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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line Call seven oh nine two seven,
three fifty two eleven or one triple eight five ninety
eight six two six of viewsing opinions of this programmer
not necessarily those of this station. The biggest conversation in
Newfoundland and Labrador starts now Here's VOCM Open Line host

(00:22):
Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Thursday, November thirteenth.
This is open Line. I'm your host, Patty Daily. David Williams,
he's produced the program. We are looking forward to speak
with you this morning. So if you're in the Saint
John's metro region, the number of dollars get in the
Q and on the air is seven zero nine two
seven three five two one one elsewhere total free long

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distance one eighty eight eight five ninthy VOCM, which is
eighty six twenty six. So this will maybe be the
last time I mentioned the Trauma Blue Days this year.
You know, as they see George Springer get a Silver
Slugger kind of surprise, and Ojay got a goal glove,
and I was pretty sure John Snyder was going to
win Manager of the Year, like most Jay fans. I've
been highly critical of Schneider over the years, but going

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into the season, the Jays were predicted and finished last
in the divisions and the ALA's toughest division in the
American League. They went on to win the Pennant best
record in the Majors. Stephen Vote Cleveland Guardians manager eighty
eight wins for his team, fewer than he had last year. Now,
the Guardians did overcome a fifteen and a half game
deficit to the Detroit Tarkers, who absolutely imploded, and vote

(01:28):
one manager of the year. Little bit surprised, you know,
I see people why he got robbed. Maybe, but I
thought he had enough done. And it doesn't matter that
they went to the World Series, because the Manager of
the Year award is based on the regular season and
the regular season alone. All right, forget it. This one
on the local scene, and this is a fantastic story.
I've heard about this young athlete many times in the past.

(01:49):
Fallon McLaughlin an absolute standout volley player at O'Donnell High
School out in Mount Pearl. She's set to represent Canada
at the twenty fifth Summer Death Olympics in Tokyo. So
it rose from November fifth, exteenth through the twenty sixth.
It's the hundredth anniversary of the deafth Olympics, which is
the Deaf Olympic Games, the Death Olympics, one of the
world's longest running international sporting events. She's the youngest female

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on Team Canada, the only new Finlander laboradory competing at
this year's games. Eighty countries take part and young Valler
mclachly will be done in the make belief representing Canada
at the Death Olympics in Tokyo. How about that. That's
a fantastic story and just a very quick one quick
shout out to Dawson Mercer. What a season he's having
so far. Scored again last night. He gives him nine
goals on the season already, he's got sixteen points in

(02:32):
seventeen games. And that nine goals. He scored nineteen in
the entirety of the last year's regular season and still
has not missed a regular season games since he first
laced them up. Knock gone. Would all right, just to
throw around a little repeated warnings when we talk about
the online shopping days that are Black Friday and Cyber Monday,
it's you know, a ticon to get a deal, and

(02:53):
it will be all the rage and huge volume of
sales are done on Black Friday and Cyber Monday. But
here's just a couple of things to be mindful of,
and here's some of them. Buy the numbers examples of
fraud over the holidays, in particular those two days. More
than two million Canadians were scammed during Black Friday or
Cyber Monday events in Canada. Two point six percent of
online transactions during Cyber Monday in twenty twenty four or

(03:15):
flag is fraudulent. That's a fifty one percent increase year
over year. So lots to be mindflow, Artificial intelligence powered fraud,
all kinds of fake retailer websites, phishing emails, deep fake videos.
It's a problem. Be weary of the QR codes that
are in some of these links, don't click them. The
tiktop shop scams really popular digital pickpocketing. So what happens

(03:39):
here is the criminals use contactless payment devices to skim
data from your phones or your wallets without any physical contact.
So don't click on any links or emails or text.
Make sure you verify the URLs and look at the
HTTPS security indicators, use your credit card, be skeptical of
anything that says limited time offers. Generally speaking, that's probably

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a scam. And if you don't recognize the seller, do
a little bit of research before you click by. Some
things to be aware of on these two very popular
shopping days. Also, like today, we're involved in the twenty
four hour radiothon and support Adaffodil place. And one call
yesterday from a fellow named Stan who was trying to
make a donation to that we stand on guard once

(04:23):
more in conjunction with the Canadian Red Cross, and when
he was told there was a transaction fee for his
credit card, he decided not to which got a lot
of reaction in my email inbox. I can tell you
that no fewer than one hundred emails on it, and
it got me thinking, you know, on top of looking
around and doing a bit of research into the charity

(04:44):
or the not for profit you're trying to support or
considering supporting, it's the whole concept of the credit card
transaction fee. Yes, I'm sure brobs many people the wrong way.
I totally get it, But if I thought about it,
when I thought about it a little bit more yesterday.
If the charity doesn't chat to the fee, then the
fee comes out of your donation. So it's kind of
six to one, a half dozen or the other. So

(05:06):
when people are pointing figures of blame at the charities,
it might be a little bit misguided because it's the
credit card company, and you know they're not necessarily our friends.
Just look at the rate of interest we pay on
our credit cards. But in a perfect world, charities maybe
could be exempt from credit card transaction fees or a
far reduced fee. So that's where it's coming from. It's

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the credit card. So we pick our poisoner. Either the
charity gets less to the money you want to donate,
or you pay the fee, or the credit card companies
into the future with a bit of good will and
bit of good corporate citizenry, maybe reduction and fees for
those sort of charitable transactions. You want to talk about it,
let's go all right. So we've heard many, many stories

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about examples of violence in schools, the stories of children,
young adults bringing weapons to school, some of those four
offensive purposes and some of them for defensive purposes. We've
heard the numbers about the number of time law enforcement
has to be called to a school, and it happened
again yesterday out in Gander, Saint Paul's intermediate young person

(06:10):
arrested and now charged with uttering threats. The exact nature
of the threats I don't know, and I'd like to
also know or be reminded exactly what's the protocol to
inform the parents of the students in that school or
any school where this type of arrest and charge has
been laid. Few emails from parents who are justifiably shook up. Now,

(06:31):
some parents are maybe a little bit more nervous than others,
but it's quite understandable if those types of things are
happening in your child school, which you know full well
leads to examples of children getting up and saying, I
don't want to go. I'm scared. What a way to
go through a school year afraid. It's one thing to
be worried about your physics exam, one thing to be
worried about being made fun of because of your looks,

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which is all bad enough, but imagine just being physically, mentally,
emotionally afraid to go to school. So you had another
example of that kind of violence, and well, at least
the offering of threats. I should say, all right, maybe
some people are going to get sick of this, but
we're gonna have to keep banging this drum. Yet another
story in the media, in the news regarding artificial intelligence,

(07:17):
and it's worth noting. So there's this consumer advocacy group
called Public Citizen. They've sent a letter on Tuesday to
open AI and this is about video generation software called
Sora too. It can't be quite fun to use, right.
You just imagine whatever Martin Luther King selling newspapers on
the corner or whatever, and very quickly you can have

(07:39):
an AI generated visual and it spread fire and wide,
whether it be on TikTok or Instagram, x Twitter or Facebook.
So here's some of the examples. Queen is a bit
the second Wrappin' or what else we got here depicts
fake doorbell camera footage capturing something slightly uncanny whatever it
be an alligator approaching an unfaced child, but worse than that.

(08:01):
So there's many examples, and the videos are floating around
or they talk about fitticized niche content made through the
apps restrictions. So what they've seen is a bunch of
videos of women being strangled like the concept of misinformation
and or privacy, it's just going to get worse. It's
already extremely difficult to understand what you're looking at or

(08:23):
reading or seeing is actually real or not. So when
it goes down that rabbit hole, and consider the environmental
impact of artificial intelligence between energy and water, I'm not
so sure we're on the right track. Now. What can
be done about it?

Speaker 3 (08:38):
You know?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Is it a matter of government regulation, which nobody's really
in the mood for the heavy hand of government coming
too fire down on these types of things. But it's
potentially dangerous. There's more lawsuits being filed this week, seven
new lawsuits in California claiming that a chatbot chat ept
drove people to suicide and harmful delusions, even when they
had no prior mental health issues. They even talk about

(09:01):
internal warnings that open AI chatch ept are dangerously psychophantic,
psychologically manipulative. So again, I'm sure people are going to
get tired of hearing me talk about AI and what
it means and how we use it and the difficulty
ever growing difficulty in realizing what we're looking at, whether
it's real or fake. It's a problem, It really truly is,

(09:24):
and add into it one more time the amount of
power and water required so people can make a little
tube second or pardon me, thirty second videos to share
on social media. Is it really worth it anyway? Yes,
AI and healthcare applications sure absolutely seems incredibly effective and helpful,
but not necessarily in the big scheme with things. Your thoughts,

(09:44):
all right? I read a really bizarre opinion piece in
one of the national media posts this week, and it
was about, you know, the fallacy or the ridiculous nature
of being encouraged by local I don't know why that's
a bad thing. Now, it's your money, you do whatever
you like. But for small businesses in this country, given
the implication of tariffs, and it's not just about the

(10:05):
importation of some of the components of what they eventually make.
It's so many small businesses, and in this case, for instance,
crafters might not sound like a big deal, but it
is to them. When there was an exemption that was
ended by the Americans called the Deminimus exemption, which basically
said you're allowed to sell and to sell goods in
the United States that was valued under eight hundred dollars

(10:27):
American without any extra fees, and so now with that
exemption gone away, they're paying extraordinary fees which they can't
afford to pay. It's gobbled up the entire profitability of
their business. So they lost the American market and you
can't make it up with domestic buy local thoughts or practices,
but it's going to be pretty important into the future.
So just that one reminder if you're so inclined and

(10:49):
you're looking for the holiday gift, because here we are
in that shopping season, especially in the smaller businesses in
the worlds of crafts and what have you, they've lost
a big chunk of their American market. So just for
your consideration to consider buying local if your sown client.
And on that front, you know, with the new government
in play here now, of course everyone's well aware. The

(11:10):
fact that the PCs have a majority government is the
whole concept of internal trade. The past liberal government they
weren't that high on it. Eventually struck a deal with
mail order alcohol, which is kind of really all that
the kerfuffle was about. But I wonder as they're change
in tone with the PCs about interprovincial trade. You know,
some momentum has been achieved across the country. We do

(11:33):
know prior to this, even though there was a free
trade agreement signed in twenty seventeen, not much action really
took place on the heels of it. It costs Canadian
consumers billions of dollars a year because of these provincial
jurisdictions and their territorial Uno Watts. So I just wonder
allowed whether or not there's an opportunity for the PCs
to address that what it might mean for the consumer

(11:57):
and on that front when speaking with prem Wakem, and
we do know that the infamous Mike Wilson resignation letter
was released unredacted, and of course, just as a reminder,
Mike Wilson was one of the three people originally pointed
to the independent oversight body looking at the Upper Churchile
MoU and there was lots to learn from Mike Wilson,

(12:17):
both on this show and in the entirety of his letter.
And we can talk about that off your stone, client.
So that was one example of Premier Wakem talking about
public disclosure insofar as transparency is concerned, and I asked
him directly on this program. We saw the Moye Green report.
It was released in its entirety and the Rothchild Report,
which I'd really like to have a look at, I

(12:38):
must say, considering that me and you paid for it,
I'd like to see what's inside the covers of it.
Some of the recommendations that we heard from Green were
divesting from the oil equity stakes at the time. In opposition,
Tony Wakem said quite clearly that he sees that as
an indication of getting away from offshore world production, which
some people applaud, but it didn't necessarily have to mean that.

