Tuesday Sept 2nd

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Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning in to the program. It's Tuesday,
September the second. This is open Line. I'm your host,
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which is eighty six twenty six. So the Galway Hitman
went into Sunday at the National Fast Pitch Softball Championships
needing three straight wins to repeat as national champions and
did exactly that, and in dramatic fashion in Game three,
down one nil into the seventh inning, they get a

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couple of hits, a couple of runs, defended their national titles.
So absolutely brilliant stuff. That's the tenth national championship for
the Galway Hitman. Congratulations to them, of course. And let's
go to the US Sop checking on Canadians at the
final Grand Slam of the year out of Flushing, New York.
So Felix Ojali seeing a few years ago he was

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like a top ten player in the world. Comes into
the US Open this year having a pretty good summer
and had a great weekend. So first off on Friday,
it gets through the number three seed Sasha Zverev, and
then yesterday up against the fifteen seed Alexander Rubelev and
handle him pretty easily. So after the quarterfinals, which is
absolutely brilliant stuff, he gets Australian alex Demnoir tomorrow maybe

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get through Demnoor to set up a semi final with
the world number one Yanick Sinner. And on the double
side on the women's so Gabby Debrowski from Ottawa is
one of the doubles players in the world. Herner a
partner from a New Zealand girl named Aaron Routlift there
after the quarterfinals and then you see Leila Annie Fernandez
playing with Venus Williams, the legend and Venus at the

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age of forty five looking pretty good out there. So
it's the young and the old, the petite versus what
is a really big player in Venus Williams. They're after
the quarterfinals, so pretty great stuff. Canadian's doing okay at
the big tournament all right. Just to checking out the
Women's World Cup of Rugby, so you know, the men
get a lot of attention here, but Kana is actually
the second ranked team in the world, just behind New Zealand.

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They got through the first couple of matches absolutely claborate
Fiji and then demolished Wales over the weekend, beating forty
two nil. Last round robin game is on Saturday, coming
against Scotland and then we'll see. But they're looking pretty
solid there. Okay, let's get back at it. So back
to school. So today the teachers, administrators and another staff

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will be in the school preparing for tomorrow the arrival
of the students. Last week and this is something that
I'm going to take a little bit of time to
try to digest and understand. The enormity of the Educational Court.
So it is a massive tome and there's saw like
one hundred and ten recommendations in it. I did read
through as much as I could handle over the course
of the weekend. But this is a report that is

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going to have to be taken extremely seriously because we
all see what's happening in academic outcomes and issues inside
the province of schools were not where we need to be.
So let's see where we go, and we will indeed
try to set up a conversation with the CODE chairs
good Now and Burke here on the program. Carl good
Now and I'm Burke, all right. So they break it
up into four key areas, health and well being, early learning,

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educational engagement and transformation, and post secondary education throughout a
person's life. A real key emphasis on well being. So
we talk about the social determinants of health inside the
Health of the Court, but the social determinants of learning
in the gay education system probably don't get enough attention.
So whether we talk about access to nutritious food, stable
housing and what have you. But let's see here. So

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they're recommending the creation of these well being teams and
an education advocate to be established within the next year,
and of course we can talk about the need for
a disability advocate as well. But inside the world of education,
these are massive conversations, all right. They make some recommendations
about curriculum, talk about digital literacy, which is pretty important obviously,

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you know, whether it be awareness of and utilization of
things like artificial intelligence, how to spot missing disinformation. They
also talk about teaching of financial literacy, which again there
is some of that that goes on in the province
of schools, but formulized curric formalized curriculum inside financial literacy
a big deal. Then they talk about something which I

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don't know how it's going to be understood at the
NLTA necessarily, but it's about learning centric approach to meet
children where they are education that could absolutely conform to
their own individual learning style. It sounds about right, but
with the workload already on the teacher shoulders here in
the province, trying to tailor education delivery to individual students

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across the board tricky piece of business. So they'll get
into things like dealing with violence in schools, dealing with them,
try to improve academic outcomes and all the rest and
so we will try to have the two co chairs
on the program to help break this down a little further.
One thing that they do talk about is the youth
involved in the justice system and trying to make sure

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that even if you are in the system, you continue
to be offering opportunities to learn, because at some point
you won't be in the system. So that makes sense
to me. One of the key takeaways for me is
that for the first time, really inside the pages of
this Education Accord is talking about the need for not
just the focus of education to be held at the

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Department of Education, but the various of the departments that
absolutely play a critical role, Child Youth and Family Services,
the Department of Justice, the Department of Health, Community Services,
and yes, the Department of Education and others. So one
of those areas that they pretty much say we need
an interdisciplinary approach is to deal with chronic apsenteism. Look,

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you have to believe that chronic absenteeism is a hallmark
of a bunch of different things that dovetail inside the schools,
whether it be violence and bullying, and we can get
into some of those numbers, but they do break it
down pretty clearly here. They say through primarily in relation
to systemic disruptions like whether related school closures, examinations, not
curricular activities. But they go on to say things like absenteeism,

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chronic aps andeism represents if you're missing from school ten
percent of the school days without a verified or some
sort of reasonable explanation. That's a tricky piece of business.
So whether it is a transportation issue, or issues regarding poverty,
or something going on inside the family unit at home,

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but we need to know why children are in school,
and that does require a bunch of different departments to
be involved here. Again, you're probably tired of hearing me
talk about this one particular facet of what's happening in schools.
But this number is clear and it is extremely troubling.
If you're chronically absent in grade six, seventy five percent

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of those students never graduate high school. That's pretty alarming
number as far as I'm concerned. Then we get into
the basics of having the type of supports required. We
heard the province talk about twenty million dollars to hire
four hundred additional positions through a variety of disciplines and
experience in training. Where is that and then we have
the annual unfortunate reality of some students who the schools

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know and know they require certain levels of support, teacher
assistance or whatever the case may be, but it's not
there on day one, So we get off two way
sluggish start. A bad start is hard to catch up
on inside school. Then it's the basics class size and
class composition, which they do deal with here. I think

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it's been widely acknowledged that inclusive education conceptually speaking, makes
all the sense in the world, but we're not hitting
the sweet spot. We're just not. It's fine and dandy
to say to be inclusive is the right pathway forward,
whether it comes to understanding the different makeup of the community,
people's challenges and or exceptionalities, but we have to deal

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with it appropriately. Just having everyone inside the same school
does not include does not pardon me, equal inclusivity. So
that class composition issue is real, And then you know,
I think you dovetail that with things like once again
back to chronic caps and teism. How often do teachers
have to read, tread, and redeliver curriculum because the student

