Tuesday Nov 25th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning you. Thank you very
much for tuning in to the program. It's Tuesday, November
the twenty fifth. This is open Line. I'm your host,
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five ninety VOCM, which is eighty six twenty six. Almost
forgot what it was, all right, good start, all right?
Check in on the Olympic Trials men's curling. So Team Goods,
you're going up against Matt Dunstone, the number one rink
in the country. Seven defeat or dropped the record of
three and one Dunstone four. I know a couple more
draws today for Team Gush. The winner go right to

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the Olympics in Italy this coming winter. Go get them boys.
A couple of random sports notes, So American Thanksgiving is
a couple of days from now. It was on this
date in nineteen seventy six that past summer all On
John Madden broadcast of the game together for the first time.
They broadcast at the NFL Football for twenty two years
and one of the most popular broadcasting duos in American
sports history. I would suggest and for people around my

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vintage who were boxing fans back in the day, this
is a pretty famous fight. Nineteen eighties, sugar Ay Letter
regains his WBC welterweight boxing crown when Roberto Durant quit
in the eighth round the old no Moss fight, the
no Moss no Mass and of course Leonard went on
then to famously win yet another title, knocking out Tommy
Hearns in the twelfth round in a pretty famous fight

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as well. Okay, speed cameras. I'm a fan. So it's
an interesting way that these news story is written. And
we know what other provinces in the country. They've made
it very difficult for municipalities to get in on the
speed camera business. Like an Ontario doug Forth Premier call
speed cameras a cash grab. It's a funny way to
look at it. If it slows people down, and the

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documentation is pretty clear speed cameras can be an effective
deterrent against speeding, aggressive driving, what have you. So we've
got the first few cameras that have installed here Veterans
Memorial School zones on water Bridge Road, Larkll Academy. All right,
as of the twenty fifth of September, two d and
ten tickets, only two hundred ten tickets had been served
by registered mail. Now there might be some hiccups given

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the flow through Canada posts. We can talk Canton posts
as well, but let's get that ten camera program up
and running. You have to believe that it will be
so lot effective. And yes, I hear you not everyone's
going to pay the fine, which is why we asked
the Public Safety and Justice Minister Helen Conway A Ottenheimer
yesterday about the concept of community service to work off
your fine. So the speed camera numbers are in and

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I was looking for them and there they are. This
story man the National News to so there's an investigation
or a review underway about the actions of an RCMP officer.
The story is that this RCMP officer arrested an intellectually
delayed woman. She's on the autism spectrum, she has a

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Caesar disorder. What makes this even more and more curious
is that it took place at the Poddle Center. It's
a place for people to go with any mental health
concerned or challenges, and it's a meeting ground, it's a
social setting. And so this young lady, she was at
the computer trying to sign up for some sort of
online game, and with the center about to close, they

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powered down the computer. She became irritated to some level.
I have no worth the idea. So this RCMP officer,
off duty, out of his jurisdiction, arrests her, and the
story goes that dragged her out of the Poddle Center
until the RNC showed up. No charges were laid, so
the investigation continues, but the fact of the matter is

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in that setting, knowing full well that this lady and
her caregiver describing exactly what might be troubling, this young
lady ends up dragged out of the Poddle Center and detained,
and the r and C eventually show up, so they
were trying to call for the R and C to respond.
They have a mental health crisis unit, so there's a

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mental health professional or clinician, a playing clothes officer who's
trained in crisis intervention. So as opposed to allowing that,
which is a much more practical and pragmatic approach to
be taken this off due to the RCNP officer went
in and arrested this one for mischief because she wasn't
ready to leave the Poddle Center upon closing, I think
at four o'clock in the afternoon. Anyway, what a story

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that is. Continue to get I was gonna say bombarded,
but getting still tons of feedback about comments I made
about contraband tobacco. Look I get and people continually send
me pictures of the pack of cigarettes and the price
tag associated with it. And I know people are saving
a lot of money by buying ban tobacco and being

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told to not preach about how I spend my money.
I don't know how many times I've said, look, it's
your money, do as you see fit, but it is
worthwhile pointing out that buying the contraband tobacco, So says
law enforcement is a direct benefit financially speaking to organized crime.
You see it as much as I do the bus
where the photo ops take place, and you see the
drugs that are laid out on the table, and the

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weapons and the cash, and yes, the contraband tobacco. So again,
if that's why you feel like doing, you do as
you see fit. But and keep sending me emails tell
me I'm on the wrong side. One fella says them
on the wrong side of history by suggesting that contraband
tobacco supporting organized crime is some sort of problem. Well
it is. You want to talk about it, we can
do it, all right. And in the world of drugs,

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So now in the courts and the defense is looking
for more information or evidence. It's the first criminal case
in this province where an alleged drug dealer is being
held criminally responsible for an overdose death. It's a very
interesting and potentially precedent setting court case. So if people
are wanting and willing to buy illicit drugs and maybe

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in the death spiral of addiction, this case is fascinating
for a couple of reasons. So the poor young fellow
who is only fourteen years old, and the person who's
being charged is only nineteen years old. Charge with bad slaughter,
criminal negligence causing death, drug possession and trafficking. So the
fourteen year old kid thought he was buying xanax, but

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unfortunately wasn't, is disguised and has a deadly mix of
synthetic opioids. So the investigation led to a home here
in the city of Saint John's where the police sees cocaine,
kenymine and another fenozalum, which I don't know what that is.
So the most interesting part is if you know what
you're buying and you've made a conscientious decision, even though

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conscient anxious decisions and addiction to drugs don't necessarily belong
in the same sentence. But if you think you're buying xanax,
but you're buying something else that eventually kills you, it's
a worthwhile examination for the criminal justice system. So I'll
be intrigued to find out where this eventually leads. And
if drug dealers are willing to misrepresent the drug they're selling,

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then maybe, just maybe this is the appropriate level of
action to be taken. Your thoughts would be most welcome
here today. Eric, Let's get to it. This is a
strange story but important. So Health Canada is now set
the table for retailers to be able to sell us

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cloned animal meat. All right, it's likely into the future
going to enter the Canadian food supply, and Health Canada
is going to allow it. And it's the offspring of
clone animals, whether they be cows or pigs or whatever
the case may be. All Right, I think there's plenty
of research that speaks to the food safety perspective. But
the problem here, as pointed out by many, is that

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they're not going to mandate appropriate labeling. Look, if people
can buy clone meat and it's at less cost than
not clone meat, that maybe people make that decision and
maybe take it upon themselves to see what kind of
food safety assessment has been made of these cloned meat products.
But let's make it mandatory for the label to reflect

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exactly what you're buying. It's already a massive problem in
the grocery retail right across the country, whether it be
with where the product is from product of Canada or
made in Canada versus it's not. But yet people are
taking advantage of our domestic want to buy more and
more local product but the clone beat conversation is just weird.
So they've taken the designation of novel foods and so

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that's all about pre market safety assessment and yes, mandatory labeling.
Health Canada goes on to say that they will never
be directly involved in cloning practices now or ever. But
if we're allowing that into the chain, let's just do
the very fundamental and the very easy to enforce label
it appropriately on that front when you talk about the

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that's a fascinating conversation, But the same thing when it
comes to enforcement by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. We've
had this big formal signing of interprovincial trade restrictions to
be dropped on a variety of fronts, but it does
not include foods, including meat. Why because for some unknown reason,
we have different standards held by the Canadian Food Inspection
Agency from province to province. None of that makes any

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sense to me if I live here but I want
to move there, wouldn't you expect inside the same country
to have the same approach taken to safety at the
avatoire packaging labeling, But we don't, And it's just for
some bizarre reason that that's the case, but cloned meat
coming to a grocery retailer by you somewhere in the

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very near future. Strange. Let's talk a little healthcare so
I hear from some and Michael, you can feel free
to send me an email on this one. It's about privatization.
You know, it's happening, and it's been happening in this
country for a long time, whether it be for day industry,
or physiotherapy or some medication services, some counseling in the

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world of mental health. But now it's creeping a little
further down the road, including surgery. So there's a new
report out there, and take it for what it's worth,
but it looks at mortality rates and wait times regarding
the ever growing presence of what they call private health care.
Now in some provinces like Quebec, you're getting what they

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think or they call private health care, but it's being
publicly funded, the same thing in the province of Ontario.
So how does it work? How can it work? Some
of the report is pretty interesting in so far as
way times in the public sector goes. So the thought is,
if you take people who can't afford private health care
to get out of the public line and to get

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into their own private line pay for their surgery or
diagnostic or whatever the case may be. That it's going
to make things better or easier in the public sector
hasn't borne out to be the case. So mortality rates
are one thing, But if you take staff out of
the public sector and put them in a prime its
setting that that's not going to do much to reduce
wait times. Because why we hear about surgeries being postponed,

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and it's not because we don't have surgeons, it's because
we don't have support staff necessarily. So if you take
any of those cogs out of the wheel of public
and put them in private, I don't think things improve necessarily.
And this report is pretty clear in how it looks
at these staffing issues, which is the key driving force
behind wait times. Then they go on to talk about

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what is critically important and this is just one of
the comments coming from one of the researchers. It's a
my Lane Breton, the Candida Research share in Clinical Governance
of Primary Care Services, also a professor at the University.
Sharebook one of the determinants of health is the health system,
but that only accounts for twenty percent of mortality. So

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eighty percent of mortality is explained by factors outside the
healthcare system. We may focus on the twenty percent of
healthcare system to explain it, but the major drivers are
much broader, and why are they They're the social determinants
of health, education and housing. It's a fascinating breakdown of
the reality here. And they also go out to talk

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about in a private setting, doctors or other healthcare professionals
may be able to deny treatment for you, as opposed
to the public sector, where they're obliged to treat. We
already know some doctors will turn away smokers or those
who are morbidly obese, or whatever the case may be.
But again this goes on to say we can examine
mortality rates, but it only contributes about twenty percent of

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the conversation. Education and housing. And just another reminder, the
University Hospital in Toronto where they looked at one thousand admissions,
five hundred where those were housed, five hundred were chronically homeless.
The results the five hundred were homeless with their chronic
underlying conditions, They stay twice as long in hospital, consequently

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paid costs us twice as much. So you wonder when
you had that. If the dollars and cents they try
to address the social determinants of health, you improve not
only people's in visual outcomes, but you've reduced cost and
reliance on the healthcare system. So that's a pretty interesting example.
Now private healthcare, if you can look at how some
countries in Europe approach it. You can indeed be working

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in the private sector and have your accreditation approved by
whatever health authority, but you're also obliged to spend time
also working in the public sector. So it hasn't been
a full abandonment of the public sector. They've created a
hybrid model, which is absolutely worth examining as opposed to
it's either one or the other in some of the
provinces that approach privatization or the creep of privatization in

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the world of health care. You want to talk about it,
I do. Okay, I'll say you know, the most recent
Human Resources Healthcare report delivered by Deloitte Tuos. Now we
know there's been some contribution of artificial intelligence in it.
And of course, regardless of what the contents of the
five hundred and sixty pages say, people will look at
credibility associated with the use of AI and you might

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get tired of hearing about it, but we have to
talk about it. So there's been a new research paper
co authored by Google researchers in conjunction with Duke University
and some other fact checking organizations. They're looking at the
creep of AI generated images at the beginning of last
year and made up what they refer to as a

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minute a minute proportion of content manipulations overall on tail
early this year. With the new release of AI generation
tools by major players in the tech sector like Microsoft,
Google itself, Open AI now is nearly as common as text.
In general, content manipulation is represented by AI generated misinformation.

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It's going to be a massive problem. It just absolutely is.
And the whole concept of garbage in equals garbage out.
The AI generated generation tools are just scouring the Internet
to try to come up with rapid fire answers to
your inputs and more and more, this is going to
result in just absolutely bogus information, be deep fakes of

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celebrities or otherwise. It's become a tricky to make matters worse.
We haven't even obliged these tech giants to watermark, but
we know to be AI so they have invisible to
the naked eye watermarks saying that this is an AI
generated image. Let's make them absolutely put a label there
that is unmistakable and you will see it every single time,

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to give us a fighting chance to be able to
discern what you're looking at, whether it be real or fake.
But here's where it gets a huge additional problem. According
to the Wall Street Journal, AI related investment accounts are
contributed to half of GDP growth in the United States.
So as some of the big tech guys are saying,

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we can't reverse this, it would result in a recession.
That will be the driving force here. Now what's good? Now,
what's right now, what's most appropriate? It's the risk to investors.
Half of American GDP growth associated directly with AI related investment.
So do you think there's any going on back, of
course not. And if that's the case, let's make sure

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that they do. What is right by us is label
things that are AI generated to be exactly known as that.
But imagine half a GDP growth in the United States
is based on these types of investments. You think there's
going to be any appetite at the policy level, the
government and government level to do anything about it. Probably not,
given the fact that they trumpet the successes and the

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stock market has as the be all and end all
the measure of an economy, when of course you can't
eat the stock market. Not everyone has direct investment in
Many of you our pension funds may indeed be directly
and indirectly related to the stock market. But if AI
is driving the surge, then what do you think is
going to happen? All right? A couple of very quick ones.