(12:59):
So even if are not interested in divesting, the government
then government liberal government did go out to the market
to see what the value might be. So even if
the Tories are not interested in any divesting, it would
be nice to know what those numbers are. So if
we're going to be transparent, let's get a look at
those numbers, because obviously there's numbers in hand at this

(13:20):
moment of time, and I just think for the curiosity
of it all, considering where we are with debt and deficit,
if it's a massive number that should be publicly considered.
That doesn't mean we shut you know, turn off the valves,
stop pumping in the current offshore production area, but it'd
be nice to know what that value is. And just
for your reminder, four point nine percent equity at Hebrown

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Hybriding the South is eight point seven percent. Then we
have five percent in the White Rose Extension project all
the intellectual property at oil Coal, which is of course
splintered away from now core those years ago. So I
need to see those numbers also in wonder what the
stance might be. And I can't believe this hasn't given
more conversation. Things like we know Marble's in trouble, bull

(14:02):
Arm has been dealt with insofar as the lease to Narrogos,
and hopefully they are quite aggressive and trying to get
some of these military contracts that could or should be
available to them. And it's the NLC. It would still
bring plenty of revenue in the form of excise tax
with the sale of alcohol if and when it's sold
off in powder in full. We still don't even know
what that necessarily means. But this is an interesting post

(14:24):
I saw yesterday and I did verify with numbers from
Stats Canada. What it shows. It indicates the return of
the respective liquor boards to government net income plus taxes
collected plus fees all of this. Of course, relative to
net sales, the Canadian average a return to sixty five
percent for the NLC, it's one hundred and one percent.

(14:44):
Why this is important in the hospitality sector is that
just look at the struggle, and the struggle is real
regarding restaurants and bars. So can there be a way
to protect those tens of thousands of jobs which are
difficult enough to fill and to maintain and keep your
staff on board for the long term and you know,
heading into the pretty lean months over the course of

(15:07):
the winter. That's an important conversation. It's one thing for
the restaurants and bars to be busy at the heights
of the tourism season, but that average nationwide of sixty
five percent compared to one hundred and one percent for
the NLC is an interesting way to look at the
restaurant and bar and hospitality sector. And I appreciate Todd
posting that, and I was happy to gobble it up.

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All right, a couple of quickies before we get to you.
So today in Terras PC, the Prime Minister will be
announced in the next wave of what they refer to
as nation building projects, all under the auspices of the
Major Project's Office. Now we all know talk about fast
tracking infrastructure. None of the projects are in this province,
but worth considering so critical Mineral Mind in New Brunswick,

(15:52):
a nickel miner in Ontario, Liquefied natural Gas and PC
a hydro project in the Caluit, and the Graphite Mind
Phase Phase two in Quebec. Also we're being told there's
also a transmission project NBC, the North Coast Transmission Line.
Why that's an important conversation. Here is a few things.
Number one, and we're going to have a conversation about

(16:13):
critical minerals and mining here shortly here this morning with
the Mining Association. So where are we on some of
these project lists and maybe just for a better understanding
of exactly what we're sitting on in so far as
critical minerals, environmental review processes, what have you. But when
we talk about hydro in a call of it, because
we've got a big conversation in this province regarding the

(16:35):
Upper Churchill and goal. Then most interestingly to me is transmission.
If the FEDS are going to be involved, whether it
be fast track based on being greenlit environmentally and or
financially invested in these transmission projects, because we know the
province in Quebec is actively lobbying the federal government for
investments in transmission, which would change how we think about

(16:59):
the Upper Church Angal and this proposed MoU because it
would change things if the Feds get involved in the
province of Competkin transmission, it would have an impact on
the who gets what type of benefit from this move
towards definitive agreements. Same thing with the East West Energy Quarter,
which the Prime Minister himself has opened up that door.
And we know that's a mythical unicorn that's been kicked

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around since John Diefenbaker. But the FEDS are clearly involved
in critical minerals, clearly involved in hydro, clearly involved in transmission.
What does that mean for us into the long term?
I think is a question worth pursuing or perusing your thoughts,
all right, someone wants me to bring up, of course,

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the bloody Epstein story. Look, I've had the same position
on this from day one, and yesterday there was a
release of hundreds, if not thousands of emails, and people
will talk about the mention of specific people, even though
if Trump's name has appeared, he hasn't been accused of
any wrongdoing based on what we saw yesterday. So let
me get that aside. But can we all just get

(18:03):
down to the brass tacks of acknowledging out loud that
we know the hesitation or the reservation by not releasing
every single detail that we can get our eyes on
and the chase of all the examples of wire transfers,
rich and powerful people are being protected. It's as simple
as that. And for me, I don't care who's on

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that list in so far as what party they represent,
what industry they represent, what side of the political spectrum
they're on. If people can be justifiably and proven to
be guilty of being involved in sex trafficking of girls,
raping children, can we all just not agree that that
is bad? Can we all not just agree that those
who are responsible should be held to account? I mean,

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I know the rich and the powerful have their thumb
on the scales of justice. They have their they've got
two hands wrapped around the throats of government and have
far too much control. We're talking about pedophiles, Like the
back and forth on social media is grotesque. It just is.
If you were involved in raping children, you should go
to prison. It doesn't matter who you are, where you're from,

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how much money you have, what party you're associated with.
There's apparently a Canadian billionaire on the list. So even
if we're just looking at our our own natural our
national interest, I mean, come on, we're on Twitter or
vio similar polinnion follows there email addresses, openline a FEOCM
dot com and we've talked about we're going to discuss
critical minerals. Joining us right after the break is the
executive director at Mining and L. That's a Mandam MacCallum,

(19:33):
to talk critical minerals and exploration. Then plenty of time
for you. Don't go away, welcome back to the show.
Let's got a line number one and sage more to
the executive director at Mining and L. That's Amanda McCallum,
and we get the right button. Good morning Amanda around the.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Air, Hi, good morning, how are you excellent today?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Thanks? Ho about you?

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
You know, there's a lot of talk high level about
critical minerals and the global thirst for them, and we
talk about just how much can be found in this province.
Just paint the picture of just the wealth of critical
mineral resources that are indeed in this province.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Sure, So I mean various jurisdictions around the world publish
critical minerals listing and Canada is no exception. So Canada
has a list of critical minerals. There's thirty four that
have been identified and just kind of high level critical minerals,
the caveat being very essential to Canada's economic security. You know,

(20:26):
they're required for a transition to a lower carbon economy
as well as a sustainable just having a sustainable source
of critical minerals. So, like I said, Canada has thirty
four here in this province. We have about twenty seven
to twenty eight although identified critical minerals that we know
currently to exist. Big picture, the United States, you know,

(20:50):
has a list of fifty They updated that as of
Friday of last week and there's now sixty sixty different
critical minerals identified, and we have over like thirty four
were of those of those you know, fifty sixty. So
this province when it comes to our endowment of minerals
and metals is it's very generous.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
And we just had one attitude the list in Canada
not that long ago. High purity r and ore, which
is significant when we talk about resources in Labrador. Okay,
So I was really I really thought there'd be a
lot of fast track action here in the critical minerals world,
given we're talking about it's not just electric vehicles or
solar panels, but it's in your mobile phone, it's in
medical devices, it's part of defense applications. So I'm a

(21:36):
little bit surprised there's not more activity. Can you give
us an idea of what kind of activity is actually happening.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Well, I think just big picture of the mining sector
is not a sector that often makes mainstream media. I
think it's a pillar to our economy, and it's just
now because of this language around critical strategic minerals and
metals that has, you know, brought it a little bit
more in the popular domain. But to your point, I mean,

(22:07):
just recently in the federal government, the budget that came
that was tabled, there were a variety of initiatives supporting
investments and advancements of searching and exploring for critical minerals.
With the establishment of an endowment fund, they had Canada

(22:28):
had added about twelve different additional critical minerals to their
list that would be eligible for funding, and that included
two critical minerals which would benefit projects in this province.
That would be floor spar as well as manganese, which
is a by product recovery for Tacors operations in Labrador West.

(22:51):
So to your point, yeah, I think that we would
like to see more, but we're moving in the right.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Direction, moving in the right direction. If we talk about
new minds or expansion of existing minds, a lot of
it boils down to, you know, support for exploration obviously,
and then there's plenty of money required to open or
to expand in mind, but it also requires power. That
gets a lot of conversation understandably. So, but even when
we talk about the access to power that's currently out

(23:20):
there and the quadrupling the laborator recall block, but that's
not over the court, that's over the course of like
thirty thirty five years. So how big is the access
to power conversation? If we're talking about expanding the.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Industry, access to power is critical. You know, industry cannot expand,
industry cannot grow, industry cannot decarbonize without power. It's that simple.
So if you look specifically in Labrador West, power is
a required prerequisite. I'm not going to share a stat
that hasn't already been in the public domain. I mean,

(23:53):
Takora I believe uses about fifty megawatts of power. For
their expansion to be completed, they need at least two
hung mega lots of power. So it's a requirement, it's
a prerequisite. Industry cannot grow without access to power.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
It's going to feel like we're bouncing around a little bit,
because that's just nature of my mind. So it's one
thing to explore and there's another to produce. It's quite
another to have a conversation regarding supply chains because over
the course of history, no, maybe use long Harbor as
a bit of an exemption here, what kind of mode,
what kind of momentum is in your industry talking about

(24:30):
actually doing some secondary processing on these highly sought after,
highly valuable, lucrative minerals and metals.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Okay, so you jumped around, So I'm going to jump
around a little bit when you look at the full
value chain. I mean, we can't get to you can't
achieve processing if we don't actually explore and we don't
have that support on the front end to keep this cycle,
this continuum of a cycle. So if you want to

(24:58):
grow the ecosystem, you have that growth starts with exploration
and having a healthy exploration and I often refer to
exploration as a bit of a subsector of the whole
of the whole industry is onto itself. So in New London, Labrador,
over the past four years, inclusive of twenty twenty five,
we've seen a total of about one point one six

(25:20):
eight billion dollars invested in exploration. So for twenty twenty five,
forecasted exploration expenditures are two hundred and fifty eight million
dollars and for the last you know, several years, it's
been over two hundred and thirty million dollars. So this
is a substantial amount of money being invested into projects
into this province. This is new money. This is not

(25:42):
money which is already you know, in the ecosystem being recycled.
So this is foreign direct investment. So if we want
to really be intentional about growing this sector, you do
that from an extracted resources sector on the front end
through exploration. Exploration requires access, accessibility to land. Investors are

(26:03):
not going to invest in projects if they don't see
a pathway to development. So we need to be able
to ensure that our projects can work. Its way through
that process, you know, pending that it's too positive economic
significance and that requires a lot of capital. So being
able to search and explore for critical and strategic minerals

(26:24):
and metals, it's essential for us to have a healthy
and a robust exploration sector. The permitting process right now
in Canada to go from a find to a mind
on average is just under eighteen years, So there's a
lot of pinch points and pressure points along the way

(26:46):
to be able to develop these projects again from a
find to a development. And then if you're talking about
secondary processing, that's a whole nother you know, that's a
whole nother layer to this. So this is this is
a big process. But if we're like I said, if
we really want to be intentional about having this continuous

(27:07):
supply in this pipeline for responsible mining to be done,
you know in jurisdictions where we have high environmental standards
responsible activity in Stewart Chip and for people here in
this province to be able to benefit economically and socially,
then that has to start and be intentionally supported at

(27:27):
the front end of the value chain through exploration.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Okay, I'll bounce back with you and we'll leave processing aside.
So with the most recent federal budget and talk about
expansions of the exploration tax credit, and there are some
junior mining programs of support here provincially. What's missing then,
in so far support into the exploration world.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Well, the province, through various funding initiatives, do support do
support early exploration activities, but I think that we would
you know, like to see more more supports they are
for explorers. At a national level, there's a mineral Exploration

(28:07):
tax Credit which the Mining Association of Canada and the
PDAC have been strongly advocating for. That was just recently
announced in the budget that that was going to be continued.
I'd like us as a province, as a jurisdiction to
look at how we could do something at a provincial level,
So maybe that's a Newfoundland and Labrador mineral exploration tax credit,

(28:28):
to see if there's value in us looking at that,
and then that's something that could be stacked. So there's
other jurisdictions that you know that are also bringing in
substantial amount of exploration investment dollars, Quebec and Ontario and Saskatchewan.
Saskatchewan in particular has ranked in the first place in
Canada on the Fraser Institute for Investment Attractiveness Newfoundland and Labrador,