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would be missing for whatever reason, they're sick or they're
at a swim meet, or they have an issue at home,
whatever the case may be. So we will indeed try
to invite the two aforementioned co chairs on the program.
It's also worth pointing out, I can't remember what you're
maybe twenty seventeen there was an education related summit and

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a report that came out. I believe it was called
Now's the time. Well, now was the time, and now
this time it absolutely has to be the time for
transformation inside the system. You can point to the Healthy
Court as being critically important in the ten year roadmap,
and it is. But for me, getting it right in
education can indeed see a lot of reforms come to

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things like interaction with the healthcare system. What do you
think you want to talk about it? We can do it.
And so back to school, it's probably worth reminding our
children who are going back to school tomorrow about being aware,
whether it be getting on and off the bus. And
that also goes for the motoring public, and you know,
maybe leave your phone in your pocket while you try

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to navigate the crosswalk and or when you get into
the classroom itself, because we know the rules have changed
there and you want to take it on, let's go right,
So the province is now announcing an expansion of the
electric vehicle charging station network. So the pential government putting
up three point eight million dollars hydro four hundred and
sixty thousand dollars for four fast charging stations next year

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in Southern Labrador. So there's also going to be additional
ten ultra fast chargers, so for compatible electric vehicles or
up to eighty percent of the charge. In the little
as twenty minutes talk about St John's East Carbonair, Grand Falls,
windsor Cornerback Cocks Bay each getting two new stations. All right,
there's somewhere there able to two hundred and twenty public
of private level two charging stations, whether it be at

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hotels or shopping malls, restaurants, offices, government facilities. The argument
made by many is that the motoring public, through their
taxes so to speak, did not spend money to build
and operate gas stations. And so even Dannis Brown, the
province's consumer advocate, has made this argument that we shouldn't

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ask taxpayers pay for these electric vehicle charging stations. Me personally,
I have no issue with it, but I get that
pushback all the time. Speaking of electricity, let's keep the
conversation regarding the Upper Churchill Memorandum of understanding. Let's keep
it going. It just popped out of my mouth last week.
Myself and Dave Williams will work towards trying to organize

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a conversation that would include people like Jennifer Williams, the
CEO of newflann lebad Or Hydro, Carl Smith, one of
the negotiators, and then folks who have whether they were
signatories to the letter last week asking for the memorandum
of understanding to be torn up, and or other notables
who have been speaking publicly about the need to rethink
and or maybe walk away from the deal. So your

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perspective is absolutely welcome. I guess the starting point will be,
and we're trying to organize this is we need someone
who was involved in examining twenty forty one to plant
the seed so that we can have a better understanding
of the implications of not only twenty forty one, but
of this particular contract. So anything, and there's a lot
to it. If you want to bring your point of

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view to the program on the UC the UC MoU,
we're absolutely happy to take it on. All right, A
couple of quickies, and I appreciating the listeners send along
some information they've garnered from one department to another, and
this one is Health and the National Parremacare. I've asked
out loud as to why we haven't signed on to
the national Paramacare program. The first phase rollout, of course,

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is for diabetes medications and supplies, and also for contraceptives.
We're already paying right as federal tax payers. We are
already contributing to the funding for the National Pharmacare. But
here's an update from a listener. So the profits goes
on to talk about focusing on preventative care, chronic disease management,
addressing the social determinis of health as one of the priorities.

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But here's the key here. Based on the federal election,
of course, there was a halt in a variety of conversations,
and of course prorogation didn't help for legislation that had
not made its way through royal descent. The department staff
have reached out to their Health the counterparts to resume
Farbercare discussions. As of yet, Health Canada has not yet

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re engaged. So while people were wondering as to why
the Province seems to be dragging their heels. Maybe it's
more of a case that the Province has tried to
get back into these conversations with Health Canada and Health
Canada not coming back to the table. So and why
could that be the case. If that's going to be
the entity that the provinces and provincial governments across the

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country need to engage with, then maybe just maybe Health
Canada you can do it. Maybe come back to the table,
because as I just said, we're already paying in support
of the funding for National Firemacare. But that's an update
from the province itself. All right. A couple more things
in the healthcare front. So there's a story in the

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news about the numbers of people who have been offered
either temporary, full time or permanent full time jobs as
registered nurses, and the numbers are encouraging, but still some
confusion as to how the reliance on travel nurses and
the one hundreds of million dollars we spent on it,
and the pathway to reducing our alliance on set travel
nurses so that one's in there. And then this was predictable.

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While the province told us it was such a great
idea to amalgamate some sixty splintered contracts regarding road ambulance
into one entity and bringing air ambulance into the same thing.
We knew full well we were on the pathway to
having a paramedic shortage, and here we are. So response
times and the effectiveness of the ambalance system in part

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has to be part of the reason for some of
the hiccups that people continue to see. It's kind of
have some relationship to the paramedic shortage. So maybe Rodney
Goodnow or some of Dave, maybe we should get him
on and see exactly where we are and what the
heck is going on right there? A couple more so
while there was a big drive and I don't know

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if it's waned or not too bylocal, which is always
a good idea as far as I'm conservatives, your money,
you do what you want. What's an absolutely unfortunate reality
is grocery stores. We all feel the pinch when we
walk into a grocery store because the price of everything
is completely out of control. But the grocery retailers are
not playing fair. And I'm not suggesting necessarily all about price,

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but the misleading signage and the misleading labels when people
think they're buying something made in Canada or a product
of Canada. It's now been revealed that there was violations
that are identified by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency between
February and May, involving national grocery store changes. That they
found that there was plenty of examples of exactly that

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what they call maple washing. They're telling us something is
a product of or made in Canada, just to find
out that it is not. So they were taking advantage
of that sentiment that people were sharing fair and wide
that maybe just maybe will be a bit more conscious
about what we buy and where it's from. But they
were purposefully bamboozling shoppers into thinking they were doing something

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to buy local, and in fact they were not. Here's
the trick. The Canadian Food Inspection Agency has the ability
to impose fines up to fifteen thousand dollars per offense,
but zero finds, zero penalties were brought to bear with
the issues that they identified. So it's ridiculous. If these
big retailers have purposefully misled their shoppers, then why are

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there any fines? Because a fine main deed stop another
retailer in its tracks from doing the same thing. But
when they know there's no fine, then unless they're caught,
they're going to keep going. So in an agency such
as the CFIA can impose a fine, and they didn't
impose any for all of these violations that they discovered.
It's ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. So for those retailers out there

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who have seen the no fines issued, what's the liq?
They're going to change their ways? What do you think?
All right, a couple more quick ones before we get
to you rent control. So we've seen the numbers. So
last year this problems had the HUT increase in rent
costs some seven point eight percent, way above the national average.

