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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line Call seven oh nine two
seven three fifty two eleven or one triple eight five
ninety eight six two six abusing opinions of this programmer,
not necessarily those of this station. The biggest conversation in
Newfoundland and Labradors starts now. Here's VOCM Open Line Host

(00:22):
Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
so much for tuning into the program. It's Tuesday, December
the ninth. This is Open Line. I'm your host, Patty Daily.
David Williams is back in the producer's chair. You'll be
speaking with David when you pick up the phone to
give us a call. Get in the Q and on
the air if you're in the same John's Metro region.
The number of dialists seven zero nine, two seven three,
five two one one elsewhere are told for you long

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distance one eight eight eight five ninety VOCM, which is
eighty six twenty six. So let's put a bow on
the New Flan Regiment's twenty twenty five homestead schedule. Look
pretty good. On home it's just one three in a row,
five to two on Sunday Night against Charlottown them two
to one on a shootout last night, so off to
a pretty good start for their inaugural season in the Queue.

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So they sit in fourth place in the Eastern Conference.
They're fifteen eleven, one and one. The gold differential is interesting.
They're plus eight on the goals four the gold differential
their plus eight. Just get a look at Shakodaman, who's
second in the league or second in the division plus
fifty and Monk then at the top plus thirty seven.
There's only four teams with a plus gold differential in
the East. The Regiment are one. So they got seven

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games left on their schedule before the end of twenty
twenty five, and the training camp roster is off for
Team Canada preparing for the World Juniors. No member of
the New Flan Regiment on that particular training camp roster,
and of course, led by Gavi McKenna, an absolute superstar
in the making. Is this young fella you know, pardon me,
major junior hockey in this country. It's probably fairly predictable

(01:51):
that the biggest names, the biggest superstars will probably not
be playing major junior hockey in this country. They're going
to go playing in the United States in the NCAA.
Why because they can cash it. So now these college
athletes in the States can make some money off of
their likeness in their name. And you know, mckenn is
absolutely doing seven figures as a seventeen year old hockey
player in the state. So those superstars probably end up

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in the NCAA into the future. Speaking of super stars,
I just saw this flog, but I thought it was
interesting for Montreal Canadian fans. I guess for NHL fans
is young Lane Hudson, second year player who won the
Caller last year. He's gonna win a Norse as the
best defense from in the league one of these years
in the future. He averages more points per game than
any other defenseman in Montreal Canadian history with the minimum

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one hundred games played. Hudson one hundred and eleven games
played point eight points per game. I headed Chris Cellios,
Gela Point, Larry Robinson, PJ. PK Suban, and Mike Matheson
was also a current habit cohaps Come all right, baseball fans,
I'm this state. In twenty twenty three, Showyatani signed his
seven hundred million dollar contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers.

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Even though the media toyed with us that Otani was
considering playing in Toronto. Course didn't happen, And reading the
baseball blogs, looks like Bobashett might be leading Red Sox.
So that's the rumble out there now. I thought he
maybe would have landed with the Yankees, but it looks
up to me with the Socks, all right. So twenty
four to seven snow clearing. And as Minister Barry Petton
has said, and he's in the news today, is that

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twenty four to seven snow clearing is not yet a thing.
Why because they don't have all the equipment and or
the personnel to make it a thing quite yet. He's
hoping by the end of this month it will be
in place. So the thought was, it's going to be
difficult to hire some fifty operators, twenty five permanent and
twenty five part time. Apparently they've got one hundred and
fifty applications. One hundred of those applicants are in the

(03:38):
churn right now, be vetted for potential hiring. But I
had a snowplow operator send me an email about the
rate of pay. So I'm not going to get into
the numbers because I'm still trying to verify all of them,
but it looks like some of the major municipalities in
this neck of the woods pay more to the operators.
My question would be whether or not they're actually still hiring,
as opposed to the fact that the problemce is hiring

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at this moment of time. But it's not quite there yet.
But fingers crossed for those who are lucky enough to
be operating at one of the fourteen chosen roots for
this year's Phase one of twenty four to seven. So
good blasted snow, I'm not so sure the weather forecast
was very accurate yesterday. Feels like we got more snow
than we were told we were getting, and the wind
didn't manifest itself either. It fell down pretty flat in

(04:22):
my neighborhood anyway. For folks out there who are in
a rush in the morning, including me, still wonder why
people are willing to get behind the wheel without actually
clearing the vehicle off. You see it all the time,
you know, one such example this morning, someone facing the
opposite direction, facing right at me as I was at
one of the red lights and basically looking through a porthole,

(04:42):
and the side window is not cleared at all. And
then I'm going to throw it out through again. I
get in trouble for this one. But it's time for
a conversation about mandatory winter tires. You know, just pictured,
if you're in and around Saint John's. I'm on Portrait
Cove Road heading up to the Uttering Road, so that's
the intersection with New Flang Drive. Someone's coming down a
New Flan Drive wanted to merge on the Portrait cod

(05:03):
Road on that little right hand turn lane, which is
not a very steep incline, and this Toyota Camry could
not get up it. The wheels are spinning all out,
and so you know full well they're all seasons and
probably not with much of a tread left on them.
So should we be talking about mandatory snowtars? I think maybe?
So all right, and can we bring an end to

(05:24):
this conversation about the three point two million dollars worth
of US alcohol inventory that the NLC is sitting on.
And it's not an NLC matter, it's under the direction
of government. So look in Nova Scotia, sitting on fourteen
million dollars worth. They're selling it off and some four
million of it is going to go to charity, including
a food band charity. Let's just do it, you know,

(05:45):
I know every cent into the provincial coffers is helpful,
but the charities were in such desperate need, let's just
sell their boos and give them money to the charities.
Had we considered this some while back, and it's kind
of rich for the Liberals to be telling the Tories
to do it, when the Liberals put this ban of
selling American and alcohol on the shelves at the NLC.

(06:06):
But let's just do it. It would have been smart had
we just given all the booze to the charities so
they could get lottery licenses to raffle it off, because
given them the three point two million dollars, and I'm
totally in favor of it, had that been done in
the form of charity raffles, that three point two million
dollars probably could have been doubled. So anyway, your thoughts
on it and on that front, you know, I know,

(06:28):
it's all about the optics of fighting back against the
Trump administration and the tariffs and what have you, which
have been justified by the most flimsy things. But the
travel numbers are down, that's the thing. And you travel
in the States if you're selling clients your money, not mine.
But then yesterday, just proving one more time that all
the tariff business is not based on trade deps, it's
not based on national security, it's not based on drugs.

(06:50):
It's based on emotion and whim of one person. And
this time is the threat of severe tariffs on Canadian potash.
The Americans import some ninety percent of the potash that
they use. Eighty percent of that is from Canada. Yes,
there are other reserves in this world, including some of
the United States, which would take years to actually develop
and produce. But again, are how are people still onside

(07:14):
with this as an economic policy? So a severe tariffm
potash basically means that American farmers pay more for the fertilizer.
And who do you think is going to absorb that cost?
Not the farmers. And on that front, all of the
kerfuffled with China and tariffs, and now, in the absolute
vein of the textbook definition of socialism, now they're weipping
up a twelve billion dollar bailout package for American farmers

(07:37):
by the garment that created the problem. It's amazing to me,
But you want to talk about it. We can do
it and mad fellow named John Reynolds called yesterday talking
about the new rules for sending packages into the United
States and apparently, like he said, he figures many people
be caught off guard when it happened. We brought it
up here on the show, and apparently people do continue

(07:58):
to be caught off guard. So they remove the deminimus exemption.
So packages with a value of eight hundred dollars or
less were duty free, and now that's not the case.
You have to jump through the hoops of downloading this
app called Zonos. You have to go through all the paperwork.
Then you, as the sender, has to pay all the
duties up front and so consequently far more expensive to

(08:19):
even send just a do Dad package with a few
scraps for Christmas value, add a couple of hundred bucks,
you have to pay the duty. I didn't think it
was going to be that unknown, but apparently it is.
His call got tons of reaction here on the show
via email mostly. But yeah, if you have to send
a package of the States, make sure you know what
you're getting yourself into. You know, I'm going to guess

(08:41):
that some of these gifts won't manifest themselves in packages
will be emt transfers of a few shekels, so your
American friends are family can pick up something that they're
actually looking for. But apparently a lot of people cut
off guard with that particular one. All right, So this
past Saturday night out of the Samkov Community Center, there
was an appreciation night and dinner for all of those

(09:01):
who were involved in fighting the North Shore fire, the
Kingston fire, some ten thousand hectares and a couple hundred
structures lost. And you know, there's some of the quotes
that say this summer changed everything, and I'm sure it did.
And there was also special recognition of the firefighters who
were volunteering their efforts and lost their own homes. So
boy oh boy, I mean the stories that I hear

(09:22):
and the ongoing anxiety and worry about what happened and
what next will add that to the conversation. I'm a
little surprised we have been getting calls on this front,
but the volume of emails asking me to dig into
were these some seven million dollars worth of charitable donations
that were for one specific purpose to bring financial aid
to those who were impacted by the wildfire. Season, not

(09:44):
just the Kingston fire. But the money hasn't flowed yet,
as far as I can tell, none of it. So again,
I'm not trying to assert that there's anything nefarious going on,
but I think it's a completely fair question that those
residents are people impacted by this past wildfire season, they're
wondering where's the money. It's one thing to be waiting
for the provincial government or the federal government to get

(10:06):
off their you know, watts and do what they pledged
to do, but quite another for me and you and
whoever listening that made a donation because you thought it
was the right thing to do, But where's the money?
And I don't think that's unfair, even though some people
have chimed in and said, you know, it takes time.
The Red Cross has done a lot of good work.
Now I'm saying the Red Cross hasn't done a lot
of good work in this world. Of course they have,

(10:27):
but in this instance, I think it's fair question to
ask where is the money?

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I heard from the Member for Cape Spear, Tom Osbourne,
and it was in reference to the Beta Nord project.
And I don't want to put words in his mouth,
but the paraphrase is something along these lines. He's more
optimistic now than he was in years past about the
future for that particular project. You know, it goes on

(10:54):
to say that there's a more friendly prime minister now
in office, being Mark Kearney with these oil related projects,
and you know, pointed to the fact that there's an
MoU a non binding agreement between Ottawa and Alberta for
a Bitchmen pipeline to be offloaded on BC's north coast,
and of course all the caveats there in indigenous consultations,
BC has a say, which is always going to be

(11:15):
the case, regardless of who the Prime minister is. So
I'm going to try to keep that pipeline back in
my mind for a second. So with Beta Ord, I'm
not really quite sure why he's more bullish on it
than he was years past. It's one thing to have
a friendly prime minister. Whether or not that's true, I'll
leave it up to you. But if we're looking for
provincial subsidies and the province is still considering an equity

(11:38):
stake in Beata, no word some ten percent has been
the number floating around, or federal investment credits, then other
than that what do we expect the federal government to do.
There is some fast track work available, will that be
pushing equanor over the finish line to make their final
investment decision. I'm not so sure. Look, I'm not really

(11:58):
sure why people's optimism has changed, you know, when Equinora
has been quite open about the subse work to be
done here and now talking about possibility for top sides
work to be done here, which could be extremely valuable
to the some seventy percent of skilled trades people represented
by Trades NL who a few months ago were told
were out of work and Article eighty too, those types

(12:20):
of things. But I'm not really sure. And on the
top sides work, the caveat is clear. If the expression
of interest goes out and locals reply, if the cost
and schedule can be proven to be achievable by locals,
we'll have a shot at the top sides jobs, which
we haven't done in this problems for twenty years. But
then it's that caveat of cost and schedule. For cost,

(12:43):
and look, I hope everyone around here gets a job
doing whatever, of course I do, but cost is going
to be tricky thing to match. I mean, the people
who have dug in and done the work about the
cost of skilled trades project history in the past, whether
it be in Singapore or Korea, it's going to be
hard to hit those targets. So maybe Bob Fiander out
of trades and l if he has time, would look
to join us this morning about what he heard from

(13:05):
Minister Partoner, me, from mister Osborne or anybody else on
that front. We can do it and then you know,
we'll put these proposed win projects back on for your
consideration and conversation here this morning. If you are so inclined, Oh,
this fell off the radar. You know, sometimes things grab
headlines and they are in the news for a day

(13:25):
or two or a week and then they're gone. So
for folks on the southwest coast, the chime in on
the South Coast Fjords National Marine Conservation Area. It's huge.
It's over nine thousand square kilometers from Lapoile Bay to
McCallum extends off shore of course, so they're talking about
ecological significance and what the goals are and the partnerships

(13:45):
between Parks Canada, the provincial government, Miyakapook First Nation, Hallapoo,
the Town of Birds, shoe. Where are we on this?
We do know that Parks Canada was not doing an
economic evaluation which should be part of the consideration for
this huge national marine conservation area. So someone I guessed
in the region asks me why that's not in the
news any longer? And whatever of interest to you can

(14:08):
be discussed on this show. All right. Back to the
email inbox and a pretty thoughtful email from a listener
that came in overnight. I'll leave the persons they am
at with it, obviously, he says. I struggle with this
thought as I'm not even sure my thinking on this
subject is right. And here's what he's talking about. He says,
I believe bundling mental health and addictions is wrong thinking.

