Thursday Nov 20th

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Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
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which is eighty six twenty six. So the lists of
first time candidates to be potentially elected into coopersound the
Major League Baseball Hall. I guess the Baseball Hall of
Fame includes the Blue Jay en canasion still remains with
the team as some sort of advisor or bench coach
or whatever he actually is. As a show of a

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kind of chance, he has to be in the Hall
of Fame a career to sixty hitter. He's got eighteen
hundred plus hits scored over one thousand wrongs, got twelve
hundred and sixty one RBI. Don't know if that gets
it done, but end Clenarsion is eligible to be voted for.
Oh and for folks who are members of the O'Donnell
High School community or in the deaf sports community, does

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anyone have an update on how Fallon McLaughlin is doing
at the Deaf Olympics in Tokyo Right now, they've already
played two games. I think they've played Cambodia and Powerhouse Brazil.
I believe they play Ukraine today. It's been really tricky
for me to try to find some results. So once again,
Fallon McLoughlin is a O'Donnell High School student. She's the
youngest member of Team Canada at the Deaf Olympics, and

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I'd be just curious as how she and Team Canada
are making up. If you know, please let me know.
All right, here comes the winter. Well in many parts
of the problence. Winter is already here at full force
twenty four to seven snow clearing. So this was a
hotly anticipated announcement coming from Transportation Minister Barry Petton. So
they're talking about costs associated to improve twenty four seven

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snow clearing, some three million dollars. Before we get into
what was announced is you know, it was always highly
questionable when the twenty four to seven snow clearing was
taken away in the first place. The savings were what
in and around two million dollars, which is not a
whole lot when you're talking about the safety the motoroing public. Okay,
I'm getting tons of reaction to it. So there's some

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fourteen routes that will be covered twenty four to seven ice,
ice control and snow clearing. Questions will be asked more
so about what's not included. Now it's probably a very
good step forward in the right direction. But for folks
who have been left out of this particular announcement, they
have been flooded by email inbox and fair enough and
rich fully sold. So Baber Peninsula, Buram Peninsula, plenty parts

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of central the translebat Or Highway not mentioned whatsoever, and again, Look,
I know it was going to be highly unlikely that
every single route on every single highway would have been
part of this announcement. But the routes the fourteen that
are covered good news. Those that are not are asking
questions and that's just the way the ball rolls. Right.
In addition to that, for this to come to pass

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is going to require the hirings of fifty additional operators.
That's going to be pretty tricky. Now, Fingers crossed the
provnce is able to pull it off because I think
we can all share the same sentiment regarding snow clearing,
regardless of who you vote for, is to be great
if the roads were clear, if when we need to
be out there at nighttime, early mornings, whatever the case
may be. In so far as hiring fifty additional operators,

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you know, between the competition and the private sector and
the way to pay afforded to these operators at the
provincial government level, there's going to be a pretty tough
task ahead to satisfy this. Now, again, for some it's
to pooh pooh everything one prior to or another does.
And I do think this is a positive step in
the right direction, but it's still come up. For many

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residents who have taken the time to email me, it
comes up short of what they were hoping for, maybe
not what they were expecting, but what they were hoping for.
So the hiring is going to be particularly tricky, but
fingers crossed it can figure it out, because it's going
to be whether it's competition based on compensation. It's also
the concept of being seasonal work. You know, for people
out there or are able to latch onto a company

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or a municipal government or a provincial government for a secure, permanent,
year round employment. That of course obviously would be much
more attractive than seasonal work, unless they've already got something
lined up for summer months with their skills. But anyway
you want to take it on, regardless of it, say
an applause of the announcement and or wondering where your community,
your region is. In addition to that, look when people

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are saying that some of these routes already had twenty
four to seven snow clearing, I'm not so sure that's
one hundred percent accurate. There may indeed have been an
on call system twenty four to seven, and for all
of the depots, the possibility when first responders are called
to dispatch an operator. But anyway, it's certainly popular topic
in my email inbox. And speaking of trades skills Canada,

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New Flannel Labrador this weekend holds their annual Intermediate Challenge.
It's at the College of the North Atlantic right there
in the Princeville of Drive, Okay. So for intermediate students
in grade seven through nine. This might be an interesting
opportunity for parents and children or youth and grade seventh
through nine. So there's a competition, is a bunch of employability,
trades and technology challenges and interestingly there's also once again

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a trya trades booth, so they're opening the event to
the public. It runs from ten am to two pm.
And here's some of the opportunities for demos and chats
with reps from Trades, NL Tech, NL edge Ys, Environmental
Eco and next cyber Titan that's Coding Operation, the Marine Institute,
Workplace Safety, Electrical Plumbing and the CNA Campus and CNA

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School of Sustainability. Also opportunity for some hands on and
demos in welding. It might be interesting for some of
you listening to the program this morning. I want to
see floating out of the corner of my eye asking
me to read out the roots, the fourteen roots that
are covered. I guess we can get to that if
we get a call on the snow clearing business. All right,
and snow clearing and traffic. If you've ever been in

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and out of Paradise in the early morning commute or
the rush hour in the evening, it is wild, it
is brutal. Paradise is growing, and growing is obviously a
good thing, but it comes with some significant concerns regarding infrastructure.
So while the subdivisions are planned and homes are being
built and families are moving in, what are the plans

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for residents of Paradise for infrastructure to make it a
little bit easier to get in and out of that growing,
lovely community. Again, if you've ever been involved in rush
hour in particular, it's madness, absolute madness. So that's a
topic I was asked to bring up and happy to
do it. One more on the traffic front, what were
the results of the summertime speed camera program? Because the

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last go around last year when it was a pilot
in just Mount Pearl and it was about problem Paradise
from Ount per CBS anyway, there was tens of thousands
of warnings issued this year, there was going to be
tickets issued. So I wonder how many tickets were issued
and to what monetary value associated with those tickets. I'd
be happy to get an update if you have one,
all right. So yesterday a second company was fined as

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a result of the flash fire explosion at the Brea
facility of course used to be no come by chance
and a man is dead, Sean Peddle, several others injured.
So this company called Laurenville Mechanical Contractors, there was a
joint sentencing to Judge Mark Pike. The liabilities financially fifty
four thousand dollars fifty four five hundred dollars. All right,

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it really does feel pretty cold that when a life
is lost and the injuries are suffered and companies plead
guilty to not providing a safe workplace, that the result
is monetary damage. Is now there is an ongoing criminal
investigation by the AIRCNP status unknown. And I'll put this
out there one more time for your sideration where we
talk about the need to provide a safe workplace for

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employees inside the Department of OHS occupational Health and safety.
Their own internal audit pointed out some very serious systemic issues,
so they were missing deadlines on a ton of the
workplace incidents that needed to be investigated. There's a two
year window for them to conclude an investigation. We really
need to know what's going on there, because like all

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of us, you get up, you go to work, you
wanted to have a safe environment to conduct your activities
and get home safe in the evening. So let's see
if there's an update on that front. One of the
pleasures made on the campaign trail, and a good one
but obviously a tricky one, is a producer of alliance
on Travel Nurses. Then I read a story about an
LPN who left the public sector, is now a travel

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nurse working for the government to Nunavut and goes out
to talk about what's required to keep nurses, whether it
be registered nurses, licensed practical nurses, nurse practitioners in the
public system, compensate obviously flexibility and respect. Flexibility is going
to be hard to achieve with the current staffing levels,
and they nurses to a man to a woman, will

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tell you that that is one of their key concerns.
But it's the respect issue. And if you're someone who
works in one of those disciplines and revet coffee or
someone working at the umbrella organizations for LPNs or nurse
practitioners licensed practical nurses, is in what form does respect come?
And in what form is respect currently not in place

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or not felt or perceived on the job. Because compensational flexibility,
that can be something addressed with obviously dollars and or policy.
But I suppose policies can have an impact on respect.
But where is that loss? I'm sure it's absolutely true,
but for someone to spell it out with lived experience
as one of the aforementioned disciplines, it'd be good to

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have you on to speak to that a little more
for us this morning. All right, another story in the
news about no fault of victtions hugely problematic the way
the legislation is currently written. Landlords have the opportunity to
evict you with the appropriate ninety day notice, but it
doesn't make it any easier, especially when we're talking with
people living in subsidized housing. The affordability target is already

(10:16):
out of reach for so many, so even if you are,
rent is taken directly out of your income support and
then you have to rely on other resources and food
banks to keep your head above water. Then no fault
of victions is a growing concern to that end. For
some reason, don't want to talk about it. We'll complain
about how rent has gotten away from so many. But

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the concept of rent control apparently is sacrisanct for some reason,
and I don't understand it. It can be applied and
it can't be fair to landlords. We have to understand
that input expenses continue to go up even though interest
rates have stabilized. But if they can make it work
in Pei, in Quebec and Ontario and Manitoba and British Columbia,

(10:57):
it's worthwhile conversation here. And yes, it can be a
meaningful opportunity and a predictable opportunity for landlords year over
year as to what increase they are allowed to impose.
It gives some certainty to the rent doers. So I
really think we'll do a rent control conversation, whether or
not it eventually leads to actual rent control being imposed.

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Like in Nova Scotia they did it, but it expires
at the end of this year, so I wonder how
that exercise has worked for them. It's easy to understand
how it can be attractive in the affordability window, but
I wonder what it does to hamsterring the possibility for
developers to want to build rental units the whole country
and every province. It got away from us. Building rentals

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used to be one of the key key decisions being
made in the housing market, and we simply got away
from it, and even just the concept of what housing
means as opposed to a roof over your head, a
place to live and to raise your family. It's now
simply the largest piece of equity that most of us
would own, and we use housing starts as a measure
of GDP as opposed to how many people are housed,

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how many people are on housed, and if you want
to talk about it, you can do. Oh when a
similar venge just popped my head, is it would be
nice to have an update once again on the operations
at the Comfort in one oh six Horizons, I believe
they call it these days, so we know there was
plenty of conversation about the government's decision to simply lease
the building as opposed to buy. The building is costing

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tens of millions of dollars over the course of the lease.
So how successful has it been in so far as
transitioning residents out into more stable housing, and what type
of supports are required into the future for anyone who
has been transitioned out, how many people are living there,
how many people living in the Heights neighborhood have seen
a positive change in so far as what was initial

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concerns regarding to public safety and for crime, petty or
otherwise being committed in that region. And then of course
the Airport Heights area and the disconnect between some of
the other services that many residents will need, which are
primarily downtown, was obviously part of the problem. But you
want to take it on, let's please do indeed do
it Erry a couple quick ones. We've heard the Premier

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talk about conversation with the Prime Minister regarding the Electric
Fisheries Fund which is going to be exhausted of funds
come March. That's one thing. And for inshore harvesters with
a crab license exactly what's going on here. So I'm
trying to follow along as best possible about this issue
because there's a lot of money sitting in bank accounts
that is supposed to be paid out to the harvester

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by the Association of Seafood Producers and their members or
I guess by their members. So the panel that was
established accepted the ffaw's position. Back in April, it was
pretty clear their chair of the panel said on Friday
and stating only thirty pound bulk boxes are to be
used in the calculation of the settlement price. So now
apparently it's in the hands of the Department of Labor.

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I'm told that the agreement that was struck and the
panel signed off on is not binding, so it goes
to the Department of Labor, and I guess there's still
a and off here as to what's going on. The
annual rite of frustration in the fishery is mind boggling.
If we're going to go through the exercise of establishing panels,

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can we not bring it to an area where whatever's decided,
what the panel signs off on is binding and that
both sides, whether they like what the panel has decided
or not, it will indeed be reflected in moneys being
paid out in a predictable timeframe, which apparently does not happen,
And it didn't happen again this year. So if you're
a harvestter and or a member or apparently someone working
at the union level, we can talk about it and

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you can explain it a little clearer, all right, And
sticking with the wildlife, I never know what's going to
peak the interest of callers or potential callers and the listeners.
But oh boy, oh boy. When conversations were spurred eyed
yesterday about moose hunting licenses, specifically those who are disabled

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have applied for a license, have designated a hunter, and
the concern primarily was how close the person who's the
disabled applicant has to be to the hunter. So it's
within eyesight or eight hundred meters and it's only up
until the shot is fired. If the hunter has to
track the moose in to finalize the kill, then of
course the disabled does not have to follow into the bush. Now,

(15:18):
the reaction to that was overwhelming, and I think the
one question that's the most common is what difference does
it make where the disabled person is when the hunter
who's designated the name is on the license which has
to be presented upon being approached by a wild life officer.
Supposing you're on the quad or in the truck or
at home. What's the difference there? And I think that's

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a very fair question to be asked. The rationale has
not been explained to me as to why that makes
a difference. But that got a ton of feedback yesterday,
an absolute ton of it. All Right, hear a lot
about defense spending, and we'll talk about it a little
bit more, but we don't hear a whole lot of
talk about veterans.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
All right.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
So I've spoken about this issue in the past, and
it's the deal that was supposed to be struck between
Veterans Affairs, the Department of Defense and veterans living in
long term care in that program. It was supposed to
be that the rent would only be reflective of the
least cost option anywhere in the country, including the territories,

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and the lowest cost is indeed in the territories. But
that was not applied and understood at the Department of Defense,
and nothing done about it. When asked about it then
Prime Minister Trudeau said that his Minister of National Defense
will be looking into it. Minister of Veterans Affairs. Then
what they refer to as being buried in the most