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It is tricky. It's hard enough to find a place,
especially we're talking about the northeast Avalon for instance, and
then even if you find one, it's the affordability target.
There's plenty of arguments pro and con about rent control,
but we have arrived, and we've been here for a
long time about the conversation that we should engage in
rent control in some form has been brought to reality

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in many provinces across the country. Let's look at some
of the examples. British Columbia three percent. These numbers indicate
the amount of rent increase that is allowed for by
landlords BC three percent, Manitoba one point one percent, Ontario
two point five percent, who bruns with three percent, Nova
Scotia five percent, Prince sid Red Island two point three percent,
Yukon somewhere between two and five percent. They have a

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bit of a floating target. It's not a terrible idea.
Right now. Landlords will say, hey, I'm the one footing
the bill, I'm the one whose name is on the
mortgage at the bank, and the cost of all the
inputs have gone up. And yes, they're right, but so
has the cost for the renter. So are we at
a place where we can have a realistic, a pragmatic
conversation about rent control. It's something that I need to

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hear from you because my opinion, whatever your opinion, is
what makes the show work. So if you want to
take it on, let's go very last one. A story
that caught national attention has spurred many conversations about what's
reasonable in an effort to defend your home, your family,
your property if and when there's an intruder inside. Okay,

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the case in Ontario, which we've now learned more about.
The homeowner has been charged with how he went about
defending himself and his property. Okay, of course politicians are
going to latch onto this. And now mister Poliev talking
about doing away with some of the reasonablest issues regarding

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what you can and cannot do. He's introduced the idea
of presumed reasonableness in any and using any force to
repel someone unlawfully in your home. And that sounds like
it makes sense right if you look at and compare
our self defense laws with other modern day jurisdictions, we
have pretty strong laws. Now, Yes, what's reasonable for you

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might be different what's reasonable for Dave. And of course,
if you are awoke in the middle of the night
with an intruder in your home, reasonableness has to have
some sort of coupling with fear as to what you
think you can and should be able to do. But
there's a couple of examples that I've seen put for Okay,
if you are in someone's home and you were saying,

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for instance, initially welcomed in, but then we're told to
leave for whatever reason, you got rowdy, insulted the wife,
or you got too drunk, whatever the case may be.
And this is kind of how reasonable works. If I'm
told you have to leave my home and you refuse to,
at that point you are unlawfully in someone's home. So
if we're talking about the technicalities of how the criminal

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code is worded, if I tell you to get out
and you do not, you are then technically unlawfully in
my home. So then what what's reasonable to deal with
that person, because that's a different circumstance than a home intruder.
But by letter of the law, these are things we
have to consider, which is why politicians really don't think
things through very clearly when they latch on to public sentiment,

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public worry, or public outrage regarding the fact that the
homeowner got charged. So anyway, it's a big one. But anyway,
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show 's begin on the top of the board, line

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number one. Good morning, Brian, you're on the air. Hi, Brian.
Hello there, Brian, you're on the air. Brian online number one?
Are you there? Dave can use see if you can

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figure that out for me? Yeah, all right, let's see.
Let's go to the line number four. Wanda, you're around
the air.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Hi, Patty, how are you, Thorning?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
I'm fine, thank you? How about you?

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Good?

Speaker 5 (21:16):
Well, I'm saying good, not really good. We had a conversation.
I think you know why. You've got a couple of
emails from me. So I'm going to try to keep
this as I guess, as straightforward as I can without
going into too much detail. I don't they have so
much time.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
I realized that that's okay.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Let me just at the stage. Why didn't I have
talked in the past and exchanged some emails. And this
is about access to detox rehab and the like, And
of course it was come across as a good news
story where the province society to allow Biden over recovery
to that's a new rehab facility out there which seems
to have a really good plan to allow them to
build MCP. But there's a stall in the process. Where

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are we?

Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, so my son is presently a corner Brook so waiting.
He's on a wait list to get into humber Wood
out there. So he's out there and he's on a
short weaight list basically not going to be short weight. However,
Vitanova is you know, opening up next Monday, so September eighth,
and MCP had, you know, come out, the Minister Howells

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had come out and announced that MCP would be covering
people who want to go there for their addiction issues.
So I got a letter addressed to me from her myself.
Vitanova were told that they were going to be covering,
you know, on their MCP. So you know, he's actually

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my son is actually on the list in vita Nova
as well. So he gets an email on Friday afternoon
from the director of Vitanova saying that MCP now are
not ready, They're not ready to to fund right, So
what the style is I really don't know. So I'm
sure they're scratching their heads as well. I mean, I've

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talked to the director out there myself. Melissa Wells is
the director out there. I've had a meeting with her myself.
I mean, I think it's going to be a great program.
We have two inpatient rehabs for adults in the province
right now, which is the Grace in Harvard Grace and
humble Wood in Cornerbrook. So this is my this is
this is not our first rodeo with the province and

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trying to get my son into rehab. So this is
now going to be his third stint in rehab. And
for the past two years he's been on a wait
list to go to inpatient uh you know rehab here
in New Zoundland, and both times it was a three
month wait. So of course when someone is ready to
go into rehab and to get well, they can't wait

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two or three months to get in, you know.

Speaker 7 (23:49):
So this is not our first rodeo.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
We've been I've been down this block our page for
him now twice to go out of province on my
own dome. I'm a retired nurse. You know, I'm take
taking money from my own income. You know, I've worked
for this province for thirty five years plus, given my
Swiss and you know tears to healthcare, only to be
told I can't get my son into a rehab in

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this province. Now is a month long program going to
be what's adequate for my son? Probably not? But here
here's here's the cross in that if you don't exhaust
every option here in the province first, you know, so
they have to go to at least two rehabs here,
do the aftercare, so on and so forth, to get
out of province, like say Homewood in Guelph. I mean,

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that's like an eighth month long program. He has, you know,
addictionary issue since he's fifteen, he's now thirty three, you know,
And so if he can't get into our province's rehabs,
how in the name of God can he ever get
a referral to go out of province? And this is
what we're up against.