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So today begins sixteen days of activism against gender based violence.
There's a purple ribbon flag raised Confederation Building this morning
at eleven. It's a difficult conversation, but like most everything else,
the most typical conversations that are the most important to have.
We have a problem, we absolutely do. On average, one

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woman or a girl is killed every forty eight hours
in this country due to gender based violence. We see
the court dockets and even the court talckets don't reflect
the enormous problem that it is because not everybody comes
forward to file a formal complaint with law enforcement, and
for a variety of reasons. Devastation to families, devastation to communities,

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long term impact is obvious. So the conversations we need
to have, starting in school and in our social circles
and in public, to not be afraid to talk about it.
And we've got to make sure. Look, I mean, obviously,
the vast majority of these crimes are perpetrated against women,
girls or gender diverse people. Men can absolutely be on

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the receiving end, it's true, But these honest conversations amongst
us boys, lads, let's just talk about it, because the
more we're honest about it, we can hopefully reduce the
prevalence of gender based violence. You know as well as
I do. It is a massive and growing problem in
this province and around the country, forget the rest of

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the world. Well you know what I mean by that.
But today begins sixteen days of activism against So let's
have these conversations in our social circles because we obviously
have to talk about it in some form or fashion.
The devastation is real, and its long term A couple
other quick ones, So all right, I guess. In an

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effort to placate frustrated Albertons, I were told that the
broad strokes of a memorandum of understanding between the federal
government and Alberta giving them special federal environmental exemptions and
relaxing some laws to allow for a pipeline to be
built from Alberta to the north coast of British Columbia.

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Obviouslyritish Columbians or I don't know, I can't speak for them.
The Premier, David eb frustrated how he's not included in
this conversation is beyond me. It goes on to talk
about the fact that so they're kind of picking and
choosing what they think will be most easy to sell
to Alberton's so they're going to have to apparently embrace
a stricter industrial carbon pricing regime, a multi billion dollar

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investment into carbon capture at the Pathways Alliance. You know,
they talk about things like greenwashing. Carbon capture might be
exactly that. But here we go with this new oil pipeline.
Maybe there will be some language associated with reducing federal
greenhouse gas regulations, consultation with indigenous groups, consultation and authority
given to British Columbia. But here we go. The main

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question will be will anyone in the private sectors step
forward even with this removal of some federal environmental laws
or ease of some of these laws fast tracking on
the consultation front. Is there any appetite in the private
sector to build this pipeline? And if the province BC
did not have to be involved upfront and personal regarding

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the creation of this memorandum of understanding, it begs a
question about provincial jurisdiction and provincial authority. If this happens
and it gets shoved down BC's throat, what keeps every
other province in the country to doing something similar like
us with the free flow of electricity from the Church
River through Quebec. If you can make a pipeline happen
without the authority granted to BC traditionally speaking, then where

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does that stop? You know, is there ever going to
be an east west energy corridor? Well, the conversation just
gets ramped up if there's going to be all of
a sudden, very little consultation with the Province of BC
to build a pipeline through their province to the north
coast where you're currently not allowed to empty in to
the tankers. So what does that mean for our conversation
regarding to Quebec or is Quebec SACRISTANCTH And we can't

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have the same conversation with how we flow our power
similar to how they're flowing their power. What do you
I think that's it's not a different conversation whatsoever, as
far as I could tell. But you want to take
that on. I think that's probably an interesting case study.
Oh and it's worth noting that Premier Smith, Daniel Smith
and Alberta has a leadership review coming up very shortly.

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They find themselves some hot water with recall legislation. They
thought it wouldn't be used against the UCP, looks like
it is being used against the UCP and other issues
of nothwithstanding, clauses and all the rest. But a memorandum
of understanding on a pipeline fascinating. We're on Twitter. Not
as fascinating. We're VOSM. Open line follows there. Email addresses
open on a VOSM dot com. When we come back,

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let's have a great show that only works one way.
You're in the queue to talk about whatever's on your mind.
Welcome back to the show. Let's begin on the top
of the board, line number one. Good morning, Charlie, you're
on the air.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Good morning Patty, Good morning Patty. You mentioned those chemicals
in food p What was said against P FAST or something?

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, pfasp FAST known as Forever Forever Chemicals EPA, the
Environmental Protection Agency in the United States, has now green
lit the use of those in pesticides on things like
lettuce and broccoling what have you. So if just fair
warning to people who go to the grocery store and
those products come from the States, in the future, p
FAST might be sitting on top.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yes. It reminded me of a story recently. A woman
from the States lived in Britain, are still living there
for for a number of years, and she was talking
about the differences, and one of the differences was regarding food.
She said that food in Britain spoiled quicker, who was tasty,

(22:37):
but it spoiled quicker. And she said the main reason
was in Britain they would have less preservatives and chemicals
in the food. So I thought that related a little
bit to what you said there, right, it does.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I mean just I mean the way food has been
dealt with chemically speaking by the agricultural sector has been
really a problem for a long long time. I mean,
just picture, go to the grocery store, buy a bag
of carrots that are all uniform look exactly the same
in our bright orange. First, the ones next to it
were from a farm mountain, the gules, and they're not

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as orange and they look still leaving a little bit dirty.
You go with the ones that are uniforming real bright orange.
So my god, to take you half hour to wash
the orange off your hands.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah. Anyway, I wanted to make a remark on Kearney
saying who cares? I was actually glad that he that
he came out with that. I'll tell you the reason.
You remember the the tech industries from the States met
and they were going to tax these in Canada, and

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Trump raised hell all these states that saying this was
unfair and it would affect the trade talks and so on,
and they backed away from that, and then they came
out with the ad, the Ontario AD, and Kearney ended
up apologizing for that when they used that we're going
to stop talks. And then they the airplane one if

(24:01):
you don't buy your airplanes. It struck me that Carne
has handled well in knowing what that guy is like
and now you have to cater to him. But it
reaches a point I think where you say, look, you
can't keep doing this if you're going to use all
these other issues to cancel trade things. So who cares

(24:22):
to me was a lightweight saying we've had enough. But anyway,
that's that's just my comment on that.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Well, you know, like most things, the entire press conference
was not shown in these clips. We simply saw the
question and who cares reference and he says it's just
a detail if you look at the entirety of the
press conference. There was also two questions early similar to
where he gave extensive answers, and then I guess he
just got frustrated and said who cares now for the

(24:48):
Prime minister. For me, it's a little bit too cavalier
away to put it, given the importance of this trade relation,
even though we have an unreliable partner south of the border.
So you can make the same point without using those
words to you know, that effect and that impact, like
I've got people send to me, those two words are
going to be his undoing No they're not. I mean
we've tried to negotiate. We were told it's about national security,

(25:11):
and it's about fentdel and then it's about an AD
and then it's about a software lumber and then look,
it's just about whether or not people want to get
on bended knee and appiece one person and one person only.
We had a trade deal that he signed, called it
the best one ever. He tore it up and threw
it in our face as a result of calling it
national security. So how were we supposed to approach this?
No deal is better than an absolutely terrible deal. And

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whether or not people like Prime Minister Currny, I'll leave
it up to them. You know. The whole thought from
at least for me, was as soon as it's bubbled up,
was the incredible importance of trying to find other partners.
You can't replace seventy five percent of trade with the
United States with the rest of the world, but you
can replace some of it. You can reduce for alliance,
and that seems to be where we are.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah, well, I feel that he had not and I'm
personally I'm glad he responded that way, because you can
you can be bullied forever. But I don't think it's
going to change things anyway with him. I don't think
it matters in the long term anyway. On the I
was thinking about one person's decision can affect the whole world.

(26:17):
The latest one would be Putin's attack on Ukraine and
all the implications of that. I noticed he keeps bombing
cities in that. If that's not terrorism, I don't know
what it is. It's state terrorism. Ukraine has to go
and bomb facilities, energy facilities and so on. If they
ever touched the Russian city and kill that many people,

(26:39):
that it would be you can imagine the response anyway,
It's it's an asymmetrical thing that's going on there, and
it's terrorism that is worse. But the reason I brought
up at one man the Openheimer thing. When they when
they developed the atom bomb back in the early forties,

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the main concern was the Nazis were going to get
the bomb before the States did, so they went all out.
Oppenheima was the leader of the group there, and when
they exploded it, they were all ecstatic to scientists because
the thing had worked. They didn't know at the time

(27:23):
if it would work, and they didn't know if we'd
catch the atmosphere on fire. It was a big doubt
before that first test. Anyway, after the initial hysteria was
over about how grade had worked, they realized that this
this this would be a threatening to mankind. So anyway,
at some point he goes to Truman's. Truman was present

(27:47):
at the time, and he was going to argue for
international control some way too, because he knew once the
genie was out and if there was no international control,
one would compete against the other. And the Soviets at
this time were developing their own. They were all they
also expires in the US camp. Anyway, it was a

(28:10):
matter of time, all sigentists knew before the Russians got theirs.
So he goes in and Truman says, at one point,
when do you think the Russians will have that same weapon?
And Oppenheimer knew they would, but he said, I don't
really know. And do you know what Truman said, He

(28:31):
said never. The decisions then were made to go ahead
unilaterally and develop American bombs and so on, so they
would be one up on the rest of the world,
especially Russia. And of course that was so stupid and
backward in thinking, because the scientists all new it was

(28:52):
just a matter of time, But that one decision by
Truman where they might have at least put a cap
on things back at that time, which some Russian sure
if they would have got Russian agreement for it, but
they would have at least tried. And we know live
in a nuclear world where things can be blown up
just like that, you know. But I thought it's remarkable

(29:12):
that one person can change the world for and not
just for them, but for years to come, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Absolutely. So after the first successful test, of course, Truman
brought forward what they call the Potsdam Declaration, look for
the unconditional surrender of the Japanese government. But then, of
course I don't remember the exact day, but in somewhere
in August nineteen forty five, it was loaded into the
andola again dropped on Hiroshima, and there's no going back.

(29:37):
It's fascinating to look at Truman's role here. The stories
that I've read or let that he never explicitly ordered
the dropping of the atomic bomb, bought allowed for it
to happen. Then he did give an order that stopped
them from being used again into the future, but it
became worthless at that point because actually rightfully point out,
after the bomb exploded over Hiroshima and then consequenting Nagazaki,

(29:58):
the nuclear arms race was and it has never been off.
We've talked about some of the Budapest A Chords and
all those things where we're trying to roll things back
in Some countries, including Ukraine, have denuclearized themselves inso far
as weaponry goes, and there doesn't seem to be any
stop and it doesn't seem to be any sort of
real deterrent given what we see in this world. And

(30:19):
you mentioned the war in Ukraine. I mean read the
stories about the proposed twenty eight point plan of peace
that seemingly was written by the Russians and released, I
guess leaked into the media in the United States. So anyway,
I don't go too far down that Russia Russia, Russia hole.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
But that was.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Strictly that's strictly a surrendered document. That's the only way
it feels it can get the Nobel players to go
along with the russiaspitulation. Just back at a bomb for
a second. After the Adam baumb was developed, Telor came along,
it would tell him and said, we can do an
hydrogen bomb. And many of the signs were a game

(30:58):
set because if one atom bomb, which was fifteen thousand
tons of TNT a nuclear bomb the figure I read
and I couldn't believe it was a million tons, and
they knew it was too big to be used even
on the city. So they knew that this would be
a total disaster if the sides, either side or both

(31:22):
sides got that, unless, of course, they decided they would
be suicide for either side to use it. But anyway,
they open Arma came out and said, look, we can't
build this, and that was another thing that Truman did.
They eventually gave to go here to build the hydrogen bomb. Anyway,
just interesting stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
I appreciate the time, Charlie, thanks for the call.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Okay, thank you, Bob.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Welcome, bye bye, I just get a break in, don't
go away, Welcome back to the show so called LN
number two sigma more to the leveled member for Harber
Grey's Portograeve. That's Pan persons going. Pam, you're on the air.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Good morning, Patty, and good morning to vier listeners. Of course,
I just wanted to call in today. As you know,
it's a Purple ribbon campaign today. It's something that government
hosts each and every year and it's ultimately led by
the stakeholders of family and loved ones of victims, as
we know, and I just wanted to call in and
he'll certainly be attending. I've had the privilege of hosting

(32:22):
that I'm along with those stakeholders while I was Minister
of Gender Women in Gender Equality. But again, I mean,
it's a campaign today and there are so many days
of action, have calls to action. But Patty, as you
and I have had many conversations over the years about
gender based violence, how it is real, how it is
a crisis here in New Hounland, Labrador with we have
staggering huge deaths. Deaths alone in Labrador with Indigenous women

(32:47):
are higher than the NAS national average with regards to
violence agains Indigenous women and girls and of course even death.
So just you know, I want to talk about that
and the important initiatives. While I was Minister of so
I signed onto a national bilateral agreement with the federal government,
of course, which thirteen point six million dollars come to

(33:08):
Newfoundland the Labrador and that money went through stakeholders, equality
seeking organizations, violence prevention groups, indigenous groups and in particular Quadrangle,
another very important stakeholder. Of course, that our standing shoulders
and shoulder to prevent gender based violence. Of course, in
particular with the members of the two SLGBTQQI a plus community.