(16:43):
recent budget is to retroactively exclude the territories from the formula,
and consequently the overcharges, which could be three four thousand
dollars to veterans of long term care, is going to
be moneys lost. It does seem pretty unfair if inside
the government apartments they knew that they weren't appropriately applying
the formula, were ignoring the territories, and now in a

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budget are going to retroactively exclude the territories from the calculation.
Boy oh boy, we can talk about, you know, the
gratitude to veterans and taking care of veterans even though
we know so many veterans are living, whether it be
homeless or with PTSD or whatever the case may be,
and the bureaucratic warfare that they have to go through

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to access services. But this seems patently unfair to me,
retroactively acting the formula that the government created and did
not appropriately apply. Man no man. And in the world
of defense spending, and that's an important one. I don't
mean the glass over because it is obviously very important
defense spending. Fighter jets. You know, the countries made some

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moves insofar as blending the Coastguard in the Department of Defense,
the aviation operations at Transport Canada blended into the Department
of Defense to bolster what is perceived spending on defense capability.
And then it's the fighter jet issue, all right. The
country spent a number of years back and forth about
the F thirty fives and then eighty eight were ordered

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from the United States. And here's the problem, Number one,
it's whatever the capacity is of the F thirty five
versus the grippin how much time one or the others
spent on the runway or spent on the tarmac awaiting maintenance,
or whatever the case may be, the effectiveness while in
the air. It gets further complicated when this boorish fool

(18:31):
of an ambassador from the United States to Canada, Pete Hokstra,
This guy is absolutely useless. So for starters, diplomat does
not apply to Pete Hokstra the way he marches around
the country with his chest pumped out, talking about Canada
and Canadians and saying things like the only way trade
talks will be once again entertained is if Canada commits

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to buying the F thirty fives from the Americans. I mean,
it's basically extortion, and it's ridiculous. And then Billy aching
about the ad regarding Reagan's stance on tariff's that was
advertising the United States. And talk about political interference, you know,
ten days before an election, I think that must refer
to municipal elections and the gubernatorial elections. But boyle boy,

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are we honestly pretending that the Americans, including the President
and Ambassador Howkstra, have not been doing the exact same
thing even during the federal election campaign. It's just the
heights of ignorance. A diplomat's role is pretty clear, Yes,
to represent his country, but it's also important for diplomats
to try to understand the country that they're being represented in,

(19:43):
so as Canadians to be spoken down to by this
buffoon is infuriating from folks holding conferences, like once again
at a manufacturing conference, he went off about fifty first state,
and you know, there's no way to talk about American politics.
But yet the Americans talk about our politics all the time,
you know, referring to the Prime Minister as governor annexation

(20:04):
fifty first state, on and on it ghost national security
concerns that blew up are signed on trade deal, and
so here we are it's not about national security, it's
not about fentanyl. It's about whatever appeases the president. And
for the ambassador to say, unless you commit to buying
the F thirty five, no more trade talks. Is that
really how negotiations amongst historical allies should be conducted. I mean,

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is there an opportunity for our government to simply say,
mister Hawkstra, get out, go away, because this is not
improving or massaging anything to do with diplomatic relations, nothing
to do with trade negotiations, nothing to do with our
century result alliance, you know, referring to our border as
artificial and all the rest. But yet this is the

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belly can we get from the US ambassador? Boy? Oh boy,
right very quickly, Oh, I want to talk about ethics screening,
Michael Sabe, I'll say that very quickly. Happy birthday to
Nathaniel Ware really appreciate you tuning into the program. Nathaniel.
Hope you're doing well and hope you have a great
day with Victoria. So happy birthday to Nathaniel. Where good

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on your Budy. Appreciate your support. We're on Twitter or
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show that can only happen if you're in the queue
to talk about whatever's on your mind. Don't go ahead,
welcome back to the show. So a topic that got
a lot of attention there for a little while, this
one country, one economy stuff, and that was the reference
to interprovincial trade. What's remarkable is for years we were told, well,

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nothing can really be done about it. You know, the
problems have the right to impose restructures regarding the trade
of various goods across the provincial borders. And then lo
and behold, all of a sudden it was a possibility.
And thinks we're going to get attended to in thirty days,
Well not so quick. There has been a formal interprovincial
trade agreement now signed by all the provinces and territories
for a little bit freer flow of some goods. It

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does exempt food alcohol now direct to consumer on alcohol products.
It has been in place in this problems and that's
just you know, you can pick a product and have
it mailed directly to you, not bulk opportunities for businesses, restaurants,
buires or otherwise. So that's one thing. But in the
world of food, and in particular meats, it's wild that

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we don't have nationwide standards for how meat is, you know,
how it's handled at the avatire level, how it's packaged,
how it's shipped. So for things like this. You know,
there was a very specific story about a farmer in
Nova Scotia who was raising black angus cattle and the
market was so small because of these restrictions. It's probably
a very wise idea that if we're going to pretend

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that interprovincial trade can be helpful, and it coulda and
should be, but products in regarding food, specifically meat, if
the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, notably say Canadian Food Inspection,
if they are operating, which they do in every single
problems and territory, are we really still out of point
in twenty twenty five where there are different ands for
a slaughter, for packaging, for shipping, for labeling, but apparently

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so so whether or not this comes with any real
meaningful economic impact regarding this now formally it's on inter
provincial trade agreement, I suppose remains to be seen. Remember
it was back in twenty seventeen where there was also
a nationwide interprovincial trade agreement signed and the impact of
that was negligible. Few people really quite mad about any

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comments made about US Ambassador Pete Hawkstra. I will never
understand the idolizing of one politician or another and the
inability to recognize what's going on. It's really quite entertaining,
albeit extremely frustrating at the same time. But if you
want to talk about it, we can do it. And
one of the stories I was in the news, and

(23:47):
we've actually had folks on this program in the past
talking about a variety of the legal products that are
on the ground for to be purchased, including contraband tobacco. Look,
times are tight and people are to try and save
a buck, and that includes if you're a smoker, to
buy contra band tobacco. It is a huge business. Just

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for consideration. If you are indeed buying the cheap smokes
behind the trade school out of the back of the van,
you're saving money, no question about it. And it's a
billion dollar plus industry in this country. What I think
needs to be part of our thought process here and
then you spend your money how you see fit. What
needs to be thought part of our thought process is
contra band tobacco is directly linked with organized crime. So

(24:31):
while we worry about the scourge of drugs and guns
and human trafficking, contraband tobacco is easy pickings for organized
criminals and they're making a ton of money on it.
Just about every time you see one of the major
bus including guns and drugs, there's contra band tobacco and
cash and various other paraphernalias associated with the drug trade.

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So again, you're going to do as you see fit
with your own money. It's your money, but it's probably
worth remembering that buying contraband tobacco. Tobacco is absolutely filling
the pockets of organized criminals, and organized criminals are causing
and wreaking havoc in the country. Look no further than
drugs and guns. Add to it human trafficking, which some

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people pretend it's simply something you see on the television
screen or on the silver screen. It's very very real.
It happens in this province. It's astonishing to know that
it does. And obviously most of it goes on behind
closed doors or looking in the shadows. But buying contraband
tobacco is absolutely fueling the coffers of the criminals that
we live amongst us and are creating enormous societal problems.

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So that's back in the news once again, and I
think it's worthwhile having that conversation, because, yeah, saving a
few bucks on a pack of smokes absolutely is a
feel good I suppose the next conversation there is similar
to things like precursors for fentanyl and other illicit and
illegal drugs that make their way into pick Apore Port
of Montreal. We don't examine every single container, but are

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we leaving an awful lot of investigations of various shipping
containers and or transport trucks undone? And if it's simply
about personnel, if we did a cost benefit of analysism,
how much it would cause to implement stricter controls at
the ports, whether that be the major ports of Vancouver,
Montreal or otherwise. Compare that to keeping as much. And

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I know the war on drugs has proven to be
extremely futile, but we can't just throw our hands in
the air and what contraband tobacco, as we're told, for
all intentsive purposes, it only gets here one way. Now,
I'm sure some crumbs across in some private fishing vessels
or whatever the case may be, but a tractor trailers
and so it's a captive audience if you're going to

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be getting passage on marine Atlantic, and I know it's going
to be resource intensive to have a careful examination of
every piece of cargo that comes across, but that's how
it's getting here. Every now and then we see a
bus where a transport truck has been pulled over, and
what's the load contraband tobacco. I mean, there was one
bus not long ago where the criminals had over a

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million dollars worth of cigarettes, contraband no taxes paid cigarettes
coming from Ontario or Quebec, which I suppose is the
hotbed for that particular activity to begin, and it ends
up here because of course it does, all right. I
didn't mention I wanted to get into Michael Saba and
ethics screening as a clerk to the Privy Council. Actually
I should save that when I try to get to
the break on time. But I do want to talk

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about ethics and the Prime Minister and blind trusts or
the concept of divesting. It's a massive conversation and in
many forms dominate some of the conversation regarding infrastructure projects here,
specifically housing. As a pass chair of Brookfield Assets Management,
of course they are for saturdays that they sit on
managing about a trillion dollars worth of assets. Of course,

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they're going to be involved in a variety of industries
and have their fingers in a bunch of different piles.
So when Brookfield and we talked about things like modular homes,
it should be part of the conversation, and we can
and we should talk about ethics screenings, how often it happens,
how the process works, and what kind of protections it
all actually offers for Canadians, regardless of your political stripe.
Let's checking out Twitter, where VSM open line a bit

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of moose licensed conversation. Also email addresses open on at
VOSM dot com. When we come back, plenty show for
you don't go away. Welcome back to the program. Let's
see here. Let's go to line number one. Zach, you're
on the air.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Hi, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
You were talking about President Trump earlier, and as an
American who lives in Ohio, I just want to remind
everybody that the majority of people are not for Donald Trump,
and it's very much an embarrassment that he won the presidency. Again,
our big problem is a lot of people don't vote,
so we're stuck here with it. And as much as

(28:54):
other people, like in Canada and other places are upset
with a most people.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
Here are too.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
So I just want to make the point we're not
all for them.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
To put it mildly, yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I mean, I know that someone of the neighborhood of
a third of the population actually voted for the president.
There's a big load of Americans didn't vote, and of
course some not voted for Kamala Harris. So look, I
try not to dig too far in on American politics,
even though it make for a fascinating show if it
was nothing about America politics. But you know Canadians who
get upset when we talk about the Americans. The fact

(29:27):
of the matter is what happens in the United States,
and political discourse in the United States and economic issues
in the United States impacts us. Like the pretend it doesn't.
He's really quite silly. So at some point to ignore
the emblent elephant in the room is really a betrayal
to a well rounded conversation. I don't like thinking about
her or talking about him or listening to them. But
it's a real issue in Kindada, of course it is.

Speaker 7 (29:49):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
I work in radio here.

Speaker 8 (29:51):
So it's what I do and talk about politics here
in the United States, so it's very contentious, to say
the least. When he's president, and hopefully I have a
thinking suspicion he might try to stay longer than it's term,
even though it's against our constitution.

Speaker 6 (30:09):
But we'll see, and you know, I just want to
make that point again, we're not.

Speaker 7 (30:13):
All like that.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
So yeah, it's really amazing to watch now. I will
say as a Canadian radio host that we have tons
of our own systemic domestic problems that have been self
inflicted wounds. It's absolutely true and it's absolutely real. But
again to the summary point of a lot of things
that happened in the States, because we just have to
think about it's like, you know, the Robbert neckers. When

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you see a car accident there are it's like watching
a train wreck south of the border these days, and
of course, with the advent of cable news, cable news
really consumes a lot of eyeballs in this country. I
don't even know what the ratings might be for compare
CTV or Global or CBC to CNN or MSNBC or
whatever the case we be. But a lot of people

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watch American cable news, and so how politics has discussed
there inevitably makes it into the hearts and minds of Canadians.
It just does. So that's why we every now and
then make reference too.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, yeah, I know, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
It seems that, at least to new for the land,
that the people are a bit more likely to have
a debate than an argument, because there's a big difference,
and here that's kind of lost. So it's like watching
how a car crash every day when you wake up
watch the news.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
Here.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
There's plenty of polarization in this country. There's plenty of hyperpartisanship,
and some of that is just baked in. It's always
going to be part of it. But I hope we
don't find ourselves at a point where there is simply
no discussion, no conversation, no debate, as opposed to just
yelling at each other. Because when you see it happening,
what happens is the people's business does not get attended to.

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When it happens government shutdown, I mean, which is also
a strange feature of American politics and governance, is they
can shut the government down here if you can't get
a budget through, the government falls. I mean, it's a
pretty interesting contrast.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well again, I enjoyed your show.

Speaker 9 (32:03):
Thanks for taking my call, and I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
I appreciate your time. Is that good luck? Okay, bye bye?
That's interesting. Look, and again, no one politician has all
the answers, no one political party has all the answers.
And when we pretend that that's a fact, when of
course it's not a fact, is it really does hamper
any real Ford momentum Because I think regardless of who

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you vote for, I think we all share a bunch
of common sentiments and hopes. It knows to be happy
and healthy and gainfully employed, access to healthcare, good education
for our children, you know, a safe community. So every
now and then, when we remind ourselves of those things,
we probably get more things done. Because the whole standoffishness

(32:51):
of political discourse and the inability for some people to
recognize the shortcomings. Pick a politician of Mark Kearney or
of Just Trudeau or Pierre Pollieve or Aerin O'Toole or
Stephen Harper or anybody I mean to not be able
to acknowledge the distinct and obvious shortcomings, sidestep missteps, scanless behavior,

(33:12):
borish behavior. If we can't do that, then we are
really going down the path that is. You know, it's
already a tricky and danger plagued pathway already, but it
only gets worse. It just does not. There's not one
politician alive today, nor one politician in the history of man,
that has all the answers. It's just not It's never

(33:34):
been a thing, it never will be. Let's go to
line number two. Selena, you around the air, Hi, Selena,
I can hear you now, go ahead.

