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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line Call seven oh nine two
seven three fifty two eleven or one triple eight five
ninety eight six two six of viewsing opinions of this
programmer not necessarily those of this station. The biggest conversation
in Newfoundland and Labrador starts now here's VOCM Open Line

(00:22):
host Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, all right and good.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Morning to you. Thank you very much for tuning into
the program. It's Tuesday, August the twelfth. This is Open Line.
I'm your host, Patty Daily, David Williams, he's the producer.
You'll be speaking with Dave when you give us a
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
So let's ease into it. Make it.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Two medals for New finlanda Labrador at the Canada Summer Games,
Thomas Pelley silver medal in the pool yesterday. Congratulations to Thomas.
And if you want to have a little chat about
the sports or the events that you're taken in as
a either participant or a parent, or simply a spectator.
There's lots of really serious stuff going on, but maybe
we can pepper some of the program with some of
these good news stories based on the accomplishments and the

(01:16):
efforts of the young athletes participating in the games. Planning
on getting over to the rugby pitch. We should be
into the playoff rounds in that particular sport. First time
ever for the women to be playing lacrosse, first time
ever for the women to be playing baseball at the game.
So lots of fun stuff. A couple other random notes.
It was on this date, August the twelfth, eighteen sixteen,

(01:36):
the very first versus johns Wegatta was held of Kitty
Biddy Lake. Now there had been rowing races in Saint
John's Harbor prior to it, but that's the record of
the first organized we'regatt of course, the oldest organized sporting
event in North America. And I remember this quite clearly
back in the day where we were a bunch of
all expos fans. It was on the twelfth of August
nineteen ninety four MLB goes on strike. It was probably

(01:58):
the best chance the Expos ever had to win it all.
At the time, there were six games ahead of the
Atlanta Braves in the National League East, and the strike
happened and there went their opportunity, all right. So wildfire around, um,
just people out there pretty frazzled, and it's stressful times
for folks who are immediately directly impacted.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
By these wildfires.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
And of course many of us would have friends and
family who are in communities who have been impacted, such
as Paradise with an evacuation alert yesterday, and one of
my sons lives out there, so hault him in and
out of that, and we can try to get a
breakdown from some of the Fire Julie officers here in
the province. But you know it's hot out, no question,
thirty degrees again today. You can only imagine how hot

(02:40):
it is in a full firefighting equipment and suit and
up against these fires. So bravo, be careful to everyone
who's trying their level best to protect community and protect infrastructure.
It's pretty damning stuff for many parts of the province.
We can get into whether it be the Patty's Pond fire,
Conception Bay north to the Martin Lake, the whole. Oh
we're in Labrador fires, we can get into evacuation alerts.

(03:03):
But on that front, I have received some people's concerns
regarding the alerts. Vaccuation alerts which gives you plenty of
time before there's an evacuation order. But it's the responsible
responsibility of a branch of the Department of Justice, Fire,
Emergency and Corporate Services, so it's all managed by the
Provincialency Emergency Operations Center at the Emergency Services Division. The

(03:25):
concern that I'm hearing is that some people are reporting
get an evacuation alert much later than some of their friends,
some of their neighbors. So I don't know why that
would be. You would think it would be pretty streamlined.
If there is an alert or an order, everybody who's
in that area would get the alert or the order
at the exact same time. But apparently that's not happening.
We'll try to figure out what might be the glitch

(03:47):
in that particular system, because as we know, the fires
can move very quickly, and information is key and king,
and we can talk about anything regarding the wildfire situation
as you see it. One area where I'm a little
bit confused. The Province has now announced some one time
financial assistance, emergency financial assistance for folks who have been evacuated.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I was pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
I heard a government official the other day say it
would be five hundred dollars per evacuee. But now we're
told it's five hundred dollars per household. So that's going
to float out. It's going to be distributed through the
Canadian Red Cross. There's eligibility issues, and you can see
all that information right there on the government's website.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
But I thought it was going to be.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Five hundred bucks per head, but it's five hundred bucks
per household. So a little bit of confusion on that front.
While we deal with the fires, don't want to get
too far ahead of ourselves or myself, I should say,
and talk about things like preparedness. You know, we really
do need to know exactly what the protocols are at

(04:48):
the provincial government for things like fire load and the
dead fall or the windfall in the forest, and whether
it be about predictable fire breaks that would be required.
I don't know exactly what we do, and I'm not
saying suggesting that we've done too little or have dropped
the ball, but it would be nice to know, just
to have some of that information available to us. What
do you think also in the world of finance, got

(05:10):
plenty of people really going hard at the government for
government overreach and the fireban. I think there's examples where
people can talk about government's actions and other provinces where
you can't even go for walk in the woods, even
though we know the vast majority of fires have been
started by human activity. Not necessarily arsenal the time, but
human activity. So right now is simply a fireban. And yes,

(05:31):
the fines are extraordinary, and compare those to some other
crimes that are on the books, and compare the punishment available.
Imagine up to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars and
a year in jail for starting a fire. So basically,
just don't start a fire, just don't be added and
everything that we can do with our own personal responsibility,
let's try to do exactly that. As we think about
the firefighters, as we think about the people who are displaced.

(05:52):
Thousands of people have been a victor or partonly evacuated
from their homes as a result. We know other provinces
are chipping in Ontario, Beck Manitoba, and more yet to come.
I think there's will have some equipment coming from New
Brunswick as well, so we thank them for trying to
help us get through this particular issue. There's also military assistance.

(06:12):
There was called yesterday talking about pay raises. A further
two members of the Canadian military. There has not been
a change to the paying benefit system since nineteen ninety eight.
So on the path to this five percent of GDP,
you know, we're going to be going from forty odd
billion dollars to sixty odd billion dollars or two percent
of GDP, and to hit the five percent targets going

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to be like at least one hundred and fifty billion
dollars per year. Of course, a lot of that has
to go to equipment and preparedness, but certainly some of
it needs to go to the men and women who
are members of the Canadian Armed Forces. So two billion
dollars per year just on this pay raise itself. So
let's get into some of the folks who will indeed
see this pay bump, and for the most part, I
would suggest rightfully so low strengths of the regular force, privates,

(06:56):
ordinary sailors, aviators, twenty percent boost reserves will get a
thirteen percent boost. Non commission members. Junior officers up to
the rank of naval commander or lieutenant colonel. Lieutenant colonel
receive a thirteen percent pay hike.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Officers of the.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Rank colonel and above receive an increase of eight percent.
There's also bonuses for recruits in stress trades to complete
their basic training. That's ten thousand dollars, another twenty thousand
dollars when training is completed, another twenty thousand dollars once
they've gone through their first term of service. Also additional
moneys for deployment. That call sparked a few emails and

(07:31):
they were kind of split down the middle as to
whether or not this was a good thing or a
bad thing. But when someone who is, for all intents
and purposes, willing to put their life on the line
for the country and the country's military through all the
branches hasn't seen an adjustment to payer benefits since nineteen
ninety eight, maybe, just maybe it is a good idea
considering the fact that the updated number is the military

(07:54):
across all branches is short at least thirteen thousand members,
so of course these will believe helpful incentives to ensure
we get a full compliment you want to talk about it,
we could do it also on that front. To spend
all of this money, these additional moneies, there's got to
be a careful focus on domestic procurement, not to say
we have to mimic the military industrial complex that is

(08:16):
the United States of America, but even things like a
go to tender for these night vision goggles and with
a very specific clause that eliminates every company in the world,
including those providing set equipment to NATO members, and it
leaves it to one hundred million dollar contract for an
American company. So we've got to probably figure that out
a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
What do you think, all right? And of course this
is important.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I would imagine too many people in Harbor Gras, including
Meyer Don kumbs So was on yesterday to tell us
that based on a tip blast Friday, the RCAP have
recovered the Amelia, the Amelia Earhart statue.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
For starters.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
I mean, it's three hundred kilograms and so who would
possibly think it's worthwhile to.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Steal that and a couple of the plaques and then
chop it up.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
So apparently it's been cut You know on seams that
can be can't see the statue put back together. But
a couple questions on the tip. So the tip I
suppose led to the location of the statue in the
Woodsowhreer in Trinity Bay. Does the tip also include some
possible suspects for who stole it? And I know, when
we're dealing with all these other massive matters that this

(09:25):
might not be a big concern to you, but it
was for folks in the area. And let's see if
we can catch whoever's at it.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
What do you think? All right?

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Today, the twelfth of August, starting at one pm in
the House of Assembly Chamber, the Public Accounts Committee is
holding public hearings on what they call the health sector
contracts travel Agency nurses. We know the stories, so doctor
Pat Parfrey, the chief executive officer, other senior officials will
be questioned by members of the committee justifiably so so

(09:54):
about the procuramor process, who signed off on some of
the contract controls that were obviously at planning methods and
other things that were broached in the report. And we
were talking about hundreds of millions of dollars over a
few years. So yes, obvious questions that need to be asked.
The same thing I thought when this was initially announced
is that it's one thing to get senior leadership from

(10:15):
across the healthcare sector to be able to answer these questions,
and we need answers. But when we talked about one
of the most scathing things in the report was the
possibility for fraud. Now we know that people didn't sign
on to conflicts of interest and were landlords renting into
travel agency nurses. Some of those folks may indeed be
responsible for letting go registered nurses working in the public

(10:37):
system to bring in travel agency nurses to then consequently
rent them their property. Massive problem. But in the examples
of fraud, it would be nice if folks who are
directly responsible for paying out these invoices without the required oversight,
it would be nice to hear from them as well.
We know the buck stops on the big desks, but

(10:57):
we also know that many of those folks in senior
leadership would not in a day to day operational standard
be signing off on these invoices. So, whether it be
rental cars that for people who are not even here,
whether it be for overtime that we don't even know
was worked. So there's a lot to answer for here
and thankfully this committee will hold these hearings today. The
chamber is open. There's also going to be a live

(11:18):
audio feed through the House of Assembly's website. You'll be
able to follow on social media. But there's a lot
let to be yet to be understood. We're told that
additional guard rails and safeguards have been implemented. That's good,
but we still have to know exactly who knew what
wins during that three year period identified by Denise Hanrahan
and her team also and I think people are right

(11:41):
when they say, you know, we get the AG report
and then there's some questions and then the government says
we accept the recommendations and then nothing. Let's bring back
on the front burner the Personal Care Home Report, which
was I think scathing is always the right adjective here,
but they were talking about verbal abuse, sexual abuse, our
death as a result of air.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Someone died.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
There was medication given to a resident of a personal
care home a multiple doses, but it was actually medicine
intended for another resident. Consequently that person died. There was
forty one examples of medication incidents in just a three
month period missing drugs, Anita left on an insulin pen,
which is of course supposed to be just a single use.

(12:22):
So there's a lot here the compliance issues, and I
think the Personal Care Home Association they would like to
see this hander in.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
A more public matter, not because I.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Say so, because they say so, because compliance sometimes feels
like real big issues, like the incorrect administration of medication,
but it can be a loose door and obra what
have you. So government, you accept the recommendations, but the
operational standards have not been updated since two thousand and seven.
Apparently there's a draft of an updated operational standard sitting

(12:52):
Summer Confederation building, so an update as to where exactly
are we here? Can we indeed see the modernization of
that document and then public disclosure on a continuous basis
for things like compliance. You know, why wouldn't that be
a good idea for everybody? It might be me, it
might be you, might be someone belonged to you that

(13:13):
would be a resident in a personal care home sometime
in the future or currently. Plenty of good homes, plenty
of good staff. But when we can identify those areas
of concern, and so the public knows what we're looking
at and knows which homes are following up in a
timely fashion on non compliance issues.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
I think it'll be helpful. What do you think, all right?
A couple of travel notes.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
So the Privacy Commissioner of Canada is going to take
a look at what happened with the West Jet cyber
attack that happened earlier this year. Apparently no credit card
or Democrat numbers have been compromised or passwords, but plenty
of information was so anything regarding your name, your date
of birth, your email address, your mailing address, your phone number,
your gender, recent travel booking history, travel booking numbers. Of course,

(13:58):
this can all lead to your identity being stolen, so
it's good for the Privacy Commissioner to have a look
at this.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
But in the world of.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Cybersecurity, some of us may be me sometimes a little
bit too laissez faire when lurking around every digital corner
is someone who's trying to steal my info. So we'll
see what the Privacy Commissioner comes up with here. But
these massive corporations, including all levels of government, need to
be much more stringent and much more diligent in protecting

(14:28):
my information. If you want to store it all digitally,
then you owe us every bit of protection that you can.
Now Westjed is going to offer twenty four months of
monitoring free of identity theft and the pretentional for your
backing information and what have you to be compromised. But
twenty four months not good enough. Those who stole it,
they can wait you out. So anyway, Also in travel,

(14:50):
apparently there's four major airports across the country. Today we'll
see a national day of action air Canon flight Attendants,
So they're going to be holding these demonstrations at Calgary National,
Vancouver International, Pearson in Toronto, and Montreal's Pierre Elliott Trudeau
International Airport. Apparently it's about some of the duties for
boarding and d planning where the tendant say they're not

(15:12):
getting paid appropriately. There is an offer that's been reported,
not confirmed by either side, of a thirty percent pay
increase over the course of the next three years.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
And here's some of the time.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
And now we're Canada saying there's no need to consider
canceling your flights yet, but here's some of the details
as to when they could indeed go on strike if
they can't reach agreement that that is the earliesta can
go on strike is Friday at twelve oh one Eastern
Standard time on August the sixteenth. The QP, of course,
the representative organization has to provide seventy two hour notice

(15:45):
of strike action and in a statement they say the
early set that could be issued is tomorrow, the thirteenth
of August. So obviously, whether it be for people trying
to get in and out of here after participating in
the Canada Summer Games, in and out of here, as
Taurus in and out of here, as just members of
the general public, there may indeed be some job action

(16:06):
at Air Canada, possibly if they can't reach an agreement,
which is not great. People want me to keep Marine
Atlantic out front. Happy to do it, you know. It
was kind of cute by half when the promise was
to cut fees by at least half, and they've done it,
but just for passenger.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Vehicles, not for commercial vehicles.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
You know, I still think it was a bit of
a stretch to think if the fees for commercial travel
were also cut in half, that that would see any
sort of reduced costs for any goods or services that
come across VA. Marine Atlantic but if that's something you
want to take on, we can do it. I think
the primary concern for people, whether it be commercial truck
drivers and or just regular passenger traffic, is how can

(16:50):
the people of this province be treated differently insofar as booking,
given the fact that it's our constitutional highway.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
It's a good question.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
I've had people offer a bunch of different suggets as
to what that could or should look like.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
I don't know how we balance the need for.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Not on the commercial traffic, but obviously for folks who
want to come here as out of province visitors to
spend their money here, which is a real economic shot
in the air. How do we prioritize or have some
sort of hierarchy for booking that accommodates people from this
province first. It's a fascinating conversation. I've heard lots of
really good ideas. But if you want to take it on,

(17:27):
we can do it. And oh boy, people can complain
about whatever they like. But it is remarkable to me
that in the world of just star hypocrisy, that people
are complaining and do as you see fit about some
restrictions and say, for instance, the Brunswick Nova Scotia regarding
the fires and not allowed in the woods, all that

(17:48):
kind of stuff. And at the exact same time, the
same people in emails to me and on social media
threads applauding the fact that the president has deployed the
military to the streets. DC Federal Court is still trying
to figure out the constitutionality of the president sending the
military into Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
But which one is it?