(33:30):
But a lot of work has been done. And yeah,
so I'm certainly willing to work with my colleague, the
new minister, to help any way I can, because, as
we know, Patty, gender based violence knows no boundaries. It's
certainly not a partisan issue and it doesn't discriminate, and
we know that it's certainly the real problem here in
our province, across the country, even across the entire world.

(33:53):
You know what we see with some women have to
endure another countries. We are blessed here to live and
to live in a great province. I celebrates equality, but
there's always more work to be done.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
What does that even mean? So I think that's part
of the conversation that is missing or very vague, is
the work to be done? So specifically, what actions need
to happen? You know, bringing in money and awareness campaigns
is one thing, but what are practical issues we should
be talking about and working on.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
For example, one piece of legislation where there were many,
but one in particular, if that is making a difference.
And even in my conversation with law enforcement professionals, the
Clearer's Law and what that does we've brought that in
government just shortly after I think twenty seventeen. And what
that does. That gives a woman or anybody who feels
that they're in relationship with a new partner who may

(34:43):
have a violence, a history of violence, whether it be
domestic violence, they can go there is a proper process,
of course, they can go to the RNC and even
consult with the RCNP RNCLID and to see what that
partner's background is, if they have a history, or if
they have a record of gender based violence against previous partners.

(35:04):
And that uptake apparently has is significant based on the
steps that have come in my conversations that have come
with our colleagues in the r and C as.

Speaker 6 (35:13):
Well as the RCMP.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Something that I did as well as Minister, I struck
a ministerial cabinet on a task force cabinet Ministerial Committee
cabinet and the calling for the story rather the Task
Force against Gender Based Violence.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
So what that did.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
That's a number of ministers with relative portfolios such as
CSSC at the time, Children's, Senior, Social Development, Health, Community Services,
involved Justice, public Safety, myself as women in general Quality
and we came together with senior officials as well as stakeholders.
We had stakeholders come in and present to this committee
on what is needed. One in particular is a violence

(35:51):
prevention group came in to talk about the importance of
electronic monitoring. That's that was something that was in place,
but it changed in which it is issued and which
it is used on people who may who are who
may be released on bail. And we heard the significance
of how community is calling for this and how it
does in fact make a difference if someone in other jurisdictions,

(36:13):
for example that they used examples and statistics, is wearing
that device, I mean, and they come close to the
person who is in danger, the know their partner, their
former partner, I mean, you know, the stats actually prove
that it does make a difference. So that's something ways
that we can tighten up legislation and even you know,
access to justice in this regard. So and also something

(36:34):
that was that was strust that I was happy to
be part of and to read is the Indigenous Led
Reconciliation Council with Indigenous women across New from Land Labrador.
It was a call that they pushed in their report
following the National inquiry of missing murdered Indigenous women and girls,
something they asked for. It is indigenous led. And you know,

(36:55):
a lot of great work has been done and I'm
really hoping that the new minister will continue that work.
That you know, to meet with these Indigenous women across
me from my lever door because they know what is
needed and these initiatives need to be Indigenous led. So
a lot of great work to be done. And again
this work has to continue. And again I offer my
full support to my colleagues in any way I can
support or help every part of this.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I appreciate you making time for the show. Pam, thank you,
thank you, Patty, Welcome, Bye bye. It's again repeating myself,
but it's worth repeating. Is it is a tricky conversation.
And you know, I kind a couple of emails based
on what I set off the top of the show.
And I don't know how people hear or dissect some
of the things that you hear on the radio, but

(37:37):
you know, it basically said, why do why do people?
And I guess, including me, is the assertion here is
painting males as toxic and stuff. I didn't say anything
like that when it comes to gender based violence, if
a woman or a girl is on the receiving end,
by definition, that man is a problem and the root

(37:59):
cause as to what leads to that sort of violence
in the home or violence in the relationship, there's not
a one size fits all there. So this is not
about a broad stroke of across the board toxic masculinity.
I never even said that. I don't know how somebody
heard it and that that type of translation in their
own mind. But any of those types of pushbacks really

(38:21):
do feel like dismissing in full or in part the
issue and the prevalence of gender based violence. We all
know it's real. We all see the numbers. We know
it's growing. And the numbers only reflect the number of
people that have actually come forward and filed the formal complaint,
which is probably miniscule compared to the issue itself. Let's

(38:42):
get a break in, don't go away, welcome back. Let's
go to line number three. Good morning, Debbie, around the air.

Speaker 7 (38:49):
Yes, Hello, Patty, Hello, Hike. This is a change of
subject now, but I know if you're cann help me.
I'm seventy years old, I have bone cancer, I have
lung cancer.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I have a lot of.

Speaker 8 (39:05):
Issues right, and I did thirty years.

Speaker 7 (39:10):
I had a faster home with mentally challenged adults. Plus
I did rest it. But anyway, I went to Edmonton
to help my daughter raise the kids right instead of working,
and that was all right. I came back here to
Newfoundland to live retire. I from my first month's friend,

(39:31):
my last month's re read, my damaged deposit and.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
Money for the month, so that was our right.

Speaker 7 (39:37):
I was staying at my sister's until I found the place,
but that didn't work out, so I left there and
the only thing was a shelter, so I didn't know
what they were like. So I went there and Patty,
I'm there since the end of July. I'm after have
pneumonia twice. The shelter i'm in now has stairs, like

(40:01):
I just got up the hospital I was in for
two weeks for pneumonia, so my breathing is not the
best and I have COPD and lung cancer and the stairs,
and like they can't find me another place or they won't.
I get in touch with the new Land Laborator Shelter
Line new Land Labator Housing. I get old age Pension,

(40:24):
CPP and spousal support all I need is an apartment
like I can't one just much longer?

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Okay, just a couple of questions, and I certainly I
have no intention of being mean at all. Did you
have a plan for housing when you were coming back
to the province when I was coming back.

Speaker 8 (40:45):
No, No, I didn't think it'd be desired, right.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
And so I thought it. You can afford a certain
amount of money for the department. So what are you
comfortable in paying for rent? Just so if an effort
for me to try to.

Speaker 8 (40:58):
Help them, one of my pay for rent.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Now, no, what would you be able to pay for it?
You say you're looking for an apartment.

Speaker 8 (41:04):
You pay a thousand for sure?

Speaker 7 (41:05):
Okay, I could pay a thousand, all right?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Do you need anything special in the rental unit or
you just need something on the ground floor because of
your health concerns?

Speaker 8 (41:16):
I need my breathing like I need something.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
Well, if I could have it in the paths, I'm
getting out of the paths, and you know, something on
my bed to give up at the bed just stop
to make it.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Easier, right, right, And some of those things can be
put in after the fact. If we can find an
appropriate apartment for just one person, and you only need
it for just yourself, right, Debbi? Yes, yes, vacancy is
extremely low. Do you need to be in the city,
Can you be in one of the communities close by,

(41:46):
or what's your hope?

Speaker 8 (41:48):
I just go Saint John's Mount Pearl.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Saint John's Mount Pearl. Okay, Off the top of my head,
I can't give you an option, but we know some
people in the landlord business and property management business. So
one thousand dollars a month in Saint John's Around Pearl
something appropriate for a lady at seventy years of age
with some of the health concerns that she's brought forward.
Let's see if we can figure out something for your Debbie,

(42:11):
and I'll see what I could do with the shelter.
Describe your experience at the shelter, whether it be with
cleanliness or access to appropriate food, or violence or whatever
the case. Whatever the case we be, what's your experience
been like in the shelter.

Speaker 7 (42:30):
It's not fit for anybody, are you there?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, you'd want to give us a couple of examples
that make it not fit for anybody. I'm just curious,
just so we could pay.

Speaker 8 (42:42):
Your pa was stolen, my IDs were all stolen. My
cell phone was stolen. The only place that I found
that was good was the gathering place.

Speaker 7 (42:55):
The only thing wrong with the gathering place is that
you have to be out side for twelve hours, you know,
like they have a TV room in that, but like
the gathering places for everybody, so you know, you don't
usually get a seat to sit on, right, because there's
so many people. The one I'm in now is terrible.

(43:17):
You have to be gone from ten to three, and
they don't give you any options, right Like, you just
have to be gone rain snow, no matter what I wins,
you have to be out. That's the one on the merchant, right,
that's someone I'm in now. I don't know why they
picked this place for me, right, Like, there's a lot

(43:39):
of young people here that can you know, they're thirty,
they can handle that, right.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
But I'm out here.

Speaker 7 (43:45):
Now, sitting at the picnic table because you have to
be out by ten.

Speaker 9 (43:49):
Talking to you, Freezing.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
The Devil Debbie. No promises, but we'll see what we
can't do to try to help you house that.

Speaker 7 (44:00):
Well, everyone's saying that, you know, they can't promise them.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I'm still here, yeah, but you're talking to people that
work in that as for a living, as professionals working
for the government. That's not who I am. I just
do this job, so I can never make promises, and
I don't make them if I can't keep them. So
it's one thing for someone to work for the government
to say they can't make any promises. For me, I'll
put in an effort on your behalf. But I'm just
trying to make you aware of the fact that just

(44:25):
because you call it doesn't mean I'm going to be
able to snap my fingers and find something. But I
will try.

Speaker 7 (44:29):
Well, if I thought that about it, called you two
or three months ago, right, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
All right, leave it with me, Debbie. I'll see what
we can do. Yeah, we have your number. Yep, Okay,
thank you, You're welcome. Bye bye. And just the way
we handle the shelter business here is not the way
it's handled elsewhere. And it's time, you know, just remember
it was just last year, I think it was last
year that for the first time ever, we actually came

(44:56):
out with some operational expectations in the mercy the business,
so codes of conduct and some of the rules of
oversight and monitoring and inspections. I mean, it's just not
the way it should be. In addition to that, we
paid millions of dollars to private landlords to operate and
mercy shelters, and is it working. Of course it's not
so anyway you want to talk about it, let's go

(45:18):
before we get to the news. Let's called line number four. Colleen.
You're on the air. Hi, Good morning, Good morning to you.

Speaker 10 (45:26):
Yeah. I called you last week about my grandson's care
being stolen. Thanks to God and the good people of
social media and your radio station, we did find it
two days later. It had been stolen and been somebody

(45:50):
who's been joy riding in and these people are drug
dealers and it was very traumata informed my grandson. But
social media VOCM is the way to go when you
need help. And we've got so many chips of where

(46:12):
the car was, who the person was, and the police
still had the car. We're waiting the police had to
detail the care and through drugs and stuff, I guess,
but they stole He's eighteen years oldly just out of college.
They still a lot of his brand new hockey equipment.

(46:34):
He's running bands, but he's okay with my main concert,
and we got his care so he can do his
career that he is doing. I'd like to thank you
and your listeners and social media for getting right on
it for us.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
We're happy to help whenever we can. So this was
the twenty fifteen white civic that callar remember okay, yep, Well,
I'm glad you at least got the car back. It's
unfortunate that the thieves went on to steal the hockey equipment.
They probably don't even need it. They're probably just going
to try to sell it for a bit of pocket change.
We know people. So if he's eighteen years of age,

(47:18):
he's playing just rec hockey with these buddies, or what's
he playing?

Speaker 10 (47:21):
Well, he just scared at college and he joined the
junior team with the schoolmates. I guess. Okay, So he
went out and he said that about our new hockey equipment.
And of course when we open the trunk or please
open the trunk, he said, all everything was gone equipment.
So you know, what do you do? Right, he's trying

(47:46):
so hard and lungs. He's got his care for school
and he gets his career and he's a good kid,
very very good kid.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Well, I'm glad here. He's a good kid. I'm glad
he's got the car back. And we know people that
are in the hockey equipment business, they generally speaking try
to provide that type of support to much younger children.
But I'll drop a quick text off and see what
kind of hockey gear is kicking around for an eighteen
year old. Is he big guy or little guy?

Speaker 10 (48:15):
Or oh yeah he's tall, he's still he's probably five eight,
five nine, Okay, buddy's buddy's small. But that would be
so wonderful and so helpful because every penny's going into
schooling now and we want to keep that going and
keep them into sports and keep them out of trouble.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Absolutely. Yeah. Generally speaking, the hockey equipment banks that I'm
aware of and that we've helped in the past, they
usually have equipment for smaller, younger kids. But you never know.
It only costs me one quick text message to see
if there's any teenager or eighteen year old five eight
type of hockey equipment around, and I'm happy to send
that text. That's nothing to me, and we'll see what

(48:58):
we can do. I guarantee I and CA get some
of the equipment, though, no problem.

