Tuesday Oct 14th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line call seven oh nine two seven,
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not necessarily those of this station. The biggest conversation in
Newfoundland and Labrador starts now here's VOCM Open Line host

(00:22):
Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
so much for tuning into the program. It's Tuesday, October fourteenth.
This is open Line. I'm your host Patty Daily. David Williams,
he's produced the program. You will be speaking with David
when you pick up the phone. It gave us a
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if you're in the Saint John's metro region. The number
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one one elsewhere A total free long distance one eight
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So happy Thanksgiving to you. Hopefully had a lovely weekend,
maybe even a long weekend and joined the Monday day off.
But anyway, I hope it was grand the weather cooperator
in this neck of the woods. And let's go down
to King George the fifth. What a remarkable weekend on

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both the women and the men's side, double gold. Incredible stuff.
On the women's side, two to one victory for holy
Cross over the defending champions CS tried and Kate led,
Kate d gay back, Terry Murpher tournament MVP. So that's
three in the last five years. The last yeah, no,
the last three years twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three
and now this year fifteen returning players from those two

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championship teams. On the men's side, holy Cross wins again
beat the defending champions Gloucester Celtic. The Celtics as for us,
they had it was one one after regulation. Thomas Piarraway,
the goaltender. He secured the win for holy Cross when
he potted his penalty kick the kid who had scored
in regulation time for the visitors Gloucester. He was mocking
and topping the crowd, and then he goes on to

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midst the net and his penalty kick and holy Cross
comes away with the championship. Absolutely brilliant stuff. Last time
holy Cross went on the men's side, of course, nineteen
eighty eight, let's go to a little bit of hockey.
So this weekend was the Atlantic Challenge Cup, and we
did great in the female under fourteens, come away with
the bronze medal, in the female under sixteens, come away
with the bronze medal, in the male under fifteen gold medal.

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Fantastic accomplishment there in the male under fourteenth gold medal.
So we did pretty great at the Atlantic Challenge Cup.
This past weekend. All the New Fland Regiment so secured
their first road victory of their inaugural season, six to
five victory in Charlottetown. They were down three nothing, roar
back for six to five win. Pretty great stuff. And
on this date, nineteen seventy nine, the great one number

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ninety nine, Wayne Gretzky scored his very first NHL goal,
And oh, this is an interesting one. Nineteen ninety one,
Mike Gardner becomes the first NHL player to score his
five hundredth goal five hundred of the sist on thousand points,
all in the same season. And yeah, I've been talking
up the Blue Jays. Boo u oh, dismal weekend in
the first two games in the championship series against the

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visiting Seattle Mariners, who we were told will be so tired,
so fatigued, a huge advantage for the Blue Jays. Yeah,
ten to three, dropping yesterday to go down two nothing
in the series. Now have to travel Seattle for three
games there, so it have to be in two or three,
two of three just to bring it back to Toronto.
So looking pretty bleak. And for baseball fans, you'll remember

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this one. So on this date in two thousand and three,
Steve Bartman deflected the ball from the Chicago Cubs outfielder
Moises Aloud. The Cobies gave up eight runnings that inning
to lose to the Maryland's eighty three. The Bartman incident
is widely considered to be the turning point in the series.
And poor old Steve Bartman, lifelong Coveies fans, stuck his
hand out there. Every fan is thirsty for grab baseball

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when you go to the pro games, and he was
getting death threats and needed police protection. It was just
remarkable stuff. Anyway, let's go it's election day and you
think back to the pandemic election there was widely criticized
when then Premier Fury called the election in the first place,
and we all know what happened. Given a big spike

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in cases just prior to election day. It was no
in person and voting, all mail in ballots. Court challenges
happening on the heels of the election. It was a
first this time around. Hopefully a little smoother things ahead.
All right, Live cover chair on VOCM at Big Lane
FM tonight beginning at eight o'clock after the polls close.
People don't have their voter cards either, right because of

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the kind of post strikes. So the best thing to
do is go to the Elections and L website or
give them a call directly to ensure you know what
you're getting yourself into before you go. There may indeed
be some lineups because in the absence of voter cards,
going to be a little bit more proof that you're
an eligible voter. So bring forward a little bit of
patience as you get out and cast your vote. All right.

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You know, we've seen a couple of polls out there.
One that was conducted in August and the heights of
the wildfires and the Liberals had a bit of a
healthy lead at the time. I think it's fair to
say Premier Hogan handle himself pretty well new to the position.
And then most recent polling really does reflect what the
sense I get. It's super tight. We can expect super
tight results coming in this evening. I have no earthly

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idea who's going to win whatever rioting, or who's or
district or who's going to hold the seed of government,
but it is going to be close.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
The whole concept of every vote counts may indeed ring
true again this evening. So we talked about campaign promises
and spending and pledges and fingers crossed and hoping for
the best and painting o bleak picture depending on which
side of the political aisle you're on. Well, we haven't
heard a whole lot lot about is where all the
money's coming from. But anyway you want to take on
that big picture issue, we can do it inside the

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world of politics. You know, they'll talk about the campaign
and the messaging and constant platforms, which came very late
in the day, But the most important thing for political
parties leading up to a day like today is getting
the vote out. They can bang on doors and they
can have all the hustling stops and make all the
pitches and promises and pledges, and they can think that
they're a head in one district or another but getting

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the vote out is where the political machine really plays
a massive role here today, all right. And I do
think it's going to be super close tonight, I really do.
I have no sense of who's going to actually win this.
And then you look back and whether or not it's
people vote with their pocketbook or their heart or their head,
whatever a particular issue is important to you. You know,
we have had the Liberals and government since twenty fifteen

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or a decade long run. It will be quite a
monumental feat if they're able to come out victorious this evening.
So let's take on whatever is important to you. You know,
there's a couple of weird, little quirky features of this election.
Number one, Alison Coffin running in two different voting districts,
and fair enough to her, this is not to disparage
Alison Coffin in any form of fashion, because she's allowed

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to do it. The Rose are is loosey goosey to
allow one person to run in multiple districts. And we'll
see what the results look like for her tonight. She
as an independent of course, all right. In addition to
shoring up some of those absolutely bizarre features of our
legislation associated with elections. Can we please get all parties
to agree to some sort of approach to campaign finance reform?

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Can we please get some parties? You know, the NDP
costs of platform does speak to getting back to a balance,
But can we please have governments a little bit more
serious about the level of debt. I mean, I almost
get sick of talking about it, but it's so unbelievably important.
People will continuously talk about the impact of one area
of life or another and what we leave behind for
our grandchildren. If we don't have a bit more of

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a keen focus on that provincial debt, then we're missing
the boat in full. So I don't know what you
thought you liked or disliked based on some of the
ufferings or pledges coming from various parties and their respective leaders.
But let's take it on here this morning. You know,
for the Liberals, they really have hung their hat on
the Upper Churchill and the Memorandum of Understanding, which of

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course is a non binding agreement on the pathway to
eventual I don't know ten twelve definitive agreements, ten to
twelve contracts. I get a ton of correspondence from people
We have certainly featured that particular MoU on this program
extensively and appreciate the input of folks around either side
of it. But there's just so much to consider. It

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really does feel like drinking from a firehouse every single
time that we bring up the Upper Churchill. But it's
absolutely something that the Liberals are leaning in on, especially
when they talk about how to cover some of their
additional spends that was part of their campaign. It's going
to boil back the cost of living in health care,
isn't it. Like I mean, certainly for some people, the
Upper Churchill is the be all and end all. That's

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how they're going to construct their decision has who to
vote for this evening, So whether it be pause the deal,
independent review, what have you, and in the world of
independent review, it really feels like a poorly crafted decision
to not have done it from the outset, you know,
just think about it. So between the NDP and the
independent members of the House of Assembly, they voted to

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push this forward, all with some independent oversight, and the
government chose to go down the road of a three
person overside panel. And we know the issue regarding Mike
Wilson's resignation from the panel, but even advising the panel
would be couple of law firms, power Advisory, that company
has a long important background, and then JP Morgan Chase.
This for me is when you just don't go that

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one step that would have, I think, bring some reassurance
to people who have legitimate questions regarding the MoU and
there's a lot inside it. So JP Morgan Chase is
advising the oversight committee, why not have just given it
to JP Morgan Chase craft in terms of reference, knowing
full well that given the history on the Churchill River,
given how people think about Muskrat, given what people think

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about doing business with Quebec and Hydro Quebec, if JP
Morgan Chase had to be the initial choice or whatever
organization You've heard me many times Ted or RBC or Goldman,
Sachs or whoever, and yes, JP Morgan Chase were advising
the panel. Had that been the entity given the responsibility
for overview, I think there would be a different conversation possibly,

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you know, once we get their report back in hand
and whatever the case may be. All right, So I'm
not going to set the stage for what's important to
you today you're going to do exactly that when you
Jonas live in the Air. What was really missing from
a lot of the campaign was any sort of strict
focus on education, and I cannot believe that to be
the case. All the concerns that we all share. The

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long term prosperity and viability in this province doesn't hang
its hat on the uppera Churchill, it hangs its hat
on education. Now the upper Church, you can think, is
great or gross your perspective, more than welcome here on
the show. But it is really disappointing to know that
education was in front and center because academic trends and
outcomes since two thousand and three are woefully low and

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trending in the wrong direction. A well educated public is
going to be paramount to address all the ills and
the concerns that people share here in the province. And
let's talk about a couple so public safety, you know,
we lean in a lot just hiring more police officers,
more Crown prosecutors was which is an after the fact

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investigative body and prosecutorially our body, but not really a
whole lot about what leads down the path of so
much crime and so many criminals and I do think
it's probably a small minority of the province who are
the hardcore criminals that caused the bulk of the problem.
But then it's drugs and addiction and treatment options, which

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gets some focus. But maybe it's a misunderstanding of the
issue and the severity of the issue when it comes
to political promises, because just hiring more police and hiring
more crime prosecutors, yeah, that's the punishment phase, but it's
what leads into that. So issues regarding addictions and treatments
and poverty and housing and the role that housing plays
in the world of trying to stave off some of

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these societal ills. You can take it on if you're
so inclined, And then something that politicians are loath to
address because it's a political hot potato, maybe even political
Harry carry is, we can talk about fairies, like mister
wakem talking about building four fairies here in this province.
Price tag we don't know, and to serve we don't know. Look,

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I by no means of suggesting that we empty out
the bays and everyone moves to some urban center, because
that's unrealistic and it's pure madness to begin with. But
I do think it would be some required leadership to
talk about the future and the fate of some rural communities.
I mean, they're talking about it themselves amongst themselves, at

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their kitchen tables, They're talking about it around the wharf.
They see the picture that's right in front of them.
They understand the agent demographic. They understand that young families
are leaving. They understand that economic opportunities outside of the
fishery or tourism are not really what they need to
be for the long term viability one community or another.
But we can't tear a politician talk about it. Why

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because they might lose your vote, which is the absence
of leadership. And again I'm not promoting anything but a vibrant, sustainable,
rural New Finlanta, Labrador. But for some communities they simply
will not exist in X number of years down the road.
But we cannot get any politics to talk about it.
We can talk about relocation votes and learning the threshold

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from ninety percent to seventy five percent and all the
rest of it, but that's not a meaningful plan, that's
not a meaningful strategy to understand exactly what's right there
in front of us. We can all tell it. We
can all see it. You see the stats kind of numbers, right,
twenty five percent plus of the professor are sixty five
years of age of older. The median age of the
province is forty seven. These are you know, the death

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rate way out pace of the birth rate. And it's
even worse when we talk about smaller communities. And I
know that you have a heartfelt affinity for your community.
It's where you've grown up, it's where you've had your family,
it's where your parents and grandparents are from. Maybe some
of you listening your ancestors have been in one community
or another for hundreds of years. But talking about what

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it looks like into the future, we all know it's
an important conversation. But we also know that politicians will
not jeopardize the vote by talking about it in any
meaningful form. And if you want to talk about it
here on the show like that, let's do it. That
gets sticky in some corners is things like cell phone covers.
It sounds so fundamental, right, Oh, for some people it's

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not a big deal, but for the vast majority of
the people of the province, it is a deal. It's
something we pay a big bill for the bills will
come back to worth somewhat. But it's a public safety issue.
Look no further than the folks who are evacuated out
of Conception Bay North, for instance, unless we can talk
about the rebuilding CBN, if you're so in client as well,
and how that's working with representatives from all the communities,
working with the task force established by the provincial government.

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But cell phone service, you know, I hear some politicians
kind of shrug it off as federal jurisdiction. That's a
little bit silly. It's federal jurisdiction in so far as
regulatory bodies and the CRTC, but not for provision of
well be pilot programs and leaning in things like starlink
or signal boosters or working with Bell you know, find it.

