Tuesday Oct 21st

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line call seven oh nine two
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(00:22):
Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Tuesday, October
the twenty first. This is open Line. I'm your host,
Patty Daily, David Williams, He's produced the program. Let's get
it at it, Let's go on. What am I trying
to say? Let's get at it. If you're in the
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seven three five two one. What elsewhere? A total free
long distance one eight eight eight five ninety VOCM, which
is eighty six twenty six. So off to a flying
start here this morning. A little bit tired. Gotta admit
you know where I'm going to start Junior high basketball.
Same Stevens of Bartholomew Versus and Francis of a CC No,
how about those blue Jays man. You know it has

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been since nineteen ninety three, thirty two years ago before,
since the J's went to the World Series and back
they go. Look, even casual baseball fans, I think are
hopping on this this bandwagon, and there's lots of room
for bandwagoners. I think sometimes people whose bandwagon as an insult,
but it's not. It's exciting, it's fun. It's a great
escape from some of the doldrums that we focus in

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on day after day after day after day. But off
we go and leave it to George Springer. It was
a couple of games ago. Look like he sees him
was over, takes a fastball off the right knee, cap
gets the treatment, comes back, and last night they hear
three run blast in the seventh inning to lead the
Jays to a four to three victory. And who gets
the win, Kevin Gosman. It's just amazing stuff. Anyway, they're

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up against against the Los Angeles Dodgers. The Dodger are
super thick, they got a wicked team. Can the Jays win?
Maybe they have home field advantage, but they absolutely have
to make it out of vantage. He can't drop a
game at home to the Dodgers and think you're going
to escape Los Angeles with anything but a runner up
finish in the World Series. But off we go. Absolutely

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brilliant stuff. Anyway you want to talk about it, I
hope you do. A couple more sports notes. Dave Penny
local Dave Penny rugby player played for Canada. Penny's a
good guy and a super athlete and a great rugby player.
His daughter, Jesse Penny, plays rugby at Saint of K's.
She leads the country and tries. She's got fourteen tries
this year, one ahead of the idea PI who plays

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out west somewhere. But Jesse Penny leading the country in
tries is absolutely wonderful stuff. Super player. And I mentioned
last week Blair Bersey was doing pretty well at the
Corn Fairy Q School in the first stage. Got through,
I tied for eight finish at the first stage. Off
to the second stage in early December. This week he's
playing on the Asian Tour Golf qualifying first stage down

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in Morocco. So a way to go, Blair Bercy, all right.
Sort of strange headlines sometimes and unfortunately many people read
the headlines, don't read the story. He consequently lead with
a misconstrued version of what's actually being discussed. This one's
about spending, provincial government spending. You hear me talk about
it all the time. I don't know why more people
don't talk about it. But here we go with the

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incoming government promises about two out and eighty four point
six million dollars in additional spending. Whether that be to
re follow moneys that are already budgeted for a variety
of policies and programs, I don't know. And hopefully we'll
get an opportunity to speak with the Premier designate, mister
Wakem in the very near future while they get sorted
out in the point of cabinet, get sworn in and
all the rest of it. So this story is talking

(03:34):
about a warning from a credit rating agency. Okay, it's
kind of that, but not really. So it wasn't warning
about a dropping credit rating or ability to borrow or
to sell bonds on the market. It was basically about
the morning Star DBRs born it might be difficult for
the government to stop racking up debt. We have the
highest debt per capita in the entire country. We know

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that to be true. If you add in all the
financial liabilities and exposure. It's a dire til. So it
wasn't a warning that we're not going to be able
to borrow, because remember, it wasn't that long ago that
when Dwight Ball was a premier talking about things like
might not be able to make payroll, might not be
able to secure long term borrowing. We're not there yet.
So the warning is about whether or not the government

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can avoid racking up additional debt, which I think is
still a massive concern that didn't get much, if any
attention during the campaign. But sometimes those headlines, Boy, we
really got to read the stories to figure out what
exactly they're talking about. All right, here we go. I'm know,
I'm not so sure. I was more sick of anything
in this world than talking about the COVID vaccine. Now,

(04:38):
when it was made mandatory, it was obviously going to
be a problem and a hangover for many people right
across the country. But it's vaccination season, and if you're
so inclined, because it's not mandatory, if you'd like to
go get your flu shot under your COVID vaccine booster,
do exactly that. Last year's flu season was pretty brutal
here in the province. You know, people ask questions during
the throes of the pandemic, when people were facing certain

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restrictions that people ask, where's the flu go? Well, the
flu came back last year in a hurry, so two thousand,
over two thousand LAP confirmed cases, seven hundred and forty
three hospitalizations, most ever recorded. So it's up to you
if you're interested. Tis the season to get it. The
flu vaccine is a trivalance, so to hopefully stave off

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very difficult circumstances and potential for hospitalization for three different
strains circulating in the country, in the population. Anyway, I'm
talking about vaccines anymore. Anyway, it's vaccination season if you're
going to go get it and go do it all right,
interesting stories out there about public safety, and every politician
of every stripe is talking about it, albeit with a
different bent or angle. You know, the pledges to hire,

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say one thousand additional ARCNP officers, sounds about right. The
hope to hire somewhere in the nable to forty to
fifty new RANC officers sounds about right. People do, indeed,
point to the fact that more police means potential for
greater public safety, even though that's kind of an after
the fact when crimes have been committed. But you know,

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with police on the beat, potential to squash any potential
crimes to be committed. Same thing in the highway. Nothing
slows you down quite like a police cruiser in your
eye lines. The trick will be, just like many other
professions and disciplines that we talk about the need to
hire more, to fill the shortages, to fill the gaps,
is where is everybody? I mean, there's been incentives inside

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the RCNP and the RNC, you know, whether it be
the boost and the amount for bursaries and the potential
to possibly waive any tuition fees associated with going to
Holland College, all good things. Where is everybody who wants
to be a law enforcement officer. It's the same trick
when we talk about healthcare professionals, you know, the Register
Nurses Union. It's probably time we get back in touch

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with Bat Coffee, the president at the rn UNL. There
are big promises made in healthcare. One thing I think
we're missing the boat here. Well, if we're actually doing
something on this front, than bravo. But I haven't heard
any mention of recruiting in the United States. I mean,
you just read the national media. There are healthcare professionals
who are considering, and many have already left the United

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States to make their new home in Canada. Look at
British Columbia. They are actively and aggressively recruiting healthcare professionals,
notably nurses and doctors from the United States, and have
secured hundreds. What are we doing. I mean, we've had
the trips to Jamaica and India and Ireland and Ukraine
and other places in an effort to make said recruitment,

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even though we're not doing a great job with fast
tracking credentials that when we are able to recruit a
healthcare pro we can put it in work, put them
on the floor for northbe here you go now. Not
to say we should throw caution to the wind and
not do due diligence, because of course we have to.
I mean's life and death circumstances here. But we've got
an office in Boston that is focusing on economic partnerships,

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which is obviously a very good thing. But could we
and should we not add an additional mandate to that
office to be looking for healthcare pro Don't take it
from me, Go ahead, and read some of the national
stories regarding different provinces, most notably British Columbia and what
they're doing to try to bring healthcare pros from the
United States. We need them. We all know it to
be true. Access to primary care is a problem here

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in this province for who knows. However, many people use
numbers like one hundred and fifty one hundred and sixty
five thousand people without access to a family doctor. Let's
see how many of the Northeastern United States may indeed
be interested in making a new home in Canada as
a healthcare pro If we're not doing that in Boston,
we're missing an opportunity here. I know the economy and

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economic partnerships and opportunities and synergies is obviously important during
this absolutely unnecessarily chaotic economic times, but healthcare pros, I
think to a man to a woman, when we talked
about what was important during the campaign, whether it be
the Upper Churchill or cost of living, healthcare was at
the top of mind for the vast majority of voters

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in this province and every province across the country. So
I'd like to know what we're doing with that particular
Boston office and an update there would be helpful. In
addition to that, I brought it up last week and
I got a fair bit attraction. And it's the whole
concept of sick notes. If you're a private employer and
you don't trust your employees when they call in sick
and you make them go get a sick note, that's

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between you and your employee. But how many doctor's offices
or clinics or emergency rooms or wherever are clogged up
with people who have been sent in to get a
sick note. If you don't trust your employee, that's your
own private sexual problem. But for the vast majority of
people who need to see a clinician, they don't need
someone with the sniffles or whatever's plaguing them the one

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of them to call in sick sit in front of
them in a clinic. Can we just you know, massage
your relationship inside your own company. Come up with a
better strategy than making someone go get a sick note.
If you think someone's abusing sickle you know it to
be true. If every second Friday, Joe or Jane calls
in sick, then deal with Joe or Jane. If they're

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not reliable employees then deal with them on a personal level,
a professional level in your company, not clogging up the
waiting rooms in one clinic or another to be sent
in for a sick note. What do you think? Let's
talk about it. Oh, just pops in my head. What's
the future of the Premier's office in Central? Some mayor's
municipal leaders in Central think has been quite beneficial, and

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others will say, hey, just because of geography and traveling
distance between Gander Grand Falls, what have you to Saint
John's to the Confederation Building with access to the premier
or other cabinet ministers or the government proper. What is
the future of the Premier's office in Central And if
you're living in that region, let's talk about it all right.
Let's get back an education here for a second. So

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I don't know why more people don't want to talk
about it live on the air, whether it be the
absence of supports for individual students and what that means
for day to day operations in the classroom. But I
do fairly often hear from teachers after hours when they
talk about one important issue on top of violence, which
is obviously a big problem, is they talk about just

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how often they have to repeat themselves because so many
students are absent and chronically so. Look, a student is
weird of going to school because of bullying or violence,
or whatever the case may be. There's reasons why some
kids don't want to go to school, transportation, troubles at home,
whatever it is. But the chronic absenteeism number is absolutely

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out of control. I mean, I'll just reiterate this. One's
just so we can drive the point home. Somewhere in
the neighborhood, ten percent of the student population is chronically absent.
The big down the road pitcher there is if you
are chronically absent in grade six, seventy five percent of
those children do not graduate from high school. So to

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somehow figure this out, which requires not only the Department
of Education, but probably Justice, Child Youth, Family Services, whatever
the case we be a variety of different departments, really
do need to sit in the same room and come
up with some sort of approach to this. You know,
it's also going to pretty probably important for administrators and
teachers to really have a firm understanding as to why

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one child is absent. Now, I know their plates are
absolutely overflowing with all their day to day responsibilities already.
But if teachers have to go back down the path
of supplying curriculum and worksheets and what have you to
families who their children are at home and chronically, so
then we're just adding workload and we're not really taking
steps forward. We're just sort of side shuffling. So anyway

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you want to talk about education, we can do it
all right. How are we doing now there? This morning day,
I'm exhausted, so I really need some help here today?
What's this scribble? Oh? And then you talk about preparation
for the future. There was a call yesterday. I'm not
going to mention watch one specifically, but it brought upon
a bunch of emails and response talking about the need

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for people to get into or back into the workforce.
For an update regarding the employment Stabilization program which as
a pilot in this province last year, but it was
only in Saint John's. There was about one hundred and
seventy people signed up participating in the pilot and nine
months later, fort of them were no longer in need
of income support. Why because there's some very simple approaches.

