Monday Oct 6th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line calls seven oh nine, two seven,
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Newfoundland and Labradors starts now. Here's VOCM Open Line host

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Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
so much for tuning into the program. It's Monday, October
the sixth. This is open Line. I'm your host Patty Daily,
David Williams. He's produced the program. Let's get the week
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one one. Elsewhere a total free long distance one eight
eight eight five ninety VOCM, which is eighty six twenty six.
So it's not like we're going to plan some parade
route in Toronto for the Blue Jays, but pretty fun
weekend to open up the Division Championship series against the
New York Yankees. I was worried about the long ball.
The Jays win yesterday thirteen to seven, Vladi with a

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Grand Slam, which was pretty sweet to see. We out
homered the Yankees in two games, eight to one, outscored him.
What was it, twenty three to seven, twenty three to eight,
So yeah, it's a three out of five series. Got
to go back to the Bronx now and take him on.
But pretty cool start, and even if you're a casual
Blue Jay fan, just to watch the rookie postseason debut
of young twenty two year old Trey Savage was remarkable.

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Ed's has good to pitching performance as we've seen from
anybody anywhere in the majors this year. Talk about the
pressure in front of forty four one thousand screaming fans,
and he was lights out franchise record with eleven strikeouts,
which is wild, and the standing all upon him being
taken out of the game, which in some corners was controversial.
I thought it was there any thing to do. But anyway,
five and a third, no hits eleven K's man. Pretty

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special stuff and the Jays go tomorrow night in New
York to see what we can see. All right, Congratulations
to the lads. Tim Gushu, nice win over the weekend
at the Points Bet Invitational. They were out in Calgary
for that particular event, so they take it next up
to the Grand Slam occurred and co Op Tour Challenge
in Niskou, Alberta. The fourteenth of this month through the
nineteenth and tomorrow's the deadline to sign up for the

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early early bird opportunity to buy some tickets to go
to the Montana Briar coming in February next year. Here
at Mary Brown Center, you sign up with Canada Curling
to get a chance at one of those five hundred
tickets before the rest of us get a swing at
it on the ninth of the month. Okay, so not
surprisingly read a story in the news this morning about
agriculture and some of the fallout of the very hot,

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dry summer. We've heard farmers talking about, you know, the
lack of water consequently the lack of growth, the poor yield,
and even something as fundamental as access to hay. So
I hear some farmers say, you know, in years pass
they'd be selling hay bales for decorations for Halloween. What
have you now? Going to restrict the sales strictly to
farmers because going at the hay twice a year is

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generally the norm. And you see one farmer talk about
the fact they've had only five hundred and ninety bails
this year compared with fifteen hundred in years past. The
trend doesn't look like it's coming back to worth in
so far as hot and dry goes. So really hoping
to speak with someone in the agricultural sector, hoping to
speak with a farmer or two or more today about
what the I guess what Plan B looks like because

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they talk about irrigation, but irrigation only works if you
have access to the water reservoir required. We've talked about
communities and their reservoirs drying up, so this poor yield
is obviously a problem for the farmer. So really I
need someone with some position of authority to tell us
what they see on their property, on their farm. So
a pretty severe shortage, but at the same time, good

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conversation with one of the partner, the founder of the
Food Producers Forum last week. That was Dan Rubin talking
about the need to change our mindset about what we
can and cannot do, what we can and cannot grow here,
and when we can grow it, We've got to stop
leaning in on the number of ninety percent of what
we consume is important because that's simply a number reflected
at the retailer level as opposed to all the food

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produced here, whether it be through livestock or root vegetables,
whatever the case may be. Municipalities need to get on
board as well. They're governing their bylaws about backyard farming
and homesteading based on British law from nineteen forty seven.
You know, we're not suggesting, or I'm not suggesting that
everyone's going to have a rooster living next door, or

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everyone's going to have full complement of cattle in the backyard,
but change in the way we go about this, because
if you're the grocery shopper like I am, any opportunity
to reduce your cost for some of the base fundamentals
is something a lot of people are leaning in on.
Backyard farming or backyard gardening and or homesteading has grown

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in popularity exponentially for obvious reasons. Then even the community
know the community aspect the sharing of and the bartering of.
So hopefully number one speak with a farmer here this morning,
and number two for municipalities to understand what we can
and cannot do or should be allowed to do in
our backyards. Also with the world of hydroponics, you hear

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me talking about maybe the problems should be involved in
upfront investment in hydroponics to be run by private business.
Peppered all around the province. People always ask me about
the status of the Canopy hydroponic facility on the White Hills.
Excellent question, trying to find out exactly what's going on there,
who owns it, was, the status of the least and
when the province might be able to use it to

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provide for low income families, for instance, out of that
particular hydroponic facility that had never grown About of marijuana
first and or last? All right. Also read a story
this morning about how disillusions some people might be living
in more remote parts of the province. And they say,
you know, not the direct quotas you know. Sometimes what

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actually I got it writ in front of me. We
don't see nobody down there. All you hear of in
the news is from what's happening in Saint John's. I
always had the order peninsula could break off, drift out
to sea and they not even know we're gone. There's
probably some truth to that speak with any actual lived experience,
because I don't live on the GNP or smaller remote
parts of the province. But your voice, what you need,

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absolutely welcome on this program. Shack the townies, even though
we're downey. So, whether it be conversations regarding farming and
or fishing and or forestry mining, whatever the case may be.
And for some reason, what has totally dropped off the
radar is some of the more rural parts of the
province that still have these wind to degreen hydrogen to

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ammonia for export proposals sitting in front of the government
and sitting on the desks of the proponents and very
little too no action on it. So rural votes and
what's important, let's do it. Also in the world of
healthcare and for more rural parts of the province. You know,
we'll hear various politicians talking about trying to staff up

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those hard to fill jobs, but there's a lot that
goes with it. Housing an opportunity for the partners of
whether it be a nurse practitioner, registered nurse, family doctor,
whatever the case may be. So we had to broaden
our conversation on that front. And the vague reference to
incentives to work in rural is also needs a little
bit more detail, just to get back to the captive

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audience that would be young men and women in school
training to be any healthcare professional, from laboratory, medical assistance
or technicians. All the way through being mds, you hear
stories all the time that one graduate or another and
one school or another wasn't even offered a job. Now,
Nal Health Services dispels that sometimes saying yes, everyone's been

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offered a job, and we'll just take nursing for instance.
Is there a sound reason other than money why not
every single graduating nurse has been offered a full time,
permanent contract. That's what people want. And if you have
other provinces, whether it be quietly or aggressively, trying to
recruit graduates from our schools not good enough. Same thing

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with the medical school.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
A month.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
What are the job offers looking like? I mean things
like return of service agreements? And I keep being told
that we can't do that, the professionals don't want it. Well,
it's what we need. It's got to be a big
part of the conversation as well. Look at the fact
that any doctor recruited from outside the country has to
come and work under a five year return of service agreement,
so they have to work where we need them for

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the minimum of five years. So are we not offering
every single graduate strolling across the stage at the Arts
and Culture Center to receive their diploma? Do they not
have a job offer in their back pocket? And if not,
why not? Maybe it's a bit more simplified than it
necessarily needs to be. But anyway, you won't take it on.
We can do it all right. And in the world

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of health care and advocacy, I know that the PCs,
mister Wakem is promising to create an independent body that
would be the disability's advocate, similar to the other advocate
positions who answer to the House of Assembly, not to Cabinet,
not to the Premieer, the answer to the body at
full It's overdue, I mean the Liberals said they would
do but have not done it as of yet. For

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one third of the population to not have an advocate
in their corner, such as the disabled community, it's long overdue.
Mister Wakem talks about funding US some four hundred thousand
dollars in year one, okay, and this is not a
question for mister wakem or any particular party, is is
it time to review not only the creation of this

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new long overdue disabilities advocate, but exactly what their mandate
would be, whether it be the general terms of systemic issues,
like the Senior's Advocate just deals with the general issues
versus the ability to champion one particular cause or another,
which I think is maybe splitting a hair. But if
one advocate or another is taking on one particular individual

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or family's case, it does represent many more or others
with very similar life circumstances that the outcome can be
a resolution or a better pathway forward for many. We
just put a family name in a face to one
of these causes and being the champion that the advocates
need to be, because sometimes I think when the general
terms are spoken to, it maybe doesn't paint the clear

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enough picture. Because if we're talking about one person or
one family and you can spell out exactly what's going
on in their world, and you put a face to
the cause, a face to the name, a face to
the issue, I think that has a little bit more
impact with the general public. That's just my thoughts. Your thoughts, obviously,
welcome on that front. Public safety. Okay, so we all

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know that many people in the province feel less safe
and the crime numbers coming from Stats Canada are what
they are and no hyperbole required to talk about it.
Then there's a news release coming from the organization representing
the end part of me, the RCMP. So let's see,
I gotta get it right, the National Police Federation. They're

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talking about equitable funding for the RCMP when compared to
funding for the r NC. All right's get into some
of this stuff. The RCMP serves the majority of the province.
Members of the NLRCNP are responsible for policing over fifty
five percent of the population across eighty percent of the
land mass of the province, most often of course, from

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world and remote communities, diverse geography, access and complex and
increasing needs. Let's get into some of the what people
think about the RCMP. Apparently this year Polary Strategic Insights
did a poll out in the community. Four or five
new planners have a favorable view of the aircnp URCMP

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members continue to work with fewer resources. In recent years,
service calls in RCNP areas service areas grows by twelve percent.
Mental health dated calls served by seventy percent. At the
same time, the RCMP's officer to resident ratio has declined.
Its budget increased by just fifteen percent compared to twenty
two percent increase for the r and C. Okay, there's

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a pretty clear message coming from the National Police Federation.
In addition to funding support which is obviously required, whether
it be for hiring more officers and work around prosecutors,
whatever the case may be, it's also how many people
are out there today that want to are willing to
join the ranks of law enforcement. You know, we've seen

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an increase in bursaries for folks interest in joining the
r n C. We do have a couple of graduating
classes going through the turn. But in addition, you know,
it's very much akin to incentives for healthcare professionals. Are
there actually the numbers of actual human beings that are
wanting to join the force that are standing back because
of funding from the top, I'm not so sure. But

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your thoughts on it in anything in the world of
public safety, let's take it on all right. Obviously, campaign
time everything becomes a political hop potato. And now it's
the thought about exon mobile cutting. Some two percent of
its global workforce and what that means for operations here.
And we know that Exon Mobile, of course, has played
a really massive role in the oil business here, the

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operator out at Hibernia, the operator at Hebron. They've continue
to do some exploration, although exploration has fallen off the
cliff in this province in recent years. So the assertion
is that it's because of the current government that Ximobile
may shift some of its resources that would be working
and living in St. John's, for instance. I'm not so

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sure how that works. But inside the industry itself, I
also hear people clamoring for Beta Noort in particular, to
be added to the federal government's nation building project list.
It's ready to go. It's fully in the hands of
Equinor to make a final investment decision. But how would
we have a politician craft a message that would suggest

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that Beta Noor it is a nation building project? Because
is it? Possibly there's a role that federal government could
absolutely play in Beta Noort, even though all the final
approvals and releases from environmental assessments have been done and
they're in the rearview Mayor. But how does that work? Also,
you know, it becomes really quite tedious when we hear
all these big reports that commissioned. Some are allowed to see,

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some are not allowed to see. But some of these
big concepts of what becomes of the future of the NLC,
what becomes a motor vehicle, we know it has become
a bull arm. There's a full time leasey on site
now and hopefully they're super aggressive. No reason to believe
they won't be. But in the world of oil, you know,
the toy set is a terrible idea and indicative of
the liberals wanted to get out of support of the

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oil industry in full, even though I'm not so sure
that's what anybody said. But where are we with this stuff?
Like the equity stakes in our offshore operations, they're pretty significant.
Four point nine percent equity position at Hebron, eight point
seven percent at High Burning South Extension, five percent of
the White Rose Extension project, and of course all the

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IP or the intellectual property held by Oilco, which of
course our own gas corporation. You know, it's got to
be worth something, and selling off equity doesn't mean you're
no longer in in one industry or another, because what
we do not hear from virtually anybody running is how
that money might be able to be reflected in debt

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and deficit. I know, everybody wants what they want when
they wanted, and the campaign promises are running fast and furious.
You know, people talking about cutting taxes and everyone wants
to pay less tax I get that, But we really
need politicians to understand debt and to talk about it,
and to not be afraid to talk about it. It's
not very sexy. It doesn't put any food on the table,

(15:32):
it doesn't reroduce the cost of groceries. But people talk
about what kind of world or problems we're leaving for
our children and our grandchildren. Well, boys, if we don't
talk about that one, then the world that you hope
to leave behind is going to be less than what
it is today. If we can't wrap our mind around
what we're doing with the debt. I know people kind
of get sick of hearing about that, but that's that anyway,

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Let's go oh yes, And of course the upper church
will MoU and what that money might mean and some
of the flaws inside this and the information that flows
from outside, some of which is completely exaggerated. But let's
talk about it. There's a confused general public out there
regarding one of the biggest issues facing the people of
the province, you know, issues that's going to have fifty

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sixty year impact. It would be super if we could
get it boiled down to and ensure that we're only
debating and talking and discussing factual matters, factual shortcomings, factual benefits.
Because at this moment of time, I guess I can
only speak for me and the people I've talked to
about it. Confusion is much more a popular sentiment than

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concrete understanding of what is a hugely complicated issue. We're
talking about half a trillion dollars worth of stuff over
fifty sixty years. But we're going to put it back
out there if you're so inclined. Pretty much last one
before we get to you, we were going to talk
about some of Canadian American relationships and the Prime ministers
going to Washington tomorrow and that's all about trade. Maybe
I'll save some of that for tomorrow. But with the

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Upper Churchill or any of the drive of electricity and
the need for on the supply side and then the
demand side is people keep throwing artificial intelligence data centers
out there. Had a great call last week from someone
who's absolutely informed about artificial intelligence, and notably the electricity,
the power required to fuel and to fire up these

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data centers, of which is complete madness. You know, two
percent of the world's power that's generated just sucked in
by these data centers so that we can create these
fun little videos and deep fakes. And you know, there
is some positive applications of AI. We talked electricity regarding
those centers. Let's talk about water. You know, we're blessed

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with a lot of fresh water in this province and
how it gets utilized, of course part of the conversation.
But AI is a global issue. Let's look at some
water related numbers in organ Google. Of course they are
all in on AI, as is Meta and Zuckerberg, as
is Bezos and some of the other heavy hitters in
this world. Organ Google fought to keep water record secret

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because our data centers were pulling so much groundwater. They
actually had to renegotiate new water deals. Arizona, in drought
stricken areas, town officials literally had to hault any new
developments because the water grid could not handle it. Utah,
the locals are all over these AI data centers looking
for a transparency because they are draining supplies while the

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Great Salt Lake continues to shrink the Netherlands, Microsoft's data
center in North Holland guzzled eighty four million leaders of
drinking water in one year, and what was going on
during that year a heat wave in Chile. Critics found
Google's new center could consume seven billion leaders in a
country where half the population already lives in drought stricken areas.