(14:30):
I understand that sometimes they go hand in hand, but
I believe this is the exception and not the rule.
I deal with a mental health issue and it's taken
me many, many years to learn to live and function
with it. I'm not an addict nor an alcoholic, but
I do believe it in internally and in silence. I
deal with it internally and in silence. Unfortunately, being an addict,
I think brings with it many stigmas, combining the two

(14:52):
projects of those two issues, this stigma's not to people
with mental health problems and further encourages them to suffer
in silence on for a little bit longer. But it's
an interesting thought and a thoughtful note, because I think
I'm probably guilty of it too, bundling mental health and addictions,
just like we've done with naming that new facility on

(15:13):
the Health science and complex mental health and addictions because
they don't have to be directly inherently linked. You can
have one without the other, and there are different thoughts
as social stigmas associated with either or Unfortunately, especially when
we're talking about mental health, there should never be a
stigma for an actual diagnosis medically of one ailment or another,

(15:33):
one mental illness or another. But that is an interesting
thought that I hadn't really spent much time giving it
much in the way of thought, but now I will.
So I appreciate him sending along the note, because talking
about it as if they're the same thing is probably
not very helpful, and I'll admit that I've probably done
that in the past. But your thoughts on that, I

(15:55):
think that's an interesting conversation that is worth pursuing of
health notes, and it goes on to prove that there's
many people you can't please no matter what we're talking
about it and this is access to primary care. All right,
where's the news story you had gaps in family access
family doctors. Now there's the most recent surveys come out

(16:16):
about the number of Canadians without access to primary care.
So in twenty twenty two, six point five million. Population
has grown since then, but now the estimate is five
point nine million Canadians who don't have regular access to
a primary care provider. Then they get into how pleased
people are with their primary care and interestingly, what we've
been working on in this province, the establishment of patient

(16:39):
care teams, collaborative care clinics is now the go too
for provinces right across the country. So there's that and
here's what's not being very well received. But I don't
know what people expect when we talk about doctors is
there's only seventeen medical schools in this country which can
only produce so many doctors annually. So it announcement yesterday

(16:59):
on them Progretion Front. Foreign trained doctors who have been
nominated for this program will receive a fourteen day work
permit processing. That's only if they have at least one
year of Canadian work experience in the last three years.
In addition, five thousand federal admission spots on top of

(17:20):
the provincial nominee program allocations will be reserved for provinces
and territories to nominate licensed doctors with job offers. So
in an effort to add doctors to the fold, certainly
recruitment outside the country has to happen, because, as I said,
we can only graduate so many doctors from seventeen medical
schools here. Then the immediate reaction that I got in

(17:40):
my email inbox is we already have a problem trying
to deal with healthcare professionals that don't speak the language,
which is an inference that every single form board doctor
can't speak English. I mean, we either need and want
more doctors easier access to primary care, or we don't,
so foreign born or foreign trained, because it's also important

(18:04):
to say foreign trained doctors doesn't mean that they can't
actually be from Canada or the United States or Great
Britain or Germany or somewhere where the language bearers can
be reduced. So I thought that this was a very
good announcement when I heard of being offered by the
Immigration minister. But people are pushing back, and again I

(18:26):
can't really quite understand it. One of the pushback emails
I got was calling for what has now been all
the rage in certain corners of the political spectrum about remigration,
sending everybody back if you're not from here, get out?
Is the sentiment? Does that include the Irish and the
English and the Scottish and the Welsh, and the Belgians

(18:49):
and the Dutch, and the Americans and the Germans and
the French and the Italians or is it the other countries? Right?
So I thought that was probably a pretty helpful announcement
to try to improve access to healthcare. And that's not
a liberal or a conservative thing, that's a doctor thing.
So anyway you want to bring it forward, I was
going to dig into Bill C nine, the Combating Hate Bill,

(19:11):
very quickly. Who knows what the future that is? And
there's lots of concerns being brought forth. There was apparently
a side deal struck between the liberals and the Black
Quebequa to carve out the religious exemption, which is chilling
in some people's minds, whether it be the Christian and
or Muslim communities, but being well received in the Jewish community.
So if you wanted to tackle that, we can do it,
because of course we can. How are we doing on

(19:33):
the phone to Dave. Let's get a corner this morning,
just on a little lighter holiday Christmas note sixty years
ago today, nineteen sixty five at Charlie Brown Christmas first
premiered on American television, of course, based on the teen
It's comic strip written by Charles Schultz, very small budget
for the production, which took six months, all child actors.
There was no laugh track, which at the time laugh

(19:54):
track was a staple, so all of the producers and
the network thought it was going to be a disaster.
Won an Emmy, won a Peabody, and is absolutely a
bull of it annual broadcast. It's got that really cool
jazzy soundtrack by Vince Garaldi, a pianist. So even just
the album with some of the songs from that particular

(20:16):
Charlie Brown Christmas sold four million copies in the US
alone in one year, so it's only twenty two minutes long.
And of course Charlie Brown depressed despite the holiday season.
Lucy gets the local neighbor of Christmas play pick out
a tree, Da Da da. When Charlie told by lionis
the true meaning of Christmas turned everything around. They decorated

(20:37):
the lonely tree at all Ends in Friendship at Charlie
Brown Christmas premiers on American television on this date in
nineteen sixty five. We're on Twitter, revio simop line. Follow
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When we come back, there's something I brought up you
want to talk about. Great, If it's something that I
didn't bring up and you want to talk about it, perfect,
don't go away, Welcome back to the program. David is
just organizing our caller here to kick off the program

(20:58):
this morning. And it was always going to be the
case when I bring up things like mandating certain spends
for Canadian citizens or residents of this province. And that's
about winter tires, and you know, the assertion is that
it's completely unnecessary should be left up to the individual
who owns the car or the vehicle. I get the concept,
I mean, I do, but there's also an inherent risk

(21:19):
with driving around in all seasons in the winter months.
So it's not about regular winter tires or studded tires
or wherever the case may be. But it does make
it less safe on the roads when there are people
out there in vehicles that are operating with see all
season tires on during the winter, right, So I get, Yeah,
it's your money, but it's also my money when my
insurance premiums are going to potentially be impacted because of

(21:42):
collisions caused by people with you know, whether it be
the type of vehicle and the state of repair or
disrepair it's in, and yes, whether or not they have
snow tires on during the winter. All right, let's begin
this morning online number three, Walter, You're on the air.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
I'm going to do my best to not talk over you.
I'm on a cellular phone, so I apologize if I
jump on you there. I'm going to do my best.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
MS a little bit of a delay.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
I wanted to give a quit cal this morning, Patty,
concerning something we can do here in the city that
it wouldn't cost a penny and would make people's lives
just a little bit more enjoyable during the Christmas season,
and that is to turn on our lights at the
Duck Pond at Darren Park that was supposed to be
an event on the fifth got delayed because of the storm.
Of course, with it delayed until the thirteenth, which it

(22:28):
doesn't seem to be necessary. I will say that the
park in the dark is not an inviting place to
be in the cold winter nights. But once you turn
those lights on, my gosh, it's so inviting and the
festive feeling that goes around and the good will towards
a common person, and yeah, the park is dark, and
it really really doesn't need to be like that. We

(22:50):
can just turn around. It's beautiful. You can see it
for kilometers on end. And then Saturday when you when
you do the pomp and the politicians and the music
and stuf, that's fine, you know, just lead them on.
It's a very short season when it comes to the
Christmas season and the lights of Buring Park. So I
just wanted to make a quick call and say you

(23:11):
can make a lot of people happy. I mentioned yesterday
in like three hundred and fifty people, and that's just
on the old little social media things that you know, well,
you're right, it's far too late. And what happens on
the thirteenth if we have a storm, you're delayed to
the twentieth or something. Now just turn the lights on
and let people enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, I'm not even sure it requires some sort of
formal event to flip the switch. I know why they
do it. There's a little you know, a celebration and
a celebratory time of year, but fair ball. If it
gets delayed by another weather event, then that's unfortunate because
here we are on the ninth of December and we
all know what Christmas is.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Yeah, yesterday, I think I know my weatherp I was
calling for two to five centimeters and here in the
West time we got close on twenty. See, you can
never go by a forecast, so there's a lot of
folks that won't go down during the event. You know,
the actual the.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Actual light on their lights.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
It's it's it's pretty mad house. I mean, it's a
lot of people going there. It's a testive thing, but
not a lot. Not everybody goes there. So it's an
opportunity to go in the evenings or or ay as
you know, Patty gets start so early in the night
and you're in the park at ten or six, and
what a beautiful thing would be to have all the
lights on and enjoying your walk in a nice, peaceful light,
but instead it's black. It's just it's unnecessary, and that's

(24:22):
something you can do to make people in the city
of their lines a little bit better. And it doesn't
cost us one comport.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, no, I'm all for it, you know, in so far,
I'm not splitting hairs about costs. The longer they're on,
the more costs. But they're already budgeted for it beyond
X number of days. So yeah, let's just flick them on.
What's the big deal.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Spark the park, turn it, thank you, appreciate.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
The time, No problem, thank you, Walter, thank you. Okay,
bye bye. Yeah, I mean simple things like that. I
can't make the difference. And yes, I would imagine it's
quite dark in the park. On top of that, have
the boats been letting port a grade yet or is
that coming up soon? So someone has the information there,
because I know people really enjoyed making that trip out

(25:05):
when the weather is conducive to get out to Port
of Grave for folks close by or even the bloody
townies going on for a look, because that really is
quite the spectacle. And so Ivan Leer and others who
are behind it. Ivan generally chimes in with a note
around this time of year, whether be on Twitter or otherwise,
to give us some updates. So have the boats been lit?
Has that celebration that event taken place just yet on

(25:27):
Port of Grave? Be curious to find out just checking
on the Twitter box see what's shaken in there. A
little bit of pushback about any thoughts that I ever
offer about, you know, international relationship, especially between can of
the United States. And I guess someone's mad at me
because I said that all the tariffs are based on
emotions and whims. Well they are. I mean, look no

(25:48):
further than the ad, you know, with the Ronald Reagan's
thoughts on tariffs. I was there in the United States
during the World Series, and what did that get and
immediate an additional bump on tariffs? So nice on a
motion and whims. I don't know how that can be
proven to be anything but demonstrably true. Look no further
than the last six eight months. All right, let's get
a breaking when we come back, we're talking about the

(26:10):
Highway Traffic Act. Don't go away, Welcome back to the show.
Let's go LNE Number two Bill around the air.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
Yes, hi, Patty, Hi, can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I can?

Speaker 5 (26:22):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (26:23):
I know I called in last week and I think
I opened the can of worms about this whole idea
of keeping right except the pass on a herb on
an urban on a highway that's in an urban setting
like a free you know, like it's freeway, it's a
it's a controlled access divided highway that's within an urban area.

(26:49):
And and I think a caller after me it was
a man who worked with the work Services and Transportation,
I guess, and he did maintenance.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
He used to install the signs, and.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
He said he suggested that the green signs with the
arrows pointing down in which lanes to use were simply
navigation aids, and the Highway Traffic Act and the Highway
I think Highway Engineering disagrees with that idea that they're

(27:26):
simply navigation aids. And there's a lot of people I've
been talking to who use the section of the trans
Canada that we call the Outer Ring Road, and it's
in an urban environment and they follow those signs because
that's what because the arrows indicates which yet lane to use,

(27:47):
and they've experienced the same problem that I've had for
following the signs that I'm required to do, and I've
been tailgated for it. And they've had similar experiences as
DYP and tailgata too, and they're really intimidated about following
the rules of the road because just by s is.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
There any specific reference to what you call an urban
freeway in the highway traffic actor.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
It doesn't have to be. It's that's the reality.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
It's a freeway that's in an urban it's in an
urban area.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
And UH.

Speaker 6 (28:23):
And I think if you talk to an expert, which
would be in my opinion, would be a traffic engineer
or or you know, a compression professional engineer that that
that does this, that designs these, that designs highways and stuff,
they understand that that that UH, control access freeways within
an urban error different. There are a different cat. It's

(28:46):
a different animal because there's like let's take the case
of the Ottering Road. It's a twenty kilometer stretch. What
this is what we're talking about, and there's multiple interchanges
in that little twenty kilometer stretch.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
It's a different animal.

Speaker 6 (29:04):
It's a different animal than than the Transcanda, the highway
that goes through let's say turnover park, or it's a
different set of circumstances. There's a lot of more traffic flow.
The two lanes are required to accommodate it so it
doesn't become congested, and sometimes it becomes a three lane

(29:24):
highway because the traffic increases.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
The only difference is like using Teran Nova for instance,
as a comparison, you can turn left in the highway
in Taranova, but you can only turn right off the
highway on the stretch you're talking about.

Speaker 6 (29:38):
Okay, all right, so it is not different. That's not
a control access freeway, but it is a and it's
not a divided highway either, but it's still the trans
can of the highway. And this is what I'm saying.
So in the case like turnover park, then signs that
tell you the key righting sets except to pass that.

(30:00):
And that's simply a side that that doesn't that that
statement or that full statement does not exist in the.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Highway Traffic Act at all. It's not there. It's not that.

Speaker 6 (30:09):
The only thing in the Highway Traffic Act that mentioned
set refers to driving to the right side of the road,
is it says, uh, it is that that you're required
to drive to the right to drive to the right
side of the road. And that's that's that's that's section
ninety five and.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
And I think that's uh. I think okay, And that's
that's all it says.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
It doesn't say drive, doesn't say keep right except the pass.
It's not in the act. It's not there. What's in
the acts is UH.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
Is a section.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
Of I think it's called this one hundred and six,
and it says when a traffic except when a traffic
control officer directs otherwise drivers and pedestrian shallow baited instructions
of a traffic control signal, which is you know, lights
and things like that, or a traffic control device prescribed
by the minister and there and traffic control devices are signs,

(31:07):
you know, like could you say the speed limits one
hundred klometers an hour or could be a signed an
overhead sign, a green woman white lettering that tells you that,
and it got a narrow pointed to a lane and tells.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
You that's the lane you're supposed to use.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
So that's what the traffic control or that's what the
highway traffic heck says.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Law enforcement tells us. Well, I mean a couple of things.
There's reasons why things are worded as fundamental as they art,
insofar as keep right except to pass, because it's easy
to understand so as opposed to using hold on, as
opposed to the legal ease of a piece of legislation
to be translated to a sign versus simply say keep
right except to pass. As soon as that conversation happened,

(31:47):
whatever day it was, last week, both law enforcement agency
said it doesn't matter where the highway is. The fundamental
rule is stay to the right unless you're passing. And
of course, well no, they.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
Never came on your show and said that because you
said you were going to bring in law enforcement, which
we invited.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
We invited them on, but were they there. No, I
just got a bunch of reactions from cops. And you
know why they won't come on this.