(28:54):
we've been ranking its second in Canada, and we rank
in the top ten globally. So I mean that's not
the top ten in Canada, that's not the top ten
in North America, that's the top ten in the world.
So we want to ensure that we're exploring and we're
looking at, you know, continuing to make this province attractive

(29:18):
from an investment attractiveness lens. This where we're really a
frontier district here, and when I say frontier, I mean
we're under explored and we're underdeveloped. So we have a substantial,
I think, really a generational opportunity here for Newfoundland and
Labrador to continue to build that momentum. We've got you know,

(29:40):
companies coming in here picking up projects, scaling up their
activities because of the fact that we've been under explored
and the fact that we also have you know, world
class mineral types and world class or deposits. So we've
been a bucket list destination for geologists for a long

(30:01):
time just because we have that right geological environment, and
we just want to continue to ensure that we incentivize
so that this jurisdic should remains competitive globally.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, you mentioned Saskatchewan driven a large part by phosphorus
and potash, of course, which part of the international trade conversation.
Last one. So from find to operational mind and you
talk about average around eighteen years. Have you seen the
most recent report from dal Housie from Atlanta Westwood regarding
the patchwork of laws of regulations regarding consistency.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
I did see that report.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Is okay, So what do we make of this because
here's just one of the quotes from the author. If
you think about the Rogers Center where the Blue Jays played,
imagine an open pit that size and now multiplied by
eight hundred. That's the size of the pits of many
of these proposed minds, the size of a small city,
some of them in terms of the footprint. Then they
talk about groundwater pollution. It could last, you know, for
thousands of years. So how do we shorten that timeframe

(30:56):
of find to operations eighteen years? With the environment concerns
and the disconnect between the different provinces, you know, it
doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that
you wouldn't have a consistent approach to environmental assessments, even
if we just stick with Atlantic Canada for instance. So
what was your takeaway when you read this report.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
I think that a big, big statement. First, I mean,
industries legacy of the past should not be a liability
for the future. That's my first statement I would say
in response. Secondly, when it comes to province's territories in
the federal government, when it comes to the environmental assessment process. Currently,

(31:41):
since you know, since the federal government has had their
environmental assessment process, we have some of the most stringent
and regulated processes. So from an industry lens, we're seeing
a lot of duplication and a lot of overlap. So
shortening the process, we're not it's not taking or taking

(32:06):
away any rigor of that process. It's just removing some
of the bau bureaucracy. So that that's the concern when
it comes to these permitting timelines and of course the
environmental assessment processes. Any industrial projects, any industrial development projects
have to go through an environmental assessment process. The mining

(32:28):
industry is you know, is one of of any So
if you want to put any sort of a road
or a highway, but any any development requires natural resources
or resources, So so I don't I see these reports.
I can't really comment to the details of the report

(32:50):
other than other than to say that from again from
an industry lens, we're seeing a lot of overreach from
the THUD government when it comes to the process and
and a lot of duplication. So I think that we'd
like to see things more streamlined and more less removing

(33:13):
some of those bureaucratic.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Barriers, because time doesn't necessarily equate comprehensive for complete or
you know, shorting time frames doesn't mean you throw caution
in the wind. Did it in the oil industry? Don't
know why I couldn't be applied to the mining sector. Amanda.
I appreciate your time here this morning, Thanks for doing it.
Anything else you'd like to say, Uh.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
No, just thank you for the opportunity, and yeah, I'll
look forward to chatting again in the future.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Me too. Thank you, Amanda.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
All right, thank you, Welcome bye.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Bye Amnuel Calum, Executive Director of Mining and now let's
take a break, don't go away, welcome back to the show.
Let's go Line number three. Julie, you're on the air.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Hi there I take you out speak.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
For one second.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Okay, there, there we go.

Speaker 7 (33:59):
Yes, I just wanted to call in this morning because
somebody near and very near and dear to me is
going through a very rough time right now with some
mental health issues, and navigating the system is just so
excruciatingly frustrating and long, and I just wanted to bring
light too. We all know that mental health is an illness,

(34:20):
and we've tried to take the stigma away from mental health,
the stigma that was put on it over the years.
But trying to get real help is very, very difficult.
If I could, I'll just read you a very short
paragraph this person sent to me yesterday. Is that I've
been suffering mentally for more than a decade and it's

(34:41):
only getting worse.

Speaker 8 (34:42):
Every day feels like a fight just to get through.

Speaker 7 (34:45):
I can't go to work, even though I have a
full time job. Some days I can barely get out
a bit. It affects everything, my mind, my body, my
whole life. I've been trying to get help, but the
way to see a psychiatrist is unbelievably long. It feels
like like me are being forgotten, feels like I'm slipping
through the cracks and I'm scared of what might happen

(35:06):
if nothing changes soon. I need help and I need
it now. And it was just a heartbreaking message to read.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
It. Sure is can people send me stories like that
so often? Julie? It's overwhelming some days. And then the
next issue for me is try to help. And sometimes
it's really hard to know what to do because if
they're in the system and they're simply waiting to see
a psychiatrist or waiting for whatever level of diagnosis or treatment,

(35:35):
it's hard to know where to point them. So how
do you approach your friend who has written in this note?

Speaker 7 (35:41):
Well, first of all, I'm going to be writing the
Minister of Health and I'm going to be seeing to
vote opposition parties. I know it might not do anything,
but we've got to try to do something. Like this
young man, he's he's been in hospital because of his
mental health issues. He's been admitted to house Bill. He

(36:04):
sees a psychiatrist while he's there, but when he's released
and said home, he doesn't have access to a psychiatrist.
He's on a wait list versus chiatrists for two years now.
He needs continuing care and not only him but others
like him, and you know, like you said, you're at

(36:24):
a losses to where to point them. But I guess
we can only just keep speaking out because they are
loved ones that they deserve to be looked after. And
it's really hard to know what to be doing.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
There's one interesting point you made there that I think
is critically important here, and it's one thing to be
in and then discharged and then back in and discharge
thee one counselor see different counselors. The continuity of care
in mental health is so important, you know, as opposed
to trying to start from the beginning and retell your
story then trying to familiarize yourself with the next therapist

(37:00):
or a counselor, or psychiatrists or psychologists. So that continuity
piece that gets lost far too often the conversation, and
it is crucial.

Speaker 7 (37:09):
It is crucial, and it is the only thing that
will probably work for most people.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
And just you know, like.

Speaker 7 (37:18):
Not being continuous, like you said, just starting over and
over and over, and for somebody who doesn't have the
energy or the mental stability to get at a bed
in the morning, even presenting to emergency is very daunting.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, no doubt about it. And then you know, sometimes
it's hard for me to understand every moving part of
a story. One people tell me that they're having the
suicidal ideations, and we tell them and we ask them
to present themselves at the new mental health and addictions facility,
and sometimes that doesn't even get them anywhere. So it's
really a tricky conversation at the best of times. But

(37:53):
to your point, speaking out I think has been helpful.
There has been some increase in access. Now it's not ideal,
it's nowhere close too, but I think it's getting better now.
That will get me in a bit of hot water.
But I do think that and the pathway to it
being as accessible as it needs to be, we're just
at the very we're at the starting line.

Speaker 7 (38:14):
You might be getting a little better, but we have
to continue to speak out to make it a lot better.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I think, yeah, fair enough. So in the form of
speaking out, how is just in your opinion, how should
we be speaking up? Because it's one thing to simply
say it's broken, they're not working in our best interest,
as opposed to specific things that could indeed be addressed.
Because we can't just all of a sudden flip a
switch and we triple the number of psychiatrists working in

(38:42):
the problemce. So, do you have any you know, baby
step issues where we can start, because it's probably going
to be the best pathway to improvement is step by step,
as opposed to pretending that in one fell swoop we
can fix it.

Speaker 7 (38:53):
Well, I think we need to keep not only reminding
but insisting to our elective officials that you know, this kind,
this type of care, well, any type of health care,
and this one as well included, is critical. It is
probably one of the most critical issues facing any of
us as a population. It's okay, you know, to have

(39:15):
good roles. We all want good rows, we all want
good infrastructure, but if we have, we don't have good
health care, and people are dying in front of us.
All of it is for not.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Absolutely and what a heartbreaking thing to think, and even
more so to be able to say and to say
it accurately, because it's true.

Speaker 8 (39:35):
It's true, It's true. Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (39:39):
So I'm just praying for this loved one of mine
that he's going to be able to get the help
that he needs. He's a very he's a very young man.
Like I said, he has a full time job, but
he go to work. If you go back to work
for a couple of weeks and he has to take
off again because he just can't mentally can't handle it,
and without continuing care, nothing is going to change.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Sad state of affairs. Hopefully things improve for your friend
and I really appreciate you doing some advocacy on their
behalf this morning. Thanks for calling, Julie, Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Patty, have a good day.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Thank you too. Okay, bye bye, Hope, that was really quick.
Let's see, let's get break in. Don't go ahead, welcome back.
Let's go to line number two. Take it more to
the CEO at the Alzheimer's Society of New Fallanta Laboror.
That's Shirley Lucas High. Shirley, you're on the air.

Speaker 9 (40:21):
Hi, Good morning, How are you great today?

Speaker 2 (40:23):
How about you?

Speaker 9 (40:24):
Good?

Speaker 10 (40:25):
Good?

Speaker 6 (40:26):
So?

Speaker 9 (40:26):
I just wanted to call in today to, I guess
make people aware of some educational sessions that we offer
on an ongoing basis, and we actually have one coming
up next week on November the nineteenth, where doctor Butler
will be presenting two families on the Dementia Journey about

(40:46):
the day of placement Obviously, these types of sessions are
important to keep people informed of how to navigate the
healthcare system and ways that we as the Alzheimer's Society
can support them going forward.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
It's so important for this to be presentations to families
because far too often the caregiver, the family, the loved
ones are left out of the conversation were focus in
on the diagnosis.

Speaker 9 (41:13):
Absolutely, it is important that people recognize that there are
at least two people affected by the diagnosis. Oftentimes it's
more than two with extended family and various things like that.
So to be I guess prepared as best possible, it's
important to avail of any educational programs out there to

(41:33):
help people understand what the diagnosis means, as well as
what the healthcare system has to offer in services, so
people are intercepting with them at the right time.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
This is a question based and ignorance. Is day a
placement when you move into.

Speaker 9 (41:50):
A care home, Yes, so it is to kind of
prepare people for adjusting to the moves. Obviously, it's a
very difficult decision and one that we all would have
difficulty with in terms of making the decision, and then
on the day of the move, itself, So just tips
and suggestions to help families cope with that transition, to

(42:13):
make that easier in the process.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
So what are some of the basics on that front,
because you can only imagine the confusion and the anxiety.
It's one thing for the patient, but it's quite another
for the family. So what do we talk about for
tips to prepare well?

Speaker 9 (42:30):
I mean as a family. I guess if we were
to choose what the course would be in the dementia journey,
we would all choose to keep them at home as
long as possible. So from an emotional point of view,
it's a very stressful day for everyone. It's important to
kind of you to help with that transition in make
bringing familiar things for their loved one to the facility,

(42:53):
making sure they're surrounded by support, not doing it alone,
having somebody go with them on the day of place smith,
as well as you know, taking time to kind of
talk to the people at the facility, learn about the
facility and what their new role will be in that transition.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I'm not sure how to ask this one, but I
know friends of the family that are going through this
at this moment time, they're not all the way to
putting their loved one in care, but it's coming so
and they have a big family. The conversation that I
hear them having, I'm not trying to be involved because
it has nothing to do with me. But is it
important to sort of reduce the numbers of people directly

(43:34):
involved in the transition, because you know, as the sons
or daughters or cousins, arounds or uncles, everyone would like
to play some sort of role to show that they care,
but that comes with some complications and potential for mixed messages.
So it should be you know, just pick a couple
of voices inside the family to be part of this
direct transition or is it all hands on deck?