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In Ireland, data centers now weight of twenty two percent
of the nation's electricity. That's more than all urban households combined.
So yes, it's going to be helpful in healthcare using
artificial intelligence and generative models and chat GIPT and creating
all these videos and sharing the content and walking around
with the AI influenced glasses on. But we're kind of

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missing the point about how much power takes and how
much water it needs for cooling. It's remarkable when you
look at the numbers. We're on Twitter or VOSIM, open
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When we go back, let's have a great show that
can only happen if you're in the queue to talk
about whatever's on your mind. Don't go away. Oh, welcome
back to the show. Let's go Lee number one and
say good morning to one of the candidates running award

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number two. That's Brenda Halle. Brenda, you're on the air.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
How are you very well? Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 5 (19:32):
Good Patty.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
I'm calling in today to talk about sustained modes of transportation. Okay,
that's about lessening our reliance on curves, just for the
health of the environment as well as ourselves, you know,
improving accessibilities for public transit. You know, the frequency of
the bosses is something that we really need to discuss.

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I know, earlier last year, boss shelters were removed from
various parts of the city.

Speaker 7 (19:58):
Excuse me, we didn't.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Root causes, We just took down the shelters.

Speaker 6 (20:02):
And you know, we have some really harsh weather and
it's really difficult to stand out in our elements without
standing in a bus shelter, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, I mean one of the most recent reports on
public transportation had a keen focus on bush shelters. I mean,
we know that in some areas of the city they
were removed because they became the home of drinking and
drug use and prostitution and violence. And so I get that,
but not every part of the city feels like that
around a bus shelter. But yet the report was clear,

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unless we had improved bus shelters, usage is not going
to go up. But at the same time usage is up,
you know, some of it associated with the immigrant population,
some of it associated with free bus passes for low
income people living in and around town. So yeah, anyway,
I didn't mean to steal the thunder. You go ahead, Brenda.

Speaker 8 (20:51):
No, no, it's a sheer thunder.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
I agree.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
You know, our weather is really harsh, and you know,
having worked in the healthcare system.

Speaker 8 (20:59):
For almost thirty years, I can remember people missing their
appointments with psychiatrists for example, which we had to wait
for about two years to get in anyway, but you know,
they'd go from downtown, transfer at the Avalon Mall or
the village and go to another you know route where
they'd have to stand out in the cold before they'd

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ever get to the appointment.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
So a lot of times appointments.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
For miss So it didn't make sense for a bunch
of reasons, you know, So I think we've got to
get you know, smurter about how ways we can decrease
the barriers for folks.

Speaker 6 (21:34):
But one of the things I've thing today about is
specifically real excuse me, I really want to only five
My family were bikers, but just engaging people to wheel
walk or cycles, and I just some of the barriers
to wheeling, walking and cycling.

Speaker 9 (21:52):
In particular.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
For my call today, Patty is equipment such as helmets
for kids, and so we were wanting to do this
after the election, but the election because it has moved
to the eighth of October, I'm doing a helmet drive
in partnership with Bicycle NL and we're doing fifty helmets

(22:15):
for fifty heads. You know, there's a lot of kids
that I see around that are not wearing helmets, and
I don't know if it's you know, a financial barrier,
if it's a cultural.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
Thing that we don't know, but we really.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
Need helmets on heads because we only actually have one head,
so we have to be careful, you know.

Speaker 10 (22:35):
To protect that.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
So on October the thirteenth holiday, the Thanksgiving holiday, at
Victoria Park, between two pm and three pm, we're going
to do a helmet stuff and Patty. If people want
to donate money, we can go to Brenda HALLI dot
CA and there's a go fumne account for that.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
But I also wanted to say that the local bike.

Speaker 6 (22:59):
Shops have donated some helmets, so Free Ride as well
as Canary have donated helmets.

Speaker 11 (23:05):
For this with bike l and myself.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
So we're going to be doing it at Bishop or
Victoria Park October thirteen.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
To two pm to three pm. Hopefully everybody comes out.
We've invited Bishop Abraham School. It's one of the schools
that we identified as kids that don't have enough helmets,
and of course Bishop wields you know, and it's.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
The law, you know. I will I will add to
it the popularity, the growth of popularity of these electric scooters.
I mean, look, they look super fun to me and
some of them look super quick. But the number of
people wearing a helmet versus a number of people not
wearing a helmet, the non helmets are winning by a
landslide at this moment of time, which I mean, I
don't know how people make these decisions. I'm not new

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to be preachy, but you know, bop in your head
doesn't mean just the possibility for a bump means the
possibility of a traumatic brain injury. It means the possibility
of changing your life forever. So I can't believe there's
not actually a lot of have to wear a helmet
on those schooters either. Yeah, absolutely, I.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
Once I get elective, is one of the that I
want to bring to the table at city Hall and
see who else we need at the Table's funny story.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Mike, I don't know. I didn't cut her off a
bunch anyway. Let's see here. We'll try to get to
the breakout time. Vicky or next used to say a
relative of Sadie Mees. I do I know who Sadie
mes is? Is she involved with the flotilla? Possibly? Anyway,
that's checking out on the Twitter box, Revisimo polog you

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know what they do, email addresses opelanafiosim dot com. Let's
see here. So there was a bunch of people chimed
in my comments about artificial intelligence, and you know, some
of it's kind of lame, saying why do I hate technology?
That's not it. What we're doing is trying to expand
the conversation about AI as a fun tool and it
can be helpful too. It's going to end up being

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in that negative tool, I would suggest, But even things
like people talk about the dearth or critical thinking, the
dearth of critical thinking. I mean, the MIT Media Lab
had three groups to write an sat essay, and one
of them just used one of the generator of models
of AI like chet GPT, another one just used Google,
and the third set just used their own mind. The

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outcomes were crystal clear. The critical thinking loss with relying
fully on AI is not going to be helpful in
the long term. So I'm not suggesting that you should
not use AI if it works for you individually and
or your business and or your industry. Fair enough, But
what we don't hear enough about is just amount of
electricity socked in by these data centers. We don't talk

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about the amount of water required for cooling in these
data centers. I don't know how that makes anybody anti tech,
but it certainly points a very clearer picture than just saying, oh,
isn't this fun? Look at this video that I created.
It only took me two hours, but it took me
enough electricitya to power of my home for a month.
Let's go ahead and get that break and don't away.

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Welcome back quickly. Before we get to the phones, if
you lost your keys for your Kia vehicle around the
tax chasing center on Empire Revenue, they were found Sunday morning.
I know who has them. So if you lost your
Kia vehicle keys, we can hopefully reconnect you with them.
Just let me know. Let's go to line number two.
VICKI are on the air.

Speaker 12 (26:28):
Hi, Patty, thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
I just wanted to.

Speaker 12 (26:34):
I just wanted to chat a little bit about the
six Canadian passport holders that are currently on board the Conscience,
one of the boats that is part of the Freedom
flotilla to bring aid to Gaza. Three of those Canadian
passport holders are intelligent and passionate young people from right
here in Saint John's Devannie Ellis, Nikita Stapleton, and Sadie Me.

(26:59):
Sady Me is a relative of mine and someone that
I care about very much, and I'm asking the people
of Newfoundland and Labrador to help bring her home safely.
There are ways that we can do that, I know. I,
for one, have kind of been sitting back and watching

(27:21):
this genocide happen because I felt pretty helpless and not
really sure what it is that I could do, And
Sadie and the others have inspired me to be a
little more vocal in things like making this phone call
to you, just to help bring awareness again some of
the things we can do to help Vicky.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I'm sorry to interrupt up before we get into how
we can help to get Sadie home safe. Where was
she today, what's the status, what she doing, how was
she those types of things.

Speaker 12 (27:49):
Yeah, so I think their spirits are pretty good, all
things considered. They are just a matter of days away from,
you know, reaching the shores of Gaza, which is the
mission is to reach that shore and bring aid to
the Palestinians, the innocent people that you know, the genocide

(28:12):
is happening to.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Before they get to.

Speaker 12 (28:15):
Those shores, they have to sail through what's called the
Yellow Zone. That's the zone where the IOF has been
known to be boarding these these boats that are there legally,
so they're being boarded illegally, and they are being detained,

(28:36):
and they're being taken back to military facilities where we
know that these these facilities are known from this treatment
of the people, the innocent people that they're holding there
and I'm scared, and I feel that everybody should be scared.

(28:59):
And again, there's things that we can be doing to
make sure that this mission is successful, that they reach
those shores with the aid, and that we bring these
three New fer Landers back.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Absolutely and unharmed.

Speaker 13 (29:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Do people have access to Sadie and the other members
of the flotilla and August we'll steps okay, yeah.

Speaker 12 (29:22):
Yeah, so uh, Sadie and the others on the boat.
The conscience can be tracked. I feel that that's one
of the things that we should be doing constantly, is
tracking that boat. And you can do that very easily
just by going to Freedom Flotilla dot org. You can
google how to track it. It's going to take you

(29:43):
to right to the website where we can be tracking.
The more eyes across the world that are watching this boat,
the better. The more awareness is going to be brought
to the genocide that that is happening. I mean, the
un announced I don't know why it took so long,

(30:03):
but you and announced on September sixteenth that Israel is
in fact committing genocide in Gaza. And I think we
need to be as a nation, as a world, every
country in the world to be doing what they can
to stop it.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I think more eyes are now trained in on what's
happening in Gaza.

Speaker 12 (30:26):
You know, they sure are.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, it feels that way to me. Anyway to hear
being discussed at the highest levels of government, both in
Israel and other parts of the Middle East, and of
course here in North America specifically in the United States,
is they're basically just talking about it like the real
estate transaction. It really does betray atrocity.

Speaker 12 (30:47):
Interestingly, that's kind.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Of how it's been boiled down to in certain corners.
I know there's a peace proposal on the table yet
to be discussed, but we haven't talked enough about, you know,
the bare fundamentals, regardless of your support or for Israel
or for Palasine or anything else in this world. For decades,
we have long understood the weaponization of humanitarian aid food
in particular is a war crime, not because I say so,

(31:10):
because the modern world has agreed to it decades ago.
So alarming. Pardon me, you're dead.

Speaker 12 (31:18):
On that's exactly right. And I mean, if what's happening
in Gaza doesn't define, you know, our definition of a gendocide,
I just I don't understand why it's been.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Going on for so lonth and people will, you know, say, well,
it's not that it's this whatever it is in anybody's mind,
whether it be ethnic cleansing or genocide or the results
of October the seventh, which is a complete confusion of
the past number of decades regarding intentions in that part
of the world. We've just got to, i think, collectively
understand that if you question the behavior of IDF in

(31:55):
Gaza Westbank what have you, that is not what is
actual anti Semitism. That's a reflection of what's going on
in the ground. It's not based in religion, it's based
in action. But yet we seemingly kind of have the
conversation because it gets so quickly derailed as you're either
a racist or you're anti Samite or your whatever brand
that people like to attach to you, versus have a conversation.

Speaker 12 (32:17):
I agree, I agree. My purpose of the call today
and to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador is despite
what you all the things that you just said, I
think what we need to recognize is that again there
are three intelligent, young, passionate people from Saint John's that

(32:42):
felt compelled they felt that they had no choice but
to get on a boat heading for known danger in
an effort to bring aid to an entire population of
people that are being it's a manufactured famine. And I

(33:03):
don't feel anyone should have to be on that boat.
But I am inspired to be more vocal and to
take more action as I can, as much as I
can here by Devanne, Nikita and Sadie and again keeping
your eyes on them, you know, contacting our you know,

(33:25):
our governments, asking them to stop sanctions and asking them
to protect this boat that fixed Canadian passport holders are on.
And I think that's important, and I know that more
flotillas are going to follow until this genocide stops. You know,
if if if the genocide stops, if if if it

(33:49):
again it's a manufactured famine, there's no aid in the
world that's actually going to fix the problem.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
What's going to.

Speaker 12 (33:56):
Fix the problem is is stopping the illegal occupation of Gata.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
And I didn't mean to derail the focus of your
callerer of this morning, just adding context so that we
you know, maybe open up a few more ears, but
absolutely the protection of anyone involved in trying to provide eight,
whether it be in this freedom fu Tailler or ones
yet to come is of course paramount I understand and full.
So in addition to writing Members of Parliament and the

(34:24):
PMO and what have you, are there any specific other
maybe smaller gestures or larger gestures that you would suggest
listeners should consider.

Speaker 12 (34:32):
Pay attention, don't turn away from the images that you're seeing.

Speaker 9 (34:37):
You should be upset by them.