Speaker 6 (32:11):
That's not the same thing, isn't it. You know you
got you got a bunch of reactions for cops. Their
job is to enforce the rules of the road as
as they as they're supposed to be instructed and what
they are.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
They don't make the rules the Highway Traffic Act.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
You know, with all due respect to the cops, and
they got a hard job. And I appreciate that, you know,
but you know, where was where are the cops on
the highway when when someone's tailgate me? And and you
know how many takets are issues for that kind of thing,
all right?

Speaker 5 (32:37):
That what you said you were.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
Going to bring them on your show, and and and and.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
And they're not there. They haven't been there. That's that was.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
That was too, you know that we were this effects
a lot of people. This you know, we could talk
about tariffs and stuff like that, but I mean the
Highway Traffic Act effects every day Knew Flanders, every day
of the week, and and that highway in facts, I
would say, well immediately about two hundred thousand people. But

(33:07):
people come in from outside Saint Johnson, they got to
use it effects then too. Uh uh look I'm an
anonymous collar, all right. And and and a lot of
people got hurt.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Up on that road.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
And uh and and other roads like that because it's
you know, because people are confused about the rules of
the road.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Do you think it could we removed the confusions. Everybody
just kept right except the fast No.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
Not at all.

Speaker 6 (33:33):
No, it's not it's because it doesn't apply in that situation.
It doesn't and and in fact we will because what
you've what you've created. Then you created this idea that
there are fast lanes. Now, I challenge you to call
anybody at work service and Transportation to say that that
that the left lane is designated as a fast lane,

(33:55):
because it's not. Because the speed limit is.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
One hundred klometers an hour.

Speaker 6 (33:59):
And this is the whole thing. See, because people feel
they should be able to drive as fast as they want,
and people feel that they can drive. And it's been
said over the years. I've heard a lot, and I'm
sure a lot of people will agree with me when
they say they've heard it too, that you can drive
up to one twenty and not get bothered.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Now, that might be all right if you're.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Driving a straightaway like between between the between Grand Falls
and Deerlake or something.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
Like that, and there's no one else affected.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
But you can't drive one hundred and twenty on the
outer Ring road. That's not your cause and.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
A lot of problems.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
Yeah, even one ten, even one ten, you shouldn't be driven.
The speed limit is one hundreds, and that's also in
the act that you're supposed to stay to one hundreds.
And there's different provisions, and there's different subsections for if
you're over ten or if you're over twenty klombers an hour,
you're supposed to be ticketed flat. And that's important because

(34:55):
if you're driving one hundred and twenty, if you're driving
one hundred and twenty, and somebody's got to merge onto
the highway to match one hundred and twenty, that merge
lane that he's got to use, that acceleration lane is
designed for one hundreds, is not desire for one hundred
and twenty. If it was desired for one hundred and twenty,
it'd be twice slow. These are conditions that we got

(35:18):
up there that highway.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
But that's a bit about people have in their mind
they can get away with driving one twenty. That's just
a silly opinion based on in someone's little pee brain.
That doesn't really apply.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
You're saying, that's a silly opinion.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
It is that is that is that is no.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
I think you know it, and I know it, and
a lot.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Of people just hold on a second.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Bill.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
You're telling me that there's a majority people out there
think it's okay to drive one twenty when the speed
limit is one hundreds.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
I think a lot of people feel they can yea.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Well, then a lot of people are pretty stone you
know this is partly then a lot of people are
pretty stoned because it's.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
No no hold on.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Now I'm saying, don't with those words in my mind
I just said.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
I'm saying there's a lot of misinformation.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
Going on and and and and.

Speaker 6 (36:08):
And the speed limit is one hundred and and and
especially on that and an urban highway, those things need
to be strictly those limits need to be maintained and
not say a few things that I've said about speed
limits and and and paying the roads to the rule,
which is all signs, and picking your lane and and

(36:29):
using the lane that you're suggested to use, I think
will go a long way to making that or these
urban highways that we got here New Flant safer. Look
if you go through there's an urban highway too in
Grand Falls, and and there's there's four lanes that go
through when they when they when they twin the highway there,

(36:50):
they decided that they were going to do that too.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
To improve road safety.

Speaker 6 (36:54):
And and the two the two left lanes you go
through Grant Falls, I could be corrected, but I'm pretty
sure that you encourage you then if you're going through right,
the don't keep right to set the pass there.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
The configuration of the interchange of grand Falls has been
a long standing problem and concern, especially for the residents
and the variety of things. You know, there's no real
highway business and grand Falls because of the way that
the interchanges are structured, which is a problem for like
highway towns enjoy highway business and they don't get to
do enjoy it in grand Fathers like they do.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
What's that?

Speaker 6 (37:26):
Oh yeah, okay, that's the difference between Okay, now we're
getting off the topic. But I'm just making the I'm
just you went out that a highway that's going through
an urban environment is a different cast, all right, Okay,
it's a different candle of fish, and and and this
is and this is the metropolitan area, the biggest metropolitan
area for our problems, and it affects a lot of people,

(37:48):
and and and I don't know. I can't say anymore
on it.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I appreciate your time, Bill, thanks for calling.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Okay, fine, okay, bye bye.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
You can't go on twenty in one hundred zone, right
that's speeding, and if the cops you they probably will
pull you over and write you a ticket. The thought
about a bit of lenience and a bit of grace.
I think this is a very popular consensus of people's
minds that if they see you going one oh nine,
they're not going to pull you over, but they can
because technically it's a hundred. That's it. People think there's

(38:17):
a little bit of lenience in grace, and that's long
been the school of thought from many people's minds about
you know, how quick you can go without getting the ticket.
But if you're someone who thinks that one twenty is
okay because this being limits one hundred for whatever reason,
then no, that's not how anything works. Let's take a break,
don't go away. Welcome back to the show. Let's go

(38:39):
lending of three second more to the word force counselor
here in the city of Saint John's. That's Tom Davis,
Tommy around the air.

Speaker 7 (38:45):
Good morning, Patty, Very Christmas. David, you're trustee producer. So
a couple of couple of city things are going to
start with. I've had a bunch of residents from Portugal place.
Of course, there's a proposed development there and we had
a hearing and that's working its way through the process.
So I encourage them to reach out and continue to

(39:07):
advocate for their challenges. But as well, there is an
issue with taxis parking on the top of Portrait Coal Place.
The city put no parking signs up there, and I
guess the issue is not so much that they're parking there,
although that's causing a problem, and that when they get
their calls they boot it down Portrait Coal Place and

(39:29):
down Bill's turn and the result is very unsafe. And
so you know, for all the cabbies and a lot
of taxi drivers do listen to the show, I would
like to ask you a if you could avoid parking
up there, of courses against the law, and you can
get tickets for that. But the main issue, and the
reason the signs broke them in the first place, is
because people are being recklessener tearing out of there. So

(39:50):
please don't park there. But if you're going to ignore
that rule, can you please drive carefully everywhere you're driving,
You know, all drivers, obviously any taxi drivers included, please
respect the residents and young children and people out walking.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Then, so where exactly are you talking about the caves congregating.

Speaker 7 (40:09):
At the top of Portugual of Place, which is kind
of a call to sac that is at the top
of Bell's turn. If you drive a Bell's turn to
keep driving.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
So the park that I can see from the uttering.

Speaker 7 (40:17):
Road, correct, exactly right, Yeah, park there and wait for
a call and you know again you know again the
reason that there was a lot of complaining because the
taxi drivers are causing a problem because they're driving recklessly
or too fast anyway however you want to define it
when they tear out of there, so we ask them
not to park there. There's also issue with needles being

(40:37):
dropped up there too. I mean again, unfortunately it's you know,
it's a problem, but you know, the main issue here
is we need people to drive carefully and not cause
potential accidents and people getting hurt.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Sure, just so I'm clear. So the concern is from
the residents that there's so many cabs up there that
possibly the speeding because they congregate there is a problem
as opposed to is just the general concept of speeding
through residential areas well.

Speaker 7 (41:04):
This is specifically Portrait Cove Place. You know, the fact
that they speed out of there and it got so
bad that the city has actually put no parking signs
up there, so technically there nobody's supposed.

Speaker 8 (41:13):
To park up there.

Speaker 7 (41:14):
Okay, yeah, but I will extend that to speeding. I mean,
I just heard Bill talking about the Udering Road, and
I know I sent you some images of that. You know,
the signs clearly do indicate that different lanes are meant
for different things. And I'm going to support Bill and
in his proposition that the engineers at the province have

(41:35):
asked us to follow those rules. However, I also understand
it'd be nice to have clarification.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
It's not my area, mind either.

Speaker 7 (41:45):
One thing you want to ask residents is it's a
real challenge doing the snow clearing at the best of times,
and the city, unlike a lot of the other communities
in the province, actually doesn't start the winter parking band
until January third. And a lot of the reason for
that is, first of all, we have a lot of
people who for one reason another don't have you know,
off street parking. But the other time is during the

(42:06):
Christmas holidays, a lot of people are parking and going
to parties and stuff, and it's great not to have
to have your vehicle, you know, to feel that extra
pressure to.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Drive home or do whatever.

Speaker 7 (42:17):
So so for that reason we ask, you know, we've
extended it to January third one. But one of the
challenges is that when we do have snow, if people
do have the ability to park off street, it'd be
really great because you know, if you drive through a
lot of the subdivision came out terrace, you know, all
throughout the whole city, you'll see how the plows had
to go out around. It's very inefficient. It creates all

(42:39):
kinds of icing and extra work. So if people have
the ability to keep put their cars off the road,
you know, we'd really appreciate it. And I always want
to send that message out there before we have snow.
I mean, I'm talking about obviously before we have a
snow or a sleet event or some thing that might
require and to remind people that the overnight parking bands
who start January third and then when they start will

(43:04):
be twelve thirty and the seven thirty a m. For
most of the city and then for six am downtown.
But that December one, we are twenty four hour no
no parking has started on no parking routes. There are
some streets in the city that actually have signed it
just says no parking from December first to March thirty
first on O smart streets.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Got it.

Speaker 7 (43:27):
So next Monday, budget drop. I don't really think residents
are very happy just and I know you and I
have talked about this for the last good while, and
you know I think I've done all I can. So
we'll see what happens next Monday. But anyway, so that
I'm going to take this city hat off now, I
want to talk about some programs that have come down

(43:48):
to Pipe that I think residents should definitely look into.
A stanviability. There's a new fe line company called Mitha
and they make smart thermostats and they've been working with
other utilities in North America, including hydro Quebec, to do
what we call virtual power plants, which allows the utility
working with the provider like MISA, to be able to
turn down in the summer. Not much of an issue

(44:11):
for newf Land, but for other areas it is turned
down the temperature, sorry turn allow the temperature in your
house to come up with during the war months, so
last air conditioning at a time when the utility is
experiencing a peak power demand. But in Newfouland this is
they're using it for winter time. For the opposite when
it gets cold and everybody's heaters are coming on at

(44:34):
the same time. If you can just spread that out
a little bit, you can avoid brownouts, but also just
avoid how much diesel we would burn to generate electricity
through Holyrood or the hardwoods or the few other places
that we have across the province in Antony. So they've
started a program for residences and you can look it's

(44:56):
New Flower. It seems to be only a new filient
power clients at this point. I did try and see
if New Plan Hydro was offering it, but anyway, so
the way it works is that you and electric baseport heat.
The other thing with this program, electric baseport heat has
to be your primary source. So you can purchase thermosets
either a costco or online through MESA and then there

(45:18):
is a there's a rebate for that. But then on
top of that, if you sign up for allowing the
utility to do it through MESA, you can get it's
up to one hundred and forty dollars in rebates that
you can experience and in the process you can save
money on your own electrical bill, but you can also

(45:38):
reduce the demand and reduce how much oil we burn
and potentially avoid brown on. So you know, I want
to encourage residents to go to the take charge looketity.

Speaker 9 (45:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
MESA for anyone who's interested is spelled m why essay
if you're planning on following up with your Google machine.
So that's all part of it. In different parts of
the world where they talk about the aggregate approach to
secure and supply increasing reliability on the grid, smart meters
are part of it. Same thing when you try to
interconnect sorry way to put it decentralized energy, so solar

(46:07):
panels wind using smart meters. It's all about reliability and security.
So yeah, I mean I've read enough about that to
have some understanding of it. MESA makes a great product
and they are taking off gangbusters. They're doing great business.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
They are.

Speaker 7 (46:22):
You know, I've got them in my house and my
cabin and my business, and you know the cabin point
of view, I can I can turn the heat all
the way down before I leave on what people call
it look at vacation mode, and it'll go down to
eight degrees. But if Bev and I are going out there,
I can just go on my phone click turn it up,
turn up to two mini splits and you know it'll

(46:42):
be twenty to one degrees when we get out there.
And you know that's a great feature. I also have
my hot water boiler out there set up on a
similar thing. It's not a MESA, but something similar. For
the business. You know, we have party rooms. You know
I can control and my managers can control remotely. You know,
in said I haven't have my heat on all the
time or re air conditioning all the time, or if
I know the guys might have my staff might have

(47:02):
left self on, I'll just go on on on Saturday
night and the check and fail. Yet party rooms, I
mean sometimes I'll have your conditioning on in some rooms
and heat in other rooms and not very efficient. But
you can set this up. It can be programmable or
or you can you know, just do it remotely on
your on the app on your phone. It's a great thing.
There's also take Charge also as a business program. If

(47:24):
you have visa thermost that's these. You do not have
to have baseboard. It can be the mini splits and
you get up to fifty dollars per thermacet that you buy,
so you can save money on your directly because the
way the visa thermostats are very precise in how they
control things and they can be kind of balancing things out.
Lots of savings there and you know, great for MESA.