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Tell me you're going to, you know, have Bell commit
We're not going to shove the telecom companies around. So
it's only a federal jurisdiction in so far as regulations go.
Access to can indeed be shared responsibility between the regulatory bodies,
the federal government and yes, the provincial government. You want
to take it on, let's go all right, Let's see
here a couple of quick ones. Very good news developed

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over the weekend regarding three young women from this province,
devoning Ellis, Sadiemees and Nike to Sampleton. They were bored Conscience,
one of the nine vessels in the flotilla aiming to
bring humanitarian relief to guys, and of course they were
abducted or kidnapped. They've not been freed and they're on
their way home. I think they arrived at Saint John's
International just ever lunch after lunchtime today, So obviously very

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good news as they're on some sort of pathway to
hopeful peace, long term peace in the region, which we
can all hope for. But anyway, those three young ladies
are on their way home. That's excellent news. How are
we doing on the telephone day? All right, let's leave
it at that. Let's see what's happening on Twitter where
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great show to kick off the week here on this Tuesday,
October the fourteenth election day, email address open not on
a field sim dot com. Why do't we come back
to the topic entirely up to you don't go ahead,
welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number
three this morning, say good morning to retired remember the RCMP.
That's Ron Walsh. Morning Ron, you're on the air.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Hi, Patty, And I was actually a retired member of the.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Area dear see and I know that. Sorry Ron, my apologies.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yeah, So, like Patty, I won to call in this
morning because of the election day and safety concerned within
the province and relation to security and how policing is
providing to the citizens of the province. I spent thirty
years in public service and through the Canadian ROMed Forces
and then subsequently through the air and sea. But today

(16:39):
I want to talk about safety and security in the
province as it relates to the New Fland Lickor Corporation.
I was employed with the New Fland Lick Corporation from
the Air twenty twenty one until September of twenty twenty
twenty three, responsible for store security systems, black market cannabis
investigations and liquor investigations as an inspector with the NLC

(17:03):
stated under the Act while enforcing regulations for the Act
Control Act Cannabis Control Act Inspector has the same right
as an err and C officer so that he can
do arrest, search, warrants, surveillance in relations to the Act.
With this in mind, the NLC provided use of force
training to police standard that included pepper spray, baton and handcuffs.

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The trouble started with the NLC requiring inspectors to make arrests.
They only provided inspectors with a set of handcuffs and
did not follow the use of force continuum and this
is to the national standard. This was in direct violation
of the threat res assessments and policy conducted by the
NLC Human Resources that provided specific instances for when use

(17:48):
of force tools will be to be deployed. For example,
you know, a drug trafficker that was dealing in cannabis
resists arrest and then you have to deploy pepper spray.
I confronted my manager at the time you know about
this and he said they didn't issue pepper spray and
baton as he didn't trust some of the inspectors to

(18:08):
use it properly. And I had discussed my concerns with
him on many occasions and felt it was, you know,
putting our safety at risk and safety of the public.
Other inspectors voiced the same concerns to me in writing
and to upper management. So in September twenty twenty three,
I made a whistleblower complaint outlining my concerns. My manager

(18:30):
decided to change the threat risk assessment so that the
NLC would no longer be held accountable for not following
the policy. Basically, he went in and stood over inspectors.
They did a new threat risk assessment and changed the
whole aspect of it so that an inspector would, if
he's confronted with a situation, would just walk out of

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a bar or whatever. And I'll get into that just
in a little, very tiny bit. So the use of
force training was stopped after just two years, and that's
the use of force training that's done by wildlife officer
to police standard is used by the ARN CIRCNP and
all those different organizations. So now inspectors who do club

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inspections cannot detain a sixteen year old who's underage drinking
because they don't have the use of force training to
effect and arrest. They are unable to arrest during drug
trafficking because they don't have the use of force training.
In twenty twenty two, the NLC seized over eight hundred
pounds of black market cannabis, which you have seen on
the VOCM website on many occasions NLC. And then there's

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a myriad of drugs and that up on the table
and these were all sees from very high level drug
dealers in the province. The NLC was an environment of
threats and intimidation. After the policy change, my manager was
terminated from the NLC employment after six months. Later, to
my knowledge, other inspectors came forward with complaints threats and harassment.

(20:01):
The whistle blower complaint was swept. My whistleblower complaint was
swept under the rug. An interview was conducted by a lawyer,
which was half an interview, and she seemed to have
talked to the persons that I had identified in my
whistleblower complaint first before she had talked to me, which
to me is just a total no no for any investigation.

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So nothing was done with my complaint. After going through
several government departments service nl I spoke to my MHA,
Jody Wall, and he put me in touch with somebody
from Sean Cody's office. And this is over the past
eight months. I guess. In October seventh, I finally received
an email from the Dean Devaux, Secretary of the Treasury Board.

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She outlined that NLC had followed all policy, the same
policy that had been changed to cover their activities back
in twenty twenty two. The liberals talk about security and policing.
They took away to training power of arrest that are
still provided under provincial legislation for liquor inspectors and my

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whistleblower complaint, a senior executive of the NLC instructed me
to videotape and arrest and if it goes sideways, erase
the videotape. This to me is obviously an obstructional justice.
I made a complaint to the err and see no
charges were laid, and the reason being was I didn't
videotape the arrest and I didn't erase it. They said

(21:31):
I had to go back to the NLC executives to
let them deal with the matter, which was a total
joke because I'd already dealt with them. In relation to
the whistleblower complaint, the NLC is unaware of the true
rules and regulations when it comes to law enforcement, and
as a liberal government was aware of my allegations and
did nothing to take them seriously. The safety of inspectors

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in mind or safety of public, and lack of enforcement
of the legislation by not providing the training to enforce
the legislation, meaning the Liquor Control and Cannabis Control Act.
We had made many arrests of individuals who are trafficking
in marijuana while at my tenure at the Liquor Corporation,

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and since I left, I think there has been very
little done. So a mandate of the NLC was to
look at black market and now there are no real
investigations being done because the use of force training is
no longer there. The safety of the inspectors is not
taken into consideration. Yet they still go out and talk
to these people. And my concern is that somebody from

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the public or one of the inspectors, at some point
in time will be on the wrong receiving end. I mean,
you look at your web page for George Street the
number of stabbings that have gone on down there. The
Healing Tree is a black market store on Water Street
that continues to operate. We've done sales on that for
many many months and that still continues on. All I've

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been asking for is an investigation to be unbiased and
conducted by a quality person who's familiar with the use
of force training and provincial legislation. My complaints have been
dismissed and what I feel covered up by persons involved
in this matter. My biggest concern is public safety due
to the lack of black market cannabis enforcement inspector safety

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by providing the tools necessary to do their investigations under
the use of force training.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Couple of quick questions, right. Further so, if this authority
is afforded to the inspectors by legislation, who has the
ability to take that away? Or is it simply the
removal of some of.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
The Yeah, so, Patty, nobody has the ability unless the
legislation has changed. The legislation is exactly the same.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
But my whistleblower complaint basically outlined that the Human Resources
Department of the NLC, we're not following you their own
threat risk assessments and their policy in relation to use
for string by not providing the use of force tools
to inspectors when they were out arresting these individuals. I
had grave concerns in relation to my safety I mean

(24:11):
I'm sixty years old, and the safety of other persons
employed as inspectors with the NLC who are not of
a police background for the most part, and so you
know that policy was changed to reflect that the NLC
were not doing the policy correctly. So it was a
bit of a cover up as far as I was concerned, right,

(24:33):
And I don't think the Liberal government took it seriously
at all. If they had to assign somebody to look
at it, it would have been totally treated differently because,
like I said, all the evidence is there. They just
need somebody to go back and look at my complaint
and my video audio interview with the lawyer who I

(24:55):
outlined the obstruction of justice too, which should have been
reported right away to the I mean as a police
officer when I was in the er and C, if
I made a person made an allegation of obstruction that
I had done, I would be put off and an
investigation would be conducted. There is no oversight of the
NLC inspectors, like there's a cert team for the ERR

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and c RCNP for NLC inspectors or wilife officers, there's
no oversight. There's nobody to go to so it's a
self self running organization or self ruling self determination organization.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, which is never helpful. I'm having a bit of
a difficult time understanding this from the starting point to consideration.
So when we hear from the r and C and
the RCMP that they're understaffed, underfunded, but at the exact
same time not affording the ability or the authority in
the legislation for in this case n LC inspectors to
do their job, I don't really understand the rationale for

(25:58):
any of this, whether it be for the government turns
back on with the blower and or for the law enforcement.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Well, what it falls down to from my perspective, and
this is only my assumption, is that because of my complaint,
they attempted to cover it up, and in the intent
to cover it up, they took away the powers of
arrest of inspectors and thus took away the ability to
serve the community, serve the province by outdoing these investigations.
And so, you know, in relation to the r and C,

(26:27):
you know what I can say about that is over
the past six or eight months, we've had fifteen to
twenty members resign. So you know, is that an environment
because of the work that they're involved in, the iron
ce that it's not conducive to their way of thinking,
or is it a liberal you know, a way of saying, well,
we don't really give a crap, and we'll just hire

(26:48):
more people. But it's hard to get people to join
the police department now because everybody has a phone. They're
all concerned of their safety or their scrutiny. And so,
you know, the liberals have been for eight years listening
to you know, we've been listening to them, you know,
when it just it has not worked. So I really

(27:10):
think it's time for change. And I'm not a very
political person at all. This is going to be the
first time today that I've voted in twenty years, but
you know, because of my knowledge of my you know,
involvement in policing and in the liquor corporation, I mean,
it's just time for change.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
It's a completely bizarre story. You would think that more
people with the appropriate training doing said enforcement and or policing,
whichever the right word is there is better for everybody,
including the liberals, including the Erncy, including the AIRCMP. So
this one here is just straight up confusing.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Well, and not only that, but the obstruction issue in
relations to well in videotape and arrest. And then well,
if it goes sideways erasis, that's illegal. That is totally legal.
It goes against all principles of law enforcement. You would
be charged criminally and I was asked to do that.

(28:07):
It just blows my mind. What I feel needs to
happen is the NNLC inspectors need to be taking out
of a Crown corporation and put as their own entity,
you know, much the same as what wildlife officers are given,
full training, provided all the means to do their job
and do the inspections to be of service to the

(28:28):
profits and not take away. It's like, I'll just refer
to the working of law of course. Every three years,
you got to do a working a law of course
or close proximity to electricity and then you get that
training again just to be up to date. And yet
now the inspectors are turning around and not getting that
training anymore, and they're still expected to go do their job,

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but under requirement under provincial legislation. You know, people that
are working law need that course every three years. And
now liquor inspectors have been taken away the use of
for training which is provided to every peace officer police
officer in the country.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Are the wildlife officers these days answering to the Department
of Justice runner the auspices of the Department of Justice
or his environment.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
I don't really know in relation to wildlife officers.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, just by that, I'm sure, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
I think it's Wildlife actually, Department of Wildlife.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
And it probably belongs that Justice, just like these NLC inspectors,
Ronnie anything else, will we have you this morning, because
I want to chase this a little bit see what
I can find out.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yeah, it's it's it's just terrible. Like you know, it's
a fine case of cover up. I mean, you know,
I've only attempted to try and make you know. I've
gone through every single channel that I could, up to
the Secretary NA Dean Deborau, and only to be you know,
just play cadd the whole time, basically hoping that I

(29:54):
would go away. But what they don't understand is I'm
out for the safety of the inspectors that are still there.
I'm out for the safety of the public that those
inspectors are serving to be able to operate in a
safe environment. They shouldn't be forced to go into a
club that's affiliated with a gang, whether it's in Grand
Falls or windsor and not have the use of force training,

(30:16):
be confronted by a drug individual in there, and then
have no way of defending themselves. I mean, it's absolutely crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, I mean, when we see the drug busts and
then the photo ops associated with it, we see the
drugs and the cash and the vehicles. Well then we
always see the weapons, the guns and the knives and
the brass knuckles. Says So when we're dealing with the
world of drugs these days, and or their relationship to
organized crime, there's inevitably a very high possibility of weapons
to be part of those interactions. Ronnie, I'm really glad

(30:45):
that you painted this picture form here this morning. We
will indeed do some follow up on it anything else
very quickly.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
For Bob Patty, you have my number there. You give
me a call anytime and I'll be more than happy
to come back on to further give detail in relation
to it. But it's just an environ mental intimidation which
I didn't experience before you know, the police department, back
when I joined was an often tumble place. And the
NLC and relations to treatment employees, it's atrocious. The union