Speaker 12 (34:39):
You should feel compelled to do something about it, whether
it's you know, talking about it, sharing the information that
you're seeing, tracking that boat and bringing my fadie home.
Those are very minor things you can be doing that
are going to go a long way. Let those people
know that you're watching them, and let you know the

(35:01):
rest of the world you know that they should be watching.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Vicky, I appreciate your time. Please keep in touch, let
me know what's happening, and fingers crossed for everybody's safe return. Yes,
thank you, you're welcome. Bye bye. The immediate backlash or
feedback that we get on calls such as that is
not surprising, but like most of the most traumatic conversations,

(35:28):
it would be really helpful if we were all willing
to gage, regardless of your point of view, on these
major issues, whether it be internationally, domestically, provencally, whatever the
case would be, is I think we owe to ourselves
to have maybe more in the way of conversation as
opposed to people thinking that it's a zero sum game.
I must win and you must lose in a conversation

(35:50):
about things as emotional, as traumatic, as impactful as things
like Vicky just brought up here this morning, and most
every other conversation that has significant ramifications today and into
the future. I just you know, I think we can
all do a little bit better there. No one has
to try to win. Let's see we take a break
on time here. John, you're in the queue. He's out
in Grandpall's winds or talk long term care? How else

(36:12):
are we doing on the phone there, Dave? And then
we'll speak with you. Don't go away, welcome back to
the show. Let's go to the Lineumber three. John, you're
on the air, all right, okay, how about you?

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Thank you very much, Tish version. Before I was breaking
get out in line, I heard a political add for
John Whaler.

Speaker 11 (36:32):
That's not me, okay, but but he's my cousin.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Very well. Of course, John Whalen is running for the
Liberals here in uh Pleasantville.

Speaker 14 (36:47):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Yeah, we don't agree politically, but I think we'll both
agree that his father, also named John Whalen, was one
of the finest people we ever knew. But anyway, what
I'm calling to you about today, Patty, is about long
term care in the province. I may the chair of

(37:12):
the Resident Family Council for Grandfall's Windsor Long Term Care,
which is the new long term care home that was
built along Exploits River, doesn't have a name yet unfortunately,
so that's why I'm got to go with the long
name Grandfall's Winter Long Term Care. There are people in

(37:34):
the in the in the community who refer to it
as the P three, which really annoys me because I say,
it's not a P three. It's a place where people live.
So if you want to call the PTL, that's fine.
But anyway, the reason for my call today is that

(37:54):
in January of this year, the provincial government released a
long term care and Personal Care home reviews with a
number of recommendations, and thus we have heard nothing about
how those number of large number of recommendations are going

(38:19):
to be implemented. I was speaking to the Premier himself.
Actually a couple of weeks ago, he was here in
Grandpall's Windsor for Senior Wellness there and I asked him,
you know, point blank about the implementation. Now. He reminded
me that the you know, his liberal government had accepted

(38:45):
all the recommendations. But that wasn't my question. I said,
when are they going to be implemented? And like I said,
we have heard nothing about that. The most important, well,
just one of those recommendations is is this one in

(39:06):
long term care, increase the direct hours of care for
residents and adjustice, steel mix and staffing model to ensure
staff are working to full scope. Now, one of those
one of those actions required for that is in year one,
increase the average direct care hours nurse for nursing let's

(39:28):
PC's LPNs and our ends from an average to three
point four hours per resident per day to three point
seven hours per resident per day, and by year two
increases to four point zero hours per resident per day.

Speaker 15 (39:46):
Now, those numbers probably don't mean much to your listeners,
but my wife's sue, for example, is in a wing
of the Grandpa's winter long term care called Waterfall Way.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
And hello, I'm just listening, John.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't sure. But anyway, the difference
between three point five and four hours in Waterfall Way,
where my wife Stone lives, would be seven and a
half hours, which would be like, that's a that's a

(40:29):
full employee, right, eight hours a day. And what's really
frustrating for us in particular is that we had three
point seven hours for about a year and a half
and it about a year ago, and that's you know,
that was put forward by local Our local managers made

(40:51):
that happen, but they were compelled to go back to
three point five hours because that's the provincial standard. Wanting
to do this report. The average it's not not even
it was lower than three point five, it's three point four.
And like I said, I'd like to know where the
various political parodies are on the implementation of this of

(41:14):
the recommendations of this report, And like I said, I'm
just got one for you there on staffing, which is
you know, like I said, they could have done that
for Grandfather's winsor long term tier. They could have done
that immediately because they've all they already knew how to

(41:35):
provide that three point seven hours in our home.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
There's a lot to it, so it's important to note
this has been in the works a long long time.
The review was commissioned in February twenty twenty three, is
my recollection eventually, and we were told at that time
the public will be made aware of the recommendations and
the findings within like eight months, And then it was
February twenty twenty five when they finally released it. There
was twenty three recommendations. There were seven specific about individuals

(42:04):
as opposed to operations, and you know, just to expand
this a little further, you know this, I think this
all started with the ability or the want to keep
couples together entering long term care, regardless of their level
of need. But then we talked about things like the
use of restraints, the inappropriate use of antipsychotic meat medications.
We talked about the fact that for the most part,

(42:25):
they're unable to have their own build their own routine.
So that's a resident specific level of care that we've
got to hit and some of that comes with staffing levels,
same thing with limiting falls. What was the other phrasing,
something like, you know, create your own physical functioning, habits, routines,
throughout the course of the day, which almost everything boils

(42:48):
back to staffing levels.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Yeah, it seems to me like you know more about
what's industry port or the people running through office right
now up here to though, because like I said, we've
heard nothing about the implementation.

Speaker 16 (43:05):
Of these.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
You know, numerous and very reasonable recommendations.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Well, I'm glad you called on it because I have
in the recent past talked about the Auditor General's review
of personal care homes and operational standards that haven't been
updates since two thousand and seven, those types of things.
We've heard some talk about long term care on the
campaign trail, you know, specifically the NDP talk about keeping
couples together. We also hear a lot of talk about
aging in place, but institutionalizing seniors in long term care

(43:36):
is still going to be part of the offerings into
the future. So, now that you've put this back on
my front burner, I'll go back and read some of
that report later on this evening to see if I
can refresh my memory on certain things regarding meal plans
and all that that was involved in it. I can't
recall all them off the top of my head, but
I'll have another look this afternoon.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Yeah, five is the recommendation on staffing. If you're ok
you wanting to find that for sure? It was a
very dense report.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Well, I remember having my first look at it and
when I clicked open the link, I think it said
page one of like two hundred and three or something
if I'm not mistaken. So there's a lot there. I
will have a look again this afternoon, but I appreciate
you bringing it up this morning, John, anything else you'd like.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
To say, h No, I'd like to know if I
could call later in the week because I'd be interested
in maybe addressing this again after the leader's debate on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yeah, let's try for it.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Okay, thank you very much, brother.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Thanks John, all the best, all right, bye bye. Yeah,
I'm glad that's back out there because there's a lot
of technical stem from it. Let's go to line for Helen.
You're on the air, Hi, I.

Speaker 17 (44:47):
Wonder if you could help me, Patty Hope. So I
was out doing grocery shopping and I was at Soby's
and I was at Dominion, and I was talking to
this lady and she knew me from past and anyway,
she's my I haven't passed away three months, I said,
I know, I'm sorry to hear that. I said, mine
is done nine years now, I said, but what gives
me great comfort is the fact that I have these

(45:09):
ashes in this hair and it hasn't been off my neck.
I said for almost that nine years, I said, I
showered with it on, and so I got one. But
I'm afraid I might lose it. I said, well, mine
is there, and so I came on home and got ready,
went out of bed. The next one, I got up
and went out to brush my teeth, and then when
I did, looked in the mirror and helped no change.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
It was gone.

Speaker 17 (45:32):
Oh my gosh. So right after that first thing, you know,
me lost. That's the second time I lost him. Heed No,
I lost him again, But in reality it's not.

Speaker 15 (45:41):
He'll always be with me.

Speaker 17 (45:42):
But I was just wondering if you could reach out
and put out to see if anyone had picked it up.
I'm after going up to dominion a couple of times,
and I've but now somebody might pick it up, a
child or a teenager and not know what's in it
and how valuable it is to me. But if you
could put it out there that anyone has it that
if they could turn me even to you know Carl,
he come here with it, or Big put them the

(46:04):
uc in and not pick it up. Whatever is it
more convenient for you, Helen?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Sobys in Dominion, what part of town.

Speaker 17 (46:12):
Plane okay for Showbies and Black Marsh rolled for Dominion,
So you're probably right.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Whoever picked it up doesn't really understand the importance of
it and what's included in the hearts dependent. So someone
absolutely has it. And if so, now that you know
how important it is to Helen, please do the contact
us and we will put you in touch with Helen
and see if we can't get that back in your hands.
And I really hope that happens.

Speaker 17 (46:36):
That'd be really good, Helen.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
What was your husband's name, Matthew?

Speaker 17 (46:41):
Matthew, And say, honey, he worked at He worked at
Dominion for four years and have all the places leave
in the product department. I think I lost him run
that way and that's where he worked for forty years.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Well, let's hope that brings some good vibes to its
safer term. But we'll do with everything we can, Helen.

Speaker 17 (47:00):
Yeah, and I want you to thank Dave he's a
great guy. And you you're investor of me and lightening
so many people with all the all the news that
you give us, what's going on? The only thing is
now I find it. I have no problem going to
for a walk in the night time, but now I'm
so scared. You know my door. What's going on here?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
It shouldn't be the way.

Speaker 17 (47:20):
Yeah, the world is gone.

Speaker 18 (47:23):
You can every day some of the stead someone is shot.

Speaker 17 (47:26):
Someone is broken too. So it's hardware, it lives confined.

Speaker 18 (47:29):
Some of it's been in prison.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, things have changed dramatically, and you take good care
of well do you.

Speaker 18 (47:39):
Keep up the good work pattern? You keep up the
good work. You're doing a great job. And so the
best year, because I know, call it to a car
and then show why make sure that everybody knows that
the U c M does care about other people.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Well, we care enough to really hope and see if
we can't get that necklace back in your hands.

Speaker 17 (47:56):
And around your head, oh my god, that would be
the wish my life.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Okay much, Hellen, good luck, thank you so much to
be here. You're welcome. Bye bye. All right, someone picked
it up right, and so it's just necklace and you know,
someone's PRETI me not going to miss it too too much,
and I like the look of it. Well, Helen's late
husband's ashes are independent. So now that you know what
that means to Helen, please do Indeed, if you have it,
I have no questions. Ask you get it to us.

(48:22):
We'll get it to Helen. Let's see here, let's take
a break for the news. When we come back, tons
of time left for you. Don't go away, welcome back
to the program. Will I take five here, Dave? Let's
see here. Am I going to take the number five?
It's not kicked into my system here quite Yeah, let's
go to the line number five Sycamore to one of
the candidates run for the deputy mayor of the city
Saint John's asks Rigel Penman, Ragel, you're on.

Speaker 13 (48:44):
The air, Hey, Betty, thanks very much for having me on.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
No problem at all, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (48:50):
I just wanted to get on the air and I
kind of talked a bit more about just how important
municipal politics really are and how much stuff we affect,
because I find when I go around and when I
talking to people, there's a lot of passion and a
lot of interest behind a lot of the same sort
of issues, you know, really basic bread and butter stuff
like snow clearing and transit improvement, what the city is
doing about housing and all of this stuff is the

(49:13):
type of thing that city hall does play a really
big role in. And so when I talk to people
who you know, kind of feel disenfranchised about wandering, does
their vote really matter? You know, I just want to
relign people as much as I can that it really
does matter. And you know, in the last election, like
I say, when I was looking at some of the
numbers for you know, the total number of votes that
sent councilors at large to office, you know, because those

(49:33):
are city wide positions that everyone can vote on, and
a lot of them were getting elected with you know,
between twelve and thirteen thousand votes. So in a city
this big, you know, with those types of numbers, people's
vote really do matter. And for those basic issues like
getting the snow cleared and you know, seeing our transit
services improve and all these other things, you know, the
city government has a big role to play. And when
I talk to, you know, people on the government side,

(49:54):
and you know kind of ask why there isn't more
movement in certain areas or why they aren't, you know,
more gauged on certain things. They tend to say that,
you know, their attention usually goes where they see the
votes coming from. And so you know, for any for
anyone who does feel like, you know there likes their
vote doesn't matter, or like it's not worth getting out,
it really is. And so yeah, I just wanted to

(50:15):
make sure people know that there is still time. The
election is on Wednesday. You can vote all the way
up till eight pm on election day at your polling place.
There's one in every ward. And yeah, whatever your issue is,
you know, whether you're mostly concerned about getting the snow cleared,
whether you want to see the city do more about
accessibility and getting around, you know, having your voice heard
and making and getting in touch with your elected officials

(50:39):
and your candidates and sending your preferred candidate to office
can really make a huge difference. So yeah, I just
wanted to encourage people to get out there and vote
and remind everybody just how much stuff city government does.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Let's dig into a couple of specific issues that you'd
like to focus in on as a candidate rival.

