Monday Oct 27th

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Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
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six twenty six. So opening weekend at the World Series,
it was the best of times. It was the worst
of times. It was feast and famine. No nothing short
of that game one.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I mean pretty exciting stuff, right, I was excited regardless,
but you know, we get eleven runs on fourteen hits
and a few home runs. Game two one run, four hits,
no home runs, even though you have a moto. The
starter for the Dodgers was absolutely lights out, but a
couple curious things. So for Game one, Alejandro Kirk, the
Blue Jays catcher and All Star, hit a home run,
becoming the first Mexican player Mexican born player to ever

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hit home run in the World Series. And then, of
course Addison Barges are blue wide open with the first
ever pinch hit Grand Slam in World Series history. So
Game three tonight in Los Angeles, we'll see how it goes.
Max Schurzer a future Hall of Famer. He gets the ball,
he's on the bump. It's his fourth World Series appearance
for four different teams. Look, Max has been great over
his career. You don't really know what you're going to

(01:45):
get from him these days at the age of forty one.
But in the first inning when you have to face
Otani and Betts and Freeman Scherzos first inning era is
around twelve, so we might get a bit of the
tail told this evening. So let's go get him all
right away from social media for the most parad on
the weekend, just for the obvious reasons. But I was

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surprised yesterday had a quick scroll to see people sucking
the life out of people, see sucking the joy out
of folks who are just enjoying a bit of baseball
here in October. So apparently it's a thing that it's
not Canada's team because so many of the players are
at Americans. What there's only one team in the country. Yes,
there's only one player born in this country, and that's
Vladimir Guerrero Junior. He plays for the Dominican Republican. Of

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course he was born in Canada because his father was
playing for the Expos. So imagine the self loathing to
just try to get in to make that a point.
So bizarre anyway, So just a couple of quickies for
your awareness purposes only every now and then. What I'm
told about scams, I really feel like I should be
putting it out there. Even if it spares one person

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from getting scammed, it is probably worth it. Here's a
new call, a new one going around, and it's a
phone call. Okay, they say the name of the personal calling.
So in Mike case, Patty, are you over the age
of fifty five bills on time, you're entitled to one
thousand dollars from John Hogan. Then they want you to
go to your bank information of course scam and then
it's back in the news today about the bank's doing

(03:10):
very little to protect their customers and folks having their
bank accounts absolutely emptied. Get through it fairly quickly here
so five quick tips. Bank fraud is a significant concern
in Canada and it's going up year over year. First off,
it's your password. You really have to use a strong,
unique password. Apparently the most common password by and so

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says nord Pass. The most common password are used in
Canada and dozens of other countries in twenty twenty five
is one two three, four, five six. The second most
common password one two, three, four six, seven eight nine.
That's not good enough. You really need to do better
to protect yourself on that front. And even if it
takes a little bit of that of additional time, the
two factor authentication sign up for it, take advantage of it.

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So the big banks will indeed offer it, but they
don't do enough to make sure their customers use it.
And never share your information with a phishing email or
a phone scam and they're out there all the time.
Never share your password, that kind of stuff. Here's a
couple that people might not think about. If you're in
a public setting, look at the coffee shopper, what have you,
and you're using public Wi Fi, don't use it for

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banking because there's the middle man. Is that they pardon me,
the man in the middle who can scam me right
there and then. And if you're going to download a
banking app, do it from the bank proper, not from
a third priority, because that could be the gateway into
your personal information. Okay, we just always feel like we
should put the scam information out there, all right. So
we see that the Liberal candidate who ran in lewis

(04:35):
Port Twillingate had lost the Progressive Conservative candidate Mark Bought
by eighteen votes. That's, of course Derek Bennett. He submitted
an application to the Supreme Court of Newfoundland and Labrador
looking for a judicial recount. He referred to here's a
couple of things that are not one hundred percent shorty
means mister Betty referred to extraordinary circumstances. Did not tell
us exactly what the extraordinary circumstances are. But we will

(04:58):
see a judicial recount, we think, to see whether or
not the eighteen votes could be overcome. By mister Bennett,
eighteen doesn't sound like a lot, but in reality it is,
you know, because there would have been scrutineers representing the
candidates and the various parties at the counting on election
in the evening. So to think that there's that many
that could be overcome is maybe a long shot, but
I suppose if you're mister Bennett, it's probably worth it

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if you think you have a swing at it. All right,
So we're still waiting for the incoming PC government to
be sworn in. I do see plenty of commentary about
the transition team, you know, to former cabinet ministers, and
then people are pointing to Steve Outthaus in his role
and his politics what that might mean for questions going forward.
So if you're one of those folks who have sent

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me extensive emails about it, you're happy to join us
here on the program this morning, and all hands talking
about things that have been pledged on the campaign trail.
And look, they're good ideas, but good ideas need good
detailed components so that we can know whether or not
run the right track, and one that always jumps out
at me is traveling. Look, we have talked about that

(06:02):
extensively on this program and the hundreds of millions of
dollars we've spent on travel agency nurses. And yes, when
the justification was the province thought they need to hire
them so that we can keep the hospitals and various
clinics open. Okay, but it got away from us in
a hurry. So what is that plan? I know we're
talking about adding fifty additional seats to the nursing school,

(06:22):
that memorial and offering permanent, full time jobs upon graduation
all makes sense, But is that it and will that
address things that about Coffee's talking about, but the prevalence
of violence and the inability to get leave the mandatory overtime,
so reclassification, will that really pragmatically address those three areas
of concern that the Chilter Nurses' Union talks about all

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the time, and understandably so. Also in the world of recruitment,
and as Evet Coffee said many times, it's about retention
as much as anything else. She's right. In the world
of recruitment, I've mentioned this a few times. But there's
yet more stories coming forward about is what they're doing
to recruit now. Apparently we've had teams down, for instance,
at a conference in Chicago trying to recruit healthcare professionals.

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They seem to be having some success in the province
of British Columbia. Add to it now the province of Manitoba.
So since the beginning of this year they've been able
to recruit ten doctors and bring them straight into the fold.
The college has done away with the need to write
a Canadian certification exam, so ten additional doctors simply by
recruiting from the United States. In addition to those ten,

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there are eight who have already accepted offers and they're
in the middle of the process. So looks like that
can make a big difference. And where we are in
that not one hundred percent sure, but you want to
take it on, we can do it. This topic has
just kind of come out of nowhere, even though we
used to talk about it a little bit in the past.
It's you know, like here in this neck of the woods,
there is the availability of public transportation metro bus and

(07:49):
go bus. Ridership is up, way up, and there's a
couple of reasons why many newcomers will ride the bus,
and also with the bus pass provided to low income owners,
of course more people on the bus. So now there's
fifty thousand dollars of federal government money to conduct a
feasibility study for a public transit system in rural areas
of the Avalant Peninsula. So stretching between these sparsely community

(08:12):
sparsely populated communities Saint Mary's Bay, stretching from Saint Catherine's
to Saint Vincent's. We know full well there are plenty
of people living in the area, maybe residents with disabilities,
or seniors, or people who don't have a vehicle and
need to make the way to town for a variety
of things, and maybe not necessarily only town either, But
there's got to be a way for public transportation, not

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on the same scale as metro bus, but some availability
that can make it easier and more affordable for folks
who do need to travel, and maybe for the aforementioned
seniors or the people without a vehicle or people with disabilities.
So be curious to see when that's going to get
off the ground. And let's dig into it, all right,
few more, remember not that long ago, when there was

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any conversation of building public infrastructure in the remodel, it
was widely rebuked. So the Private Public Partnership NAPE is
back in the conversation now, looking for a conversation with
the Premier Designate Tony Wakem about moving away from what
they call the privatization creep. Look, when the money has

(09:17):
been tight, it looks very attractive, and we've now entertained
the P three model to build just about everything, hospitals,
mental health and addictions facilities, the upcoming penitentiary, a hospital
in Cornerbrook, long term care facilities in Central So it
is the go too. If we're looking around how effective
they've been in the long term, P threes have come

(09:40):
up short more times or more often than not. So
it is a worthy conversation because if it's a feel
good now for a little bit of additional financial pain later,
that cost benefit analysis hasn't really been conducted as publicly
as we need it to be. Yeah, people want things built.
You want schools built, long term care facilities and new penitentiary,
new hospitals. Everybody wants the critical infrastructure to be in place.

(10:04):
But some of the better broken down windows like ten
years cost, twenty years cost, thirty years cost had been
done in the traditional method of the public sector going
to tender versus the new P three model. That is
certainly undeniably big part of the conversation here. Back when
he used to get a lot of concern from organized labor,

(10:24):
in particular, the worry was that the staff would not
be unionized. That got tempered, I believe Paul Davis was
the premier at the time, and there was public announcements
that no, no, no, the staff will absolutely be unionized,
which kind of took some of the wind out of
the sales of labor at the time. But the P
three conversation doesn't get enough conversation as far as I
can tell. All right, let's get into the transition. Just

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a couple more topics there, so I'll go the liberals, income,
the Tories. So even something as fundamental as when we
were told that the analysis had been completed looking at
the natural gas deposits off our shores, trillions trillions of
cubic feet of natural gas currently not being utilized. And
one big sticking point there is that there's no royalty regime.

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So unless the operator's offshore or any proponents in the
wings know exactly what the business model looks like based
on royalties, then there won't be any advancement. Whether you
think it's a good idea or a bad idea, it's
just a thing that is either going to be utilized
or not. But until there's a royalty regime, there will
not be anything developed offshore with regarding natural gas. So

(11:31):
when the Liberals told us what they had found, we
already knew it is what kind of work has gone
into the royalty regime. How detailed and elaborate has been
the transition work to ensure the incoming government can hit
the ground running, So things like that. I mean, I'm
not behind the curtain and know exactly how it's been operating,
but we do have questions and it'd be nice to

(11:52):
know when the government's going to be sworn in. As
a matter of fact, all right, A couple more this
one also with energy. This week or over the course
of the next few days, members of the Inunation are
going to be voting on the compensation settlement arrived between
the Inunation and members of the communities as che g
and that with Shiesh about the Upper Churchill and the
court case that had dragged on forever with hydro Quebec.

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So the offer at this moment is for hydro Quebec
to pay eighty seven million dollars to both Cheg and
that was Sheesh annual payments in what they call a
reconciliation and collaboration agreement, and that runs over the course
of sixteen years. In addition to that, it's three percent
of dividends Hydrokubec receives from Churchill Falls as long as
it produces power, so not insignificant. When it came to Muskrat,

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of course, with the New Dawn agreement was part of
the permission or whatever the right word is for development
to proceed there. So it's got to receive fifty percent
of eligible voters in each community. Cheg and that was
Sheiesh must cast votes and sixty percent of the vote
in each community must be in favor. What we don't
know is precisely what this means for gall Island. There's

(13:03):
also the thought we can talk about the upper Churchill
MoU of course, and we absolutely should. But inunation, does
this vote have any impact on goal because they have
said there will be no goal unless they are made
hole to the tune of about a billion dollars in
lost revenue at Muskrat based on the last mitigation monies.
Haven't heard much about that inunation. Were represented at the

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press conference when the MoU was revealed. But presence doesn't
equal being made whole, as they say in the world
of potential loss revenues at Muskrat. But that's a pretty
big one. Get a bunch of emails, But curiously, no
calls that I can recall right off the top of
my head. Regarding the criminal justice system and the proposed

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federal legislation known as Bill C fourteen, we talk about
harsher sentences, including consecutive sentences, the reverse owners to get bail,
all of these things, and we can break it down
and get into some of the specific areas that have
been covered in the legislation, which still need some additional scrutiny,
still needs to be passed in Parliament, and will eventually

(14:05):
be adjudicated at the Supreme Court level, just like when
Prime Minister Harper brought it in, because it will be
deemed as to whether or not as constitutional. One thing
that I think would be helpful is, especially when we
talk about bail, and even if you use the slogan
airing of jail not bail, and there's a difference if
you were, say, for instance, charge with the domestic violence

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versus one of the noises that took a back home
beat the hell out of the bank, Ammount Perl who
are now facing charges. What we don't track is the
number of crimes that have been committed when someone's out
on bail. So doesn't that seem like a pretty important
piece of the puzzle to understand just the risk posed
to Canadians by folks who are granted bail. We hear

(14:50):
the notables, you know, a British Columbia, a man out
on bail for assault against his partner and hours later
she was dead. So we hear those stories. But even
if it was just, you know, a breakdown of the
various types of crimes and how percentage wise how common
it is for someone on bail to commit another crime,

(15:10):
it would be helpful when we have these types of
big picture conversations, I would think, but we don't track it.
And while we don't track it, I really have no
worthly idea.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Okay, So Doug Ford in the Conservative government of Ontario
took it upon themselves, I assume upon themselves, to have
an ad buy of some seventy five million dollars to
play an ad in the United States on television to
talk about the downside of tariffs.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Doug Ford has been hammering away at the President four months.
What makes this one different is that they were using
the words of one of the I think political giant
figures in the Republican parody is past President Ronald Reagan. Now, yes,
some of the presentation was not included, and yes President
Reagan was about to impose severe terror on Japan, but

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he talked a great length inside that address and included
into the next State of the Union about how tariffs
are bad and they end up badly for both sides. So,
you know, even going back to the pass of Smooth
Holly back in the nineteen thirty or I think nineteen
thirty itself and all the promises made there by bringing
jobs back and to increase labor productivity to day what

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led to the Great Depression. So regardless of what side
of this Yaron, when that ad ran and of course
using the GOP's words against them, the President and yet
another example of his temper Tantrum has now applied an
additional fifty partly ten percent of tariff on top of
everything else that was already being tariff, And she used

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the quotes, I mean for sarators, the American importers, and
American consumers to pay the vast majority of the tariff.
Flavio Volpe, the president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers Association
and member of the Prime Minister's Council on Kennedy West Relations,
said on social media to be clear, a TV commercial
is about the cost American consumer is about fifty billion dollars.