Speaker 10 (49:01):
God, thank you, thank you so much, and thank you
to your listeners and social media.

Speaker 6 (49:07):
They were so good to us.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I'm glad it worked out. Thank you Colleen for the updates.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
And thank you.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
You're welcome. Bye bye bye bye. Here you go. KAC
has returned. Hopefully when the police are processing it for evidence,
they can maybe find some evidence to link it to
whoever stole it. Let's get a break in, let me
come back, plenty show it for you, don't go ahead,
welcome back to the show. Let's go line line number one.
Sak More to the operations lead for the Student Design Group.

(49:34):
I've been more of the university. That's Shaki, Mary shakip
here on the air more and Patty, how are you
great today? How you doing? Give us an idea? What's
happening with the fourth annual Student Design Showcase?

Speaker 7 (49:50):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Sure so.

Speaker 11 (49:51):
Effectively, this event that happens annually is an avenue for
our engineering students to display their skills and their projects
and the things that they're you know, designing and competing
with on international level, you know, applying their technical knowledge
from classes to trying to solve practical problems, some of
which you know could have industry applications, some of which

(50:12):
are just kind.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Of for the fun end from the skilled building.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
So yeah, tonight that events happening.

Speaker 11 (50:19):
The kind of main goal besides the demonstration of all
those skills is to try and wrangle some funding to
keep these projects alive and have the ability to go
to their competitions and compete.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
What kind of pitches are we going to see tonight?
What kind of products are innovations?

Speaker 11 (50:39):
Okay, so quite a diverse range. I'd say there are
a few, I guess more marine based teams that have
like autonomous surface or underwater vehicles. We have a lot
of aerospace folks like a Mars rover, a high power rocket,
some UAVs, both fixed wing and kly copter. There's an

(51:00):
autonomous race cars and an off road single seat vehicle
like a Canon, but just single seat.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Is that it quite quite spread?

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Sounds like quite the spread? So are these basically at
the prototype stage are more advanced?

Speaker 6 (51:18):
It depends.

Speaker 11 (51:18):
Some teams are a bit new, so they might have
just completed their conceptual phase or the first prototype. Other
teams are kind of working of like a second or
a third prototype, and there is a bit more I
guess completeness to it. But in general, most teams are
gearing up for competition mid to late twenty twenty six,

(51:40):
so about you know this time next year, they'll have
all their finished work on display.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Very cool. I mean we get dragged into the infrastructure
jefs Ademamorial University and trying to save twenty million dollars,
and we don't talk enough about the good call op programs.
So the fact, like even in the business school, punches
way above their way down the national and international stage
in these type of business competitions. Same thing when it
comes to innovation and tech. I mean, we're hosting an
international competition I believe it's next year, so we've done

(52:08):
very well here. So paint the pictro just how advanced
money is on these international and national stages.

Speaker 11 (52:14):
Sure well, I can tell you for sure that Memorials
become quite the top pick for like Tesla for example,
for getting co ops, and it's been very common for
them to say that months use are some of the best.
For example this past year, Paradigm Engineering with their autonomous
go kart one second place internationally at the competition, and

(52:37):
Eastern Edge a remote controlled and I think plusable also
autonomous underwater vehicle got third place internationally at the main
RV competition. And yeah, a lot of these students who
are on these teams go and get very good co
ops at local or at international companies, and their skills

(52:58):
are very well noticed.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
What kind of tootelages or mentorship do they get ins
far as the pitch, because it's one thing to have,
you know, identified an issue or a problem, proposed an
innovative solution, but that you know, these initial rounds of
funding also come with the need to be able to
package up a concise but convincing pitch. What kind of
tootlage do they get on that front?

Speaker 11 (53:23):
Not a whole lot of in depth, but there are
certain folks in the department and like around the Student
Design Hub that kind of have done this before. Certainly
there are a few co founders and founders on the
board of the directors of the Student Design Hub that
have kind of weighed in on kind of drafting up

(53:43):
frameworks and guidance for the students to formulate their page.
And they also help review all their submission documents to
kind of help give them that a little bit of
learning for yeah, getting pitched and kind of generate some funding.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Is this something to the general public, Yes, this.

Speaker 11 (54:00):
Is open to the general public. Technically there is an RSVP,
but I don't think anyone's going to be upset if
folks just kind of come through the front doors of
the way late room and just have a look around.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Sounds good to anything else you want to say this morning, Shakib,
Why do we.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Have you No?

Speaker 11 (54:18):
I guess I'll kind of add to my last point.
This is happening six pm to nine pm tonight, so
you know, if you're interested, if you know someone who
is in a company or looking to hire people or
gift funding, or you are one, really drop down and
see what our engineer students are up to.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Sounds great, man, Good luck with it this evening. Thank
you very much. There you have a go one you
tubeau Bye bye, Shakib. Mary's the operations lead for the
student Design Showcase or this design group. And I mean,
I think that sometimes gets lost on the University of conversation.
We talk about tuition freeze going away and how tuition
has doubled, and the infrastructure deficit and some of those

(54:55):
things which grab headlines and we know why, but some
of the issues regarding my Moral University where we really
do very well. You know, we still are very competitive
in the tuition world, but the quality and the caliber
the co op programs, the business school, the engineering school,
the med school, some of the tech and innovative work
that goes on there, I mean it does get lost

(55:16):
in shuffle. Some of it might be boring to some,
maybe some it is niche to others, but it goes
a long way with the reputation of the school. I
mean even some of the work being done. And to
contradict myself, even in the world of artificial intelligence, some
of the investments being done there, specifically in the world
of healthcare has been recognized internationally and investment dodders are

(55:37):
flowing as a result. So again it's careful. I try
to be careful in the AI conversation because yes, for
some it's going to be extremely helpful. It may need
change the way we do business in the world of
healthcare the investments that can be dealt with or achieved
by artificial intelligence. But that is not the same conversation
that I engage in with the amount of what they

(55:57):
refer to as AI slop. We say see on social
media or other forms of media. That's where I think
we've kind of lost the plot somewhat. And again, to
think that that genie is going to be easily put
back in the bottle is impossible. If half of the
American GDP growth is associated directly with artificial intelligence investments,

(56:17):
then of course those with the money called the shots,
and they've called them. Let's get a break in, don't
go away, Welcome back to the show. Let's go to
line number two. Denise are on the air.

Speaker 12 (56:29):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 10 (56:30):
How are you.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I'm okay, thank you? How about you?

Speaker 12 (56:33):
I'm good, Thank you, Patty mccallay. About the old prop
a campaign initiative, I've spent twenty more years as a
volunteer with the Nuclear Labor or Sexual Assault Crisis Center,
and actually i've spoken to you in a few times
while I was there, and I've since retired, if you
call retired from volunteering. However, it is an issue that's

(56:56):
still very dear to me. And I read you're talking
this morning about this term toxic male. Now I've been away,
you know, from this for a while, but I have
heard that going around recently, and in my experience, it's
just another title. There have always been men who have
been very violent, but I found that they are in

(57:18):
the minority. The majority of men out there are very
supportive of women. They do not participate in violence against women.
In actualality, they will fight against it. So I guess
it's like you're saying, Goes. You know, there are toxic males,
but not all males are toxic.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Of course not. And I mean that's how one listener
heard what I had said, even though I never used
the word toxic firsten or last. So obviously, if someone
is committing crimes against women or children or young girls,
then that person can absolutely be labeled toxic. But my experiences,
most men don't fit into that envelope. And I'm glad

(57:57):
that you're the one saying it it this morning, Denise.

Speaker 12 (58:00):
Absolutely, and in my twenty one year's of experience, I
did find that repeatedly, Bedue. There are some amazing men
who have done some awesome work in you know, furthering
anti violence campaigns against women, and I've seen that firsthand.
But again, they do walk among us, unfortunately, and these

(58:20):
are the ones who commit to violence, and they're the
ones that we hear about on the news and everything
like that. Now, one of the things that I found
in my time there was that violence and mals often
learned behavior, not all the time. Sometimes there were deeper
issues that I guess should you know, would take a
psychiatrist to talk about. But you know, there were many times,

(58:44):
for example, that women would call they were in situations
with domestic violence, and they would be debating whether or
not to leave, and they would say, well, my children,
he never touches them easily, a good father, but he
was very violent.

Speaker 6 (59:01):
To his partner.

Speaker 12 (59:03):
And it is a big decision for women to uproot
their children, go to the show, to take them away
from everything they know, and you know, face this on certainty,
but I would say to them quite often, you know, Okay,
he doesn't commit violence against your children, but your children
is witnessing him commit violence against you. So they're normalizing.

(59:28):
Your sons are learning that it's okay to treat women
like that, Your daughters are learning it's okay to be
treated like that. And so a lot of the behavior
is learned, and fortunately sometimes can be unlearned people who
grew up in violent homes, and it's generational, it's gone back,

(59:54):
and that's what I know. We did a study on that,
and it was proven that almost ninety percent of the
case is now. Like I said, there are people with
psychiatric issues, you know, but in almost every case that
was the situation. So it is the behavior that can
be unlearned. And we have had men who have come

(01:00:15):
forward and said, you know, I used to be this
way and I've changed and you know I've made amends
and what have you. The other thing about this campaign
is someone mentioned about money, and there's not a lot goes.
You know, where does all the money go with these
campaigns and programs. I know, in the twenty one years

(01:00:35):
that I was there, there were some amazing initiatives and
programs that was set up, many fortunately at the grassroots level,
that directly impacted and helped victims of sexual violence, domestic violence,
what have you. And I was very proud to be

(01:00:56):
a part of those initiatives and a lot of them
still stand down. That's where the money needs to keep going. Yes,
so much needs to go for policy changes because we
still have a lot of that to work towards. But
you know, the money I still have to go to
the grassroots level organizations so that they can do their
work directly with victims and turn them into survivors and

(01:01:20):
help them, you know, drive not just survive, but try.
And so I just wanted to reiterate that the Purple
Ribbon Campaign does do a lot of really good work
in this province particularly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
And it's it's necessary. But that's also a crying shame
that this type of campaign in sixteen days of activism
is required. But let's all just be honest with ourselves.
It's happening. We know what's happening, and there's just so
much needs to be done. And I'm glad you talked
about you know, there's no forgiveness offer for say, in
this case the man beating the wife, but not beating

(01:01:57):
the children. You're one hundred percent right. When we normalize
this type of behavior, the possibility or the potential for
those children to see it as normal behavior, to bring
that thought process into their teen years, into their adult
years is very real. I mean, everything starts at home.
Some of these things are one hundred percent learned behavior.
So that's why I think, you know, people are low
to talk about complex emotional issues in school, but that's

(01:02:20):
where we're talking about the developing brain. That's how you know,
you learn how to socialize you learn what's acceptable, you
learn about respect, self respect, and otherwise, so to not
talk about as children are growing and we teach them
as to what exactly is acceptable and the reasons why
other things are unacceptable. They were just missing the captive audience.

Speaker 12 (01:02:38):
Opportunity, absolutely, and you know it needs to be about
a program for children. Talking about it in a ten
minute session in grade four is just not going to
do the trick, you know what I mean, because you're
living at these kids are living it every day of
their lives, to witnessing it every day of their lives,
is being normalized every day of their lives. And this

(01:02:59):
is why it's still such a big issue all these
years later, and this is why it's going to continue
to be an issue until programs like the Purple Reverend
campaign starts, you know, taking it to kids and going
into schools and talking about domestic violence, sexual violence. How
they see other men, fathers, uncles, grandfathers, family friends, talking

(01:03:25):
about women, Are they sexualize women, they commit violent acc
against women, and to let them know that that's that's wrong,
and to teach them that that behavior is unacceptable and
what the consequences of that behavior could be, which means
jail time, loss of a relationship, and you know, we

(01:03:49):
can go on and on. So you know, when you
talk about toxic males, and this is a new term,
I envisioning younger men. So you know, I wonder what
and while that these younger men grow up in because
like I said, most men are not toxic. Most men
are not violence. We don't and we don't and actually
considered the reverse and very supportive. But these are the

(01:04:12):
ones that we need to get to, and we need
to get to them whether they're still young. This is
where it starts, and this is where it is to continue.
Because we could talk forever about girls and their behavior
and another dress. We've done that in the past. You
know it doesn't work, and you know, but this is where, uh,
you know, the education has to start with young males.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
And you know, someone can feel really innocuous and I'm
not going to this is I'm not offering this as
some sort of whiny complaints based on what I hear
and what people shoot at me. But I mean even
just the people send me emails sometimes and they feminize
me in a way to try to knock me off
my pedestal or whatever. The right phrase is, you know,

(01:04:55):
call me Patricia, and Trudeau is Justine, Andrew me Rachel,
and I think that's some sort of reference to Rachel
Mattow SNBC. I'm not really sure, but they might not realize. Well,
it doesn't hurt me because my skin is pretty thick
these days. But it's just a glary example of the mindset.
You know, if you think that that's some sort of insult,

(01:05:17):
then you've got a weird way of going about your
adult business.