Speaker 9 (43:54):
Well, I think that I guess the initial first few days,
selecting a couple of people would probably be a better
transition for the person who is going through it. And
I think as the role of the family changes, it
will be kind of coordinating in terms of visits to
the home to make sure that the person in the

(44:14):
community gets breaks and has the comfort of knowing that
somebody else is being there. So, you know, setting up
schedules as to when people can visit initially would be
helpful so that the person themselves feels supported as well
as the primary caregiver to try to reduce some of
the burnout of the transition into care and how that

(44:39):
will impact them emotionally as well as physically in terms
of being able to get to the facility. You know,
maybe it's a case where you know it's an older
adult and they may need support and having the extended
family take that person to the home to visit their
loved one and different things of that nature. I think
it's really important to have open communication to have those

(45:01):
discussions and try to find the best pass forward, and
we as the Alzheimer's Society can certainly be a part
of providing information on ways to do that to be
able to help people with that transition.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Well more time. Surely the details for the presentation, pardon me,
I think you told us I talked about what's going
to be making a presentation. I just want to where
and when.

Speaker 9 (45:25):
Oh, he's making the presentation here at our office at
eight thirty five tops So Road. If people would like
to avail it, they can certainly call our office at
five seven six zero six zero eight. And I should
note that this presentation is part of a learning series
that we offer, so in essence, we are offering fifteen
weeks of the dementia journey to help families at different

(45:48):
stages in terms of what to expect on the dementia journey,
you know, looking at some legal and financial things to
take into consideration. So there's lots of opportunities to learn
about the different stages.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
And as we've talked about in the past, maybe we'll
do it again next time for the provinces and for
the country to be prepared for the forecasted numbers of dementia.
Is I'm not so sure we're really following the numbers.
We're talking about. By twenty fifty one hundred and eighty
seven percent increase in people's living with dimension in this country.
Is it's remarkable when you think about it.

Speaker 9 (46:18):
It is it's scary when you think about it. It
is that in terms of the amount of numbers and
how they're going to increase in the coming years. And
I think that it's important that you know, we create
awareness out there so that people feel supported in the
community and that people, you know, as I said, get
access to the necessary supports, access to education to be

(46:40):
able to help everybody through their individual process.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Pre sire your time, Shirley, thank you, thank you having
to day you too, pervide Shirley Lucas, CEO of the
Alzheimer's Society. Right, let's bring it for the news. When
we started the show talking critical minerals, we're going to
pick up after the news talk about rare earth minerals.
Don't go away, welcome back to the progress. Let's go
to line up three. You saying more to the CEO
Search Minerals as Joseph lands On and good morning Joseph,

(47:05):
you're on the air.

Speaker 11 (47:07):
Good morning, Patty. I really appreciate oho to us. Thank
you very much for the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Happy to have you on the program. Let's start with
the absolute basics. We spoke with Van McCallum at Mining
and l talk about critical minerals. What's the difference between
a rare earth mineral or element and critical minerals.

Speaker 11 (47:24):
Well, it's a definition of where it fits in the marketplace.
We have two types of rarers. We got the lights
and we got the heavies. The heavies are more about
the magnets, more about, as we say, the defense establishment

(47:46):
that the light ones can be used for the telephones
for the TVs for all kinds of other consumer goods.
We search minerals. After sixteen years of the drilling, development
and having the right to geology, we will be able
to go with two lights and two heavies right off

(48:08):
the bed to market. That's our targets.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
So you've got two sites, Foxtrot and Deep Fox, and
that's just around Saint Louis, Labrador. So give us some
idea of the wealth of rare arthur're sitting on in
those two deposits.

Speaker 11 (48:22):
Well, in terms of mining years, we're talking around twenty
five years of mining. But also you've got to appreciate
it's not a lab city type of mining. That's I
came from the iron ore industry myself and the zinc
always base metals. But what you have here in Saint
Louis is very precise mining critical minerals. As you know,

(48:46):
it's not like digging for gold or copper. You don't
go there and find that. What happens is that after
the geology has been proven, then there's a whole processing
place that right now we are not focusing on the
patty simply because we have solutions. There's lots of solutions
that there's lots of discussion, but as you know, critical

(49:10):
Minerals soon will be part of the homeland security network,
so we'll have to be more attentive to what the
needs of the market are. So right now in Saint Louis,
the opportunity is immense because of the discovery and that
is thank you to doctor Randy Miller, which is a

(49:33):
well known scientist and a geoscientists. Just at this past
CIM it was recognized by his peers, just as you
heard earlier. Now what we have after sixteen years, we're
now ready to go to the next level of financing
and the next level of permitting. The permitting now has

(49:55):
started with the provincial government. Search Minerals is a lucky
in that sense that the only federal jurisdictions that we
have to deal with is thefo fisheries and oceans. Any
time you touch water in our country is a total
independent situation. With fisheries and oceans. We got a scheduled

(50:21):
the promise. You know, Minister Lloyd Parrott is a laboratory
and he understands mining. He knows what the struggle about
mining is all about and is appreciative on how we
can now take this project to the next level, which
is full environmental review for a mining permit, and that

(50:45):
will be the first time in Atlantic Canada. We are
the only project that will have critical minerals rare critical
minerals crees and leaves as we call them in a Labrador.
Will be the first in a plant Canada. The government
that's sort of mentioned to us that we should be

(51:05):
able to after sixteen years of development. But also a
lot of work has been done along the process. As
you know, there's a process are constant permitting you've got
to look at and mining has had it is like
the MINT is constantly producing environmental review studies and consultations

(51:27):
with the three communities Saint Louis, Mary's, Herbert and Portobe
Simpson communities. Their petty that you've never seen the support
that is available there and also that economically we could
take advantage of a very very good situation with a

(51:49):
lot of intelligent and constructed people, the level of education
on the South Coast, many of the young men and
women are all working all around the world. Because at
the high level of technical expertise that we have, we're
going to try and attract that and bring everybody to

(52:11):
Saint Louis.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
How complicated would it be to onshore Some of the
metallurgical process, which is currently my understanding, is being done
outside of Canada, and that's that's part of the precision
mind to separate the rare earth minerals and elements from
the ores that our mind. So is that part of
Searcher's plan to you know, bring domestically some of the
metallurgical processes required.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Absolutely.

Speaker 11 (52:36):
Absolutely. The only issue that we have right now is
that in Labrador we are still dealing with electricity, so
to start, we'll have to see how that works. But
potentially there are sites in Newfoundland itself where that that
it's a lab Patty. What we are developing is white

(52:58):
coats jobs. These are very clean jobs, very detailed jobs.
It's not what we know about mining. You know, all
trains lab City, the beautiful rocks of iron ores. This
is a process of a scientists trying to get our

(53:20):
rocks have about a to metals, so we are going
to try and see how many of them can come
out from these columns. You've got to think of this
that the North American process is not allowed to use
any of the Chinese, Mongolian or Russian approaches. So that's

(53:42):
where the whole world, of the whole Western world right
now is looking at that particular solution. How best can
we do it for the environmental review component because as
you know, once the rocks are processed, there will be
a little bit of heat, so that means that there
is a bit of radioactivity that we have to deal with.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
How much power would be required Joseph for you know,
to maximize whether it be the extraction and then for
the metallurgy.

Speaker 11 (54:15):
Look back at the envelope calculation. You know, we got
some more detailed calculation with Loom. We at least need
the three megawatts between three and five megs because you
got to remember this is intensive chemistry, intensive labs.

Speaker 12 (54:35):
It's not you know, it's not like a dryer, it's
a it's.

Speaker 11 (54:40):
A met plan. You know, you got to think of
it as a met plan and sort of discussion purposes
that we have when we know about met plans and laboratory.
So that's what we need in terms of that power.
We can start the mining and we can start very

(55:00):
light processing, which is to sort of clean up the
material as it goes as it goes off to the labs.
Now it could be in Canada. There's very limited ways
of doing this or very limited places that we could go.
But we are talking across and of course the US

(55:22):
is a very important player and all of this as well.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Last some before I let you go. So in the
most recent federal budget they talked about the two billion
dollar creation of a critical Mineral Sovereign Fund. I'm not
entirely sure how it works, but does that have an
impact on your organization? Does it include rare earth?

Speaker 13 (55:40):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (55:40):
Absolutely absolutely, And to access that you've got to be
member of the way this system has been set is
the province that after that takes the lead.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
It's not just.

Speaker 11 (55:51):
Mind going to the FEDS or to going to the
sovereign or funds. It all comes out with the province
because the province of the control on the mining project
from an environmental review process. So then to the next
step to that is then to be part of the
major project. And for Newfoundland and Labrador, now Labrador is

(56:15):
being biased. Here is one of the richest. Doctor Miller
will say, don't call it a trough because you come
from the Iron Ore. But there's the volcanic strip of
sixty four kilometers that we have between the three communities.
So the opportunities for us are immense from as we say,

(56:35):
from a nationalistic point of view, the Labrador in newfuland
we can make that happen for ourselves.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
And promise this is last one. How many jobs are
we talking about, chelseaph best case scenario.

Speaker 11 (56:46):
In very very little mind, Patty, it's one hundred and
fifty people in and one hundred and fifty people out,
and plus we will have a contractor so.

Speaker 8 (56:57):
On pay roll.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
As we say, we would have.

Speaker 11 (56:59):
A around three hundred people but in two shifts, and
then we are assuming that seventy to eighty contractors will
be part of.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
The play.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
It's good for you to make time for the show
this morning, Joseph. Anything else you'd like to say before
we say goodbye.

Speaker 11 (57:19):
I must think that three mayors. The mayors have been
incredibly supportive of the Mind project. The mayors of the
three communities have been incredibly engaged with us, and now furthermore,
they're all part of our environmental committees, so we are

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we are now trying to consolidate all of that, and
of course NCC is a big player on this whole situation,
so we can be happier Patty in terms of how
economically and as a community aboriginal conditions everything has meant

(58:01):
everything is coming into play for us too. In this
next couple of weeks you will see the announcement that
we will be going to environmental review for flight out.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Good news. Appreciate your time, stay in touch, Joseph.

Speaker 11 (58:17):
Thank you please at any time we appreciate your support
as well.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Thank you very much, sir, My pleasure talk soon. Good bye,
good bye, Joseph lan As the CEO of Search Minerals.
You know, in so far as industry and contributions to
the provincial treasury, mining is second only to our guys.
So and the opportunities there sound to be immense. Let's
hear someone asked me why we didn't talk about the

(58:42):
fact that tomorrow Justice Power, just a loans of fower,
is going to tell us whether or not any of
the three applications for judicial recount will happen. It's a
curious story. I mean, remember back when Alison Coffin was
shot down and that vote discrepancy was fifty three votes.
So this is not just about vote discrepancy. It's also
about some reported irregularities. But that story is not as

(59:06):
simple as it sounds. So maybe we can talk about
that right after break. Don't away. Welcome back to the show.
Let's go to line number four. Verner, you're on the air.

Speaker 8 (59:14):
He just skim oning, Patty.

Speaker 6 (59:16):
I'd like to talk about the people, the little children.

Speaker 14 (59:21):
That gets right, Okay, Now those little children is going
to affect their life for the rest of their life.

Speaker 6 (59:32):
And I said, the person that knew that should be
sentenced the same as a person took up for a
murder ten to twenty years, Patty. Just one thing I'd
like to say, a person takes their pit to a bit,
get neutered, orse paved. Now that person gets out on

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the bill, I would take him to get pastory. Let
him live true life, feel and know what they did
do that little jow the same things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
That is volun true, fair enough, you know. For me,
it's the politics of it all. I can't believe we've
arrived at a moment in history where we're going to
play politics with whether or not people who have been
raping children are exposed, investigated, got through the court system,
and I found guilty, go to prison. Like it's not
a complicated world when it comes to that. But yet

(01:00:30):
folks have just dug their heels in and it's more
important to them about their political favorites and their political
fortunes versus doing what is absolutely the right thing to do.
It's mind boggling to me. Yes, that is the.