(17:06):
Because so look, we can justifiably ask where's all the
trade deals? And we can absolutely ask as to the
veracity of the approach being taken by Prime Minister Curnity,
who told Canada he was the best to deal with Trump.
But the bottom line is how do you deal with them?
And what's the likelihood if we enter into some sort
of agreement that he'll abide by it. And I think

(17:29):
that's a fair question, given the fact he didn't abide
by the most recent trade deal that he signed and
said was a great deal. That people want to dig
in on supply management and maybe that's one of the
bugaboos holding it up. We know how supply management works.
If you ask Jerry cattle farmers in Wisconsin, they wish
they had it, So you know how it works. I
suppose right there's a minimum price set at the third

(17:51):
pillar being tariffs. But the fact of the matter is
the Americans have better access to Canadian markets with Jerry
products than Canadians have American markets. So I really don't
understand how that has been such a hurdle. And what
do we do here? You know, it depends on who
you ask. The end result of supply management is that
Canadians may indeed be paying higher prices. But if you

(18:13):
look at places with whether it be Australia or New Zealand,
when the Australians took away regulation, prices went up so again.
And what they do in the United States is they
pay for lost revenues in the former subsidies from the
federal government aka socialism. The biggest problem in the United
States is overproduction. It's something we try to address head

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on in this country with supply management. That's not a
thumbs up or thumbs down for it. But look, the
ad featuring Ronald Reagan was not a fraud. It probably
didn't include the entirety of the address, including the slapping
of one hundred percent tarifying in japan products, but he's
been pretty clear. If anybody can remember any of the

(18:56):
Reagan eraror or to read a book, he was absolutely
a trader, a free and fair trader, and pointed specifically
and oftentime to exactly what the downsides are of tariff
based trade wars. So because lots of people in the
country who are still blaming it on anybody here, but man,
oh man, it was instigated south of the border. Has

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kindly did a good job. I don't know, but now
the president won't even speak to him. So look, the
chaos it's caused and the impact on prices is real,
and none of it's helpful. And you can point the
finger blame wherever you see fit. But a tv AD
was enough to see another ten percent slapped on and
the trade talks have stalled in full. Not so sure

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how that be constituted a good thing or a bad thing.
Very quickly, quote, we should be aware of the demagogues
who are willing to declare a trade war against our friends,
weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world,
all while cynically waving the American flag. Who said that?

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Reagan Roth, Twitter or Visimo plan follows there. Email addresses
open on dot com. If you heard something off the
top of the show that interests you enough to call, fine,
If it's something that you didn't hear brought up and
you'd like to talk about it, let's do that too.
Don't go away, Welcome back to the show. Let's forget
this morning on the top of the board line number one.
Good morning, Kevin, you're on the air.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
Yes, good on Berry. You know Colin this morning because
of an incident that happened up to se I'm in
Buffins and incin that happened here on Saturday, and you know,
a terrible, terrible disgrace to our nine one one system.
We had a young lady, a young lady hiking and

(20:42):
fell and when I had a severe cut to her neck,
and uh well she was only just spoke to the
gun for a short period of time. So when she
didn't show what people said look for her and a
rent founder and you know, way automatically called nine one
one and you've got their normal prolo cality that to

(21:05):
wait for this you get to wait for that. We
got the call there and there, we got to do this,
We have to do that. And meanwhile she was home
personal around this cut, and this lady actually held her well.
They had a couple of friends helped for a while,
helped usure onund this cut for over an hour and
a half. You know, this is a terrible, terrible, terrible situation.

(21:28):
And we have a search and rescue committee here in
the in the town second and non approximately twenty minutes
away from this patient, and we're told by nine to
one one to stand down. They were told not to
assist now. Just you know, there's something wrong with our

(21:51):
system when we get into stuff like this, you know
there's something seriously well. The area that this young lady
was in tow was stretch, to say the least. There
was a bare minimum hiking trails, to be completely honest,
switcher And anyway, she sat there for an hour and
a half while nine one one decided if they were

(22:13):
going to send assistance. There was a request made for
a comrade a helicopter in he command tried to take
her over to this situation, and they weren't allowed at
the anything. They weren't allowed to move, they were told
to stand down. To my more one it says, what
was going on here?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Just one second? Kevin? Who told who to stand down?

Speaker 5 (22:34):
Well, the ninety one one operator, I guess whoever they
were talking to at nine one one, right, so you
know it's a protocologist Patty that they completely unswitcher, right,
you know that does their stuff. But anyway, she was
left there and for an hour and a half before
they were allowed to send in search and rescue to

(22:57):
attend to this person. And like I said, they asked
for a common health Cooper nose situation. Had the people
in the area there, the ladies and uncle with one
of the outfitters, and if he don't know the terrain
this area and the necessity for the helicopter, nobody do

(23:18):
you know? That's how simple is it? But they would
refuse to send the helicopter. And you know, it's completely unbelievable.
And eventually half an hour and a half they managed
to be able to get their search and rescue to
send in there. And this later it was only six
d and fifty yards for a road. It took a

(23:39):
narrow in ten minutes and eight people to carry her
out in a basket over rocks pass from one rock
to the other. And yet n I'm on mon figured that, well,
we don't need to use that resource to help this
young lady. To send that helicopter now, but they fell

(24:00):
off the cliff and Saint John's you'd have boats, shouldn't.
I don't know what they would reactivate the training system
to get to them within a half hour. You know,
it's completely completely unbelievable. This young girl, well there was
a great possibility she would have died. It's a foreign

(24:21):
fact that she fell into our co water this time
in the year. And that's so there in the bleeding
process and stuff like this, you know, not to mention
the hyperternia and all the other stuff. The co witners
and you know, and one of the protocol works that
they had to get it get had to talk to
their CMP and they had to do their thing and

(24:41):
everybody else.

Speaker 6 (24:42):
You know, our.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
System is completely broken. It's ridiculous. Normally in this area.
I've been here now sixteen years in this area, if
we hadn't emerged, and we have lots of them, because
we have lots of skilar words and hikers and everything
else over here, and there's always you know, a situation,
but we were called normally, we were called local hospital

(25:04):
and a couple of places they're in college, the one
for emergency and before nine one one we just asked
for one for emergency and enabulance search and rescue, and
that ring else was under way, a search and rescue
team in Buckings or twenty minutes away from this patient

(25:25):
and was not allowed to win any Now, somebody should
be ashamed of theirselves. Somebody was you know, headshot, roll
over stuff like this. You know this this day and
age and everything with income is our too. Man manager
told you you know bs that hangs everything up. You

(25:45):
can't get a doctor point, you can't do nothing because
this manager system now it's completely unacceptable and it's broken
and it needs to be fixed. And there's only one
way to fix it is get rid of it all together.
On one system is definitely not working. In from there's
no way close to working. People are dying and somebody

(26:08):
got to understand that. Somebody has to take the bullet
of horns and fix this up, you know. And there's
not only disicipatient. When you look at her, her mother
and her father and everything else, and well her mother
could manage to get up there where she was with
her father. Couldn't stuff of this, and you know the

(26:30):
trauma that these people are going to. Well, the way
almost avers little probably close three hours to get a
victim out there should have been out and a half
hour by combine helicopter. You know, how can anybody say
there's something like this is accessful, you know, acceptable in

(26:50):
the day of the world.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Well, short, short answer is it's not. And look, I'm
not taking away from your concern here because it's obviously legitimate.
One hundred percent is here's how how bad it can be.
It's no better than Saint John sometimes. I mean I
had a body had to call an ablance. They were
in Mount Pearl. The albums had to come from CBS,
So in Mount Pearl the abalance took one hundred minutes.

(27:13):
One hundred minutes to get to someone in Mount Pearl,
the number one it is. And then when you talk about,
you know, mobilizing the cormorand helicopters, so there's no comorans
in here. Someone have to come in from Gander. So
the whole system, whether it be search rescue capacity, whether
it be the ambulance system, and we don't really know
how the ambulance system is working, because remember we just

(27:33):
we're in the middle of amalgamating the ground in the air.
But they were apparently not allowed to use the word
red alert anymore, which is when you call and there's
not an ambulance available. So it's going to be difficult
in the future to measure how well we're doing or
how poorly we're doing.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yes, yeah, and they were again say with the ambulance system,
there's another they set up another management office to look
after that. And how these management as an effort to
create that preocracy slows everything down. You know, it's it's unacceptable.
You know, during election, the Premier home you know we're

(28:08):
talking about officers, so he was on to well, we
need to take another offices for major projects. That's one
thing that no, friends don't need. There's another office. We
need to get rid of the tyrors in office and
actually put people in the field, hands on. That's what
we need doing these problems, and people never mind getting
on here and complaining about the liberal government. The piece

(28:30):
of government, come up with solutions and answers to how
to fix itself and demand and demand will be fixed.
We sit under ours and on our computers everything else.
We're great laptop warriors and stuff like that. We actually
do nothing, absolutely nothing to help this problems.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
It's hard to argue with that, Kevin. So the outcome
was everything worked out?

Speaker 7 (28:55):
Well?

Speaker 5 (28:56):
Yeah, they got up to the hospital. She if she
hadn't fell into the water, look, I say, a good gentlemen,
she probably would most likely will better. And that what
they did, and then they had to do emergency surgery
on her. Stuff like this, and you know it. You
know how somebody on the phone decide that five hundred

(29:21):
commerce away from somebody's in this stress and they don't
need that immediate assistance. How can somebody do that? You know,
there's something seriously seriously around Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Unders Kevin. And of course the person on the phone
is only doing what they've been told they have to do.
And I guess that's the human resources on the ground issue,
as you rightfully point out. I appreciate the time. I'm
glad it worked out, albeit an absolute nightmare to you know,
holding your breath and crossing your fingers and toes hoping
for it. I appreciate the time, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
Anything else quickly, yeah, yeah, well no, no, And like
you said, there's not the person on the phone, it's
the pro apolegey kill Less.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
That's all totally understand. I appreciate time. Thanks for doing Kevin,
You're welcome, bye bye, and just very quickly, those in
the Qus stay right there.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I mentioned off the top people saying he's just sucking
the joy out of the baseball saying, oh, but there's
no Canadians on the Jayson. Nobody said there was number one.
And now I've been senting Oute saying the Blue Jays
are likely cheating because they were able to hit the
starting pitture for the Dodgers Game one what and now
apparently the Jays are playing dirty in delaying the Dodger's
flight back to Los Angeles from Toronto. I mean, if

(30:33):
you've ever flown to the United States from a Canadian airport,
you deal with the United States Customs border agents in Toronto.
So it's the American government and government employees paid by
the American government who are dealing with you as you
try to get on the aircraft to go back to
the States. Right, it got nothing to do with Canadians

(30:55):
at all. The Americans operate that portion of it, and
of course, the Dodgers going back to lax Well, they
had a bunch of stoppages and cancelations and postponements at
lax Y because there's a shortage of air traffic controllers.
So the Blue Jays or any Canadian, anybody getting paid
by Canadian entity at Toronto's Pearson had nothing to do
with the doctors getting back to la So I don't

(31:17):
know how anybody's he was playing dirty. Maybe it's just
an idea about how things work. Let's go ahead and
take a break. Willmen come back with speaking with you.
Welcome back. Let's go to line number two. Good morning,
Dwayne here on the air.

