Tuesday Oct 28th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line call seven oh nine two seven,
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necessarily those of this station. The biggest conversation in Newfoundland
and Labrador starts now Here's VOCM Open Line host Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Tuesday, October
the twenty eighth. This is open Line. I'm your host
Patty Daily, David Williams, He's produced the program. Let's get
it going. If you're in the Saint John's metro region.
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eight five ninety VOCM, which is eighty six twenty six.
All right. On this date in history, twenty fifteen, the
longest first game of Baseball's World Series five hours and
nine minutes and joint longest way inn. It's fourteen. The
Kansas City of ROYLDS beat the New York My five
to four, and as they say, hold my beer. I
don't know how many people stayed up to watch the

(01:05):
Jay's game. I'm not very bright, so I did. It
was a movie. I mean, that was a wild baseball game.
People will tag it as iconic or whatever the case
may be. There'd be lots of questions about umpiring, which
is sometimes a bit of vague fools eron, but just
get a load of some of these numbers. So last night,
of course, the Doctors beat the Blue Jays six' five
in eighteen. Innings so the ballgame goes eighteen. Innings it

(01:27):
took six hours and thirty nine. Minutes there were six
hundred and nine pitches, thrown one hundred and thirty at,
bats nineteen, pitchers five home. Runs Shoey otani is a,
nuisance but probably the very best baseball player of all,
time certaly on the pathway to become. That so last
Night he's first four at, bats double home, run double home,
run and then he got five. Walks he was on
base nine times last, night nine. Times the record prior

(01:50):
to that was Six o'tani out there nine. Times maybe
just maybe you shouldn't throw to. Him And Freddie, freeman
who Many canadians will appreciate not only a Future hall Of,
famer but he plays For canada in The World Baseball.
Classic but last night he became only the first player
In World series history with multiple walk off home runs
when he dumped one in the centerfield stands in the

(02:10):
bottom of the eighteenth. Inning AND i don't know what
the status Of George springer, is but that looked like
it could be a problem For springer into the. Future
you want to talk about, baseball, sure they, say going
Into game, three when it's tied one to, one the
Winner game three goes on to win sixty eight point
nine percent of the time win the. Series the series
is going to be pretty bizarre from here on. End

(02:31):
when the ball hit hit the stands in center field last,
night less than eighteen hours before the first Pitch game
fourd who gets the ball for The. Dodgers, oh, towny all,
right let's move. On let's talk a little housing for
starters if you live in the east end Of Saint
John's and not to be towny, centric but the city
council tonight is going to consider an application for a

(02:53):
proposed massive development on the old Bally haley. Side people
in the area have some feelings about.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
It.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Now of, course the concept Of nimbia always pops up and,
hey that's my neck of the woods, Too SO i have.
Questions not only is it a massive green space that
will be, LOST i don't know how much green space
will be. Protected and, yes we understand we need to
build homes in this city and in this province and
in this, country but what that's going to look like
into the. Future let's, see it's already pretty busy traffic.

(03:20):
Wise so if we're talking about somewhere in the neighborhood of
one thousand units in, there that's What i'm. Hearing i'll
get a detailed look at a little bit later this
afternoon after happening that. Maybe but if you're in the
east dend of town and you want to tackle that,
somewhat let's do. It when they were dismantling and destroying
the holes Oils esquizoni and the old nurses residents at
The grace and people thought, about you, know as, bestos

(03:42):
and in this, site people will be asking questions about
the amount of chemicals that have been dumped into the
ground to maintain it as a golf. Course and this
one here will cause my skin to, crawl IS i
tell you? What since the golf course became just an
empty field and stands of. Trees WHEN i walked through
the last, time there was thousands of rat, boroughs quite

(04:05):
evident plain to. See so when we talk about trying
to deal with the rodent infestation inside buildings before they're,
demolished how about that property that is going to be
a very tall task as opposed to a contained site
like a building that's going to see a wrecking. Ball
that Bally haley site is absolutely. Infested you want to
take it on from any. Angle let's go all, right

(04:27):
let's talk about the role of innovation in. Housing we've
seen all the numbers about how many homes need to
be built in this, province how many homes need to
be built across the. Country but here's some interesting numbers to,
consider and this comes from The council Of Canadian. Innovators
they have a new publisher Called building At. Scale maybe
we'll try to get someone On. Dave all, Right canada
already has the fused homes per resident of ANY g seven.

(04:48):
Country construction productivity has. Plummeted we now build twenty five
percent fewer homes per worker than before the. Pandemic each
our construction work adds less than fifty bucks of the,
economy down from six the bucks just five years. Ago
now on the skilled trade, front with one in five
construction workers now sixty five years of age and over
a looming shortfall of five hundred thousand workers by twenty,

(05:10):
thirty it's going to be hard to build our way
out of the crisis with those numbers and what's looming
right in front of us all, right. Opportunity massive mass
timber construction can cut bill times by twenty percent and
emissions up to seventy five. Percent sweden already produces fifteen
hundred apartments annually from one singular modular. Plant canada is

(05:30):
the world's largest exporter of force, products and they say
that we can build a pardonly a build a billion
dollar mass timber industry by twenty, thirty capture twenty five
percent of global. Demand only twenty five percent Of canadian
firms report strong technology. Adoption so there's going to be
potential conflicts inside the world of modular homes and tiny
homes and building for density as opposed to building. Out

(05:53):
but the innovative approach is going to have to be
part of. It If sweden can produce fifteen hundred apartments
annually from one modular. Plant there's got to be something,
too obviously proximity to the plant when we talk about
emissions and we talk about. Efficiency but there's some interesting,
numbers as provided by The council Of Canadian innovators about
where we can go where we probably should go regarding

(06:15):
the need to build all these units across the. Country
and speaking of that in this world is transitional housing
that would be notably the Comfort in formerly the Comfort.
In you, KNOW i haven't seen a real solid update
recently about how many people have actually been transitioned out
into housing outside the Comfort, in maybe back into the,
workforce wrapper out supports for their addiction or mental health.

(06:37):
Concerns but then there's a little bit question about what
happens after the three year lease because the company that
owned it has sold, it so we really don't know
exactly what the future holds, there but it'd be nice
to get an. Update and also for people in the
area who live in the. Area initially there was plenty
of concerns about, crime and then there was enhanced, patrols

(06:58):
we were told by THE r AND. C so if
you'd like to bring us your perspective about what you
see and any comments about transitional, housing whether we're on
the right, track thoughts about elease versus then actual purchase
of the building with some control for the government into the.
Future be good to have you on sticking with. Housing you,
know we've heard From Mike, murray Retired Crown, prosecutor talking

(07:20):
about The Saint John's, act which governs provincial legislation that
governs The city Of Saint john's in large, part and
it's the conversation about trap, houses drug, houses dens of.
INEQUITY i know that's not how you say, it BUT
i did it on. Purpose so there's a lot of
splitting of hairs. Here no one is suggesting that whether
it be The city Of Saint john's or other larger

(07:41):
municipalities with by law enforcement, officers we're not suggesting that
they make their way into these trap houses to make.
Arrests but we are asking The city Of Saint, john's
certainly the residents of neighborhoods that are plagued with these trap,
houses to do everything possible inside your authority afford it
to you by provincial legislation to play a more active role,

(08:04):
here and they can and they. Should SO i hear
the stories all the time about whether it be the,
prostitution the, drugs the violence that happens in these, neighborhoods
all because there's one of these trap houses in. Play
add to, that the landlord's play a role here, Too
so it's law enforcement, obviously but let's do everything possible

(08:24):
to get some sort of control over these things because
they're completely out of. Control just imagine living one of these,
neighborhoods and any neighborhood might be the next one that
faces this type of social and criminal. Problem so if
you want to bring, forward let's go sticking with it
in a somewhat of a similar. Vein be nice to
get some feedback from people in the province about from

(08:45):
posed legislation regarding criminal justice in this, country different setting
of bail, conditions more harsher sentences for a variety of different.
Arenas but also what we're going to need the federal
government to do is when we have the catchphrases of
jail not, bail, well we don't even track how many
people who have been out on, bail regardless of the
conditions of their, bail go on to reoffend or to

(09:07):
commit another crime while on. Bail that would be pretty helpful.
Information also in this province talking about conditions of bail
is the ankle monitoring. Program The liberals did propose to expand,
it they didn't act on. It but now we need
to also know some numbers about ankle monitoring and how
many people offend while wearing an ankle. Monitor we have

(09:29):
some numbers From. MANITOBA i wonder how they are reflected
in this, province but let's put them out. There according
to The Justice minister Of, manitoba this is this, year
five hundred and thirty people were released through the program
up To october the. Sixteenth of, those two hundred and
forty three were rearrested for breaches of conditions or new.

(09:51):
Crimes fifty three removed the advice and, fled sixteen damaged the,
strap and twelve just let the battery. Die that's making
up over sixty percent of the. Total so those are
the kinds of numbers that we really need to have
in hand so that we can do. Better because it's
A gps monitoring system and if you go somewhere or
in close proximity to some where you're not supposed to,
go there could be vibrations and actual audio commands to

(10:14):
stop and or allowed alerts that are. Offered so let's get
some of these numbers, province while for every, province and
let's get some national numbers so that strategies like new,
legislation which is still going to have to pass the
sniff test offered by the court system and generally, speaking
is probably going to go to The Supreme, court just
like it did when Then Prime Minister Stephen harper proposed

(10:36):
very similar legislation and it got struck down it was deemed.
Unconstitutional but that's some interesting numbers coming From. Manitoba sixty
percent of folks out wearing AN accle monitor either committed
another crime or. Fled so anyway you want to talk about,
it we can do. It and we could probably do
a little better on all of these fronts if we
did better in the COUNTRY'S k to twelve system and

(10:58):
specifically or the PRE k to twelve. System and let's
talk about this problems whether or not it was a necessary.
Exercise it's a cry and shame that The Education court
is now wonder a careful, review which it should have
been in the first. Place lots of important recommendations inside
this eighteenth month exercise that resulted in a ten year
roadmap to improve and to modernize the province's education. System

(11:21):
but there it, is and it's just going to be
reviewed and even when it comes out of said review
to ensure that it's all very factual and double and triple.
Check has the damage been? Done very likely people that
have spoken with, me and of course that's not scientific
sony anecdotal people when they heard the story that there
was all these as many as fifteen fictational, citations they, thought,

(11:44):
well there goes the credibility and that is a massive.
Problem so if you want to take it on that,
front let's go sick with education is a pledge made
By Premier Designate Tony wakem on the campaign. Trailer no
speaking of designates and members. Elect so there's a process
to get the government sworn. In, Right so here's what it.

(12:05):
Is there's got to be an official, count which happened
On october. Seventeenth then there's got to be twelve days
that passed before the return of all the. Writs then
the official election results will be. Published we anticipate that's
going to happen On, Friday So friday is the earliest
day that we might see the government and all themha is sworn.
In but we don't need to hold our breath quite
yet because we don't know when the swearing in is

(12:26):
going to take. Place and then the pressure to follow
through around. Promises and there's some big. Ones this one's
about post secondary and there was a pledge made By
premiergizing To Tony wakem to return tuition. Fees i'm not
entirely sure of every working detail in this particular, pledge
but the bare bones were tuition refunds to students who,

(12:48):
graduate work and live in this province and of course
paid work. TERMS i reviewed tuition fees At Memorial university
And college of The North. Atlantic so the tot pledge
added up to about sixteen point two million dollars in
what they call the graduate tuition refund. Program all, right international,
students are they going to be? REFUNDED i GUESS i

(13:09):
could probably go and read it a little bit more
carefully and just look at the disparity between who pays
what to Attend Memorial university in, Particular New month students
From canada six, thousand seven hundred and fifty bucks for
tuition per. Semester as of the fall twenty twenty, five
international students pay twenty two five hundred dollars per semester
and they don't even have access to federal or provincial

(13:30):
government student. Loans at The college of The North atlantic
students full time domestic full time students pay just over
thousand dollars per. Semester international students four hundred and eighty
four dollars per. Semester so that's a very welcome pledge
from mister wakem for all these students who are currently
in the system and about to enter the system because

(13:51):
that tuition refund AND i guess there's some meridian saying
if you graduate and you stay here and work, here
then you pee could be eligible for that set. Refund
but that's a big one AND i think probably a
little bit more complicated than we understand at this moment in.
Time but let's talk about. It last one when it
comes to, schools and it's not necessarily just a specific education,

(14:13):
story but it's that and it's organized. Labor. Okay so
you've seen probably seen what's going on in the province Of.
Alberta so now the government is going to legislate, folks
back to, work all the teachers back to work by.
Tomorrow bill, two The back To School. Act, okay so
not only force and striking teachers back to work as

(14:35):
early as, tomorrow but they're also involking the notwith standing.
Clause and what that means that it shields us back
to work legislation from any court challenges for the duration
of the four year, contract the last contract that the
government proposed to the province's, teachers of WHICH i think
there's something like fifty one thousand teachers In. Alberta another
one of the complicating problems during this process is there's

(14:58):
all sorts of legislative tools that are availed to, governments
but when the tools are used to stifle, debate like
what happened on all three stages of debate for this particular,
bill it's a. PROBLEM i, mean just look what's happening
in the country regarding organized labor and different, governments provincial
and the federal. Government people have their own thoughts on

(15:19):
the role and the place for unions in this, country
but the numbers in twenty twenty three still represent a
significant amount of the population of the working population five
point three Million canadians worked in a unionized workforce and
they were abiding by collective bargaining the. Agreements so that's
over thirty percent of the workforce of the entire. Country
so it's a lot product sector versus private. Sector in

(15:41):
the public, sector employees are five times more likely to
be governed by a collective. Agreement in the private, sector
what part of, me the product sector about seventy six
point seven percent in twenty twenty, three private sector about
fifteen point five. Percent so we're still talking about a
huge number of people who are working in this country
abiding by or working under a collective bargaining. Agreement but

(16:01):
add to It section one oh seven that's been utilized
by the federal. Government you know the circumstances Here canada post,
employees rail, employees port. Employees so the relation between governments
and labor is changing. Dramatically and if you speak with
people in organized, labor they'll suggest it's for the worst

(16:23):
and they are not pleased with the current situation and
looking into the, future additional. Worries they're your. Thoughts all,
right let's get a couple more before we get to.
You i'm going to say good morning to the good
folks over at The Eating Disorder. Foundation they remind us
that it was just nineteen years ago we did not
have an adult eating disorder treatment program. Period it's just

(16:44):
since twenty eighteen that the sole patient inputs, unit in
patient unit with specialized treatment, opened just those several years.
Ago then they want to talk about the gaps of public.
Knowledge people still some people still think that an eating
disorder is a. Choice it's a mental. Disorder it's not a.
Choice so when we add to the envelope of mental health,