Speaker 13 (50:53):
Yeah, for sure, I think some of my stuff is
really those the bread and butter issues in the immediate future.
Like I say, no clearing is a big one, improving transit,
But for me, I also think that there's a lot
of stuff that the city government can do with using
tools that you know, really don't require money. It's just
kind of different application of our legislative effort. So one
of those is looking at how we rezone things to

(51:15):
allow for you know, to encourage more small locally owned business,
to allow for sort of a more diverse employment topper economy,
and to allow for sort of a more i think
healthy economy and supply chain. You know, we've seen out
here when there's you know, kind of shocks the system
and you have all of your supplies coming from a
few big companies, that can really cause a pretty big

(51:35):
impact in the community. Whereas I think when you see
more small locally owned businesses with you know, who are
sourcing their supplies from more domestic sources, you're going to
see an economy that's a lot more resilient to those
types of shocks and is going to be able to
keep people fed, keep the lights on, and you know,
keep functioning through more unsteady kind of economic waters a

(51:57):
lot more consistently, and so that's something that I can
have a big impact that I think city government could
be doing pretty immediately. And like I say, it doesn't
really need to spend any money upfront to make those changes.
We just kind of have to take them a little
more time to look at where we want to see
those businesses grow and kind of what we can do
to encourage them and to help them come along, like

(52:19):
we see some pockets of it to happen and already,
like you know, the Saint John's Farmers Market every Saturday
has loads of independent businesses setting up shop there, and
you know, when I go down there and talk to them,
a lot of stuff they talk about is you know,
having access to space, being able to get around, and
a lot of these really kind of simple fundamentals that
allow them to start growing their operations. And I think

(52:39):
that you know, everybody likes seeing those those locally owned
businesses succeed. And so when I look at what city
government can do to help in situations like that, I
think kind of simple tools like rezoning, looking at expedienting
KERMA applications, looking at simplifying kind of the number of
licenses you need to do sort of simple bread and
butter stuff is something is a step we can take

(53:02):
right away that would make life for those people who
are working to make our local economy better a lot easier.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Fair enough, when we talk about that economic chain and
the support for smaller businesses, there's probably a little bit
of a different approach required when we talk about businesses
operating in the downtown, for instance, versus other parts of
the city. So that's where that kind of conversation we
really need to focus in on, because what might be
leading to the concerns for a downtown business might not

(53:29):
be the same for business in Churchill Square. It might
not be the same for business our Ropak Lane. So
there are different needs and details required to support all
those businesses. It can't be just the blanket. I know
you agree with.

Speaker 13 (53:40):
That, Oh yeah, one hundred percent. And that's really kind
of what I was trying to trying to focus in
on as one of my policies was making sure that
you know, like when I say rezoning and kind of
reconsidering basic regulations, that we are doing exactly that we're
being aware of what the actual needs of these businesses
or industries are. For example, when I was down at

(54:01):
the farmer's market talking to somebody who does a lot
of work that kind of skirts the line between industry,
like you know, trades and artwork. You know, they do
a lot of work with you know, copper and other metals.
And they were sort of talking about their needs and
you know as a shop where they've got needs for
you know, certain needs for power and electricity and water

(54:22):
and drainage and all that and the ability to dispose
of you know, potentially hazardous material, whereas they're saying, you know,
other places that they other parts of their process or
other people they work with, you know, they might only
need you know, power for a sewing machine type of
thing to have their business operate. And so I think, yeah,
being aware of that type of need is really important. Like,
you know, one simple way I heard someone put it

(54:43):
once was, nobody wants to have a nuclear power plant
next to a preschool. Like you, we all agree we
want power produced, we all agree we want preschools, but
we need to be aware that we're we need to
be conscious about where we're putting these operations to make
sure that yeah, like you say, everybody's unique needs are
being met and that there aren't overlapping conflicts with each one.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
We try and set them up fair enough. I appreciate
the time you make for the show this morning. Good
luck on the trail. How's it going out there?

Speaker 13 (55:06):
Oh, it's it's good, you know. If anything, I wish
I had a little more time, although I'm really grateful
for the extra week. Although I wish it to you,
I appreciate that it came under sort of non ideal circumstances.
But yeah, like I said, I'm grateful for the opportunity
to try and get the message out and try and
encourage everybody to get out there and vote. And yeah,
so far, so far, it's been great.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Sure, good for you. Congratulations, I'm taking a swing at it.
I wish you good luck right on.

Speaker 13 (55:32):
Thanks very much, Prattie, you have a great day.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
The same too as Rocko Penman running for the deputy
mayor's chair here in the City of Saint John's. You know,
I saw talk about mail in ballots and the deadlines
we're getting the ballots back into the hands, you know.
Then I read an issue regarding trying to cast a
special ballot or simply mail in ballot if you live
out of province, and what the complications of the Canada

(55:55):
post strike mean. So the story went on to say that,
of course, because you can't put it in the regular mail,
then you have to put it in the hands of
a courier. So the simple cost if you are out
of problems for whatever reason and want to mail in
your value or special ballot, thirty four dollars was the
lowest cost this one lady could find, and it ranged
up towards one hundred dollars. How many people do you

(56:15):
think you're going to spend that kind of money simply
to cast the vote? Some might, of course, but others
probably not. That's a pretty significant chunk of change to
simply get a ballot in the hands of elections. I
l all right, let's take a break here. When we
come back, there's a caller. They wants to talk about
aging well at home and the scent free zones. Interesting,
let's go we welcome back to the program. Let's go
to lane number one. Good morning caller, are on the air.

Speaker 11 (56:39):
Good Boding Mission daily. Good morning, Yeah, I have all
the problems? Is that our premiers putting down there here?
I want to elaborate on one only that's the agent. Well,
at home seniors grant. Okay, what's actually what's actually is
he saying it's a hier job to understand?

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Are you asking me? What are you saying?

Speaker 11 (56:59):
Yeah, look, he's saying. He's saying that he's come premier.
This was a one time payment there last year, right,
you know for seniors four d dollars a month, that's
only a one time payment. And the cutoff was much
two twenty five for the final applications. A lot of
people applied for a lot of people got that four
hundred dollars. But I don't actually know what he's saying
about this one now he is important.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
What he said is that if they were elected, they
would double the grant from four hundred dollars to eight
hundred dollars. They would also double the caregiver grant from
four hundred dollars to eight hundred dollars. Then they did
increase the threshold for eligibility as well. That happened this year.

Speaker 11 (57:39):
Yeah, it did happen this year. But what actually he's
saying that increased increased the amount of four hundred dollars,
just coming out of the amount of four dollars a month.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
No, no problem, no it's an annual grant, right, So
that's what he said. I mean, this is not me
trying to put words in one's mouth. So the Aging
Well at Home grant is an annual grant. It's a
one timer per year. So he's saying that it'll go
from four hundred dollars to eight hundred dollars, and it
also increased the caregiver benefit from four hundred dollars to
eight hundred dollars. There's also a household so for couples,

(58:12):
the cutoff for what represents low income is forty nine
thousand dollars or less for couples of thirty two thousand
dollars or less for singles.

Speaker 11 (58:18):
Yeah, I've read it's what he was saying. But actually,
actually i've read it a couple of times. He's actually
saying four dollars a month, but he's not actually saying
it's a it's an annual payment, the one time payment.
It's just a month. So I'm to clarify that statement.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
What he's saying, right, I think that four hundred dollars
a month, but that's talking about the disability benefits, which
is different from the Aging Well at Home grant.

Speaker 11 (58:44):
Well, he is. Then he's not coming to he's not
connect to explain it the right way you understand, you know,
I'm certain stand it. But there I guess there's a
lot of people out there.

Speaker 14 (58:53):
But if you had to.

Speaker 11 (58:54):
Read between the lines what he's actually saying, you know,
if he's listening and get a clarified first I noticed
how it works seen as well home angry but actually
coming out a month. Just clarify, clarify word before he
come out and say it's actually a month. That's what
he's saying. But if we're going to come out and

(59:16):
say four hundre dollars a month a month, he should
say what he is annually one time paying. But he's
not saying that one time payn soet me speech. Go
over to speech and actually see what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yeah, I didn't hear or see the speech, but minor
sanding is exactly how I've explained it. Aging well at
home grant is an annual grant at four hundred dollars
is pledging to double. The disabilities benefit is up to
four hundred dollars a month for those who qualify, so
forty eight hundred bucks maximum annually and the twelve hundred
dollar contribution to the Disabilities Resuer Disability Savings Plans. So

(59:49):
there are two different things. If he didn't do a
very good job in distinguishing them, then I guess that's
on him.

Speaker 11 (59:56):
Yeah, well, then the skid beat. I can't rewind me
tape because I did, like I saying, I'm over and
over and over and over. I don't know if I'm
wrong or not, but that's actually what he's saying is,
so well, let it go for that and we say
it is that's misleading. The general public will be saying
four hundred dollars a month, and then then his conversation
is cut off, will add up to eight hundred dollars
a month if I'm elected. So that's all he's signing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Yeah, and I once again I didn't hear. But I'm
just trying to give you what I know to be
the facts about the two different benefits payments, the one
annual the one monthly. But and again it's not up
to me to try to decipher what politician or another says.
I get to speak to what I know to be true. Also,
did you want to talk about scent free zones?

Speaker 10 (01:00:36):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:00:37):
Son, you can't even win to an establish them by right,
like I'm allergic that that blasted stuff, right, same thing as,
same thing as the old marijuana people like Daniel Patty
or marijuana. You can't quit enjoy a bit of fresh air,
taking away my liberty right to wait and sit down
and a chair and enjoyed the sound reading the fresh
air ad, he said, he oh it's legalized. Yeah, you

(01:00:57):
know what I like saying to you as well, right,
you know, kept people say, oh yes, but you ain't
got the common saints, like people wanting into the establishments,
coldness out down McLoone and not having to respect for
people like me. And there's people like their luggers.

Speaker 14 (01:01:10):
I am like it.

Speaker 11 (01:01:11):
There's people like their likegg it that just can't be
around that blasted stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Right, I totally get it. It was never a problem
for me. I don't know if things are changing as
I get older, but it used to be like I
go to the drug store, you go in the main entrance,
you got to go through the cosmetics portion of the store.
It never used to bother me, but now it kind
of does. Even if I'm walking up and down the
aisle in the grocery store in the isle let's say,
has all the fabrics offerers and the urgeon and stuff

(01:01:35):
now more than ever I notice it. I mean certainly not.
I don't struggle with it like you possibly do, but
I do notice it more than I ever did in
the past.

Speaker 11 (01:01:44):
Yeah, but where I'm larger, getting my my o brothers,
we get a you know, there's a special detergent and
hand soap out there for us like that. There's a
power from free and fragment free. That's why that's why
we have it. That's why we got to buy it.
That's why we got to buy it. Not where we
can't wash our clothes in the ordinary laundryturn because we

(01:02:04):
have something like there now as paraphree and fragments free.
So that's what I've been using for the last six years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Let people know, fair enough. I don't know how many
people out there have a the d verse reaction to
some of these heavy scented clones and perfumes and charges
what have you, but I know it's a real thing obviously.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:02:26):
Well, do you mind me if I give you a
car some day to week?

Speaker 11 (01:02:29):
About to give you a car back about the update
on May vehicle. I haven't got time today Okay, I'll
enlighten me up about the satisfaction and the satisfaction I
got from the dealership there there in July. I mean,
you had to talk. But I'll give you a car
some day that we can give you an update on that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Yeah, maybe early next week, so we can give the
show a bit of breathing space. But I appreciate your
time this morning. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 11 (01:02:54):
Yeah, Okay, thank you, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Bye bye. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:02:57):
Again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
If one caller, or partly one politician or their kind
of conflates or jumbles a bunch of different policies and
pockets money into the same paragraph or sentence, it does
become difficult for people to decipher exactly what was being
spoken about. So all I can say is what I
actually read and know to be true regarding the aging
well at Home grant and the difference between that and

(01:03:19):
the new Flann Disabilities benefit payments, which are monthly with
a maximum four hundred dollars. There's all sorts of ways
that you can get less than four hundred dollars, but anyway,
let's keep going. Line number two, Gary around the air, Good.

Speaker 19 (01:03:31):
Morning, Patty. I've bet you're really happy about the good
news last night to the Blue Jays. Wow, what a
game happens?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah, I enjoyed it. You know, I'm one of those fans.
I don't live and die with every game, but the
teams that I cheer for they do well. Of course
I enjoyed it, and I certainly enjoyed the weekend of baseball.

Speaker 19 (01:03:46):
Oh yeah, they was so starting last night. You know,
you mentioned that you'd like to hear some good news,
and to me, that was a good news.

Speaker 7 (01:03:53):
Yes.

Speaker 19 (01:03:53):
To the trade date, trade date, they called it a
trade date. Yeah, so so nice. That young picture. Holy
Bacol he started out. I forget how man he struck out.
But then then Schnyder pulled them out after what five
and two thirds innings and the standing ovation, I had
goose bumps. I was crying, and the batter with crying.

(01:04:14):
I was crying so so excited for the Blue Jays
because a long time Blue Jays, and ever since they
became existence, I've been shared for the Blue Jays, their
Canada's team, and the Blue Jates they do. They do
a lot of stuff for the community too, and even
here in Newland when they had that Batter's Box day
when they raised all that money for for what uh

(01:04:36):
uh the money for raising fund for here in Newfouland
for for for h.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
What the wildfire release?

Speaker 19 (01:04:46):
Yeah, the wildfire. Yeah, the wildfire, oh man. Because they
do so much for they do this for right across
Canada's Blue Jays. You know, their Canada's team. It's not
a Toronto may Believe. I'm sorry, it's a Toronto Blue Jays.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Yeah. Well, I mean I've Jason my team and the
pitcher you're talking about, Treya Savage. I mean, it's remarkable.
Twenty two years old. The first game of pro ball
he played this year was in front of three hundred
and twenty four fans. Last night he pitched in front
of over forty four and a half thousand.

Speaker 19 (01:05:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
And for anyone who's ever been to the Rogers Center,
it's electric. It is super fun. Time to go and
hear how loud it is in there and how passionate
the fans are. And you're right. The manager, Schneider pulled
him out after five and a third, seventy eight pitches,
eleven strikeouts. I think the logic behind it is pretty sound.
Number one thrown back out there to pitch to one hitter.

(01:05:36):
So he can get the standing go when he comes out. Secondly,
why give the Yankees a third look at him? You
might need him in game five to come out of
the pen. I thought it made sense to me too.

