. It's just now
where the snowboards are starting to make their way into
the States that we're hearing these stories being told. Let's
go ahead and take a break here will those of
you in the queue, you stay right there, will get
to you right after this dunk away. Welcome back to

(47:32):
the shoe. Let's go line number four, Gary around.

Speaker 7 (47:35):
The air, good wine? Patty? Are you ready? Are you
ready for tonight? Patty? I'm so excited about the well Man.
They went to Seattle just to get back to Toronto,
and they fourth, the seventh came in and so many
things last night's came. I mean, I can't discribe it all,
but April May said it is Laddie, are you ready?

(47:58):
And he's Laddy said the rest of us are you ready?
So are you ready? Patty?

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Yeah? I think so, as people know who have to
put up with me and listen to me. I watch
a lot of baseball, I always have, and it's been
a long time since the Jay's even had a sniff
at this type of success. So yeah, I'm ready to go.
And I'm not one of those living die if they
lose Tonight I'll be disappointed, but I'll get up and
go to work tomorrow. If they win tonight, I'll be thrilled.
So I just find it really exciting to be honest

(48:23):
and me and the crowd. A couple of my buddies
are at the game last night. I hate being jealous
of people who do things that I wish I was doing,
but I was pretty jealous last night. The boy is
sitting bright by homeplate.

Speaker 7 (48:33):
Oh man, there's so much happening last night. There was
a complete team win last night because the defense last night,
three three inches in the row, the double plays, the
Holy Remarcle. The infield is solid, it's rock solid. They've
got to solve the infield and to get to the

(48:55):
home run and hitter from Oh yeah, the home run
and hitter. There's two first basements in the game last night.
There both from Canada. The both his home runs, one
for each team. Josh Natter, he's from Mississauga as Latimerica Vera,
he's from Canada too. So you know, our Canadian baseball
team is going to look pretty good when you have
those two playing on the same team for the World

(49:17):
World Cup of Baseball. When they play that so that's
exciting news too. But you know what, I'm so thankful
that we had a chance to talk about the Blue
Jays so the summer and now. And I remember the
first time it said, you know, if the Blue Gate
they're good, we're enjoying the gravy part of this journey
now where this is the gravy train is just about

(49:40):
if to make it to the World Series, wouldn't that
would be so wonderful. I think the whole of Canada
will be Japans for so much joy right across Canada,
and that would be wonderful because I mean, even in
my home here, everybody who talked about the Blue Jays.
Is why they're all talking about the Blue Jays and
not the Well it's something we got some much sigmons

(50:02):
back and too into some people's lives, you know, because
you talk about because the show, like the one day
he says, you're the voice of a lot of people.
You know, you listen to a lot of the heartaches
and stuff all the timing though, and that's important to
share those stories too. But sometimes we all need to
break away from all the tragedies of life. You have
to have a little sigmon and enjoy and happiness in

(50:24):
her life. So I want to thank you for allowing
me to share white joy with everybody too. And Nukeland go.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Day go absolutely, Thanks lot. Gary enjoyed the game.

Speaker 7 (50:35):
Tonight, Okay, thanks Gry buy now bye.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
And here Sarah Stricklin, who's a big Jays fan. I
have to say, and like she said in conversation with
Russell barbersworn, she wasn't alive when they won in ninety three.
So I mean for the younger Blue Jays fans, you know,
twenty fifteen, first time back in the playoffs since ninety
three when they won back to back World Series. It
was exciting in fifteen and sixteen, but this is different now.
Those teams back then, I really thought they were outstanding teams,

(51:00):
had a chance to win. But I am I was
going to say for better or worse. Plenty old enough
to remember Joe Garter, and I mean Gladdy now with
six postseason home runs, Todd with Carter and Jose Bautista
and hopefully breaks that record tonight and be thrilled. I
have no idea where I'm going, Dave, you want to
point me to one particular call or another, I don't
go to Lene Nuber three and say go more to
the executive director at the Cathedral Basilica Foundation. That's Maria Conky.

(51:22):
Good morning, Maria, you're on the air.

Speaker 8 (51:26):
Hello Patti, thank you so much for having.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Me, Happy to have you on. Welcome to the.

Speaker 8 (51:29):
Show, Thank you, thank you, glad to be here. So
I am I'm privileged to be the executive director of
the Cathedral Basilica Foundation of Newfoundland and Labrador and some
listeners might remember us as the Basilica Heritage Foundation, so
I wanted to share that that our name has changed

(51:49):
and so has our role. We're not just about preserving
a historic building anymore, where the stewards of an entire
community space that we call the feel like a block.
So in April twenty twenty four, we officially became the
owners of the Basilica and the surrounding properties. So now
we're not just supporting heritage, we're responsible for it, you know,

(52:12):
the physical, financial, and cultural care of this extraordinary site.
So we've launched a new logo inspired by stained glass,
and we're positioning the foundation not just as a heritage steward,
but as hopefully a cultural catalyst for the city. So
we have lots of exciting things coming up that I

(52:32):
was hoping to share with.

Speaker 9 (52:33):
You, Patty.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I mean, people along just considered the Basilica a place
for mass and it was a religious institution. But if
you get out of the brass tax, the artifacts, the artwork,
the history makes the mandate much broader today. And thankfully
so when you start about that type of cultural protection,
how should people listen to the program this morning hear
that and what should they understand about that?

Speaker 8 (52:57):
Well, great point, Patty, and I think I've only come
in to this role since July, but what I've learned
is that everyone has a Basilica story. Everyone has some
kind of connection, whether it's their family where the you
know Stillemasons back in eighteen fifty five, or whether they
are art enthusiasts and appreciate the sculpture and the paintings

(53:22):
and the work here in the Basilica, or they are
musicians and as you may know, the space is one
of the best performance spaces for you know, the NSO
and choir throughout the city, and so there is so
much more to explore here in addition to being now

(53:44):
a vibrant parish community. So there's a connection that everyone
seems to have to this space, and once you start
diving deep into the history and the beauty and the
artifacts and the books that are here, it's a really,
really incredible testament to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador

(54:07):
who built this place.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
No question, this might be a bit of a silly question. Well,
give us an idea about the geographical footprint we're talking
about inside the Cathedral Basilica foundation. Look, for instance, does
Thrasas the veiled version at the presentation come and fall
into your footprint?

Speaker 8 (54:24):
Great question. That is actually not under our roof, but
as one of our partners on the Basilica block, so
that is at the presentation Sisters Convent, and that is
free and open for the public to see. We're actually
in the process of cataloging and archiving all of the
art that we do have here and sculpture in the

(54:47):
Cathedral Basilica itself. We are working with appraisers from across
the country to really make sure what we do have
is presented accordingly and safe. But in terms of the
space itself, you know, there is the tombs underneath the

(55:08):
sanctuary itself are incredible stained glass windows, and you know,
masonry work and stone work from all the way back
to eighteen fifty five.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
So when it was under the auspices of the Roman
Catholic Episcopal Corporation, their revenue stream is no longer there.
So what are operational costs going to be for your foundation?
How are you going to be able to support that number?
Whatever that number is?

Speaker 8 (55:33):
Well, great question. I mean keeping the cathedral basilicas doors
open truly does run about you know, nine hundred thousand annually,
which protects our building's incredible history, the artwork and the artifacts.
So we are we're looking at many initiatives to keep

(55:54):
that going. One initiative is that we have an incredible
space which is now known as the Alice Commons. It
was once the Archbishop's residence, and this is an incredible
heritage building that we have restored and are continuing to
upgrade in order to bring tenants and community members and

(56:15):
art organizations, musical groups into the space to find their
own to be tenants and start creating a history, a
new history as well. We also have a Friends of
the Basilica campaign, which is the way for anyone who

(56:36):
loves this landmark to play a part in its renewal.
So whether you give you know, ten dollars or one hundred.
Every contribution helps preserve the Basilica. It ensures it remains
a vibrant place for worship, heritage and culture. And in
my past, like Patty, I was a musician. I still am.
I shouldn't say a past life. So we're launching a

(56:57):
new concert series called the Cathedral, the Silica and Palasper then,
which is a Sunday afternoon series that will bring these
spaces to life with music and community. So all of
these initiatives are ways that we are trying to both
open the doors to the province and the city and
make sure that we're generating the income that we need

(57:18):
to keep this incredible space vibrant and alive.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah, so you mentioned this concert series and you said,
you know, like the New Fland Symphony Orchestra and choirs,
whether people go to Handle's Messiah or what have you
as a Christmas tradition, exactly what kind of access will
the public have to this space, whether it be the
Basilica proper or the grounds, it will be both right now.