(17:06):
concerns mental, illness, concerns access to, treatment same thing with.
Addictions there's a lot to be considered. Here people still
think eating disorders are just for teenage. Girls that's not it.
Either it's young, girls young, boys young, women young, men older,
women older. Men it can strike right across the gamut of.
Society some of the things that they suggest you should

(17:28):
keep an eye for unusual weight, changes obviously irregular or missed,
periods avoiding eating in, public excessive, exercising, tiredness withdrawal from
friends or, family stunted. Growth they talk about how many
new cases they see per. Year any given, year they
see an average of one hundred new, families so have

(17:49):
this awareness campaign making its way across the. Province Paul
toomey or anyone else from The Eating Disorder foundation is
welcome to join us because knowledge is, power and understanding
what is happening in the world of eating disorders and
access to treatment and some of the warning, SCIENCE i
think is a pretty important conversation your. Thoughts let's go
To labrador for a couple of quick. Ones so The

(18:10):
fox And Happy valley goosebe certainly in the media and
in my email inbox they are stressed. OUT i, mean
there's lots of concerns that face the residents Of Happy Valley,
goosepey but in this case it's about four fires that
were started within a span of just a few hours
on this Past friday, night and of course it's suspected.
Arson so if you're In Happy, Valley, goosepey you'd like

(18:32):
to chime, in please. Do THE rcnp are, investigating and
we're told THE rcnp continue to investigate what sparked the
North shore, fire The kingston, fire and if you're a residence,
there they still tell me via email all the time
about the anxiety and the worry of access to funds
whether it be, federally, provincially how or where to, rebuild

(18:53):
what that's going to look like in the. Future so
that's a conversation to be had to last couple In.
Labrador so there's obviously lots of real forceful effort out
there on either side of the vote this week over
the out of court settlement proposed by Hydro quebec to
make the inter nation hole in this regarding The Upper,

(19:14):
churchill SO i hear so many people just leaning in
on hard on one number eighty seven million dollars over
the course of fifteen, years which does not sound like a,
lot but that's only a small portion of the compensation
that's on the. Table three percent dividend into the future
as long as the river, flows as long as they're
producing power at The Upper churchile can add up to
in excess with two billion. Dollars SO i apparently there's

(19:37):
some pretty significant effort on the ground to convince people
one way or the. Other and Hydro kubec has been
in the area as. Well you got to imagine there's
every now and then floating ideas of Gall island and
to develop goal into the. Future and, yes we can
talk about The Upper Churchial memorandum Of understanding and you know,
me we can talk about anything that you're interested. In
right after the, break let's check in On twitter WHERE

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vosm up. Online you can follow us. There email addresses
OPEN onofiocm dot. COM i, know out of the corner
of my eye is what about? Trade what about The
prime minister's trip To asia and or relationship with The United.
States we can talk about all that pretty important. Stuff
just take a, break don't go. Away welcome back to the.
Show let's go to line number. One, datra you're on the.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Air, Hi, patty thanks for taking my call. TODAY i
wanted to call in to provide you with an. UPDATE
i called in Last thursday and we had a discussion
about a CANCER pati who was effectively stuck at the
Carbon Air hospital without any, answers without any information or
indeed a.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Path a clear path to go.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Forward and this person's, family as we talked, about had
to take to social media for.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Support so.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
After that, call later that, AFTERNOON i went out to
the Carbon Air. HOSPITAL i met with the, FAMILY i
met with the on call management and the staff. There of,
course it was after four so on site doctors and
regular staff are gone for the day at that. Point
but the point of being there is to understand effectively
what was going. On AND i just want to, say

(21:08):
fabulous attentive nursing staff out. There they are punching above
their weight and going above and. Beyond but when we
talked On, THURSDAY i, mean one of the first QUESTIONS
i had was why didn't this person get transferred? Immediately
why was this person at the facility for ten days
at that point waiting for? Answers and at that point

(21:31):
On thursday WHEN i was, there the issue was bed
availability at The Health Sciences center in. Oncology NOW i
Didn't i'm not a doctor of. Medicine i'm a doctor
of philosophy or a PhD for anybody who cares about those.
Things BUT i can tell you that as soon AS
i saw this person and the stress is family was

(21:53):
under but the person, themselves it was clear to me
that they required immediate. Care it was astounding that they
had to wait that long and.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
There was a need for immediate.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Action, so you, know when we, talked we talked about you,
know outreach to individuals and people getting involved and you,
know patient, advocacy you, know that's what began after, that you.
Know so we did correspondence with the facility, director correspondence
with folks at The Health Science, center including the assigned.
Doctor we reached out to the office of The Premier

(22:28):
designate and the former health critic to say this needs
to be dealt with, immediately and the end resolution was
that On friday, afternoon the person was notified in the family.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
That there was a bed available and they would.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Be transferred On saturday, morning which did, happen and cancer
treatment began. Immediately it should never have rolled out this.
Way it's just complete system.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
FAILURE i guess the good news is that finally came
to a, Resolution but you, KNOW i believe part of
the conversation we had On thursday is that there was
still just so many linkering questions as to why what's going,
on as opposed to just clear, Answer we wish we
could help you, today but there's no better and or
no staff available to open up a bed for you

(23:16):
at this. Time so WHEN i hear healthcare conversation concerns
is generally because of the silence versus some of the
answers they've been given or the lack they're off.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Without, it without a, Doubt and just for, listeners there
is a story In Salt water this morning about the
very issue by a Journalist Cameron, kilfoy which outlines exactly
what you're talking about, there.

Speaker 8 (23:38):
And you, know speaks to the issue.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
And the, silence the lack of, communication the lack of,
resources the lack of support for staff who are in.
Situ you, know, confusion you know all of the things
that are going. On but while this is all going,
on people are, suffering as your listeners well, know and
many have called in. About in, fact many have talked
about even after the call On. Thursday you, know this

(24:03):
is this is not. Okay like we go into these
systems expecting care and the proper, care AND i feel
like a broken, record and no doubt you probably do as,
well and yet it is not.

Speaker 7 (24:15):
Happening it is just.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
And then you know people are stuck in bureaucracy, completely
and then you know the only offer of help for
them in some instances is a virtual appointment or virtual.
Care you, know you can't treat someone. Virtually this person
could not be seen. Virtually AS i said to the assigned,

(24:36):
doctor somebody needs to lay eyes on this person and
isn't that what medicine is all. ABOUT i, mean you,
know some of these bigger questions to. It you, know
what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Here this is. Bananas we're certainly coming up, short and
Again i'll be worn up at the Time i'm done
with this. Job we're not saying exactly.

Speaker 9 (24:56):
This.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Politicians people are working at bi positions in, healthcare, education
whatever we're talking, about Marine, atlantic whatever people want to point.
To just give people. Answers it doesn't matter if they
like the. Answers it doesn't matter if that's the answer
they want or. Not we do a lot better. Business
we call them a lot of frayed nerves if we
just answer some questions and being constant and consistent communication

(25:18):
with people who have these legitimate answers are part of
me legitimate. Questions so Again i'll be worn out saying
it BUSH i.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Know and part of it, is you, know just for
the EXAMPLE i, mentioned you, know after four, o'clock regular
staff aren't. There you can't speak to. Management so if
you're coming into an emergency room outside Of metro perhaps
And i'm only speaking to now this particular, hospital and
AS i, said this is Not i'm not throwing shade
on people who are working in the. System everybody is

(25:45):
stuck in a. Situation but if you go to an
emergency room outside Of metro after four, o'clock there may
or may not be a doctor on call. There there
may or may not be management to help you. Out
so even if you're looking for answers or waiting for,
answers or been waiting all day after doctors have done
their rounds and you're, thinking, oh maybe they're going to
come back and it's four, thirty no they're.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
Not they're not.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
There SO i don't know if people know that as.
Well and you, know we found this out within ten
minutes of being. There oh, okay, well so we shouldn't
really expect any answers after four, pm you, know solid,
answers you. Know so that's another challenge for people in terms, of,
okay what should our expectations be at any given point

(26:30):
in the day when we're trying to manage these.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Systems, yeah AND i guess you know that brings forward
and whether or not this could be applied right across
every illness or ailment is the system is, complicated and you,
know not everyone has an advocate or a champion in
their corner who can do the quote unquote fighting on their.
Behalf so like in portions of the, system you get
access to a patient navigator or a healthcare ambassador soon

(26:53):
to set expectations for, you someone to help you navigate the,
system someone to point you two exactly who you should
be asking or questions, of because not every nurse on
the floor has got answers to the, big long, term
complicated questions that's some people. Have so helping folks navigate
the system because your mental well being is part of your.
Recovery your mental well being is a big part of

(27:14):
the role your family can play in your recovery and
to keep you calm and to keep the healthcare system.
Focused so let's help people navigate what is a very,
tricky complicated system in the first, place because it could
start with a blood test and the next thing you, know
you're in front of a, specialist and the pathway between
the two is not a straightforward to some people who
are led.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
To believe without a, DOUBT i completely, agree AND i
know you had a caller On thursday who spoke precisely
to that, point and that definitely needs to be something
that is in the interim or maybe over the long,
term and absolute necessity because you, know people are in
all kinds of situations and are also too stressed to

(27:53):
even though the right questions to. Ask and that's an
important piece as. WELL i, Mean i'm so glad that
this point that the person did get in and receive
is receiving the care that they. Need But i'm also
hopeful that there's also an opportunity. Here and you, KNOW
i left that call On thursday saying we need to speak,

(28:13):
up we need to speak up, more we need to
reach out to others who can speak up on our.
Behalf AND i do believe there's an opportunity now with
a change in government to try to address, this because you,
know our systems have been in decline and they need
dire attention so that people can actually be appropriately cared.
For and if we can move that needle a, bit

(28:35):
and it is my understanding that it is one of
the main objectives of this new, government then that is
exactly what we need to.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Do appreciate the time and the updates. Theatres thank, you
thanks so.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Much have a great morning there.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Now you, too by Bye Goyd. Bye, yeah that's a
pretty common story out, THERE i would suggest now based
on a call, yesterday a lady called and asked me
whether or not she was going to have to sell
her home before she got into a senior's. Home the
answer is. No and so someone provided me the news
story link from back at twenty. Eighteen i'm just going
to put it out there because apparently there's a lot

(29:06):
of confusion out on that. Front in twenty, eighteen they
changed the rules and it started On november first of that.
Year liquid asset testing would be and is. Eliminated so
all of this now is just based on your. Income
back in the, day you had to provide proof of
all cash in your bank, account any investments that could
be converted to, cash you, know ursps and. Otherwise now

(29:27):
they just go to The Canada Revenue agency and your
stated income the revenue the income that you have is
the only test that has to be. Applied they don't
get to ask you what you might have stowed. Away you,
know if you keep your home and you're, rented that's,
income so that'll be included and. Considered but if you've
got some cash that you're sitting, on you've got other
assets that are not producing revenue or income for you,

(29:50):
today it's not part of the. Test it's simply income
as stated in your tax. Return so when we had that,
call had a bunch of emails in are you sure that's,
right because that's a worried that my parents. Have so
the rules changed in twenty eighteen and for the. Best you,
know just imagine all of the documentation and paperwork and
effort you'd have to put in if you had to

(30:10):
prove every single asset under the sun that you or
your spouse or your partner or your family, have as
opposed to simply what your income. Is so it's probably
a very wide change that happened back at twenty. Eighteen
let's take a. BREAK i when we come, back tons
of time left for. You don't. Away welcome back to the.
Show let's go to light number two and good, Morning
laura Bell, lemba you're on the. Air good, Morning, Patty

(30:34):
welcome to the.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
Show thank you so.

Speaker 9 (30:36):
Much so BEFORE i get into the reasons for, CALLING
i just wanted to congratulate the New premier Designate Tony
wakem on The conservative victory within the last pros in,
selection and also wanted to take a minute to think my,
volunteers and so you congratulate the other candidates who ran
in THE mapsi you're, writing you're, here so thank. You

(31:00):
but my reason for calling today IS i have a
little bit of a concern in terms of some of
the news that's been going around with the word That
Premier Designate Tony wakem is considering Hiring Steve outhouse for
their transition of government in the upcoming. Weeks and, so

(31:21):
as someone who has been on the doors in the
district Of Mount, zion just in the, province knowing that
our province is kind of in a pivotal moment right
now when it comes to, diversity in equity and inclusion
and kind of the sentiments the Progressive conservatives ran on
in this, province the word that he's considering hiring a

(31:44):
Mister outhouse causes a little bit of concern just in
terms of the things and policies That Minister outhouse has
been attached to throughout his political. Career So steve is
known for being primary secretary to Former premier Of New,
brunswick Mister higgs during the time when they had revisions

(32:06):
To policy seven, thirteen which was some work that protected
trans students and trans youth in terms of identifying within school.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
Communities he was also.

Speaker 9 (32:18):
Campaign manager For Danielle smith when she ran In, alberta
and we're seeing the piece what THE upc is.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Doing out In.

Speaker 9 (32:25):
Alberta and then he has also been chief of staff
For Pierre, polizier who has also been openly stating to
be ANTI dei and so those are kind of a
concern for, me especially as of our province is an
incredibly diverse.

Speaker 8 (32:38):
Place the people.

Speaker 9 (32:39):
In this province on a variety of, needs are people
whose views and identities do not seem to align with
the things Mister outhouse has been associated. With and so
it's a bit of a concern when the PC's here
who have progressive in their, name seemed to be wanting
someone to be on their transition staff who is open anti.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Progressive i've Seen i've seen that since been shared far and.
Wide and here's the question THAT i would have is
is Mister outhouse being hired so that his personal political
and religious views are imposed by the government or as
a well, LOOK i, Mean Steve outhouse been around a

(33:20):
long time and he's well regarded as a political operative
and that for some people that's an. Insult for some,
people it's a. Compliment but when you're trying to figure
out how to be in the position to, govern it's
a little bit more complicated than just moving your office
and your pens and your pads from the opposition office
to the government offices or in a cabinet minister's office
or up under the eighth. Floor so that's the question

(33:41):
THAT i would have from Mister, wakem is What Steve
outhouse's actual. Role is it the fundamental operational transition and
or is it some of the concerns that you brought,
forward Which i'm going to absolutely ask AS i should
when we finally get a chance to speak with soon
to Be Premier.

Speaker 9 (33:56):
Wakem so, yeah, no those are absolutely my scerns as,
well because even if you look at Mister outhouses like
social media LinkedIn he is political aptitude also seems to
be very closely tied with his social beliefs as, well
and if in any of the other governments he's been attached,
to they have seemed to work hand in hand into

(34:18):
creating less progressive spaces than all of those. Governments so
the bit of a concern of someone sitting in this
province who wants to see this province do, well wants
to see all people from all walks of life.