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So what the province did, So if you're going to
begin a new job, continue working, the government will give
you a payment of two hundred and fifty bucks after
six months, five hundred a year after and one thousand
dollars after two years. We're talking about small amounts of money,
and it seemed to be working. The pilot was successful
enough in Saint John's that they were going to expand
the province wide, but no update since so are we

(13:38):
actually on the path for this to become some measure
of success. In addition to that, there was new earnings
exemption formula. People are going to be able to keep
more of their earnings, which obviously continues to make sense
given the cost of living issues we're dealing with. Then
there were simple things a job start allowance, so you
need steel toe boots, or you need a new payer
of dungarees or whatever it is. Job start anouncement from

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one hundred and twenty five dollars or two hundred and
fifty bucks. The total pot of money was minuscule when
compared to even the amount of taxes that those people
will pay because they've got back into or for the
first time ever, entered into the job force. So let's
take it on a couple of things here Temporary Foreign

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Worker program. Look, youth unemployment numbers in the country are
a huge problem, huge problem the use of Temporary Foreign
worker program. Number one is employers who have abused There's
a Canadian entire franchisee who has been indeed punished for
abusing and falsified labor market impact assessments in an effort

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to get approved for temporary foreign workers. Many people point
the finger directly at the TFW program about youth unemployment,
but if you look around at some of the other
issues that may be absolutely contribute to it. Number one, Look,
if you talk about it in the fast food industry,
people who I speak with who are owners of these franchises,
they say they use the program because they want to

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hire people to work full time. Not that locals will
not take the job, but for many it would be
potentially a seasonal job, a summer job, and owners want
to hire someone full time. But the biggest contributor that
I can find regarding youth unemployment here is international student FEESUS.
When you're given one, you have an open three year
opportunity to work. Now, there was issues regarding the number

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of hours international students were allowed to work throughout the
pandemic and what not, But abolishing the temporary foreign worker
program just doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.
Should employers do everything in their power to ensure that
people locally are given the first and best opportunity to
be hired. Absolutely, But we've got a problem here that's

(15:47):
starting to grow and grow and grow, is that we're
blaming the temporary foreign worker as opposed to government policy.
Nobody came to the country to purposefully steal your job.
But if the policies are not being abided by by
employers and expect minded way too quickly by the federal government,
let's point the issue at these people as opposed to
the newcomer, the temporary foreign worker. And the last one

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I'm going to get to before we get to you is, Look,
there's nothing probably as tedious as the culture wars, and
it's grotesque in the United States, and it's getting worse here.
So DEI, we're going to hear a lot more about
it in the very near future. It's already plenty of

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rumblings here in the country, and it's the pendulum swing.
So you'll hear from whether it be mister Polio or
other is about abolishing DEI diversity, equity and inclusion. The
conversation has become so incredibly skewed. So at one stage
when we talk about a return to what people call meritocracy,

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hiring by merit the assertions in the argument are kind
of thin gruel in the world of pendulum swings at
one moment, at one point in history, apparently the only
people that had the mayrit to be hired were white guys.
And now it's changed. Now can the pendulum swing too

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far like things regarding say a Fubler faction and or DEI. Absolutely,
it's a nature of the beast in the world of
the pendulum swinging round. But abolishing it it just means like,
for instance, when I hear thought leaders say that they'll
worry if the engineer or the doctor or the pilot
is a minority, then they question whether or not they

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had the actual merit, the training, the experience, the credentials
to be hired. That's not really what that any DEI
program actually means. But you know, should people only get hired?
I'm married, absolutely, But to pretend that thirty years ago
meyrit was the only thing that gauged and guided hiring
is absolutely false as well, so we're going to hear

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a lot about it. But while there's so many any
issues of real dire consequence to be discussing, let's do
all of ourselves a favor collectively. Regardless of we we
lean on the political spectrum, culture wars occupy a lot
of our time, a lot of our brain space, a
lot of our energy, and in the big scheme of

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things are probably not as important as some people make
them out to be. Should people get hard because they
have the hard work, the drive, the energy, the training,
the education to get the job. Of course, of course
they should. But to bleed that back into just starting
point of a culture war, just step back and think
about it. You can be yelling at me and yelling

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at your radio right now, but when we go to
the break, just think about how much time so many
people spend on this and what it really means the
big scheme of things. Amazing. I'll get absolutely battered from
Sendistern on that one, but hey, so be it. We're
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addresses open LINEOFOSM dot com. When we come back, let's
have a great show that could only happen. If you're

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in the queuet the topic up to you don't go ahead,
welcome back to the Show's we going this morning online?
Number one. So you went to the chair at the
Coalition of Persons with Disabilities that said Lensky and go morning,
said you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Good morning, mister Bailey, and happy post election.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Thank you very much the same to you.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
You're preamble today. I would love to speak about a
lot of the stuff that you spoke to, but I
have to stay focused on.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Where we are today.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
At first, I'd like to congratulate the new government and
to wish them well in this shall we say, very
complicated new world that we live in. And I would
like to remind them that they made certain statements during
the election that we would like to speak to right now.

(19:48):
Mister wakem got on the I was going to say
the radio, but I would say more out in the
public and said he was going to put four hundred
thousand dollars to London the Disability Advocate's office. And that's
a very good sign. It means that they're willing to

(20:09):
go ahead with this. And they also had said that
you know, they want to get this done as soon
as possible, which we applot them one hundred percent. However,
we have to give caution. Getting it done quickly as
opposed to getting it done right is a very important statement.

(20:30):
You know, a lot of the stuff that's going to
need to be done to establish this office is going
to have to be done with communication with the community
and get their involvement. We're in past, we have been told,
you know, this is what we're going to do and
with no involvement in what we had to say. That
also that the office itself should be an independent office

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without ministerial oversight. In other words, that the office itself
will be an independent body to investigate and to get
things done in the community. So that's that's one thing.
The other thing that they that they spoke about was
the fact of having a core funding system for all

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the community based organizations. And we've seen a lot of
them go by the wayside in the last couple of
years because there's no real funding model and then never
has been one to keep these organizations going. So we're
hoping that this new daytime, so to speak, into the
world of disability will actually happen. So those are the

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basic things that we want to remind the government about
and in many issues you just spoke about DEEI. Now
DEI has got so many negative and positive things around it,
but I just have to say that the core of
it is allowing people from all sorts of walks of life, organizations,

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cultural backgrounds, and physical ability to be able to apply
to work or have some form of giving benefits society
without having to.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
Worry about either.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
What do they call it, barriers in the workplace, barriers
in the environment that we live. So these are the
things that we're hoping that this new government will bring
in and we'll establish and we'll see a new decon
in the community.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
The concept of the on its face similar to a
firmative action. It makes sense. It's a generational adjustment to
how employers and individuals view opportunities in the work force.
Can it indeed swing too far? Yes, Like everything the
pendulum is built that way. That's what happens, you know.

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Any careful consideration of how it works, how it has worked,
the benefits that we have seen versus just an immediate
downside and it's some sort of punishment to home grown
white Canadians is just kind of missing a big part
of the conversation here, so you know, it's gone all
the way to you know, if I hear one more
person say that there's going to be If I walk

(23:29):
onto an aircraft and the pilot is black, then I
think he got hired because of his skin color. Look,
people don't give out certificates and pilot's license or doctorates
for medical professionals or engineers based on that. You know,
the hiring, the hiring and the competition. We can and
should be talking about that, but it's just it's just

(23:50):
like the immigration conversation period. If the first thing that
comes to anybody's mind is you dare question your branded
a racist, Let's just not do that. Let's have the conversations.
We don't need to label anybody before we actually discuss
what's happening in the country, what's happening in hiring, what's
happening in the disabled community. Before we just go down
these roads of immediately branding people. It just derails every

(24:11):
meaningful conversation that gets left behind because we're just quick
to spout off and to brand somebody or to label somebody,
and consequently we get nowhere. All we do is fight.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yes, yeah, we got to use our We got to
use our mind as opposed to our eyes. And you know,
we live in a world that's extremely xenophobic these days,
and in our area of disability world, we see a
lot of it. We see it every day. But we

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do see a change and it's a positive change and
I'm very happy to state that. You know, we see
it in the way that Newfoundlanders are considered a very
wonderful place to go to because it's a safe place.
We see all people as people. I mean, on the most,
I mean, we do have our exceptions in the community

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and I don't even want to go there. But however,
if you go out into the community, we are a
very welcoming community. So you know, good for New for Land. However,
you're right, you know, you get this sourness that comes
out of this because of what we see outside the
province and it sort of like pushes it in. So

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in our world of disability, we tend to say, look,
you know, we're here, we're loud, we're proud, and you know,
we're not going to go anywhere soon, and we're growing community. Unfortunately,
but that's the that's the way it goes. You know,
it's a difficult subject and there's a lot of emotion

(25:48):
around it on both sides. However, we do see a
change in the environment and that's a wonderful thing.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Absolutely, and I didn't need to derail the conversation about
mister Wakem's pledges regarding a disability as advocate and first
year of funding at four hundred thousand dollars. Quick question
on that's it is, how do you think that office
would represent the disabled community? The disability community part of
me the best. Would it be like the Senior's Advocate,
where it's just take the big high line subjects and

(26:19):
represent as an advocate for you know, whether it impacts
one person or a thousand people, or do we champion
people individually and take their name their face to the
public discourse. Because sometimes I think when we just generally
advocate on behalf of a full swath of people, it
maybe is not as effective of saying this person with

(26:40):
this circumstance, these these life issues that they're trying to face.
When we painted like that, sometimes it comes across with
more impact your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Okay, So two things here. Number one, the coalition has
been doing this for years, systemic visual advocacy right now
we're trying to get the government to establish a disability
advocate as a formal thing, a person that's able to
do investigation, that's not handcuffed by a minister, that reports

(27:13):
directly to the legislature and works with two sides. I mean,
there's the systemic issues that are large and it's just encompassing,
and there's also a multitude of individual accuracy that needs
to be done. How the office would run once it's

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staffed and they can start with the issues coming in,
They're going to be looking at both sides of the coin.
So it's going to need someone that understands both the
systemic as well as the individual accuracy issues. And it's
a real Pandora's box, I have to tell you, because

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one doesn't always exclude the other. What may be a
personal adgacy issue may be also a systemic issue, and
we need the right person in the job to understand
these things.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
I hope that I'd understand that.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
I answers your question.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I think so, and it's a really complicated one. So
I wasn't expecting expecting a thirty second succinct, definitive answer
to it, because I think it's just part of the discussion,
because if we're going to take the time and spend
the money and appropriately so to have or to establish
a disability advocate in their office, we've got to make
sure it's done right. That's all. That's all the only

(28:35):
reason I'm asking those kind of questions, just to keep
the conversation going, because doing it for the sake of
is one thing. Doing it thoughtfully with a measurable positive
outcome that we can check boxes off, that's the most
important thing to me. Regardless if we're talking about this
new new to be created advocate or otherwise.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, well done. The most important part is it's done
with the community and not.

Speaker 7 (28:58):
For the community.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
And I hate to.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Use that expert without us, nothing about us without us,
but it's very apropos.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
In this case.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Agreed to say anything else this morning.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Actually two things. Number one is in the future we're
hoping to establish every couple of months a town hall
meeting to listen to our community and see what we
can bring forward to help them out. The other thing
is I just want to put it out there that

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December third is the International Day of the Persons with Disability,
and then we will be making an announcement on that
day as well. And you know, I just want to
congratulate the government that's a new government and hope that
they they grabbed the tiger by the tail and do

(29:58):
some good work.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Absolutely, Sid good to have you on the show. Appreciate
your time.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
Thanks Rush, Patty, have a great day you too.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Bye bye. Suber Lanski's the chair at COTT and now
it's the Coalition of Persons with Disabilities. Let's take a break.
Well we come back. Kyle's in the queue. He wants
to talk about I guess what I mentioned off the
top about the time and energy we spend on the
so called culture wars. And then we're speaking with you.
Don't go away, welcome back before we get to you.
Call it quick traffic announcement, Air online, one ray around

(30:26):
the air.

Speaker 7 (30:28):
Yeah, hello, Patty, I just came west.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Hell, yes, sir, go ahead, yep.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
I just came west around the trans Canada from Ford.

Speaker 8 (30:38):
All the way going east on the Trans Canada right
up to the.

Speaker 7 (30:42):
Trans Canada high Way is backed up because of construction
thereby four. That's fun to let people know that it's frustrating.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, look, chemrat road. At the best of times, it
is frustrating, especially during the busy traffic peaks of the day.
So beware, folks, if you have to make your way
from wherever, if you're going to Mount Carson Avenue, where
you're wherever you're going, maybe tops the road is better
than come out roads for him.

Speaker 7 (31:04):
That's it exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Thanks, appreciate the time, right, thanks for doing it. Okay, goodbye? Yeah,
I mean and leave here at lunchtime, or if you're
leaving the business or a shop here at four o'clock
four thirty and trying to turn left, it's not happening.
It's good lighte number three. Kyle, you're on the air.

Speaker 7 (31:24):
Hey, Patty, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Okay, how you doing?

Speaker 7 (31:27):
I'm good, Thanks for thanks for having me. I just
want to come out and I feel like this this
topic needs a disclaimer, if you will.

Speaker 9 (31:38):
I am.

Speaker 7 (31:39):
I'm not particularly educated in this topic. I haven't worked
in this topic. I work in the trades, and I'm
a soul provider for a young family. We have. Our
family personally has helped a couple of dozen Ukrainian families
in the past couple years when they come in, you know,

(32:03):
with things from Christmas presents, the furniture and that kind
of thing. And you know, as as you mentioned before,
this sort of talk about culture wars, and you know,
I guess the term itself sort of struck a chord
with me. And I know, from my perspective or from

(32:29):
where I'm standing, like some of my views may not
necessarily seem liberally. They may seem pretty conservative, and I
hope they don't seem bigots. However, you know, given the
sensitivity of the issue, like I'm sure they could come
across that way, but I just wanted to I just

(32:51):
want to throw out the idea that a lot of
what local people see as in fair or unjust could
come across as an issue with culture. But on the
financial side of what's happening here is I think people

(33:13):
are are a lot more frustrated with the government and
how it's handling and how it's treating these, say newcomers
versus its own citizens, Like when when a family comes
in and again this is my understanding, you know, they're

(33:36):
set up with financial aid and rightly so, I do
believe this should be and this is not against that. However,
you know, is there is there any limit to that?
Like there most recently heard as as much as you know,
say six seven, eight nine thousand dollars a month in

(34:01):
subsidies for families and and all rights. It costs almost
that much, you know, to to live comfortably here. But
that's on top of wages that they may make, and
granted those may be low. You know, they may have
to take entry level positions because credentials are not necessarily transferable.