Speaker 8 (24:51):
I mean I have called, you know, I have emailed
the minister, Minister Howells many times or mata here, beaten
all them myself.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
I've belonged to a group called the Guardians of Recovery.
Who are you know, doing a great job and trying
to advocate advocate for you know, these are our children
and and you know so and then you get people
coming back. Well, you know, if you put drug drug
addicts through the program two or three times what are
we you know, we're gonna keep paying for that. That's
like saying to someone that has cancer or has lung

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cancer and they smoke dollar likes, well they need surgery, okay,
to go in for surgery. Who he thinks paying for
I mean they have to pay a surgeon, they had
to pay antentphesiology, they have to pay a nursing staff,
whatever the case may be. But yet, because it's an addiction,
addiction is a chronic disease. In case nobody realizes this,
I mean, I'm just ready to pull my hair out here.
So so as many times as they need to go okay.

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So because really at the end of the day, what
we want is recovery. What we want is in a
timely matter, and it's just not here. So I've had
to send my son out of province choice. And then
people will look at you and say, oh, well, you're enabling,
You're enabling, You're doing you know tried. You know, I'm
not just advocating for me, I'm advocating for I mean

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I talked to oh my god, humptyen people that are
in the same boat as I am, and we just
cannot get it through to government's head, you know, and
you mean the minister herself, everybody knows addiction is a
chronic disease. And then you get mental health, you know,
floating over on top of that, then to add insult injury.
And I mean I heard the call over last week

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on the phone. Sheery called in both mental health and addictions.
Don't even get me started on that. I mean, they
got a new building in there, not one program, not
one bed is allocated for addictions. And and her she
had a family member in there. Now I know I'm
going I'm rambling, and I know I am, but she
had a family member in there who never who wanted

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to stay there, and.

Speaker 6 (26:50):
They discharged her.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
And she's now out of province and they're paying out
their pockets because this woman is going to die unless
she gets rehabing this province. And you just can't get it, so,
you know, and then they're all patent ourselves on the
back government of socials. I mean, I'm not trying to
make this political here, but at the end of the day,
that people who are in power are the ones who
have to support, you know, our children. They need to

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support our children getting help, and they're just not doing it.
And it just doesn't cut us.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Just a couple of questions, Wanda, So I hear that
stuff all the time too. Is you know why do
we pay for this endless cycle of rehab, relapse, reha, relapsed. Well,
the fact of the matter is, not only are we
talking about someone's overall individual health because it is a
chronic illness, but it's also interaction with other areas of life,
like the healthcare system, because coming with addiction comes a

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lot of complicated health issues on top of your addiction,
and also the possibility to interact with the criminal justice system,
the two most expensive things in this world. Has your
son run a foul of the law?

Speaker 5 (27:52):
No, thank god, I've got a great scot He had
one stance in whit them when he was seventeen years old,
and thanks be to God. I mean he has not
he's not been in the digital system since.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
When it comes to his first two stints in rehab,
was relapse immediate or how did life look for him
upon leaving rehab regardless of how long is?

Speaker 9 (28:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (28:15):
Right, so the first program was a month lying at
both of these were in Nova Scotia. The other one
was three months. And yes, he did have sobriety following
and I would say probably last two or three months.
But the problem is when someone gets out of rehab,
if they're going right back in the same environment. I mean,
my son is now thirty three, Like I'm not talking

(28:35):
back when he was sixteen. I mean, so in the past,
this has been well, he went last year the year before,
both times in Nova Scotia. And then what happens is
that he gets out he has no stable place, so
both you know, he stayed in Nova Scotia, he had
no stable place to live. So you know, then you're
back in with the same group. He's a musician, so

(28:56):
he's back into that scene because it's all he knows.
And so there's a sumbling box there, right, And this
is where you know, I'm hoping that our government will
follow through on sober home promises because these are the
this is the stability that they need. And actually Vita
Nova will be offering sober home living right. They have

(29:17):
ten ten separate buildings out there for people to go
to after who need further help, and you know, so
they don't get the same level of supportive but they
still get.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Support sure, and they also have that line you know,
no gap between detox and rehab, which is a really
big one that needs to be understood by the province.
So I'll chase this a little bit. People are you know,
chiming in via email the messages saying this is just
the nature of government procurement. But I don't necessarily understand
that because we're not talking about procure materre Vitanova was

(29:48):
built by private money. The only issue at play was
whether or not MCP was going to be built versus
people on the pay out of pocket. So not so
sure about government procurement plays. But I will chase this
and see if I can find out a bit more
Wanda anything else before I do have to go.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
No, the only thing I will say is that I want,
you know, to get a big shout out to anybody
who's supported me and like my family. I was in
Cornerbrook last week and went to a celebrate recovery group
in a religious based group, but they offer a recovery
centered approach and their faith based book. Okay, I'll take it,
and they were great. And also the Guardians of Recovery

(30:23):
and the people involved in Guardians of Recovery from Tina
Olivero break down to other parents, who have you been
in contact with me? So, you know what, I'm here
to support our people. I'm here to support our community
of Placenter. I'm starting my own support group here for
parents and of loved ones and stuff with addictions in September.

(30:43):
And I've got that on the role and so you know,
and that's where it is. And I really hope that
other people will call in. I'm hoping someone from DA
Noble will call in. I'm hoping Minister Howell's will get
on the line. Where are the politicians. They're not speaking
of birth they they're not No, And again, thank you
for your call. I don't know if it went off,
you know, killed her two toms, but I'm very passionate

(31:03):
about this. And this is like, this is not something
that I've been dealing with for two years. This is
eighteen years.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
Off and on.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
So yeah, you know, And and the last thing I'd
like to say is that the you know, government people
are and the people that are in power, they're the
people who have the voice. Because but we had to
take it upon ourselves to educate ourselves to end the
stigma that goes lin with addiction. And the other thing
is We had a meeting last night about our rally

(31:32):
next week, and I had one I had a young
girl here who's the one hundred and ten days Sober
God Lover, and she went to her she went to
the Gray Center and she tells me, and this is
testimony from her, most times, the beds are not full
out there. It was never full when she was there.
And the same thing with Humble Wood. So I call
on people who are in power, why aren't the beds

(31:53):
full when there's a weight list of two or three months.
And that's that's That's where I'll end it. And I
really appreciate your time, and I hope we get a
lot of feedback on this today.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I appreciate yours and good luck, Wanda, thank you.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Patty, You're welcome, Bye bye, Hope. So that was good.
Let's get to the break. Let me come back a
retired educator in the que to talk about back to school.
That's Wally Child's and the plenty of show for you.
Don't go away, Welcome back to the show. Let's go to
light number five. Good morning, Wally, you're on the air.

Speaker 10 (32:22):
Good morning, Patty, how are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Couldn't be better. How about you.