Speaker 8 (34:28):
And this province do.

Speaker 9 (34:28):
Well and then as A dei consultant myself is a
little hesitant as to where the border the line will
be drawn on political aptitude and ability to help a government,
transition and where his personal and social beliefs will tie
into policy creation that outcurs already in this.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Province there's a few. Things so the Whole dei conversation
is really quite tedious when people are just in such
a massive off roar about. It you, know we got
to think this through a little bit clearer and a
little bit. Broader is to suggest that it is built
in problematic and anti white is a little BIT i think,

(35:08):
exaggerated and it's exaggerated for political, purposes not for actual policy.
Purposes you. Know the implication there is that when the
hiring practices and appointment practices were what they were over
most of modern, centuries then the assertion there is that
it is clearly the only bright person for the, job
the only person qualified for the, job the perfect candidate
for the job was always the white, guy which obviously

(35:30):
doesn't make any. Sense so if we set quotas and
targets that must be abided, by then it's just like
a firmative. Faction it can go too. Far it can
go too far in so far as how the pendulum.
Swings it can go too far with inside of being
handcuffed in appointment and hiring. Practices but to pretend that
we don't have the necessity to ensure that everybody has

(35:52):
an equal or an equitable crack at an appointment or
to be, hired we're kind of betraying the entirety of the.
Community so look gets some infirmative, faction they can start
working against all, communities including like if we look at
The United States Black, america at some, point the majority
Of Black americans thought that it was actually hampering, them
whether it be admission to university or getting a job

(36:13):
or being appointed to a. Board so we have to be,
careful but we also have to be honest and mature
how we talk about these, things because it's not as
cotton dry as what someone that you like or believe
in or trust On facebook.

Speaker 9 (36:24):
Had to say yes, Absolutely AND i don't think if
anyone looks at WHAT dei actually is supposed to stand
for it's not anti white in any. CAPACITY dei encompasses
a lot of different. Fields they're twenty seven different metrics
to MEASURE. Dei so anything from, gender sexual, orientation economic,
status education, status all those things fall INTO. Dei so

(36:46):
people seem to point it with a VERY i would,
say not a broad, brush but a very two dimensional way.

Speaker 8 (36:55):
Of what actually gets.

Speaker 9 (36:56):
Encompassed and what IS deidi is everyone and, anyone depending
on what is leading in the current.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Society Laura, BELLE i appreciate your, time AND i think
the entirety of the, electorate SO i guess the population
at large and all the. Media let's we're all anxious
to get an opportunity to speak with Mister, wakeman because
nobody's heard anything since the acceptance. Speech same thing For
John hogan in the concession. Speech it's been pretty quiet
out around that, front and yet you called it a pivotal.
Time it absolutely. Is so let's get the governments for and.

(37:27):
In let's ask questions about the, future and let's ask
the liberals about where rebuild and all the types of
things that are the quite obvious questions and the concerns
we need to. Navigate appreciate your time this. Morning thanks
for the.

Speaker 10 (37:37):
Call thank you so. Much, Freddy you're.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Welcome bye. Bye all, right let's see. Here what's this?
Okay So tom from The hub sent me. NOTICES i
don't know if they've, mentioned but patients are coming to
the hub in droves thinking that it's the new abilatory,
clinic The Abilatory Healthcare, hub which is the Old costco.
Building it's The. Banger it's not at the. Hub so

(38:00):
The hub has obvious services that you might need to avail.
Ve but if you're looking for the new ambulatory, hub
that's On Stavanger drive at The, costco not at The.
Hub let's take a, break don't go, away welcome back
to the. Show let's go to line number. Three Sake
moore To Ivy. Hanley Ivy hanley ran in the most
Recent Saint john's municipal, election taking On Danny breen for
the mayor's, chair and she joins us online number. Three good, Morning,

(38:21):
ivy are on the.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
Air, hi good, morning how are You?

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Patty that's?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Bad how about you?

Speaker 7 (38:26):
GREAT i just wanted to call in for two. Things
one was to thank everyone that voted for. Me obviously
it was a wild election and as a first time
political candidate to receive forty three percent of the. VOTE
i can't say thank you enough to everyone that took
the time to go out and, vote AS i know
some of the votes took a few hours to wait
in line on that. Day and the big THING i

(38:49):
want to say is THAT i know that people's votes
is an, investment AND i understand THAT i represent that,
investment And i'm not going. ANYWHERE i absolutely love the.
CITY i live, HERE i own businesses, here AND i
want it to. Flourish SO i will be running in
the next municipal election. Whenever that, is if it's four
years from now or two years from.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Now running your capacity run for the mayor's share, AGAIN
i will be.

Speaker 7 (39:16):
YES i can't because of my belief in the system
and to create the biggest change, possible WHICH i believe
our city. NEEDS i cannot run for council and be
sucked into the political bureaucracy that lives down. THERE i
prefer IF i am going to be stepping away from my,

(39:36):
businesses which is you, know that is my life at this,
TIME i would like to work full time make a
massive change in the shortest amount of. Time i'm not
looking to be a career. Politician that's not WHO i.
Am i'm looking to make the changes that are needed
in the, city, like for, example with what you were

(39:57):
talking about this morning with three seven five and the
political avoidance that is happening on the issue of trap.
Houses it astounds me that we're still dealing with.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Before we get into that which is obviously important to
so many neighborhoods here in the. City it's not for
me to characterize the result in your challenge Against Mayor,
breen and of course he is victorious SPOT i mean
fifty six point seven percent for, him forty three point
twenty FIVE i think percent for. You would you characterize
that AS i, mean we all know that you didn't,

(40:28):
win but is that a successful outcome where you surprised
or are you? Encouraged how do you label the?

Speaker 7 (40:33):
RESULT i would label it with two, words the ones
that you just, used surprised and. Encouraged i'm encouraged that
the city obviously wants. Change forty three percent of the
vote is nothing to. Ignore that is a massive amount
of the vote to, say you, know almost half wants
change at this. Time surprised is due to the fact

(40:55):
that we felt a higher percent of support leading up
to the, election but we also respect the democratic. Process,
now that doesn't Mean i'm not going to look for
changes in the election the way they run the elections
in The city Of Saint. John's it's SOMETHING i will
be speaking to council, WITH i will be, requesting And
i'll be putting it on social media as. WELL i

(41:18):
do not feel an hour to an hour and a
half waiting in line to vote is acceptable in our.
City it's hard enough to get people out to. Vote
if you're making it more difficult with not enough polling,
stations you're not going to have a big voter, turnout
which we had the lowest voter turnout since the, FIFTIES i,
think and that's a horrifying, thing you. Know SO i

(41:41):
do think that we can change a bit of the
way they run the elections and we can have a
higher turnout in the. Vote And i'm sad a lot
of the votes got lost in the. Mail we all
know that.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Absolutely so for, me, first we have to modernize the voter's,
LIST i, mean because it just doesn't make any. SENSE
i tell the same story BECAUSE i think it paints
a very clear. Picture husband and wife living in the
home have been there for a. Decade their two adult
children have moved. Out the past owners of the home
got a ballots enter that. Address there's two people living
there that they had seven. BALLOTS i, mean let's just

(42:12):
not have that happen into the. Future AND i know
there's advance opportunities and there was drop off, locations but
even if we formalize it with more than one voting,
day LIKE i know advanced, polls some people take, advantage
LIKE i dropped my ballot at The Paul Reynolds center
at my, Convenience but some sort of procedural change to
encourage more or to reduce the level of apathy that's
out because the voter turnout both, provincially federally and municipally

(42:36):
were pathetic.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
It.

Speaker 7 (42:39):
Is and they use the excuse, that, well we do
mail in ballots and that counts as the advanced. Poll
well that didn't work when you have a. Strike your
advanced poll did not work because we had a mail.
Strike so we need to look at where the world is. Changing,
YES i do realize there's a lot of seniors not,
online but that's why you have to have a middle.
Ground so if you don't do. Mailing you do online,

(43:00):
voting which will encourage the younger generations to, vote which
is extremely. Important they are our. Future and also we
can do things Like Mount curl And paradise offer mobile
in person voting on the day. Of, so you, know
there's a lot of changes that can, happen and they
can use The act to do these changes the Current.
Act so it'll be interesting to see if they take

(43:23):
anybody up on the suggestions That i'm planning to send To.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Campbell, yeah fair. Enough we'll see where we go. THERE
i know you started talking trap. Houses why do we expound on?

Speaker 10 (43:32):
That, YEAH i just you.

Speaker 7 (43:35):
KNOW i read THE vocm article with the city's statements,
regarding you, know using the section That Mike, murray the
Retired Pround Cross pecuter mentioned here on the, show section
three seven to five to shut down the, houses and
WHAT i read was they just were focusing on ask
saying that the city cannot charge people in. Them we

(43:58):
know that nobody who's sending, in you, know these requests
for them to shut them, down wants them to charge
the residents in the houses for you, know selling drugs
or you, know creating the. Issue what they're asking for
is for them to shut them, down which they can
do easily if they focus on. That and once they

(44:20):
do the inspections in these, homes THE rnc can then
come in because they're going to see things they need
to call THE rnz. On and it's, just you, know
it's almost as if what really bothers, me and WHAT
i don't understand is that what does our city's legal
department know that a respected Retired crown prosecutor. Doesn't it

(44:42):
doesn't make sense to me because WHEN i read the
article with their statement on, It, patty there's nothing there
that says this is exactly. Why it just says we
cannot charge. People we know the city can't charge, people
but they can take away occupancy very. Easily i've experienced.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
It, yeah for, ME i spoke With Mike murray yesterday
on the. Program as a matter of, fact they just
cherry picked one portion of his comments and cherry picked
one portion of the act to, say, well we can't do.
This to your, point nobody suggested that someone after they
wrote a parking ticket On duckworth go To livingstone and
shut down a trap. House that's not what anybody. Said

(45:18):
there's a process, available they can take advantage of. It
and some counselors have said to, me both publicly and,
privately that they really think the city should and they absolutely.
Should so between the city's, authority the landlords, themselves law,
enforcement that's. PARTNERS i think we could do much better.

Speaker 7 (45:34):
And exactly and the one at the helm should be
the one pushing it because it's. Not you, know we've
all talked about how it's affecting our. Residents you, know our,
homeowners even people, renting they're scared to wait and sit
on their porch at. Night there are values that their
homes are going. DOWN i mean to look around The Gathering.
Glacier we have very nice homes around there and their

(45:55):
value is just. Dropping BUT i have another issue that
nobody's talking. About it's beyond the. Residents social media is
our world now and unless we embrace it and realize
that we're going to be. Behind and right now there's
videos of our city THAT i do not want out
there for our tourism industry to. See it's going to
negatively affect our beloved. Industry it brings in, money it

(46:19):
brings in income to our, city and it's so important to,
us and for us to have these videos of our
city going around on social, media it's a really scary
thing and we need to take it seriously and get
this all cleaned up and shut. Down we're not a large.
City when you look at the, world you know it
can be controlled if we're willing to make the. Moves

(46:41):
but we need someone at the helm that is willing
to step forward and you, know use the act to
its full. Advantage And i'm excited to, see you, know
what the city does over the next, year me.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Too as a residence and helping to stay here into
the long term. Future i'm with, You, ive you appreciate the.
Time congratulations on a good, Run stained, Touch thank you so.

Speaker 7 (47:02):
Much, patty you have a great day you.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Too. Byebye Ivy hanley ran Against Danny breen for the
mayor's chair here in The cities And john's how we
doing not, There? Dave all? Right so every now and,
then of, course because things floating on the side of my,
SCREEN i can't help but see them. Sometimes and it's
the same person that blisters me all the time about
the role of the media and. Propaganda and let's have

(47:28):
a little look at the world of media and social,
media because social media now has as big an impact
as any form of traditional, media maybe even more. So
think about. It the richest person on the planet Owns
twitter and handles it as if it's his own, background
his own. Playground the second richest person on the planet

(47:49):
is about to Buy, TikTok and that family is going
to own Both paramount And Warner. Brothers the third richest
man on the planet Owns, WhatsApp. Facebook the fourth richest,
Man oh's The Washington. Post so remind me one more
time what the problem is inside this congested conglamorate of media.

(48:12):
Control uh, really let's take a, break don't go, away welcome.
Back let's go to line number. One good morning, Missus
earl are on the.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
Air good Morning, Patty good morning to.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
You welcome to the.

Speaker 11 (48:27):
Show thank.

Speaker 8 (48:29):
YOU I.

Speaker 12 (48:32):
I just had to telegram the paper is. Today they
Might begune, banker but they're still. Publishing WHEN i saw
this story about money is stolen from seniors to pay
and educated, groups, FEE i think it's. Disgraceful what kind
of a justice system have we? GOT a new Command

(48:52):
labrador granted this. Request it's unbelievable that such a thing could.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Happen are you talking the story where a lawyer is
getting paid by some of the money that was scammed
from seniors and their grandparents? Scam that? Story, okay?

Speaker 12 (49:07):
Okay AND i wonder THEN i can't pronounce the name
after the court, justice BUT i MEAN i can't pronounce
them because the. Foreigners there's another New. Fernando i'm telling,
YOU i don't understand how we can how that people
can get their money back there and see what are

(49:28):
they going to do with?

Speaker 2 (49:29):
It money should be? Returned comment on. This i'm happy
to take their calls, too BECAUSE i think you're making
a good point. Here you, know when we see seizures from,
say drug, dealers obviously we don't get that money back
to them or the people that bought drugs with. It
but if we're talking about something specific like this senior's focus,
scam any money that's recovered should be returned to the

(49:51):
folks who got. SCAMMED i agree with you one hundred
percent the, course and that requires the law to. Change you.
Know what we have to do, HERE i, think is
to make the not even a. Possibility just take that
out of the realms of possibility for an application to
be made for some of that money to cover legal.
Fees you, know we just needn't have it that.

Speaker 12 (50:09):
Way that's. Disgraceful three hundred and seventy five dollars an,
hour and and oh my, goodness it's unbelievable that The
buckingham could be SO i don't know about column greedy
to accept such a. Thing. ANYWAY i think The telegram
is the only place you can hear anything. Now and

(50:31):
LIKE i, said then we begun on. Bankrupt, WELL i
never cancel my. SUBSCRIPTION i still get. It not as,
many BUT i get a. Few, yeah people will call
in support the. Seniors they can't have anybody looking after their.
Affairs you've got to have a. Family sometimes families are not,
good but most of them. ARE i have two beautiful

(50:54):
daughters and they're looking after. Mine And i'm in my
nineties AND i have good neighbors that that wouldn't happen
to me WHEN i got good. Neighbors, okaytie thank you.