(47:44):
The other thing I'd like to ask people, there's a
lot of people who do have electric cars in the
city and the province, and you a lot of vehicles
or the chargers are capable of having programable so you
can you can say when they're going to when they're
going to start charging, and in mine, I actually have
them start at eleven PM and then stop at six

(48:05):
am because that's our that's the time when we have
the lowest demand. Again and that's usually when we have
enough hydro to base your charging vehicle one hundred percent hydro.
But during the winter time, uh you know, obviously we're
getting into burner fair bit of oil during the peak time.
So so people have the ability to do that, I
encourage them to do that as well.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Fare Ball, because we're late for the news, we have
to leave it there. But I appreciate the.

Speaker 7 (48:26):
Time, no problem than it.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Thanks time bye bye. All right, let's get break for
the news. Let we come back a ton of time
for you. Don't go away, welcome back to the show.
Let's go line Umber one. Say good morning to the
president of the Newfland Trailways. That's Rick now it's really
high wreck around the air tardy. How are you doing great?
How about you?

Speaker 10 (48:46):
I'm doing good too. Thanks for your opportunity to come on,
No problem, I just wanted to. I guess it's a
nerdy check this year.

Speaker 6 (48:53):
You know.

Speaker 10 (48:54):
I usually come on and talk a lot ice safety
and and what we've done with the new trailway, and
I guess with the snow and the cold temperatures, we
sort of bumped it up a few weeks. But certainly
like to remind the atv ors that and everybody that
the ice is certainly not safe. And believe it or not,
you know, we are getting a bit of ice. I

(49:16):
think it's the earliest that I've seen up around my
place in a long time. So, you know, just just
be cautious. It don't be the first one on us.
You know, we see every year that unfortunately somebody goes
through the ice at the beginning of the season and
at the at the end of the season, so I
certainly want to get the word out for that. Patty,

(49:37):
I basically called to talk about what we've done with
the Trailway Council this year. And we're at the end
of the year now for what we're doing, and the
Snowville guys are coming back on the trail now, so
I want to talk about I guess editus because the
some of the Federation do a phenomenal job of growing

(50:00):
the trails, the Trailway and their own trails, and this
time of year they're just getting it set up and
we see eighty years get on the trail and tear
it up, and a lot of these eighty years, I
guess they don't realize what they're doing, but they do.
You know, run the trails makes it hard for everybody else.

(50:22):
So for this asking show some respect for what these
groomer operators are doing, and these clubs like Discovery, some
of the club has just started roaming. I can't speak
for sure, but I'm pretty sure this is one of
the earliest times in a long time that they've been out.
So show some respect. The trailway itself is open to

(50:47):
everybody twelve months of the year, But that doesn't mean
that you can't you use your judgment and stay off
with the sections that to some of a Federation groom
So I want to get that out because, like I said,
we're all using us and we're certainly hoping that these
guys have a great season as well.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, better patience for the groomers is a good thing,
and I'll add to it is you know, I get
the concerns people shared when we talk about just general
snow clearing what have you, but get mad at the
plow operators probably not doing anything, not doing anything very
positive either. I mean they got a job to do. Yes,
I don't like it when the wing roll ends up
in my driveway, but hey, where's this not supposed to go?

Speaker 10 (51:29):
That's for sure. And at least said, you know, we
got we got to respect what those guys do. You know,
they're out all hours of the night doing it, so
you know, let's get them some room, but let's tear
up what they've done. And Patty, we've had a great
year with the new Flant railways, the out of province.
The trail permit has worked out very well. From us,

(51:50):
we sold a little over eight hundred permits and we
had about an eighty eight percent compliance, So thank you
to the people. You know, it came from out of
province and bought that the permit and bought into it,
you know, happily to be part of us. And because
of that we've done some great work. You know, we

(52:11):
redect ten bridges so far this year. We're pretty much
done now. I know the provincial parks are trying to
get a couple of bridges done at the beginning of
the gas, so hopefully the weather will work for those guys.
But we've done some brush clearing on the gas as well,
and a lot of that is all because of that farmersy.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Well, glad that had great year were can I appreciate
your time and please do not be the first one
on the ice until we really know that it's actually
solid and heavy and thick enough to actually accommodate. And
then there's ways to check it, and they're pretty fundamental.
You can eyeball it for color, but there's nothing quite
like using an augur and actually testing the thickness of
the ice period and then of course be aware of
some of the tributaries that are leading into different ponds

(52:58):
and legs two, because it's obviously going to be software
there than it would be elsewhere. So there you go.
Anything else this morning, wreck no.

Speaker 10 (53:05):
Patty, Just like you know, everybody'd be safe. Let's enjoy
the season. And then I'd like to thank everybody for
the support that they've given Trailway Council all over the year.
And like I said, let's hope everybody had a good,
safe Christmas.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Appreciate your time, Rick, thank you.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Thanks for your time. To Patty.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Pleasure on you too. Bye bye, keep here. Let's go
to line number two. Herb be around the air.

Speaker 11 (53:28):
Probly morning to you Patty at the top of the
morning to you, Yes, sir.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
I just had a little bit of information, Patty.

Speaker 11 (53:34):
I thought to share with you some something that would
I think cool, really good for our young people. We
sold a little property in Saint John's a couple of
weeks ago, and we found out that the people are
buying it actually had the five percent down payment from

(53:54):
the Newfoundland and Labrador Housing No. I don't think a
lot of people know about this. Most of the people
that are that are availing of it at the moment
are New Canadians, because I guess they're probably coming in
and they're inquiring'll have to go about a house, you know,
and they're actually getting this benefit. And apparently I don't

(54:15):
know all the injured out, but the lawyer did touch
on it, but I imagine if anybody wants to check
out it, they could later. But apparently the five percent
that they give to you for your for your down
payment and also up to fifteen hundred dollars for your clothing,
for your lawyer fees and all for your clothing, which
is probably about half right, And then apparently they take

(54:40):
apparently they take about five percent equity in your home
later on when it sells something like that. I'm sure
what it is, but apparently it's a pretty good deal,
and the young people know about it, they might take
advantage of them.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah, it is a good program.

Speaker 12 (54:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
And so they don't take an equity piece of your
home though, And the five percent is a repayable loan,
so you have to pay back and there's.

Speaker 11 (55:01):
A entwer three for five years.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
I believe.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yeah, I think you're right. And the grant for closing
costs is up to fifty percent and up to fifteen
hundred bucks. There's also an income threshold. I think it
maxes out at ninety five thousand dollars. You get the
maximum benefit at eighty five thousand dollars or less, and
then there's maximums for the value of the home too.
I don't know what it is else for in the province,
but in Saint John's three hundred and fifty thousand dollars

(55:25):
and you have to be a first time home buyer.
You have to be pre approved for the mortgage as well.

Speaker 11 (55:29):
Exactly. Yeah, that's what we found. And I thought, you know,
thinks something in or twenty is just starting to work
and looking for you know, maybe people that there don't
realize it. So I thought it kind of bring it
up just to refresh people's memory.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I'm glad you did. It's a very helpful program, there's
no doubt about it. You can actually double it or
couple it with some of the federal programs. So there's
a home buyer's program at the federal level that's regarding
things like withdrawals from your RSPs that could be used exactly. So, yeah,
there's some programs out there for the first time home buyer,
no doubt about a good program.

Speaker 11 (56:01):
So just you know, hopefully people to get a hold
of this and maybe it'll help U, even a couple
of people.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
It'll be good.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
I'm really pleased you did this, serve thanks a lot.

Speaker 11 (56:10):
Thank you very much, Patty, have a gat day.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
The same to you, bye bye. Yeah, that is a
helpful program, obviously, and there are some caveats, right, you
have to be preapproved for the mortgage. There are maximum
values for the property itself. So I'm three hundred and fifty
thousand dollars in Saint John's for sure. For rural parts
of the province, I think it's two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars. But yeah, it's a five percent repayable loan.

(56:36):
But there's a maximum there too. It's just over seventeen
thousand dollars I think is the max. You can't couple
it with the Home Buyers Program on the federal level,
and that's all about withdrawals out of your RSP for
the distinct purpose of a down payment on a home,
and so you have to be a first time home buyer.
So yeah, no, it's a helpful and I'm glad he
have made that call. Let's get a break in when
we come back, plenty show it for you. Don't go

(56:57):
away welcome back to the show. Let's go to Lene
of Force to get more to the chair of the
Ganderin area of Food Bank. That's Win's house, Hia Wins
here on the air.

Speaker 13 (57:04):
Hey, thanks for taking my call, Patty. I just like
to let everybody know in the Ganger area that we're
going to be doing the fundraisers tomorrow at mister T's
Ultimer So volunteers from the Food and be pumping gas
and accepted donations to fund our Christmas hampers and every
dollar donated it's going to be matched by the owners
that John and Patsy snow so fabulous community support there.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
My young fellow Jack used the popcast at mister T's.

Speaker 13 (57:31):
Right on, just just to give you an idea. I
just I know people know about you know, the cost
of everything increasing, but like we put a lot of
effort into our Christmas hampers and turkeys, everything's in there
for a Christmas dinner, and of course everybody knows prices
are gone through the roof, and you know we're expecting
the big increase in our hampers this year and we
give out roughly around one hundred and sixty five hampers

(57:51):
and Patty. Each one of those hampers costs US about
one hundred and sixty dollars. So the big chunk of
our yearly budget, you know, go builds into our Christmas hampers.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
And how much of that one hundred and fifty hampers,
What do you think the actual need is out there?

Speaker 13 (58:05):
Well, there's two there's two food banks here and GANN
and we're giving it probably around four hundred regular hampers,
around four hundred hampers a month and soluationary they're putting it.
So we're probably feeding probably maybe close to one thousand
people a month. Not feeding, I'm just helping them align.
And we probably say it's for every one person comes
into to the bank. I mean there's low wage earners

(58:27):
out there that don't even come. I mean pride or
whatever reason they don't show up. But I'd say we're
probably add out another probably five hundred people on that
that definitely need is there.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
For sure, it's extraordinary. And I say all the time
here we're in the perfect storm. The demand is up,
but the cost of living pressures on your donors is
obviously very very real. So consequently, some donations from some corners,
so some charities might be down at the exact same
time when the need is up. So all of these
efforts are critically important, and especially this time of year
for obvious reasons. So what else do you want the

(58:59):
people to know about what's going on, whether it be
with this one event, to mister T's or other ways
they can help.

Speaker 13 (59:05):
Well, you know, this is a big fundraiser for us,
and let's say mister T's is as well known for
they do a lot of donation to other different projects
other than us. But you know the best thing to
do is just come in, get your gas tomorrow and
make a donation, could be anything, any amount of money.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Well, you know we'll accept and.

Speaker 13 (59:25):
They'll they'll double for us. Right so, and you can
also give us a call at sixty five one three
sixty six one, and you know, give us a donation
over the phone. That's possible too if you can't make
it in. Okay, we serve the whole areas, not just Gander,
so it's Appleton right around the loop and Gander. We
don't turn anybody away. So that money, now, that'll help
us stretch our funds because right now funds are coming

(59:47):
in pretty good. You take February March. I mean, we've
got to stretch them dollars as far as we can
to get us into late into the new year.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Hopefully it's a huge success. When's good luck to you
and all the other organized Congratulations on the good work
you do.

Speaker 13 (01:00:02):
All everybody, and thanks for taking my calls. Much appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
My pleasure when to stay in touchd byce Wind's house,
the chair of the Gander and Area Food Bank. These
types of fundraising efforts, I know that people here and
feel the demands and it's not the purpose is just
sharing the information. And of course when and if times
are tidy in your house and you're unable to make
a donation, understood, totally get it. Just picking up on

(01:00:27):
something that I said off the top of the show
and a comment that came in via email, is I
was just curious as to what beyond the fact that
Tom Osborne says that Mark Carony is more favorable to
all development, that all of a sudden he feels more
bullish about Beta North eventually getting greenlit a final investment decision.
That's what I should have said from Equinor and someone said,

(01:00:48):
but why wouldn't Beta nor be in the Major Office,
Major Project's Office. Given the fact that now there's an
MoU a non binding memoran with understanding between Alberta and
the federal government, and that's all about three things. It's
about a bitchman pipeline carry up about a million barrels
a day to be offloaded on BC's North coast, Okay.

(01:01:09):
But they say, you know, why can't that be leveraged
to use for federal investment in Beta Nord. Well, a
couple of things. Number one, as currently it's written that
pipeline has to be privately financed and privately paid for.
So that's one big difference because we're not talking about
at this moment of time the Fed's putting cash into

(01:01:29):
Beta Nord and nor are the Feds talk about putting
cash into that pipeline. In addition to that, these are
things that were agreed upon by the Alberta government Premier
Daniel Smith. Is that with the caveats of consultation, that
plus the increase in their industrial carbin tax by a
factor of six, and yes, money's for the Pathways Alliance
what might end up being the largest carbon capture and

(01:01:51):
sequestration facility in the world. I made a comment last
week that that's not a brook Field entity and it's not. Look,
the industry and the province have been looking for an
injection of cash into Pathways for a long time. It's
a CONSORTI of six companies I think six companies involved
with Pathways Alliance, so Sonovas, Knago, Phillips, meg Suncore, Canadian

(01:02:15):
Natural Resources Limited, which of course are the six biggest players.
They represent about ninety five percent of production in the
oil science. They were looking for money and someone took
me to task about by Brookfield comment. Brookfield does not
have any direct investment in Pathways Alliance. But yes, Brookfield
absolutely has one hundreds of millions of dollars invested in
the company. A company called Entropy. Entropy is actually behind

(01:02:36):
the technology of carbon capture and storage, but not just
for the Pathways Alliance facility in Alberta. That's a technology
that's being used by various companies in various countries about
carbon capture and carbon sequestration. So yes, there's a possibility
for people holding Brookfield, which is a lot of people,
considering that between the two Brookfield entities they manage about

(01:02:56):
a trillion dollars worth of assets. So right, Brookfield has
there's no direct involvement or investment in Pathways Alliance, but
they have investment in a company called Entropy, which is
a tech company. So yeah, fair enough, let's keep pro there.
Let's go to line number one. Keith here on the
airy Patty.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Okay? How about you?

