Tuesday August 19th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line call seven oh nine two seven,
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Newfoundland and Labrador starts now. Here's VOCM Open Line host

(00:22):
Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Tuesday, August
the nineteenth. This is Open Line. I'm your host Patty Daily.
David Williams, he's produced the program. We are looking forward
to speaking with you this morning on a topic of
your choosing. So if you're in the Saint John's metro region,
the number of dialogue in the Q and on the
air is seven zero nine two seven three five two

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one one. Elsewhere a toll free long distance one eight
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six sols. Ease into a Little Canada Summer Games round up.
Only one competition yesterday that was in women's baseball making
history Labrador or the host team taken on bc BC
blasted their way into the win column with a thirteen

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to nothing win over the hosts, so down early a
three run blast from one of the BC players, Leila
Spencer I think is her name. So yeah, anyway, we've
got a pretty tough schedule in baseball, but that is
history made yesterday. I'm not familiar with every single amateur
athlete in the province that I've been taking the task
by not mentioning one person who seems to be in

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the running for a spot on the podium in athletics
track and field. Apparently the fellow's name is Sawyer LeBlanc.
He's participating in the fifteen hundred and the three thousand meter,
so apparently there's a metal opportunity there, so good luck
and go get him to Sawyer and everybody else participating.
So this week a lot of great sports on the go,
including athletics, artistics, swimming kicks off at the Aquarina. Well

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of course women's baseball, box lacrosse men. What else we
got here? Golf which is at the bally Hilly Country Club.
Soccer on the women's side, softball and men's side volleyball
on the indoor side. And I mentioned golf. If you
ask even run of the mill golf fans what they
think the lowest round ever shot is in competitive golf round.
I think many people say, well, Jim Purreik fifty eight, right,

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it's not. It was sixty three years ago today that
a Texan named Jmeo Blancas shot a fifty five in
a college golf tournament, thirteen birdies add an eagle on
his way to a fifty five score in the Power
seventy course of Longview, Texas. He actually went on to
win on the PGA Tour, win on the Champion Store.
But sixty three years ago today, Jumaro Blancas fifty five unbelievable. Anyways,

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keep going. So I guess there's a tentative agreement between
qp's ten thousand plus flight attendant members and Air Canada.
That's a good thing. The details aren't out there, but
I think there's a few important things that we're learning
here from this most recent job action. The federal government
and the relationship with organized labor is a strange one.

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You know, if you look at the fact that the
Liberal government brought it an anti replacement legislation, people like
to call it anti scabt legislation. I guess organized labor
group saught that. Now I was a meaningful step in
a positive direction. If you are add a unionized member here,
if you're working in a federally regulated industry such as
the airlines, banking, telecom, uranium mining, up and down the line.

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So here's a quote directly from the CEO at Air Canada,
Michael Russo. He was asked by a reporter, you didn't
make any provisions before the strike to ensure the pastors,
or at least some of them, would get to where
they're going, And mister Russo said, well, we thought obviously
that Section one oh seven would be enforced and they
wouldn't illegally avoid Section one oh seven, which basically said

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if you read between the lines and it doesn't take
a microscope, is they're basically saying that they believe the
federal government's going to come to their aid, just like
they did with the port workers, just like they did
with the rail workers, but curiously did not deal with
Kindada post workers during that Christmas strike. So where two
from here? And you can talk about, hey, if they
got a whopping big rays and that's simply going to

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be bumped up on top of my airline, fair and
likely that's the case. But if we're talking about the
legitimacy of getting paid for work that you do, whether
it be before the pastor's board, after they board, even
when flights are canceled or delayed, and the sit over
as they call it, inside that realm, and then people
look at the headline of what their wages are. I'm
only offering this so that we have some context when

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we do get some detail. I think the offer was
thirty eight percent of for four years. Right off the bat,
people say, well, the new hire as a flight attendant
makes thirty dollars and two cents per hour. That was
as of mid last year. I don't know what the
update that number is here. That sounds good, right, but
of course flight attendant's hours are capped at around seventy
five to eighty hours per month. Normal workers on the

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ground we work one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty hours,
so that really does break down their base pay a
lot lower than the headline grabbing thirty dollars and two cents.
So we'll see too from here, and regardless of what
side you're on, there is a distinct contrast between bringing
forward anti replacement legislation and corporations who are basically thinking, well,
the federal gum's is going to invoke Section one oh

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seven and back to work come of the workers. We
don't have to worry about scab workers. We don't have
to worry about replacement workers, because that's been what's happening
over the course of the last number of job actions.
What do you think, all right? Marine Atlantic, So we
know the leef Frikson is a pretty old vessel. It's
built about thirty five years ago. Now they've put forward
a request for proposals trying to identify an organization with

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an existing vessel prepared to enter into a five year
charter agreement. Then they talk about the maximum hundred ninety
five meter. Still, plenty of people want me to keep
Marine Atlantic on the front burner because, yes, we know
it's great for commercial traffic to see the Farris cut
in half, but for passion of traffic not so much. Yes,
it's going to be great to save some money if
you do, indeed use Marine Atlantic in your passenger vehicle.

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But the bookings are already way up, seven thousand more
this year than compared to last summer. So I keep
getting asked very specific questions about how difficult it has
been for people from this province to book passage over
and back on a timeline that suits them, so they
might not be able to get the exact day and
the exact sailing that you want. But if you are

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booking to go over for a specific purpose or even
just for a look around, but you can't get back
for two weeks or so, it does beg the question
about how we prioritize who gets booking, who gets preference
when it comes to bookings. I don't know if I've
ever been able to figure out a system that would
work and accommody commercial trafficking, accommody it hazardous goods, accommodate
the tourists, and yes, accommodate people from this province. But

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after the RFP they go. I wonder is there an
option to keep the leef rickson on as well as
an additional vessel and of five year lease?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (06:37):
All right? Obviously, the biggest issue in the province for
most is the wildfire situation. It is the worst smoky
morning here in Saint John's and of course that is
really the least of many people's worries. When we talk
about some thousands that have been evacuated from the home,
but there is an air quality concern, and so judge
yourself accordingly. Here today, it's really quite thick here this morning.

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I can only imagine what it's been like to live
in closer proximity to the fires, with the wind keeping
the smoke and the low ceiling hovering over your head.
So the update again at ten fifteen this morning, and
we'll carry it live. There are some questions about how
the vacuees have been housed, and if you are an
evacue and even if you want to just remain anonymous

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and share your experience, especially those evacuated coming up on
three weeks here. Then it's the thought of compensation for evacuees.
The beginning, the first thought we heard or comment we
heard from the government was five hundred dollars per evacuee.
Then it became five hundred dollars per household. Jim Din
and others talking about whether or not that should be

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one thousand dollars per household, just like it was for
lab West residents last year. I don't know what the
right number is, but Premier Hogan says it's basically just
for incidentals and they're not considering boosting it from five
hundred two on thousand dollars. You want to take it on,
we can do it. There's also been a special committee
struck to talk about long term recovery efforts for folks

(08:00):
the north Shore. We don't have a real firm understanding
of exactly how many structures have been lost and what
those structures may be. We do know some like Capit
Academy out in Western Bay, for instance, but again I'm
not going to dig too deep into it this morning,
other than to echo what we've heard from many, and
rightfully so, is the thanks and the gratitude for those

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who are doing everything, whether be fighting the fire, accommodating evacuees,
offering supports and services. Good on you for what you're doing.
Then there's some of the conversations about what compensation might
look like for the volunteer side of firefighters. It's a
moving target. Not everyone is in the same circumstance. They're
having the same circumstance for their experience on the ground

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trying to fight the fires, but whether or not they've
taken vacation time or they're actually doing their normal sake
so called job and then moving off to volunteer to
fight one of these fires. So anything on that front,
we will let the update speak for itself, because that
would be the most accurate information, which is pretty important
in circumstances such as these. All right, not to get

(09:06):
lost in the shuffle, and it was government was obliged
by legislation to offer a financial update no less than
fifteen days before the fixed general election date. And of
course the province has to call an election where we
have to go to the poll's part of me on
or before October the fourteenth. There is a growing thought
out there that the election call is coming sooner than later.
I don't know. I haven't heard from anybody with any

(09:28):
real authority on the liberal side of the government. But
let's get into the update. So we'll talk about retail numbers,
housing starts, unemployment to what have you. But the province's
deficit has climbed to six hundred and twenty six million dollars,
not insignificant. That's two hundred and fifty four million dollars
less than the forecast. When we talk about, say, for instance,

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the price of barrel of oil, the province was relatively
aggressive pegging oil price is on an annualized average at
seventy three dollars US per barrel right now sixty six
bucks peril. So remember that this also includes what the
government has done with including every single dollar of the
big tobacco sentiment money into this year's deficit. You know,

(10:12):
with no consultation with the Auditor General. They're allowed to
do it, there's no question, but there's still some ifs
as to how and when that money will flow from
the big tobacco companies into provincial government offers. Some of
it was upfront. I believe it was fifteen percent, So
this big number still includes all of that money. Other
provinces had the same consideration, but what they did, which
sounds like much more better protocols, is to consult with

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the Auditor General about how to handle this money. We didn't,
So that number also includes that big tobacco settlement. All right,
Consumer spending is up. There is some good news on
forecasts regarding GDP. There's certainly some pretty good news on
unemployment numbers. Nine point nine percent this year. It is
one of the lowest recorded in the province in the

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province's history, so that's not bad news. Obviously, retails pretty
strong eight point three percent higher as of about May
of twenty twenty five compared to the same time last year.
We still know that regardless of inflation rates, and there's
an update coming the day. There's a thought it's going
to drop from one point nine percent to one point
eight percent. But you can't eat inflation. So all the

(11:16):
stubborn cost of living issues that we see because regardless
who we all support or vote for, we all have
to eat. And that's the number one concern that we hear.
That and fuel prices, but it's the grocery store that
really gets people going. So, yeah, there's some economic indicators
that look like they're going to be helpful. But remember
we're also borrowing four point one billion dollars this year,

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so there are some good news facets of this economic
uptap and others that are headline grabbers for me. Debt
and deficit. It's at borrowing, you know, the cost of service.
That debt is wild. It's in and around how much
we spent on education. At the same time, no one's
ever been able to give me an answer to this question,
which I don't really understand. The thought process behind it is, Look,

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the future fund sounds good, you know, putting money away
for rainy day like we try to do as individuals
and homeowners and families, which is very difficult to say
the least. But we are putting money into the Future Fund.
So this year it was one hundred and eight million dollars,
bringing the total in the Future Fund to four hundred
and sixty seven million dollars, which pales in comparison to
four point one billion dollars. Are borrowing, but servicing debt

(12:26):
is expensive, so I'm really still remain confused as to
why we put money in the Future Fund as supposed
to simply apply to the depth sit I really don't
quite get it, or apply to reduce borrowing requirements. So anyway,
there's the economic update. If you want to dig in
on any front, we can do it all right. So
the trade negotiations with the United States have sort of

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fallen off the radar. Look, there's so much going on right,
but the whole issue of national security threat that we
are apparently to the Americans, whether be fent or otherwise.
The numbers are clear based on seizures, even though yes
they don't catch every crime of fentanyl crossing the border
in either direction. We always need to do better. But
the big bugaboo, and for some reason this has been

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in my email inbox many many times last evening is
should we just say, okay, mister Trump, we will abandon
supply management. I don't know, depends on who you ask
as to whether or not this is a good thing.
In the United States, when they talk about dairy farmers,
they do it differently than us. They basically which when
people don't have clear definitions of the isms out there,

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that's very much practice of socialism. They subsidize the farmers,
plain and simple American farmers. They envy the supply management
that we have in place in this country. And of
course it has three basic pillars. That's setting a quotas
to even be able to sell your product, whether it
be dairy, poultry or eggs, you have to be the
holder of a quota, and then of course establishing minimum prices.