Speaker 11 (51:05):
For Taking thank, you sus.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
SARL i appreciate your. Time bye bye. Bye it's a good.
POINT i, mean money that sees through drug related, arrest
what have, you it's handled in a different way and
in accordance with the laws that are on the, books
but in this particular, circumstance it's hard to argue at that.
Point you, know we know that lawyers need to get,
paid but they should not be able to get paid

(51:28):
through money that was scammed from. Seniors, Right it just
kind of sounds like when we're talking, about you, know
fairness and what is seems to be the right thing to,
do because if we can identify people who have reported
a scam and the amount of money that they were separated,
from maybe just maybe upon, recovery we can put that

(51:48):
money back in their. Hands and on that front, here you,
know yesterday WHEN i started the show talking about some
of the scams that are, circulating it kind of feels
LIKE i should do it AND i should be talking about,
it because if it spares one person from being, scammed
it's worthwhile a couple of minutes here on the. Program
so they're out, there they're, relentless and they're very. Clever

(52:08):
so every time we hear of a new one that's,
circulating it feels incumbent on me to put it out
there because if people don't know what's, coming then they're
caught unaware and possibly we enhance the possibility for them
to be scammed out of their hard earned. Money AND i,
mean just think about the evil that's perpetrated by these.
SCAMMERS i, mean there's an obvious reason why they try

(52:31):
to pray on what they considered to be the most vulnerable,
populations and in some circumstances like that grandparent, SCAM i,
mean whoever cooked that up is an evil. CRIMINAL i,
mean just think about what they, do not only about
the most vulnerable, people because some of the scams they
just talk at. Heartstrings you get a call and it's a,
muffled mumbled, voice and it's only going to get worse

(52:53):
with the advent of artificial. INTELLIGENCE i, mean they can
capture just very little of your spoken word and manipulated
to sound like It's johnny In toronto that actually got
in trouble and needs nanny Or poppy's help boy oh.
Boy you, know even things like code. Words if a
word like pomegranate or spaghetti doesn't belong in a normal

(53:15):
type of conversation regarding the need for bail money in,
here speak to my. Lawyer we've got to establish these
things amongst the sons and the daughters and the grandsons
and the, granddaughters so that we can protect folks who
need to be protected from some of these people out.
There and, then of COURSE i know that it can
come with a level of, embarrassment but it's really important

(53:37):
to report. It, look it can happen to the best of.
Us it can happen to the smartest amongst. Us because
if you've got the immediate pang of worry when you
got one call or, another whether it be from the
people pretend to be the, bank or your credit card,
company or your internet provider or. Whoever, man it's almost
come to a point where it's hard to believe anything

(54:00):
you see or read or hear when it comes to
some of these things that are looking for, money you're
looking for access to your personal. Information hang, up call the,
bank back, yourself, directly call your credit card, company call
your internet, provider call your grandson on the, mainline whatever it,
is because that's where we are. Now it's just absolutely.
Endless and you know it used to be dead. Giveaway

(54:21):
you look at your call display and there was twenty
digits there and you, know for, well this can't be
anything any. Good so we didn't answer, it or we
ignored it upon. Answering now they can make it look
like the calls coming from down the. Road you, know
what used to be twenty digits is now coming up
as seven oh nine seven two six fifty five fifty,
five which feels like a local. Number but they can
just spoof. It so we got to be so. Careful

(54:43):
all just got to line number. Two, brian you're on the.

Speaker 11 (54:46):
Air good, Morning, patty.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
How are you best kind this? Morning exhausted put to.

Speaker 11 (54:51):
The, FINE i haven't spoken to you for a long.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Time welcome back to your.

Speaker 11 (54:54):
SHOW i tell you Why i'm gonna. Talk what's this? Morning?
Baseball love it WHAT i? Sell that NIGHT i was
out the four practice porn they. KILL i saw Every
japanese player who ever used The Toronto Blue days to
get a big contract from The Los Angeles. Dodgers that's

(55:16):
WHAT i. Saw i'm looking at the team that is
buying The World series they bought the last, year and
they're darn rog gonna buy it again this. Year my
advice to people give up looking at. SPORTS i. Am
i'm A chicago. FAN i couldn't care that for sports ever.

(55:39):
Again when you got the money that The dodgers have
you can buy whatever. Now they got Every japanese player
who could throw a baseball time sign. Down and they
reminded us last night That toronto is being used by

(56:00):
sports figures to get big. Contracts not only The Toronto Blue,
jays The Toronto, raptors The Toronto Maple, Leafs they're all being.
Used you're talking about the scambo old. People the biggest
scam is. Sports The Toronto, eights The Toronto city has

(56:21):
been used by, greedy hungry sports. Figures they d big
money from teams like The Los Angeles. Dodgers it was
an embarrassment last night to see the Great Sandy cobots
at the. Game that guy made about as much money

(56:43):
as Shoe otane on a. Piece by the, Way stane
gets ten thousand dollars an, inning so if the game
goes nine innings, tonight that's ninety thousand.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Month he gets more than that to just a couple
of quick, notes, Though, BRIAN i get that thought out
there that The dodgers are buying The World, series but
you still got, to you, know take it from, paper
put it on the. Field just look no further than
The New York. Mets The mets had a massive payroll
just behind The. Dodgers they didn't make the. Playoffs and
then you look at The Blue. JAYS i think The
Blue jays have the fourth or fifth highest payroll in the.

(57:19):
League so we can't pretend that The leafs and The
Blue jays don't have any, money because they. Do and
The japanese players on The, dodgers so obviously you're talking
About otani And yamamoto And. Sasaki yamamoto three hundred and
twenty five million dollars had never played in The United,
states three hundred and twenty five million dollars over twelve, years
And otani's contract seven hundred million. Dollars The dodgers got

(57:39):
all that back this. Year. Remarkable they've already got his
contract paid for this year given ticket, sales. MERCHANDISE i,
mean In otani apparently he's got a billion dollars worth
of endorsement deals In japan, Alone, SO i, mean the
amount of money floating around is absolutely. Wild but it's
not like The jays are crying poor mouth the payrolls
like three hundred fifty million do.

Speaker 11 (58:00):
Well you, Know. Patty one thing about The japanese, players
there's a world tournament every couple of YEARS. O This
japan that ry enters because they're too. Greedy, Oh tommy
will not play For japan because he won't be getting.
Money AND i am just a head with Sports.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Patty but they but they do.

Speaker 11 (58:25):
Play but they.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Do, play, right The japanese playing The World Baseball? Classic
yeah they. DID i mean remember the classic standoff here
Uh Is otani And. Trout that's exactly WHAT i was
trying to think of Here trout Future hall Of, famer
and of Course otani on the mountain he gets to
strike Out trout for the final out to win The
World Baseball. Classic so they do, play and they've got

(58:50):
a lot of super ball. Players, Absolutely AND i Mean
tani might be the best player of all.

Speaker 11 (58:55):
TIME i don't think.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
So who do you think is the best of all?

Speaker 11 (58:59):
Time Reggie? Jackson Because Reggie jackson played for the love
of the. Game these guys are playing for the love
of the.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Check reggie, tours he hung out for more held out
for more money several times in his. CAREER i. Didn't,
yeah now he's a super, player super, Hitter but When
oldany's going to get the ball as the pitcher In
game four and came off a night where he got
on base nine, times coming off a game in The
Championship series where he struck out, eleven went three for

(59:30):
three or three home. Runs he might not be the best,
Ever he's certainly the Best i've ever.

Speaker 11 (59:34):
Seen And i'm very upset with my, dad who's past that.
Now he should kill up me pay baseball.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
He wants.

Speaker 11 (59:48):
Her he should have taught me how to play baseball.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
And tiger right hand behind your back so you can
become a. Lefty.

Speaker 11 (59:55):
Right it's been really nice talk to.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
You, YouTube bran all the, Best bye, Bye look fair.
Enough people like sports like sports A it's up to, you,
right it's your, time and being a fan is a big,
investment sometimes emotionally and regarding your own personal. Time but
what sports has coming around the, Corner if it's not
already right in front of, them they're going to cannibalize

(01:00:19):
themselves with. BETTING i mean the arrest last week by
THE fbi of some thirty, people including some pretty high
profile members of THE, nba Including hall Of Famer Chauncey.
Billups that's just scratching the. SURFACE i, mean in all
of those illegal poker games and manipulation of in game
proceedings and the prop bets associated with. It all of

(01:00:39):
the notable four crime families Of New york were directly,
involved The gambinos and Lou Jaz's Holy. Smokes that is
going to be a massive concern in the. Future pro
sports welcomed in the gambling industry with open. Arms they
used to have one foot under the cover with. Them
now they've got both in under the covers with, them
and they're spoon like there's no. Tomorrow it's going to

(01:01:02):
be a huge problem for the integrity of pro. Sports and,
YEAH i just happen to like it for people who
don't ex sports fair. Enough, right whatever turns you, on
what gives you a little bit of mental break from
the day to day duldrums that we all deal. With
let's check in on The twitter box or, viosim open
line follows, there email, addresses OPEN linefiosm dot. Com when
we come, back plenty show that for you at the

(01:01:22):
topic entirely up to. You don't go, away plok it.
Back let's go to n numb three signa more toward
for a counselor here in The city Of Saint, john's
That's Tom Davis goring councilor around the. Air good, Morning,
patty welcome to the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
SHOW a couple of council. Things you were talking about
the Old Dally helli project which is coming up for
consideration in The committee of The. Whole just to explain to,
Residents i've actually become the new lead for, planning so
that that's a lot and this will be a project
That i'll be pretty involved. In there's a multi tiered

(01:01:55):
process that has to, happen and if we vote today
to to allow the process to, continue then the proponent
needs to have public consultations with the neighbors and then as,
well there would be then another city led. Consultation and

(01:02:15):
because there is a change to the municipal plan and
even issues with the province and the potentially he could
even be another consultation that the province would lead and
the city had could opt to combine both those and
avoid one of the. Consultations so just to get, people you,
know the heads up that there's a lot of. Consultation

(01:02:37):
it's going to happen before before anything gets there are
further tractors digging on that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Site any initial thoughts on the, proposal.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
You, know we've had a.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Little bit of a high level look at, it and
you know it's a great. Mix it isn't just all
single you, know aull. Homes you, know there's a lot
of density that's built into. That and you, KNOW i
was we're positive about. That the other things for people
to be aware of because there are some legiti concerns
with water and so all, developments whether it's a, whole you,
know a commercial or, residential they have to.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
Have a net zero.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Runoffs in other, words whatever the absorption of that property
was prior to you, know roof roofs and concrete and
pavement going, down that would have to be there. Again
so you'll see stuff like retention ponds or underground, tanks
so that that'd be the first thing is is. THERE
i mean you pointed out the road and issues and
developers are required to. MITIGATE i don't know how you.

(01:03:33):
Mitigate you, know over one hundred acres of land of
nature when it comes to the Rat. Boroughs you refer
to this, morning so you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
Know there's a lot. There but we're going to go
we'll go through the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
PROCESS i want to read it. Again encourage residents that
gets already. STARTED i encourage people if you have questions or,
concerns you reach out to, us reach out to three
one one access At saint john'st's sale however you want to,
communicate get.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Involved, YEAH i mean it's a multi use, proposal know
density and as far as homes, go single detach you,
know real expensive and then not so, much and offices
and retail and of course it is because they're kind
of building a little community over the course of the
one hundred. Acres is there an obligation to protect x
percentage of green? SPACE i think there. IS i can't

(01:04:17):
remember what the number is, though.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Off the top of my, HEAD i do not know the.
Percentage but obviously you've got like a lot of times
this comes up all the. Time you, know people are
critical because you know you do with. Subdivision first thing
that developer does is flattens all the, trees but a
lot of the scrub brush in especially on The avalon
And Northeast. Avalon there's really like if you cut down
half the, trees the other ones blow down the next

(01:04:41):
time you have a good. Windstorm we don't have a you,
know as a, rule there's not a deep earth. Cover
the trees are supporting. Themselves so that's one. Challenge but
in the case Of Valley, haley you've got mature. Hardwoods you,
know it's you, know, yeah there is some there's some
green forest, there but there's a lot of WHAT i
would call like legacy type trees as well that have
been planted over the you, know the decades that that

(01:05:03):
place has. Existed AND i THINK i do know that the,
developer uh you, know is trying to do, something and
that's the WAY kmk. Works you, know they do try
and and be good. Neighbors they. DO i, mean you,
know sometimes you got to push, them and sometimes you,
know the neighbors need to push. Them BUT i definitely
believe that those voices and pointing those things, out they're
going to listen because you, know, again the only way

(01:05:25):
this works is if they can get you, know incongruence
was basically the. Neighborhood and SO i, Mean i'm. Optimistic but,
again you can reach out directly TO kmk. Too there
will be a process once the public consultations begin that
you will be able to reach out directly to the
proponents to give them that feedback THAT i know a
lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Have, yeah and nobody's surprised the proposals coming. FORWARD i
mean when there was a swap for Bally haley to
move to the Clove le, location but they didn't think
was going to happen with that land is prime real.
Estate another Thing i'd add to it, is you, know
traffic uh on, evaluation the traffic flow AND e west
going east versus coming out into what is already a

(01:06:03):
pretty busy. Area i'll be really interesting to see how
that's going to work because it is, busy and adding
twelve thousand units of you, know mixed juice is going
to make that a pretty wild part of the. City but,
anyway that's not what you called, about BUT i did
want to talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
It, yeah and to bear in mind that they will
have to do a traffic study that would definitely be
part of this. Project so you, know again please and you,
know encourage. RESIDENCY i see it every. Day residents make
it different in the city when they get, engaged and
so let's let's encourage that to. Continue SO i want
to talk about, water and Specifically i'm going to talk About,

(01:06:36):
Gables Big con Although Windsor lake And petty hard longkn
are all in the same. Category we've got Some we
have some significant, challenges and the message is not getting.
OUT i had a meeting With Public works On, friday
AND i just want to give people some numbers just
to chew, on you, know are for the year to,
date we would generally have gotten around twelve hundred millimeters

(01:06:59):
of precipitation converting snow to water as well as water that's,
falled and we've gotten seven hundred and seventy five, millimeters
so that's sixty four. Percent, however right up To april
we were doing okay in the precipitation. Area the real
story is what has happened Since. June So June june
we normally get eighty eight, millimeters we got forty. Seven
that's fifty three percent of what we normally. Get july

(01:07:21):
we normally get one, hundred and we got fifty. Four
that's sixty four. Percent, august which surprised me a little.
Bit we've gotten around what we normally get ninety. Seven,
sorry ninety nine is what we usually. Get we got ninety.
Six but the real story is the. Fall september we
normally get one hundred and twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
Five we've got.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Forty that's only thirty two. Percent, october we normally get
one hundred and fifty five and we've gotten thirty. Five
that's twenty two percent the city's, reservoirs although they're not
in an emergency. SITUATION a lot of people don't realize
that if you Take Bible Big, ponds, specifically that forty
two percent of the citizens Of Saint john's gets the

(01:07:57):
water From Babels Big. Pond but ors Called Saint, philip,
Does Mount, pearl Does, paradise DOES cbs? Does there's a
there's a lot of people pulling water out of that.
Reservoir and AGAIN i don't want to just because you're
on Windsor, lake or you're on long time pet you
have a long, run like don't like. It all is
the same because these reservoirs are are smaller and their
output is, smaller so everything is. Balanced and you, KNOW

(01:08:20):
i DON'T i really don't think the message has gotten.
OUT i was talking to some councilors In Mal pearl
and they didn't realize the situation was the way it.
Was SO i don't know if the city is dropping
the ball on, comms ALTHOUGH i know we put stuff.
Out it was a little blip in the, news but
really our water consumption has not come down at. All
and and And i'm really really like you know, This
i'm not really talking officially on behalf of the city,

(01:08:43):
like but ALTHOUGH i am as a, counselor like people,
have we need to really get through our heads that
just Like torbet And clarenville and many other, communities, like
we're heading to a point where you, know showering and
and this kind of stuff may become a luxury item
if we do not get a lot of rain In,
november and if we do not get a lot of,
snow and every bit of water we waste now potentially

(01:09:06):
we're really going to wish we had because this a
little bit of rain got On. Friday the ground and
the grass and the, trees they sucked all that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
Up the ground is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Still you, drive you try and dig a hole right,
now it's powder when you go down the first couple.