Speaker 10 (33:49):
Okay, mys is horrible. I'm sorry about that, no problem.
I just want to say one quick thing first about
the Postal Canada thing. Okay, I live in a rural area.
It's really freaking everything out. So that's anyway be Other

(34:10):
than that. You were talking about contraband tobacco. Yeah, okay,
I haven't had a cigarette in two years, but I'm
telling you everybody is selling contraband tobacco. You can get
it anywhere you go to buy a pack of cigarettes
at the store. They're dry as contraband because nobody's buying them.

(34:36):
And I believe that's what a government thinks. Do you
want to drop to pack it? They can drive it
by two dollars and they're still going to buy contrabane,
and you can't control it. And every time the RCMP
comes out with, oh, we made this huge bus with
this many cigarettes, they have no idea how many cigarettes

(34:56):
are out here or anywhere or everywhere, and everybody some
of them apparently.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
So I mean, I don't I suppose I'm sheltered in
so far as I don't see a whole lot of
it around. But I'm sure if I made a couple
of quick phone calls around my buddies who are smokers,
I could probably find out pretty quick. We're to get
my hands out of it.

Speaker 10 (35:15):
But nobody and somebody's moth. You know, the the cheapest
type of cigarettes I believe at this point that I
know of that you can buy is like nineteen dollars.

Speaker 11 (35:31):
And if you.

Speaker 10 (35:31):
Get contravand you get ten tanks and they're five dollars apiece. Now,
if you're addicted to cigarettes, what is somebody supposed to
do when they got no money? They buy it. Right.
Oh yeah, so I know why people the price of

(35:52):
cigarettes buy a dollar or two is not going to help.
And you, like you said, they're coming in. They can't
check every repeat of cargo, right.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, I mean, I know it would be pretty resource
intensive to have a careful opening and examination of every
load in every transport truck, of course it would, but
the amount of the point I was making. Look, people
are going to try to save money where they can
save money, whether it be contraband tobacco or otherwise. But
it's probably worth considering that organized crime are the beneficiaries

(36:28):
of contraband tobacco. And if we are fearful of them
and a loath what they've done to our communities in
some form, just buying their crap and in this case
contraband tobacco is just making them stronger, makes them more rich.

Speaker 10 (36:42):
Right, So people, a lot of people that are solving
contra band tobacco are not bad people. They're trying to
make money too. We have nobody can to afford anything.
And when it comes to taxes, if you buy contraband tobacco,
you still have to buy gas, You still have to
pay taxes on your groceries, so they're getting the money back.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Oh yeah, so.

Speaker 10 (37:10):
You know the whole deal with counts band. I understand
that like the cocaine and all the drugs are coming
with it, and that's terrible, right yeah, I mean those okay,
go ahead, go ahead, No, you go ahead, And it's

(37:35):
like the.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Street corner drug dealer. I don't think people are insinuating
that that person is the Hell's Angels. But where they
got their drugs and their guns probably came from an
organized crime gang. So that's the point. We know that
people are selling contraband are probably not members at high
levels of organized crime. They're just the footshow soldiers that
get putting harm's way legally speaking, by the big gangs.

(37:58):
I mean, that's how goes. It's the the attraction or
the lore of easy money. We know why people get
involved in selling drugs or selling contraband, tobacco or bootleg
liquor is because they can make a buck office and
that's always going to be part of human nature. But
my summary point was simply to say, look, it's not
as innocent as simply buying a cheap pack of smokes.

(38:18):
You're basically putting money right in the director of the pocket.
I pick a gang, the Hell's Angels or whoever.

Speaker 10 (38:26):
That's actually not correct.

Speaker 9 (38:29):
That's correct because they're not.

Speaker 10 (38:33):
Hitting anybody, does selling smoke, so he does wait for
two years to do an inspector or whatever their detective stuff,
and then they make a big must and it's a
big deal to make them goes to make the public
to feel shapes. It has nothing to do with the

(38:53):
Hell's Angels.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
It does.

Speaker 10 (38:57):
Well, maybe, but it's not all that.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
No, it's not just them. I just picked one gang
that came to mind. There's a bunch of organized crime
elements in the country.

Speaker 10 (39:06):
Yeah, of course there's well, there's one in Gander do Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
It's everywhere. Yeah. We used to pretend that we were
kind of immune to those types of criminal element, but
we're not, and of course we're not. You know, anyway,
anything else you want to say this morning, Selena.

Speaker 10 (39:23):
No, I'm just I don't know. Those seems like the
government is like we got addicted to a tobacco and
now they're making people suffer. There was an old guy
that called him last year that was crying on the phone.
He was dying and he couldn't afford a pack of cigarettes,

(39:45):
and that's all he wanted was a pack of cigarettes
because he was addicted this whole light and he couldn't
afford a pack of.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Smoke, which is a sad state of affairs. Individually speaking, Selene,
I got to get going to appreciate your time. Hope
you're doing.

Speaker 11 (40:01):
Okay, Thank you, welcome.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
All right, bye bye, all right, let's get a break
in here, don't go away. Welcome back to the show.
Let's go to line number one. Sam, you're on the air.

Speaker 11 (40:13):
Yes, good morning, Patty, how are you there?

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Doing very well? Thanks? Ho about you?

Speaker 11 (40:18):
Our best time, beautiful day, Patty. I just wanted to
take a two a minute just for the encourage people
to go online and fill in that survey for the
Recreation Fishery, because I had a look at that filled
it out, and I know some of the questions are

(40:39):
a little bit different from than what we're expecting. But
one of the ones who was service for about reporting.
Now we keep saying every year that we don't know
how much is really caught with the recreation fishery, and
we do have the record one who's caught and wear
and so on. Right, I don't think it's a bad idea.

(41:02):
It's one that we can I don't think anybody. Most
people wouldn't have a problem with it. But the problem
that I see with it online that there's a lot
of communities around theisle that don't have internet yet. It's
hard to believe and everything right, and you get a
lot of older people, probably even just like myself, it's

(41:25):
not that good at computers things like that, and there's
be a little bit hard. I would have liked to
see if they had to have meetings around the problems
like they had some there a few years ago. So
I like to encourage everybody for to fill that survey
out because we do need the signs for to see

(41:48):
what's on the go. And I'm just hoping that everybody
will get on and still have their say, right, because
this is our opportunity. If we don't feel that out,
we can't say much. No, we have the opportunity there
now to have our say.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
So I'm just.

Speaker 11 (42:07):
Hoping that everybody will go on fifty ken and sot
to survey. No, that's the only thing I wanted to
say this morning, just for encouragement.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Fair enough, you say there's questions that people might not expect, such.

Speaker 11 (42:22):
As was one of the ones there for Oh god,
I tried to think that for filling out for the
quotas stuff, right, and have to report that right now?
I think some people wasn't expecting to see a question
there like that, right, And do you agree with having

(42:46):
less quota or open.

Speaker 12 (42:48):
Things like that?

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Right?

Speaker 11 (42:49):
Yeah, I just don't have the survey right here right now.
I just had to think right off right.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
No problem. So the bit about log books E log
books are Otherwise, most people that react to these types
of calls say, I do not want to have to
do anything like that because I should be able to Firstly,
I should be able to go whenever I want to
take whatever I want. So that's one sentiment. But let's
just think about what actual data might mean for the conversation.
If we had a season of log books, then we

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would know exactly if people were honest in reporting, we'd
know exactly how many fish were taken in the recreational
food fishery. Then you'd have a starting point to talk about, well,
if all of a sudden we can have a commercial fishery,
then how are we still stuck with X given the
fact that we took you know, whatever miniscule percentage of
God that comes out of the water in the form
of the recreational food fishery. I think for people that

(43:38):
want more, I think this is a good way to
get it. I really do. I think we'd be able
to prove that, hey, food fishers take so little that
these types of restructions that are currently in place are
patently unfair. And here's the data. But right now we
just have it as an emotional conversation.

Speaker 11 (43:54):
Well, that's destroy I totally agree with in that Penny.
I wouldn't have a problem with that at time, because
I figures after the if if it's open up every
day during the during the year, the first year, I
would say you'd see a fair amount of people going out,
but then involved it is reported, and then in the

(44:15):
second year, I don't think you'd have probably would be
down by at least a quarter of a percentage of
people going out because it's a novel leave right now,
and I know a lot of people got to have
food on the table and they do depen on it,
right But I think when people will get used to

(44:35):
it that they can go out again at any time.
It would be totally different. You'd see in the second
year with everything document would be way less people going out.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
One of the key restrictions are key problems with the
current restrictions is that inside the thirty nine days, inevitably
there's going to be plenty of those days which are
simply not fit to go out. The weather's way too
the agency is way too high. So that's another problem here.
And I don't think we've done a very good job
in recording days lost to weather inside thirty nine to

(45:08):
bols through the argument as well, So I'm with most people.
I think the restrictions are far too heavy handed, But
we don't have any data. All we have is emotions,
and I think one season or two seasons of actually
compiling the numbers would be extremely effective and getting better access.

Speaker 11 (45:24):
Or you would definitely have better access Patty and the
other thing, whether it is if you take for just
some weekends. The year before lanth I kept track of
the days that we missed down unders today, those eighteen
days that was not safe for people to go out
on the water right and this year I still tried

(45:45):
to keep track of it, and I think there was
summer twelve or fourteen days that you could not go
out on weekends, so on account of the weather. Now,
those people went out, but to me it was not
safe for the beginning. All according type of boat you got,
and you got people going out and those little luminum
boats twelve fourteen feet and the winds can come up

(46:08):
fairly quickly on your here around the Flanta as everybody know.
And you've got people that's working on weekends, shift workers
things like that, they can't get out maybe every second
weekend and maybe every turn weekend they might have off, right,
So those people don't get a chance to work at all.

(46:32):
So I think that's why we needed open the whole time,
and let's record for a year or two, as long
as it's got to be done in every other province
so that we're actually the same.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean there are some distinct differences between
this province and other provinces, whether it be daily bag
limit all call its and you know, more access seven
days week versus just on the weekends, really keeps a
lot of people out of play. Anyway, there's plenty of
people listening that only work on the weekends, or do
indeed work on weekends. I guess better said Sam, anything

(47:08):
else you want to say? This morning.

Speaker 11 (47:10):
No, I just like to encourage people for to go
on and filid survey and if you do have problems
with the computer things like that, keep one of your
friends or somebody right to go on hook into it
for you, right and go through the questions and everybody
can have their say.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Absolutely. I mean, we're we always ask to be consulted,
but then sometimes when it's open, we don't take advantage
of it. So I think we should. I'm going to
fill it out. I haven't had a chance yet, but
I will just for the sake of Sam. Appreciate the
time this morning. Thank you.

Speaker 11 (47:45):
I appreciate the very tense all about.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Okay, let's get around, break into a way. Welcome back
to the show. Let's go to line number two.

Speaker 11 (47:57):
SA.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Good morning to the mayor lab City. That's Jordan Brown
on Mayor Brown, you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Thank you for having me this morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Happy to have you on. How you settling into municipal politics.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Oh, it's been, it's been fantastic. I've been I've been
enjoying myself. It's been. It's been a bit of a
learning curve from provincial politics. But you know, I have
a great counsel. So it's been it's been.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Fantastic rio tinto what do we know?

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Well right now, like I said before, you know, they're
going through they apparently are restructuring, so they've been trying
to I guess and they changed it, I guess the
designation of IOC moved them into the Greater iron Ore portfolio,
and there's been a lot of I guess people I
guess in the local workforce with them.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
What is the people though, I don't think anyone has
any specific numbers of layoffs or who exactly is getting
laid up. What do you know?

Speaker 3 (48:47):
So right now, like from what we've been seeing in
the community that there has been a number, they haven't
given me a full number yet because it's not just
lab West, they're also in the Port of the Hill,
Saint John's Office, Montreal office, so there've been the they say,
you know, in quote unquote redundancies, and they also been
you know, restructuring their I guess, the operations in the region.