Speaker 8 (57:41):
So we are so fortunate, you know, for I believe
since the nineteen eighties for the NSO to be here
every December to perform as Science. We are starting our
own concert series, as I said, that will be on Sundays.
The first concert is Sunday, October twenty sixth up soon.
It's called Oh Happy Day, and it's an incredible gospel

(58:04):
celebration featuring Rob James, a new singer to the province
and an incredible singer from across the country, with Evan
watt Smith, who is a Musland favorite. It's an incredible show.
So it'll be uplifting, joyful and just exactly the kind
of energy we want people to feel in this space.
So that is one coming up. We're going to have

(58:26):
the Royal news Land Regiment Band coming up in November
for a Sunday afternoon performance. And we have more events
lined up in the Palace Commons and what people might
remember as the Episcopal Library in the new year as well.
So there will be definitely different different types of music

(58:47):
and different types of performances as part of this concert series,
hopefully ones that will appeal to everyone in one way
or the other, either in the Basilica proper or as
I said, in the recital space in the Palace Commons.
So trying to really open it up to a broad
range of interests, and just I feel always like when

(59:12):
people come to this into the space, they start learning
and it means something different to every person. So if
we can provide some Sunday afternoon entertainment that appeals to
a wide variety of people, we know that they will
see the beauty and the history here and that's our goal.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
I guess we're all just fortunate that the Basilica got
such an important outdoors or outside facelift there a number
of years ago, so that wasn't also on the list
because it really needed a bit of that TLC outside
and it looks tremendous now. Marie, I appreciate your time,
good luck in your new role, or anything else you'd like
to say this morning.

Speaker 8 (59:50):
No, thank you so much for having us, Patty. If
i'd like to share with your listeners, if you're interested
in tickets, please call us seven oh nine seven nine
three four four one once or you can email info
at THEA Silica Foundation dot ca A. And again, Patty,
thank you so much for having us.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
More than happy to have you on, Maria. Thank you. Okay,
take care, all right, let's get to the break. Women
come back. We're talking post election oversight at the care homes,
the mo OU and then whatever you want to talk about.
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to let number five. PJ.
You're on the air.

Speaker 10 (01:00:23):
Good morning, Patty morning, Good morning.

Speaker 11 (01:00:26):
Uh yeah, I want to talk about the mo OU
this morning.

Speaker 12 (01:00:30):
I was hoping to get in before the election, but
as it turns out, it's going to be studied now anyway.
But so I think some of my comments today are
still relevant.

Speaker 11 (01:00:39):
One of them has to do with Andrew Parsons.

Speaker 12 (01:00:44):
He responded to Danny Williams about you know, why no
one else is coming forward as potential suitors for this
church or faults go out and developments, you know, And I.

Speaker 11 (01:00:56):
Just want to quote what he said.

Speaker 12 (01:00:57):
He said, this MoU has been in the public now
now for a year, and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Nobody else has a big.

Speaker 12 (01:01:03):
Quebec nobody has come forward. So that was quite ironic
to hear those words, because you know, on page fifteen
of the MoU, one of the sections in there talk
about the term of this MoU, which.

Speaker 11 (01:01:19):
Is from when it was signed in December.

Speaker 12 (01:01:22):
For about sixteen months up until April of twenty twenty six,
and of course it can be extended if both parodies
agree to that, fine and Danny. But this is the
more important part of the paragraph that's there, and it's
very plain English, one of the more plainar English paragraphs.
In it, it says, during that term Newfouland Hydro shall

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not discuss or enter into any agreement with any parody
other than Hydro Quebec with respect to the possibility of
developing hydro electric projects at Galla or Churchill Fall sites.
So it's right there, black and white. Even if somebody
was one to come forward, New Lean Hydro's hands are handcuffed.

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They're not allowed to speak to anyone. I thought it
was ironic that the minister responsible for bringing the MoU
back to the province.

Speaker 11 (01:02:13):
Where along with the other.

Speaker 12 (01:02:14):
Former premier of course, would think that people could come
forward and newfoaland Hydro would be free and able.

Speaker 11 (01:02:20):
To speak on it.

Speaker 12 (01:02:21):
So I thought that was an important point to bring forward.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Okay, insofar as once two parties enter into an MoU,
is it not pretty standard good faith practice that you
don't play both sides against the middle. You know, before
you enter into the MoU you could be entertaining a
dozen suitors. But once you arrive at that stage. Is
that not relatively common stuff?

Speaker 12 (01:02:45):
Perhaps it is, but I'm just pointing out as the
minister responding saying, well, nobody else has come forward in
the year, they don't have no one has an opportunity
newthaland Hydro doesn't have an opportunity. So his response is
not really valid in my view because there wasn't a
possibility for anybody to come forward. So maybe now that

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we're going into a different phase of this, that this
thing can be you know, more more of a slushed
out and studied a bit more. The other thing I
wanted to speak of today and again it was when
you had the CEO Newfland, Haduan Jennifer Williams. You asked
a very simple question about how much boring you know,

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is going to have to be done by Newfouland in
order for this development to go ahead, and you didn't
get a straight answer because they want to deflect.

Speaker 11 (01:03:37):
They want to say, well, cfl Co's doing the boring.

Speaker 12 (01:03:40):
But you know, at the end of the day, Newfland
government is responsible for two thirds of cfl CO, sort
of responsible for two thirds of the debt I think
up to this point and the whole process the liberals
did not want to discuss how much was being borrowed.
But doing a quick calculation of the inflemation on our

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chapter site and in conjunction with the financial modeling that's in.

Speaker 11 (01:04:07):
The MoU, I have to come up with a number.

Speaker 12 (01:04:10):
Of clost eighteen billion dollars. So I mean that would
be something that again could be posed to see CEO
of Hydro now, really how much boring is online here
for New falaland how much are responsible? And because up
to this point they want the public to believe that
all equity is being covered by this three point five

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billion dollars to getting but it's simply.

Speaker 10 (01:04:32):
Not the case.

Speaker 12 (01:04:33):
New Faland is going to be on the hook for
substantial billions of dollars in this So again it would
be something that come out of the study.

Speaker 11 (01:04:45):
The other point I.

Speaker 12 (01:04:46):
Wanted to talk about is you mentioned you asked about
the studies that were done on the Gull Island evaluation potential.
Lanhydro said, yeah, we have it, but we don't want
to release it because it would give the upper hand
to Quebec. I found it quite funny in a way

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because when you.

Speaker 11 (01:05:10):
Look at the YouTube.

Speaker 12 (01:05:13):
Videos that New Glen Hydro has on there. They have
one on there and says what is the top risk of.

Speaker 11 (01:05:18):
The mo OU And when you look at it, it's
quite amazing.

Speaker 12 (01:05:22):
It says the top risk is not signing this mo
OU fast enough. And I don't think that is really
top risk in this And it ends all under the
bridge now in a way, but it's.

Speaker 11 (01:05:34):
Going to be studying. But it just goes to show.

Speaker 12 (01:05:36):
Hopefully going forward under the new administration that think the
answers are going to be a bit more forthcoming. The
last point I wanted to talk.

Speaker 11 (01:05:46):
About is the our chapter.

Speaker 12 (01:05:48):
That's the website the provincial government has related to this MoU.
They have a three page document there on just the facts.
They call it a fact sheet.

Speaker 8 (01:05:59):
I went through it.

Speaker 12 (01:06:00):
I see about ten misleading statements. You know when you
look at things. For example, the Churchill River capacity is
going to increase by thirty nine hundred megawatts. Yeah that's true,
but ninety percent of that is going.

Speaker 11 (01:06:15):
To be delivered to Quebec.

Speaker 12 (01:06:16):
Quebec is getting ninety percent of those additional megawatts. But
where it's confusing is to trying to mislead the people
and province is saying providing new filand laborator hydro would
access to nearly four times as much electricity for use
in Labrador. That is because you're going to get more
electricity out of Churchill Falls Number one plant. It's not

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because you're getting more out of the thirty nine hundred expansion,
which is what Newfoland is sticking their neck out for
and going into debt for. So it just found hopefully
now with this news say new study that's going to
take place under the new government, is that these things
can be more or less brought forward to the public

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and they can rely on them and hopefully use them
to make decisions going forward, whether it's through the study, referendum,
what have you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
PG. Do you have any thoughts on the proposed binding referendum.

Speaker 12 (01:07:14):
Well, I think based on you know, looking at things
with these reprehendum processes, both parodies, if it has to
come to that will be educating their audience and that's
what we didn't have that before the government, the local
government was not really wanting the public to know the
full facts of everything. You know, they wanted to push

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through of course, but they weren't willing to do it.
I think under the under a referendum scenario, if it has.

Speaker 11 (01:07:41):
To get there.

Speaker 12 (01:07:41):
I'm not confident that it really has to get there
after a study, if the study is robust enough and
may tell the tale and nobody will have to be
convinced otherwise.

Speaker 11 (01:07:51):
But if it does have to come.