(31:13):
is atrocious there. I've never seen the like crazy. I
just wanted to give the people the province the opportunity
to hear my story and judge for themselves, you know,
on voting day for a liberal or PC government. I
think we've had eight years of this now maybe it's
time for change.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Appreciate the time, Ronnie, thanks for doing it.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Okay, all right, Patty and I s talk me.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
My pleasure, Bye bye, bye bye. Now that one was
a weird one to cut off the week, Like what uh,
Let's get a break you when we come back. We're
talking of red tape, the mo ou, whatever you want
to talk about. Talkaway, Welcome back to the show. Let's
go to let number one. Tolson, you're on the air.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
Yesty, very well, thank you, Thanks for take Patty, you
having to beer with me because I got a such
a touch of a flu. But I tried to get
through on Friday. Penny in your line, know that what
you were saying, what David was saying, was black styles.
And I was there from nine to twelve and I
couldn't get troue, but I'm true with you now, so
here it is Penny. This year being the one hundred

(32:11):
anniversary of women Eligi was a vote in the country's
It's overwhelming, I got to say, with watching the federal
election as I did, and watching the Pavincio on folding
and the Mumiscival, women is just playing a major, major
role in politics. Yeah, I look, you want to comment
on that, well.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I mean, it's remarkable that it's only been that recent
where women were given the ability to vote, and even
more recently, you know, the see women rise to prominent
positions in politics, which I think back in this province
at one point all three party leaders were women when
kathy's Underdale was the premier and Lorraine Michael was at
the helm of the NDP and von Jones was the
leader of the Liberals. So I don't know what to

(32:54):
say beyond that much.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
Anyway, keep going, No, I like to throw a bouquet
to our first woman mayor of the town of Hearts Content.
We've had five previous mayor men as counselors, but we
got our first woman now and her name is Glenda Hiscock.
She's I've known her since she was a teenager, Patty,
and especially if she used to work for me back
in nineteenth in the nineteen seventy eight seventies, and now

(33:18):
to be see her rise up to where she's sent
me the town leader in the town, one of the
town leaders here, it's it's amazing. But Penny, I just
wanted to say too, that being the mayor, but she's
hold the position of counselor, the debutey mayor in the
last setting, and now our mayor. But there was a
debutey mayor in the town before. A former deputy mayor

(33:39):
was Gene Bolan Rick Bowland. Rick's mam as the mayor
was the debutey mayor back in two I think it
was two thousand and nine. That's that area. But any Patty,
we were had, like I said, and Lena is the
first mayor since nineteen seventy four. And now we've had
fifteen run this time in the election we had a
seventy eight percent turnout. We had and olive heads go

(34:01):
off to the seven candidates I ran and were defeated
Don Love. But the deputy mayor right now is the
former mayor Doug Pearcy. Myself, Colson Rendo, Clarence Brown, Wanda
leg Bradley George and Jamie Langer is our group now, Patty.
I just want to say also that if you enter
the town of Hearts Content right now, as you know,
we're into the Unesco run from the Heart Victoria side,

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coming over Route seventy, you'll see the big sign. Now
the signs are changed in the town of Hertz Content.
The sign is there now of the Great Eastern, which
was the largest shape afloat in the Inentarorod in eighteen
sixty six when she laid the cable here in Hurts Content.
And you're coming in from Hearts Bazare, I'm Rude eighty
and it's the same sign. And from New Perlicon, I'm

(34:45):
Rude eighty and you'll see the same side as the
Great Eastern. But when you get up to the cable
station up heady up there, and I like the special
Tanks goes out to former Councilor Valerie Whalen and Rady
Croanwell for replica of a sign that shows that the
Great Eastern landing the table with Hurts contained on July
twenty seven, eighteen sixty six, is just an overwhelming job.

(35:08):
Patty that they're done there. It's an overwhelming job that
they got there. And it's down in place and place.
It's it's an eye catcher. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Nice there, yeah, Penny.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
And the other thing is I just like to say again,
is this being the day of the election in the province.
I think they'll give a shout out to it in
this district for Carbon or Trinity Baya Bird. Our PC
candidate is Rony Balsam. The Liberal candidate is Danielle Donnell.
The NDP candidate is Kathleen Byrd. The Independent is Alison
Cosin and ed another independent is Edward Thomas Cole. I

(35:40):
just wish them all luck and all the best and
I let the people decide, and that's the way election's going.
That's the democratic way to do it for sure.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
It's also appreciate your times, Fornie, thank you.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
Thank you, Penny, and I'm thanks for holding me because
I'm not feeling up to today, but I had to
do with the mess.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
I appreciate it. Get well soon, thank you, say thank
you too. Bye bye. All right, let's go to line
the numbers and now you're on the air.

Speaker 6 (36:02):
Hi Edna Roberts from Carboneer on part of a Crafters
carbon Air Crafters Circle, a group of crafters who do crafting.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
For fun and the joy of it.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
On Saturday, we're going.

Speaker 8 (36:18):
To take part in the Carboneer Harvest Festival by holding
a display and demonstration of some of our works here
at the Community College cafeteria from ten o'clock in the
morning till three in the afternoon. And we'd love to
share some of the things we do with you and
maybe even show you how to do some things if

(36:39):
you don't know how to do them.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Do somethings such as.

Speaker 7 (36:43):
Knitting, crocheting, diamond painting. Would you believe tunis and crochet?
We have people who do all kinds of things and
we get together do them have tea and eat cookies
and chats.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
What's the difference between traditional crochet and Tunisian crochet?

Speaker 7 (37:03):
I couldn't tell you because I don't do it. But
one of the people in the group is a dab
hand at it. And well, if you could always come
out and see, I.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Guess I could fair point. And so is it today,
Edna or wouldn't you say it was?

Speaker 7 (37:21):
On Saturday from ten on till three and we're going
to have cookies and tea as we usually do.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Sounds like a scrumptious time. And now I'm curious about
what tunis and crochet is.

Speaker 7 (37:36):
Oh, well, you really need to know what Tunisian crochet is.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
And I think you're right Edna. I appreciate your times forming,
good luck with it.

Speaker 7 (37:45):
Well, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
My pleasure. Bye bye. There you go the car Community Center.
A little Tunisian crochet, good for the soul. Let's take
a break. When we come back. Red tape MoU Kevin's
awesome the que to talk about initie with a developer
in Paradise. Sarah wants to talk about transitional allow So
I wonder is that the behind closed doors additional severance
pay for cabinet ministers that thankfully got rescinded, But it
was shameful to vote for it in the first place.

(38:08):
Don't go away, welcome back to the show. Let's go
to one number four. Alvin around the air.

Speaker 9 (38:13):
Good morning, Patty, how are you?

Speaker 2 (38:14):
That's bad? How about you?

Speaker 9 (38:16):
Oh surviving? We certainly have a lovely day out there
that there's no excuse for not voting because of the weather,
that's for sure. Patty, I called this morning because you remember,
there's an old saying on the goal. Now is the
time for all good people to come to the aid
of the party. In my opinion, in this particular election,

(38:37):
now is the time for all good people to come
to the aid of the province. Their province, our province, Patty.
Back when Peckford sat his mandate on the off shore
back in eighty two, I think it was he won
forty four out of fifty two seats in the House
of Assembly. You got a landslide. That means a lot
of people who normally voted Liberal voted for him in

(38:58):
that election. Simply put, they put their province first, not
their priority, and as a result we got the Atlantic Accord.
And I think everybody would agree that the Atlantic Accord
has with great stuff for both our province and our country. Patty,
to the chagrin of many of my former PC colleagues,
I voted Liberal for the first time in my life
in the last federal election because I believe Mark Karney

(39:21):
was the best person to be Prime Minister in these
difficult times. Simply put, in the last federal election, I
voted for my country, not my usual party. Patty I
watched the debate the other night, and obviously neither of
the three leaders is a joey smallholder of Brian Peckford
in terms of political record rhetoric. But we saw the
Liberal leader, mister Hogan stick to his MU and the

(39:45):
PC leader, mister Wakem did the exact opposite thing. He
said that he would vet the MoU before it went
any further. Patty, numerous independent number crunchers have dissected HISOU
and found it that we had disaster as bad, if
not worse than the Upper Churchill deal, while no independent

(40:05):
number countries have supported it. Simply quote Hogan, Liberals, dominions
and a Cabala millionaires are in favor of it. Now
I see something wrong with that picture. I hope the
people out in your listening audience do as well. Paddy.
I said that I was voting PC in this election
as the no secret because a personal friend, Daryl Hines,

(40:26):
is running for the PCs and my home district of
Mount Sayle. However, if Daryl was running for the Liberal
Party in this election, friend or not, I could not
vote for him. Not in this particular election. The current
Liberal Party is led by a Bright was led by
a bright young doctor and now it's led by a
bright young lawyer. But from my point of view, as

(40:47):
a seventy three year old with a working lifetime in politics,
these two young men are babes in the woods when
it comes to politics. As one of the independent number
crunchers quote has said, and I quote, Fury and Hogan
were led into a well laid Quebec trap on the MoU,
and now Premier Hogan wants the other five hundred thousand

(41:08):
of us to follow him into that trap. Betty. Obviously,
Premier Hogan has not changed his mind on vetting the MoU.
From anything I've heard. We've been twice bitten on the
Churchill River, and if you vote Liberal, you're voting for
an unvetted MoU, and basically you'll be rolling the dice.

(41:30):
The dice rather, I should say, on your great grandchildren's future.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Alvin, how are you drawing parallel with the Atlanticic Court,
Because I mean, I was a pretty young man at
the time, but there was no real political opposition here
in the province.

Speaker 9 (41:42):
To the In Newfoundland at the time, the Liberal Party
in the House of Assembly wanted us to sign the
Nova Scotia Agreement, which was basically an agreement that Peer
Trudeau put in that basically gave no Noble Scotia secondary
role in its own offshore arrangements. So they basically for

(42:09):
Peckford to get forty four seats. A lot of people
who would normally support NDP or Liberal or whatever, they
voted for him because they voted for the future of
the province. They were willing to take an issue of
trust with him that he would work hard to bring
about the Atlantic Court, and of course he did. So

(42:30):
you know, there is a parallel in that I'm calling
on people to in this election, don't so much think
about your normal party affiliations, think about what's best for
your province in terms of THEMOU. Let me tell you
one little thing for our goal, Patty. In one of
my final exams in high school, the vice principal was

(42:53):
the supervisor, and he said this, when I give the
signal you've got two hours to complete this exam, I'm not.

Speaker 10 (43:00):
Going to wish you good luck.

Speaker 9 (43:02):
My only wish is that you get what you deserve, Patty.
If we endorse THEMOU in this election, I have no
doubt we'll get what we truly deserve. Just like when
Dwight Ball was elected in a change election because of Muskrat.
We need this to be a change election in order
to stop and vet them OU. To me, it's as
simple as that.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
I appreciate the time. You know, what would be helpful
is lot. I've all these aforementioned a number of crunchers
in opposition to THEMOU, the vast majority of have been
on this program. In contrast to mister Wakem's comments, he's
basically just saying pump the brakes and independent review. And
I think his idea about a referend was probably not
a very good idea, But I don't recall him saying

(43:45):
much in the way specifics, unlike mister Wilson or Sullivan
or Ver or Gregory or Dany or others about you know,
exactly what we need to focus in on which I
find to be most helpful to be honest, well, the you.

Speaker 9 (43:56):
Know, from my point of view, in general terms, ease
agreed to have the MoU vetted by whatever process, you know,
some sort of independent process, and whether or not there's
a referendum down the road is a totally different issue.
But right now he's agreed to have it vetted, and
petty I have absolutely no doubt in my mind and

(44:19):
in my heart that if we set up an independent
panel and it vets themou, it will come up with
the same results of all these bright Newfoundlanders who've done
all this analysis themselves and basically said it's a repeat,
if not worse than the upper Churchill contract.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, okay, So an independent panel, you know, just let's
take that a step further, because I don't know how
much different that would be than the current approach. As
opposed to try to find a company with no conflicts
of interest, which is also going to be tricky piece
of business. When we talk about consulting firms or advisory
bodies and or banks or other lenders who have not

(44:57):
done business with Hydro this province Hydroquebec or the Province
of Quebec. Why not just give it to someone like that.
I'll just pick a company that I've used many times
because they've been doing analysis and the energy business for
a long time, like Golvin Sachs. Why not just pick
a company as opposed to try to cherry pick some individuals,
because it's going down that road. Inevitably, it won't satisfy
all folks who are opposted to the project or the proposal.

Speaker 9 (45:21):
Yeah, I don't disagree. I mean it's key that we
set up some sort of proper vetting process, you know.
And I can't I'm not in government right now or anything.
But if I were in charge, I personally I call
in the Public Utilities Board and I'd say, we want

(45:41):
you guys, because you're you have a legislative role in
dealing with these things. I want you guys to set
up a panel. Use your budget to bring in whatever
experts you can from Brazil, South Africa, doesn't matter where
that are experts in the field of hydro electricity and

(46:02):
high finance. Put the committee together and give them some
terms of reference to find out if this thing is
good for us, so so for us, or a disaster
for us, and set them to work.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
But you.