Speaker 10 (01:09:18):
Inches so you, know we have a real big.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Challenge we've got to get the message out it's not
it is not business as usual when it comes to water.
Consumption it better not be, like for, example just a
plant the seed if you generally do a rink outdoors this,
winter unless something magical happens In, november take it off your,
list like the saying my parents have a summer cabin

(01:09:41):
and water is a little precious and you know they
have a little piece of paper over the. Toilet if it's,
yellow let it. Metal and if it's, brown flushing. Ump
that's where we. Are you, know if you're in the,
shower you love a, shower or you have a teenager
who loves those long.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Showers we had.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
To send a message that although we're not in amer agency, situation,
LIKE i don't want to underplay the situation we're, in
AND i really want that message to be a news
item and to be spread far and wide through all
the communities that throw on the reservoirs of The city
Of Saint, john's including the residence of The City Saint.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
John's The city Of Saint john's had a water conservation
order in place four. Years the problem with that is
that nobody knew about, it you, know when it became
critical and crucial and leaders were on the news media
talking about just how bad the situation is and things
like don't water or lawn and you, know and there's
some different rules That i'm not going to get, into
but it might have been helpful knowing what the trend

(01:10:36):
was looking, like that if all municipalities that were facing
potential dire, circumstances whether it be in Toaur bay Or
sunnyside Or Saint john's or whatever the case may. Be
but we are arriving at a. Point and like you,
mentioned backyard, ring we used to make one when the
kids were, small but, NOW i, mean by the time
you actually get enough frost in the ground to actually
get that opportunity for the rink to, stay you, know

(01:10:57):
you put it, in all the, effort you consume all that,
water and then it rains and the rick is. Gone
it's one of the more frustrating things they ever have
in the. BACKYARD a pool number, one backyard ring number.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Two, yeah you, Know AND i, think you know my
observation from now from the inside looking, Out AND i
listened to callers talking about, healthcare and we listen about
the education, system and now we're talking about. WATER i
really think and MAYBE covid reading multiplied, this BUT i
Know i'm not so sure it was reading much better BEFORE.

(01:11:26):
Covid the amount that people really, care AND i mean include,
people you, know, politicians but also the people. Underneath it's
like when five o'clock or four thirty Or friday or whatever,
comes it's like people who generally who are charged with
keeping like the systems that we rely on. Running it's

(01:11:47):
like it's now become okay to be like checked out
and to, like, oh, well we send a message, out
our job is. Done And i'm not being critical of
The city Of Saint john's percific BECAUSE i know they
care individual that have these conversations AND i know everybody,
can but as a, culture as a, COMMUNITY i don't
really know what has. Happened but, like, uh you, know
we have a huge challenge in that in that our

(01:12:08):
society and the parts of our society that we all
RELY i, mean you don't realize it until you go
and you need. It like you, know there are there
are communities like In torbay where they don't really, know you,
know how they're going, to you, know what they're going to,
do and you you, know at some point reality hits
you in the. Face and that's when you look at
a reservoir that is to the point where potentially we

(01:12:29):
could get if if we do not get significant rainfall
and we do not get significant snowfall over this, winter
so you, know, again LIKE i just want to make
sure it's clear it's not an. Emergency you. Know, however,
uh you, know we really have to change business as
usual in the, world probably behind, us but specifically right.

(01:12:49):
Now what we're talking about is water. Consumption everybody needs
to look at how long they.

Speaker 10 (01:12:54):
Run you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
KNOW i have family members who are like seniors who
pay attention to all the, news AND I i mentioned
them when they're running the. Tap they're, Like i'm, like
do you know about this? Issue like, no and they
were like IF i don't, know then obviously the messaging
is not clear enough and strong, enough or maybe people
are so checked out now that people aren't hearing. Stuff
BUT i just want to if one conversation comes out

(01:13:18):
of this that people remember, is you, know go back
to the days when you had to pretend in your
mind you got to lug that water from the, well
like you, know like and then use it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Appropriately appreciate the. Time thank, You.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
TOM i just want to quickly touch on what's that
about to happen In. Jamaica you, know it's, catastrophic and
our hearts and minds go out to, them but just
try and wrap your head around three hundred klometer in our,
wind three meters, sorry three feet of rain and a
thirteen foot storm, surge and what it would do to Modern,

(01:13:51):
panada let Alone. Jamaica so so hopefully you Know jamaic
exists tomorrow take.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Care of you, too times Tom but and that, hurricane, okay, well,
lista it's traveling at two miles an. Hour you can walk,
faster so it's going to hang over parts Of jamaica
Where mikes laffall just potentially. Devastating, certainly the reports coming
in at this point are pretty scary. Stuff let's go
ahead and take a, break don't go. Away welcome back

(01:14:21):
to the. Program let's go to light number. Four. Sylvia
you're on the, Air, Hi patty is?

Speaker 13 (01:14:26):
OKAY i call You patty, absolutely. Okay i'm a second found.
Caller i'm a bit.

Speaker 11 (01:14:31):
Nervous take your, time.

Speaker 13 (01:14:33):
OKAY i was listening last week on your day off
To Linda, swayin and ORDINARILY i don't just tune in
when you're.

Speaker 11 (01:14:40):
Not, on BUT i was busy in the Radio.

Speaker 13 (01:14:42):
STADA i heard a man calling about him A trent
twenty one, HUNDRED i think he, said and he needed,
first last and damage to. Posit that's that's almost unattainable for.
ANYBODY i don't blame government usually for, things but here
in this.

Speaker 11 (01:15:02):
CASE i.

Speaker 8 (01:15:03):
Do, Ah.

Speaker 13 (01:15:06):
HERE'S i see a lot somewhat wrong with. It they
brought in so many, people so many that there's no
more for our own people to. RENT i know of
many people who just this week she had moved back
in with her daughter because places are being so rent
is going. UP i don't know what the answer, is

(01:15:27):
BUT i know every it's everybody's. Problem you don't wait
until you need a place to. Rent. Now i'm LUCKY
i own my own, house but still these are our,
people and there's nowhere.

Speaker 11 (01:15:44):
For them to.

Speaker 13 (01:15:44):
Live and because they don't as far AS i know,
anyway because they don't have to claim it on income.
Tax who they're they got the luxury of putting it
off and off and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Up who does not have to claim Bot i'm SORRY
i missed that.

Speaker 13 (01:15:58):
Point, people these, landlords they're not claiming on your income.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Tax it's just not, Well i'll tell you. What that's
a dangerous game to. Play if you're a landlord to
not claim rent revenue and your income.

Speaker 13 (01:16:10):
Tax, WELL i can guarantee YOU i know at least
twenty people who are not claiming it under income. Tax
and here's the other side of. That if you're working
and you've got to pay a lot of rent like
this man last week and most.

Speaker 11 (01:16:27):
Everybody.

Speaker 13 (01:16:29):
They should be able To they should be able to
claim it on your income. Tax they should be able
to claim what they're paying out and then at the
end of the year they get a few dollars and you,
know in time they might get an offer down payment
on a. House rent is more money than.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
A, mortgage it can.

Speaker 13 (01:16:45):
Be and why do you think they're getting away with
not claiming it on your income.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Tax, WELL i can't speak to, that because if landlords
are playing foot loose and fancy free with that, one
eventually the piper will come, calling because that is just
an unbelievably risky game to. Play and you, know like
everything else in this, world the value of my rental
or the value of my home is worth exactly what
someone's willing to pay for. It, now in the world

(01:17:09):
of holding a mortgage and people being outpaid to buy
a home is a different conversation than rent because there's
some controls that you can apply in the world of,
rent let the conversation of rent. CONTROL i mean they
do it in other. Provinces it hasn't proven to be.
Detrimental there's got to be an opportunity For if carry
costs go up for a, landlord then they should be
able to reflect that in the. Rent but we've seen

(01:17:30):
increases that are way outside. That why because, People you,
KNOW i put a listing up for a basement apartment
to bedroom, rental AND i put it up at twelve o'clock.
Noon WHEN i check that supper, TIME i got fifty
people want to look at. It so CONSEQUENTLY i know
that IF i THOUGHT i could get an eight, FIFTY
i could probably get a.

Speaker 13 (01:17:46):
Cost we have a problem in this. Province people know
where to, live nowhere to. Rent it's. Ridiculous these are our.
PEOPLE i don't SEE i don't see the go and
stepping in and, say, listen we screwed. Up we've brought
too many people in. Here we can't accommodate.

Speaker 8 (01:18:05):
Them we.

Speaker 13 (01:18:05):
Can't so, What it's only a couple of years ago
we had ten. Cities we're going to have it, Again.
Patty we got to simply got to there's nowhere to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
GO i think there's a variety of contributing factors to
the rental vacancy being so, low AND i WOULD i
hesitate to put all of the blame on one segment
of a, society in that being the. Newcomer in this,
case people are flocking to Urban canada for access to,
services you, know regardless of what problems we're talking. About
then we've got what is a fairly new contributor to
vacancy being things like short term rentals airbnbs and otherwise

(01:18:37):
that used to be long term. Rentals now that might
not be a huge, contributor but it is. Some SO
i think there's a variety of. Reasons and, plus you,
know business opportunities have grown, consequently more people have moved
here to work for a variety of different. Companies SO
i think there's probably five or six or seven contributors
to the vacancy. Rate and you, KNOW i think that's
a different conversation than buying. Home pardon, ME.

Speaker 13 (01:18:57):
I agree with, That but we got to. Help these
people are our our, friends our, neighbors our people are our.
People we got to help them at this desperate. Situation
IF I i'm a senior And i'm getting a, PENSION
i get seventeen hundred dollars a. Month IF i am
renting a place And i'm only getting what would be normal.

Speaker 7 (01:19:20):
Whilch i'd say, eight.

Speaker 13 (01:19:21):
Eight, fifty maybe. Nine i'm not going to be too
inclined to put it up because you know, What i'm
going to lose a bit of my. Pension i'm going
to lose my ability to get my prescriptions under. Cheap
i'm not going to be so eager to do. That
but this is not what's. Happening and also this will
go either woman or a family that's rent in my

(01:19:41):
basement or my. Upstairs give them a, break let them,
claimers let them claim.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
IT i don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:19:49):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Yep that's not really necessarily how a tax credit would.
WORK i, mean how could you, exclude for, instance people
with a mortgage fayment if all of a sudden there
was Some.

Speaker 13 (01:19:57):
NO a mortgage is different because at the end of the,
day you will get your money. Back you own the
house that's. Yours that's just equity you're putting in the.
House at the end of the. Day to the people moving,
out sometimes they don't even get their. Damage she pass it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Back, YEAH i think there's a bunch of different things interesting.
Points rent versus, mortgage but like for a rental assumes
little to zero maintenance and upkeep, costs which when everybody
who owns their own home knows full, well there's plenty
of additional expenses on top of your, mortgage including your property,
tax including every time you have to do a little

(01:20:33):
bit of beautification or repairs or what have. You so
owning home is not as glorious as people.

Speaker 13 (01:20:38):
Think i'm the owner to if you're just choosing to
beautify that and you if you're doing something out of,
need then you won't find a. Way that's the way
it's always. Been New landers are, Changing we're, changing AND
i hate. IT i hate to. CHANGE i walk every
day AND i see people from twenty five to maybe,

(01:20:59):
fifty most of them on the rail. Bed at that,
age they should be the work and patty it are
not to work because if you go to work and
you make too much, money you lose your baby, bones
some of your baby, bonents by the, way which is
over one thousand dollars per child a. Month So i'll
down to, dominion AND i said to the, manager, seriously

(01:21:20):
let them line. Up i'm right back to ice cream
and he, said. Missus he, SAID i called. EVERYBODY i
got one, seller and this is what he said to.
Me he, SAID i don't want working a few, shifts
but any more than, that they're going to cough my baby.
Bones there're to caugh my welfare AND i can't do.
IT i can't pay the bills like. That, yeah so

(01:21:41):
it's a ridiculous the situation our government got our people.
IN i hope someone is, listening and For god's, sake
just let them plan it Under Income.

Speaker 12 (01:21:53):
Tact give them a break.

Speaker 13 (01:21:58):
More than most.

Speaker 11 (01:21:58):
Mortgages yeah, RIGHT.

Speaker 13 (01:22:03):
I just want to get that point out there fair.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
ENOUGH i appreciate the, Time, sylvia thanks a.

Speaker 11 (01:22:07):
Lot, ahi thank, You, Patty you're, Welcome bye.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Bye and the only things that the government can really
do if we're talking, rentals cause mortgages are. DIFFERENT i,
MEAN i know there's a competitive balance that needs to
be struck because IF i IF i thought that my basement,
APARTMENT i could get eight. Fifty BUT i know full
well given the low vacancy, RATE i can probably get a.
Thousand people are going to try to get the thousand.
Bucks same thing with people who are selling their own.

