Thursday Oct 23rd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line Call seven oh nine two seven,
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
so much for tuning into the program. It's Thursday, October
the twenty third. This is Open Line. I'm your host
Patty Daily. David Williams, he's produced the program. We are
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eighty six twenty six. So just one more sleep before
we get the game one of the World Series, where
the Toronto Blue Jays, for the first time thirty two years,
will be taken on the super steady Los Angeles Dodgers.
All right, just a couple of interesting ones regarding the Series.

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So for Danny baseball bench cos Don Mattingley with the
Toronto Blue Jays. He's been in Major League Baseball since
nineteen eighty two. He spent fourteen years as a player,
twelve as a manager, seventeen as a coach. After forty
years in the Major's first time going to the World Series.
And it's a fascinating look at it. The word the
Yankees lost the World Series the year before Mattinglee broke
into the big leagues. They won the World Series the

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first year he retired, so he was sandwiched on either end.
But back to or into the World Series for the
first time for Mattingly, and people say, what are you
talking about? The Jays? No one cares. Well, apparently Canadians
do care. So let's see here the ALCS Game seven,
the most watched Blue Jays game ever on Sports That average,
six million viewers tuned in to watch the game. The
game culminated with eleven point eight million Canadians watched the

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ninth inning, so pretty amazing stuff. In comparison, the most
watched Sportsnet broadcast in history was Game seven of the
twenty twenty four Stanley Cup Final, average seven point five million. Viewers,
which minute viewers. Anyway, there you go, and today's the
anniversary of Tachamol Joe the nineteen ninety three World Series
which Joe Carter hit a three run shot in the
ninth inning they were trailing six to five in Game six.

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Three run shot, of course, brings back to back World
Series championships to Toronto. They became the seventh team in
MLB history to win back to back championships. It's not
the only THIMA Series has been ended with the home run.
Back in nineteen sixty, Bill Malsaroski for the Pittsburgh Pirates
hit a solo shot in the bottom of the ninth
It was a tie game. Carter's run was the first
time that a home run was ever hit from come

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from behind to win the World Series. So there you go,
all right, I want to get a quick soccer note
in here congratulates the Zoe Rowe, who players with the
mont Seahawks soccer team. She has born the AUS Most
Valuable Player. The fourth Thomas Seahawks has been named the
AUS MVP, joining legends Laura Breen in two thousand and eight,
Jesse Noseworthy in twenty sixteen, Holly O'Neill in twenty twenty one,

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she led the country in scoring, and she is the
MVP of the AUS. Right, let's keep going. So as
much as we need to be focusing on things in education,
you know, all the same ones that I talked about
class size and composition and apsotism and violence and supports
and all the rest of it. What is this story
about someone rear ended a bus outside of Saint john'school yesterday.

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I'm not sure what school it was, but the school
buses are gigantic yellow buses and rear ended so either
going too fast or distracted on school property or right
in front of a school. So it's a bit of
a strange story. But I guess is that friendly reminder
be careful in those areas Seal boo play. And I
wonder what the punishment should be for this idiot twenty

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eight year old pull over around Pasadena going two hundred
and seven kilometers an hour, two hundred and seven. That's
race car kind of stuff. And it was that night
Pitch Black two well seven, So of course you got
a bunch of tickets charged with operating vehicle without reasonable
consideration for others. But what should be the punishment for
doing that. I mean, you have zero china to avoid

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anything that might pop up in front of you. Two
oh seven zero chance. It doesn't matter if you're Michael
Schumacher and have finely tooled skills as a race car driver.
So anyway, that story is frustrating to read. All right,
let's keep going. Here we go. It's all most ski
season hates to wish our time away. The fall has
been pritty nice so far, but the questions will still
circulate about what the future Marble Mountain looks like. We

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know in the Premieru's Economic Recovery Team report to divevest
of a government interest and or subsidient Marble Mountain, there's
been no takers. They've gone to the market a few
times and nothing's ever really happened. But a question being
asked by a business owner in the area is a
good one. A few years ago there was a public
meeting or a session at Marble where bcsee group. They

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were tasked with developing a long term plan for Marble
and surrounding area. So the questions being asked good ones.
Where's the report? It'd be helpful to know what this
independent group looked at so far? As the long term
future for Marble. How much the initiative cost tax payers?
Excellent question. What is the act long term flan from
Marble Mountain moving forward? All very good questions. Now we

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do know the last number of winters have been terrible
for skiers and snowboarders at Marble. Conditions have been awful,
big rainstorms in the middle of skiing snowboard season and
the snowall rushed down the hill. But what is the plan?
If you ask folks in and around Steady Brook, they
see the need economically speaking and for recreational purposes for
Marble to continue into the future. But it's a good question,

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and we can see if we can't get any answers
from the incoming government. Okay, So I see the story
where mister Wakem and the party has put their transition
team in place. Okay, and the chief of staff will
be his chief of staff while in opposition to East Turbot.
Fair enough, so Ross Wiseman, former cabinet Minister Darren King,
former cabinet minister Steve Outhouse, who's a real political operative.

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He's been a chief of staff for a variety of
federal cabinet ministers. He ran the campaign. Colleen Janes, a
longtime civil servant, also part of the transition. Okay, and
that's good. But they go on to talk about, you know,
we'll have the cabinet named and as symble, a senior team,
over the next few weeks. It kind of feels like
over a few weeks is maybe a little bit too

(06:10):
long for the transition. I know that it is complicated
work to be done. I know you've got to get organized.
I know there's a lot of difference between beating the
opposition benches versus in the seat of government, but that
feels like a long time. Then they talk about improving healthcare, education,
and the economy. Interestingly on education, little to no discussion
about education on the campaign trail and in the leader's

(06:31):
debate nothing just brief mention of school supplies. It kind
of stands to reason that if we had a bit
more of a keen focus politically, as socidely on the
province's education system, we'd probably be in better shape than
we are out of a variety of fronts. But we don't.
It's not a sexy enough vote getting issue apparently, But

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that's the focus, so says mister wakem in the brief
comments that we've heard from him so far, and then
people will ask about, you know, where's all the money
coming from? Another great question. They'll talk about realitating money
that had been spent they think misspent by the Liberal government.
So number one, you talk about what is a pretty
ridiculous even though they call it thinking outside the box,

(07:12):
sponsorship of a fourth division soccer team in England. Yeah,
that money can come back. That's huge money, but that
makes sense. Then they make specific mention of travel nurses. Look,
but the couple one hundred million plus we spent on
travel nurses in the last number of years, it has
obviously been problematic, whether it be for the working relationship
on the floor. Registered nurses working for the public sector

(07:33):
working shoulder and shoulder with travel agency nurses with flexibility
of schedule getting paid maybe is double what the RNs
working for and antal health services get. So okay, but
what's the actual strategy there. Then they talk about the
comfort in the airport hotel horizons one oh six I
believe we call it now into the future. Is that

(07:54):
going to be something that the PC government will maintain
some focus on transition housing, which is what they're calling
the comfort. Whether or not it's been successful, I'm not
really sure, you know, Apparently some people have been transitioned
into more stable housing and into the workforce and getting
whatever support they need for their mental well being and
or for drug addiction or whatever addiction. So they'll talk

(08:14):
about the reallocation there. Then it's the future of the
Premier's office in Boston. It cost about a million dollars
a year. It seems to me there could be a
measurable return on investment for keeping that office open if
it does indeed bring forward any economic opportunities for the
private sector companies. Then they talk about the future of
the Premier's Office in Central. If you ask the folks

(08:36):
in Central, some of them think it's an excellent idea
and should be maintained, and for others in various parts
of the province they think maybe not so much. Then
they make specific mention of the Future's Fund. While we
continue to borrow and continue to rack up debt and
continue to have wopping big deficits, the Future's Fund is
probably something we can pause for a little while. Conceptually speaking,

(08:58):
sounds like a fantastic idea, but borrowing money to put
in a future fund it is kind of counterintuitive, I
would suggest, but let's get into that if you're so inclined.
What they're not talking about, or no real specific mention
of it, is what the party is going to do,
what Premier designated Waken is going to do about the
Upper Churchill. Look if you look at what's going on

(09:20):
in the province Quebec. And I'm not suggesting we need
to buckle to when he perceived political pressures facing Premier
Francois l'a go in Quebec, but it's part of the conversation.
So New Poland and you can take it for what
it's worth. New Poulan says somewhere they're able to seventy
four percent of Quebecer's want to go to step down,
not just call an election right away. They want him. God,

(09:40):
his party is in brutal shape. They have the potential
to get shut out. On the other hand, the opposition
party being the block. They say they're not interested in
this deal. They might not be interested in any deal.
So what does that timing look like and feel like
in so far as your perspective goes, And you know,
talk about cabinet to be formed in the coming weeks,
what have you? Regardless of your position on Quebec or

(10:03):
hydro Quebec, or the Upper Churchill or gaul Island or
anything involved, time is important here. So where are we
with this review and who's going to do it? Where
are we with the referendum, whether that's even going to
happen or whatever into the future. But some pretty big
questions there. I would add to it what's being considered
regarding Michael Wilson's resignation letter. It was heavily redacted when

(10:27):
we got to peek at it. Mister Wilson, of course
was generous enough to offer a lot of time on
this program. He has sent me copious amounts of information
his analysis of the MoU. But it would be nice now.
I know, without question there's going to be some commercial
sensitivities in his letter, and it's more of a legal
question than it is a political question. But will we

(10:48):
see any more of what Michael Wilson wrote in so
far as why he resigned. We've seen and heard from
mister Wilson about some of the general references and some
very specific, but there's got to be more to it
in that letter. Will we get a look at it
I don't know. Once again, probably legal question versus political question,
And then I don't know how to couch this button.

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What does the future look like for Jennifer Williams, the
CEO at Hydro and the president of Hydro, And she's
been on the show a couple of times and generous
with her time. But if we stand back and look
at it in broad terms, and this is not a
critique or applause of one person or another, one party
or another, but she's obviously steadfast in favor of this

(11:31):
MoU and they continue negotiations toward definitive agreements. Obviously mister
Wakem doesn't agree. So when one of the most important
jobs at the top level at Newfland Labrador Hydro, what
does that look like? You know, whether or not mister
Wakem wants Jennifer Williams to continue, or whether Miss Williams
wants to continue knowing that the Premier doesn't agree with

(11:53):
the work that they've done, and her specifically as part
of the negotiating team. So what does that look like
into the future. We can talk about anything inside the
world of the Upper Churchill because it's just too important
to not have continued public discourse. And questions or comments
whatever you see fit. Let's talk about it all right.
The one thing we all do is have to eat.

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Man our grocery shop yesterday. It's exhausting. So grocery prices
are not only out of control and the concept of
shrinkflation we're paying more for less is Grocery prices are
up four percent a year over year based on Septembers pricing.
You know, if you look at beef, which boy, oh boy,
you really got to consider a second mortgage if you
want to get into buying some beef. It is outrageously expensive.

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So you see the struggling look in people's eyes while
they shop and carrying around the flyer and being very
careful with what they put in their cart or in
their bag. But where does any of this solution lie here?
You know, we can talk about supply chain interruptions, and yes,
if you ask farmers, it's not just about whether it
be an industrial carbon tax what have you. The way

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that the agricultural world in the last number of years
has struggled with floods and fires and droughts and insects
is big contributing factor. You can add in things like
they can still remain in confusion regarding tariffs and all
the rest of it. But where are the controls when
the Competition Bureau had a careful look at it, and
we know that the grocery retail world is dominated by

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handful of players. But what was lost sight of is
it wasn't just about competition for shelf space. It wasn't
just about competition for these small and medium sized grocers.
A lot of it had to do with the control
over distribution that the big players had. When they wanted it,
they got it. But the smaller and the more medium
sized grocers had to stand on the sidelines and hope

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for a few crumbs, had hope to see their orders
get satisfied as opposed to of course, in the world
of corporate Canada, big versus little, the winner is always
the same big player. So grocery prices of four percent
year over year, oh, man or man, and you know
there's no surprise. Then when you see like the Single

(14:08):
Parents Association, you know, some of these things are real
interesting measures of where we are. Over twelve hundred people,
twelve hundred children have already requested support and Christmas gifts.
I guess their parents or caregivers from the Single Parents Association,
so previous years be able to satisfy or what they
call provide magic to eight to nine hundred kids at most.