Speaker 6 (01:00:44):
Right thing to do. Let them suffer and go through
life to save as that little chalk or not affected
by life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, it's hard to imagine. And you know, we've got
stories here in this province, and we've heard people tell
their Indi stories, whether it be from survivors from Mount
Cashall or otherwise. And of course it can, indeed upset
the rest of your life. It can ruin your life,
of course it can. The trauma associated with that must
be absolutely mind bending. I mean it's hard to think about,

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isn't it, Verna.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
That is, why should.

Speaker 6 (01:01:19):
That person that do that live off so easy to
go to another look a job they should bring mine
and suffer the rest of their life and what they
did do that job?

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
No arguing for me, you know, okay, I appreciate your time, Verna.

Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
Thank you, okay, Petty, thank you for taking my car
my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Bye bye, okay, bye bye. And you know, just it is,
I mean if we stand back and or being honest
for ourselves. It's really difficult to accept the political hot
potato that is this bloody Epstein conversation. I don't know
why people are so quick to jump to the defense
of one party or another. Throw it out there, open

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it up, let the investigations happen, I mean, and to
know that the leader of the free world is now
calling it a hoax. All right, I'm going to just
round off my conversation regarding Justice Power's decision pending tomorrow
regarding whether or not the judicial recounts will be accepted.

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When Alison Coffin was rejected and her loss by fifty
three votes to John Abbott, the course wouldn't hurt it.
And in this case the closest vote margin is eighteen,
the other sixty four and the others one hundred and two,
I believe. But here's where it gets particularly bizarre. So
some people have been brought forth to testify talking about
what they observed regarding special ballots where the voter circle

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of candidate's name instead of marking the arcts marking the X,
some are counted, some we or not. Then it was
concerns around the counterfoil, and the problem there is look
any irregularities to be examined. But where it gets completely
confusing to me is one of the people that came
forward to testify about what they saw regarding irregularities saw

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it in Saint bar of Blant Meadows, or in Torgab Mountains,
or in Lakeville, Lake Melville, pardon me, not in one
of the three districts that are up for debate here, Placentia,
West Bellevue, Tops of Paradise, Lewis Portoligate. So basically, what
they're asking is for the courts for justice power, and
I guess for the rest of us to infer that

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if there was a regularities witnessed in districts other than
the three that are in play, then we should infer
that those irregularities also took place in those three voting
districts that are actually in question. It's a really big
stretch to think that, because I mean, basically, if that's

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the point, let's just say there's a regularities identified in
pick A Riding or a district Lake Melville. By that logic,
every other of the thirty nine voting districts could offer
that argument in court and seek a traditional recount because
something happened to Lake Melville, so consequently we have to
believe what happened everywhere. It doesn't really make any sense,

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does it. Now. I don't mind going through this process
because integrating the faith of election results is pretty important stuff.
But anyway, that's a pretty big stretch, legally or otherwise.
Let's get a break in when we come back. Plenty
show left for you, don't go away. Welcome back to
the show. Let's go to line number five, saging more
to the executive director at the Single Parents Association. That's

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Danielle Seaward. Good morning, Danielle. You're on the air.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
Hi, Patty, how are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Great today? Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 8 (01:04:39):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Not too bad?

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Not too bad.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
It was great seeing everyone last week at the pay
for Play fundraiser through Hot FM as well. We were
super successful with that, so it's great to be chatting
with you again.

Speaker 7 (01:04:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
We were happy to give our colleagues down the hall
a shout out here. Last time I heard for the
tally was around thirty thousand. How did it work out
at the end.

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
Yeah, pretty close to that. It's just under thirty grand.
And you know, we've certainly still been seeing some residual
effects from it, some donations coming in both financial and
in kind. The other side effect I guess that we
sort of anticipated was some extra promotion and awareness, and
the registrations of families and kids that are trying to

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get Christmas Support this year has actually grown once again
since last Thursday, So it's a bit of a perfect store.
But I know that you were on a couple of
weeks ago chatting about the changes that we had to
make to this year's Christmas Magic program and just wanted
to take an opportunity to I guess address that a
little bit and explain the changes that we've had to make,

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and I guess the reason behind that. So not unlike
any other community organization, you know, Single Parents Association is
seeing a lot of struggles this year. In particular, it's
the same song and dance every year when it comes
to the increased cost of living, but this year it's
it's definitely gone above and beyond. We've seen demand on

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our system unlike anything we've ever experienced before. And it's
not just on the number of folks that are looking
for Christmas Magic support, but it's the impact on donors
in the community as well. You know, donors have less
to give just as much as people looking for support
have less to provide their kids for Christmas. So we

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recognize that and we've seen that trend this year. So
what we've done, Patty, is we've changed the value basically
of what each family that is approved is able to
receive for Christmas this year. So we've decreased the value
from two hundred dollars worth of gifts per kid to
one hundred and fifty. So now each family will receive

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just that, so one hundred and fifty dollars worth of
gifts per trial that's registered at Gifts Courage to get
some groceries to make sure that they have Christmas dinner
on the table and whatever they choose to use that
as and a little something for the parent as well.
It's never something that we want to do to decrease
the value per kid, but at the same time, there's

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a couple of reasons behind that, one being that very
fact that donors have less to give, So we want
to make it more attainable for someone that wants to
support and sponsor a family to be able to do
just that, but also to spread that magic as far
as we can. I'm very much a believer in that.
I would rather see a family receive, you know, seventy

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five percent of what they normally would and have more
families receive that than see fewer families receive more. So,
you know, in an average year, we usually provide Christmas
Magic to say, six hundred to eight hundred kids. We
had six hundred and fourteen kids register in the first hour.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
This year of registration.

Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
And I ran a report this morning and we are
up too close to sixteen hundred children. And you know,
that's province wide registered to receive Christmas this year. It's
you know, those are big numbers, and I know people
are very concerned about that. I think it's important to
remember that those numbers aren't just based in the Greater
Saint John's area or the Avalon Peninsula. We provide our

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programs right across the province, all across the island and
through Labrador. So you know, that's definitely a steep hill
for us to have to climb this year. I look
at it as an opportunity to provide magic to more kids.
But you know, I guess that's the very reason for
us having to make that very difficult decision this year understandable.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
So are you going to have to cap it at
some point the numbers of registrations are applications.

Speaker 5 (01:08:51):
Yeah, I mean, we'll have no choice. Right now. Registration
is still open. You know, single parent it comes in
all shapes. You know, it's not a one size fits all,
and we're cognizant to the fact that someone today that's
not a single parent may be a single parent by
the time Christmas rolls around, so you know, we don't

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want to close off that opportunity. But we're only able
to approve as many kids as we fundraise for. So
you know, we have folks that are coming in and
sponsoring an entire family, which is very generous. We have
donors that are dropping off toys and gift cards, so
we'll then use that to fill additional family wish lists

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that aren't approved by a full sponsor, And we're collecting
donations on our website or through the mail, of course,
and we'll do the same thing with that. So you know,
right now, I'm really happy to share that we've already
approved over six hundred kids, which you know, we've done
that in an entire season in previous years, so you know,

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between last week's fundraiser and the number of sponsors coming forward,
it's been a beautiful year for that. But we certainly
have a lot more kids to go, so I'm not
willing to cap it just yet until we see just
how how much magic we can fundraise and we can
collect in terms of toys and gift cards.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
This is not about this particular campaign, but you know,
some organizations are well known for certain things, whether it
be single Parents are Back to School, single Parents, and
the Christmas applications, but there's lots more that goes on
with the Single Parents Association.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
Oh absolutely, those tend to be the two most known
programs just because they you know, they're bigger, they're seasonal,
and they happen each once a year, but our organization
is a year round organization. Our primary program is actually
called SESPA. It's the Single Employment Story, Single Parents Employment

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Support Program, and that is a program that's offered three
times per year and it's an employment readiness course for
single parents that are looking to get back into the workforce. So,
you know, parents may be not working for a variety
of reasons. Especially when you're a single mom or a
single dad, you have many more barriers to employment than

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the average person. So it's a nine week virtual program.
So we have parents from across the island that participate
right now, actually I have several parents in Labrador that
are actively participating in the current session and over the
course of those nine weeks, we teach everything from you know,
professionalism in the workplace, how to complete your resume, what's

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the difference between assertive communication or aggressive versus passive, Anything
that an individual would need in order to take that
next step and get back into the workplace. So, you know,
while back to school and Christmas are the big fundraising
times a year, our impact and I would argue our
stronger impact is taking place in that particular program. It's

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allowing parents to be empowered with confidence and the ability
to you know, get off the system and make that
big step back into the workplace. We support them with clothing.
We have a program called Marker's Closet where they can
avail of clothing for if they're going for an interview
or if they're starting a new job and they can't

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afford to go out and buy something new. We have scrubs,
we've got safety clothes, you know, whatever a parent would
need and if they're not here in Saint John's, we
do a virtual shopping session and send it out to
them by courier. So you know, this is definitely the
biggest Timmy year for us from a fundraising perspective, and
I guess more of a promotional time. But you know

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that program and our food bank that runs here year round,
that's where we see the long term impact.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Yeah, it's important that we keep these messages out there
because they are They're not going away. And I don't
mean to be, you know, down on them out there,
but these costs of living issues aren't getting better anytime
in the short term. Everything else in this world. When
prices go up and when shrink flash becomes normalized, then
to get those prices back down and the products will

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be the same size they wear from five bucks ten
years ago. I don't know, man, it sounds like a
flight of fancy to me. Anything else. Will we have
you this morning, Danielle.

Speaker 5 (01:13:18):
I just want to say a sincere thank you to
all those that have donated already to our programs. You know,
we saw the trend this year with back to school.
We actually had more donors than the previous year, but
we raised less funds. So you know, that tells me
that we all have less to donate to our charities
a choice this year, but the fact that someone would

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still have a little and they choose to donate to
whether it is a single parents association or another charity.
This Christmas season, every dollar is appreciated and it certainly
goes a long way.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Ready, appreciate your time and keep up the good work.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Have a great day, you too, Danielle. Bye bye. So
if you can help, I mean, they're you know, we
get into this season in particular, there is a lot
of need and I think the charity is not for
profits across the board will tell you very similar stories.
The need is growing and the donor base is shrinking,
and that's a perfect storm. And look, I know plenty

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of kind hearted people that in years past would have
been quick to make donations to one cause or another
which everyone is most important to them, but given the
financial strains that have increased, that's not happening anymore. So
I know it's money try to come by and you
do as you see fit. But some of those needs,

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and you know, I think when we talk about children
and families at Christmas just kind of tugs at their
heartstrings a little differently than some other times of the year.
I would think, all right, let's get a break in
for those of you in the Q. Stay right there,
don't away, Welcome back to the show. Let's go line
number four, ray around the air.

Speaker 10 (01:14:54):
Yes, Patty pleasure, Good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
The same to you, sir.

Speaker 10 (01:14:58):
Winter time is coming in now, and I'm just calling
to see if I can ready a group of people
to call in about getting a heat rebat. The cost
of heat as sky rocket as we all know, we
have seniors walking shopping malls, and even young people today

(01:15:20):
can't afford to keep up with the high costs of
appartments and high heat bills and everything else. And this
is one area where I think that there should be
a rebate given to the people. The bills are way
too high, and I'm not counting on my own behalf.
I'm just saying, anybody who is listening this morning, call

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your neighbors, call your friends, get your emails going to
your members, and see about getting at least a little
heat rebat.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yeah. I mean everything is a little bit of a
different conversation when it's cost of living, right, Because heat bills.
We can talk about removing the provincial portion of HST
from it, we can talk about rebates for those who
qualify based on income. Then groceries are a different conversation. Uh,
the groceries are the one that gets me. I mean,
I know here it comes the winter and heating my
home is going to become more expensive. But regardless of

(01:16:12):
who you are, where you are, that price of groceries
is going to be a real devil of an issue
to attack.