Speaker 8 (31:35):
Morning Patty. I don't tell you much. I send odd email,
but this morning I had I had felt that this
was important enough to call about. And I'm in Otawa
Hospital this morning, and I gotta take take your listeners
back to January of twenty twenty three when I had

(31:59):
my first diagnosis of cancer. Legs be sold in foma
is what I had. And I took some treatment at
the Health Science and sometime that summer I was diagnosed
as as in remission and I came home. I went

(32:23):
back home and everything was fine until February of twenty
four and I got sick again and they were lifted
into Saint John's canceled back. So this time only my
acologists opted for a stem cell transplant, and I did that,

(32:50):
and that summer I had the same thing. I was
in remission and you know, no live your life. You're
doing well. And I got home and that next February
of twenty five, February's a bad month for me. February

(33:10):
twenty five, same thing I have again, and this time
triagnosis was not so good. But the doctor's explained to
me a new leading edge clinical trial that was going
on in Ottawa that I could put my name in for.

(33:30):
I may or may not have been Acceptedfortunately I was,
but I got six two times, got rejected a few times.
And now in September, I got up to have my.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Tea cells removed.

Speaker 8 (33:47):
It's called the part auto immune therapy, and they take
tea cells into your body. They cycled three my blood
three times through machine and took out t cells, sent
them to California and treated them with a cancer causing

(34:09):
cancer killing antigen that is specifically designed for large B
set o lymphoma. But you've got to be fairly healthy.
The cancer can't be too aggressive, you know, just a
few criteria. Itumes that you know, you got to you're

(34:30):
going to meet the criteria. And that's why I was
rejected a couple of times because I wasn't well. But
in any case, I got the cells out in September.
I came back up here in October two weeks ago,
and I got the cells put back in. And it's

(34:51):
clinical trials, but they're operating out of a sixty percent
success rate, which I'll take that after what I've been
turs over. There's a bunch of other people out there
from Newsland that have set in on the same program,
but there's also a lot of other people that don't
know about it. And that was probably the main reason

(35:12):
why I called, because I tried to explain to my
friends about it, and they say, you know, the general
answer is I've never heard of it before. And so anyway,
it's looking good. Doctors are in every day and and uh,
you know, looking up for me hopefully, and I'll work out.

(35:36):
But I more or less a public service announcement that
there is hope even after some of the you know,
some of basic cancer treatments that were aware of. And
the goal of this program is if you read through
some research at the goal program is to make Cartee

(35:59):
first line of defense, not to have to go to
chemo and then the can to come back and go
to UH stem cell and then you know, have to
get the UH then get on a list to get tarantee.
You know somewhere out of the province, the company that's

(36:21):
still in the political trials, they're trying to get it
so that it's the first line of defense. And when
you are diagnosed with large B cell lymphoma as your
go to solutions, you know, unless your main the main options.

(36:42):
So it's it's exciting. I think, you know, and your
lists might be aware. You might have read that the
the Nobel Prize in the Science was awarded to three researchers,
three different one in the station I think two in Europe.

(37:04):
That the work that's done on entirety so far and
are using it to target other diseases like arthroids and
diabetes and other diseases that can of deacon fix. And
so you know, it's not it's not just a dream.

(37:28):
I think they're just pretty valid. You know that there's
something to this, to this research.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Well fingers crossed that there is. It's it's fascinating that
you called on this way. It's not necessarily a friend
of mine, but we have mutual friends and he's in
a cart cell therapy clinical tribe, but he's in the
hospital in British Columbia. I know him a little bit,
but in talking with my buddies about it, so for
some reason I know that car's chimeric antigen receptors and
so they're engineering cleaning cells to you know, for have

(38:00):
your immuneism built up. It's part of the immunotherapy inside
fighting cancer. So I actually read a little bit about this,
and then the next step, of course, they talked about
what is it called the monoclonal antibodies or something like
that is also part of this clinical trial. So it
says this person maybe not the same clinical trial you are,
but a car te therapy clinical trial that they're engaging,

(38:21):
and he's talking about great success and feeling much better.
So if it works, let's hope it makes its way
through the entirety of the trial and gets Health Canada proved,
so it can be one of the go tos as
opposed to a late in the day clinical trial. Hope
for the best.

Speaker 8 (38:36):
Absolutely, there's a three part story, so I don't want
to keep it to Liao. I just got to mention
shout out to Debbie Hanlin's family. She was doing treatment
the same time I was at the Whole Science and
we were kind of roommates in the ward for weeks,
and then we went into for North and she was

(39:01):
two rooms for me, and we had long TETs about
getting the car, teating going out of we.

Speaker 9 (39:07):
Were gonna go together.

Speaker 8 (39:08):
And all this stuff, and unfortunately it didn't. Something happened.
I have no clue, but something happened. She didn't get there,
and I just wanted to tell her family that I
got her front and center. I'm there for her too.

Speaker 10 (39:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (39:35):
It kills me up a little bit because she was
so hopeful that it was going to work for her too. Anyway,
Your thing I wanted to mention, I'm gonna let you.

Speaker 11 (39:46):
Go, okay, is that in fifteen years ago, the Ottawa
Hospital Authority I'll call it and not sure the correct terminology,
but the three hospitals in the Ottawa area, they threw
out all the contractors that we're doing parking, food service, cleaning, security,

(40:12):
all that stuff, and they hired their own staff, paid
them decent wages, gave them government benefits and patty.

Speaker 8 (40:23):
It's striking. It's striking the difference in these hospitals, and
you know, you see how clean it is, You see
how crowds these people are of their jobs, and it
is amazing. Really, it's just you know, you know what

(40:44):
we're dealing with the Comes group. I do because I
spent of the last three years, I spent oh my,
got nine months in the health science and going through
the parking lots and seeing like seven parking lots attendants
in one little parking lot, you know, like crazy stuff
and security guards everywhere and not doing anything. It's just

(41:07):
not what the're do want. Uh, wells into your to
your shoulder. That keeps lambasing the Compass group, it'll be
keeps it up because it's what they're doing up here
is so much better, is so much better. And you know,
the staff we are appropriate uniforms, and it's really it's

(41:32):
just I don't know, it's just striking. It's striking the difference.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
I'm going to hop in here and say the striking difference.
Hopefully we can adopt it, and good luck with the TRIALO.
Is you the best doing Thanks for doing this, Thanks
Beatty for taking it on my pleasure. All the best,
Bye bye. All right, let's get a break in those
You and the Q stay right there, don'ka away. Welcome back.
Let's go to line number three. Gale, you're on the air. Okay,
how about you?

Speaker 12 (41:57):
Okay, I just had something to say that somebody that
had something about the domestic violence. They're a little well ago.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (42:10):
I just came back after being away for twenty five years.
I was arrested not too long ago for domestic violence
after somebody reported me for domestic violence. And it was somebody,

(42:31):
a neighbor actually, who overheard me and my husband arguing.

Speaker 13 (42:43):
And I got.

Speaker 12 (42:44):
Arrested and he got arrested, and the cops said I
can't arrest one without the other.

Speaker 14 (42:54):
And I was on.

Speaker 12 (42:56):
My property and we were like cutting brush and everything
after twenty five years with cherry trees and everything, and
I had like scratches and bruises, and we were it
was like thirty five degrees and it was like whatever.

(43:18):
And there was no bruises on me from him, and
there was no bruises on him from me. But we
were like screaming to it was like mosquitoes everywhere and
it was hot. So but the cups she just like, uh, so,

(43:44):
how was that relevant? Like the cups said, I can't
arrest you without him.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Well, I really don't know the circumstances of what we're
talking about, to be honest with you, Gail, So I
don't think I can possibly answer that question.

Speaker 12 (43:59):
No, exactly, So there was there was nothing so domestic violence.
So how do you exactly? That's exactly what I'm saying.
How do you like if somebody says like you have
to go and investigate this, and then the cops come

(44:20):
show up and it's like you have bruises and scratches,
and the cops are like, okay, well I see the
bruises and scratches.

Speaker 9 (44:28):
So I'm gonna arrest both of you.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
And what are you being charged with.

Speaker 12 (44:36):
Assault? Just because somebody else is I hear somebody screaming
and yelling? How is that assault?

Speaker 2 (44:50):
I don't know. So you're you and your husband are
both being charged with the same crime.

Speaker 12 (44:55):
Assault, Yes, because they can't take one without the other.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I didn't know that was ever a thing, because if
someone's on the receiving end, they don't necessarily get charged
with them assault if they're being assalted.

Speaker 12 (45:06):
Apparently it is.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
And so when was this?

Speaker 12 (45:16):
Oh that was back in July, and we just came
home from Alberta and we were clearing the brush and
everything on my property and we were like, you know,
scratches and bruises and everything because there was cherry trees
and everything. Like we were knee high and freaking bog

(45:38):
and like twenty five years of freaking trees yep, and
bang bang bang to knock on the door and it's like, oh, yeah,
we're here. Cops comes in. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Okay, So I don't know the ins and out of this,
But does it require you wanting to continue to press
charges against him and vice versa for the assault charges
proceed or the police have the authority to lay them
without anybody pressing charges.

Speaker 12 (46:12):
Apparently the police have the authority to charge both of us.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Okay, So I'm not really sure. I don't deal with
the police very often, thankfully, but I can find out.
I mean, I know who to ask, well.

Speaker 12 (46:33):
I know who left because I'm in the I'm in.

Speaker 9 (46:36):
I'm in, Like.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
What did your lawyer say?

Speaker 8 (46:43):
Uh?

Speaker 12 (46:44):
Will I have to go through with it? Like it
is our CMP has the right to do whatever they
want to do now thanks to Justin Trudeau. What yeah,
the cops can do whatever he wants to do. They
can pull over for no reason as a like, they

(47:07):
can do whatever he.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Wants because of Justin Trudeau.

Speaker 12 (47:12):
Well apparently he gets to our CNP the right to
do whatever the hell he wants.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I don't think that's the case, but I know who
to ask, and I know who to ask about timelines
for if when anything has changed in the recent past
about the ARC andp's ability to lay charges without someone
filing a complaint and seeing the charges be late. So
I know who to ask and I can try to
figure it out. So do you have a court date?

Speaker 12 (47:43):
Oh yeah, I've been to court twice and I have
a lawyer, and I'm still like, yeah, go ahead. But yeah,
the cops can do whatever the hell they fucking want.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Oh well, the F bomb is a goodbye. All right,
let's take a break. Just you know, I know, even
when you get frustrated and what have you, we really
got to watch the F bombs because they can sneak
out very quickly. While Dave is trying to get organized
and all the rest of it. So let's try to
be mindful of that. Those of you in the QEU,
stay right there. We're coming right back after the newscast.

(48:17):
Don't go away, pluck it back. Let's go to line
number one. Good morning, Elizabeth around the air.

Speaker 15 (48:24):
Good morning, sir Elizabeth Kahn here from Sunnyside. I was
investigating about the homes and a lot of peoples tell
me that you have to sell your host before you
would be accepted for the homes senior homes. I've asked
several people, some says is right and some says not right.

(48:45):
So I was wondering if you could guide me to
somewhere that I could phone like to find out the
rights of it.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Sure, if you deal directly with NL Health Services, there's
an actual application process which includes UH health nurse or
a social worker gives you an assessment. They have all
the answers you need, a medical form completed by a
doctor and a chest X ray then so they can
be deemed what level of care is appropriate for you.
But I don't think you have to sell your own

(49:13):
home because just say, for instance, if you were wanting
to or wanting to or needing to go into a home,
but your husband didn't or your kids still live that home.
You don't have to kick them out, so you can
go to a home as far as I understand.

Speaker 15 (49:24):
Oh no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't have to do it
because I'm here on my own anyway, and I asson
be eighty five year old, and I mean, I'm trying
to find an out if that's right. So if that
would be right, that you'd have to sell your home
where it's just myself, well, I wouldn't get into a home.
I wouldn't be accepted if you're destreat what you're.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Saying, I'm trying to dig you up a number here.
One second. It sounds kind of convoluted to me. It's
the first I've ever heard of it. I didn't know
if it was an actual thing. Okay, No, you do
not have to sell your to be admitted to a
personal care home in Newfoundland. The admission part of ME
is based on assessed care needs, not your assets. So

(50:06):
the basic answer is no, I will give you a
number here now where you can call and get the
ball rolling for this let's see here supports program of course.
Now there's no bloody number. Of course, they just make
everything so difficult online. But you basically just have to

(50:29):
go right through NL Health Services, get in touch with
the community nurse or a social worker. That's the beginning
of the process and you do not have to sell
your home.