(34:26):
You know, somebody may have to work in fast food industry,
or service industry, or an industry that doesn't generally provide
enough income to support a family. Bus you know, the
from what I have seen or my understanding is that
the amount of money that these families are are taking

(34:50):
in surely surpasses what the majority of local people are making.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Let's take into it. It's a reasonable conversation, and I
like your approach here this morning. So, I mean, I
see some of these numbers floating around eight nine, ten thousand.
I really don't know where people get that number. To
be honest with you, it's the same thing when we
talk about the temporary foreign worker program, the suppression of wages.
There's no federal subsidy for temporary foreign workers. Let's just

(35:18):
put that out there. It's not a thing. There are
a bunch of different support programs out there provincially and federally,
but no federal program distinct is distinctly for a wage
substity for a temporary foreign worker. And then when it
comes to immigrants newcomers, it depends. Like when the Ukrainians
were given fast track opportunities to come to Canada, it

(35:38):
was without a lot of the supports that other refugees
and asylum seekers and skilled trades newcomers come. So it
kind of depends on who we are wire here, where
you came from. As the amount of money that flows
from the federal government refugees, like when you arrive. For
some there's a one time allowance and it's monthly and

(35:59):
it maxes out after year. And somebody's just directly because
of the child tax benefit. So that's something that all
Canadians get. So some of the money that we're talking
about newcomers get is what everybody gets in a child
tax benefit. You know, there's provincial assistance numbers which can
be as much as fifteen hundred dollars, but it's one
time and everything maxes out after the course of a year.
It depends on the size of your family. You know,

(36:20):
look for instance, the refugee program, because I think that's
what gets a lot of attention. Let's just pick Ontario
and this province. A single person gets around six hundred
and thirty five dollars a month, but that maxes out,
so and the changes if and when you have a family,
So that's where we get some of those numbers adding
up to you know, maybe five thousand dollars. But there's
a cap, and there's a timeline, and some of that

(36:41):
money is not just for newcomers, it's for Canadians. You know.
The child tax benefit is the number one contributor and
it does max out. So I think you're making a
really important point as to for all of us to
understand that immigration comes in many forms. Refugee asylum seekers,
international students, people on the pathway to promer residency, people
who have been targeted as skilled trades or healthcare professionals.

(37:03):
So it's all a little bit different, which buddies the waters,
and not everybody has time to dig in and know
what every single pot of money looks like for every
single new come to the country. But it's an important
conversation because I think the first point made was people
get frustrated with the government. You're right, but what they
do is they sometimes and some people they'll take it
out on the newcomer, not the government, which I think

(37:25):
is what is happening more and more your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (37:29):
Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely rich there, and thank you, Patty.
Like you know, a part of this phone call is
definitely to educate myself and hopefully others and clear up
some frustration there. Like yes, as a young family, we
do like we received child tax benefits, you know, and

(37:49):
some there are some subsidies there, and I guess, like
you know, really, I just I just want to throw
that idea is that you know, to you know, even
myself and to other people, like when you know, looking
at a group or something, if there's frustration, like you know,
take it back a step, because a lot of times,

(38:13):
at least in in what I've seen is is it
is misdirected frustration because you know, like we, uh we live, say,
for example, we live close to the Sekh Society and
so every Sunday to the streets are sort of blocked
up a bit there in Louis Bay, Like you know,
there's a lot of traffic around and and uh, you know,

(38:36):
in the conversation with a neighbor of mine was brought
up like, well, I can't believe they're taking over the
streets and that kind of thing, And I just sort
of thought, like, well, we did the same thing at church, right,
I mean, they're just going to service the same as
anyone else. But that that frustration, I don't I don't
think in a lot of cases comes from a bad place.
It just comes from misdirection because you know, there's there's

(39:00):
there's no real understanding given to the citizens as to
what benefits are for those people. So when they see
a newer family driving in a you know, a luxury sedan,
then their assumption in a lot of cases I think
is you know, well, you know, I'm driving a twenty

(39:22):
two hundred civic that's falling the parts and working my
tail off. Plus you know, somebody who just comes in
is able to afford this more comfortable lifestyle, and why
is that? And and you know, like I don't necessarily
believe that a lot of the frustration with newcomers is

(39:43):
from a place of that intent. Again, like I said,
I just think it's misdirected as frustration with the government
or with the situation we're in with inflation after COVID.
I mean, you know, we're in a pretty weird place
right now, and it's easy, it's easy to put the
blame elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, look, I think you're right. You know, from a
broad perspective, the population of newcomers to Canada just grew
too quickly. We weren't prepared. Even newcomers will tell you that,
whether it be access to primary care or housing, we
really did, you know, create a problem unnecessarily so. And

(40:23):
the newcomer who looks like a newcomer and is driving
a beamer might be an anesthesiologist from Toronto, right, But
we don't do that careful calculation about who might be
who and where they might be from, or how long
they've been here or what they do for a living,
because we just, you know, it's a bit of human
nature bleeds in here, judging book bi covers and everybody

(40:46):
is all of a sudden, you know, if you're if
you look or you sound like you're new to the country,
then somehow you've been coddled. When you know, we don't
even take the time to understand where someone might be
coming from and why they've chose to come to this country,
and I will at the caveat the population grew too quick.
Had that not been the case, we'd probably have a
very different sounding conversation about immigration to the country and

(41:08):
immigration to this province. You know, the temporary forid worker
program for me is fascinating and not the right kind.
I mean, the program started under guests who Pierre Elliot
Trudeau right nineteen seventy three. At that time we're talking
about Philly shortages, primarily in nursing and agriculture. It was
expanded when two thousand and six and it was the
Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and that was about low wage

(41:31):
jobs and there were no caps. In twenty twenty five,
there was a reduction. About one hundred and twenty five
thousand fewer temporary foreign workers were admitted to the country
in January to June of twenty five compared to January,
June and twenty four. So we've capped international student numbers.
There's been a new cap and a reduction in temporary
foreign workers. There is a slowing of immigration in the

(41:52):
broad scheme of things through all four silos. So I'm
glad we're having a real conversation as opposed to we're
going to argue about feelings versus facts. We're just going
to get all emotional and aggressive, anterioroid or obstinate, because
those conversations are holding us all back. They just are.
And whatever people's opinions are fair enough, and you can tell,

(42:16):
you can tell what someone that's just being a straight
up bigot versus legitimate questions safety and security and vetting
and numbers and housing and healthcare and who's from where
and why they're here. So I'm glad you're doing the Kyle,
and I'm really appreciated and enjoy the conversation. I'll give
you the floor to wrap it up.

Speaker 7 (42:33):
Oh, I appreciate that too, Patty, Like I said, and
even nervous talking about it, because you know, there's definitely
a sensitive issue for us. Something I sort of tell
myself to remind myself, and I'll throw it out there
to others as well. It's just if I'm prostrated with
something and you know, strikes anger or something to me,

(42:55):
or I have thoughts that are maybe unreasonable, I try
to take it back to what's the actual issue here,
and it's it's not a young family looking for a
better place to live. It's at the root cause it's inflation,
it's you know, it's a lack of you know, criminal
justice system that we have here. It's the fishery, it's

(43:18):
it's it's it's a dozen or two dozen other things.
But you know, I try to not take the easy route.
You know, it's it's about more than it's about more
than a young family trying to come in and have
a better life for himself. So I last for myself
and for other people like.

Speaker 10 (43:40):
Try it.

Speaker 7 (43:41):
Try to not judge the book by its cover. Read
a couple of pages in and if not, then take
a step back and look at what it is you're
actually frustrated.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Hopefully people don't feel nervous to talk about whatever's on
their mind on this program. That's my overall goal. I'm
not in the business of immediate label and branding and rejection.
Hopefully we can have conversations like you and I just had, Kyle. Now,
when you hear it, you can we can all carefully distinguished.
Like what they say about child porn, you know when
you see it all right, same thing when it comes

(44:12):
to racism and Bigotry's when it's the starting point. We
all hear it. We all understand it. There's no masking it,
but real conversations like we're just having. What we're having
right now is I think a much better play. And
I don't care if you're left or right or right
down the middle of the political spectrum. It's a lost
art and we've got to find a way to get
it back into public discourse. Kyle, really appreciate you making

(44:33):
time for the show this morning. Thanks for doing it.
Thanks baby, all the best paths. Stay in touch. All right,
that was good. Let's take a break, don't away. Welcome
back to the show. Let's go one number two, Darrel
around the air.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Well, Hi, Patty, how are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Best kind you all good?

Speaker 10 (44:50):
Thank you very much, Chef Patty one combat today.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
I guess I'll.

Speaker 10 (44:54):
Throw this out for Tony Wakem's consideration and you're listening
audience as well. I said, I've been doing but thinking,
and I'm hoping maybe that mister Wakem will consult with
people that were against m ou, like say like the
Danny Williams, Jack Harris, Chess Crosby, David Verdi and one

(45:16):
gentleman was on your showl. He really cut my attention.
He was a doctor engineering there and he was talking
about how if you increased the Killer Watch turbines and
what would have be done and the costs what would
be on our part of it. I can't remember his name,
but it was really interesting to listen to you. You're
talking to him about a couple of weeks ago. I
think it was something like that enough. Yeah, and I

(45:39):
think that'd be people like that, because people talk to whatever.
I can't remember his name, but well, I found him
really really interesting and I think not only that, in addition,
maybe mister wakem should have town hall meetings go across
the province and educate people on what's really happening behind
the scenes. But I will recommend for him to talk

(46:01):
to all these players. Now maybe he's already done it
or he's going to do it, but that would that
would be my take on it, and get a better
prospect on things and where to go for the future.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Yeah, I mean, and who would hold town hall would
be my question. It's a good idea. I mean, going
to where people are and speaking to them and answering
their questions about something as monumental as this potential deal
is important. But who do you think should hold the
town hall? Should it be politicians or should it be who.

Speaker 10 (46:36):
I think in this case, I think the politicians, like
say Tony Wakem now they're elected. They just got elected
a majority government, so I think their team should hold
the town hall meetings personally, and or all political candidates
that just got re elected wei you know, Liberal.

Speaker 6 (46:58):
PC or DP.

Speaker 10 (47:00):
I think it could be due a combination of things,
because at the end of the day, we all got
to work together on this, because I mean, this is
a valuable resource. And when you look at it, that
upper chcial is a gym, and I look at don't
sell at the shop when you got a gym. So
in other words, why I'm saying is we got to
get this right before we make any deal.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Of course, yeah, no doubt about it.

Speaker 11 (47:26):
Right.

Speaker 10 (47:26):
And when you look at it in another way, there's
lots of ways looking at it. We've come what fifty
six years since the nineteen sixty nine agreement. It's only
in our fifteen more years that we'll own the Churchill
Falls one. So it's last ways looking at we come
this far, we also go another fifteen then we own
the asset totally. One. But in the same token, if

(47:49):
you worked out a fantastic deal. That's the way to
go as well.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, I mean the best deal possible is what we
all hope for, obviously, and so the whole concept of
what Quebec says they did great, and we say your
premium Ferory or Jennifer Williams rather say we did great. Look,
if there's not a mutually beneficial outcome, there will be
no deal. I mean, anyone who's ever sat down to
negotiate anything knows that if you're going in with zero

(48:17):
zero some thoughts and there's got to be a winner
and a distinct loser, then generally speaking, deals don't get done.
So did we do as best possible? I don't know.
I really don't. I hope, I hope so, and I
do welcome this independent review, and I really need to
know a little bit more about exactly what we're being,
what we're asking of others. People tell me I'm over
complicating it. No, it's a half a trillion dollars worth

(48:38):
of stuff. It's a complicated issue which requires real distinct
terms of reference so that we get the review that
we're inevitably going to pay for. Darryl final thoughts to
you before I go to the news.

Speaker 10 (48:48):
Oh well, they should probably look at the Lant report
and not only that. More, why red flakes went up
was when the gentleman Michael Wilson resigned from the committee
because of all this as well, So maybe he wants
to talk to him as well. So when you get
people resigning as well, the red flag has gotta go up.
But I'll sign off as Patty. We got a gym.

(49:12):
Do not sell out the shop when you got.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
A gym, fair ball, Appreciate the time, Jeryl, thanks a lot.

Speaker 10 (49:17):
All right, thank you for your time and all the
best to you. And you're listening Addiens from New.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Flann Labrador, you too, man, stay in touch.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
All right, thanks Patty, Bye bye all just.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Get a break for the news. Don't go ahead, welcome
back to the program. Let us go line number one.
Good morning, Donna. You're on the air, Hi, Patty, how
are you okay? How about you?