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Is it not more serious to see the military on
streets versus you can't go in to woods. Well, they
try to deal with a wildfire season anyway, There must
be something really bad in those Epstein documents. We are
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great show. We'll come back. That means you're in the

(18:30):
queue to talk about whatever's on your mind. Don't go away,
welcome back to the show. Let's begin this morning. On
the top of the board nine number one, the going
to the mayor CBS. That's Darren Bent. Oh, good morning,
Mayor Bent, you're on the air.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Good morning, Patty, thank you for reaching out and of
course we're all talking wildfires, I guess here in CBS
and Paradise this morning and other places, you know, And
of course our thoughts go to our friends in Conception
Bay North who are enduring some devastating times over the day,
with the past week or two, and you know, and

(19:03):
we're we're starting to deal with a little more on
this side now. Thankfully we were able to get residents
in the west end of our town and holy Rood
back into their homes over the last three or four days.
And now, of course we have a new threat just
out at Patty's Pond, which is not too far from

(19:23):
Paradise and Conception based out borders where you know, there's
probably close on fifteen thousand people who are now sitting
on an evacuation alert, and of course they're very concerned.
It's very worrisome, you know, to be told that in
a moment's notice, you have to leave all your worldly
possessions behind basically, and you know, find somewhere else to

(19:47):
be and and you know, and and then then you
wait and there's nothing else you can do. And that's
a that's an absolutely terrible situation to be in. But
here we are, so it's the best thing that we
can do is to follow all the instructions of the
authorities with the province that are monitoring this very closely.

(20:10):
And we have our own emergency operations center set up
here in Consumption Based South. I'm sure they do in
Paradise and elsewhere, and they are in direct contact with
the provincial Emergency Operations Center, Forestry and so forth, determining
every move that is prudent. So we put out updates ourselves,

(20:35):
I know the province does, and in between those updates
people shouldn't speculate as to what is happening. I can
tell you that everybody's talking about what should happen next
and what the proper things to do are. But anyway, Patty,
we have probably about ten thousand people in Construction based

(20:56):
South on an evacuation alert from yesterday. We know, and
I think you've probably had reports on already that the
fire has not in any significant way progressed towards Conception
Based South, but it is still out of control and
a very serious fire in the in the Patty's Pond,

(21:18):
the Thomas Pond area up there, and right now, you know.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Smoke is not.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Blowing into the CBS area. And I understand probably not
the Paradise area now, but they can tell you better.
But so we we don't have that happening, which would
indicate from what we understand is that that smoke is
is not threatening homes here in this area right now.

(21:52):
But you know, it's still it's a it's a big
concern because as as we know and as our friends
in CBN know, these things can change on a dime,
and you know, and then of course an alert changes
to an order, and then we're into a you know,
a completely different ballgame.

Speaker 6 (22:10):
Then.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, it's hard to you know, even sitting in this chair,
it's hard to know how to speak to these issues
without being so so called fearmonger because I have no
intention of being that person. But you know, if you
get an evacuation alert, I guess it's just prudent to
take it seriously enough that you do the required preparation,
you know, as simple as that.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
So, Pattie, Yeah, it's the second worst bit of news
you can get. Okay, So you know, really, you know,
pay attention to the alert, be ready, and you know,
pack those things that are absolutely essential, you know, and
things that are important to you.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Be ready.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
There's a couple of things, you know, Like I said this,
if the wing goes the other way, we're smoked out here,
then you need to have been ready. Part of the
being ready, you know is and I know that the
Red Cross I've done an excellent job of finding lodging
and stuff. But if you have, if you have friends

(23:12):
or family that you're thinking about, maybe I could stay
with them. Don't wait for the evacuation notice to call them,
call them now, like, make those arrangements, Make those arrangements now,
be ready for that. Here's the other thing, Patty, And
it's especially important for me to let the residents Conception
based South know and any other residents that may be

(23:32):
in this situation that if you've left your home and
you're outside the evacuation alert area and it changes from
an alert to an order, you cannot get back in.
And I know you, and we've seen it before where
people come to the line and they argue, for all
kinds of wonderful reasons they're not getting back into an

(23:54):
evacuated area. So if you've left and gone to work
this morning, and there's nobody at your home and you're thinking, well,
if the alert comes out, I can go home and
get my stuff. No, no, you're not getting back in.
And that's a that's that's the rules of the province.
And they will they will monitor that and and they

(24:15):
will they will have blocks up and so forth for
people to get out, not to get in. So you're
not going to be able to access an evacuated area.
And that's really really important for our residents to understand.
You know, I'm not at our emergency operations center this morning.
I'm in the alert area. I'm staying home until the

(24:37):
alert comes because I know I can't get back in
if I'm sat down at the operations center. So I'm
doing my communications from home for that very reason. And
I encourage anyone out there that, you know, if their
home is empty and they haven't done the stuff that
they need to do, they ought to do it just
in case. And look, this is this is precautionary. I

(24:58):
get it. But we don't know what's going to happen
with that fire, you know, and look look at what's
happening in CBN now. Communities that never thought that it
would get anywhere near them are now evacuated. And you know,
this is a this is mother nature, you know, at
our finest and we have no control over and as
we know, our technology doesn't allow us to put fires

(25:21):
out when they pop up immediately, and this could go
on for days. You know, we had people out of
their homes in CBS and I know in parts of
Holy Root as well, for five nights from the last fire.
And it wasn't it wasn't. I won't want to call
it not a huge fire, but it's certainly a concerning
fire because it's so close to homes. But you know,

(25:43):
so when people leave, you know, not just like, don't
be prepared for one night. You may be gone for
five nights. And I know Red Cross and Salvation Army
will be there to help people. And I encourage everyone
that if that were to happen, to make sure they register.
But you can't get back into an evacuated area. And
that's that's a big That's something I really want our

(26:05):
residents to be aware of.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Fair enough, last one, then quick one before I have
to get going. How long do people have to leave
if the evacuational LUK turns into an evacuation order?

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, so that's that's it's a it's a notice of
immediate So uh, you know whether there's gonna be a
timeframe on that, but they're going to want to see
people move as quickly as possible. But Patty, I got
to say one thing before I go. We really really
need people to stop going up to peacekeepers way up
on the Highway, up at the top of Fowler's Road,

(26:38):
up Minerals Road and all these places, trying to get pictures.
They're absolutely in the way. I think anybody that came
in the highway this morning realized it's bumper to bumper,
it's hard traveling. We don't need people up there on
the sides of the road taking pictures. There is a
real concern for emergency people they may need to get by.

(26:58):
It's a real concern for the safe of those who
are trying to do it. And we're just asking people
to just stay away from those areas. We're in the
evacuation alert situation here in CBS where we're not we're
not here for sight seeing.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Appreciate the time there, Ben, stay in touch, take care,
You're welcome YouTube, But bye, I start on.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Ben Mayor of CBS. All right, let's get to break.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
We'll go back next to the Cure to talk about
water bombers and then whatever you want to talk about
right after him.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Don't go away. Welcome back to the show. Let's go
to light number three. Morning, Nick, you're on the air, Atty.

Speaker 7 (27:35):
How are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Doing okay? Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 6 (27:38):
Not bad?

Speaker 8 (27:39):
Not bad, just wondering, you know, I'll find it for
the future and everything like that. Has the province put
any thought to increasing our water bomber fleet.

Speaker 7 (27:51):
I mean, we're looking at one of.

Speaker 8 (27:53):
The hottest summers and drives that we've had here on
the Avalon in living memory.

Speaker 7 (27:59):
And this is just you know, a sheep of things
to come.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Climate change, no question.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
So we had five water bombers in the fleet. That
fifth on one, of course, was damaged back in twenty eighteen.
The government hummed and had about replacing it or fixing
it or getting a new one, and now they've led
a seventeen million dollar contract to to Haveland to repair it.
It won't be back in service until the twenty six
twenty seven wildfire season. So that's that one. And in addition, say,

(28:28):
for instance, adding more to the fleet to make it
more than five. Even if you place an order today,
you can't get a water bomber from the Havelan the
CL four fifteen, which used to be Bombardi Id. Havelin
bought the rights to it. You can't even get one
until twenty thirty two or twenty thirty three. Manitoba put
down an eighty million dollars down payment on two water

(28:50):
bombers and they're not getting until then. So the best
we can hope for is to repair that fifth. Even
if we put it in order, we're going to be
years before it arrives.

Speaker 7 (29:00):
That's true, but that's no excuse not to put in
an order.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
I'm not saying it is. I'm just gone and given
some of the timelines that we've heard from the Havebland
the people, the countries that are in the queue first
at to Habland are European countries. Apparently this country and
various provinces they've kind of were a bit behind the
times and getting these orders in. So I believe Manitoa
was next in the queue for a Canadian province to
see water bomber built by the Haveland.

Speaker 7 (29:24):
Yeah. Well, let's say I just wanted to put it
out there. The more pressure we put on our politicians,
the more they're forced to act, you know, on sure
it's not just one company in the world building modern bombers.
Or if the demand is there, well then the increase production. Right.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
The Hablin says they are expanding capacity. But the most
recent timelines we have, as I said, twenty thirty two,
twenty thirty three, before the water bomber is ordered by
any province of this country can be delivered, So I
don't know how quickly they can exp capacity. I believe
their main plant is just outside of Calgary, if I'm
not mistaken. And you know, my question would also be

(30:07):
is as a Canadian company, and you know, we talk
about some of the rights that they bought from Bombardier.
There's been an awful lot of federal government money got
into the cofference of both the Hablant and Bombardier over
the years. So you wonder whether or not the priority
for new bombers to be built and delivered should be
for Canadian provinces.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I would start there, true.

Speaker 7 (30:26):
Yeah, all right, thanks for your time to Dave Petty.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
I appreciate yours. Nick, thanks a lot, all right, take
good care, buddy, bye bye bye. Yeah, it's it's an
excellent question, you know, really Hindsight twenty twenty all that stuff,
but repairing that fifth water bomber just really should have
been done anyway. I mean, we were told many many
times out well we don't need five, four, it's fine.

(30:50):
Well apparently at some point we needed five. How do
I know that? Because we had five? So something maybe
should change on that front.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (31:00):
So let's see here, let's move on to line numbers
seven and and sayco more to the co chair at
our an l that's doctor Sovia Shaik and Laura bell
Imba is a member who supports the Association for New Canadians.
They join us both online seven and eight. Good morning
to you both around the air morning Patty.

Speaker 9 (31:17):
And I don't work with ANTY, but I have worked
supporting them previously.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yes, very well, welcome to the program.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
So I don't know who wants to feel this conversation first,
but this was an invitation that was sent off to
you folks on the heels of a call that was
about this particular caller's worry about surey a law taking
over to be the governing rule of Canadians and the
thought of the Islam of phobia that was on display

(31:43):
during that call. So say, many, where would you like
to start.

Speaker 10 (31:47):
I guess it will be a shaikh okay, hi.

Speaker 11 (31:52):
Patty, thanks for having us and thanks for inviting us.

Speaker 10 (31:55):
Yeah, we were.

Speaker 11 (31:56):
We were really struck by the conversation and also some
of the great responses afterwards on that call. But I
want to start off by saying, I'm really really what's
on my mind right now is the fire here and
really thinking, you know, feeling feeling that a lot of
people are really you know, displaced, and feeling really sad
about that.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
But I were here.

