Thursday August 28th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The biggest conversation in Newfoundland and laboratory starts. Now here's
VOCM Open Line host Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
so much for tuning into the program. It's Thursday, August
the twenty eighth. This is Open Line. I'm your host,
Patty Daily. Beth Vegan is back in the producer's chair.
You'll be speaking with Beth when you pick up the
phone to give us a call to get in the
queue to get on the air. If you're in the
Saint John's metro region, the number two dial is seven
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(00:30):
a toll free long distance one eight day eight five
ninety VOCM, which is eighty six twenty six. So for
tennis fans, all three men on the Canadian side are
in the singles event today at the US Open. So
that's Diallo and Shapavallof and oj li Assen. I'm gonna
try to take in at least a little bit of it,
all right. So, now that the Canada Games have common gone,

(00:51):
by all accounts, they are pretty big success given some
of the issues that the organized Committee had to deal with.
Of course, wildfires and otherwise people think that we should
be talking about the competitive nature of our athletes and
our teams. You know, I hear Danny Breen and Dan Bobbitt,
the mayors of Saint John's Paradise, talking about the venue legacy.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
It can be important. Some people kind of scoff at it.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
But when we now have more internationally and naturally certified venues,
here comes the concept and the potential for more sports tourism.
Because I'm sure hospitality operators don't care why you're here
as long as you're here. So if we can bring
in different types of events on the national stage or
the international stage because now we have the venue, that's
probably a very good thing, don't you think, insofar as

(01:36):
you know, nurturing our young athletes. You know, some are
just in it for the fun, best cold, some are
in it to be competitive and would be in the
ranks of so called elite athletes. For US, venues is
one thing, and it's important, but between coaching and most
importantly competition to get you to the next level where
you can't stick your nose in it on the national front,
to have a shot at some prizes and some medals.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Anyway, who want to take it on. We can do
it oh quickly.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
In the world of sports memorabilia, I remember back in
twenty twenty two at nineteen fifty two Mickey Mantle baseball card,
so for twelve point six million dollars at auction at
that time the most expensive piece of sports memorabilia Hold
my Beer twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
You'll remember that there was.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
A game more nineteen thirty two World Series Babe Ruth
Jersey so for twenty four million dollars plus again hold
my Beer. The Ruby Slippers of Dorothy Gale played by
Judy Garland, and the Wizard of Oz went for twenty
eight million dollars. Some people man, WHOA, I can then
do both stuff? So particularly good news for the Kingston
fire so was long burning out of control. Now it's

(02:38):
been deemed being held so remainers at ten thy ninety
five hectares in size. But when you hear from Provincial
Fire due to the officer Jeff Maddy, the work on
the north and west edges of the fire has gone well.
So obviously fire within the perimeter, but no, the containment seems.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
To be working all right.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
People will talk about returning home. For instance, Northern Bay
one side of the bay. One side of the community
is people are back in there. At the other side
not yet as the fire rage is on. So let's
talk about, especially if you are someone who's gotten back
into your community, about what you've seen and where to next.
There were some announcements yesterday regarding some additional supports. The

(03:16):
government's going to provide five hundred dollars to primary households
forced to evacuate for more than fourteen days in addition
to the five hundred dollar payment. What else we got here?
Evacuees staying in private accommodations with friends, family, or other
community members are eligible for a one thousand dollars per
household per month. Evacuees stay in a rental accommodations that
are eligible for up to fifteen hundred dollars per household

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per month.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Slightly confused with this bit.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
If someone can find any private or rental accommodations, the
New flanda Laborator Housing Corporation will help them find accommodation
at a licensed hospitality establishment. I suppose that means being
b and Airbnb. A hotel or motel run in the
private is going to provide a one time sleep and
stipend of fifteen hundred dollars to businesses with two to
nine employees and twenty five on hundred dollars to businesses

(04:01):
with ten to ninety nine employees. All right, seeing CBN
based business or businesses that employ people from the region
are also able to receive up to forty two weeks
of wage subsidies. Support program allocations increase one thousand and
two thousand dollars per employee. It also pertains to a
self employed individuals, all right, So some I think increases

(04:23):
that will be welcome. Whether or not that goes fire enough,
I'll leave that up to the individual listener. But anyone
impacted by the fires directly more than welcome to join
us on this program. They also refer to the fact
that some thirty five volunteer fire departments fought these fires
in August. So still waiting to hear what that means
for compensation for these firefighters and their brave efforts. So

(04:45):
be nice to have some information on that front. And
also CBS man charged and fined for breaking the fireban
first defense fifty thousand dollars, then of course fur the
vast majority of people. Now this felom might be able
to strow a check for fifty thousand dollars. I have
no idea, but fifty thousand dollars are straight to jail.
The number one pushback out here all the time is

(05:05):
that people are just not.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Going to pay the fine.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
You're probably right, which is why the government really does
need to proceed with the plan they spoke about for
folks who owe money, whether it be in violation of
the Highway Traffic Act or contraband tobacco or whatever it is.
Because we hear the stories all the time, there are
millions and millions of dollars of unpaid fines out there.
If the thought was community service, I know there's going

(05:27):
to be some liabilities and some logistics that have to
get worked out here, but that sounds like a really
good idea to me. What do you think, all right?
Back to school soon be all right? So there's a
lot going on. Obviously, a couple of listeners have sent
me very similar emails, and it's about after school programs
and transportation. So they've made many requests to the government

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all the way back to May twenty twenty four. No
permanent bust solution has been provided. So here's some of
the concerns kids underten expected to go home alone, unused
seats on buses while real needs go unmet, outdated systems
that don't reflect modern family life, parents for us to
consider daily taxes or uber for children. So they're talking
about a dedicated bus route between schools and after school centers,

(06:11):
letting daycare submit rider lists annually, no more last minute
seat request, updating NL's bus planning tool to reflect after
school care needs. So I told them I'd put them
out to put that out there for them, and we will.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
We did.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
We also foretold the other day that the problems is
adding some five hundred and twenty seven additional regulated childcare spaces.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Then it's followed by this number.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
There's nine and fifty two children on a wait list
to get childcare. So all right, there's a couple of
caveats that need to be added here. There is potential
for those who are kept on the wait list while
the family is still looking for more suitable care location.
So they may indeed have it, but they're staying on

(06:54):
the list. Maybe get a childcare opportunity or option closer
to where they live. Also, maybe some families have found
childcare early childhood education.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
But haven't taken the name off the list.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Regardless if it's ninety one hundred and thirty two or
eighty one hundred and thirty two or fifty two, that's
still a lot. So ten dollars a day daycare was
always a very good idea, but accessibility has to be
coupled with affordability in and around the same time. I'm
not suggesting it's easy, but that's still a huge number
of families that are waiting.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Your thoughts on it. We can talk about it all
right in the.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
As I heard Sarah Strickland say, the flurry of announcements. Look,
it's just a matter of time now before they call
an election by legislation. The latest they can wait is
September the sixteenth, to well offer twenty eight days of
a campaign. So you got a funny feeling it's commerce
suitor than later. So there's going to be The Educational
Court released this morning looking forward to having a look

(07:51):
at that. The ten year road map to change to
modernize the CAD twelve system in this province. You've heard
me talk about it repeatedly, even if we just focusing
on the academics of it. Even though everything has some
direct link or indirect link, whether it be violence in
schools or chronic apps andeeism. But academic outcomes have been
on a downward trend since two thousand and three. People

(08:12):
will take on earn a learning loss during the pandemic
and the hybrid system, and we're opening and we're not
and we haven't really done much in this problems. I
don't think they capture a full understanding of the learning
loss through the pandemic. But academic outcomes are near where
they need to be for our long term viability, our
long term success and prosperity. So I'm really looking forward

(08:33):
to hearing from doctors good Now and Burke.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Maybe we'll try to get him on the program next week.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Also, an update coming today on status progress or inside
the Healthy Court. So again we all feel the same way.
It's just a matter of days now assume until they
will call the election. But those two important documents, the
Education Court, Healthy Court. We'll get an update today, all right,
in the form of good news. Proviss Now decided to

(09:01):
move forward with a plan. I'llbet a pilot project for
nurse practitioners to no longer have to charge people cash
on the barrelhead if they're operating in a private clinic, they'll.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Simply build MCP all.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Right, So it's going to be some twenty nurse practitioners
that will be able to avail with this. Inside the statement,
it says the funding will also cover access to electronic
medical records. Okay, it's about two million dollars pilot project equipment.
Clinic Space supplies administrative support for nineteen hundred and fifty
hours of service per year, including sixteen hundred and sixty
hours of direct patient care. All right, So it'd be

(09:35):
great to have someone from the Nurse Practitioner Association. I'm
Jessica Peddl in particular. If you're listening, Jessica, I'd love
to have you on the program. This is good news
and a step in the right direction. But my question
will be, now that we know that this has been
modeled along some other province's approach to this, why exactly
is this simply a pilot. Is it to ensure that

(09:56):
the model is going to work for both the patient
and the nurse practitioner and the government. But if we
know that it's working in a certain form of fashion elsewhere,
it would be helpful to know that the pilot to
last about a year, will be closely followed while they
have a chance to work things out, closely follow with
nurse practitioners in the same billing model as this pilot
would represent. So good news, good step in the right direction,

(10:20):
But I still wonder why it's still only a pilot
at this moment of time. Like Jessica Pedal has spoken
quite pleased about this same thing with the Registered Nurses Union,
And for me and you normal Joe's and James and John's,
it's simply about access to primary care and what it
might mean for backlogs, what it might mean for people
who don't have a family doctor, what it might mean

(10:41):
for loosening up some of the stress in the provinces
of emergency rooms. So please to hear that announcement, and
I'll welcome your thoughts honest. Also, in the air of
trying to speak to some of the email questions and concerns,
I get this another one. We still await the problems
to implement the recommendation and deal with the issues broached

(11:01):
by the Auditor General and her team. All Right, Dennise
Hanran has done excellent work in my personal opinion, personal
care homes. Let's go. The operational standards.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Need to be updated.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
We know there are well documented concerns inside personal care homes,
and I think, you know, using the Personal Care Homes
Association's own words, they're happy to have compliance issues publicly
disclosed so that we can keep track of when something
is identified and the progress towards rectifying it. And that
could be anything from you know, a broken doorknob to
the inappropriate or incorrect administration of medication, of which we

(11:37):
have documentation on that front. This one is not the
same conversation necessarily, but I'll leave the facilities out, but
they're referring to the mass of retirement homes. This person,
who is a loved one of a resident in one
particular retirement home, says that there was someone working there
that was caught stealing narcotics. It's a serious offense. But

(11:59):
at the same same time, the police were not called,
no investigation, no charges, and the person was simply able
to leave the job, then move on to another retirement
home get caught doing the exact same thing. No reports
were filed, quietly dismissed, and consequently able to take on
this job elsewhere. I don't know why a retirement home

(12:19):
operator wouldn't recognize the serious nature of stealing narcotics and
act on it as they should. Get the police involved.
That's exactly who should be called when someone's caught doing
something like that. So people in retirement homes, and some
of them might be absolutely robust and hardy and handy
and able to fend for themselves, but we also have

(12:40):
some very vulnerable people living in these settings. So if
this can be what is it referred to as a
systemic failure, and or maybe just negligence and competence and
simply a criminal act, let's make sure that in these homes,
in these settings, if and when things like that happen,
let's get at it all right, keep going. So the

(13:03):
Upper Churchill Memorandum of Understanding plenty of conversation on it yesterday,
and that's a good thing for charactors. Asking questions is
critically important. This will be on the pathway to the
Defenditives Agreements, one of the most important documents that the
Province will ever signed. Much akain to the atlanticap Court,
and we're happy to take it on here today. There

(13:25):
has been a letter penned, an open letter released yesterday
to the province and that comes both to the government
and for the members of the Newfland Labator, Hydro executive
level and the Board of Directors. Let's get into a
little bit and they're asking questions. I think it's a
good thing and all the signatories are welcome to called.
They include Bird Coffee, former Clark of the Executive Council,
Chess Crosby, Jack Harris, Rowley Mertin, Deputy Minister of Finance

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in the past, longest serving director at nl Hydro, Bob Nosworthy,
former president of Pentacon, Roger Simmons for Federal Cabinet Minister
Walter Tucker, former Senior Vice President at SNC levelin Lauren Wheeler,
former Deputy Minister of Policy advisor and former Premier Danny Williams.
They're saying that the and this is only the form
of asking questions about the questions being asked. So they

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refer to it as a very one side of contract.
Call it the biggest strategic era in the history of
the province. And let's take into a couple of items.
So number one, they're saying that if the board at
Hydro does not put the thumbs down to it, that's.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Not how it's written.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
But that's the essence of it is that they should resign, okay,
But ultimately it's going to be a political decision, isn't it.
The Premier and Cabinet will decide whether or not this
goes any further. They talk about negotiations continue what's being negotiated,
because if we have, like the three person oversight panel
is only allowed to conduct oversight to what's contained in

(14:50):
the MoU, so negotiating what in particular, it'd be nice
to know, even if it's just the broad strokes of
what's being negotiated. They're talking about handling a monopoly of
the Churchill River Power or over to hydro Quebec, basically
because hydro Quebec has the full authority and control as
to whether or not to develop golf Okay, so electricity
demand has never been greater, no question, they'll talk about

(15:12):
lopsided benefits at the current structure of the Upper Churchial Contract.
So just a couple of questions, and any of the
signatories are anybody the general public absolutely free to call.
I think history has been pretty clear and this note
of thumbs up thumbs down to the MoU.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
This is just looking back.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
The province of Quebec and Hydro Quebec have been loath
to reopen the nineteen sixty nine contractor of the Upper Churchill.
How do I know that because we went to court
repeatedly to try to get exactly that done, lost every
single time. I think that tally's seven times in court.
Then they talk about the last remaining one of the
best hydro project projects in the country, and maybe the
world is a gall island. It's probably true. How do

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we develop Goll? Do people in the province want to
take on a mega project with partners without secure a market?
Because the biggest problem with muskrat not only was the
obliteration of the budget and the schedule, is that.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
We're the customer.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
We're the only customer.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
We've got a power that we owe to Ameri Nova
Scotia power because of the maritime link. But we're the customer.
So how do we get Gull developed without a partner?
And who that partner might be. I'll leave it up
to you for this or whoever under the sun. But
on top of that, the only way goal ever gets
developed is if there's some way to get the power out.