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Used to be you could make specific requests for gift
cards or winter clothing or very specific gifts. Now just
the list includes your children's interests. They've also scaled back
the value of gifts from two hundred to around one
hundred and fifty. There's also an opportunity for families to
sponsor a family who would be on this list. And

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you know, when we're talking about the twenty third of October,
that twelve hundred numbers going to grow. They only open
up the portal last week, so again, you know, when
we try to block the bus here going back to school,
when we have our coats for kids, every single organization
doing some of this charitable work in the community, the
demands are up, and at the exact same time, the

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capacity or resources for folks who would like to be
donors has been reduced. So anyway, if Danielle over at
the Single Parents Association would like to come out and
talk about it and help further paint a picture of
what's happening there, let's go ahead and do it all right,
A couple of very quickly before we get to you.
So last night the Prime Minister had a speech to

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talk about what I guess could be considered foreshadowing of
what's going to be in the budget, and we don't know.
It's hard to dig into the vagaries that were offered
in the speech last night, but one thing is obviously
a key focus is trying to expand markets, diversify beyond
reliance on the United States, and some pretty lofty goals
associated with that offered by the Prime Minister. Then it's

(15:57):
spending in defense, procurement and what have you. But while
we haven't heard much from and of course I was
away yesterday, I'm not sure exactly what was discussed, but
the Unitor General of Canada, Karen Hogan, I mean, was
there any talk about that yesterday? Dave? I mean her
reports CRA, defense procurement, housing for the military, those types
of things. Holy smokes, some of the revelations are off

(16:19):
the charts. CRA demand is up to need to deal
with so much directly, but then accuracy of information, the
timliness with which you get to speak with someone at
CRA is a huge problem. Something in the neighborhood of
eighty seven percent of calls never did make it to
the intended recipient. What then's the time you have to wait?
And then it's the accuracy or the inaccuracy of information

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given to you by representatives of CRA. So if you
read the Karen Hogan story, the Auditor General story, on
any of those fronts, they're too big to leave by
the wayside, I would suggest, so we can do it.
And if you want to pick up on anything you
heard regarding the Prime Minister's speech last night, you know
they're talking about an affordable budget. I have to wait
and see no sense to me guessing, And I tried

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to read between all the lines offered by the Prime
Minister last night. Put holy smokes. And then, of course, regardless,
the Prime Minister and the Liberals are going to have
to find a dance partner. They're going to have to
find one other party to support the budget. It's a
confidence motion, right, so let's look around the Conservative Party
with Canada. Nope, you can predict that. I mean they're

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not going to support the Liberal government of course, or
not the NDP maybe just maybe, but even without official
party status, there's only a number of votes that count
as opposed to the NDP's official party status on the
National Front. Then the black Kbequa maybe, but that only
happens if there's distinct pandering, which has not been unusual
in the past, distinct pandering to Quebecer's because the Block

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only care about Quec. You know, they have put forward
things like add the ten percent increase in knowledge security
to sixty five to seventy five as opposed to simply
seventy five years in age of age and older. But
unless there's a lot of Cabec pander stuff from here,
the Block may not be a dance partner. So you
never know. I'm going to guess that there's going to
be some support from the NDP to allow the minority

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Liberal Parliament to proceed into the future. But we've been
waiting a long time for this budget, no matter how
you slice it. So you want to take that on
or anything else, let's do exactly that. All right, we're
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(18:28):
Welcome back to the showlet'speaking on a liner. One acamore
to the mayor Stephenville crossing. That's Lee Sa Lucas, Mayor Lucas.
You're on the air.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Hello, Patty, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Happy to do so, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
You weren't here yesterday or you were on the show
yesterday with Linda. I believe she took a call from
one of our longtime callers to your show using with
complaints about our council or town staff, whatever theeam. Normally
I tend to ignore what he has to say, but
this time, where I was invited Violin to respond, I

(19:03):
decided it was time to respond and put this issue
he's brought up to rest. So I don't think you
listened to the show, So if you don't mind indulging me,
I'd like to go over all of the false claims
he made because none of them were accurate to say
the least, and I'm hoping you're going to give me
the time to address them all.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Let's do it, Okay.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
We had two new counselors came on board this year.
Both of them are fantastic longtime volunteers. One recently moved
back from Ontario and he brings with him a wealth
of experience in the finance. Kim Nolan has been a
long time volunteer with our children and it was me
exactly who nominated her and encouraged her to run. I

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also encourage a lot of other local volunteers in town
to run, but nobody stepped up. But the two that
did step up were elected the when mister Brake did
receive the most votes. But for many, many, many many years,
we have not gone with the judicition of offering the

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mayor or the sorry, the person who pulled the most
votes the mayorship. That stopped long ago, and it stopped
because at a previous election we were reported for doing that
and we were told that we had to follow Section
twenty eight of the Act. And since that time we've
always done it. We've had other people in the past

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who pulled the most votes and we're not offered the mayorship.
And it wasn't an issue like it's become with this
one with mister Kane because he keeps bringing it up.
So I want to put that to bed today. During
the meeting of October sixth, he stated, and he wasn't there,
so what he's getting is second hand information. And I
guess it's like the telephone game that we played in school.

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A lot of it got misconstrued or misinterpreted. But anyway,
on October sixth, before the election began, the meeting was
chaired by our administrative clerk, Devon Young, and before she
had a chance to start the meeting, one of our
counselors asked if he could speak, and he brought up

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the tradition of offering the mayorship to mister Brake. Miss
Young informed him that no, we had to follow the act,
and some discussion ensued. I asked to speak, and I
reminded him that previous counselor, who had told most votes,
was not offered the mayorship and that it wouldn't be
fair to them to do so with mister Brake. So

(21:37):
he conceded and the nominations process began. I was nominated
as long as as well as mister Brake, and I
won the nomination. And I think that's the craw that's
getting under his skin, I guess so from that he
said that I went on open line and said that

(22:02):
only people would experience the run that was not true.
As you know, I was not on open line. I
did make a Facebook post addressing it because it was
causing a lot of buzz in town, I guess, and
that I guess didn't satisfy him. Then he said that

(22:24):
because I said that you had to have experience, where
did I get the experience? That I didn't have the
experience when I became mayor eight years ago, But he
forgets that prior to that, I was on council for
sixteen years, so that's twenty four years of experience.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
He also said that it was.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
An elaborate plan. He kept going on with it was
all a plan, it was all planned. She wasn't going
to run, and then all of a sudden, a couple
of days after she said she was going to run. Now, Patty,
whether I run, decided to run or not run, certainly none.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
Of his business.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I had my own reasons for in the beginning, thinking
that I wanted to give up after twenty four years
because I had just retired from teaching and thought, well,
you know, maybe I should take a break from all
of it. But then I lost my brother, and that's
me into a depression. So I had a lot of

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calls from residence, a lot of messages saying you know,
you've done great things and we want you to stay.
So I did it because I realized the closer it
got denomination day, the more I realized there was still
work that had to be done that we had initiated
as a counsel, and that being a We secured the

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courthouse for Steve Macrossing. We worked with the MHA at
the time, Scott Reid, and we were awarded the contract
that involved many meetings with ministers over two years. And
funny thing is, mister Kane went on open the line
last year claiming that it was him that did it,
even though I never saw him at none of those meetings.

(24:03):
And we're also for the last year and a half.
When it was announced by government that a new long
term care center was going to be built in Bay
Saint George, well, we've had the long term care center
since nineteen seventy six and we definitely definitely did not
want to see that leave our community. We lost the college,
we don't have a huge tax.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
Base here.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
And we were not letting the long term term care
center go on our watch. Our town manager, Yvon Jung
mentioned that.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
We had.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
A lot of acreage in a really beautiful section of
town that overlooks the ocean, not near the low water level,
and so we met with at the time Minister Cred Hutton.
We went into Saint John's, we spoke with him, We
invited him out here. He came, We showed him the

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spot and told them that we would donate the land
because it was donated to us. We have several hundred acres.
But anyway, after a month or so, we received the
public announcement that Steve Lacrossman was going to be awarded
the new long term care center. Now need us to say,

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we were a static it's needed. I'm hoping and I'm
really hoping that the new premiere doesn't rescind on that.
I mean, I think as a region Bay Saint George region,
we all have the lookout for each other. I mean,
Steve mo already has you know, a strong business and

(25:47):
other government buildings in their area in their town. So
I hope that they will honor that and let us
continue to grow with the long term care sent.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Let's see what else.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
It is a lot to get. Like I got to
tell you, I don't appreciate I don't know what his
problem is. It's been an issue with him for years.
It doesn't matter what good we do. He could never
say good job, never done it. I mean, this is
a man who has done a beautiful job with the
Garden of Hope in Steve Monglamer, mister Rosie Keats, and

(26:30):
I mean kudos, it's fantastic. It's a cancer garden. They're
built by the hospital. I absolutely love it, and I'll
give credit where credit is due. But he can never
return that. All he does is create division. He causes problems.
And you know, like mister Brake, fantastic gentleman, wonderful working

(26:50):
with him. I mean, the first meeting went fantastic. You
can tell he's already he's a team player. But then
you've got someone like this interfering instead of letting us
to our job, which is to make sure that we
can secure the long term care center, that we can
attend the opening of the new courthouse and get along
for business.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Okay, so setting the record stright fine by me, now
that you've done that much on air with correctly what
you think are falsehoods or exaggerations or straight up lies
for mister Kane, fair enough, Are you planning on doing
anything else about it?

Speaker 6 (27:28):
No.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
I mean we had a group discussion as a counsel about,
you know, contacting our lawyers and giving him a cease
and desist. But for the most part, he doesn't have
the audience you think he has. A matter of fact,
I can have a lot of people who call him say,
my god, the town prior is at it again, or municipalities.

(27:51):
He's a known caller to them. He told Indy yesterday
that you know, it was all a plan to get
me mayor, and and that he called minicipal affairs and
they wouldn't come out and investigate it rightly. So, because
there was nothing to investigate, we followed the act, We
held the nominations.

Speaker 6 (28:10):
I succeeded.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Case closed. So I don't know what he expects to accomplish.
What he's doing is interfering with the reputation of our town,
the reputation of our counsel, who has always gotten along.
You've never seen our town council in the news, and
you never will because we've always worked great together. We're

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financially very stable, we have a great working staff, we
have a great office administration. You know, she knows her business,
so it's time for him to get over it.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Mayor Lucas. I appreciate the time. Anything else, Nope, that's it,
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
All I want to say is again, like as a counsel,
we've worked with you know, Scott Reid when he was
our Liberal MHA. We worked with Joan Broke when she
was our PC representative the MJ, and we're looking forward
to working with the Health Farm here, our new PC MJ,
and we're hoping that we'll continue that great relationship with

(29:13):
government that we've always had.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Appreciate the time, Marre Lucas, thank you, thank you, welcome,
bye bye, fair enough. I didn't hear anything calls, so
I was kind of flying blind there. Just a couple
of very quick references, you know. Every now and then
I'll get an email about how come we don't talk
about this? How can we don't talk about that? Again?
We can talk about what everyone to talk about, and

(29:35):
you can bring forward whatever topic is important to you,
no topic too big or too small, but a couple
of specific ones is how come I didn't mention the
price of Jays tickets?

Speaker 7 (29:43):
All right?

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I mean I actually looked at the price of Jay's tickets.
It is ridiculous, And you know, it's funny to watch
someone like Doug Ford, whose government in twenty eighteen scrapped
any legislation to protect the consumer from the exorbitant prices
of ticket resale, now talking about having to do something
about it. I mean, there was seats that were generally
three hundred and fifty bucks or over seven thousand dollars.
There's seats behind home plate that were forty thousand dollars apiece.

(30:05):
I mean, it's outrageous, right, and I suppose things are
worth what everyone's willing, what anyone's willing to pay for it.
So yeah, So there's one thought on Jay's tickets prices.
They're too high. The other one was why am I
always so loathe or afraid to talk about things like
the Epstein files. We can talk about that. I mean, basically,

(30:27):
the party in power is protecting the elites and the
billionaires and the monarchy and whoever else is on the list.
It's as simple as that, And again kind of feels
weird to have to say this out loud. If there's
any Democrats or businessmen or business women or whoever on
the list representing whatever party or whatever economic status in
this world. If you rape the kid, go to prison,

(30:49):
like this should not be hard to say out loud.
So and apparently there's a Canadian billionaire on the list.
That's what we're told. That was part of the Center
testimony in the United States. So yeah, and there's only
one party who can release it won't So is the
assertion that's protecting people on the list of course. Anyway,
let's see here, let's get to the break. We'll make
it back topic up to you don't go away, welcome

(31:15):
back to the show. Let's go len number two. Morning Tom,
you're on the air.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Good morning, Patty. Quick thing before I get to my point,
if I wasn't getting enough calls dealing with the disabilities,
I went to and I bought a new car yesterday.
And I guess the young man I bought the car
from because the first car he's ever sold. And they
have a tradition where it just happened to be an

(31:40):
old Air Force tradition where you cut these tying things
and I didn't realize it, but I guess it gets
posted to social media. So my phone has been going
after hooks saying I'm some kind of a media start
just what I needed. But the point being that to
every referral, I guess I get one hundred bucks. So
if anybody wants to go to the least on and

(32:02):
buy a vehicle and say this out of the video,
I'll give thee hundred bucks to their charity of choice.
So for that, I hope somebody got there and they'll
get the hundred bucks. I'll get the hundred bucks and
I'll give it to charity. But the main reason I'm
calling this morning is we were fortunate enough that a

(32:23):
gentleman donated to us a front seat for a vehicle.
It replaces the seat that's already in the vehicle. And
what it does it's remote controlled, and it lifts up
the person, turns them, lets them get out through the door,

(32:47):
lowers it to the ground so that a person can
get in a wheelchair. This particular seat is worth fifteen
thousand dollars US. And of course, as we do it
all of the things at the hub, we donate them
to somebody who needs it. So if anybody needs this

(33:07):
thing and can use it. It came from a Dodge Van,
but I think it would fit most fans. I was
just coming out of a lot and picking up a description.
And surprisingly, I've seen a lady transferring from the passenger
side to a wheelchair and I mentioned it to the

(33:27):
man assume was her husband that was helping her, and
I said I had it, and he was overjoyed. So
he's supposed to come and see me the morrow morning
at nine. And if he doesn't, then I'm encouraging your
callers to give me a call and it can fit
in their van. They can certainly have it.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
That's awesome. I've seen one of these things in action.
He can only imagine the difference it makes. It might
be the difference between being able to get out or not.
I don't mean out of the van, I mean out
of the house. So that's very helpful. Are you just
giving this away to someone who needs it to?