Speaker 19 (01:05:45):
Me because you know, they could use them and Tuesday
they could use them. Tomorrow night. They could use them
tomorrow night out of the boat and shut the Yaks down,
and then the Yaks they can go goal.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Yeah, you won't see him in game number three, but
you might a peak Adam and game number five if
the you know, if the series gets that fire. And
I don't know what's going to happen in the Bronx,
but it's going to probably be a little bit more
hostile and tougher than it was in Toronto.

Speaker 19 (01:06:10):
Oh yeah, because that's what their comment about and said
they're gonna it's going to be like a going into
the lines. Then in New York, because the fans are good,
they're going to be hostile to the Blue Jays because
first of all, they beat they beat the Yankees two
games and nothing. Now the Fats are really bad, and
then I don't think I wouldn't want to be in

(01:06:31):
that stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
The fans are matter thrown team. I imagine the New
York fans are pretty disillusioned with the Yankee players, and
some of some of them are so quiet now they
might wake up just like Guerreo woke up at home
and mean to see him hitting some home runs is
a site for sore eyes because he has been brutal
for the last twenty odd games.

Speaker 19 (01:06:50):
Yeah, two days in the row and he got two
days in the row. He got home run the two
games and the Grand Slam.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
Oh my, I was.

Speaker 19 (01:07:00):
Pinching myself during the game. Am I watching this history real?

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
The pitch before he took it, it was a strike,
and he does some of those little hot dog moves
he does. Now you have to be good to be
hot dog. And I said out loud to my wife,
I wish you would stop put the hot dog stuff.
Three seconds later, it was in the outfield double second deck.
So it was pretty fun to watch that.

Speaker 19 (01:07:22):
Yeah, that was that was exciting, you know. You know
Pierre mar used to with the Cawgary planes and the
trauma wayfulic. She say, yeah, baby, I'll do a lot
of yeah baby, last night.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
I appreciate the time, enjoy the baseball, Gary.

Speaker 19 (01:07:37):
Okay, and uh oh. One other thing you mentioned on
Friday cart was having a day where you want to
hear nothing but good news. I all four of that.
I hope, I hope you get a day where you're
going to say, you know what, this day, I don't
want to hear no, no complaining, nothing. I just want
to hear good news. And you don't have no good news,
and don't don't.

Speaker 14 (01:07:55):
Tell me your bad Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Well, I mean it'd be much appreciated by me, I
think by most of the listeners. With the little dollup
of good news every now and then. It's good for
the soul because there's lots of stuff going on. That's
the furthest thing from good Gary. Appreciate this, Enjoy the
rest of the postseason.

Speaker 19 (01:08:11):
Okay, thanks Daddy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Bye bye. Yeah, and Dave you know, came in and said,
you know, of course you'll see the focus on Vladdie
and the Grand Slams. Wild Vasho last night. First four
at bats, two doubles, two home runs, Clement with a
one handed home run, Springer with another home run. It's
great stuff. Let's take a break. When we come back.
Sharon's got a bouquet, and then we're speaking with you.
Don't go away. Welcome back to the show. Let's go

(01:08:37):
to line number three. Good morning, Sharon, you're on the air,
and are you no, not too bad this morning? Thank you?
How about you?

Speaker 9 (01:08:46):
That's good my first time welcome and I'm calling on
as interesting and I'm just calling no and everybody that
it was a beautiful service that they provided to me

(01:09:10):
when I differently needed. I was going into a pace
of heart sail there and I had food on my
wan and the doctors and the nurses couldn't do enough
for me. They went above and beyond the care that

(01:09:30):
they gave me. And I think that was the time
that I really needed care like that. And from the
time I went into the emergency doors to the time
that I left, I was treated that I was an
important person and I couldn't ask for their care by

(01:09:56):
the doctors nurses, and it didn't stop. They're the people
who brought in the meals, who cleaned my room, and
they always live. Try to stop at how it would
uh get and me see it special?

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Sure? I want to again, I'm really pleased to hear
that's how you were treated at the hospital. How long
were you admitted?

Speaker 9 (01:10:25):
I were rented on the and I came on the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Tw Okay, the phone connection is not great. But how
are you feeling now?

Speaker 9 (01:10:37):
I'm fearing perfect. No, not at anything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
I'm really glad to hear that you're doing well and
that you got treated the way you did at the
hospital there in Stevenville. You know, we have these types
of conversations every now and then when look. I understand
people's concerns with healthcare and wait times and access to
a doctor and the access to MRIs and stuff. But
when people get in, usually they get treated very well
by very compassionate professionals.

Speaker 16 (01:11:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:11:11):
First, where the doctor and nurse are coming from, and
those nurses around for twelve hour shifts sometimes longer, and
they don't stop, you know, and the minute you ring
your belt there to see what you need, how they
can help you. And if you need to see the doctor,

(01:11:34):
he's there within minutes.

Speaker 18 (01:11:37):
You know. It is a good I.

Speaker 9 (01:11:40):
Can't say anything about the hospital, I must say terrific.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
I'm really pleased to hear all of this, Sharon.

Speaker 9 (01:11:47):
Yes, and you know, if we if we gave the
doctors in the nurse.

Speaker 17 (01:11:54):
Credits, it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Sharon. You take o care yourself. I really appreciate your
time this morning.

Speaker 9 (01:12:02):
Okay, thank you very much, and you have a nice
debt you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Too, shared all by by bye h fair enough. Dave's
organizing our next caller in the queue on the topic
I have no earthly idea, just very quickly so I
got a couple of mails back to back. I don't
even know if it's the same person who reroutive, but
my goodness, they're so eerily similar. And it's why I

(01:12:27):
would dare question any promises or pledges made on the
campaign trail that would improve people's lives. What No things
have improved people's lives are a good thing, right, Yeah?
The question that I'm asking is, you know, when politicians campaign,
of course they don't campaign on taking things away. But

(01:12:49):
at the exact same time, I do think we owe
it to each other, and I think politicians owe it
to us that they give us some earthly idea about
where all the money's coming from. That's all. And I
don't think that's an on fair request of a politician,
whether it be in the form of a fully costed platform,
those types of things. But the fact of the matter
is we're approaching a net debt up around twenty billion dollars.

(01:13:11):
We're not getting any younger, so it's either we're just
going to continue to borrow and we're going to continue
to service the debt to the tune of a billion
plus dollars per year, and what that means year over year,
time after time is an unsustainable future, that's all. And
you know it's not about hey, we can't do this
for one person, we can't do this for one age group.

(01:13:31):
But we really need to know where all the money's
come from. And if they just say, well, well we're
going to keep borrowing, or they'll give us another vague
reference to finding savings, well find savings where like, I
just don't think we get enough detail on that stuff.
Let's got to line number four IV here on the air.

Speaker 20 (01:13:48):
Yes, I'm complaining of the healthcare system this morning. Sure,
and the Liberal government. I mean, if they keep them in,
we won't have no healthcare system. I'm been waiting since
January to get an ultrasound on my kidneys, and they
got me a point for September. I went out in September,
it was canceled till December, and now someone else has

(01:14:10):
taken my appintment. They were given doing ultrasounds there. I mean,
if they've got our system is gone. Now the next
the hospital calls and I really need that ultrasound because
I got problems and I'm a senior. I'm a diabetic
and I got two film ins tyed with cancer. But

(01:14:33):
I can't even get an ultrasound in ten months? So
what is the ELK serious in New Flann doing for
the people the seniors? Is just I don't know, did
not even look after him. It's really ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I know you're frustrated with having to wait. Were you
told why appointments were postponer cancel? Was it that there
wasn't a technician to operate the ultrasound or what was
it you happen to know.

Speaker 20 (01:14:58):
It was a technician there or someone else got called
in do ultrasound when I was there, and so they're
doing them. They were doing them. So why ten months
and now a year and when the year or is
of I might not get in then I might be
canceled again. I don't know. It's because I haven't got
a doctor and I got a nurse practitioner. Then they
don't think she can She knows what she's doing, what

(01:15:20):
she does, she's better than any doctor I ever heard,
So I don't know if that's the reason why ten
months and now a year before you can get a
ultrasound at the hospital. It's getting ridiculous. I mean, there
are the liberal government is if they kid me in,
we won't have no won't have no care. The hospital

(01:15:41):
lout because they close it out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
What part of the province are you calling from, IV.

Speaker 20 (01:15:46):
I'm calling from Clareenville area.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Okay, yeah, personally, I'm also waiting for a test, and
I've been waiting quite a long time, so I know
where you're coming from. I don't feel too too bad now,
but i'd like to know if there's something going so
we can get up in front of it.

Speaker 20 (01:16:02):
What a year for a ult sound?

Speaker 8 (01:16:03):
Yeah, it's ridiculous, I mean, and and here every day.

Speaker 20 (01:16:08):
What he's going to do for nukolent he's doing nothing.
Only it's back back, it's gone now, we can't go
no further. We really really need to get rid of
that liberal government we got right now?

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Do you this is funny? Look, you vote for whoever
you want to vote for. Do you think that a
change in party in power is going to make health
care better or worse. So let's stick with better because
I think we've got our handsful of regardless who's going
to sit in the seat of government about improving the
healthcare system. That's just the way I think about it.
How about you, You think the Tories are the savior
for the healthcare system?

Speaker 20 (01:16:40):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:16:41):
I was.

Speaker 20 (01:16:41):
I was a liberal. I voute liberal, but right now
I can't vote liberal anymore. I mean, we had two
good doctors in claren for a few years ago. A
couple of years ago, they were in they were internal medicine.
They weren't getting the same money they got in Saint
John's and so they wouldn't give it to them. And
that was they wouldn't give them the money. Gets a

(01:17:01):
parent one on complaints give them money. They wouldn't give
them what they got in Saint John's. So they left
the win Saint John's. I mean, they pay the money,
they'd have the doctors up there. They're not paying the money.
That's a problem. So we can't have no worse what
we got there now definitely can't because it's not getting better,
it's getting worse. So we really do need to change

(01:17:24):
in government.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Ivy. I appreciate the sentiment and your time fingers crossed,
you can get that ultrasound asap. I know you need it. Okay,
thank you, You're welcome to take care right boy bye.
You know, internal medicine, this is an interesting conversation because
we spoke with Lloyd Parrot last week about losing internal
medicine specialists out in that specific region that Ivy was
actually talking about. And then remember there was a mass

(01:17:49):
resignation of five internal specialists in Claire's and that was
about working conditions and a variety of things. And you know,
at that point also the health sciences staff time and say, hey,
we can't take on any extra workload because of all
the patients displaced at Saint Clair's. You know, immediately then
politicians talk about what they can do to improve things whatever.

(01:18:10):
But you know, whether it be in town or elsewhere,
the ability to recruit and retain is becoming more and
more difficult. I mean, just think about who are the
most coveted professionals in the country. And this is not
to say that you know, we're not talking about tech
and innovative talent pools what have you, but healthcare pros
are highly mobile, highly sought after, and they are going

(01:18:31):
to go where it makes their life better.

Speaker 14 (01:18:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
I think it just stands to reason if you were
offered a job, regardless of what you do for a living,
to go to one part of the province or one
part of the country where your life might be better
and you might make more money and better opportunities for
your wife, for your husband and your kids. But there's
a reason why we're really up against it here. It's
a crying shame and this is across the country that

(01:18:55):
we got provinces going into other provinces to poach healthcare
professionals because everybody in every province, in every territory is
facing a very similar issue, which is mind boggling to me.
We're told at the exact same time there's more doctors
and more nurses working in the province than ever before.
But what we don't know, especially in the world of doctors,
are they all working with full rosters of patients or

(01:19:16):
some hybrid of or what exactly is going on. But
I understand I was concerned. If you're waiting for something
and you're doing you're not doing well, then of course
you'n point to the broken system that many people characterize
it to be. Let's take a break, don't go away.
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to Len number
five second more and Brend in the kitchen issues with
Protect and el Brenda. You're on the air.

Speaker 21 (01:19:37):
Hey, good morning, Patty. So nice to be chatting to you.
We've been out and about on the road distributing newsletters,
talking about different things happening in the province and encouraging
people to ask the politicians, you know, good questions when
they're common door to door. And we were in Marystown yesterday,
so I'm just going to talk a little bit about
what we heard foots on the ground in Mary's Town.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Sure, what are we talking about that?

Speaker 21 (01:20:02):
Yeah, So, first of all, I just want to say
a huge thank you to the people on the Buram Peninsula.
They have been educating themselves and they've been taking action
and standing up saying no against the Everwind Fuels Lynd
Hydrogen mega project. And they have been having multiple polls
on the Buram Peninsula and I think the latest average

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is like eighty two percent are saying no to the
ever Wind Fuels mega project. And they just had two
more polls recently, one in Fortune and one in Grand Bank.
So a huge thank you to all those people that
have been working so hard to make sure that ever
Win Fuels and their electant members know that they're saying no.

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So there's a woman out there. Her name is Deborah Beck,
and she lives in Swift Current, and she's actually written
a letter and they're asking for the Energy Board to
be dissolved because they got this energy board created on
the Buram Peninsula and they're claiming that this Energy Board
represents all the people. But what the Energy Board did

(01:21:10):
was when they were created, it was six days after
they were created, they wrote a support letter to ever
Win Fuels and had never spoke to anybody in their
communities and they still haven't had any meetings where they've
spoke and taken these concerns into consideration. So the people
are having these polls and they're saying, look, this is
how the people really feel, and you don't represent us

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and you never did, and you need to be dissolved immediately.
And they're also asking for the ever Win Fuels megaproject
to be stopped immediately. And they're circulating this letter and
this woman is looking for signatures and she has a
bit four hundred now and just want to let people
know that. You know, the people on the Buram Peninsula

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are taking to stand together despite not being listened to.
And if you live anywhere and you think what's happening
is wrong, I encourage you to stand with Deborah and
consider signing this letter.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Okay, quick question about you say, if what you see
happening is wrong, sign the letter. What have you? Is
there anything actually happening?