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Muskrat Falls is as much a transmission project as it
is a power generating dam. So who and where do
we go to talk about getting the two hundred and
twenty five megawats of gull out and power to market
wherever that market might be Ontario, Quebec, the Northeastern United States, whoever, wherever.
So there are good questions being asked. But I would

(16:52):
love to speak with any of the signatories, or of
course you are as our regular listeners and callers, about
exactly how we think about those particular issues.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
So anyway, it's a big deal. We should be.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Talking about it more than we happened in the past.
Yesterday's some calls on which I really appreciate. And so
that letter is out there for your consideration. You want
to take it on, we can do it on that front.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
And this was always going to be the case.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I'm not so sure how it's being reported as some
sort of earth shattering news, but launching this week, and
this comes from a National Resources Minister.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Tim Hodson.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
When the legislation was passed regarding major projects, struggle ready projects,
nation building projects via the legislation, there was always going
to be the need to open up a major project's office. Okay,
so we're going to need to know exactly what's being
considered as it pertains to this province, And apparently in
a couple of weeks we're going to find out the
first major projects that will be selected by that office.

(17:50):
They're talking about some of the pitches that have been
made and broad and these are not new. When we
talk about Germany and hydrogen, people in this province know
all too well about that particular approach that's been taken.
Also talk about liquified natural gas. Man the gas conversation
in this country is contentious and there was absolutely ridiculous

(18:11):
comments offered by former Prime Minister Trudeau talk about there's
no business case. It's not really the government's business to
talk about whether or not there's a business case. Private
sector companies come up with an idea, look for markets,
present the business case, and we go through the regulatory
approval process.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Like we do with everything else.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
So now we're actually talking about LNG apparently into Germany,
all right, And of course there's only one there's only
one natural gas distribution hub and that would be of
course Kiddemat and BC on the other coast. So access
to the European market. You would think there's going to
have to be some move a foot on that front.
So major projects, what does that mean for us?

Speaker 4 (18:49):
You know?

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I think the first one that people will point to
is whether or not there's some opportunity for the federal
government to pay the moneys in Narratica Lady too in
the United Nations law that says outside where economic Protective
Zone royalties need to be paid to developing nations, the
country's signed on the province is not, So maybe there's
something there. Does it pertain to the fixed link? It's

(19:11):
not my words, it's the federal government's words. They have
called it a nation building project. How do I know
because I said it repeatedly. It was in mandate letters
to successive ministers. It's been put in on the hands
of the Canada Infrastructure Bank. So was that something?

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Can it be categorized as SHOWB already?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
I'll leave it up to you.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Then people will talk about how it might relate to
this Upper Churchill business.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
One other part of the letter that I really should
have brought for it is one of the complexities for
me is the fact that there's four major projects all
in that one document, which will end up being ten
or twelve contracts if and when that happens, So they're
talking about unbundling. Hidakbank has never been willing to deal
with the uper Churchial on a standalone basis, but they're

(19:54):
not wrong when you include expansion of the Upper Churchill
and yes, the quadrupling of the or power recall block,
and then it's gull and then of course there's two
major transmission projects as well. We have risk on some
and not on the others. So how do we unbundle
it If Hydro Quebec doesn't want to just deal with
your pertecial under standalone basis, not because I'm just guessing

(20:17):
they don't, because again we've been in court many, many,
many times. It's like beating your head against the wall.
We lost every single time. And of course resolutions will
no longer be held in the Province Quebec or courtrooms
in the Province of Quebec. It'd be an Ontario, just
so that there's not that home field advantage for the
Quebec government and or Hydro Quebec. We're on Twitter or VOSM,
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(20:40):
When we come back, let's have a great show. Donovan's
in the queue to talk about a quarry on Port
Saunders Junior us talking about the fires and Tom what
gives us a water update?

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Up and Kill Bride Don't Go Away is open line
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Speaker 2 (20:54):
Welcome back to the program. Let's begin this morning on
the top of the board, line number one. Good morning, Donovan,
you're on the air. How are you doing okay?

Speaker 3 (21:02):
How about you?

Speaker 4 (21:04):
I'm not too bad.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
I'm a local fisherman from the ports Founder's and there's
a quarry that is planning on standing here in May
of twenty twenty six.

Speaker 7 (21:16):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
With the quarry that's gonna be standing over here, I'm
thinking that it's gonna.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Be a you know, cast in a dark shadow.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Over a Chierce logo fishery house.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
With the blasting and attraction processes, like it's gonna be
generating sediment and pludence that will contaminate our waters.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
What's the proximity of the quarry to the ocean?

Speaker 8 (21:40):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (21:41):
The quarry is probably a pretty close right next to
the ocean, because they got a loading docks and everything
there that they are building to put marriages and everything
into that wharf for loading and everything. I think it
consists of a they what was it they seventy eight this.

Speaker 8 (22:06):
From there?

Speaker 6 (22:07):
What they waters on back?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
So have you put these concerns either say, through the
FFA W or the Defartment Environment or defarment officials to
get some reaction from officials.

Speaker 6 (22:20):
I've been talking to other local fishermen, and I think
they feel the same way that I deal with it,
because even though like it might be bringing in other
other jobs for other people that are not fishermen, it's
just that they you know, it's just an environment or
a concern that it's leading to me. If directly though

(22:44):
on the hods of our fishermen, I don't know a
whole lot.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
So would the concern would blasts be things like vibrations
and underwater noise And I don't know what the the
toxics to the you're referring to that's resident from explosives.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
I assume is it?

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (23:04):
Okay, because like artificially haven't been that good here now
A and officially is just starting to come back, like
we're lobsters and everything. Like we've been doing pretty good
here in the last couple of years, and now they're
planning about this Cory in hair imports on theres and

(23:25):
what's gonna happen when he starts blasting and everything like
with with.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
The underwater vibration and everything.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
It's all going to drive the lots is clear of
here instead of bringing them in here.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, any idea how long blasting would are you talking
about the initial blasting the Corey open or the ongoing
blast explosions into the future.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
The ongoing like a it's it's going to be starting.
May I think you manage twenty twenty.

Speaker 9 (23:50):
Six to start getting it open.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
And they that's once a week.

Speaker 6 (23:59):
Like so you know, like they will be blasting that
same hun that we're efficient.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
I understand.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
So do you happen to know Donovan, if they there
was an environmental impact assessment done? If there was, I'm
just going to try to find it. If you happen
to know, I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
I think there there is something done on the government.

Speaker 10 (24:18):
In New Zeland and labnor about it.

Speaker 11 (24:20):
They speak talks all about it, right okay, but yeah,
you know all okay, I got to worry about my
lovely old here the same thing as the.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Rest of us do.

Speaker 6 (24:33):
Like our livelihood is in jeopardy. If they they take
to say the blasting and starts driving our official way.
How are we supposed to make a lovelihood Like, at
the end of the day, it's really not helping the

(24:55):
community because we rely on the fish way.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
I understand where you're coming from. So I wonder how
far out into the ocean we'll see underwater noise or
vibrations impact all marine life, whether it be blasting fishes,
blatters and or scurrying off the lobsters.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
I really don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
But now that you brought it up, I'll see if
I can't find the environmental impact assessment or statement and
see what that says and go from there.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I appreciate you let me know about it. This is
the first I heard of it, to be honest, Donovan.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
Yeah, because like a our fisherman, like a dependent on
these waters for generations. Yeah, and like now that they
put this quarry in here, and it's like they don't
care about the fishermen. All he cares about is fun
in that day, I can't even remember what they're going

(25:50):
digger they all and for like over in that quarry.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
It's just you just don't care.

Speaker 6 (25:56):
Like air forts are others we got all in the
costs from us are we call it middle iron and
the way they get AI generate it.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
It looks exactly.

Speaker 7 (26:10):
As if.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
You will look over if I'm up the main highway
here and see exactly where they're gonna out of a plot.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
And you'll be able to see it openly.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
I just popped up something some more information to see
about it.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
One hundred and seventy six Hector Rock Quary, approximately one
point five o' cloun or south of the town of
Port Saunders. The project would include one point seven o'
clomb access road, lay down, stockpile area, marine facility for
the expert of aggregate to international markets. So now that
I have captured some of this information, I will inform
myself a little bit better about it about who the
proponents are, what they're going for, what relates to the

(26:53):
environment on land and on the water or in the water.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
So now that I have it.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
In front of me, give me a chance to go
through it a little bit and we'll talk about it
on the show again.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Donovan, how's that they noble?

Speaker 10 (27:04):
Like?

Speaker 6 (27:04):
Is it like what is a you know?

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Like?

Speaker 6 (27:09):
Is that a vision is more than an occupation? Is
a way of light? Here.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, no argumentary people don't understand that. I don't know
if they understand it or not as whether or not.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
They're given a regard when we talk about this proposed
quarry and what it might mean for marine life and
consequently what it might mean for commercial fish harvests.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I will dig into this a little bit.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Further, Donovan, and when I have some information that I
can speak to with any type of authority, I'll do
exactly that. All right, I appreciate your time, thanks for
doing it. Thank you, Haddy, You're welcome, sir. Byebye. You
know a fairly reminder doesn't matter if I bring it up.
If it's important to you, let's talk about it. And
this is one that I think is in the news

(27:57):
yesterday and today that I did and I did read,
but I didn't bring it up off the top, and
let's just sort it out there. Artificial intelligence is everywhere.
I mean, we might not see it and recognize it
as being such, but it is absolutely everywhere and has
direct implications on our day to day life, whether or
not you realize it it does. It can be extremely
helpful when we talk about healthcare and other factors in industry.

(28:23):
But how it's used by the world's youth. Is still
something I don't think we've fully wrapped our minds around
whether it be sort of creating the absence of critical thinking.
And the reports are coming out, you know, we didn't
talk about the media lab.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
At MIT.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
They had a three control groups, one using artificial intelligence
like chatchipt generated a model, then another group just using Google,
and another group simply using their own minds and their
own research to write an SAT letter. Distinct outcomes, distinctly different,
and the folks using chat GPT not only was the

(28:58):
product inferior, but they they couldn't remember what had been produced.
And there was variety concerns this one here, and hard
to know what to tell how to say these things.
But there's a lawsuit that's been brought for by parents
of a young fellow named Adam Rain, sixteen years of age,
died on April eleventh, died by suicide. He had been

(29:18):
going back and forth for months with chat GPT about
his suicidal ideations, so they're now sewing him. So they're
using artificial general intelligence that prefers to computers that possess
consciousness much like humans. So it's a massive step beyond
beyond just normal artificial intelligence. So here's what was going on.

(29:40):
The chat boss was validating Adam's suicidal thoughts. Kevin detailed
information on lethal methods of harm, instructed him how to
hide his actions from his parents and hide evidence of
failed suicide attempts. Chat GBT even offered to draft a
suicide note. So, look, you're going to use it, they are,

(30:02):
whether it be to do their school work or for
just normal interaction that they might have had with their friends.
And now we'll choose to have it with these artificial
general intelligence. It is pretty brutal. Open Eyes spokesperson said
that they're saddened by reins passing, and they said CHUCHGBT
includes safeguards like directing people to crisis hotlines crisis helplines.

(30:23):
They say, while these safeguards work best in common short exchanges,
we've learned over time that they can sometimes become less
reliable in long interaction where the parts of the model
safety training may d grade. So again, for me, I
don't know much about it, but I do know that
as a parent, asking and talking with my kids about
how they may indeed be using it, whether it be

(30:45):
to replace their own hard work and effort in school
and or for things like chatbots. So it's a pretty
difficult story to talk about. But someone asked me why
I didn't bring it up because I have been talking
about AI.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
So there we go. Let's take a break when we
come backward speaking with you.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
This is open Line on the VOCM Bigland FM Radio network.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go Lender before Berna,
you're on the air.

Speaker 7 (31:09):
I'm morning Patty.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, jn oh, okay, it's Burna.

Speaker 7 (31:12):
How about you'll be better if the boat situation was better.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
But the Legionaire is ioed on sea trials now when
she'll be back, we don't know. Announcement hasn't been made.
I've seen there's been a little bit of pink put
on the outside of it, which is good.

Speaker 10 (31:31):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
But on satdter note, we have crewing issues now on
the boat, so the boat cannot run.

Speaker 12 (31:43):
We're not sure.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
Nine chances out of ten. It's probably got to do
with management who has no form of having to have accountability, communications.

Speaker 7 (32:00):
HR or PR.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
You can't run anything if you don't have them. For
elements and sadly we can see as the people the public,
how much we.