(49:07):
So unfortunately, and you know, my heart goes out to
these people that they this came with you know, layoffs
locally and also in their other offices, which has been
you know, a bit a bit hard to watch.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
My understanding is that no unionized paid by the hour
workers are being laid off. Is that the case from
what I've.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Seen and heard, there's no hourly worker has been It's
been strictly within staff and management.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
But regardless if they live in the community. A job
loss is a lack of money, disposal of money being
spent in the community. So with what we know about
the numbers of layoffs, just paint a picture of what
that actually means in Lap City.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Well, you know this is these are these are individuals.
There are people that you know work in the community
and stuff like that, their friends, their family, you know,
some of these people that have been laid off. I know,
you know, I've worked within different capacities over the years,
and it's it's it's no matter if it was one employee,
twenty employees, fifty employees. It's hard to watch because we're
very you know, we're level west. You know, you know

(50:02):
there's ten thousand people in our west. But at the
same time, you know that's still a small community and
that's still a small group of people that we all know.
So it's one job layoffice is hard, and you know,
when it adds more.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
It just gets harder being in municipal politics obviously different
in so far as role and authority than being in
provincial politics. But obviously the issues are very similar, just
have different tech to approach them. So, what are still
some of the top issues for lab City that you
do need help or support from the province.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Well, we know we still we need to still get
houses built. We still need seniors housing built. We're still
having issues you know around you know, keeping and retaining
and recruiting healthcare workers. We still have a shortage in
healthcare recruirement. We still have you know, all these things
that persist that we know we need to have a
strong conversation with the province about you know, supporting places

(50:53):
like Labor West and you know, we have a you know,
despite what's going on with Rio Tinto, there is still
a demand for ourn ore. We are now shipping manganese
out of labor Or West, so we have another mineral
that we're shipping, and you know, and we keep having
people knock on our door caning projects still around the corner.
We want to make sure that we have the housing
and capacity available for that project when that starts getting

(51:15):
moving forward. We don't want that project to be a
fly and fly out project. We want people to move
to our community and stay in our community because the
services and things are there. So these are the conversations
that we need to have with the province about moving
our community forward. And we want to have a respectful
conversation and see and get them to see from our
point of view on why we're asking for these things.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Correct me if I'm wrong. What Happy Valley Goose Bay
just finalize a housing project affordability and I believe it
was Senior's Housing thirty units, thirty six ownits something like that.
Is it just a matter of mimicking about just got
executed and Happy Valley Goose Bay.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
There is a few nuances. They also had support from
you know, the indigenous communities and that live in that area.
It's a bit different leve or West. We don't we
don't have you know, indigenous governments in our area that
can help with these projects. So there is you know,
we don't have that piece of the puzzle, but you know,
there's other options that we can go with. But we
do need the support of the province and from the
federal government. We had a good actually I had a

(52:10):
very good conversation with our new MP about this and
he was very receptive. So we're I have to have
some further conversations with the federal government on what a
project would look like. So you know, we're trying to
move that forward. But you know, we the nuances are
different Labor West and Happy Values, but we're both in
Labrador where we do have similar challenges, but we also

(52:31):
there is some nuances there. Different thing when it comes
to the communities. We Labor is a very big place
and we have you know, the four regions of labor
the North Coast, Central, Western and Southern have different nuances
that we do have the challenges that we have to overcome.
But you know there, you know, there's some stuff we
have learned from goose By, but there are some nuances
that are a little different.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Describe those nuances. Is it relations with indigenous communities, There
is a different economies or what do you mean by that?

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Well, so Gooseby actually have a developer local in their community.
We have no developers. Mind, there is no no housing
developer in Labor West. We don't have that. They had that.
They also have access to indigenous governments to partner with
we don't have an indigenous governments based in our community
like Happy Value, Goose Pados, so that we don't have
that access to the to those groups like they do.

(53:19):
And so we we we have a those kind of
nuances that we we need to get pots of money from.
You know, we don't have an indigenous government to help
us out. We need to find another partner similar to
that that we just don't have in our community.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Right now, Okay, fair enough, any other issues you'd like
to broch this morning. Well we have you mayor Brown.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
You know, you know we we we have you know,
we have this community. We have some things to work through,
but you know, the things are looking good and looking
up despite you know, you know, my heart goes out
to the people that were laid off depite, you know,
with what Rial Tindo's doing. But other than that, like
we've seen some growth in our community. We've seen things
that we still have you know, Cami project coming down.
But you know, we need to work together and to

(53:57):
to try to get you know, the housing in place,
health in place, and things in place, because we want
to grow. We want people to move the Leber West.
We want to grow our community and we want to
be able to make sure that you know, we we
have job security and we have you know, things for
people to do when they get there. We just don't
want to be just a bedroom town. We want to
be a vibrant, growing community and you know, we need
to all work together. But you know, what this is

(54:18):
going on with Riotinto does really you know, put a
little rain cloud over what you know normally has been
a pretty pretty good day. You know, it's been it's
been hard, but you know, hopefully now we can have
a conversation with Rio Tinto and find ways that we
can move forward fair enough.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
I appreciate your times forming the mayor Brown, thank.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
You, thank you for having me kicking of my friend
the lie Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Jordan Brown now the mayor of lab City. So it
would be nice to get a little bit more information.
Let me just click this message open here about exactly
what's going on at ioc Rio Tinto and it also
probably should google up exactly what sort of profits came
in the door Rio Tinto last year. You're going to
see a bunch of big business so called restructure or
right size or whatever the right frame. But this is

(55:01):
a message from someone in the area As of now,
no union jobs were lost, but that could change. But
the local staff have many years like this, many years
close to retirement we're fired. So the Australians could come in.
What does that mean? So there's a big number of
families from Australia that it came in to be part
of leadership at Rio Tinto or at IOC. I assume

(55:23):
that's what that means. And again when Jordan Brown talks
about fly and fly out, look many people you know,
at the government level, it's the whole concept of simply
keeping a mind open, expanding a mind, opening up a
new mine. And fly and fly out doesn't necessarily jeopardize
any the revenue is flowing government's way, but it absolutely
does impact the community for every reason imaginable. To not

(55:46):
have a fly in flyout operation is just best for
all hands. And a lot of this comes down to
things like we talked about all the time. It is housing.
You know, I'll put it out there for your consideration
one more time. When we talk about the expanded tax
spase with expansion in the mining sector and or royalties
flow into the government, if some of that money was
specifically earmarked as opposed suit, it all just flows into

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the general Government offers and government spends it however they
see fit. If part of the negotiated benefits agreement said
that X percentage of the royalties would be committed to
building housing, because then you cure a bunch of ills
with the one benefits agreement, So there'd be an opportunity
to not have flying flyout. There'd be more housing that's

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required in lab West or any part of a Labrador
or any part of the province if we see any
big economic growth. But again we've gotten away from that
type of approach to housing and our relationship with industry.
So when industry says we need access to healthcare, we
need access to housing, we need access to education for
our operations, then in their best interest would be placed

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a bit more of an active role in improving that access.
Let's get a break in when we come back. Mayor
Peter lock shouting Gamba wants to talk about the twenty
four hour snow clearing announcement yesterday by Transport Minister Barry
Patton took away. Welcome back to the show. Peter Lush
is the mayor out in Gambo joins US Online three.
Mayor Lusher on the air.

Speaker 13 (57:08):
Good morning, Patty, and how are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
I'm doing very well. How about yourself?

Speaker 14 (57:14):
I'm doing good, Patty, And first of all, I want
to thank you for the great service you and b
OCN serve to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador. And Patty,
my ishu is My topic this morning is I heard
the minister's announcement yesterday about the twenty four hour service

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for the winter months they were going to provide in
Newfoundland and Labrador with regards to the equipment operators.

Speaker 6 (57:51):
And I got to say I was astounded and.

Speaker 14 (57:55):
Absolutely disappointed to air Minister patance announcement and the government
of Newfouland and Larbad or you know, Petty, I don't
know the Minister knows, but the main thoroughfare from Gamble
and surrounding areas which was left out of this decision.

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Many people depend on this for transportation.

Speaker 7 (58:26):
We have health care workers, we have military workers, we
have airport workers, we have support workers, all who.

Speaker 14 (58:36):
Worked twenty four hours a day, who traveled to.

Speaker 7 (58:43):
Gender to work, you know.

Speaker 15 (58:46):
And the Petant governments ran on a campaign that they
either misled people or people cook it wrong.

Speaker 16 (58:59):
But they did say they crafted their blue book, very
articulate figure. And of course now they can say, well.

Speaker 15 (59:11):
We didn't say all road for Patty. I'm going to
keep you just fas Minister.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
Teti said that.

Speaker 14 (59:18):
He said in two thousand and sixteen, one life lost
was one too many for Petty.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
I have a personal experience back some forty years.

Speaker 14 (59:31):
Ago, my wife and my next door neighbor were driving
to work early.

Speaker 6 (59:38):
In the morning.

Speaker 14 (59:40):
My next door neighbor got killed and my late wife
ended up a paraplegic in a wheelchair for thirty years,
a woman who never got a chance to see your
grandchildren born or grow up. So Petty me, this is unfair,

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not right. It's either a political decision in the area
that I live. Some twenty thousand people live in this area,
and we're not going to have the twenty four hour
coverage which was based on their platform. So yeah, I

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am disappointed, upset, and the residents in this area are likewise.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
I bet they are. You know, even while these promises
were being made on the campaign trail, I'm pretty sure
I said something along these lines. It's a very attractive
promise to make. It's absolutely going to get some support
from some voters in different parts of the province. But
at the exact same time, even with just this announcement
yesterday and these fourteen routes, it still comes along with
the need to hire fifty additional operators. So what did

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we talk about, Whether it be healthcare and expanding collabative
care clinics that requires healthcare professionals for our snow clarent
requires more operators. If we're already saying it's going to
be difficult enough to hire fifty operators, I imagine if
every single route was covered. So I called it a
virtual impossibility. Whether or not this is phase one or
whatever the right phrase might be, I don't know, but

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I always had a funny feeling that twenty four to
seven wasn't going to be all encompassing, and log Beholt
is absolutely that.

Speaker 14 (01:01:25):
Yeah, you're probably correct, Patty, And of course I wouldn't
discuss I don't want to get into everything.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
That was put in the blue book.

Speaker 14 (01:01:34):
And as you talked about, yeah, we talked about elfcare
and the government's going to change that and get more working. Well,
I worked in the elfcare for forty years, and forty
years I was there is the same issues that I've
heard repetitively. But my main concern is the government did
say they were going to do it, and the onus

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is on government since they're the ones who made the announcement.
The onus on government to find the workers and to
put in place to fairness is fairness, And of course
I want to repeat Minister Patton's words again, One life
is one too many shows he telling that people who

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live in rural Newpoleland, who live on the outskirts of
the main thoroughfare, their lives mean nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
I'm not justud like your point out. Is government's responsibility
to staff up positions that they create, absolutely it is it?
Who else could be responsible for it? And whether or
not this even gets off the ground to the full
extent of these fourteen routes, I think is questionable.

Speaker 14 (01:02:41):
And Patty probably and I would think many.

Speaker 7 (01:02:44):
Of the workers.

Speaker 14 (01:02:46):
That the government put in the Work Service Department valuates
many of those employees at the first time, and many
who only work a certain hours, So maybe they had
they're smart enough to realize, yeah, we still got people
here who only work for a time. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure what their long term plan is, but

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I just want them. I hope that they will correct
the wrong that they're done to the people in this area.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
We'll have a follow up conversation with Minister pett And asap.
And on top of you know, it's going to be
tough competitively speaking, to get operators who might work in
the private sector, possibly making more and possibly with permanent
full time jobs, you know, in the summer driving to
the dump truck and in the winter driving a snowplow
as or operating snowplow. Seasonal jobs are hard to fill.

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I mean, there's lots of people out there clamoring and
absolutely need employment and take season if they can get it.
But some of these heavy equipment operators, they're pretty high
demand as far as I can tell.

Speaker 14 (01:03:47):
You're absolutely correct, Patty, and that is probably one of
their options.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, we'll get the Minister on here pretty quickly. And
I appreciate your concern this morning. And I've know, of
course gone through Gambo countless times. But in and around
your area, when we're talking about public safety on the roadways,
what's self service like that in your neck of the woods?

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Self service?

Speaker 14 (01:04:10):
Yeah, it's not the best, Petty.

Speaker 7 (01:04:16):
No, it's very sporadic.

Speaker 14 (01:04:18):
Certain parts of town you can't get it. Going to
the kid to Wait coast, you might get it and
you might not. And yeah, and of course we bet
after all governments. So I've worked with all different levels
of government over the years and we've been after correctly

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every government to do something to improve it. But yeah,
it is not the best no tourist area, Petty.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
It's not the best anywhere. I mean, just for context,
I live in the east end of Saint John's. There's
places in mind with no cell service and I'm a towny,
so I can only imagine how bad it is in
other parts of the province.

Speaker 14 (01:05:06):
Well, Patty up grow practically from by despair in my
previous before I retired, and I did the getaway coach
flue the lewis Ford area and all those areas. And
I can tell you that you might if if you
were lucky, you might get the self service once or

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so in a trip to Bevert Beta Spair.

Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
Yea, all those areas. Cell service is terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Yeah, and that's part of the public safety conversation as
far as I'm concerned. May Lush, I appreciate you making
time for the show. Thanks for the call, and thank
you Patty very much, my pleasure. Stay in talk. Okay,
bye bye. I mean you talked about it like up
and down the Bureaum Peninsula or the Babor Peninsula, or
of the Great Northern Peninsula, whatever the case may be.
Even just driving across Highway one, it's no problem to

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drop a call on the main highway. And look, it
has been an improvement in service when you're lucky enough
to have a few bars on your phone dealing with
things like five G. But that's been one of the
complicating factors. It has a reduced geographical footprint versus five
G or three or sos or whatever that other one
is called that other level of connectivity, but it has

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compromised the reliability of the service. So government can talk
about pilot projects for boosting signals, and of course the
big telecom companies who wield so much power when they
don't have a business model that adds up to building
more transmission infrastructure. Unless they get government handouts corporate welfare,
they're not going to do it. So we are stuck
between the proverbial rock and a hard place on this one.

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That's going to break in when we come back to
Jason wants to talk about the contraband smokes don't go away.
Welcome back to the show. Let's go line number four. Jason,
you're on the air.

Speaker 6 (01:06:57):
Oka, Hi there.

Speaker 7 (01:07:00):
Uh, somebody just came on there a w when talking
about contraband cigarettes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (01:07:04):
I think they said it was like five dollars a
pack or something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Yeah, I don't know. I haven't bought one, so I
don't know how much it costs, but that was the
number he used.