Speaker 12 (01:07:53):
To that, both parodies typically and then those referendums put
a big effort into educating their specific side.

Speaker 11 (01:08:00):
And people will have a very very well.

Speaker 12 (01:08:02):
Burst information to make a decision on. So I don't
see it being that problematic at the end of the day,
I think people want the lab of door developments to
go ahead.

Speaker 11 (01:08:13):
That's I think everybody is.

Speaker 12 (01:08:14):
Favor of that generally, and that if people are educated
and informed, I don't think it will be it will
be turned.

Speaker 11 (01:08:20):
Out to be that problematic.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Yeah, I have a bunch of questions about it. Pot
you know, if there's a referendum, like for STARTUS, when
would that be, Is it on the heels of an
independent review? Would it be at that stage? And what
exactly were we asking Because if we're having a referendum
on a non binding agreement like an MU, that really
feels like in front of horse kind of stuff to me.

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If it's at the end of the process and the
contracts are back in the hands of both sides to
be eventually signed and debated in the House of Assembly,
information shared town halls. On what the contracts say, then
that's a different thing. Because again for me, for a referendum,
forget the call, but just even the veracity of a
referendum on something that is simply on agreement in principle

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and not a contract. I really don't know what we
have gained by that, but anyway, I might be in
the minority there.

Speaker 12 (01:09:12):
Yeah, my view on that the placement for that referendum
will be after let's say the next MoU. Let's say
the next m OU comes after the study, then that
that would set it up for the for the proper
place for it, because right now it's it's well, it
wouldn't be any further ahead doing it now.

Speaker 11 (01:09:30):
But after after the study is done, the people.

Speaker 12 (01:09:33):
Are getting in formed, they're all questions are answered. I mean,
if the government had answered questions going into this properly
or early one hundred percent full transparency, they'd probably still.

Speaker 11 (01:09:44):
Be in power.

Speaker 12 (01:09:45):
The ironic part of this so I mean going forward
referendum would have the fall after the study, so that
the new administration, new government knows what's happening. Nufland Hydro
have now a new new you know, le new government
to work with and may have different.

Speaker 11 (01:10:05):
Things that they are going to bring forward.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
And this may study may.

Speaker 12 (01:10:08):
Turn out to provide better positioning for new plan now
to do the check and balances and and you know,
so that we're better set up to do an MoU
with Quebec. So sounds like we're on a better track now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
I mean, I don't know what political forces would have
been if X Y or ZAD had to happen. But
if after the press conference at the rooms, the next
announcement was we have selected Organization X to do an
additional independent review of this, the conversation would be so
much different, it really would. Even though there's you know,
the muskrat falls hangover, there's the distrust of Quebec hangover,

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we'd be entertaining a vastly different scenario here if that's
what the government had to do by following LeBlanc's recommendations. PJ.
Appreciate your times, Forny, thanks for doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Okay, we're good, thank you all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
The best, but bye, I just got to break in.
When we come back. Oversight of the care homes and
or wants to talk about white times that are Marge
dunk Away, Welcome back to the program. Let's go to
a line number four. Good morning, Jonathan, you're on the air.

Speaker 10 (01:11:11):
Hi, Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 13 (01:11:13):
Forgive me, I'm a little bit I'm a little bit
nervous to talk about this if I almost hung up
the phone before you go here.

Speaker 10 (01:11:20):
But I'm here to talk about private care.

Speaker 13 (01:11:24):
Homes and assisted living facilities within this city and within
the province.

Speaker 10 (01:11:32):
I have had some experience.

Speaker 13 (01:11:35):
With this over the past couple of years. I'm not
going to name any names, so don't worry about that.
But I am I am sort of at the end
of my rope here with what I've witnessed and what
I've seen and the treatment of not only the people
that work there, many of whom come from other places
within the world, but the people that reside there. So

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my family members wound up in a private care home
because one of my family members had severe Alzheimer's or
have severe Alzheimer's, and the other family member was caring
for that person. After a while, the person that was
caring for the family member with severe Alzheimer's wound up

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having a massive stroke and was unable to do that,
And so we had to move both of those people
into a care home because there just wasn't enough care
to facilitate them being at home, and the care provider
who had the stroke was just unable to do anything
or nonverbal. So we moved them into a place and

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the only way we could get them together as a
couple was to move them into private care, and so
that's what we did.

Speaker 10 (01:12:48):
And that's how we landed there.

Speaker 13 (01:12:50):
Since that time, I have seen things that have just
shocked me.

Speaker 10 (01:12:56):
And I know that there are people out there that are.

Speaker 13 (01:12:59):
Listening right now who have had this experience, who have
family members in private here, and they are not shopped
because they have seen how some of these facilities, not
all maybe, but some of these facilities operate, and how
residents are being.

Speaker 10 (01:13:20):
Treated in those facilities.

Speaker 13 (01:13:23):
And I'll give you a couple of broad examples without
naming any names or anything identifiable.

Speaker 10 (01:13:32):
Recently, the home that.

Speaker 13 (01:13:35):
I am familiar with, which houses well over one hundred people,
has cut down their nursing staff to one.

Speaker 10 (01:13:43):
So you have.

Speaker 13 (01:13:47):
A building, a private care home with over one hundred
rooms and one nurse for the entire building on staff
at all times. That is not good enough. There are
floors within that building that house incredibly vulnerable people with
dementia and.

Speaker 10 (01:14:09):
A mixture and myriad of other.

Speaker 13 (01:14:15):
Disabilities and illnesses and ailments throughout. And you know, some
people at home might be thinking, well, it's a private
care home. You know, it's a private business. What business
does the government providing oversight? Why would they provide oversight
within a private care home. Well, many people don't realize this,

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but the government does offer subsidies for private care homes.
For individuals making less than one hundred Couples making less
than one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year can
avail of a subsidy to offset the cost of a
private care home. So the government is in fact putting
money in the pockets of the owners of private care homes,

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but they have no direct oversight into what's going on
outside of maybe you can check the kitchen.

Speaker 12 (01:15:05):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:15:06):
I wrote the senior's advocate recently and they basically wrote
me back and said, there's nothing they can do. They
have no oversight over it. Contact this person at this number.
People are paying a lot of money, right, and money
is one thing you know, but the care they're receiving

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is inadequate. It's in some case neglectful and negligent. And
the things that I've seen with my own two eyes,
the stories I've heard from many, many, many people, it
terrifies me. And you know, we've just had an election

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where every single politician on the face of God's greener
stood up and said, seniors are important. People care about seniors. Well,
you know what like it. What's being done now is
disgraceful and it needs to change immediately. There needs to
be oversight within these buildings to see what's going on,

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because these people will cut costs, find efficiencies to gain.

Speaker 10 (01:16:16):
Profit and fill their pockets. And it's unacceptable.

Speaker 13 (01:16:24):
It's horrible for the people going through it within those homes,
and it's just terrible for family members because you just
can't trust that they're getting the care that they need.

Speaker 10 (01:16:37):
You know, my relative is in.

Speaker 13 (01:16:39):
That building, because that relative cannot.

Speaker 10 (01:16:42):
Send for themselves, right, It's impossible.

Speaker 13 (01:16:46):
And yet time and time and time again, I'm learning
new things. Things are happening all for the sake of
profit or neglect, and there is absolutely nobody, nobody that
can step in and say, hey, this is wrong. This
seems to change and I just have come to my

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with end and I want people to talk about this
because it needs to be talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
And I'm glad you're doing it, and we should all
be doing it. Government cannot shirk its responsibility here. They
can't just wash their hands but saying that it's a
private company. No, there's public dollars as part of it.
And just put it this way. It's just in the
recent past we came up with operational standards at the
emergency shelters. I mean for Saturdays. We are on the
wrong path with this kind of stuff and this is

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a betrayal of government's responsibility. So you're right, and I'll
echo exactly what you said here. There is one hundred
percent the authority inside the provincial government for any money's
attached to have strict parameters associated with them, but unfortunately
we do not.

Speaker 13 (01:17:53):
And you know what, there's strict parameters around the most
mundane things you can name in government looking at money
and all kinds of angles in all different places, but
the one place where lives are actually you know, on
the line, like people you know, I don't know. I'm
not going to speculate but I, you know, there have

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been there have been bad things happen to people because
of this, right, and that's a guess. I don't have
the data, the statistics. I know my own personal stories,
and I you know that confirms it. But I just
I do not understand why this is allowed to continue.
There are enough people with enough stories that I've heard

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that are you know, worse than mine in some cases,
And every time I bring it up to the people
that run these businesses, there's ah, yes, we're going to
fix it, We're going to fix it. And of course
there's no reason for them to fix it. You know,
there's nobody saying fix it other than the person that's
you know, that's that's asking for it.