Speaker 9 (46:16):
An individual company, I'd rather have a retired PhD in
economics from Australia get involved in something like this, then
someone who may or may not have a visitant interest.
But I think it will be up to the pub
or whatever organization the government assigned to construct the panel

(46:39):
of experts, and they would do the analysis. And like
I say, I firmly believe they would come up with
the same results as everybody else.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
I appreciate time, anything else quickly before I get the news.

Speaker 9 (46:51):
No, that's it. You said earlier that every vote counts.
I lost my third election by sixteen votes in Windsor Spring,
so every vote does count.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
That it does. Remember it's not that long ago, Jordan
Brown be Grahame leto by one vote. Just to drive
that point on.

Speaker 9 (47:09):
It happens. And if you come a close second, there
is no preize. You simply lose.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
That's it. Absolutely, there's only one winner in the election.
Well you know what I mean, Alvin, appreciate the time, Thanks.

Speaker 9 (47:19):
For doing it, No problem, Paddy, have a good day
you too.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Bye bye. All right, let's get to the news break
on time. For those of you in the Q, stay
right there, we'll get to you right after this. Don't
go away, Welcome back to the show. Let's go to
one number two saying more to the presidents of Bona
Vista and Trinity Bay Trail Riders Association. That's Ted Penny
High Ted around the air.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Good morning, Patty running.

Speaker 11 (47:41):
First, let me begin by saying the reason for my
call this morning is to make two points. First of all,
I want to later a listing audience. Many of them
give us tremendous support to know exactly where we are,
what the troll is, what do the laser and to
prevent our frustration. In these todays it seems like we

(48:03):
make one step forward and turned back. And first of all,
let me begin by introducing the Bonabasta and Trinity Bank
crow Riders. The Bonafsta and Trinity Bank crow Riders is
a not for profit organization that is manned by a volunteer,
dedicated group of people who have the initiatives to revitalize

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the old Bonavesta branch line to make it a year
round tourist attraction. The transformation of the Bonabasta relevaid into
a multi purpose trail offered remarkable potential. In the fall
and in the summer, it will serve as an ATV

(48:50):
trail to bring tourists to our area. It will marsh
back writings iikers. Whatever your recreational needs. The ind this
initiative is much more than a recreational upgrade. This is

(49:11):
going to bring a great economic.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Growth to the bottom est of Peninsula.

Speaker 11 (49:16):
With the proper investment and proper planning, this can become
a tourist attraction that will attract tourists from all over
Canada in the world.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
So what's the hang up?

Speaker 11 (49:31):
Ted, We're having all kinds of issues. We're trying to
acquire the LTO. The OLTO is a license to occupy.
You have to have the LTOL before you're allowed to
do anything. Now, we did begin and do some work
without having the olt OL. We wasn't aware of it

(49:53):
until we had a visit from the Department of Environment
from Saint John's Stay came and and at a visit
we took them on a towork and the work that
we had done to the trailway and what our intent
was of doing more. They were very overwhelmed with what
we had done, very pleased, and advices that we didn't

(50:16):
have no environmental assessment or anything to complete the trailway,
but we had to apply for the license to occupy,
which we did and we went as far as even
are in a consultant, which cost us thousands of dollars.
And this has been two years now and we still

(50:37):
not have got that permission to develop that trailway. We
haven't got written consent, and without written consent, we're not allowed.
We're not supposed to do anything. And as we all know,
anybody who knows the Bottombus Peninsula knows the devastation that
EGO at on the parts of that peninsula. And every
day that passes by its devastating to the revitalization of

(51:01):
this trail way. It's getting more and more deteriorated. Every
year we see a difference. And if this it's still
not worked on, then it's going to be almost impossible
to do to take on the job of trying trying
to restore. So what I'm saying is in whoever is

(51:24):
in government after the day, I hope that God that
they open up those buildings. So all those buildings, those
government buildings were constructed and staffed so that they could
serve us, the people of the province, and they're all
clothed down and since COVID we have not been able

(51:45):
to get in those buildings. If you if you, for example,
if you want to contact somebody in Crown Lands, if
I've been trying for the past few weeks now to
get up to Terror Margan Terror Morgan is the main
representative for the Crawary Lands in Carnival. I want to

(52:09):
Dietner to call it an apartment forestry in Carnival to
give them permission to issue us a cutting permit so
that we can start cutting back to brush. The track
is going in, people are trying to use it. You know,
most people have got investments. I've upwards sixty seventy thousand
dollars for those machines that are using today. You know this,

(52:32):
this industry has gotten really ready beat. It's bringing a
lot of dollars to the province. We see it, We
see it in throughout other areas of the province. And
what's more frustrating to me is to see on a
learn talking to I'm listening to other individuals speak about

(52:53):
dirt diary areas. We see a brand new trail being
developed on the southern shore of Newfland. We see another
well there and in Trinity Bay that that's recently been erected.
There's so many the list just going on and on,
and all we're asking for is our opportunity to do
to do this trial. We want to connect the bottom

(53:15):
mister Penusla to the rest of the trailways across neuf Land,
and we have a bunch of volunteers dedicated to do it.
And all we want is the okay to do it.
And we have played the game. Our transparency is speech
for ourself. We've been open and transparent with every government department.
We've invited them to come. I've made tried several times

(53:39):
to make contact with VOCM or with hugely not the
v OCM, with CBC, r MTV to have them come
out and so that I could take them on a
tour and let them film the destruction that's that's here
on our peninsula, this destruction that we have have taken

(54:00):
to correct. We are we are going to put that
that trailway through. We have gone an assessment. We know
we can do it. Uh and we we can't get
we can't get there. We can't get the olto to
allow us to go forward.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
So that what specifically is hold things up here. Look,
what are they asking for, part of you?

Speaker 11 (54:27):
It's beyond me, but you know, it seems it seems
like they they they did like this part of this
trill from Bonavista to the sheep Farm, just the old
Port Rexton, that part of the trill was awarded to
a group. Prior to our existence, the group was known
that the Bonavsta Peninsula Trailway. They did. They were unsuccessful.

(54:52):
They didn't. They didn't they didn't finish the job. They started.
They spend an excessive amount of money on it, but
they never did complete it. So when we started on
what I referred to as the left region on the
we on the western end of it all. We started
and we said we'll taking all and we're doing right

(55:12):
to Bodavesta. So we confronted. They confronted us and said
we had a public meeting. They confronted us and said, okay,
if you guys are going to do what, you guys,
do it all. So they transferred over. They transferred over
that their realty o their lease. They transferred their lease
over to us to the Bottabesta in Trinda Bank Trail
Brothers Association, and we came together with one body and Patty.

(55:35):
We got tremendous support. We got over sixty thousand dollars
upwards of sixty thousand dollars in a god direct me
in our bank account, true donations, true fund raisers that
have come from from the general public. Plus we got
thouses and thousands of dollars for it. If non monetary

(55:58):
items like we had beams that was erected for the
off shore round in Bay Bulls they had been They
were donated and delivered free of costs right right to
our site for us to reconstruct the old trustle in Loxton.
We have people who are coming forward with the Revy

(56:19):
equipment doing operating the Revy equipment at minimum costs, sometimes
very even the cost and fuel. I doubt if they're
even getting the costed fuel for the work that they performing.
So you see, we have tremendous support. We have a website.
We got over over three thousand followers on our website.
I mean, like I said, the support for this is unbelievable,

(56:41):
but the frustration has got to the point where I
economist write a book on this. I mean, you make
like I said, you'll get You're trying to get out
to somebody in Crown Lands. You call over there, and
all you do is you wait forever and ever, and
eventually you're alrely talking to a machine. You're talking to
a recording and after a while you will get an answer.

(57:02):
And if you're trying, and then you'll get enough, mate,
someone will set up an appointment for to make a
telephone call with you and you will talk to somebody
on the telephone you cannot get in the buildings, and
with the language barriers and everything in departments today, it's
very difficult to conduct business on a telephone. You have

(57:24):
to you have to go in that office where you
can lay out the facts right on the desk and
be face to face with the individual that you're talking
to and explain to them what your frustration is, what
you're trying to improve and petty. That's that's the way
that business has got to be done. I mean, I
hope that the guard today, that whoever wins the election tonight,

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that they will look into this. I mean, the government
departments are so hard to deal with you, you and
the several factors because you can't get in to talk
to the individuals. If you could actually balk the buildings
and talk to those individuals and layer all your complaints
that I'm sure it would be.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
A lot better, no question. I mean, counter service is
kind of by the way of the Dodo bird. So
for something that I mean, this area is only ever
going to be used for a couple of things, including
what you're proposing here. It could be an economic driver.
It could be the opportunity for people to get out
and enjoy the outdoors, all things that we hear as
some level of importance to the government. So in action

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on these things just doesn't make any sense. I mean,
if there's other competing proposals, whatever they might be, that
would be one thing. But with one group coming forward
with a sole purpose and the money spent on consultants
and going through the l t O and all the
rest of it, I don't know why government is so
slow and drags or heels on a variety of things,
including this. It's really frustrating though. I can only imagine
what it is for you, Ted.

Speaker 11 (58:50):
Yes and later said, you know this is dis got free,
great economic for the for the that's the bottom uspenensa.
And we know that we see it. I mean, uh,
anybody who anybody who was following political campaigns. Charlie Penner

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there in Carnival speaking about it. He's speaking, he's using
that on his platform. He's speaking about it. He's saying
about Ali when he went mayor of Carnival, how we
brought how they brought in ATVs to Carnival, put them
vulture to town of Carnival. And he's emphasizes and on
the great economic growth that he's saying by allowing that

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to happen. And we all know that this, this is,
this is growing to be a major industry in our province.
We're seeing Taurus from all across Canada.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Right now.

Speaker 11 (59:44):
We're actually seeing Torus from Canada going down the bottom
Us Spens And like I said, man, they give their
bikes one awful punishment to go down there. I mean, this,
this trill is certainly not by no means to the
standard that it needs to be. And then, like I
said earlier, off machines cost anywhere from the starting point
on both machines, for the most part of this party

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ran up. They're very very lustrous machines. Today they are
completely in clothed, eat it air conditioning, very very luxturous.
And we got a lot of our seniors today there
was getting the opportunity to get out enjoy the great
outdoors and they're seeing a different perspective. I mean, this
is our heritage. This, this Motafesta Brench line is what

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made the bottoms the peninsula what it is today. Was
that connection with that railway. The Reed Newfland Company came
here constructed that railway. Our fathers and our grandfathers before
us worked on this railway. It's it's it should have
been just passed on down to us and that and
I mean this is a way that we can restore

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the syrities. I mean we can we can all every
almost every town, every community story.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
That's Ted. Listen. I appreciate the time and the information
here this morning. Keep me in the loop.

Speaker 11 (01:01:06):
Certainly will and like I said, I'm all feeing that
if we if we get the change of government wherever
it is, for God's sake, listen to us, I give
us opportunity to develop this and take all the red
tape and everything down the face because it's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Ted, I know it is. I appreciate your time. Thank
you all right? Did you say you all right? Ted Penny,
President of one of us at Trinity Bay Trail Riders Association.
Let's take a break, welcome back. Just a couple of
quick things. So people are sending me notes asking do
I know where their polling station is? Short answers no.
But if you go to elections and l there's a

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where to vote tap you seem to go in and
type in your civic address and they'll tell you where
your polling station is. Then there's some confusion about elections
and al signis specifically at the Village Mall. If that
is your polling station, The signage apparently is really poor.
The voters have been asking and we're being being told
that the mall itself is restricting signage. So if you

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are going to have to vote to the village mall,
the following stations are on the lowest level, next where
the fountain once was. All right, let's keep going. Let's
go to line number three. Kevin around the air.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Good day, Patty. How are you today, sir?

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
That's Matt. How about you, great, sir, Patty.

Speaker 12 (01:02:24):
I just wanted to call in and just follow up
on the situation the development on Drovers Road on the
back of Irving Dry.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Since we've last chatted. I've I've with the help of.

Speaker 12 (01:02:40):
A friend of mine who's a may area in the
Metro area, and I'm after digging my teeth into this
thing and finding out more information. And I've I've talked
to Bradley Moss, the provincial ombus person that oversees departments of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Government for the new Pland government. Also, I spoke to
Dan Bobbitt.

Speaker 12 (01:03:08):
Dan was coming up my street a few weeks ago campaigning,
so I had the opportunity to have to speak with him,
and so he gave me some information. He said that
there's two parts to my argument there the first apartment.
The first part is the environment, the wildlife, and the second.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Part is the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Violation of the acts.