Speaker 7 (01:07:11):
Yet. Okay, what did the government do with marijuana?

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
They made it legal?

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Was that to get rid of the black market or
to compete?

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
That's an excellent question, you know, I guess how come sorry,
I know you go ahead and finish a point.

Speaker 6 (01:07:28):
How come they can't do the same thing with the tobacco.

Speaker 7 (01:07:32):
They want to get rid of these black markets already
making more from the Hill's angel over whatever you guys
were talking about, or can't the government make a dollar.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Out of the government can make a dollar at it?
That was huge portion of what people pay for a
pack of cigarettes is tax.

Speaker 7 (01:07:50):
Yes, but the only reason why it's legal or contraband
right now is because a tax free. So the government
wants to they want to, they want that tax money.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Of course they do.

Speaker 7 (01:07:58):
They did it with the marijuana. Why can't they do
it but to take.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Yeah, marijuana didn't turn out to be the big cash
cow that all governments thought it would be. In fact,
it's come up woefully short of what government thought it
would be. You know, some of the motivations on that
front were one, the black market. The black market still exists.
Number two, the backlock in the courts, which has cleared
up a bit, and rightfully so. I mean people going
to court for getting cold a half dozen joints is

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kind of a waste of time in the courts in
the big scheme of things. And then it was the revenue.
So your point is that if government wants to get
rid of the contraband market, they would simply remove all
the taxes and then consequently that would be changed the
water and the beans. Is that what you are saying?

Speaker 7 (01:08:40):
I gues so because it says, as it's been First
Nations or something, First Nations territories, a lot of them
are Yeah, wouldn't that be like a reserve?

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Yep?

Speaker 7 (01:08:50):
Okay, Well, we'll three courters of the people here on
the island her they got madive in them. I think
there's like there's only one reserve that I know that
would be like con River.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Yeah, I suppose you could call some of the indigenous
communities in Laborador quote unquote similar to a reserve. And
I don't even know what the technical definition is. But
yet some of the contraband comes from reserves. Like my
wife is from Cornwall, Ontario, and in the River there's
a big island that is a Native reserve and they're
notorious for the contraband tobacco. So does it all come

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from those reserves. I really don't know, to be honest,
but I've seen plenty of packages that say exactly that
on the stamp.

Speaker 6 (01:09:29):
Yep, yes, I've seen that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:32):
Northwest Territories or something like that. So I wonder if
the government is just making more money on the players
and the marier and everything than have and to bring
in native series.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Well, I don't think the government is responsible for bringing
in the contraband. And I would imagine, like I've made
reference to organized crime, it don't take it for me.
You could take it from the coalitional gains contraband tobacco.
And the commissioner with the Ontario Police Provincial Police, they're
saying exactly. That goes hand in hand with drugs and
weapons in human traffic, looking for organized crime. So the
root of it, whether it be a drug lab making

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fentanyl in the BC interior, before that product gets to
someone's body, it goes through the hands of criminals and
generally speaking, organized criminals. So I guess it's a similar
conversation regarding contraband tobacco, and you did you think about it?
They refer to these taxes as sin taxes, so for
people who are sinning and buying cigarettes or buying alcohol,

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it's an easy place for government to make money, and
in some form it comes across as preying on people's addictions, right,
doesn't it, Because if tobacco is one of the most
highly addictive substances on the face of the earth, and
of course we know what the addiction to alcohol means
in this province. So they're making money hand over fist.
The NLC last year returned to the provincial government in

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excess of two hundred million dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:10:49):
Yeah, okay, one more question, Patty, does anybody on the
West coast hear jets in a night time like they're
really really low? This is not like a little sets
now or a helicopter or anything like that. These are
big turbines and they're really low. It starts around eight
o'clock at night and goes to two and three o'clock
in the morning. And if it's a clear night.

Speaker 6 (01:11:10):
You will not see it.

Speaker 7 (01:11:11):
You will not hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
As soon as it's cloudy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
They're really low.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
What part of the West Coast do you live.

Speaker 7 (01:11:17):
I live in a steaml area. Okay, was not coming
up from Deer Lake because that would be a commercial flight.
They'd be miles in the sky. You wouldn't hear it anyway.
But these are really low.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I have no idea what it might be. But if
anyone on the West Coast wants to time in what
they hear at night regarding air traffic, happy to take
their call. And I live in the East End. I
live in a flight path. I've almost known to it.
It's like having a grandfather clock in the house. When
you first get it, all your hear is the times.
After a while, you don't hear it at all. I
live in a flight path between cougar helicopters and commercial
air travel and cargo flights. I almost don't even hear

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them anymore. Because it's not stop.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Well, you're getting used to it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I guess, yeah, I suppose that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
Yeah, okay, I think very much for your time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Can I appreciate yours? Thanks for the call. Bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I use the Grandfather clock analogy because you know, if
you move into a house or you buy grandfather clock,
of course, every time the chimes go off, it just
dominates your senses. The same thing when you just move
into an area that's in the flight path. And I
guess most of the area around here, but I do
live in one of the most popular approach lanes into

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Saint John's International. And again sometimes when the helicopters are
extremely loud, they're extremely loud, but a lot of the aircraft,
the fixed wing don't hear it as much as when
we first moved in. Because that's all I would do
is be out in the park looking up at the planes,
going nah, stop over my head. Let's see here. Let's
go to line number one. Good morning, Glenn, you're.

Speaker 6 (01:12:43):
On the air.

Speaker 11 (01:12:45):
Hey, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
How are you great today? How about you?

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Hell listen hello from Saint Joseph's Island here in Pazanchia Bay.
But you know something Monday night, I had a flight
come over. It was a double prop kind of like
those ones. Are those small one's here Canada that runs
back and forth to the mainland, you know the ones
I'm talking about, the smaller ones.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Yeah, any neme or anything on it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
But it came right over our cold here in Saint
Joseph's maybe at about I would estimate from the look
of a hill, no more than a thousand feet. And
it was kind of weird too, you know what I mean,
Like I said, what an unusual place for a plane
to be that wasn't recognizable markings, you know, flying that low.
I don't know unless it was something private and somebody

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was out showing them around or something, that's what it
felt like.

Speaker 11 (01:13:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I think most of the private aircrafts were probably jets
as opposed to twin props, but who know, I have
no idea what it was.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
This was. This was a twin prop for sure, kind
of like that one that they used for fisheries and oceans,
that blue one this in there in town that that
flies around I would hear about anyway. Listen, Patty, I
just want to. I couldn't help but.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Listen to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
What do you cause you were talking to Sherry Gamma
Welsh in my house to vibrates yesterday. I could have
swore it fell like termally trying to crawl out of
the woodwork. All of a sudden are showing up on
the radio. She's about eight years too late. I told
her when I voted for She's from my hometown. I
told her when I remember when she got in, I said, Cherry,

(01:14:19):
she was just st a.

Speaker 7 (01:14:22):
What do you call it?

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
Not a minister at the time, but what is his name?

Speaker 6 (01:14:27):
Totti like A.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
Yes, thank you, m J A yes.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
And one thing I.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Said, please, don't forget the people. Don't forget the people
that put you there. And once they get in there,
we can't find them. They can't answer emails, phone calls.
I hear it on your show all the time. I'm
an abnet listener out here, and I've been home for
a year and homesteading here since April. I can't get
a doctor since I've been here.

Speaker 6 (01:14:55):
I'm over a year.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
It was a year in August. Forget about a doctor.
I can't even get a phone call to talk to one.
I got a cavity that I want to get fixed,
but I can't get a dentist. If I go to emergency,
they're not going to do anything. They're going to see
you need to see a dentist. But I can't get
a dentist.

Speaker 17 (01:15:12):
So what do you do?

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:15:14):
So I'd like to know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
My question is Sherry gambin.

Speaker 7 (01:15:18):
Welch, Where were you?

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Where were you? How come we I can't get a
doctor one? Why don't they get on and talk about
some of the things that concerns people of Newfoundland, like
health care, food. Nobody can afford to eat. It's a
little easier out here for us because we're off grid.
And if anybody can afford to go off grid and
start of life like that, it'll be a whole lot

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cheaper way to eat. It takes a little bit of
time at first, but people are hungry in this province.
And you know what did I hear correctly? I'm not
sure it was on VOCM that.

Speaker 11 (01:15:54):
For Christmas or having given away pet food.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
I know I didn't hear that correctly. You thought they
said they're giving away food for people downtown.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
It had to be that, was it? No, I think
that was on the morning show here on VOCM. I
was only half listening as I try to prepare for
my own show.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
But I think I was who I was whole listening
and the impression that I got that, uh, well, what's
going on in the province with seniors, homelessness? People living
on the streets, can't afford to eat, can't afford their light,
build can't afford anything. Like people are just a step

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away from, uh being no different than the you know
than everyone downtown that's walking around and trying to find
a church to get something to eat or somewhere to sleep.
And Sherry Gamma Walch, you forgot all that when you
got in politics, Darling, you forgot that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Wasn't her call about the nurse practitioner program and or
well you know what, it was bad.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
And other things that you know what, Well, absolutely that
was the problem. Well, you know what, go ahead and
come out of the woodwork. You're just a little shy
too late. I'm getting to the front line and taking.

Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
Care of this problem.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Now we're in a spiral. What are we going to
do now?

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Like we're a hopeless man, this province is hopeless person.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
I thought I'd never.

Speaker 9 (01:17:22):
Say it, and I just came home.

Speaker 6 (01:17:24):
I'm back in this problem a year.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
What a scary place, I said. Twenty five years ago,
I left them, went away, started going away, and I
came back and I'm is this really what we are now?
I don't know, Patty, but I just had to offload
today because when I and all of a sudden the
PCs are in. Let's give them a chance. But you

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can't do any worse than they did for a decade,
for ten years?

Speaker 6 (01:17:52):
What did they do?

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
Name one good thing they did? And I'll never call
your show again, I swear to Almighty God never. I
can't name thing I can tell you. World War two
and where we were two ten years ago, it's hopeless, sad, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
A couple of things. So the Nurse Practitioner program, I'm
trying to recall the ins and outs of the conversation.
It was an update as to the program that was
structured by the past government. Where are we in implementing it?
And then I think the next thing in regarding healthcare
was returning what is now urgent care at the Whitburn
Hospital to full time emergency care.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
And people, can you know exactly why, Patty, why you
had lots of time, you had ten years to do
to do this.

Speaker 6 (01:18:38):
Now that you're not in power.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Now it'll be all we know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
It's going to be kicked for cat Tota party line.
That's what she's done since she's been there, and a
lot more. They had the opportunity. Hogan had the opportunity.
I can go on and go back through the ears.
They've all had the opportunity. They've wasted money trolling it
at these nurses.

Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
Why not hire nurses.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Why do we have to fly him in and fly
him around and put them up in the hotel and
pay for their vehicles, pay for their lodge And nobody
paid for my lodging at West I paid for everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
So where did you come back from?

Speaker 18 (01:19:15):
I came back from. The last place is Mooseja, Saskatchewan, Okay.
I worked in the oil fields in Fort McMurray and yeah,
well pretty much since I was seventeen years old, I've
been running back and forth, you know what I mean.
But for the but for the last twenty five years,
it's been in Saskatchewan, in Swift Current, Saskatchewan and Moosejaw.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
I worked for a paving company there. One of the
things I did was Bill Rhodes in the oil fields
home home setting and you know it's so scary. Like
I'm sixty years old. I'd like to have a doctor
and a dentist.

Speaker 9 (01:19:49):
Is that okay, Sherry?

Speaker 19 (01:19:51):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
Can I have a doctor and a dentist?

Speaker 11 (01:19:53):
Please?

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
I have a couple of questions for you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
He's had a doctor for my partner, Patricia had a
doctor for twenty five years in Mary's town. Her doctor
just retired. Guess who she's got now she's in the
same boat as me. And she had a doctor for
twenty five years, Cherry. Did you hear what I said, Cherry?
Twenty five years she had a doctor and now she
doesn't have one.

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
That's about it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Patty, buddy, listen, keep up the good work, and I
promise I won't tow any party lines.

Speaker 6 (01:20:25):
I don't care who they are. Whoever's there, do your job.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Thank you, Glenn. If you need to travel for a dentist,
there's a dental clinic and Caligorys that's accepting new patients.
I know that's a little ways away from it, but
it's called Concept Dental. They called us, so we're passing
that along to you, and that is awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
I knew if I called you I get something because
that's who you are, man.

Speaker 6 (01:20:47):
You are the people. You're the people's voice, Patty Daily.
Don't forget it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
I knew you went when you were at Rogers.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
Oh that's not you remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
I do remember that studio. They were good days for a.

Speaker 6 (01:20:59):
While back in the day.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
You've come a long ways and you're our voice. And
I believe that wholeheartedly that together as a bunch, we
can do a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Well, a lot needs to get done. Just a very
quick question, I'm looking for a doctor. Have you and
this is not perfect, but it's the only real pathway
to finding primary care is to get on Patient Connect.
Have you signed up? You and your wife?