Speaker 10 (01:18:56):
Right, There's no there's no regular there's no they can
just do. They just act with impunity, and that's not right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Absolutely not, Jonathan. You said you were nervous, but you
hit it out of the park and I really appreciate
you doing it. Anything else you'd like to say this morning, Yes, I'd.

Speaker 10 (01:19:13):
Like to hear from governments.

Speaker 13 (01:19:14):
I'd like somebody to call in and say, hey, we
weren't aware of this, or hey we were aware of this,
Like what are you going to do?

Speaker 10 (01:19:21):
That's what I want to know. You got the job. Congratulations.

Speaker 13 (01:19:25):
This is part of the change that everybody's talking about, right,
Make that change happen, and make it happen now.

Speaker 10 (01:19:32):
It's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Good I and Jonathan appreciate your time. Thanks for doing it.
Thank you, Patty, my pleasure. Bye bye, there you go.
I mean, we know better. It's the inaction that I
think drives people around the bend, and even in the
world of Emerency shelters, we're the outlier here. I'm not
trying to take away from what Jonathan I would say, because

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it was critically important, But we're just do things in
a bit of a backwards approach sometimes. You know, if
there's going to be one iota of public money in
these types of supports into the hands of the private sector,
then of course there's got to be rules and parameters
and oversight and regulations and monitoring. But there's not. Let's

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see here, let's get a break in when we come back,
tons of time left for you. Don't go away, Welcome
back to the show. Let's go to line number two.
Kimberley around the air.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Hello are there?

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
How are you okay? How about you.

Speaker 14 (01:20:32):
Oh, I'm okay. I'm calling in this morning about the
improper disposal of needles and drug paraphernalia. I took a
walk yesterday evening to the store with my grandkids, and anyway,
there was garbage pegs brought in there. I was told

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that there was a guy brought these two garbage pegs
into our community.

Speaker 9 (01:20:59):
It's a little way. It's a little.

Speaker 14 (01:21:01):
Trail that goes runs down behind their houses, I mean
a new fili lebrary housing And anyways, I have educated
my grandkids, they're only four and five years old. I
have educated them on the dangers of needles on the ground,
crack pipes on the ground, things like this. And anyways,

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walked and stumbled up on these two garbage fags and Paddy,
there's nodding in them. Only there's garbage, and there there's needles,
there's crackpipes. And apparently the guy brought them into the community.
He opened them up and he was taking needles out
of it. He was taking crackplipes out of it for
he's own use, I would imagine, But I mean, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
So are you saying that for so long? Kimberly Are
you saying that somebody came into your neighborhood from outside
your neighborhood with a garbage pack full of crackpipes and needles.

Speaker 14 (01:21:52):
Yes, sir, that's what I was told. I was told
by someone who witnessed it, and apparently they made a
call to the city because of what was going on there.
There was a girl had a conversation with him, and
she basically threatened him and told him, don't come in
our community and do this. And he had like all

(01:22:12):
of this green stuff running out of his nose apparently,
and he was just yeah, he was just messed up.

Speaker 10 (01:22:17):
Guy.

Speaker 14 (01:22:20):
I mean, it'screetly and I would have contacted authorities. I
wouldn't allow somebody like that to come into my neighborhood
and disrupt my neighborhood like that. Like, our neighborhood gets
a bad name and it shouldn't. And it's because of
people coming into our neighborhood. They're dropping needles, they're dropping
crack pipes, they're doing it all. And there's very very

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few houses in my neighborhood that are involved with drugs
of this nature. There's probably a lot of people smoke weed,
but other neck like I mean where I live, Patty,
it's a beautiful little spot, and people put it down
on skeeeks in the streets. They get online, they go

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anonymously and they say all these things about our neighborhood,
and you know what, most of it is not even true.
And if I were to say we're my neighborhood with
two people that are listening, would say, oh, no, that's
a hard area, that's a bad area, that this was
a bad area. Apparently the police wouldn't come in here

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in the seventies and eighties, and now the police presence
here is wonderful. I can look out my window and
I can see a cop card going up the road,
down the road. I can see him over parked in
the in the community center a lot over there, just
you know, keeping an eye on things. And it's great now.
I did see two police officers down in the area

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where these neighbors were disposed of. So I don't know
if somebody called the police yesterday evening and said, hey, like,
we got to get this removed. But I did contact
new Fromlanta out of our housing and I am to
send out somebody in health and safety and probably have
this removed, like I mean, they're probably going to have
to come in with soup sum. It's really disgusting, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Do you feel like telling us what neighborhood They just
want to leave that out, which is fine.

Speaker 8 (01:24:16):
I will.

Speaker 14 (01:24:17):
I can tell you what neighborhood I'm in.

Speaker 11 (01:24:19):
I'm in buck Master Circle, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Buck Master Circle has been revitalized great deals since when
I was a kid.

Speaker 14 (01:24:25):
Is a lovely place.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 14 (01:24:30):
Are housing my grandkids in care. And my grandkids are
in care for the same reason, Patty, It's because of
drug addictions. So, like I mean, I have no time
for this stuff going on. I like the nice, clean,
healthy neighborhood. My daughter comes in here with her son,
and I like to see her able to go down

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to the park.

Speaker 9 (01:24:51):
I like to go to the park, take.

Speaker 14 (01:24:53):
My grandkids down to the park. And they're so aware
of everything. And they're only four and five years old,
and they know what a needle looks like, they know
what a crack the light looks like. Don't touch it, yeah, honey, yeah,
but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
No, I agree, And look, let's get this out of
the way. You can indeed see more of this type
of intravenous drug use and discarding needles in some impoverished neighborhoods.
But let's be honest, there are plenty of spots in
this province and in this city in particular, where you
can see needles discarded in places that are middle class,

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upper middle class neighborhoods. So let's just not pretend this
is just a poverty issue, because it's not anywhere and everywhere.

Speaker 14 (01:25:39):
I'm after saying, like, I don't have a carry right now.
I go on the bus, so I go into different
places and I see it, and I'm like, my god,
this is sad. But what was done down here yesterday
evening that was like young cold firm.

Speaker 8 (01:25:54):
That was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Yeah, another didn't know. I wouldn't motivate somebody to bring
a garbage bag worth or whatever to someone else's neighborhood
when there's on the way there probably a garbage can
that he could put the bag in.

Speaker 7 (01:26:08):
Yeah, it would be where did he get it?

Speaker 14 (01:26:13):
Where did he find it?

Speaker 7 (01:26:15):
Where did he get it?

Speaker 14 (01:26:15):
Where did it come from? Did it come from down
on Action Road somewhere? Did it come from downtown Rickets
Road somewhere?

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Anywell?

Speaker 8 (01:26:23):
Road?

Speaker 14 (01:26:23):
Like it comes from a drug house obviously, because that's
there's a lot of needle and I find them up
through with a stick to see if I could find
some papers with an address or something, and I couldn't
sign on you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Yeah, and best idea is just get the city to
come collected before a child or a dog or whoever
or whatever the case we beat, Okay, Like.

Speaker 14 (01:26:46):
I mean, I saw at least eight kids that play
out in the back area of where I found it,
and they ride their bikes and they go down there
pretty fast on their bikes. So if they're riding down
their fast and they don't see it, they're going to
skid into it, fall into it.

Speaker 11 (01:26:59):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
And I've made presidents.

Speaker 14 (01:27:04):
Up here aware of it, like you know, watch your grandkids,
watch your kids.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
I appreciate and let us know about it. Kimberly, thanks
a lot, got a problem. Thanks for your time, my pleasure.
Bye bye. And you know you hear these stories that
I mean, we've had tom on from the hub where
for some reason, people think that the front or the
side of the hub is a spot to discard garbage
and including needles and crack pipes and all the rest

(01:27:30):
of it. Look, it's a big problem. People share pictures
of different pockets of the city where they're coming upon needles.
I mean I've encountered them, and not in places where
you think, well, that's a bad neighborhood. It's not that
long ago. Going around Kent's Pond, which is in the
middle of pretty good neighborhood, and there was right there
on the ground five or six needles, And I wasn't

(01:27:51):
going to call the city to get rid of them
because it's a pretty active walking path up there, So
I just use the end of my coat and picked
them up and flicked in the garbage. But man, oh man,
it's just absolutely everywhere, and we do know. Look, it's
painfully obvious that if you're in the throes of addiction
intervenous drug use, you're probably making some pretty terrible decisions, right,

(01:28:14):
including what you do once you're done with your needle.
It's remarkable stuff and it's scary too, because mean, how
often do people go in those areas just pick a
walking trail or pick an area. You go up there
with your dog might be well in front of you
on leash, or you go up there with your kids
who are a little bit excited to run around the
corner so then they get closer to see the ducks
and they find it, they encounter it, because not every

(01:28:36):
little kid is the wherewithal to be even told, okay,
this is dangerous. Don't touch that. You know what kids
are like. Anyway, How are you doing out there this morning?