Speaker 4 (34:01):
No, No, we just give it away to somebody who's deserving. Now,
as you know, Patty, in the past, we've had issues
with giving away expensive pieces of equipment. And the next
thing I know, I'm looking at there's various buy and
sell type of platforms and I see these things there
and I lose it. So please don't do this. If

(34:23):
you need it and you can't afford this thing. And
most people, of course couldn't afford this thing because it's
just out of their pressure range. And we try and
assess it when we give it away, because we do
give away the stuff. That's a that's a rule in
life is to help people that need these things. So
if you need it and we give it away, the
same as we give away all of the disability aids,

(34:43):
and then when they don't need it anymore, they we
turn it to it and we recircle it circle into
the game. So yes, it's just given to a deserving person.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Terrific And folks are curious. So we're talking with Tom
Badcock from the hub here in Saint John's. So if
you are in need, and please only if you are
in need, give Tom a call and get this arrange.
We can contact us and we can help middle manage it. Required.
Tom good on you this morning. Appreciate your time, You
appreciate it. Taking a look anytime. All the best, okay,

(35:14):
bye bye? All right? Will I take one here, Dave?
Or do you want me to get to the break
on time? Or take one? Okay, So go to line
number four deacture. You're on the air.

Speaker 8 (35:22):
Hello, Patty, how are you this.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Morning doing okay, how about you.

Speaker 9 (35:26):
I'm well, I'm calling in the open line so to
chat about something. I just want to thank you for
taking my call. And what I want to talk about
is healthcare actually and a longstanding issue of the lack
of leadership to actually do anything to help people who
are suffering and in pain and waiting for answers and
the reason and I'll explain.

Speaker 8 (35:46):
The situation.

Speaker 9 (35:48):
Or the reason for my call. It came to my
attention yesterday through social media that a patient admitted to
the Carbonair Hospital with a potential cancer diagnosis has been
waiting there with his family for ten days without any answers,
delays in action on testing, missing paperwork, and a feeling
that they have been ignored by a system that's supposed

(36:10):
to care for them and help them get answers they need.
He was supposed to be transferred to the Health Science
the Center for the care and testing that he needed.
This did not happen and has not happened yet. And
here's what I want to talk about. I should note
that these people are part of my family as well.
Why has this patient not been transferred to the Health

(36:32):
Sciences Center? You know, why did this not happen immediately,
and we don't have the answer to that necessarily. But
beyond that, why did his family have to take to
social media to plead for help as many people have
to do, And no doubt many people have called in
and spoke to you about this because they weren't getting
any satisfaction in the system. And my final question is

(36:52):
why did the MHA from Placentia Saint Mary's, who represents
this these constituents, tell them and their family as I
understand it, that there was nothing she could do because
of a change in government.

Speaker 10 (37:05):
My question is isn't.

Speaker 8 (37:06):
That her job to advocate.

Speaker 9 (37:08):
For constituents when they need the help? Is it so
difficult to pick up the phone and find solutions for people?
Ask questions and get back to them. These are questions
that a lot of people are asking right now about
a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, a couple of initial thoughts like even if it's
an answer you don't want here, for instance, we don't
have a bed that's better than crickets. And I'm just
always my biggles why people can't get straightforward answers to
straightforward questions In so far as political intervention, you know,
same thing we talk about the courts, like I mentioned
last week or earlier this week on the show, is

(37:42):
direct political intervention there. This is not about your faunily,
because when it's your family, of course, emotions rule the
roofs as they would in my family. Should it depend
on who has the most powerful mha. That's my worry
when we talk about things like operations and healthcare, like
should it matter that if you're a constituent in Steamville

(38:02):
Port of Port and your member is the premier, that
you have a better chance versus if you're a someone
who's newly elected opposition member. That's one of the worries
I have when we talk like this. What do you
think about that? Siatra?

Speaker 9 (38:14):
Well, I'm glad you said that, and first of all,
thank you for also saying that, even if it is
an answer that someone doesn't want to hear, at the
very least, get back to people, you know and provide
them with some sort of guidance on what will happen
next if it's this, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
On the matter of you know, constituency work, you know
for me, and you know, to make it clear to listeners,

(38:37):
I've never been a politician provincially or otherwise. But I
know the importance of constituency work. And it doesn't matter
what side of the government you sit on. It is
your job to speak with residents who elected you and
find answers and work with them and work with other
people around you. It doesn't matter what side of government
you're on.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
That's your job.

Speaker 9 (38:58):
That's what you need to be doing. And you need
to get back to those people. If they call you
and you never respond, or if they call you and
you say the answer is no. Again, whether you're in
government or not, the work of politicians shouldn't be to
say no to people, there isn't something for you. The
work of politicians should be to say, hang on, let
me see what we can find out about this, and

(39:18):
let's see what we can do here, because that's called
navigational support. And for me and what I'm hearing not
just and I you know, this is not just an
issue unique to my family circumstances. I live in Bay Roberts.
I have heard horror stories about what is happening in
that hospital and carboneir and no family should have to
go through it, and they should be getting the answers

(39:39):
from both you know, administrative leadership, government leadership, and at
the very least their MHA is.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, and you know, advocating is obviously their job. And
what I will add to the response you got from
your MHA is, Look, it doesn't matter if government is
transitioning at this moment in time, because it's not a
decision that's going to be made in the hospital sembly.
It's an operational decision made at NL Health Services and
the health size is proper. So it doesn't matter if
the government hasn't been sworn in because health care didn't stop, right,

(40:07):
nothing stopped. No, just the politics have stopped. Well that's
not even true either. It is just having a priority
actually sworn in his government to stop. This is a
healthcare operational decision. So any MJA newly elected or reelected
can absolutely do whatever they can to advocate directly with
operations because you know, the government is the politics of
it all. Healthcare is the operations of it.

Speaker 9 (40:28):
All, exactly. And a sign note to that, And again
for listeners, there's a lot of people out there who
are dealing with this and who don't know how to navigate,
and who may feel fearful or hesitant to speak up.
They may not even know where to go for help
that they might need. It's our job to speak, and
it's our job to say no, this is not okay.

(40:50):
And we deserve better from all the people who are
representing us because as people within the system and as patients,
they don't have the power and they're at the whim
of the decision making that potentially comes from, you know,
a healthcare professional. I'm not attacking healthcare professionals. I'm just
simply saying it's a power and balance that happens there
from the patient to the system, and you need someone

(41:11):
to step up and speak for sure.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, And sometimes I get the feeling that one member
of the hust assembly or another, when asked do things
like this which are emotional and traumatic and complex, when
they say there's nothing I can do, it's probably because
they're afraid to try, because then they might have to
come back to and say I was unable to help,
which is, you know, for them, probably an easier conversation
than I'm sorry, I can't help, or more.

Speaker 9 (41:34):
Distocratic and maybe and maybe that's just the easy solution
or just you know, And again, in my experience, and
I've done a lot of work with helping people and
navigating systems, and in my experience, it's actually not that
complicated to pick up the phone and figure out what's
going on and try to track a solution. And if
you run into a wall, then you have to ask, well,

(41:54):
is there something else that's needed here and is that
something else we should be considering, And you know that's
part of the process. So yeah, and to your point
about when government is changing over like people's lives don't stop.
Their needs don't stop, you know, and their healthcare issues
and the waiting and the pain and suffering and families

(42:14):
like all of that doesn't stop just because you know,
somebody's run an election.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
One hundred percent is why when I talked off the
top of you know, you know, formulating the transition team
and in the coming weeks cabinet and stuff in the
coming weeks. Like I get it. Things aren't easy in
this world. But time is pretty important here regardless of
what we're talking about insofar as the operations of government,
and that includes obviously forty elected members of the House Assembly.
Dietri keep me in the loop, keep me updated, if

(42:40):
you don't mind, I will.

Speaker 9 (42:42):
Indeed, I'm heading to the Carbon Air Hospital this afternoon
to meet with this family and try to attempt to
resolve it with them. So thanks for your time. I
appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
I appreciate yours. Good luck bye now okay, bye bye?
Yeah man. What an answer to that is, let's take
a break. When we come back, we're talking to tech.
Don't go away. Welcome back to the show. Well, next
week is Innovation Week twenty twenty five. The Jonas onlinerber
one is the chair of the Tech and l Board
of Directors. That's Joanna Brown and good morning, Joanna, you're
on the air.

Speaker 8 (43:11):
Hello Patty, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Happy to have you on the show. I know Dave
already gave you the heads up. We'll start our chat here,
we'll take a news breaker and come back and finish.
How's that sounds perfect, terrific, So just a couple of
quickies to get it started. You know, the tech sector
here is way bigger than people realizing so far as
contribution to GDP. And you know, you identify a problem,
propose a tech or an innovative solution. So it's one

(43:33):
thing for the creation of the solution, it's another thing
to pitch it to get it monetized to go through
the different rounds of funding. So talk us through what
you're going to be talking about Innovation Week next week,
Because a lot of really smart people can create a
lot of things and struggle to get the money to
further their cause. So talk about the importance of a pitch.

Speaker 8 (43:52):
Yeah, that's a really great point. And so it's not
just are there a lot of smart people in the province.
There are tons of smart people the province. Can you
come up with an idea that can provide value to
a potential customer? Definitely, there's lots of programs to kind
of support that. Here. Can you commercialize which is what
you're talking about, and commercializing is around how do you

(44:14):
provide value the cold markets and what does that look like?
And so we actually have a really great lineup of speakers,
both people who are coming in who've had kind of
successful growth through that, but we also have a lot
of local CEOs who have done the exact same thing.
And so I think when you look at the tech
sector in this province, everyone is trying to compete at

(44:37):
a global level. So you really can't grow a company
in the tech sector unless you think that you can
be the very best in the world, and that's kind
of how you grow and how you see those big
commercialization at scales, and so we have examples of folks
who are doing this already. And so Innovation Week, which
is next week October twenty seventh to twenty ninth at
the Saint John's Convention Center, that is is going to

(45:00):
bring together a lot of this ecosystem. And when we
think about the ecosystem, we think about a lot of people. Right,
there's partners, there's supporters, there's academic institutions, there's genesis, there's government,
and then there's the tech companies who are actually growing.
And the way in which you can grow sustainably and
why the tech sector has a big chance of being

(45:23):
like a big economic diverse fire for this province is
when we're all coming together. So I think Innovation Week
is a really great example of that.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, and the pitch. If I'm looking for an angel investor,
that's one type of pitch. And then when you start
to grow and you start to monetize, then you can
bring in others who can pitch the customer. Because there's
kind of two different things, albeit distinct and obvious overlap.
We've got some huge success stories here. Now, not every
company is going to be verifin, but the importance of
seeing that it can be done here. If you had

(45:52):
to ask with that ten years ago, I would say
that's one of the big struggles we'll have in this
province is thinking, well, we're not Silicon Valley, we're not
even Kitchen or Waterloo. But you can be anywhere in
any corner of this world, including this problem. So how
shall we look at the success stories? Even though not
everyone's Jamie King, but the next one can be the
next great thing.