Speaker 6 (01:21:22):
I am, I've signed up.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
I haven't heard anything. I think it's six months since
I signed up and I haven't heard a word.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Yeah, it took me eleven months. But it's from signing
up to getting a doctor, which I'm really quite pleased
with now that I have one, and I didn't have
a doctor for us two decades.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
For us, we're off grid here in Saint Joso, so
for me it's not a big deal. If I go
to the doctor or not. The go online it would
be perfect for us. So there's lots of easy ways.
If the government to look at implementing this, there's no
reason why we all can't go online, get a doctor,

(01:21:56):
get a prescription. Not going to go into it another day, Patty,
when I have time to digest today, And Sherry, Gavin Walsh,
you're a little too late. If you want to take
some advice, I would resign right away, and maybe some

(01:22:17):
of your colleagues also, because you're never getting back in
New Philanders. This is twenty twenty five. We're not dummies anymore.
You can't fool us, you can't hoodwink us.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Thanks, Patty, I appreciate your time. Glenn, good luck, no worries, brother,
okay man, bye bye. All right, let's see here. Let's
take a break, don't go aiet. Welcome back to the show.
Let's go line number two. Daniel, you're on the air.

Speaker 12 (01:22:46):
Good money, sir, hope you real today?

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
I'm well? Thanks? How about you?

Speaker 12 (01:22:50):
Good good Listen, mister Dailey. You don't have to ship
to you know, a smuggle tobacco anymore. You can order
it online for twenty dollars accurtain.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Yeah, there's a couple of sites that I'm familiar with,
Select Smokes, or Smokes Canada to the two that I've
heard of before.

Speaker 12 (01:23:06):
Yeap, okay, yeah, I haven't got much to say. If
I could say one more thing, be okay, Yeah, listen.
Mark Carney was campaigning his first visit over in Victoria,
British Columbia in April. He said that all these pensioners
was going to get five percent and the free parks

(01:23:26):
at that time. Did you hear anything about it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Just just can you repeat yourself? Sorry, I just want
to make sure I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 12 (01:23:34):
Yeah, he said on his campaign trail. You know that
he was given to always pensioners if he gets in
five percent rays and you know, free parks right at
federal parks.

Speaker 11 (01:23:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
I can't remember the name of that campaign, but that's
available to more than seniors.

Speaker 11 (01:23:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
It's access to the national parks and via rail and
there's some other stuff involved with that too. I'd have
to look it up because I can't remember all the
different things there. See if I can find it, because
that's that's absolutely thing.

Speaker 12 (01:24:05):
Okay, then okay, mister Daley, I'll just listen on. I
guess see what's having.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
I appreciate your time, okay, thank you very much. Welcome Daniel,
bye bye. Yeah. So what he's referring to there is
what they call Canada Strong Pass. So what it provides
is admission to over an eighty parks Canada places for
twelve months. You can get it online and it's a
real cut cost stuff. So the cost varies dependent if
you're a child, or you apply as a family, or

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you're a senior and for those who are seventeen or
under it's free. And so there's a bunch of different
things there via rail, access to parks and the like,
and it expires at the end of this year. Pretty sure. Anyway,
let's keep going line number three, Ken, you are on.

Speaker 6 (01:24:47):
The air, good morning morning.

Speaker 9 (01:24:52):
I was walking down the road to pick a few
groceries up and I had my phone went on listening
to you and you mentioned control. No, the first thing
I have to say is that I don't think there
needs to be government interventioned in the private sector. However,
prior to what I heard you say you be talking

(01:25:14):
about rent control. I was listening to one of your colleagues.
They were doing an interview with a big manager or
whatever at Bridges Tool and they've been servicing the community
for some thirty years, and they said, for the first
time ever, they've got people in their seventy depending on

(01:25:35):
their services like food banks. Even they're even at their
shelters because they're getting Like you said this morning, you said,
people are getting the three months notice because landlords are
wanting to renovate and stuff like that so they can
make more money. Now, I don't know, you mentioned several movements.

(01:25:57):
You mentioned several provinces where rent control is working, okay,
to start with that three months window, okay, and when
you move into apartment generally signing like a year's least
or something like that. So is it possible, you know,
in the event of government invention intervention rather that landlords

(01:26:21):
must give tenants not three months notice to get out
but a year.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Anything's possible because it's regulated by legislation. So yeah, that's
where the rules fall. And then you know, there's appeal board.
The Residential Tendency Act governs the whole concept of rent
and being a lad lord out at tenant. Then there's
tendency tribunals for appeals what have you. But you know,
government intervention is an interesting way to put it because
government kind of intervenes in a lot of stuff, but

(01:26:52):
rent control, I just think it's worthy conversation here because
it's not only the vacancy rate, which is woefully low,
it's around one cent in the city, but the cost
for renterers is absolutely out of control. Like if you
were able to scrimp and say for down payment on
the house, your monthly mortgage payment on a regular four
hundred thousand dollars bungalow would be less than many people

(01:27:15):
are paying to rent two or three better munits. So
that's where I think the rent conversation regarding affordability can
possibly have a bit more of a conversation about rent control.
And it's not hamstringing landlords necessarily. Look they could be
floating target. It's Ontario two and a half percent, Manitoba
three percent, Prince Edward Island about one point five percent,
So it happens elsewhere. A good examination of what it

(01:27:37):
meant for controlling rent and what it meant for maybe
throwing cold water on developers. I just think it's worthwhile
looking around and seeing how it is working elsewhere.

Speaker 9 (01:27:46):
Well, Patty, I can tell you the truth here now.
Like a friend of mine that I knew for years
in Melburta. She lives in Lloyd, Munster, and she is
a senior now and she ran ered a two big
room apartment for nine hunderd dollars a month. Now, try
to find a two bedroom apartment anywhere in Newfoundland for

(01:28:09):
nine hundred dollars a month.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Yeah, I'm not really that familiar with some rent outside
of the northeast Avalon. Well, I guess in Gander because
I have a kid, a child that lives in Gander.
But just going around and looking at some of the
rental opportunities, Like I know people who own rental units
and they'll say, of course someone will move out of
maybe one of the basement apartments, and they put it
up on say Facebook, marketplace or wherever. And if they

(01:28:34):
put it up at two o'clock, they got fifty people
want to see it by five o'clock. So it's obviously
a big issue, and people are willing to take what
they get, even if the price or the cost is
just exorbitant compared to what it was even just say
five years ago.

Speaker 9 (01:28:49):
You know right now, like I three years ago, I
was looking for a place to live then, well, I
wasn't necessarily looking for an apartment I'm willing to go
with the shriff accommodation. But even people renting rooms now,
they're getting so many calls that they're having viewing viewing,

(01:29:09):
like like a real estate agent well put out of
viewing for to invite people in to look at you
know what I'm saying, right, not just to rent a
room that was unheard of, not that long ago, where
you didn't have that you had to be they got.
They get so many calls that they can't even have

(01:29:29):
any interviews with people over the phone or anything anymore.
We're having a viewing this coming Saturday, just to look
at a room for rent.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Absolutely, You're right. The pressure is extremely serious for so
many people, not only individuals looking to rent to Rome,
but young families. And I heard all the time. I mean,
if people only knew how many issues we deal with
off air, they'd be shocked. I would think, can anything
else before I have to go to the news break?

Speaker 9 (01:29:59):
Well, I don't know, but myself, you know, like I'm
under I'm in a position where I could be losing
my spot to live here next summer. I don't know.
I don't know if I'm going to look for a place.
I think I'll just moved back to Alberta, where my
chancers are finding not being almost rather is a lot

(01:30:20):
better than Newfoundland.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
What part of Alberta would you move to.

Speaker 9 (01:30:25):
I would probably move back to Lloydminster.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
Straddle the border with Saskatchewan.

Speaker 9 (01:30:31):
Well, well, I lived there for six years already, so
I drove to have there and whatnot all so I
know the town pretty well, right, I mean, I spent
over the course of my life. I spent most of
my adult life in Alberta. A few years ago, I
decided to move back home, and I had no problem
with living in Alberta, et cetera, that extreme cold, but anyway,

(01:30:53):
I was never I don't know any about homeless or
never having trouble to find a spot to live. And
I might not get what I want, but itake something
temporarily and stuff like that, So I don't know, you know,
So my question our seniors in Newfoundland going to have

(01:31:14):
to move out because they can't find the spot to rent,
because that rent that's gotten to damn greedy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
I don't know if I can answer that general question,
but I think the red squeeze is hitting virtually every
age demographic. Ken I appreciate making time for the show.
I'm late for the news, but you're always welcome.

Speaker 9 (01:31:34):
Ry, Thanks, Patty your.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Two pell bye bye, all right, just gonna break, so Goquieck.

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Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Welcome back. Let's go to line number one. Tracy, you're
on the air.

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
Hi, Patty and her?

Speaker 10 (01:32:01):
Are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
I'm okay, how about you?

Speaker 19 (01:32:04):
I'm good things, Patty, I'm calling. I'm wondering if you've
had much feedback on that app that Canada Post that
requires us to use to send things internationally, name it
to the US, zonos or zonos.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
We haven't I know what it is, but we haven't
had any feedback, necessarily on air. No tell us about
your experience.

Speaker 19 (01:32:23):
Okay, Well, I went to use like everyone else in
news when you have family and friends all over God's
Green ears, send things to the UK, no problem. Went
to send something to the US, where I was told
by the representative that Canada Post at my depot. Well,
you know, you have to get this app. So okay,
I go and get the app. So it was all

(01:32:44):
said and done. To send a four inch by four
inch package, they wanted me to pay forty nine to
ninety five and that's for a four inch by four
inch package.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Well, boy, that's pretty dear, and.

Speaker 19 (01:33:01):
They wonder why people And then of course this is
like four inches. It's it's you know, a little teeny
tiny Christmas present. And so I'm okay, I'm not paying that.
I'll do it through Amazon, so I'll send my Christmas cards.
To send a Christmas card to the US, it came

(01:33:21):
out to almost eighteen dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
And they wonder why people are struggling to want to
use their service. So just so people know what we're
talking about, the application that Tracy's talk about is z
o Nos. It's a pretty pay app, you know. The
only convenient thing about it now, obviously it's pretty expensive
as you describe for a four inch by four inch package,
but it does do the customers declaration as well as

(01:33:47):
a tracking device and calculates all the duties. So that
sounds like a good customer friendly but it does come
with a pretty hefty cost.

Speaker 14 (01:33:57):
A very have to cost prior to this.

Speaker 19 (01:33:58):
I think this came an effect at the end of
August from what I could find out.

Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
Prior to the end of August.

Speaker 19 (01:34:04):
I mean, I'm I can send things to Scotland cheaper.
My family is Scottish by no by origin kind of things,
so you know, you're sending things back and forth. Prior
to this app I was sending things to the States,
probably seventeen eighteen dollars, you know, a box and paying
maybe four to five dollars for a card. And then
but then at the same time, you know, yeah, it's

(01:34:26):
convenient and that's wonderful, But I mean for a four
inch by four inch box, like fifty bucks, not a chance. No,
this is why people have, you know, little to no
sympathy because right now, you know, I mean I have
friends and family or in the States who are not
getting their Christmas presents because in addition to what I've
already spent, I don't have that fifty dollars to shove

(01:34:48):
a four inch by four inch box in the mail.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
No, and this was just regular posts. This wasn't even
like expedited or overnight or anything like that. This was
just standard put it in the mail.

Speaker 19 (01:34:56):
You know, it was a standard shove in the mail
worth your well to download it, get a box and
do some of the measurements. For example, you know Christmas
cards come in different shapes and sizes. If your Christmas
card falls with it falls beyond I think it's like
maybe a four by six or something, they.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Classify it as a parcel.

Speaker 19 (01:35:19):
So then of course that you know, if you have
a five to five seven Christmas card per SAE, they
will classify it as a parcel, and that six or
seven dollars card it works out to a whole.

Speaker 10 (01:35:29):
Lot more money.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Do you happen to know the origins of zonos? I mean,
I know the regulation has changed on the American side
regarding prepaid duty? Is that the reason? Or do you
know any more about NAT?

Speaker 19 (01:35:43):
I don't know any more about it. I even, you know,
when I was at my depot here in Bay Roberts,
I even said to them, look is there another app?
Like is there something you know a little cheaper that
I could use? And number one, they weren't very friendly.
And now I'm doing more, it has to be that app.
So I'm like, that's okay, I'm going to go home.

(01:36:03):
And the things that I had purchased for a friends
and family way, they'll just come to friends and family locally.
And you know, unfortunately, I'll be using Amazon because at
least with Amazon it's you know, a minimal shipping price,
or if you like me and you have Amazon Prime,
it's free shipping for most things.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Yeah, I'm trying to listen and think at the same
time regarding what changed there. So someone obviously someone's going
to correct me if I'm wrong here. So I think
there's a regulatory change. Where it used to be if
I send something to the United States, the recipient would
pay the duty, right because someoneould come to your door
and or you get something in your boxes, they have
to go to the post office and then they say, okay,

(01:36:44):
the duty is X. But now I think the center
pays all the duties, right, which is why we've seen
such an increase.

Speaker 19 (01:36:50):
Yeah, the ceners pay the sender's paying all the duties.
For example, you know, I'll put a box in the
mail this morning for Scotland, and you know it was
a six by six box. This theme came like twenty
five dollars, that was it. Whereas you know, a little
four by four bucks going to the us going to Chicago.
It was like forty nine ninety five or something, and
I'm going I didn't Number one, I didn't pay.

Speaker 10 (01:37:12):
That for the present.

Speaker 19 (01:37:14):
Number two, like, you know, there were no expedited you know, policies.
It was still going to be the same standard policies.
It would take you know, seven to ten business days
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
And I'm like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 11 (01:37:27):
So you know.

Speaker 19 (01:37:28):
Number one, it hurts the shop locally because now it's
one thing to shop locally. But if you want to
buy these things to send it elsewhere, the cost is
through the roof, especially if you're you know, if you
have friends or family that are abroad, for example, you
know us per se.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
It turned.