Speaker 21 (01:22:15):
Well, you know, the Energy Board has given their support
to ever Win Fuels, and so we see deceptions happening,
and people's voice is being ignored happening. And these people
are very worried about this megaproject, the one that ever
Win Fuels is proposing, is one is the biggest in

(01:22:37):
newfound Land and it's supposed to be the biggest in
all of North America. I don't think people really understand
how huge these megaprojects are. They keep comparing them two
to one in Saint Lawrence. That's like in turbines one
third height. You know these are do they want one
thy five hundred and fifty on the Buran Fininsula at

(01:22:57):
seven hundred and thirty eight feet tall. And Patty I
still got people calling me a lawyer when I talked
about these things, but like the height is not private,
that's listed in their environmental you know, that's that's that's
been writing by the company. So I encourage people they
got to start doing their own research.

Speaker 17 (01:23:17):
And uh.

Speaker 21 (01:23:17):
And so that's what's happening on Bura In peninsula when
it comes to the people are very worried that they're
not being heard. The elected members aren't talking to the
wind energy projects. They won't say anything about it publicly,
and they're not These people are worried about their health
and that land is being used.

Speaker 17 (01:23:37):
And even in the.

Speaker 21 (01:23:38):
Newsletter that we are distributing, there's an article in there
written by Cass Clark who lives in Saint Lawrence, and
he gives an example of the deception that's been happening
on the Buram Peninsula. So you know, when you got
people not listen, you know, elected members claiming publicly that
they represent the people, and the polls the evidence shows

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clearly shows otherwise, then that is a huge problem and
it needs to be addressed. And this letter that this
brave woman is standing out and circulating, this woman from
Swift Current, you know, that's That's what I'm saying, is like, look,
you don't get to speak on behalf of us, you know,
just self appoint you're aboard and then give a letter

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six days later on a mega project that's going to
affect everybody's lives. That's wrong, That's not how it's supposed
to work. So the people are saying no, and quite frankly,
when you know people are being silenced that way and
that sort of deception is happening, we should all be
very concerned, whether we live there or not.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Has everyone been released from environmental assessment even.

Speaker 21 (01:24:46):
At this point, Well, you know, Patty, I got to
tell you, I am just overwhelmed with learning about win
Energy and trying to keep track of what's happening. So
I got to say, like I encourage PEOP people to
go on the websites and start doing this research themselves,
because we're still trying to get our basic questions asked

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about world energy GHU over here on the West Coast,
And I got to tell you, I am so glad
that you're talking about the water and energy that's used
by the data centers, like, because I'm learning about win
energy now, I'm learning about data centers, and it's like
even just one conversation with chat GBT was to use

(01:25:27):
like a leader of water, so you know, we've got
to be talking about our water consumption for these these megaprojects.
There's a lot going on here on the island. But
the first step communicating our messages is listening to the
people and what they want. And the people really.

Speaker 17 (01:25:46):
Got to keep.

Speaker 21 (01:25:47):
Using their voices and continue to unify. And I just love,
love what's happening on the Buram Peninsula because like everywhere
else you know, of people are standing up and they're
automatically and is throwing oh you don't want to work anyway,
or you don't want any jobs? Well, you know, every
there is serious concerns about the number of jobs that's

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going to be offered and coming with these projects. You know,
we have an unhealthy addiction to boom and bust. And
even Gored follow he's associated with Newland Sportsman, he stood
off and he has a YouTube video with wind turbine
destruction and he discusses like there's no amount of jobs
that's worth the destruction that's coming with these projects.

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
You know, so there's a.

Speaker 21 (01:26:32):
Lot going on there. People got to go down that
rabbit hole and ask those hard questions especially during election time.
There's one time that you got something that these politicians want,
and that's your vote. So keep asking the hard questions
and learn from what's happening on the Buram Peninsula. These
people on the energy board or pushing ahead with their

(01:26:53):
own agendas. What the people are saying no, The evidence
is there, eighty two percent is saying no. Also, it's
so happy to see this brave woman writing that letter
and the people continuing to make short their voices are
heard because their lives are going to be impacted forever
if these makea projects proceed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Yeah, I mean the density with which some of these
proposals include, you know, when compared to other wind farms.
And you know, for me, it's you know, people leaning
in on the issue regarding green hydrogen the export market
via ammonia, when the vast majority of people I think
are more worried about the environmental footprint domestically, So I
get it. And the size of the turbines that are

(01:27:36):
being discussed here, they don't belong in the same conversation
as the turbine Saint Lawrence or and Ramia or Upsill Shore.
It's a different beast all together. So it's as fundamental
as that. The only reason I asked about whether or
not ever Wind was actually doing anything at this moment
of time, because I might be wrong, but I think
the only propellent that's been released from its environmental assessment
is World Energy GH two. And on their front, this

(01:27:59):
is not me saying, this is John originally saying that
they're even examining the potential for Plan B. And that's
those bloody AI centers, the data centers, because again their words,
they were proceeding until they could secure a minimum ten
year power purchase agreement, to which obviously they have not
been able to secure. We got MoU side of the

(01:28:20):
porter Rotterdam Port Amsterdam, and the offload infrastructure is not
even a thing in Germany at this moment of time.
So it kind of looks really really stalled at this point. Well,
it mighty proceeded into the future. Maybe is it worth
keeping the conversation go? Of course it is.

Speaker 21 (01:28:36):
Well, so this is where I'm trying. I can't seem
to get a straight answer because I go down, Well,
World Energy G two is approved, so they got access
to the land now for I can't find how aligned
the lease is, but thirty to thirty five years, Like,
I don't know if somebody could find that, well, do
they still have access to the land why, I don't

(01:28:57):
know why. They're trying to figure it tough.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
They've got some pre feasibility work that has been approved
with my understanding, But the Crown land lease was job specific.
It wasn't for anything but the plan to you know,
use the Port of Stephenville the electrolysis to move it
into green hydrogen to then blended with the ammonia for transfer.
There's only land lease specific. So unless it's for that,

(01:29:20):
then they have to go back to the drawing board.
And I've asked that question of government in the past.
It can't be just we sign a lease on Crown land,
we do whatever the heck we want. That's not how
it works at all, and thankfully so. But now there's
also plenty Crown land lease fees that remain unpaid at
this moment of time, and that's across the board for
the different proponents. It's a bit different at the port
of our agentia with Pattern Energy because their first phase

(01:29:41):
is not on Crown land, so that's their own kind
of separate conversation, so to speak. But no, you can't
do what they were talking about doing unless it's for
the specific project that they applied under anything else, quickly
burnded before I have to get to the news.

Speaker 21 (01:29:55):
Well others as one more thing people can think about,
because when we talk about World Energy GACH too, they're saying,
how you know, they were very deceiving in the beginning,
and there's concerns that they're still on the land, but
now they're exploring for minerals and I think people kind
of need they got that in the back of their heads,
so you know, they take a stayer there for wing towers,

(01:30:15):
but there's concerns about the minerals that's involved with all
about those crown lands. But that's something for people to
to on. But thanks for all your time here today.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Appreciate yours. Thanks Brenda h all right, bye boy, All right,
let's get a break in for the eleven o'clock news.
When we come back. The topic is entirely up to you.
Don't go away.

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Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Welcome back to the show. Well, one thing you can
bet on is when disaster strikes, the arts community is
there to stand up, to bring awareness, to raise some funds.
And in this case we're talking about the music community.
So here we go with We Stand on Guard Round
number three. This one's called We Stand on Guard once More,
Join us online. Number one is the lead singer of
Shanny Ganach. That's our buddy, Chrissy Andrews. And go morning, Chris.
You're on the air.

Speaker 14 (01:31:11):
Good morning, Patty. How are you to this fine fall day.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Top shelf today? How about you?

Speaker 14 (01:31:17):
Excellent? Not too bad, sir, Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Happy to do it. And like I said in that
very quick intro, you know you can bet your check
that when the times get down and get down to
the brass tacks and we need to raise some money,
crowd in the music business, they're always there, I mean
every single time, yourself included, Chris. So tell us about
what's going on with this particular fundraising concert.

Speaker 14 (01:31:38):
Well, this fundraising concert will be for the Wildfire Fund
to tours. Everyone knows about the wildfires we had this
past summer, and how devastating they were in many areas,
so we decided that we would have a concert to
raise some much needed funds, but an awareness and a
show of support for those people that were affected by
those wildfires. And the show is November tenth, and it's

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going to be broadcast of Tourse on VOCN and the
Sting Ray VOCN and Big Land and other media outlets
and we're going to have a night of Nutoland and
Labrador traditional music and of course a night to celebrate
our pride of being for Nutherland, Labrador and as we
do with help out our fellow Newthland Laboradorians.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
And I mentioned it's round three because the group came
together for Igor, then came together again on the aftermath
of Fiona, and here we go with the wildfires. So
I mean it's kind of a basic question, but why
do you do it and why do you think the
arts community are so quick to say yes to these invitations?

Speaker 14 (01:32:39):
Well, honest, folks, person for a committee that takes us
on every air professionals and different industries and stuff, and
we just feel like it's a good way to get back.
And I know musicians and entertainers and artists and we
feel like anything we can do to help to help
our fellow Newtonland Laboratorians where it will obviously be there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Let's name drop a few acts are going to be
performing at the We stand on guard once more.

Speaker 14 (01:33:05):
I can do that for sure. Buddy Watsey's name and
the other fellas nu plan Icons, the Fables are going
to get back together and play for this. The and
his Sisters, the masterless Men, rum Ragged, Carlo Pilgrim and
Jackie Sullivan, the Once, the Navigators, the County Connection, the
Punkers and Shanny will be there with our good friends
nu Plan Icon, Bob Dabby So the Great.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Many of Music, Music and friends. Baby, Yes, sir, so
this is a personal question, Chris, and feel free to
Dodger to put it back to me. But you know
you say Shanny's going to be there. The Shanny Gannock
world was up ended in May this year when our
good buddy Mark Kiscock passed. What does it mean for
the band?

Speaker 14 (01:33:44):
Well, you know, Mark is not replaced, but we didn't
miss him every day and but as we know he
would have wanted, and we're forging forward and you know
we have a new young accordion player with us of course,
you know, like I said, Mark's not replaceable, but he's
in and doing a grand job. And you know, I've
heard people say it'll never be the same, and they're right,
it won't ever be the same. You know, Mark was

(01:34:06):
a powerful force in many ways. But it's still a
fun show and it's still a good time. So we
you know, we've been have great crowds and everybody's been
joined it. So it's it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Unfortunately, Yeah, I mean I only ask it because I
was hoping for that exact answer that Mark would have
wanted it. And the band needs to keep pushing the head.
So that's the good news. When we talk about such
a somber loss and what they call it like a
whole punched in the music community here in the province,
really still super sad stuff, Chris, I think it's that
Jack Soundhouse. What other details people need to know? Price

(01:34:36):
of tickets when they can get them, buck on stuff.

Speaker 14 (01:34:38):
Exactly, Betty. The tickets go on sale today at twelve
o'clock and at www dot Jagsundhouse dot Ca. And the
tickets are seventy five dollars all included, so that include
your taxes and your fees, so it's just seventy five
dollars and you'll be supporting a great cause and get
a great night of music out of us.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Good on you, Chris, appreciate your time this morning, break
a leg.

Speaker 14 (01:35:01):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Betty happy to do a pal Bye bye Scrass Andrews.
Of course the lead singer Shandy Ganock. Can we stand
on guard once more? You know, sometimes you maybe doptail
some of these conversations, and like I hear in certain
corners where you know, grants for the arts community, whether
it be through music and l or whoever, whatever the
case may be, tax credits in the TV film business,

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and people say, if your business model doesn't stand on
its own two feet, then it needs to go by
the wayside. But at the exact same time, the arts
community are pretty solid across the board when it comes to,
you know, doing things like this, whether it be arts
shows and the money raised therein or these traditional music concerts,
whatever the case may be. And it's worth pointing out
and reminding folks the arts is actually a significant contributor

(01:35:44):
to the economy. It is, I mean not here. It
used to be pretty popular or pushback when we talked
about tax credits in the TV and film business, but
lo and behold, because of it, we have the world
like Disney coming to town. You know, we got productions
that create hundreds of good paying jobs here and as
a result, we have a professionally trained, ready to go

(01:36:04):
TV film crew. So on top of the rugged beauty
and the tax credits, we've actually got a crew. And
that's pretty important stuff when some of these big productions
are looking for a place to film, whether it be
in TV and or a film, because bringing your own crew,
because you don't have an up to grade, professionally trained crew,
is a deal breaker for some of these big companies.
But when you've got it here and we can put

(01:36:26):
their CV in front of the Disneys of the world
and whoever else, then of course it makes it even
more attractive. And consequently it's working. It is really working.
There's a really active arts community here in the world
of TV and film, and there's a bunch of reasons
why let's check it out on the Twitter box and
I'm sure that'll be a raw success and a full
sellout out of the Jack Soundhouse. On top of that,

(01:36:48):
have you ever been to the new Jack The New
Jack Soundhouse in particular, it is an incredible venue, and
so if you haven't been, this might be a good opportunity,
not only to help raise funds for those who are
trying and rebuild in the aftermath of the devastating wildfires,
but you'll get a chance to see a really cool
room with absolutely brilliant sound, great surroundings. I think you'll

(01:37:08):
enjoy it all right. The Twitter box, we're VSM open minion.
Note they do email addresses open line at VOSM dot com.
When we come back, I see a caller there in
the queue getting organized with our producer Dave Williams. The topic,
We're still not really sure. Just one reminder though, while
we're stuck in the thrust of the campaign in the
final full week of campaigning here in the provincial election,

(01:37:29):
even if it's not a direct campaign related conversation, we're
happy to have it here.