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There's summer in the neighbor of seventeen eighteen thousand quota
holders in Canada, total value of it in and around
forty billion dollars, so not a small issue. The minimum
price has been imported obviously for the farmers. But the
argument being made against the supply management is we pay
artificially high prices as a result of this practice of

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supply management, and it is certainly one of the thorns
in President Trump's side. But important to acknowledge that the
United States is far more restrictive to import of dairy
products from this country than we are on their products.
There is a really high threshold before any tariff it's charged.
But the Americans, they give access to about three percent
of their domestic market for foreign dairy products, including from Canada.

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Europe has a quota of zero point five percent. So
while we're told we're the big bad guys on supply
management when compared to the Americans, we're not same thing.
When we talk about other countries and they've had the
same experience that we are experiencing here. New Zealand, the
largest dairy exporting country in the world, has higher milk
prices than we do here in Canada. So again you

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can get one thing tank or another look at it
and one will say it costs Canadian families five hundred
and fifty four additional dollars per year because of supply management.
But that's what we do. We pay more at the
shop versus how they handled it south of the border
when they actually simply subsidize the farmers. So which one
would you prefer? But I guess in some sort of

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coordinated affair last night. I'm inundated with supply management conversations
and happy to take it on. Same thing with interprovincial trade.
These conversations were all the rage and now deathly silent.
You know, told by the federal government can un leash
billions of dollars of value, billions of dollars of impact
positively on the GDP. This problems. Won't sign on to

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the national agreement. There was one signed back in twenty seventeen,
which really didn't change a whole whole lot. But we're
not going to sign on, which that's unfortunate in many
people's from many people's perspective, and the basic thought there
is to protect the two major breweries. You want to
talk talk about it, we can do it. Also, a
couple of quickies before we.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Get to.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Had a couple of calls last week that were specific
concerns about the availability of an ambulance. Same thing we
had yesterday on this program. And again there's always going
to be healthcare concerns and conversations that we welcome your call,
but I'm here more and more specific questions about availability
and the time with which you can get in an

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air ambulance for a transfer, and we're a ground ambulance.
People report extensive weights and confusion, and of course when
people take the opportunity to call nine to one one
looking for an ambulance, the vast majority of the time,
every second counts. So if you'd like to bring your
personal story too, because I have dozens of emails that

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are about ambulances, both in the air and on the ground,
and we can take it on. Also, while we deal
with so many big issues wildfires certainly right now in
this province, is we can't take our eye off the
prize of a variety of other issues, including personal care homes.
So the Auditor of General, Denise hanran on this program
and when that report was released, we were justifiably concerned.

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I mean they were talking about with the feces on
the wall, a death that happened as a result of
inappropriate administration of medication. One resident was given several doses
of a medicine that was meant for another resident and
the person died. So, whether it be compliance issues and
the public release of compliance issues, verbal and sexual abuse

(17:31):
by staff. And again I will remind people that there's
plenty of good personal care homes and plenty good people
working in the system. But even if you start with
the bare bones of updating or modernizing the operational standards,
which has not happened since two thousand and seven, with
a draft that's been done since twenty twenty two that
hasn't been implemented, we probably can't just read these reports

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and then all of a sudden government can say we
accept the recommendations, of which there were ten on that
particular file, Miss Hanrans. So you know, let's just try
to make sure that some of the big issues that
get discussed wide and far for a few days and
then go away, like that personal care report. So you
want to talk about it, we can do it, all right.

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So mister Polieff, Pierre Poliev, the leader of the Conservative
Party of Canada, is going back to the House of Commons.
Won handily in Battle River Crawfoot with some eighty percent
of the vote last night. So back into a seat
in the House of Commons goes mister Poliev. I would
imagine that that pretty significant victory eighty plus percent is
a real whipping that probably does the way with any

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conversation regarding his leadership being in question, even though the
Conservatives were way out on the federal front and came
up shy, even though holding the Liberals to a minority
Parliament for mister Polyev back into the House of Commons.
And we did see yesterday Ukrainian President Zelensky and other
European Union leaders meeting with Donald Trump at the White House.

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Not a whole lot of detail came from it, but
we are talking about a hopeful path to peace that
does not include a ceasefire, and people talk about redrawing
the map and concessions being offered and appeasement being offered.
Appeasement has never worked in the past, including with Vladimir Putin,
So why a pathway to peace and negotiating said peace

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with no ceasefire. It's going to be pretty tricky. Plenty
of attacks overnight coming from both sides, And of course
I'm expert in international diplomacy and or the path to
coming to some sort of mutually agreeable position on this,
but the world is watching it, and so were Canadians.
Canadians will talk about support for Ukraine, whether you like it,

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or you loath it. It is part of the public
discourse on that front. So you want to take it down,
we can do it. Very last one. I meant to
do this yesterday and I promise I to get it
out there. And since I have a new puppy, these
ones hit me herd. So there's a little very small
Maltesese Yorky short hair five to eight pounds named Mia.
Mia has been missing from the Mackinson South River area
Goulesbridge Road. The dog got away and just a few

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minutes later when they recognized it, they went and hunted
grid searchers in the bush and they cannot find Mia.
Sixteen to seventeen years of age. She has a hearing
of vision impairment. She's not able to go too far,
but they simply can't find her. So if you have
any information, I've spoted this lost small Maltese Yorkie name
b you can go to the Facebook page which they've

(20:23):
set up. You can also give them a call at
seven zero nine seven four six seventy nine two or
seven six five forty seven to twenty two, or please
do go to MIA's Facebook group and Mea is spelled
m iahs So fingers crossed for the safer turn of
this little Yorkie. We're on Twitter where VOSM openline follow

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us there. Email address is open lineafosim dot com. Well
we gome back. Let's have a great show. That means
you're in the que to talk about whatever's on your mind.
Don't go away, welcome back to the show. Let's forget
this morning on line number three, Good morning Gary.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
Or on the air, Goodmr Patty.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
It's been a well since we had a checked for
a really enjoyed your preamble this morning. And you're talking.
I'm gonna bring up one more issue for you to
maybe look into it if you can't. You're talking about
Marine Atlantic. Well, can you find out what's happening with that?
That that ship that that ship that was grounded in
the Saint Lawrence Seaway, because I think that needs to

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be addressed too. What what's happened with that?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well the ship that is ground are we talking about
out in Cedar Golf the MSc Baltic in the Saint
Lawrence Seaway?

Speaker 6 (21:32):
Okay, it was on National News on c TV and
TVC about two weeks ago, I think, and it has
a bunch of cargo and stuff and stuff that was
going down. Saint Lawrence seaway grounded, got grounded.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I thought that had been free.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
No, I have no idea that. That's why that's why
I called you, because because you seem to you seem
to look into things and finances. Because I never heard
anything on the news no more now either, So I
have no idea. That's why I'll call you and see
if you know anything more about it. If you don't,
maybe something else does that you can call you and

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then you can let us know.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, well I recalled them one grounded close by Montreal.
Uh as far as I can recall, I thought that
ship had been freed. If not, I'll find out more
about it. But that was the first thing popped in
my mind, is that ship has now floated away.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
First I heard that the gun free is right now
with you, you the voice of our profits. Well man,
that that makes me happy you've got free because that
that that's that's a lot of goods on that that ship.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, I'll confirm that, but that's the first thing that
came to my mind.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
Well, that's one of the thanks pat oh and I
enjoyed yet I'm my condolence to the guyue that his
wife passed away. Howard mich condoleance to him to that
that was such as that said said thing that you
mentioned yesterday on the radio.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
It is that.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so sad. But I
think he really pointed some stuff. I know, you address
the situation bout what's going on with the health system
quite a bit, and that's good because we need to
hear more of that. More people share their stories because
there's good there's good stories there and in the stories

(23:31):
when they share it too. But not all fad. There's
got to be some good stories too, IM sure there is.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I'm always up for a bit of good news, that's
for sure.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
Oh yeah, we we oh yeah. And the Blue Teeth.
We've got to hear for Baddie, okay, and Bladdy's okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
I mean, I don't know how bad it is, but
it's always concerning when one of the very best players
you have, and one of the very best players in
the league is taken out of the game in the
middle of the game when they he showed by. So
he's got left hamstring tightness. How it's being reported, No
real update is how bad it is yet as far
as I know, But he was pointing to the back
of his left leg in the first inning, but didn't

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take him out to the fifth, So I don't know.
I hope he's okay.

Speaker 6 (24:15):
Like Josh Schneider. He commented on that after the game too,
and he says, so lady knows his body is better
than anybody is. Hopefully them he shows no real bad
results and maybe it won't be that long before he's
got there. And that was quite That was a good ballgame.
That that picture of Pittsburgh, Holy Macro, he's a good picture.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
That that.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Skiing is what's his Thanks Paul Skins.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
He's only twenty three years old. There's only second year
in the league. He's an absolute beast. There's no doubt
about it. Last night when the Jay scored their first run,
is the first run he's given up at home since
the beginning of June.

Speaker 6 (24:53):
Yeah, that's that's that's that's incredible.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, I know, he's he's something else, that guy. And
the Jays have been handling some of the tough pitchers
in the recent past, and they had some chances last
night too, you know. But anyway, we're still in their
second best record in the American nation.

Speaker 6 (25:10):
We're still in the first place. I mean that, you know,
we got the Yankees in the second and you know, oh,
did you hear it about the maybe realignment coming down
the pipe to the commissioner. But realignment, so Pittsburgh and
Toronto might be in the same divisions.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
There's some I don't know how much appetite there is
for it amongst the owners necessarily, but the commissioner works
for the owners, doesn't work for the paying public, doesn't
work for the players, works for the owners. So we'll see. Yeah,
So the Yankees and Red Sox are now both tied
five games back. The Yankees have turned it around a
little bit, seven to three in their last ten, Red
Sox struggling a little bit, I think the four and
six in their last ten. The Jays are five and five,

(25:51):
but still there with seventy three wins. Last year for
the entire season, had seventy four wins, so.

Speaker 7 (25:57):
Pretty much so this year has been a real time.

Speaker 6 (26:00):
It's good. So this sort of like we're getting gravy.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Now see what we can do. Gary, appreciate the time,
Thank you, okay.

Speaker 6 (26:08):
And you have a wonderful day. Site for the update
on that grounded ship that that really means a lot.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Maybe yeah, good Dai, down you too, Gary, Bye bye.
I'll try to make sure that that is actually the case.
And when you talk ground the ship, I was pretty
sure we're going to talk about the MSc Baltic three.
The issues regarding offloading all the fuel and all the
containers continues. They're not there yet, but of course some
of the concerns, as voiced early on, was obviously environmental

(26:38):
risks are massive, and I have no idea what the
future holds in so far as Atlantic hurricane season. We
know there's one brewing now, Hurricane Aaron. Don't know how
that's going to track and impact this particular province. I
think Russell Bauers I heard out of the corner of
my ear talking with the meteorologist, who I believe was
based in Florida, if I'm not mistaken, talk about how
what it might mean for the Carolinas, a what not.