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Day?

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Let's get her going one more time. The numbers if
you're in and around town seven zero nine two seven
three five two one one elsewhere total free long distance
one eight eight eight five ninety vosem which is eighty
six twenty six. We're taking a break in them. We're
coming back.

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Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to light number
one or all here on the ara.

Speaker 9 (01:29:20):
Hi, Patty, how are you not too?

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
I suppose you've.

Speaker 9 (01:29:23):
Been alarm what Paddy said, just spoke to you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Welcome back.

Speaker 9 (01:29:27):
I'm gonna be up problem with you. I got three
or four topices, but I'm not going to keep you lying. Okay, anyway,
one topic is a is a very topic that I'll
never understand. I went out to the hot food. I
had to wait nine hours to your two adavan. Now
in the meantime waiting on to nine hours or two adavan,

(01:29:48):
I had a bad, bad anxiety attack a meantime. I
had to tell them all about my childhood days. I
got great personal and everything right, and I was in
bad and another another one I like to talk about too.
I can relate to that girl was just on the
about the needles and that around the city and that

(01:30:09):
they're out up arly that tool or everywhere. You know,
you should be cleaned it all up. You don't get
riddle it all but this half the way and just
for two blocks because I don't get a catch, stands
on next month, every petty, Yeah, I can hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
So you had to go to emergency to simply get
two out of vans?

Speaker 9 (01:30:29):
Yes, because yeah, yeah I couldn't. It might happen. I'll
be honest with you. I was out west out nel
murder for twenty years. I had two bad home invasions.
I got it with a hammer. My brain is that
wage right and the only shaving grace is too out
of van but what I didn't have to say was
a miliating me as a kid. And I was crying
like a little four year old. And I don't know,

(01:30:50):
I'm just humiliated me. And then when I when and
you know, I got when you got diabetes, when you
got to go to the bar, You've got to go
right away? He said, hold on for two seconds, Patty,
Right okay? And so I said to that, because my friend,
lady friend, her birthday today, I said to her, I said,
I got to go to the batroom first. So long
I went, and I asked the doctor and to go

(01:31:11):
to the battery. He said, don't look at me. I'm
not there. I don't do no n So I asked security.
He said that the underneath Verdy said whatever, right, you
know what I mean? His bread like you living to
hear him. I please let me use the barton.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 9 (01:31:24):
How was humiliated? Humiliated Patty? And then you got about
ten or fifteen or fifty people looking at you. I
don't know, I don't know. I guess his new premium
and now he might do something about it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Well, I mean, that's an interesting way to put it,
and an interesting point. My question would be. Do we
really think that there are a bunch of stones left
to be overturned to try to figure out how to
improve the system, And if there are, let's do it. Look,
I don't care who the premier is or what party
is in power. If people have ideas to make things better,
I'm in completely, fully in, especially when it comes to

(01:32:02):
something like healthcare, because healthcare thankfully has not been a
political hot potato. I mean, it doesn't matter who you
voted for. At some point into the future you might
have to interact with the healthcare system. So you can
only hope there's no partisnership in healthcare, and nor should
there be. You know, we will indeed see some focus
on areas where the PCs may have had some electoral

(01:32:22):
success to try to improve the lot in life. Fair enough,
But I'd really like to know exactly what the plan is,
whether it be to reduce our alliance on travel nurses,
or to reopen a twenty four hour emergency room in Whipburn,
or to have more people working in the system in
whatever discipline. Like, I just don't know what the plan is.
If it's a plan that's going to work, hey count
me in.

Speaker 9 (01:32:42):
I'm all in and hey, I just wanted to take
about ten seconds of your time. I got COPD anxiety depression, guybes,
I got it. I was sick for old and thank
God as my preer, I'm up now getting around. So
we had these agency and then support workers to calm right.
We had one here for a whole month. And I

(01:33:03):
particularly told the girl when she first came in the
door that we smoked cigarettes. And the girls had a
cute a cute stroke. And you'll be talking, Patty, but
you talking about training. My god, I had to get
up and I had to do it on myself. But
you know what I'm saying. I had to do what
I had the help to girl myself.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
Girl.

Speaker 9 (01:33:20):
The girl that came in had no training at a
like she was thrown around in the bed stuff like that.
But you know what I mean. So not instead of
being gentle.

Speaker 11 (01:33:28):
Right, okay, all right, So.

Speaker 9 (01:33:31):
That's my other topic. And it was nice, you know, Patty.
But I'll tell you what now I'm there. I'm trying
to get a dresser or a bad app home home.
I've been trying three years.

Speaker 12 (01:33:44):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:33:45):
What's that home again?

Speaker 10 (01:33:46):
Is it?

Speaker 12 (01:33:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:33:49):
And I'll try I'll trye three years ago off the army.
I still haven't heard back from him. But that's the
bike man, Patty, Patty, have the bike man remember that guy? Yeah,
it'd never do.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Yeah, I do. I never spoke with them, but I
do remember, I know what you're talking about. We can
probably try to help you get a dresser.

Speaker 9 (01:34:07):
Be some nice fatty. You make my day. I waited
over years at you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
By well, no problem, happy to have you on. And
I'll make a couple of calls here this afternoon. See
if I can't put my hands on addresser and I
from when I do, I'll just call you back and
let you know.

Speaker 9 (01:34:21):
I love you, Thank you for any time.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Let me be on the radio, my pleasure. Take care,
bye bye, Okay, Yeah, I mean there's stuff like that. Look,
you know, organizations like the home again, the furniture bank.
There pretty important stuff, pretty important complement to the community.
And I mean I'll make a couple of calls. I'm
pretty sure I can find addresser here this afternoon. But
if you got one and you'd like to find a
home for it, then you know where we can deliver

(01:34:46):
it or get it delivered. I don't have a truck
anymore so I'll have to sort that out. All Just
check in on the Twitter box. We're a vocim open line.
You know what to do. Follow us. There a couple
of concerned emailers regarding things about penning legislation that we
don't really know a whole whole lot about. So we're
just kind of planting the seed here this morning, whether
it be about some legislation associated with criminal justice. You know,

(01:35:10):
there will be the tough on crime commentary that we hear,
and I get where that's coming from. The public safety
feels compromised. People don't feel as safe as they used to.
And all I said about it is that the devil
be in the details. We could be told harsher sentences,
but for things like what and what does harsher mean?
And a reverse onasam bail, which is a good idea
which we already do here in this problem. Soe a

(01:35:32):
couple of things including domestic violence. And again one of
the questions being asked is whether or not it will
actually pass the smell test, because when it was tried
back in twenty eleven, when then Prime Minister Harper put
forward legislation that saw some pretty serious things being taken
on like consecutive sentences. Remember, for folks who committed more

(01:35:52):
than one murder, they were talking about making it parole
integety ineligibility for one hundred and fifty years. The sounds
of that, or at least some people do anyway. But
the question that was being asked and was asked at
that time is whether or not it would be deemed
to be inside the parameters of the Constitution. And the
Supreme Court of Canada at the time said no, They
said they would not be allowed to move forward with

(01:36:14):
that particular piece of legislation. So that's the only question
you can tell me hard sentence, isn't tough on crime
and or jail not bail, all those fair enough, but
actual detail. So then they can have a question or
a conversation about specifics and whether or not the legal community,
civil rights groups and otherwise, and the Supreme Court of Canada,

(01:36:36):
because that'll be where it gets its final adjudication. It
won't be in the House of Commons. It'll get one
step of it. But this eventually, if it goes down
a similar path to the Harper legislation in twenty eleven,
that's where it's going to end up. Same thing when
we talk about the board security border security legislation that's coming,
we don't really know what's going to be entail there.