Speaker 10 (32:26):
Well, I'm here on the West coast, best coast this morning.
It's a beautiful sunny day, and uh, you know, I'm
hoping the best for you guys in that way as well,
after the rough summer you've had with all the fires
and everything.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, it's actually a lovely day here. And I'm glad
you mention the wildfires because someone asked me, you know,
why didn't I talk about the wildfire wildfire issue here
this morning. Look, that's the furthest thing from over Fires
might be under control, fires might be extinguished, but now
the cleanup begins. Now the concept of how and where
to rebuild and who supports rebuild begins, So that conversation
is the furthest thing from overlute.

Speaker 10 (33:00):
My heart goes out to the community at lost their
school Patty, of course, having to make those arrangements and
kids starting new schools today. But as teachers and schools
are known to do well, I'm sure somewhere will make
them feel totally comfortable and safe and welcome into their
building until arrangements can be made.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, no question. That's sixty students impacted by academy burning
down out in Western Bay so back to school is
tricky enough, but now when you're going to a new
school with new faces and a different community, makes it
even that much more tricky. So I wish all those
kids is nothing but the best.

Speaker 10 (33:32):
Absolutely, and Patty, it's a bittersweet morning here for me.
This is the first time in thirty two years that
I haven't been back to school, I guess, and all
summer long people have said, you know, what's it feel like?

Speaker 11 (33:45):
Now?

Speaker 10 (33:45):
You know, I wouldn't really know until the first day,
So this is really the first day when I should
be in school, or I feel like I should be,
but I'm not there, supporting my colleagues and getting ready
for a day now. I'm certainly happy about that, but
I'm really worried, Patty, about some of the issues that
are facing your educators in the schools this morning. And
there's a couple of things that I can guarantee are

(34:07):
taking place right now. There's staff meetings taking place to
plan for the kids coming tomorrow, and I can guarantee
you one or two top items on that agenda is
a support for the special needs kids that are in
our school, and hence the reason for my call this morning, Patty,
I'm really concerned about the lack of support that I
know teachers and student assistants and school community is going

(34:30):
to face heading into schools tomorrow when we receive those
kids back. And of course I can only speak from
personal experience in the area. I've been thirty two years
in the Bay Saint George area, Kaya twelves and right
from one end of the peninsula right out to Bay Saint
George South, so I've been in all sorts of schools,
aware of all the issues. Finished my career at a

(34:51):
KA three beautiful school here in Stephenville, and Patty, that's
where my concern is at. It's a personal connection for
you this morning because I've got an autistic grandson going
to school tomorrow and my heart is going out, like
what is going to be happening with the support for
these Patty, the support in the recent years when clode

(35:12):
back and back again in terms of student assistant support.
When I left the building in June, and I can
only again speak to that experience. When I left the
building in June, we had sixteen student as systems supporting
our children. Then I'll tell you, Patty, sixteen wasn't enough
to offer the support that we had to offer. I'm

(35:32):
not sure what's happened last five or six year. Maybe
some COVID, but it seems to be a big I'll
take disabilities and kids needing supports and a lot of
support at that, not just a little bit of reading support,
but there's been a lot of support needed. So when
I left the building in September, we were losing sixteen
student as systemsy I'll go for summer, and we had

(35:53):
only got support to have eight back now Patty, eight
students systems coming back to replace sixteen that we had there.
There's probably at least nine or ten on that list
of students that I'm aware of that probably needed one
on one support starting tomorrow. That's not going to be
getting it with eight students. And that's not including the
other twenty something students perhaps that would need all that
extra support and Patty, you know, over the last few years,

(36:16):
they've come to rely heavily, I guess on the Jordan's
Jordan's principal support. We were lucky enough last year to
have half of our student systems come from that pot,
but that's changed a little bit over the summer, and
I'm not sure of exactly the details, but that support
was not in place, and you did allude a little
bit earlier when you spoke. You did say talking special

(36:39):
services being there at the beginning of the year. Now
important that was, And Patty's the same struggle every year,
first couple of months. We're always begging and pleading and
borrowing from everywhere else to do what we can to
support these children. And it's a big concern of mine
that children are going to go there tomorrow. And you
can call the schools. Every school will tell you this,

(36:59):
we're going to support that you and they will do
their best. I guarantee you to support the children that
are there. Will it be done adequately? Patty, I'd like
to argue that it's not going to be done adequately.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Of course not. And Jordan's principal only is associated with
the First Nations children as well, so that's not absolutely
not everyone in the schools. This is what we refer
to as class composition, by and large, and let's just
paint a little clearer picture here, or just paint another picture.
So while but I think some people might lose sight
of is that, say, for instance, your grandson on the

(37:30):
autism spectrum needs a certain level of additional support, and
that would go for you know, whether it be behavioral
issues on the spectrum, ADHD, whatever the case may be.
But if the teacher in that classroom does not have
the additional support for individual students, then that teacher bears
the responsibility. So consequently trying to teach one individual support
one individual, and consequently other students in that classroom might

(37:54):
not be getting the support they require. So it's across
the board. It has a ripple effect. It's not just
about one student impacts every single student in that class.
If the supports aren't there.

Speaker 10 (38:04):
Absolutely, Patty, it's impossible to do. You know, we can
talk about class sizes and caps class sizes, but when
you look at the composition of these classes, you know,
a class of twenty kindergartens just for example, you know,
no special needs in their special supports is challenging enough
as it is there, you know, their first year is
coming into the school, and but you had autistic children

(38:26):
in there, you had you know, ADHD, you had learning
disabilities in there, and there's there's been a vast array
of all these disabilities that have popped up over the
COVID years with kids not getting probably the social and
emotional support they need had home and in the community,
and then connected with others. You know, it's it's impossible

(38:47):
to do, Patty. And but you know, the safety for
these children. My grandson for example, I mean, he needs
pretty much more on one support. He's he's a runner.
He would need somebody to make sure that he's safe
at all times. So if you were assigned to say
three children, and one of them could be a runner,
what happens when that one runner takes off through your

(39:08):
school somewhere? What happens to the other two children? You know,
on breaks, because there's not always teachers in the room, Patty,
like we're you know, we're talking about breaks and stuff
like that for our student assistants, and God loved the
crowd that we have. We had an amazing group of
student assistants and they do a fantastic job for Patty.
They can only do so much with what they have.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Absolutely, and there's already a significant amount of work and
workload on the province's teachers shoulders as we speak, let
alone all the additional duties we just expect them to
take on, whether or not to even have the training
and or experience or the time in the day to
actually do what they want to do and do it effectively,
because the teacher starts are in the right place by
and large, I would suggest, and it's all of a

(39:49):
sudden become an underappreciated profession, which I truly do not understand.
While I'll give you the final thoughts before I have
to say.