Speaker 15 (50:38):
All very good. That sounds good to me, sir. Well,
I didn't know who else to contact, but like I said,
I mean on the Newfouland Health program in right, Okay,
So I've got an appointment now with the doctor on Thursday,
so I'm gonna covoy it with him. I guess that
would be good witness absolutely, the doctor or the health

(51:02):
nurse whatever.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, it's community health nurse or a social worker is
next steps for this process.

Speaker 15 (51:09):
Yep, yes, sir. Yeah, Well, thank you sir for your information.

Speaker 8 (51:15):
Happy to do it, and you have a good day, sir.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
The same to you. Thank you very much. Thank You're welcome,
Elizabeth bye bye. Yeah. So that's the process, you know.
But I'll add to it is when things change, as
they inevitably do, don't hesitate to ask for yet another assessment.
If when you're feeling better or you're feeling worse, or
whatever the case may be. But that's where it starts.

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Let's go to line number four Gary around the.

Speaker 16 (51:40):
Air well, Patty, it's I'm living example, I live in
seniors retirement at home and I still have to sell
my health. So well, you gave her a correct information.
She don't have to sell her Oh I didn't think so, yeah. Sure.
Last week in the House and Comments, I think it
was thurday. I wrote this down so I wouldn't forget
it because I thought it was so important. I wonderful

(52:03):
called you on Friday, but they he said, we try
to have maybe once a week so everybody had a
chance of Ireland standards. So that's because so last week
talking the House of Comments, I'm pretty sure this is
on Thursday. Now I don't know who brought it up,
which side of the House brought up, but the Liberal
government want to pass the bill to ban members of

(52:24):
armed forces from praying, and I put questions from praying
that that's a little Chris telling the people they can't
pray to I mean, that's that's sty.

Speaker 17 (52:35):
You know.

Speaker 16 (52:36):
I don't understand this passive build a band our force
from praying, because it was it was spoken quite a
bit and during their debate during the House of Commons
and so like you got to slap in the face
of all the members that went and thought for us
in the Second World War to give the freedoms of
doing stuff we have now, there's one thing banned for pray.

(53:00):
Believe that. So I found my member of Parliament life
passed my concerns officers. So that's what I suggest. Cheap
an eye on what's happened in the news and the
hell to come, and maybe maybe gets if you didn't
get hold of him powers. Maybe you know what's more
about it.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah, okay, here's what I know about it is. This
was all the rage ins far as conversation went last
November leading into Remembrance Day, is that people were told
that there won't be any prayers that we remembered to
day and it didn't turn out to be true. And
I don't even think they're actually debating a piece of legislation.
There was a directive given from the Department of National
Defense to the ministers, the members of the clergy in

(53:37):
the military, and it wasn't about you can't pray. I
think they just took the word prayer out and put
in spiritual reflection so that everybody, regardless of their faith
or how they conduct their faith, was able to do
exactly that, so don't I don't think I've ever seen
any piece of legislation that says it. But it was
a director from the Department of National Defense to just

(53:58):
change the wording. So like last November the eleventh, there
were prayers and people were trying to tell me that
they weren't allowed and it's never going to be happening again.
But and it was at legislation. It was a director
from the Department of National Defense itself. So some of
correct me if I'm wrong, But that's how I remember
that because last fall there was a lot of talk

(54:21):
about that, and I searched the white paper for legislation
and couldn't find it. Then I was told the Department
of National Defense did it, which doesn't require legislation because
you know the chain of command. Here's what you need
to do, coming from the minister and the generals and
the admirals and anybody else that puts it. You know,
you know how the hierarchy works in the military. So
that's the basically of how I understand it is they

(54:42):
simply took out the word prayer and replaced with spiritual
reflections so that people who don't pray will have the
ability to do whatever, as opposed to everyone in the
rank and file has to pray to some entity that
they maybe don't believe in. So I think that's all
that happened to Gary, to be honest with you, I hope.

Speaker 16 (54:59):
So, I hope because I understand what you're saying. I
hope I under said it correctly because I thought to
me the way I took it up, and that that's
hit me. I said, that's that's basically telling people the
way I understood in the Florida because they get pretty
hot tempered, and how to comments holding Macro like a

(55:19):
like a war zone in there. Sometimes you know, the
verbal verbal comments back and forth between all the parties
there for Holy mackerel, who would But you know, I
think you cleared it up for me, so, you know,
for because I'm our personal prayer. I pray all the time, Paddy,
And I said, Man, so if that's true, then he

(55:40):
can't legislate people from praying. Nobody can.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
And I'm not sure that's actually happened. I mean, certainly
last fall when this was being discussed, I tried to
figure it out. I couldn't find anything on the white
paper regarding legislation. Then did go through the Department National
Offense to be told that's what has happened. Went to
a November eleventh Rememberance Day ceremony and there was prayer.
So I don't know if anything's really changed other than

(56:05):
that move one word out and put into the replacement
from prayer to spiritual reflections. That's what we found out
last year. If anything has changed since, then some of
you should fill me in, but not that I know of,
but not that I've seen Gary.

Speaker 16 (56:18):
Yeah, so so nobody because that's like, I'm glad you
put it that way because all I did then after
I wrote that down iPhone one member of problem and
the place like concerns, so that they they can find
something out from it, then I hope they maybe they
can kill you in too. I'm going to ask them
if they find out, Like my my ranting is Creipford
Small and he finds out, I mean he can fill

(56:40):
you in what was said in the house to comment
there and we're Tim Powers, Tim Powers in the Ottawa
So Tim Powers might be the best person to fill
us all in to just get some clarity, like you're
the way you shared it for me. This why I thought,
oh man, I relieved on the Holy Mac because they're
no way I want any government passed legislation that you

(57:03):
can't praise.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I mean, and people talk about, you know, taking religion
out of schools and all those types of things. But again,
if I am not, I'll be bluntly honest. I don't
watch a whole lot of the proceedings in Parliament because
I find it to be more frustrating than informative, to
be bluntly honest with you. But that's how I understand
how this is all unfolded, Gary, And guarantee if I'm wrong,

(57:26):
I will be told so on certain terms, which is fine.
We just want the accurate information out there. If I'm wrong,
I'm wrong.

Speaker 16 (57:32):
Yeah, And I believe that way too, because if I'm
wrong I'm wrong, I believe in that. You know, I
owe if I'm wrong about something, ill up to it
right away.

Speaker 7 (57:42):
You know.

Speaker 16 (57:43):
You know that's one thing that you and I have
in commented. We have that we have the strong belief.
You know, you know you sure thinks and you're percession
of something is a certain way. I mean, we don't
have to agree on everything either. I mean, that's okay.
When we do agree. It's waterful.

Speaker 7 (58:02):
You know.

Speaker 16 (58:03):
That's how we get We get to talk to each
other too. So because you and I are on the
same page with the Toronto Blue Tage, we enjoyed the
game of baseball just for the sake of it's the
Blue Tage. We enjoy it. It takes us away from
all this other stuff for a short pitch. That's what
I love about baseball too. So anyhow, you have a
waterful day, and Patty, keep praying. Okay, I got to

(58:26):
keep praying too.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Fair enough, Gary, appreciate your time. Okay, bye, bye bye.
Let's see here, let's get into the breaking back. Jodie's
got a concern regarding a couple of I guess potentially
vicious dogs. Kimber Hey's got to throw around a couple
of bouquets, and then whatever you want to talk about.
Right after this welcome back, let's go line number six.
Good morning, Kimberly around the air.

Speaker 9 (58:49):
Good, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
How are you great today? Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 14 (58:53):
I'm doing good. I just wanted to call in and
I wanted to give a shout out to some people,
and one of those people would be Ruth McDonald. She
is in Tom Osborne's office. I'm not sure, Patty, if
you remember, I called in because I had exhausted all

(59:13):
my avenues with the CRA in regards to the child
text benefits for my grandsons.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Oh yes, ok, yeah, So anyway, you.

Speaker 14 (59:22):
Put me in contact with tom Alborne's office.

Speaker 13 (59:24):
And anyway, this ubly lady, God love her her.

Speaker 14 (59:28):
I don't have a vehicle and I have my grandson's
all the time. And anyways, she took it upon herself
to come right to my house fill out in that
to day, but given her the right to go into
the CRA and check out my account and see exactly
why they had denied me my grandson's their child tax benefits.

Speaker 13 (59:49):
So anyway, she got in there and she did her thing,
and she did her magic, and God love her, she
got me my money. And I was so happy when
she she called me and told me.

Speaker 14 (01:00:01):
She said, like, we got everything straightened out, and she said,
your money is basically in the nail, and I.

Speaker 8 (01:00:08):
Said, well, thank you very much.

Speaker 14 (01:00:10):
And it took one call, and it took one call
to the government, and the government took care of it.
And Patty, it wasn't any elections and it had nothing
to do with anything like that, because this came to
me after right. They worked on this and it was.

Speaker 8 (01:00:25):
A lovely thing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
It was wonderful because I was having trouble with him.

Speaker 14 (01:00:29):
They kept telling me, oh, we can't read your documents,
we can't see your documents. You got to send it
back in and they just kept giving me to run
around devenment. Finally, this lovely lady Ruth McDonald's. I want
to thank her and I want to tank her on
open line.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Well, I'm glad she got it done for you because
you and I have back and forth with messages, and
of course you called the program. It really felt like
you had done everything you were asked to do and
there should be no hold up in eligibility. So obviously
some communication breakdown in the system, I assume, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 13 (01:01:00):
And I mean for me not to be able to
talk to somebody into CIRA and for them to be
able to say to me, well, we can only see no, like,
where's all the documents that I send, Like you should
be able.

Speaker 9 (01:01:12):
To read them back to me and say.

Speaker 16 (01:01:13):
This, we got this, we got there.

Speaker 13 (01:01:15):
Everything is there.

Speaker 14 (01:01:16):
But no nobody could ever give me any information. But anyway,
I'm going to jump forward now, and that lovely lady
Rouke McDonald's she was a part of this community that
I live in, but Master Circle worked at the community
center for many years. Apparently, I was told, and she
was a lovely lady, I said, So it.

Speaker 13 (01:01:35):
Was ironic that I met her. And anyway, I called
in there last week in the needle disposal down in
the book Master Circle.

Speaker 14 (01:01:46):
And anyways, Patty, I got off the phone and if
when my laborate housing was there. They had contractors there,
they were cleaning up. I went down and I had a.

Speaker 9 (01:01:55):
Little word with one of the guys.

Speaker 14 (01:01:57):
The contractors, and he said, the mem are there, don't
worry about it anything like that.

Speaker 8 (01:02:02):
Call it in.

Speaker 13 (01:02:02):
We'll get on as sale as possible.

Speaker 9 (01:02:05):
So they were pretty quick.

Speaker 14 (01:02:06):
They jumped down everything and they got everything out of there.
And I mean, I myself personally.

Speaker 8 (01:02:12):
I would appreciate it.

Speaker 14 (01:02:13):
I people would not come into our community.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
And do that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Yeah, because that was ridiculous to begin with. So two
good updates there. Yeah, well I'm pleased that they are
too positive updates. Thanks for doing to Kimberly, Yes, and
thank you.

Speaker 9 (01:02:28):
For your time, Patty. Great do you appreciate you as well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
You're a great man anytime. Stay in touch, all right,
you too, but bye. Yeah. I mean sometimes it kind
of feels like just shluffing people off, say, well, get
someone's constituency assistant to dig into it for you. But
in all fairness, people working in the MHA's offices and
the Member of Parliament's office, they're equipped to do this

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bit of legwork for you, especially when you've gone through
all the you've jumped through all the hoops and you've
been on the phone and went and got this form.
We got that for when you've done what you've been
asked to do. The ball really does belong in their course.
So that's not only say Service Canada or CIRA, but
it's also in the course of the constituency assistant working
for the Member of Parliament. And I'm glad that the

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lady took it on and got her settled. Let's go
to the line number five, Jody around the air.