Speaker 10 (01:16:18):
Oh yes, in every year that you're looking at today.
I mean, I just don't know how younger people are
doing it with the high cost of groceries, the high
cost and what apartments have gotten out of reach. You
need to get a group of people to get here
now to be able to afford to department. If you're

(01:16:39):
a young person, you imagine I'm minimum wage here today,
trying to in the city of Saying Chance, trying to
rent the pay bills.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Well, it's impossible on your own, that's one thing for sure,
and I'm glad we're going down the rent road. Look,
some people don't like to hear this, especially my friends
who are landlords, but it is time. Given the price
or the cost of rent and the access to a
rental unit. A rent control conversation and building more rental
units is a part of this, and I don't know
why we're so resistant to it. The country kind of

(01:17:09):
changed this tune in housing in the sixties and seventies.
At one point we were building a lot of affordable
rental units in this country. Then with the country on
the national front, abandon it. And now look where we
are right The access to a rental unit here and
the price is astronomical and way out of reach for most.

Speaker 10 (01:17:28):
Well, there's a lot of people dear struggling very very badly,
and it could be enormous for a government to give
a heat rebate. But a little heat rebate could help
so many people in this time. And our heapills are
only going up, they're certainly not coming down.

Speaker 15 (01:17:52):
And I thank you very much for your time, Patty,
I appreciate yours right, Thanks for calling of you too,
Bye bye, And you know the power bills and I
gleaning on this one all the time because I think
it's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Critique I suppose is when we get the annual increase
on the first through July, it doesn't get a whole
lot of attention in this past July was seven percent.
The pub say that, you know, the application was for
the increase to be closer to eleven percent, but they
landed on seven percent. But in the summertime, people don't
really feel that pinch that much. Seven percent of fifty

(01:18:28):
doesn't have the same impact as seven percent of one hundred.
And I'm just using round numbers regarding, you know, the
costs to heat your home or to whatever your home
during the summer months versus the winter months. So had
that price increase annually been evaluated on the first to January,
I think the conversation would sound a lot different. David,
where would you like me to go? Here? That a three?

(01:18:50):
That's a three? All right, let's go lane number three.
Catherine around the air, Oh, good morning.

Speaker 16 (01:18:57):
How are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
I'm very well? Thanks? How about you?

Speaker 16 (01:19:01):
Not too bad? But I thought it's best for me
the call in today to report a phone scams. Okay,
so normally I don't pick up numbers that I don't know,
but I've been waiting on a call from from the
Health Science and sometimes it's like the number, don't like
the name, don't show up for them, right, So anyway,

(01:19:25):
earlier this morning. Actually I was still I was awake,
but I was still in bed. The phone rang and
I picked it up, and when I did, a gentleman
on the other end he said he knew my name
and Edgress. So he said, are you Catherine so and so?
And I said yes. He said you live at such
and such street in Saint John's, Newfoundland And I said yes.

(01:19:48):
And he said, and and you shop at the Canadian
entire right And I said yets. And he said, well,
we've been trying to contact you, we said for a
couple of months. He he said, you've just won twenty
five thousand dollars and I said oh. And he said

(01:20:09):
did you get a letter in the mail? He said,
we sent the letter out to you in the mail
and I said, no, I didn't get no letter in
the mail. He said, oh, oh, probably you didn't get
it because of the postal strike. And I said, well,
I didn't get any letter in the mail. He said, anyway,
that we've been trying to contact he said. And he said,

(01:20:31):
so we just wanted, you know, to get the money
to you, so we want to get your information. And
I said to him, I'm sorry, I said, I don't
give information out over the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
And click, that's the right thing to do. The click
is the welcome sound there.

Speaker 16 (01:20:48):
Yes, I know, but I was kind of a bit
concern because he had full name and he had my fulleadress.
So I was saying, my god, was there a breach.
So I did called canad the entire but they didn't
know of any break cob like the manager at the
store here next to me, and they gave me a

(01:21:11):
number for customer cares to report it. So I did
report it there and they said that they could have
got my name and number from anywhere and just use
Canadian entire and in hopes that I'd be a customer.
So he said, there's really no fear of any of
your information because first I thought, well, I do have

(01:21:32):
a Canadian entire credit card, right But anyway, now they
said they can get your name and number from any
such information and as long as you know you don't
give them any other information, nothing else.

Speaker 11 (01:21:45):
Will go about it.

Speaker 16 (01:21:47):
But you know I did. I said, I still call
and let you guys know that this is going around,
and I think I'm gonna call the Aaron Singi and
reported as well, because if.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
We don't report it. Then the scams don't are public.
The public isn't as aware as they should be of
the endless scams that's circulated, and it only gets worse
around this time of year. I appreciate you to you
making time for the show go ahead.

Speaker 16 (01:22:14):
Yeah, that's why I decided to call it, because it's
close to Christmas. And I said, now, somebody who got
very excited, like, oh my god, I want twenty five dollars. Yeah,
and you know, like sometimes that's just kind of want
you to splirret out all kinds of information, right, So
I said, I better call and that, you know, and

(01:22:37):
thank god that I didn't. You know, I didn't go
along with it, but I'm still concerned that he knew
my name and my full.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Address, and there's a lot of reasons as to why
that becomes the case. I'm glad you didn't fall for Catherine.
Thanks for letting the listeners know.

Speaker 16 (01:22:55):
Okay, thank you, you have a wonderful day, you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Too, Thanks for calling by bye bye. I mean, just
a couple of quick thoughts. One of the most lucrative
items out there in the marketplace is your information. So
I mean, we're quick to sign up for different applications
on our phone that might see or result in some
savings at one shop or another. Then it's the relatively

(01:23:19):
new concept of them asking for your email address and
why it's the convenience of emailing you your receipt or
maybe to be entered in for a contest, or to
sign up for their credit card or to sign up
for their points process. Who knows where the information goes.
I mean some of the companies out there are probably
bad actors. They will sell your information, your contact information

(01:23:41):
to the high spidder, and then they do with it
who knows what. Then you've got the corporation that shared
or sold your information kind of sitting on the sidelines,
playing dumb as if they don't know that the person
who bought the info could use it for this nefarious
operation of calling this lady nose are street address, nose
are phone number notion shops Canadian Tar and it's not
this not a Canadian Tar specific conversation. People that sell

(01:24:05):
that personal information are making scads. Those who buy it
are also making tons of money because they scabbed you
with it. Right, there's no coincidence. If you go to
your Google bar and you just start typing whatever, all
of a sudden that fills out the blank the thing
for you winter coats right, something like that. So, I mean,
the way we have to protect our information is unbelievable.

(01:24:26):
Add that to my newfound rally cry regarding artificial intelligence. Man,
you start to believe anything anymore. Let's take a break
for the news.

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Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number one.
Good morning, Kenny, you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (01:24:57):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Not too bad?

Speaker 13 (01:24:58):
How about your man?

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (01:25:01):
I'm calling in here mostly about the full bank mcgu here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
And Bill alone about what I'm Bill Allen, Sorry, the
food bank? The food bank? Okay, all right?

Speaker 13 (01:25:11):
Like, Uh, Saint John over to Saint John's. You can
go every day, but here you only allow go down
once a month.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
I believe it's only once a week here in Saint
John's too, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 13 (01:25:27):
Uh, well is that what I heard right? Because rumors
go everywhere but the one here on Bill Allan, I
can't see why they can't be open every two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
I suppose there's a couple of different reasons. Is not
only me, I'm sure it's not only you, But I
mean there's probably a couple of reasons why. One is
probably going to be the amount of food that they
actually have to give out, and two whether or not
they have volunteers to keep it open as frequently as
some people would like. I guess those are two of

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the reasons.

Speaker 13 (01:26:12):
Right, we only because here and now we only get
it gives her there once a month, okay, right in
the mirror of every month, right. I can't see why
they can't give it a twice a week because I
know it's there, right, because I'm after seeing it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Yeah, And I'm not very familiar with the food bank
operations on Bell Island, and I suppose we can simply
ask them as to why the why the worlds are
the way they are.

Speaker 13 (01:26:46):
I can try that much for you, Kenny, Well, I
they to see the pupil and Bill Alan, right, Colleen,
and uh I agree with me, right, because people got
children here running around right during five or six years old?
You don't know if there has something or not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
You don't know if they have what.

Speaker 13 (01:27:11):
They if they have eaten or not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Oh okay, yeah, which sad steading first, Yeah, I'll get
some information for you, just so I have a better
understanding of how they operate and why they have the
rules of the way they are. And I'm pretty sure
here in town it's once a week visit and I've
been told that many times. And I don't even know
if every food bank operates under the same rules, so

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to speak.

Speaker 13 (01:27:41):
And I'm understand I gotta bring it up. I'm trying
to get my host store under grant. I'm actmail in
two applications. I still never heard from them. I've got
two story health here. Uh it's all the upstairs is

(01:28:05):
brown new no curb, but or not only two dress
two dressers and a stereo upstairs there. I got my
living room fully furnished, but I got get a hot
water hang and walker whatever, right, and I gotta get

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the kitchen done.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
So you're talking about applying to the home modification the
home renovation fund as part of the seniors benefits.

Speaker 13 (01:28:38):
Yep, okay, right, and uh, I'm after mailing in two applications.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
How long ago did you apply?

Speaker 13 (01:28:49):
Over six weeks ago?

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Yeah, it's probably going to take every bit of that
before there's a review and a result of your application.
Last time we checked, the turnaround was around eight weeks.
So hopefully you'll get an answer sooner than later.

Speaker 13 (01:29:04):
Now, I know the way these people work, right, they
rather keep the money further help and the person do
without it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Well, hopefully that's not the case. I do know people
who have actually benefited from the four hundred dollars and
for home modification or home renovation. So some money is
absolutely flowing, and hopefully it flows your way if you're
eligible to hope you get the cash.

Speaker 6 (01:29:34):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:29:35):
I only need the downstairs done. I need doo doors, Uh,
take the take the kitchen stick out of it and
put a new one there, right, and I wind up

(01:29:58):
washing and dryer somewhere all right, Yeah, I don't I
need to get a electrician in to check my panel box.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Yeah. I don't know if things like laundry set is
included in those programs, but things like trying to make
your home bit more energy efficient and for basic repairs,
there's money there for that that much.

Speaker 6 (01:30:22):
I do know.

Speaker 13 (01:30:24):
Well, I know if you will keep port adgregating washers
and drivers out theme.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Yeah, I don't know if it's from that program. There's
probably some help out there on that front, and I'm
not so sure it's in the home renovation program money.
But in so far as the food bank goes, Kenny,
I will find out from the people who operate the
food bank on Bell Island exactly why the schedule is
the way it is. That much I can definitely do
for you, and let me know about your application for
some renovation money. I love you, Thank you, Thanks, Kenny,

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all the best. All right, so Connie's on three once
to respond to Kenny. Let's go to line three. Connie
are on the air.

Speaker 17 (01:30:57):
Oh hi, Patty. I have a very very very good
friend who works the food bank and picks up food
every day and he uses his own truck and he's
wonderful man. But food bank is once a month and
they give out every week. But you have to be

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signed up and you're only allowed to have the food
bank once a month, and you have to be registered,
so like you can't go from one food bank to
another food bank. You're registered with a food bank and
they give out is once a month.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Yeah, and for folks that need, that doesn't sound like
a very frequent opportunity to get some help with the
food bank. But I'm guessing the reasons are the reasons
I offer to Kenny is.

Speaker 8 (01:31:48):
The amount of food the need.

Speaker 17 (01:31:50):
The need is so bad, Yeah, the need is so bad.
But you know, they give out a lot of food.
They do give out a lot of food. But I
can guarantee you that they give out per person is
once a month, so yes, and that's and that's yeah,

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it's once a month.

Speaker 8 (01:32:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:32:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:32:13):
So I just want to let you know because you know,
I know this person very very well. He's picking up
food from places every day, so he's and they give
out on a certain day, one day of the week,
and you know, it's different people every week. But you're
only you're registered for a food bag and you're only

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allowed to have food once a month.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Pre sad state of affairs. But I appreciate the uh,
the information.

Speaker 11 (01:32:42):
Connie, thank you, Okay, thank you very much.