Speaker 11 (32:19):
Basically, we were concerned about the call because there was
a lot of misinformation and a lot of stereotypes and
in untrue statistics. For example, I think the caller said
that there was ten thousand Muslim folks in the province,

(32:41):
and the last census set a thousand people. Even if
it has grown, it's definitely not grown ten times. There's
you know, the collar was really talking about something that's
been proven as wrong, the white replacement theory, this idea
that Muslims and South Asians and black people and Jewish

(33:06):
people and et cetera, et cetera, anybody who is seen
as not white or not Anglo Saxon are replacing replacing
white folks, and it's from the like the early nineteenth
twentieth century Europe that this is not a neotrope. It's

(33:27):
been debunked multiple times, and so we were really concerned
about that. And yeah, that's where I'll start.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
And I don't even know how to ask this particular question,
but the bulk of the concerns, certainly initially during that call,
was the whole concept of shari law. Even though we
know there are Muslim majority companies our countries in this
world that do not govern themselves by sharia law.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Turkey comes to mind.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
So how many I don't know if you have any
specific numbers here, but talk about the practice of sharia
law amongst the Muslim community once they leave Muslim majority countries,
whether that be anywhere in the world, because that was
kind of the crux of her concern.

Speaker 11 (34:08):
Well, I mean, I think I think you answered that
really well on the call. I think that sharia la
is a legal system that has has history in the
Muslim in Muslim like histories. It's something that's been developed.
It's not unlike the English common law that we are
are are are nation is you know, upholding and that

(34:33):
there's many types of law, legal systems, and not everybody,
and particularly in Canada, I think there I'm part of
many groups who are not interested in Muslim groups, so
that I'm not interested in sharia law. Sharia la is
a legal system. It's outdated, some people would argue. Some

(34:53):
people would argue that, you know, English common law is
also outdated, and we use a lot of our law,
a lot of that of those roots and we're finding
in North American legal systems. So the idea that sharia
la is coming here is really is really it's really
a non issue, I think. I think again it goes

(35:14):
back to this idea that the anxiety that we're going
to be replaced by newcomers, and it's built on just
you know, misunderstanding anything that is seen as different, anything
that's seen as Muslim, in particular in this case, it's
seen as threatening. And again you know there it's it's

(35:36):
it's a legal system that is has been used for
for centuries and again it's been it's evolving like all
law systems, all law, shari A law changes over time,
like just like our own legal system does.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Fair enough, the results, I'm just trying to recall some
of the different areas that were covered in so far
who socializes with who, which kind of felt a bit
strange to me because I live in a school neighborhood
and I see the kids interacting with each other regardless
of where they're from, country of origin, the faith that
they practiced. So that was another areas where she said,
you know, newcomers, especially Muslims, do not associate with other

(36:19):
non Muslim Canadians in this case, So can you speak
to social law that social aspect of her comments.

Speaker 9 (36:27):
If you don't mind, I can touch you that. So
that's completely on here and unfounded. And I can state
that as not just with the Newthland and Labrador, as
someone who's also happened to live in other provinces within Canada.
Growing up in Ontario, my neighbors were Muslim and we
were the close of the friends. We hang out together,
we would play soccer together. Even as far as here

(36:50):
through the work I do with anti racism education and
all of that, there are Muslim and non Muslim students
in my programming and they are working together, playing together.
They are friends for all intents and purposes.

Speaker 11 (37:04):
They are not There isn't the.

Speaker 9 (37:06):
Separatest idea where non Muslims aren't allowed or aren't seen
or welcomed into Muslim spaces with friends. So that's completely unfounded.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Muslim women being allowed to work and be out on
their own, not accompanied by a man. I'm just once again,
I'm just bouncing around trying to recall some of the
things I heard.

Speaker 11 (37:27):
No, I was, yeah, I think that was really funny,
actually because a lot of it wasn't funny, it was horrific.
But the idea that Muslim women are not you know,
political being in Islam, for example, the you know, we
are told as women, we are we are supposed to
be out in the world and be be part of business,

(37:50):
be part of it's one of the first religions that
allow that or that that that explicitly taught that, and
so it's it's kind of funny. I think a lot
of I think a lot of mixing non mixing is
you know. I think one of the studies, some of
the studies show that people people, not just Muslim folks,
but also other immigrants. One of the biggest reasons that

(38:13):
they're not there is not there are sometimes you know,
groups of people hanging out together. It's because of racism,
and actually that's that's one of the biggest reasons that
there's fear. And you know, ideas like the ones the
ones that are being promoted or being promoted in that call,
you know, are really really are you know, kind of

(38:35):
stand it just didn't make sense. It's not true. I mean,
you know, I'm Muslim, I'm out in the community. I'm
very out out in the world. Other folks are I
think you had a caller who is Muslim as well.
I mean, there's there's a lot of there's a lot
of Muslim women generally. You know, again there's some were
worry about violence and racist violence in some of the families,

(38:58):
some of the communities.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
About and then doctor shikill give you the final thoughts
before we have to say goodbye to Somona.

Speaker 9 (39:04):
Absolutely so speaking and just going to support where doctor
shake said in terms of Muslim women being allowed to
be out in community and doing things. Even if we
look at education, there are lots of Muslim women studying
in fields that would require them to be out in
the part of the community. So those statements were completely unfounded.
And they look at the business struct business sector here

(39:25):
there are tons of businesses that are predominantly led by
Muslim women. I know Monds Center for Entrepreneurship which supports
women in marginalized genders in terms of making sure that
they can enter the business GAPE. I happen to judge
one of their competitions and they were three businesses by
Muslim women, and the Muslim women were out there speaking

(39:46):
for themselves, talking about their business ideas and talking about
how far into production and service they had gotten into.
So this idea that Muslim women are not allowed to
be out in community and society and be independent individual
is completely untrue.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Doctor Sake. Final thoughts before we say goodbye.

Speaker 11 (40:05):
Yes, I really wanted to just congratulate you, and I
mean I think that having that call on was really
really eye opening and really, you know, I think you
modeled very well how to you know, how to question
some of these views assumptions out there that are just untrue.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I appreciate you both making time for the program. Thank
you very much.

Speaker 12 (40:29):
Thank you Natty, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Bye bye, Dave. Can you handle those lines?

Speaker 3 (40:33):
And this is this comment is not about that call
with that we just had or the call we had
last week, but I think it's human nature when we
don't and when I don't understand something, then it's kind
of natural to have negative thoughts about it. And I
think that's across the gamut when I say things like
information is power and information is king to have an

(40:56):
understanding what's going on with whether it be people from
different countries or people little different faith or different sexual orientation,
whatever that is. When we don't understand stuff, we tend
to get our backup and think negative things about it
before we take that first step to may maybe just
having a better or at least a base understanding of
what's going on where people are coming from. Let's take

(41:16):
a break. When we come back, we're talking e bikes,
the seal, fishery, whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
You want to talk about. Don't away look back. Let's
go to line number two. Good morning, Lloyd around.

Speaker 13 (41:23):
The air, Betty. Either want to take that much your yes?
I won't take how much of your time, Betty, because
there's a lot of stuff going on in our promise
to needs attention. But I want to talk with e
bikes briefly. Sure I don't notice. I'm the owner of
an e bike. Now I'm gonna have a bike for
two years. A couple of times this summer, Like motorists,

(41:45):
they don't really realize that when they see them comming,
they see a paddle bike, but they don't see the
speed that they're coming at. Right, and the motors after
on and make a left turn in front of me.
A couple of times. I was just wanting to make
motors and parents aware of the power off these bikes

(42:05):
and speed that they can go.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
You know, I see them in action, and you know,
even some of these electric scooters are wicked quick.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
They really are.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
You know, when I see people are operating those machines
not wearing a helmet for instance, kind of jumps off
the page.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I mean, like maybe you should have a helmet on.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
In addition to that, When we talk about the speed
that an e bike can travel, do you think, as
an EE bike owner that you know, we're all sharing
the roads, do you think that there should be some
sort of training or license or insurance associated with these
vehicles that can go pretty much as quick as a
lot of cars when we're talking about in residential areas, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (42:42):
There's should be some kind of a program making people
aware of what these bukes can do. Eh. And what
I'm saying is like you just mentioned these scooters for kids,
a lot of them. I've seen this summer around our time,
and most kids then I wear no helmets, no reflectivesh

(43:03):
nothing for safety, right, you know, when you're going thirty
calimbers now, Andrew, it comes off one of them, the
scooters or a bike, you can seriously get hurt.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Absolutely you can.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I mean, isn't it mandatory at least here the city
to wear a helmet if you're riding a pedal bike.

Speaker 13 (43:24):
I'm not sure if it's mandatory, But for me, I
wear my almet and my reflective fish faithfully, right, yep,
because I'm aware that the speeds that I'm going and
they can't stop on a dime and motors is off
pulling in front of you across the road and you
could get her bad.

Speaker 10 (43:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
And we've actually looked at some numbers about some of
these e bikes, e scooters and the type of injuries
that we're seeing. The one story that I found was
from Ontario, but you have to imagine it translates pretty
directly to here. I just had a quick look here.
It's a provincial law to wear a helmet if you're
riding a pedal bike, but apparently we're not applying that

(44:08):
to e bikes or e scooters, which is strange.

Speaker 13 (44:13):
Yeah, they're strange and and you should be wearing it.
You can't stress it enough, you know, for safety. I mean,
you each sure here when it comes off one of
these bikes, you're going to have damage, right, no question obviously, yes, yeah,
So I just want to make the people aware and
motors aware of that. My parents that you know, these

(44:33):
there are fast bikes and take a cost series injured.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
And you you know, we talked about things like loud
pipes saved lives, even though the physics doesn't really back
that up. You have a chance to hear a motorcycle coming,
but you have zero chance to hear a need bike coming.
So that's that whole just bewarer surroundings, you know, the
old shoulder checked before you turn, shoulder check before you
change lands. It's just probably a pretty good idea. Who
wants to be responsible for being at the scene of

(44:59):
an instant or a collision where your vehicle and an
e bike met and there's.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Only going to be one winner there, exactly. I'm glad
you did. Thanks for the calloid, Okay, buddy bye bye. Yeah. Look,
I have no problem to these scooters.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
They actually look like a bit of fun, I have
to say, And if you're just beating around or bombing
around the one prior of the city, whether it be
to and from workers, your buddies or whatever the case,
may be a pretty cost effective mode of transportation, I
would think. So they look pretty fun. And there's some
stats out there too about just how much more time
you spent on your bike if you have an e bike,

(45:38):
and of course it doesn't take all of the horsepower
required by your own legs and lungs to make the
e bike go, but it's pretty interesting. I think the
story that I saw was people spend somewhere in excess
of sixty percent more time on their bike when they
have an e bike, and there's lots of value can
come from that. I'm not gonna squeeze the call because
we're right up against news, but we're gonna check it

(45:59):
on the Twitter boxsim open line. You can follow us there,
of being that's why we're not talking about trade anymore,
interprovincial or international trade.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Happy to do exactly that. We're taking your emails.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
It's open on AFOM dot com well, we come back,
Pats and the keep appreciate your patience. Patty wants to
talk about the Seal fishery and Jackie wants to talk
about the Perry's Call wildfire. I think Perry's Call is
one of the communities that has in evacuation ordering place.
Those two then you don't.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Away, Welcome back to the show. Let's go to light
number three. Second, more to the maryor Paradise. That's Dan Bobbitt,
mayor Bobbit you around the air.

Speaker 14 (46:33):
Good morning, mister David.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
How are you doing doing okay? How about you? We're good?

Speaker 14 (46:37):
You know right now, I guess we are under emergency
preparedness notice and that was issued yesterday evening around seven
thirty pm. That's Monday, August eleventh. And the affected area
I want to get this out there. The affected area
is the south side of Topsail Road from the Older
Ring Road exit to CBS boundary. And the full list

(46:58):
is a street is available on our website at Paradise
dot Ca forward slash Emergency Alerts.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
I would imagine for the Paradise residents that would be
the best hub of information as opposed to the government website.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
What do you think.

Speaker 14 (47:12):
Well, you know, government is an official website as well.
You want to you want to monitor those look updates there.
We're in constant I guess communication. Our staff is, we've
you know, town staff activated our emergency response plan, and
town officials are you know, working with obviously the provincial
government and following their guidance and lead as well. So

(47:35):
so you know, the two you know, are intertwined. Our
EOC and their EOC is you know obviously in constant communications.
So another way too that we do have is for
our resident notification system. You can sign up so then
you can get the notifications come directly to your personal devices.

(47:56):
So if you go onto our website, there's a section
there to sign up for a residant notification system and
this would be you know, the emergencies like this, this
is crucial.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
So what do we see? What's the status this morning,
you know, in so far as how far the fire
has moved and the air quality and those types of things.

Speaker 14 (48:15):
Yeah, the air quality stuff. We're just on your line there.
Then I just heard some updates from Environment and whatever
else in the province obviously is given the current updates
right now is pretty much where we were to last
night when we issued the emergency preparedness notice, and we're
just telling residents to be prepared. It's crucial to be

(48:36):
prepared to move if you get notifications.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah, I mean again I said the same thing to
Mayor Bent is neither you nor Mara Bent or myself.
I can't speak for anybody else, but you know, we're
just trying to share the information. I do get some
pushback from emails, in particular saying can we stop talking
about all the fear. I'm not saying anyone should be fearful.
What we need to be is aware. I mean, the

(49:00):
fire doesn't care about anybody's personal level of fear or anxiety.
The fact of the matter is these alerts are out
there for a reason and just some health and information
about things that you should consider to prepare for a
goll bag if and when that alert becomes in order,
that's all.