Speaker 11 (49:42):
Good?

Speaker 12 (49:43):
The reason why I'm calling is because what Kyle had
said earlier, and I'm inclined to agree with them. I'm
a school bus driver, so the majority of my kids
are New Canadians, and these kids and their families have
come from really really hard backgrounds. They didn't voluntarily say

(50:09):
I'm just going to hop on the bus and come
to Canada. They had no other choice, you know, because
of like safety, their lives, the lives of their children.
And with regards to the cost, I actually checked on
it because I just wanted to know how much people

(50:31):
were getting when they came into the country, because, like
Kyle said, you hear people talking and it's like they
think this money is endless, and that's not the truth.
The truth of the matter is they have an itemized
list of things that you know, as a New Canadian

(50:51):
they're entitled to have, and that would be Linen's, some clothing, groceries,
a roof over their head, utility builds, like costs for prescriptions,
things of that nature, just like any other Canadians. So
it's not like they're getting something special.

Speaker 11 (51:10):
Now.

Speaker 12 (51:10):
I do notice that some Canadians New Canadians are driving
like BMW's and Mercedes and stuff, But you got to
kind of consider where they come from. I got friends
of mine who live in Germany and they talk about
their BMW's, But I mean a BMW to them could
be like a Honda Civic for us. You know, it's

(51:32):
just a car. They don't look at it. I don't
think as wealth and prestige and stuff. It's just that's
what they're used to and that's what they get. I
drive a Dodge Dart, you know, fair enough?

Speaker 2 (51:46):
I mean, and plus who knows who that person is?
I mean, for satters, they might have just been here
a month, but they might be a cardiac surgeon, right,
they might be their friends car, they might be from Toronto.
I mean, We're just we've got a real lumped in
everyone inside or under the exact same umbrella, in the

(52:06):
exact same envelope, the exact same life circumstance, when the
world is more complicated than that. So I'm kind of
loath to immediately pre judge whoever for whatever. Maybe I
used to be that way, but I find it to
be exhausting because very often those types of conversations are
steeped in anger and resentment and frustration, which is really

(52:29):
tiring stuff. Look, can people ask questions about the safety
and security and the vetting of newcomers? One hundred percent?
Should we be able to acknowledge that the population grew
too quick we were prepared one hundred percent, because it's true.
But the rest of it, I think there's a bit
more nuance as opposed to just the blanket assertions it is.

Speaker 12 (52:50):
And another thing to consider too is we're the highest
tax province in Canada, or at least one of them,
and there are more New Canadians where working in Newfoundland.
That means we do have more taxpayers. People don't think
about that. It's like if, yes, our population exploded and

(53:10):
we weren't prepared for it. But we're getting there, you know.
So now we're going to we're going to have more
Canadians or New Canadians living in new Land becoming Canadian citizens.
We're going to have more people working in Newfoundland, which
is going to be beneficial to all Newfoundlanders and Labradorians
because we have more people here. They need to, like

(53:35):
New Canadians need to expand because I, like I don't
I live outside of Saint John's and there's nobody down here. Yeah,
and there's houses being built, you know, we need more
people down here too.

Speaker 13 (53:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Well, I mean again, and this is not a political statement,
let's just do some math. We just heard from Status
Canada that the first time in the country's history, we
have a province where the the number of people sixty
five years in the age and all is now twenty
five plus percent. And that's not a bad thing, that's
just a real thing. The birth rate is way behind

(54:08):
the death rate. So at some point we just have
to be realistic here. Who's going to do the work,
who's going to take the jobs, Who's going to expand
the tax space. The numbers are important about whether it
be as refugees or from Ukraine or from Syria, or
international students or permanent residence. The numbers are important, but

(54:29):
the math is also crystal clear. To support the problems
and take the jobs, whether be skilled trades or otherwise,
or working in healthcare or whatever. We're going to have
a pragmatic approach to immigration, and yes, the numbers are important,
just pretending that we can open the doors. And another thing,
it's not up to the pro Immigration is strictly inso

(54:50):
far as numbers go, is strictly federal government's responsibility and authority.
You know, we can have politicians here say we want
more this, we want more international students, want more people
on pathway, department residency, but that's provincial. Please, the numbers
are ultimately up to the Feds.

Speaker 12 (55:06):
That's right, that's right. And I mean, like you said,
Pierre Trudeau did it, justin Trudeau did it. It's a trend.

Speaker 14 (55:14):
You know.

Speaker 12 (55:14):
I don't know if nephetism would trying to one up
each other, but you know whatever, I just I feel
for the families. I really do, because a lot of
people they just look at them as new Canadians. But
I know they're here for a reason. They're not here
just because they want to be here. They picked the
place obviously, but you know they're here because they needed

(55:37):
to save their lives and the lives of their children,
you know. And you know, if people were a little
more empathetic, it would it would have a better outcome.

Speaker 6 (55:48):
I think, yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
And I mean one of the bigger problems in this
problems for regarding newcomers is when there are available supports,
the real trick is whether or not they stay. I mean,
that's long when the major concern here is, you know,
if they see a bigger community representative of where they're
from and or their culture, and then they leave. So

(56:10):
you know, we put in the effort. We try to
create a welcoming environment. We try to give them the
supports they need to go to work and to learn
the language. But if they leave, then that's as big
a problem ass if and when they come. Just from
my personal.

Speaker 12 (56:22):
Perspective, and I've seen that too. I had a family
of nine children, mom and dad. They were here from
Afghanistan last year and they just they were gone. And
I asked one of their friends, I said, where do
they go? And they said, oh, they moved to Toronto. Yeah,
And I'm like, oh, that was disheartening, because i mean,

(56:47):
these people are amazing, you know, And I'm like, that
was really sad to see like eleven people packing up
and just moving to Toronto. You know.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Again, not every newcomer to Canadian are to Canada is
a good person. Not every domestically homegrown Canadian is a
good person. So I can when the generalizations outweigh the
nuance just I don't know what we're doing anymore. So again,
not everyone's great regardless of where you're from, and not
everyone's terrible regardless of where you're from. There is much

(57:21):
more in the middle of that conversation than there is
on the outskirts.

Speaker 12 (57:27):
I just want people to keep their hearts open and
not to be too closed off when we see new Canadians,
because these people are in a country. They have no clue.
They don't know how people are going to react to them.
They don't know anything about our culture. We just need
to embrace them, and you know, at least at least

(57:50):
try to make them feel comfortable.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
And what I will add to it is people talk
about assimilation and learn the language. Yeah, learn the language
is important. I mean to not be able to speak
and understand, read and write English is going to be
a problem for them as much as is the problem
for anybody else. And on top of that, you know,
when you talk about assimilation and Canadian values, I don't
think that's an illegitimate conversation to understand Canadian culture, to

(58:14):
try to be part of it in addition to keeping
your own traditions and beliefs. You know, some of the
things are you know, like female genitalia mutilation, problem against
the law. You know, things like when people point to
things like defecating in the street. Nobody should do that,
regardless of where you're from. So understanding Canadian culture trying
to be part of it, is it a legitimate conversation

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that we have in here. You know, like we talk
about losing our culture, the people responsible for preserving our culture,
whether it be New Fland, Labrador culture or Canadian culture,
are people who already live it. It's our responsibility to
embrace it. It's our responsibility to preserve it. But anyway, Donna,
I'm glad you made time for the show. I appreciate
your time.

Speaker 12 (58:52):
Thank you, Patty. And just one other thing, real quick,
as a new Canadian when you're in four lanstrive, that's
not an opening to.

Speaker 6 (59:01):
Do a U turn. Nope, just to let you know, yep.

Speaker 12 (59:05):
You may want to follow the guidelines because that is
dangerous as hell.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah. And a little stick on the left of the
starting columns the indicator exactly. Please you.

Speaker 12 (59:15):
It as awesome as you can and it doesn't have
to be a New Canadian. There could be someone driving
to forward.

Speaker 11 (59:20):
We just don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
You got that right, don I appreciate your time. Thank you.

Speaker 6 (59:25):
Have a great day, you too.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Bye bye. All right, let's take a break, don't go away,
welcome back to the program. Let's go lie number four, Charlie,
you're on the air.

Speaker 15 (59:34):
Good morning, Patty money, Patty, that car went. I think
it was the last one there. On immigration. I thought
you did a really really good job of making an
appeal to New Flanders and Canadians to be more accepting
and so on. I thought that was one of the
better calls I've heard on immigration for a long time. Anyway,

(59:55):
I know, if you want to.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Confident that sure, I thought she was very thoughtful. I
thought Kyle earlier, who had questions and can concerns, was
also very good. So again, you know, it doesn't make
you bad person have questions about immigration. It doesn't. But
having a little bit more of an understanding about exactly
who and why and how we're talking about how someone
arrived here, what they do, and their background and their
story is probably a little bit more helpful than just

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everyone is the same and everyone is either bad or
not welcomed or whatever. Anyway, I thought they were both
pretty good.

Speaker 15 (01:00:24):
Sometimes too, like what happened in Ukraine and in Syria,
sometimes you have to take people in a short notice,
and you can't always be prepared like you'd like to
be with housing and doctors, medical care and so on.
So I think that fact that sometimes governments get blamed
a little bit, even though they can do more, but
sometimes it just happens and you have to take immediate action. Anyway,

(01:00:48):
that's not what I call about. Okay, Patty, the Blue Jays,
I got to mention them. I've been a Dodger fan
since the fifties. I'll tell you all I am and
now I've got I'm faced with which I was wishing
would happen that they would meet in the World Series.
But who the hell are I cheer for?

Speaker 7 (01:01:06):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Toronto? Okay, wait chair forever you like? That's the beauty
of sports for me is look inside my core group
of buddies that we've known each other all our lives.
Most everybody is a sports fan, and there's no like.
I don't care if you're a Leafs fan, a Dodgers
fan of Philadelphia, None of that matters to me. I
enjoy watching the game and I think it's a great matchup.

(01:01:29):
The Dodgers are super tough, the Jays have their hands full.
Hon't feel advantage needs to be an advantage. But I
cannot wait to watch the World Series.

Speaker 15 (01:01:37):
No, Patty, you just want to comment on the on
the election again and yeah aftermath, I was hoping for
a minority government that the independence and a couple of
NDP with all the balance, but that didn't happen.

Speaker 12 (01:01:56):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (01:01:57):
I guess I'm kind of disgusted with what did happen
with the two major parties just uh, just promising us
the world and and and really with with with no
money to back it up. More just more boring and
and really really extensive boring too. And in light of
the fact that we are spending all that money, that

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billion dollars to finance that did I thought it was
irresponsible at both parties. And I think it's time Newfoundlanders
woke up and we've got immediate needs health care and
roads and so on, but we we've we've got a
responsibility to to to get finances in order, not only
for the future but for now. And it seems like

(01:02:41):
like I was glad for changing government too, But when
the PC leader came out acting as if climate change
didn't exist. We had no fires, we had no droughts,
farmers are not in trouble, water supplies low, and then
acting as if he could just borrow at will, I
thought it was really irresponsible. But I guess we'll see

(01:03:03):
what happens. Maybe they have to talk like that to
get in, but I'm not impressed by that new leader
on the basis of that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Well, they actually had promising of additional spending to the
tune of two hundred and eighty four point six million dollars.
You know, I think it's a fair question once again
is where's all the money coming from? And we can
get answers like, well, some money that the past government
spent on this, we're going to refocus it here whatever. Yeah,
but that still doesn't you know, square the circle of
just the level of debt and the level of deficit

(01:03:32):
in this promise, which really does need some attention. You know.
The reason why they don't talk about it when they
campaign is because you can't get anyone to vote for
auster airity. You can't get anyone to vote for you know,
calling the purse strings a little tighter than we have
in the past. People want what they want when they
want it, you know. Basically, I'm really not a big
fan of generalizations, but we're all pretty petulant, right, Yeah.

(01:03:54):
We want what we want when we want it. And
if someone has a politician who's campaigning on not delivering
to as to my petulance, then they don't get my vote,
which is a brutiz I was gonna say stupid, but
I'm pretty flawed way to approach a but that's where
we are.