Speaker 12 (01:05:21):
Yeah, and to you know, to recognize the fact that
they're using feminine names as a form of an insult.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Absolutely, that's what they're doing when they sent me those notes, insulting.

Speaker 12 (01:05:33):
One male, putting you, mail you down and denigrating what
you're saying. And they're doing that by using the feminine, which,
of course anyone else listening, particularly younger males and who
are already up this mindset already, there's this insidious thought
in their mind that the female is not as important,

(01:05:53):
that the female is lesser than So it's easy to
commit an act of violence on someone that you've se
is less just than what you are.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
It's a lot of value and I shouldn't giggle. I'm
not giggling at the subject, obviously, I'm just kind of
having a slight chuckle to myself about how they think
that they're making some sort of legitimate point when they
choose to call me a girl's name, because they think
that that's some form of an insult. It's a really
a real self tell, you know, says more about them

(01:06:25):
than it does about me. And again I'm not whining
about it, nor do I consider when it's aimed at
me any sort of act of violence. I just find
it to be juvenile, and insofar as what it means
socidally speaking, it speaks volumes as to how some people
just think like that. And I'm not going to insinuate
that any of these people that write me emails like
that have done anything violent in this world to anybody, man, woman,

(01:06:47):
or child. But it's just such a weird way to
approach the concept or the art of insult. Anything else
you'd like to say this morning, the Nie, what we
have you?

Speaker 12 (01:06:58):
Well, just okay, you have a group, For example, you
have a group of thirteen fourteen year old males. One
says or does something, the other one says, oh, you're
such a Nancy. The Risdom on. What they're thinking is
Nancy is not okay, Nancy is not where are they
so right?

Speaker 13 (01:07:17):
There?

Speaker 12 (01:07:17):
These sieeds are being planted. That's still in their danger
is not whether somebody is offended by being called Nancy.
Is what it means when the male calls another male
and Nancy in the derogatory way, and that seede starts
to grow into well, if your name is Nancy and
you're a woman, you're not deserving. It's the same expect

(01:07:39):
as the name of George or John.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
It's how it comes across, Denise Waiting, appreciate your time
this morning, thank.

Speaker 12 (01:07:45):
You, thank you for your time, Patty, and take care.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
You too, Bye bye, bye bye. And again, look on
a personal level, the insults that come fast and furious,
I mean, they really do. And the vast majority of
insults are only offered by folks via email, and they're
welcome to join us live on the air, no problem there.
But it's remarkable to me just how many of these
And there's a pandful and look again, I don't consider

(01:08:12):
it an act of violence against me. I think it
says more about them than it does about me. But
just so many, and there's a distinct group of folks
that do it to me all the time, and they
can't help themselves by thinking that it's some sort of
mockery and or some sort of insult that's going to
actually hurt me, or land in my head about just

(01:08:35):
calling me a girl's name. I just find it bizarre.
I mean, there's lots of other ways to insult me,
God knows I deserve plenty of them, but that one
always strikes me as just so weird. Let's see here,
let's get a break in, don't go away, welcome back
to the show. Let's go lond number three. Sygamores a

(01:08:55):
word for counselor here in town, that's Tom Tommy around
the air morning, Patty Morning.

Speaker 9 (01:09:02):
There's always a lot going on.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
There.

Speaker 14 (01:09:07):
I want to start with some city stuff. There is
a process within the city where speedclming can occur and
a lot of residents are confused by it. And so
you know, based on what happens is you apply to
the city Transportation Department and asset your city, your street
be considered. They'll evaluate it based on traffic flow and speed,

(01:09:30):
and based upon that evaluation, then there will be a
survey distributed to the neighborhood to see the street, to
see how many people are interested in taking action, and
based upon that being positive, then there is a temporary
speed humps put in, and that's the rubber or rubberized

(01:09:53):
ramp type structures that go on your street. And now
so I've said I have two streets in my ward,
Smithsville Crests and an Empire that had those this year.
And of course, now what happens is because they're not
blow proof, then they come up this time of year
and then the questions start again is to okay, have
we lost it?

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
And the answer is no.

Speaker 14 (01:10:15):
But they come up for the winter, and the city
then distributes another survey to the residence of the street
to determine whether they feel it was successful and they
want to continue with it, which is what will happen
over the winter. And then based upon that result, then
the city will contract with a contractor who will put
the permanent speed humps in, which which is usually what

(01:10:38):
happens as a rule of the neighborhood or in favor
of it. And it continues to but there's a process,
and some of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
The major throoughfares, you simply can't put them down in
the first place. People point to some of the obvious
to me all the times, like military road for instance,
you know, when it's a prime route for first responder,
some of those routes simply do not cannot have some
of these the calming measures. I think there's availability of
car bump outs and stuff, but not speed bumps, that's correct.

Speaker 14 (01:11:07):
And also if a hill, if a road is too steep,
it also doesn't qualify from attraction point of view. Okay,
so that's out there. We got the results back from
our raid on study. I don't know if you recall,
but back in the early winter, the city as well
as a lot of other municipalities within the province, participated
in a funded raid on study where residents could pick

(01:11:30):
up a certain number of a kit and they were
distributed within the city equally through the wards. And so
we got the results back from that. And you know
the way that they measure raate on, which is a
olderless colorless gas that is generated from naturally occurring uranium
in the soil and then makes it makes its way

(01:11:52):
up into the foundations of people's homes and buildings. Anyway,
so the results came back and they measured by bachar
rals per meter cubed back rails per meter cubed and
so within the city of Saint John's and this was
spread all throughout the city. But around ten percent head

(01:12:14):
you know, concerning ones which would be over two hundred
bacarrels per meter cube. I'll into over the thousands. I
know you've had a gentleman who does this kind of
work on speaking with you. It was actually rate on
awareness months recently. But anyways, yeah, so ten percent was

(01:12:36):
over was over two hundred. Around twenty five percent was
between one hundred and two hundred, which down in the
States would be considered actually concerning, but that is one
hundred to two hundred is acceptable within Canadian measures. And
then around sixty four to sixty five percent were under
one hundred. For people's benefits, get that information.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Out, it's helpful obviously, and just so people understand the
associated health risk outside of smoking. The second leading cause
of lung cancer in the country is right on right
on gas. So it's important to have your house tested.
We tested ours. We came up safe, Thanks be to God.
Because some of the way to resolve the issue in
your home, what they call active soil to pressurization systems

(01:13:22):
can be pretty expensive, but when you're measuring that cost
against your health, I suppose people will take the time
and the money to try to rectify it. And then
you've got to be constantly at whether it be general
ventilation and repeated testing into the future to ensure that
what you would attempt it has actually cured the problem.
That's right.

Speaker 14 (01:13:39):
The other thing too is if you are a smoker,
it's a force multiplier, so it actually significantly increases your
chance of getting lung cancer if you smoke and have
read right on present in your home. So that's another
thing to bear in mind.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Yeah, by a factor of six, I think.

Speaker 14 (01:13:54):
Yeah, Well, we actually had some kits left over, so
we're going to have two hundred hits on hand to
give to give out again for people who might have
missed the opportunity. So that's going to start November twenty
sixth at four pm and we're so basically you can

(01:14:15):
contact access or call three one one and we'll make
arrangements free.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
To be able to pick them up.

Speaker 14 (01:14:21):
So there's that, okay, So just remind residents that we're
in the budget process right now and remind about the
eight percent possible increase in people's taxes if the council
does not find ways to reduce and that's the process
we're in. And I haven't received really any emails. I

(01:14:43):
got a couple of calls, but you know, if people
are concerned about their taxes going up, now is the
time to speak out and send that message aloud and
claar to your elect's officials. Okay, I'm going to take
off the council council hat and I want to engage
in the AI conversation. I want to start with the

(01:15:03):
fact that the violence awareness is on and it has
been shown that bill learn as young as eight and
nine are being found by their teachers in school viewing
pornography on their devices, and that has all kinds of
knock on impacts when it comes to respect for women,

(01:15:25):
in particular, because the way a lot of this pornography
can depict treatment of women can be very, very negative
at any age. But you can only imagine the developing
brain of an eight or nine year old boy how
that can impact their thinking in their brain development. So

(01:15:45):
you know, that's something parents need to be really aware of.
There are measures you can take, but again, as they
become older and wiser, they will find ways like VPNs
around some of the measures that parents can put in place.
So it's really something the parents want to get up
to speed on and consult with experts and be really

(01:16:07):
aware of it because it's a real thing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Yeah, when you hear those stories, and some parents have
reported to me that their child knows that one of
their buddies in the classroom is looking at porn Annie's
device during school. And here I thought we had a
cell phone back in the schools, you know, not just
for texting and or wasting your time or playing whatever
popular games around people's phones. But the young fellow, this
was great eight. The kid was looking at poorn Onnie's

(01:16:31):
phone in the classroom during school.

Speaker 14 (01:16:34):
Wild story, right, And you know, and then you then
take this to the AI creating deep fake porn. Now
that is very easy to take a picture off someone
social media, run it through a filter and you can
you can actually be creating deep fake porn. And it's
something that the victim would have no idea about. And again,
this is just all part of this world that we're

(01:16:56):
that we're that we're rushing into when it comes to AI.
And you know, I just want to echo the words
of Jeffrey Hinton, who is a Canadian British scientist who's
won the Nobel Prize in Physics for his help in
developing the underpinnings of the large language models that we're

(01:17:19):
utilizing now for you know, the catchypts of the world.
And you know, like like most well intentioned scientists, whether
it's the people who have developed the nuclear bomb or
the gentleman who invented the curag pods, you know, unintended consequences. Unfortunately,
once you've let the cat out of the bag, that's

(01:17:39):
the world we're in. And you know, he really has
some very significant concerns and it really behooves all of
us to take the time to listen to him and
a couple of other people who are sounding the alarm.
But you know, his you know, the concerns which most
people can relate to, which is loss of uh, you know,
occupation and john which is a really big concern. But

(01:18:02):
his real sobering concern that he says is that he
cannot think of any organism that exists on the Earth
that is controlled by an inferior being. So, you know,
as AI becomes more and more evolved, it has that
potential to start making its own decisions, and there are

(01:18:23):
already cases where AI left with its own devices will
actually deceive the humans that are trying to either shut
it down or upgrade it, or even bribe them, you know,
to be self preserving. You know, this is like science fiction,
but it's no longer sience fiction. A lot of the

(01:18:43):
military militarization now is becoming more and more AI driven.
In Ukraine right now, a lot of the casualties are
actually being done by drones, which which you know, can
just basically told to go over there and go go
find someone who fits this profilele and it can be
very specific. You can actually program them now to specifically

(01:19:04):
go find it, you know, a specific face, and and
and and do what what what drones can potentially do.
So all these things are all very very scary, and
like you said, there's no going back. If if half
of the GDP increases the United States is driven by
AI development and by for profit motivation, then again, like

(01:19:27):
a lot of the existential challenges that we all face.
You know, the humans you know who are most directly
going to be affected but have to become part of
controlling and putting regulations in place. You know, and then
it brings you to the most recent relevation, relevation that

(01:19:48):
you know, we've we've paid one point six million dollars
for a study that from Deloitte that that potentially as
has been generated by AI. And you know, the question
then becomes, you know, if we have experts working for
the province that have.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
The ability to create the uh, the.

Speaker 14 (01:20:11):
The paper for the for the for the tender that
goes out to do this study, then really they have
the potential just to feed that into AI. And if
all we're doing is paying one point six million dollars
to a company to use AI, then we might as
well just be using ourselves because ultimately, we have to
write the parameters of the tender that a consultant might
be using. So you know, if we had the ability
to write the tender and then receive it and then

(01:20:32):
make a decision on it, then really we don't need
the consultant. So so you know, I'd like to call
on government to maybe start looking at and I can
also include the city in this, start looking at AI,
having our own professionals using AI to give us the
same studies and the same results and save money. Because
if that's the world we're in, then then we might
as well take advantage of it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Batie time. Thanks Tom, take care of one, you too,
boyd bye and again this is not for fair, this
is for information. There's actual core cases and plenty of
them about youth using these large language models like CHATCHPT.
There was one story about the young fellow was simply
asking about who was the best soccer player, was it
Messi or Ronaldo? And eventually the chap GPT requested some

(01:21:16):
nude photows of the twelve year old boy. There's another
story that's in the court right now in California where
this lonely isolated teenager was going back and forth over
extended amounts of time with one of these open AI
or one of these large language models, and they were planned.
The AI was planting seeds of suicide in this child's

(01:21:37):
mind and tell them, you know, here's how to hide
it from your parents, and died by suicide. I mean,
all of a sudden, what was not a huge concern
as recently as twelve months ago is now exponentially grown
as a problem. It's just madness. Let's take a break,
don't go away, welcome back to the show. Let's go

(01:21:57):
to LNE number one. Take it went to the NDP
member for Saint John Center, the part of Jim you
around the air.