(26:59):
I don't think there's act impact coming there, but when
you have the reptides and eleven meter high waves and
the rest, obviously major concern. Let's take a break. When
we come back, we're speaking with you, don't away welcome
back to the program just very quickly. One thing, I
hope the rain we're getting here on Camunt Road is
actually falling on the wildfires close by as well, and

(27:20):
hope all the wildfires get a dose rain here this morning.
I people who are concerned with air quality, the air
quality index has just been updated and is now at ten,
the very high, the worst of the scale. How that
is going to impact just everybody's day to day life here,
just to understand the risk, because the very tiny particles

(27:41):
in the wildfire smoke can be certainly have an adverse
effect on your health. So what that's going to mean
for competitions at the Canada Games level, What it's simply
going to mean for you as you have to do
something or rather outdoors today, even though the rain might
keep some people in. But you can govern your risk
as you see fit. But the index level is now

(28:02):
at the top of the scale.

Speaker 8 (28:02):
Ten.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Let's keep going. Let's go to line number one. Let's
taken more to the PC member for exploits. That's Pluman.
For see Pluman, you're on the air. Good morning, Patty,
Good morning to you.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
Patty.

Speaker 9 (28:12):
I did want to call this morning, you know, as
pertaining to the Merton Lake fire, of course, But I
just wanted to put a shout this morning and recognize
all the firefighters, crews, pilot's officials and volunteers, you know,
for their continued tireless effort, you know, and the dedication
throughout the fire here at Merton Lake and through the
province of course, and me say, we just we just

(28:34):
can't take those thank those people enough, you know, for
their for the involvement in those fires and keeping the
safe at times.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, I mean sometimes we throw around labels like hero
and legend and icon and whatnot, but they're putting for
the heroic effort here, no doubt in my mind.

Speaker 9 (28:50):
Anyway, Well, they are petty, you know. We've heard the
time and time again, you know. And I know they've
spent a lot of acknowledgement through to those people, and
kudos to them, you know, and and you know fur
their continuous continued efforts, and me say, what you do.

Speaker 8 (29:04):
Let me see.

Speaker 9 (29:06):
A lot of sleepless nights, a lot of hard work,
dedication goes into that, and and there their day in
day too to keep us, keep us as safe as
possible and protect our protect our powerties that we have.
So yeah, we I must say, we just can't take
them enough and probably can't do enough form at times.
You know that that that we can do. So it's

(29:26):
it's good to see those fellows here and I know
they've been involved quite a bit, and I've been talking
to a lot of them, and you could see the
tired faces on at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah. Well, the pictures of them lying along the highway
and the face is covered in soot and the exhaustion
with just the heat and the fight itself. We're in
all that equipment. Man, oh man, I'm glad they're doing it.
And my gratitude is echoing yours. I appreciate that. Flee
up lemen.

Speaker 9 (29:52):
Yeah, you know that's that's that's what I wanted to
call for the this morning, Patty, was just to recognize
those individuals and me say again a bouquet to them,
and we just can't we just can't thank them enough.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Are you out in the area. Are you in and
around town limit?

Speaker 9 (30:06):
No, I'm in. I'm in Bishops Falls actually, okay, And
last night I think the rains, of course, we did
have a lot of rain here yesterday, Patty, And again's
supposed to continue.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
In to today.

Speaker 9 (30:15):
So it's it seems to help the fires, no doubt
it has. You know, during the week, that kind of stuff.
There has been a lot of smoke around them, we say,
and in the in the night times, you know, I
know people have viewed the fire from different areas and
you know, especially in this peak period, you know, it
looked really looked really gruesome, to be honest with you.
And you know, but but what with the rains and

(30:38):
the conditions today, and you know, hopefully that those fires
can be you know, continue to work from the firefighters
and crews and hopefully we can hear some some more
good news in the coming days.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Of course, yeah, let's hope so. And you know, the
weather is going to be play a major role here too.
And like I just mentioned, I helped the rain that
we're experiencing on Camrat Road falling on the fires as well.

Speaker 9 (31:02):
Mother nature is the boss, Freddy.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Pretty much, no fighting her.

Speaker 9 (31:06):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
We share your time flaming. Okay's blaming for see the
PC memor for exploits. Let's go to line number three.
Good morning, Tina Olavero, you're on the air.

Speaker 8 (31:15):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
How are you okay this morning? Thank you, how about you?

Speaker 10 (31:19):
Good?

Speaker 8 (31:21):
Yes, it's so smoky.

Speaker 11 (31:22):
I live downtown and you can hardly see across the
harbor at some point, so thankfully just started raining.

Speaker 8 (31:28):
But it's like you go outside and you start coughing,
so it's pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Anyway, I can only see the silhouette off Ken Mount
aras here this morning. It is really dark where we are.

Speaker 11 (31:39):
Yeah, here too, it's like we're in the wind jet
stream here of all that smoke, so it's coming straight
down into the harborfront.

Speaker 8 (31:48):
Anyway, today I'm here to talk.

Speaker 11 (31:50):
About as most people know, I advocate for people with
addictions and their family members with Guardians of Recovery, and
I want to talk about my prostration with the government
and having you know, ample band aid solutions but not
long term sustainable solutions.

Speaker 8 (32:09):
Last year, when Premier Fury was in his role, I
had met with Fury and he was all.

Speaker 11 (32:16):
For creating long term sustainable solutions in the form of
recovery homes.

Speaker 8 (32:22):
So we were excited.

Speaker 11 (32:24):
About that and we worked with John Abbott from September.
I went into his office every Monday from September to December.
Myself and many other people were invited to come in
and give their input as to what would create sustainable,
long term sober living homes. So during that time frame

(32:45):
we talked about, you know, best practices across Canada, what
would work, and Guardians of Recovery got Earl Fison on
board onto our board literally and he runs twenty seven
homes in over homes in Alberta and they're having great
success with that. So you know, we don't need to
reinvent the wheel. We just took that and adopted it here.

(33:10):
The government thankfully put out an expression of interest for
all of us to put in a bid, and we
did January fifteenth.

Speaker 8 (33:19):
It took me three months.

Speaker 11 (33:21):
To build our proposal and it was one hundred and
fifty pages long. Keep in mind, I'm a volunteer, so
we're doing this in the best interests of our province
and our long term sustainable solutions. So it gets into government,
we all submit our bids and then Fury steps down
and then all of a sudden, there is no sober homes.

(33:44):
It's so frustrating because we took hours upon hours of work,
not just me, but many other groups that were invited,
Jeff atu Turns and other groups.

Speaker 8 (33:55):
We all submit a bids.

Speaker 11 (33:57):
And it just like vanished into thin and then I thought, okay,
well that's not good enough. You know, we have to scream,
we have to shout to get anything done here with
the government. And so I decided I'm going to have
a province wide relly and get this dealt with once
over all, Like this is a provincial concern. Everybody's dealing

(34:18):
with the addiction and the crime and the fallout in
their communities, trap houses, you know, it's rampant, and of
course overdoses in dis so I mean, a whole generation
of our youth are getting wiped out here.

Speaker 8 (34:33):
So it's frustrating.

Speaker 11 (34:35):
When the government invites you in, you put all this
time into.

Speaker 12 (34:38):
It, you do proposals, you offer, you know, your all
of your expertise, you respond to the requests for proposals,
and it just falls flat.

Speaker 11 (34:50):
Now I've followed up with Premier Hogan. He doesn't answer.

Speaker 8 (34:55):
Back at all. I followed up with John Abbott, he's
now leaving.

Speaker 11 (35:00):
I've followed up, of course with our Minister of mental Health,
and she's a Minister health and I have never had
no response there either, So, like, what are we supposed
to do? We're sick of building a province on harm reduction.
That's like building a house on quicksand. And the government

(35:21):
really should be responsible.

Speaker 8 (35:23):
For its requests, its.

Speaker 11 (35:25):
Communication, and having integrity in actually honoring the people who
are doing the work.

Speaker 8 (35:32):
They should be instead.

Speaker 11 (35:34):
Of us, you know, asking, begging, rallying, they should be
bending over backwards to try and get this stuff in stated, like,
what is the problem?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
A couple of questions. So I think there might be
some confusion amongst the listeners about exactly what a sober
living home is because they're not all created equal. So
you know, people think people don't want to understand detox
and rehab, but sober living inside your were we talking about,
you know, the combination of detox and rehab. Would it

(36:05):
be based on a certain recovery methodology or twelve step program?
And who would staff it? Those types of things so
we could paint the clearer picture of what a sober
home would be.

Speaker 8 (36:13):
Yeah, good question.

Speaker 11 (36:15):
So once people go to detocs, then they usually fall
out and relapse because they have to wait three months
to get into rehabilitation.

Speaker 8 (36:25):
That's you know, first of all that has to stop.
We have to have on demand detox and on demand rehab.
But once people.

Speaker 11 (36:32):
Get out of rehab, we don't want them going back
to the same environment that they were in. We want
them to be able to be in a sober environment
with other sober people because addiction thrives in community. So
the sober homes that are working in Alberta their long
term at least two years, which gives the brain lots
of time to repair.

Speaker 8 (36:53):
People turn time.

Speaker 11 (36:54):
To get back to work, to be able to do training,
to be able to you know. All I had was
for sixty four people and four different demographics, one for men,
one for women, one for women with you know, pre
impost natal, and one for couples in relationships. So it

(37:16):
was actually addressing different groups. And the first thing we
started with was brain diagnostics, which we don't have like
does that person have you know, addiction or do they
have mental illness or do they have both because they
all require different protocols of care, so early diagnostics and
then being able to get the right help. Living in

(37:37):
a sober home without people you know who are doing
drugs around you, it's safe, there's not all these drug
deals and crimes happening, and it's for as long as
they need it for. So it works in Alberta. It's
extremely successful and they have five people to a home there,
so it's you know, it can take many shapes and forms,

(37:59):
but basically it's a long term, sustainable solution that creates
community at pathways to success so people don't relaft. So
instead of getting out of rehab and going back to
the streets or back to your neighborhood and relapsing in
the environment, you go straight into a recovery home.

Speaker 8 (38:17):
So that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
It does a similar to us. They're trying to accomplish
that Vidanova, which is a really good plan that I'm
glad MCP is going to pick up those bills. Inside
your proposal, sir, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (38:29):
That's a fantastic solution at Bevitanova. But the only thing
is they have ten transition homes to people to a home.

Speaker 8 (38:37):
But that's only up to three months or so.

Speaker 11 (38:39):
Well, no, they need people who are getting over recovery
need one year, two years or longer. So that's the difference.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, inside your proposal, what would the staff look like
are we talking about? For instance, psychiatric nurses are one
of the key staffers in a bunch of sober homes
that I've looked at, but of course, we don't even
acknowledge educate nurses and nor have them on staff here
in this province, which is ridiculous. So is it that
type of professional or clinical social workers or who would
be the people staffing up these homes in your proposal?

Speaker 11 (39:10):
We did we in my proposal, we had room there
for you know, professional psychiatrists, psychologists, psychiatric nurse as well
as someone to administer any other medications that people might
be on. And you know, we also had recovery coaches.
So those recovery coaches, which are basically the basis.

Speaker 8 (39:32):
Of it all.

Speaker 11 (39:33):
They're helping people say, okay, well you're working on your resume,
getting back to work. Let's and it's not it's peer led,
So it's not we're going to provide you with every solution.
It's we're going to empower you to empower yourself and
getting back to life and being self sustainable. So recovery
coaches are not there to fix everything, which I think

(39:54):
is part of what's wrong with all of our system.
It's there to empower people to empower themselves. And we
had forty different programs in my proposal which would address
you know, emotional intelligence, you know, personal development, accountability, responsibility,
all these different programs mind, body, and spirit that would

(40:16):
enhance someone's you know, experience and level of understanding to
be able to move forward and succeed whatever that was.
We've built, for example, a recovery magazine. If someone wanted
to learn the skills of what it would be like
to learn everything you want to know about the digital world, Well,
if you work in a recovery magazine that's your area

(40:39):
of interest, then you could learn everything you wanted from
video to writing to everything in that magazine. So that's
a skills development solution. Or if you wanted, you know,
if you were hands on, you want to do construction,
we could get you into organic farming or construction to
facilitating people's success pathway and not companies like you know,

(41:02):
working with other companies, construction companies that everybody's doing drugs like,
which is you know, so prevalent in the roofing industry especially,
it has to be organizations where their commitment is to
sobriety as well.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
I appreciate them.