Speaker 15 (01:04:07):
Well, at least the NDP and Jim did Jim Dinn
tried to cost what was happening and said, look, we'll we'll,
we'll pay for that with with these programs. To me,
that's a more responsible approach. Some people will say, well,
he can say that because he won't get in, but anyway,
well I guess, I guess we let it go. I

(01:04:28):
think we have to get a little more sophisticated in
this province as to always supporting one of those major
parties one or the other, because I don't think they're
much different outlook. Anyways, I want to comment on the
on the on the Israeli cease fire. Do you remember
when Biden has seized fire over there, Petty? Yeah, he

(01:04:51):
had a cease fire deal and it didn't last. I
didn't hear all the hullabaloo and a great peacemaker he
was at that time, and I didn't. I didn't ever
call a peace deal. I had to call a ceasefire.
This this is so much out out to lunch. It's
it's a joke that there's piece over there, there's there's
the it's just not even close and and already it's

(01:05:14):
being broken by both sides. I just find it really
odd some of some of the commentary, like Trump he's
the only one who could pull this off because he's
in with the Arab leaders and so on. He's in
with the Arab leaders not because of policy, but because
of the transactional nature. He wants their money and they
want to support in various things. I don't think the

(01:05:36):
the Arab leaders care that much about the Palestinians, but
they have to cow tao to the to the masses.
A lot of people who do care about them over there,
their own people. But anyway, it's just that people seem
to be giving credit where credit is not due, where
it's it's it's it's a ceasefire and and and a

(01:05:57):
very limited one at that. There is no peace until
there's a two state solution and those settlers start to
move off that land. I watched fifty State last night,
taped of what was happening on the West Bank since
since the October thing in Israel, and it's an internal

(01:06:18):
war there. Settlers are basically abusing the local population with
the support of the Israeli army. And you don't hear
much about this, you know, but I don't know if
you want to comment on this or not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Well, the first things first, for any lasting piece begins
with the ceasefire is then closely followed by the return
of every single living and dead hostage by both sides.
And then we talk about, you know, disarming Hamas and
who can govern inside of the Gaza strip, the attention
to settlers establishments on the West Bank, you know, a

(01:06:51):
real pragmatic, detailed by detailed, piece by piece, as opposed
to just pretending because someone said there's peace in the
Middle East doesn't mean there is. Abraham courtz a good thing,
you know, but support of the Katari's and the Saudis
and stuff. To your point, the transact to transactional nature
of all this is clear as mud, right, So if
we're talking about peace as some sort of real estate deal,

(01:07:12):
that's not what piece is. I mean. I think everybody really,
in their quiet moments understands that. And as long as
bombs are flying the people are getting killed, to call
it peace is maybe just a complete misunderstanding of what
peace actually means. But lay down your arms, disarmed ha
mass they cannot govern, return to the hostages and go from.

Speaker 15 (01:07:29):
There, well, imagine if Saint John's ninety percent of the
homes were gone, the roads were burned off, you couldn't
get food and medicine in, and people were serving to
death and then being bombed daily. Imagine any city in
that situation. That's what happened in Gaza, and the Israelis

(01:07:53):
they used the war as an excuse. They wanted to
empty Gaza of these Palestinians, so that was one of
the reasons they tried to served them. And when that
didn't work, because you remember Trump was talking about let's
make it the riv year and so on, and will
these other nations accept these all these refugees and so on.
When they didn't get to their goal there, they accepted

(01:08:17):
what we have now, which is to me, not very
much at all, except a limited seased fire. But anyway,
you leave it at that, I guess fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Appreciate the time, Charlie, thank you, You're welcome, Bye bye,
And so Sarah still out there. Sarah was in sitting
in for Dave Winnias for a second. Just another quick note,
Am I correct in saying that we will get here?
Dan Shuliman and Buck Martinez and Hazel May call the
World Series. I believe that is the case, right because
in years past it wasn't Fox were taken and then
we'd be shut out as Canadian viewers. To that end, like,

(01:08:49):
I watched a bunch of different ball teams play baseball
throughout the course of the year, and I hear their
commentators and play by play guys and their color guys
and stuff Showman and Buck. I guess I'm obviously by
here as a Jayson fan, but they're amongst, if not
the best in the business. Include Hazel May and Arden
and she A Shay and all the rest of them.
The sports on coverage of baseball is absolutely fantastic, isn't it.

(01:09:13):
Let's take a break, don't go away, Welcome back to
Let's see here, Let's go lam her three. Rob, you're
on the air, Morning, Patty Morning.

Speaker 8 (01:09:30):
I first time caller, longtime listener.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (01:09:36):
Hey, last time you and I spoke, I handed over
you a furry little bundle of joy named Dexter.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Oh, good to have you on the show. Rob, I
mean Dexter. Something else by really is?

Speaker 8 (01:09:48):
He really is?

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
There's something else that's not what I called them?

Speaker 8 (01:09:50):
Okay, just sitting here listening to some of your calls
this morning about the I guess immigration and New Canadians
and what I just wanted to I guess share a
little bit of my family's experience. About a little over
two years ago. My son, who was about nineteen at

(01:10:11):
the time, him and I were in Saint John's and
he said, Dad, I want to pop into barbershop and
get a haircut. So we went into the nineteen forty
nine barbershop on Torbay Road, and it was truly life
changing for our family because ever since my son's been a.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Boy, it's a little boy.

Speaker 7 (01:10:27):
He said he wanted to be a.

Speaker 8 (01:10:28):
Barber, and we didn't think that was very you know,
it's a different dream for a kid, for especially a
bright kid who had started university and whatnot. Anyway, he
met one of the owners of the shop there, a
gentleman from Columbia, and then we found out that his
business partner was from Ghana. Both of them had come

(01:10:49):
to Newfoundland to study, fell in love with the place,
fell in love with two local ladies, got married, had families,
and contrary to what we hear lots of times about
immigrants coming in and being a drain on our society.

(01:11:10):
These two gentlemen who own this now chain of barbershops,
as well as other businesses here, are huge contributors to
our economy. My son, from that day forward has never
left the family of the nineteen forty nine barbershops and

(01:11:31):
he is now two years into a very successful career.
The whole group has become friends of our family. They
have i think six barbershops right now across the metro
region and one in Gander, and they're just creating employment,

(01:11:51):
giving back to the community. An amazing story really of
what people who left countries for different reasons to come
to Canada, not to live off the Canadian you know, generosity,
but to appreciate what we have here, but to give

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back so much.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
And there's plenty of stories just like it, right and
there really is.

Speaker 8 (01:12:18):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, to to some of the comments
about the vehicles people drive. One of the owners actually
in addition to the barbershops, these people are very well
educated as well ones a nurse to others. Guys have
business degrees, master's degrees.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
They employ not only.

Speaker 8 (01:12:43):
Immigrants but permanent residents. My son is a local. There's
at least one more local Newfoundlander working in the company,
but they they are buying vehicles at auction, they repair

(01:13:03):
and get those vehicles affordable to newcomers into Canada. And
some of the vehicles that were disgusting by some of
the previous callers in the comments. And I understand and
totally agree with what everyone says, you need to know
the full story. A lot of the vehicles that this
gentleman purchases at auction are hiring vehicles that need repairs

(01:13:27):
and he gets those back on the road, and you know,
it's just it's it's I just felt like I wanted
to share that side of the story to sort of
back up what the previous two callers had had mentioned
that it's not just I'll drain on the on our
system for having these people come in here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
No, there's not. Are there some people who spend extended
amount of times on reliance on government moneys? Yes? Are
there more that don't also?

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Rob Erne prees so at the time, Dexter says, hello,
that was good, Thanks very much, Thanks buddy, all the best,
bet bye bye. Right, So that's the guy who was
the breeder that we've bought text from. Awesome, We're two
from here. David Williams. Pick a number, any number, and
that is a four. Fine, let's go to one number

(01:14:20):
four caller around the air.

Speaker 16 (01:14:22):
Hi, good morning, hither Patty. I'm the lady who called
in a few weeks ago about living next door to
the trap house downtown, and Mike Murray was kind enough
to call you afterwards and give the little bit of
advice on the bylaws of the city.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Yep, I remember the call calls.

Speaker 15 (01:14:43):
Okay.

Speaker 16 (01:14:44):
So after much pressure, we had a meeting yesterday with
city Hall and Danior was there, the city inspector that
was there, and also the solicitor for the city, and
a few of the neighbors went to down and tried
to get to the bottom of how we go about

(01:15:05):
closing down this trothhouse that's been terrorizing the neighborhood. We
were told yesterday by Danny that or the mirror, I
should say, I guess that the information we were given
by Mike Murray is not true. And their hands same thing.
Their hands are tied. There's nothing they can do. It

(01:15:26):
was through the liberal government, the lede inflation put in
place the city's hands they're tied. And I said, well,
what do you mean like I've sent you reports and
pictures since July of broken windows and garbage and dirt
and filled the noise and on and on and on
and on, and they say, well, everything's a process, and

(01:15:49):
I said, well, how long is a process. It can
take months, It can take years for the city to
do something. I said, you got to be kidding me.
Why can't you change your timeline on this? And they say, no,
there's nothing we can do. So I would hope if
mister Murray is listening, maybe he could give us some

(01:16:10):
advice or reach out to some of the neighbors and
give us some guidance on what we can do. But
you know, according to them, their hands are tied. There's
really nothing they can do. And if they do do something,
whether it's give a fine for garbage or noise or
a place that's broken windows and boarded up and all this,

(01:16:32):
it could take months and months and months. And I
don't get that, Patty, because if I was parked of
I legally, or you were parked legally or whatever, the
city would be there. Lickordy split, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
I mean, if I leave my car on the street
and fall asleep watching hockey game during the wintertime, I
gonna take it, okay, a couple of things. So the city,
to me and mayor brain or everybody else is welcome
to call. They seem to be splitting their hair hair
because when they reacted to Mike Murray's call, they kind
of said that we don't have the authority to deal
with the criminality. But no one said that. No one

(01:17:05):
said that the city can go arrest the drug dealer.
What the act allows is if the level of disrepair
and or garbage and or a noise and whatever, they
do have some authority here. Now, if the process may
take time, because lots of things take time, but I
really do think they have more authority than they're letting on.
So and again, nobody suggested that a by law officer

(01:17:28):
you will leave, you know, writing tickets downtown for people
who are parked and the meters expired, is all of
a sudden going to walk into a trap house or
a drug den unarmed and make arrest. Nobody said that.
What we're saying is that they candidate begin the process
to deal with the problem, whether it be from the
landlord on down. If the tenant happens to be a
drug dealer, then that's just gravy for trying to help

(01:17:49):
clean up a neighborhood. That's my understanding of it all.

Speaker 16 (01:17:52):
Anyway, Well, you're right, and I guess the true problem
here lies in whether it's Home Connect, the gathering place,
and the landlord. Those are three elements we're having to
deal with because these people, the landlord's giving a list
by these people on who to put in there. It's
housing for profit, and it shouldn't be housing for profit

(01:18:16):
because it's taxpayers, it's stoners, it's everybody who's making this happen.
And for this landlord to get you know, thirty eight
hundred to four thousand dollars a month and have these people,
you know, I don't know why there's not being screened properly.
I asked those questions to Home Connect, and I was
told the same as the landlord, quote unquote, they have

(01:18:39):
to live somewhere. Well, never mind that, what about neighborhoods
that are tiarrized. What about you know, people can't going
to work, children can't get in on the bus because
of this, you know shutdown.

Speaker 15 (01:18:53):
It's been how it's been horrible to live like this?

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Yeah, I can't imagine, of course it is. It's I
mean for some people to be terrorizing because you never
know what comes with that type of unit. Because every
time that we see the RCP or the R and
C display the wares taken in a seizure regarding drugs
is drugs and money and weapons. So obviously people will

(01:19:20):
be fearful if when there's that level of drug related
activity close by where they live or in their neighborhood
or next door anything else. While we have this morning, Yes, I.

Speaker 16 (01:19:30):
Think the major goal here is to get the government
and hopefully you're listening, mister wakem we need to shut
down that these slum landlords are getting profit to have
these people live in their house and terrorize neighborhoods and
do nothing about it. That's why they're not renting out

(01:19:51):
to international students or families or people who really need it.
It's because they're making tons of money from the government.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
That's certainly part of it, I would assume, and you know,
landlords are part of this conversation, and they kind of
get off bit scott free here as well, because if
they knowingly and you know, maybe not upon the initial
rental agreement, but when it becomes well understood that one
of their properties is one of these so called trap houses.
They're part of the conversation here. You know, if they
legitimately want to be upstanding members of the landlord community,

(01:20:25):
even though I even know if that's the thing, then
they have some authority here too to begin the process,
to be involved with the city, to engage in said process,
to try to get rid of that criminal element. Of
course they do. I've got to get going to the
break and I appreciate your time. Keep me in the loop.

Speaker 16 (01:20:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
You're welcome by all right, let's go ahead and take
that break out. Don't go away. Welcome back to the program.
Let's go leane them five. Mike, you're on the air.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
Good morning, Patty. I'm happy with the electure results. Okay,
at least ways we've got the Libros gone. But now
I'm wondering what they're going to do, because that they're
going to take the information that the Liberal Party was
given from their advisors and the lack of enforcement of

(01:21:11):
our rules and regulations and everything with regards to tendering
and purchasing. All of this stuff has got to be
brought under control, and which is big time, which is
costing us a fortunate money that we don't have and
it's making our debt a lot worset. So as far
as englecerned, like the Controller General, the Chief Purchasing Agents

(01:21:36):
and into the out of the General, all of these
people are watch dogs. They should be watching all of
the spending and reporting to the politicians and that and whatever.
So the people that are advised of the government, like
on the fery systems and everything else, we all know
what disaster it is what has become all of these people.