Speaker 8 (46:11):
Definitely. So if I look back, like I joined the
tech sector fifteen years ago, I cannot write a line
of code. I'm a business person. There was maybe three
medium sized companies and some startups at that time in
the tech sector. Now you look at it fifteen years later,
it's a healthy mix of startups. We're starting to see
some of those startups turn to medium sized companies, and

(46:32):
then we're starting to see big companies come out of that.
You know, it's in twenty five percent growth in the
last nine or ten years, but the tech sector is
about ten thousand jobs right now. And you talked about
GDP contribution. So the tech sector contributes about one point
eight billion, which is on par with some really prominent
industries here around the fisheries and tourism, and what we're

(46:56):
going to see is that continued growth and so that's
a big thing. So we have we call Verifin a unicorn,
so that is when you sell for over one billion dollars.
We have other unicorns being built in this province right now.
There's handfuls of companies and so again you don't have
to be a silicon valley. You have to be right

(47:17):
sized for where you are right but you can grow
global companies from right here in this province and we're
seeing it happen right now, like we're seeing we're seeing
over one hundred million dollars in private capital from outside
this province being being spent in local companies in the
tech sector. And then you see the positive ripple effects

(47:39):
of that. Right when Verafin exited, you see the positive
impact that has in our ecosystem. And another really great
thing we have here in this province is that people
are really generous with their time and it's very connected
and so you see the heads of spell book, the
heads of collab, who are you know, some of the
largest growing company in Canada in the US that are

(48:02):
coming to Innovation Week and speaking that are mentoring that
are involved in month. Like there's lots of really great
examples like that.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Let's take a break for the news to put you
on hold, Joanna, because there's a lot yet to touch
on before we weren not out of time, console, put
you on hold. Okay, there we go, Joanna Brown, the
chair Tech Canales Board of Directors. Let's say take a
right able to rejoin the conversation with Joanna. Then you
don't go away. Welcome back to the show. Let's rejoin
the chair of the board of directors that technl on

(48:31):
line number one. Joanna, you're back on the air.

Speaker 8 (48:35):
Hello, Thanks Patty. Now I'm caught up on the news
and I'm ready to talk about Innovation Week.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Fantastic. You know, we've mentioned very fin a couple of
times and justifiably so. And you know, notably, they're staffed
by somewhere than able to seventy five eighty percent graduates
of post secondary institutions in this province. So let's talk talent.
Are we on the right track, whether it be at
MON or CNA or even in the Province's KADE twelve
system here.

Speaker 8 (48:58):
Yeah. So actually Innovation Week starts next week on Monday
with a student event, and so we do this every year,
and what it is is we're going to see hundreds
of posts secondary and new grads come down to the
convention Center and it's a chance to it's a pre event.
You just have to register in events at technol dot CA.

(49:20):
But you're going to see a lot of local technology
employers there. And not only will they be there, but
there's actually a chance to do kind of a virtual
networking or sorry, another virtual almost like a speed dating
networking where they'll actual get to meet local employers because
one thing that I think all sizes of companies here
in the tech sector are great at is they want

(49:42):
to hire local. We have come a long way in
terms of making sure that we have folks who are
going through development is a big is always in big demand.
Sales is always in big demand for these tech companies,
and that's been the case for the last twenty years.
But now we need to also support them and how

(50:02):
they enter the workforce and what that looks like. And
also you know, as these tech companies grow, you're going
to see more and more opportunities. So we need all
these things to be true at once. We need the
tech sector to keep growing with all the supports in place,
and we need to keep focusing on how we bring
folks and new grads into the tech sector. And we're

(50:23):
also seeing new programs being launched. So tech Now would
have launched its first high school tech placement program in
the last few years, and you'll see more of that
coming forward.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
People think tech on the things stand right at the
science and technology, and engineering and mathematics. How about a
dotop of entrepreneurship as well. How important is that?

Speaker 8 (50:45):
Yeah, I mean you're talking to the right person, because
I am none of those things, except for I am
a business I've gone a business background, and I was
curious on what folks were doing here. And I think
anyone who's joining a tech company, whether it's a startup,
whether it's whether it's a big company here it's an

(51:08):
incredible exposure. So again, most folks aren't selling into the
local market. Sometimes they are, but most folks are selling
into the rest of Canada, into the rest of Europe,
and that gives you a lot of really great opportunities
to grow your career. So you have a really meaningful
career and be based here in the province. And so
I think there's a lot of opportunities for folks to

(51:29):
take advantage of that. But all companies need what all
companies need, They need finance people, They need people who
have a willingness to learn. I would say most employers here,
the common line is not do you have the perfect background,
it's are you willing to you know, work really hard
and be curious enough to keep going with it, no.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Doubt about it. So the entrepreneurship thing, you know, this
is not really an Innovation Week conversation. And so far
as I think we should do more like we talk
financial literacy digital literacy in high school, we should only
pepper the entrepreneurship spirit as well with them. And now
let's talk about market and opportunity. So, you know, there's
been a bit more of a keen focus in the
last two years ish about domestic procurement, whether it be

(52:12):
with the military or otherwise. So whether it be the
provincial government and or the federal government. You know, the
whole concept of low spid wings. Of course, there's some
merit and some experience and background involved, but governments really
need to focus on Canadian companies and in this province,
with local companies for procurement opportunities, because it's opportunities wasted
not only for just that one contract, but that's more experience.

(52:35):
Probably grow your workforce, grow your idea, you know, have
some more horse powers so when you go to bid
on the next contract. So what do you think governments
need to do or think about when we talk about procurement.

Speaker 8 (52:45):
Yeah, it's it's always a hot topic. And I think
one thing we would have done leading up to the election,
Techanel we really work obviously with our members, with our industry,
so we host many kind of forums where we're getting
this feedback and so we would have put together recommendations
that went to all political parties and events of the

(53:06):
an event of the election, and we posted those on
our website at techanal dot ca. And so one of
the things now we're going to chat with is for
the new premiere. He responded in terms of where they
want to focus their efforts, and I think he's great
to work with and that he wants to work with
industry and he's very clear that has to be industry driven.

(53:27):
And one of the items that he would have mentioned
as well, is around establishing the new process for procuring
innovation in this province. And so I think that is
a really important piece what you said, right, It's gone
from lowest bid to value based selling and so that
can mean a lot of things. But are they are
they based here locally? Another way to think about it

(53:50):
is how big is there workforce that is based here locally?
You know, is it really their headquarters? Is a large
population of their employees based here? What does that look like?

Speaker 4 (54:01):
You know?

Speaker 8 (54:01):
I remember selling into many spots into the US over
the years, and when you were selling into some of
those states, you were at a disadvantage selling into them
if you weren't from there. And so it's not that
every single company that's growing here in the tech sector
in this province is selling into government. But for those
who can we can innovate, if we can innovate healthcare,

(54:24):
if we can innovate education, if we can innovate those
really important things, then we should look locally first. And
so I think that is a hot topic that that's
going to be discussed a lot.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
And I don't know about kind of companies we have
here that could be part of the defense procurement because
spending by the FAES is going to explode to like
one hundred and fifty billion dollars a year. We're talking
massive opportunity. Last one before I let you go, Juanna,
does TECHNL have any sort of getting any traction or
any sort of status or involvement with the office in Boston,
because it's basically about economic opportunities, which would of course

(54:58):
include the tech sector. Some people think it's a travel
idea to have that office, and the million bucks are
annually a cost, But does second L have anything that's
grown from that office in Boston.

Speaker 8 (55:08):
So one thing I want to touch on there, because
you talked about the defense as well, is that there
are companies here that are very well suited to work
and to avail of that. We also have a new
innovation center that is meant to be provide that interconnectedness
of industry. So when you think defense, when you think energy,

(55:29):
when you think ocean, this is an innovation center that's
for the ecosystem and this province to avail of And
so I think there is a lot of really good
work where you can bring industry together to figure out
what that looks like. But you look at companies that
exist right now, like Solace Power, like Crack and robotics
like Virtual Marine. They're all they've been selling into the

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defense sector. I mean Solace Power, you know, they're doing
enormous projects of power projects with Boeing. They're bringing Boeing
execs to this province because they're doing I mean literally
like they're creating a new sector in what that looks like.
And so there's definitely a place in which we should

(56:13):
be prioritizing it, and we are prioritizing it. I think
Now it's how do we elevate that is a big
piece of it.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, because even when we hear like the Prime Minister
talking about but at the exact same time, contract worth
somewhere like one hundred and ten million dollars went to
an American company for the night vision goggles or something.

Speaker 7 (56:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
So we've just got to identify those opportunities and work
towards taking advantage of what's coming next. So just I'll
ask just quickly about the Boston office what that might
mean for teching out and whether or not it's spent
anything already.

Speaker 8 (56:43):
Sure, So I mean any place in which we are
elevating the tech sector here in which we are sharing
the stories in which we are interconnecting folks, that is
always beneficial. And so it's not about being on an
island and staying on this island, right, how do we
reach out, how do we elevate how do we make
sure we're connecting the right folks to the right people.

(57:05):
So anything that's happening similar to that, I think is
a good opportunity. And then how do we just bring
that forward as well? And so for anyone who does
want to know more, who wants to get connected into
the tech sector more, Next week at Innovation Week is
a really great way to do that. We're going to
have people from all sectors, from every single sector coming

(57:25):
to it. We have some really great keynotes as well
that are coming in and with a bit of a
Newfoundland and laborator flair, I think we're also doing some
innovative things. So you're going to see the very first
battle of the Band, which is raising money for charity,
and you're also going to say, i mean, Patty, you
talked about it earlier, but the importance of pitches and

(57:45):
so Genesis and Techno. They're also bringing in Michelle Romanov
from Dragons. Then who is going to help do the
pitch and pick for Genesis. So there's going to be
a lot of topics covered, but a lot of what
we're talking about here, how do we elevate our sector,
how do we continue to break in the bigger markets.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Pre sent your time this morning, Joanna, Good luck and
enjoy Innovation Week next week.

Speaker 8 (58:07):
Awesome, appreciate the Patty.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Bye bye bye. Joanna Brown is the chair Tech Announce
Board of Director. So let's take a break, don't go AUIECT,
welcome back to the show. Let's go to nighte ever
three you saying more to the program lead at the CNIB.
That's Kelly Picco. Good morning, Kelly around the air, Good morning.

Speaker 11 (58:22):
I am calling today. CNIB nationwide offers a variety of
social and recreational programs for participants who are blind or
partially cited. These programs and services are offered in person
and virtually the virtual programs for the most part, are

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offered to participants nationwide, but the in person programs are
offered to participants locally who are blind are partially cited.
So we have a number of local programs here in
Finland that are social and recreational and we are also
offering a large variety of other programs here in Newfoundland

(59:12):
in different communities around the province. So in order to
offer these programs, we do need volunteers to help run them.
We don't have a large number of staff here in Newfoundland,
so the more volunteers we can get to help out

(59:33):
the better. And volunteers are able to discuss with me
times that work for them to offer these programs and
locations that work for them to offer the programs. So
if you're interested in learning more about social immcreational programs

(59:55):
that are being offered, if you're interested in offering a
different program, or if you're interested in volunteering, you can
contract me at CNIB. My phone number is seven zero
nine six nine one six four seven eight, and I

(01:00:15):
will be happy to chat with you about programs, ideas
and volunteering.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Give us an idea some programs that are available at
at CNIB that people might not even be aware of.
I think people understand some of the basics well.

Speaker 11 (01:00:31):
A lot of the social and recreational programs do consist
of fun. So here at CNIB in Saint John's we
have a karaoke night, we have a social which is
once a month, we'll go out to dinner, or we'll

(01:00:51):
meet at CNIB for a coffee, or we'll just have
a chat as a group. And I have a music
and friends group. So this is a virtual program where
participants can listen to a live performer that may be

(01:01:12):
a local performer or a nationwide performer. So they participants
can listen to the performer for an hour and you know,
they may even want to sing along for a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Yeah, fair enough for me. In a bit of socializing
is as important as some of the other type of
programs you operate, Kelly, appreciate the time. Anything else you
want to tell us this morning.