Speaker 18 (01:03:19):
Hi, good day, Patty, good day to you. I'm calling
and still shook up. Monday, went for a walk with
my friend in a very touristy area and was attacked
by two dogs. These two dogs were unleashed, walking on
their own in a big like it not in a
path and a big, perking rot area. And to me,

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I didn't kept looking to see what's anybody coming behind them.
And to me, those dogs are docile, the most docile
animals you could find. They were two beagles. When we
got alongside of them, they jumped us, snarling and growling
and biting. I had to go get a technic shot.
I had to run away and kick and scream the

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two of us. We managed to get clear. I managed
to jump down in the boulders and hide while the
two dogs chase my other friend in the opposite direction.
So that's why I'm using the words vicious, because they
didn't just fight me on the ankle and run away.
They were attacking us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
So you were bitten where they broke skin and drew blood.

Speaker 18 (01:04:31):
Oh yeah, man. And but what's getting my goat the
most is I could have had my grandson with me
that day because that's the place we go to. There's
a very public place. It's a popular tourist attraction. And
all the reporting to people I've gone to and authorities
and everything like there's so he got attacked. That was it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Yeah, well it should be more than that. I mean,
just think about it. And sometimes it depends on the breed,
doesn't it. Because this had to be a story about
a pit bull attacked you. Then the next time we
hear that in the news, be the pit bullers put
down a couple of beagles. Well who knows what I've look,
it's not necessarily just the breed, it's the owner. Any
type of dog could be made into a vicious little dog.

Speaker 18 (01:05:17):
Oh well, these dogs are hunting dogs, and that's exactly
what they did. They hunted off. So I don't know
if they're older, they get in senile or what's going
on with them. But then again contact with the owners
and no return call. Contact the RCMP.

Speaker 13 (01:05:31):
I have.

Speaker 18 (01:05:32):
He told me I have to write a report and
if they think it's serious enough, the owners would get
a fifty dollars fine. That's how the RCMP could do.
Went to the town council because in this area, I'm
guilty too that like years ago, Oh don't walk this
road or don't walk that road because there's saucy dogs

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up there this area. They all know, and that's even
fatder and it's a big choe. So then I started
getting the picture like the all Newfoundland, all these tour spots,
all these little communities. What information do we know? And
you know you can't pass along It's going to happen
to somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Are there any municipal bylaws regarding animals?

Speaker 18 (01:06:17):
I called the town council and they had to send
me at currently they have no dog control policies or
by laws in that community. So I started digging. I've
become an advocate now for dog control. When you look
Google for dog control, everything that comes up is for

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a dog owner. And if two dogs attack each other,
the human being is the last thing on the list.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Yeah. Well, there's a couple of things to that. I
think it's called the Dog Owner's Liability Act.

Speaker 18 (01:06:53):
I suppose so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
But in that if it can be proven that the
owner knew that in this case, the two bigels had
the propensity to be attacking or to be biting you,
then they hold some civiliability as far as I know.

Speaker 18 (01:07:07):
So, Yeah, And I contacted two lawyers offices and they
told me if it had to happen on their property,
they'd had to take it on. If I had to
be more severely injured, they would have taken it on,
so I don't know liability act. Well, sorry, another step

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I did, I had to go to I went to
the provincial court to fill out a form to get
a provincial judge to intervene. So I don't know what
that means. I don't know if I'll ever hear back
from it. But that's done.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Also, Well, look, and you don't even have to prove
that there was any sort of negligence. All that has
to be proven is that the owner understands and it
doesn't have to be on their property either. I don't
know who told you that. That's my understanding of it anyway.

Speaker 18 (01:08:01):
Yeah, it's pretty sad, but so I just want to
warn people, you know, like Patty. If I had to
have a steak, or if I had to have dogs spray,
I don't even think I could have reacted as fast as.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
It happened, hikes, So listen, I would pursue that just
a little bit more extensively here, because then it's not
just about dogs attacking humans. As dogs attacking dogs, as
dogs are going after livestock, it could be an animal,
a pet, ripping up or damaging your own property. So
there's lots inside the liability in that particular piece of legislation.

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So I don't think I'd let this go overy easily.

Speaker 18 (01:08:36):
No, I'm still shaken because I still see in my
eyes in the summertime I see the little kids there
han't picnics to daycares there, you know, and just to
no reaction from nobody like you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah, listen, if you give this another bit of a chase,
let me know, Jody what happens. I'd be really interested.

Speaker 18 (01:09:00):
Yes, I'm hoping somebody will get back to me. I've
called I even call the Department of Tourism because I'm thinking,
oh my god, you know, Buffalo to people go here right,
what kind of protections do they have in place? None?

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Well, there's provincial legislation, so that least that much is
in place. So you let me know how this plays out, Jody,
I'll be quite curious.

Speaker 18 (01:09:21):
I certainly will. Thank you for listening. Eddy, my pleasure,
Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
And you know, look, if it doesn't matter what the
animal is, once you get quote unquote attacked by a
dog or a cat or a bird or whatever that
remains in your psyche into the future, that's not simple.
As as soon as the beagle runs way, then never
worry about that again, because that's just human nature. Right.

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Let's see here, let's get in the break, don't go away,
Welcome back to the show. Let's call the nunmber one
sig wanted to a former a Crown prosecutor, Mike Murray. Mike,
you're on the air.

Speaker 19 (01:09:58):
Oh yeah, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Good morning. Before we get into the assault charge call,
where was I on the Dog Owner's Liability Act?

Speaker 6 (01:10:09):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 19 (01:10:10):
I know something about the Criminal Code provisions and the
Animal Health Protection Act, but I'm not familiar with the
Dog Owners Liability Act at all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Fair enough.

Speaker 19 (01:10:21):
Yeah, so the lady called in this morning talking about
domestic violence and stuff and how she got charged and
her and her partner were both charged, and she wasn't
happy about the whole thing. I just thought i'd explain
a little bit about how to process works. The first
thing I guess is that the idea of the victim

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pressing charges or then even dropping charges, those are sort
of American ideas that people pick up from TV. They
don't really exist in Canadian law. So let's say you
called the police. It could be a domestic violence case,
would be any kind of case, and the police respond,
They investigate, and if they think there are reasonable and

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probable grounds to believe an offense occurred and that is
in the public interest, they'll lay a charge. When it
comes to domestic violence, police forces generally have a zero
tolerance policy, so if they believe that there was domestic violence,
they'll probably go and go ahead and lay the charge,

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no matter what the victim's wishes are, depending on circumstances.
So then the next thing, if the police lay a charge,
then it goes to the crown. At that point, once
the charge has been laid, once the file has been
forwarded to the crown, then only the crown can drop

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the charges. I mean, a court could find somebody not guilty,
but in terms of like dropping the charges without going
to try or without going to court, that's totally up
to the crown once the charges have been laid, and
they'll look at whether there's enough evidence and whether it's
a public interest to proceed. So even if the victim

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doesn't want to proceed, and you've got a witness or
you've got video, then it's quite likely, especially in a
domestic violence case, which will almost always be seen as
in public interest, to go ahead, then the case is
probably going to go ahead. In fact, in domestic violence cases,

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i'd say eighty percent of the cases have a letter
from the victim asking to drop charges. And I mean
the crown will look at that, but they won't necessarily
drop the charges. If there's evidence enough to proceed. They'll
look at how serious the case is. I mean, they
be more likely to drop something where the victim got

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shoved in the course of an argument and everybody cool
down afterwards, then they would if the victim ended up
with a broken arm or put in the hospital. You know.
Look at high profile case a few months ago, this
guy named Daniel Ozon. He was driving the car on
Pitts Memorial and flipped it over three or four times.

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He left the victim gravely injured in the car and
ran away. The witnesses said he was the driver. She
tried to drop charges on several occasions. She actually came
to court and testified that she was the driver, but
the case proceeded. He was found guilty and he was

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sent to jail. So the victim can't just drop charges,
and the victim can't just press charge.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Fair enough, It's what I thought, But that's why I
asked her as well. But the real confusing power of
that call for me was allegedly the police officer said
to them, we have to arrest you both. Is that
a thing?

Speaker 19 (01:13:56):
Yeah, I think, I mean, in order for that to happen,
there must have been there must have been some violent
activity on behalf of both, you know, I don't know,
maybe she hit him with a frying pan and he
came back in the house and punched her in the nose.
You know, it would have to be both people, if

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there would have been evidence that both people committing an
offense to church both. They don't do that as standard
procedure and domestic violence cases.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Yeah, because I mean, and look, I said, you r
right off the top. I wasn't there. I don't know
all the circumstances, so I don't have.

Speaker 19 (01:14:32):
A whole lot of idea what actually happened.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Yeah. Strange set of affairs though. And then it's the
next I'm trying to recall what that conversation sounded like.
And then it's the bit about you know, police can
do whatever they want, and I think that was in
reference to the ability for to pull a car over
without any sort of quote unquote probable cause, even though
once again that's more law and order than it is

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criminal justice in this system or in this country. So
where do we on that. I know, things have changed,
even some weird stuff like if someone say, for instance,
calls the police and say that they saw this vehicle,
this license plate number driving radically think they were drunk.
Things change there where they can actually come to your house,
and I think it's like a little bit of time
after you maybe arrived at home to pursue those types

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of potential charges. So give us an idea about that
pulling vehicles over and the drunk driving implications those types
of things.

Speaker 19 (01:15:24):
Well, under the Highway Traffic Act, the police have the
power to pull over any vehicle, whether there's a report
of any kind of wrongdoing or not, to check your
license and registration and sobriety.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Right.

Speaker 19 (01:15:37):
The idea is that driving is a highly regulated activity
and the potential for public harm is great, so the
police can the police can check a car, you know.
That's how like roadblocks work. They stop everybody who pulls up,
not just the people you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
As well.

Speaker 19 (01:16:00):
I mean, they can certainly take they can certainly take
factors like a report of erratic driving, the fact that
the car was seen leaving a bar parking lot at
two o'clock in the morning. I mean, when the officer
is actually following the car, if he's got information, he
doesn't necessarily need to see any wrongdoing himself. He just

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has to have a reasonable suspicion.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
And what is that I seem to remember and I'm
just trying to recall a bunch of things at once here.
So if you were reported in your vehicles, identified as
potentially driving radic and possibly under the influence, how lot
of the police have to come have to arrive at
my home for further evaluation, whether it be roadside examined
or breathliser, Oh.

Speaker 19 (01:16:43):
I think they can arrive at your house at any
time that they can locate your house and find it
and track you down. I mean, then it'll depend on
your interaction with the police at the door. You know,
they dull often when they're pulling into a driveway, put
their hand on the hood to see if the engine
has been running recently, to make sure they got the

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right place. And you know, when you show up at
the door, if you're unsteady on your feet, then they're
probably going to go on from there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Yeah, it's one of those things because the immediate pushback
I remember on that front is, well, what happens if
I wasn't a drunk, I got home and had a
couple of quick drinks, the police open all of a sudden,
I'm in coffs.

Speaker 19 (01:17:26):
Yeah, that's the legal term. Well for that is bull
of drinking, and the suspicion of the police is going
to be that people got home and had a couple
of drinks in order to be able to say the
reason I'm over eighty is because I was shook up
because I was almost in an accident, and I decided

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to have a few drinks when I got home. So
there's a there's a The way it works now is
that if they get a bread sample or something they'll get,
they'll do a readback of what your alcohol blood alcohol
would have been at the time you were driving, and
you'd have to be under at the time you were

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driving in order to walk away from that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Fair ball. Always helpful information this morning, like, oh, before
we let you go, you instigated the issue regarding the
Saint John's Act and causes and five through two eighty five,
and then the city pushed back with what I thought
was very much a splitting of hairs same things.

Speaker 19 (01:18:30):
They thought it was nonsense. I mean, the idea that
the police don't do don't I mean, sorry, that the
city doesn't enforce criminal law. I mean that's obvious. I
mean it's about I think about safe neighborhoods. I mean,
since then I heard a number of people call in,
including Counselor Tom Davis, who thinks it needs to be

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given serious consideration.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Yeah, because they're saying, you know, they can only deal
with things like noise and garbage and disrepair and what
have you. No one suggested that a city by law
officer that just got finished writing a ticket on Dalkworth
can break into a drug den and do anything with
the criminal element. But it's the start of the process.