(01:21:58):
So are we going to have the same people there
into these positions that are going to advoise the same
government and we're going to wind up with the same old,
same old, Or how far are the pc is going
to go and change everything? And a lot of things
have got to be changed. We have to have penalties
for people who break our tendering laws and our purchasing

(01:22:21):
laws and just giving them money invoices gone in before
the pos are issued. You know, like we've got so
much there. And then we've got the Combers group who
have total control over the infrastructure of our healthcare system
ad exorbit of the amounts of money. They're big business.

(01:22:44):
We're never going to get rid of them. But we
got to have the people there who could control them.
Like recently there was some new equipment needed, but the
top set, the Combers group in the government said, oh no,
we'll supply that. Never went to ten there, never went
to ning, just come through about it and delivered it
to the site. And all of this stuff going on

(01:23:06):
at exorbit of prices. And then we've got equipment there
with no representatives in newp Land brought in from the mainland.
Like everything that's going on here is a complete waste
of money that we can save a lot of money
by having good competent people in our watchdog positions. So

(01:23:27):
if the PCs are just going to go along with
the existing infrastructure and they're going to keep on doing
the same things, the same mistakes, well it don't matter
who's in there. And this is what a lot of
people got the same mind that, look, don't matter who's
in there, they're going to do the same thing. So

(01:23:49):
are the PCs going to hold up to that? But
I'm hoping not, and I hope they're going to make
a teen slate and a lot of investigation in the
spending in the ferry system now repairs and that stuff
that never had been done to new bills has gone
up now to eighteen million dollars. And now we just
had a new generator order for one of them, a

(01:24:09):
generator gone by a mechanical contract for electrical parts. They
got no comprehension of the proper spending in that of
getting the best dollar for a book. And it's going
to be interesting to see. Like I said, dear, I
can point out so much wrongdoing so much money that

(01:24:30):
can be saved by just following our rules and regulations.
But to me, the only way to do this and
get people to follow our rules and regulation for a
democratic country not to have somebody into power that says
you're buying this from this person's going to be delivered

(01:24:50):
by that person to go to that distributor and they're
making the profit from.

Speaker 6 (01:24:54):
It all, which is not right.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
So anyway, I got big hopes for the PCs that
they're going to initiate a lot of changes that need
to be done, and it has be done by somebody
or else we're going to be in dire straits and
desperation right now. We got the cumbers groops. They're leading
our Eastern health. We're not going to get rid of it.

(01:25:19):
They're problems wide. They got total control over all the infrastructure,
the executives and everybody else. They're all doing what they're
told to do. At the one thing is that to
make the most profit, take the most profit profit of
New Poland, most money out and give it to people
inside of the province. And we're here struggling and hurting

(01:25:43):
and everything else where. These people's profits are soaring. So,
like I said, we've got to have the controls to
control it. We have the policies, but they're not followed.
So how do we go about it? Like I said,
I'm hoping that the PCs are going to really do

(01:26:05):
a thorough investigation into a lot of the spending. And
I hope you bring forward the report and the Commerce group.
Back when Jan Hagey and the COVID team came in,
he was supposed to release the new study and report
what the Commerce Group were costing.

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
It was squashed.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
Nobody knows where went to. We's done with it, and
I hope they resurrected and informed the people exactly what
the Commerce Group is costing to people, because right now
there's nobody in government knows how much money is going
into this province.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Yeah, the Compass group issue. I still can't get anyone
at NL Health Services or anyone in senior levels of
government to even speak to the issues that you've brought
to me via email in here on the program. And
I don't really know why, to be honest, but anyway,
anything else, why would we have this morning, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
The thing is that I put in some requests. I
think the six months now, I said you, I think
copies of the whare has been delayed a copy of
the Commons Group signed copy Dave in the day and
then now for six months to get the new Compass contract.
And I have been able to get them so far.

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And I figured that they were deliberately delaying it before
the election. But somebody asked me government with the questions
that I asked, and I said this before, and it's
unbelievable that somebody into the government had my all my
emails directing to government. Do NL dot CAA blocked that

(01:27:43):
I could not send the emails to anybody in government
because of the questions that I ask about legality, questions
concerning like is it legal for the government to direct
money into a contactor's bank account that is in the
hands of the government like the tills in the government

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and all the restaurants and cafeterias and everything else. All
the cash goes into the Compasses bank account. Why this
is already in our giving a renterview account to get it?
Why are they turning this all over with including the AHSD.

Speaker 10 (01:28:20):
So where does it go to?

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
How do we get back to the government.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Nobody can answer any of these questions and.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Their fair questions. I'm only interrupting because we just hit
the news break time, so thirty seconds to wrap it up
before I have to go.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
All right, carry on, zip over normal unency.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
I'll give it my best shot. Thanks Mike. All right,
but you're welcome by all. Just got a break for
the news. I'm going back tons of time for you
call there of us to talk about teacher red tape.
I'm curious to hear what that means. And then we're
going to talk about newcommerce and population growth and whatever
you want to talk about. Don't go away.

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Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number six,
Veronica around the air.

Speaker 9 (01:29:18):
Good morning, Patty here with me. Okay, first time caller.
I want to talk about our education system. I've been
in the education system now. I'm a student assistant. I've
been at this now for twenty six plus years. And
for the things that I see and how the government
never spoke anything about any of this in their debate.

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Our schools are overcrowded and teachers at irts tla's and
student assistants as well. We're struggling to keep up with
demands that we have to face. We can't get student
assistants because they have to leave their car somewhere else
to get on bus to do often the transportation and

(01:30:03):
it's not always a feasible place to leave your vehicle
or there's no parking. School i'm in is eleven years old.
We have approximately seven hundred and fifty students from K
to six. Right now we have thirty three children. And
also the transportation as three buses. We are supposed to

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have eleven student assistants, we still have three vacant positions,
which leaves us getting burnt out. You need the second
person for certain things. When you're dealing with these children,
you can't always get that second person. You're going to
an irt or a teacher for your help. So I

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don't know what the education system the government is going
to do with our education system because they haven't spoken
anything about it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Which is really surprising to me. I mean, we just
went through an eighteen month exercise of the Education Accord.
They talked about it for a heartbeat and then no
further comment on it. We've seen the academic trend outcomes
for twenty plus years. They're heading in the wrong direction.
We've seen an uptick in violence. We've seen an uptick
in chronic apsenteeism. We've seen a classroom composition and class size.

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We questioned repeatedly by people who are not in government,
but yet very little to no conversation during campaign. I
just don't get it. I mean, if we're talking about
the long term viability and success and profitability of this province,
if we're not focusing on education, then we're just missing
the boat. I truly don't understand Eddy.

Speaker 9 (01:31:37):
In my opinion, a lot of our children don't have
an advocate. Someone has to get out and speak for him.
I know one city school here, junior high school. If
the student assistant did as there's no student assistant on
that oftener transportation loss. That's five junior high children who
do not get to go to school that day because

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there's support on the bus. They need the support on
the bus. My bus alone, I have seven I have
eleven students, one bus with ten, another one with twelve.

Speaker 8 (01:32:12):
One student system.

Speaker 9 (01:32:13):
We have special needs on these buses. We have children
who seizure, children with anxiety problems. It's unbelievable, and there's
no one speaking out for the children, and it's causing
teachers and everyone in the education system.

Speaker 10 (01:32:30):
To burn out.

Speaker 9 (01:32:33):
I mean, these are our future leaders, these children. If
we're not eating them right from K to six, what's
going to happen when they get to junior high one?
They can go on to pit whenever they want to
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
You know what I'm saying, I do, I know exactly
what you're saying.

Speaker 9 (01:32:50):
Yeah, I don't know, just putting it out there, but
we need something done with our system desperately.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
We do. And you know, I sometimes think there's maybe
a little bit of fear amongst politicians on this front.
And I'll tell you why. If one of the significant
issues is class composition, then I think they're probably weary
of offending one segment of society or another, when in fact,
addressing what teachers and administrators and families and students already

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know is one of the big issues insofar as everything
as violence, burnout, academic outcomes. If they're afraid to talk
about it because of that, then that's not good enough.
It's simply not good enough. Acknowledging what the reality is.
It's probably very helpful if you're a politician, but again
to your point, not having it as a key focus

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during the campaign is just mind boggling to me.

Speaker 9 (01:33:45):
Oh, most definitely. Now the school line in like I said,
it's only eleven years old. Over this summer we had
to go through renovations.

Speaker 10 (01:33:54):
We had to take our.

Speaker 9 (01:33:56):
Library change just reduce this to make two more classrooms.
Plus we had to take our it room and turn
that into a classrooms.

Speaker 6 (01:34:07):
We have four special.

Speaker 5 (01:34:09):
Needs units in this school.

Speaker 6 (01:34:12):
We need a fifth one.

Speaker 9 (01:34:14):
We haven't got enough room or support in the four
units to deal with the issues that we have to
deal with in the run of the day. It's it's
it's ludicrous. And when I messaged you after the political
debate back on October the eighth.

Speaker 15 (01:34:32):
I also messaged.

Speaker 9 (01:34:34):
A Hogan and wakem and mister Dian and I heard
back from nobody. I even gave him my phone number, right,
So it's it's horrendous.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Anyway, that's my feel for a morning.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
And I'm glad you maated to appreciate the time.

Speaker 9 (01:34:54):
Okay, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
Have a great day, you too, Veronica. Bye bye, Let's
go to learn umber. Peter, you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (01:35:02):
Yeah, good morning, I like said, I just heard the
last part of a conversation with a caller about what
it's called the population explosion. So I went online.

Speaker 5 (01:35:14):
I found a.

Speaker 13 (01:35:14):
CBC article that mentioned it, and I went to another
site and there was some population just statistics, and it
said early two thousands, our population was almost five seventy.
Then it dropped to about five ten and now we're
up to about five point fifty. So I don't see

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that as a population explosion. It's barely a population recovery.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Yeah, I think when people make that reference. I can't
speak for everyone who says those words, but I think
we look at the population of the country, the population
in this province says, you know, ebbs and flows. It's
never been too far away from where we are now.
And there are some reasons why we saw mass exodus
at one point. I mean even just look at something
like the Cobboratorium. But yeah, the population is a recovery,
that's good work.

Speaker 13 (01:36:00):
Yeah, now I'm going from memory. But in nineteen seventy
the population was about five hundred thousand. Saint John's businessman
gave a speech to Rotary and his take on it.
His argument was, in order for Newfoundland to be prosperous,
he could only sustain three hundred thousand people and the
government should convince two hundred thousand.

Speaker 6 (01:36:21):
People to leave.

Speaker 13 (01:36:23):
Now, I saw statistics nineteen eighty nineteen eighty seven that
in Canada there were seven hundred and fifty thousand Newfoundland
born Canadians had but only five hundred thousand lived in
the province. Now, that's like forty years ago or so
I would guess roughly, there's probably a million Newfoundland born

(01:36:45):
Canadians adding the extension the immediate families and were up
close to two million. So population explosion were a long
way from population recovery. And then if it just taken
another minute, there I saw a letter published about business
people supporting the Lower Churchill project and one of the

(01:37:08):
lines arguments they had was they would bring New Flanders back. Now,
in that time, since nineteen seventy, we've had megaproject after
mega project after mega project, and it just hasn't happened.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Yeah, because if they come back when the job is done,
they leave unless there's another job to be had. It's
probably very accurate. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:37:28):
Now I'm going to make a guess. I haven't really studied,
it's not my field, but I think the mixture of
the new Canadians. I remember university and the hospital, the staff,
the doctors were from all over the world, and it
gave the university and the medical community international credibility.

Speaker 5 (01:37:47):
All these new.

Speaker 13 (01:37:48):
Canadians here gave the city international credibility. A lot of those, though,
are in the service industry, low age jobs.

Speaker 10 (01:37:58):
So one of the.

Speaker 13 (01:37:59):
Reasons I think, and myself included why the New Folanders
who stay here till their old age is they own
their house, so they get a pension, the government pension whatever,
and they can manage. Now these new Canadians they're going
to have a family, They're not going to get their
house without a mortgage, and if the economy drops again,

(01:38:21):
they have to pay their mortgage, they have to sell,
they have to move. So I think population explosion, I
think that's outright and this leading.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Yeah, and again I can't speak for anyone but myself.
I think I hear a lot of reference to national population,
which now cleared forty million. But of course the population
that we've seen grow dramatically are in the major cities,
not the rest of the country.