Speaker 14 (49:14):
Absolutely, it's be prepared. I mean, it's crucial to be prepared,
right so things like if you get an evacuation notices.
Not right now, we're just under emergency preparedness notice, but
if one was to come, you need to be prepared.
And that's what we're telling all the residents in the
affected area and again while repeat it one more time.
The affected area is the south side of Topsi Road

(49:36):
from the Outer Ring Road exit to the CBS boundary,
and that's all our websites, all the streets are there
as well. And you know, we could understand that there's
you know, a certain unsettledness and anxiety associated with this,
but you know, we have the emergency Response Plan and
that's in place and enacted, and you know town staff

(49:57):
have been monitoring that or and part of that the
EOC all night and the monitoring situation, and they're in
constant contact with the provincial government's EOC as well. So
and you know, we have seventeen hundred and forty os
in the affected area, but forty five hundred residents.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
What services does the municipality offer when and if people
are living under an alert or eventually in order?

Speaker 14 (50:22):
Well, the services I guess, you know, part of the
emergency response plan is and we all work together, the
province and our response team and any volunteers the Red Cross.
It's a it's a team effort. So win a notice
comes or when an evacuation notice may come, and you'll
get you know, it depends on the severity of it,

(50:43):
and you'll get notification at that time what you need
to do, you need to contact, and what to have,
So like, just be prepared. Have those those things you
know in your kit bag, whether medications and and you
know valuables if you want to take them with you
or documents. Just have all that prepared at a moment's notice.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
And just a little tidbit of advice that was also
offered by Mayor Bent is, even if you're living in
a community that's currently just under evacuation alert versus order,
you still have to realize that if you're going to
work today, or you're going to watch some of the
Canada Summer Games, or whatever the case may be, if
the alert becomes in order, you can't get back in.
So if you're going to work today and you're live
in an alert area, just bring your go bag with

(51:25):
you to work, leaving in your vehicle because you can't
go back in. So people sometimes probably don't consider that
when they leave because our lives go on. People got
to go to work, people got to do whatever else
is on their agenda or schedule for the day. But
if you live in an alert area, bring your stuff
whenever you leave.

Speaker 14 (51:41):
Yeah, that depends on the severity at the time, So
that's the thing. So yeah, you could do that and
you can give you know, extra preparedness and have it
with you. But I mean, you know, depends on the
severity of the alert when it's win in an if
it's issue right right now, it's just you know, a
emergency preparedness notice. And so you know, we want to
make people aware, like you said, it where and you know,

(52:04):
obviously we understand a lot of pastby anxiety and unseattleness
about this. But you know, we're prepared. We've got our
emergency response plan in place, and like I said, we're
in constant communication with the provincial government. Uh and any
alerts people will be updated. But it's key that resident
notification system we have that will come directly to your

(52:24):
personal device if you sign up. Any resident of Paradise
sign up for it. Not only this type of emergency,
but any emergencies that may be you know, in future whatever,
you'll get direct notifications see your personal devices.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Preciate the time here, Bob.

Speaker 10 (52:38):
Thank you, You're welcome to take.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Care you too, provides Stan Bobbitt, Paradise. Let's keep going
line numberfore you're on the air.

Speaker 12 (52:46):
Yes, money, how are you?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I'm very well, thanks for asking.

Speaker 15 (52:50):
How about you listen? They come in here and this
goloes to seal free. Now that are coming in, they're
going to close to op, They're going to close to Macro,
and it's time for the union to jump on board.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
So why are they closing the lobster in the macerel?
I mean no, sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 15 (53:12):
There's too many lobsters around and people are catching too
many lobsters. Lobsters are numers never known before.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
I know people are doing very well in the lobster fishery.
And we know mackerel has been now back to a
bait fishery only as opposed to once commercial fishery, even
though we handle it so much differently than the Americans
and it's a straddle stock. So the macrolbone confuses.

Speaker 15 (53:36):
Me, that's right. And when the partners comes in and
closes down to Macrol, they close down the fishery, they
close down everything, and the partners will do it to you.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
So what road does a foreign fishing fleet have on this?
Because DFO has shut down the commercial Macro fishery. DFO
controls the seal harvest numbers and.

Speaker 15 (54:00):
To controls our fish Street. He controls everything. It gives
us the days to go out. Now during the year,
these sixty days or whatever to get turn of the feat,
we will go out one time and giga fief if
we wanted for the prime band, it's three hundred and
sixty five days a year. But now you've got a

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time limit when you can go, when you can come,
and guys is fifty hours a dank and where they
get them. They're making the money.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Not all I understand, uh, the recreational food, fishery dates
and that's this year, Sam's last year. Saturday, Sunday, Monday,
thirty nine days, a summer season and a very short
fall season. Anything else you want to say?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
This morning past.

Speaker 15 (54:45):
Beef streets got all to do with because they're running us.
When the more time come on, what we're going to
do this, We're going to do that. Then then when
they got a hold bite, they jump the board. They said, listen,
we're going to tell you when to go home.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Wind the ca yep, that's about the size of it. Great,
appreciate the time, pat thanks a lot, thank you, You're welcome,
Bye bye, And in so far as the recreational food fishery. Look,
I think it's completely legitimate to ask why we're not
treated the same as other land Canadian promises. And yes,
the stock status in different areas is different in this problems,
we understand that to be true. But at the exact

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same time when they more than doubled the commercial total
level catch, but not one I ought to have changed
for me and you who'd like to go out on
boat and get a few card if you're able to,
and the weather's conducive on a Saturday, Sunday or Monday.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
So yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
People ask justifiable questions there. Let's take a break, Jackie.
You're in the queue talk about Perry's cope and the
wildfire is right after this stunk away. Welcome back to
the show. Let's go to line number six. Good morning, Jackie,
you're on the air.

Speaker 16 (55:48):
Good morning on the first time collar and I was
reluctant to do so, but I feel compelled because of
the situation of the fire.

Speaker 17 (55:58):
On the North Shore, Okay.

Speaker 16 (56:01):
And while I was waiting to come on line, your
news update was on and it was all about Patty's
fan situation. There was absolutely no mention of what was
happening in Conception Bay North, which is an insult to
the people in our area. And I know you can't
cover everything, but we have been at this now for
ten days and enough isn't enough.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
I can't speak for how or who covers what's in
the newsroom. I really don't know, but I know the
Kingston fire that we're talking about is the biggest one.
I mean, it's somewhere Thanahbor to fifty two hundred hectares.

Speaker 16 (56:34):
Yes, and there were local firefighters. They are all volunteers.

Speaker 10 (56:39):
Excuse me.

Speaker 16 (56:40):
There's a day pen for them and that's you know.
And they've had support come from everywhere, and now that
support is being pulled to go to Patty's mind, it's
not only ground crews but air support as well. The
not knowing, the lack of information is killing us.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
What type of information is specifically? Are you look before, Jackie,
because I'll try to get it for you.

Speaker 16 (57:03):
Well, any information would be good. That we don't even
know when the when the water bombers are coming back.
We don't know when all of this support I supposed
be coming from our national friends is supposed to arrive.
What is being done? We're hearing and through social media
that many of our communities are decimated. We don't know.

(57:25):
That has not been confirmed. And again there's no reflection
on our founder firefighters. God only knows that they are
working around the clock, away from their jobs, away from
their homes, trying to save our structures, trying to save
our homes. There is a public meeting today at Presalvig
at eleven for North Shore residents that's from Perry's Cold Town.

(57:47):
Not sure how fair it includes or why communities are included,
but everyone should show up. I tried to send a
politician a message and can't accept messages at this time.
And then our premier and the update said, you know
what's going on exception May North is unfortunate. No, it

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is not unfortunate. It is devastating.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
I do think I heard one of the fire duty
managers talk about the fact that they're having a hard
time estimating the damage to infrastructure or home is lost
in that particular fire, just because of the smoke. So
I'll continue to try to get you some information. So
we do know that there was two water bomber schedule
to come from Quebec and there's a maintenance issue. But
we're expecting them this week. That we're talking about two

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from Ontario. They are going to remain in Ontario to
fight wildfires there. So are any of the helicopters of
which they were five and two Coastguard helicopters, fifty ground
crew members fighting the Kingston fire.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
So are you telling me all the resources have left
the area.

Speaker 16 (58:48):
No, I am not saying that because I don't know that,
and I don't want to say anything that is inaccurate.
I do know that on site last night there were
two helicopters.

Speaker 10 (58:58):
That's job I know.

Speaker 16 (58:59):
I wouldn't know anything about ground crews, you know, specifically,
But like, this is day eight of evacuation for me personally,
it's day nine for my son and his family. And
we don't even know what's standing. And I'm sure everybody
in the north Shore look for us SE communities rather

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did have an alert, so they may have had several
days to prepare. We didn't, And you know, people are
fed up, they're frustrated, and they just want answers.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
We'll try to get some answers, whether it be to
Holy Road or Martin Lake, Labrador. The Kingston fire and
how it's impacted ocrape Cove and Perry's cob will try
to get as much information as soon as we possibly can,
whether that be resources, whether or not the fire is moving,
all those types of details that we can get answers to,
We'll try to do it this morning.

Speaker 16 (59:50):
I very much appreciate it. I'm not trying to speak
for anybody else, but I know I'm not alone in
looking for answers and looking for help, because right now
we just need help to.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Save what can be saved, no doubt about her.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I completely understand where you're coming from, Jackie, myself and
Dave will try to get the appropriate guest on to
give us an update as as soon as possible.

Speaker 9 (01:00:10):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:00:10):
I really appreciate the story.

Speaker 16 (01:00:12):
Takes so much of your time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
There's not a problem at all.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
I wish you and the folks out in Perry's cobn
surroundings areas the very best outcome.

Speaker 16 (01:00:18):
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Take care, Jackie. Thanks welcome, by bye.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
All right, So, someone working at Fire and Mercy Services
who has this program on as they go about their day,
if we can't, you know, can we get some updated
specifics on particularly the Kingston fire knowing just how big
it is. They're all important, they're all impacting some communities,
whether it be Martin's Lake or Patty's Pond, or up
and Labor Drawer or wherever and the Kingston fire. Let's

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see if we can get some updated details for the
folks who were obviously and justifiably worried.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Dave, where am I going here? I haven't paid much
attention to the board.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Okay, let's keep going and go to Shane Skinner on
one morning Shame around the Air morning.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Patty, how are you okay? How about you doing great?

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
Thanks?

Speaker 12 (01:01:06):
Patty?

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
I just wanted to call in to let some of
the listeners across the province know about an exciting fundraiser
happening at the Canada Games over the next couple of weeks.
So I am with the Impact YYT Foundation, a nonprofit
here and the province focused on supporting youth health and
wellness initiatives, and we've teamed up with the twenty twenty

(01:01:29):
five Canada Games and with Sport NL to offer a
online fifty to fifty fundraiser across the province to make
sure that it's inclusive, even to those who may not
be able to make it into the Canada Games. So
the fifty to fifty patty it's currently running. We've got
one thousand dollars early bird prizes. We've got four separate
one thousand dollars cash draws that we're doing as early

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birds over the next ten days. The first early bird
is going to be drawn actually tonight at nine thirty pm,
So if people want to enter into that, they need
to get their tickets in the next ten hours or so.
But yeah, I just wanted to call in and let
people know that there's an exciting fundraiser going on that's
going to support the youth across the province and help
access and access health and wellness programs while decreasing a

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lot of the financial barriers that come along with sport especially.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Are there any specific areas airmark for whatever revenue is
raised during this fifty.

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
To fifty So all the net revenue or net profit
is going to be donated to Sport n L patty
and it's basically going to be used towards the Canada
Games Legacy Fund, So that'll be allocated appropriately by Sport
NL once they have a final figure on the total
fund to the total Canada Games legacy fund.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Because there's a lot of issues concerning access. You know,
we cannot find ourselves in a place where only the
folks with the financial resources getting an equal shot at playing.
I mean, it's long been a barrier. And how many
young people today who probably have the skill and the
talent the drive, just didn't have the money to participate
in the Canada Games drown Consequently they're spectators not participants.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
It's so true, Betty.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
It's you know, it's the equipment, it's the registration costs,
it's the travel cost on the island in Labrador, out
of province. The financial barrier is real, especially the last
number of years as disposable income has become a little
bit tighter for some families across the province. So, you know,
also an impact, Yyt, We're proud to be supporting this

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type of fundraiser and delivering this type of fundraiser along
with the Canada Games and Sport l and you know,
hopefully we can make this not just a big success,
but a huge success for all the young athletes across
Newfoundland and Labrador.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Are volunteer selling these tickets at the various venues or
is it all online.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
It's all online Patty there. You know, as I'm sure
people know, there's a lot of different activities on the
go at each of the sport venues. So it is
all being done online. And if people are interested in purchasing,
they can visit fifty fifty dot Live so that's five
zero five zero dot l I vee and they'll see

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the fifty to fifty there, it's called the game on
fifty to fifty. They can go in purchase their tickets.
There's a number of different ticket packages that people can
choose from. The only thing that I would caution people
up is that you must be physically present in New
Finland Elaborator when you purchase your ticket and also to
claim your prize Patty. So I know there are some
folks who are visiting for the Canada Games, just important

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that they know that they must be in the province
to purchase a ticket and then to claim the prize.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
If they are the lucky winner.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Fair enough, good luck with it. I'd be curious to
see what a dot ar amount would be. I would
imagine this has been part of the Canada Games and
various cities cities in the past. We have any idea
what kind of money's they've been able to raise through
these types of efforts.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
Yeah, I truthfully, Patty, from what I understand, I don't
believe that there has been any official fifty to fifty
that's been conducted with the Canada Games over the last
number of you or the last number of Canada Games.
We actually ran a bit of a trial run last
month in July and we ended up raising. The total
amount raised was just over twenty six thousand dollars, So
there was a lucky winner who walked away with over

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thirteen thousand dollars last.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Week when we drew on Friday.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
So we're hoping over the next fourteen days, I guess
you know, twelve days now, we're hoping that we can
certainly pass that. And we set the goal of one
hundred thousand dollars, so we're trying to east towards that
and any and all support is appreciated. And like I mentioned,
we've got four one thousand dollars early bird cash draws
and then we've got the big fifty to fifty grand
prize draws.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Well, appreciate the time, good luck with.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
It, Jane, thank you, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Having the day, it's very same to you. Bye bye.
All right. I'm not sure what's next, but we'll find
out right after this. Just a couple of quick comments.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
So I'm being told in some corners that you know,
resources are being diverted because of it's more important to
protect big commuters like Paradise, CBS, Saint John's Mount Pearl
than it is other parts of the province. It's hard
to imagine that's actually a thing. And let's hope this
doesn't become on us versus them, because it's already bad enough,

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so let's see if we can't avoid that at all costs.
And yes, people are being asked to try to get
their information from verifiable, accurate sources, so whether it be
the towns in themselves, or the provincial government or Fire
and Mercy Service or an Apartment of Justice or whatever
the case may be. Because I do see a lot
of stuff out there that very quickly you can figure
out that it is absolutely patently incorrect. So that also

(01:06:33):
we're going to try to get someone out to break
down an evacuation or order for us, so far as
what happens if and when it's moves from alert to order.
And we know that for the most part you can't
get back into your community to get whatever you want.
So someone made an interesting point in regarding pets. So
you're gone to work and the puppies at home or
the cats at home, or the budget bird or whatever
it is, and you can't get back into retrieve it.