Speaker 11 (01:37:34):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
We've may indeed hear from some more candidates throughout the
course of the week. If you'd like to plant some
seeds of questions for one party or another, one leader
or another, I might be I'm absolutely happy to try
to incorporate them when we get a chance to speak
with them. Let's go ahead and take a break. When
we come back, plenty show left for you, don't go away,
Welcome back to the show. It's got to Lene number two.
Sign more to the PC candidate running out in the
voting district of Mount Pearl North. That's Jim Lester. Morning, Jim,

(01:37:56):
you'round the air.

Speaker 16 (01:37:58):
Good morning Patty, thanks for the opportun to do get
on the air.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
What would you like to start?

Speaker 16 (01:38:04):
Well, I was hoping to get on Friday. And you
know there's a topic that you were speaking on regarding
backyard farming and home food production. And I know it's
not really of a political nature, but I couldn't being
a farmer, I couldn't resist want to speak on that.
And you know, imagine if everybody grew a garden the
size of their kitchen table. You know, that would basically

(01:38:27):
double the agricultural and food production in our province. You know,
I'll always say that gardening is a fantastic activity. Well
foremost it provides us with healthy, nutritious food. Secondly, it
provides us with exercise, which most of us can do
with extra and it just provides a great way to
spend some time with your friends. And family, or even
if you know you want some own time of self reflection,

(01:38:49):
you know, gardening can provide all that. And you know,
I think in the in the Second World War, Winston
Churchill had a a pro well an initiative called the
Victory Garden, and you know that's something that you know,
we should almost be looking at. And you know, restoring
our own food supply is a big thing because we're
the last place in North America to get food. So

(01:39:12):
if there's a logistics issue, or maybe it was just
a it's going to be a shortage of supply, we're
going to be the first ones here in this province
to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
It's amazing that you went to British Victory guardens. It's
a good analogy, you know, considering the fact that municipalities
are basically governing their decisions regarding backyard farms or home
setting based on British law from nineteen forty seven. So
when I make reference to it, you know, Helen, one
of the listeners, sent kind of a concerned tweet about
my thoughts on it. And I'm not suggesting that you know,

(01:39:43):
you should be able to in residential neighborhoods have a
bunch of sheep or cattle or pigs or whatever in
the backyard. But just modernizing our approach to it because
that changes mindset when we just have a bit more
of a modern top and the victory guardens, that's really
quite something. So the British government pretty took the bull
by the horns on that front. They actually did the
planting in community gardens. They actually, we're willing to do

(01:40:03):
the planting using resources for the military to put the
garden in your backyard.

Speaker 16 (01:40:09):
Yeah, and you know, we can monorize that concept and
turn it into maybe like a toolshed bank, because you know,
not everybody really wants to afford a rotor tiller or
you know, any specialized tool that they may need to
get their garden ready in the spring, and you know,
because it can be quite expensive not only to purchase
but to maintain. But you know, if we could have

(01:40:30):
community tool banks where people, you know, just like a
library book, you'd sign in, sign out, and you know,
that would go a long way to help people getting started.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Absolutely, And if we're not mistake and now you've got
me all consumed with victory gardens. They actually sort of
the origin of vertical farming too, and they also put
rough top gardens in place, and all the rest of
it really focus on high yield crops. I'm going to
have to read about that, Souff, know, because I'm weird
like that.

Speaker 16 (01:40:57):
Well, you know, it's good that we're concerned about food
product because you know, without food, nothing else really matters.
And that's something that you know, as I said, we're
the last place in North America to get food. And
it's not a matter if it's more when we're going
to see a shortage or logistical disruption and you know
we're going to be, you know, down to the last

(01:41:19):
last potato in the bin.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
Yeah, clean air, clean water, and healthy food three pretty
important lynch pins. Jim. I'm gonna let you talk about
whatever you want. But wasn't there a mascot for the
Victory Gardens look at CARROCD or.

Speaker 16 (01:41:30):
Something at Probably very well was, But to my knowledge,
I came to my reflection, I can't remember what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Sorry to derail it, to go down that rabbit hole.
But what else are we talking about this morning? Jim?

Speaker 16 (01:41:43):
I just say basically what we're hearing at the doors
in Patty. I'm knocking the doors and this is my
fourth time knocking in Mount Parol North and in doing so,
you know there's there is a big demographic change. We're
seeing a lot of the older neighborhoods are now being
you know, rejuvenated with younger families, new Canadians and you know,

(01:42:05):
the initial residence of Mount Pearl are you know, going
on to their final stages of life or to a
smaller unit or whatever it may be. But one of
the big things that I'm hearing at the doors is
the deal with hydro Quebec and our province. And you know,
everybody seems to have a conception of it. But because

(01:42:27):
the details what we're given and shown so far as
just a sales package on the project, you know they're
weary of the details. And in what I've taken from that,
it's it's not about the revenue, because in this province
revenue has never been a problem. We've always got lots
of revenue coming in prom person into the province. Is

(01:42:47):
what we do with it and where it's actually going. Unfortunately,
our resources have for far too long been looked at
as a commodity to sell for government revenue versus a
component of an active economy. Because as I said, money
is not our problem. Working people with money is our problem.
When people are working, they're spending. In a sustainable economy,

(01:43:09):
it has to be a long term use and maximization
of that resource. And you know, people are wary about
the extended fifty year term. You know, would you get
a fifty year mortgage, probably not. Would you look at
selling your care to one customer only, or are you
going to advertise it? You know, we need to look

(01:43:31):
at all our options on this to maximize this resource.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
But the term is one thing. Like if I was
in the energy business, then I was the CEO of
you know, power Advisory. I'm not going to get engaged
in building a twenty billion dollars dam and associated transmissionalized
with a short term. So I think the term is curious.
But I don't imagine we'd be entertaining anything shorter than
fifty years looking on further muscard, whether that be for

(01:43:56):
amortization and or for power purchase of which I am
the sole customer on the MLU. So like, people talk
to me about it and I asked them what they
think about one facet or another, and they give me
their opinion, and then I just simply asked, did you
happen to read the MoU? At least fifty percent haven't,
and I would imagine a lot of people with very

(01:44:16):
strong feelings about the MoU have not read it. Now,
it's not easily digestible at every single turn, but we've
got an awful lot of feelings being shared about something
that people actually haven't read.

Speaker 16 (01:44:27):
Yeah. Absolutely, I've read the MoU, and you know, the
revenue side of it is fairly well explained. But what
I'm concerned about is our access to future power because
if you don't have additional power resources, and as you
may be well aware, in certain times of the year
here on the Island of Newfoundland, we're using eighty five
percent of our generation capacity. So that's why you know,

(01:44:48):
when you look at these data banks and data relay centers,
which we're in a prime situation for, or any manufacturing
or value added over our processing of our resources, we
can't commit to it because we don't have the power.
We don't have a sustainable power bank. But if you
look at some of the potential of taking power from
the Churchill or Goal Island or whatever it may be

(01:45:11):
and diverting it here to our own use in our
own province, be it Labrador or the Island, it could
really create a sustainable industry because like these construction jobs,
while they're great, they're only for a short period. And
a gentleman said to me the other day, he said,
it's like this, I'll get five years work and I
get a seven year truck payment in a twenty year mortgage.

(01:45:32):
What do I do then?

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Yeah, in so far as opportunities in Labrador, like, I
have been pretty clear that I think chasing artificial intelligence
data centers is not a really valuable use of the power.
But for people in Labrador, they'll tell me that one
of the key features of the MoU is the quadrupling
of the Labrador recall Block, which happens right away. We're

(01:45:53):
not talking about building gall or any of that kind
of stuff. So going from three hundred mega Watson twelve
hundred for expansion in labwet is for them. And I'm
not speaking from my own personal perspective. Folks of Labrador
are clearly telling me that's one of the things they
like the most there. You know, all this, whether it
be third transmission line into lab West, but that recall
block expansion, that's an important part of this up in

(01:46:15):
the big Land.

Speaker 16 (01:46:17):
It absolutely is, because right now a lot, despite the
abundance of resource, there's a good portion of Labrador, even
in the industrial areas, that they're still relying on other
forms of power generation. So this is you know, so
much of that full time recall is not going to
be for expansion. It's only for the maintenance and replacement
of other alternative forms of generation. And you know, back

(01:46:38):
to the fifty year term, we as our economy and
as our people transition from hydrocarban consumption for energy to electricity,
even here on the island, we're going to need substantially
more just for basic everyday use. You know, That's what
you know, That's what I'm concerned and that's what I
want to see clarification on is there going to be

(01:47:01):
power available for future generations?

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Short answers, not much, because even with the expansion at
the Upper Churchill, not a whole whole lot of that
beyond the quadrupleing of the Labrador recall block is going
to make its way to the island. As far as
I can tell, Gull Island with its two hundred and
twenty five megawatts, we only have access to what'sever left
over after two thousand first two thousand go to HYDROCBEC.
So the short answer is no, not a whole lot.

(01:47:25):
Hydro has been going through this exercise for quite a
long time now, and they pretty much have landed on
some sort of alternative fuel combustion turbine one hundred and
fifty megawatts at Holyrood and then the eighth unit at
Beta Spare that kind of stuff. But yeah, no, the
MoU doesn't provide a whole whole lot of power outside

(01:47:46):
the aforementioned recall block.

Speaker 16 (01:47:48):
Yeah, so that's you know, that's where I see that
the question should be asked, you know, myself and you
we may not see an issue of power, shortage of
power in the future, but you know, our children, our grandchildren,
there'll be you know, adults in this fifty year term,
and that's where we have to look out for. I mean,
it's not about finances of today, it's about the legacy

(01:48:08):
that we're going to leave for future generations.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Yeah, and technology is changing pretty quickly here too, when
the cost of alternatives is coming way back to worth
first of what it was even just some short five
years ago. So you're right, nobody's got a crystal ball
with price elasticity and markets and inflation and different alternative
sources of generation. But all need to be part of
this discussion, of course, because fifty years it might feel

(01:48:34):
like a long time away, but it's not really, you know.
So anyway, Jim, anything else you'd like to offer while we.

Speaker 16 (01:48:39):
Have you, Yeah, just other issues that I'm hearing at
the doors, of course, you know, the increase in crime,
the increasing cost of living, the situation with our healthcare,
you know, not and not enough access to and that
timely access to and you know, all these issues are
basically guided by public policy. In public policy, of course,

(01:49:00):
is initiated, debated, and legislated by our elected officials. So
you know, when you see politicians out, you know, champion
the deliverance of charity. I personally got a big issue
with that because that's a failure of public policy when
people have to depend on charity for basic needs. The

(01:49:20):
job of an elected official is to either provide in
an environment legislative public policy, to provide an environment where
people can provide for themselves or for whatever reason they're
unable to. The programs have to be in place, so
you know, they don't have to depend on charity for
basic needs. And you know that that all goes to
the theory of you know, in politics, there's game players

(01:49:41):
and game changers, and we need to elect more game
changers so that we can really, you know, change the
direction of our province.

Speaker 6 (01:49:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
I mean, if we took charities, not for profits and
volunteers out of the equation, government would be hooped.

Speaker 16 (01:49:57):
Yeah, it would be hooped. But that's you know, that's
learn ually a failure of progressive policy.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Oh no, racument, just pointing out what I think is
the obvious, unfortunate facts on the ground. Jim, final thoughts
to you before I get to the newscasts a bit later.

Speaker 16 (01:50:10):
Yeah, okay, Well, you know, one of the things that
we've always heard every politician say is, you know, we're
in a pivotable time in our history. And the tragic
thing is government over government, they've never pivoted, They've kept
doing the same thing. And I can guarantee you when
I'm re elected as part of the Tony Wakem government,
we'll definitely pivot and put this province in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
Appreciate the time, Jim, good luck, Thank you, You're welcome.
Bye bye. I just get to the news, don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
The Tim Power Show during the conversation weekday afternoons at
four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
Welcome back to the program and having a conversation with
Brenda Kitchen with protect on EL a little bit earlier
in the program. Apparently it was untoward that I asked
her if there was actually any activity at the ever
wind site. The only question is that you know whether
or not being released from Environmental asside and has also
seen actual activity on site where they're yet to be

(01:51:03):
fully approved. I know we had that conversation out on
the West coast during the Port Port Peninsula when they
were doing some meteorological tower construction for wind measurements and
what have you associated with World Energy JGE two. So
it wasn't dismissing the concerns. In fact, it was the
very opposite. We were talking about exactly what's going on
where people live. I can't tell what's happening out in

(01:51:25):
Boatwood or down for the association with the Everyone Project,
just asking for people who are actually down there. Let's
go to line number two and say good morning to
the president of the Geraldine will be a Center. That's
Gary furlong Morning Gary, or on.

Speaker 10 (01:51:37):
The air, Good morning Patty.

Speaker 9 (01:51:39):
How are you doing?

Speaker 16 (01:51:40):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Couldn't be better this morning? How about you?

Speaker 10 (01:51:42):
Dear Gladly blue Jage warn yeares today?

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
Me too, loved it.

Speaker 10 (01:51:47):
Yeah, that's such the reason why I'm call And as
you probably know, I was on the news media last week,
I guess reference to the disability aid on person for
the parts Nufland Labrador and then I guess I'm kind
of get interviewed by number of outlets such as the
OCND and yeah, we definitely do here at the Ruby Center,

(01:52:09):
definitely have something concern about not having any representation in
the House of a seventy for our now Flanders and
Laboragorians with disabilities here in the province. And I'm hoping
whether it's the PC NDP or the Liberal Party where
we get in that they actually stick to what they're
going to say and hopefully have it all craved in stone.

(01:52:32):
So if we do have any issues here such as
we do here at the Journey Ruby Center, we can
actually contact somebody and kind of cut the red teat
that's unnecessary to solve an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Yeah, and we get someone to be your champion as
opposed to trying to get time with the minister. I
totally get this. Gary A couple of questions. So mister
wakem has talked about appointing someone to the position as
soon as possible. The four hundred thousand dollars budget in
year number one. The premiere a little bit different, you know.
He said it's something we can and should do in
short order, but also talked about trying to determine what
the office's mandate would be. Any thoughts on the mandate

(01:53:06):
for this well, eventually is definitely going to be a
disability advocate position.