Speaker 15 (01:22:02):
Good morning, Patty, thank you for having me, no problem,
just having a little chat on me. With regards to
the the software for E A L. Or English as
an additional language for newcomers who enter into the school system.
For the second year in a row now the the

(01:22:24):
department has failed to fail to renew the subscription for
two years in a row. I've had teachers, E L
teachers and itinerants calling really upset and concerned about this,
and it seems when it when, when it makes it

(01:22:45):
to the media, that's when all of a sudden, the
funding is now going to become permanent. Last year, I
was approached and in the other part of this this
is in we're in, We're not. This is not September.
In both cases it's they're no. JUSTI was made until
several months into the school year. So last year when

(01:23:05):
the teachers, teachers called me, they were told very clearly
how they put it, not to expect to do their
jobs where they did them in the past. And of
course I think by this time the district was fully
integrated into the the department and they took that mean
that there would be a cost of cuts to any
travel they need to get to their students, that positions

(01:23:27):
weren't going to be filled and the software was not
going to be renewed. So it took several letters into
the Minister of Education about just trying to get answers,
getting vague responses, and I think just on the eve
of the house opening they got noticed that the that
that the funding was going to was reinstated. I suspect

(01:23:51):
it because the house was going to open and they
probably figured I was going to be asking some questions
about it. And this year I figured, Okay, the problem
is so all the same thing again. You've got teachers
who are rely on software telling me that they that
it's not going to be renewed. And I think then
the media starts asking questions and all of a sudden,

(01:24:12):
it's it's it's it's been resorted, hopefully this time that
this will not be repeated a third time. But I
really think over the last year this is an attempt
by the department to uh cut corners and and unfortunately
it has an impact on the students who are depending

(01:24:33):
on who are learning English as an additional language, and
the teachers who are trying not only help them learn
the English language but also to overcome learning the gaps
in their education. So it's it's frustrating to have to
deal with this two years in a row. I can't
hold the current administration accountable for it, but if it

(01:24:53):
happens next year, it will be sure.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
And just if you are going to fight back saying
don't we have bigger things to worry about in the
school system, let's just paint a picture here, and this
goes for every disruption or lack of support that's available
for one student or another, it impacts the entire class.
This is not just about children learning English as an
additional language. If the teacher has to spend more time
and fighting with software that's not reapproved for this year

(01:25:18):
or whatever the case may be, that time is taken
away from other general duties as a teacher in the classroom.
So while you might think that this is not a
big issue, every issue where we don't have required supports
for teachers and students impacts the entire class. We have
to keep saying that because it's absolutely the facts.

Speaker 15 (01:25:35):
Look and you hit the nail on the head here.
Not only that the teachers who are okay, how they
can monitor students in real time and find the materials
that they need. But here's the other part of it.
Especially let's look at I. You skid this from, especially
from the primary and elementary grades. I taught high school.
We had the learn program, the literacy enrichment and academic

(01:26:00):
readiness for newcomers, and by this time they you know,
they there's a lot of independence. But you tip put
this at the primary and elementary level, where you might
have a large class size, half of whom who might
have who might very well be newcomers who are just
struggling with the language. Keep in mind they might already

(01:26:21):
know two or three other languages, just not English. They
might have gaps in the learning. They might be dealing
with trauma from whatever the situation they left. So you
combine that with the mental health issues and any other
like exceptionalities there and it creates It does not enhance
the learning environment. But having the tools at your disposal

(01:26:44):
is not only helping not only helping that teacher help
those children, but also making sure that learning takes place
in that classroom as well. So it's it's significant. It's
about having the education system resource properly to meet the
needs other students in that classroom. That's and it's a
both academic success and the success for the future as well.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
At Patty simple as that, And again on the campaign trail,
there was little to know or very little conversation about education,
which is a head scratcher to me. Look, no further
we can talk about absenteism and violence, what have you?
Academic outcomes which all of those other issues dovetail with
academic outcomes. The trends in two thousand and three is

(01:27:26):
not encouraging. And if we're talking about long term viability
and prosperity here in this province, given the aging, the
aging demographic and the fact that we've now sixty five
are part of me twenty five percent of the population
sixty five and older. If we don't do well in education,
whoever's last out closed the door. And I don't know
why there's not more of a keen focus on education

(01:27:47):
because it is going to be the lynchpin of future
successes here in this province.

Speaker 15 (01:27:51):
The end I said, I've said that, Look, you got
to stop treating education as a budget line. Is an
investment and we did when we were asked by the
NLTA to take part in a town debate on this,
We're only too happy to do. You know, it's my passion.
I know we should. We could have. We did have
in our platform several initiatives to address so when it

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came to the school of violence, but for the most part,
we could have been talking about it more as well.
But at the same time, I will tell you sixty
five twenty five percent of the population over sixty five,
and I think, and I don't know how many more
years it will be fifty percent. So unless we're finding
ways to attract families, attract young people, making sure that

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young people have success, we're going to have We're going
to have a human resources deficit down the road in
terms of the innovation, the workforce, the taxpayer base that
we need to support the province and those who are
who are in their senior years. It's as simple as that.
That's a connection I see. And you don't do that

(01:28:54):
by taking resources away from teachers that will that in
many cases helping help them help their students succeed. It's
as simple as that. I'm hoping though the new minister,
it will is going to make sure that this doesn't
happen next year. But as I've already said, if it is,

(01:29:15):
there will be there will be questions in the House
of Assembly on it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
This for sure. Appreciate times for warning, Jim, Thank you,
take care, Thank you, Bye bye, Jim Dinners, the NDP
member Saint John Center and of course later of the
provincial New Democratic Party. Let's get a break in when
we come back. Lots of show left for you if
you're in and around town. Seven zero nine two seven
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then we're coming back.

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Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Looking back to the program, let's go to line number two.
Good morning Joey around the.

Speaker 6 (01:30:06):
Air, Good morning Paddy, how are you doing this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Okay, how about you, good Patty.

Speaker 6 (01:30:15):
I'm talking about the seniors now, I'm a senior. Alf Hey,
I'm sixty I'm sixty seven of the sixty eight now
January thirtieth. Now you told me that we're getting fifteen
one hundred and fifty one dollars with our guest.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
The maximum benefit and the senior's benefit is exactly that.
That's correct over the course of a year.

Speaker 6 (01:30:38):
Okay, I got something to tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
That's not true.

Speaker 6 (01:30:44):
I was talking to the guest crowd, right, he said.
He asked me how much I used to get the GEST.
I said, I used to get five one hundred and
fifty dollars. Then I said, last year you up to
six hundred and fifty dollars. Well, these that's the way

(01:31:05):
you're receiving that fifteen hundred and fifty one dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
It's different the it's not a GST increase. It's a
provincial senior's benefit, so it's administered by the Canadian Revenue Agency.
But it is not part of your GSDHST credit. It's
a separate thing that is a provincial benefit.

Speaker 6 (01:31:26):
So one will receive it with the GUST that you
told me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Yeah, it comes out around the same time, but it
is provincial moneies that are very specific to seniors. In
this province that have an adjusted family net income of
thirty thousand dollars, just a little over thirty thousand dollars,
and it's a maximum of fifteen hundred and fifty one
dollars for single seniors or couples with that net adjusted
family income.

Speaker 6 (01:31:48):
Yep, so you haven't let the applies for right?

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Nope?

Speaker 6 (01:31:53):
Oh no, GST it all any difference.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Yeah, but there are. It's not a GST crowd conversation.
It's a provincial conversation. You have to file your taxes.
If you file your taxes on time, you will receive
this benefit. There's a partial benefit too that flows between
if your net family income or your single senior's income
is between thirty thousand dollars and forty three thousand, three
hundred and fifty dollars or something like that, so there's

(01:32:18):
a partial benefit as well. But it is a maximum
benefit of fifteen fifty one. It's provincial moneys. If you qualify,
you will CIRA will note because of your net income
as reported in your taxes. So it's not a GST conversation,
it's a provincial conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:32:36):
So I should receive with my g OR team, the
man you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Will get it. If you qualify, you will get that
particular senior's benefit.

Speaker 6 (01:32:44):
In the way, I'm one out of my taxes, I
claim twenty five thousand because I'm not old age and
security agreet.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Okay, so on algebral right, yeap. You have to be
sixty four years of age at least by the thirty
first of December of the tax year in question. So
you're sixty seven. Well you're all set.

Speaker 6 (01:33:04):
Then, yeah, you're sure that though.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:33:09):
Yeah, we did your team the year last year, the
night seven and.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
One they got, well, they lost Clumbus the other night
for three. Uh, they're doing okay. I mean it's unfortunate
that they've suffered some injuries when they were really rolling.
But I think they look good. They're young, they're fast,
goaltending has been pretty good so far, so hopefully they
keep rolling. I suppose they're the only Canadian based team
in the playoffs spot at the moment, I think.

Speaker 6 (01:33:34):
I'm doing you because I'm not following up one playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
They're hitt and missed by. I don't know about the Leafs.
They've got some obviously superstar players.

Speaker 6 (01:33:44):
But I don't know is he doing anything winning is
he winning?

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Are they winning? Yeah, certainly not as much as Leaves
fans would hope they would be winning. Well, they're the
last in the Atlantage. They've only got like nine wins.

Speaker 6 (01:34:02):
Was a lot of that to you, betty?

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
No, one more thing the day, quick, one, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
I lost my cat about ten months ago.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Right, your tent.

Speaker 6 (01:34:16):
Cat, pussy cat.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Oh your cattle, okay, your cattle, yeah, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:34:20):
Ten months ago. Now, I heard a cat bahn on
the bridge there the other day, so I opened up door.
Inky gum went went right to her lot cobby as
hours used go to and lie down right and went
right to where you was ever a kiddy into their

(01:34:41):
paying too, And then they had their kiddy paying there.
So I still kept their kiddy pan. I still kept
their food and the kiddy today. So I put the
kitty in their in her pain, and she went right
to her pain. What I was having to under the
sink in the wash room, right. I called her by
name will all, and she came right to meet mcshaw.

(01:35:04):
He did, and stat banging to me legs mc show
he did, and frickener to he's up in the air.

Speaker 13 (01:35:11):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:35:11):
Another guy came and I'm inter.

Speaker 16 (01:35:14):
His name and said that that was his cat. So
he told now she came back James morning. Boy, would
a strange cat come in my house?

Speaker 6 (01:35:24):
Wouldn't my my cat and go right to her cobbyo
which who sleeps too, and go we just have a
kid in her pain? But he wouldn't there at the time. Now, boy,
would a strange cat come in my house and call
it by name and come banging to me? Legs big
show he's done and stricken her to he's up in

(01:35:47):
the air.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
I have no idea. So is it your cat?

Speaker 6 (01:35:50):
Yes, this is my cat? She came back games one.
Now I'm keep out of time because her daughter guy's
kit name was Sherry. Right, I've seen her this morning.
I sung out Cherry Harry, and you wouldn't even look
towards me. I sung out my cat's name, Willow, and
she ran read from me. No, I don't care, Oh,

(01:36:16):
well breaks out. I'm keeping the cat as me landlords.
Mother told me to my cat as who gave her
to me? So would you blame me to keep it?

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Well, I mean, I'm not getting involved in a custody
battle over a cat. But if it's your cat, then
you should keep it. If it's not, you should give.

Speaker 6 (01:36:35):
Me my cat. I know cat. I sung out Cherry, Sherry, Harry,
and you wouldn't even look toward me, which is my
body's cat's name, right, And when I sung out Willow,
my cat's name, she ran rid to me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
Well, I'm glad the cat came back. Appreciate the time.
Ten months and one more very quickly.

Speaker 6 (01:37:01):
If I don't, I don't. If I don't talk to you,
no more, no before Christmas. Merry Christmas to you and
your family, and the very same to you and Willow. Okay,
thank you, Betty, thanks Joe, all of nice nice day.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Yeah right, Abe, the cat came back. All right, there
we go. Let's see here we do. It's eleven, fourteen
and thirty seconds. So we won't take Ann's call, but
Ann's and the Q. She wants to talk about a
nursing home down on the Burea Peninsula, which one in
particular we'll find out. John's also the cue to talk
about the two court roaders regarding the fatal flash fire

(01:37:35):
explosion out at the Brave Renewables planted. A man is
dead and so when the rolling comes down, it comes
with a financial penalty. Which always feels like it doesn't
quite go far enough when we talk about safe workplace
and in this case people severely injured and one man
is dead. I believe his name is Sean Patton, right
from Clarenville. Let's get that breaking, don't go away. Welcome
back to the show. Let's go line number four and

(01:37:57):
you're on the air.