Speaker 8 (41:18):
Taking out those companies. Yeah, I can I say something
quickly quickly.

Speaker 11 (41:25):
We do have the first sober recovery home has opened
up in Mount Pearl.

Speaker 8 (41:32):
That's our good news.

Speaker 11 (41:33):
We did that with an independent investor and so we're
we actually have an opportunity for three people who are
interested in a sober home to get in touch with
me and to be able to talk about the possibility
of them living there.

Speaker 8 (41:49):
And the rally. The rally is happening province wise.

Speaker 11 (41:53):
It's on September eleventh, from twelve until two in your
respective areas. We have people mobilizing from Happy Valley, Goose Bay,
New West Sally, Grandfa's, Windsor, Claaren Milt Cornerbrook Bay, Saint George, Placentia, Portabat,
Mary Towns, Northern Peninsula, and Saint John's. These are groups

(42:14):
concerned citizens across the province that will be gathering that
day and saying we want sustainable solutions on demand, detox
on demand, we have sober living homes and we want
the drugs out of our province.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I appreciate the time, Tina, thank you.

Speaker 8 (42:28):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Biddy, bye bye. All right, let's get a break and
don't go away. Welcome back to the show. Let's go
to line number two. Good morning call, ear are on
the air.

Speaker 13 (42:36):
I'm calling today about my husband. He has been waiting
now for about six months for a die test, and
he's been told that he may have to wait another
six months actually till next spring. He's fifty seven years old.

(42:59):
He started fear having heart issues. He had a stress
test because there wasn't really feeling well. When he had
the stress test, he ended up having to have to
stay in hospital for a week because it was very severe.
The results of the stress test were not good, and

(43:20):
he had a doll test within like five days at
that time, and he had one hundred percent blockage in
his one of his main arteries. So if he wasn't
caught right away, he you know, he may have been
a much worse trouble. So he had a follow up

(43:41):
stress test this past February. He had his doll test
like he had his stints and everything was pretty good.
So we had to follow up stress tests last February
this past February and something showed up again. It wasn't
as severe, but he did want him to have His

(44:02):
doctor wanted him to have another die test. His doctor
did tell him this was an internist told him it
would be two to three months before he would get
his breath test, which was at the time, it was okay.
So since February now he's been waiting. He's called in

(44:23):
a few times and he's actually been told that he
has to wait until next spring to get a die test.
So he's fifty seven years old. He has a crazy
family history of heart disease. His dad died age fifty seven.
All of his three brothers have had open heart surgery.

(44:48):
One of these brothers, who's in Ontario, actually had issues
starting in his boarding his mom and dad. Like I said,
his dad died of fifty seven with heart issues, and
his mom also had heart issues and had bypassed durtary.
So he's at very, very high risk. He has called

(45:14):
he has called his story the Premier's office, and he's
called the health minister. He did get to speak to
two people. They said someone would get back to him.
Nobody has got back to him on either occasion. This
has been a span now of at least a month

(45:36):
since he's started making those calls, and he's heard from nobody.
It was very, very concerning, very concerning.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
No doubt. You know, I guess, like most things in
the healthcare system, it's a matter of being triaged. There
was an example I'm going to think it was between
twenty twenty one and the late twenty one and into
twenty three where someone who I know waited eight teen months,
eighteen months to get a eye test, yeah, which I
also find interesting or alarming, whatever the right word is.

(46:07):
When we built a new hospital out in Cornerbrook, we
didn't include a cath lab. You know, there was all
this arguments about the radiology and all that kind of
stuff when the only dye test lab, the only catholorization
lab in the province is in Saint John's. So there's
no wonder there's a massive backlog of people waiting to
get it. And I suppose it is a triage issue.

(46:28):
But with family history as you describe and what they've
already found as you described, you would think that an
additional six months is a risk.

Speaker 13 (46:38):
Absolutely, And it's interesting you say, Patty, that you know
the triage method. So my husband kind of feels like
he's almost being I don't know if using the right
word here, but it's almost like he's being I can't

(47:00):
even come up with the word now, sorry, but he's
he feels like because he was told by his internal set,
because he's not he doesn't have other high risk factors.
For example, he doesn't have high blood pressure, he's not
a smoker, he's not overweight, he's in pretty good health.
It's almost like he's being you know what I'm trying

(47:22):
to say, head kay, discouraged against or discriminated against. I
guess I could use that word because he's in good health.
But you know, he's only fifty seven. He's still working,
he's trying to work. Some of the work he does
is strenuous work, and that's when he finds that the
worst is when he's doing like any heavy lifting or

(47:45):
strenuous work. But his doctor says, you know, if he
had all kinds of other risk factors and he wasn't
in good shape, then he would get in faster. But
how is that really fair when he's been taking good
care of himself, that I discriminate against anybody who has
any type of health issues. There's all different kinds of

(48:06):
reasons for health issues.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
I understand. Let me put this to you, and it's
not necessarily about you or your husband's specifically, but it's
the whole concept of getting return calls. I think politicians
should respond as quick as possible to every concern approach,
but At the same time, do you think it's a
problem if politicians have any sway over operational, day to
day operations in the healthcare system, because then it basically

(48:30):
it would boil down to who you know, Like I
might be able to get a die test quicker than
Dave Williams. I might be able to get one quicker
than your husband, simply because someone I might know someone
had hired the highest level of government. When I think
that's a problem, what do you think? Same thing when
people try to get them involved in workers' compensation. Boy,
getting politicians on individual cases in healthcare might set us

(48:51):
up for a disaster. What do you think? And look,
I feel terrible for your husband and waiting as long.
It's got to be extremely worrisome for you and him
as you go to bed every night.

Speaker 13 (48:59):
I think, yeah, you know, we listen, let's face it,
we don't want him to drop dead. Of course, he's
fifty seven years old. He loves life, you know. And
the other thing is that in the province of Ontario,
for example, his brother he got in to have a
die test in six weeks. Like it's insane the amount

(49:21):
of difference. Now, I know, you can't compare our healthcare
system to Ontario. But you know, we've been doing these
benchmarks and stuff, and you know the outcomes of those
are looking good with regards to a cardiac bypass surgery.
You know, the wait times are down. You know, I've
done like a little bit of research on that. But however,

(49:42):
what about the diagnostics that get you to that point.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, you know, just because of the time on the
clock at ten or three and a half, I'm extremely
late for the news. But I wish you and your
husband well. And hopefully that die test happened sooner than
six months down the road. What'sh and well for sure?

Speaker 13 (49:59):
And if politicians are listening, you know, not just politicians,
health you know, healthcare people. Please just even return his call,
that would be helpful.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Thank you very much for your time. I wish you well.
I think there you go, Bye bye, all right, just
get a break and took away. Welcome back to the show.
So we got the briefing coming up here shortly. But
Gary called about a bulk carrier that had run aground
in Saint Lawrence and so someone thankfully sent this along
and really appreciate it. So it's a federal something called

(50:31):
the Damasca ran aground near Verses Quebec around five point
forty five a m. On the twelfth of August. Says
the ship generally is a carrying sugar and the coast
guard says the low water levels in the river don't
appear to have played a role in the grounding. However,
authority say they're working with the ship's owner to come
up with a refloating plan that could take anywhere from

(50:52):
several hours to several days. So that's a news clip
from the twelfth of this month. All right, So, as
mentioned that ten point fifteen, we will, yes, at ten fifteen,
we will indeed take the press conference live for our
Premier Hogan, and I'm not sure exactly who else is
joining them. I think it's Minister Haggey at least. So
let's get our ten to fifteen break in here. Now.

(51:12):
Please stay tuned to the program because after we hear
from the representatives at the press conference, will be plenty
show left for you, So please don't go away. Welcome
back to the program. Well, it was intimated in an
email that I must feel quite silly when I talk
about the smoking conditions here in town. Not really so,
like I said right off, the top. I don't. I

(51:35):
know full well that what we're dealing with here in
the city, in so far as the air quality and
smoking conditions pales in comparison to the evacuees, what they've
experienced pales in comparison to the voluntaire firefighters, pales in
comparison to those who are in close proximity to the fires,
much different than we are. It's simply worth a mention

(51:55):
given the fact that you know, some people here who
have not had to deal with any of these conditions
have probably been a little bit oblivious to what type
of risk it may pose. The only reason we bring
it up is because it's the fact of the matter,
and I fully and freely acknowledge that it is certainly
nowhere near the circumstances that people are talking about that
are living and working closer to the fires, and especially

(52:17):
those who've been evacuated. Some we're getting the fire in
the North Shore have been out for weeks now, approaching
three weeks. So that's where I think the conversation gets
spurred along, based on things like money to cover evacuees incidentals.
But of course it's not an incidental if you've been in,
for instance, a for instance, a hotel room for coming

(52:37):
up on three weeks. Not everybody has the luxury to
know somebody belong to them, friends or family that can
put them up. And whether or not some of the
accommodations found by the Canadian Red Cross or the Salvation
Army are adequate. I'll leave that up to you. So
when we do get this update here today, it would
be nice. I'm sorry, Dave, do you have something for me?

(53:00):
I thought someone would come in the actual studio here,
So I guess we have Rick from the News from
joining us as well, Richard Doug and I should say, Richard,
welcome to the show. That's Brian Patty. Oh we got Brian,
Brian Madore. Sorry about that. I can't see anybody because
no one came in the studio. No worries, Okay, so Brian.
There's still lots of details about very specific things like
I continue to field emails and calls about can I

(53:22):
use my lawnmower? Can I use my chainsaw? Do you
think it would be helpful if there was a detailed,
itemized checklist available.

Speaker 14 (53:29):
Yeah, And we do take calls to that effect quite often,
and as long as there are no advisories, you know,
against using the lawnmower, but there is obviously concerned, Well
what about a spark from the lawnmower? Can I is
Z that gonna do some you know, pretty terrible things. Possibly, yes,
but now there are no extraneous advisories to that effect.

(53:50):
Is what we is what we tell everyone, and we're
almost ready for that news conference Patty. The players are
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Speaker 13 (01:08:16):
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Speaker 15 (01:08:30):
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Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Welcome back to the show. So apparently major technical issue
there with us trying to bring you the press conference.
It was being broadcast out over our digital platforms, but
apparently over traditional radio there was no sound. My apologies.
I'm not exactly sure what went on, but we will
try to make sure that doesn't happen into the future.
But I apologize for that dead air and welcome back

(01:09:48):
to the program. We will indeed try once again for
the newsroom to fill in some of those blanks for
folks who are listening on the radio that did not
get to hear Premier Hogan or any other representative from
the government. Let's keep here. Let's go to LAT number
one to say good morning to a gentleman who's running
to be the War two councilor here in the city
of Saint John's and the upcoming municipal election. That's Blair Trainer.
Good morning, Blair, you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Hey, hey, good morning.

Speaker 8 (01:10:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
I was on the line and then and then it
came off because that was going to announce. But no
need to apologize. But it's not your fault. Sometimes technical
difficulties they just happened.