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Oh good? What was the name of that program that
the Gentleman was just on. You're talking about buying houses.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
It's it's simply called the First Time Home Buyers Program.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Okay, that's with New Flann Housing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
If you go to New Fland Laborador Housing Corporation's website,
that's where the applications could be filed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Okay, thank you very much. Keep up to good work, daddie. Everybody.
I'm newse to Land, love you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I think I wouldn't go that far, but I appreciate
your call. Rick Keith, pardon me, thanks for doing it.
Have a good one you too, Bye bye. Yeah, that
program has been around for a little while. There's all
some monies out there to modify and renovate your house,
especially in the pot for seniors. Then there's the concept
of adding a second unit to your property, which comes

(01:04:03):
with someone here in value, and I think the grant
there is up to forty thousand dollars, but that first
time home buyers look for a first time home buyer
someone who was in that position. These programs can be
especially helpful. So federally it's simply called the home Buyer's Program,
home Bar's plan, pardon me, and that's all about our
sp withdrawals makes it more affordable. You can bridge the

(01:04:25):
down payment to shortcomings, because one of the things that
keeps people out of the housing market is not that
they can't necessarily afford the mortgage payment, is that they're
having a hard time coming up with the down payment.
Right because many people, in many circumstances, your monthly mortgage
payments on say, for instance, threehundred fifty thousand dollars house
can absolutely be less over the course of a twenty

(01:04:46):
five or thirty year amortization period, less than what you're
paying in rent. The problem is coming up the down payment,
and then consequently, home ownership comes with additional expenses as well,
insurance and on down the line, like there's always something
that you're spending money on the house. So yeah, it
can be helpful and I get it. What I'll add
to it is that we have a supply issue. So

(01:05:07):
while governments are trying to help the first time home buyers,
and I don't begrudge them whatsoever, whether it be the
government or people availing out the programs, but it is
gitting up the demand when we have a supply problem.
I mean, we've talked about it endlessly here. The need
to build homes is demonstrably obvious to anybody who's looking
around the problems around the country. So yeah, we can

(01:05:28):
talk about Build Canada Homes, a program which is a
special operating agency, which sounds like it's going to hopefully
make some sort of difference, but the forecasted number of
builds compared to the reality, they're not even in the
same conversation. So in addition to that, we don't even
know how Build Canada Homes works. It's not even going
to kick into whatever operations look like until next year.

(01:05:50):
So yeah, making demand even larger with access to these
support programs for first time home buyers is not necessarily
with the supply, because that's the problem. We have a
supply problem here. The trick and all these talk about builds,
some of it's going to be at the municipal level
where they really need to make things more streamlined and

(01:06:13):
efficient for permits and approvals and the like. And at
the same time we can talk about building all the
units we want. And the country got away from building
affordable housing and certainly above building affordable rentals a long
time ago. Now it's a measure of economic success. You know,
home starts, our home building starts is one of the
ways we measure the strength of the economy. But hitting

(01:06:34):
the affordability target, that's going to be the magic trick.
You can talk about build Canada homes and provincial government
programs for building and some of the hst breaks on
building multi unit buildings and the lake. But if it
costs in and around two seventy five three hundred bucks
per square foot to build, just based on current rates

(01:06:55):
for skilled labor and for materials what have you, how
does that translate to affordability and affordability generally the definition
we use is thirty percent of your net income. So
to hit that number is going to be a magic
trick because at this moment in time, because you know,
it's not just talking about building the traditional detached family home.

(01:07:16):
You know we're going to be building more duplexes and
triplexes and quad plexes and big higher rise apartment buildings.
But can we actually hit the affordability. That's going to
be the trick. Yes, it takes too long from thought
to design to execution to actually build a home, regardless

(01:07:36):
of the factors of duplex, triplex in otherwise, but to
hit Canadians thirty percent of their net income on rent
or mortgage. That's where we're going to find ourselves in
a bit of a pick. I think it's going to
check in out on the Twitter box where VOSM open line.
You can follow us there, email addresses open ONNEFIOCM dot com.
And like that caller Herb who called in to talk

(01:07:57):
about the First Time home Buyer's program, obviously Keith. So
that's where the massive benefit of the listener and your
contribution as a potential caller really does come to pass.
And so go down Herb for doing it, and hopefully
Keith is going to be helped by this or something
that belonged to Keith. Let's get a break in today's
good day to get on the show. If you're in
and around town seven zero nine two seven three five

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Welcome back to the show. As you've heard me say,
I wish some emailers would become callers just so we
can have a conversation elaborate on points being made. And

(01:08:39):
this is about the announcement yesterday from the Immigration minister
about foreign trained doctors, and the emailer just basically said,
it's a terrible idea, Okay, terrible how again just for
the purpose conversation. So the announcement go something like this,
foreign trained doctors who have had at least one year
of experience in the last three years in this country

(01:09:02):
are going to get a fourteen day work permit processing
on a fast tracked permanent residency and so consequently more
likely to stay. Then, in addition to that five thousand
federal admission spots on top of the provincial nominee program
what we reserved for problemss and territories nominate licensed doctors
with job offers. So again the ability for the country

(01:09:23):
to produce the number of doctors needed, because the most
recent estimate is five point nine million Canadians without access
to primary care. So it's obviously not just doctors. It
could be nurse practitioners as well. So if you just
want to elaborate, and I did reply to the emailer
about how so why is it terrible? Because if there's
seventeen medical schools in the country and every seat is

(01:09:43):
highly competitive, and every single seat in every medical school
in the country is filled, so about retaining those upon
graduation is part of the conversation. But you can't magically
train an additional five thousand plus doctors with the number
of medical schools seats we have, so we'll there be
some language concerns into the future possibly, but being foreign

(01:10:04):
trained doesn't mean you don't speak English. Because one of
the conversations we've had is how many Canadians who have
trained abroad at med school because they couldn't get into
a Canadian medical school. So whether it be go to
a Trinity College in Dublin or whatever, they get the training,
then they end up not coming back. Why because they
can't get a residency position. Because the graduates of the

(01:10:25):
seventeen Canadian medical schools are given Priority four residency positions.
So I think trying to add more doctors to the fault.
And again, foreign trained doesn't mean and nor should it mean,
that you don't come from an accredited medical school, right,
And we can decompile a list of those medical schools
that have similar levels of training and competencies given to

(01:10:48):
and educated to these doctors in this case. But again,
if you think it's a terrible idea, a bit more
elaboration on why it's terrible would be helpful. Let's keep
your own here. I saw a new story or this week,
and I'm not so sure what to make given the
fact that there's a yet to be certified class action
in the process, and this is about the contaminated wells

(01:11:09):
in a portion of Torbay. The federal governor said they
assume no liability on this front, even though Transport candidate
is responsible for all these firefighting exercises in airports that
they regulate across the country and that included the use
of p fast Forever chemicals. Join us online number one
is one of the folks behind this class action. Get
to be certified and Torbay is Eddie Share and good

(01:11:30):
morning Eddie, you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Good morning Patty, how are you best?

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Kind? How about you all?

Speaker 14 (01:11:36):
I'm doing all right, just you know, weather's been a
little busy, no.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Doubt it has been that way. Yeah, we'll get into
the weather business here now in a second. But you know,
I think this was always predictable because this yet to
be tested in courts, so we don't know what the
outcome will be. But what was your initial reaction when
the Fed's pretty much said, hey, it's not our.

Speaker 14 (01:11:53):
Fault, you know, definitely frustrating, but not surprised, you know,
from my guess see the legal standpoint, but you kind
of mentioned that, you know, before you brought me on,
is you know, is on the official side on the
statement of defense that the federal government has filed and
response to the proposed class you know, they're saying they're

(01:12:15):
not liable.

Speaker 13 (01:12:16):
They go on to say that.

Speaker 14 (01:12:18):
You know, they deny that the the p facts.

Speaker 8 (01:12:21):
Basically left the airport property.

Speaker 14 (01:12:23):
But at the same time, Transport Canada is doing what
they can do and doing the right thing, and they
are testing well, they are supplying bottled water to you know,
dozens of households in the area, and.

Speaker 8 (01:12:34):
So it's it's a very.

Speaker 14 (01:12:37):
Interesting, I guess juxtaposition. On the one hand, they're denying it,
on the other hand, it seems like they're admitting liability
at least in some respect by continuing to test, continuing
to deliver bottled water, and then also testing you know,
fairly expensive p fact filtration systems in some households in
the area. So I'm not fully sure.

Speaker 15 (01:12:55):
Now I'm not a lawyer, as.

Speaker 14 (01:12:56):
We know, I understand like the strategy there. You know,
I would have loved to see a bit more willingness
to work on a solution instead of just a flat
out denial.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Yeah, because neither of my lawyer. But there are differences
definition in so far as definitions go between liability, responsibility, culpability.
So we'll let the lawyers hash that much out. But
you're right, and it's exactly how I read the news story.
They assume no liability, but yet they continue to provide
testing and bottle water and the exploration of p fast

(01:13:30):
filtration system So it can't be both.

Speaker 14 (01:13:32):
I don't think no, And that's that's my position on
it as well. And you know, the lawyer and the
Alex Templeton on this case and McInnis Cooper feels the
same way obviously. You know, it's it's a very frustrating
situation and you know, part of their I think statement
of defense was along the lines of, you know, they're

(01:13:52):
not this isn't causing anyone in the area to not
enjoy their property. And you know, to that, I basically say,
you know, come on over to my house. You know,
let's let's have a cup of tea from my contaminated well.

Speaker 8 (01:14:05):
First of all, we'll see if you drink it.

Speaker 14 (01:14:07):
And second of all, we can talk about how I've
been on bottled water for two years. Every single day
I'm impacted by this, and I'm not alone. There are
hundreds of families in a Torbay Loggibaate Middicov area that
are impacted by this as it's ever expanding, and it's
very frustrating to have you know, action happen very slowly
and then from the federal government to again, you know,

(01:14:29):
fight residents of this country on you know, essentially a
rite of clean water. And I know, you know, this
area isn't the only area dealing with with water issues.
There's many in the province, there's many in the country.
But it doesn't mean it's not important.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Right, Yeah, And another complicating factor here is that these
chemicals were present in the water before people knew so,
and it comes with some distinct health risks. Do we
know anything about any of the continued monitoring of any
of these health risks, whether it be prostate, kidney cancer,
different issue is with bone variations, behavioral changes. How close

(01:15:02):
are these things being monitored.

Speaker 15 (01:15:05):
That's a great question.

Speaker 14 (01:15:06):
And you know, if you if you speak to Alex
about it, you know, there's definitely a risk of health
complications if you're exposed to this stuff, you know, over
a long time or a short time. It really depends,
you know, what the contamination level is. But at this
point that's not what we're that's not what the lawsuit
is about. And that's also very hard to prove. And

(01:15:27):
you know, it's harder. It's easier for the government to say,
you know, you're not sick because of this. It's harder
for them to say, you know, this this stuff that
happens to be and you're well, didn't migrate off airl
for a property. It's just a huge coincidence, which is
it's a bit ridiculous in my in my opinion with

(01:15:50):
respect to that. But there are certainly some health risks,
you know, and just circling back to that, you know,
and This goes back to the German of property, right.
Like my my girls are little, we give them baths
every day, they have to have baths or showers, and
I always wonder, you know, we're told that this stuff
doesn't absorb through your skin in water, but maybe it does.

(01:16:11):
And so that's also something that weighs on me every day,
along with not being able to drink or use the
water from my sink for anything that's you know, cooking
or drinking or anything along those sorts, washing fruit for instance.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Yeah, I mean there's reproductive effects as well from extended
exposure to pece fast. Any idea about timelines for certification.

Speaker 14 (01:16:34):
And the like, That's something I've spoke to Alex about
at length. I think there's a case management meeting coming
up next month in January, and I think at that
point we'll have a better idea of what timelines look
like in certification.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
That being said, I do not expect this to be
a fast process.

Speaker 14 (01:16:56):
I would I would hope that they want to fix
the issue and we can start talking about that rather
than fighting for the next several years in court about
something ultimately they're responsible for.

Speaker 8 (01:17:08):
So, but that's what the lawyers are going to figure
out well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Fair enough, it can be a lengthy, arduous process, that's
for sure. Very quick on the weather front, how are
things going every since you left your job on air?

Speaker 14 (01:17:21):
Things are going well, Patti.

Speaker 15 (01:17:23):
Thank you for asking.

Speaker 14 (01:17:24):
You know, it's certainly it's a new world, you know,
being essentially a small business owner, but there is a
there is a tremendous thirst for weather information in this
province that hasn't changed. And you know, I'm just doing
that in a bit of a different way right now.
But I'm getting a lot of satisfaction from doing the
weather how i'd like to do it, and and and

(01:17:46):
I know I'm reaching you know, a significant portion of
the population New for and Land Laborator with that weather
info and with the weather being co active over the
last couple of weeks, it's certainly been a good test
for the platform and for myself. And the days are long,
but you know, I love a huge passion to cover
the weather here and I'm enjoying it pretty.

Speaker 11 (01:18:03):
Well every day.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Appreciate your time, Eddie, Thanks for doing it, Stay in touch.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Thanks, Patty, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Bye bye. Yeah, the weather And maybe I should have
said this, Dady, although I don't feel the need to
be mean. How close did the weather forecast come to
be in accurate last night? Feels like we got more
snow than I was expecting, And certainly I thought the
winds were going to be howling last night, but it
was pretty calm in the big scheme of things. The
snow is just gently falling in our neighborhood. I don't

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know where it was in the rest of the province.
Let's get a break in, let me come back, plenty
of a show for you. Don't go away, Welcome back
to the show. Let's go to line number one caller
around the air.