Speaker 12 (39:55):
Goodbye, Yeah, Patty, thank you.

Speaker 10 (39:58):
Like you know you mentioned you were going have the
ladies or the two people who are doing the education
the cordon. Maybe you know you could promote that with
them or just ask questions about that as well. I
just want people to realize, you know, we've got municipal
elections coming up, we've got provincial elections, like what a
good time to question your candidates. But you know what's
going to be happening, you know, Premier Hope and what's

(40:21):
going to be happening besides what you've done, Tony Wakem.
You know, we're lucky enough to have Tony Wakem right
in our area here who possibly could be the next premier. Well,
you know he's done a lot for us in this area.
But maybe people need to start asking, you know, Tony,
what are you going to do specifically to help the
sist because Patty did mention that, you know, the health
coordin everything aside. Now education should be a top priority,

(40:43):
and there's a quote that education makes all other professions possible.
And it's about time you know that we have to
start focusing on support for these children and especially our
most vulnerable which is the special needs children. Patty, And
right now, I don't feel like it's being done. I
don't feel like it's being given the fair shake that
it's being given. So you know, question your leaders, your politicians.

(41:07):
I'm sure Jim Benn, the former educator administrator an LTA president,
would certainly shed light on it and certainly agree with
anything that I'm saying here this morning. But Patty, I
just want to put a plug in for people that
you know, if you're in if you have a special
needs child in school tomorrow, be very evolved in what's
going on and the level of support that they're getting.

(41:28):
And if they're not getting that support, the schools will
tell you they're getting support, Paddy, because we have no
choice but to give them the support if they're there.
We can't say stay home, although some schools have done
that because they just can't support them. We can't have
these kids staying home. So I encourage all those parents
to you know, watch support is being given to your
child tomorrow. If it's not enough, you know what we have,

(41:49):
teachers have done all we can. You need to step up,
and you need to start, I guess promoting your own
agendas and getting your kids to support they need. Because
it's the schools just can't function any work.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I know it to be true. I try to talk
about education frequently on this program because I think you're
ready makes every other profession an option. And also when
you know, we asked the voters, what's your primary concern
is the jobs in the economy and taxes and healthcare
and criminal justice and the look if education was at
the top of that list, we do better with the
economy and taxes and healthcare and criminal justice and everything else.

(42:26):
Great to have you on the show and enjoy the retirement,
Stay in touch.

Speaker 13 (42:29):
Perfect, Thanks Patty, Welcome.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Bye bye, all right, appreciate the patience of those of
you and the queue. We'll get you right after this.
We're going to talk about rent increases. Melissa Wells, managing
director at Voadenova. Let's see if we can't get Melissa
to weights for after the news, so we actually have
a bit more time for her. But let's take that break.
Don't go away, Welcome back to the show. Let's go
to LNE number two. Good morning, Rudy 're on the air.

Speaker 12 (42:49):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
How are you great today? Thank you? How about you
good great?

Speaker 12 (42:53):
Thank you very much for taking my call. No problem
this Patty Edi Mayor's house. We've been normally been up rating.
That's the food bank up there by the Basilica. We've
been operating from one to three, and for a number
of reasons, we've changed our hours of operation now from
twelve to two. So I'm sure there's your listeners. Anybody

(43:15):
who avail us as a food bank will be be
interested to know that our hours have changed. And Patty,
the reason for that is that even in that small
area there that includes the food bank and the Saban
school and the rink and a number of other a
number of other buildings, the congestion at the three o'clock

(43:37):
hour just became almost unmanageable. So by opening from twelve
to two, we're hoping to redoce that the congestion and
then make things slow a little more smoothly for all concerned.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Makes a lot of sense. So, and this is not
a question based on asking you to be judgmental of
what's going on in the community, but what do you
see with your own eyes? Because know, if anyone's been
in and around the basilica and the gathering place, and
you know, even center city kind of stuff, the face
of the community is changing. It really truly is what
you see.

Speaker 12 (44:11):
You couldn't have been You couldn't have stated more succainetly.
Our numbers alone are increasing almost exponentially. When we have
fifty two families come on a given day, that that
does not paint that that paints a bleak picture. And
resources on everybody's behalf are limited financially, I mean we're

(44:35):
all being pushed our resources, I mean text almost to
the limit by the numbers, and not only the numbers, Patty,
but the complexities of the of the people, of the
situations that are presented at our doors.

Speaker 13 (44:47):
People.

Speaker 12 (44:48):
You know, there was a lady on there earlier speaking
about us you or rather who are speaking about the
prices Two people in the family working, Patty in and
they still can't still can't make ends meet. And these
are people whose situations are more than legitimate. So the
situation is becoming bleak.

Speaker 6 (45:08):
For one of the better word.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, and we hear the similar reports across the food
bank landscape, you know, seeing more food insecure families, more seniors,
more children. So when people break it down to you know,
those individual demographics, it's obviously an extremely bleak issue. And
but you know, some people kind of confuse who's a
potential patron of a food bank. You talk about the
ne'er do wells, or the unemployed, or there's working people

(45:34):
that cannot make ends meet that have some form of
alliance on a food bank. I mean, let me say
that one again. People working full time, full time jobs
Monday to Friday, eight to five that still have to
go to a food bank sometimes during a week or
sometimes during a month because they simply cannot afford to
feed themselves with the family.

Speaker 12 (45:51):
Absolutely petty. And our underlying principle is that we treat
all of our people with dignity. And when people to
the door, and you know that their pride is being
assaulted by the very fact that they have to rely
on a food bank. And that's why our underlying principle
is to treat people with the utmost dignity because it

(46:15):
is a humbling experience, absolutely it is.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
And just a message from me to the listener. If
you find yourself all of a sudden in a life
circumstance that means that you may indeed have to go
to a food bank. There are so many contributing factors.
There's no need to be embarrassed about it. Many people
fall on hard times even though they might put their
best foot forward every single day, worked hard to their
entire lives. But just now with the cost of living

(46:41):
issues and the stubborn price of groceries, people just need
some support. And so good folks like yourself in a
Maya's House and other food banks, bravo, keep up the
good work and I appreciate the time this morning. Just
a reminder folks of the hours have changed to twelve
to two from one to three at a Maya's House.

Speaker 12 (46:55):
And thank you so much, Patty on our behalf and
on behalf of the flying to availab our services. It's
it's just great.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Thank you very much, appreciate your time. Thank you, have
a good one to Rudy bye bye, all right. I
think Melissa Wells from Vidonova Recovery is going to be
able to join us after the news. At some point
John wants to talk about rent, so does Clayton. Then
we're going to speak with an independent candidate running where
we'll find out. Don't go away, welcome back to the program.
Let's go to line number one. John, you're on the air.