(01:36:57):
On top of the one point three billion dollars spent
to hire more border patrol officers and drones and helicopters
and other things that we've already understood. And then I
make this crack and it gets some of the Trump
guys really uptight. Is look, sharing border responsibility has long
been part of it. But when, of course we've been

(01:37:19):
duped by this national security business regarding fentanyl coming from
Canada VERSUS Mexico or anywhere else. The prime concern, although
shared responsibility is a thing, no question, but the prime
concern and focus for Canadian border security will to protect
Canadians from things like guns and drugs and undocumented migrants

(01:37:39):
and what have you coming into the country. Same thing
will go for the Americans. Their prime responsibility would keep
the set of aforementioned issues out of their country. So
how all of a sudden this has led to what
is now this tariff based trade war. I just don't
know why we're all not collectively thinking that it's ridiculous,

(01:38:00):
just quite simply is now they're finding out the hard
way down South, that they're actually dropping the tariffs on
things that cannot be naturally grown, mined, or produced in
the United States makes sense, right, But now the big
question will be what's that going to mean into the
long term. Same thing with reciprocal tariffs that were put
forward by this country. Prices go up, and then we're

(01:38:20):
all going to pretend that prices come down. Look, how
real is that or the possibility or the potential for
a price to get rolled back. Just pick a couple
of crops, I don't know, coffee and bananas and avocados,
like we mentioned off the top of the program, when
there's a tariff place down them paid for by the
importer and passed along in for the most part to

(01:38:41):
the American consumer, up all the profits for these companies.
All of a sudden, we think that they're going to,
through some form of altruism, say that, okay, we're going
to roll the prices back down all the way to
reflect the removal of a tariff by it to be
the first time anyway, Just check it out on Twitter.
You know what to do. We're vocim open line he
email addresses openinafilm dot com. Our favors when you join

(01:39:02):
us live on the program, you'll get the opportunity during
this break, don't go away, welcome back to the show.
Just in relation to a very important, albeit traumatic email
that I just read. And I get these questions every
now and then, and these come from victims or better said,
survivors of the evil that was perpetrated on them at Mountcashele,
is when can they anticipate the next wave of money?

(01:39:25):
I have no idea. Number one. In addition to that,
and of course, I don't think that anybody begrudges compensation
to those who were the survivors of the violence, sexual
and otherwise at Mountcashell. But I think we're also going
to have to broach the question about how that pot
of money is going to be further fueled when all
the properties belong to the Roman Catholic Episcopal Corporation were

(01:39:48):
sold out, churches and parash halls and land and otherwise.
Is they raised I'm just kidding. Use route numbers because
the come er the exact number right now, but some
are around fifty million dollars. The that's going to be
the total compensation paid is around one hundred and forty
million dollars or one hundred and ten million dollars maybe,
so we're well away from it. So begs the question.

(01:40:10):
If the Roman Catholic Episcopal Corporation is now financially insolvent,
then where's the rest of the money come from. You
would imagine it comes from the provincial government. I haven't
heard anybody, whether it be the past Liberal government, who
I guess are still the government until there's a swearing
in of the new incoming PC government. Haven't heard them
mention it, Nor do I think it was discussed in

(01:40:32):
any form of fashion on the campaign trail. But it's
an important question to ask, like when and who's going
to pay that bill? I don't know if there's another
entity out there other than the province. We did hear
that there was some possibility that insurance could cover some
of the gap, but doesn't look like that's going to
be the case either. So I say to these emailers

(01:40:53):
when they write me that I don't know, but I'll
bring it up to see if we can't get some
conversation going about So I do think it's going to
be you know, the problems the taxpayers that are going
to pay that money. I have no real problem with
that but I think it's something we deserve an answer
to as to how that's going to work, That's all.

(01:41:14):
And then man, oh man, do we ever get peppered
when there's anything to do with the pending referendum regarding
the oper Churchill Andngal Island and the transmission associated with
I don't know how and why any of these questions
are a problem. The number one question is why are
we actually asking people? Which I think is an important
note when we go to a referendum because you'll be

(01:41:36):
voting on a question. And secondly, are we saying that
now with an incoming government, that we're just simply going
to stop negotiating on the pathway to potential definitive agreements contracts?
Or will the referendum be after there's the independent review
so that there's more maybe information to discern and digest.

(01:41:57):
Will it be when the contracts are back in hand
and the possibility for pend to meet paper and to
move forward formal agreements. I don't know. But I'm also
completely on shore as to why they're not fair questions.
I don't even know why there wasn't more in those
formal questions during the campaign itself, because look, the concept

(01:42:17):
of independent review. I don't know if there's anybody out there,
I mean, folks who really desperately want to get the
see this get done. They might be saying, well, the
review is going to take so much time, that will
get through April and d D. Look, I don't know
what the chances are of Hydro Quebec or the Province
of Quebec walking away if there's not a timeline or
deadline hit in April, which we'll see benefits retroactive to

(01:42:40):
the first of January of this year. I don't know
what their intentions would be on that front. But what
we do know, just based on everything that you see
reading here is the coalition to avon Air Lego's government.
They're done, they're cooked. Their poll numbers are unbelievably low,
and you know me, I only take the polls with
a grain of salt. But when they're as law as

(01:43:01):
they are, I mean they're single digits. There's no coming
back from single digits, right, and that's even after the
announcement which has been portrayed as very good news in
the Province of Quebec by Lego, Sabia and others. So
they're gone. The black cke Bequah have been ripping this
deal too shreds, saying it's terrible for Quebec, terrible for
hydro Quebec. So what's the likelihood of them being even

(01:43:23):
a willing dance partner after this next order of business
takes place on whatever timelines. We simply do not know.
And I'm not suggesting that any of that's good or bad.
I think it's just kind of factual. Is Lago's government
out really does mean that there's going to be right
back to the drawing board. By the sounds of it.
Don't take it for me to take it from the
Black Quebecqua themselves. They've said pretty much exactly that they

(01:43:46):
have zero interests in this particular MoU, zero interests and
negotiations based on the contents of the MoU. And again
we really do indeed, look, we have to be very
very mindful and careful and take our times, as people
have rightfully pointed to, because there's just too much on

(01:44:06):
the line here. It has decades long impact as we
all understand. But I really do think now that we've
got election results in the rear view mirror, let's get
down of the brass tax and have a better understanding
exactly what we're talking about, exactly what the path looks like.
For some people, it's you know, let's just stop negotiating, period.
There's plenty people out there listening simply want to torn up,

(01:44:27):
no doubt about it. I mean, I hear it all
the time, which is one of the reasons why I
think a referendum at this stage asking who knows what
of who knows who is probably not the best spend
of time or money, because just think about it. The
conversations that you have and I have, the social media
threads that we see is there is a built in

(01:44:50):
distrust of Quebec. There just is. We all know it,
and it's very prevalent. So what's the likelihood if you
don't trust the Becker's, which they do not deserve to
be trusted at this moment, given what's happened since nineteen
sixty nine to today at the Upper Churchill There's a
reason why people feel that way. And if and when

(01:45:10):
that's the case, and it is, what's the likelihood of
anyone who doesn't trust Gobec to vote yes on whatever
it is, whatever the question might be. I think it's
the same thing when we talk about the politics of it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
Mister Wakem, to his credit, has said he's going to
try to take this conversation out of the political arena,
which might be some cock eyed optimism, because it is
firmly entrenched in the political arena for obvious reasons. We
just had the then party in power. The Liberals make
it a lynchpin in their party platform in the most
recent elections. So how do you get politics out of

(01:45:43):
this is anybody's guests. I don't know how that gets achieved,
but he's going to try to do it, and I
guess it'd be nice in the future, you know, once
the government has sworn in and once we have a
cabinet to consider and all the issues surrounding it, and
then maybe some more detailed plans to follow through with
some of the pledges made on the campaign trail. It'd
be great to have Premier design Wakem on the program

(01:46:05):
to dig into some of this stuff. And you know,
I get told fairly often is that we have to
give them time. Look, we have to give them time
to be able to achieve or to execute some of
the plants. Of course we do, because if it was
as simple as flip and a switch and all of
a sudden, healthcare is fixed in full. If it was
as easy as flipping a switch, and seventy five percent

(01:46:26):
of the top side's work abut in order was being
done wherever in this province, then it would be done.
But these are complicated matters. So to that end, you
talk about giving people a chance. I agree with that,
but that doesn't mean that at the starting point there
isn't enough in the way of details that have been
further fleshed out so that we can have a basic
understanding of exactly what we're doing, exactly the roadmap to

(01:46:48):
get there, because that's kind of lost in the headlines
of campaigning. It's a promise with very little detail. And
this is not about Tony Wakem or the pieces. This
is about every politician and every party. They all behave
in very similar fashion when campaigning. But so time to
actually achieve I understand, and I agree you're right, but

(01:47:09):
time to come forward with a little bit more meat
on the bone. I don't think we have time under
in a variety of fronts. So that's all I would
be asking. I think you know, most would be asking
the exact same question. You know, in addition, to where's
all the money coming from? All right? If ial checking
out on the Twitter for the newscast where vosimil the
line follow us there. Email addresses open on avosm dot

(01:47:29):
com this morning. I know people are catching their breath
after what's been a very weird, long political year of
twenty twenty five and three elections, what have you. But
just that general reminder it needn't be directly political conversations
that we can have on this program. We can talk
about whatever you like, like the conversation last week that
got the most traction and feedback just in my email inbox.

(01:47:50):
What the feed is, squirrel? So I think that paints
the picture very clearly that we can talk about whatever
you like, and let's do it right after the news.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
Don't go away the Tim Power Show showing the common
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Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Welcome back. Let's go to line number two. Paul.