Speaker 17 (01:37:58):
Hello, Hi there, Hi, I'm calling from the Born Peninsula. Patty.
Also learn if you'd be able to give me a
number that I can contact about a certain home around
the Born Peninsula regarding their meals.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
So you want to make a complaint about the meals, Yes,
I really do. Okay, So do you know who operates
the home?

Speaker 6 (01:38:22):
Is that they know?

Speaker 17 (01:38:24):
I don't because I think it was newly just transferred
over to somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Yeah, because if it's a strictly private operator, you would
have to So it's a personal care home, yes, okay,
Well there's a personal care for people with.

Speaker 17 (01:38:37):
Dimension now and Alzheimer's and stuff like that. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Well, if it's operated by the province, then you go
to an outlet called client Relations at Eastern Health to
make that sort of complaint. If it's own privately, then
there's an Association, the Personal Care Home Association, so it
kind of depends on who actually operates it. If it
is Eastern Health, I can give you that numbers.

Speaker 17 (01:39:02):
No problem, okay, Can I have that number?

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Two?

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Sure? Here comes al right, t Client relations office, complaints
and compliments, all right. Here you go, just waiting for
this computer to move a little quicker than it generally does.
Let's see here. I have a toll free telephone number
for you. It's one yes eight seven seven okay four

(01:39:27):
four four yes, one three nine nine.

Speaker 17 (01:39:32):
Okay, thank you very much. Now, me and Patty, I
was over here last week and my aunt, she lives
in order. She's eighty nine years old, okay. And for supper, well,
the broadery in a bowl of soup and a sandwich
for supper, and she didn't like the soup and wanted
to come back in. They brought her back in. Five

(01:39:54):
fish snuggets on the plate. Well, near bit of mashed potato. Nope, peas,
no carrots, and not even half a slice of bread.
That's what she had to eat for supper.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Doesn't sound like a whole lot.

Speaker 4 (01:40:12):
No.

Speaker 17 (01:40:13):
And the week before that, when you come in to
bring in her meal, she said, you're going to like
suffer today and when she took the cover of it,
she had a pancake and a fried sausage. And that
woman was saying eighteen hundred and sixty nine dollars a
month over there for everything.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Yeah, the menus if operated by the province and even
in the private sector, the menus are supposed to be
set by a nutrition guide. And you know, the people
will complain sometimes about what they see being served. But
sometimes comfort food can come in various fashions. Like though
I remember the story a few years ago, it was
all big concerns about Spaghettio's or something of the sort.

(01:40:59):
But some people are pre sh had a bit of
comfort food on top of well you might refer to
as a traditional supper sized dish. But that's the number
I gave you.

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
You can also email Client Relations, which is an easy one.
It's just Client dot Relations, okay at Eastern Health dot CA. Yeah,
let me know how you make out, Anne.

Speaker 17 (01:41:19):
I will thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
You're welcome, pepee. Yeah. I mean, we hear those type
of complaints in whether it be care facilities or hospitals
regarding food, whether it be the quality or the caliber
and the portion size. But you want to take it on,
We're happy to talk about it. Let's go to line
number one. John, you're on the air morning, Patty.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
Thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
Happy to do it.

Speaker 18 (01:41:43):
Yes, sir, you mentioned on the before you went to
the break there that about the incident that happened to
come by chance with Brea and the ruling that came down.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
It was the young man's Pedal, it was his last name.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
I think, oh Pedal. You're right, Jo Hundre, percent right.
I apologize, I said, Paton.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
Yeah, no worries.

Speaker 18 (01:42:01):
And there was a fine that was kind of a
slap on the wrist that was given to Brea and
to the contractor Laurenville Mechanical out there out of New Brunswick.
And you know the incident was it was brought on
by some failures in their procedures that were aligned with

(01:42:23):
the work that was going on. So no old plant
as we know, and had been up and down since
since the early seventies, late sixties since it was built.
And I'm sure that there was a lot of issues
surrounding the equipment. I think the leak and the gas
from what I understand from the associates that worked out

(01:42:45):
there was from a part of the system that wasn't
actually being worked on, but the gas had leaked into
the generator and caused the flash when the generator was running.
And there was always the man the fatality, plus six
or seven guys that were injured also on the books
in Newfoundland.

Speaker 4 (01:43:04):
Now in Labrador, I'm.

Speaker 18 (01:43:07):
Sure you're aware of that. There's also there was a
fatality up there with the on the Labrador side of
the border in Chefferville, which is in Quebec but had
a steel There was a young man killed up there
operating a bobcat in around heavy equipment and the company.
There are criminal charges being laid on that or pending.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
You know, this goes back to Bill C. Forty five.

Speaker 18 (01:43:32):
And I don't know how familiar you are your audiences
with C. Forty five, the Westray Bill.

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
Are you familiar with that?

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
I am familiar with the west Ray, Yeah, sure.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
And that happened in ninety two, I believe it was.

Speaker 18 (01:43:45):
And by two thousand and four our Parliament brought into
law which brought the OH and S Occupation, Health and
Stafety Regulations under the Criminal Code because of what happened
with Westray. It was a big political football there as
you know, the riding and whatnot. I wok get into
all that. I'm familiar with it, but there's no need

(01:44:08):
to get into it. And as a result, there was
a lot of the dust that was there and hazards
weren't eliminated. There's no process for that to be mitigated
or controlled. Under the Occupational Health and Safety Act, those
requirements are there, but the penalties and redress was a

(01:44:30):
slap on the risk at best. And so it finally
got to the point, through lobbying by unions and by
other parties that were potentially involved, went in to under
our criminal Code and the result of that was Bill.
And this is how this is now when we look
at situations like what happened with CBC and with TAD

(01:44:50):
out there where I think they announced the fines last
week and they said that criminal charges are potentially pending
outside I defines which could come down to not only
the company but the supervisors down to the working level,
the working man's level. You know, there are certain rights

(01:45:14):
that we have in the workplace, the rights to know,
participate and refuse. As you're aware of, there are controls
that should be put in place with their workplace hazards, elimination,
substitute engineering, administrative controls, and your protective personal protective equipment.
All those things come into play. But if companies don't

(01:45:37):
participate in that, or if they do it only in
a i'll say lip service type fashion, where the employees
aren't participating in the process, where companies aren't doing technical
and involved approved work procedures, safe work procedures, or are
standing operating procedures, and incidents like this happen. Companies need

(01:46:05):
to get things done, they need to be as efficient
and effective as possible. They're there to make a profit
and that's not a dirty word. But also we as
workers in the workplace need to be protected and we
need to be able to participate in that protection. I've
been involved in joint occupatient health and safety committees most

(01:46:26):
of my working life. I'm retired now, but being involved
in those, I've had some firsthand experience and I could
get into a lot of detail here, but there's neither
the time they replaced.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
But I just wanted to bring this to your audience
and to I don't know if you've talked about it
in the last couple.

Speaker 18 (01:46:44):
Of days, but I do listen to your program, not
every minute, but I do participate or enjoy listening to it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:52):
But the feedback people need to understand, and especially.

Speaker 18 (01:46:55):
In the workplace, because it's there, but sometimes it's not
there to the point where it should and the procedures
are sometimes rushed through or sidestep circumventded for whatever reasons,
or either the individuals at the workplace on the floor level,
we'll say, out in the field where incidents happened and

(01:47:18):
the company is a lot has a lot more on
their plate. If you have an incident, regardless of how
intense it is, but especially with the fatality, you have
to shut it down, freeze the incident as it is,
and therefore your workplace is at a standstill. You can't
do anything until the OHS people come in and investigate

(01:47:41):
and the fatality, obviously you're going to get the RCMP
or some other jurisdictional representatives to come in and deal
with that. So it's to everyone's benefit in the long
run to make sure that the procedures are in place
and that the workingmen are the workers be unionized, non unionized,

(01:48:03):
it doesn't matter. Need to be involved in that. In
those procedures and followed the legislation. As we know, rules
and legislation are put in place usually after somebody after
some major incident, reactionary as opposed to proactive. Not always,
but a lot of times that's the case. And then

(01:48:24):
certainly with Bill C. Forty five that was the case.
And sometimes the result is as it was with these
two poor poor guys that I say, poor guys, with
this unfortunate incident where you have families.

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
Torn apart by.

Speaker 18 (01:48:39):
An incident that takes takes a loved member, it takes
his life. It's terrible. But I just wanted to have
a discussion on that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
If you yeah, I'm glad you did. And I'll add
to it. There was an internal lot of that occupational
Health and Safety that showed quite clearly that they weren't
always hitting the timeline of two years for an investigation,
and even if they did hit it, sometimes by the
time the investigation was brought forward to the court level,
there was no evidence presented because the investigation, for all
intents and purposes, did not happen. So we're not on

(01:49:10):
top of the ball. We're not on top of our
game on that front, period. And just so people, just
a general reminder, West Ray is of course reference to
the West Ray mind disaster, and I think there was
like twenty six miners killed in that. One particular incident
was one that was driven by the United steel Workers
four years before it finally became a law in the
form of Bill C forty five. So I'm glad you

(01:49:31):
brought it up here this morning. And we don't know
what the outcome will be the ARCNP investigation of the
Brea incident, but we're told it's ongoing. So I wouldn't
rule out criminal charges if it could be proven that
there wasn't a care of duty displayed by the supervisors
and or the company itself.

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
Yes, sure, absolutely right, and it's easy to look that up.

Speaker 18 (01:49:52):
Anybody could google that and find out the detail on
Westray and the political background that was in there. That
was in not only it was the hear of Nova
Scotia's riding, plus it was Emer McKay's riding, who was
a deputy Prime Minister at the time and actually gave
up his seat for Brian mulrooney. We're going off here,
but the point is is that politics was very much

(01:50:12):
involved in the opening of that facility, as you're aware,
and the conditions in that mind were such that they
weren't monitoring the gas and clearing the dust, which finally
did ignite and caused as you said that there was
a loss of twenty six lives. The incident up in
Chefferville was a young man operating a bombcat and around

(01:50:35):
cleaning up we'll say, after large front end loaders were
moving material around. I worked up at that site with
Tata before and familiar with what went.

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
On up there, and.

Speaker 18 (01:50:51):
Obviously the procedures were put in place from what the
charges I read, the charges that are going against not
only the employer, and then they're representatives, which for a contractor,
I've believe they're out of Quebec is where they're out of.
But the point being, as you said, that the investigation
has to be solid and the people that are doing

(01:51:12):
the investigation have to have enough of the case built
like with any court proceeding, because this is what you've
got to have. You've got to have the prosecutors have
to have their case solidly in hand to make sure
that the laws that are a place are followed and
adhere to.

Speaker 4 (01:51:32):
This is what this is what eventually happens.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
So yeah, it actually an emotional contention that has to
be factual based scope of care in some trail of
whether it be verbal or paper, to demonstrably prove that
duty of care was not abided by John. I'm late
for the news, but I really appreciate you making time
for the show.

Speaker 18 (01:51:51):
Thanks for doing it well, thank you for taking this
and it's just food for thought for a lot of people.
We could get into a you could have a program
on this. Sure you understand, and I thank you for
your time and have a good taste the.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Same to you. Bye bye, John. Important conversations, obviously, let's
get a break in for the news. Don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
The Tim Powers Show showing the conversation weekday afternoons at
four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
Welcome back. Let's go to line number three. Jerry, you're
on the air.

Speaker 19 (01:52:21):
Close enough as Derek. But Jerry, I'll take Jarry for now.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
No you say, Derek, I'm sorry, Yes, Derek, welcome to
the show. My apologies.

Speaker 19 (01:52:29):
That's okay. But listen, you had a guy on the
on the tube or yesterday. He's clently for his for
his father. His father cast out some money for his
funeral and they took his provincial medical carried away from
his drug card. Okay, okay, so I heard it right, Yeah,

(01:52:53):
and I think I knowed what happened there. If you've
got reefs or is peace and you cash him, they're
considered his income.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Yeah, it's taxable income.

Speaker 19 (01:53:08):
Taxable income, yes, so when he cast it out, it
became taxule income. Though that's when he losses his provincial
cred and I same thing. And after his son did
say that the guy was in his seventies and after
seventy one years old, you got no choice in the matter.
Day stars deducted riffs comes out and goes into your

(01:53:31):
bank account, no matter if you wanted, you want it
there or not. It's it's automatics at the age of
seventy one that starts coming out. So I hope everybody
knows that because I didn't know. And all of a sudden,
he see his money going in and I said, it
has come from all them, And then they gave me
an income tax retreat, so I had to claim it.