Speaker 19 (01:37:46):
I'm like, nah, that's okay. I'll just use Amazon Prime
and I will order my things on Amazon Prime, pay
my free shipping, and they'll still get their Christmas cards.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Fair Enough, people will look for the deal, and I'm
pretty sure this all boiled to who pays the duties
when we're talk about the United States. Pretty sure I'll
have to look into it.

Speaker 19 (01:38:03):
Little pretty much from what I could gather, you know,
I mean from what I can gather. I mean, I've
sent things to Germany, I've sent things to Scotland and
I've never had an issue, and this morning I'm like,
you know, just it was like, well over one hundred
and fifty bucks aer cent three things.

Speaker 10 (01:38:17):
Where were to do it?

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
Yeah, there'll be people on the other end not getting
Christmas cards or gifts, I suppose if that's the duty
in the packaged cost.

Speaker 19 (01:38:26):
Yeah, not a chance, you know. I mean, I'll take
my chances in order things through Amazon Prime. Like I said,
at least with Amazon Prime. Not all things, but most
things are free shipping, and you know, you get your
estimated arrival date, you get your tracking number, the same
as you would through Canada Post.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Absolutely, it's probably helpful tidbits of advice there for those
who are yet to put their gifts into the mail,
whether it be through courier, Amazon Prime or Canada Post,
especially if we're talking about the United States being the destination.
I appreciate you talking about this this morning, Tracy. Anything
else you'd like to say, No, that's.

Speaker 19 (01:38:59):
Fire a wonderful job, and I listened to you regularly.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
I appreciate that, and I appreciate your time this morning.
Take care you too, Bye bye bye bye. Yeah? Is
that what changed? I'm pretty sure right the Americans changed
two pays the duty because in the past, and we've
all experienced it, There'll be a package delivered that you
have to go to the post office or over the
shoppers what have you, and they'll tell you, well, there's
X required for the duty and you pay it. But

(01:39:23):
I believe it used to be the Americans paid the duty.
Now the center pays the duty. If I'm wrong, someone
is guaranteed going to set me straight. Let's get a
break in. Joan, you're next to talk about seniors. Don't
go away. Welcome back to the program. Let's go to
line number six and good morning to you. Joan, you're
on the air.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 10 (01:39:41):
Money just reading is I don't know if it's a
scam or what, but it's from.

Speaker 17 (01:39:48):
CRA and it's said that seniors are getting eight dollard
and forty four dollars a one time payment being automatically.

Speaker 20 (01:39:57):
Deposited on November eight team to the twenty fifth.

Speaker 10 (01:40:02):
This was posted six days ago.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Yeah, there's no confirmed CIRA payment that I'm aware of
for seniors this month, or it would have been last
month anyway, because that's what was floating around I'm not
so sure if that's a real thing or not.

Speaker 20 (01:40:19):
To be honest with you, Yeah, I went to the
CPP website, right, and that's where I start.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Yeah, I mean, actually I suppose I could have a
little closer look here to the okay, well maybe this okay,
are seniors getting extra extra money twenty twenty five in Canada?
A complete guide and this looks like a reputable website.
Good news on the rise for Willion's Canading seniors. The
federal government's confirmed that an extra payment of eight hundred
and forty four dollars will be issued in twenty twenty

(01:40:48):
five to help bertaries manage higher living costs. This comes
as a part of a top up of CPP and oas.
So I guess it's simply a top up. Nothing you
have to apply for or do anything.

Speaker 17 (01:41:00):
That's right, Yep, so remains to be seen.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
It looks like it is, so, I mean, this is
a site that I've used in the past and I
haven't found it to be anything but accurate, but apparently
this month and so if you're set up a director posit,
you'll get it. And if you're set up just to
get simply get it mailed, you will get it and
now I will confirm at the very next opportunity here.
But it looks like it's a thing direct deposit between

(01:41:24):
the eighteenth and November the twenty fifth. Paper checks may
arrive early December twenty twenty five. How about that.

Speaker 17 (01:41:31):
Yeah, that would be great for me.

Speaker 20 (01:41:34):
My husband was just rear in it then by a
hit and run drive run on them.

Speaker 17 (01:41:40):
Hold nothing from the insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
Oh when did this happen?

Speaker 17 (01:41:45):
The twenty seven of at all.

Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
We're in on Fox for Access Road.

Speaker 17 (01:41:49):
He's seventy nine years.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Old, right, and there was no witnesses or no nobody
saw anything and can help you out identify who rear
ended your husband?

Speaker 17 (01:42:00):
Nope, this was S three clatt in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
Yeah, that's brutal. What are people like?

Speaker 17 (01:42:09):
Yeah, anyway, thank you for your time.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
I appreciate yours. Jones, thank you. I have a good
day you too, Bye bye. Yeah. Now, I will, as
I said to Joan, I'll make sure I go directly
to the source and make sure that that may indeed
be an accurate figure. But I just looked at two
different sites very quickly, and these are investment firms that
I've kind of used for information in the past, and

(01:42:33):
it looks like it might be a thing one time
payment reported some articles. I'll have to figure it out
when I get a second. Let's go to line number two,
Alex around the.

Speaker 13 (01:42:47):
Air, A very pleasant morning to yourself and mister Willim's
and all your stuff the same to you.

Speaker 9 (01:42:55):
Thank you.

Speaker 13 (01:42:55):
I just I certainly don't want to cause any controversy here.
My intention is to I just feel like I remember
saying to my girlfriend who's looking daggers.

Speaker 6 (01:43:08):
That year, careful what I say.

Speaker 13 (01:43:10):
Remember saying to her, you know, this particular MHA or
MP was extremely helpful to me in the past, and
I could end it up on the streets, and thank
god I didn't, thanks to them. And then I said, so,

(01:43:31):
we're both in the same situation right now, that's this year,
and we are going to end up on.

Speaker 6 (01:43:37):
The streets, which we did.

Speaker 13 (01:43:39):
And so I said, I think I know somebody might
be willing to help us with the present difficulty. And
that was miss Gambon Whist.

Speaker 6 (01:43:47):
But I believe I just heard a conversation and I thought,
you know, i'd just like to pick up for and and.

Speaker 13 (01:43:55):
Expressed my experience with them. And I do not know
her called this the second time over years, and we're
just little people. You know, we're no one of influence
or or you know, we have no means, And how
are you gonna add on the street?

Speaker 16 (01:44:14):
Done?

Speaker 13 (01:44:14):
And so I said, I'm going to give her a
call and you never know, maybe one of her support
staff er, Sony, might try to see if they can
help us out.

Speaker 6 (01:44:25):
But she's up.

Speaker 13 (01:44:25):
To my surprise, Miss Walsh herself called me almost right
away and she said, are you willing to let me
have the authority to advocate for yourself and the girlfriend there?
I said absolutely, which she did and solved our problem immediately.
And guess what, we're not living on the street. And
I just wanted to say, you know, she certainly got

(01:44:49):
her good size.

Speaker 6 (01:44:50):
I just wanted to let that be known.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
It's like most politicians, you know, right off the bat,
for so many people, as soon as somebody gets into
elected office, people just have this baked in mistrust of politicians.
And we know where that comes from. But regardless of
what party you represent, there's plenty of politicians out there
that are trying to do some good for some people.
Now some are just you know, riding coattails and doing

(01:45:15):
little to nothing, but there's plenty of them are trying.
Whether or not they accomplish what people are hoping for,
what people need is a different question. But not every
politician is a bad person, even though some people think
exactly that.

Speaker 13 (01:45:27):
An agree more more sure, Thanks so much for you, Donald,
just wanted to portray a different side of it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
I appreciate your time, Alex, thank you, great morning. You
know you too, bye bye.

Speaker 6 (01:45:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
And people hate to hear it, But not every politician
is rotten to the core right, you know, are some absolutely,
and it's pretty plain to see. You know. Probably one
of the worst things is that people who are novices
to the political game, they run through their campaign, they
get elected, and some of their very independent air or

(01:45:58):
independent flair goes by the wayside so quickly because the
world of party politics really doesn't allow for a whole
lot of independent thought, The world of whipped votes, the
world of party politics, of the world of party platforms
had no wiggle room available for many of their elected officials,
especially the newbies. It becomes a problem. Let's go to
line number four, Bernardine around the air.

Speaker 17 (01:46:22):
Hi, Patty, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Okay?

Speaker 17 (01:46:24):
You I'm going to my apologies. I have a touch
of a cold, so I will keep you lying. I
was calling in relation to a story bocm Ran on
your website two days ago Jessic mccormy, then Federation of
Labor talking about the occupational health clinics and their advocacy
work in making the call again for such a thing

(01:46:47):
in our problems.

Speaker 4 (01:46:49):
For the record, just for the public.

Speaker 17 (01:46:52):
No, the Marystown Shipyard Family's Alliance is an incorporated group
representing occupational disease claims from the Marygstown Shipyard. We currently
represent one hundred and sixty injured workers from that fate,
and we can account for two hundred and twenty five
defeat members from that fate. Our advocacy started in two
thousand and six and we are a nonprofit group. I

(01:47:15):
can tell you unequivocally that since our inception in two
thousand and six, we have never had a relationship with
the Federation of Labor, either under LANDA. Payne, Mary Shortall
and Jessica McCormick. In fact, the opposite has been true.
They have never acknowledged our existence lit alone reach out

(01:47:35):
to us to interact in any way in any of
our our advocacy work and what we were striving to do.
We take great exception that she give the impression publicly
that she had made the call for occupational disease clinics
in this province, and if that's the case, it's news
to us. The Marriagetown Ship to our Famili's Alliance formally

(01:47:58):
presented to the Health of in twenty twenty two Sister
Davis at Lebernimas and doctor Parkery and gave them a
very detailed presentation as to what we expected representing injured
workers and what intate clinics or occupational disease clinics would
look like.

Speaker 9 (01:48:17):
What Ms McCormick.

Speaker 17 (01:48:21):
Explained in her news story on your website was that
these clinics. Her advocacy was for clinics that would help
injured workers navigate the system. I can tell you also
that the Federation of Labor has worked against us in
our advocacy and what we have seen is work that
goes against how we represent stick workers. The fact that

(01:48:45):
she would say that an intake clinic or occupational disease
clinic would be set up to help people navigate our
current system of representation of injured workers i e. Workplace
needs to land would be a continuation of what we
see as a bent Fits system and their participation in it.

(01:49:06):
They have done no advocacy work in the best workers,
specifically our group. Intake clinics are occupational disease clinics, as
we know from alcohol Ontario Health clinics from Ontario workers
are set up to first of all, diagnose injured workers

(01:49:27):
through the intake clinic process, which is a it's a
system of professionals i e. Occupational disease doctors, nurses, occupational hygienists,
epidemiologist and occupacial hygienists, toxicologists. The lists goes on what
she is describing doesn't even touch on that. Our idea

(01:49:51):
of an intake clinic given on the template from Ontario
is early intervention and detection, and she makes no she
makes no mention of that in her story, and that's
very concerning.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
For the record.

Speaker 17 (01:50:06):
Also in two thousand and two, landa Pain or Sorry
uniform national today Thaw at that time presently under landa Pain.
This time in two thousand and six on the buzz Hargrove,
their responsibility at tech time in two thousand and six
was to sit up an intake clinic for the Marystown
Shipyard Brookers, so that we could have in place exactly

(01:50:28):
what I just described, which would be early detection, early
intervention prevention, not what miss McCormick describes as come to
us when you're actually in the system, and will help
you navigate it, because that does not work. That is
a broken system. And the fact that she would advocate
for such a system is very very concerning to us

(01:50:48):
because it certainly gives the impression that she is okay
with the status quo, as also she indicated Doctor Parfrey,
doctor Popery also is in well advised of what we're doing,
very well advised the INTA clinic that he discussed in

(01:51:09):
twenty twenty two in our presentation. We've never had any
contact regarding him in that CoNEXT since. And if there's
something in the works in our province under the participation
of at least the Federation of Labor and Doctor Popery,
after's something that we don't know about, and we can
say that missus McCormick's story is a very big red

(01:51:33):
flag and we have some serious concerns as to what
these people order accomplices or the cohorts having place or
are working on a project. If there's an announcement coming.
We are very concerned. We have been a standalone advocacy

(01:51:55):
group in this province, Patty, and you are well aware
that we are not affiliated with any other group per
organization right down from the National Union, to Federation of Labor,
to the Canadian Labor Congress to every entity in this
province has not recognized our group.

Speaker 5 (01:52:12):
And I.

Speaker 9 (01:52:16):
Go ahead, I question.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
No, that's okay, I am late for the news. But
what I was going to say is we're due to
invite Jessica McCormick back on the show. That's just now
newly re elected to her position at the Federation Labor,
and this can be part of the conversation we have
with her. And if you want to send me along
a bullet point email with some of your concerns inside
what constitutes red Flag, I'll be happy to incorporate it.
How's that berting?

Speaker 17 (01:52:38):
That sounds good, Patty, and I would actually us that's
a good starting point publicly, and I think that I
hope it certainly opens the doors to other groups, certainly
doctor Parfrey and any other group in this province that
has taken the occupational disease footprints in this province. We are,
we represent the people. We are, the people, our families are.

(01:53:02):
We're personally attached to this and the fact that after
twenty years that we don't have a seat at the
table when every other group fits together and makes decisions
about our families, our loved ones, and we have no say.

Speaker 16 (01:53:18):
We will not.