Speaker 19 (01:19:12):
Yeah, for sure. I mean most of the places that
the neighbors are complaining about have exactly those problems. Noise
and garbage and disrepair and boarded up windows and syringes
around the sidewalk and on the front step, and you
know there's people coming and going all hours of night
and screaming and balling in the street. I mean, those

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are exactly the things that the city has the jurisdiction
to deal.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
With, and for some reason don't or at least don't
do it as often as they could and should in my.

Speaker 19 (01:19:43):
Estimation, Yeah, no, I think that that's how I see
it too, but as well, I mean, in other provinces,
Lake Saskatchewan has a Safe neighborhoods Act. I forget the
exact term of it. That's a piece of provincial legislation,
and in fact they are they're bringing it back before
the legislature this fall to make it easier to get

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eviction notices and stuff like that. Then you wouldn't just
be dealing with Saint John's. I mean, if the province
passed that legislation that I mean, I remember, I can't
remember what rural community it was where people felt terrified
and afraid to leave their houses because of a drug
house up the street, and talking about constant thefts and
noise and fighting and needles, usual stuff. So I mean

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the province could pass the legislation in that regard to absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
I mean, because at every level of government we talk
about the public safety sentiment. Politicians lean in on it,
but then don't take advantage of what's at their fingertips.
Via legislation yet to be pasted or to be amended
or to be applied. So well, yeah, anyway, and on.

Speaker 19 (01:20:51):
The other part of that too is that, I mean,
the sort of dirt and disorder in the streets is
turning people against supportive housing and things like that that
are that are generally speaking good ideas. You know, the
fact that the people who might be running a support

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of housing establishment and take the position that their responsibility
ends at the front door, I mean, they're only shooting
themselves and the people that are trying to help in
the foot because they're turning the public against against these
kind of think these kind of things shelters and supportive

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housing and stuff. They're actually turning the public against it
by not taking a more proactive approach. I mean, if
you run a support of housing place or a shelter,
why don't you have staff members go out and pick
up needles in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
It's a very good point, and it's very much what
it's akin to even just overall conversations about controversial topics
like whether it be supportive housing, what have you. Same
as immigration is, we just put everyone in the exact
same envelope and we treat them exactly the same when
that's never the case. So someone who's in support of
housing and there may or may not be a bad

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apple in and around there, or bad experience held by
someone else in the neighborhood. All of a sudden, all
of those issues just create problems when it's just not
the case. And it really does make it difficult for
a government to quote unquote enforce their own policies and
messages when they can't get out of their own way.

Speaker 8 (01:22:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:22:25):
No, I think anybody in this sector that's trying to
help addicts and stuff has to take seriously the public
safety concerns if they want public support.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
One hundred percent. Appreciate the time as usual. Mike, thank you, Okay,
bye bye, bye bye. All right, So let's get to break.
When we go back, Dementia Care, don't go away, welcome back.
Let's go to line number two. Good morning caller around.

Speaker 7 (01:22:48):
The air, Hi, Patty, per with me. I'm nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Okay, you take your time.

Speaker 7 (01:22:54):
Okay. My husband has been at the help since now
going on three months, over three months. Uh now it's
going into a third month, and he has Louis body dementia.
He he got one on one security because of his

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actions with the nurses. And he got out Thursday ninety.
He got on that elevator and walked out the door.
And he was missing for three hours.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
He was outside or in the hospital.

Speaker 7 (01:23:33):
Oh no, he was outside. He got out, Oh man.
He went to princevill of Drive. He went up tober Road.
They found him on the tim Gujiou, uttering wrote, and
he fell. He cut his head open, he got stitches,
and my concern was how did he get out? If

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he got twenty four one out one security, twenty four
to seven security, it's good I cannot figure that out now,
I wrote, My mha and my sons. My sons were
looking for them, looking for him. The police, they have
five units looking for him. And if this had been

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rush hour, you knew what Russia hour was like on
Princeville Drive, and the team could you. They won't stop,
and my husband's hearing he don't. It takes longer to
process things, and my concern is what will his safety?

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Well, of course it is so to answer the question
about where was his one on one attendant or security
twenty four to seven. Isn't that something that people on
the floor should be able to answer.

Speaker 7 (01:24:54):
I didn't approach them, wizards, I did not prot My
concern was with him at the.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Time, right and I guess and of course that would
be my concern as well. Is my thoughts would be
someone on the floor must know exactly where that person was,
whether it was something as like turned their back went
to the bathroom. Who know? Like I don't know, but
someone must have, you know, looked into it by now
to try to figure out an answer for you.

Speaker 7 (01:25:21):
I don't even know if there's a report written up. Really,
I don't know. I do not know. I do not
the police have the case no more. I got the
case number there and the police were excellent with him,
if the dramatic, you were excellent with him, even though
he didn't kick up the fuss because he did not

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want to go back. And I did not approach anyone.
When I did not approach any staff wrote what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Do you think you're going to because someone at the
nursing station, I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:25:58):
Going to yes this. Well, first of all, we need
more long term care. We're into the baby boomers now,
We've been into the baby boomers for ten years, ever
since Danny Williams was premier. That's when the baby boomers
started to go in.

Speaker 8 (01:26:21):
Now we're.

Speaker 7 (01:26:24):
They know now, they should know now that we need more.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Long term care, especially secure awards, like for people with
whether it be Louis body dementia or otherwise. I agree
with you.

Speaker 7 (01:26:38):
He needs to be into a lockdown, secure place and
yet be able to go outside and get a bit
fresh air. Prisoners go outside and get fresh air. But
he's been in there over two months and he don't
go outside. Just know what, he don't get no fresh air.

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He's like a cage animal.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
This is heartbreaking. So you don't do that to a dog.
It's it's atrocious. Just a quick called. So our question
the person who is responsible for care and security throughout
the day. Who is that person? Is it a nurse
or a natural security guard or who is this person?

Speaker 7 (01:27:22):
Well you have to hate him, I don't know. Okay,
he has different security of course, they have their shifts
right Well, yes, of course, but if he had to
go to the log room, he should notify someone that
he was leaving and for the nurses to keep an
eye on my husband.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Is his room door locked?

Speaker 7 (01:27:44):
He no, there's no lockdoors there. He walked out, you know,
I questioned him because he's hard of hearing, and I'm
yelling and people can hear me because he's ever hard
time hearing me. He told me that he just walked
out to his lady, came off the elevator, and he
went on the elevator, went down and walked out. Now

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you know, we wereing on the phone with the police
and my soldier are out looking for him. It took
him two hours before they called me to tell me
he was missing. Now, if they had to call me
around ten thirty, this was that night. Now, this was
Thursday night and Friday morning, the rain came down like cracy.
So if they had to call me at ten thirty,

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my sons would have been out there earlier and they
would have found him, probably making the turn on Thorburne Road.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Well in reality, because he's.

Speaker 7 (01:28:43):
All very slow and and he's he's he's he he's
uh uh he's walk is like uh, he's not steady
on his legs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
I understand. I mean, if there was going to be
he went six o'clock. Boy, had the security or the
personal care attendant or whatever the case would be be
as alert as required, he wouldn't have got out the door.
Might have got to the elevator, but wouldn't have got
out of the hospital. So I'm really sorry to hear this.
What I would appreciate is if you or one of

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your sons or what have you, if he can get
some sort of answer from something that like the supervisor
at the nurses station or what have you, to just
give you some idea what happened, so that they know
and they can show it up so it doesn't happen
again to your husband or anybody else.

Speaker 7 (01:29:33):
Yeah, well what definite. One of the reasons is, so
don't happen to someone else. Now lurk for day. OpEd
him on the list. They put him on. He was
like Chen on the list. They opped him on the list.
Now up to one or two or three whatever to
get up to him into a locked room.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Well, I hope that happens immediately, and I appreciate the time.
I'm so sorry you went through this.

Speaker 7 (01:30:00):
My MH my sons and olified. He's mh A And
I'm not letting.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
This go Patty, nor should you. I wouldn't.

Speaker 7 (01:30:07):
He could have been killed. He could have been killed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Oh boy, please do follow up at the nur station.

Speaker 7 (01:30:15):
And he tripped up into the media. He said on
Congress John, it's Auburn road and destinately got the cash.
He got aged Titus, and he said, and he could
have went down harder, he could have killed himself.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
I'm so sorry this happened. And I'm really pleased to
hear that you're not letting this go. And I'd like
to get an update from you or your sons whenever
it's convenient for you.

Speaker 7 (01:30:41):
Okay, thank you, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
You take good care you too. All right, thank you?
Bye bye. Now. I mean stuff like that's don't happen, right,
and you know what, it happens, probably more often than
we realize. I mean, there's a friend of ours, mine
and Dave who was to be under careful watch and

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got out and we won't finish that story. But yeah,
it means it's amazing that she talked about we need
more opportunities and long term care, secure awards, what have you.
We talked about exactly that last week. The numbers are
crystal clear. They're right in front of us. The forecast
amount of Alzheimer's and dementia to be diagnosed in this
country by twenty fifty sees one hundred and eighty seven

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percent increase. Are we prepared today? Probably not. Let's get
a break for the news took away. You were listening
to a rebroadcast VOCM open line. Have your say by
calling seven oh nine two seven, three fifty two eleven
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and listen live weekday mornings at nine am. Welcome back

(01:31:48):
to the show. Let's go to line number one. John,
you're on the air.

Speaker 6 (01:31:53):
Hey you Patty?

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Okay? How about you?

Speaker 6 (01:31:56):
Oh, I'll be bad if I was just listening in
the world as usually do. But the assault call you
had there, it's been about ten years. I was assaulted
by my ex wife at the time, and the two
female officers showed up. I mean she hit me three times,

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she strikes me one more time out it's a charger.
But there was nothing ever happened to that. I got
a ringing year for the last over about over ten years. Now,
is there any recourse that you know of?

Speaker 20 (01:32:34):
Talk to a few people. Nobody seems to be interested
in any of that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
You know, what do you mean by recourse?

Speaker 8 (01:32:38):
John?

Speaker 7 (01:32:40):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
To go back?

Speaker 6 (01:32:41):
I mean, I guess it's just too too much time
gone us boats right, I mean the assaults assault.

Speaker 20 (01:32:46):
You know, I didn't with the hand or anything that
came only in our age. I to ignore it, but
you know it's it into some of the some of
the callers, right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
Yeah. If I can point you in an appropriate direction,
I'm happy to do it. But when you talk about recourse,
is it for the charges that were were not laid
or for the injuries that were suffering?

Speaker 6 (01:33:16):
No, exactly the charges that were not laid.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Right, Well, there's a Civilian Complaints i'll call it department
at the R and C for one. I mean, that's
something that you can do. I don't know how successful
people are when they go down that path, but that
is something that's there, right See, if i'll get you
a contact.

Speaker 6 (01:33:39):
Yeah, that'd be great. It just seems like, you know, yeah,
I'll leave it at that and I'll appreciate it. I
just said, you know where to turn. I mean I
ran out of money with the lawyers. They were too
interested back in that time, right at that thought.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Yeah, So it's called the Royal Land Flank Consaporate Republic
Complaints Commission. So let's see if they actually have a number.
You can do it online or you can do it
at the R and c's it's got a specific division here.
Let's see if they actually give me a telephone number,
which is always very helpful. They don't. But what I
can tell you is if you simply google R and

(01:34:13):
C Complaints Division, it'll bring you directly to it and
you can follow through. There's a contact us. Okay, here
we go. I got a phone number four.

Speaker 6 (01:34:21):
Here for sure. No, I can dig it in that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Yeah, that quick google of those those words will get
you directly to the page, just like it got me.
So just put in R and C Public Complaints Commission.