Speaker 10 (01:38:45):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:38:46):
Yeah, as even Northeast Avalon, A lot of people here
they're not you know, Northeast savel On, Saint John's CBS people.
They're coming from rural Newfoundland. They're coming in because they
want the opportunity, their children want to go to school,
they get medical services, and so there's a migration to
what we call urban here as well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Yeah, I mean there's reasons why people might move into
the urban centers, which once again is happening right across
the country. Have For young families, it might be access
to services. For older people, that might be access to
their young families that move from rural into the city.
For others, it might be access and cross proximity to healthcare.
So again there's a bunch of reasons why populations are
growing in cities and are being reduced in road parts

(01:39:30):
of the country.

Speaker 13 (01:39:30):
Absolutely, yeah, Okay, well that's all I have to say.
One more thing, just to be a little dramatic, is
that that article on the government.

Speaker 6 (01:39:40):
Is just pure propaganda.

Speaker 13 (01:39:42):
They're not publishing stats, they're not telling the background, they're
not telling the factors that will affect the population. But
if that's what the government releases, that's what that's the
only thing the media can report on unless they challenge it. Anyway, Patty,
thanks very much.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
I appreciate your time. Peter, thank you, bye bye. All right,
break time, let me come back. Follow up caller on
Heat Pump program. I believe this was the guy that
the peat pump and particularly the electrical hookup was not
done correctly, and a bunch of things associated with we'll
get that follow up that we're talking about, Moose license,

(01:40:17):
a school in King's called whatever you want to talk about. Okay, back,
let us go. Line number one caller around the air.

Speaker 11 (01:40:25):
Good morning, Headache morning.

Speaker 12 (01:40:28):
I've been listening to the.

Speaker 11 (01:40:31):
Immigration aspects of the show and some very good points
being made. One I'm colent is what I see is
and I observe a lot in society, I really do,
and I look at why people have the behavior or

(01:40:55):
they feel the way they do, look at the big picture,
and like, look at around the province. We have a
one percent vacancy and we have our own that are homeless.
Seniors are getting evicted. Okay, what's r and there's no

(01:41:18):
one there to speak up for these seniors. Actually, I
had a family member they got a victed and what
they got evicted over was.

Speaker 12 (01:41:29):
It's just.

Speaker 11 (01:41:32):
Unbelievable and there's no trouble. They paid their rent on
time they got evicted. Now my question is who's going
to get that apartment that they were evicted from? And
not only that, like when you got people that are
going into Saint John's for medical care, they can't get

(01:41:55):
housing if they got to stay like a month or
two more months for uh, there's no work for them
to stay. And then we have a government, the past
government that talked about housing. Uh, there's been no housing
built for people to move into. So that creates a

(01:42:20):
whole scenario right there where we're bringing in other people.

Speaker 12 (01:42:26):
To the province. I don't have a problem with that
at all, but.

Speaker 11 (01:42:33):
First and foremost shouldn't we be looking.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
After our own I'm never really entirely sure what that means.
Like you you jumble a lot of stuff into that,
like coming in for healthcare. What role do landlords and
or the vacancy right play playing in when someone has
to travel for healthcare?

Speaker 11 (01:42:50):
Like well, okay says when you bring in mess. Uh, well,
we only get one percent vacancy, and we're bringing in
mass mass immigration, Like where are the people supposed to live?

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
Well? Is the city of Saint John's number, It's not
the whole province.

Speaker 11 (01:43:15):
I'm aware of that. Yes, And we see people moving
on the oskirts, and we also see house housing prices
that have doubled. Uh, Like the younger generation don't have
a chance and owning a home or wanting to come

(01:43:38):
and live here, work here, live here, and uparn housing.
And then you have like Eastern healthwin put up a
clinic for immigration, open up a new clinic for immigration.

Speaker 10 (01:43:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Some of that's about.

Speaker 11 (01:44:02):
Yes, that's okay, that's okay. However, we got people that
are being hired into hospitals okay, that don't can't speak
English at all? Got know English language?

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
Doing what.

Speaker 12 (01:44:19):
Nursing?

Speaker 11 (01:44:22):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
No, I know, like Dave just said to me, I
know that there's certainly been some recruitment of personal care
attendants that probably don't have a firm full grasp of
the English language yet. But in healthcare as healthcare professionals otherwise,
I'm not so sure that's the thing. I mean, do
they struggle with.

Speaker 11 (01:44:42):
English as a second twenty two was hired in a hospital?

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:44:49):
This is and then.

Speaker 11 (01:44:52):
Like, what is our own staff having to train them?
And if they can't speak English, or write English or
understand English, how dangerous is that to prescribing medication? Really?

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
Like, you don't think you don't think that doctors and
nurse practitioners, because if we're talking about someone who has
the ability of the authority to make out a prescription,
you're suggesting they're not actively doing everything possible to learn
the language. Really, I'm not saying that.

Speaker 11 (01:45:26):
I'm saying that it's being body in there, okay, being
body in there, and they're being put up on medical floors,
surgery everywhere, they're given it, medication, nursing nurses are being
hired from all the countries that can't speak English spell,

(01:45:47):
and howterus is that for giving it medication.

Speaker 14 (01:45:52):
And not only that.

Speaker 11 (01:45:53):
I mean there are good there are good people that
are immigrants. I'm not saying there's not and there are
bad people in our province that are our culture, okay,
but breaking breaking laws and everything else.

Speaker 12 (01:46:15):
We also see uh, you.

Speaker 11 (01:46:17):
Know, immigration immigrants coming in that are.

Speaker 12 (01:46:20):
Not vet properly, like you said, they're not vet properly, so.

Speaker 11 (01:46:26):
That are volun through the cracks and getting in the
provinces across the country and they're not they don't by
some don't bid bye lass. I've been at an intersection

(01:46:47):
multiple times and seeing the pulling U turns at an intersection,
so like if we went over there, we have.

Speaker 12 (01:46:57):
To follow their rules.

Speaker 11 (01:46:58):
So why is it that the police and the government
are allowing people to come in here and do s
you please under there?

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Why traffic?

Speaker 11 (01:47:16):
I had I had a guy pick up a big rock,
I mean a large rock and throw at my vehicle
as I was driving. Just missed and come in, just missed,
hit my vehicle, just missed my windshield, come in and

(01:47:38):
hit me. I jumped out. There was a police officer
around inside of the road. The police I said to
the police officer, I said, excuse me, sir, I said,
that man right there, he could see him. I said,
he just threw a rock at my vehicle and it
just missed me coming break in through the windshield. You
know that afer never done nothing. He said, there's nothing

(01:48:02):
I can do. I said, what's your job? I said,
it's in your job to serve and protect. But if
I had done that, if I had thrown a rock
at your vehicle, I'd be arrested right away.

Speaker 7 (01:48:17):
So are you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
Suggesting that there was nothing done, because for some reason
yourself and the police officer were able to determine that
that person was an immigrant or a newcomer just by
looking at him.

Speaker 6 (01:48:30):
He was How do you know.

Speaker 11 (01:48:33):
I can tell that, you can tell he was having
God love him. The man was having a mental health crisis, okay,
and probably coming from a warm torn country. It all
boils back to the mental health of our own of
immigrants coming in Okay, and they're not getting no services

(01:48:57):
to just be a body in there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
And so right on one hand, I'm being told that
they get no services, and on the other hand, I'm
being told to get too much. So I'm pretty sure
there's somewhere in between all of that that's actually the
reality on the ground and anyway, I'm taking up for
the news. But I appreciate your time.

Speaker 5 (01:49:23):
Thank you, Patty.

Speaker 11 (01:49:24):
I wouldn't call in and just say these things, Patty,
I've witnessed it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
I appreciate your time. Thanks all right, talk for the news.
Don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
The Tim Power Show joing the conversation weekday afternoons at
four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
Welcome back. Let's go LIGHTE number three. You Sagamore to
the city councilor Tom Davis. Tom, you're on the air.

Speaker 6 (01:49:49):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
Morning.

Speaker 6 (01:49:53):
So I want to start with just some some public
announcements before we get into the need of what you want.
What would be I called talk about? Sorry, buddy, I'm
just driving.

Speaker 7 (01:50:02):
I'm turning over.

Speaker 14 (01:50:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:50:04):
So the first thing is this Friday is actually World
Polio Day, and the rotary clubs of this fline are
getting together to raise money to continue the eradication of polio.

Speaker 5 (01:50:18):
And we're doing it down at the air.

Speaker 6 (01:50:20):
Ground Center with the Regiment this Line Regiment Game. And
you can actually go.

Speaker 7 (01:50:26):
To the rotary called the avalon Northeast.

Speaker 6 (01:50:27):
There's a link right on there if you just google
Rotary World Polio Day, New.

Speaker 10 (01:50:34):
Ful Land regiment.

Speaker 6 (01:50:35):
You'll be brought right to a link and that link
will link what you can buy tickets there and five
dollars for every ticket will go towards eradicating polio and
so people are aware of it. That's in doubles by
the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and so that basically

(01:50:57):
means the five dollars becomes fifteen dollars. And you know,
for people's reference, there's there's endemic polio in Pakistan and Afghanistan,
but unfortunately Judu low vaccination rates. Uh, there's outbreaks of
a more minor version of polio, but it can actually

(01:51:17):
buy a transmission through a low vaccinated population. It can
actually recover its ability to paralyze people, So eradicating it
is important. Continued vaccinations also important. So you know you
have to spread that message. But we'd love to see
a lot of people out to.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
Watch the regimen.

Speaker 6 (01:51:33):
I'm looking forward. I'm gonna be down there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
Fair enough, and to that end, it has nothing to
do with polio. But here comes to Saint John c
Dogs and the head coach is local traviskrekor.

Speaker 6 (01:51:44):
There you go, another good reason to go down killed
three Birds, one Stone. This Friday is also Go Blue Day,
part of Miles for Smiles Foundation, and we're asking people
to take a picture of themselves wearing blue on that day,
post it to your socials and tag Miles for Smiles
in l businesses as well. And our last year Sting

(01:52:06):
Ray did it too, they took a picture. So hopefully
we'll we'll get people a big showing, you know, to
support the prevention of child support and awareness and to
also October is also Child Abuse Prevention Months, and we
had this great announcement that the kids in the program
will be throughout all the schools. But we want to

(01:52:28):
encourage people to become informed because unfortunately, for the most part,
they ust happen in schools. It's great to educate the children,
but we need a community wide awareness and for people
to be educated and realize that unfortunately a lot of
times it's people you know and people you trust that
are doing these evil acts. And only as the community

(01:52:48):
can we come together to support but also prevent. Okay, Okay,
So i'm I want to weigh in on the call
and the resident. I didn't know there was a meeting
yesterday between the mayor and legal and some residents downtown
about the public prosecutor and Sir Murray, who's called in

(01:53:13):
and I've been calling regularly and it's very informave and
it's great to hear his voice. And I listened very
intently to his call and went back and re listened
to it. And during the election. I'm not one of
these politicians that goes around making promises during the election,
but one of the things that I wanted to do
after the election was to have all of council approach

(01:53:36):
to helping to make the city safer, cleaner, you know,
And that was used whatever powers we had and whatever
resources we had and bring the community on it. And
when I listened to what he had to say, I thought,
that looks like something that we should be able to
build upon. I know that the official position of the
city has kind of been well, it's not really the

(01:53:58):
way it was intended, but I do want to have
a conversation about it because I do believe that working
in conjunction with the rn C and the province, which
is something we desperate need. One thing my observation, which
and I don't understand it, is, for whatever reason, the
province does not seem to work all that close. I
mean there's cooperation, there was, and we were building something,

(01:54:19):
but for whatever reason, there isn't that partnership that I
believe the city should have with the province. It's capital city,
and I know there are things we can do together,
working hand in hand. And I do believe that although
it doesn't allow us to the Act does not allow
us to the sections that mister Murray I think is

(01:54:40):
two seventy five and up didn't allow us to directly
curtail criminal activity, but it's definitely a tool that we
should be able to use. I understand the challenges with
sending employees, but again he addressed that and said that
you can contract out to the R and C. So
I think, you know, I really want to push that,
and I do believe that we do to the residents.

(01:55:02):
They don't feel safe. And my daughter lived downtown. I
saw firsthand. I couldn't wait for to move out of there.
She's back down there, but not down quite into the
heat of it. And I really do believe we had
to do better. And I know it's not easy. None
of this stuff is easy, but I wouldn't mind, you know,
waiting into this conversation as a counselor and as a

(01:55:24):
citizen of the city.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
Yeah. I mean when the city responded to Mike Murray's comments,
I felt there was a little bit of hair splitting
going on because Mike Murray nor anybody else that I've heard,
it's suggesting that all of a sudden, the city has
our by law officers trained in policing and go in
and make a rest. That's not what he said. He
said there was things like property damage and garbage and

(01:55:48):
noise and the state of disrepair inside some of these homes.
Of the city does have some thirty to intervene with
partners such as.