Speaker 12 (01:03:29):
From what I can see, the town didn't follow proper procedure.
The Town of Paradife didn't follow proper procedure when it
comes to the Urban Rule Planning Act and the Newland
and Regulation Act. So Dan Bobbitt told me that we
were supposed to be notified within to any resident within
two hundred meters, we're supposed to be notified.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Of course, none of us were notified.

Speaker 12 (01:03:53):
So then I drafted up a petition and got all
the residents on the street.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
To sign up to have this development put on old and.

Speaker 12 (01:04:07):
You know, to try to figure out what the what
what is going on there as we weren't notified. So
when I walked up the street, I talked to one lady.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
She's been there fifty four years.

Speaker 12 (01:04:18):
So obviously the street is one of the older streets
here in Paradise. So we had like you know, you know,
it was a wildlife abundant abaat tree habitat between it
behind us. So I talked to her and she told me,
she said, Kevin, she said, it's it's appalling.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
What's happter happening there?

Speaker 12 (01:04:36):
She said, I had to put my cat in my
house a few days ago, a few weeks ago, she said,
before all this took place, because my cat was going
out in the tree line and taking the baby rabbits,
the baby bunnies out of their borrows, out of their dens,
and you know, leaving them on our front step after
that or whatnot. So she burned her cat in her house.

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So I started thinking about all this. So then I
started digging. Municipalities are subject to federal and provincial at
the Environmental Act. So the municipality, you know, they had
to know if someone.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Environment knew or they should have knew, should have known that.

Speaker 12 (01:05:13):
You know, they're subject to Environmental and Wildlife wallet acts.
You know, the rabbits are in their rabbits were in
their breeding season, their last breeding season, so they had
bunny rabbits, you know, babies in the dens or pregnant moms.
All this was scooped up patty and carried away in
a in a dump truck and you know, I don't

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blame the developer.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Developer is only doing what he's told.

Speaker 12 (01:05:37):
But I do blame the town for not following through
on what they were.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Supposed to do.

Speaker 12 (01:05:42):
You know, they are subject to the Federal Wildlife Act,
the Environmental Protection Act, and the Environmental.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Protection Act, you know, Cleary states.

Speaker 12 (01:05:52):
You know, and if you go back to the Municipalities Act,
Section one, section four fourteen, A council shall make regulars
respecting subject to the Environmental.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Protection Act Section forty six, sub section A.

Speaker 12 (01:06:06):
You know, so they broke these acts.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Which they should not have done. But anyway, they did
do this.

Speaker 13 (01:06:13):
But then I went back to you know, where we notified,
and then.

Speaker 12 (01:06:17):
I find out from the Act that the Urban and
Rule Planning Act, Patty, that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Section fourteen, sub section one, they violated that.

Speaker 12 (01:06:29):
Part of the Act, which and then they took away
our rights under sub section forty one section A of
the Act. Then the Provincial Regulations Act Notice of Appeal,
section five, they broke that Act. Now where all this
is going to go, Patty, I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
You know, it all comes down to, I guess where
do we push this to?

Speaker 12 (01:06:58):
But certainly, goodness, you know, towns need to be self
aware that they are accountable to provincial regulation. And I
don't know if anyone you know, in in the town
of Paradise actually read these read these urban the Urban
and Rural Planning Act, the Municipalities Act. It makes me wonder,

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if you know, it seems like they're just going and
doing what they're doing and not taking any disregard of
what their responsibilities are, which is very unfortunate for a town.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yeah, the summary question of who has to answer for
this is a good one because inevitably this will be
figure pointing municipality at the province and vice versa.

Speaker 12 (01:07:50):
Absolutely, But you know, Patty, my god, Patty, you know,
where is the town to not realize that they are
accountable to you know, the wildlife.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
You know, you got to think about what they did
to the wildlife.

Speaker 12 (01:08:03):
There has not been a rabbit scene on our street
in weeks and weeks and weeks. And on our street,
we're one of the oldest streets here in Paradise.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
There would be you walk up the street at.

Speaker 12 (01:08:14):
Early in the morning or late late, you know, the
usually early in the morning, you know, there would be
five or ten rabbits running around the property.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
It's gone.

Speaker 12 (01:08:26):
There hasn't been anything, you know, you know, and knowingly
knowing that rabbits were, you know, in their breathing season.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
You know, the law applies equally.

Speaker 12 (01:08:36):
To me, you and in corporation, which in municipality is
a corporation.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
So they're in complete violation of the of the Wildlife Act, the.

Speaker 12 (01:08:47):
The the the then the Animal Health and Protection Act.
They broke all these laws and I'm just wondering, like
I'm working with Bradley Moss, the provincial AMAS person, but
I'm sure, you know, you know, I'm sure they get
to the bottom of this. But the town of Paradise
certainly needs to start really realizing that the responsibilities are

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because it seems like they just go in, you know,
after talking to the neighbors. You know, several of the
neighbors made the joke Paradise, if they see a tree,
they cut it down, so which is very unfortunate.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
And I've lived in Paradise for twenty.

Speaker 12 (01:09:25):
Years and some of the neighbors a lot longer than me,
and you know, everyone got the same attitude. Listen, nobody
is against development, but development is subject to you know,
the you know, the community, the general offare of the community.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
And certainly public health and quality of life in general.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
I appreciate the time. Kevin, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Okay, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Patty, you're welcome. Great day, the same too. Bye bye, Dave. Okay,
let's see here. Will we come back to cheryls the
letter to talk about the transitional allowance? Sharon wants to
talk about our power bills and never speak with you, Oh, Shannon,
pardon me, wants to talk with the powerbles. Don't go away.
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number five. Sarahl,
you're on the air.

Speaker 10 (01:10:09):
Good morning, and thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
No problem for allowing.

Speaker 13 (01:10:15):
For me to speak on your show this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:10:19):
This is an important message that I have, so I
asked your listeners to pay attention, listen carefully. I have
great respect for any politician who sacrificed their time and
energy to improve our problems and to make life better

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for us. But I have lost all respect, trust, and
credibility for this liberal government.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
What in particular as made you feel that way? Sarah?

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Pardon me?

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
What, what in particular has made you feel that way?

Speaker 10 (01:11:02):
I will give you example after example. I'll just go
a few Let's take the transitional allowance. It was done
behind closed doors. It was cover up. The same thing
has been happening for ten years, scandal after scandal, because

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the government is corrupt, corrupt, corrupt, and then cause the
cover up, the cover up, the cover up keeps repeating
itself over and over again.

Speaker 14 (01:11:41):
And all this is happening for.

Speaker 10 (01:11:44):
One reason and one reason only. We've had no leadership,
no real leadership. This government haven't had it for ten years,
full years of no real leadership. And I'll give you

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the example. This transitional allowance is a very good example.
When I think with CBC got access to information and
found out what was happening that those people behind the
closed doors voted themselves the transitional allowance.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
They asked our.

Speaker 10 (01:12:30):
Premier, mister Holben. This was his response. I didn't know, oidk.
I didn't know what a response to come from a premier.
And didn't he give the reasons why he didn't know

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because he was on the campaign trail. He was campaigning
even though he was back to work twenty three days
and he didn't know. Well, let me tell you this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
He was the premier.

Speaker 10 (01:13:06):
He was the part to know. That's his job to know.
Oh he didn't know what a copit easier south the way.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
And then oh, man, come on right, it makes no sense. Okay,
it makes no sense that John Hogan didn't know about
it like that does not pass anybody's smell test if
we're being honest. And when you mentioned out on the
campaign trail, that's when he was running for the Liberal leadership.
So yeah, okay, he was not technically in cabinet, but
to then be sworn in May after this decision was

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made in March, and to say that he didn't know
about it, I don't think anyone's buying that. And just
for a refresher, this additional transitional allows or severance for
cabinet ministers. It was pro rated. It was a bare
minimum of twelve thousand dollars on top of the already
in place a severance pay for a maximum of forty
eight just sort of forty nine thousand dollars. So we

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are talking pretty significant money. It's good that it went
by the wayside, but it is shameful that had ever
happened in the first place.

Speaker 10 (01:14:07):
Absolutely shameful pretending, said said said, And to say I've
seen the flext on the screen, I'm on TV screen
a few times. Real leadership, real leadership, you know what,
Come on, give us a break. New for lenders are

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not that noive, they're intelligent, smart people. They can figure
out what's going on. This man had the opportunity. He
had the opportunity, but he dropped the ball. He missed
the boat, He missed the bold and opportunity. He could
have come out swinging and said, hey, this stuff is

(01:14:51):
going to stop. I am the leader. I got real
leadership to offer you people. I am behind you, not
those crawlings. They came up with this deal, absolutely ridiculous.
He had the opportunity to shine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
But he didn't do it.

Speaker 10 (01:15:12):
You're either farce or you're against us. And that just
showed his true callers. He don't have it as a
leadership and he's not going to have it. And my
message today to the people of this province. Tell your family,

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tell your friends, tell your neighbors, tell your co workers
to get out and vote. Vote, Tell everyone you see,
tell people you meet on the street to get out
and vote. Vote today. Vote for the individent, vote for

(01:15:54):
the vote for the peces. Do not vote this liberal,
corrupt party. We've had him long enough. It's time to
get rid of him. There's time to kick him out.
There's time to vote him out. It's like the Bismarck.
We got to sink this mark. We got to put

(01:16:17):
her down. The world depends on us. We got the
sink this liberal government. We got to put them down
because our children and our grandchildren depends on us. They
depend on us.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Remember that, my friends.

Speaker 10 (01:16:33):
Remember this man has not got it. I'll tell you
that he's got no gunction, he's got no guns. He
didn't stand up first. And now I'm going to give
you another example why he didn't stand He didn't stand
up first. He had the opportunity. Again, they're all back.

Speaker 5 (01:16:52):
He was asked this question, what do.

Speaker 10 (01:16:55):
You think of the money that was spent on the
travel versus.

Speaker 15 (01:17:03):
This is what he said, fear.

Speaker 9 (01:17:07):
Okay, Then.

Speaker 10 (01:17:09):
If it was fair, why didn't he call the news
conference and tell the people of New for Land and
Labrador explain to him how it was fair. This was
in the news for a long long time and it's
still in the news.

Speaker 12 (01:17:23):
He didn't do it.

Speaker 10 (01:17:24):
If he thought it was fair, he was the minister
of him. He was probably involved with it. Don't tell
me that they don't know what happened. If you're working
for a company and you're only tragged your finance, you
know where the money is going. Come on, man, come
on this get real. Who are you trying to for?
Not me and not you the taxpayers either. You know

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as well as I know what happened. Cover up scandal,
scandal scandal, because there's a corrupt of him and sickle
of that has been corrupt for ten years. Unreal. The
nurses knows not there, they know it's not there, and
all of you know it's not there. Okay, just not

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We started here recently, just started ten years ago. Ten
years ago. Look what mister Ball did. I remember the
election when he got elected, the PC said this, They
said we are going to raise the HST two percent. Well,

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I said, that's we need another two percent on what
we're paying now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
On cooes.

Speaker 10 (01:18:39):
Mister Ball with his big way and everything else, and
he's here all slick back. I'm not going to That's
one thing I'm not going to do when I get elected.
I am not going to raise Hey just he what
did he do? Turned around and raised it? He HST

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two percent posters.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
On every Ball poster.

Speaker 10 (01:19:06):
Really upsetting about all the posters I remember that, and
you'll remember too, you the voters remember that betrayal trader
right from the start, right from the get go, right
from the get go. And then he had just wat
her name worked over at the at the rooms here

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down there about it mis el here somewhere anyway, But
buddy down there on the order Peninsul went and went
and give her their job. They asked mister Ball about that,
and uh, I kind of a thought that's what it was.
Don't know. I didn't know about it. Oh d K

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blamed it all on mister mister Mitchamore, and that man
was very laid back, easy go, never rocked the boat,
never met anyway. I believe they don't anything he did
while he was in there and here he lost his
political career over it. He blamed it on him. Just
the kind of a government if we had for ten

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years it didn't know, Unreal, man, Unreal, we can't go
those people back in. We'd be off our head. We
can't do it. We've got to think about our children
and our grandchildren. We can't do this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
But Unreal understood. So I won't put you down. As
I said, I understood, I won't put you down as undecided.
You're going to do one? I said, I will not
put you down as undecided. Would you like to say
anything else quickly before.

Speaker 5 (01:20:39):
I have to go.

Speaker 10 (01:20:41):
Okay, I'll just summarize. Please say it today if the
day did you out and go? Tell your family, tell
your friends, tell your neighbors, tell your coworkers, tell everyone
you meet.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Thank you, Sarah, appreciate your time. Sarah's sick of it. Uh,
let's take a break, don't go away, welcome back. Let's
go to line number one. Shannon are on the air. Morning,
Good morning, How are you okay?