(01:06:55):
I guess that's where we all have to have that
sense of neighborhood and being prepared in so fires. Like,
it's a good point that I hadn't really thought of it.
So for instance, if I'm at work and I'm living
in Paradise and I'm working in Saint John's, it's probably
a very good idea for a neighbor to have a
key so that he or she can do whatever you
need if you can't get back into the community. So

(01:07:16):
just some of those things, we're going to try to
get some more information for people.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
A SAP. Let's go to line three, Cherry around the air, Good.

Speaker 18 (01:07:26):
Morning, Patty, morning Patty. What I'm calling hibout it but
it is not directly related to the existing fires, but
something to do with helping to prevent future fires. Okay,
and then so before I get onto that, I like
all the news Flanders. Now we're all praying for those

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people on the baby Ver Peninsula, and also for the
people that live within reach of the Patty's Pond fire
and the other fires are not near Condy the center.
It's not you anyway, I looked to one on the
bays Bear Highway. I'm not saying this is not important
now sell serious fire. But anyway, last night out of

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Beaverite Peninsula, and it's happened in other areas around the
province too, in the last three or four days. There
was a fire lit intentionally on the side of the
highway on the beaver Highway by some lunatic or a lunatics,
and a driver by discovered it after dark last night

(01:08:32):
and he extinguished it somehow. I hadn't spoke to the
individual yet how he did it, where he stopped to
date with a seat or if he had a fire
extem shoreboard. He may have because he's a guy, got
a driveway ceiling business, a ceiling business. But the brown
brought to point, brought to mind familiar point for the
general public. We normal tender dry. This entire province is

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now and we know that it only takes one spark
to create very very serious fire. And we know we
got some lunatics around. Thank god, they're a very small minority.
But it only takes a small minority to destroy a province.

Speaker 14 (01:09:11):
And if the.

Speaker 18 (01:09:12):
General public would just take whenever to go on the highway,
a couple of five gallon buckets would cover as on
them film full of water. Put them in the back
of their issuv. If they're in a pickup truck, put
them in the don't if you're in car, you need
to put them on the floor between the front seat
and the back seat. A couple of an all tree
and half four or five gallon buckets full of water,

(01:09:33):
a fire extinguisher things spare one from their kitchen in
their home. And if they should happen upon one of
these lunatic fires like this guy they'd last day on
the favorite highway, they could prevent a catastrophe. You know,
And it's a very simple thing to do. A couple
of five gun buckles of water. It might sound stupid
with anybody listening, what are you going to do with

(01:09:54):
two five gun buckets of water? Well, if you comes
upon a campfire that would just lead intentionally I get
on buckets of water to put it out. Well, it's
hard to put it out when it becomes two and
three eight hundred or five hundred hectars.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Well, once it gets to even guy fox night size,
you're no one's going to be able to put it
out with their own buckets of water or whatever the
case may be. But look, we heard a story here
in the city Saint John's just yesterday is that this
person was, you know, a football feel away from someone.
They're walking on the sidewalk. The person in front had
a smoke threw it on the easement, which of course
has grasped between the sidewalk and the curb and the road,

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and by the time that person got too it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
It was on fire.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
So I suppose even just the water bottle could probably
you know, stop that particular blaze.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
But I'd also say.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
That people should be extremely mindful of risking life and
limb as well. So I understand where you're coming from,
and if you can get to something that can actually
be doused by a five gallon bucket, it's certainly better
than that becoming a fifty two hundred hector of fire.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Fair enough, Yes, I.

Speaker 18 (01:10:58):
Mean this fire that this I came across last night.
I was talking to them this morning, but I didn't
mention that he's driveway. See one person coming down in
my driveway and let's see. But I mean it was
just a little fire like you you'd lay it out
in your backyard rolls winers or marshmallow sign so a
five gum bucket of water can put that out quite easily.
You try to stomp it out with your boots and

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we'll catch a boot on fire or burn your foot.
And it's a very simple thing for the general public
to do. While I'm going to Grand Falls now for
a doctor's appointment, or I'm leaving fortune on the favorite
and the beer and peninsul and I got a doctor's
pointment at Oil Sciences Saint John's Fellop. A couple of
five gun buckets of water and or a fire extinguisher
out of your kitchen or somewhere. It could save a

(01:11:40):
forest fire. Because these lunatics are out there, we're not
going to get.

Speaker 12 (01:11:44):
Rid of them.

Speaker 18 (01:11:45):
Is useless, as you know what on a nun for
the government to find those people, some of them you
can find. Put pins at a billion dollars if you
want to. They're just gonna laugh at It're not gonna
pay it anyway. And if you put them in jail.
They say, well, perfect, Now I got free merry bread
shicken for a month. Put me in jail. Also, the
taxpayer can't pay for the mary bread chick, So I said, joke.
The justice system cannot deal with this problem. The public

(01:12:08):
gotta deal with it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
It, you know, for people who are still and I've
gotten emails saying the grummach can kiss my. You know
what if I feel like having a fire, are gonna
have a fire? I mean, it's just the level of
stupidity that I just can't understand. Look, it's not a
whole lot to ask for someone to simply not let
a fire. I mean, I get some of the inconveniences
and some of the restrictions in other parts of the country,

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but here it's basically just people being asked to don't
start a fire because of the obvious risk.

Speaker 18 (01:12:39):
Yes, and then to show how stupid they are, and
I'll brain de it they are. They'll get on and
say this is just government trying to get control. My Jesus.
By a fellow in Nova Scotia I so shripped to
a few years ago, said to me Satian. He said,
you know, some people are become hidiots after they're born.

(01:13:02):
But some people are born as idiots, and this is
what we got in one percent of our Newfouland population
are half of one percent, but they're there and you
ain't going to get them to change their hidiotic behavior.
So as a precaution, if the general public who are
not idiots, thank god, do that simple thing. Because that

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guy came up on that fire last day on the
Davored Highway. He saved the major fire in the Bavorite Peninsula.
The Baver Peninsula is heavily forced. It on the Baver
Peninsula is boom dry, just like the baby Vert peninsulas.
And the hall of the Heighland of the Duke plant
is maybe most the laborator too. And there's the fire
lid over on the Hampton Road the other day in

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a pit. You've probably heard about that one. They discovered
them in Cornerbrook, you know, you mentioned to me now
in Saint John's. It's province wide. There's a few idiots
going around for whatever sick reason and lighting these fires
time and we whope nobody's going to discover time is
going to become a major forest fire.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
You know, Terry, I appreciate the time. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 18 (01:14:09):
Thank you, Patty for your time, my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Bye.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
And you know, just quick comment on forest management for instance.
So look, there is no such thing as a manageable
forest management plan for three hundred and seventy million hectares
of Canadian forests. But when we talk about specifics in
so far as wherever, and I guess just based on

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population and industry, if we have to have some sort
of plan, I'm not suggesting that every square inch of
the boreal force in this province can be dealt with
in a pragmatic fashion every single summer or every single spring.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
No, I don't think that at all. But a forest
management plan is still pretty key.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
So whether that be federal guidance inside federal national parks
and the like, and that's one thing. But all I'm
really asking is, and again I'll just reiterate, you cannot
have a manageable force management plan for three hundred and
seventy million hectors of boreal force in Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
It just doesn't even make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
But biting off a piece year over year to try
to ensure that the risks been mitigated as best possible,
you can never eliminate risk on this front. But it's
the opportunity or the possibility of mitigating the risk by
logical force management plans.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
That's all I don't I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Not going to say that every piece of the forest
can be absolutely fireproof, because that's not a thing. All right, sir,
Let's see if we can take a break down time
when we come back. We're talking about the Brigess Sea
Cadets then with people who are indeed frazles, and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
There's lots of it out there, and I understand why.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
We're going to talk to some of the supports offered
by Life Wise and Warmline, the executive directors. Brad Glynn,
he's in the queue, and then we're speaking with you.
Don't go away, welcome back to the program. Let's go
to line number two. Good morning Gerald, you are on
the air.

Speaker 10 (01:16:00):
Good morning Matt. How are yours born?

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
How about you?

Speaker 10 (01:16:03):
Not bads? They're not bad at all. My name was Jeroma, sir,
and came home and bring to the brigage area. There's
my second time call and the last time in college
called us thirty five years ago. I guess when when
I guess when the PC govern was in power at
the time, decided to close all the schools out, move
all the students to Bay Roberts. Well, I guess the
federal governor decided to move all the secret at cores

(01:16:25):
out of Loop Alan to start closing the notes. I've
put forty five years in the secret moving exc'll be
as an officer. But no, all of a sudden, I
guess I got them notes is twenty three, so I know,
all of a sudden, now the caset numbers are down.
The own stood, there's not so many people involved in
the cleft program. Now now they decide that two forty

(01:16:46):
nine more sue position for fifty years. It's not gonna
be no longer a secret at corps. After this year,
they're going to age to venoitate the core and Malcolm
in them with the ARMI session in Bay Roberts.

Speaker 11 (01:16:57):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:16:58):
We had a they had a meeting sometime and they
came out and told the officers and then then the
the sponsored legions and brigus that the courts is gonna
be gonna be Uh. I guess they're gonna Malcolm with
the army ships and then the next four years. As
forcess left. After four years, the court is gone. And
I looked at the person in Jared, and I said,

(01:17:19):
the problem is you guys, you guys have got program
chopped that much since I started in nineteen seventy five
and success then a seventy as an officer. There's no
more there's no more interest. It's not the program got
taken out of the program for these young people that
go in the summertime. It's not there no more. And
all they all they want to do and O was

(01:17:40):
save dollars and chop. So here we are in Brigus
now another ute organization that's uh gonna be closed doors
in the next little bit. You know, excuse me if
it was not very impressed. I uh, we try to
get some answer from the big guys up in Ottawa
and Saint Johnson. Seems like because there the Catsman basin

(01:18:01):
for the cadet program where the schools are roll in
Bay Roberts, we don't we haven't got enough young people
in Briga's involved, dude, to keep the corpse going. And
I know that people in Brigas and around heres are
a lot of young people went to this program where
they went for doctors or liars. I don't know this,
but looks like Fia Morsey's on the chapter the Lot.
And here we are now the September thirteenth, we've got

(01:18:23):
the FBA Morsey coming back to to her native home
and looks like we won't even have a secret at corps.
We call Ifia Morsey to board that vessel and view it.
So I think it's a disgrace and I think the
time for the federal government people in the I see
a premium Prime Minister Attorney was out in BC last
week on HMCS quadrat looking at the cecrets out there

(01:18:45):
was a Marylands team. I think he should come to
Newplant and see what these people in Saint John's are
doing with closing apologies ceecing net course and not only secrets,
an army canet course I've heard of one now. There
was a cadet corps down in Saint Alders at twenty
nine cadets and one officer, and they went down last
year and said, no, you haven't got enough staff. We're
plowing it down. So here we are all roaring roof.

(01:19:08):
Land's gonna be hit again and we gotta get all
these young people go in the big areas to survive.
And I think it was a disgraced sir.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Just for my understanding, Joe, what exactly is being done
that leads to these cadet corps being disbanded? Is there
something specific?

Speaker 12 (01:19:24):
Not?

Speaker 10 (01:19:24):
They're saying, sir, the enrollment is down. We all know
the enrollments down the ryverhere, but you know we have
had a full fledge offset five offices here doing their
best at try to recoup the young people in. But
there their hand are tied like like, for instance, when
I was a corps, we want to do an activity
by the college Saint John's and say, device, we just
got an activity coming up for next week. Can we

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get approval?

Speaker 6 (01:19:46):
One?