Speaker 8 (01:10:23):
You know, they do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Yeah, I think there's six thousand one stat There was
a bit staggering. I mean, here was six thousand. Over
six thousand people have been evacuated and that's counting like
paradise in the areas up in Kingston. So that's a
pretty staggering stat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
So it really is, which is why you know, I
kind of didn't even know if I should talk about
Smoky conditions where I live, when over six thousand people
are not even in their own home. Many of those
don't even know if they're home their home is still standing.
So it's a scary time for a lot of folks.
And I completely understand, Blair. Appreciate your patients, and welcome
back to the show. Anything else on the fires before

(01:11:03):
we move into your candidacy, No, So first I.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Want to say that this rain is top shelf. I'm
using your quote top shelf, and I just want to
quickly introduce myself and then and then I can talk
about my platform quickly. I just want to say like
three things before I get going. Somebody names Blair Trainer
and I'm the War two candidate for October second municchool election.

(01:11:31):
Born and raised in Saint John's New Flynn, and I
currently reside in War two West. So yeah, so I
just want to start off and say that, like your
show is like a real genuine show and I try
to do that like as as an individual every day

(01:11:53):
in my workspace and when I go knocking on doors,
and what your show does is it brings like the
issues at hand, and it also brings like joy and humor.
There was this Feller that used to always sign off
and he used to always say yeah, but ab a,
do you know? And every time I used to hear him,

(01:12:14):
he would just bring this like smile to my face.

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
And the second thing is I'm a person of faith. Well,
this is the first time I guess I've done an
interview since my sleep at one twenty days. So my
heart is racing a little bit. I'm nervous and excited,
but I guess that just comes with it. So it's
the first time since doing press since I guess twenty sixteen.

(01:12:42):
But I'm a person of faith, and my heart is
with the volunteers and with the first responders of Kingston
and the surrounding areas because we're one big municipality when
you really think about it. I know Saint John's is
the biggest, but we're all municipalities and we're all in

(01:13:03):
this together, and so I just want to say that.
And it's been amazing knocking on the doors. In War two.
There was one day I braved I just recently bought
a hat because the heat was like thirty degrees and
I was advised by a hat, but I didn't want

(01:13:23):
to because I want people to see my full face.
But it was thirty degrees one day and we ran
out of water and we were on it was Cabbage Street,
and there was just loving the couple that gave us
like three bottles of water, cold water, and like kept
us going for the next few days. And I just
love War two because I think the highest civic participation

(01:13:46):
in all the city. I think we got up words
between five d eight candidates for War two. It doesn't
I don't know if it's going to work out for me,
but I'm happy that there's democracy happening and civic participations
happening and no voter apathy happening in War two. I'm
super happy also that the mayor is getting an opposition

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this year, and I really really really hope that someone
in Saint John's will provide opposition for the deputy mayor
because I really believe that no seat in a city
of one hundred over one hundred thousand people should go acclaimed.

(01:14:31):
I think that's ridiculous, and I think it's so important
for people to participate politically in their city. And I
really really hope that no seats go go acclaimed because
I believe in the last election we had at least two.
I'm not sure if it was three, but I hope

(01:14:52):
the deputy mayor has some sort of opposition. So that's
my three things. So I'm ready to talk about my platform.
If you have any questions for me, you can certainly
certainly ask.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
I have a couple so you know, I did receive
your candidacy announcement email today and talking about talking about
issues like safety in housing and tax savings, accessibility, health
and wellnesses, sustainability. But your background as a youth counselor
working for nl Health Services. Because as much as the
youth will not get to vote this go around, as

(01:15:25):
much as they don't have a similar stake as I
do today, they will tomorrow. So your background as a
youth counselor, what do you think that brings to your
candidacy If we're talking about even things like health and wellness.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Well, we're all young at one point, Patty. I remember
one day, I remember I made a at a dinner
party and I made a comment. You remember when our
grandparents would say there's something cost a nickel or something
cast of don you know tech type the pain and
I was kind of like referencing the youth of the

(01:16:01):
older generations, and then I kind of made a joke
and I was like, remember last week when we used
to get two chocolate bars for a dollars fifty and
now it's like five dollars. So yes, my work has
been with youth. However, I volunteered with the elderly with
my late Bruno with V eighteen, who's an awesome tag.

(01:16:22):
We used to go to senior homes. It's a dog
therapy program. I also organized a faith and housing committee
where we helped a couple age in place. And I
think that's like a super important issue with youth, like
comes a lot of energy, and you know, it doesn't
matter what your age is. I think it really matters

(01:16:44):
your mindset. So like I'm forty, so I'm a bit older,
but I still have a youthful energy. And what I
mean by youthful energy is like that we're willing to
have conversations and we're still curious and we want to
problem solve and we want to figure stuff out. So

(01:17:05):
I do think that that's what I bring to the
table because I'm really fact based and I'm all about
working with people who are over minded and to not
really focus on ideology unless it works, but to really
be concrete in what we're trying to do to help
the people of Ward two. So that's my I guess

(01:17:28):
long way to answer that question.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Fair enough, Claire, I do have to get running, but
congratulations on throwing your hat into the ring, and I
wish you good luck out there, so is Patty.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Could I please just just name a couple of things
about my platform.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Very quickly, very quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Sure, So I just want to just name one. So
with safety, I do think that the R and C
foot patrol could be beneficial for downtown Saint John's and
trying to restructure our patch city housing. We have four
emergency shelters and one score kilometer. We're focusing on a

(01:18:06):
managing homelessness perspective instead of ending homelessness perspective, and from
a sustainability perspective. We need to protect our wetlands because
we're the east is supposed to get flooding, not fires.
But I will promise to provide at least twenty educational
sessions within the ward during my four years to help

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prepare people for evacuations and also to maintain that the
city of Saint John's lives up to their five hundred
and at least five hundred and seventy thousand dollars reduction
in when it comes to sustainable buildings and make sure
that they renovate their buildings. And for us to advocate

(01:18:50):
for green maintenance workers because right now we have to
fly people into our province to maintain our great infrastructure.
And thank you so much for having me onppreciate it.
If anyone wants to reach out to me, it's both later, Docia,
thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
You're welcome. Blair, good luck, take care by you too,
Bye bye very quick. You mentioned housing. One of the
things I didn't mention when we talked about the economic
update that was delivered yesterday by Minister Cody is the
rist positive news on the housing starts. So they're looking
at a twenty percent increase in twenty twenty five two
thousand and six units reported so far. Now, of course,
we're a long way from the end of the year.

(01:19:24):
And remember some of the aspirational numbers about how many
homes would have to be built in this problems over
the course of the next five years, sixty thousand. That's
not going to get it. Let's take a break, don't
go away welcome back to the show. Let's go to
line number two. Morning Verna around the air.

Speaker 10 (01:19:38):
Heany Kattie, just calling to give a bouquet to the
staff and management of the Tana Wabana for the excellent
work day done and to help to restore our water day,
work day and night July. And I wish we had
more hard working people as them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Yeah, good on them. I mean, which there's always going
to be some issues regarding Bell Island, your home and
when we talk about the fairy and what have you.
But I've also heard from other residents about getting the
water back online and finally bringing the gas station deal
to a head. So some good things on top of
some of the concerns that you and I talk about.

Speaker 10 (01:20:19):
And but we always get this spot our legionnaire. We
were told the week of the eleventh it was due
to return. Then we said no to twenty fifth. Now
we get notification today to twenty ninth. No explanation why hell,

(01:20:42):
Like you know, the people deserve to know. But if
anybody is interested in finding it with any information, they
can call all Steve's power, who is the act in
adm or Elvis Loveless and Steve's number is seven o
nine were one sixty six four or five. We were
also told sorry bout that that the reason that is

(01:21:08):
coming late for the Legionere coming back is because we
had the ferry because of our when we were having
the work done on our road in regard to the paving,
and we had the boat longer.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
The boat wasn't schedule.

Speaker 10 (01:21:26):
The Legionaire wasn't scheduled to go to refit until January.
It left here before January because certificates on the boat
were up. They had to get it at of here
and get it on two three dock for the refit.
So the stories that they actually say and the people

(01:21:47):
they blame its wrong fingers are being pointed the wrong way.
And we deserve, as the people of Bell Island, the
tourist of Bell of Newfoundland and the both that are
being serviced by this service or lack of this service,
deserve to have answers, and they should be about faith

(01:22:07):
putting it on on a daily basis on the news,
the same as if there's a road that's there, and
what other repercussions are happening. Our solutions they have come
up with, we never get this. As far as I'm
part of the User Committee and our information that we
get is next to none, and in regards to it,

(01:22:30):
we're going backwards. We were making progress when Fred Horton
was the department manager, but unfortunately he's not there anymore.
Now we have mister Lovelace and so everything that we
went forward with is gone back.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Why was the lead out Vernon? Why was the Leadionaire out?
Just remind me.

Speaker 10 (01:22:53):
It had had the engines done, so, it had had
the systems putting, new systems put it even though it
needed it was recommended because they did it to the veteran,
it should be done to the legionaire. We didn't have
the issues the veteran had, but because somebody recommended, they
to say that's six million plus, let's spend it. So

(01:23:16):
does that make sense to you?

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Well, no, we shouldn't be spending for the sake of spending,
period on anything at the government level, whether the end
of year budgets and various departments are on the ferries,
whatever the case may be. So I assume, and that's
a dangerous thing to do in this world. But I
guess the Legionary remains out until the twenty ninth because
of the issues trying to in state the new programs

(01:23:38):
and replace whatever in the engine. I guess right, I
don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:23:42):
If you go down in Saint John's in the harbor,
you will see it's sitting there. It's a disgrace. There
has not been an ounce of paint put on it.
This is a major refit. It's been gone since before January.

Speaker 5 (01:23:56):
And this is what August.

Speaker 10 (01:23:58):
Yes it is, and I wish somebody from THEOCM would
go down, take a picture and put it on your
site to what is going to come.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Back to Bellas.

Speaker 10 (01:24:11):
And that's on the outside. I don't know what it
looks like on the inside. But they have January, February, March, April, May, June, July,
August eight months and they still have no answers to
why this boat is not back. And I mean we've
been down to this tube small boat or I should
say most times one small boat and oh we don't

(01:24:33):
really have problems. People just like to complain. And that's
my rank for the day.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Patty, accept your rat for the day. Verna, you have
a great one. The same to you. Bye bye. I
think you know the fairy users and look send me
the emails I said they should leave I hear the
same thing I hear all the time. I don't think
it's as fundamentally simple as that, but how the marine
fleet gets managed and the time for scheduled refits what

(01:25:04):
have you? Look, if things pop up mechanically on any
of the vessels, whether be the Legionaire of the Veteran
or any other boat servicing the islands off the coast
of the big island of Newfouland, you know, does it
need to be at this busy time of year. Look
if something happens, and we know that you can't avoid
mechanical issues, regardless we're talking about ferry or your own

(01:25:25):
personal vehicle. Things happen. But it's the scheduled refits that
I think people justifiably you're asking, is this really the
best time here to be doing this stuff? I mean,
there's no more pressure, whether it be vehicle or commercial
travel and or tourists going to Bell Island or Fogo
or Change Islands, or whatever the case we be then
right now, So when people ask that question out loud,

(01:25:47):
I completely understand where they're coming from. Just to reatter
right now that I can speak to everybody as opposed
to apply to all the emails with whatever we may
have missed with the inability to get the press conference
out over the radio airwaves, even though it was going
out over our digital platforms, and I could hear it
here in the studio, So it took me a few
minutes as I walked to the bathroom to realize it

(01:26:07):
wasn't playing in the hallway here. So whatever we did
miss and once again, I'm sorry for that happening. We
will try to make sure that all of that information
is compiled by the newsroom. And they've done a great
job covering the wildfires and a great job doing the
updates as per some of the government announcements in those
types of press conferences. So we'll do what we can
to make sure that you didn't miss anything, even though

(01:26:30):
it's something that we're going to have to work out
because we're going to tradge why I would imagine carry
these press conferences into the future. You know, I did
hear something from the premium. It was yesterday and again today,
and I hope this is true, and hopefully it's not
just cock eyede optimism. Is it does feel like we're
turning a corner in a positive direction. Those who are
fighting the fires, the weather cooperating a little bit more,

(01:26:52):
hopefully a bit more of the type of rain that
we've experienced here in the city this morning is apparent
in other parts of the province, especially parts of the
province that are burning today. And we'll continue like we
have what we have in so far as resources go,
whether it be with the water bombers and the helicopters
and every other piece of infrastructure or equipment, and there's
no change in that right this minute, but into the future.