Speaker 7 (32:11):
Are not getting from this department.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
We protested in twenty twenty one, which mister Lovelace was
at that time the department manager, and again he's the
department manager now. The only thing has changed from then
to now is we were PCs. Now we're liberals and
we're not being treated any better. When mister Hutton first

(32:37):
came in, we had communication, we were for once being heard.
But every since mister Lovelace has taken over from mister
Hutton because mister Hutton was also the department manager for
the transportation infrastructure, and now everything that we worked so
hard for has gone backwards because mister Lovelace has the

(32:59):
final decision, the final say in everything that goes on
with the boat, but the ferry services rather. A prime
example is you recall it's not long ago when Fogo
and we had the incident with the ferry being down
and said that they would probably have to send the
astron here, and mister Lovelace got in on and said

(33:23):
it was their entitlement, their rights to protest that because
that was their second ferry. It's not that is the
swing vessel. The astron is the swing vessel. We got
it in right and from mister Dutton and this information
like it's competing one against the other, audience against the other,
and it's not right. There's no accountability for this department.

(33:47):
And last week we had three days that crewing issues
so they didn't have enough crew to do the first
trip of five o'clock, so the boat did not start
till six o'clock. Notification came in the morning at four
point thirty for the people.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Quick question for you, Burner, So, like, what constitute being
treated fair? And how is the ferry system ever going
to be managed? That doesn't end up feeling like are
sounding like pitting one community versus another?

Speaker 7 (34:17):
The thing is.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Plenty, of my opinion, we have to take care of
the management first, because you need accountability. Okay, you're going
to work and if somebody calls in sick, isn't there
a plan in place so somebody takes your place? Is
it management doing their job?

Speaker 10 (34:37):
No?

Speaker 7 (34:37):
But like you said, is it managed?

Speaker 5 (34:38):
Yeah? But okay, this is okay, let's put an essential service.
Wouldn't you think it would be in place?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I'm not disputing your points, I'm just I asked a
question that really doesn't have anything to do with that is,
let's just say all the management in the marine fleet
services are gone today and replaced tomorrow with new fresh eyes,
with the better communication strategy. That how could the system,
regardless of who's managing it, not end up feeling like

(35:07):
and sounding like putting one community against another, Because that's
what happens, regardless of people want to feel that way,
whether it be with the larger vessels and Fogo Island
and Bell Island.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
So because, Patty, the thing is the reason of competing
against one against the other is because the government is
doing it, not the people of the of these communities.
It's the government who's competing one against the other.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Okay, this is that is the difference.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
And like I said again, laquer of communication miscommunication. Fogo
was told that that was their second theory. We were
told that the astronat is the swing vessel. There's a
there's a prime example of Laquer communication miscommunication.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I can't dispute that point. But ultimately there's a finite
number of vessels period, right, yes, all one hundred.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
Percent, and that is because of neglect of them not
doing their jobs on the recommendations and the studies that
they have done going forward, what they should be doing
and if you're setting on your hands doing nothing.

Speaker 12 (36:13):
What's going to get done?

Speaker 5 (36:14):
And this is the sad part of this last ten
years that the liberals have been in that there's been
too much setting on your hands and not enough pens
in hands, phones in hands, communications taking place to get
this so that these problems don't take place.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Well, I mean when government does a poor job communicating,
which is more often than not, and not just this government,
successive governments right across the country, including the federal government.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
So I can't argue to that point because I agree
with it in full.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
And it's pointing the fingers, Patty, You've got to stop pointing.

Speaker 7 (36:45):
The fingers at gone by.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Well, it's because of this, this is here because of this.
Stop pointing the fingers and stop bullying. Stop telling workers.
And I guess I don't know what the crring issues are,
but if we're not being told anything and we're being
treated like we are not important enough to have it
essential service, how are these workers feeling. I understand there's

(37:09):
people that have been working sixty plus days to take
up the slack of whatever is going on. I don't
know if people are being reprimanded or they don't have
enough crew there or what is going on? Or people
are just set up with the management that they do have.
And I mean, you're only as good as your management.
And if you fear if you're treated like crap, don't

(37:30):
you feel like crap?

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (37:34):
And they can't open their mouth because and I mean
to get their unions behind them. It takes time and
to in regards to if I was this year was
going on for the last week that we didn't couldn't
get the boats of, wouldn't you have a meeting asap
with these unions to say let's get this fixed because
this can't happen. We got to do whatever it takes

(37:56):
and fix this problem. But it's going on and on
and on. Just one and we had it again and
the people of bell Island cannot get to work on time.

Speaker 7 (38:06):
So what's going to happen.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
These people are going to lose their jobs, They're going to.

Speaker 7 (38:09):
Be on welfare, going to be on EI for a year.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
It's not fair to the people of bell On. It's
not fair to anybody anywhere. And if the nine chises
out of ten, if right now they got crewing issues here,
pretty soon they're going to have the other communities because
a lot of times they send them off.

Speaker 7 (38:26):
To other places.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah, I do have to get going.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
But what I will say is I'll get out in
front of the emails that are going to flow in
and say, well, just tell Verna to move. Okay, easy
enough for someone to say who doesn't live Bell Island.
But I'll also add move where. I mean, if we're
talking about moving to the city, the city, there's nowhere
to live. I mean, it's as simple as person. There's
very little outso to buy. Vacancy rate in and around
Saint John's is less than one percent.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
So while you're going to write.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Me emails saying people on these islands need to move,
then do me favor in the email suggest where they
can move. I mean, if we're talking about Bell Island.
If you're talking about Saint Brendan's or fog or somewhere
not around the northeast Avalon, then it's a different conversation.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
But anyway, Vernon, I got to get going. Understanding your frustration.
Thank you, get Kate, Patty you too, all the best.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
All right, goodbye, all right to us, take a break
on me, come back. We're going to talk about the
forest fires and get a water update from Tom and
then whatever you want to talk about, don't go away.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
He's open line on the VOCM big Land FM Radio network.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number two.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Junior.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
You're on the air.

Speaker 12 (39:27):
Oh I hi there, j I sorry, Patty, I had
just shut off the side by side Okay, okay, So
happy Thursday to Patrick and best today.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
By the way, thanks a lot, Sam. Do you good.

Speaker 12 (39:46):
I'm calling now, Patty. I'm trying to find it. There
was a forest fire in central New Filand area on Monday. Now,
nobody knows about it. The Premier didn't say anything about it,
and I'm whether he knew better than not something at all.
But to the best of my my knowledge, there was
a forest fire in the West Lake area and there
was helicopters employed to look at it, and it was

(40:08):
put out, I'd say, by the torrential rains that we
had on Monday night.

Speaker 7 (40:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I thought I heard the Premium make reference to it.
They called it a small fire, maybe approximately one hector
and size that was put out. Didn't I hear him
say that? Yes?

Speaker 12 (40:22):
And if you did, that's perfect because I did not
hear Patty okay on the update on money. So that's good.
The fire was put out, But Patty, I also heard
this morning there's mans he could be chaired fifty thousand
dollars for having a fire in his backyard.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 12 (40:40):
So this fire was caused by heavy machinery in this
area by a woods contractor to the rest of my knowledge,
and the fireman was on So is he has he
been reported and is he going to get a fifty
thousand dollars fine?

Speaker 3 (40:57):
I have no way of knowing.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Just a quick note of carlification regarding the fellow yesterday
from CBS who's been charged.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
I don't know if it was in his backyard or not.
They talk about it in the area of Pond Road in.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Caligrew, so I don't know if that was alongside the
pond or in his backyard.

Speaker 3 (41:11):

Speaker 2 (41:11):
But he did indeed set an open fire and was
fined fifty grand and fireband azone right, Yeah, it's it's
in place until September the seventh.

Speaker 12 (41:22):
Okay. So these operators, these contractors, they've been cutting all
the fireband zone, extremely high temperatures, forces like a tinder box,
and they've been up cutting wood with hot exhausts, chains
and captain sparks. And we were told as citizens of
New Cheland not to go on our roads, not to

(41:42):
use our side by sides or our etvs, even if
we're going to our cabin on roads that are passable
by two wood trucks. So basically, you know, we were
told not to do it, but still they're allowed to cut.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Plenty of commercial operations got shut challenge.

Speaker 12 (42:01):
Yeah, they they get shut down, Patty, But firebands still
land and they're still up there now cutting. So you know,
is there a difference between us and there don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
But I mean if anyone is concerned about any of
this type of activity, there's people you can contact, primarily
well the starters, I mean, if you think it's a
law enforcement issould find but even just the fundamental email
of forced fires twenty twenty five at golf DOTA and
l dot CA. If people want to offer support or
equipment or whatever the case we be, and or to
report something that you think should be understood by the government,

(42:34):
I would do that.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Now.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I'm not suggesting, you know, everyone needs to become some
sort of fink, but if you have a concern regarding
forest fires and operations. I do both of what I
just mentioned, and I.

Speaker 12 (42:45):
Did Patty, and I couldn't find anything out that was
like fire. So that's why I'm calling to make sure
there was one, to make sure it was put in.
So that's what I call for, Patty, just to see
if they're under the same constrictions that the people of
newfle Am were put on there, and if not, then
they should be because like I said, that's heavy machinery
working in their force and the fire was in the force,

(43:08):
so it's basically a forest fire. And Patty, before I go,
I had to talk about the mo Ou. Patty has
bothered me. It's the mo Ou. Are we going to
ever have a PLATA site on that. Let's go with
our pros and our cons and let the people have
a PLOTH site. I saw the Premier former Premium round
the other day talking about m OU and how wrong
it was, and still we had mushrat falls pushed down

(43:31):
our throats. There was no Pleabi site on that. There
was no MOUs on that. And I call Randy Simms
open line ten years ago whenever it was to have
a PLATA site on mushrat falls. So here we are
thirteen billion dollars in the hole because of mushrad Falls,
and then I hear this man talking about how we
should you know, not go with Quebec again. Petty before

(43:53):
I go, is that like the cat will calling the
pot plack in.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Some form, people will talk about the self awareness or
lack of on this front, and I get it. And
Danny's big boy, and I think he's probably going to
call this program sometime into the future. Just a couple
of things and reading between the lines ish. I think
after Danny resigned and Kathy Dunderdale assumed the premier's role,
that pretty much she and other political parties, including many

(44:19):
people in the PC Party, they ever called him that
next election the muskrat Falls election, right, And I think
John Hogan, Premier Hogan, is doing something very similar here.
He's calling this coming election, which can't be very far away,
the MoU election. So I think that's how they've talked,
you know, are considering requests or considerations of plebiscites, referendums,
of whatever the case would be, because he's pretty much

(44:41):
labeled this election the MoU election. And now he might
have accused Tony Wakem doing something that they may or
may not do is you know, pause this to the
point where HYDROKPEC walks away and looks at small nuclear reactors.
I don't know if that's the case, but so people
are calling it the upper Churchill Memorandum of understanding election
and just my thoughts on the friendom and this gets

(45:01):
me in really hot water for some reason. Until something changes,
like the mythical East West Energy Corridor, then Quebec is
and always will be the customer for the power. Why geography.
I mean, I know people are loth to like anything
to do with the problems in Beech. I get it,

(45:22):
I totally understand, but just look at the map. There's
only one way to get the power out unless we're
talking about building all big cables under the water.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
It's through Quebec.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
And in twenty forty one they remained the customer for
our pertrchial power.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
It's just these are just facts. I'm not trying to
make anything up here.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
And with the referendum like Thatisill keep us on the
show yesterday and he said that had the same suggestion
let's put it on the ballot, But then he went
down to say that we should not be doing business
with Quebec and people have a justifiable concern, question or
anger or hate against the province of Quebec. How many
people would vote no to this deal simply because the

(46:01):
other party is Quebec. And if the same contract or
MoU is in place and the other party was Nova Scotia,
I think people think about it differently. So that's why
I think we'd have an emotional vote as opposed to
something based on facts and debate and discussion and discourse.

Speaker 12 (46:16):
And you're right, Petty, and right now, from what I've heard,
I'm the fig DMU I'm for it right now. But
I'd like to hear you controls and the cons and
the be guys and talking about it and regular people
talking about it, and at least let's have a vote
on it. And I'm not a game's Quebec Patty. If
we're going to get money out of this, and let's
get money because we need to pay off that thirteen

(46:37):
billion dollars day.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah we got more than that too. You know, if
you back moss cride up, which is not included in
our sovereign debt at this moment in time or our
provincial net, that part of me so that's over seventeen
billion in addition to the muskrat noose around our next junior.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
I going to get to the news, but I appreciate the time.

Speaker 12 (46:55):
Wonderful, Patty, and I appreciate your time. You don't best
that great day.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
You too, Bye bye. All right.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
So Rudy was in the Cuberty singles. Didn't like to
get him ba because he's talked about one of the
food banks and some information we need to understand. Tom,
you stay right there to talk about the water situation
out and kill Bride and then how were doing on
the phone's Beth, Let's get at us, don't away is.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Open line on the VOCM big Land FM radio network.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Let's go to line number six and good morning, Tom.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
You're on the air.