Speaker 10 (01:19:47):
Not a problem standing the paper kid, And now they've
got at least a month of sixty with day's to
get approval a f for a CDET quarter. Do any activity?
They went in the woods last year through I get
you showed where a nice trail with a They take
him in the woods for the day and do some
hiking net And when they came back, I said to
the CEO, you're going to show them how to build

(01:20:07):
a lean to and a fire in the woods. It
was it was in winter time, and I said, that's
something that's these young people probably never did before. And
bill a fire boiler kill. She was I was told
about the CEO or not allowed to do it. I said, what,
you're not allowed to do it? So what are you
gonna feed him? We're gonna bring him back to the
LEAs and feed them Mary brown chicken.

Speaker 19 (01:20:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
So again I was never been a member of the cadets,
so I'm coming from a position of ignorance. You need
permission from someone to take a cadet corps in the
woods and teach them how to build a lean.

Speaker 10 (01:20:41):
To the department. Nassy Fence got people involved, run a
cadet program. Not a clue what the program is all about.
And the chop chop chop. I'll give an instance. Now,
years ago they had a cooking course, medical medical course,
uh osconse uh submara course. Yeah, band there and I

(01:21:04):
only got seamanship. They had raised and and that. But
here we were they're wondering what they can't get no
young people to join the armed forces. There, that's the
reason why do these young people look. A lot of
people said years ago, well, you're gonna join the concept promm,
you're gonna join the forces. No, No, that's not what
it's meant to be, but there's no enticement these young
people join this program. No more, there's nine the air

(01:21:25):
for them. We'll want to go to the Tuesday night
and all the just do classroom work, a little bit
of this and that. But yes, sir, to getting permission.
The guys up for guys said, oh, there's big, big,
there's a big responsibility. We want all the details and
all this and all that. It takes thirty days and
sixty days to get approval to do anything. It's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
It sounds bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
I would just consider, like, for instance, if you were
going to join the Boy Scouts. The association has a
bunch of activities that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
They do, whether it be to earn a badge or
whatever it is. You don't have to go to the
national body to say can we go and learn how
to build a lean to. There's all a bunch of
things that they.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Do and they just do them. I'm surprised. It's not
the thing with the Cadet course.

Speaker 10 (01:22:07):
Well it was, sir, it was. But the rat to chop, chop,
chop the figures they're going to chop so much as
a program, but they got these people on the helmets
don't know what they're doing. They don't listen to Like
I got forty I could forty five years in the
Canet program. I've been in England, I've been the BC.
My brother looked the same way. He's still in the program.
He's someone going to give up because he's thinking of it.

(01:22:28):
The stuff they're doing, they're they're destroying the program. Like
in Newfotland it was thirty seven secret at course thirty
three they ain't thirty three the announce sir. I can
remember back when we had Operation big Foot a few
years ago, back on the Bureb Potentia, there was thirty
one secret at course with Newfoundland went down to the
bu organ potential for the whole weekend, did all different activities.

(01:22:50):
And now if you had morses going down on the
chopping block, thirty two beat went two years ago. They
came out they said we're moving. You were the ear
because that's the caraviteer. Before that year was out, they
said you're finished. And so as like you know, here's
rural land, Takabo getting destroyed. Here's the federal government they're

(01:23:10):
cutting out all these programs for these young people and
make the course go turn them down, which is disgusting.
This is the second core were after rules and bring us.
We have a Navally Corps that was a little younger
ones from nine to eleven. We couldn't get enough staff
in that because no want to get involved, because the
regulations chase Mattowa under the Navy League side of it,

(01:23:32):
and they got out. And now the secret that throut
the chopping black and like I said, I put forty
five years in the program.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
It all sounds so unnecessary. I mean, the various levels
of bureaucracy to do fundamental things like why do people
think some youngster are partably some youth? What joined things
like the ciccredets is to have a few adventures.

Speaker 10 (01:23:54):
Right sure, yeah, that's right, as good as good. When
I was in, like I said, twenty twenty three, igh
out sixty four, I've had to get out. I enjoyed them,
it was disappointed. I had to get out and h
to see what's going on with the program now it's
totally disgusting, Like the secret that they prayed of our
legion Rice. I mean, when we have a prayed, they're

(01:24:15):
going to go to hell to get a permission to
go on praise with us, which is crap. I never
heard the like we have a Battle of Lantic this
year passed. We had a battle landing prayer we have
in we have in the in the Spander's day mostly
is a secret pray, is a navy praise. We had
a corps from Brigus there. We had quarter the cast

(01:24:38):
they only had ninet to this. We had the core
from Great Eastern over over in the Frisney Bays there
and the army sists. But here we are. The outlet
down the road in Harbor, Base number thirty two in
Canada closed up. They said he couldn't get the staff
and all that, but they never these guys in and sound,
sitting down under ours, getting paid three hundred and sixty

(01:24:59):
five days a year, are not getting out the course
and help them. They'll give you all a voice that
they don't even know what it's going to work or not.
But they're not getting their hands with, sir. And now
we're coming to Brigis and they're doing the same thing.
And like I said, I've totally disgusted these people go
around with the big ranks on their shoulder gone right
their head shirt and I'm very disappointed. But no one's

(01:25:20):
saying nothing about it than Brigis. They came out. I
said that he came out, the guy in charge of
the Saint John I don't say no names, and he
had a meeting with them. He said, I'll talk to
the town, to the mayor. It took him a full
month to get to the mayor and tell the mayor
that he was closing f Morsey, and then it took
him on three weeks after to have a meeting with
appearance and never even call a spotsor and tell the

(01:25:40):
sponsor that he was having a meeting with appearance. So
you talk about discussing the stuff under the table, sir,
this is what's going on in the accept program. It's
only in Brigus. There's other places too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Yeah, absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
I'm a little bit confused with the levels of bureaucracy
that is a cadet brigade would have to go through
to simply do the most fundamental activities in the outdoors.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
I didn't even know that was a thing, to be
honest with you. Gerald.

Speaker 10 (01:26:07):
Well, the regulations that they're at to put in place
there is so barrockly. Like you said, take thirty days
to getty When I know some of the other guys.
We have an act, an activity come up. I know
you make it a schedule. We all make schedules though, well,
an activity come up. Then all of a sudden, what
are you gonna do? Say no, I can't go. So

(01:26:28):
the guys were in the festival. As long as you
got the paperwork, it's approved by those. We can go
now thirty days. Come on, boys, let's get in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
Or maybe we just give approvals that would last for eternity.
Can we go into woods and learn how to buility
to The answer is yes, and you can do it
again next summer in the year.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
After that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
That's right, sir, that's right, Gerald. I got to get
to the news break, but I appreciate your time this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:26:49):
All right. I think all the more people bring us
will listen for it and say, look, it's play Russ
to start rattling the.

Speaker 18 (01:26:56):
Ball here.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Fair enough, and they're welcome to call the progress. Good
talking to you, Gerald, stay in touch.

Speaker 6 (01:27:02):
We have a good day.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Thy two pell bye bye. All right, it's gonna break
for the news. Brad.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
You're next to talk about the life wise warm line
services for folks who maybe just need a little bit
of destressing during some of these times. And then we're
going to speak with Pauldin, who's the member for Tops
of Paradise. Grace has a question about fighting fires. We'll
hear from those three and then you after this.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to lie number
four taking more to the executive director at Life Wise
Warm Line. That's Brad Glenn. Good morning, Brad, you're on
the air.

Speaker 20 (01:27:48):
Hi, Tatty, thanks for having me today.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Happy to have you on the show.

Speaker 12 (01:27:51):
Yeah, I'm just calling in Patty.

Speaker 20 (01:27:53):
Obviously, as we deal with fires through out the province,
episode of the physical Health Strain and the worry people
I have obviously the government put a lots of information
about mental health supports available to folks, and they put
out our Warmline number, on our first responder warm Line number.
But I just wanted to call in and just give
those numbers out to your audience and just let people
know that our service is there for the people who available.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
We hear from Government of Fishes all the time about
utilizing life Wise and Warmline, but I bet some people
don't know exactly what kind of support and services you
offered walk us through some absolutely.

Speaker 20 (01:28:25):
So, Patty. We're an entirely lived experienced organization, so we've
got to go sixty staff from here to Happy Values
to stay off through at the province, and having lived
experience means we have our own experience with mental health issues,
mental illness, addiction, substance use issues, and the peer support
that's offered on the warmline or on first responder warmline
is a non clinical mental health support. So what you

(01:28:46):
can expect if you call the warm line is to
have someone really actively listen to you talk about what
you're going through, your immediate fears, worries, stresses, frustrations, lots
of things we've heard on your show over the past
few days. And then that person's going to be able
to use their own story and their own experience to
support you in figuring out solutions for yourself, to support

(01:29:06):
you in reframing things in a way that's helpful, to
support you in choosing what resources both formal and informal
you might use to better your situation, to lower your anxiety,
to seek out tangible help, whether that's with housing, food, insecurity,
and issues like the current fires, where to go and
seek support. So it's really an asset for people that's

(01:29:28):
meant to be a low level support, but it's meant
to be very solution focussed, very much about the now,
and the most important part is again you're speaking of
folks who get it, who've been there and understand that.
We take about eleven hundred eleven hundred and fifty calls
on our warm line a month. If you call an
eight one one, you can also get redirected to us
through eight one one, and lots of times in eight
one one operator will suggest that to someone if they

(01:29:48):
feel that's the type of support they need, and our
first responders Warmline is a more dedicated service, so it's
individuals with lived experience, but there are also people who've
worked in first responder fields, so that if you're someone
who's working one of these fires right now, if you're
a paramedic who's been impacted by or even if you're
just someone who's anticipating it, you can call and you're

(01:30:09):
going to speak to someone who both understand your mental
health concerns but also the professional pressures are feeling, what
it's like when you bring that home, what it's like
at the end of a shift, what it's like the
anxiety going in. So that's just kind of a quick
explanation of both of those services.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Pat who am I speaking with when I call the
warm line?

Speaker 20 (01:30:25):
You again, we've got about ten to fifteen staff who
operates the warm line. There new Finlanders and Labradorians stationed
all across the province. Fire staff are able to work
from anywhere, so we've got staff and the Avalon Peninsula.
We've got staff in CBM, We've got staff in the Center,
We've got staff station in the West or in part
of the province. We've got staff station in the lab

(01:30:46):
Grand Full Health Region as well, so you could get anyone.
We've got staff as young as twenty two and twenty three.
We've got staff we're in their sixties, so you're really
going to be a cross section of the population. Most
of those folks also have a very diverse professional and
personal experience. You're going to get someone who you know
is a true nuph and liner and laboratory and who
really gets what you're going through?

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
So would these be people who are social workers or
therapists or counselors just get an understanding about who I
might be speaking with.

Speaker 10 (01:31:14):
Absolutely, so they're peer support workers.

Speaker 20 (01:31:16):
So we have the peer support training and the folks
go through and it takes about eighteen months to become
a certified peer supporter with life Wise. And what that
training does is it trains them in active listening and
strong questioning and recover oriented principles in person centered care.
Some of our staff have experienced as social workers or
have been social workers. We've got staff who've worked in

(01:31:36):
communications fields. We've got staff who worked in other healthcare professions.
We've got staff who worked as security guarders. We've got
staff from a huge range of fields. But what makes
them common to us is both their lived experience they
brought into the role and the very intensive peer support
training they do once they work with LifeWise.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
You know, people talk about things like continuity of care.
Is that something that can be accomplished by calling life
wise wormline or it's just whoever answers is whoever answers.

Speaker 20 (01:32:03):
No, Absolutely, you can get a continuity of care in
that you may not get the same person every time.
But the nice thing about peer support is you don't
need that because you're going to be dealing wifed in
the moment. But the realize that Lifelise Office for Continuity
of Care is we've got our warm Line, we've got
our first Resfinder's Warmline, but we've also got staff at
doorways locations through the province. We've got staff working into
the new Mental Health and Addiction Center. We've got staff

(01:32:25):
and hopefullly dependency treatment teams, harm reduction teams. We've got
staff in a variety of settings, and we're also very
connected with the other mental health and addiction supports in NLHS.
So if you call our warm line and I can
guarantee you if you feel confusion or you feel like
you don't know where to turn to receive support in NLHS,
our warm Line is a great one stop shot to

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get answers to that and they get directed to real
people who'll be able to help you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Now, we know that people are need of seen face
to face with social workers and therapists and counselors and
psychologists and psychiatrists, but this is a complementary service and
a hub of information. So we try to remind folks
when we hear the stories of you can't get help
when you want help, there is help out there. Might
not be the ultimate or like sitting across from a psychiatrist,
but when we have some of these info hubs and

(01:33:13):
a complementary service, it still is important.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
So don't talk.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Yourself into not thinking that there's any help or any
support out there, because there is some and it's the
first step. If the first step is calling life Wise
and Wormline, then it's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
A good one.

Speaker 10 (01:33:26):
Absolutely.