(01:27:14):
I don't think it makes anybody a bad person to
think about preparing for next wildfire season with additional capacity.
And we can go through that list, which is needn't
be fully reliant on a water bomber for the same
for instance, people in my age, that's our go to thing,
that's what we think is the most important piece of
equipment in fighting a wildfire. And of course it is
critically important to be able to have a water scoop

(01:27:36):
or like the CL four fifteen fighting these fires. But
when we talk about costs and efficiency and a full
complement of tools and said toolbox, we will try to
continue to follow what's going on in British Columbia with
the testing of the thunder Wasp drone which can carry
up to four in the kilograms, which is not an
enormous amount of water, but it takes human beings out
of the close proximity two fire that can't be helpful.

(01:27:59):
We're also going to follow up with the parent company
at Cougar to talk about what the fire Raptor helicopter
can do, just so we all have a better understanding
of it doesn't simply have to be water bomber or
now or no more water bombers. And yes, Dablin has
a seventeen million dollar contract to repair the fifth water
bomber that was damaged as fire back as twenty eighteen.
That's a good thing, but that will be back to

(01:28:20):
twenty six twenty seven, so that's not going to be
part of next year's fire season. All right, Let's gohea
and take a break for the news. When we come back,
still tons of time for you. Don't go away. You
were listening to a rebroadcast VOCM Open Line.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Welcome back. Let's go to line number two. Good morning, Bernadette,
you're on the air.

Speaker 8 (01:28:50):
Oh yes, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 17 (01:28:52):
I'm wondering if any if you're listening audience might have
a hospital bit that I could get. My husband has
ongoing medical problems and I've been trying to get one
for a while and I'm not having much luck with us.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
So are you looking for the loan of a hospital
bed or you want to rent or lease one, or
what are you looking for? In particular, Burnaday, I would
take a loan of one.

Speaker 8 (01:29:13):
I would rent one, I would lease one.

Speaker 17 (01:29:16):
I don't care as.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Long as I get one, Okay. I have a couple
of suggestions for you. Eastern Medical Supplies is somewhere that
I would call. They're a military road here in the
city of Saint John's. Where are you in the province?
Spaniards Bay, Spaniards Bay, So call Eastern Medical Supplies to
see what kind of arrangements you can make with them,
And for anybody else listening, whether it be at the Harbor,
the Canadian Red Cross, or what have you. If someone

(01:29:39):
knows about a hospital bed that's available, let's try to
connect Burnerdad and her husband with it. So make that
called the Eastern Medical Supply, and we'll hope that the
listeners also chime in here.

Speaker 8 (01:29:49):
Okay, thank you very much.

Speaker 17 (01:29:51):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
You're welcome. Keep me in the loop. Let me know
how you make out.

Speaker 8 (01:29:55):
Okay, bye bye by there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
All right, So I do know that they have beds
at Eastern Medical Supply. What they can what kind of
arrangement can be made for a lease and or short
term loan. Canadian Red Cross has a variety of medical
supplies available in equipment, but I don't think that includes
beds necessarily. They have the walk or some bat seats
and benches and commodes and those types of things. Let's
keep pro here to go to lighte number three, say,

(01:30:18):
going to the Word Force councilor here in the city
Saint John's. That's Tom Davis. Tommy are on the air.
Good morning, Patty, Morning to you.

Speaker 5 (01:30:27):
A couple of city related topics. Start with I got
to call from a resident regarding Pennywell Road that apparently
got some muddy water. So just let people know they
are doing some work up there. I'm still trying to
get to the bottom of why resident Sport notified, but
just everybody knows what's on going, still waiting for callback
as to the cause. Also wanted to again, you know,

(01:30:52):
thank all the people fighting these fires, in particular Patties
con this time last week and you and I were talking,
it was much dire, much more in higher situation than
it is now. And I know the people out the
CB inner still face and eyes into it, so our
gods prayers are with them. Obviously, we just got noticed

(01:31:12):
from Saint John's Regional that the city will be sending
out one of our trucks every day it out go
out there and help show of.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Rolling it together.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
And I know every bit of resources out there helps
see when it comes to, you know, going door to
door and dealing with hotspots and hopefully saving homes in
real life out there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Absolutely, so it is not really necessarily analogous, but it
reminds me of things like the big snowstorm that people
call Snowmageddon. Is just for all the different municipalities when
it comes to either of sharing services to fight wildfire's
weather comes to responding to big weather events like Snowmageddon,
is to have a comprehensive list of while each municipal

(01:32:00):
has and shared them with each other and also for
the private sector with that type of equipment, that can
be very helpful and was helpful in trying to clean
the place up. I don't know if that was a
consequential part of the post mortem after that storm and
what it's going to look like after these wildfires that
are in our rear view era, but that would be
helpful because it does really go to out of the
cliches of every minut accounts, so to know where you

(01:32:22):
can turn for whether it be a loader or a
plow in the private sector, of public sector or whatever
services for the wildfires. Those types of lists be shared
amongst different municipalities, I think would be really helpful.

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
You know, the first time I ever recalled was actually
during that January twenty twenty snowstorm, and that was it
just didn't make any sense to me that the that
the mall parking lots were open and were cleared and
there retractors just sitting there and you know, obviously all
the heavy equipment in this in the northeast Bavalon was

(01:32:56):
parked and there were people volunteering to help, and we're
reading were really tacked into that until you know, weeks
into it and I have asked about that, and it
really doesn't seem to be something that on a municipal
level that we really want to take on. So, you know,
just to take the hat off, the city hat off,
because I pushed on this pretty hard and I get

(01:33:17):
pushed back on it pretty hard. Actually, I think there's
a role there for the province to connect those dots
to exactly what you just said, what is the inventory,
how do you have that provincial regional coordination, and how
can it move at the speed that it needs to move,

(01:33:37):
you know, specifically for me Thursday evening Thursday, I had
an employee who was in it was in distress. You know,
she actually had pneumonia untreated as a child and to
collapse long and so she was really susceptible to the
wildfire smoke and she went home, she went to the
hospital from work and I talked to her at one

(01:33:58):
point and she's in the emergency and nobody was going in,
nobody was going out, just because again the healthcare had
had not ground to a halt, but really with the
evacuation notices and people basically being told that you know,
if they went they needed to go home, or if
they went home. They you know, they if they left
and went to work, they might not be able to

(01:34:21):
get back to their home to get their you know,
important papers, or their pets or you know, whatever their
affairs that they'd be concerned about. And at the time,
I thought, well, at this point, they'd stabilized the patty's
on fire. And I wondered how much how much the
impacts of elective surgeries and day surgeries, and really day

(01:34:41):
surgeries sounds like a pretty innocuous thing when we say
it out loud, but the reality is that a lot
of surgeries nowadays are day surgeries. And you know, was
that facted in the fact that the healthcare people, through
the snowfault of their rome, were basically advised, you know,
to go home and stay there. And it wasn't until
Saturday that that was lifted. And you know, my business,

(01:35:02):
which is pretty pretty adjacent to it, was allowed to
be open Friday.

Speaker 8 (01:35:07):
So I wondered, you know, was there.

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
Enough connection of dots between the impacts of the evacuation
notices and the impacts on our healthcare In other words,
did someone say, well, because we're not doing these surgeries,
because emergency is slowed down because people are just not
getting the care that they would normally have. How many
people were potentially dying or suffering needlessly and over the

(01:35:31):
long term, as we saw with COVID, when you know,
days do matter when you have an appoint appointment postpone
that doesn't pick up that tumor or doesn't relieve that significant.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Challenge that you have.

Speaker 5 (01:35:43):
And I wondered, you know how quickly and I sent
a message up the line, and you know it was
a knowledge, But you know, I really think there's that
disconnect of and in healthcare. It's probably really probly very
acute because in order to sleep at night people who
run the healthcare, maybe they wouldn't be healthy for them

(01:36:03):
to really care about everybody as much as we'd like
them to care about them when they're making these decisions.
But ours matter, minutes matter, you know, life, death off
You're getting a lot of calls. Yesterday you had a
gentleman whose wife had passed away on the West coast
and you know, you know, pointing out very very relevant
systemic issues in the hospital in Port of Basque. And

(01:36:27):
then you know there was a gentleman also called and
gave an up gay and his son because the doctor
just didn't show up to do a surgery for a
while ago. He had to go to Halifax for his
child to get surgery. And I just I don't know
how we get back to the point where I guess
we're functioned our public services, and I'd argue maybe even
a lot of our private sector services are really connected

(01:36:51):
as much to what their role insiety is versus.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Where we are.

Speaker 5 (01:36:57):
And so, you know, I, you know, I just all
I did on Thursday was think about how afraid my
employee was because she couldn't breathe, she wasn't getting oxygen,
she was sitting in an emergency room. And I thought,
that is being played out right across the Northeast Avalon,
right across the whole Avon, and so realistically, and how

(01:37:19):
quickly were they moving.

Speaker 8 (01:37:20):
To relieve that?

Speaker 5 (01:37:22):
And I'm not so sure they really were moving as
quickly as they should have been morally ethically. And you know,
I just I want to point it out because I
feel like we saw in snow them again or the
January snow event or what we want to call it,
and we saw it in COVID. We started getting Actually
it's a little glimpse as to how collectively, we're looking

(01:37:47):
after each other, and when you hear the real stories
of people who are living it, it's heartbreaking. But it
also I don't know, the gentleman called for people to
go basically go outside hospitals, you know, protest. We shouldn't
have to really should be literally everyone's responsibility.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Sure, before I have to get going, did you want
to talk about the economic uptate yesterday?

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
I do, just very very quickly, because it was kind
of thrown in the midst of all this chaos that
we're in, you know, and to point out to people
at the time when that when the budget was done,
you know, they talked about being a three hundred and
seventy two million dollar budget. Now it's twice deficits. Sorry,
now it's twice as much of that. The numbers they
used at the time, and I spoke about it, they

(01:38:33):
weren't realistic as far as what the oil prices were
going to be, just given the situation. And then on
top of that, the fact that they built into their
numbers the four hundred million dollar tobacco settlement, so really
the deficit is over a billion dollars, and the fact
that they would even mention the wildfires is the reason
for it. Of course, you know, if you readdown through
the subsequent stuff, they acknowledged that it had nothing to

(01:38:54):
do with the wildfires because the money that's being spent
on the wildfires is not in that deficit, you know,
borring four point one billion dollars to keep the lights
on in this province. I don't know what kind of
leadership it's going to take for people to acknowledge, to
say out loud that we don't have a sustainable functioning

(01:39:16):
government spending in this province. My spreadsheet, I haven't I
don't have the numbers updated yet, but over forty three
billion dollars is the debt when you're take an account
the boards now core rent government, deferred liabilities for pensions
and different things within the province, and we just we

(01:39:36):
don't have leadership who you know. I remember when when
when Andrew Fier got elected, for one of the first
press convers you talked about how many buildings we had
and how it was crazy how many buildings. And then
he did the he called for the Premium's Economic Recovery Team.
And now if you look at just lease after lease
after lease between horizons one oh one out in Steve
Anger drive the old Costco building. You know, you know,

(01:39:59):
all these different buildings, all these different leases, all build
public private partnerships. You know, it's just the wheels are
off when it comes to spinning in this province, and
we can spin it all around. I know a lot
of people just don't care to just thinking about their
little world, but it really does matter. It's a third
interest rate, interest expenses at our third largest expense in

(01:40:19):
this province. I just you know, it does matter. Call
out the people when they knock on your door in
October or September. Whenever they're knocking, you know, what are
you going to do to get our province sustainable for
the future. Anyway, listen, everyone, take care and God bless
the people in ce Men.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Thanks to all Right, there we goes Tom Davis. Word
for counselor. Let's get a break in. Let me go back.
We're talking Crown lines and the economic update that was
off for yesterday by Minister Cody. Don't go away, welcome
back to the show. Let's go to line number five.
Good morning, Kevin. You're on the air all right today, Betty.
That's kind how about you?