Speaker 16 (01:18:40):
Hello, Paddy. He yeah, I just wanted to give a
shout out to Eddy there. You're you're talking about the
weather there and last night in the Windings and that,
and I didn't Getty was a bit right. I agree
that it might have been a pretty steady snow fall
there where you're at, But I'm here on heavy Tree
Road and we got golf stiff over one hundred there

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last night. And I tell you he nailed it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Yeah, fair enough. And as I mentioned, I have no
idea what it was like anywhere else, just in my
own neighborhood. Last night and it was pretty calm. I
got up for you in the middle of the night
to looked out the window. Snow was just gently falling
straight down. And I'm pleased enough with that. I don't
need the big snow drifts.

Speaker 9 (01:19:18):
Oh, I dare say.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
We're here in the wind tunnel.

Speaker 16 (01:19:21):
And I tell you she was golfty. I just wanted
to give a shout out with the old lady there
and got bless them and uh, you have a great day.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
You too, Thanks for the call. Oh byebye.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
There are certain places that are absolute one hundred percent
wind tunnels. One of them is where we play golf,
Pally Haley in that club alley Valley, no matter what
it's like anywhere else. Stand on the first tea there
the winds in your face and blowing hard. Let's go
to line number two. Doc. You're on the air.

Speaker 17 (01:19:48):
Hi, how are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
That's kind today?

Speaker 9 (01:19:51):
You ask?

Speaker 17 (01:19:51):
Good bye, Merry Christmas, Happy good one you too. I
just wanted to make your listeners, I guess, and yourself, Teddy.
Maybe you're aware of it already. But another scam that's
going on recently I've affected me in the last ten
days or so, involving Bell Bell Canada, and essentially people

(01:20:17):
need to be aware of the fact that they'll they'll
get a call and Carl will be from somebody identifying
himself for herself as a representative of Bell, and they
will promise you discounts on your Bell Alliant accounts, sligeable
discounts two thirty and your Bell accounts, whether it be

(01:20:42):
Alliant accounts or mobility accounts. And then they will they
will tell you that this is a private loyalty.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Offer and.

Speaker 17 (01:20:56):
Not to give any detail to Bell, and they give
you another number then to call Bell in order to
start the process. And I guess it's winning. If you
start the process. The only thing I can figure that
the hook will come out and they'll ask you for

(01:21:16):
certain information because they will tell you as you make
your initial call to Bell, there will probably be a
charge from Bell, and not to worry about it, because
when you make the second call back to then they
will refund that particular charge and start the process that

(01:21:39):
will give you the discounts that they promised. And I
guess it's probably there where they'll ask you for banking
information in order to refund you the money that.

Speaker 8 (01:21:51):
You spent.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
With Bell, and for most people, they'll already know what
your banking information is. It's like everything else there. If
you get something that's unsolicited and it's offering something that
feels good, whether it be financially speaking or otherwise, just
contact the company directly because if they owe you money,
if there's a rebate program you can avail of, you'll
be able to ascern that by just calling a customer

(01:22:15):
representative out widever company including Bell. Don't fall for the
unsolicited stuff.

Speaker 17 (01:22:20):
Yeah, And the interesting thing, you know, I that is
I didn't And I got a second call last night
about supper time, and this TEP identified himself as being
a representative of Bell, and I stopped them there and
I said, well, how do I know you're really from Bell?

(01:22:40):
And he said, well, I am sir. He said, I
have the authority of Bell. And I said, well, are
you aware of the fact that there's a Bell scam
going around at least Saint John's and maybe New Flan
Labrador right now? And as soon as I said that,
there was a click and that was the end.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Of the car.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Yeah, they don't want to be challenged.

Speaker 5 (01:23:07):
No.

Speaker 17 (01:23:08):
No. The other thing, Patty, I heard a little while
ago I was out dealing with a little bit of
so and did I hear Tom Davis, counselor Davis say
that when the budget comes down next week he felt
residents were not going to be very happy with.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
It pretty much?

Speaker 17 (01:23:28):
Yeah, so I can only read that as a possible tax.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Increase probably so so, I mean people asked me, why
didn't I ask him about why we're not going to
be happy? Because he's not going to tell me anything.
That's basically why I didn't waste any time, Because all
counselors are not going to spill the beans before the
budget is released.

Speaker 17 (01:23:48):
Yeah, sometimes they spill the beans without spilling the beans
like Tom did this morning. Because it can only be
a mid rate increase or you got an increase in
your assessment, or your water tax is going to go
off ye, or any combination thereof, in addition to additional

(01:24:11):
fees that may be churched for different services. That's it.
I mean, that's where the city revenue originates.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
So you know what.

Speaker 17 (01:24:24):
Yes, not to put words in Tom's mouth, but he
was kind of letting the public, preparing the public for
some form of tax increase. I would think otherwise he
wouldn't be happy. He'd be really happy if there was
no increase.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
There's only so many leavers at the city computed to
make my life more miserable financially speaking. And we all
have our proper assessments in hand, so mine didn't go
up dramatically to see a dramatic increase. Now I'm guessing
that there's a milerate adjustment upwards, maybe even on the
commercial side. Water fees probably going up. And I don't

(01:25:02):
want to make people nervous because I'm not involved in
the process. I have nor with the idea what's going on.
But to be told that there's going to be some pain,
there's only so many ways they can inflict it well.

Speaker 17 (01:25:14):
And the thing is, as you know, Paddy, I mean,
the cost of living is escalating.

Speaker 6 (01:25:21):
People.

Speaker 17 (01:25:21):
A lot of people are into very high mortgage rates
you as you've indicated over the past few days, a
fairly sizeable increase in the cost of food coming up
in twenty twenty six, So a lot of people in
the city are the last thing they need is another
hit from city hall. We did have a hit last year.

(01:25:44):
We had a tax increase last year and we had
a water tax increased last year. So you know, if
city hall is going to take a second run at
the population and be betting two out of two for
tax increases, then I can understand why Tim is saying

(01:26:05):
people are going to be upset, and I do hope
they will be very, very upset. I mean, city Hall
has to realize that, yes, they have responsibilities, and they
have a certain amount of revenue and budget has to
meet those responsibilities or the responsibilities need to be reduced somewhat.
But the city has realized too that a lot of

(01:26:26):
people are hurting financially here and even a small hit
will be a major hit for a whole lot of people.
So you know, they have until Monday to bring down
the budget. So they got a week or a little
less than a week, and maybe they should get together
over the next few days and do what they can

(01:26:49):
do to either extremely reduced whatever they're anticipating, or eliminated
all together. I don't want to hear what they're Last
year from a city elected city official when the tax
increase was announced and he kind of minimized it by saying, well,

(01:27:13):
you know, it's only twenty dollars a month, and what
fleshed through my mind was, well, hang on a second, Now,
twenty dollars a month, even on average, is two hundred
and forty dollars a year, So you know, you're taking
a good bit of money out of people's pockets, many
of whom cannot afford it. And again it was only

(01:27:35):
an average that the the person was quoting, But you
know there were people for whom the tax increase was
a heck of a lot more than twenty dollars a month.
You may be one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Probably, Yeah, Minimizing any additional financial burden is very unhelpful.
And you know, even with the most recent increase, I
can get where municipalities are somewhat hamstrung with the legislative
requirement of balancing budgets and those types of things, even
though there's some floating capital expenses that you can play

(01:28:12):
some crafty accounting with. But if we're talking about a
pretty big fleet renewal for snow removal and garbage collection
and what not, I get that. But even at that
same time, I'm thinking there's predictable ways to manage fleets
that don't come up and needing to replace a bunch
of plows and trucks at the same time. So yeah,
I mean, you're right.

Speaker 17 (01:28:33):
I mean there's ways to do it. I've been there
and done that, and been on both sides and over
my career at city hall, and you know, and I mean,
don't minimize them. If you're going to hit us with
a tax increase, let's just say, look, your water tanks
is going up fifty or one hundred dollars a year,

(01:28:53):
and your property tax has gone up four hundred dollars
a year. Don't make it out to be thirty dollars
a month. I mean nice, how nice? How department stores
and businesses try and sell you things cars included. You know,
you only have to pay X number of dollars bi
weekly or bi monthly, minimizing the whole reality. Yeah, but

(01:29:17):
at the end of the month and at the end
of the year, I'd paid a lot of money that
I didn't really have or anticipate having to spend.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Understood, Doc. I ever to get to the news that
I appreciate the time.

Speaker 17 (01:29:29):
Okay, have a good Christmas, study you too, all the
best you and your family thanks to saving yours.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Bye bye, all right, just get a break in, want
me come back. A lot of show left for you.
The topic entirely up to you don't go away.

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Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to number three. Kathy,
you're on the air.

Speaker 18 (01:30:03):
Hi, Patty, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
I'm okay? How about you good?

Speaker 18 (01:30:07):
I just want to say about the displays there on
houses and they just went out a lot, you know,
for Christmas and all that. But my thing is coming
down the parkway. You know, I'm captivated every time I
passed Confederation Billine halfway down Prince Hill of Drive with

(01:30:28):
the lights. Now the other day I found myself starting
to veer over in the other lane and this is
what got my attention. Danny Breen and Danny Williams had
a controversy there a few years ago about having the
Christmas tree out in Galway.

Speaker 12 (01:30:43):
Do you know what that was about?

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Not?

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Really, it was about whether or not you were allowed
to put something in the middle of a roundabout because
it impeded your ability to see the entirety of the roundabout.
I'm pretty sure that's what it was.

Speaker 7 (01:30:56):
Okay, Now that's why I'm getting my points across.

Speaker 18 (01:30:59):
So you tell me you're driving down front of printill
up Drive right from the beginning and right down halfway
down to the parkway is up beautiful, But I do
have to say it really puts me into Christmas tears.
Well when you're starting to very over to another lane
something something's wrong? Right, Okay, do you think about that?

Speaker 16 (01:31:20):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Well, I just want to make sure I understand the question.
So are you saying people of.

Speaker 18 (01:31:25):
Having a tree out there in god Way roundabout the
still signs saying Neil stops or whatever. Now, people, I
guess have been doing another until we calling the accidents
of being at the to a Christmas tree. But to
say it's not right out there because it's in a
bad spot, you're going to you know, probably because an

(01:31:47):
excellent it's safer out there, and it's in the parkway.
It's most big part of the parkway there is down.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Yeah, okay, I just want to make sure I understand
the question. So are you saying people are very high
of the lane because of the Christmas lights?

Speaker 15 (01:32:02):
Yep?

Speaker 18 (01:32:03):
Well, you know, someone and on the first one to
say I've done it because I've been so I see
it so nice to look at, right, And next thing
you know, I'm grabbing a veel. I just get taken
away from just the rights and the way to get
it done. So I don't know what the difference is
between that, which is more dangerous, I think than a

(01:32:24):
Christmas tree in a roundabout out and go away.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Yeah, well, I mean I would add a few things
to that, even some of the things like billboards, like
some of them that are so bright you can't help
but have a look at them. Certainly here on came
Out road that's the case, but I try to, you know,
I suppose same could be said for being aware of
your surroundings. If you're driving through a residential neighborhood and
people got their homes nicely decorated, and you're that's what
you're out doing, looking at houses that are decorated, and

(01:32:50):
who knows what might jump out of the someone's driveway,
like a car or a cat or a kid.

Speaker 18 (01:32:56):
Okay, now let's that's what I'm going to say. Now,
you said the people go out looking and look at
the nice Tom said, I don't know, but they're going
not looking chances that are going to be more cautious
because they know what they're going to face. Well, you're
coming down that parkway and all of a sudden, you're
all these lights are are shining on you. You know,

(01:33:18):
you got to shake your head, especially if they go
against Kenny Williams. All you want to do is put
the three out there, one tree in one spot where
there's about six ingle lines. And and Danny Breen wouldn't
allow to be put out there. You know, it's you know,
it's you know, just protet right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Yeah, I'm trying to recall exactly what the issue was
between U Construction, Danny and Danny.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
I think it was brought to a line of sight.

Speaker 18 (01:33:48):
Yeah, yeah, And I don't know, Like I said, you
find a difference between the parkway and and go away.
Had no signs in front of variation between the slow
down or ye o or concentrate on the road. Different
mind the lights because the devis case why I spend
thousands of dollars putting lights, breaking up converation. But in

(01:34:11):
fact way, if you're you're gonna may cause an excellent
all it takes once a bit thick if you do
for your wheels to turn.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Yeah, fair enough. I suppose the role of thumb should
be eyes forward and look way down the road, as
opposed to just look at your hood ornament.

Speaker 18 (01:34:32):
It is true, and and Danny Breen shout out to
him and then Williams. Danny Breen should have thought about
that before he prevented Danny Williams putting a tree one
tree out. Golly, it's just it just doesn't it don't
It just it doesn't seem right. Yeah, I just think
the actual I'm sure you know that Danny Williams and

(01:34:53):
Danny Breen has been added for a while with the horns, right,
and you know you have a cause way it is right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Yeah, I suppose. I think that the rules were actually
in place. I don't know if Danny Breen was doing
anything that enforcing what was actually on the books. Now,
could there be a way for Danny Williams to have
a Christmas tree and the go away roundabout? I suppose,
I mean, I'll add to it. People still have a
hard time navigating those bloody roundabouts. I don't really know why.

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They're not all that complicated, but I have people tell
me all the time that they resist going out there
because of the roundabouts, when roundabouts are pretty proven way
to calm traffic.

Speaker 18 (01:35:32):
Yeah, I don't know if they can't get the next
for it, or it's just too many signs as But
like I said, all kinds of signs.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
I think people get nervous.

Speaker 18 (01:35:42):
I get nervous. Yes, so some people don't even want
to let go. We needn't want to get home. Yeah, right,
So anyway, I just thought that you know, it's and
I do believe to light out and the fact way
they are beautiful done up in and you know, just
be more at it. The caution, you know, gooding your

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eyes gooing, your eyes to the road, and Patty to
have a guys for whatever at the city hall or
what crab terrible I look.

Speaker 12 (01:36:13):
Look down the.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
I appreciate the call, Kathy, you take your care alrighty
you too?