Speaker 20 (01:33:27):
What I say, Patty before I give you the numbers
and let's you take your next call, is we very
much for your peer support as a complementary service. I've
got my own spite of healthcare professionals support me and
my wellness, and sometimes I just like to speak to
someone who's been there and gets it, and that's what
peer support really offers. I absolutely need my clinical support.
So I've had the same psychologists for over a decade
and I don't know what I do without her, And

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sometimes I want to speak to someone who knows what
it feels like to be in that foxhoul, who knows
what it feels like to wake up in the middle
of the night feeling certain things. Who knows what it
feels like when you're feeling canatonic, and that's really what
we do. So I'll pass on the numbers, Patty, sure
so our warm Our Warm Line is seven oh nine
seven five three two five six oh. That's operational three

(01:34:09):
hundred sixty five days a year from twelve pm to
twelve am Island time, eleven thirty to eleven thirty Labrador
and no sorry, ten am to twelve am and nine
to thirty to eleven thirty And our first respinders Warm
Line is seven oh nine two three seven four one
eight zero. That one is three hundred sixty five days
a year, twelve pm to twelve am and eleven thirty

(01:34:31):
am to eleven thirty pm Labrador time. Patty, So, I
appreciate you taking my cane and let us to get
our information out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Happy to do, keep up the good work, stay in touch, Brad.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
Thanks Betty.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
You welcome by Bias.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Brad Glinn, Executive director at Life Wise Warm Line. All right,
just a couple of questions coming my way about traffic concerns, congestion,
whether or not the different roots are open, it is
relatively helpful to go to five one one dot CA.
You can put into the search tab up in the
upper left corner says search map. You can put in
your design route. You should be able to get an

(01:35:01):
update there.

Speaker 10 (01:35:02):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
It won't give you an update insofar as if it's
you know, bumper to bumper the type of congestion people
are experiencing. So if you've got some information based on
your own recent travels, people ask about Briggis Junction to
Saint John's Shay Heights, the Waitless Bay or whether it
be the Fox Trot Access road, will Us Bay Line.
If you've got some experience that you can share so
that people know what they're getting themselves into or maybe

(01:35:23):
to avoid a certain route, we're happy to share it
here on the program.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Let's get a break in. When we come back to
the PC member for Tops of Paradise, it's pauled In.
He's next. Then you don't go away, Welcome back to
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
As per an emailer wants me to give a shout
out make people aware of the fact that at the
Canada Games tonight soccer on the boys side do Felanna
Labrador versus Gobec it's at King George the fifth. That's
seven point thirty. Let's keep going. Let's go to line
number five and Sago going to the PC member for
Tops of Paradise. That's pauled in. Paul, you're on the air.
Not doing very well with that phone line. Put Paul

(01:35:52):
on hold. Let's go to line number three. Brian, you're
on the air.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Hi, Brian Grant today. Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 6 (01:36:02):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (01:36:02):
Not too bad, Patty. I think we're into a big
crisis in regards of the phone system, cell phone system
and our emergency alert system.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Okay, what's going on?

Speaker 19 (01:36:14):
Well, the phone system sucks like everything else that they're
getting away with. Our government is not saying that it's
a it's a a stay of emergency in our system.
This is our lifeline, our phone system and our alert
system over this since the fire started, I've missed several

(01:36:36):
alert systems.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Before we get into the alerts. Can you tell me
what you mean by the phone system, like to call
the government or what?

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
What do you mean?

Speaker 19 (01:36:46):
I'm talking about cell phone system when you can't make
a a cell phone call?

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
Okay, I just wanted to not sure what we're talking about.

Speaker 19 (01:36:54):
Yeah, And I mean you know, we're paying for it,
but we're not getting service, and the government is just
you know, mitting it here and there. I for and
fine concerned. It's a state, it's emergency that we should
have it. It's crisis.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
I mean, I live in the city of Saint John's
and there's places where I used to have full service,
full reliable service, and now no longer. So is the
blame to be placed on the government or is the
blame on the telecom companies who simply don't care?

Speaker 17 (01:37:27):
Well, the.

Speaker 19 (01:37:29):
Provider don't simply don't care, and our government is not
putting their foot to the floor and holding them responsible.
They're collecting the money the same Nimo moe. They're collecting
money from about the nine more more on your cell
phones and people are not getting the service.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
Last year there was a pile of project down the
bird Show Highway to enhance Wi Fi hotspots, which would
include cell phone covered there. Supposedly we're doing ten different
areas again this summer. I can't find the information as
to where they are. But I don't think there's any
argent coming for me anyway about we need to have
better cell phone service. Of course we do, and it's
not just about necessarily on paying a bill and not

(01:38:15):
getting reliable service. It absolutely can become a public safety issue,
absolutely right.

Speaker 19 (01:38:21):
You know, and I mean you know it's our provincial
government and our federal government. There was not one mentioned
when the federal elections there a while back about phone service.
Not one politician brought it up. And the same thing
with our provincial elections now, not one, ten was eight

(01:38:47):
brought it up.

Speaker 7 (01:38:48):
Not one.

Speaker 19 (01:38:51):
I mean, it's it's it's a it's a crisis, and
it's time for the people to start jumping down with
there's there's too many people really line. What we got
today cell phone towers. Everywhere you go their cell phone towers.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
And it's interesting you hear from people that they can
be sitting on the couch in the living room, look
out their front window and see transmission tower. They used
to have one hundred percent coverage. Now it's spotty because
I think some of that is, you know, the numbers
of people that are used in the same towers, the
five G versus three G, and the sos, which used
to be much more reliable and cover much more geographical footprint.

(01:39:31):
So there's a bunch of things that have led us
to where we are, but it's totally and wholly unreliable
in the vast majority of the province.

Speaker 19 (01:39:39):
I mean I heard I heard on Facebook and the
Mayor of holy Rood, mister Googe and Darren Bentt we're
back talking back and forth with the providers and nothing
in it. You know, they talk, i'll talk and no action.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
Yeah, I mean for all intents and purposes, some of
these big telecom companies are bigger operations than the provincial
government or talk about monies.

Speaker 19 (01:40:09):
Bigger than the provincial government straight and biggert in the
federal government.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
I guess I know what you mean.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
Now, there has been a decision from the CRTC that
should hopefully make things a little bit better. It was
about sharing infrastructure because that's long been one of the
problems here is that, you know, unless the companies individually
talk about adding capacity and adding towers, then you're just
going to behold into whatever service you have. The CRTC
has said that they have to be able to share infrastructure,

(01:40:37):
especially with the smaller telecom companies trying to get into
the market that try to make it more competitive in
this country because our bills are out of control as well.
So Ottawa did not amend it at all. So at
least that's one step in the right direction. That's not
going to solve my issue or your issue today, but
it can be helpful.

Speaker 17 (01:40:52):
Yes, I agree.

Speaker 19 (01:40:53):
And another thing, I'm norm only bringing this up as
being sarcastic. Maybe we should start go fund me for
the cell phone providers and the people that puts out
this emergency alert system because apparently they don't want to
spend their money.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 19 (01:41:13):
There are a bunch of hypocrites, that's what they air.
All talk and no action. Do something about it. We
are the ones are putting the money up front. Do
something and let us hear the election is not called yet,
let us hear the politicians fight about it and start
complaining about it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Yeah, for all intents and purposes, campaign time is on.
We know we have to have an election on or
before the fourteenth of October, so you know, really they're campaigning.
And that's all understandable. Brian, I appreciate the time and
the concern. Thanks for doing it. Thank you, Connie, the
same to you, Bye bye yea. Let's keep you on here.
It's going to Lenning for sake. Once to the PC
member for Tops of Paradise.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
That's Paul Den. Good morning, Paul, you're on the air.

Speaker 6 (01:41:56):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
How am I sounding best kind, clear line perfect?

Speaker 10 (01:42:01):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:42:02):
I was in the Q waiting, and I guess you
had a lot of calls on the fires, and I'll
try not to be repetitive on that, but I guess,
first of all, I just want to shout out to
all our firefighters, their first responders, armed forces, all the
groups that have been involved in keeping us safe and

(01:42:24):
and trying to fight off these fires for us, you know,
to do that and in the hot weather we have
and in the gear they're got on, it's it's just
amazing what they're doing. And they're really true heroes for us.
So I don't want that to be lost in this.
And we need to help out in any way by
not not getting in their way and you know, staying

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stopping the rubberneckers and stopping in the roads and looking
at the fires, and that we need to do all
we can to help them. So so I shout out
to them, and I thank them so much for what
they're doing. But I did want to call in talk
about the current fire. I'd say eighty percent of my
district is in the evacuation prepared the zone right now,

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and you know, people are calling and people are emailing
looking for information and wanting to know what's happening. And
I've been trying to put what I can up on
my site, and I know the Town of Cbs, Town
of Paradise have been doing the same and the provincial government,
and I think it's the onus is on us all
to try and put the right information out there so

(01:43:34):
that people can have the information they need and hopefully
calm their anxiety, because I'm sure there's many people out
there who have a spike in their anxiety when you're
told you're in the evacuation zone or potential evacuation. And
I know in the past we've dealt with being prepared

(01:43:55):
before when we get you know, weather events or hurricanes,
or you know, just preparing for house fire by having
a fire extinguisher extinguisher available. So this is no different
other than it's probably a bit more trying, but we
need to be prepared and there's lots of information out

(01:44:15):
there on that and making sure you've got all your documents,
all your medications. You basically get packing a carry on
bag to go and taking all your important papers. So
people need to be prepared for that. And if there's
people that need help, you need to reach out to them.
I look at I listened to call earlier this morning

(01:44:36):
speaking about the Kingston fire and the north Shore and
talking about resources being pulled off. That that's an important
point and we need to be fire aware because every
additional fire that starts, it's our resources are diluted. And
I know we've got the armed forces coming in, we

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have our neighboring provinces who are provided by and like,
but we still have limited resources. So we have to
be very very much fire aware ensuring that we don't
have any more that breakout. People are doing what they can,
our resources are doing what they can, and we need
to do what we can to ensure that they have

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everything they need and we're not in their way. And
with that, uh, you know, the mental health was initial
and I was glad to hear Brad from Life LifeWise
call in. People need that information to call. I have
two other numbers here that I thought might be useful.
Versus bussing here in the district. Versus are a great community,

(01:45:43):
a company company and they have offered a transportation for
anyone who needs wheel share accessible in vehicles and bussing
for anyone who needs to get out if, if, and
when the time comes, so I'll provide their numbers. So's
scene number is seven o nine eight three four five

(01:46:05):
five one zero, So anyone who needs help that way,
we don't fair accessible in that day, they will help
move you. The other thing, and it was talked about
earlier about pets. I know posts as well. Rescue and
l have offered two house pets that have to be
taken out nowhere to go and Rescue NL has a

(01:46:26):
number seven oh nine eight five three three six four seven.
So if you have pets and you don't know where
you can take them, they're offering to do that for you.
So there's those numbers there and as well. Uh now
I'm right smack in the middle of the evacuation zone,
prepared to the zone. I have two daughters in the

(01:46:48):
zone as well with housing the zone. My office is
in the zone, so I have I'm totally affected by
this as well. I'm working from home today because you
know you may not get back to your to your
house if and when the evacuation is called. So people
need to be aware of that. But I'm available. We

(01:47:09):
will still take calls if you need help. It's seven
to nine six six seven zero, or you can email
me at Pauldin dot gov, dot NL dot ca A.
So I just want to put that out there. We're
all on the same page here, we're all trying to help,
we're all trying to ensure calm before the storm. And

(01:47:32):
you know, I'm here looking out my window. If I look,
you know it's a beautiful day here in Paradise and
off in the distance you can see the smoke and
is still going towards Galway, so Outlands. But there was
a slight increase in it overnight from the sources I've seen,
and hopefully that doesn't continue to grow. And right now

(01:47:54):
it's not looking too bad from my perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
Fingers crossed for a bit of rain and cooperative conditions.
And once again, bravo to everyone who's fighting the fires
and helping the evacuees.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
And all those types of supports. We really appreciate it.
Paull them off the news, appreciate the time.

Speaker 6 (01:48:09):
No thank you, and I'll just tell everyone, look, be safe,
the fire aware and reach out to those who may
need help, because one of your callers talked about the
alert system and that's one message I'm getting that some
people receive the alert and some didn't, so an extra
phone call to someone in the area may help them.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
Absolutely. Thank you, Paul, as you too, Heyobies. Paul Den PC,
member tops of power Less. That's going to break for
the news. Let make it back plenty show left for you,
don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
Welcome back, Let's go line number five. Glenn, you're on
the air.

Speaker 17 (01:48:58):
Good morning, Patty, very very trying in difficult times. My
heart goes out to the evacuees and and and and
especially to those who have lost their homes and lost
probably everything that they own. You know, it's it's it's
it's it's really heartbreaking. But but Patty, what I'm what
I'm concerned about is is lack of communications. And I

(01:49:20):
don't mean a total lack of communications, but like, for example,
we're hearing from the premier.

Speaker 10 (01:49:27):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (01:49:27):
You know, we're hearing from two cabinet ministers, and there's
another gentleman sitting there on the right. I haven't even
heard his name, but you know, I'm wondering, uh. And
certainly there must be an incident commander, uh, you know,
in charge of those fires, and that's the that's the
person that we need to hear from. I'm I'm talking

(01:49:50):
to a lot of people in the area and you
know obvious Vay Roberts this morning and had doctor's pointman
and I stopped at Tim Horton's on the way back
and I talked to some evacue's there and they don't
know what's going on. Like you know, if there's an
instant commander, he or she should be should be in
those briefings or have a briefing of their own or something,

(01:50:12):
because people need to know. And you know, communications is
key in any situation. It doesn't matter if it's a
major situation or if it's you know, I mean, you know,
you have to let people know. People need to know
if our ally, if our resources are being allocated, you know,
in the right way, how to like yesterday, like you know,

(01:50:36):
just to give you an example, like yesterday when that
fire broke out at Pattish Pond, very very important to
be attended to, you know, when we know that and
there was rumors going around here that every resource, every
bomber was pulled out of the Kingston fire. And by
the way, that's that's the one that I'm really concerned about.
I'm concerned about them all because I have a daughter

(01:50:56):
in the Pattish Pond area as well. But you know, uh,
you know, was that true?