Speaker 6 (01:55:55):
The R and C.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
So that's basically what Mike Murray said. But when the
city came back said, you know, we can't cont all
the criminal element data. That's not what anybody said, though,
you know, in the effort of partnership, whether it be
with law enforcement and or the province. I do think,
having read it and heard from Mike Murray and others,
I think there's more the city can do. The city
can be more active on trying to help divers and
help neighborhoods that are plagued with these types of what

(01:56:18):
people call trap houses.

Speaker 16 (01:56:22):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:56:22):
The thing is that it's also the speed at which
we react. And again this is it's a you know,
we know we see this in all bureaucracies, whether it's
a large business or it's the city or it's a province.
It's the speed. Right, we have some great employees and
we have to build this. You know, it's not a
pile on because that doesn't get what you want. It's
it's it's we're all we if we have any power

(01:56:43):
we can do to help, we need to do it.
We need to do as quickly as we can, and
it needs to be comprehensive. I also, you know, I
you know, I see it. You know where we have landlords,
even landlords that don't have trap houses, who aren't maintaining
their properties properly and don't respond quick enough. And so
you know, I really I know we've got to build
to this. So I'm not saying this is a flick

(01:57:05):
of switch type thing. However, we owe it to do
whatever we can. I mean, we have the resources, we
have the people, and the community wants to be part
of the solution. Like they're not standing by and you know,
like this lady they met with, they met yesterday with
the legal and with the chiefs inspector and with the mayor.
I mean, that's that's the beginning, and I know that,

(01:57:26):
but what came out of that was, you know, we
reallyble from her description. I'm planning to be speaking about
it today, you know, with the mayor and just seek
it to get a briefing on this meeting. But I
know that not our wheelhouse, not our problem is not
good enough. That's not why we get paid, it's not
why it's not what the city, the residents expect. However,

(01:57:49):
they need to be part of a solution, which they're trying,
and many are. And I want to encourage people to
have that, to have that conversation and to reach out
to all their accounts because you know, we have to
be empathetic, but we also have to be informed, and
we also have to feel the pressure, just like if
like any employee, we need to feel the pressure from

(01:58:10):
the employer, who is everybody who pays our salaries. And
also we need to have to go and look people. Fay.
The nice thing with the election, if you knock doors
is you saw firsthand the homes that weren't maintained. You
saw firsthand the people who are afraid in their homes,
and that starts to fade away the farther you get
away from knocking on those people's doors. And so the

(01:58:31):
residents and a lot of the ones that you know,
they've given up, they're apathetic, or what's the difference. There's
no point. Well, there is a point, because it'll only
get worse if we don't come together and do something
about it. It will not get better. It's not going
to heal itself on its own. It's going to take
a whole community and your program, which is an excellent voice,
and I hope that all my fellow counselors and any

(01:58:52):
politician is paying attention because it's so important to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
We got to do something, absolutely, Tom. I'm going to
leave it there because that and take a break, but
I appreciate your time.

Speaker 6 (01:59:02):
Yeah, thank you, take care of me.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
Welcome up, bye bye. All right to just take a
break a little bit early for those of you in
the Q. Stay right there. Darren's got a follow up
called with the heat pump program issue that he's facing.
Carrie Le's talk about a school in King's. Colvin Beatan's
got a concern with these sick wife's moose license, don't
go away. Welcome back. Let's go to let number two
Darren around the air.

Speaker 5 (01:59:20):
Hi, Patty, I'm calling back because I had a couple
of points last week when I talked to you that
I didn't touch on. When I had a chance encounter
there with the MHA here in our area and I
live in King's Point, I had mentioned to him, is
there anything that their office can do to help fix

(01:59:42):
up my heat pump? And he referred me to the
company that actually did the install and I hadn't told
them which company I had used at the time, but he,
like I said, he referred me back to them to
get my problems fixed, and I told them, I said,
that's the company that actually did my installs. Well, what

(02:00:04):
I found out was is that the MHA is also
the brother to the electrician that was doing the work.
That the brother is now suspended his license electrical license
is suspended because he's working with a fraudulent license. And
the two reputable, other reputable companies that are in our

(02:00:25):
area have found out that the MHA's office had been
referring their company to all kinds of people, and that's
what they've been using to get these installs done. So now,
just the other day I was speaking to somebody that

(02:00:46):
even had their electrical system upgraded, so they had to
go from one hundred amp to a two hundred amp service,
and they had their heat pump installed. But now he
is frightened to death finding out about all these metrical
issues to actually use this heat pump and that's the
only heat source in this house. And there's you know,

(02:01:07):
something that's going to happen and seriously going to happen
to somebody, whether their house burns down or whatever. But
I'm also concerned now is what are the insurance ramifications
once the insurance companies find out that this company has
done all these installs with a fraudulent electrician inspecting the work,

(02:01:30):
and like I said, leaving people in such a bad
state with heat pumps that they can't even use. Like
we're coming back up on the winter season again, and
you know, the take Charge in OL program needs to
step up and help fix these problems because people switched
over without having the money or the funds to be
able to afford this. Now they've gone from wood and

(02:01:53):
oil furnaces to a furnace or a heat pump that
they cannot use in their house. You know, something really
seriously needs to be done before, like I said, someone's
house burns down or even worse, you know, someone's house
burns down with people inside. I just want somebody to

(02:02:15):
step up and start helping the people in our area.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
Yeah, I mean, the accredited contractor conversation is interesting because
they even talk about it. In the world of housing,
you know, to have an approved contractor list, And when
I least spoke to it, I recalled your last call
to the program and talked about the need to update
an approved list constantly, because if someone gets on a
list and all of a sudden, they can rest on
those laurels and maybe, just maybe some contractors will cut corners,

(02:02:42):
do shoddy work, and then where are we right?

Speaker 5 (02:02:45):
And that's the thing that the take Charge program has
a list of contractors and those are the only ones
you're allowed to select from. I'm not allowed to select
somebody that's not on that list, that hasn't been approved
by the Take Charge program. So where's their responsibility in
the whole situation? They say they have no responsibility, but
yet they force you to use their list of contractors.

(02:03:09):
So now I'm stuck with a heat pump that I
can't use. There's another person here that had the electrical
system upgraded because they were getting a heat pump done.
They're stuck now and they're scared for their life to
use their he pump, worrying about their house burning down.
So something needs to be done by the government to
step up. And we're in such a terrible spot now

(02:03:30):
switching governments because the new governments is going to come
in and say, well, it was the old government's problem,
not ours or whatever, right, So where where's the help
we need? We need some help in our area to
get get people's heat pumps fixed so they can use them,
you know, before you know, right now, before February and

(02:03:52):
March set set in and when the extreme cold, right, yeah,
I mean I.

Speaker 2 (02:04:00):
Agree hundred percent. And what role the government should have
directly in this, I'm not really sure because for me,
it really comes back to the company that's solely the unit.
They've got to play a role right through the execution,
the sale, the payment, the installation, and to make sure
that you're happy enough with what you bought, and that
includes the subcontractors they would use or recommend.

Speaker 5 (02:04:23):
But again they've been just taking advantage of the government
knowing that they're doing Boddy work. They're just going to
end up folding up and going to the probably recurring
bankruptcy or whatever before they have to fix anybody's units.

Speaker 2 (02:04:38):
Totally understand, and we tried some follow up. I'll put
it back on my list to see if we can't
get some direct response on a specific issue like the
one you're talking about here on the program from the government.
I appreciate the time and in the outstand before get
another call on.

Speaker 5 (02:04:53):
Thank you for doing what you do and let's go
Blue Jays.

Speaker 2 (02:04:57):
Yeah, let's go Blue Jays. You got that right. Thanks to.

Speaker 5 (02:05:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
You're welcome. By bye. I'll wear today line number five. Five.
It is five. It is beating around the air.

Speaker 14 (02:05:08):
Yes, good morning, Patty, Good morning. I called him. My
wife had a license pretty going and get a moose
to year. It happened that she ended up master while
she's dying the canter that as you know, I contacted
the ball I off was in corner Brook to see
if I could go and kill the moose. For now

(02:05:31):
they're saying that I can't, but I got to do.
I got to get a letter from a doctor to
send it them in order to get the fifty five
dollars back that you paid for the license. But I
got to turn around and got pay fifty dollars to
get back fifty five. For me to get a doctor
to pillow the letter, it's going to cost me fifty dollars.
So either way, I'm going to be in the loss

(02:05:52):
I get, you know, I get loose fifty dollars get
back fifty five.

Speaker 2 (02:05:55):
What's the fifty dollars charge for? You have to pay
fifty dollars to apply for a refund from a license
you can't use.

Speaker 14 (02:06:01):
In order for me to get back to fifty five
dollars that you paid for the license, I got to
get a doctor developed the form for me to send
to corner book. Right, Okay, it's going it's going to
cost me fifty dollars forget that favorite villain by the doctor.
So there with the government we got in now, I
like to see them change it. I mean, you your

(02:06:24):
home sick, you're gonna get it and get a fiech
or something like that. Somebody else can eat your peach
for you. So boy, can't they do the same thing
for the moose? License. Yeah, either way, I'm gonna either way,
I'm gonna be oot money.

Speaker 2 (02:06:36):
And when you think about it, one step further is
how many people who go into the lottery to get
a moose license are lucky enough to get one and
then want to give it back. They applied because they
wanted the moose lecense. If you can't go for whatever reason,
it's hard to be hard to think or feel that
someone's trying to scan the government. How do you do
is give the license back in the refund, They'll give
it to the next person who's waiting just so exactly exactly.

Speaker 14 (02:06:59):
Yeah, but like I said, for me now to get
back that fifty five dollars that she paid, I got
to spend fifty dollars to a doctor for to get
a litter filling. So which to me it doesn't make sense. Well, yeah,
that one, but I like to see it change, you know,
just the way they get the fish for. You know,
you can go to a doctor, get a letter, and
you go and keeps you gets your five fiche every

(02:07:20):
day that you're allowed to go out for this person
to get the gang get aboard the board. Yeah, that's right,
you know, I might waiting then upol right now, I
mean I'm that's when I'm working. Well, I might try,
but I mean if you only get matter of fivery
days or might week or old if but also got
left so you know, I'm I'm going to lose this money.
I mean either way, I got to lose fifty dollars

(02:07:41):
to get back fifty five.

Speaker 2 (02:07:45):
Oh man, what a tangle is so unnecessary beating. I'm
really sorry to hear about your wife and our status
are today. And it's just frustrating that while you're dealing
with this and the sadness and anxiety because with it,
you got to consider losing money or paying money as
opposed to just the government saying here's the giving the

(02:08:05):
license and here's your money back and let's all move on.
But of course, dealing with the government is never that.
It's simple.

Speaker 10 (02:08:12):
No, that's for sure.

Speaker 14 (02:08:13):
You no, I guarantee it. Well, I don't know this
new government we got Tony waken my good last thing,
do something about it. Not only for me, there's a
lot of people workers in my situation, and there's a
lot of people get a license, can't get it good?
So why not that's someone kill it?

Speaker 2 (02:08:27):
Roll makes all the sense in the world to me, Beaten.
I'll let you get back to your wife. I appreciate
your time and your concern here this morning.

Speaker 14 (02:08:35):
Thank you very much, my friend.

Speaker 2 (02:08:36):
Take good care. Bye bye, yeah, bye bye. Yeah. You
think about it. So people go through the process of
getting into the moose's license lottery, lucky enough to get one.
Unfortunately things change, they're unable to go out and get
their animal. They didn't apply for the license for a lark,
and nor did they try to scam the government. Things change,
and so I mean, there's obviously someone out there who

(02:08:59):
didn't get their license who would love to have Beatn's
wife's license. But no, we're gonna make a man make
an appointment at the doctor, which is hard enough for
the first place, to prove that his wife is dying,
so that someone else can hunt and get a moose.
Harry us checking in on the Twitter box. We're a
VOSM openline. You know what to do. You can follow us.
Therea suggestions feedback of which we get plenty. Also in

(02:09:20):
the email inbox, it's open LANAFOSM dot com. Plenty of
stuff rolling in here today. I purposely brought up a
couple of topics off the top, which I know are
emotional and they bring forth some pretty stirring opinions, but
that's nature of the beast. And like Kyle one of
the first callers there this morning, Mitch, the fact that
he was a bit nervous to even speak to the issue,
and in this case it was immigration. Look, we can

(02:09:42):
have the conversations here on the show. The ones that
we avoid are generally the most complicated and also probably
the most important ones, So we can do that. I'm
away tomorrow, but we will indeed pick up this conversation
again tomorrow morning with a guest host right here on
VOCM and big landfm's Open Line. I'm behalf of the
producer David Williams. I'm your ho Patty Daily. Have yourself
a safe, fun, happy day, talk in the morning. Bye

(02:10:03):
bye

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