Speaker 7 (01:40:51):
Oh not bad little disgusted about the update yesterday, the
financial update, wasn't it there? When the body come out,
we were doc and mote how they were overpricing the
barrel of oil by seventy seventy three when it was
only sixty AD And here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Yeah, look, I've been doing this a long time, the
forecast in the price of a barrel of oil. No
one's ever going to hit the sweet spot and get
it one hundred percent right. There's always going to be
a variance available here. But from where I sit, we're
always better served being quite cautious, you know. If we're
trying to, like, for instance, choosing seventy three, I don't

(01:41:31):
know what the right number is, but if you undershoot,
you're always going to be better off the end of
the day. The worst possible thing can be is that
you show a surplus, and a surplus is not a
bad thing. One we haven't experienced in this province for
on off a long time. So if I you know,
I think they deal with nine external agencies to come
up with a price for an annualized average. It's let's say,
for instance, the ranges between I'm just guessing because I

(01:41:53):
don't know seventy bucks and seventy six bucks, and they say, well,
let's go down the middle of choose seventy three. I
would if I was the head of chargery board of
the Minister of Finance, I chose seventy every single time,
because nothing bad can happen. If you happen to come
in that an annual average of seventy four, that's a
good thing. Then you can. Then the consideration is what
you do it?

Speaker 7 (01:42:13):
What about if you go down? That's that's the thing.
I mean. It's if it's sixty five bucks a barrel
and you say, okay, we're budgeting that sixty five dollars
a barrel, no matter what I mean that way, you're
not gambling with the people's money. So you budget it.
If it goes to seventy, well you got all that extra,

(01:42:34):
throw it right on the provincial that God knows we
need to bring it down.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Yeah, I just said I would go I'd lowballer every year.
But I think there's a lot of unpredictable stuff here
when we look at some of the large revenue streams
for the government, like for instance, even in oil. Who's
to say that it's not just the price for barrel.
It's also production things can happen in the offshore producing
fields that slow down or halt production. Look no further
than the sea rows. Then there's also like in the

(01:42:58):
world of minerals, we can have a little bit more
sure fire stance on what we can expect in the
revenue stream from royalties and minerals and those working there,
but it's not one hundred percent, so there's always going
to have to be some guestimates or educated guests, I
should should say, regarding some of these commodities. But we're
never going to hit the target perfectly. So low balling

(01:43:21):
always seems like a better strategy to me.

Speaker 7 (01:43:24):
Oh, without a doubt, sir. I mean, it'll save us
this trouble where we know going in that they're raising
the price is too high and it's going to come
back and by them in the boat. And yet they
still go ahead and do it when the people realize
and no obviously work smarter than they are. But anyway, sir,
that was my little chat there this morning. You take

(01:43:45):
care of have a Google.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
Yeah, thanks sim to you, Kevin, all the best, Bye bye,
and you know, in so far as the borrowing costs
four point one billion dollars. So I've heard Tom another
say that, you know, to acknowledge the fact that the
third most expensive for the third highest line item in
the budget is healthcare, then it's education, and then it's

(01:44:08):
servicing the debt in front of everything else. So for
that not to be top of mind, Look, I guess
I know full well there's a laundry list of wants
and demands from the general public. And look, I'm not
going to insult the listener and insult the public, but
at some point there's a level of petulance in us all.
You know, we want what we want when we wanted,

(01:44:30):
not everybody, but many. The trick here, not to over simplify,
is that we know full well that there is clear
examples across the board of government inefficiencies and government waste.
You know, I know we can't see some sort of
austerity budget come to pass in just one fell swoop

(01:44:51):
next March, because there's lots of problems that can be
created with austerity budgets as well. But it's that carefully
calculated scalpel as oppos a sledgehammer that has to be
involved in looking for ways for us to spend less.
And there are ways, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind.
You know, for starter, there's almost a half a million dollars,
half a billion dollars in the future fund. Let's put

(01:45:13):
that into play, you know, let's have that as using
for some of this debt servicing kind of stuff. I
know it's not going to be, you know, a full
out solution and we're one hundred percent out of the woods,
but there are you know, across the board, and people
kind of laughed. For instance, remember when Kathy Bennett was
the finance minister. You can say she did a good
a bad job. That's completely up to But the exercise

(01:45:35):
then was to even start at the bottom and look
at some of the quote unquote smaller bills that the
government pays and see if there's some savings available there.
I remember distinctly people sending me emails and people calling
the program and mocking the fact that there was an
exercise and looking at things, for instance, like cell phone bills.
If you don't start with the little stuff, then you're

(01:45:57):
probably going to have a very difficult time dealing with
the so called bigger price stag items. So yes, I
mean Tom Davis is one of those hawks on the
borrowing the depsit numbers, but I think we all should
be I mean, no question, the third most expensive thing
in this province outside of healthcare and education, is just
simply servicing the debt, and that doesn't mean paying off

(01:46:19):
one single solitary cent of the principle of over seventeen
billion dollars. That's just to pay the interest on it,
which is a lot to say. Dustinham just purposefully going
hold you for after the news. We have plenty of
time to talk about his issue. This was also a
big conversation for quite a long time is Crown Lands.
Some amendments having made to the legislation governing crown Lands,

(01:46:41):
but it's certainly an absolutely not working like it should.
You know, people opine that government may indeed be using
crown Lands as a so called cash cow. You know,
if documentation be proven and you can't revert back to
nineteen seventy six and squads right a full reinstatement. But
Crown Lands is just way too honors and difficult to
deal with, even when people have satisfied what the government

(01:47:03):
told us, we need to do with all the affidavit's
and all the documentation to prove that the land has
been occupied by X, Y and zat it's simply not working.
Dustin's in the Q to talk Crown Lands. Then we're
speaking with you. Don't away the Tim Power Show.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
Joining the conversation weekday afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number one. Dustin,
you're on the air. How are you this morning? Patty
doing okay? How about you?

Speaker 9 (01:47:30):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
Beside to being stuck in Saskatchewan because they are Canada,
not bad?

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
Oh no, and we don't even really know when flights
will resume yet.

Speaker 10 (01:47:38):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
Yeah, it's pretty sad. But like like you said before
the break, more more pissed off. I emailed you my
little short story about some of the stuff we've been
dealing with with the Crown Lands and specific and say
mine of my fiance's four year tie up with them.
And as you said that there's been somewhat some changes

(01:47:59):
in legislation, may aid and differencing in paperwork and stuff,
but it's obviously not working or doing anything. Not to
get into our case two in specific, But like you said,
the problem I find is that's it's complete radio silence.
Like you stated, as the government even as trying to
use it as.

Speaker 8 (01:48:18):
A cash cow.

Speaker 4 (01:48:18):
But at least I know from our case in specific,
we can't even get any word back from the government
or from the Crown to even be a cash cow.
Like we've waited long enough now that I went to
my MHA who was on the line with you before
about this Craig party, and said, like, can you is
there any way I can get in contact with these people,

(01:48:39):
Like at this point, I'm ready to give you guys money.
I don't want to or feel I deserve to or
need to. With the channels and paperwork and everything we
had in place during our title liing process, but we
just get complete radio silence on the other end, even
coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
Which is infuriating. So you said you'd want to get
too deep into your own own circumstance, but I think
that would be helpful if you don't mind to break
it down a little bit, because it'll be help a
shed a light for others who might be going through
the same thing, or for those who are about to
enter into it, some of the pitfalls they should be
aware of. So if you don't mind just kind of
break down where.

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
We are sure absolutely so, Like like stated some years ago,
me and my fiance bought what we figured would be
our first property to build our first home on in
rural Newfoundland, which is another problem obviously that the government
is facing and should want to fix, as young people
like ourselves don't want to stay in rural Newfoundland, so

(01:49:36):
you think it would be ideal to help try to
alleviate this. We bought half of what was an original
large parcel of land. My actual high school English teacher
bought the other half I imagine a good many years ago,
and he successfully quieted titled his property of land and

(01:49:57):
also faced some trouble with the crown back then out
in his favor. So this original parcel of land now
is one half is claimed. We have our half, which
we're stuck in a title processing trying to claim. And
the original man that sold the land to us, And
to say, the person with the other parcel is alive.

(01:50:20):
It's not like it's a ghost piece of property.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
He's alive. He's made statements.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
He said, you know, we've got the AFFI David's and everything,
like our lawyer says, he's sold it to this person,
how it's gotten to us, and all the paper trail
is in place, and what makes our taste in particularly
difficult is it went to court. Obviously, nobody besides the
Crown contested it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
And how my lawyer.

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
Basically stated it to me was that the judge sat
in the courtroom and said, well, legally there is no
real issue on our end with you guys claim in
this property, but with the gray area that's in this
said legislation from the government the Newfoundland, you guys basically
have to figure it out with the government. You guys
have to get the government to step away. And then

(01:51:08):
it's been countless attempts to reach out to crown lands
or reach out through political priorities to find some way
of even getting the ball rolling. Because I can understand
somewhat of the government's perspective. You don't want Joe Blow
coming in and saying, yep, I own these seven acres
of forest. But when you have all these legitimate things

(01:51:30):
in place and you just sit there for what's been
almost going on four years now and here just radio
silence on the back end, over and over and over again.
It's frustrating. There's no ball that moves.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Yeah, I mean, it sounds a lot like when we
were talking about some of these daycare proposals that were
in front of government and radio silence once again as
opposed to look at the application, understand what they're trying
to achieve, get back to them and say this is
where it's coming up short, this is where we need
more information, as opposed to simply no one knows what's
going on. Same thing with your situation on Crown Lands.

(01:52:05):
If there's something that you have not done to allow
for this transaction to take place, it would be pretty
helpful for you and your fiance to know, because then
you could do something about.

Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
Us one hundred percent if there was, if there was
any form of communication like what feels like should be
an open line to say, hey, okay, it's gone through
the courts, it's gone through the legal process. You guys
have done everything right so far. But here's why we're
at this point, and here's how you fix it, or

(01:52:34):
here's why you have to pay however portion of money.
But like to make a little joke out of it.
At least it blows my mind in a sense that
the Government of newton Land won't even get back to
me trying to say okay, if you guys are stating
that your stances, you own it. Why can I not
settle this by buying it? Or why is there nothing?

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
There's no avenue forward?

Speaker 4 (01:52:59):
What'so And with what I understand is some form of
election coming up in the near fall, how it should
be a much larger talking point for a political party.
There needs to be like the ministers should have to
take a stance and bring this to the public eye
and say, look, there's obviously an issue. We've tried to
solve it, we've failed somewhat miserably in solving it, and

(01:53:23):
here's what our path forward is going.