Speaker 10 (47:24):
Good morning, Patty, Patty. I'm calling this morning to update
people about the issues. As you know, we've spoken several
times about our water while was here and Kill Bride,
and of course water is in the news all over
the city now because there's a bit lack of rainfall
and people's wells. You know a lot of people's wells

(47:46):
have been growing dry because historically that wells do go
dry when we don't have rain. But in the case
of us, for the purpose of your listeners, they have
a construction here along the main road which is essentially
drained their wells. And so we've been trying for since
twenty twenty one now to get the issue addressed. As

(48:09):
city council. We filed claims, they were denied. We file
more claims, they were denied. We sent in reports, pictures,
historical data, everything all denied, and all throughout this, of course,
our councilor Carl originally was involved with us. As a
matter of fact, over the last couple of months now,
I've spoken to Carl probably one hundred times, and essentially

(48:31):
there's about forty one of us forty one households affected
by the construction that caused us to lose our water
in the city would never acknowledge the problem. However, I'm
pleased to report now that thanks almost solely to the

(48:52):
efforts of Carl Ridgely, the city issued forty one fifteen
thousand dollars checks to the forty one people affected. And
as I'm speaking right now, I'm sitting in my backyard
looking at a well drilling company drilling me and ar
Teasian will again. This was solely solely due to the

(49:16):
efforts of our counselor. I got repeated calls from Counselor Elsworth,
from Deputy Mayor O'Leary, and from Counselor Davis and all
them saying, you got us, take Carl from jumping on us.
We will approve it. We will approve it thanks to Carl.
And you know, I'm calling this morning just to update

(49:36):
you and to let people know that I listened to
a call last week about a gentleman talking about the
seventy five year old lady in her water walls. Well,
that seventy five year old lady is one of the
forty one and she's getting fifteen thousand dollars to digg go. Well,
so I can't say enough good things about Carl and

(49:59):
what he did this district. And you know that's why
I'm calling mainly is to support him, because there was
a lot of misleading information in that call, and I
wanted to just update people that Carl was always available
and always able to address this and solely to him,
we now are getting our water.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
And go down them. It's a pretty big issue that
for some reason doesn't get the kind of attention that
it needed. You know, there has been an awful lot
of protests and calls and emails and all the rest
of it, but this is pretty fundamental stuff, you know,
when the community was asking for just the basic services
that the rest of the city is getting and then
just to wake up and see the big bill in

(50:39):
their mailbox is just that type of disconnect cuts everyone
off on the wrong foot to begin with. And while
we're talking about Kilbride ghouls and stuff like that, there's
also a place in the city, in the Gloucester Street
area where there's this one particular email that says they're
home is fifty feet from the city hook up. Yet
they're on a well run strive every single year, you know,
they're having to get water delivered to drink and to

(50:59):
flush toilet and all the rest of it.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
So, I mean, what.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
We're talking about living in or a close proximity to
the capital city in a province of Canada and have
these ongoing water concerns is I'll use the words strange.

Speaker 10 (51:13):
Well, you know, and again that's an issue I've been
dealing with Carol in our area and it's throughout the city.
You say that you take an area of Thorburne Road
there just beside the Avalon Mall, no water and sore,
right beside the Avalon Mall, no water and sore. And
I've been an advocate for those people forever. But in
our particular issue, of course, you know, we had all
even though the city has given us it is our

(51:35):
money now the digger, well, the city still says, you know,
it's without prejudice. Week we didn't cause the problem, but
here just to get you guys to go away. But
there's a large issue in this city with the inaction
of council to provide residents with basic services. And it's
only because again and I know I'm saving at Naugium here,

(51:56):
it's only because of Carol who constantly it wrote this,
when the council on he meets every two weeks, will
call for emergency meetings in between those two weeks to
deal with us. And you know, man, I know, I'm sorry,
but I can't say good enough about him because of
what he's done for us and solve our problems, because
nobody knows what it's blake. If I had the mayor

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and Counselor Elsworth and Counselor Elswood also played a key
role in this who actually came out and visited us,
and I showed both the mayor and Ron you know,
here's a well fifty feet from this well. This world
is now dry and you paid for that well. And
that's when he admitted, yeah, yeah, I think we caused
the problem. So so again, thanks to him, we have water.

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And you hear any noise, Now, it's because the well
drilling company are setting up here and they'll be immediately
setting up to my other neighbors to get water. So
and that's why I call it, was to just update
people and to know that people say you can't fight
city hall. Well yeah, you can fight city hall and
you can win if you have somebody who's on your side.
In this particular case, it was car originally.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Good news and I guess way to go, Carle Ridgeley.

Speaker 10 (53:05):
Yes, thank you, thank you for taking my college money.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Patty, no problem, Tom, I'll the rest by by bye.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
All right, Uh let's see here. Let's go to line
number two. Terry around the air.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Hi, how are you doing doing?

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Okay? How about you?

Speaker 13 (53:20):
I'm doing awesome. So I'm calling today to advertise I'm
having a yard sale Saturday. This Saturday and Sunday from
nine to one at five seventh Avenue, Pasadena.

Speaker 7 (53:35):
All proseeds are going to go to.

Speaker 13 (53:37):
The Southwest Coast s p C A. People can either
pay with money or with donations.

Speaker 7 (53:44):
That that the SPCA can use.

Speaker 13 (53:47):
And it's in loving memory of j C.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Who's j C.

Speaker 7 (53:53):
Jac was my tag?

Speaker 3 (53:55):
What kind of dog was Jac?

Speaker 7 (53:58):
I've it was.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Too And so you want to tell us a little
bit about Jac? How old is JC a girl or
a boy?

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Well?

Speaker 13 (54:09):
JAC was a dog that I don't know if you
remember in Pasadena that was taken and oh yeah, and kill.
So I want to I want to get back to
the SPCA because I've got two of my other animals
from them, and they're wonderful to deal with and you
can tell how much they really truly care about the

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animals that they're taken care of and animals in general.
So I just want I just wanted to put it
out there because, like I said, I don't have any
social media now or anything like that, and I didn't
really know. My sister posted it online for me, but
I wanted to get it out there bigger because if
anybody wanted to do donations for SPCA, like, I'll gladly
take it out to them and they can pay with

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either money or anything that they can use cat litter,
cat treats, through dog whatever.

Speaker 7 (54:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah, look, if you don't want to, I get it.
Do you want to remind people of the story about
Jac just maybe to bring more people to your yard tale?

Speaker 7 (55:09):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (55:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (55:10):
So Jac was taken from my home in October and
I found him in a field, well he was killed.
Somebody killed him and I found him in a field
directly down the road from my home.

Speaker 7 (55:28):
So he was like he would have been too.

Speaker 13 (55:31):
He was two and in the previous August he was
only a baby, right, and he was such a beautiful dog,
like very well behaved, loving and you know, just wonderful
to come home to every day and stay m there
and you know, be a part of his life. And
I was cut too short. I really I want to

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get back to the SPCA. So if there's anybody out
there listening and you want to help animals or animals
in general or whatever, Saturday in Sundays your time to
you know, donate if you'd.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Like, Good on you for doing it.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
And I think it's safe to say that people who
work at places like the SPCA volunteers and or on
staff their hearts in the right place.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
I mean, it takes a special kind of person to
be involved with these organizations.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
And I've always had a soft spot for animals and
dogs in particular, even more so recently. And it's a
big part of our lives right and in many respects
that we don't deserve dogs.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
They're too good for us.

Speaker 7 (56:36):
Oh, you've got that right.

Speaker 13 (56:39):
I believe the same thing. They're angels on Earth.

Speaker 7 (56:42):
They really are.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Terry, give the details on the art set one more
time for the listeners.

Speaker 13 (56:47):
So it's at five seventh Avenue, Pasadena this Saturday and
Sunday from nine to one. It's in the garage behind
the house, so when you pull into the driveway you
won't see it, but you have to go behind the
fenced in backyard and there's a white garage there.

Speaker 7 (57:00):
It'll be inside the garage so it'll be rain or shine.

Speaker 13 (57:03):
You can you can take whatever you want. It's donation based,
so you can pay with money or you can bring
supply for the STCA. And I was talking to them
last night and I got their EMT email address, So
whatever comes in all proceeds is going directly to them.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Terrific stuff. I was scrambling to find my pin when
I asked for the street address.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Can you give it what?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
I just found my pin? Can you give it to
me one more time? I'll jot it down because inevitably someone's.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Going to ask me for it.

Speaker 13 (57:31):
Yeah, it's five seventh Avenue, Pasadena.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Thank you very much. I hope you're doing well.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
I am.

Speaker 7 (57:39):
I'm doing I'm doing good.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Thanks, Terry. Appreciate you taking my car, my pleasure. All right,
bye bye, Oh boy, let's see here. Let's take a
break while gome back. Tony also wants to time in
about the proposed quarry out in Port Sanders And I
think well, I saw a corner of my eye. Jessica
Pattle from the Nurse Practitioners Association. She wasn't a que
dropped out. I'm sure she's a busy woman. But we
anticipate speaking with Jessica as well this morning about the

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pot of program coming FOREID Nurse Practitioners.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
We'll find out a little bit more about it, and
then we're speaking with you. Don't go Away is.

Speaker 1 (58:09):

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number four. Tony,
you're on the air.

Speaker 14 (58:17):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Are you this morning?

Speaker 5 (58:19):
That?

Speaker 3 (58:20):
How about you?

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Not too bad?

Speaker 14 (58:22):
I suppose I'm calling pertaining to the proposed quarry development
for the Forts Saunders region. We've been a while agetting
that distu guess, but anyway, we were at the point
now that we're in. We're into the environmental assessment process
and that is getting close to completion. And we had

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the public meeting here in Fort Sunders last week. I
guess where anybody to come out and asked the question,
and a lot of people did, and hopefully we answered
the questions that were being asked. So we felt good
at the meeting at that time to you know, to
go ahead with development.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
So obviously you're one of the proponents, are you, Tony,
I'm the mayor. Oh you're the mayor?

Speaker 6 (59:11):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Oh okay, because it just as Tony on my screen,
I apologize, mayor.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (59:17):
So I'm not used to be calling the mayor.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Okay, Well I can call you Tony if you prefer.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Yeah, okay, Tony. So let's take into a little bit.
So obviously there'd be some concerns on land obviously, but
we had a call from a fish officer earlier talk
about some of the impacts on marine life, whether it
be sediment that will fall into the ocean, whether it
be the residue from explosives, the other underwater vibrations. I
suppose it's hard to answer those questions, specifically if the

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proponents have not completed the environmental impact assessment.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
But what did you hear when those concerns were broached, Well, my.

Speaker 14 (59:51):
Feeling was that, I mean, most of the questions that
were asked at the public meeting were addressed, and you're
not going to, I guess, satisfy everybody anyway. But the
proposed development that's kind of out of sight of the community.
And by the way, I am a fisherman as well,
and I've been one for a long time, a lotter fisherman,

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and the development, to the best of my knowledge, is
going to have not going to have any effect at all,
And laughter fishery, I don't see anything happening there. When
it comes to the loftter fish tree and other side
of that, you know, there's things happening in this area
that we have very little employment, We have no youth.

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We have some, but we have very few youth young
people here in this uh, this area, and we've been
working at this for a while now to try to
get something to happen here in this area. So it
is that we can bring or bring some people home
or or keep some of our people from going away.
So the fishery is in a terrible condition. Uh and uh,

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we need to do something other than the fish tree.
At one time you worked at the fishery. When that
was over over, you went work in the woods. There's
no woods to work at anymore. So we had to
try to reach out and do something to try to
help this town and survive.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
What kind of job creation are you looking at with
this proposed quarry, Well.

Speaker 14 (01:01:11):
This proposed quarry, if it goes, is not gang yet,
but if it goes, it's going to start off with
the sixty five physicians and maybe grow as the quarry grows.
We're doing something similar to what they have done in
Lower Cove and the Port of Port Peninsula. And they've
been in Lower Cove now for thirty years and they

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started out there with sixty jabs. And right now in
Lower Cove, do you have one hundred and one. So
we're hoping that we are going to try to help
make this town to survive and even boost it a
little bit if there's any way possible.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
So can you give us, to the best of your
recollection some of those concerns about underwater noise and the
impact on whether any marine life lobsters included, Like what
were people saying in answer to those questions.

Speaker 14 (01:01:59):
Well, mean, the for the first thing, there's going to
be about every two weeks is going to be a
blast that's going to be shaking up some rocket. I
don't know what that is going to affect anywhere into
the town. This is not a mine, so open fit
quarry yep. So you're not going to underground for to
shake up the years and underground. When it comes to

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the laughter fishery, there's a boat that's going to become
one in maybe to push a month, and that boat
is staying in the run and most laughter fishing when
they're fishing and what we call all the run, they're
fishing in older water and stuff like that, and the
dust is all controlled by the water in case basins.
So there's going to be minimum amount of dust that's
going to be coming from this operation.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Like most, I don't know a whole lot about this
particular one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
But when they talk about the aggregate, the quarry materials
is generally used for roadway developments and the like. Right,
so is the proposal to ship out all that's blasted
and all the aggregate from horts or is this just
for general use for whoever wherever.

Speaker 14 (01:03:03):
No, it's going to be shipped in Okay, there's going
to be a docking facility, not in not Winning our
Herbryn or Nick Herbert Jason to us, there will be
a docking facility and the ship will come in boy
I understand us a couple of times a month and
ship the agger get out to parts of the United States,

(01:03:24):
Okay or wherever it is needed, and it's used for
road building, bridge building, building buildings and so on and
so forth.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Interesting, I did, indeed bring up the one document Tucket
fine on this particular thing. It includes the undertakings who
are registered as the ports owners Northern Minerals Limited, Quarry,
Happy Valley, Goose Bay, South Branch Road Quarry h Then
there's another one to talking about quota recault papers. So
these are all the quarry developments that are being considered,
including the one ports owners, which I've got it in

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front of me, but of course I'm busy doing the
show at.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
This moment in time. But I sent it to my
email to have a look at it over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Okay, I appreciate the time, Mayre, thank you very much
for fir time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
I appreciate yours. Are you running again?

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Okay, good for you. Appreciate it, thank you, Thanks, Tony,
all the best, Bye bye. All right, there you go.
Let's go to lineable one. Gabriel, you are on the air. Cool,
I think, Patty, how are you best?

Speaker 10 (01:04:20):
Kind?

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
How about you?

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
I'm going all right?

Speaker 11 (01:04:23):
I suppose.

Speaker 15 (01:04:26):
I want to take the opportunity right now to promote
a New Zealand wrestling show happening this weekend.

Speaker 16 (01:04:32):
All right, So this Saturday, August thirtieth, it's going to
be at Catamaran Park Campgrounds, Inner City Wrestling.