Speaker 17 (01:32:45):
Patty, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Bye bye, Okay, all right, let's get to the break.
Let me come back. Russell's in the queue. He's a
gentleman we were speaking with yesterday morning. When we had
the technical difficulty. So we'll pick up a conversation with
Russell right after this and then plenty of time for you.
Welcome back to the show. As directed by mister Williams.
I won to line number four, saying one to the
executive director. It's the new flank Credit Counseling Services of

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newfoulanda Labrador. That's Lauren Howell. Lauren, you're on the air.

Speaker 18 (01:33:12):
Hi, Patty, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Happy to do it.

Speaker 18 (01:33:15):
I'm just calling in, Yes, thank you, just calling in.
I think it's a little timely. It's financial literacy months
and Christmas is coming and a lot of people are
coming to us and saying that they had no idea
we had to existed. You know, they wish that they
knew about us a lot sooner. So I'm just here
to talk a little bit about credit counseling and what
we do and how we can help people.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Let's do it, so, yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 17 (01:33:39):
So.

Speaker 18 (01:33:40):
Credit Counseling Services of Newfoundland and Labrador is a nonprofit
organization and we've been helping people across the province of
Newfoundland and Labrador for over forty years. So most of
that work was done by al Antelo, who Patty you
probably know very well. And I've been the executive director
for a couple of years and before that I was

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a credit counselor since twenty fifteen, so you might be
a listener to here that knows me. So we're local.
We're the only non not for profit credit counseling agency
that just focuses on Newsmland and Labrador. We're very community based.
Our goal is very simple. We're here to help people.
We want to help people take control of their finances,

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especially in these difficult times when it feels like we
have no control. We try to help people reduce financial stress.
Financial stress is huge on people right now. It's weighing
so heavily on people, affecting relationships, affecting marriages. It's a
really tough time and we just want to help people
build some stability in their financial life.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
I wonder inside we do.

Speaker 18 (01:34:48):
No you if you want to ask you a question,
you can sure.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
I just wonder how the approach to financial literacy has
also changed over the years, because when we first learned
about it and then this long time ago, it wasn't
just about b budgeting. Because that's what I think people
here when they hear financial literacy is budgeting, but it
also used to come with a lot of issues regarding savings,
rainy days, how to manage your debt, investing, when for

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so many people, saving for a rainy day or investing
or being able to adequately manage their debt is not
really available to them because they are pinching. So have
we changed the way we even approach financial literacy because
it used to be all those things now seems more
like budgeting.

Speaker 18 (01:35:32):
Yeah, definitely, because you know, right now the big focus
is on debt patty because people don't have enough money
to get from payday to the next. So they're getting paid,
they're paying all their bills. Maybe there's a little bit
of money left over, they'll use that up. And then
they're using credit cards, they're using lines of credit, they're
using houses as an ATM. People are getting paiday loans

(01:35:54):
hand over fist and you know, you borrow a thousand,
you pay back three thousand, So how do you get
out of that cycle? So a lot of our financial
literacy right now is focused on debt canceling, so helping
people figure out what their options are. It's not just bankruptcy.
You know, bankruptcy is great, it's a good option. It
can be you know, the light at the end of
the tunnel that people need the fresh start. But there

(01:36:17):
are options outside of that, and people just don't know.
They go to their bank, they ask for help, they're
told no, and they don't know where to turn. So
credit cancling.

Speaker 6 (01:36:26):
We do offer a.

Speaker 18 (01:36:26):
Program here too as well, just to spin off what
we're talking about. It's called a debt consolidation program. So
you can consolidate your unsecured debt at usually zero percent
or low low, low interest for sixty months and pay
it off. So unsecured debt is things like credit cards, loans,
things that aren't attached to an asset, so like you

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can't do your mortgage or your car loan. But it's
a really helpful program because a lot of Canadians are carrying,
like the average client we see has about forty thousand
in unsecured debt and they're paying eight nine, eight or
nine high. There're dollars a month towards it and it's
just a huge bill. So that is a program that
we offer, and you're right, the financial literacy budgeting is

(01:37:08):
a piece of it. Building your credit, understanding your credit score.
A lot of people that can be a barrier not
having a good enough credit score, and just understanding how
the banking system works, how to get what they need,
what to ask for, how to communicate with their service providers,
their banks. So yeah, right now, I mean, people are

(01:37:29):
dealing with so much. It's not just the cost of living,
it's all the other stuff too, job loss, illness, divorce.
So we're trying to help people in all different types
of situations, and I think our services just really matter
right now because the cost of living has been climbing, climbing, climbing.
It's not getting any better, and I heard you mentioned

(01:37:49):
earlier it doesn't really look like it's going to get
a lot better anytime soon, and that's a sad reality.
So grocery bills, housing, heating, interest rates them down a
little bit, but it's still not enough for people to
afford to pay down their debt. So more and more
people are feeling overwhelmed. It's not just people in the
lower income, it's people making seventy eighty ninety thousand dollars

(01:38:12):
a year. It's two income households, it's young families, it's
seniors who saved all their lives, paid off their home,
but they don't have enough money coming in for the
cost of living. So we're dealing with people. We're dealing
with students, young families, older families, seniors, new Canadians, you
name it. So I think our services really matter and

(01:38:34):
it's important that people know that we're here. We're here
to help, we really care and our services are free,
so there's no barrier. You don't have to move a
certain income or you don't have to be unemployed. Anyone
can use their services as long as you're from Newstland, Labrador.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Yeah, I mean interest rates. People don't like this, but
interest rates for too long, For too long. I mean
the average household death here in Canada when you back
out a mortgage is for every dollar coming in on
average Canadians paying out a dollar eighty three to manage
their debt. I mean that's unsustainable.

Speaker 18 (01:39:07):
A dollar one is it a dollar eighty three? Now,
oh my goodness, it was a dollar eighty one, But
isn't that wild?

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
It is one dollar.

Speaker 18 (01:39:16):
Paint out a dollar eighty three, And that's that's how
people are surviving right now. Like you see people with
houses and two cards. They don't own them, right, they
have finance, there's finances. So if we didn't have access
to credit, people wouldn't have all the things that they
have right now. That's how people are getting bught. That's
how Christmas is happening this year is credit cards and loans.

Speaker 7 (01:39:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:39:37):
World money.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
Yeah, there's lots of people with a lot of great
stuff and toys and big homes and expensive cars who are,
believe it or not, a paycheck away from losing some
of it. And you can bet your bottom dollar that's true. Yes,
in the world of death consolidation, who's buying up the
debt credit, who's backstopping the debt? Who's buying the debt?

Speaker 18 (01:40:00):
I don't know what you mean, hetty.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
So if I have forty thousand dollars that I owe
a nonsecure debt and I get a consolidated down and
I lower my monthly bill, I lower my interest rate,
at some point the people who you owe those monies too,
they aren't doing you any favors out of the goodness
of their heart. There's a shift in how the debt
is managed and who maybe holds the debt. So how
does it actually work at Council, credit counselor.

Speaker 18 (01:40:24):
So here at credit counseling you actually pay your debt
in full. So like if you owe forty thousand dollars
between Canadian Entire Scotia Bank, TV Money Merit, you pay
all your debt in full. It's just that the interest
stops on a go forward basis, so there is no
settlement piece to it. That's what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Okay, fair enough.

Speaker 18 (01:40:43):
We're not a debt consolidation company. People need to be
very careful about those debt consolidation companies because there's not
a lot of protection for the consumer. If you go
to one of those private debt consolidation companies and they
tell you we're going to settle your forty thousand dollars
debt for twenty really question it because we have seen
people were that twenty thousand dollars. A year later, there's

(01:41:03):
somebody added the blue from some random phone number, some
random collection agencies calling you saying that we're here to
collect that ten thousand dollars that you thought was written off.
We do not recommend settlements. Always always go to reputable
company like Credit Counseling Services in Newfoundland or a legitimate license,

(01:41:24):
insolvency trustee.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Of which there are some good reputable ones here. Yeah,
last one before I let you go.

Speaker 18 (01:41:31):
That's lovely name and Ian Penny. Always support local, Always
go somewhere trusted. Do your research before you do any
kind of debt consolidation. And if you're questioning a company,
give us a call. We'll let you know if they're
legit or not.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Yeah, I mean, if it sounds too good to be true,
it probably is. Last one. The financial world changes very
very quickly. So it's the concept of you know, teaching
financial literacy in high school. But that's just the starting point.
You know, as we age, approach on different stages of life,
getting married, having children, put them in the new university,
preparing for our senior years. What about the concept of

(01:42:09):
lifelong learning it whether be through podcasts or interaction with
your banker or people like yourself, Because things change, and
before you know it, the way your money is managed
has changed, the way your debt is changes, the way
you can invest changes. So talk about a bit of
lifelong learning to make sure you're on top of your finances.

Speaker 18 (01:42:27):
Yeah, I think it's so important. People think they have
it all figured out, you know, they know what they're doing.
But that's not always the case. Like you said, things
they're always changing. It's good to keep on top of
it talking to your bank. I always reference the Financial
Consumer Agency of Canada website. It's a great website. You know,
it reads at like a grade six level, so it's
very easy to understand. There's all sorts of topics there

(01:42:50):
about every stage of life, so having a baby, getting married,
buying your first car, getting your first credit cards, retiring,
the kids, leave the house, empty, nests, Everything you can
think of is there. So that's a great website that
I use a lot, and I tell a lot of
my clients to use.

Speaker 16 (01:43:06):
But it's never too late.

Speaker 18 (01:43:07):
There's tons of pre webinars. We do webinars here at
Credit Counseling Services. It's never it's never a bad idea
to sit and take an hour and learn a little
bit about what's going on and have those regular meetings
with your bank or your investment company. You know, they
always reach out once a year and people are like, oh,
I don't want to go to that, I don't care
what's happening, or I'll look at that another time. Go

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take the meeting, see what's going on, pay attention to
your investments.

Speaker 11 (01:43:32):
Keep on top of it.

Speaker 18 (01:43:34):
People think it's really hard, complicated stuff, but if you
understand the basics, it's really not, and then you can
build from that. Yeah, it's never too late, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
Yeah, and don't take my advice. But don't be so
quick to be so risk averse either. There's lots of
middle of the road type of opportunities out there for
those who are really worried. And there's lots of different
agencies that backstop money too, whether it's money in the bank,
but the cd I s or others. So you know,
have a real comprehensive conversation with someone who's trying to
help you manage your money and or your debt. Lord,

(01:44:04):
appreciate your time this morning, Thanks for thanks for calling.

Speaker 18 (01:44:08):
Thank you, Patty Pick here you too.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Bye bye. Lord Howell, executive director at the new Foundland
Credit Counseling of Hell. Yeah, let's take a break. You
stay right there. Russellill talk about his divorce finances. Then
we're going to speak with you. Don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
The Tim Power Show showing the conversation weekday afternoons at
four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
Welcome back, Let's go line number two, Russell, you're on
the air.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
It to you deck.

Speaker 8 (01:44:34):
The last caller was excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Absolutely, I'm going through this just divorce.

Speaker 8 (01:44:41):
What my problem is that I went to UH once
we got the divorce papers finalized, I went to the
bank and they flatly turned me down my request four
one hundred and sixty thousand dollars. Now we just to say,
I'll just let me read through what you were taking
because one of the things that was really interested was

(01:45:03):
that lady with a patient and Caribnair and the failure
for him to get the treatment that he needs. Because
I got family and friends going through the exact same
thing and they may end up, like Helpen, the system
failure so badly.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
So I don't know the ins and outs of your
request one hundred and sixty thousand dollars at the bank.
But is there some sort of issue with the finalizing
of the divorce settlement?

Speaker 8 (01:45:35):
No, that's that's finalized. This is a portion of the
this is what I let's say. Just let me go
through this, Patty. I was wondering what like the lack
of treatment or where nurses, like the ability to get nurses,
did that come from the travel nurses where all these

(01:45:58):
ambasis and stuff were.

Speaker 13 (01:46:02):
Came in.

Speaker 8 (01:46:03):
It came into just let me start, how much brought
up your panty?