Speaker 11 (01:01:39):
No, that's fine, thank you very much. And if anyone
is interested in volunteering or attending programs, please call me
and I will be happy to discuss this with you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Appreciate your time, thank you, thank you, welcome Pip bye.
Just quick one once again, this oide of the corner
of my email. Kind of stuff. And if I don't
bring it up doesn't mean it's not worth bringing up.
I'll leave that up to you. And this one comes
from a listener for who's originally from here but now
lives in the province. Valberta like many people originally from

(01:02:11):
this province too, and it's about the pathway to any
potential referendum on whether or not they should remain as
part of Canada, which is mind boggling that we're here again.
So one thing that did happen is that the Premier,
Daniel Smith, lord of the threshold regarding the number of
signatures required to trigger a vote on separation here in

(01:02:33):
Alberta and of course separating from the country, So it
looks like they're coming up shy and the number of
signatures required. When asked about it, the premier, who just
last week said that she's not pushing this concept, even
though she clearly is. I mean the premier load the
signature threshold to trigger a referraendum, and when asked as
to whether or not it was, what she thought about

(01:02:54):
the fact that looks like they're coming up, she's short.
She said, that's a shame. Why is that a shame?
And the question apparently was going to be as fundamental
as should Alberta remain in Canada, And it's organized not
by the UCP, but of course by the Forever Canadian movement,
but that's still ongoing in the Province of Alberta. Now,
I've never seen a poll that shows that the referend

(01:03:15):
would be successful in triggering what would then be arduous, complicated,
lengthy discussions about how it actually works or if it
could even work period. But yes, and I'm not even
sure where that email or thought about it, whether or
not he or she was in favor of the separation
conversation that's going on in Alberta. And of course it'll

(01:03:35):
make constant reference to Quebec on that front. I don't
know why if it's so called, if it was a
mistake for Quebec and a problem for Quebec who have
initiated separation conversations over the decades, why is it any
difference any different in Alberta. And for those listening like
I just seem to think it's a terrible idea and
I hope it never happens. But we'll continue to have

(01:03:56):
that conversation, I suppose, into the future. But even you
know the threshold was lowered, they might be coming up
still a bit shy from that automatic triggering of a referendum.
And again, I don't know why people get mad at
questions being asked, and for me to ask questions about
a Upper Churchill MoU referendum for startters. We don't really

(01:04:17):
know a whole whole lot about it or the potential
for it. So I'll reiterate the questions because I think
they're fair. Is number one. When so if it's going
to be during the negotiations or after a definitive contract
is returned or contracts our return so we have a
bit more detail and put the back behind the horse
and exactly what the question is and is it only

(01:04:38):
one question? So I don't know why people get mad
at me for asking questions about things that have been
pledged or promised by the incoming premiere. I mean, we're
talking about something that's pretty consequentially in the future, half
a trillion dollars worth of complex issues at the expansion
of the upper or the transmission to accommodate expansion, the
potential for goal the transmission associated with GOL. Some people

(01:05:00):
will leen on, well, we need the money. We can't
be panicked, you know. I think it's very similar now,
obviously at a much different scale, when we have conversations
about the struggle is real and the need for additional
revenue streams, whether it be for a municipality and or
for the provisional government. Sometimes that puts us in a
funny spot. You know, I'll give a small scale example

(01:05:21):
Stephenville Airport. You know, for a long time, like in
former mayor of time w' brian just passed away last week,
he was flagging the worries at the Stephenville Airport for
a long time and a long time ago. And with
that conversation and the way it sounded. Of course, when
Carl Diamond comes to town making these extraordinarily lofty promises
and none of which have come to pass, of course,

(01:05:42):
people saw that golden egg. They finally saw that carrod
at the end of the stick, and consequently bad decisions
were made. We can't be forced into a bad decision here.
But yeah, when's the independent review? What exactly is going
on with that? And when would a referendum be And
because the Premier designate mister wakem has said it would
be a I need referendum. So we'll keep asking the

(01:06:03):
basic obvious questions about such an important issue. Right right,
let's take a break, don't go away, welcome back to
show it's got a number one. Say more to Lee
Harvey with the quarterback B Company. Good morning, Lee, you're
on the air. Good morning, Patty, morning to you. Good

(01:06:23):
morning Patty, Good morning to you, Lee. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
Yeah here I told to you last year and I'm
always been halfing about being one of them.

Speaker 12 (01:06:33):
This morning is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Lee.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
The connection is really terrible. Let's do a little shuffling
around the room and see if we can clear it up. Yeah, okay,
oh that's better.

Speaker 8 (01:06:44):
Go ahead, good Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:06:47):
Cell phones are wonderful. I just found it interesting you
were causing you were talking the co innovation UH today
we're crossing over today. They have a co cafe set
up in their in their billion and down off round
Staveanger and the Orona building, and they they contacted us

(01:07:08):
they wanted to connect with some local some local UH
suppliers so as A as A as A B company.
They found that they thought it was pretty interesting and
and so they said, will be interested in collaborating with
So we are. We're going to be there tomorrow. They're
going to use our product for in some of their
coffees and honey butters and some of their particular bagels

(01:07:32):
and and whatever. So we're going to be there tomorrow
from eleven until two to answer any questions at the
Coke Cafe, and we're also going to going to carry
our room touring the store, our infuse honeys and and
red honeys and some honey butters and yeah, so they're
just one colon Lee.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
How has your company grown over the.

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
Years, Uh, very well.

Speaker 12 (01:07:57):
Where this is our going into our sixth year, were
over a hundred hives now and we started off, you know, small,
seven or eight hives, and we have somebody outlets I'm
going to say maybe ten outlets across the island.

Speaker 6 (01:08:09):
We have, we have our product.

Speaker 12 (01:08:11):
So we've grown tremendously and we will continue to grow
and we're always coming up with new products. We just
launched a new product, chap Infused toney. We have a
complete line of h honeybuters, parks, is berry, blueberry, cinnamon
and some other things. So we've grown, We've grown yeah,

(01:08:32):
pretty well, you know, and we will continue to grow.
I would support, obviously if the federal provincial government through
the SKAP program and indeed to be keeping associations starting
to kind of level off. There was there was a
tremendous amount of movement on the past five years and
that was kind of leveling off. This is probably the
fifth year now that really that that bee keeping started

(01:08:56):
to move. I'm want to say fifth, you know, summer seven,
five years beekeeping really start kitching out here on the
plane and so we're we're continuously having road.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Yeah, I mean even in the world of backyard beekeeping.
It's amazing to me. I know, people are just over
the course of the last five years. And some of this,
of course was during the pandemic and some of the
restrictions people were facing. Buddies of mine who I didn't
think had any interest in anything like that whatsoever, they
have backyard bee their backyard beekeepers. It's truly amazing stuff.

(01:09:27):
Like personally, I think some people might be half interested
in it but are kind of afraid of bees. Well,
how do people overcome that or how do you you know,
approach the fear that many many people have with bees
and the concept of beekeeping up business.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
And we also are.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Yeah, connection has gone again there now, Lee, they were
going to put them on hold and I'll let you
speak with them, see if we can't get a bit
of a reasonab connect. It's the first thing comes to
my mind when we talk about bees in the backyard.
Most people would avoid bees at all costs, even though
obviously a healthy bee population is critically important. And we're

(01:10:12):
lucky in this problems. We have an extremely healthy bee population.
In other parts of the world, they're struggling widely. You know.
We talk about agriculture off the top and things like
floods and fires and droughts and insects. But the places
that have an unhealthy bee population, that's an additional struggle
that's becoming extremely difficult to overcome. We're lucky here because

(01:10:32):
remember all the debates that we were being had about
importing bees or not importing bees, whether or not they
could sit in quarantine to be proven to be safe,
to add to the bee population, which always seemed like
a very risky venture to me, given to the stories
that we read elsewhere when the bee population becomes unhealthy
and what that means for the very fundamentals of growing food.

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So I think we're pretty lucky around here. Let's go
to line number two and takeing more into the chair
at larsh avalon that Sheila M. Cannon draw he good morning, Shila,
you're on the.

Speaker 13 (01:11:00):
Good morning Patty, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Happy to do it.

Speaker 13 (01:11:03):
I think the last time that anyone talked about LARSH
on your line was when Nancy Reid called in. I
happened to hear her. You know Nancy, of course, she's
the executive director of the Coalition for Persons with Disabilities,
and she called after our amazing, wonderful announcement from government
about funding for larsha Avalon and we're very pleased about that.

(01:11:27):
But that's not why i'm calling today. I'm calling about
our to let your listeners know about our annual weekend.
We have a gathering. Our annual gathering, we have one
every month just with our members and anyone else who's
interested to drop in. But this is one weekend in
the fall. We have two full days on Saturday, the

(01:11:50):
twenty fifth and Sunday the twenty sixth. Out this year,
it's out at the Sunshine Camp on Thorburne Road. It'll
go from ten to four on Saturday and ten to
two on Sunday, and we do serve lunch, so anybody
is welcome to come. And obviously, well you know, and

(01:12:12):
I guess a lot of your listeners know that LARS
is an organization which supports adults with intellectual disabilities. So
at our annual At our annual gathering, our regional leader
will be here. She's from Halifax and she's bringing a
core member with her, what we call core members, our

(01:12:32):
adults who have intellectual disabilities. And we're having four other
visitors as well, two from Anakinish and two from k Breton.
So we're looking forward to a lovely weekend and invite
your liter listeners who have adults in their family or

(01:12:52):
who are caregivers of adults with intellectual disabilities to join
us if they'd like to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Sounds about right before I let you all of Sheila,
can you give us or give the listeners a little
bit more detailed about the funding announcement because we did
speak with Naci read about it. But now that we
have you, what was the funding announcement? What does it entail?

Speaker 13 (01:13:09):
Well, this was before all the all the promises from
all the various different different leaders. This was a commitment
in writing actually from government to provide funding up to
two million dollars for the construction of the two homes
that we're planning to build here in Saint John's plus

(01:13:30):
one point six million dollars in operating costs and that
will be raised as according to the you know, the
cost of living index when the when the house is open. Now,
we already have land in Pleasantville. We bought that from
the federal government from Canada Lands and so we're we're

(01:13:54):
just waiting now for the new government to get in
place and get you know, get to work and we'll
carry on with the planning of the building and the
construction of the building. So we're very excited about that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Terrific And before we run out of time, sheild give
us the details one more time for this weekend and
what people can.

Speaker 13 (01:14:14):
Expect, well, there'll be lots of music. We have in
house musicians and we also have our music circle which
is Jan Bewley and her husband David, and we have
five students coming from the university who are music students
and they'll be conducting the hour long between two and
three on Saturday, and we'll have music throughout the whole weekend.

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But there'll be some videos and lots of games. It's
all inside. We hope to be able to go out
for a walk if we don't get the rain this forecast.
But it's from ten to four Patty on Saturday, with
lunch served hot lunch and then on Sunday, it's from
ten to two and our lunch will serve lunch then,

(01:14:58):
but it'll be a lighter lunch like sam and wraps
or something like that. So it you know, it's going
to be a fun weekend. That's the point of it,
and time to get together and get to know get
to know one another. And yeah, we're looking forward to
it this year. It's talking about interconnectedness because you know,

(01:15:21):
our whole, our whole philosophy is one of inclusion and
so we're celebrating that. And you're welcome to come to
if you'd like. We'd love to see you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
I appreciate the invitation, Sheila, congratulations on the funding and
have a good time this weekend.

Speaker 13 (01:15:37):
Thanks very much, Patty, you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Hye bye bye. Sheelia mckinn drovers the chair at larsh
Avalon just quickly and this just happened. So the Canada
Industrial Relations Board has dismissed and are being made by
Canada Post Union or Workers' Union. That of course, the
government ordered them back to work using the authority afforded
to them by Section one oh seven of the Kindada

(01:15:59):
Labor Code. The Canadian or the Candida Industry Relations Board
says it is not unconstitutional. So that order has now stood.
The use of Section one oh seven has happened a
lot here in the recent past. It's how they stopped
the rail strike, It's how they stopped the port strike.
It's what they were talking about. Insofar as the Air
Canada flight attendants. And remember the leadership of that particular

(01:16:21):
you were saying they'd be willing to pay the piper.
They would tell their flight attendants not to go back
to work if they were ordered back to work, which
comes with significant finds and the potential go to jail.
So Canada Posts unionized workers have been told that the
back to work order is not unconstitutional. What that means
into the future, and even just that broad stroke relationship

(01:16:41):
between the federal government and people who are working in
federally regulated industries and represented by one union or another.
And I think people kind of under sell just how
many industries are federally regulated in this country. Maybe we
can touch on that or whatever you want to talk
about right after this break, No go away, welcome back
to the show. Let's go Let three Trent Arend the Air.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
Good Morning, Patty Morning. Just wanted to make people weird.
There may be a moose hanging around just east of
Gamble River on the highway. Trying to just you know,
with the public aware that there was an accident there
this morning, but it could be a second moose hanging
around at all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Do we happen to know how serious that moose vehicle
collision was this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
I'm not sure the details.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
Nope, I know there was one moose removed from the highway.

Speaker 5 (01:17:29):
Not sure of the status of the vehicle, people or
anything like that, but.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
That's all well. I appreciate the heads up, Trent, and
so if you're in and around that part of the
transcand the highway around the Gambo River, it may indeed
be yet another most lurking so be careful and cautious.
Appreciate this trend. Thanks for doing it. Have a good
one pet you too, well, all the best, Bye bye.
And I guess it's just we're throwing out there, like
I don't know what the weather and the visibilities like
where you are. It's deteriorating here on cam Out Road.

(01:17:59):
It's really gray and seemingly getting a bit worse and
maybe some rain in the forecast. So it's always worthwhile
to have your moose radar up and active if you're
out in the highway here today, Which brings me back
to this twenty eight year old fellow going two hundred
and seven miles an hour. I O don'tun Pasadena, two
hundred and seven. Can you imagine if anything popped up

(01:18:21):
from a rabbit to a rat to a moose. I mean,
the devastation can be left behind if there's some sort
of incident or collision when you're going that break neck speed.
I just simply couldn't. I couldn't believe what I was
reading this morning. It's all bad enough. At bottom of
that story there was a lady pulled over going one
hundred and fifty seven kilometers an hour, but two oh seven.