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
You good sir.

Speaker 13 (01:21:19):
This is Shannon Jones Unconference Western New flamp and just
want to let you know a little bit of my background.
I'm a builder and we build many new homes here
on the West Coast for people and also spickhumps. Just
got back from Saint John's from the weekend. Our son
was in a basketball tournament out there, and my wife
showed me the email from New Fland labor or Power

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that our yearly estimated payment doubled. So I found that
really strange because, like I said, I'm a builder. I
built this new house not that long ago, and everything
energy efficient all spray fill, ventilations, heat pumps. I got
a woodburn fireplace as well, and I didn't understand the

(01:22:07):
extreme increase in the power bill, so I called them
this morning. I was unphoneing them for thirty minutes, just
going over the last six months of the power bills.
So just for example, in July month twenty twenty four,
we used nine undred and fifteen kilot and in twenty
twenty five we used eighteen hundred and fifteen kilo lot. So,

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like I said to the new plan labor or power guy,
we weren't eating home. Our son was on the Canada
Games team for basketball and we were gone all of
July and three weeks in August. So I wanted some
type of mix of an explanation why to increase when

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nobody was on So the explanation he gave he said,
we'll prep your hot water tank. The term stap's not working.
So soon as I hung up the phone with him,
I called one of my looks and I got him
to come out. Checked out water tank. Water tank's fine.
I said, check every term stet in my house. Now
check everything. So I said, I gotta make other people

(01:23:11):
were of what's going on because my electricians said sometimes
they're using these smart readers, and I just don't understand.
And like every time someone comes up our driveway, I
I said, a ding on my phone true to security camera.
I don't see anybody coming up here reading it in meters,
so it must be read from a distance. And this
was the first time I was aware of in our

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power even doing these type of readings from a distance.
But what blows my mind is that I took the
actual time and spent actual money on make sure this
house is properly insulated. And look, I said to the
guy on the phone, I said, our baseboard heaters never
cut in.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
In the winter time.

Speaker 13 (01:23:51):
I said, we burn wood and we got eat pumps
in our home. So but he couldn't really give me
any expation whatsoever. Why this power bill went up like
in the last six months. And it's not like a
little bit like in twenty twenty four, in the month
of July, it was nine and fifteen twenty twenty five.

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In July eighteen hundred and fifteen kill life. So I'm
just wanting to ask the question, is there any other
people calling in having concerns or complaints or you knew
or if you know any reason for it just to
even be happening, And like for us, it's it's I

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doute the money a bit, but you know, like why
should we have to pay for something that we're not
using because we weren't home in July and August.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
I hear this all the time, fanning and generally speaking
to a man to a woman. They can't get an explanation,
and if when they're given some sort of half hearted explanation,
it really doesn't make any sense. Like even back in
February when the complaint were coming fast and furious about
the power bills, you know, a year over your comparisons
and whatnot. That's one thing because in the winter people

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can get away with saying, well, it's called our temperatures
and it's been windy, and then it's hard to fight
back because it was called and windy. But over the
course of the summer and the email that you received
with very little to no explanation, it's extremely frustrating, whether
it be about the money, the principle, or whatever the
case would be. But I hear this all the time.

Speaker 13 (01:25:25):
So I got daty Dumer's nummer. I do believe he's
still on the public utilities book, Am I pricked and saying.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
That I don't think so.

Speaker 13 (01:25:32):
No, Oh okay he used to be out of before then.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Yes, that's quite a long time ago.

Speaker 13 (01:25:39):
Yep, okay, okay, No, do you have like another type
of contact that I can reach out to, just say,
not a person who's on the phone. Just stand by
for someone who can answer these questions for me, Because,
like I said, I said, soon as they said the
term set hot water tank, I knew that he didn't

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know talking about because I'm pretty familiar because if your
turn set was on full time, your out louder think
will boil over and give out. That's just what happens.
So I just went hit and caught my lectricus and
I said, come down, chick. These couple of things. I
got the chick. Every every turn set in my house,
I got to check the load on the panel and

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everything seems fine, so I'm not burning any more power.
And then he asked, also if anybody was coming up
plugging an extension cord into my house while I was gone,
I said no. And if somebody did come and plug
the extension cord for a skill set or for a chopstick,
your power bill is not going to double, like it

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just don't make any sense at all. And like I said,
this is the first time I've ever recalled. We do
not complain. We know power bills is going up, but
it shouldn't go up one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Yeah, you know from one Yeah, I get it. You
can first steps and you're going to be told this
by the puv is is you have to deal directly
with either a new flound level or hydro or new
flaning power. And they've got a complaints division, you know,
they just call it customer relations. If you do not
get a resolution, you can indeed file a formal complaint
with the Border Commissioners at the pub. You can also

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deal with the consumer advocate as well. So those are
the only two entities outside of the utilities.

Speaker 13 (01:27:20):
Yeah, that's like I was saying to the voice. I said,
sometimes the power goes here, I'll a tree mabele on
the line and we got backup power. I said, we
wouldn't burn seven hundred dollars a month in gas if
we had to power our house with gasoline. Yeah, fair enough,
because we're gone to work in the daytime, so we
got to flick the power on for three or four
hours in the nighttime, cook s upper and fish shower

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and go to Big Will Soviet. But I know we
wouldn't burn seven hundred dollars a month in gas for
the power our house. And it's so well done for insulating,
and like I said, I'm a carpenter by trade, and
I took the extra steps and for costs to make
sure this was properly insulated. Heat pumps, basebort heaters don't
cut in. You've got a wood burning fireplace that's really

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energy efficient. So it's I'm just mind bangled about the
one percent increase in our power bill, and I just
wanted little listeners and know just to pay attention to
your power bill if you're on equal payments, and if
you're not paying attention to it, like they just do
whatever they want. For the most part, that's what it
seems like because we've printed off to the last twelve bills,

(01:28:24):
the last twelve monthly bills, and every single one has
been gone up substantially.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
If I was you, I'd do the follow up after
you know. So at New Flan Hydro, I think it's
called customer relations, and at the at Newfland Power it
is customer relations and at New Fland Hydro's customer services.
But if you're not getting any satisfaction there, then the
only two other avenues available are the consumer advocate, which

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is Dennis Brown, and or the border commissioners at the pub.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Yeah, because I've.

Speaker 13 (01:28:56):
Asked for someone to come and look at the meter,
just to make sure the meter was was functioning properly,
because it was it was, it was just it was shocked.
And like I said, I said, it is what it
is if if we use the power with Hayfer. But
the full month of July, my wife and myself and
my son we were in Saint John's and three weeks

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in August and it still went up a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Understood.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Okay, sir, you go out back to your collars.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
You have a great day you too. Let me know
if this plays out at all at the pub, because
I've sent some people down that road in the past
and they've run up against nothing. So apparently they've run
up against nothing but a brick wall, I should say,
so let me know how you make that.

Speaker 13 (01:29:38):
I'm the type of guy that I won't stop until
I get to answer, because I just believe that that
this is wrong, And I just believe in faireness. So
if I'm the person who needs to make a few
extra calls and knock on a few extra doors, they
man myself with this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
I will well let me know how it works out.
If you don't mind, I will thank you very much.
Thanksving you too, Bye bye.

Speaker 10 (01:30:04):
Look.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
I mean, if we have a question about your bill
and we're dealing with a utility, there's got to be
better answers offered than what about your hot water boiler?
You know what about it? If you have concerns with
it and you want to justify the bill, maybe come
out and take a look at the meter, or take
a look at what's happening inside his house, the measures
he's taken to be energy efficient, and then answer the question.
Let's take a break. We'll come back and talk about

(01:30:25):
the role of the pharmacists here in the province. Nancy
read Is with the Coalition of Persons with Disabilities wants
to look back at the debate that was, and Chris
wants to talk about the MoU and then whatever you
want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to lighte number two.
Second morning to the President of the Pharmacist Association of
NEWFLANDA laborador. That's doctor Ashley Wagner. Morning doctor, you're on
the air.

Speaker 14 (01:31:02):
Hi, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
How's it going great today?

Speaker 14 (01:31:06):
It's definitely a busy one, so I really appreciate you
giving me some time to just talk about some issues
of importance to pharmacy and to our association leading into
election day today. So thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Happy to do it.

Speaker 14 (01:31:21):
So in mid September, Panel sent some correspondents to our
three political parties looking for responses to many of these
important issues, and as of last Tuesday we had received
responses from all the parties. We shared them with our
members to help them form their voting decision today. But
I just wanted to kind of touch on a couple

(01:31:42):
of those important issues and make sure the public is
aware so they can also consider them going into election
day today. So the first is on universal coverage for
pharmacy services, so as most people are probably aware.

Speaker 11 (01:31:55):
A couple of years ago we got universal coverage.

Speaker 14 (01:31:59):
For extensions and also for eight common ailments that pharmacists
can assess them prescribe for, and that was great. You know,
I think that as pharmacists, we've really shown our worth
and how we're such a huge asset in the healthcare system.
As of late, I think we're at about thirty thousand
residents in this province has been assessed them potentially prescribed

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for a UTI by a pharmacist, So that's thirty thousand people.
You know, we're keeping out of doctors' offices, out of
waiting rooms, and I certainly think we've kind of shown
what we can do to help with the healthcare system.
But it is only eight common ailments we're currently receiving
coverage four, so pharmacists actually at this time can assess

(01:32:42):
them prescribe for thirty three common ailments, so twenty five
of those are not covered under this universal coverage. So
I think it's something that government definitely needs to start
focusing on so that our public can avail of the
pharmacists more for these services and again hopefully keep them
out of doctors out offices and waiting rooms and having

(01:33:02):
to avail of services that they're potentially having to pay
for in the communities as well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Yeah, and some of that stems from the fact that
a lot of people listening to the show this morning
consider pharmacist someone in a white coat dispensing prescriptions as
opposed to the full scope of practice that should be entertained.
Can you give us a couple of examples of that
list of twenty five that should indeed be covered.

Speaker 14 (01:33:22):
Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think of them off
the top of my head. One of the things that
we really actually pushed for the last time we got
eight was prescribing for dismnory women's health issues or something
that are often not always a priority in healthcare. So
that was one that we really did push for, was
prescribing for DYSMENORYA. We did get prescribing for singles and UTIs,

(01:33:49):
which were major ones. But there is a lot of
things that's happening in other provinces that we are pushing for,
and that's prescribing and assessing for strep throat as an example,
which is one that you do see people see looking
at walking clinics often.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
For absolutely and time is of the essence, if you've
ever had strepped throat, you want to be able to
get that diagnosed in a prescription to its suite one.

Speaker 14 (01:34:11):
Hundred percent there. And you know, we have like put
forward to government our proposals for different common ailments that
we think are the priority at this point, but there
really hasn't been any movement and it has been over
two years. So, like I said, I really think we've
shown that we kind of took the eight and we
really ran with it, and I really think at this
point we really need to be expanding that so we

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can help more residents.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
In this province.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Where does the Pharmacy Association come down on things like recruitment,
because we talked about that throughout the entirety of healthcare
professionals incentives for and you know, if you're working in
the quote unquote private sector, it's one thing, But if
you're working in the public sector, i the hospitals, what
does recruitment look like.

Speaker 14 (01:34:51):
Yeah, I'm really happy you brought that up, because that's
another point that we really hammered home when we.

Speaker 13 (01:34:56):
Reached out to the political parties.

Speaker 14 (01:34:59):
We are actually very concerned about the number of vacancies
currently both in community and hospital, but particularly in our
hospital pharmacies. We have met with government on different occasions
and we have really put forward some specific measures that
we think need to be taken in order to make

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sure we're not only retaining the staff we have, but
also helping bring people in because there is a shortage
and really, if anything, we should be expanding the number
of pharmacists in our hospital. Hospital pharmacists have such a
unique skill set. They are medication experts, like we should
be seeing them on all floors in the hospital, on
all teams. You know, a lot of people go into

(01:35:40):
the hospital and they never see a pharmacist. They're all
working behind the scenes, but in an ideal situation they
would be there. You would be seeing when they do
have so much to offer in those settings.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Is there any different level of training or education for
a pharmacists working in the hospital setting.

Speaker 15 (01:35:55):
There isn't.

Speaker 14 (01:35:56):
Some do have residency training, but often as part of
our licensure we have to do continuing education units each year,
so they often do that, and then there's of course
on the job training. So I worked in the hospital
for a brief period of time, and I mean I
worked with pharmacist who worked in the ICU and the
amount of knowledge that they had learned both individually.

Speaker 10 (01:36:19):
On the job.