(01:22:30):
HOME i, mean the average or the median price of
a home in this, province so will compared to the
rest of the, country we're still in a pretty good.
PLACE i think medium. Price the last TIME i saw
it was around three hundred and twenty six thousand. Dollars
but selling the house now and then trying to buy
the next, home but it's a bit of a zero some.
Game you get a bit more for your house now
to have to pay a lot more for the next

(01:22:50):
one you move. Into you look at the really low.
Supply the bidding worst for homes is. WILD i, mean
there's homes on streets in The east end Of Saint John's,
center pretty nice, neighborhoods they're middle class, neighborhoods and homes
are getting eighty thousand dollars over. Ask there's homes in
my neighborhood THAT i THOUGHT i would never ever ever
see the kind of price tags that they're going for.

(01:23:12):
Now of course we really say it in, location proximity
to schools and blah blah. Blah but my home will
always remain as valuable as someone who is willing to
pay that amount of. Money so IF i thought it's
worth three hundred thousand, dollars but someone wants to give
me four hundred and, fifty that's what it's. Worth. Rental
there is some conversation we had about some form of
rent control and to do away with no fault. Evictions

(01:23:34):
those types of THINGS i think are reasonable. Conversations but
government's ever going to be able to control my mortgage
other than stress tests and all those types of. Things but,
rent there is a conversation that we had, There there's
no doubt about. It let's get to the. Break there
was a caller in the, key want to talk baseball
music to my. Ears if you're still, listening to pick
up the, phone Tunk, Away welcome back to the. Show

(01:23:54):
let's Go lene number, One, randy you're on the. Air good.

Speaker 14 (01:23:59):
Morning the first Thing i'll, SAY i apologize IF i get.
Disconnected i'm, DRIVING i mean the virtuelke areas some spotty cell.
Service but in the, Meantime i'm calling as an, excite
very excited Blue jay. FAN i assume you can still hear.
ME i can't go right, Ahead, however this Morning i'm

(01:24:20):
a bit more of a frustrated Blue jay.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Fan welcome to the.

Speaker 14 (01:24:24):
CLUB i think back To i'm going to quote At
i'm gonna QUOTE.

Speaker 10 (01:24:33):
I didn't, know it's better THAN.

Speaker 14 (01:24:34):
I more power to, him seventy six year old missus.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Me all that.

Speaker 14 (01:24:39):
GREAT i remember.

Speaker 10 (01:24:41):
BACK i think the year was nineteen.

Speaker 14 (01:24:42):
Eighty, Seven, patty when the last to the last two
series in the regular, season The Blue jays had to
play The Detroit, tigers and however whoever it was playing,
out the Blue jays had to, dude he had six
or seven games home home the last last week of the,
season and, uh The blues and The. Tigers the only

(01:25:05):
way that the only way That tigers could win the
division over The Blue jays that particular year was was
fifty one every game at the last one the Blue jays.
Wins Sparky, ANDERSON i recall was G it was the
manager of, course uh The tigers at that, time and
he was interviewed and he, said you're you get an

(01:25:28):
uphill battle. Here you got to win every game against
whatever it, was six or seven games against The Blue.
Jays you know, what how do you how do you
how do you?

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Start?

Speaker 14 (01:25:36):
Well he, said the first thing we, do we, said
we don't.

Speaker 10 (01:25:37):
Fix The George.

Speaker 14 (01:25:38):
Bell that was the Year George bell. ONE i think
when the end.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Can he wasn't too far removed From Triple. Crown, yeah
you're still, There randy h the spotty services Illness Randy,
hyah that's too. Bad i'll put them on the Whole.
Davic if we can't get a reinvigorated, connection to see

(01:26:06):
what we Get randy back on nineteen eighty seven For
jays fans was. BRUTAL i see IF i can remember
the numbers as accurately AS i. Can so there's a
week left in the. Season they had seven games. Left
they had a three game series against The Detroit, tigers
and at the time they were three and a half games,
up got swept by The, tigers went all went seven

(01:26:27):
in their last seven, games lost the division by two.
GAMES i, mean it was a mighty. Collapse AND i
can't remember The Sparky anderson interview and. Stuff but you,
know when you reflect on, things like you, know don't
let the best hitters kill, you it's always a pretty good.
Idea you, know if you can get away with Pitching Aaron,
judge don't pitch to, Them if you can get away
with not pitching to the big dumper cal, rally don't

(01:26:49):
pitch to. Them if you don't have to pitch the
Show aotani don't do. It and you, KNOW i see
some people, saying, well you can't be, cowards, right you
got to challenge these. Guys but you, know bravado sounds
good until you're plucking this ball out of the right
field stands And otani said one four hundred and sixty nine.
Feet so, yeah he sent a record last night for
most intentional walks in a Single World series games four,

(01:27:12):
times and that's only after The jays decided to pitch
to him four. Times he went double, homer double. Homer so,
look people will question the manager's, decisions whether it be
With kirk coming, out even THOUGH i Think kirk was
maybe a little bit busted up taking barge are out
and putting stride And i'll never understand. That and then
people are sending me lots of notes, about, well the

(01:27:34):
umpiring was. Terrible it's. TRUE i hate belly aching about
officiating because it kind of feels like sour grapes and
looking for someone to, blame even though sometimes it's. Deserved
AND i think it was kind of bad for both
teams in separate. Instances and then there's base running airs
and the lack of clutch. Shaitting there were thirty seven
runners left on base last, night thirty, seven which is

(01:27:55):
wild when you think about it out. Loud but, yeah
you can't Let otani almost single Handedly, vica because he
has done it to a few, teams including in The
championship series when he pretty much put the team on his,
back even though he struggled mightily up unto that. Point
but he pitched hit three home. Runs it's pretty well to.
Watch AND i wrote on social media that it was

(01:28:18):
a weird game and a weird. Loss plus it was
twenty three minutes after four this morning WHEN i wrote,
That So i'm not even sure in my own, head
BUT i meant by. Weird but there were so many
ebbs and flows in the roller. Coaster great plays and
then stupid plays and bad calls and oh my, god
the call that really got me. Going AND i won't
be sad WHEN i see this strike zone go by the.

(01:28:40):
Wayside IS i, Mean varshow's up but set down? First
the ball was clearly way out of the strike. Zone
it was a late call third. Strike varshow thought he had,
walked But chet was walking down the second the umpire
calls third strike and they throw the shed out at
first double play on a completely idiotic approach by the.
Umpire people call it a Cramp, bibashet but, he like

(01:29:02):
everyone else in the, park including The dodger, catcher including
The dodger, pitcher thought it Was Baul paul. Four so,
ANYWAY i hate blameing umps and reps and hockey games and,
whatnot but you, KNOW i guess ultimately exciting stuff eighteen. Innings,
thankfully it doesn't come along, often AND i KNOW i
couldn't do it again, tonight that MUCH i can. Guarantee All,

(01:29:23):
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Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Am welcome back to the. Show has mentioned you, know
you talk about the concentration of media and what social
media has mean for people's. CONSUMPTION i think there's certainly
people out there now who talk about legacy media and
mainstream media and they don't like, it don't trust in
what have, you and they've gone to social media for that.

(01:30:13):
PURPOSE i guess for the, backfield whether or not that's
a good, idea leave it up to. You BUT i
mentioned like what people call for people like me, propagandists
which is sort of bizarre when we're talking about the
footprint that we have compared to the fact, that as,
Mentioned Elon, musk richest man in the world Controls, twitter
which has had a real impact on what people think
about a variety of. Things then you put In zuckerberg

(01:30:35):
With facebook And instagram And, WhatsApp and then you put
In Jeff bezos at The Washington, post WHICH i mentioned
for a specific. REASON i keep hearing from a lot
of people about industrial strategy in this, province where we
look at things like hydro, developments is why are we
not trying to attract MORE ai data. CENTERS i don't
know why that's good use of power, Normally, ACTUALLY i

(01:30:56):
was going to say normally SHORT ai is a good
thing because Ultimately artificial intelligence is to be a terrible
thing my personal, opinion and people disagree with it all the,
time so be. IT i think in the long run
it is going to be. Brutal then you talk about
HOW ai data centers not only the amount of electricity
required and the amount of water required to, cool it's

(01:31:16):
also about what it means for electricity. Prices so there's
some careful examinations out there about the impact OF ai data,
centers and, yes they can be paying some pretty exorbitant
costs in separate jurisdictions for. Electricity but then it's just
about who the messenger is sometimes. Right so you'll have
reports about what it's looked like in other. Places and

(01:31:38):
then you get a report coming from The Washington, post
and Then post says that they have research that found
that state level load growth in recent years has tended
to reduce average retail electricity. Prices they say between twenty
nineteen and twenty twenty, four states with the highest electricity
load growth experienced productions and real prices on, average whereat
states with contracting loads saw prices rise pretty. Significantly cherry

(01:32:02):
picked stuff who owns The Washington, Post Jeff, bezos who
are the two people in The United states Of america
who are going the most all in ON, Ai Jeff
bezos And Mark. Zuckerberg so there's no coincidence that their
leaning is about the impact for electricity prices on Regular
joe's And james is going to be what it is

(01:32:22):
because they have their personal wealth invested in a lot of.
It we're talking billions of, dollars and of Course bezos
bigger than The Washington. Post of Course, amazon and interestingly
On amazon and talk ABOUT, ai they've got some pretty
sweeping layoffs that are happening right now and into the.
Future and the word, is and it makes a lot of,
sense is that they're replacing human beings and the role they,

(01:32:45):
play especially in administrative duties with artificial. Intelligence so, yes
there's going to be some jobs. COMPROMISED i know there's
jobs required for algorithm input and maintenance and ongoing upgrades
in the data, centers what have. You but between jobs
and the impact is going to have on people and
what they. See LIKE i heard Jerry Lin mackey this,
morning AND i don't even know if it was live

(01:33:07):
on the air or she was just talking To russell
or whatever the case may. Be is she was sitting
down with her daughter who was scrolling through her, TikTok
and she happened to notice that every single image and
every single video that she saw being scrolled through was artificial,
intelligence every single. One so at some, POINT i, mean
these social media companies they are not our. FRIEND i,

(01:33:28):
mean they're just. Not they purposefully and willfully bamboozle people
all the, time just because the more people, use the
more they can charge for, advertising the more money they.
Make pretty fundamental. Stuff it's going to. Take, look government
intervention is always tricky piece of business because we don't
need governments to be ruling the rules and telling us
exactly what we can and cannot. Do but in, reality

(01:33:49):
in the world of regulatory, CONTROL i don't think it's
a big ask for there to be an acknowledgment a
stamp on AN ai contrived, visual whether it be a
still shot and or a. Video why? Not what's the downside?
There at least give people a fighting chance to know
that what they're looking. At sometimes you can tell is
glaringly obvious that something might be generated BY. Ai but

(01:34:10):
for others that are really well, done it's becoming more
and more. Difficult SO i don't think it's a big
ask or a big problem in so far as regulation
to oblige these, companies who are used by billions of
people in the, world to just say this IS. Ai
people can like, it they can be amused, by they

(01:34:30):
can be entertained, by but if they know it's not,
real that goes a long way to controlling what is
the ultimate age of artificially generated, content the vast majority
of which it cannot be, Believed so that, then you,
know we're talking about helping our own and rentals and

(01:34:52):
mortgages and all the, rest and the prices that people
are charging for rent and or the prices for which
homes are. Going AND i hear the reference all the
time to you, know looking back to the good old
days where mom and dad could have a couple of,
kids the mom stays at home and the dad salaries
enough to cover a variety things in this, life and

(01:35:13):
the based necessities a, home a, car the ability to
send your children to, university and how that has, changed
and who's responsible for man if you don't have two
incomes in the, family you must have one big mukeeting
mucky earning the big, bucks whether he is an engineer
or a doctor or whatever the case may, be because
it's getting away from us and things have, changed not,

(01:35:35):
organically it's been shoved down our. Throat gone are those, days,
unless of, course you have someone who's a massive earner
who's driving the builds away from the, mailbox because the
reality is it's completely out of. CONTROL i, mean just
even look at the concept of sending your kids two
post secondary how much just university as an. Example now

(01:35:57):
for one child tuition person semester sixty seven hundred. DOLLARS i,
mean for many that's just not something that's available to.
Them they just don't have access to. It then you
look at the ability for one earner working for the
telephone company for thirty five years and retires with the
pension and that's enough to live. Off it's all. Changed

(01:36:18):
it just absolutely has, changed and not for the, BETTER
i would. Suggest so when we yearn for the good old,
days there was a lot of bad old days vibes
back all those decades ago where life was a little bit,
simpler and the inputs that have changed. Lives there's no
put into some of these genies back in the bottle
that toothfaste will forever remain outside the, tube but there's

(01:36:39):
a lot of blame games going around. Them not so
sure we're on top Of but if you're one of
those proponents, of, hey let's bring MORE ai to, Town
i'd like to just hear the reasons. Why you, know,
yes it can suck up a lot of, Power but
beyond construction and the initial phase OF, ai with all
the power and the water required and the number of
jobs that would be, created als like a bit of

(01:37:00):
pretty poor return on, investment pretty poor return on the
usage of, water pretty poor return on the amount of
electricity that has to be generated to transmit it and
used at just a, nameless FACELESS ai data. Center let's
get a break in when we come back and mention
off the top of the show the role of innovation
in the world of building. Homes it's a big deal.

(01:37:23):
Again things sometimes not only do they, change and we
can debate whether or not it's for the, better but
there's a better approach to be taken to, housing especially
when we compare ourselves to other jurisdictions who have leaned
in a little bit more on things like innovation versus
the traditional sense of skilled. Trades, people single detached family.
Homes Laurent carboneau is the director Of policy And research

(01:37:45):
at The Canadian council Of innovators and joins us right
after this nunk. Away welcome back to the. Show the
latest policy report coming from The council Of Canadian innovators
is Called building At. Scale join us on. Nine number
one is the director Of policy And research at The
council Of Canadian. Innovators That's Laurent. Carboneaux, well good, Morning,
laurel you're on the.

Speaker 6 (01:38:01):
Air, hey, yeah good, morning a great to be.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
Here, well welcome to the. Program let's just set the
stage for how we address housing in this country at
this moment of. Time it's traditional single family, dwelling detached
home built by skilled trades. People but let's paint the
picture of what we're looking at insofar as the little
me shortfall one of five construction workers now sixty five
years of age or, older a shortfall of a half
a million workers by twenty. Thirty so that's the setting

(01:38:24):
of the stage. Here what role can innovation play because
things are change and then they're changing.

Speaker 6 (01:38:29):
Quickly, yeah, Absolutely AND i think you know your point
about what the industry looks like now is. EXACTLY i
think the big problem right not to say, that you,
know there aren't.

Speaker 5 (01:38:37):
A lot of people doing hard and good.