Speaker 6 (01:34:38):
Beautiful, thank you, you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Good luck, Thank you, buddy, you're welcome. Bye bye. Uh yeah.
So we're not not close to the break. So for
the callers there to talk about the response to the
dementia patient, call happy to take it. There's another caller
wants to talk about the mo OU, which we need
to continue to talk about it. I do take a
few swat. That's when I bring up things like time

(01:35:03):
and whether or not it's of the essence, which I
think it is. You know. So, yes, there's a lot
of people applauding and look no further than the election results,
which weren't simply around the MoU. There's lots of people
have different opinions as what was their priority healthcare, access
to primary care, costs of living, crime and punishment, public safety,
MoU and whatever else. Maybe the fairies that were pledged

(01:35:25):
by mister Wakem. But I do think we do need
some answers here pretty soon about an independent review number one,
which I think the consensus is that's probably a good idea.
Maybe not so much when we talk about the referendum.
But when are we doing that? What kind of timeline
are we going to give for an organization, whoever that
might be, to conduct an independent review. It will be

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tricky to come up with someone with the experience and
utilities and power generation and contracts and fifty year time
frames and all the risks associated with liabilities and borrowing
for the event definitive contracts of this magnitude that does
not have any conflict. I mean, that's going to be
a tricky piece of business. Hydro is a massive organization,

(01:36:09):
and so they would have likely incorporated the consultant work
and or a lender and or whatever the case may be,
with a bunch of the biggest companies in North America.
But we'll see where that gos. But you know, time,
I think that's a reasonable question as to where we are,
when do we expect to take next steps and what
are they involved? That's it checking on the Twitter box
where VSM up andline follow Sir, email addresses open on

(01:36:31):
a FOSM dot com. Let me come back the MoU
responsible donation, patient call and then whatever you want to
talk about. Don't go away. Welcome back to the show.
Let's go to line number three. Caller, you're on the air.
Good morning, Patty, Good morning to you. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (01:36:48):
Yeah, the Liberals didn't mention it, and I see the
PCs is not talking about it. Why don't they use
some of that extra billion dollars that's coming to us
from if that MoU is signed actually a contract, what
are do use some of that to bring down the
hider bills in Newfoundland?

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
There's no good reason why. I mean, we've asked this
question directly of those well, I guess they were Liberal
members at the time after the MoU. Because million, the
billion dollars on average between now twenty forty one, it
comes in straight to the government treasury coffers. It hasn't
been airmarked for anything, So I asked specific questions like
would it be you know, would we be told that

(01:37:30):
every sense would be used for debt, deficit and hydro
rates because those are the three areas where we really
got to focus that money if it ever comes to
past Ivory.

Speaker 10 (01:37:39):
Yes, yes, sure, because we do have a very high
hide rates. There's still seniors turned down their termstat and
going out and walking around all miles, you know, to
keep warm during the day, and that's not good enough.
And they say which is out and outlier and we

(01:38:01):
got the cheapest eider races in Canada. That's not true.
I got family in New Brunswick, I got friends in
Nova Scotia, and I've seen der iDeer bills and there's
nonning compared to errors. Nova Scotia gets gets built there
results gets built every two months and their two months
built has We've run the same as their one month

(01:38:23):
bail air. So Idrew is out and outlying. When they
says we got the cheapest race in Canada, we called
very short on that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Yeah, well we're somewhere in the middle, is the truth
you known. And it's hard to compare apples to oranges too,
because different provinces have different rules with things like net
metering and time of day usage and that kind of stuff,
so it is a bit tricky to do direct comparisons.
But we're in and around the middle somewhere.

Speaker 7 (01:38:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:38:53):
Yeah, well I know we're not the cheapest, but anyway, Yeah,
and five to ten percent is not I want to
do it like a four hundred dollars dollar bill or
hydra bills. You save twenty dollars, that's not going to
cut it. They's going to have to be a bigger
percentage than that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Yeah, but just think about it. We're talking about billions
of dollars that's going to be used to keep the
rates at fourteen point two seven three cents plus the
fees with a predictable two and I think it's about
two and a quarter percent increase every single year by
twenty thirty, and then no plan and no money and
no understanding about what it's going to look like after
twenty thirty, which should give people reason for concern.

Speaker 10 (01:39:36):
Oh, of course, of course. And that's all I want
to call it. In this morning. I don't hear any
any anything on that at all. And I was wondering
why they're they're not saying like you say, they don't
have that money here mark for anything. So you know
before the contract is signed, if it actually gets signed,

(01:39:56):
then they could work that into the contract.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
Is so much.

Speaker 10 (01:40:02):
A percentage of it to go towards our arguabills.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Yeah, I don't know. If it can find a home
in a contract with hydro Quebec, it could find its
home in the political political contract with US voters, us
right payers, because they're going to have to tell us
what they're going to do with the money. If it's
just money coming in and they'll spend it as a
see fit. Well, buddy, I don't think we're going to
get much relief on our debt or depicit or hydro grades.

Speaker 10 (01:40:27):
No, And if it goes to a referendum, the people
is not going to vote yes for it. If no
matter how good it is, if there's nothing coming back
that we can see that they're actually doing with the money,
you know that's going to be a no vote right there.
So I would suggest that if the PCs are serious

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about getting this contract signed, that they try to get
something done or put in place that will decrease our
idea bills a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
Anyway, Yeah, I mean, you're not going to get an
argument for me. And I've put those very specific questions
to then Liberal cabinet ministers, including the Minister of Finance
or then Minister Financial Voon Cody, and I don't know.
I can't recall now if we had then Premier Fury
on the show shortly after the MoU I think we did,
and I think that might have been one of the
very first questions I asked him, because I'm always concerned

(01:41:21):
when it's just, you know, saying we're going to get
on average billion dollars. But it's what you do with
the billion dollars. You can, oh jeez, I almost sid
piss it away, you can spend it incorrectly or not.
You can apply to things that matter to most or not.
So it's a good question that you're asking, yest.

Speaker 10 (01:41:37):
And I missed that show with Fury on there. What
did he say in answer to your question when you
asked them about where are you going to do?

Speaker 5 (01:41:45):
Something?

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
That I think how I asked it was would we
commit or would the government commit to every cent coming
in to be applied to debt, deficit and hydro rates
And the basic answer was yes. But now he's gone,
so what he said then doesn't count anymore. The only
person that accounts if we make it to a contract
the contract stage would be Tony wakem. So that's the

(01:42:08):
question that we'll have to ask him directly.

Speaker 10 (01:42:11):
Yeah, that's true. Well, anyway, I don't want to take
up too much more of your time.

Speaker 8 (01:42:16):
I just wanted to put it in here and maybe
we'll get something out.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
I'm glad you called. Thank you. I have a good day,
you too, Bye bye. I mean, they are good questions,
and of course we're talking about a non binding memorandum
of understanding, which is very high level stuff. But things
like you know, how the money is spent that would
be strictly a political decision made in this province. Same
would be strictly decision made in the problems Quebec. All right, chair,

(01:42:43):
let's keep problem. Let's go to line number four. Caller.
You are on the air.

Speaker 21 (01:42:49):
Good morning, Patty, good morning.

Speaker 22 (01:42:52):
I was listening to the lady that called in a
voter husband was that her husband escape from the hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
That's right, Hello, okay, let's get her back. I didn't
touch anything. I rarely do. Let's see here very quickly,
let's go line number two. Call her. You're on the air.

Speaker 21 (01:43:21):
Hello, Hello, Hello, Hi Patty.

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
How are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Very well? How about you good?

Speaker 21 (01:43:31):
I'm just calling about a CYS situation here I have
with my grandchildren.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Okay, the father.

Speaker 21 (01:43:38):
They're living with their father right now. They're residing with
their father, but they're supposed to be with their mom.

Speaker 14 (01:43:44):
We've been going.

Speaker 21 (01:43:45):
Through courty, said the police. I'm an after calling everybody,
but I can't seem to get no headway. We went
to court in September with the father and the mother.
Also give the children back, like you know, visitation rates
for so many days and then the kids would reside.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Back with their mom.

Speaker 12 (01:44:07):
But that hasn't happened.

Speaker 21 (01:44:08):
He's not a boon, but none of the rules that
the court has given him.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
Every time the.

Speaker 21 (01:44:13):
Judge would rule something, he'd disobey the actions that the
judge has given him.

Speaker 12 (01:44:20):
So what do we do to do?

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
We did all the red tape, We went through everything
the right steps. What do we do next to get
our children back? They've been gone since April.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
Were you represented by a legal later or a private
family law lawyer?

Speaker 21 (01:44:33):
It was a legal laid lawyer.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
Okay, they should have put you onto the next step,
so resolution, resolution dispute, and questions about enforcement of court rulings.
There's something called the Family Justice Services. So were you
put onto them? Nope, Well that's the next one. There
are so called Well that's the right way to put it.

(01:44:56):
A mediator or a neutral third party. You all say,
But if you get a signed to someone at Family
Justice Services, they'll be able to talk about enforcement of
court rulings. They'll be able to talk about outside of
court resolution mechanisms that might be available as well.

Speaker 9 (01:45:12):
Okay, you have, I'm sure then I don't think.

Speaker 21 (01:45:16):
What'd you say? It's called family.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
Family Justice Services.

Speaker 21 (01:45:23):
And another thing, I want to ask you a question
about if you broke a court order.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
What happens depends. I don't think there's an easy answer
to that question, because I mean, they have you know,
it's one thing if we're talking about court order in
a divorce versus custody of children or the division of
assets or so. I don't think I can answer that
one without a very very specific question to be to

(01:45:48):
be asked. But yeah, wow, I can't answer it.

Speaker 21 (01:45:53):
It just seems like the system is failing everybody. It
would see why if it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Family court is as emotional as any court orl or
courthouse uh in the country. I just did on my phone,
have a very quick look to see if I get
you a contact number. I have one for Saint John's
if that's appropriate.

Speaker 8 (01:46:10):
Perfect second.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
I mean, this has been going on since April.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
I understand.

Speaker 21 (01:46:17):
It's now you know what I mean, It's time to
bring our grand show our chill them back to our
home be where they belong.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
I understand, and as usual, I have no idea the circumstances,
so I won't try to dig into your personal details.

Speaker 23 (01:46:32):
Because I would love to tell you what was going
on in this situation. I would blow the Province's mind
what it's actually really going on. But I can't say
that obviously because I'm you know, I'm not getting in trouble.

Speaker 21 (01:46:45):
So what is the number, Petty?

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Seven to nine one one eight.

Speaker 8 (01:46:51):
Three on one eighth three?

Speaker 21 (01:46:54):
All right, Like I said, I'd love to get into
big details with you, but like I said, it can
cause a lot of trouble for me even though I'm
speaking the truth.

Speaker 12 (01:47:03):
But justice will.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
I will get justice for my grandchild and I can
see I will. But like I said, it's taken a
loft a long time for them to step up to
the plate. And if you broke a court order four
or five times, you should be hollering right away as
far as I'm concerned, not let go and just we'll
deal with that whenever that's they're chilled. When you're dealing with.

Speaker 21 (01:47:26):
They're not you know, they're not dogs.

Speaker 13 (01:47:30):
I mean, you wouldn't even do.

Speaker 5 (01:47:30):
That to a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
Yeah, I mean, they're they're not chattel in a real
estate transaction. I get it. Listen, keep me the loop.
Just drop me a very quick update note as to
whether or not you had any luck there. If not,
I'll see if I can figure out something else for you.
But I wish you good luck. Thank you, Patty, You're welcome.

Speaker 5 (01:47:47):
Take care, okay you too, Bye bye bye, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Man. Family court has got to be brutal. I mean
the stories where I mean, just take this water. It's
worth It's not a complaint, that's just oops. What you
hear on the show is the literal tip of the iceberg.
For the stuff were here and the stuff I read
and the things people ask me about, some of it

(01:48:10):
is just mind bogglingly sad. Let's go ahead take a break.
When we come back, we're talking big projects and there's
the callers, thankfully back in the que to talk about
our guests. To give us a response to the call
we had about the poor man who's dealing with Lou's
body dementia managed to get out of the hospital even
though it's supposed to be supervised twenty four to seven

(01:48:31):
and cared for twenty four to seven. Terrible story. Let's
take a.

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
Break, don't go away the Tim Power Show during the
Conversation weekday afternoons.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
At four pm on your VOCM. Welcome back to the program.
Let's go to line number one. Russell are on the air.

Speaker 9 (01:48:48):
Hey, Patty, I just said, look, I can listen to
the program all week and there's a couple of comments
that come in there that I'd like to just content on.
Concerns I did to deal with the Quebec I dro
according to say the new premier. That's a did deal right,

(01:49:10):
And then like we got to say, an underground cable
running from underwater?

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
Is that?

Speaker 9 (01:49:18):
What do you call a submarine cable?

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
I just want to make sure we were on the
same page. Number one, uh Tony Wickham hasn't said the
MoU is dead. He says he's going to send it
for review.

Speaker 9 (01:49:33):
He's going to have a referendum. And as far as
I'm concerned, nine of the people in New Foland and
Labrador can comment on this. Doctor new documents that come
from someone else with proper money going to Newfland, Labrador
and outcome back cable was run inside Canada and not
to New York. That's another question.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
Okay. So are we talking about the maritime link that
goes from this province to the north of Cape Brighton
Nova Scotia.