Speaker 14 (47:25):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
How are you doing? Okay? How about you?

Speaker 14 (47:28):
That's right, sir, that's what I just called to our
beginning data request or any rimandover won't ging in to
the rink increased teams. You all know every here and
I'll be anybody else in sinking baysign into and like
you said, now I'm going on as a next your
favorite the first of two six s send up in

(47:49):
here Elgazita. That's going only send the five dollarsies time,
so it is apparently not leaving into one wants you
the name, but did you see the time or recently
they take out four people basically you mean I am
an ow income person for affoid to situate myself and sorry,
and yeah, I'm lined basically and satisfied to new render

(48:15):
the housing and so the services was a man a
man and both of those people are maxed out of
the money for to help me out.

Speaker 10 (48:23):
So I didn't know if.

Speaker 14 (48:24):
Anyone else out there's no teachpas I'm going through, or
I can probably speak to something that I might behalve
to help me out, because I mean right now, I
mean I don't have a place. They built bolicship, but
I've been homeless that believe people that basically are an
order apartment man mods but there's only there's a name
for them. I met a thousand thousand people. I mean,
I want to get too something every two weeks, but

(48:46):
yet so the service expects to me to pig in
the day and take that serventy five dollars or two
eighty six alfusore. They run food and pay whatever else over.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
The times are tight, no doubt about it. So you
are living in newcland Laborador housing one of their units.

Speaker 14 (49:04):
Know, so I'm in apartment building subsides to move rent
of the housing and they're saying they mean that the
next set of the money that they have to pay
for me to keep me warm too and sold social services.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
And so what does that mean? Does that mean you're
getting a victims?

Speaker 14 (49:20):
Well, that's the problem, mean that I don't know what
I mean. That's that's that's what I'm trying to get
one that we're calling you and who wants to work
all besides my imh, they got I mean the fine
chenter to get the bigteds. I meant right now it
gets I know, answer for nobody to say the word
stand or who's gonna look at this spending money?

Speaker 13 (49:38):
So I you still want to I mean, I.

Speaker 14 (49:40):
Mean obviously, I mean I can't afford this what I want.
I'm getting a gat I buy the bignesstendance, but I
think I can't get the satisfaction that money housing officer.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
Or my mh.

Speaker 14 (49:52):
Yeah, basically, So I'm just trying to figure out Patty,
you know we knew or.

Speaker 12 (49:56):
They want to know.

Speaker 14 (49:57):
I watched the CDC doings there and I was just
twenty seven. There A man called in there and he
went through the media and he had the same complaints
I had. So I guess I'm trying to call it
again and make sure there's hope he's just listen me
to or anybody else is going seituas I'm going through
somebody again. I don't know if I had a place
so my head by am freebuty person next year, and
I went right now it's nine seventy will not be

(50:20):
included and will tend that of it every one thousand
and forty five for one better person and it's not
to be included. Everything money money, money here Washington right
downstairs's money had to.

Speaker 11 (50:31):
Pay and whatever.

Speaker 14 (50:34):
So I mean and and I have banding guardy depression
and then that's something health problem. And then had to
vote this up here heady. I had to wear with
this every year.

Speaker 13 (50:43):
I should have to.

Speaker 14 (50:44):
I shouldn't have to vote with this. I mean they have.
I had to worry about what I'm going to get
to from the early early year. I mean, when I'm
molding their first I was called it. It was based
on my thirty percent cent of wages. But the seems
to give me a sentence company here that's owned nothing
to own by Ontario people. Do you seem to do
what they want to do with the rent And basically
they're pushing out the own including the news, figuring it

(51:06):
all that they get more money for us, but ding that.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Word yeah, which I guess is part of what I
was speaking about earlier. Is the concept of rent controls,
is the concept of trying to deal with no fault evictions,
the concept of you know, the percentage of people's money
is coming in the door, whether it be through earnings
or government supports, the percentage that people are paying for housing.
You know, the national benchmark is thirty percent. Anything in

(51:30):
excess of that is people living in insecured surroundings. And
who knows what's next. It could be eviction, it could
be simply kind of for the rent increase and then
what so we'll try to cover all of those issues
because they are becoming more and more prevalent every single
year by the look of it.

Speaker 14 (51:47):
Yes, it is certainly really is, you know, like you said,
you know, and the young one and what people are
turning to it and addictions and or whatever. I mean,
I have no problem that weigh on with itself. But
I mean, in the worlds what this kind of stress?
It never began someone's mind, you know, they know because
to the drive about the gains a place down the sea.
People out of the door, and that's how you want.
I mean, they're ound there and there get no place

(52:08):
to live, and soon I guess they be can city
get all over before you knows? In this situation, yeah,
but see, sir, you know, you know, like I don't
want to maybe you haven't have this at my moment now,
I mean I can leave the street, be on the
go to the anxiety depressure of my mind, I mean
my body long one than thinking about this. So again,
you know, I just want to know it. I mean,

(52:29):
you know, if you's if your government doctor to help
people out in my situation, I mean I guess it's not.
I mean once the point of it all, I mean,
you know again the right now to work turned to
my MJA to go to the CDC, the media immediately,
get the cards in the news, explain it more besides
of opening line or what I mean, most people, I mean,
I have no support to talk about, no nothing, no sources,

(52:50):
no source work or nothing. So it's basically I'm working
through this something own kind of You have upset at
the corn and Bond had to win with this stuff,
you should have to do it.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Have you tried to get a social workers signed to
your case?

Speaker 14 (53:04):
Well that's a problem, you know. Out of the who,
I don't know who to turn to. I mean I'm
looking on basically someone I think Miami game. It's just
like you said, even though she's probably trying to help
me out. But you have done yet had jim leaving
the dollars, that's what you're saying. So I wasn't like that.
I don't know how they got souris workers done and that,
but yeah, that's I'm think the dominantly got in my situation, Maddy.

(53:26):
I need someone physically and mentally mostly to talk to
be started, just a personal the phone. I needed so
much person, someone in one on one so they know
what that what I'm going through and they just speak
about behalf and help me through this because I should
have to deal with you say, I mean on my own.
I mean I'm a low income to do it again,
a lone gone person, don't have multiplication and try to

(53:46):
fully for this and every time me she's just must
just notice in my door. I get the term the
stomach and it does it every year after we get it,
and then those tenant dollars to use it.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Okay, let me give you a number so you can
speak with someone. If you're on a come support and
try to get what they call a client services officer
social worker. I can give you a number. You called
them and see if you can't get connected with somebody.