Speaker 15 (01:04:43):
They're going to be having their third edition of Slam
Away Camp.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
It's going to be excellent show.

Speaker 15 (01:04:53):
I feel there's three matches I want to bring up
before I do the I do have to mention one thing.
There is one wrestler that was supposed to wrestle the weekend.
One of our wrestlers, Jeremiah Javon. He was supposed to compete,
but unfortunately he won't be able to due to medical issues.

(01:05:18):
So hopefully a speedy recovery for him. As for everybody
else though, we have three matches announced so far.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
The first is a.

Speaker 15 (01:05:31):
Singles match taking place is going to be the mad
Man Sarah Aziz. He's going to be facing off against
one of our newest wrestlers, Bay Mystereo Excellent high Flyer.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
He's a very popular wrestler so far.

Speaker 15 (01:05:49):
The second match that we're going to talk about is
our second match that viewers are going to see, is
a story featuring former teammates, former brothers now nothing more
than bitter enemies. Those are Defiant Axel Mason and Fearless
Brady Felix. And finally, we have a title match happening

(01:06:12):
at Katamaran Park between the ic W champ The dark
Horse Shannon Shaw. He's going to go one on one
with hell Raiser Justin Locke in the middle of Katamaram Park.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Who's the favorite hell Raiser?

Speaker 15 (01:06:30):
I can't. I can't say favorite. Sorry, I may mainly because.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
I have a lot of favorites.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Yeah, and I meant who's the favorite in that particular matchup?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
That's almost oh oh okay.

Speaker 15 (01:06:44):
I would say probably, yeah, I would say probably call
Raiser justin Locke.

Speaker 9 (01:06:50):
I would say.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Fundamental question.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Does Inner City Wrestling have like producers and writers or
do the wrestlers kind of do it for themselves?

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
That's a question. The wrestlers they put.

Speaker 15 (01:07:10):
They puts their own matches together as to what you
want to see.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
As far as behind.

Speaker 15 (01:07:19):
The scenes stuff though, like music, entrances all that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
Yet there are producers like that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Yeah, you would have to assume so, right, because it
is entertainment as much as it is the physicality of
the wrestling itself.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
So that's a good thing. Anything else you want to
say about it? Before I ask you give it the details?
Where the winds one more time?

Speaker 15 (01:07:43):
The only thing I'm going to say right now, I
unfortunately can't give any other names out at this time,
but I'm sure we'll have some more surprises, some more
twists and turns for the show.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
There is outside of Mysterio, who.

Speaker 15 (01:08:00):
I already mentioned, there is another new guy. I don't
know he's compete in the weekend or not, but there's
another new guy in New Play Wrestling that he is
an opera gummer. I'm really hoping he's involved as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Okay, just in the big scheme of things in the
world of professional wrestling. Who's your favorite of all time?
For for like Ratling as a whole Yeah, yeah, le.

Speaker 9 (01:08:29):
Oh, that goes.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
Right to Derry w E.

Speaker 15 (01:08:33):
I'm a pretty big I'm pretty big.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
Johnson a guy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
He's more of a Hollywood actor now, but anything else
his name he is.

Speaker 6 (01:08:43):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
I'll throw a couple out there, uh, you know, back
when we were kids, Bruno Sammartino. Uh can obviously say
the macho Man, Randy Savage, big fan, Uh, Brett the
Hitman hair one of my favorites of all time. Rick Flair,
guys like that. Yeah, I don't really watch us anymore, though,
I have to be honest.

Speaker 15 (01:09:04):
Well in that case, in that case, if you have
the opportunity, you probably had got a rampart watch.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
That to watch Inner City Wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
If I come out, I'll be dropping the big elbow
on somebody. Hey, real, have fun, enjoy the show. Thanks
for your time, PROD. Hey buddy, all right, byebye, all right,
thank you, break Ray raising the Q to talk about
the Trustrall Falls issue as well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Don't go aheack is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Let's go to line number three and take him more
to the president of the Nurse Practitioners Association of Newfoundland
and Laborador.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
That's Jessica Pettal. Good morning, Jessica, you're on the air.

Speaker 7 (01:09:43):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
How are you great today?

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 17 (01:09:47):
I am great. Thanks for ranking.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
We've been or I've been talking about this on the
show for quite a long time, so yesterday's announcement is
most welcome. Before we get into the workings of it,
can you help us understand as to why it's a
pot the program. Is it just to try to work
out any potential gremlins in the building model or why
is it a pilot.

Speaker 17 (01:10:07):
I honestly, I think it is a pilot project, like
you said, to work out any kinks before fully, you know,
making it concrete.

Speaker 7 (01:10:16):
For sure.

Speaker 17 (01:10:17):
With anything new, I think there are going to be kinks,
There are going to be things that need to be
worked out, and this is going to be an ongoing assessment,
pilot project. The government are committed to continuously assessing this
with us and making sure that it is the most
successful for the people of the province.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
How are the various nurse practitioners going to be selected,
what's the association's role, and how are we going to
know who's involved in this pilot?

Speaker 17 (01:10:44):
So right now, as far as I know, there are
many independent nurse practitioner clinics already operating around this province
and doing it quite successfully. So it is going to be,
I feel like an application process. Anyone who wants to
become part of this project will probably apply or put
their name forward and you know, make sure that they

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have everything set up that will provide the most success
for them and their clinic in this project.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
And maybe you're not the right person to ask this
question of maybe as NL Health Services or the minister,
but I would imagine there'd be some sort of consideration
and crimes area associated with where were the province because
there's better services one part of the province or another.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
We all know that to be true. So do you
think geography is going to play a role here?

Speaker 17 (01:11:30):
I don't believe so far as I know. Again, you're right,
maybe that is a better question for someone else. However,
I do feel like any clinics and any part or
any corner of this province that wants to participate in
this that is an help theme running or re established clinic,
I can't see that being a problem. I do know
there are clinics here in the Saint John's Mental Region

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that it was definitely avail of this service for sure,
and then there are ones that are in rural that
will quite benefit people in those areas as well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I wonder again we'll just talk about nurse practitioners in
the role they play, which is critically important. I think
people potentially undervalue the training that nurse practitioners have and
the scope of practice.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
That they bring to the table.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
But when we look at things like established nurse practitioner
clinics where they've already hung out their own shingle and
they're charge of people cash and thankfully that's going by
the wayside, but there's also funding for startups. So I
think the worry for the long term has been that
if the province went down this path, that more and
more nurse practitioners may indeed.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Move off to a private offering.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Why because they have more control of their own schedule,
you know, they can take on a patient roster that
suits them. So in the world of startup, what's going
to be provided inside this funding.

Speaker 17 (01:12:45):
So one thing that is provided in the funding is
the charting system for the em or charting system that historically,
if you start up your own clinics, that would have
to have to come into the nurse practitioner's pocket, so
that will definitely be covered. You're also one big thing
you're getting here is you're getting an affiliation agreement with
the family care team, so you're able to refer into

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all those collaboratives of in the distomary team members, so
like your occupational therapist, or is your therapist or diabetic
nurse educator, your pharmacists, your mental health nurse, like that
is huge advantage with this cloud project.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Yeah, and one thing you and I are familiar with
some of the acronyms, but EMR for folks listening is
the electronic medical records, which was a big deal and
was a real hurld that many people could not clear
without the time and expense associated with it.

Speaker 17 (01:13:33):
And honestly, the electronic medical record is the one that
is being offered really can benefit patients as you can
get through more patients throughout the day as opposed to
the historic, archaic ones that we're having to be used
in these clinics.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Previously, this would be a very fundamental question for you
and I make these types of references, albeit not as
a healthcare professional.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
It's so many people, you know, like what we talk
about the wildfires, water bombers, that's the go too. Well,
we know there's many other tools that put in the toolbox.
And when people want to access to primary care, they're
thinking doctor. So I think there's a bit of a
base misunderstanding exactly what a nurse practitioner can do. So
can you dispel some of the myths about some restrictions
that nurse practitioners might face because the scope of practice

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is pretty broad.

Speaker 17 (01:14:23):
Well here in usual and we are quite fortunate to
have our nurse practioners have the broadest grow in the
provinces they are restricted elsewhere. We are not restricted here.
We have no restrictions on what we can order, we
have no restrictions on what we can prescribe, or.

Speaker 7 (01:14:38):
Diagnose or refer to.

Speaker 17 (01:14:40):
We truly are primary healthcare providers and it's time that
we be recognized for that. We take on a full
roster of patients we care for them. There really is
no limitations.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
To our practice.

Speaker 17 (01:14:53):
Like whatever you're comfortable with doing in your own practice
and your own limitations, and if you're not comfortable, then
you work out at that time. But I think you know,
even the Registered Nurses Union right now they have a
clarity project ongoing that says there's an MP for that,
and there truly is. We really do in this province

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need to look at this as a as a good thing.
We need to all work together together to benefit the
people of those provinces. Is just providing more access and
more care to the people and the residents of News
Random Labrador And that's where we really need to focus here.
We need to work together and become one and just
benefit the people of those province.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
If I'm an individual nurse practitioner and I get accepted
in this part of project, and I have my standalone
clinic and maybe I have one or two NP colleagues,
how does it work in the word collaboration, Because if
I go to a collaborative care clinic that might have
a family doctor or a nurse practitioner, licensed practical nurse,
social worker, pharmacist, then the collaboration is in house, how

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would it work in the stand alone clinic because you
know there's other healthcare providers would be social workers as
I mentioned, so that collaboration for what they call coordinated care.
How does that work?

Speaker 7 (01:16:08):
So it would work?

Speaker 17 (01:16:09):
No different is if you work inside the family care team.
So you see a patient, you identify the services that
they need, whether that be patched to a social worker,
you need to see the diabetic nurse educator, then you
do a referral and it goes directly to a nurse
that screen that. So then it sets that appointment up
with that team member. So if you're in a standalone

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independent clinic, then you're referred to the nurse that works
in that project that will set you up with the
appropriate services.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Okay, fair enough, this one is a hypothetical.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
But we'll see if we can help identify some pilot
program kinks that are possible. So does anything come to
mind that we have to have a better understanding of
because this is in place and other provinces, they've probably
done a lot of the kink working out work for
us already. So what should we be worried about for
potential pitfalls or issues that I have to be dealt with.

Speaker 13 (01:17:00):
I don't know that.

Speaker 17 (01:17:01):
Any truly come to mind. And so as you know,
this has been worked on for many, many years.

Speaker 7 (01:17:06):
From many presidents before me.

Speaker 17 (01:17:08):
I was just the one that was in the hot
seat when this came to fruition. We have collaborated with
other president presidents of other productiants who have put this
in place and have failed, so we've kind of learned
from their mistakes. So we're kind of at a benefit there.
I really don't can't think of anything, but maybe beyond
boarding of so many patients at one time, there may

(01:17:30):
be a little bit backlog of trying to get an appointment.
I'm not sure, but a lot of these patients are
already being seen at these clinics to day. Anyway, we
are very committed to, you know, very closely monitoring this,
working at the King's firsthand, and it happened.

Speaker 7 (01:17:49):
So I feel positive.

Speaker 17 (01:17:51):
About this, and like I said, government is very committed
to making sure this succeeds with us.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
It's a win for the nurse practitioners, and I would
suggested to win for government because whether or not people
think the politicians care about the individual, if we can
increase access to primary care, regardless of it's the Liberals
of Toys, the NDP, independent members of the House of Assembly.
It's best for us, us as voters, as us for
people who may indeed need to interact with the healthcare system.

Speaker 17 (01:18:19):
I think, honestly, at the end of the day, we
can take the politics out of it and again bring
it back to the people of this province. There's still
so many with our a primary healthcare provider, we're providing
more access and you know, there is definitely enough work
to go around for everybody. So let's just bring it
back to the positive here. Takes the politics out of it,
take anything else that is involved out of it, and

(01:18:39):
just really look at this as a win for the
people at New Plant Elabador.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Jessica, I appreciate the time. As we work through the pilot,
we'll have another conversation see how things are going.

Speaker 17 (01:18:48):
Absolutely look forward to it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Patty, thank you so much, my pleasure. Take good care.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
There he goes Jessica Pedal, Presidents of the Nurse Practitioners Association.
Let's see here. Way you stay right there to talk
touch with falls, don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Is open line on the VOCM Bigland FM radio network.
Welcome back to the program. Let's go to line number two. Ray,
you're on the air and.

Speaker 8 (01:19:09):
The president Morning Patty, Same to you, sir. I'm kind
of wondering what was the idea our building the Churchill
Falls leaders project. Here we've got a deal signed into
fifty years for the rate, but in the meantime, like,
how much off this hydro is actually being used for

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the goodness afternoon from Latin Labrador? How much is being elsewhere?
Can we sell our product on the other side of
Quebec and get paid for it and have some of
that money put on this fifteen billion dollar debt? When

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people Lake Quebec come in on this deal, are they
getting a greater shared the Lion's share after this product?
And should they not be paying equally for what a
cost for us or even more for what it cost

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us to get the please built.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Okay, there was a lot of questions there. Yes, what
was the first one you asked about the line's share
of the power?

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:20:21):
Yes? Who gets bline here? Where's it going to?

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Okay? So are we talking about the lower Churchill at
gull Island specifically, or well.

Speaker 8 (01:20:29):
We're talking about the latest Churchill Falls. You've Government North Churchill.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Okay, okay, let's start at the upper So there's a
three hundred megawatt Labrador recall block of power that inside
this MoU will be quadrupled to twelve hundred and that's
good for Labrador. Other than the power that's currently being
generated at the upper Churchill. The breakdown does not change
inside the expansion. It does change at gull Island. That's

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about twenty five megawatts. We only have access to about
two hundred and twenty five or two hundred and fifty megawatts.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Hydro Quebec gets the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
The reason, I suppose because they're building it and taking
all the risks there, so the line share power is
absolutely too hydro Quebec. The Churchill River will have somewhere
in the neighborhood of an addition, almost four thousand megawatts,
of which hydro Quebec gets most of it. That's absolutely true.