(01:18:42):
The only thing I've ever been in going two oh
seven was an airplane, and you know, a different set
of circumstances. Oh, speaking of airplanes, and I was just
asked their operations have they been resumed at Wabush Airport?
The answer is yes, and thankfully so, Matt like who
makes these decisions. Back in twenty twenty, Transport Canada changed
the designation for the airport, and then consequently yet another

(01:19:04):
designation was changed, and I guess. Luckily phill Earl, who
was the laborador MP was able to quickly get this rectified,
and good on them. But who changes the designations without
understanding that if you're going to change them, then you
have to have the firefighting and crash rescue services on site.
And that was for any aircraft that carried nineteen passengers,

(01:19:24):
and more so, unbeknownst to people in operations at the airport,
they changed it again, and it never should have been
changed in the first place. I mean, some of the
way they head count the numbers of people flying in
and or the number of aircraft coming. A lot of
the count was done based on regularly scheduled flights by
the airlines, but we know there's a lot of fly

(01:19:45):
in and fly out done in charters coming in and
out of Wabbush. So yes, the flights have been resumed
and the pathway to reinstating all the crash rescue services
and the firefighting services they just need to be in place.
I mean, that's a pretty busy airport in the big
scheme of things. Let's see here, let's get into line

(01:20:06):
number one and good morning, Wanda, you're on the air.

Speaker 7 (01:20:10):
Hello Patty, good morning, how are you doing to that?

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Very well? Thanks? How about you?

Speaker 7 (01:20:14):
I'm doing well, thank you. This is my first time,
so forgive me if I go a little.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Too far too you take your time, go ahead.

Speaker 7 (01:20:23):
My name is Wanda Butler and I'm a creator of
a tech and an initiative here in New Zealand, and
I'm a divorce professional, we'll say, by nature, and so
I've been working in the space of the family justice
system for the last ten years. Since twenty seventeen, I

(01:20:43):
actually acquired formal education to be able to help with
the financial and property aspects of separation and help individuals
to have a better understanding of it. So I'm calling
because I'm really hopeful that the new government is going
to pay some attention to the family justice crisis and
to the need for change in our family justice system

(01:21:05):
and to do something about the archaic ways that we
are rolling out justice for families that are in transition.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
So let's talk a little bit about how it works
today and potential changes that you think should be implemented.

Speaker 7 (01:21:22):
Well, mindset I'm going to say is the first if
somebody's going through separation, our first initial instinct to say, hey,
you've got to call a lawyer. But sometimes individuals might
have just financial issues and it might not be legal issues,
and in a crisis mode, maybe a lawyer is not
what they need. They need comm they need a place

(01:21:44):
to explore their options right and they need a safe place.
So maybe the adversarial rout is not always the way
to go, But that's our only initial instinct is to
recommend a lawyer. And I'm not saying that lawyers don't
have a place in the process, but the process should
be tailored to what their legal needs are and not
exhaust or resources and trying to sort through credit card statements,

(01:22:06):
for example, figure out who owns most of the debt.
Makes no sense to pay legal fees to have somebody
go through your credit card statements to assign debt, and
to go into debt over dead. It's like having your
car told when it's not a gas.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Yeah, fair point. How do you replace it? Look, just
the concept of divorce, you know, in and of itself,
sounds and feels like adversarials type of conditions. Now, you can,
of eat have friendly parting of ways, some are much
more hostile than others. But is there actually a realistic
way to avoid the adversarial concept of divorce, especially when
we're talking about money.

Speaker 7 (01:22:42):
Yes, one thousand percent, one thousand percent, And it's like
the saying the quote in order to in order to pull,
in order to pull, we got to stop pulling people
out of the river and get further up to the
mouth of the river to figure.

Speaker 10 (01:22:59):
Out water in So again it comes to the mindset.

Speaker 7 (01:23:03):
The first initial reaction is go and fill out court forms.
So we've got to change the process and make it
more amicable, and make the financial and the property issues
about the financial and property issues and leave the maybe
unbundled services for example, where the legal fees are just
for custody and child and all that kind of stuff,

(01:23:25):
and it pertains to all of that, and we kind
of do a streamlined process for the property and the
financial part and that gets sorted before an applications ever
made for anything, and not letting people expect that they're
going to get fairness three years down the road and
all of the equity and the financial resources are completely depleted.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Yeah, I mean, sometimes the emotions take over and the
fight that and so it's becomes more costly than just
an amicable settling.

Speaker 7 (01:23:56):
Absolutely, but we have a due diligence. Now to recommend
that people find an alternative and amicable way of sorting
their financial affairs, because again, it's a burden on the
court system for somebody to fight over equity in a
home and at the end of the day lose all
of that equity in legal fees and court costs. So

(01:24:18):
there's got to be a better way to kind of
redirect it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Yeah, can you give us some know how detailed you
want to be here, but like, just take me a
picture where what you suggest would be less costly, more amicable,
and fairer. Just kind of walk us through a specific example.

Speaker 7 (01:24:40):
Obtain full financial clarity, so understand exactly what you own,
what you own, what you make, and what you spend.
Go through the financial part first, immediately upon separation. You
don't have to rush out to a lawyer. That year
of separation can be about cooling up the financials and
coming to agreement on so that you don't have a

(01:25:01):
contested divorce. So my recommendation is to go through those things.
Use for financial professionals, use your financial advisor to assess
values and do the financial digging and gather your documents yourself, so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
That kind of sounds like, get your financial docs in
a row before you.

Speaker 7 (01:25:23):
Fight over one one thousand percent. Do the financial aspect
of it. Get some clarity on your financial picture, Understand
what your financially feasible options are before you actually go
and say, hey, my wish list is this. Sometimes it's
on realistic expectations of being able to take over a

(01:25:44):
mortgage or a family home, and you might have your
feet dug in saying hey, I'm going to fight for
this and take over the family home, only to end
up planning out that you don't financially qualify because of
debt servicing or because of you don't have enough left
over out of the equity, out of legal fees and
other court costs in order to be able to secure mortgage.

Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:26:06):
So, just understanding your financially feasible option so that when
you put it forth to a mediator or to a lawyer,
that it's a sound and it's a firm financial decision
that you're making and it can be vetted to be
something that's in your best interest.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Absolutely. I mean, thankfully I don't have to entertain that
particular conversation on a personal level, but I've had buddies
go through it, and you know, to watch what it
means and how they wear it on their face, and
just how extraordinarily difficult it can be is in some
form heartbreaking. It's all bad enough when the partnership dissolves,

(01:26:45):
but then the aftermath of finally deciding that the separation
is going to become divorced. For some they can get
through it and they can navigate through affairs financially and otherwise.
But for others it's a it just looks overwhelming to me.
Let's you want to say this morning, Well we have you.

Speaker 7 (01:27:05):
Just be kind to one another, and if there's an
opportunity to explore different ways and to do it without
going the adversarial route, take that opportunity because in the
long run, it's going to be your pocket and your
future that's on the line.

Speaker 8 (01:27:20):
People shouldn't lose their.

Speaker 7 (01:27:21):
Home for their divorce.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
No, you would, hope, not one. I appreciate you making
time for the program this morning. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:27:30):
Well, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 10 (01:27:31):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
My pleasure to take care, Bye bye bye. Yeah. I
mean you've seen it as much as I've. If you've
got friends who have gone through especially a very contentious, adversarial,
downright vicious divorce. It can be just brutal to watch,
even if you're not intimately involved. And then you know,

(01:27:53):
just something on that end, there's a concept associated with
that that you know it's probably not it's certainly not
as big a deal as it is for the people
who are getting the divorce. But what becomes really strange
and not weird on the heels of it is how
you divvy up the friends. I mean, you notice as
well as I do. If you came into it as
a friend of the man or a friend of the woman,

(01:28:15):
then on the heels of it, it can be quite
awkward to continue to be friendly, even though I don't
feel that way, like I'm not going to get in
the business of sharing friends, you know, unless one side
or the other did something egregious. But divving up the
friends is part of it. You know it to be true.
Let's go and take a break, Go make a back
plenty show left for you. Don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Welcome back to the program and let's go to a line.
Nuper two sagond Moore to Patina Ford. Patina Ford was
the deputy mayor of Gander. Now she has successfully held
a seat in Gander for the Liberals and she joins
us online too. Patina around the air. Hi, good morning, Patty,
good morning to you.

Speaker 14 (01:29:08):
Congratulations, well, thank you very much. It's been just over
a week since the election, so before too much time
had passed, I really wanted to call in and thank
you and open line for all of the opportunities provided
for people to engage in the election and discussion, and

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to thank the voters of Gander District for their support.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Let's dig into some of the issues. Number one and
this is I think an issue facing politicians of every stripe,
provincially and federally, is like, you know, members of parliaments
were told that they could no longer take walk in appointments.
You know, there had to be much more security at it,
whether it be for the Prime Minister all the way
down through the ranks. Same thing happened to John Hagey
out and Gander. I mean, change the way that the

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office operated, So just give us your thoughts on you know,
that type of is before we give them some issues
specific to the Gander district, things have heightened, tensions are real.
The whether it be threats and or just hostility and
politicians has is something that I think turns a lot
of people away from it, But it obviously didn't you Why.

Speaker 14 (01:30:16):
For me, I guess it didn't turn me away. Maybe
my twelve years serving in municipal politics helped me develop
the skin for.

Speaker 10 (01:30:26):
It a bit.

Speaker 14 (01:30:28):
But I do feel, yeah, the divisiveness, it's something to
be concerned about now. I will say here in Gander District,
my opponent who ran for the PC party, Tom and
I our friends. We've volunteered together through the years. So
the campaign in Gander was really respectful and engaging between

(01:30:48):
us as candidates and with our supporters. So that was
a great start to this. But yeah, and I mean
the concept of appointments versus walk in. Typically I have
heard and found in my own experience when people need
to reach out to their elected officials, there's usually an issue,

(01:31:09):
a problem, some frustration. So having a moment to like
take a breath before walking into an office, that's not
necessarily a bad thing, right that that can help people
prepare for the meeting, It can help people gather their thoughts,
but it is unfortunate. I think there are really terrific

(01:31:31):
community leaders who would like to be in public office.
But the divisiveness, and you know, the anonymity of social
media as well, and how people I guess you don't
get courageous as keyboard warriors. That's concerning to people too.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Yeah. I'm not a politician, but I get that concept
and I live it. Okay, let's get into some issues
inside of Gander itself. So for for sorry is this
is probably a question better or a PC candidate or
part of me a PC elected member. Do you happen
to know when the government's being sworn in?

Speaker 7 (01:32:06):
I do not.

Speaker 14 (01:32:07):
I'm waiting for myself when we as MHAs will be
sworn in.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Yeah, it'd be kind of interesting to know when that's
going to happen, so we can get down to the
brass tacks inside Gander proper. I think we all share
very similar concerns, costs of living, access to primary care
and the healthcare system and otherwise. Do you have specific
issues inside Gander that you find to be the top
of the pile on your desk when you get sworn in.

Speaker 14 (01:32:32):
So there were issues, yeah, for sure, and there are
in the district. The Atlantic Wildfire Center for example, that's
a huge opportunity.

Speaker 7 (01:32:42):
For this district.

Speaker 14 (01:32:44):
But as soon as the election was over, like right away,
I started hearing from people where promises were made during
this election and people expect those promises to be fulfilled.
One issue, for example, that came up sharing the campaign
was a lack of student assistant and IRT supports for

(01:33:08):
some students in schools here in the Gander district. So
those parents at a meeting last night, and I felt
privileged to have been invited to that and to continue
that conversation throughout the campaign. I mean, I did have
confidence in the Liberal Party, in Premier John Hogan's ability
for us to deliver on the promises that we made,

(01:33:32):
partly because we had identified a mega source of revenue
right that would help with the debt with funding programs.
So I don't have that same level of confidence in
the PC government going in. I want to give people
the benefit of the doubt that you know, they're not
even sworn in yet, that they will deliver on these promises.

(01:33:53):
But that's what I'm hearing now that people want those
promises delivered. I mean, you know, the House of Assembly
should be having a fall sitting. I can't imagine that
that will happen now that the new government will be
able to get things together and get legislation together to
bring into the House.

Speaker 10 (01:34:13):
And I mean that's where the business.

Speaker 14 (01:34:14):
Of government gets done. So I'm anxious to get in
there this fall. So that's really the conversation that I'm
hearing here in this district. People had lots of different priorities,
you know, for themselves, their families, organizations, businesses. So now
it's okay, promises were made, let's see them happen.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Would you not support an additional independent review of the
Upper Churchill MoU given the fact that you know what
Justice Lebla had to say the Muskraft Falls inquiry was
crystal clear capital expenditure in access of fifty million dollars
deserves that extra scrutiny. Would you not be in favor
of that level of scrutiny.