Speaker 15 (01:48:06):
You're on the air, though, James, the subject on you today.
I'm sure you heard last week the death of Ace
Freely from kiss Yeah. I don't know if you mentioned
any preamble at all since last week. I know it's
not top news maybe for newfa Land. But that's one
of the guys I grew up with, Penny Ace, Freely, Kissed,
the Blondies, the meat Lows, the Bruce Springsteen's Can I

(01:48:29):
just get your take on that petty.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
On the take off he's passing? Yeah, Well, I mean
I was a Kiss fan. I've seen Kisses a couple
of times, saw him in costume and Hamilton one time
before they started to play without costume. Saw them at
the Salmon Festival as well when they were back in
their full of regalia. I actually watched some of that
concert side stage with Shannon Tweet. She invited me because
we had her on Nightline that week before the concert

(01:48:52):
out and pow. Yeah, so that was pretty cool. Yeah,
I mean Freely whether be Freeley's comments was one of
his standalone bands outside of Kiss because he left the group.
I think he was the original lead in seventy three,
left in eighty two, did a couple things on his own.
He eventually rejoined the band, but he had a pretty
interesting quality. He certainly epitomized the spaceman as he came

(01:49:13):
to playing lead for a band like this. So yeah,
sad news. I think he was only like seventy four.

Speaker 15 (01:49:17):
Right, seventy four, Yeah, X and his head or something.
He fell down or something. Yeah, but yeah, he left
the group back in eighty eighty one he started his
own band, East Freely. In the comments, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
But he had he had.

Speaker 15 (01:49:31):
They had a falling out, Patty, But that's with these
groups like that. I mean, it's not uncommon. And Peter
Chris the same way. I've heard negativity about East Freely
from Jean and Paul over the years, bad things, you know.
But like I said, they got back together in ninety
six for about four years and then he dismantled again.
But they were supposed to have a final concert there

(01:49:52):
months ago and he refused to do it at that time.
And that's too bad.

Speaker 11 (01:49:56):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:49:57):
I know they're already inducted into the Hall of Fame.
I know they all show up for that. I saw
that episode. But yeah, that's too bad. Well, like you say,
I mean, age is the thing, Patty. I mean, he
wasn't young. He was seventy four. But other than that,
I think it was in pretty good health, you know.
And like I say, you don't know what they expect
from day to day on the news. And now I
heard lately, Dolly Partner wasn't too well either. Did you

(01:50:19):
hearing about that, Patty?

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
I have not heard anything about that, to be honest.

Speaker 15 (01:50:22):
It was on YouTube. So whether or not that's true
or not, you don't know what to take on YouTube, right.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
Oh, Dave Williams just whispered in my hear that. Dotty
Parton's sister said that she's okay, which is good news.

Speaker 15 (01:50:31):
She's oh okay. I was half afraid she's on a
dit because you listen to YouTube, Patty, and you don't
know what to believe. Well, there's one thing comes on
there every day and it'll say celebrities who died today,
and there are a couple of last month or so
I said, Look, Michael J. Fox passed away and it
wasn't true at all. Yeah, how did he even allow

(01:50:52):
to allow that on YouTube? Mostly somebody can take that off.
I guess I can't figure that you want anything voice
to anyone you're watching YouTube. Take it with a grain
of salt.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
Yeah, it's you. Look, it's becoming a lot more difficult
to find out exactly what is real and something that
is absolutely demonstrably false. So anyway, Yeah, I'm really struggling
with it at this point.

Speaker 15 (01:51:18):
Yeah, like what happened to Easter last week. I had
the double check just to be sure, you know what,
you don't know what to think, but I just thought
i'd bring it up this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
Patty.

Speaker 15 (01:51:26):
It's a sad, sad news. But but they goes on.
Like I said, that's the people I grew up with,
the Kisses and the meat loafs and the blondies of
the world, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
Getting Yeah, I listened to us too. Uh, this is
apropos of nothing. But when living in Alberta, some of
my new buddies that I met out there, they were
huge Kiss fans and they stuck me with the nickname
that has stuck pretty solid since then. Strutter a great
kiss tune. Anyway, very good, thanks a lot, appreciate your time, Paul,

(01:52:00):
all the best, Bye bye. Yeah, that was pretty great.
Greg Smith was producing Nightline with me. We had Shannon
tweed on, of course from this province and married to
Gene Simmons, talking about her career. But then of course
the fact that Kiss was coming was also cool, and
she invited me to come backstage meet the band, and
I watched a bit of Kiss perform side stage with
Shannon Tweed what pretty well stuff and talk about you know,

(01:52:23):
whether or not it's true that someone is either an
ill health or has passed away. You go back to
Mark Twain, So what was it? Teddy said? The reports
of the report of my death was an exaggeration which
people have used. Widen fire since we've heard mention of
the nso here already. This morning, we speaking with Maria
Conkey with the Cathedral Basilica Foundation. You know, things like

(01:52:44):
the NSL performing at the Basilica. Not sure what we're
going to talk about right now, but we're going to
speak with the NSL marketing and development manager online Number one,
that's Maria Penny. Good morning, Maria, you're on the air.

Speaker 16 (01:52:54):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
How are you great today? How about you?

Speaker 16 (01:52:57):
I'm great, Thank you. I'm calling in today to chat
to So there are two really fun Halloween concerts we
have coming up at the Arts and Culture Center this weekend.

Speaker 17 (01:53:05):
Let's go excellent.

Speaker 16 (01:53:07):
So the first one is on Friday evening at seven thirty.
That's at the Arts and Culture here in Saint John's.
It's called Silver Screens. So we're going to be playing
all of your favorite Halloween horror music all the classics,
think the Shining Halloween, Beetlejuice, Scream, anything you can think of.
It's definitely going to be played at our concert. And
then we have a really special concert on Saturday, October

(01:53:29):
twenty fifth. It's a matinee. It's one of the first
ones we've done in a while, so this is going
to be for all the kids out there at three
pm at the Arts and Culture Center and we're partnering
with Best Kind Productions for the Paranormal Popcorn Patrol. It's
a matinee adventure for audiences of all ages. Tickets are
just fifteen dollars for that concert, and we're going to
be doing music from the name Or Before Christmas and

(01:53:50):
Jaws and the Best Kind Productions has created a whole
a play eat amongst all the concert music that the
orchestra be presenting. And before the concert on the upper concourse,
we're going to have a little Halloween party, so there's
could be a costume contest. Rocketeer Treats is coming and
our friends from Sci Fi on the Rock have some

(01:54:11):
spooky visitors for photos.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
It's always fun to do some theme related action. But
of course, when you talk about a mattin a. Most
music associated with Halloween is spooky and scary and stuff.
So what can the kids expect in so far as
the fun head held by little goblins and ghouls over
the Halloween.

Speaker 16 (01:54:31):
Oh, there's gonna be lots of fun at the popcorn patrol.
So all the kids from Best Kind Productions have a
great little storyline. They're traveling to the movie plex to
use the power of music to rid the arts and
culture center of the haunted, haunted ghosts that are happening.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
It's interesting you mentioned Jaws because it's probably one of
the more haunting soundtracks, necessarily with the dunt dun dun't
dun't dunt anyway, that's where he meant nothing either. So
are we taking tunes directly from some of the Halloween
classics like Seane or an almostraet or stuff. Is that
what people can anticipate?

Speaker 16 (01:55:07):
Yes, you can hear all the theme music literally you
think of it, the Adams Family, data at NAM anything
you can think of these classics that they're going to
be perform by the orchestra. So really bringing your favorite
Halloween movie music to life.

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
Are members of the orchestra are going to be donning
costumes for the performance.

Speaker 16 (01:55:25):
Of course they are. They get excited every year and
there's always a competition in amongst the orchestra, who's got
the best costume?

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
A quick question about the orchestra itself. So we know
long time conductor Mark that Vid has left. New conductor
came in, Martin McDonald. Just a quick reflection on Mark
de VID's contribution to the NSO and then what it
looks like under the new leadership of mister McDonald.

Speaker 16 (01:55:50):
Yeah, so Mark Devid has left a wonderful legacy. We
spent all the last years celebrating his over thirty years
with the orchestra. This year we welcomed Simon Rivard who
is our music director, along with Martin McDonald who's our
principal pops conductor, and these two have worked together from
the legacy that Mark has built and we're really powering

(01:56:11):
forward into a new kind of season of music.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
This is a bit of a mercurial question, but you know,
people might view the conductor if they're just you know,
casual fans of this type of symphonic orchestra or music,
but the conductor is not just the culture the manager
and or the conductor for live performances and for rehearsals.
But there's a lot to what goes on about David

(01:56:36):
represents insofar as talent being part of the nso to
stick with it long term, what have you. So it's
a bit bigger than simply having the wand in hand
when people go to the Acts and Culture Center.