Speaker 8 (01:21:20):
Now, in the meantime, this thergy of where we're going
and passing over hydro to Kobek to sell to the
States and elsewhere or wherever they onund shouldn't they be
responsible for paying eight or ten billion a debt forgetting
the use of the hydro when we get so very little.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Bit today's hydro Quebec, based on the nineteen sixty nine contract,
has benefited will an access of two billion dollars, which
just dwarfs what this province has brought in at this
moment of time, paying zero point two cents per kilo
a lot hour on the pathway to five point nine
cents per kilo at hour. The concept of price elasticity
and demand into the future is an excellent question. There

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is a so called escalator clause here, but that's only
that's only about predictable timeframes as the most predictable prices.
So yes, hydro Qubec can sell this power wherever they want.
I guess there's a regulatory issue was selling to the States,
but they already have much of that already cleared. So
the base answer, yes, they can sell it into Go back.

Speaker 8 (01:22:24):
To one of my questions. Okay, how come the ratepayers
in Newfoundland are stripped with the majority of that bill
when Quebec should be stripped with.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
The majority of that billa, the majority million of which
bill muskrat falls.

Speaker 8 (01:22:42):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Okay, well, let's just see me and you are the
negotiating partners here. You come to the table with an
average price of electricity in your province or community at
around eight cents. There's floating numbers in Quebec, but on
average it's about eight cents, and this province is about
fourteen point twenty five cents. That's what you brought to
the table when we sat down, and this is what

(01:23:03):
I brought to the table when we sat down. So
the bill at Muskrat, that's completely self inflicted. We did
that project, we built it. We're the customer. So I
brought my own baggage to the table. You brought your
own baggage. Mine happened to be heavier and more expensive
than yours. So would you anticipate would you, as the
eighth cent guy, say okay, let me pay off some

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of the Muskrat bill.

Speaker 8 (01:23:28):
What I'd like to see is their way that those
people rate payers, get information and just how it works.
Can't there be something put out every year stating who
paid what, how high the bill still remains, and if

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there's a chance that we can get out of this,
what new plant is tied into for fifty years, not.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
That I know of, but as it pertains to Muskrat,
and these are the first questions that we asked when
we first heard this announcement, is if we're talking about
on average seven billion dollars a year for seventeen years,
and it doesn't start out at a billion dollars in
a year one, that's not the case at all. It
ends up after seventeen years on average. And so the
question would be exactly how to we use that money,

(01:24:18):
because if it just flows into government cofference to be
spent as they see fit, that's not great. So if
it would be used, say three different areas that I
asked about was deficit debt, and most importantly, trying to
control the rates because.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Of Mustcraft falls.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
And so the answers were pretty much, yes, the priority
I think needs to be on rates. It just does
because kind of out of control. We saw another seven
percent bump this summer already, which we don't really notice
until the winter kicks in. There's even with the billions
of the hollos from hydro, which only lasts for six years,
so in twenty thirty we won't have predictable increases. We'll

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have potentially huge increases, which this money has to be
used for, no question, but it's not built into the contract.
It would have to be built into how government operates.

Speaker 8 (01:25:04):
Yes, where is all this money going to be hid?
Who is going to know where it went to? And
where's the accountability? That is major concerns. Say so, we
got to wait and see. And we just had a
seven percent increase that ago, like you said, and then

(01:25:27):
of course we have the taxes on top of that.
Now coming on the fall, we're going to get kicked again.
But another increase, I would imagine, and once again it'll
be not just having really taxes on it. And there
were some other things that I meant to say there,

(01:25:48):
but I've kind of lost my trains.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Thought, well, you can take the time and try to
recollect it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
Happy.

Speaker 8 (01:25:55):
Yeah, but there's so much going on that is very
easy to lose your train of talk because I feel
that we don't have to know what the politicians are doing.
It's the politician's business, not the business of the people.
And when is it going to come to a time

(01:26:17):
when they have elections and the people that lost the
elections will sit down at the table and instead of
follow this fighting back and forth and you're better than
I and I'm better than you, and you did this
and I did it growing up. Sure, people sitting together
for the goodness of the country, making decisions and both

(01:26:38):
agreeing on them for the good of the people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Yeah, and how we handle this because use your own words,
losing train of thought, and there's so much time to go.
I mean, you're singing my here, speaking my language here
because I lose my train of thought half dozen times
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
I can admit that freely. And with this being as
complicated as it is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
And look, we've had Jennifer william and we've had people
who are in opposition to it, and we've got this
new letter and all that stuff. If this is going
to be the Upper Churchill election, then two things need
to happen. Number One, what twenty forty one means needs
to be fully understood. We need the group that was
struck by the government to examine twenty forty one and

(01:27:20):
the implications of that date to tell us exactly what
it means to exclude the MoU but what twenty forty
one means, then incorporate and have a very public to
and fro addressing all the concerns brought forward, whether be
by David Verdi or Gabe Gregory or Danny Williams or
whoever because unless we get these very thorough fulsome conversations,

(01:27:44):
we're probably still going to be guessing, and we're going
to be saying Quebec bad, consequently doll like it, Liberals bad,
doll like it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
That's not good enough.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
So I'm actually going to consider trying to select a
couple of people so called on either side of this
issue and devote the bulcome show to it. It's too
important to not get this conversation out there and real
publicly and done publicly, not in little private meetings and
not behind closed doors and not in letters. We need
to really have all these questions answered. I still have questions,

(01:28:13):
and I'm pretty confused, and I've spent a lot of
time trying to figure this out.

Speaker 8 (01:28:18):
For sure, and looking at you talk to Hydro. Now,
I made a call. I heard rumors going around about
different things, so I made a call and I asked
them about getting on the budget for this year, and
they asked me my driver's license number. Now why would

(01:28:41):
they ask me my driver's license number? And then they
only used the last three letters of numbers off your
driver's license? Does that mean when people are so strapped,
you take senior citizens trying to pay her and trying
to pay hydro bills and trying to get her and
now they may even lose the driver's license until they

(01:29:04):
get their hydro bill paid.

Speaker 7 (01:29:07):
Is that a thing like?

Speaker 8 (01:29:09):
I don't know, why would you want the driver's lations?

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Maybe it's in an effort to reconcile that they know
exactly who they're dealing with. But that's the first I've
heard of it. Nor have I ever heard of anyone
happened their driver's license compromise because of their hydro bill.
I really honestly haven't heard that before.

Speaker 8 (01:29:24):
Right it was only when John ever got in I
heard of people losing their license or not getting moose
license because of the Highway X. They do all kinds
of strange things. And what business do the hydro people

(01:29:46):
have in knowing my driver's license something to begin with?

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
None, as far as I can think of off the
top of my head. I'll chase that one around a
little bit to see if I can figure it out,
because right now that I don't even know what the
implication would be, to be honest, But I'll see what
welcome figure out.

Speaker 8 (01:30:01):
And I heard a call back the previously to mine
and somebody was saying about wrestlers and I won the
trow indictable dog bower whip. You were watching the Russian
guy kalmakof brothers and let's not forget those little guys
that we used to come midgets.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Oh, Sky Lolo, may you have a nice day, you
two sir, all the us right bye bye sky lolow
is one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
I know that for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
Update on the call we had earlier this week from George.
George reported that he woke up the found that someone
had tried to set his deck on fire, the deck
attached to his house. He was anticipating fire inspection to
come by, and the iron C, the r and C
Forensic and Investigative Resources got on it. The neighbors provided

(01:30:48):
some video cam footage what have you. And there has
been an arrest. So whoever tried to set that deck
on fire has been arrested. Let's take a break for
the news.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Don't go away, open line now the VOCM Bigland FM
Radio network.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Welcome back to the program. Let's go to line number three.
Good morning, Edie, you're on the air.

Speaker 18 (01:31:09):
Good morning, how are you. Before I even began, let
me put the gentleman's mind at ease that you previously
spoke to as a retired utility worker, I can guarantee
him his driver's license would have only been on file
because at some point he would have given it to
them as a mechanism for identifying him over the phone.
I myself had asked that same question whatever the identifier

(01:31:33):
was of customers for years, and it's just the means
of making sure that they don't speak or share his
information with anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Yeah, like I said to I assume it's a opportunity
to reconcile who you're speaking with as opposed to you
were correct. Yeah, yeah, because I mean there's other piece
of information that I don't want to share and Hydro
does not need, like, for instance, well my social insurance number,
my MCV number.

Speaker 18 (01:32:00):
That they use, whatever is the customer wants to give,
and that would be up to the customer, and they
don't share it with anybody. That's one thing that New
filin Power or Hydro both companies, they don't share customer
information with anybody. I can attest to that. Trust me,

(01:32:22):
you know, we were monitored. Everything was done as its perfection.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
When it comes to your privacy, I appreciate the information,
informed information, thank you, but that's.

Speaker 13 (01:32:32):
Not what I called for.

Speaker 18 (01:32:32):
What I called for was actually the conversation I heard
about nurse practitioners and family healthcare teams. I'm going to
try to do this without being emotional, because it's a
very emotional subject for me. Is that I want to
pass the biggest bouquet of kudos that I could ever
give to any one thing that government or healthcare agencies

(01:32:57):
did over the last five years, because the creation of
these teams provides people with something that we've never had before. Personally,
I have a family member who is severely sick during
COVID and when I say multiple major health issues, and

(01:33:19):
we lost our family doctor after three really everything from
cancer care, you name it, we were something happened and
then it was a spinal surgery. We left Saint John's
to have to come back to the West Coast and
he needed to have stitches removed and follow up here.

(01:33:40):
We had no doctor. We didn't know where to turn,
and the doctor in the specialists in Saint John's said, look,
you he doesn't need a family doctor, he needs care,
but he needs to have this stuff done and then
we'll instead of us flying back and forth. Saint John's
they were going to because of COVID they were trying

(01:34:02):
to lessen that right. So what happened was I called
a Western Health They could couldn't find a doctor, so
they called us and they said that they were going
to give us this nurse practitioner. So she called and
we had a conversation with her, and then we went
off to the clinic and she took us on as patients,

(01:34:23):
as share whole family she sees now and we didn't
just see her. We became a member of this family
healthcare team. He has since then had different issues that
at one point he had surgery, he needed stitches, so

(01:34:43):
instead of a doctor taking up stitches, now there's an
ire in there or an LPN. There's people there qualified
to do everything. He's had skin cancer. They burned they
did that there. We preached for five years. I believe
he's been at the hospital once in five years. He

(01:35:06):
has his appointments which specialists medically. All his medical care
and whatever is required is done by that family care team.
It's amazing. So for anybody in this province that's looking
for healthcare and they're given the opportunity to be adopted

(01:35:28):
by one of these teams, they should consider themself lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
You know, when you think about it conceptually speaking, like
I'll call it a one stop shop. So inside my
family care team, which I'm lucky enough to be connected
with one, there's a bride in different healthcare professionals, and
the collaboration and coordinated care seems to be working for me.
You know, there's a couple of things to it. Number
one concept just makes all the sense in the world,

(01:35:53):
and hopefully there's going to be thirty five of these
collaborative care clinics right around the province at some time
in the future. The trick will be is adding enough
healthcare professionals to these teams as opposed to simply moving
healthcare professionals around. And I know that's easier said than done,
but the family care team just makes sense. It really
truly does. If you look right around the country, it's

(01:36:14):
the go to mechanism to improve access to primary care.

Speaker 18 (01:36:17):
Everyone feel a little tiny bit. I agree with what
you're saying, but I feel a tiny little bit different
than what you do, because I do believe from a
government perspective, and I believe it comes from the fact
that we've been in every hospital like us, there's been like,
for instance, orthopedics, there's special there was a specialists in
Grandpa's like we've been a lot of them. Over the

(01:36:39):
last five years. We've witnessed a lot. We're still going
back and forth to the Health Science Science Center. We
just recently. I just recently got back from in there.
But one of the things I believe that could happen
and I believe should happen, is the whole mechanism of
healthcare needs to be looked at differently.

Speaker 10 (01:36:58):
Some of the.

Speaker 18 (01:37:01):
Some of the peat professionals we have in hospitals could
possibly be integrated into some of these clinics because there's
so much more efficient. There's like there's no weight period there.
It's not like going and sitting down for ten hours
and having to wait to see somebody, because everybody does
their own thing. And like these nurse practitioners, the one

(01:37:24):
we have and like when she's gone, she goes up,
she sometimes goes to labrador and does a little stint
or whatever. If she's off, there's another one takes. They're
all wonderful, they're all the same, but like the efficiency,
they hindoo things that Normally you would think you would
have to go to the hospital to have done, but
you don't, like everything gets done there, like when you know,

(01:37:47):
like some like for instance, if you have skin cancer,
they can burn off and remove spots and then you
see a specialist because you're under the care of a
specialist anyway, right, Yeah, you know a lot all of
these diseases, you're under the care of specialists, so you
only intermittently have to and like, for instance, we adopted
the premise of being able to because we're from out

(01:38:10):
of the area. Like for us, instead of going back
and forth Saint John's, if we can do it by
a telephone or a video conference appointment, we prefer that
because it's just less passle is less wear and tear
on us, and less expense for us.

Speaker 19 (01:38:27):
Right, absolutely, So we've adapted into all these and we
asked that question and then you know, yeah, once in
a while you've got to have hands on, but you
know sometimes you can do it that way, right, So
the whole premise of healthcare, I believe you's got to
open up and.