Speaker 10 (01:51:02):
Was it?

Speaker 17 (01:51:02):
You know, did they do that or you know, or
what's going on? And and so you know, like the
premium needs to let us know that if there's if
there's somebody, is there anybody in charge?

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
Good question for me.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Look, the updates are important, but similar to like when
we talked about updates during the throws of the pandemic,
I think to hear from people who are actually intimately
involved in the operations of fighting the fires are much
more important voice than politicians. I know why they do it,
and I appreciate the information, but you know, very specific

(01:51:37):
operational info that could be shared by fire duty managers
and the like. That's the voice that I think we
need to hear from all the time, more so than
your elected officials.

Speaker 17 (01:51:46):
You're absolutely you're absolutely correct ive, Patty. You know, I mean,
photo ops are fine, but there's a there there's a
time for photo ops. There's a there's a time for
you know, for all that. And I'm not saying that
that's what you know, these people are doing, but it's
very obvious. Like I spoke with a you know, with
a cabinet minister on Sunday, who's you know, who is

(01:52:08):
a friend of mine, and he answered my call and
I'm very grateful for that. And you know, and he
said that he was going to be in this area
this morning. Now you know, Patty's pond probably changed that,
but that's fine, and and and you know, and he
absolutely agreed. You know, people need to know people people
have lost their homes, you know, and like this fire

(01:52:29):
here here on the on the day word peninsula. You know,
this this peninsula, I think that you know, the widest
place on this peninsula I think is somewhere around fourteen
kilometer or something. And the fire has reached Okra Pit
coal for example. Over you know, if you're familiar with
the with the with the structure of the peninsula, you know,

(01:52:53):
it's it's white on the west, you know, and then
it you know it it narrows out as it goes
north to like towards Old Ferdigan, And I think the
widest place here is about fourteen kilometers now. So that
tells me that that fire and I'm not trying to
be an alarmist here, but that fire now is well
more than halfways across the peninsula. So if this keeps

(01:53:16):
going and the wind keeps going as it is blowing
as you know Westley as it is, you know, it's
going to be in the Trinity Bay in a matter
of you know, for a few days. And the North
Shore Highway.

Speaker 12 (01:53:30):
Is already closed.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
If they held to close.

Speaker 17 (01:53:34):
The Trinity North Highway, how the hell are people going
to get out? There's going to be two ways, you know,
by sea, year by ear. You know this. Look, there's
lots of construction companies in this area and the fire
time concern every one of them now should be on
the other end of that fire, you know, safely and

(01:53:54):
fire breaks being made. Money should be no should be
no concern at Every construction company that is available should
be in the woods as long as they're doing it safely.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
Yeah, no argument, Sarah, We'll try to Look, we did
try to schedule time with the fire duty manager on
this program this morning, but obviously that person is extremely
busy and was I'm with Russell Bowers and Jerry and
Mackey on the morning show. But we'll try to get
him on tomorrow to give us very specific updates on
the utilization of ground crews, air crews, where they are,

(01:54:26):
the thought process about shifting them around, what the criteria
looks like. We'll try to get as much information as
possible tomorrow morning.

Speaker 17 (01:54:34):
Yeah, Patty, you know you're absolutely right. Those fire duty
officers extremely busy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 17 (01:54:42):
Let's get a communications person in there to help them
strictly with communications. That person could relay that to that
communicator and let him do and let him do his job.
And I think probably, you know, not being critical, because
I think you're doing a great job, but I think
that the media could do a better job as well.

(01:55:03):
I think they could give more updates you from these
talk to these people who have been appointed to communicate
and then you know, relay it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
Media can always do a better job. No argument.

Speaker 17 (01:55:17):
You know, we have all kinds of resources and you're
gonna have as many resources here like, if you don't
utilize them right, then you may as well not have
them right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
That's a fact. Appreciate your time is for it. And Glenn,
thank you all right, Thanks Fatty, you're welcome. Bye bye.
All right, let's try to get to the breakdown time.
When we come back.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
Andre Barassa is in the queue with Hazard Control Technology.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
I believe we'll hear from Andre right after this. Don't away,
welcome back to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:55:41):
Let's go on number one to say good morning to
Andre Borassa with Hazard Control Technology.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
Good morning, Andre, you're on the air.

Speaker 12 (01:55:48):
Good morning Tadie, and thank you to let me in.
Please forgive my defriench. I'm calling from Quebec. I'm right
in the middle of my territory. I'm the represent that
is from Hazard Controlled Technologies for Eastern We do have
a supplier of our product in your province and we
would like to be able to introduce it to some

(01:56:08):
of these people in charge of these huge forest fire
because this technology is not a foam, it is p
fast freees stay for the environment, and it could be
for these fires. Could be a good, good solution to
help take control of these massive.

Speaker 3 (01:56:27):
Fire there, So are we talking about why I think
it's called an encapsulator agent.

Speaker 12 (01:56:32):
Exactly, it is an encapsulator agent.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
So how is it different than traditional firefoams?

Speaker 12 (01:56:38):
Okay, a traditional foam is relying on a blanket covered
by small bubbles, and the bubble contains water.

Speaker 21 (01:56:48):
And we know that the only way that we.

Speaker 12 (01:56:50):
Can absorb heat through water is by evaporating it, and
it removes a certain amount of energy. But water is
the very poor key conductor, so a small amount of
water is used when we fight fire. For a fire, well,
I'm a retired firefighter from a full time fire department

(01:57:12):
here in Saint jeist Year. We serve the population of
well over one hundred thousand citizens. So when I was
in service there for forty five and a half years,
So instead of relying of a good retirement, I gave
myself the duty of educating people and giving information of
people on this technology. And because it is an encapsulator,

(01:57:36):
not only does it remove eat a lot faster than
plain water or than foam, but it does encapsulate the
toxins in the smoke. The city of La Valley right
mark to Montreal have done a study through the University
of Ottawa proving that between sixty five to over ninety

(01:57:56):
five percent of the toxins in the smoke when fight
fire using this technology, the toxin are reduced and depending
on the specific toxin that were analyzed from the university,
the reduction were between sixty and to over ninety five percent,
so which is a game changer for safety and out

(01:58:18):
of firefighter. And here in Quebec we've done a tremendous
work since signed with this company seven years ago. And
aside from the large two largest city Montreal and Quebec,
name any other large city in the province of Quebec.

Speaker 19 (01:58:33):
They all are using our technology today.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
How is it deployed?

Speaker 12 (01:58:39):
You use it exactly the same way as you would
be using plane water. And to apply the product into
your water, you use it the similar equipment that the
fire department already have on end to add foam. It
is exactly the same way to apply plane water compared
to pham that you need to apply it on the

(01:59:00):
very specific matters. And the other thing is that we
do have testimony letters from Bobaji who made those plane
that bumps of water over for this fire and on
the request of the Itali Italian government a couple of
years ago. Bobadi says, the use of this product is

(01:59:20):
safe with their plane, so it can be used. And
again it is p fast three, so it is no
armfol for the environment.

Speaker 3 (01:59:29):
How effective is it out of the different so called
classes of fires, because you know there's a difference between
a wood fire and electrical fire and some hazardous material fire.
So is it effective across the border for very specific
classes of fire?

Speaker 12 (01:59:41):
Okay? It is very effective on any types of fire.
And actually the fire we are talking right now are
what we call class A fire, which is good. This
product can be used on any of the types of fire. Insurivently,
we do have proven that we put out lichterm iron
battery fire. Carfire can be put out using this technology,

(02:00:03):
and we do have some proof of that. So and
to come back on your types of fire, actually class
A fire. If you look at huge tire fire, okay,
a tire is a solid material, so it is a
class A fire. I suggest that you goggle on the
on your Internet and go and see Gila River tire fire.

(02:00:27):
Gila River tire fire. There or sixteen piles of tire.
Each pile is one hundred seventy five foot long, fifty
foot wide, fifty foot high. Sixteens are burning for days
and they request a special shipment of our technology. And
when they came on with five hundred, the entire scene,

(02:00:49):
remember sixteen piles of tires are burning. Within one morning
the fire was under control. And in twenty nineteen, if
you do some research, there was these huge Amazon fire
and as control was brought, interaction over there to help
these people to combat these huge forests. And since Amazon

(02:01:14):
is in the region of South in Central America and
lots of country now is using our technology for these
types of fire. So there's no reason why your province
couldn't try it. And it can be used for lang
que and can be used with backpacks. It can be
used by firefighter who could go along the road and

(02:01:35):
spray with their master stream over the trees to make
a fire barrier. It has a very good heat resistance,
very good burned back resistance what we call and it
can also use with the planes and helicopters.

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
So what's the conversation sound like between your company and
the province if we're talking about something that you're saying
and telling us is as effective as you say.

Speaker 12 (02:02:00):
It is very effective and I suggest that you get
in touch with our distributor over your problem. He currently
lives in Saint John. His name is Douglass Kirby. He
owns the company named First Response Supply. So if you
get in touch with Douglass Kirby, his phone number is
seven zero nine six eight two eight four zero three,

(02:02:24):
he may be able to get you in touch with
some of the fire department in your problems who already
use this product and can testimony of the efficiency of
the product.

Speaker 2 (02:02:34):
Well do I appreciate you making time for the show, aure.

Speaker 12 (02:02:36):
Thank you, I thank you, and be safe there and
good luck.

Speaker 2 (02:02:39):
Thank you very much, appreciate it. Okay byekay boy bye?
All right. Likely to find word goest line number three.
Grace here on the air.

Speaker 21 (02:02:47):
Today, Patty, thanks for having me on No Problem. First,
I'm a retired veteran and the past volunteer experience with
the Canadian Red Cross Disaster Management Team, and I just
want to give a big, huge shout out again, like
to all the first responders and volunteers that are digitally

(02:03:08):
you know, really stepping up and out to help everyone.
So I guess I've really got two questions. So I
just want to put one out there is for anybody
that is a retired veteran or first responder, where can
they go if they want to help, Like where is
the help needed? And the second question would be has

(02:03:28):
anybody in the government looked into or done research into
using use of drones to help put the fires out?

Speaker 2 (02:03:38):
That's an interesting question.

Speaker 3 (02:03:40):
There is testing at this moment in British Columbia using
something what they call the thunder Wasp drone to do
exactly that, to play a role in firefighting or fire suppression.
So I don't know how far along they are in
that particular test, but that's something that I think I
can probably find out. I read a story about it
not too long ago. It's some organization called the Strategic

(02:04:01):
Natural Resource Group Tests. So I'm going to chase that
now that you put it back in my mind.

Speaker 21 (02:04:07):
Okay, great, Patty, if you need the email address, you
can reach out to me after. I know one of
the gentlemen, he is a retired veteran that's a part
of that company, and like he was explaining to me,
it showed me this was a few months back last
year when they started this project, that they have the
technology is what they're trying to do that. These drones

(02:04:30):
actually respond and they're putting water on the fire before
human can respond.

Speaker 3 (02:04:36):
It's an interest look whether it be the Waterscooper helicopters.

Speaker 2 (02:04:40):
Or these drones.

Speaker 3 (02:04:41):
And someone from Cougar Helicopter sent me an email this
morning talked about their parent companies. Some of the I
can't remember what it was called now, a certain kind
of helicopter that's been very effective in the past. So
it's not all water bombers. It's all all of the
above that we have to utilize. But I am going
to get in touch with that crowd out in BC
because there was a name in the news story and
I'll see if I can figure out exactly where they

(02:05:02):
are and that technology.

Speaker 21 (02:05:04):
Okay, and Chris G.

Speaker 6 (02:05:07):
I L L. E.

Speaker 21 (02:05:08):
N Is the gentleman I was in contact with, So,
like I say, I can get you his email. I've
already sent him an email earlier this morning just in case,
but I can certainly get that to you guys as well.

Speaker 2 (02:05:20):
Send it along. We'd appreciate it perfect.

Speaker 21 (02:05:23):
And as for the the you know, the retired veterans
and first responders and people that may want to help.
Is there a place that people can contact or has
there been information passed it on that.

Speaker 10 (02:05:34):
Yet, pet Patty, Not that I know of now.

Speaker 3 (02:05:36):
I guess the only way to do it is to
go through the goverate Department Responsible. So it's a branch
of the Department of Justice. So you're going to have
to reach out to what they call the Provincial Emergency
Operations Center. That's who manages the Emergency Services Division. They'd
be in charge of that, I would imagine, and that coordination,
So that's where I would start.

Speaker 21 (02:05:55):
Okay, that's great. Yeah, and so that's available on their
website man number.

Speaker 3 (02:06:00):
Yeah, if you just go to the Department of Justice
and go down to the various branches, you'll find it there.

Speaker 21 (02:06:04):
Okay, perfect, and stay safe everyone. My daughter is in
the alert area as well, so we have our care
pact and kind of just hanging around waiting and watching
the destruction happen.

Speaker 2 (02:06:16):
That's terrible. Appreciate your time, grace, Thank you.

Speaker 21 (02:06:19):
Yeah, stay safe everyone, you too.

Speaker 10 (02:06:21):
Bye bye.

Speaker 3 (02:06:22):
So I don't think we can get Marlene on here
now because we're off to the news. So good show today,
big thanks to twelve hands. I'll be willing to pick
up this conversation again one morning right here on VOCM
and big landfm's Open Line and by half of the
producer David Williams.

Speaker 2 (02:06:34):
I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun,
happy day. We'll talk in the morning. Bye bye