(01:53:52):
But that was my money that I put in there.
They did nobody put that in there, only me. They
came out of my savings account. A couple of times
when I was trying to save. I'm taxes for you know,
when you know that's about what we're doing back in
them days. You take their RSP in it for you
wouldn't pay so much income tax back, so you take
the money out of your savings and buying our RSP.

(01:54:12):
And then when you get old like I am now,
of course, then they tell you, oh, this there was income,
but no, I hardadly paid the income tax on that
when I was working. I put in nice savings. And
then they say, oh, put this money away for your retirement,
for travel and all this kind of stuff. You know,
you might need that money for repairs to your house
or repairs to your car, whatever, But they should not

(01:54:34):
be be treating it as income. Agree or disagree.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Your retirement plan your RSP. Yeah, well, I don't know
how it could be treated as anything bought income. So
you're saying it should be tax exempt. Well, and that's fine,
that's no big deal, Derek. If we disagree, I'm just
exploring the conversation a little further. So your suggestion is
that RSPs upon withdrawal after they're mature, because there's always

(01:55:03):
going to be a federal search tax if you haul
them out prior to the maturity dates. So you're suggesting
that because you took the money to invest in the
registered retirement savings plan, it should be withdrawal upon maturity
tax free.

Speaker 19 (01:55:16):
I just want to make sure, well, I don't want
a tax free because you get a tax break in
the first place. I know, you've got to pay income
tax on it. But then the causet the remainder is
called income, so that would affect everything. It affected my
gis right, because this money came out and I didn't
you want to commence it with no good to me.

(01:55:37):
I'll leave it to my dollar because whatever comes out
and that now it takes it out. My gis So
you what the hell did I put it in a
first place?

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
For?

Speaker 19 (01:55:44):
You know, these things should be told to you by
the by your banking people that say, you know, well,
you know when you turn seventy one, you got to
take it into it. And by the way, this is
going to be called income as if you win it
and earned it, then you're not a job or something.
But there's some money that you put away for your
retirement and now they want said a little bit of
money back again.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
Yeah, And I guess because in many tax years, people
will rush to the bank to get an RSP to
try to cut into what they owe the government in
the form of taxes. So yeah, I guess I get
your point. I think I hope so.

Speaker 7 (01:56:19):
No.

Speaker 19 (01:56:20):
But okay, well I think that's what happened too, too, Skip.
I'm pretty sure that if because and you know, something
else happened. I had a few investments, so you know,
I invested in well at the time with Marathon Goal
and a TD bank, and I wouldn't very much now
put but they start coming out after our seventy one
not the investment it self, but if I earned any

(01:56:42):
dividends on the investment, that comes out, and that affects you, right,
So you can't you know, they don't. You can't take
the money out after seventy one years old. You don't decide,
you know that I'm going to leave it there or not.
It alomatically comes out. So I don't know where who
brought the rule in. But it doesn't help anyone, just

(01:57:07):
you know, because whatever they give you, you'll take it
away from something else. But I mean, you said there
was your money that you earned, that you invistit, or
that you put in our RSPs, so now they're taking
your money.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
Yeah, you do have options, but your summary point that
you should be made aware of these things by your
banker is absolutely right. I would suggest there are options
upon turning seventy one. I believe that you can transfer
that money. For instance, if your spouse is younger and
has contribution room available in her RSP, you can transfer
it into that. For some at least a portion of it.
You can transfer it into a retirement income fund, a

(01:57:43):
RIFF on RF other options out of your thing.

Speaker 19 (01:57:47):
Pardon me, the RIFF is the same thing, and you
know RIFF for our RSP. Still it's still got to
come out, you know every year. Now they all don't
come out, but a percentageship got to come out, right,
and that goes into the Maybe put it in your
checking account and then they'll send you to send you
an income tax slip that you got to file when

(01:58:07):
you dodge your incompact for the year, and of course
then that that drives your income up. And if anything
that they gave you they'll try to cloud back again.

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
Yeah. I believe there's a minimum withdrawal annually from your RIFF,
and it's vastly different than the minimum withdrawal from your RSP,
which just automatically gets transferred I think in full and
one lump sum into your checking account to your savings
kount what other vehicle that you have at your bank.
But it's an interesting conversation. I don't pledge to know
much more about it what I just said, but I

(01:58:36):
suppose I probably should. I am approaching that age. Hopefully
I get to that age. Derek, while we have you
anything else you let's.

Speaker 19 (01:58:42):
Say, no, that's it, that's it. Yes, there's one more
thing I'd like to say. You are the compent this morning.
You're talking about the violence and this kind of stuff,
and you know I would put this out to and
you you might laugh at and then the audience might
laugh at it. But if you know, if men were
in an abusive situation and they had to get out

(01:59:06):
of their homes or in the most, they got nowhere
to go to, right, So let's you usually ends up,
you know, he might, you know, lose the temper and
violence will happen if a man is somewhere to go to,
like a home like they for the women. And what
can't do you everybody use the same home. If you're
a victim you're a victim, right, So I think if

(01:59:27):
that was put in place, the violence against women thing
would come down big time because a man feels trapped
because he got nowhere to go to, and not only that,
he's going to be persecuted in court because of the
these you know the percentages.

Speaker 2 (01:59:44):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to laugh at that
or anything else. What I would say is that there's
no question that there will be men who are victims
of violence and homes. I don't know why then would
argue different, And there is no such thing as a
mercy shelter for men. I don't think it's probably appropriate
for people women who have fled violence need to be
in a mercy shelter. Like actually, I'll leave all these

(02:00:07):
specific ones out of it. I don't know if there
should be men and women in that shelter, but certainly
if there was a need for the mercy shelter for
men who are also potentially fleeing violence, that's something that
general population should be willing to discuss, including me and
I am.

Speaker 19 (02:00:23):
Okay, but I still would like for people who have
the conversation. But because if you're a victim, if you're
being abused in the home. If you're a man or
a woman, you know, I don't see why they can't
be put in the same home. I mean, your victims
are victims, right, you're you know, it's you're a human
being and you know so you know, if you if

(02:00:43):
you're saying that they shouldn't be loved, then when you
still get the stigma saying, well, he might go there
and do something else, you know, attitude.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
I haven't given it a whole lot of thought, but
I would imagine there's probably a baked in fear of
men in general if you've been on the saving violence
at the hands of a man, so that might be
part of the thought process. I don't know. I haven't
given it any thought until until you mentioned it, but
I do think and we have talked about the fact
there is no mercery shelter for men in this province
and there probably needs to be so that much I

(02:01:14):
think we can absolutely agree on. And Derek, I appreciate
your time. Thanks for making it for the show. Perfect heavy,
good you two man, all the best. All right, bye, bye,
final Rerek of the morning. Don't go away, Welcome back
to the program. It's go to line number two. John
you're on the air. Good morning, Patty, Good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (02:01:33):
I was just calling in regarding Derek's call about the RSPs.
I just wanted to provide little bit of clarification on
how that works.

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
Please do your CPA, right.

Speaker 9 (02:01:41):
John, So I'm a CPA, Go ahead.

Speaker 8 (02:01:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:01:45):
So, essentially, whenever you contribute to your RSP, you don't
pay tax on that money in that year. So, for
argument's sake, if you made fifty thousand dollars in employment
income in a year, your employer is going to deduct
tax at source. But at the end of the year,
if you take say ten thousand dollars of that from
your savings account and put it in an RSP, then

(02:02:08):
when you file your taxes at the end of the year,
that ten thousand gets deducted from your total income for
the year. So then your taxbile income becomes forty thousand,
and you only pay tax on that. So if you've
paid already paid tax on the fifty thousand, you'll get
a refund on the additional ten. So whenever you contribute
to an RSP, you get a basically a tax break

(02:02:28):
on that money. And the theory behind it is that
when you're working, you're going to be in a higher
tax bracket, so you get the tax savings. Then when
you get older and retire and you take the money out,
in theory, you're going to be making less money so
be in a lower tax bracket. So it basically just
shifts the tax from a high tax bracket to a
low tax bracket as you retire. But again, that only

(02:02:52):
really works if you end up in a lower tax
bracket when you retire, if you have a lot of
investment income or RSP income, then ultimately it kind of
works out to the same at the end. So I
don't know if that kind of clarifies it at all.

Speaker 2 (02:03:06):
It does. I mean, basically, if I you know, here
comes tax season, I go get another RSP. If I
have contribution space, I'm basically just deferring any tax upon
removal that maturity from or withdrawal prider me from my RSP.
Basically yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:03:21):
So whatever whatever your earnings are for a year, you
pay tax on by your employer. If you contribute to
an RSP, then you get basically any tax back. So
when you withdraw the money, that's when the government's going
to take their tax on your because it gave you
the money back when you put it in, so when
you take it out, that's when you pay.

Speaker 2 (02:03:39):
The tax right and if you take it out early,
there's a cert tax on top of the income bracktly
that you're.

Speaker 9 (02:03:44):
In exactly now, And if you want to avoid that,
then you can use the TFSA. But you don't get
any tax break when you put the money in, but
when you withdraw the money, it's all tax free. So
if you end up with some gains in a TFSA account,
you get the tax break at the end as opposed
to at the beginning.

Speaker 8 (02:04:02):
So it's a.

Speaker 9 (02:04:02):
Way to kind of depending how you want to plan
for your retirement.

Speaker 2 (02:04:05):
As a CPA. Your general thoughts on tax resavings account
for me and the advice that I've been given, it's
a pretty attractive option for every little bit of extra
money you have kicking around, if there's ever such a
thing as extra money. Your thoughts on the tax free savings, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:04:21):
It, you know, if it kind of depends on if
you know what you're doing with your investments. If you
if you invest money and it does well, then yeah,
you get you can get a significant benefit. I was
sowhat successful recently with an investment here in Newfoundland and
worked out, so it was a it was a big
benefit and didn't have to pay any tax on it.

(02:04:41):
So if you can afford to do and then you
you know, invest properly, then there's a significant advantage to
doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
John, really appreciate the time and the professional background here
as the CPA. Thanks for doing this. Yeah, I know what. Okay, buddy,
bye bye.

Speaker 7 (02:04:56):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (02:04:57):
That's helpful. I mean, basically, that's why people rush to
the bank to get an RSP if they have contribution
space come tax time, because you basically get a tax
break this year to defer to down the road when
you're a RSP. Matures all right, line everyone Tommy around here.

Speaker 13 (02:05:14):
Yeah, I guess I'm going to repeat. But the gentleman
just said. I was listening to the call, and I
said that call in. I am not a CPA, but
I have been involved with investing in financial investing for
so long that it has become second nature to me.
I think that the person before me answered most of
the questions, and I just want to reiterate to use

(02:05:36):
it the TFSA before I get to the point. The
TFSA is a fantastic investment vehicle. I have used it
and I continue to use it, and it's fantastic to
give me a bit of money that accumulates in the
TFSA accumulates tax rate. Now you don't get the deduction
when you contribute to it, unlike an RSP. But for

(02:05:57):
Derek's issue is respect to the riff, as he said
so correctly. When you get to these seventy one years
of age, the RSP is converted to a rift and
it goes into a riff And how he chooses to
invest that money is up to him, depending on who
he's with. You can put it in the mutual funds,

(02:06:17):
he can put it into deposits, certificates of deposits, some
kind of interest bearing things, whatever he chooses. But at
eight and also at that age and the subsequent years
from that, every year after that, a portion of it
is taken from his riff and like he says, given

(02:06:38):
put into his bank account and he is taxed for
the amount that he has given.

Speaker 2 (02:06:44):
Yep.

Speaker 13 (02:06:45):
Now I think I think it's at about age seventy one,
the rate is about five percent, So five percent if
he has if he has one hundred thousand dollars in
the rift. He gets five thousand put in his bank account,
and he must declare that it's income because it was
deducted from his income when he put it in there,
so it's added to his income again. So that's his issue.

(02:07:10):
He is now income is increased by five percent. In
my particular case, because my wife is so much younger
than me a couple of decades, I get to use
her age.

Speaker 4 (02:07:22):
So as a.

Speaker 13 (02:07:23):
Result of that, my deduction for my risk is significantly
significantly less than my seventy seven years of age that
I am. So I think to answer his question and
many other questions, is that when you turn seventy one,
all your RRIST money is put into a Red Shirt
income fund, and then every year after that at percentage

(02:07:46):
of it is deposited in your bank account and it
becomes income. I hope they'll answered his question.

Speaker 2 (02:07:51):
It does, and you've had the last words. I appreciate
you making time, Thank you, Patty, You're welcome. Nothing nitpick.
It doesn't increase your income by five percent. It was
five percent of one hundred thousand, so it increases by
five thousand dollars part percentage of your income that is
defensing your income. Aricka show today big thanks to all hands.
We will indeed pick up this conversation again tomorrow morning

(02:08:13):
right here a on VOCM and Big Land of FM's
Open Line on behalf of the producer David Williams. I'm
your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun happy day.
We'll talk in the morning. Bye bye

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