Speaker 18 (01:38:44):
Got to change towards this type of family care team.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
We are in the same church, maybe almost in the
same Pew. The only thing I guess my thoughts regarding
the hospital stat is that if we're talking clinics, then
fair enough those pros conductin only be in the collaborative
care setting. If we're talking about emergency rooms, well that's
its own standalone sort of operation. And then for people
on the floor, then of course we're always going to

(01:39:09):
have the issue of patients in beds in the hospital.
So I think we're kind of talking about the exact
same thing I was thinking about a hospital and everything
that goes on in it, which includes clinicians that could
be working elsewhere, emergency rooms that's always going to be
a thing on the floor, that's always going to be
its own thing as well. But I'm glad it's working
for you, and knock on water, it seems to be
working for me so far too.

Speaker 18 (01:39:29):
I think it could work for anybody, and I believe
we need to expand on that. That's where the money
needs to start, and we need to compliment these clinics,
which because I believe there's a new clinic in my
area being built, apparently it's going to be expanded a bit,
and I believe that's where the futurists I really truly do,

(01:39:49):
because like I say to us, that nurse practitioner, we see,
she's better than anything we've ever had, and she's been
a gift. That's all we can say. We tell her
all the time, You've been a gift to us. I
just know what a way of explaining it. Everybody in
that clinic, we're so appreciative, Like it's just I can't

(01:40:10):
explain because there's been so many different issues and to
have them dealt with so efficiently, and to have them
done with such tenderness and so much care and professionalism,
and you know you're getting the best of the best service.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
I'm really pleased here that's your experience, and I think
you're absolutely right. It's going to be a key lynchpin
and the healthcare delivery system right across the country and
certainly here in this problem said eighty great to have
you on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
Appreciate your time.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
Thank you, dere You're welcome.

Speaker 18 (01:40:41):
You have a good day.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Thank you, y go.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
When we come back, we're talking about what's on the
go here Labor day and then whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
You want to talk about. Don't go awheah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
This is open Line on the VOCM Bigland FM Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Welcome back to the program. Let's go to line number one.
Craig Flynn, you're on the air.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
Good day, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
How are you today?

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
That's kind how about you?

Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
Good bye, goodbye, Patti. I'm coming on today now to
talk about a big fundraiser that we're doing out at
the old Courthouse out in the Harbor Grace. Of course,
we've all seen the devastation that the fires have caused
in our neck of Awards up there in CBN, and
of course we've had staff, our own staff effected by

(01:41:22):
some of them evacuated, some of them had family members
who lost houses. And we decided that we wanted to
try to do a little something to give back, and
so we normally have a Labor Day sort of a
big event out in the courthouse. Anyways, this year we
decided to turn it into a fundraiser united by music

(01:41:42):
and hope. It's called It's a Songs and Support and
outdoor music Festival. So we're actually kicking it off tonight
with our trivia and Ie supported by it with Stevid Diamond.
Come in and sit down for trivia, make a donation front.
Friday night, we've got our karaoke ondergo in an open

(01:42:02):
mic night again, coming by make a donation, sake a
few songs. Saturday we're going for We've got a corner
during the day, We've got a corn hole and barbecue
bash family event on that day. Saturday night, we're doing
a full on dance with Denda Power, Paula brush It,
Evan Weeks, Tyler Humby, Ugly Andy and those Beautiful Ugly Sticks,

(01:42:26):
a band very familiar to anyone who goes to a
Roley's Great Band. They're coming out donating their time for
Saturday night for dance. But Sunday is the big day.
As you know, Brenda always throws a great bash for
Patty's Day. Well, this is kind of like Patty's Day
in September. We've got kicking off at eleven thirty on Sunday,

(01:42:50):
going right to nine o'clock tonight. We've got a slew
of entertainers, Damian Folly, Craig Ryan Trahan, Cayley McDonald family,
Bill Kelly, Tom Conway, Green Down Forward, Robbie Merton, Johnny Dale,
Stephen calls Rugged Shores, Cornerboys and kicking it. Finally and
close it up is the Islanders and they're from out
in that area as well, and all these musicians have

(01:43:12):
donated their time, uh for this worthy cause. When Brenda
reached out, we had more musicians put their names for
them we actually had space for. So it's you know,
the musical community always steps up here in Newfland and uh,
I think, you know a bit of a for a
bit of a reprieve from the from all the bad news.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
Out there happening.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
I think, uh, this event is going to be a
great event. Uh And we've got some advanced tickets available
at Historiccarbergrades dot com. But it's going to be a
fun event. And uh, you know it's all these nations.
Of course, we're going towards the Red Cross. We're donation
portions of our sales as well.

Speaker 11 (01:43:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:43:55):
So we're hoping to raise some money and the course,
with the province and the Feds stepping up triple the money,
so that's always good.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Absolutely, So the fundraising moneys will go just straight to
the Canadian Red Cross or what's the plant or maybe
Avery said it, it's going.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
Right right, yeah, right to the Red Cross, the theil
Wildfire's Appeal, so it goes directly to that, and then
of course, like you know, it was announced that that's
going to get topped up by the Province and the FEDS,
and that's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
This is a very specific question. But when the FEDS
announced it, it was retroactive to the beginning of the
fundraising campaign. So do you actually know the dates that
are going to be covered by the match, by the
province and the Feds. I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
I'm not sure how far back is going. I know
that they're saying mid September is for the for the
close of it, but you know, I don't think specific
date has been given. But like I said, they've been
just saying up to mid September, So whatever whatever that
date is, I'm not sure. But you know it's with
all these events so that we've got on to go,

(01:44:59):
there's certainly up for someone to come by and let's
send throw a few dollars down and you know, help
them very worthy cause and get listened to some great music.
And of course the restaurant will be open the whole
time there, so you know it's we're expected a really
good weekend out there. Of course, is it the location
itself inside we're doing it inside the jail courtyard and

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the courtyard of the jail and inside the jail house itself,
we're doing some of the shows, So it makes for
a very unique venue.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Craig, help us understand how the summer tourism season has gone,
especially the impact that you may or may not.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
Have lt because of the kind of summer games.

Speaker 4 (01:45:39):
Well, it was a great We had a I must
say in Saint John's it was a fantastic summer. I
think it's probably you know, we have to go back to,
you know, pre COVID twenty eighteen twenty, you know, to
go back to have just as great as summer. It
was a great, a great recovery summer for us coming
out of COVID and then hyper inflation which really devastated

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our industry. Both of those things were a one two punch,
and you know, talking to by uh by fellow restauranteurs
and stuff like that, I think everyone everyone seemed to
be up, you know, sales were up and uh you know,
even it started really early. In fact, we had a
great June and a great July, and you know it's

(01:46:22):
it's I think that hopefully we're taking the turn on
the uh on the economy. I don't know, what you know,
if what's what's happening. But I think a lot of
it does have to do with Canadians deciding to do
their staycations in Canada. The Newfland has always been on
a bucket list item, and I think a lot of
them have decided to, uh, you know, rather spend that

(01:46:42):
money down state side, have come decided to come out east.
And I know we've welcomed a lot of people from
out west this year and they're all really and a
lot of them do say like we were on the
bucket list. So uh of partially Carsonal and Carsonal fires,
we had a little bit of a negative impact out
our way in the harbor Grace. No one wants to

(01:47:03):
drive towards the forest fire, let's say. But but other
than that, it's been it's been an overall a great summer.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
Yeah, glad to hear it, and a very quick one.
A bit of a general question.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
I hate to paint a negative picture of a place
where so many of my friend's own businesses and work,
but the face of downtown has changed. I mean, let's
be realistic. Do you think we're on a path to
turn that back a little bit? Because I know, there's
been a bunch of groups formed and different approach taken
by maybe the r n C and the city itself
and the downtown business owners because.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
It has changed and not for the better.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Where are you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
Uh you know, I'll agree with you one hundred percent there.

Speaker 5 (01:47:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
It's good to see that there's you know, there's there
is an effort to try.

Speaker 7 (01:47:43):
To change it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
And I don't think it's just limited to uh, to
the downtown. I think the face of our city has changed.
I own uh office buildings and stuff like that and
other parts of town, and we're just as uh you know,
I find uh needles on the front doorsteps and things
like that just as many as I uh in my
downtown area as I do up in the in my
building up in the center of town. And it's uh,

(01:48:06):
you know. I think that us as a society, I
think the government needs to get a bigger handle on it.
I think that we need to you know, there needs
to be more intervention, uh the ability for people to
be able to get out there and get the help
that they need to uh uh you know, to get
off these harder drugs that you seem to be addicted to.

(01:48:27):
I don't think anyone ever wants to waits up in
the morning and wants to be uh gee, I want
to be addicted to drugs today. I think that uh
you know, uh, it's a lack of help. That's uh,
that's that they need to receive. And uh, you know,
we're hope hopefully, uh you know, governments are moving towards it,
but it seems to be very very slowly moving towards us.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
Yeah, and you know, you make a key point.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
Your grandfather's cocaine is not the drugs on the street
of today, which is further complicated and already extremely complex
issue regarding mental health and addictions, homelessness, and crime. It's
just a different world out there. A lot of that
is fueled by the much different, more dangerous and highly
addictive drugs exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
And we see it out around, you know, out of
the out around the Bay, the Harbor Grace area. It's
not just that area. It's all over It's not just
you know, it used to be that was a tality
thing sort of thing, was the perspective of it. But
it's it's not. It's a you know, it's a real,
uh scourge that's effective all parts of duffum Land and Labrador.

Speaker 7 (01:49:27):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:49:28):
And you know at every not just uh, it's every
economical uh part of it. It's not just poor people.
There's you know, other people that are made wealthy, people
that are struggling with it. Just as much aster are
people who are struggling just to get by day to day.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
I have a buddy, well educated, well to do, big job,
nice family, all gone, all gone, Yes, heartbreaking, Craig, have
a great weekend out in Harberd Grace.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
I appreciate your time.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
Absolutely, Thank you very much, Patty, all.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
The best to see out there. Thanks buddy, all right,
take care, bye bye. Let's see here. Let's take a
break for the newscast. When we come back, still tons
of time left for you. Oh wait now, Cecil out
of Spaniards Bay, he's got a Chesterfield that he's willing
to give to one of the people displaced or impacted
by the wildfire's conception of Bay North. If you like
a free Chesterfield, Cecil's got one for you. Give him

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Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
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Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
He's open line now. The VOCM Bigland FM Radio Network.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
This hold line three and take morning to one of
the candidates running in War two here in the city
of Saint John's.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
That's Greg Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
Than ing, Greg, you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
Not too bad. Is that a bad phone line? Yeah?
I think so great that it is. I'm going to
put you on hold.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
Yeah, not really. I think we got one of those
squeaky lines. So we'll get Beth to organize. Greg got
a different line, so basically we just call him back.
I suppose it is the best thing we can do.

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
You know, there's a lot to.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
Consider regarding the wildfires. Obviously, I've been I've been asked many,
many times about the merit and government coming to the
financial aid of those who lost their home that was
not insured. Now a couple of structures have been lost
that people just simply could not get insured. Number one,

(01:51:22):
number two. It kind of feels like a bit of
a precarious time that people are experiencing to start talking
about things like that. I'll say that number one, number two,
like everything that government spends money on, really have to
consider the option of not supporting because some of the
biggest costs we will absorb is if people find themselves

(01:51:42):
displaced from community consequently away from where they work, consequently
without a roof over their head. Then what right, that's
a big question. Yeah, I'll get great down on a second. Also,
in addition to things regarding the Upper Church of gull
Island and all the rest of it, you know, and
I've made I've had people make reference to what's happening
in the province of Quebec, which absolutely has to be considered,

(01:52:03):
and it's the concept of artificial intelligence data centers. Quebec
is going all in. We have a little bit of
a different set of circumstances though, don't we.

Speaker 5 (01:52:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
So you look at the benefit of an AI data
center being brought to say Laborador, for instance, upfront construction
in some of those jobs, but when you compare to
things like big industrial or commercial mining opportunities pales in comparison.
The data centers draw copious amounts of power, they really
truly do. And then if you look at some of
the folks out there, like the Mark Zuckerberg's of the world,

(01:52:36):
the Jeff Bezos of the world, they're going all in
on artificial intelligence as well, which will make them filthy rich.
The benefit to me and you highly questionable. Especially when
you look at say the advent of social media net positives.
At the beginning, we're there for all to see. It
was a great tool. It's turned into less than that.

(01:52:56):
So AI, Yeah, it could indeed be opportunities with the
power generated on the Churchill River, But is there a
consequential bank for our power buck to bring a data
center verse to explore what we know the wealth of
critical minerals and rare earth minerals that are right there
in Labrador and on the island that needs serious amounts

(01:53:18):
of power as well. So put that out there, just
see what you think. Let's say we reconnect with Greg
on too. Greg Smith, you're back on the air.

Speaker 7 (01:53:25):
Can you hear me? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
Now I can hear you?

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Okay, now, okay, that's good.