Speaker 6 (01:38:38):
Work but you, know the WAY i always think about
it is that if you took someone from The Middle
ages who'd spend his career building, cathedrals he'd look at
the way we build stuff now and, think, oh that
looks pretty. SIMILAR i could proably get a, job you,
know which is great in a, sense but it also
means that we're probably not going to be able to
do things at the scale we need to do them,
now because as you, mentioned we're going to need half
a million workers by twenty, thirty and if we want

(01:38:59):
to restore affordability to about two thousand and four, levels
we need to build five point eight million. Homes so you,
know if you look at put those two numbers, together
that the math gets very, hard very. Quickly so we
looked at, ways you, know what can what can innovation,
do and how can we do things? Differently and you,
know people talked a lot about factory built or modular prefab,
homes and you, know for a long time it's been

(01:39:21):
the next big thing and always has. Been BUT i
think there is a real need for us to kind
of bite the bullet on this and really make some
changes to how we build homes in this, country and you,
know to address the housing, crisis which isn't just a
cost of living, issue but it also you, know from
the point of view of of you, know our productivity
and our overall economic. Growth it's a lot of investment
that goes into you, know land and buildings because they

(01:39:42):
just sit they're getting more expensive by the, day instead
of investing in. Companies so this is all kind of
one problem if you look, at you, know zoom out a.
Bit so how do we do, this you, Know and
that's the question we looked, at and we talked to
lots of folks who are in the industry kind of
doing the work day to, day and the first thing
we learned is, that you, know at the end of the,
day if you were quired ford to build a, truck
differently for every municipality in the, country they go out

(01:40:04):
of business in a. Heartbeat, so you, know part of
the issue is that the zoning, codes you, know permitting municipal
processes are different everywhere in the. Country so if you're
trying to build homes in a, factory you're running into
that exact, issue trying to have to build AN f
one fifty dispect for every. Town, right it just doesn't
work when you're trying to do things industrially like standardization
is the. Key so the first thing we're calling for

(01:40:27):
is just to, say look, like we need to get
governments on the same page here and really harmonize and
simplify how we do. It bill forty four AND bc
is a good. Example we look at, there.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
There's got to be some what Used topeak quasi truths
have now become. Myths And i'm talking about modular homes
and the quality of the build and the ability to
sustain the environmental impacts, here whether it be the call
the freeze and thought what have, you they changed dramatically
into the. Future and it's also worth pointing out that
if they're doing so well In, sweden very similar, climate

(01:40:56):
and also in addition to, that the overwhelming percentage of
the population in this country lives within one hundred miles
of the southern. Border so we're not talking about building
for The, Arctic we're talking about building for where people.

Speaker 6 (01:41:06):
Live, yeah, exactly, No And sweden is a really good
example because they actually have a really really high percentage
of their building stock is prefabricated or as prefabricated, elements
WHICH i think is a good way to think about. This,
right it's not necessarily everything coming off of a, truck
but it's maybe a core that gets deposited and then
you kind of build around. It so anything to kind
of shave some weeks, off, right really does make a

(01:41:27):
difference at the end of the. Day and another really
Interesting sweden did too is a lot of this stuff
is mass, timber which is a family materials that are
kind of like very advanced timber construction that it's actually
now legal to build up to eighteen stories IN bc In,
ontario which is. Great but you, know we're the biggest
forestry exporter in the, world and you know people always talk,
about you, know we're shipping rawl logs To china or THE,

(01:41:48):
us and like this is an obvious Value shane, here,
right like we can just move up the stack of
places we already are and already have a real industry
in real, strength and you, know we have over six
hundred mass timber buildings building can most of them With european,
panels which when you think about, it doesn't make the
look of, sense, Right like why are we bringing In
european lumber to build homes In canada when we can
be doing this.

Speaker 5 (01:42:09):
Ourselves so that's.

Speaker 6 (01:42:10):
Another element of this is looking at these new technologies
like mass timber and really trying to, say, like where
can we be real world leaders here in the?

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Technology, YEAH i mean ten percent of the world's boreal
force are In. Canada and just so people, know mass
timber is an engineered would. Product it's not mass cutting
down or standing. Trees it's a different. Thing it's an
after the fact engineered. Product, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:42:30):
Exactly, Yeah and like you, know as you, say if
trees aren't something we're running out of here In, canada
and we have a very sustainable and well managed forestry.
Industry SO i just, think you, know it's a no
brainer for me that we should be trying to get
more value out of the trees we grow here in
that industry where we're already a real world leader, Anyway
so you, know to, us that's a no, brainer just
doing stuff we already, do but doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Better and you talk about you, know mass timber and
what it could mean for a build times and then
also in the world of. Emissions then the very next
sensions in the news release Of sweden already douce is
fifteen hundred apartments annually from a single modular. Plant then
you look at actual geography AND i know we can manage,
this but if you're talking about four hundred and fifty
thousand square kilometers In sweden versus almost ten million square

(01:43:13):
kilometers Of, canada cherry picking where these potential module plants
are is going to be as important because we can
include emissions on. Us we're building close by where people
live and where people are moving.

Speaker 6 (01:43:24):
Too, yeah AND i think it's all you, know we're
reflecting what you said earlier that you, know most of
the population actually is pretty, concentrated and the same is
true In. Sweden you, know it's a lot of people
in the south and near near a post shoot up
front the capital, anyway the capital Of. Sweden but, yeah
LIKE i think a good way to think about this

(01:43:44):
as well is that the factory in some ways kind
of is the. Product right where if you're a mass
timber specialist and you're really good at building these, homes
like some, extent like what's, exportable it's not you're putting
the panels on a ship as you're actually building a
factory and bringing all, that know how an. Investment SO
i think that that is, is you, know both the
job creating thing brings a lot more innovation and that
you can need our, needs you, know for housing much

(01:44:06):
more efficiently in terms of build, time the amount of
labor it, takes et.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Cetera, yeah AND i hate behaving like a school. Marm
and of Course stockholm is the city you are looking.
For it is also the largest.

Speaker 6 (01:44:16):
City is kind Of i'm only on my first copy, here.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
Okay but you, know we talk about the, numbers the,
shortfall looking shortfall in the skilled trades and what the
jobs reflected would look like if we adopted more of
this type of innovative. Approach it is a. Concern we
can reduce build, times we can talk about, emissions but
people still need to. Work does part of your policy
evaluation look at the number of jobs available versus the skilled,
trades traditional home building versus what we're potentially talking about

(01:44:43):
here in the, future modular and. Otherwise, YEAH i think.

Speaker 6 (01:44:46):
It all looks, different. Right it much is the same
way that you, know people building horse and buggies weren't
the same workforce as people building. Cars it just was
a different setup that, said you, KNOW i think there's
always going to be room for you, know a single family.
Home skilled trades LIKE i don't think that's going out
of fashion anytime.

Speaker 5 (01:45:03):
Soon it's JUST i.

Speaker 6 (01:45:04):
Think we have to look at the reality that we're looking,
at you, know a short call of half a million
workers and the need to build almost six million. Homes
so it's just We i'm not, saying you, know no
one's saying we need to just completely change the industry,
overnight but as the industry expands to kind of meet the,
needs we should expand in this different direction so that
we can actually meet those. Goals AND i don't think
that's going to necessarily put anyone out of. Work it's

(01:45:25):
just going to mean that we're going to be doing you,
know more for more for, less really is what we're
kind of talking.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
About there are SOME i think fairly legitimate concerns when
we talk about the housing code because skilled trades people
and they approach the code and the inspection to ensure
you're hitting code is a little bit different than when
we talk about modular. Homes they have improved in so
far as the material used and the ability to hit.
Code but is there a for scene issue there if
we use them at a large, scale because at a

(01:45:53):
small scale there could be you, know tweaks made at
the municipal, level which is really kind of the placeholder
for house houses being in this. Country so do we
have a code issue with much our? Homes so?

Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
COOL i don't think, so in the sense that you
can inspect them in the factory in a sense a
lot more easily and efficiently because you're effecting each, piece you,
know as it's, made like just a standard quality control
process and a factory versus doing it on site when
things are you, know already try walled in place, Sometimes
so you, KNOW i think that's not too much. Glory
WHERE i worry about codes really is that in so
many cases we're locking ourselves into doing things one.

Speaker 8 (01:46:26):
Way.

Speaker 6 (01:46:26):
Right so we have a company in our membership that
manufactures wireless switches and they essentially had to get a
change through the electrical code made or basically moved a
section from the coach to the building code to be
more flexible because it basically said a switch is the
thing with. Wires so for them making a wireless, switch
it just wasn't doable then be up To god at
the same. Time so they were able to get that,

(01:46:47):
changed but you know they would be the first to,
say you, know it's not feasible for us to make
these like piecemeal updates for. Everything SO i think really
one thing that we've been looking at is how do
we kind of move over to performance based. Codes and you,
know mass members come up in conversation and one thing
there it's always fire safety because we, say, oh we
have to build you know whatever out of concrete because
it has to stand up to. Fire but you, know

(01:47:07):
in a lot of other, herosictions they just say it
has to be able to burn for x amount of
time such that you have sad time to safely. Evacuate
and most mass timber can meet that really. Easily but
it's just if you're locked into a code that says
you have to do it one, way not need a,
standard then you know you're really locked in and then
you can't actually.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
INNOVATE i think that's WHERE i was going is with
wiring in particular not only to turn on the lights
but to heat the. Home that's WHERE i was kind
of referencing code related matters because they are different. Things
and if we talk about IF i look at a
video of a firefighting training video of nineteen sixty five
and the way it took so long for a house
to be engulfed in flames versus today with the materials we.

(01:47:45):
USE i, mean it's just two different things. Completely let's talk.
Cost it's one thing to produce build, times that's going
to be. Important but you, know investment in traditional construction
industry is one. Thing but upfront cost to produce like
a modular home building plant is that's quite a different.
Thing do we have an idea how the two? COMPARE i,
know it's not apples and, apples but costs up front

(01:48:05):
because that might you, know require government, intervention, repayables zero interest,
loans those types of things going to give the costs. Analysis.

Speaker 8 (01:48:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:48:13):
Sure so there's two kinds of layers to. This so
the first is the home. Itself and this is the
THING i, learned you, know doing this report that really surprised,
me and it seems like a really easy. Salt it's,
that you, know when you're actually getting construction finance to
build a, home the way the bank is processing it
is basically improvement on the land right is the way
they're looking at. It so if you're building a home on,
site it's pretty simple because the house is going, up

(01:48:34):
they can have a guy come by and check and
if you meet, milestones you, know things get dispersed and that's.
Great but if you're building a factory a factory build
home and it's only getting on site in the last,
minute you're left with a bit of a finance and
gap in traditional finance where you know you're not actually
improving the land kind of except all at once at the.
End so you, know this kind of creates a gap
where either consumers or the builder has to kind of

(01:48:55):
absorb the extra cost up front instead of being able
to finance. That so when you're looking at you, know
if you're if you're trying to build, like let's, say
a kind of a missing, middle you, know low, rise
midise kind of, building then you know the sticker shock
is going to be enormous because you're having to front
load all of those. Costs so if we're able to
kind of parse that out or move it, out and
there's a couple of ways we can do. IT i
think one is just to you, know have some kind

(01:49:17):
of dedicated lending facility or work with the banks to
kind of develop that for modular. Homes the OTHER i,
think you, know we can we have the new Bills
Canada Homes agency and maybe doing like long term procurement
contracts such.

Speaker 5 (01:49:28):
That you, know that's.

Speaker 6 (01:49:28):
Bankable they can kind of take that and and do
some financing around it because they know they have that
order in. Hand there's some options, here but you, know
really at the end of the, day the thing we
want to do is kind of level out this big
mountain of risk that consumers and builders are taking right up.
Front as you, said there's also the, factories which, is you,
know a different story in. THERE i, THINK i think
we just need to proven model and need to scale it.

(01:49:49):
Right but to do, that we kind of need to
address these other issues around the, codes around municipal processes and,
permitting around the value. Chain so it's all kind of
a piece and you kind of need to start moving
on all of these things more or less in. Parallel but,
YEAH i think these are all solvable, problems and you,
know you look at other countries and they've managed to do,
it and there's no reason we shouldn't be a world leader. Here,
right like we have all the we have all the.
Ingredients we have great, oaks really educated, population a lot of,

(01:50:12):
investment a lot of natural. Resources we just have to
put it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Together, yeah and we can't get carried, away get off
on the wrong. Foot you, know when you talk about
testing at, scale it's probably smart to have the first
one of these plants In dartmouth versus In, mississauga because
you've got to figure out how scale, works and figure
out proximity and figure out off front costs and financing
at a medium to small scale versus trying to satisfy
The toronto market or The vancouver. MARKET i would Suggest

(01:50:37):
laurent's good to have you on the. Show really appreciate making.

Speaker 5 (01:50:39):
Time of, course thanks so much for me On Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
Pleasure bye bye you. Too Laurent carboneaugh is the director
Of policy And research at The council Of Canadian. Innovators
let's take a breaknok.

Speaker 1 (01:50:49):
Away The Tim Power show shoing the conversation weekday afternoons
at four pm on YOUR.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Vocm welcome. Back let's go To lene number. Two take
you more to the executive director at The Eating Disorder.
Foundation that's our Friend Paul Toomey, paul you're on the.

Speaker 10 (01:51:03):
Air good, Morning. Patty how are you this?

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Morning that's kind how about?

Speaker 10 (01:51:07):
You, Oh i'm, great, sir. Great so i'll.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
Just set the stage. Here, IT'S i, guess just part
of the nature of. Business but it's unfortunate that you've
got to get back on the road so to speak
with an awareness campaign about eating. Disorders WHERE i look
to start is at the very basics. Here people still,
think and people still tell me that an eating disorder
is a choice that someone, made when that's not the
case at. All it couldn't be further from the.

Speaker 10 (01:51:32):
Truth, Yeah, patty you're absolutely. RIGHT i had the opportunity
last week to speak to The Rotary club In Happy,
Valley Goose, bay and the theme of my speech then
was breaking down the, myths and the biggest myth was
that eating disorders are not a. Choice they are a

(01:51:53):
serious mental. Illness and, unfortunately as much as we've been
talking about it for the nineteen close to twenty years
we've been in, existence there is still that view of
there that people don't understand the nuances of this very
very serious mental illness and think that people can make
decisions on whether they're going to eat or not, eat

(01:52:15):
and it's simply not.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
True, Right and this might be a strange, question but
the fact that so many people still think it's a,
choice how do you think that, impacts whether it be
families with someone has an eating, disorder or even you
as a foundation trying to spread the message and create
more programs and support, services what have.