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
Okay, but.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Yeah, I'm not even sure I've driven that schurch of
the parkway since the lights have been up. I try
to avoid the parkway to be honest. I mean, it's
just fits and starts the hallway down if one red
light you hit them all certainly feels that way anyway,
all right, Robin's in the queue to talk snow tires,
but we're only thirty seconds away from the break, So Rob,
you hanged up. We'll get his thoughts on it. I
don't know if he's picking up on what I'm laying

(01:36:44):
down regarding mandatory or the conversation surrounding the possibility for
mandatory snow tires. I think there's only one one problems
in the country that doesn't, and I'm pretty sure that's Quebec.
Quebec's a bit of an outlier on a bunch of things, though,
aren't they all right? So let's check in on the Twitter.
We're a vosim open. You can follow us there offer
your questions and commentary, suggestions and or our criticisms. You

(01:37:05):
can also do it via email. Let's open on AFOCM
dot com. I'm want to go back. We speak with
Rob about snow attires, and then you about whatever you
want to talk about. Donk away clock it back to
the program. Let's go to line number one. Rob, you're
on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Good morning, Graddy, How are you doing great? How about you?
Good ahead?

Speaker 9 (01:37:22):
Good?

Speaker 15 (01:37:23):
I have to disagree with you on the tires, no problem,
I've been driving all season tires all my life and I'm,
you know, pretty much around your age, and I've driven
across Canada three four times now in my vehicles, different vehicles,

(01:37:49):
and I've never had an issue. I don't think there
should be any mandatory tire issues as long as you
drive road conditions. You know, it's it's it's it's just
a simple fact.

Speaker 9 (01:38:05):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:38:05):
Studded tires don't mean a thing here because if you've
got all that slush and snow in between, they're not
doing nothing. They're just tearing up a road.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
Yeah, some people swear by them. I mean, there's pros
and cons to studless and studied tires. Certainly the studless tires,
the regular winter tire are certainly much more versatile, you know, obviously,
so for the conditions here in Saint John's, a stud
less tire, regular winter tire is infinitely better than a

(01:38:39):
studded tire. And you're right, there is road damage because
of studded tires, But some people just swear by. If
you've got really hard packed snow or icy conditions, a
stud can absolutely be beneficial. Generally speaking, a regular winter
tire is superior, just right of just based on the
way the weather doesn't cooperate here in the city, but

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there's it's demonstrably true that winter tires are better in
winter conditions than all seasons.

Speaker 15 (01:39:05):
Though no, not not really, Like I said, I've I've
all my life, I've never driven on a winter tire before,
and I've traveled across the country a number of times
in all different weathers.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
And everything like that.

Speaker 15 (01:39:22):
But as long as you drive to a road condition,
there's you're not going to have a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
Well, there's a few. I mean, hey, it's up to you.
You do it as you see fit. But there's some
distinct concerns with temperature. An all season has hard or rubber,
and when it falls below seven degrees then these the
all seasons even become less cooperative.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
With the road.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
And in addition to that, the treads on an all
season are much much less deep than a snow tire,
so very quickly you're all seasons the treads are full
of snow and blocked with snow, and even just a
different tread formation. But hey, I mean, if you want
to drive with all seasons, who might I have tell.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
You not to?

Speaker 15 (01:40:05):
Yeah, But you know, like I you know, like I said,
I've driven I lived in Fort McMurray and I that's
all I ever drive on was all seasoned tires, and
the temperatures there are a lot different than here, and
I never had an issue. Okay, I never spun out

(01:40:26):
or anything like that. As long as you drive to
the road conditions and you know what's going on. Hey,
if there's some snowstorm coming on, just don't drive. It's
pretty simple.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Well, some people don't have a choice, like regardless about
the conditions where I had to come to work this morning,
and so again, if people have the option to not
travel because of road conditions, that's great, But some people
there's just simply no choice. You drive when you gotta drive, Rob,
So you've never had snow tires on, Are you considering
one of these winters to give it a shot to

(01:40:58):
see just how much better your car handle?

Speaker 15 (01:41:01):
No, not at all, I know nothing. I will never
ever switch as long as you've got a decent set
of tires like now, and like you've said before, like
people are out there on slicks, you know, like of
course they're not gonna work. You're not on a racetrack,
and uh, you know, you just gotta you know, just

(01:41:22):
make it work, you know, Like I can drive from
here to Saint John's. I'm out in CBS and there's
never an issue.

Speaker 9 (01:41:33):
Okay.

Speaker 15 (01:41:34):
I drive to the road conditions and just you know,
make it work.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
So you're you're a nay in mandatory snow tire conversations.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
Absolutely, I.

Speaker 15 (01:41:53):
Will never ever have them on, fair enough, as long
as you've got a decent set of tires on, like
I'm and like you said before, like you know, people
are driving around and slicks you know, I'm you know,
the decent set of tires on. Yeah, and like I said,
all season, I have never ever had a problem and

(01:42:15):
tone trailers and toning this and and going across Canada
and never ever had a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
Okay, and I'm glad to hear that. But do me
a solid and let me know when you're going to
be around cam Out Road in a bad winter day,
I'll make sure to wait for you to pass through.

Speaker 15 (01:42:33):
Well, I'll stop in and see it and then we'll
go for a ride.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
I appreciate the call, Rob, thanks a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
Okay, thanks everybody, all right, man, bye bye?

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
Yeah, look again, some people just simply swear by a
start of tire doesn't matter what part of the problems
they live in, like in areas where you get a
lot of hard packed now, then I get it. But
because of course the studs just for the padently obvious
studs have an easier job breaking through hard packs snow
then not stud of tires. And there's absolutely plenty of

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documentation about the damage that studs caused. I mean, obviously,
if you're riding on high packed snow, studs aren't damaging
the road. But winter conditions change from snow covered roads
to bear roads. I mean, there'd be plenty times this
winter where the roads will be an absolute one hundred
percent bear And if you can hear the whirr of
the stud of tires on the pavement, inevitably those studs

(01:43:25):
are hurting the roads. And look, I understand, I got
people close to me who they couldn't care less. They
get studied tires and that's what they rely on, that's
what they believe in, and so be it. But there
is absolutely a damage to the road conversation associated with
the studs. Right right, let's keep going. Line number two
Lotto you around the air, Good morning morning to you,

(01:43:48):
Thanks for taking me call buddy anytime.

Speaker 17 (01:43:52):
Talking about studed toires and good trade ay like like
Buddy was saying. I was on call. I worked in
the stock rom I beyond call on the weekends. I
got a call round two o'clock, at one o'clock, three o'clock,
four o'clock blizzard on eh not fine weather. I never

(01:44:13):
ever had stuck tires. I changed. I had a good tread,
a snow tire. Not all seasons, but snowtire. I got
to work. I had a half an hour to go
through the stock. Rob Main clinama, I live in deepoint
right then and now I mean clarabal read now, I
don't care. We had a girl. She was the first

(01:44:38):
time there, told ka Ra. So anyhow, I said, if
you've got nothing to do, you can wash up a
few decents in the stinking so I shaid, let the
water run dot water. I said, jesus, I'm paying for that,
don't you. She washed up the desits, and I was

(01:44:59):
supervising the because I tell her where the deces went,
the cups went, the police went. That would win. So
when the other the dish disappeared very quick. She never
asked for a distel. The wake the dish is a wake.
They support posting in the cupboard. Right, keep on them up.

Speaker 5 (01:45:18):
Now, I said, what.

Speaker 17 (01:45:22):
She used to take them down and get a pot
clot and wipe up the water. If I never saw her,
we had had mold in our cupboards. What do you
think of that, petty?

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
I think, Uh, drying the dishes is pretty common sense
issue before he put them away.

Speaker 17 (01:45:41):
Yeah, you never watched the dish in her life. Maybe
she never got back no more so. Anyway, another girl,
she was a big girl. She was the doctor in
her country. Probably from half right. I would do stuff
and squid. I had me in the midroom, no door clothed,

(01:46:03):
no window line down, nunny. I never went in by
by here again? Screen and one instant what's the problem?
Oh the Henley rough just honey, it's like this. Next
time I heard the wait screen out the door. She

(01:46:24):
never come back no more?

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
Was it the same moment? Who didn't dry the dishes?

Speaker 17 (01:46:29):
No lachry in our country? She're rough? She got four
two places and it's under my apartment. Total here now
I want I don't know if Fellows she's she's uh
the owner owner of told here Fellows Fitzgeral fitz Patrick.

(01:46:52):
She's from Skatchewan, she in town right now. I want
her to call me seven one nine four three three
two five six three. I wants to talk to I
know that because the other are both tied up in
deep white war. I knows Bob and those three. I

(01:47:15):
want to explain a few things to her. What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Well, keep me in the loop after you get a
chance to do some explaining.

Speaker 17 (01:47:24):
Well, I'm going to leave my number and old polls listening.
Alne wants her to call me seven O nine four
three three two five six three. And Patty, when are
you coming this way?

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Patty won't be until later this winter because the young
fellow's coming in. So next time I go out, I'll
try to remember to pop in.

Speaker 17 (01:47:46):
Come in.

Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
They inb for coffee, in w for coffee. You got
us and one more danser.

Speaker 17 (01:47:53):
This the four hundred dollars, like Tony William say, welcome.
He said they're going to raise it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
To He's talking about raising the senior's benefit twenty percent.

Speaker 17 (01:48:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, any news on that, is Beth Bill Gleman.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
Well that's the plan. It has not happened yet, No,
not happened yet.

Speaker 17 (01:48:19):
One more thing Patty told the way to Leon chalk singer.
Where's she from in there? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
I don't know. Uh, she's in the auto business these days.
I don't know how to get her.

Speaker 17 (01:48:33):
She used to sing with bench Cool Eh the Rose. Yeah,
what a beautiful song, buddy.

Speaker 9 (01:48:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
Now, last time you lasked about that, her father reached
out to me. If I recall.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
Correctly, yeah, watch your name.

Speaker 17 (01:48:46):
I wonder.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
I can't recall off the top of my head, but
I'll figure.

Speaker 17 (01:48:51):
It out from you know where you're from. I thought
you're from Charlotte now, But she's living in Charleston.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
She lives in and around here somewhere John Yeah, Saint
John's are Paradise, CBS men Pearl Summer close by.

Speaker 17 (01:49:05):
She worked with VOCM Sharp bab Leon Sharp Leah. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
she worked twelve years.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
I think he could be right.

Speaker 17 (01:49:14):
Well, look for she if she's listening, or her father
to call me seven no nine for three three two
five six three.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
You got it, no problem.

Speaker 17 (01:49:25):
I appreciate that car body and dropping the NW because
the boys licked the meek.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Fair enough, and I appreciate the invitation.

Speaker 17 (01:49:32):
All right, buddy, Thanks Otto, you take care and you're
welcome to the paratement too funny Staven, Thanks buddy, by.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
All the best, bye bye. Uh yeah, I mean I
kind of know what's going to get the biggest reactions
these days, but things like left hand right lane all
seasons versus winter tires. I'm just going to do a
reply all here. Verbally, I'm sticking with my assertion onw

(01:50:00):
You're supposed to navigate the outer Ring road and I'm
going to stick by winter tires or superior to all
season tires in the winter. Let's take a price. Let
me go back. We're speaking with you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
Don't go away The Tim Power Show, showing the conversation
weekday afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number one. Paul,
you're on the air.

Speaker 8 (01:50:24):
Hello, how are you doing this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Not too I suppose.

Speaker 3 (01:50:27):
How about you.

Speaker 8 (01:50:28):
I'm cold, I'm colder than I thought I would be.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
This morning's chilly out man, early December. Absolutely, you guys
never forecast this one.

Speaker 8 (01:50:35):
You get You got this one pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
Wrong, didn't you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
Ah yeah, I have nothing to do with the forecasting.
But I was expecting this called or this amount of snow.

Speaker 8 (01:50:43):
Yeah yeah, but I called to mention something that I've
discovered on Googlers in Candor, and I discovered this a
good year ago, and I've I've called several radio stations
disgusted with a few producers. I'd called a few MPs.
I even went as far as calling them the RNC
and discussing with a few police officers. It would appear

(01:51:07):
that NATO have an enormous installation built next to the
Gander Airport. This is according to one of the CBC
producers I spoke with. It's a NATO operation joined with
American and Canadian military. Now I have been researching something well,
I've been researching weather modification for over twenty years now.

(01:51:30):
A couple of people that I know made a documentary
back in around two thousand for the History Channel called
The Invisible Machine. Now everybody's listening should get on YouTube
right now and watch The Invisible Machine. It's a really
well done documentary about electromagnetic warfare and the new types

(01:51:52):
of research is being done with weaponry. It really focuses
on a place called harp in Alaska as a military
installation and they are modifying whether they're doing the weather
research they're researching with the ionosphere so on and so on.
Since I've been researching this for twenty years now, it's

(01:52:12):
it's I've become aware that the weather has changed in
Newfoundlands significantly. Today is a great example of that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
They're modifying our weather.

Speaker 8 (01:52:23):
They're doing weather research, weapons research.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
Essentially, like what cloud seating.

Speaker 8 (01:52:29):
Yeah, well they're doing cloud seating, you know, to chem trailing,
and they've been doing that for decades. My god, I
mean years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
That we're not honestly going down the chemtrails road, are we?

Speaker 8 (01:52:43):
Oh sure, yeah, yeah, it's a part of it because
it's a binary program. You see. They need to they
need to seed the atmosphere with metallic particle. They usually
use aluminum oxide, and that makes the atmosphere electricly conductive.
Then they can change things with this type of technology.

(01:53:04):
It's called the Scaler transmitter. But at any rate, I
don't really care what you think about it.

Speaker 5 (01:53:09):
I know what it is.

Speaker 8 (01:53:11):
I'm just calling to inform people in Newfoundland that it's there,
and you really should at least get on Google Earth
and look at the damn thing. It looks like something
out of a science fiction movie. Okay, it is a
dish sixty to thirteen hundred feet in diameter with two

(01:53:31):
hundred transmitters in dual concentric arrays on the inside of it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
So a quick question, our keeper, who's they in? The
people who are NATO are modifying the weather?