Speaker 14 (01:36:20):
It was amazing, honestly, Like, they have so much knowledge
and there's such an asset to healthcare teams, and I
think anyone who works in the hospital with these pharmacists
would say that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
This might be a strange question, but give us an
example of something a pharmacists can currently do inside their
scope of practice that people might not know about, because
I send people over, for instance, to Mon's School of
Pharmacy and the Medication Therapy Services Clinic where they look
at the entirety of your prescriptions and what might be
redone and what might be dangerous and all those types
of things. So give us an example of something that
you can do that people might not know about, well.

Speaker 14 (01:36:54):
One hundred percent, So I mean medication review that you
brought up. I hope most of the public is aware
that we can do and often we do it, even
sometimes some people aren't realizing. We're kind of constantly looking
and being like is this appropriate is it not? And
working with patients and physicians or prescribers. But right now,
I mean, I'm not sure how many people are aware
of this but earlier this year we actually got the

(01:37:17):
approval to assess and prescribe more of the publicly funded vaccines,
So things like MMR I mean Shinrick. Most people did
know that one was kind of in the news a lot,
but MMR t DApp. A lot of those vaccines that
people were having to go through public health for or
their physician, we actually can assess and prescribe for them

(01:37:40):
at our level now and it's no cost to the patient.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
I appreciate your time this morning, doctor, anything else you'd
like to add.

Speaker 14 (01:37:48):
Yeah, I again, with the recruitment and retention, I would
just like to hammer home that I do think it's
a really important thing that we should be pressuring our
government to look at, because, like I said, I am
quite concerned about the shortages we have. You know, our
hospital pharmacists really do not have a fair contract at
this time, which is really making it difficult for recruitment

(01:38:09):
and retention. And I think this is something that the
government needs to closely look at. And we've been saying
this for a number of years now, so that's something
I really hope to see coming out of this election,
is better.

Speaker 12 (01:38:20):
Contracts being negotiated for for.

Speaker 14 (01:38:22):
Our farmsuts and also the other allied health professionals.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Two quick ones, Can you give us a number regarding
the shortage inside the hospitals of pharmacists just for context?

Speaker 14 (01:38:32):
So, unfortunately I do not have a number. We're actually
so a number of years ago we did complete a
vacancy survey, but at that time we were not giving
access to the numbers in hospital, so we only really
had definitive community numbers. We are circulating that survey again,
hoping to get some accurate numbers again to go to

(01:38:53):
government and continue to advocate. So we are hoping and
we have encouraged that, you know, hopefully we will get
those numbers so that we can better advocate for our
hospital pharmacist.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Last one, does the Pharmacist Association have a position on
the province the fact that the province has not signed
on to National Pharmacare at this point we do not.

Speaker 14 (01:39:13):
Unfortunately, there really isn't enough information that has been provided
to us about the specifics of National Pharmacare. We have
always encouraged government to include us in any conversation they
have with the federal government regarding National Pharmacare, So you know,
we haven't been in any talks I don't know where
the government is at it, but they have assured us

(01:39:34):
that they will involve us in those decisions, because I
think the most important thing is if you're signing on
for a national pharmacare you need the pharmacist to be involved.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
No question. It's good to have you on this program
this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:39:46):
Nice to meet you, absolutely, Thanks so much, my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
Bye bye, Doctor Ashley Wagmar pharmacist, and of course the
president at Panel. Let's take a break, we'll we come back.
The executive director of the Coalition of Persons with Disabilities
is Nazi Reach. He's in the queue. Then you don't
go away. Oh, welcome back. Let's go lin number three
Sagamore to the executive director at COD and now that
SENSEI read and good morning, Nancy. You're on the air.

Speaker 16 (01:40:08):
Hi, Patty.

Speaker 7 (01:40:09):
Great to be here today.

Speaker 16 (01:40:10):
Thanks so much for getting me on. My pleasure, Patty.
I'd like to start the conversation not around the election piece,
per se, but I want to give you an update
on something we did a couple of weeks ago. On
September twenty ninth at the Coalition, we held a disability
for him. I don't have an official title for its
on calling it that, and it was held in person

(01:40:32):
at the holiday end in Portugal cover Road. We also
were joined by our number of individuals in the province
throughout the province joined through zoom in that live event
and we had at least thirty individuals come to the
in person session, and including in that number, we're a
number of new faces, which is always a great thing
to see, but really nice that we can reach out

(01:40:54):
and include people who don't usually come to those spaces.
So we realized that at that meeting, the disability forum
that we held was intended to be a place where
individuals identifying with disability could come together to talk about
their concerns and talk about their concerns at this election moment,

(01:41:14):
it was immediately before the municipal election as well as
the provincial election of course, and we even realized a
couple of individuals from both elections came. So there were
a couple of individuals who were offering themselves in the
provincial election and a couple of folks who were offering

(01:41:36):
themselves for the municipal spaces in the City of Saint John's,
So again that was really appreciated. The individuals came together
and talked about a number of significant issues, and I
think that for those running for elected office who were present,
it was really important for them and was certainly educational.

(01:41:57):
And each of them spoke at the end and said
that we did run into a hiccup. I'm gonna call
it an unfortunate moment with that particular forum, and it's
something that I want to address publicly. We at the
beginning of the forum, actually literally ten minutes before the

(01:42:17):
meeting want was to start. I was actually at the
head table and many of the guests were already in
place in the room. We got notification from from the
American Sign Language interpreters who were going to be covering
that event that they were not able to be there
with us. Now, I will say very openly that the

(01:42:39):
individuals who were to do that event, the ASL interpreters,
were not local folks. We tried to get folks from
the local community. There simply are not enough interpreters ASL
interpreters in this province to meet the needs of the
community and the group that need them, and so even
though we tried for several days to get folks, there

(01:43:02):
was nobody locally available. So what we often have to
do and did in this case was go to a
virtual interpreters through different parts of the country. We were
able to secure two interpreters, but that evening, unfortunately they
canceled at the very last minute, and so I had
a room full of individuals, some folks meeting a cell

(01:43:23):
interpretation and we weren't able to provide it in that moment.
What we did was conversation with an individual who uses
ASL in the room on that day. We decided on
the spot that we would while we were recording the
event anyway, that we would take that recording and have
ASL have an interpreter videoed and inserted into the overall video.

(01:43:48):
I'm in the process right now of circulating that particular video,
which I actually got back from the interpreters this morning,
to the general public and specifically, of course, to anybody
who was disenfranchised, you know, by the meeting that we
had that we're not able to participate. It will now
be circulated starting tomorrow to the broader community, and we

(01:44:10):
will give everybody a chance to see what was said
and what was done at that meeting. We're following that
next week when we can get you know, the ASL
interpreters again to the ZOOM meeting that will reach out
to the broad community and targeting individuals who use ASL
to be able to contribute, just as people would have

(01:44:32):
done on the twenty ninth the Banker of September at
that time. After that, all of that information will be
compiled and again we'll be put forward publicly so that
there's a documentation of the issues that were brought forward.
It's going to be circulated to government, it will be
on Facebook, it will be to who never wants it,
but we want to follow through with that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
I don't think people realize how difficult it is to
secure an interpreter ASL interpreter. I mean I have business
owners coming to me saying, do I know we're to
go because they've gone through the Association for the death
and maybe have gone through your office, whatever the case
may be, and coming up absolutely short. Can not secure one.

Speaker 16 (01:45:08):
Yeah, it really is a challenge, and simply because we
do not have enough interpreters to cover the need that's
in this province to you know, to always be there,
to always have somebody if you're a person who uses ASL,
you know, to speak, if you're going to a doctor's appointment,
if you're going to a bank, if you're going to
a public meeting, you need to be able to contribute

(01:45:29):
or and to receive the information that's only available if
you have an interpreter there. And in this particular event,
as I said, we went to the virtual option, which
you know we often have to do. I go to
meetings throughout the country just but every day, and they're
usually virtual interpreters today available to those spaces. This is

(01:45:50):
the first time in my ten plus years of planning
these events that we've had somebody or a company drop
the you know, the call at the last minute. But
it does happen occasionally, and it's really unfortunate obviously, But
at that moment, there was nothing else that we could
figure out what to do except to try to make

(01:46:11):
it equitably available to everybody at the end of the day.
So I hope that's what we're doing. But one other
thing that we realized from that particular meeting, and it
was a request made by an individual through the Zoom call,
is that we represent a community some thirty one percent
of the population who want to be able to come

(01:46:32):
together more frequently in a similar way. So at the coalition,
we commit it to creating a zoom event right now.
We're going to start it every other month, so we'll
do it, you know, every second month. That will be
available to people with disabilities who would like to meet together,

(01:46:53):
discuss concerns, talk about opportunities, and to share build community.
So we're going to be starting that, and when we
get more information about that happening, after we take care
of all of the immediate issues, I'm going to bring
that to open line and it will certainly be in
our social media spaces as well to really enable the
community to come together in that way. We really see

(01:47:13):
that need and people identify that they're ready and want
to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
So we want to be able to help that happen
and hopefully it does anything else nice. Before I go
to the news, well, yes, I want.

Speaker 16 (01:47:23):
To speak just to the Leader's debate from last week,
and I want to say, and I've said in another spaces,
disability was dismissed in that particular event. We represent thirty
one percent of the population persons with disabilities do and
in that nineteen minutes there was nothing said about disability.
The word disability was used at a moment without any clarification.

(01:47:47):
It was just said, oh, and for disabilities, and that
was it. I will say that in the official platforms
from each of the parties there was definite recognition off
the need for the Disability Advocate by each party to
do that, even though the details are different in each platform.
But that's not new information. You know. We made that

(01:48:07):
information that we were already guaranteed in the last sitting
of the House when everybody, when all members present unanimously
said that they support the creation of the Disability Advocate.
We are thirty one percent plus of the population and
disabilities and the issues for our population. Was absolutely dismissed
in that in that space, I'll say that, you know,

(01:48:28):
at the Coalition, we've often worked with MJ's of every
color and stripe and even the Independence over recent months
and years, who have certainly had great conversations with us,
and we've we've realized some moments. But with these platforms,
with this overarching party representation are we were totally dismissed
in that space. I think it's really unfortunate. It didn't

(01:48:51):
give me any any confidence in the ability for any
of these parties from a party place to understand the
needs of that demographic, and that's a huge demographic. I
think there's a real myss that that was all in
that debate, honestly, and there were so many places where

(01:49:12):
disability thoughts and issues could have come up, whether we're
talking about housing or education or healthcare. There were so
many issues that were just absolute misses. And I really
hope that the leaders and whoever is successful after today
understands that we are thirty percent of the population. We're
not going anywhere and these issues must.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
Get addressed better understood. Natcy per share your time.

Speaker 17 (01:49:37):
Thank you, Patty, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Bye bye. That's you, read the executive director at the
Coalition of Persons with Disabilities. Let's take break for the news.
Don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:49:46):
The Tim Power Show showing the conversation weekday afternoons at
four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
Come back to the show. Let's go lot before Chris
around the air.

Speaker 17 (01:49:57):
Hey, Patty, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
That's about you?

Speaker 10 (01:50:00):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Good, happy, thanksgiving the same.

Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
To you, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 17 (01:50:05):
So I want to talk about Quebec power markets pretty
regular also, of course everyone should go out and vote.
And I think something that everyone has missed and I'm
just finding it out this morning is that Quebec this year,
for the first time in many, many decades, is an

(01:50:27):
energy importer. And you know, this is i think quite
important to us with our talks around the MoU and
replacement costs and many other things. But you know, normally
Quebec would be selling huge amounts of power to the States,
but just last months they take it over into being

(01:50:47):
that negative and you know, it feels like that might matter.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
To us, how so, and some of that might be
I'm not going to say misleading on purpose ear anything,
but some of that also comes from sources that are
outside Quebec's provincial boundaries, but they also have equity stake in.

Speaker 17 (01:51:07):
Yeah, so they're like they're tracking the flow of power
is very complicated, especially between Ontario and Quebec. They do
have shared resources and Quebec does have resources that are stateside.
You know, so there is of course devil in the details.
But normally Quebec would be you know, say, let's call it,

(01:51:32):
you know, three and a half tarot watt hours of
exports by this point of the year, and that has
totally flipped. And so far this year they've imported three
point one eight seven tarot watt hours.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
It's some of this based on a couple of things,
isn't it some of the drought conditions and levels of
the reservoirs, what have you. And is a temporary net
importer versus a trend to becoming a permanent importer.