Speaker 17 (01:53:18):
Continue after twenty years to stand for that situation. And
Jessic McCormick would be the one to get it started.
But we're asking for every or place, need for land,
occupation of health and safety, any other group, and especially
to the Atlanta Paine and the president of the National Union.
She has a role here. She has refused to help us.

(01:53:39):
And thank you, Patty. That's a great idea and we
look forward to hearing from Jessica McCormick and I will
certainly send you injury information.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Thank you very much, appreciate your time. Thank you have
a great much you too, Bye bye, all right, time
for the news. Don't go away about Tim Power Show.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
Join the Conversation weekday afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
Welcome back, Let's go line number one. Ruby, you're on
the air.

Speaker 20 (01:54:07):
Good morning, Patty morning. I just want to respond to uh,
mister Davis called Davis on his chat this morning on
the news. I want to give him, send him a
bouquet for the wonderful job that they're doing at the

(01:54:29):
Gathering Place. And I know firsthand because I do street
outreach and I spend a lot of time down on
the perking lot of the gathering Place helping people, and
they do a lot of good for those people. And
when they complain and say that they're bird, I agree

(01:54:53):
with mister Davis. There is a reason, and a good reason.
You cannot go in and push around or curse on
them and be nasty to them and expect to be
able to get good service. And if you deal with
some of those street people, you would understand what I'm

(01:55:13):
saying because I've been doing this now for through nearly
three years, and I have never had an issue with
anybody at the gathering Place or any of the residents
going to the gathering place. Nothing only good. So I
kind of think if you give a good art, you

(01:55:34):
get a good art back. And I want to send
a big bouquet to the Gathering Place. All the staff.
I find them very very good and.

Speaker 9 (01:55:45):
They're very good to everybody that go there.

Speaker 20 (01:55:47):
As far as I'm concerned and fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Look, I mean places like the gathering Place, with a
full suite of services they offer. It's never going to
be perfect. It's a very tricky group of clientele, very
complex societal issues. But from where I sit and where
I stand and the things I've heard, they're doing what
a lot of other organizations counter won't. So I'll put
it that way.

Speaker 20 (01:56:11):
And you're exactly right, because from a pier of socks
or a peer underwear, put it whatever way you want,
up to a winter's coat and a hat plus a
bed pluck meals. Now, they can't do it for everybody
because they only have a certain capacity.

Speaker 4 (01:56:30):
But there's very few people.

Speaker 20 (01:56:32):
Walk away without a meal. I don't know anyone. Even
if they're burned from the gathering place, somebody goes and
picks up a meal for them. So they are providing
an excellent service. And if Saint John's didn't have that service,
it would be very very very different and just be

(01:56:56):
a lot more only people, no.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
Question about it. I mean, just look at how the
number of people who rely on the gathering place. That
number has grown exponentially, so consequently, so as the operating
budget I mean they've just created an otherwise as a
thirty nine bed shelter that adds to the shelter system here.
So again, it might not be perfect, but in a
world of imperfection, they're certainly putting forward a good effort.

(01:57:19):
I can put it that way. I mean, I don't
know all the ins and outs of the operations at
the Gathering Place, but I know full well that even
if you look at the numbers of people that rely
on them, it has grown so quickly, so dramatically, that
I would imagine they're having a hard time keeping up.

Speaker 20 (01:57:34):
Well, I've been going down there for nearly three years,
and let me tell you the new paces that you
see every day. And I mean it's not by the
month or by the week, it's by the day that
you see new faces, whether they've been encourage rated and
they're coming out with nowhere to go, or they had

(01:57:54):
to lose their house served apartments because say, hey couldn't
afford to pay it. Where do they end up? Ninety
percent of them end up at the Gathering Place, and
somebody's got to help them. And I know I gather clothes,
I gather food snacks, I gather things from friends and acquaintances,

(01:58:15):
and I help those people not only at the gathering
place parking lot, but on the streets as well. And
it's a very sad situation out there, let.

Speaker 17 (01:58:26):
Me tell you.

Speaker 20 (01:58:27):
And without the gathering place, I don't know where all
those people would go. That gets three meals a day
right now at the gathering place and a place to
go inside and sit and talk and get counseling and
get whatever they're getting. It is one big buquet that
they need. And I think the people that are sitting

(01:58:50):
and saying some of those nasty things should do what
I'm doing a little bit and they would see the
good that's coming out of the gathering place.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
It's easy to comment from Afar that one is for sure. Roby.
I appreciate your time this morning and the work you're
doing down and around the gathering place. Thanks a lot,
Thank you so much. You're welcome. Bye bite quick glraification.
Not so sure that eight p forty four coming this
month is a real thing from Cira. I had another

(01:59:22):
little look around. I got an email from a contact
I have at the federal level, so I don't think
it's a thing. So don't hang your Christmas present shopping
money on it. Let's take our final break of the morning.
Let me come back. Jason's there to talk about in control.
Don't go away, Welcome back to the program. Let's go
line number two. Jason around the are.

Speaker 14 (01:59:39):
Hey good?

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
Not too bad? It's all how about you?

Speaker 14 (01:59:43):
Oh up?

Speaker 6 (01:59:43):
Too bad? But I just wanted to call in and
put some a little bit of insight on this. You know,
the cost of bank in the greater Saint John's area there.
You know, I'm hearing a lot of things about landlords
and different things like that chart, and you know this
crazy amount of rent. I mean, but I mean what

(02:00:04):
a lot of people got to understand is too the
amount of rent that people are charging is very closely
tied to your economy. The mortgage rates, the prices around
Like for example, today, to go build a two apartment
home will run you anywhere between five hundred to six
hundred thousand. That's what they are now to have a

(02:00:26):
fully finished two apartment home. So I mean, even to
break even on that kind of property, you're looking at
twenty five hundred for upstairs and maybe twelve for downstairs.
And you're lucky to break even on that petty and
you're not making no money monthly, and like you know,

(02:00:47):
the cost of repairs and appliances and all this, Like
it's not like it was years ago where you could
buy rental and make it a little bit every month.

Speaker 2 (02:00:53):
That's gone now, right, And of course let's just elaborate
on that. So there's no question. So if you're trying
to build a to apartment home, just pick a square
footage twelve hundred, so it's in and around about three
hundred bucks a square foot these days.

Speaker 6 (02:01:12):
I would say yeah, I would say you're probably close
on the.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
Area, okay, And you know, if you build a new
rental then of course the initial return on investment takes
quite a long time, no doubt about it. I think
where the problem becomes bigger for most is that when
other landlords see the prices on what are really good
quality apartments, relatively new, renovated, clean, all of that, it's

(02:01:35):
the other rentals which are maybe a little bit more dingy,
and they're thirty years old and there's been very little
upkeep in the kitchen from nineteen seventy five, and it's
the same rent for that two bedroom as it is
for the relatively new in the East then close the
public transportation. You know my point, right, it's not every
rentals created equal, I think is part of the problem.

Speaker 6 (02:01:54):
Yes, we're saying I see what you're saying there, and
that totally makes sense. I'll just wanted to put it
out there that like when you do see a newer
home that was built in the last two or three
years and you see it off for twenty five hundred
or twenty three hundred, right, that landlord, that landlord is
not the out That landlord actually is taking a huge
risk because he's just breaking even at the end of

(02:02:15):
the month, and you got to pay taxes on that
income that he did make even though he's not making
any surplus every month. You know, it's a long term investment.
I understand that, But he's paying taxes on what he
did make to pay off them to try to pay
the mortgage. So I mean any less than that, he's
losing money every month. If you understand what I'm saying,

(02:02:36):
I do.

Speaker 2 (02:02:37):
I mean in their past life, we look at properties
and consider them for whether it be a flip or
consider them for a rental. And if you look at
it property that maybe some one of us would consider
fifteen years ago and the exact same square footage house
of the exact same vintage. Even the concept of a
flip or to turn it into rental is lost.

Speaker 6 (02:02:58):
It's just not there, no exactly one hundred percent. I
mean the market now is from you know, as you know,
from five to ten years. You know, it's not double,
but it's not you know, it's probably not far off
in some aspects. So it's like, you know, I just
want to put it out there for anyone that's renting
and almost tough right now. But it's not always the

(02:03:18):
land Not all landlords are out there to gouge and
try and rip people off. You know. Some people just
look at it as a legitimate business and follow what
the market should be. But sometimes reflecting what I mean,
I used two apartment. Now that that's twenty years old,
it's four hundred thousand, and because there's not enough houses

(02:03:38):
on the market, those houses are going for probably four
fifty you know, thirty forty fifty thousand above asking because
the way the economy is now, often people starting out
now need almost need a two apartment to survive. A
four hundred thousand dollar luggage or four fifty starting out,
So the demand is there, and it's huge. So that's
also driving the prices of renked up. So just rank

(02:04:00):
control is not the full answer for this. You know,
you got to reflect your economy and the mortgage prices
and the interest rates all that comes into effect.

Speaker 2 (02:04:10):
Right, Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. You know, it's
like most things in this world, the bad landlord or
the slim landlord, they get the headlines, and so it
seeps into people's sunkey is that all landlords are created
the same. It's not true, just like not all rentals
are created the same. And that's where sort of the
conversation loses some of its nuance that it's probably required

(02:04:31):
for an ECUD portrayal of what's actually happening out there.
And you're mentioning the two bettermunit. If you can see
a too better remunit on the market in Saint John's
for statdays, they're extremely rare and fifty OVERSK. Man, if
you get one from fifty over ask, you robbed it,
because I hear these kind of units going for eighty
overask ninety overask, which is wild.

Speaker 6 (02:04:53):
Yeah, one hundred percent, Patty, And look, I said, I
just wanted to point it out there, just to give
the public some information, like some of the election on
some of the numbers, like yeah, it's a crazy amount
of money for some of the rent out there for now,
for sure. But it's good to sit back for a
second and look at the numbers and say, you know, yeah,
that I was his fifteen twenty years old. That guy
is going to have to put a new roofound soon.
He's gonna have to do this, and he's going to

(02:05:14):
have to do that, and he paid four fifty four.
So you know, you know, in an ideal world, what
do I think a three bedroom upstairs should should be
charged for? Maybe thirteen hundred a month, But it's a
thousand more than that now because of our economy and
the world we're living in right now. So I just
wanted to, you know, just let people know that, you know,
the word the numbers come into effect there and it's

(02:05:38):
not all just gouging, you.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
Know, And I think that's fair. And you know, in
this conversation of rent control, if it ever actually happens
in this province, you know, to look at predictable input
increases over the course of the year. So if the
number is two percent or three percent, and then floating targets,
caveats for unexpected expenses and whatnot, where landlords can you know,
go through the channels that are already in place for exemptions, like,

(02:06:02):
for instance, if there's a storm which requires some immediate
out of pocketing expenses, if there's some sort of seismic
movement interest rates, if there's something that complicates there predicted
twelve month inputs. I think things like that can create
a hybrid system. We're not getting the too complicated where
it just becomes some unwieldy behemoth of bureaucracy. But I
think there's a conversation to be had, you know. And

(02:06:24):
once again, I think looking at other provinces BC in
particular is a good case study because when we're talking
about population growth and rent control and whether or not
that puts cold water on the developers plans to build rentals,
it'd be nice to know how it's been working elsewhere.
If it's proven to be an exercise of futility, just
a political optical experience, then maybe we just shag it

(02:06:44):
and never talk about it again. But I don't think
we've even had a real conversation about that in this
province as of yet. And It's probably more Northeast Ablin
conversation than anything else as well, which makes it even
more tricky to talk about.

Speaker 6 (02:06:56):
I suppose, yeah, like you said, and like I wouldn't
be totally in spring some kind of rent control. But
like you said, it all has to be. It all
has to be. There's so many variables that that has
to be tied to, you know what I mean, for
both for both parties, oppositely and Lawrence and tendons, right.
But yeah, I just want to put that out there, Patty.

(02:07:16):
You know it's it's not just an expensive world for renters.
Here is also expensive world for homeowners right now. So
I just want to relay that message.

Speaker 2 (02:07:24):
Oh don't I know what the glory of home ownership
is fleeting?

Speaker 6 (02:07:29):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:07:30):
I appreciate your time, Jason, thanks a lot, come by. Yeah,
which is why I tried to couch it in so
far as it's a conversation that has only had, you know,
the scratch of the surface, no real detailed understanding of
both sides of the equation that would be input costs
and carry costs and unexpected expenses versus simply just to

(02:07:53):
focus on how much it costs for the renter because
it is. You know, I don't like to be a
both sides guy, But in things like this where there
are actually two parties in the exact same conversation, then
an examination of how could work. And I think that's
the key is just what it means for the rent
or But if rent control has proven to be problematic

(02:08:14):
for developers and maybe they just overplay their cards and
they'll use it as an excuse as opposed to even
just the cost construction and try to hit the affordability target.
That's not as simple as it sounds. Even in the
world of build Canada homes and all the rest of it.
We can build them. Whether or not people can afford
them is another thing. And I think rent is a
vastly different conversation than my mortgage payment because my home

(02:08:37):
is worth exactly what someone's willing to pay for it
rental and the competitive marketplace, I think makes it a
slightly different albeit in the same same church. Different pew.
All right, good show today, Big Tanks to all hands.
We will indeed pick up this conversation again tour morning
right here on VOCM and big Land FM's Open Line.
Behalf of the producer David Williams. I'm your host, Patty Daily.

(02:08:57):
Have yourself a safe, fun, happy day. We'll talk to
the money. Bye bye

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