Speaker 8 (01:53:44):
Yes, and as a American military.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
Guess, and so as a military alliance. The purpose for
making it snow in Saint John's is what.

Speaker 8 (01:53:58):
Testing the weather? Testing the technology? I would imagine. You know,
I'm not working with them. I've just been researching them
from a distance from the outside for twenty years, and
I can tell you what this is. This is what's happening.
I've been getting into. I've been into trying to get
in touch with members of government about this quietly for
over a year. All right. I didn't want to. I
really didn't even want to make it a public thing.

(01:54:19):
I thought I could get in touch with a few
MPs and find out what you know, just get back
to me. Are there any health consequences to the damn thing?
I've spoken with people at the airport, or even if
it is nothing, what's that I'd start with asking if
it was actually a thing, well, let's find out. But
I can't get the information from them at all. It

(01:54:41):
is a top secret project. You can't find any information
on the Internet about it. The only way you can
find out about it is on Google Earth. So does
that on Google Earth?

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
Look at it?

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
So if there's zero information out there, does that possibly
lead people to believe that it's not actually a thing?

Speaker 8 (01:54:59):
I'm sorry I didn't hear.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
So you say there's absolutely zero information available other than
a picture from Google Earth.

Speaker 8 (01:55:06):
Well's I can see the image from Google Earth. If
you're familiar with what harp is, it really is just
a different shaped harp. It's essentially a large field with
about two hundred large transmitters inside of it. But this
one is obviously meant for focusing. If you've seen harp before,
it's just a rectangular field. So this looks like a

(01:55:30):
focusing lens.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
So might this thing be used for communications as opposed
to electrifying your classes?

Speaker 8 (01:55:36):
That thing for you, as far as I understand, you
could use that thing for starting earthquakes, for igniting the
eye on a sphere. That is the machine that should
never be all right, That is called the Invisible Machine.
Everybody should watch the documentary called the Invisible Machine. It's
on the YouTube. Invisible Machine, Electromagnetic warfare. Type that into YouTube,

(01:56:00):
you'll get this documentary maybe some documentary.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
Maybe someday I might type that into my YouTube search field.
You should anything else this morning post.

Speaker 8 (01:56:13):
More More, I hope that many of your listeners, for
what many there are, I hope that many of your
listeners will take a look at that, and people will
look into what are the health aspects of it? At
the very least, get any information. I mean, do you
yourself have any information about it? But yeah, I've spent
a year talking to many people in government and all

(01:56:35):
I can get is a NATO operation from the very
visible just by looking at it. Anybody near it, you'd
have to ask are there any health consequences to that?
What are they doing? From what I've been told from
people that live in the area, it's got an eighty
foot protective fence around it, and if you look near it,

(01:56:55):
they'll shoot you. If you get close to it and
turn on a radio, you'll just hear turkeys. They do
radio quay night with the sound of turkeys.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Did you get close to the fence, Someone's going to
shoot you.

Speaker 8 (01:57:07):
Apparently a few guys that they have yet lethal I've
been told by several locals in the area over the
past year that they have, Yeah, lethal protective orders there.

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
You sounds unlikely. I've been at the Gander Airport as
recently as this fall, and I've never seen anything of
the like, and I've actually flown.

Speaker 8 (01:57:25):
When you're trying to say that it's not there, well,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
I'll look at Google Earth, but I mean most of
this is anyway. Well, I mean I've flown very low
level in and around the Gander Airport several times in
this past year.

Speaker 8 (01:57:38):
Okay, and you're saying it's not there, Well, I've never
seen it. It's there, I assure you. It's actually it's
called the Turkey Farm. They admit they you know, they
admit that there's something there that NATO are there. There
was a CBC article written about twenty years ago that
was totally nonsensical. I mean, it didn't even make grammatical sense.

(01:58:00):
The article, I mean, the CBC producer told me it
referred me to this article. I read it. It didn't
make any sense whatsoever. Yeah, and I basically indicated that
there was a transmission tower NATO head in Gander. What
they have there is not a transmission tower that looks
like something out of the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
So just last last one before I let you go,
did you just was it some sort of wise crack
about our listeners for however many that might be. Is
that what you said?

Speaker 8 (01:58:26):
I'm sorry, I haven't admitted of hard time hearing you
this morning he was hearing from one.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
No, I think there's just a wise crack about the
number of listeners. And guarantee you you spoke to more
people this morning than you've spoken to in the recent past.

Speaker 8 (01:58:42):
You get to know me, you might change your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
I appreciate your time, Paul, thanks for calling.

Speaker 8 (01:58:46):
Okay, have a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
Bye bye. Scott, you're next. Don't go ahead, look it back.
Let's go line number two. Scott, you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
Good morning.

Speaker 5 (01:59:00):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
That's how about you?

Speaker 9 (01:59:03):
Now?

Speaker 12 (01:59:03):
Bad?

Speaker 8 (01:59:04):
A couple of points here. The first one be Paul
just ruined my Christmas trip for Turkey and Gander. I
don't want to go out and eat turkey and get shot,
so I'll start with that. I don't know what he
was talking about there, but okay. Bit often different of
a conversation, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
Some of just like with a twenty year old article
from CBC about it, and it looks like this was
a popular during the Cold War communications and counter terrorism
surveillance units out of the Gander Airport.

Speaker 3 (01:59:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:59:36):
I've flown over to go fishing out there. I've never
seen anything either, so I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:59:41):
I'm with you there.

Speaker 8 (01:59:43):
The reason I called in was two points Rob who
called regarding the snow tires. Snow tires, as you would say,
are demonstrably better in the snow than all seasons, because
a lot of people will call all seasons snow seasons.
They're not great in the summer, for not great in
the winter. My vehicles they have summer tires dedicated for

(02:00:05):
summer driving, and I have winter tires for my vehicles
as well, because just for that reason, it's safety on
the highway, just for myself and also anyone around me.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
Yeah. I mean there's such a thing as summer tires
and in all seasons, and winter tires, snow tires, and
started tires. So there's a variety out there. So I
used to catch all all seasons. But you're right, there's
a distinctly summer tire. Yep.

Speaker 8 (02:00:30):
And I would question. I've lived in Fort Murray for years, yep.

Speaker 9 (02:00:34):
And he's right.

Speaker 8 (02:00:34):
You do not need winter tires because it's between minus
thirty and minus forty and as dry as a bone.
You don't get slush.

Speaker 9 (02:00:44):
A started tire will be.

Speaker 8 (02:00:45):
Better because get the snow gets so packed there that
you would be able to drive. But you really don't
need snow tires because they don't get the amount of
snow that we get here, and they certainly don't get
the humidity.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
Yeah no, I mean, and that's of people talk about, Hey,
the temperature in Saint John's. How you complaining it's so cold?
It's minus forty and Jasper. I lived in Jasper. It
was cold, crisp, dry cold. Here it's called dap dreary cold.

Speaker 8 (02:01:13):
See, it's completely different. And I don't know what time
of year he was riding, but it's not very easy
to get through Cape Breton in the winter. I've driven
through Christmas times. Not very easy if you you run
into weather there. Most of Ontario is pretty good because
it's last except for northern Ontario.

Speaker 3 (02:01:35):
But yeah, it.

Speaker 8 (02:01:37):
Wouldn't be very easy to navigate coming through in December
or January with all seasons. And from my recollections, yeah,
I mean, I.

Speaker 2 (02:01:49):
Can only navigate my own little world, and I personally
choose to put snow tires on for the winter and
I take them off for the summer.

Speaker 8 (02:01:58):
Yep, and studs, yes, but only in certain instances. You
will you can certainly climb. If it's icy, you will
outperform everything. And you look in any of the Scandinavian
countries that do the tests on the new winter tires
that are studless, they prove how good they are in
cold temperatures. But if it's icy, conditions are hard packed.

(02:02:22):
A studded winter tire with the Saints tire that's not
studded will outperform in certain conditions, and the exact same
tire one is studded, one's not. But it's only certain
conditions and we generally don't get those around here.

Speaker 3 (02:02:37):
On the avalon.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
Yeah, I mean the avalon is it snows and then
a half hour later with the traffic passing over and
it's slush unless it's freezing gold.

Speaker 8 (02:02:47):
Yet and you made that point about it tightening off. Yeah,
the deeper threads in a snow tire, Well that's kind
of why you're there, is to get rid of that stuff.
So you don't I don't know what if it's aquaplane hydroplane,
but splash plane and go off the road. And the

(02:03:09):
last point, I'm not sure who the caller was. I
think his name is probably Mike. Last week, you were
completely correct. The left lane is basically a passing lane.
Get out there, past someone, get back in. And if
you're in the right lane and someone's trying to merge,
if you can get over and no one's next to
you in the left lane, but let them out and

(02:03:31):
keep traffic moving smoke smoothly. But driving one hundred in
the left lane is only a recipe for people to
pass on the right lane.

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
And yeah, and you're not allowed to pass on the
right hand lane. And you know you didn't do this,
but some people call it the slow lane and the
fast lane. It's the right lane for you know, driving
commensurate with weather conditions at the maximum speed posted. And
the left lane is for in my opinion, is for
passing traffic that is, keeping up at the pace of
play and or whatever reason might want to be in it.

(02:04:04):
When it's clear, get back in the right lane. That's
how I drive, That's how they teach people to drive.
But you know, other people's opinions. It'd be nice to
have some sort of consensus so that we're all driving
with the same playbook.

Speaker 8 (02:04:17):
Well, you probably never get consensus, but I would say
most listeners who've gone a significant amount of highway driving
would agree with what you're saying there, and I certainly agree.

Speaker 2 (02:04:28):
I appreciate your time, Scott, thanks for calling, no problem,
all the best, pal, Bye bye. Likely the final World
goes to line one. Jerry around the air Hi, Kyti,
how are you okay?

Speaker 3 (02:04:41):
How about you?

Speaker 12 (02:04:42):
I'm great.

Speaker 10 (02:04:43):
Listen to the previous caller talking about that.

Speaker 12 (02:04:47):
Facility over near the Grundar Airport that is indeed locally
known as the Turkey Farm. It has nothing to do
with the weather. It's a communications antenna array. It's been
on operation I don't know thirty years. I worked there,
so I know all about it. He's out to lunch
and he talked about it. Another facility similar in Alaska.

Speaker 3 (02:05:08):
They're all over the world.

Speaker 11 (02:05:10):
They're by well.

Speaker 12 (02:05:12):
The one in Gander was run by the Canadian Armed
Forces and it was direction finding and surveillance.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
That's the limited amounts I've read about it. That's pretty
much what it says, and apparently was at its peak
during the Cold War. There was examples of the association
with the sinking of the BIZ American counter surveillance or
counter terrorism surveillance and communications and electronic warfare or electromagnetic warfare,
as far as I understand, is simply the ability for

(02:05:41):
you to keep your opponents from using your radio frequencies
and using your communication channels and the like. But I'll
admit I have a limited knowledge based on that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 12 (02:05:52):
Yeah, I worked there during the Cold War and there
was no radio jamming or a radio interference.

Speaker 3 (02:05:59):
That was not what it was I'm designed for.

Speaker 12 (02:06:00):
I have no idea what it's doing now, but it
is not a way or control or any such thing.

Speaker 2 (02:06:07):
I wouldn't have thought so.

Speaker 12 (02:06:09):
No, And they're all over the place.

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
Yeah, absolutely, the one.

Speaker 3 (02:06:13):
There's another one on West coast in Canada.

Speaker 12 (02:06:15):
There's one in Alaska. They're in the Indian Ocean, They're
in Europe, they're all along the Eastern seaboard, Western seaboard
in the US.

Speaker 3 (02:06:23):
They're all over.

Speaker 12 (02:06:25):
It makes sense to me, nothing nefarious about it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:27):
I'm glad to hear exactly that, Jerry. Anything else you
want to say.

Speaker 3 (02:06:31):
No, that's it for sentre time straight.

Speaker 2 (02:06:33):
Thank you, all right, Thanks Log You're welcome. Bye bye
uh line three, Jeff, you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (02:06:41):
Hey, Patty, best kind you.

Speaker 9 (02:06:43):
Oh not bad my buddy for Tuesday. I just wanted
to say that talk about that Turkey firm thing me
and a buddy where if you're doing work about ten
or eleven years ago in Candor and he brought it
up and I was like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 14 (02:06:55):
Me?

Speaker 9 (02:06:55):
So let's go find it. When we got there, we
went to the area where he excuse me, it was tall,
it was or whatever. When we got there, we sees
this big old fence like it's like forty feet high.
It was like what and before we knew it, security
came out told us to turn around and leave. It
was like Area fifty one. It was ray freaky, like

(02:07:17):
I don't know, man, it was like, I just wanted
to tell you that we've seen I've seen it. I've
seen the fence.

Speaker 2 (02:07:23):
Yeah, I've seen it now too. Someone sent me a
picture of it and fair enough. So it's a thing
with a fence. But you didn't get shot though, oh.

Speaker 8 (02:07:30):
No, no, no no.

Speaker 9 (02:07:31):
But it was pretty freaky though, like the way security
came out and just said turn around and leave and
then that was it, Like, you know, it's like something
top secret almost so to speak, if you know. But
I don't know what it is, but we went. I
just want to say I've seen it. That's all I know.
It's there, debsolitely, Yeah, And I.

Speaker 2 (02:07:50):
Mean I didn't deny it's there because I don't know.
I've never noticed it. I've flown over that area a
few times this year with my son, who's the pilot,
and apparently it's the thing. Whether or not it's the
thing used to modify the weather versus communications and interception
and counter terrorism surveillan, it's kind of two distinctly different things.
I'm glad they'd never gunged you down, Jeff, And I'm
glad you called the show.

Speaker 9 (02:08:12):
No sweat, Paddy. You have a great dame, buddy.

Speaker 2 (02:08:15):
All right, goodbye, all right, wild show today, big thanks
to all hands. We will indeed pick up this conversation
again tomorrow morning right here on VOCM and Big Land
of FM's Open Line on behalf of the producer David Williams.
I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun
happy day, will talk in the morning. Bye bye,