Speaker 10 (01:53:11):
Well, the mandate, I guess, speaking on an our center
would be the importance of making sure that I guess
when we do call the office looking for some kind
of support, whether it's for financial support or some kind
of mental support, whatever it be, that I guess it

(01:53:31):
will be addressed, and it will be addressed almost immediately
without having to go through the formalities of the red
tapes and the bureaucracy. That's just my opinion on it.
I think that things can be handled, you know, when
people are dealing with issues here in the province, you know,
with disabilities. You know, if we have a representative we

(01:53:54):
can actually go there. Person here, listen here, we have
an issue, or we have a problem, or we have
a suggestion, here's what we suggest we can do it.
I just feel that the we definitely need one here
in the province. But I'll tell you what is disappointing
as and I'm not speaking behalf of the Ruby Center.
I'm just speaking on behalf of a voter here in

(01:54:15):
the province. And I want to speak a little bit
about Jamie Kot and the reason why I do want
to speak about him because about four or five months ago,
I actually called Jamie's office and I asked Jamie's office
if we could probably get a grant or funds for

(01:54:37):
a mini split or mini splits here for the Germany
Ruby Center in Shaw Street. His office first of all
said to me, where is the Germany Ruby Center? And
I said, you got to be kidding, right, because it's
in Jamie Kored's district. They didn't even know what a
Ruby Center is too, So that Alonelier Connor said, show

(01:55:00):
me the lack of support that we were getting from
the government, whether it's liberals pieces. But I'm just giving
an example. This is what I had to gain when
they said, we're not sure what the rugby of centers
to and I said, well, it's in Jamie's district.

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
Why would you know, fair question, Gary, what kind of
core funding do you get from the government if any?

Speaker 10 (01:55:24):
To be honest with you, over the last ten years
since I'm involved with the Germany Ruby Center, I would
say a maximum of maybe five or six thousand dollars maybe.

Speaker 14 (01:55:37):
A year.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Maybe No, that was the total in total, in total.

Speaker 10 (01:55:43):
And our center is like the provincial government and they
are definitely aware of the Ruby a Center now besides
Jamie Kore but any that's another story. But they know
about the Ruby Center, especially when it comes to social workers.
They promote, you know, rap down to the Germany Ruby
Center if we have an adulble special needs. So that
alone there speaks volumes. But as for funding, our center

(01:56:08):
is run one of the us above volunteers and the
only way that we survive is to our takeout launches
here that we offered two or three times a week
and our rentals on the weekends. But as for government
funding from the federal provincial, very very very little. And

(01:56:30):
there's now one person inside our center that is on
the board has paid a dime to run this center.
I love doing it because I love giving back to
the community, and I know that the special needs needs
a center like ours so they can come down and
have activities and programs Monday to Friday and be with
their own special needs in our community.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
Yeah, I mean, if we have a third of the
population that is in the disabled community, it's remarkable that
we're still talking about here in twenty twenty, the need
for an advocate. We're quick to no, We're quick to
have one for the children and youths, were quick to
have one for seniors. Great to have one as a
citizens representative, but a full third of the population does
not have that champion in the corner and they deserve us.

Speaker 10 (01:57:12):
Not only that, but for the last ten years, I
guess the government had been saying that they're going to
bring one in, but they still didn't come to light. Well,
not only that, but when I did speak to Jamie
Korre's office, apparently he was the Minister of Disabilities at
the time, and they didn't know that our center was
here in these district It's like, I'm like, I was
so frustrated and so disappointed. They say, are you got

(01:57:34):
to be joking, right, You've got to be kidding. You
don't know where the Germany and Ruby centers to. No, sir,
I'm not really one of some shore Worth too. It's
in the district. You should know. Well, maybe I'm wrong,
maybe they should know. I don't know, but I think
I was kind of taken back by like you don't
know where it was two anyway, maybe it's just me
and Amy Taddy. I want to say thank you very

(01:57:56):
much for giving me the opportunity to speak on behalf
of the clients and workers are come to the Journey
Ruby Center on sausage.

Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
You have a great day, godless the very same tes.
Stay in touch, Garry, thank you, welcome, bye bye. All right,
let's see here quick check out on the twitter box.
You know the door vism open line emails are flying
fast and furious at openlineup YOSM dot com. My favorite
is when you join us live on the air, just
like you can right after this, don't go away, welcome
back to the show. Let's go to line number four.

(01:58:23):
Good morning Ruby or on.

Speaker 5 (01:58:24):
The air, Good morning Patty. How are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
I'm doing okay. Thanks how about you?

Speaker 5 (01:58:30):
I'm doing fine? Thank you A little bit. Sorry, but
I'll be okay.

Speaker 17 (01:58:35):
I have a question.

Speaker 5 (01:58:37):
My question is I don't know if you can answer me,
or if someone in the public can answer me. I'm
not going to name anybody. But if a party, for example,
whether be NDP, Liberal PC, it doesn't matter, have a
candidate that's been now questioned by the airs because of

(01:59:01):
a crime they may have committed or may not have,
are they allowed to be on the ballot.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
The short answer is yes, you know, until the basic
school of thought is unless you've been convicted of a crime,
whether it be related to politics or otherwise, it's hard
to tell that person that they cannot be involved as
a candidate. I would assume now that the party has
lots of options available to them. If they think it's
a problem inside their own party ranks, they can disqualify candidate.

(01:59:32):
I mean, when they vet candidates. You can be disqualified
for a variety of reasons. But in so far as
the general public, until someone's been convicted of something, it's
hard to tell them that they can't run. I suppose
that would be the general thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:59:45):
Okay, I wasn't sure. I just wanted the answer. I'm
not going to get into it because I'm sure there
are plenty know what it is I'm talking about. Anyway,
if you don't.

Speaker 4 (02:00:00):
I do know.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (02:00:03):
Okay, so you know why I'm asking the question because
if he's still on the ballot and he has a record,
or he's something to have a record, because apparently there
are more than one issue at state here, not only
the issue with the elections Canada, but with other as well.

(02:00:28):
But anyway, I'll leave it at that for now and
hopefully it'll come out in the marsh.

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
Yeah. And that's another thing, is like sometimes even if
there's an investigation or there's not, Like it's really difficult
for me to get any information from law enforcement that
actually acknowledges an investigation because they don't really owe the
public anything unless they until they go to lay charges.
Then it becomes public records. Right, So what you're talking about,

(02:00:55):
I've had a look around. I'm having a hard time
even confirming if there's an actual active indveststigation because being
asked the question by the police doesn't necessarily even constitute
an investigation being conducted. But I'd love to know because
some of what I read is like, oh, boy, we
better get to the bottom of this.

Speaker 5 (02:01:12):
Well, that's what I'm saying, and it's coming from more
than one angle, as you know, if you read it,
you read what I read, and there is more than
one accusation here. And I'll call it an accusation because
until it's proven guilty, I guess, or in the sense

(02:01:33):
whatever the case might be, it is an accusation. But
it's a serious one. And where is elections? Where is
the election committee or where is the party that's involved
here that they haven't asked them to step down tell
the investigation is completed.

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
I guess it's curious timing, and I've been asked why
I haven't mentioned it, But I think that I owe
to candidates and the listeners to be pretty careful with
thrown out allegations of criminal wrongdoing when we have no
worthly idea if there is any merit to it at all.
So I'm following along the best I can to see

(02:02:11):
how this unfolds. But I'm not going to be thrown
individual candidates under buses that I don't know who's driving
them or why they're driving them. So I just and
I know that's why you're being careful here. As well
this morning, because the worst thing I could possibly do
is to throw out unfounded accusations at one candidate or another.
It's not fair, it's not fair to the process itself,

(02:02:33):
and it's very likely just going to get me in
nothing but trouble when I don't have all the facts.
So I know what you're talking about. Ruby, I'll keep
trying to follow along with what's going on. I think
I probably should put it to the party executive about
if they can fill me in about what they know
and their stands on it, because that'd be probably a
good starting point because LA enforcement is not going to

(02:02:53):
tell me anything.

Speaker 5 (02:02:54):
No, And you're correct, I've been involved politically all my life.
I've worked inside those walls and I know I know
what I was allowed to do. I never ran publicly,
but I sat from an executive assistant to working with
the minister, and I know darn well that we had

(02:03:16):
to thread on very fine soil of what you were
allowed to do and what you weren't allowed to do.

Speaker 17 (02:03:24):
And if this party.

Speaker 5 (02:03:27):
Delegate or whatever in the candidate whatever we want to
call him, has been investigated and is there any truth
to what we have heard and read? I have read
the facts from a bank statement to whatever. I don't
know if it's true. I'm asking if anyone out there

(02:03:48):
can give us a proof that it's true. If so,
this person should not be on the ballot.

Speaker 2 (02:03:54):
Yeah, and if even let's just say, for instance, if
this person gets elected and it comes out in the
world that what I've heard is actually true, then that
person will inevitably be removed from office. But at that
point of course, then we're just gonna have to suffer
the cost of a by election and what have you.
But you know, and this is not about this one
particular issue, because people have sent me lots of stuff

(02:04:15):
that when I dig a little further, it's pretty easily
proven not to be true, because I can mock up
something that looks like a hydro bill as much as
I can something that looks like a bank statement. And
this is not about this case specific. It's just that
people feed me lots of stuff that when I take
the time to try and figure it out, you know,
sometimes and sometimes more often than not, it turns out
to be bogus. So I'll go to the party and

(02:04:38):
see what they think and get some idea of what
they know about what's going on because I'm just gonna
I'm going to proceed with a dollop of caution just
to be fair.

Speaker 5 (02:04:49):
And that's fair enough, Patty, I agree with you, and
that's like me. I'm not going to come out and
accuse anybody until I know, you know, are they investigated?

Speaker 4 (02:05:02):
That was my question.

Speaker 5 (02:05:03):
Can somebody prove that they are being investigate and is
there some truth to what I've read? That's what I'm asking.
And I don't care what party you're from, you need
to resign. Yeah, it's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:05:19):
I know where're coming from. Ruby leaving with me. I'll
get a comment from the party because they obviously know
what's going on. If someone was willing to send information
to me, you know full well they sent it to
the party.

Speaker 5 (02:05:30):
Of course they did. And that's why I'm wondering why
the party has not, you know, with this got put public.
It's public, it's all over Facebook. It's all over and
we know what Facebook is, but it's all over there.
Everybody knows it, but nobody.

Speaker 13 (02:05:51):
Can prove it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:53):
Yeah, let's see if I can get a little bit
more information that might make it a little bit clearer
for me and for you and for everybody else, and
I appreciate your time this morning. Ruby.

Speaker 5 (02:06:02):
Thank you very very much, Patty, and you have a
wonderful day for the rest, same to you.

Speaker 2 (02:06:08):
Thank you, Welcome, Hi, by bye. Let's see your final
words probably the line number two, Michael, you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (02:06:15):
Hither betting from I hope we got just a minute here.
It's eight thirty Mountain time, and they let us come
in a little later today instead of seven am ten
a m. Because it was supposed to snow this morning.

Speaker 4 (02:06:27):
First of the year.

Speaker 3 (02:06:28):
That's that's typical freest Idaho. It can be long, winter's
very cold. And I got four of the eight guys
I've been working with sixteen hours a day sometimes the
last three and a half four weeks, and they all wanted.

Speaker 11 (02:06:41):
To say, hello, guys, Okay, i'mres for something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:06:46):
Yeah, like you know, solutos from Idaho. So you guys,
you guys listen to the shelf from Idaho? All right?

Speaker 4 (02:06:53):
Can you can you hear that?

Speaker 3 (02:06:54):
Hear these guys talking.

Speaker 2 (02:06:55):
I can hear the guys talking.

Speaker 14 (02:06:58):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:06:58):
I thought that just might be something fun to end
your show with here, and I'm gonna go see my
ailing dad. In Boise, Idaho later this week with harvest
well hopefully done today tomorrow a big farewell party and
some of these guys go back to Mexico.

Speaker 4 (02:07:10):
Some have permission to work.

Speaker 3 (02:07:12):
Other jobs here. It's everybody's different.

Speaker 11 (02:07:14):
So I don't know, do you.

Speaker 3 (02:07:16):
Guys have overtime laws an exemption on overtime pay and
agriculture because we do here, because you couldn't afford to
pay time and a half sixteen hours a day, it'd
be put the farmers out of business. And your guy
tell me you do grow potatoes in Newfoundland.

Speaker 2 (02:07:31):
That's good, lots of them, and we know that's one
of the backbones of Idaho. I've actually been to Boise, Idaho.
It's beautiful. Yeah, Boise is a beautiful city. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (02:07:43):
I've spent six years of my childhood there and it's
always fun to visit. I normally live in Las Vegas,
but then I have my mother in Oregon. So do
it all in one big trip here this coming months.

Speaker 2 (02:07:53):
Yeah, I'm not sure the name of the community, but
we were playing golf on the Robert Trent Jones Golf
Trail and one of the courses was in Idaho, just
outside of the Boys you can't remember the name of
the town. It was probably Eagle.

Speaker 3 (02:08:04):
They have some golf courses out there.

Speaker 2 (02:08:07):
Yeah, Michael, say hello to the crew for me. I
appreciate your time this morning.

Speaker 16 (02:08:11):
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:08:11):
That's want to be able to get in really quick.

Speaker 2 (02:08:13):
Share you have me too many all the best, all right,
bye bye Hello from idoh hey, good show today, big
thanks to all hands. We will indeed pick up this
conversation again tomorrow morning right here on big Land FM,
O Pardon Me on VOCM and big Land FM's Open
Mind on behalf of the producer David Williams. I'm your
host Patty Daily. I have yourself a safe, fun, happy
table talk in the morning. Bye bye

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