Speaker 7 (01:53:30):
I was just out putting some signs up so maybe
it was too loud in the car. I just wanted
to call today and just talk about what a success
the Canada Games was for both the province and the city.
I want to congratulate the athletes obviously Tea, Newfoundland and
Labrador in particular, but all the athletes across the country
on you know, representing the province or territory and coming

(01:53:52):
here to all the volunteers of thousands of them, the
mission staff, the coaches, all this horse, the parents, fans.
It was such a raging success. And I work at
the airports, as some might know, so I saw a
lot of them coming out and leaving Saint John's and

(01:54:12):
just absolutely love the city, Love the atmosphere, love the fans,
love the venues. I think it goes to show that
this city, in this province knows how to host so
many sporting events. And I know myself personally as a
curler what it's like to be the home team here,
whether it was years ago Juniors in Cornerbrook or Slam

(01:54:33):
in Paradise, or even as a spectator not playing but
watching the Slam at Mael One. So it's just an
amazing you know, the vibe in the city. Obviously, the
economic impact is wonderful, but I think that in turn,
because we do such a great job at hosting, you
never know some of these students might come here for
university and years to come, they might move here, and

(01:54:54):
I think that, you know, people do really enjoy getting
to come out here and check off a list.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
Son of a yeah, and you know this might not
be meaningful to some, but I think the big scheme
of things it is is that not only the economic
shot in the arm that the games brings, which is undeniable,
it's you know, now that we have more upgraded, nationally
and internationally accredited facilities. That's a concept of sports tourism.
So even if you don't like sports and you don't
care one way or about these competitions, the fact of

(01:55:21):
the matter is if we can bring people to the
province because now we have the accredited facility, that presents opportunity,
and so opportunity is a good thing and we need
to take advantage of it in full because just think
about some of the facilities, they don't necessarily have to
job with the peak tourism season, Like an upgraded Aquarina
could see winter meets with hundreds of people that are

(01:55:43):
brought to town for one national competition or another. So
I think there's a bit more to it than simply
two weeks of competition.

Speaker 7 (01:55:49):
No, one hundred percent. I think that the impact on
this game is going to go well beyond, and sports
tourism is a huge thing. I mean, look at you know,
the Brier's coming up here. God willing, you know, hopefully
get to represent Newfound Labator. So you know there's a
lot of competition, but stuff like that, I mean, and
you look at other sporting events, nationals that we host

(01:56:10):
for softball, every other sport. Bowling is one. Obviously do myself,
but the impact is great and people do fall in
love with the place, and it's really the fancy or
second to none.

Speaker 5 (01:56:22):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:56:22):
You get that kind of excitement, you get that kind
of atmosphere, and you know, hats off to everybody involved,
I think for the city and the province and everybody
involved in the Canada Games in the spectacular job and
hearing from people and coaches you know, serve them at
the airport and saying this was one for the you know,
for the memories. I mean, they've been to a lot
of Canada Games, and I don't know if they say

(01:56:44):
that about every place. I'm sure they might, but this
place certainly is special to a loss, so I want
to mention that. And then finally too, it's exciting for
our city to have hockey back at MA one. So
I know that it's a lot of talk happened about
the new falland regiment not my one. Sorry, Mary Brown Center.
But it's so exciting that that is back, and I

(01:57:04):
look forward to going to a game with my dad,
and I know a lot of people are looking forward
to catching the action of that, so it's nice to
see so and that'll also be an economic boost through
downtown too.

Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
And look, I love a game of hockey myself and
welcome the regiment to town. And for my money, I
prefer the Quebec Major Junior League to either of these
Coast League or the American Hockey League for a bunch
of different reasons. The King going, I was going to say,
balls with the wall going absolutely all out to try
to make them to the next stage. Then there's plenty
of what I'll call mistakes or lapses, which leads to

(01:57:36):
some exciting stuff three on two, two on ones. So
I really enjoyed the Junior maybe because I saw every
single Fog Devil's game because I was covering it for
a Rogers TV.

Speaker 7 (01:57:44):
But yeah, the regiment, yeah, I know it's it's super exciting,
and I think you're right. It's these athletes have something
to prove in this stage of their career too, and
they want to move up the ranks and it's going
to be exciting to see the action there. It's going
to be exciting to see their Mary Brown Center with
you know, some more pro sports on the goals. So
it's just great. But yeah, that's what I wanted to

(01:58:06):
call in early today. I'll be calling obviously talking more
about some more in depth policies that I want to
mention a little later in the campaign and in the
later stages, But today I just wanted to basically kind of,
you know, share the joy of all the good stuff
that's happening with the Canada Games and obviously what's about
to happen at Mary Brown's Center with the new feline regiments.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
Good on you, Greg first, share your times forn and
thanks a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:58:29):
Take care.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
Thanks bybys Greg Smith. Running in War two.

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
Okay, just very quickly before we get to the break,
and we still have another segment of the program left
for you, and this is about water use advisors water
conservation orders out of place, like, for instance, in the
city Saint John's water conservation orders have been in implemented
year round since twenty twenty two. Not everybody knows that,
but this is the message coming from the town of
hughes Brook. They are requesting her assistants of broadcasting this

(01:58:56):
public service announcement regarding conservation water conservation. They say, our
dam level is currently two foot under lower pardon me,
two foot lower than full with no overflow ongoing drag conditions.
There is no there is limited inflow to protect our
communities drinking water supply, rasking residents to immediately reduce all
non essential water use. We kind of request that we

(01:59:18):
share this that I'm sharing right now so everyone understands
what non essential water uses and for the most part,
it's things like water in your lawn and or filling
up the backyard swimming pool or Washington car those types
of things. So if you're in hughes Brook, the town
has reached out to us to broadcast the fact that.

Speaker 3 (01:59:38):
They really need you to be mindful of it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
It's probably worthwhile looking at your own community's web page
whether it be there's these types of orders in place
in Paradise and in CBS and in tor Bay and
in Mount Pearl and in Saint John's and certainly that's
got to be the case in other parts of the
province as well, So probably worth checking me with your
minisipality because nobody wants to be a contributing factor or
to all of a sudden there's not enough water to

(02:00:03):
go around, and all of a sudden the reservoir goes
dry like it did in the Sunnyside, which is extraordinary.
I mean it went bone dry, no water, none, not
talking about conservation orders. You didn't have to conserve because
there was none there to use. Let's check it out
on the Twitter box where we always him open line
follow us there. And I made this suggestion earlier. And
you know, generally speaking, the show works best when there's

(02:00:25):
a bunch of different topics getting bounced around. Now some days,
of course, it's predictably going to be heavily focused on
one issue or another, and that's just nature of the beast.
And whatever you want to talk about, it's up to you, Right,
I made the thought or a suggestion that may be
Given the overall importance of this Upper Churchill Conversation, it's

(02:00:46):
probably worth our while to try to organize not an
adversarial for ratings tell our part of me radio program,
but information. So if we can get, for instance, proponents,
whether it be Kyle Smith, Jennifer Williams and or people
such as Gave Gregory, Dave variety, some of the signatories
to the open letter that was offered yesterday to come

(02:01:08):
in and see the questions or here the questions asked
to get the answers given a bit of to and fro,
not in an effort to you know, cause box to fly,
but so that people of the province can be as
informed as best informed as possible. There's just too much
on the line. What do you think about that? Offer
your feedback on the Twitter box and of course we're

(02:01:30):
VOSM open line or the email view asper me. We're
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Still time to get in on the action if you're
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Speaker 3 (02:01:48):
We're taking a break and then we're coming back.

Speaker 1 (02:01:51):
Is open line on the VOCM Bigland FM Radio network.

Speaker 2 (02:01:55):
Welcome back to the program. Well, uh, as usual, the
topics are up to you. And I've been asked why
no attention given to some of the big things happening
in Rugby these days? Okay, they didn't make specific mention
as to what they're talking about, but I assume it's like,
for instance, the Women's World.

Speaker 3 (02:02:10):
Cup is on it's in England, and so Canada got off.

Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
To a great start. Played against Fijians. They're generally pretty
tough competition, certainly on the men's side, and Canada handled them,
I mean, absolutely smoked them. Sixty five to seven I
think was the final score. That was in New York,
and one of the Canadian players, a lady named Julia Schell,
scored six tries for Canada, so obviously the woman of
the match on that front. So we beat Fiji this weekend.

(02:02:36):
In the second round, we've got Wales. Wales came up
short against Scotland last thirty eight to eight, so maybe
we've got a good shot at Wales as well. There's
actually plenty of rumbles around the Women's World Cup about
just how good Canada may indeed be. I mean, I
watched a bit of the Fiji game. Terrific performance. But
then you've got the notables right New Zealand and South

(02:02:57):
Africa and Australia and England, in France and Ireland. But
Canada seems in there with a bit of a shot anyway,
So someone asked me why I wasn't talking about I
guess then maybe talk about it. Plus, on the men's side,
we're involved the Pacific Nations Cup. Canada just announced the
roster today. They've got a game coming up against Japan

(02:03:17):
this weekend, so I'm pretty sure that's gonna be televised.
I know the Women's World Cup is, so yeah, plenty
of stuff happening on that particular front, just in the
form of a PSA ish And it was just last
week was the birthdate of Katain. Bob Barltt, you know,
of course, famous explorer. So the schooner, the Little Morsey.

(02:03:40):
His schooner hasn't been to Brigus in thirty five years,
but it's coming back.

Speaker 3 (02:03:45):
So here's just a little snippet coming from the community.

Speaker 2 (02:03:50):
Bob Bartlett won international renown is the greatest ice master
for numerous Arctic voyages, from taking Robert Pirie to the
North Fall in nineteen oh nine and of course walking
seven hundred miles over the Arctic ice on a rescue
ship for the crew of the then lost Carlic in
nineteen fourteen. From nineteen twenty five to nineteen forty six,
he owned the Grand Bank fishing schooner the Effing Morsey
and went twenty years sail in the Eastern Arctic. After

(02:04:12):
his death, the ship had another career as a sailing
packet between Cape verd and the Atlantic Seaboard. The Morrisey
last visitor Brigis thirty five years ago, recently underwent to
six million dollar rebuild and is now a vessel in
the Massachusetts Maritime Academy Fleet as well as the official
schooner of Massachusetts. So it's a beautiful vessel if you've
ever seen it, important to both Canadian and American nautical history.

(02:04:36):
It's going to be in Brigis landing sometime late on
the eleventh of September. It's going to remain in the
community until the fourteenth of September. So I know that's
going to be of interest that people listening to this program.
And if you've never seen pictures of a little Morsey,
absolutely brilliant, especially when you look at the aftermath of
a six million dollar rebuild. And so it's going to
be sailing into Brigis Harbor on the eleventh of September.

(02:04:58):
I thought that was interesting in enough to put it
out there for you anyway, as she was shaking on
the Twitter box before we get code, seem to be
getting some positive reaction to the possibility or the potential
to organize a significant swath of a show. No, of course,
your calls on the Upper Churchill issue absolutely most welcome.

(02:05:20):
Is maybe just to see if we can't get some
of the primaries in the studio with me. So whether
that be you know, and I mentioned Jennifer Williams, of course,
the CEO of Hydro, one of the negotiating individuals representing
the province, whether it be Carl Smith who was also
on that team, and you know, we'll try to find
who might be the best voices to ask questions as

(02:05:41):
they are and some of them, you know, calling it
one of the most biggest financial side steps or mistakes
in the province's.

Speaker 4 (02:05:48):
History, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
And again, just to get information out there. I don't
need it to be some sort of heated spectacle for
their own personal benefit. I'm only interested in getting information
to you, Okay. Final word of the morning goes to Chris.
Chris around the Earth.

Speaker 20 (02:06:06):
The party, I decided I'm giving you a call about
the new deal. We're in solid qurec now. I don't
have nothing against the people of Quebec. I think they're
great people that I think they have to pay back Newland,
Robert or some of the money that they accumulated from
the very first deal. Do you know how much money

(02:06:29):
Quevec has gotten and Newholand has gotten whether the numbers,
do you have any idea?

Speaker 2 (02:06:34):
Yeah, it's around twenty five billion Quebec round two billion US.

Speaker 20 (02:06:37):
Okay, Well, before that deal is signed, they have to
pay that something because we're in good up for union.
It's that dad penny that people that have pets have
to give up their pets because they can't afford to
see them. Now, I'm getting this information from a broad okay,

(02:06:58):
from a very good US. Was another thing about this project,
all hands, since you're out there listening, I'm sure there's
lots of montor to the parties. We had to put
a clause in there that we can opt out of
this clause if the electricity goes skyrocket, okay in the

(02:07:19):
future and we're not getting what we deserved. But we
had to put a clause in this before we sawn
off that we can out out of this clause within
twelve months. It is not adaptable to our liking.

Speaker 2 (02:07:36):
Yeah, I suppose as opposed to opt out, even if
there was something there that said, based on price the
last the price increase, the potential for it is that
we would guarantee percentage of the increase, you know, just
something so that we have you know, covered those bases
and you know, check those boxes.

Speaker 3 (02:07:52):
I get that. That's so straight.

Speaker 9 (02:07:54):
Yeah, exactly, because it's not a This is not for us, Patty.
This is part of.

Speaker 20 (02:08:00):
Huge So there's no politician in the world should stay
away with luck penning generations like that happens before.

Speaker 9 (02:08:13):
We have to learn and learn fast, Petty. That's all
I have to say today, And have a good day, Patty.

Speaker 3 (02:08:21):
Same to you, buddy, all the best, right bye bye. Yeah,
I'll try to set that up. Why not.

Speaker 2 (02:08:26):
And I guess we're probably going to have to try
to set that up sooner than later. Given the fact
that if politicians are calling this the upper Churchill election,
then to best arm myself and you with the level
of information we need to make an informed opinion, then
let's see if we can't pull that off. It might
be tricky to do it. Give it people schedules and

(02:08:47):
whether or not they even want to do it so,
but we'll give it our best shot.

Speaker 3 (02:08:51):
All right.

Speaker 2 (02:08:52):
I'm off tomorrow, so I'm not sure who's sitting in
for me, but we will indeed pick up this conversation
again for a morning right here on the OCM and
Big M's Open Line on behalf of the producer Bet Fagan,
I'm your host, Patty Daily.

Speaker 3 (02:09:04):
Have yourself a safe, fun, happy day talking the morning.
Bye bye

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