Speaker 14 (01:34:51):
I'm definitely in favor of having the right questions asked.
I mean, I read THEU. It's a flog of a read.
When I think about the MoU and this new opportunity.
Like I wasn't there, but I did watch what happened

(01:35:12):
that when experts were in the House of Assembly and
they're willing and available to answer questions, the PC Party left,
They walked out. So they didn't vote yes, they didn't
vote no. Instead they left. And you know, as a

(01:35:32):
politician myself, as someone who serves municipally making decisions, that's
your job to speak and vote on behalf of your constituents.
So like that was really alarming to me. And so
now that they are in power, I mean, my biggest
hope is that they don't let this opportunity slip through

(01:35:54):
our fingers. I mean, everybody can agree that the nineteen
sixty nine deal were we were done wrong right as
new Landers and Labradorians. So the people of Gander District
who I spoke to during the election, not all, but most,
they saw the MoU, this this new deal as an
opportunity to sort out the province right. And it was

(01:36:18):
the Liberal government that was able to bring Quebec to
the table to even consider opening up this deal seventeen
years early. The deal that you know we all agree
was not good for New Flanders and Labradorians. So it's
just it's such an opportunity that you know, I do
wish the PC government well, their success is all of

(01:36:39):
our success, but don't let this opportunity flip through our fingers.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
And not to split hairs or to quibble, but in
this circumstance it was actually Quebec initiated the conversation about
reopening and why because they had their eyes on the
coveted Gull Island side. Is my suggestion there last time,
afore I let you go between. We haven't heard anything
from John Hogan since the concession speech on election night. Historically,
leaders who lose in this fashion are short for the job.

(01:37:09):
Do you have continued to support for John Hogan to
remain the leader of the Liberal Party?

Speaker 8 (01:37:14):
I do.

Speaker 14 (01:37:15):
Premier John Hogan is one of the reasons why I
decided to run provincially. To be honest, Patty, I saw
him as.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
A terrific leader.

Speaker 14 (01:37:25):
He's looking at the province through the same lens as
me as a parent with children in the school system,
and I do have a lot of confidence in his
continued leadership in the party this opposition and nobody runs
to be in opposition. I mean, we all want to
be on government side, but opposition is such an important

(01:37:45):
role in our democracy. And when we look right now
at the makeup of government, the official opposition will have
ten former ministers of government cabinet ministers in the official opposition,
and the official Opposition has to hold this new government
to account and to represent the interests of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians. So,

(01:38:07):
especially when it comes to the MoU and where this
deal is headed, I don't think there's anybody better to
be leader of the Opposition than John Hogan.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
I wonder when we will eventually hear from John Hogan,
because of course everyone who gets a chance to asking
me a question is going to be you know, where
mistakes were made, whether it be with leaning so hard
on the Upper Churchill m OU, given that there was
plenty of public questions and concerns and pushback and downright
condemnation of it. So anyway, I'll leave those questions for
John Hogan. But I appreciate your time this morning. Betina.

(01:38:39):
Congratulations once again.

Speaker 14 (01:38:41):
Yeah, thanks thanks so.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Much, You're welcome. Bye bye. Beatina Ford is the Liberal
MHA elect in the voting district of Gander, and once
again it's hard enough to see things floating in and
out of my screen here. But you know when people
talk about reopening the House of Assembly and will remains
me seeing because mister wakem was highly queer of just
how few days members actually sit in the House of

(01:39:03):
Assembly conducting the people's business for everyone to see and hear.
And that's a fair question, So be curious to see
whether or not that changes. And then it's the concept
of what goes on in so far as what we see.
Some people are really quick to want to tune in
to watch question period, even though for my money, provincially
and federally, it's as much frustrating as it is illuminating

(01:39:25):
to watch what goes on. It really truly is. So
some of it's really quite petty and juvenile. Very little
of it is very factually helpful to inform voters and
to really get a firm understanding as to where people stand. Look,
I get that you know the transparency issue to know
exactly what goes on for people who are genuinely curious.

(01:39:46):
Number One, you can attend and you can sit in
the visitors gallery and hanswer. It is a transcript of
every word uttered. Now some of it will have, you know,
in parentheses inaudible, because there's lots of you know, childish
playground barbs hurled from all corners of the House of Assembly.
But does it not feel like it's probably gotten worse

(01:40:08):
and the juvenile antics and the shenanigans have only increased
based on the factor on camera. You know, it's that
want to be able to secure that one little highlight
or low light for coming from the question periods provincially
and federally where that's driving a lot of the conversation.
You know, trying to get the members of your respective

(01:40:29):
party to bang on their desk seems to be as
important as actually offering meaningful, thoughtful commentary, regardless if you're
sitting in the opposition benches and or the seed of government.
So I think the cameras have made things just worse.
And I know we're never going to put that toothpaste
back in the tube. We're not going to revert to
no cameras covering the ongoing question periods both levels of

(01:40:51):
government or I guess at the third level of government, municipal,
But it never seems quite as bad municipally. Yes, every
now and then we get the sparks flying, and the
same sort of issue indeed be part of the municipal
government operations and council meetings. But boy oh boy, on
a national stage in particular, it's hard to believe that
so many very serious, well intentioned people once they get elected.

(01:41:15):
Number one, they're just become sometimes part of robots. And
number two, it's about sound bites versus actually doing the
hard work, you know, make politics boring again. I think
we'd all be better served the culture personality that drives
people's voting intentions and their ongoing support I don't think
is really open. Let's get a break and when we
come back, Tonzi Showlert for you, don't go away, Welcome

(01:41:36):
back to the program. Let's go to line number one.

Speaker 5 (01:41:38):
Good morning Mary, or on the air, Oh good morning Channy,
just here to call or call you.

Speaker 10 (01:41:46):
A person in carabineir with regarding the health issue that
she was dealing with. It seems like every almost every
day you have someone calling in regarding some kind of
the health issue, which basically comes down to them not

(01:42:07):
getting answers or delayed in responses to.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
The carrying me.

Speaker 10 (01:42:12):
So I was calling in you now wondering if I could,
if I could, if she would call me back, and
we can discuss some of the issues that I've been
dealing with with my family, and that way we may
be able to, I don't know, start some kind of

(01:42:33):
a petition for the president government to set up some
kind of a system whereby people who are desperately seeking
answers they can have access to an independent advoacy authority
to a system through this process, because, I mean, the

(01:42:55):
health system is very complex and no public excluding myself,
even though I do have some knowledge of the system,
it's terrible what they're going through. So I just wanted
to say she spoke quite well regarding her issue, and

(01:43:18):
I was just wondering maybe maybe the public should start
to demand some respect in the system, because there isn't
anything there right now. I mean, and ap permeates the
whole system throughout every every part of it. It's not

(01:43:40):
just it's not just in long term here or emergency
or I mean rehab everywhere on the issues that people
are experiencing is terrible, and for the most part, unless
you have some kind of an insight in the system,
I would expect that ninety percent of the people are

(01:44:02):
just taking all the information that they're being given from
the system and not contesting it, and on till that
until something gets in place to do that and to
help the people, it's not going to improve.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
No, you're right. You know, inside the world of healthcare,
you know it's not only complicated and very disconnected or disjointed,
but once you enter into it, there's very likely something
wrong with you, and so consequently the anxiety kind of
takes over your ability to maybe critically think about how
to navigate the system. Same thing with your family. Not
everyone has a champion in their corner either, right, So

(01:44:43):
the concept of a patient navigator for those who need
it can be extremely helpful and it could put a
worried mind at ease, which is part and parcel of
recovery and getting better and having your symptoms managed. So
you're right, you know, the last time anyone belonged to
our family was part of the system, chasing answers around
and not even knowing who to ask questions of, because

(01:45:04):
not everybody on the board has an answer to all
the big operational questions, but someone should and that person
should be easy to get hold of.

Speaker 10 (01:45:14):
Well, I mean, thinking back, I mean the system seemed
to be a lot more accessible and easier to navigate,
I mean years ago than it is now. And I
have to smile to myself when I hear people like
Paraphrey and these people talking about these mythical teams that's

(01:45:36):
in place. Basically, when you look at it, this quote
team approach means that no one is taking any responsibility
for the whole person, and you got to go from
one to the other to the other. It's like if

(01:45:57):
the sick person or the person who is something wrong
cannot and their relatives. You know, you look at the
older people now, I mean some don't even have anyone
to advocate for them, and those that can are just
being moorn out. Like that quote, the supposedly health system

(01:46:20):
that's supposed to help you, it's basically conting more stress
and anxiety and sickness than it's curing.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
From my perspective, I understand where you're coming from. You know,
the I guess the collaborative care teams is a little
bit more about needing to see your family doctor versus
getting into the system, as you know, with the additional
diagnostics and or for to be admitted to the hospital
or to have a surgery or what have you, But
I completely get your point. To make things more complicated

(01:46:50):
in an already complicated world that comes with a distinct
amount of worry and anxiety, because if you're dealing with
your health care then obviously your state of mind is
altered and to make it potentially worse is obviously counterproductive.
To say the very least.

Speaker 10 (01:47:07):
Something something has to change. And if nothing else, if this,
I mean the previous government was what's just this to anything? Personally,
I've been writing for about three or four years on
issues and completely ignored. Uh so, and there is there

(01:47:30):
is no there is no no agency, there's no authority
out there. There is nothing that you can access to
get any kind of resolution to what you're asking for.
So if this present government does nothing else but putting
in an independent advacity team, that would that would go

(01:47:53):
a long way in meetings everybody's need out there in
the p at least they would have someone in their corner.
Right now, our tax money is going to pay for
all these professional people and they can they can do

(01:48:14):
any but when it comes to the individual, there is
nothing to counter and help you get through the system.
And if they do not start to put something in
place to do that. The system I don't think is
ever going to change. I mean those uh, those authorities

(01:48:37):
that you know, the like the advocates for for system issues.
I mean that's a joke because we all know what
the system issues are and eventually it's going to be
a dressed But it's the individuals. And if the needs
of the individuals at the at the problem of this

(01:49:00):
this whole system, if if they would address it at
that time, then that would work itself up through the
system and you would get some some kind of improvement
in the system, and and and and and it would
help everybody if one if one, it's like one person

(01:49:22):
is not having an issue that's just pertinent to themselves.
I mean there's for everyone, there's maybe twenty haven't the
same issue. So it would certainly go I think a
long way. So if this, if this present government does
nothing else except that, and it would not cost them

(01:49:43):
any any money if they looked at where they're putting
their money now and then putting it towards uh, you know,
an authority that can help it help people. So that's
I I believe that that would be go that would
go a long way in helping in helping the system

(01:50:05):
improve itself, and also every individual in this problence if
they said someone in their corner, and I think that
our provincial government owes to the public to provide such
a mechanism to them instead of I mean the whole
system I mean is just protecting itself and nothing is

(01:50:29):
designed to protect itself, and no one and no one
can get through the system anyway. I have to go.
Thank you for listening to me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
I appreciate your time, Mary, thank you, Yes, okay, all right, byebye.
Very quickly, someone told me I should be ashamed of
myself that I didn't mention Nathan Cirello today October the
twenty seconds, not today, the twenty second of October twenty fourteen.
Nathan Sorello, who was the ceremonial Center guard on duty

(01:50:59):
at the Now War Memorial Canadian soldier Afghanistan veteran. He
was gone down and killed. And I did see that yesterday,
I guess maybe on my social media feed. So happy
to mention. It's most serious attack or security breach at
Parliament since the nineteen sixty six bombing. So extraordinarily sad news,
and it dominated the news for a long time because
for the obvious reasons. Then the perpetrator made their way

(01:51:22):
into Center Block. And you know people who talking about
Kevin Vickers who's now the ambassador to Ireland and he
was the Sergeant of Arms at the time. That was
finally the person who took him down. It's not true.
It's Constable Curtis Parrott from this province. He led the
Diamond formation into and from about four meters and he
reports feeling the bullet zipped by him as shot by

(01:51:43):
the perpetrator and from maybe as close a distance as
four meters, Barrett emptied his revolver or he's gone. I
don't know what kind of weapon he was using into
this guy. I won't even give his name out here.
And that's what brought an into that extremely scary and
tragic security breach, first at the National War Mooris and
then in the Center Block. Let's take a break for
the news. Let me come back. We're speaking with.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
You the Tim Powers Show, joining the Conversation weekday afternoons
at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
Welcome back. Let's go one number two. Daryl, you are
on the air.

Speaker 6 (01:52:15):
Oh hi, Patty, how are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
Pat You? Oh good?