Speaker 8 (01:50:01):
Yeah, yeah, can run right.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
Down to New York because we didn't build this. Yeah,
that wasn't us, that was Nova Scotia power. That was
a Mara. So they built that to get their own
power for Nova Scotia. So that's why it goes from
here to Nova Scotia.

Speaker 9 (01:50:18):
Okay, but boy, can not run directly if someone else doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Nobody said the cant.

Speaker 9 (01:50:25):
Right okay, And then I really questioned, boy, they ran
from over d cables right from must Falls instead of
going down the water with what he called submarine cables.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
So across the Labrador straight yeah and down. Well I
guess they.

Speaker 9 (01:50:47):
Run them, say from New York over to Greenwich, England
and other places.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Anything could be done. I mean there's fiber optic cables
right across the Atlantic Ocean as well, so yeah, I
mean there's lots of cables down there. Part of it
is a cost, and some of it is like for instance,
the Labrador austraight it's iceberg scour So there's lots of
things to be considered in the Strait that wouldn't be
the same concerns in many parts of these Latic ocean.

Speaker 9 (01:51:14):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now the
other the other thing I was wondering event well, was
else was on the mink.

Speaker 16 (01:51:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:51:26):
Like I said to me, ninety five percent of people
who would vote on a new company that proposes something
that's reasonable to Newfland and Arvador. And in my opinion,
the connection between Audro Quebec Alcore and it's like it's problematic.

(01:51:52):
They're learning their own pockets.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Who are we talking about lining their own pockets.

Speaker 13 (01:52:00):
Now?

Speaker 9 (01:52:00):
Core Quebecca I Draw and the crowd and Nova Scotia
Desertaly involved the project. I don't see the logic of
going into Canada with those underground marine moneyclos submarine cables.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Well, the only place you would build a cable is
to whoever's going to buy the power on a secured
power purchase agreement that gives you some certainty into the future.

Speaker 9 (01:52:30):
Yeah, and that would be say, a very large company
in North America purchased under and I took go back,
got nothing to do with So just my opinion that Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
I'm glad you shared it. So just from where I sit. Like,
for instance, if we're talking about the Upper Churchill, we
have a longstanding contractual agreement with the Province of Quebec
that extends past forty one when as it pertains to
gaul Island, if they're going to build it, then of
course they're And that's one of the concerns people have
is that Hydro Quebec and the problem Quebec retain all

(01:53:08):
the authority and all the decision making authority at Gaull Island,
which includes where the power goes. So that's one of
the problems people point to. I understand that that's.

Speaker 9 (01:53:17):
Just coming and got canceled that deal and go to
the contract that exists and do nothing with the out
of Churchill. Let someone else do extra power.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
Well, there's just my opinion and fair enough, but there
are like we're bound by a contract until twenty forty
one about who gets how much and for how much
they're going to pay. So that's that part of it
post forty one, if the aguit is we let that.

Speaker 9 (01:53:50):
We let that deal go to that date and we
deal with someone else.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Even if you wait till forty one, it doesn't give
you an opportunity to deal with anyone else necessarily because
all that happens in forty one is a renegotiation of
rates and some things regarding water and stuff. But hydro
Quebec is still in the picture. They don't go anywhere.

Speaker 9 (01:54:12):
Oh yes, yeah, dear, but they're no longer in the
rest as development, and they're no longer in control of
our resources, and we make the money.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
Making the money is the trick here, isn't this? You know?
The customer for me is not the big problem. Like
if someone's going to pay me five cents or eight
cents or twelve cents, supposing it's hydro Quebec or the
State of Maine or the New York City, like I
don't really care, well, I guess I do, based on
how much cost to get there. Yeah, I should include that.

Speaker 9 (01:54:46):
So that's just my comments.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
I'm glad you made them and I appreciate your time.

Speaker 9 (01:54:50):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
You're welcome, bye bye. Yeah, of course I got to include.
I mean, how much it costs to get the power
to market is part of the overall profitability of said
power purchase agreement, right, of course it is. You go
on line number two, Jennifer, you're on the air.

Speaker 17 (01:55:06):
Hello, Hi, Hi, good morning, Patty, Good morning to you.
I am a first time caller, and I guess I
want to start by saying, I'm a nurse within NL
Health Services and I have the greatest respect for NL

(01:55:29):
Health Services, and I guess the issues that we're facing
right now, but when things start out on a more
personal level, well, then there comes a point where I
have to speak. And what I want to speak about
this morning is placement services within Eastern Health umbrella for

(01:55:49):
cottage placement for seniors, and I guess these struggles that
I have faced with every can I put to paper,
there's an issue. My issue right now is we have
been through placement services. I have the application process completed

(01:56:12):
for my mom, which was not easy, from CIRA to
the assessment it was. It was just chaotic. And my
mother has now at eighty years old, been approved for
cottage placement. She is in the queue. Where she is
in the queue is a secret. Don't ask me why.

(01:56:34):
I don't know why, whether she's number one or number ten. However,
Premier Wakem's platform clearly talked of building more cottages for seniors.
The cottages are there, they're not the ones that are
there Patty are not even being utilized. In the Placentia

(01:56:57):
district where I need a cottage for my mother, there
are two cottages. One has been vacant for over six months.
The reason here's the reason. Those cottages are within the
hospital and the long term care facility. So the expectation

(01:57:17):
is that utility and maintenance workers within that whole department
need to do the repairs on those cottages. That is impossible,
It's ludicrous. There is one carpenter, there is one electrician,
there is one plumber. They are off on Saturday and Sunday.

(01:57:40):
When they return on Monday, they have clogged toilets, they
have broken beds, they have water issues. There's a multitude
of issues. How is it possible for them to get
up to repair a cottage and needless to say, age
that is only what three hundred three point fifty square feet.

(01:58:05):
It's impossible to do. I guess my issue is you're
in the queue for a cottage. You don't know where
you're two in the queue. Placement services is down at PVT.
I have been there. The door is locked. You're not
even allowed in there to ask a question. Someone comes

(01:58:26):
out and asks you what's your question? So I don't
know where to go. I don't know where to go.
All I know is I need to work. My mother
needs a place to live. She lives in a place
where there's no store. She is at least twenty miles
from a store. She doesn't drive, my dad dies. Where

(01:58:49):
do I go?

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
It's a good question. Let me ask you one. So,
in so far as where someone might be on the
wait list, are there any different components of this, like
maybe level of care, mobility issues, if you're single, if
you're a couple, is that all factored into how the
wait list is crafted?

Speaker 17 (01:59:09):
So you need to be single? And then there's an
assessment done by a social worker, which I will say
went ran smoothly. And I guess we're told you're in
the queue but what number are you? Are you number
ten for cottage or are you number one? I think

(01:59:31):
it's really unfair to do this to seniors but not
let them know. So where do you go in the meantime?
Where do you live?

Speaker 8 (01:59:42):
You know?

Speaker 17 (01:59:43):
My mom is back and forth. I'm back and forth
with my mom, which is totally impeded what I can
do as a nurse. How do I work when my
mother is struggling as an individual? How do I apply
for somewhere else not even knowing if she's if she's

(02:00:06):
top of the list for placentia? Like why all the
secrecy and why expect And my biggest issue is the
utility workers. I work in an area very close to
senior's care. They are not capable of doing those repairs.

(02:00:29):
They do not have the manpower to do them. I've
contacted mister Wakem. Mister Wakem was the Actually I've contacted everyone.
I've emailed placement Services, no response. I've emailed Eastern Health,
doctor pat Perfree, no response. The only one that did

(02:00:52):
respond was mister Wakem, who said Jennifer were in a
change of government. I get that, I do get that.
How However, Eastern Health has the authority to make decisions
based on what seniors need. I mean, we're not talking
days here, We're not talking weeks. We're talking six months

(02:01:14):
for a three hundred foot cottage and a senior lived in.

Speaker 2 (02:01:19):
Yeah, and then you know when I hear answers to
questions being offered as well, the government's transitioning, we get
that it's the political transition. Healthcare didn't stop, n L
Health services didn't stop. So I know you know the system.
So you know whether it be client Relations, which you
used to be at Eastern Health Safe Ins, which would
still be covering Placentia in area. So client relations might

(02:01:40):
be able to give you some direction as to how
you can ascertain where your mother might be on the waitlist.
I don't know, but I can't even think it.

Speaker 17 (02:01:48):
Relations already emailed Patty. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but
already done Client relations, Placement services. Tony Wakem mha who
I will say, although sitting now on the wrong side
of the government, Sherry Gamba Walsh did respond to me.
Tony Wakem did respond to me. But in terms of

(02:02:11):
Eastern Hills being accountable, accountable, they are not responding. They
refuse to respond.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
It's not even a difficult question. I mean, even if
there was an answer that said, here's why we don't
disclose where people are on wait list because if it's
something changes, you might be number ten today, but for
call next week and find out your number twelve, because
things change in the social work assessments.

Speaker 17 (02:02:39):
But that then at least you know exactly exactly. And
I guess what I'm asking is if someone else out
there has been through this system and can give me
some input, or if you can give me some input
as where do I go. It's no good going down
standing up outside the door that's locked. I've been there,

(02:03:04):
I've done.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
That, and well I've exhausted. Many of the things that
you said you've already done would have been the exact
same things I would have advised you to attempt. So,
if anyone's gone through this particular process and you're listening
to the program, if you have some helpful advice for
Jennifer and you get it to me, I'll be sure
to get it to you.

Speaker 17 (02:03:22):
Thank you, Patty, good luck.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
Keep me in the loop. And if I find out anything, Jennifer,
I'll call you.

Speaker 17 (02:03:26):
I sure we'll I'll call every week.

Speaker 2 (02:03:29):
You're welcome. Thanks thanks Jennifer, Bye bye. It's obviously a
trucky question. Where am I on the wait list? But
even if people out inder sand you know you're number ten,
and historically speaking, number ten has to wait six months.
Just pick a number. Then you can come up with
a plan for six months, as opposed to just flying
blind and coming up with a short term plan that

(02:03:49):
might require our long term plan. Let's get a break
in final one of the morning, don't away, Welcome back
to the show. Let us go one number one caller.
You're on the air, Good morning.

Speaker 22 (02:03:59):
Pat I'm listening to the people calling in a dementia
and Alzheimer's on those units or even if a dementia
patient is put on like in a room on a
different floor, there's no security or dementia for dementia and

(02:04:25):
Alzheimer's patients. And this has been going on for years.

Speaker 24 (02:04:32):
And like there's fall risk assessments done, and like patients
who are are prone to like trying to escape and
stuff like that, and like there's alarm bids that the
hospital has that they can put patients in doorway alarms,

(02:04:57):
which if the patient is atches to the doorway, the
metal magnetic metal on the doors. If they walk through
that the alarm goes off. And they also have clothing
alarms which attached to their clothing that is magnetic and
if it falls off the device like the alarm itself,

(02:05:19):
the alarm activates. It's easy fixes, but there's not another
of them, and which would be better protection for patients
and tall risk assessments and like I'm psychatrate, there's risk

(02:05:40):
alarms for staff that if they're at risk of harm
by you know, canture patients or dementia, violent demensia patients
that you're protected and with within a couple of minutes.

(02:06:02):
You have risk assessment which is staff trained which can
come to your aid within a minute or two.

Speaker 21 (02:06:11):
To help you.

Speaker 24 (02:06:14):
We have vient patients that are on dementia floors with
nonviolent patients, so it's high risk and government is aware,
sot US to health Authority and the nursing Union is
speaking about staff safety and injuries and patient injuries as well.

(02:06:42):
All this has to be documented and reported if there's
an incident and then it goes straight to four managers
on the floor or and the head management of the
health authority. So why are we following worked to all
this injury and people escaping.

Speaker 2 (02:07:08):
Good question, and it kind of depends on the setting,
right I mean, the ward for North b at the
Health Sciences Center is not equipped for the type of
protection and safety required by some dementia patients, like in
a long term care facility where they have constructed them
for that exact reason, So I guess it makes it
kind of means something about the setting as much as

(02:07:29):
the precautions that you rightfully point out, and I'm glad
you did. You've had the last word this morning. Thank
you for calling.

Speaker 8 (02:07:35):
Thank you, Patty, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (02:07:37):
Bye bye. All right, there we go, a good show today,
big thanks towelve hands. We will in need pick up
this conversation again to aw morning right here on VOCM
and big landfm's Open Line on behalf of the producer
David Williams. I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun,
happy day. We'll talk in the morning. By bye.

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