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (01:46:13):
But so in Conception Bay, the hospital is in carbon
air and these travel nurses came on board, and like
it's really blatantly noticeable to the public because there's like
hundreds of these little smaller than a right, So these

(01:46:36):
are what do you call it, amless nurses are in
smaller UH and UH ambulences. H. I was thinking that
the government could document how many vehicles there there are,
how many people are in them, and obviously the drivers

(01:46:57):
will probably been new warres uh UH. I believe you
will see where the nurses and and the have gone,
the costs of They could also evaluate the cost of
operation UH also and and evaluate the total costs of

(01:47:19):
evaporation of each UH, each small ambulance.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
I'm pretty sure those numbers are available, especially since they've
all been amalgamated under the public system.

Speaker 8 (01:47:31):
Now, well that that'll be interesting, right, because it seems
to be that UH travel buses seems to be something
that's been brought up on on on on your show.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
What's travel buses?

Speaker 8 (01:47:46):
Travel nurses?

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Travel?

Speaker 8 (01:47:49):
Yeah, traveler ambulances, I should call them rick but there
they haven't got the full fledged pigs what do they
call rectangular ambulance that we're all used to before? What
do you started here? And there must be like fifty
year and exception by north, So that means all the
nurses in in the in the hospital and long term care,

(01:48:14):
a lot of them may have just went with somethingwhere
together a nine to five job or eight to five
and then then the then direct angler abalances that we're
dealing with deal with all light.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
Yeah, I mean, there's no problem to get the accurate
count of the number of adbalances, number of people working
on the ablances, because there's not every person on an
abalance has the exact same background, training and accreditation. But
I can get those numbers. I can get travel agencys
nurse numbers too.

Speaker 13 (01:48:46):
Well.

Speaker 8 (01:48:47):
I'm not really worried about the just teating. It's a
major issue in terms of.

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
The cure that you're getting.

Speaker 8 (01:48:56):
Uh in carabonair if all those people chose to get
on the nine to five, say a job instead of.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
Mony for hours today, Okay, I can get those numbers.
They're relatively easily accessible. Yeah, yeah, no problem, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:49:12):
Yeah, and then, Denn, I'd like to talk about, say,
to divorce, what implications static?

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
If we could do it quickly?

Speaker 11 (01:49:21):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (01:49:22):
Can I call in tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
Not Tomorrow's same for next week?

Speaker 8 (01:49:26):
Oh yeah, next week?

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
Okay, okay, let's do that.

Speaker 8 (01:49:29):
Yeah yeah, I was, I was. I really What was
the name name of that previous.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
Caller, Lauren Howell at the Credit Counseling Services.

Speaker 8 (01:49:41):
Okay, thank you sir, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
All the best, Bye bye. Will I get another one
in here, Dave before we get to the break, maybe
get the food bank regulations. Yeah, let's do that. Let's
go to London. One sacnt want to Roady Singleton with
a Maya's house. He's the chair at a mas house. Morning,
Rudy are on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
Good morning, Patty and Ill. How are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Not too bad at all? How about you?

Speaker 7 (01:50:02):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
Good Patie. I heard a lady or a gentleman calling
in from bell Island and I just want to offer
some clarification on eligibility to get the food at the
food banks.

Speaker 8 (01:50:14):
Number one.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
Food number one. The food banks are not meant to
be a sole source of food. They're meant to bridge
a gap in the arrival of income to purchase food
for the family. So we give a full hamper every
twenty eight days, and then if people present within that period,

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say within two weeks of the first of the full hamper,
they can get an emergency which is meant to hold
them over for a couple of days and then hopefully
they'll get their income and they can replenish their own
their own groceries.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Okay, I mean it's you know, conceptually speaking for people
not to have full reliance on food banks was always
the way, but those issues and the reality life for
some of the individuals has also changed. At the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
Seddie, the lady who is on there from the credit counseling,
she mentioned so many scenarios that are so true of us.
I mean, we have people coming where the two spouses
are working and they have a couple of children and
they just can't make a go of it. And we're
getting a lot of larger families coming to us, and

(01:51:25):
we're getting people coming pat of it. We operate on
a premise of a dignity to the people show up
at our door, and we're getting people who come and
and they're just saying to us, you know, I can't
believe I'm doing this. And we treat them with the
utmost dignity because their self esteem has already been assaulted.

(01:51:45):
But in terms of eligibility and Patty, the other thing
is too. Somebody mentioned we're calling into several food banks.
We call into community food sharing and they can tell
us where a person obtained food within the last month,
whether they went to Salvation Army or Bridges to Hope
or any other food bank.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Yeah, the face of the clientele has obviously changed and
that is not a good thing. Dy anything else before
I take my final.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
Break in the morning, No, Patty just said, I want
to thank you for the opportunities to afford us to
get what we deemed to be important messages out to
our pet.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
We're happy to help.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
We show all the best. Patty, have a good day, you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Too, Rudy, take care. Bye bye, Rudy singled in the
chair at a mass house. Let's get a final break
in the morning, took away. Welcome back to the show.
Let's go to line number two. Paul, you're on the air.
Good morning, Patty, Good morning.

Speaker 12 (01:52:40):
I was gonna call you a strutler, but I think
I held out on it. Want to call you, Patty,
to remember in to stay a couple of days ago,
and I know you noticed it has full of everybody
else in the city. The fast food restaurants are all open.
I got a problem with that, Patty. I don't think
that's been very respectful to the fallen soldiers. I really don't.

(01:53:03):
And a couple of years ago I called down to
Well the one on McDonald's on top of the road.
I lived next door. I wasn't being saucer anying. I
just wanted to speak to the manager in Jarede and
asked him why they wrote and I rememberance day and
his reply was, well, you got a problem with that.
Call the manager.

Speaker 8 (01:53:20):
That's what he told me.

Speaker 12 (01:53:21):
You got a problem with that the phone head office.
So that's what I did. And at the time, the
Bennett group of companies owned this particular restaurant chain. And
I can't remember the man's name now, but he sent
me three coupons Patty for Big Matt Combos. I never
asked for him, but I guess that's he's his way

(01:53:41):
of apologizing for what that man had said to me.
He told me that he had had a word with
him as well, but that was rather rude in the meantime,
But I guess I'm sure you notice that, Patty, And
I honestly don't know why the government allows it, because
what's so special about McDonald's or any other restaurant when
everybody else got a close down and show respect for,

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you know, the Remembrance Day. Just to me, there's no
issues for it. I know it's not a top priority
with the government, but maybe when they have a slow
day they should change that rule.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Agree with that, Beatty, Yeah, I don't know why sugar
should not be open like when the gas station's open.
I get that. I mean there's there's many people who
need gas on Remembered Day or Christmas Day or what
have you. Fast food it's an interesting case study, you know,
are there people that rely on a fast food restaurant. Well,
I don't know to the extent with which they need

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to have it open on the eleventh of November, but
I hadn't really given it a whole lot. It's not
like even like shoppers with shoppers open on Remembers stay
because that seems to be open all the time, regardless
of the holiday.

Speaker 12 (01:54:44):
When you got to farmacy, you can get away with
it today.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
Absolutely, but I think there's.

Speaker 12 (01:54:52):
But I mean that was I took that pretty bad.
You know, you're got a problem with that, buddy, if
only office, right, But that was kind of rude in
the meantime. But I don't chop down there more. I
give it up, you know. But I mean I shouldn't
just pick on name because it's probably all of them, Paddy, Burger, King,
wendyed you name it. It just for the sake of
one day to remember, you know, it's an important day.
You know, my dad was in Vietnam, well Vietnam, but

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he was in the in the army for twenty years,
so I mean it's in.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
The blood, right absolutely. And I hadn't really given much
stock to the fast food issue regarding a Remembers Day
or some other holidays where they're also remained open. Yeah,
fair enough, and regardless of whether or not they should
or should not be open for folks who are you know,
answering phones at one of these outlets, even if you
get a stock message from your manager or the owners,

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so that you can, you know, respond respectfully as opposed
to shrugger shoulders and you know, here's a quarter call.
Some new cares.

Speaker 12 (01:55:50):
That's about it too. Yeah, I just told you that.
My two cents, my buddy, I'll let you go.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
Strutter ay. Thanks for all all the best little inside
baseball nickname and there god line three. Ralph here on
the air.

Speaker 19 (01:56:03):
Good morning, Patty is Ralph strictly from Saint bride as
calling Hi Ralph either i'd like first twesday thanked to
mister the wishus for fighting for our clean water and
the can New council. Now that's in where we that part.
We got that hurdle just about over with. But now
we find out that the two of the Artisian wells

(01:56:24):
as on fire. For the property, we might have to
either lease the wells or buy the property from the
existing mayor and his brother because we don't have access
to two of the wells that we're put in.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
So that's the update. It has to make a purchase
from municipal leaders for directify the issue. Is that what
I'm hearing?

Speaker 19 (01:56:48):
Well, Yeah, because the ex mayor it was the one
well ended up on his property and the other one
end up on his brother's property. So these two wells
are produced in about twenty five to thirty gals of
minutes and but we we had don't have access to
their property. So once Steve's wells if they ever wanted

(01:57:11):
to go online, we found out. I got a call
yesterday's saying that they're they're going to have to either
buy the property from the existing mayor ex mayor or
or and and he's brought her in order for us
to have.

Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
Use of them.

Speaker 19 (01:57:27):
Remember I told you a while back, I'll be still
having this conversation with you in two years from now.
Our counselors working with they had someone out looking at it. They're,
you know, they're doing their best, but every time they
go over one hurdle, there's another one in front of
them because the way the way things were set up
from the existing mayor, like it's such a screw up.

(01:57:52):
Like and all we have all new road thanks to
Sherry Gamblin. We have now all the pipes around the
up the side of our waterline. So decide that they're
going to go ahead with those they got to cut
up our road. It's like there wasn't things weren't really
thought out. I don't know, like and then the one

(01:58:13):
up the road for me, there was a truck, a
couple of truckloads to ten by ten pressure treated planks
sitting on that for a couple of years, and I
know what pressure treat some of the ingredients and pressure
treated lumber, which one of them is arsnik and it
keeps the rodents away and the mugs from eating it.

(01:58:37):
So and all the rain's been out in the open,
so that's been leaked, and there's only about twenty feet
from where the whale is dug. So even if we
do get access to them, are they going to be usable?

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
That's a fair question. I can't picture them in my
mind's eye, the logistics on the ground there. But it's
not an idea a lout come when it has to
be a private sector purchase from municipal leaders to get
to the bottom of it. Ralph, anything else I want
to say this morning, because I'm right up against the clock.

Speaker 19 (01:59:09):
Okay, thank you very much, and I'll be chatting with
some other time.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
I look forward to it. Thank you, bye, Ralph. We
are very quickly at the time. Otto you call them
now again tomorrow will have this conversation, because don't I
want to give you enough time to make your point.
You an interesting point made by an emailer regarding what
is what is or what is not open in the
city or in the province on holidays like a Remembrance Day.

(01:59:33):
It's interesting to point out that even in Outawa it's
not a holiday. You know, this province is pretty unique
in how we handle Rememberance Day in Autawa business as usual.
Nobody bats an eye, but it's a fair concern or
question to be asked about what kind of shops should
or could be open on days a like Rememberance Day.
All right, final checking out the Twitter box for anybody

(01:59:54):
trying to send me direct messages. I guess overnight the
whole process for direct messages on Twitter change. It's some
sort of chats thing now that I got to sign
up for and add a new pass code and stuff.
Well I haven't done it so or haven't done it yet.
So if you've sent me a direct message there today
and think of ignoring yet, no, I just simply can't
see them yet. But I will rectify that in the
near future. All Right, good show today, big thanks to

(02:00:15):
all hands. We will indeed pick up this conversation again
for one morning right here on VOCM and big landfm's
Open Line on behalf of the producer David Williams. I'm
your host Patty Daily. You have yourself a safe, fun,
happy day. We'll talk in the morning. Bye bye