Speaker 17 (01:52:06):
Well, I mean most of it does come down to water,
but they have had demand growth as well. Quebec has
a very electrified economy. They're well ahead of AI and
software than a lot of people so, and of course
aluminum and the sort of metal processing. So their demand
has kept going up, and they have had several failed

(01:52:30):
win projects. They were supposed to have about I think
two gigawatts of wind built over the last five years.
That hasn't happened. So the power that they were planning
to put on the grid hasn't showed up. And then
of course the big one, like you said, is the drought.
They you know, everything is dry everywhere, and you know

(01:52:52):
that will correct itself eventually, one assumes if we ever
get back to regular winters. But until it does, they
are likely to be in this very precarious position of
being an importer of power rather than an exporter.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Yeah, I mean you mentioned AI for the left. We
still cannot understand why people don't latch onto the fact
that AI is going to soak up so much power generation.
It is mind boggling.

Speaker 17 (01:53:22):
Yeah, it's pretty bonkers. And you know, we we functionally
don't have that part of the economy here. You know,
we may someday if we had the power to attract them,
but at the moment, we of course don't.

Speaker 13 (01:53:40):
It's not even really demand.

Speaker 17 (01:53:41):
AI is kind of quite mobile like that. If we
had cables in the right places, then that would be. Yeah,
cables and energy would make us a great place to
sell a bunch of AI. But yeah, we're definitely not there.
And Quebec had been there. But if the next few
years or anything like the last few years, their supply

(01:54:04):
of power and interim prices are going to be absolutely skyrocketing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
No doubt about it. I'm going to try to sneak
a few calls on anything else you want to talk
about regarding the MoU and or hydro Quebec import export,
whatever the case would be.

Speaker 17 (01:54:18):
Really appreciate your call with mister Wilson. That was like,
that was one of the most important conversations our provinces
had on it. So I would encourage anyone to listen
to that. And I appreciate your time and mister Wilson's honest.
And of course, whoever you vote for, please to tell
them to look at power market and not just try

(01:54:40):
and state a sense of shame over Quebec because we
are we would pay hundreds of billions of dollars for us.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
Yeah, there's it's just so tangly, it's not even funny.
I appreciate the time, Chris, thanks for doing it YouTube.

Speaker 15 (01:54:55):
Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
I have a good you too. Bye bye. Let just
keep going. Just go to line number five, Marcel, you're
on the air.

Speaker 15 (01:55:00):
Yeah, Hi, Patty, have been the while since I spoke
to you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
Welcome back, Patty. I went to vote this morning.

Speaker 15 (01:55:10):
And went to the former trying to find out where
the polling stations were. And as you're quite aware, I
mean in a democracy, the right to vote as crucial
for our survival having a decent democracy. But I went
to three places before I couldn't find I went online,

(01:55:32):
I googled different places, and myself and my manager was
fifteen twenty. We still couldn't find it. The only reason
I found the right place to vote, I'm on Kingsbridge
Road was I phoned the parties and they told me
where to vote, so I'm sure I'm not the only one.
I did meet one jet when I was walking, because

(01:55:52):
normally we were voting across the street at the Cannon
Anakin Church and in the recent years it was over
on Barrick and I think the Choice for you or
something there, I can't remember the name exactly. I went
to vote all these places assuming that it would be
similar spots, but it wasn't. So I finally got the vote,

(01:56:14):
and then I spoke to the people that's running the
elections up there and they said I was the fourth
person that came in not knowing where to vote. So,
you know, it's good to have elections, which is very important,
but the right to vote doesn't count if you can't
get the right information to vote. So some people will
get frustrated. And I don't know why that the government

(01:56:37):
or the people or the elections, you know, elections doesn't
put out the radio announcement or some way of informing
people where the exact the vote. And I also encountered
someone at the voting poll who was went to the
wrong place because they were told by a vote a

(01:56:57):
guy who was knocking doors for a certain party and
they were told to vote certain place and that didn't
work out and they finally found the right place. So
it's it's disheartening. And when we're trying to get the
votes up, we already got a serious situation where people
don't vote, which is unfortunate. They become very apathetic to

(01:57:19):
voting and that's a sad state of our democracy. I mean,
just recently the city of Saint John's I think they
had thirty percent or something less than thirty percent voting
for the mayor, and in the federal elections were down
and definitely in provincial elections. So I think that making
sure that everybody knows exactly where to vote and that's

(01:57:41):
being announced three or four days prior to voting would
go along ways to getting more people to vote for
the people that really want to vote.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
Yeah, the fact we did get voter cards is frustrating.
So you can go to election and Elections and L's
website putting your addressers they where to vote to have
you can do it that way. You can also called
the office and I'm sure that phone line is extremely
busy today. In addition to that, you can pick a
candidate in your voting district, call their office, their headquarters,
and they'll be able to help you find the proper

(01:58:11):
polling station as well, and hopefully you get honest brokers
on the other end of the phone who'll give you
the accurate information. But first things first, try elections. I
know you just clicked.

Speaker 15 (01:58:20):
Sorry to interrupt you, Patty. That's exactly what I did.

Speaker 11 (01:58:22):
Do.

Speaker 15 (01:58:22):
All the things you're talking about I did in ail election.
I put in even the lady at the polling boot
on her phone put in in elections, and put the
Kingsbridge in and put my address in and did not
come up and tell us where the voting station was.
That's my point. They're not giving us the right information,

(01:58:43):
or there's very little information. The only reason that I've
found out I called the parties. I'd not only called one,
I called number of the three parties to get exactly
which place was exactly to vote. And I finally got
there answer. Of course, but not everybody's going to take
an hour or so at a dir time on election

(01:59:06):
day morning to go and do what I did. They're
going to say the hell with it, I'm not voting.
And that's a sad state of what we where we
are right now, and I think it's very important that
people go and find out today. And I think that
BOCM would do a really good service to announces, not

(01:59:26):
the many districts they find out, just announce on the
radio where the voting polling stations are, because most people
don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:59:35):
I'm sure that if I.

Speaker 15 (01:59:37):
Had that same problem, for other people have that same problem.
That makes five of us, and it's only early in
the morning, so I'm sure there's lots of other people
out there, Patty, that that's that same problem.

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
Unfortunately, So I appreciate the time ourselves. Thank you. One thing,
if I.

Speaker 15 (01:59:52):
May say, I'd like to make a statement on the
Idril deal between Quebec and Newfouland. I would like to
state this first of all, the the Churchill Falls project
tells us something that's a really bad deal. The mussrat
Falls started out as you and I had discussion, I mean,
when it went to six point two, I suggested that
we stop it. If you remember the conversation, that we

(02:00:15):
pause and rethink that and see what we can do
and keep the cost down.

Speaker 4 (02:00:19):
That one ahead.

Speaker 15 (02:00:20):
We're now got an extremely large bill to pay for
and Newfouland and Labrador. As the second eye is debt
in Canada. I think BC beats us. It's unbelievable, so
I think that should go to a plebiscite. We should
have let the people speak. We could not do any
We had two mistakes. If we make one, if the

(02:00:42):
people make a mistake, that'd be third. But I got
to believe the people was given the right to vote
on this deal with Quebec. I believe they would not
go ahead with it as it stands today.

Speaker 2 (02:00:53):
Appreciate the time ourselves, Thanks for doing it.

Speaker 13 (02:00:55):
Thank you, Patty, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (02:00:56):
Bye bye bye by final breaks in the morning, don't
go ahead, welcome back. Let's go to the light and
number sixt morning Frank, but you're on the air.

Speaker 18 (02:01:04):
Good morning, Patty, Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (02:01:06):
Happy to have you on. So are you now officially
out as America Carbonair?

Speaker 16 (02:01:09):
No?

Speaker 18 (02:01:10):
I got one more day left after today. Yeah, I'm
going to say tomorrow or now is is very enough.
New council and I just wanted to congradulate all the
people who put their names in for the for the hat,
for the positions on council and congradulates those who works
successful and for those who weren't, just keep trying again.
I just wanted to thank the residents for you know,

(02:01:32):
having the faith of me for the past twelve years
to you know, uh be elected to council and in
the last eight years as mayor. Is certainly is a
privileged and the certainly not all all fun and games,
but you know, it allpens what you put into it.
And I would encourage anyone who would like to run
for any position I get certainly, you know, step up
the plate and do it. It's certainly you know, it's

(02:01:55):
it's it's good to have you know, members of the
council that that that that together and overall we certainly
did you know, a lot of projects were completed, a
lot of projects were started and are ongoing, and I'm
certainly sure that the incoming the council will certainly make
sure that those.

Speaker 3 (02:02:12):
Projects are completed.

Speaker 18 (02:02:13):
But I wanted to make sure that I thank the
residents you know, for for electing me. And I also
want to thank my family, because without your family behind
you certainly makes it a bit more difficult to run
for any position where it takes up so much of
your time.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
Yeah, I mean it's I'm not going to put words
in yourmal houth, but you know, municipal politics and municipal
responsibility is a lot of our day today needs and
brought in for counsel takes a little bit of guts
because on the other end, there could be a lot
of thankless days. I'm not going to characterize your time
and office for you. You can do that for yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:02:45):
That's right.

Speaker 18 (02:02:45):
I understand what you're saying there, Patty. You know, you're
certainly not going to please everyone, but I mean, you
do what you can, and you know, I'm pleased with
what we did over the past twelve years, and it
certainly takes funny from the both provincial and federal government
to make project's work. You know, during the wildfire that
happened there the summer, we had an influx of twenty

(02:03:06):
five percent more residents into our town. But because over
the years we increased our you know and worked on
our infrastructure, you know, for water store, we were certainly
able to handle that influx of people easily and there
was no issues that are you know, underground infrastructure. But
this is the first year that we have received zero

(02:03:28):
funding for capital works projects and that's concerning for me
because next year there won't be any work done, or
this year won't be any work done for capital work,
so we're going to be a year behind. But I'm
sure that the new councils certainly will work that out.
But over twelve years and over twenty five years, if
talking to administration, they have never received anything. It never

(02:03:52):
received a zero amount, but every year was always like
three three and a half four million dollars a year,
So it makes a difference in not receiving these Were there.

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
Any specific projects that went unfunded by the provincial government
or their cost share enforcement, Yes.

Speaker 18 (02:04:07):
Patty, I don't have them in front of me here. No,
but every year we smit about four or five, right,
you know, we have a list of about fifteen, but
we don't smid all those because we know, you know, realistic,
we're not.

Speaker 3 (02:04:16):
Going to get them.

Speaker 18 (02:04:17):
But and I just don't don't. I can't think of
the one now that didn't the ones that didn't get done.
There are downtown revitalization. We're into the third phase of
that there now there are some of the little hiccups
on that there. So I was talking to the incoming
mayor and they said that, you know, he'll certainly make
sure that that project gets completed. And that's a big

(02:04:37):
one for our town because they's not only just for
our residents, but people actually drive in as far as
way as Clarenville to come in to visit our downtown
because they certainly like it, and it's it's good for business,
not just in the in the downtown, but in the
whole of Carabnre fair enough.

Speaker 2 (02:04:52):
I appreciate the time, Frank, congratulations is not a good run,
no problem.

Speaker 18 (02:04:56):
And Patty listen with the mo OU people have beating
that to de I'm not gonna say much on it.

Speaker 3 (02:05:01):
Just said when you get out to vote today, if
you have not ready voted.

Speaker 18 (02:05:03):
Just understand what your position after the candidate is on
that and then vote wisely.

Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
I appreciate this, Frank, thank you, Thank you, Rome, Bye bye,
Frank Bob the outgoing mayor of the town of Carvenir.
So apparently people are really struggling to find a polling station.
You know, talk about the unfortunate addition to what might
indeed be a pretty low voter turnout, the concept of fatigue. Look,

(02:05:28):
I get it. We're just about to put the third
election this year in our rearview mayor. So we all
know the federal election turnout wasn't great. Municipal elections turnout,
the turnout was woeful, I mean absolutely woeful here in
the city of Saint John's and many municipalities right across
the problems. Hopefully that isn't the case with some of
the confusion or the concerns people are sharing with me,
which is a lot this morning about finding your polling station. Basically,

(02:05:51):
the only advice I have is Elections and L's website.
It worked for me, no problem at all. I just
simply typed in my civic address and up popped the
polling station. If you don't have any luck there, you
can indeed phone people tell me that it's been busy
all morning long. I'm not surprised. Last option might indeed
just simply be to call one are the candidate's headquarters
and make them go to work for you. Help them

(02:06:12):
our pardon me, let them help you try to find
the pro of the polling station if you're so inclined,
and if you're going to get out the vote. One
quick reminder coverage throughout the day and at eight pm
this evening, we will indeed have live election result coverage
right here on VOCM and big landfm's all Right, good
show today, Big thanks to all hands. We will indeed
pick up this conversation again tomorrow morning, right here on
VOCM and big Land FM Open Line. I'm happy to

(02:06:34):
producer David Williams. I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself
a safe, fun happy day. We're talking morning.

Speaker 12 (02:06:39):
Bye bye

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