Speaker 8 (01:53:25):
To try to be.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
Yeah, and that's all people need. I mean, some of
these might be relatively complicated matters legally speaking, there might
be some historical issues that are not fully understood with
some parcels of land. And I agree with you. I mean,
there's got to be the guardrails there so someone, as
you say, Joe Blow, just comes up trying to claim
a massive parcel of the forest with no documentation, no affidavits,

(01:53:49):
That of course is nons incident, should never happen. But
for folks like you and many others, I can tell
you when we were talking about Crown Lands, a lot.
At one point on this show, I was absolutely bombarded
with emails telling me the exact same story or very
similar stories. I should say as to they just can't
get an answer, and that's all you need is an answer.
If the answer is no, then maybe some detail as

(01:54:10):
to why no. And if the answer is yes, but
then what comes after? But or what comes after? If so,
I just for the life we can't understand it. There
is a political victory available here for one party or
another to table what they think. Not the Tories through
playman force. He did put forward a private member's resolution
once that got some debate in some conversation going. But

(01:54:32):
if the government tears all these stories, and they do,
then to be able to do something about it and
put a piece of their platform and say here's how
we're going to make it easier. They said, they told
us a while ago, some months back, here's what's going
to make it easier. But making it easier if it
comes to radio silence, then nothing's been made easier, No,
one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:54:51):
And like I said, reaching it through by lawyer out
of Clarenville. The one of the other more infuriating parts
is basically how he explained the trial went to me,
is that before you submitted this title process, the Crown
Lands didn't know or care or see that they even
own this land. But now, because your young family trying

(01:55:14):
to purchase a piece of property in the rural area
of Newfoundland, we'll take it to the courtroom and make
a one day gray area legislation claim and say, yeah,
this is we had this government didn't know anything about
this piece of property. But you know what, we actually
do own it and we don't want you to have it,
and we're not even willing to let you give us

(01:55:35):
money to have it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Fair enough, Dustin, before I have to get off to
the break, what are you doing in Saskatchewan? Do you
work out there?

Speaker 4 (01:55:43):
Yeah, I'm a construction worker at the Jansen Potash Mine.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
Have you been doing the long distance commod for a
long time? Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (01:55:52):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
Well, hopefully the flights weresumed soon enough so they can
get back home. And I appreciate making time for the
show this morning. Thanks for doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:56:02):
Absolutely, Thank you for having me, Patty. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
Take good care of yourself, stay in touch. Thank you,
You're welcome. Bye bye, man Crown a Lance and in
so far as their Canada tentative deal goes. Look, I
understand the concept of if and when Air Canada has
to pay more to their employees that they're not just
going to swallow it in house. It's going to get

(01:56:26):
passed along to the air travelers, which can include me.
I suppose at sometime into the future, but we'll, you know,
try to take the cheapest flight that satisfies our travel needs.
But it's just the whole concept of what's going on with,
in particular federally regulated industries and negotiating or collective bargaining.

(01:56:47):
You can think one side or the other is right
or wrong one hundred percent and bring your perspective to
the program. But there's a pretty interesting contrast going on here.
The government will curry favor with organized labor inside federally
regulated industries when they pass anti replacement worker legislation. That's
all fine and dandy, and you know, labor organizations across

(01:57:08):
the country were saying this is a really positive thing.
But at the exact same time, Section one oh seven
has been used pretty freely here lately. Look, I get
the economic interruption with rail strikes and strikes at the ports,
and it comes at absolutely enormous cost billions and billions
of dollars were lost of revenue that was immediate revenue

(01:57:31):
that was lost because of the strikes, and people got
sent back to work, ordered back to work. It hasn't
happened as far as I can tell, since nineteen seventy
eight when there was a labor issue in Quebec and
the Canadian Industrial Relations Board ordered the workers back to
work and they refused. The samest thing as that has
happened here, with the QP members and the QP president saying, look,

(01:57:53):
I'm willing to go to jail for this. That's actually
happened in the past. There are economic finds associated with
defying a back to work order from the CI the
Canadian Industry Relations Board. But back then, in nineteen seventy eight,
one of the union leaders actually went to prison, was
sentenced to two months, or actually served two months. I

(01:58:13):
don't know what the sentence might have been at the time.
So that changing landscape, and again where you stand depends
on where you sit, but that can be a concern
that faces any federally regulated unionized employee today. I mean,
look at Michael Russo. I've heard someone suggests he's the
CEO of Air Canada suggests that he should be fired
based on the comments he made, but mister Russo doesn't

(01:58:35):
answer directly or necessarily to the employees, because when you're
a publicly traded company, you basically answers to the shareholder,
for better or worse. So he said, quite clearly, we
didn't put a whole lot of effort into an on paraphrasing,
we didn't put a whole lot of effort into rescheduling
or rebooking pastures because they were pretty confident that the

(01:58:56):
federal government would implement Section one oh seven and order
from the Canadian Industrial Relations Board would be brought forward
and back to where you go, and QP said, not
so fast. So again you can come down on one
side or another. And as the traveling public, you probably
will pay more at some point into the future for
an Air Canada ticket. But there you go. Let's check

(01:59:16):
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(02:00:00):
Briana georg joneses.

Speaker 14 (02:00:00):
From the news from Brian boy Patty, just putting it
in perspective, just devastation. We got some numbers from the
Premier and the cabinet ministers that one now Conception Bay
North fire close to eleven thousand. Hector's not much movement
in it in the past twenty four hours or so.

Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
The fire has not grown.

Speaker 14 (02:00:21):
However, they do have a better mapping of the size
of the fire right now. He gave us some numbers.
Two hundred and three structures.

Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
Are gone in that area.

Speaker 14 (02:00:33):
Western Bay alone is something like eighty six or so.
So it's just devastation is no other way to measure it, really,
and Premier Hogan says, those numbers obviously could go up,
and we think they probably will go up as they
get a better mapping of the situation.

Speaker 2 (02:00:53):
Yeah, you know, while we are dealing with fighting the
fires and the evacuees are looking for more information about
their homes and what have you, is at some point
into the very near future, the rebuild conversation has to happen.
And I know that there's been a special committee struct
with the various Cabinet ministers and their responsibilities, but this
all rebuilt. I mean, you talk about eighty six structures

(02:01:15):
or eighty three structures of Western Bay. That's the vast
majority of the community, if not all of it. So
that rebuild conversation is going to be very difficult to have.
That's what we're thinking too.

Speaker 14 (02:01:24):
And we see those numbers. Western Bay eighty six, Small
Point broad Code, Blackhead, Adams Cove thirty three, Kingston twelve,
Oker Pit Cove fifty nine, So that's getting up there.
Northern Bay thirteen. Most property owners already been notified. Other
notifications are underway. Just heard that latest briefing by the

(02:01:46):
premiere and mentioned some other things too in relation to
the compensation. For example, it's five hundred dollars in this
situation was a thousand and labrador a couple of years
ago last year. And some people just wondering why the discrepancy.
But the Minister leaves a dempster put that into her perspective,
saying that distances just a totally different situation. For example,

(02:02:10):
some people in Happy Valley Goo who had a Happy
Valley goose bait, they had to go to the island,
for example. So you're looking at tremendous expense there, just
a totally different situation.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
I get that, But we're also talking about the length
of being evacuated for the North Shore evacuees. We're coming
up on three weeks, so incidentals pile up and hurry. Yes,
I understand the geographical differences. Yes, I understand the accommodation
fees and or short term rentals in one area or another,
but it's not unrealistic to look at it same thing
when it comes to a compensation for the voluntaire of firefighters.

(02:02:44):
Was there any information there, Brian, because I was busy
trying to deal with listeners who were wondering what was
going on.

Speaker 5 (02:02:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (02:02:49):
No, and we got a few calls to the newsroom
to that effect as well. No, not in terms of
compensation that is still on the table. It's obviously going
to happen in some regard. We don't have any new
information to pass along in terms of compensation, but there
is a commitment there from government that there will be
financial compensation for people really whose job volunteer job has

(02:03:14):
become full time job.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
Yeah, I mean they sign up for exactly what they're doing,
but not to this extent now, not this severity. So
we wonder what it's going to look like. I'm fielding
emails and calls that goes something like this. Not every
volunteer firefighters in the same life predictament, whether it be
time off work or trying to do both jobs as
a volunteer firefighter and going to their so called regular
day job. So imagining this will be a blanket sum

(02:03:37):
available as opposed to trying to navigate the different circumstances
for every single firefighter. Are you hearing anything about that.

Speaker 14 (02:03:44):
It's going to be a very complex order and they're
going to have that'll be part of this cabinet committee structure.
That is clearly one of the tasks that they will
be expected to pass along some recommendations about Perhaps that's
where it will likely come from. They'll have their ear
to the ground and be getting all of those details
that you are mentioning. That depends on the scope. Not

(02:04:06):
everyone is in the same situation, for example. Also, now
this is secondary. We know this is not the primary story,
but we started getting a lot of calls this morning
when people were waking around seven seven point thirty and
just smelled like you were right in the middle of
a wildfire in Metro. So the air quality warning brought

(02:04:28):
on by the wildfires. We know that's not the main
issue in this. It's people who've lost their homes and everything.
But this still is an issue in Metro is with
the effect on the air quality index. It's at ten
and that's about as bad as it gets. That's the
risk is pretty high to some type of effect on

(02:04:49):
human health. So that is because those winds shifted to
the northwest. Now, just even a slight change in that
wind direction, Patty, and that could blow it offshore or
in land and out of the city. But this morning,
they issued the warning that the air quality was indeed
going to.

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
Be pretty pretty rough at ten for the next little bit. Yeah,
and you know the only reason we bring it up
is because in this neck of the woods. Look, Dave
Williams was at a baseball game amount part of the
Canada Summer Games last week and he reported, you know,
it was absolutely stifling, the air quality and the smoke,
the presence of smoke. You know, we have to share
this information because if you're safe in Saint John's, you

(02:05:31):
have experienced very little of it. So there's been, you know,
some discussion about the air quality index and the small
particles that are part of this wildfire smoke, what it
means for your overall health, especially if you have a
respiratory illness to begin with. So that's why we bring
it up. And this is apropos of very little. But
I'm also getting questions about what it means for the
Canada Summer Games. Medical staff are involved with the organizing committee.

(02:05:53):
I would imagine giving all the air quality index updates,
what have you I guess athletes and teams and mission
staff and the organizers themselves, you know, they will try
to mitigate and manage risk. But you know that, like
the athletics competition begins today, certainly that poses an issue.
Of course, doesn't have anything repay us a comparison a
part of me to evacuees and firefighters. But it's also

(02:06:14):
something that's ongoing here in the city that needs to
be brought into the conversation in some form.

Speaker 14 (02:06:18):
And the mitigation might have been mother nature itself, because
just soon after the rain began, you could notice less
of a presence of that wildfire smoke. And I interviewed
one of the meteorologists, Ian Hubbard, and indeed he did
say that the rain coming down did suppress the presence
of that wildfire smoke. So mother nature just may have

(02:06:41):
come to the rescue as mother nature caused it in
the first place with the shift and wind direction.

Speaker 2 (02:06:47):
Appreciate the time, Brian, thanks for doing it right, Joy,
Patty to take care. It's Bria door from the VOCM newsroom.
Regardless of what the rest of the day brings, we
can only help for mother nature to continue cooperating and
the bitter rain we got here, hopefully it falls mightily
on the places that are still burning right across the province.
All right, good show today, big thanks to all hands
and we will indeed pick up this conversation again fore
morning right here on VOCM and Big Land of FM's

(02:07:09):
Open Line on behalf of the producer David Williams. I'm
your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun, happy day.
We'll talk in the morning. Bye bye.

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