Speaker 16 (01:56:46):
You're absolutely right, Patty. The music director and the conductor,
they really curate what everyone's listening to. They put so
much thought and care in behind all the pieces that
are selected and curate the experience for the org. Christ
They're mentoring people. They're really part of our community. They're
out at our schools chatting with all the children. The

(01:57:07):
things they do, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
Yeah, good friend of Mine is first trumpet. Okay, give
the details one more time, the where the whens? What
people need to do to secure a ticket for these
upcoming Halloween related concerts.

Speaker 16 (01:57:18):
All right, So we have on Friday October twenty fourth
at seven thirty pm at the Arts and Culture Center
that is our Halloween horror music called Silver Screens, and
then are matinee at three pm on Saturday, October twenty
fifth at the Arts and Culture Center that's for the
fifteen dollars. Really family oriented kids show and tickets are

(01:57:39):
both available at the Arts and Culture Center Box office,
so online, in person, over the phone, Arts and Culture
Center Box Office.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
Appreciate your time.

Speaker 16 (01:57:46):
Break leg Thank you so much, Patty, Bye bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
Maria Pennies, the marketing and development manager with the Newfoundland
Symphony or Orestra. Okay, let's get our find a break
in the morning when we come back. Still plenty of
time for you. Don't go away, Welcome back to the show.
Interesting question posed by emailer once again. Generally some pretty
good stuff in there, he says, Hi, Patty, Hello, can
you fill me in on what I'm missing regards to
the continuous comments they hear about our distrust with the Quebec.

(01:58:12):
It's a good question. Now, some of it might be perceived,
some of it might be legit, some of it might
absolutely be exaggerated. But I think it's fair to say
that right across the country there are questions about the
province of Quebec, you know, as a distinct society, being
Francophone Quebecers, what have you. And it's not just about
nineteen sixty nine and the Upper Churchill in this province.

(01:58:34):
I don't think I mean things like the continuous and
ongoing threats of separation. I think that's set in an
uneasy position with many people in the country, even though
it looks like we're going to entertain that conversation the
province of Alberta and we can talk about that because
man oh man. But it's also things like equalization, and

(01:58:55):
people do right across the country think that Quebec gets
treated in a positive unfairly when compared to the rest
of the country with the is spread out of equalization payments.
They're not wrong, you know, equalization absolutely needs to be
addressed now the formerly used and people like to blame
one party or another about equalization, but the equalization formula

(01:59:16):
that's in place now has been in place for quite
a long time, which is why when you like, for instance,
when Jason Kenny was the Premier of Alberta, it was
so disingenuous and hypocritical for him to be latching ont
of that because he was one of the senior cabinet
ministers in the Harper government when this exact equalization formula
was created and adopted and implemented. And then the Liberals,

(01:59:36):
of course, Robert Stampton I think I'm right in saying
there is court challenges now to equalization. This promise was
one of the instigators of it. A couple of others
I've signed on, but the status of that is I
have no idea, but I think there's a variety of
reasons why Quebec becomes part of that type of conversation separation, threats, equalization,
the Upper Churchill, the whole distinct society, some of the

(01:59:59):
games that they play legally and otherwise regarding language. Then
you add into another specific regarding this province is a continuous, pathetic,
ridiculous approach that they take to the Labrador border, which
can manifest itself into well, some people worry, can be
a resource grab because they don't recognize the border. I mean,

(02:00:21):
they don't even have it appropriately lined up or lined
out inside their own curriculum in schools and other government documents.
They continue to put forward even though we know this
has been settled many, many, many times, and maybe for
some people's emotional reaction, maybe that should be part of
this contract too, is to finally acknowledge what was done

(02:00:42):
in nineteen twenty seven at the Privy Council level, what
was once again reiterated in nineteen eighty two when we
drafted and adopted the constitution. The charter is maybe that
could be part of this conversation, because I think there's
a variety of reasons why Quebec gets tossed into that
type of discussion. Let's see, here's God of line number one,
Gerald around the air morning, Patty. I think this is

(02:01:03):
the m o U.

Speaker 17 (02:01:04):
Yeah, I think that's dead in the water.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
Might be right.

Speaker 17 (02:01:09):
Yeah, you covered it there about the election of Quebec,
and to me has seemed if it makes this thing move,
it's gone. And frankly, I would I think we'd be
well advised for us US fellows here descantly put this aside,

(02:01:29):
this m ou business. It's it's not these these deals
aren't going anywhere. Time works in our favor. As we
go down the road towards that the Churchy or Files agreement,
I think we should concentrate on the troubles we have
now with the president, and there are lots of economic
troubles of fresh magnitude.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
Anyway, Just yeah, that the time issue is real. I
suppose there's no sense of pretending it's not. But you know,
it is also interesting to me that we spent decades
and copious amounts of millions of dollars to challenge the
nineteen sixty nine contract in the courts. I had one
of the features of oh go ahead, right, sorry, no,

(02:02:12):
you can finish your stock ahead.

Speaker 17 (02:02:16):
When that project was undertaken at that time, as I said,
I said, I think, I said to you, if Quebec
took an enormous risk by putting their eggs in another province,
and thereby they were very prudent and diligent, knowing the
risks that they could encounter, they sold up. They crossed

(02:02:37):
every tea and dotted every eye in that contract. That
contract is bulletproof our taking it. I remember when we
were taking it. Of course, I remember saying to myself,
what I waste the time and money? That they were
prudent and they did diligence there, Well, that's not going.

Speaker 2 (02:02:57):
Anywhere, and there's probably another reason in.

Speaker 17 (02:03:00):
The towns and so on. And as a matter of fact, Patty,
when that was just for your interest, when that at
that time, you could buy buy fuel oil here in
this problem for seventeen cents a gallon, when at that
that was the economics at the time oil was pretty

(02:03:21):
well free, so give you a ideither price you.

Speaker 2 (02:03:24):
Know, which is part of the reason why there wasn't
that foresight as to what might happen with energy prices,
which of course exploded since nineteen.

Speaker 17 (02:03:35):
If I didn't interrupt you pardon me, had that deal
and set out and they locked. They locked into the
the explosion and oil prices. So the asset they had,
they had the fifty years or whatever it was, sixty
year option on probably went up in value ten times.

(02:03:57):
It's if something didn't deal or didn't do. It was
presented to them and they took full advantage of it.
And for Quebec to take Quebec, we looked after Quebec's
interest and that's what they've done. They have They had
no reason to say, well, I don't trust Quebec because
they're not fear something. Trust has nothing to do with it.

(02:04:20):
This is pure economics. They have their problems. We have
our and we had something. We had something similar when
we we uh encountered oil off here and which we
have we have struck up bonanza and money gost In.
We didn't rush to share that when anyone else we

(02:04:40):
we we had the same uh good fortune to hit
hit hit oil and money gost into our government. By
the way, for all that money, commain, what what do
we have to show for it?

Speaker 11 (02:04:53):
Now?

Speaker 8 (02:04:54):
That's you.

Speaker 2 (02:04:55):
Yeah, we may be caught up on some infrastructure deficits
that the province has had, but yeah, we're talking some
what thirty odd billion dollars later here we are.

Speaker 17 (02:05:05):
Yeah, what what do you think is our biggest accomplishment
from us? You know what I mean? We we've got
a prison, that's that's a shame, and all of us.
We don't have a school for the deaf. Our roads
are in disrepair, and we can go on around after
all this money, I asked you, where did the money go?
I say, Patty, we have lots of problems on our right,

(02:05:28):
but we have to address right now. Most craft followed
what the other one, but ur not going anywhere. That's
an enormous asset that we have and probably probably if
we are fair people, the fruits, when the fruits of
that comes through, that should go to the people twenty
years time. But we've passed on an enormous amount of

(02:05:49):
debt to you know. That's my thoughts.

Speaker 2 (02:05:52):
Anyway, I'm glad you shared them. You've had the last word.
We're almost up against the clockier. Gerald yeh, appreciate your time,
thank you, good bye, goodbye.

Speaker 3 (02:06:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:06:00):
And that's one fast of the conversation that probably deserves
more discourse too. Is exactly what forty one means and
exactly what we think we can achieve if we just
punted this MoU and walked away from the negotiations and
simply waited, and what that might look like, not only
for the potential upside or benefit, but what it might

(02:06:22):
also bring in so far as risk into the future.
But we don't really know because we don't really talk
about it. I just checking out on the Twitter for
the final time of the morning or a VOSM upenline
follow us sir, email us open line at FEOSM dot com,
and we will indeed pick up this conversation again tomorrow
morning right here on VOCM and big Land FM's open Line.
Half the producer David Williams. I'm your host, Patty Daily.

(02:06:43):
Have yourself a safe, fun, happy day. We'll talk the morning.
Go jays, Bye bye.

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