Speaker 10 (01:52:31):
You, Well number, ONE i think it contributes to the
fact that there is still a stigma associated with eating,
disorders that people don't talk about it as openly as they.
SHOULD i realized that when The foundation was first formed
almost twenty years, ago very few people talked about eating.
Disorders very few people understood what they really, were and

(01:52:56):
that clearly has changed a. Lot more people have a
better understanding of eating disorders and people are coming forward more,
Quickly but there still is that stigma that's brought about
by the fact that they're shame associated with the illness
because they think it's something that the individuals can, control
whereas it is a mental. Illness and AGAIN i can't

(01:53:17):
say that often. Enough it really is a very serious mental.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
Illness it starts off the news story we talked about
just nineteen years. Ago we didn't have a single adult
eating disorder treatment. Program it wasn't until twenty eighteen where
there was an intake program specialized treatment for. Adults where's
the next gap to?

Speaker 10 (01:53:34):
Cover the next gap we think has to do with another,
myths and that myth has to do with the fact
that eating disorders were always seen as young women's disease
fourteen to twenty four and that was it that clearly
has been proven over the recent years to not be

(01:53:55):
true that eating the disorders de tech people of all,
genders all, races and all. Ages and more so than,
that it's not an illness that has a stop and
a start. Gache for a lot of, people it's something
that they're going to carry for the rest of their.
Lives so learning to deal with long standing and severe eating,

(01:54:16):
disorders eating disorders that are going to last a lifetime
or for multiple years for many, individuals is something that
we still have a lot of work to do. On
we have to find the new treatment, methods look at
the new researches out there that how do we help
people who have this long standing part of the disease

(01:54:38):
to actually cope and have as normal a life as
possible living with their eating.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Disorder, AGAIN i don't know how to couch this, question
but here it. Goes so an eating disorder is not a.
Choice but even when we talk about things like a
body dysmorphic, disease it is something that's. Developed so how
should we be talking about this because if we you,
know for, instance if your focus is On instagram and

(01:55:03):
all of a, sudden all you see is, beauty which
is not, real and the, consequently even minor flaws of
your own, self your own, look your own body, shape
all of a sudden develops itself into body dysmorphia may
eventually result in an eating. Disorder how do we tackle
that monumental? Issue is it about parenting or social media
controls or is it about? Education because it can happen

(01:55:25):
very innocently and the next thing you, know you have a.
Disorder you have a mental illness that has been developed
because of what you.

Speaker 10 (01:55:31):
SEE i think you're, Right. PATTY i think social media
in recent, years particular SINCE covid when people were dealing with,
isolation has definitely mitigated an expanded bad aspect of the
eating disorder because people are seeing those sorts of. Things
education is definitely a part of it for. Us we

(01:55:54):
want to focus on a healthy, body not about a,
shape AND i think we have to get away from
that that it's encouraging people to be healthy and to
do things that make them continue to be. Healthy so
our focus has got to be on body, image not
on specific body, types and we will continue to work

(01:56:15):
in that. Area we need to get into the school.
System it's one of the other areas that we've, tried
but we're not there. Yet that we need to getting
in and educating people at a much younger, age but
not only educating the students in the, school but helping
the teachers and the health professionals to be better aware
of eating, disorders better aware of what's impacting the young

(01:56:37):
people that they're they're in charge, of but also providing
education to the parents within the school. System so that's
one of our big challenges down the road as, well
is to be more to partner more with the school.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
SYSTEMS i, mean fighting the, telephone fighting the smartphone in our.
HANDS i don't even know where we, start and of
course everything does indeed start with that. Education education generally,
speaking starts at, home but we're so easily influenced by
what we see and some things are simply. Unattainable they just.
Are and plus it's worth reminding, folks for the vast
majority of the time why you see people post is

(01:57:13):
their lives at their very, best not at their very.
Worst and the images are not necessarily reality either about
how they actually look in real life versus some of
the manufactured stuff we. See and we all want to be,
better feel, better look, better be healthier and, whatnot but
we have to just be cautious in trying to achieve
the unattainable that's only available to, us you, know a

(01:57:36):
sliver of one percent of the population of the. World
SO i know that's sort of flight of fancy kind of,
stuff but it's real and it's hard to.

Speaker 10 (01:57:42):
Combat, yeah it really, is, Patty and certainly it's the
onus is going to be on families and non parents
and that to understand that and imparted to their. Children
but it's ALSO i think important that the school system
plays a, role even at an early, age to be
imparting that kind of a message because the world we

(01:58:04):
live in has definitely changed with social, media and we
probably haven't caught up with understanding that there are good
parts of social media and there are other parts that
are not so, good and teaching our young people how
to distinguish between the two is going to be a
challenge that we're going to face for many years to,
come for.

Speaker 2 (01:58:23):
Sure, paul appreciate the. Time anything Else before we say goodbye.

Speaker 10 (01:58:26):
Now, PATTY i just want to remind people that we
do have our survey out right now that is asking
people to tell us what you know about eating, disorders
tell us what you know about the, Foundation where do
you think we should be going in the. Future we
are moving into our twentieth year anniversary starting In, november
and so we decided to do this, survey which is

(01:58:48):
open to everybody in this. Province you can access it
through our website or through our social. Media but we'd
love to have a great number of people in this,
province not only people who are dealing with eating disorders right,
now the people who don't even know a lot about,
us to respond to the. Survey tell us what you,
know tell us what you don't, know so that we
can plan to be more effective as we move into

(01:59:12):
our third decade of. Existence appreciate the, Time, paul thank,
You thank, You, patty really appreciate your reaching out.

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
Anytime all the, Best, Okay i'll be. There all, right
there you. Go It's Paul, toom executive director at The
Eating Disorder. Foundation let's see, Here let's get our final
break in the, morning and when we come, Back kathy's
got a question about but the potential for a new,
rebate and then time for. You don't go, away welcome back
to the. Show let's go to line number. One, kathy
you're on the.

Speaker 8 (01:59:37):
Air, Hi, Derek, PATTY i just have a question for. You,
okay how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
Today, First i'm, Fine thank. You how about? You?

Speaker 5 (01:59:46):
Oh pretty.

Speaker 8 (01:59:47):
Good i'm just curious about SOMETHING i, heard maybe a
rebate for. SENIORS i THINK i came out sometime early
In october the, news BUT i don't know if it's
it's a thing or.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
Not do you know that these are always tricky questions
because there's so many little different niche pots of money
That i'm not so sure what one you might have heard.
About so there's a few that come to. Mind one
is the what they call The Aging Well, grant which
is four hundred. Dollars you can get that, annually so that's,
one and there is actually a pledge to double that

(02:00:23):
then there is the New seniors, benefit which might be
what you're talking. About it's tax, free it's an annual
payment up TO i think around fifteen hundred. Dollars so
those two come to mind right off the.

Speaker 8 (02:00:35):
Bat, okay so is that like passed or do you
know the? Date if it's coming, out they're both.

Speaker 2 (02:00:45):
Out you can apply for both of them. Through apparently
there's no application required for The senior's. Benefit it's all
based on. Income so if in your last tax, FILING
i think the for the eligibility for, that which is
about fifty thousand, seniors it's adjusted family net income of
around thirty thousand, dollars you qualify for the maximum around
fifteen hundred. Dollars you don't have to apply for that.

(02:01:07):
One but The Aging well, grant you. Do you have
to apply for that.

Speaker 8 (02:01:10):
One, Yes i've had that one four AND i think it's, annually,
Right so then you have to apply for. That, yeah,
OKAY i got that. One so, yeah so it is
a thing we should get it maybe In january for
the seniors we're talking.

Speaker 2 (02:01:29):
About, Yeah i'm not sure exactly when the date is
for The Aging WELL i mean last year it took
months for it to be, processed so people got it
at different. Times it all depends on when your application went.
In so first, come first serve kind of. Stuff but
in The Senior's, benefit if people are, eligible you get
that one. Quarterly you get at the same time you
get like YOUR gst.

Speaker 8 (02:01:49):
Credit, okay so it'll be tapped down to THE.

Speaker 2 (02:01:52):
Gst, well it comes separate, tech but it comes at
the same. Time.

Speaker 8 (02:01:56):
Okay, yeah BECAUSE i was thinking it was like another
name liked for cost of living allowance or something like.
THAT i don't know if that's all the same.

Speaker 2 (02:02:05):
Thing that might be the aging well ground because that
was a cost living. Issue people can use it for
getting the driveway shoveled or groceries or stuff like.

Speaker 8 (02:02:14):
That yeah, right, okay Thanks, patty.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
No problem at. All all, right have a great day you.
Too all the best by but there you.

Speaker 4 (02:02:22):
Go.

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
Yeah sometimes it's a bit tricky to know about exactly
what pot of money people might be referred to because
there's different cost of living measures. Too, Right so there's
the what AM i trying to? Say oh so half
of the provincial portion of the gas tax. Gone they
took off the fifteen percent retail sales tax on home,

(02:02:46):
insurance for. Instance so there's a bunch of little different
things out, there and then people may indeed qualify for
The disability Tax, credit consequently qualify for the disability, benefit
qualify for the disability pension. Fund so when people, say you,
know is there a new rapaid for this or, that
it's kind of the best what we're talking. About and
there's all different eligibilities for all kinds of different. Things

(02:03:09):
but IF i missed, one then you THINK i should
be talking about let me, know because my mind is.
Swimming Plus i'm. Exhausted that's all the. Line umber three
is taking morning To Gerard brendan With Legion branch number
one joining us on three And gerard around the.

Speaker 5 (02:03:21):
Air, Morning, tatty how are? You this?

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
Morning couldn't be? Better how about? You?

Speaker 5 (02:03:26):
ABOUT i just wanted to get a public service, Message. Shelty,
Here i'm here At branch one now at The legion
And Black March. Road they're host seeing a vaccination to
make here this morning is auntil about two o'clock to.
Day if anybody's interested in swinging by getting THE covid
or flu.

Speaker 2 (02:03:41):
Vaccination fair, enough and you, know access is an important
feature of trying to get one of these, vaccines and
you can get both of them at the same time
if you're so.

Speaker 5 (02:03:51):
Inclined, yes, absolutely it's being conducted BY i guess pharmacists
From shoppers Drug man and on The Marching. Road that's
who's conducting the next station to, me because it's not
very busy here, now AND i suspect you'll probably pick
up now once this public service message.

Speaker 2 (02:04:06):
Out well hopefully. SO i appreciate the. Time it's a
good thing for the for the usage of a place
like The.

Speaker 5 (02:04:13):
Legion, yeah, exactly A Blackburn brench wanted where it's actually,
react got.

Speaker 2 (02:04:18):
IT i don't suppose you've got a flip or dinner
going at the same.

Speaker 5 (02:04:20):
Time, no not undergo that, today for, sure But i'm
sure it will be opportunities to come up.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
Soon fair, enough, LISTEN i appreciate your, time thanks for
letting us, Know.

Speaker 5 (02:04:28):
Gerard, yeah no, problem Any thank you very, much.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
Anytime all the best.

Speaker 5 (02:04:33):
Cheers.

Speaker 2 (02:04:33):
Oute, yeah there you. Go and of course people ARE
i think taking advantage of And i'm soon going to
have to is take advantage of the no cash out
of pocket for the shingles, vaccine WHICH i think has
become pretty popular now that the government has made that.
Move and at the time they first announced it kind
of felt like reverse, engineering didn't. It they had a

(02:04:54):
million dollars available for, it and then it was only
folks sixty five or, older and then people were, asking, well,
hey what it's the problem, Here why DON'T i DON'T i?
Qualify and then they changed. It and you have to
assume that it's not just about people who may indeed get,
shingles but it was the potential for hospitalization as you,
age and we know that to be. True as you

(02:05:14):
get older and older and older and you get, shingles
it does increase your possibility to be. Hospitalized SO i
think that's kind of how they measured eligibility on that.
Front so is there also a grocery rebate this? Year
there was last year and it was one time and
it was two hund and fifty. Bucks so, again IF
i missed one of the pots of money that are out,

(02:05:37):
there please do indeed let us know so we can
make sure that people are made aware and the aging
well grant it's really totally worthwhile applying for. IT i,
mean there's some eligibility crimeterarity that it has to be.
Applied and you, KNOW i remember at one point they
were talking about asking or encouraging seniors who get the
four hundred dollars to keep. Proceipts, look come, on, government

(02:05:59):
give me a. Break if you give someone four hundred
dollars and they choose to Give johnny up the street
twenty bucks to shovel the, driveway what are you going
to Get johnny to create a receipt if you get
someone to deliver your? Groceries can we not just consider
that if you're, eligible and given the cost of living
pressures that so many are, facing specifically folks on a fixed,

(02:06:19):
income just give them money if they're. Eligible just giving them.
Money we can't be chasing people around four receipts like
When johnny mow the lawn Or richie shovel the driveway
Or jane shovel the. Walkway let's just put the money
out there if they, qualify and they can do as
they see. Fit all, right check in on The twitter
box before we run out of. Time where vosim up in.
Line you know what to. Do you can follow us

(02:06:40):
there email addresses open line AT vosm dot. Com all,
right a couple of quick notes before we get. Going
SOMETIMES i get, ask you, know why do we talk about?
This talk about? That you know, me we can talk
about whatever you want to talk. About but on the federal,
front you, know there's people asking about getting people's reactions
to some of the comments from Mister poliev regarding the
disastrous leadership at THE rcmp and quoting specific mentions of

(02:07:04):
the Criminal code and asserting that it was broken by
Former Prime minister Of trudeau and wat is not being
done about it and cover ups at the Leadership Brenda
lockey in particular former what they called superintendent to THE
rcp is not the right word. Anyway and we're taking our.
Emails it's open land AT vocm dot. Com AND i
know it's not of great importance to plenty of, folks

(02:07:26):
but here Comes game four this evening in The World.
Series Sarah strickland sitting in the other booth getting ready
FOR vocm at, noon obviously one of the biggest baseball
fans in the, building joining yours. Truly AND i don't
know IF i got nine innings about in me to,
night BECAUSE i had. Eighteen, WELL i didn't have eighteen
innings in me last, night BUT i did it, anyway
what an? IDIOT i wrote a tweet at four to
twenty three this, morning like what is my? PROBLEM i

(02:07:48):
get up at five point thirty, Right so, anyway Go jays.
Go let's see are you ready to, go sar BECAUSE
i got to go to the. Bathroom all, right good show,
today big thanks to all, hands all the, callers, listeners, emailers.
Tweeters you're all. Right we will indeed pick up this
conversation again to mour morning right here ON vocm and
Big land FM's Open. Line i'm behalf of the Producer David.

(02:08:09):
Williams i'm your Host Patty. Daily have yourself a, safe,
fun happy. Day we'll talk in the. Morning. Go jay's,
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