Speaker 6 (01:52:19):
Thanks and thanks for having me on your show. There again, Pat,
do you want want to address us? Watching this on
the CBC National, how a lot of American healthcare workers
like nurses, urns and doctors are leaving the US now
and droves and come to Canada. And BC is right
on the ball with it. They're recruiting these people. And

(01:52:42):
I'll watched one where lady left and they're actually moving
to Canada, living here and setting up shop because they
just don't like the way things are happening down in
the US. So what I don't understand, Well, we got
severe shortage. Wow, how come you know Health Services is
not going to not targeting targeting that market? I mean

(01:53:03):
and uh, And it's working very well for BC. I
think so far they got over one hund and some
I'd already recruited, and there they're expecting is going to
be a tremendous more people flowing over the border. But
they're going down promoting ourselves and they're bringing them into
a BC. But now, on the other hand, I know
we got a lot of red tape, and the red

(01:53:25):
tape should be left, like for all doctors if you're
getting them from different parts of the world or even
within Canada. So I think that where we got to start.
We got to be alert to these things. And while
I was watching that, I said, Man, they're on the
ball over there in BC and different places there, and
their model they get a good retention rate. So why

(01:53:46):
don't we study their model? And it follow suit worder
recruiting medical professionals from the US because there's a good
time now because a lot of people are not happy
the way things are.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
Sure well, I mean we had recruitment efforts various parts
of the world, whether it be nurses from the Caribbean
or doctors from Ireland. And I've said this repeatedly regarding
the office in Boston. To have that solely focused in
on economic partnerships is kind of missing some opportunities. I
would suggest number one healthcare professionals, as you rightfully point

(01:54:18):
out BC, I think the numbers oneard and seventy nurses.
In addition to that, they're fast tracking credentials so that
when you come, you go to work, as opposed to
sit and wait and do the paperwork and sit and
wait and the cost. They're putting people right directly to work.
So I think we can use the Boston office for that.
And I would also add academia who's leaving the United States,
because academia is not just people who are offering lectures

(01:54:40):
at the university. There are also people that are creating
intellectual property, which is the new modern day driver of
the economy. So I would do all three of those
things if it was up to me in Boston. And
you know it's interesting. Last week there was a meeting
nationally of all the health ministers, and of course Minister Howell,
who had lost her election her hope to be re elected.

(01:55:00):
I just wonder who represented us because one of the
top agenda items was a national license. So in addition
to trying to recruit agrestling in the States, there's no
good reason in this world why your license to be
a registered nurse or a doctor or whatever healthcare professional
should be not shouldn't be the same as if you're
qualified to work in Vancouver, he should be qualified to

(01:55:20):
work in Victoria, Newfoundland. So I don't know why we're
dragging our feet on this kind of stuff, but it's
a good point you make there there. If there's healthcare
pros looking for a new home, let's offer them one.

Speaker 6 (01:55:30):
Yeah, no, I agree with you. Patty, you're right, you're
right on right on the mark one. And not only that,
if they got on the ball and start doing this
like the United States now there coming in droves, which
is good time to capitalize within say the next couple
of years. But like you said, anywhere in the world
they cut the red tape and all that stuff. I mean,
I mean, wouldn't that be a lot cheaper if you

(01:55:51):
get them relocate and stay here and look at the
millions of dollars for paying it and travel nurses. So
like you said that use that Boston office for numerous things,
and and now that go all over the place.

Speaker 10 (01:56:03):
Even like what bcs don't just studying.

Speaker 6 (01:56:06):
What they're doing and look at the money we could
be saving. But we're still painted what millions of dollars
in travel nurses. So it's just don't make no sense
at all. And I'm hoping that the right people are listening.
Let's let's uh, let's get this right and start act
right away and for the better.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Why not. It looks like there's an opportunity there. If
it can work in one province, that can probably work
in all provinces. I would think Darrell appreciate the time
anything else this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:56:33):
No, No, like you said, I'll just summing up that
we we gotta we got to start being proactive and
and and be open minded to all this one. I
watch the Sun and National news there, so holy jumps
lender their step ahead. But what a time to capitalize,
especially on the on the Americans. Now is a good
time to capitalize and and maybe love Canada and I
was watching it. So let's act, be active and cut

(01:56:54):
the red tape and welcome all doctors from all countries
that got the credentials or even within Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
All appreciate the time, Daryl, thanks a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:57:02):
All right, thanks again, Patty, and all the best to
you and your listening audience and staff at the YOSI.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
Same to you. Bye bye, okay, have a great day
YouTube poll bye bye. Yeah. I mean that national license.

Speaker 7 (01:57:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
When we talk about some campaign pleasures made here, it's
great to hear that we're going to try to reduce
our alliance on travel nurses, of which we spent a
couple hundred million dollars, which is a lot of money.
Is exactly how's that going to work? It's a great
idea for every reason you can imagine. But how I
would ask, and also with some of the pledges made
and some of the follow up that the Russian Nurses

(01:57:35):
Union wants to do, or even things like the loco programs,
let's expand them beyond the Northern Peninsula and Labrador, which
is something the Nurses Union has been talking about for
such a long time. And the same conversation that's going
to persist is for anyone that's trained as a healthcare professional,
whatever they're trained to do and whatever their license could accommodate,

(01:57:56):
and that's reference to scope of practice, let's let them
do it. You know, the more we can allow people
to do what they're actually trained for and accredited to do,
it's probably better for the system. Like I've I sometimes
struggled to understand the rationale behind, you know, limiting the
scope of practice for one professional or another, and I

(01:58:16):
think many people are up on this particular topic too.
Is even for the nurse practitioner, let's move to a
full blown model. If he or she wants to open
up a clinic on main street wherever in this province,
hang out their own shingle, let's let them build MCP.
Because I don't think people really care what the setting
is where they get a chance to see a nurse practitioner.

(01:58:38):
Let's just do it. Because if we're talking about the
burden on the system and we're talking about way times
in emergency rooms, we're talking about the inability to see
a primary care provider, something as fundamental as that, you
think that would be pretty helpful to the system itself.
Your thoughts. Final break in the morning, when we come back,
we're speaking with you. Don't go away, welcome back to

(01:58:59):
the program. Well, someone asked me why I didn't go
ahead and speak about the federally regulated industries. Well, got sidetracked,
I suppose so people think that the federally regulated authority
that the government has. And this is in reference to
the fact that the Canada Labor Relations Board today shot
down the concerns brought forward by the Canada Canada Post

(01:59:21):
Union about the use of Section one oh seven to
send them back to work was unconstitutional and that was dismissed.
They've used them many times, and so again, just as
a little reminder, Section one oh seven was used to
send the rail workers back to work, the port workers
back to work. It was starting with the Air Canada
flight attendants, and now for Canada Post, and we've entered
into this rot heating strike and I don't know how

(01:59:43):
quickly the mail is moving or not, but that's where
we are. Fairly regulated industries are pretty broad. It covers
a lot of stuff, everything regarding aircraft operations from the airlines,
the airport's aero drums, banks, which it also includes every
authorized foreign bank falls in under the federally regulated Private

(02:00:03):
Sector Code, so that's interesting. Grain elevators, feed warehouses, all
First nation bank councils, Indigenous self governments are covered by
the federally regulator or the Canada Labor Code. Canada Post,
the ports, marine shipping and the ferries, pipelines, courier services
are also covered in the federally regulated radio television, all

(02:00:27):
the rail a road transportation which includes all the transport
trucks and all the bosses. Anything that crosses any provincial
boundary is covered under the Canada Labor Code and a
federally regulated industry telecommunications, which is of course everything from
telephone internet, and we can get into some of the telephone,
internet and cell service conversations here. Anything to do with

(02:00:49):
the atomic energy, anything to do with processing or pardon me,
mining for uranium, which of course is the possibility that
needs to be further explored here. And then what they
call to the vague references of anything business that's considered vital, essential,
or integral, and some of that stuff kind of gets

(02:01:09):
a little bit down into the weeds. But yeah, so
the federally regulated bit and the possibility for Section one
oh seven and things like federally regulated industries and sick days,
there's a lot of them, a ton of them. So
that's where that common comes from, because it's not just
about whether you're unionized working for the public sector. There's
a lot of private sector falls inside that kind of

(02:01:30):
the labor code, which is why I think the conversation
is a little bit bigger than simply government and organized
labor relations because it bleeds into the private sector as well.
I mean, look, no further banks, right, including foreign banks, telecom, radio, television.
So anyway, that's why it's a bit more broad than
people think about and talk about. And on that cell

(02:01:52):
phone business, look, I'm with you. The cell phone coverage
has really gotten demonstrably worse, and so I guess for
folks who are listening to this program, if you ever
have a landline available to call, infinitely better connection, way
better sound quality, and even people who might be using
their cell phone calling from in close proximity to a
tower or in the city. It's just really unfortunate how

(02:02:18):
bad it's become. Like I live in the east end
of town, and years ago there was no concerns. It
was very reliable, full barers all the time. Not the
case anymore. It's simply not I can drop a call
stand into my kitchen. And of course I know you
may be yelling at the radio saying, well, at least
you have some service, because there's parts of the problems
have none zero, and you know, you talk about whether

(02:02:40):
it's a public safety issue, which it absolutely is. You know,
you can make specific reference to the wildfire, and we
didn't talk about that this morning off the top of
maybe wheel again tomorrow morning, because there's still huge concerns
out there with the aftermath of particular the North Shore fire.
But what about people who didn't get some of the
necessary information in a timely fashion because why they had
body service, couldn't make a call, couldn't receive a call,

(02:03:03):
couldn't check the web. It's fine to be told, well,
you know you can check this particular website operated by
the provincial government to get up to date information. Yeah,
if you can get online. So yes, we can keep
talking about the cell phone business. And you know, even
during the campaign when leaders were asked about it, a
lot of it was pretty vague. Now there was some
specifics by mister wakem talked about three million dollars per

(02:03:26):
year to work with the telecom companies in an effort
to improve service. But it's the companies themselves. Look, I
get their business model is not conducive to expansion of
a lot of the infrastructure required, given the pretty low
customer base that they share. But I don't really care
about that. I'm paying you for a service. I don't

(02:03:46):
think it's outrageous to want that service to actually work.
You know, I really don't think that's a huge issue.
Another story that's developing here today and over the last
few days. I will bring it to the conversation a
little bit more expansive tomorrow morning is smart meters. Because
we talk a lot about energy and the cost to
heat their home and the pleasures to remove the provincial

(02:04:08):
portion of basic HST from home heating. But it's the
whole concept of measuring how much power we consume. Plenty
of stories, especially back in February when people were outwardly
and openly questioning their bill and we heard, you know
what is windier? Okay?

Speaker 4 (02:04:23):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:04:23):
So even the consumer advocate in this problem, Stannis Brown,
pushing the utilities on the concept of smart meters New
Flat Power, says it's way too costly. They'd have to
pass on the cost of their customers. Mister Brown has
painted a picture where that doesn't necessarily have to be
the case. But in New Brunswick the numbers of people
that are refusing the smart meters are growing by leaps

(02:04:44):
and bounds. I read the story very very quickly during
one of the news breaks. I'll dig into it a
little further as to the rationale. But a smart meter
from the outside looking in, and I don't know everything
about smart meters, of course I don't. But for me
to be able to measure when I might be able
to say, and that's if we had a moving target
about how much I pay for power at the peak

(02:05:04):
time of breakfast time and supper time, versus if I
want to flick the dishwasher around at nine o'clock or
ten o'clock, when I go to bed. You think it
would be beneficial to the customer. But you think also
in the world of peak load for the utilities is
for them to be able to have a better understanding
and offer options to the customers. You think that would

(02:05:25):
be helpful in trying to understand peak load and maybe
taking some of the burden off the peak opportunities would
of course in the wintertime be getting up and eating
up the house and making your breakfast and turned on
the dishwasher before you go to work or coming home
and cooking, and what time you're going to put on
your washing machine and your dryer. So the smart meter
conversation in New Brunswick is getting pretty testy. Apparently there's

(02:05:46):
even threats and talk about whether or not there's going
to be fines levied if and when people refuse to
accept the smart meter. So see if you can't figure
that one out a little bit clearer this afternoon and
bring it to the table tomorrow morning. I found checking
on the Twitter box. We're VOSM open line. You know
what to do. Follow us. Their email address is open
line at FIOCM dot com. One very quick one from

(02:06:08):
a listener from Labrador, this regarding the Upper Churchill and
the Molu before starting negotiations with the Quebec. I wonder
if the other options were considered. For instance, Valet was
this vast amount of diesel the power operators that voice
is bay just one hundred and sixty klombers from Churchill Falls.
There's a railway or iron ore from four minds converge
with more minds and various stages of development, an ideal

(02:06:28):
location for a steel smelter. I guess some of that
consideration was brought to the table, you know, when we
talk about the quadrupling of the Labrador recall block to
approximately twelve on our megawatts. But yes, when critics point out,
justifiably so is that that's over the course of decades,
that's not right away. And of course some of the
reasons there apparently is that the need for that power

(02:06:50):
isn't there today. But I would imagine we could gobbl
up most of that power before we waited thirty five
years to get to the eventual twelve on our megawats.
All right, con show today, big thanks, twelve hands will
indeed pick up this conversation again tomorrow morning right here
on VOCM and Big Land of FM's oupen Line. I'm
behalf of the producer David Williams. I'm your host Patty Daily.
Have yourself a safe, fun, happy day. We'll talk in
the morning. Bye bye

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