Speaker 14 (54:08):
Okay, so thank you?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Do you have a pen and pepper? You're okay? So
it's one eight seven seven women eight seven seven seven
nine seven to seventy eight eighty eight seventy.

Speaker 14 (54:25):
Now they just said Patty, and I was told, So
I don't know if you're seeing it that, you know,
I mean down on the asine, the ones I'm dealing with,
they're just financial officers, you know. If you're doing the
for home, you know, already change stuff together. Guys, I
think you already give you whatever. You know, he gets
that my time is the way? Is there really social
work work? They're already have me out, I mean you know,
I mean that's had to go with this and also

(54:46):
get it ready. I don't know, I have to pay
for the addiction, you know.

Speaker 12 (54:49):
And now if the game.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Call that number, see if you can't get one of
those client services officers, which minunder signing is they're all
trained social workers and so maybe there's some early there, John,
So do that and let me know how you make out.

Speaker 14 (55:03):
You're welcome, good luck, hey John, bye?

Speaker 6 (55:07):
Bye?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Oh boy. All right, let's say we get to the
break down time. Let me come back to Melissa Wells,
managing director at VIDON over the conversation there is they've
opened up a new facility. Now I'm not so sure
how far down the road they are to having fifty
four beds open, what kind of the staffing looks like,
but the Minister of Health Community Services has said that
they are committed to having buildings buildings at MCP for

(55:30):
those who enter into this recovery facility. So they have
a little bit of a different model than when we
currently experience insofar as you know d talks and the
timelines from out of detoks into rehab and then some
of the use extended models for stay so that you
can really get clean and sober. Lets wells right after
this and then you don't go away. Welcome back to
the show. Let's called Lee number two sagamore to the

(55:51):
managing director at VIDEN over a recovery. That's Melissa Wells.
Melissa around the air.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
Hi, Patty, thanks so much for me.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Happy to have you on the p So where are
we in the conversation regarding building MCP before we get
into some of the other issues.

Speaker 7 (56:06):
Yeah, absolutely so, as color earlier alluded to, as you know,
about a month and a half ago, we had received
a letter from the minister regarding MCP coverage and unfortunately
there was a misinterpretation and we certainly have not been
able to secure MCP coverage for our clients.

Speaker 9 (56:28):
As what's going on and what's going to have to
we're already so we have been the governmental We're.

Speaker 7 (56:38):
Bussing plans and pilots as to have for one of
the most wonderfule puptionis at support, but unfortunately right now
there has been no bullet plant or.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Prom Melissa, we're having a terrible connection here unfortunately. Can
you maybe shuffle around with litle bit see if we
can't clear it up? Yeah, Dave, let's say if forget
list of back, but maybe do they have a landline
out there which would be preferable. So let's see what
we can organize that. Let's go to line number four

(57:13):
Clayton around the air. Yes, so are you okay?

Speaker 4 (57:17):
You?

Speaker 11 (57:18):
Oh, not too bad? I'll call him a my rent
one out sixty five dollars a month. Had my career
verse twenty where I guess me the worker cause nine fast,
they's able to get a lot of one up sixty
five dollars written me here eighty five dollars a month.

(57:40):
That's a thousand dollars twenty year. I don't get that
much of a rage. I don't know who was doing
the pant work and doing, but something is wrong here. Somewhere.
Three years ago I was I written, started to go up,
so I made a two dollars and then I got
a call back from the trouble shooter Western out and

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she told me, because that's when we're with Western. Now
now my rent, my year wouldn't go out and was
covered under myself. See when new viland Labrador house for
three years, I never went up, and all of a
sudden I went up sixty five dollars. Why did they
go up sixty five dollars a month when they should
have owned and went up twenty? Everybody else goes up twenty.

(58:29):
They told me they don't done me los me every
three years. That's why when I first came here, I
was every year I was getting the rent was going up.
Now mine's everybody else's. I taxed towards that.

Speaker 6 (58:45):
Every year.

Speaker 11 (58:47):
I don't know. I guess they wont after the three
years my written everyone up. You want after the money, I.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Guess so so Clayton. Are you saying that your rent
is adjusted differently than every other tenant in that building
or in that.

Speaker 11 (59:00):
I've sort of seem though what they're telling that, they're
telling me every three years. Nar tell me that was
always every year. And I've called mister vel Travers the
previous divers. Now they won't take me cause I guess
that they is they don't like the troop coming to
them about what's going on and people and older. If
you've talked to a lot of people out there in Cornerbrook,

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especially some of the nursers, I'm not saying you, they're
saying now bad to treat seniors are being treated there.
There's awful and.

Speaker 15 (59:34):
It is awful.

Speaker 6 (59:35):
And I talked to.

Speaker 11 (59:37):
Karl Anderson's out this morning. Lady there, she's getting calls
all the time, twenty attorney calls away from seniors.

Speaker 6 (59:45):
I've had it this.

Speaker 11 (59:46):
So what's that doublement doing there? They're not doing that
taking your money as that saidwell, government gives us a raise,
they're grabbing it, so you got to put it into it.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
But if you're living in units that's owned and o
I waited by Western Health, what's Karl Anstey's world here
because of course she'd be a federal member.

Speaker 11 (01:00:07):
Yeah, she's a federal member. Yeah, she's in the federal government,
and we're seniors. We get to federal pension. The lady
told me in Carol Anesty's house is that she's looking
into that. She's goes back to Adamant. That's what she's

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going by, fleeting bird seniors. And that's what we need
right now because our government, Saint Johnson's not doing maney thirds.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Yeah, And of course it'd be kind of two different
things there, rent control at Western Health versus different lines
of revenue or income for seniors. I guess there's a
over lap, but there are two different responsibilities. But I
know where you're coming from, Clayton. I'm pretty sure anything
else you want to say, well, we have you.

Speaker 11 (01:00:58):
Yeah, I can't get a mansion minister of out. As
the primers happened to the call they won't answer, then
they really they kind of put the brain that you
can just say.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
You came to the worst.

Speaker 11 (01:01:11):
They're not answering the phone you're going to call. If
they answered home, you wouldn't be home too much. I
wouldn't they call it arrest it wouldn't be arrested to
answer the phone there. They're just as much brains renting.
It's not answered. They're there for to answer the phone.
Went in there, they took a home, they took hold
work for the people. They're working for us. They should

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be doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Yeah, I mean I might not be able to answer
every single call live, but every single message should, at
the best of their ability, be returned. I mean, people
are asking legitimate questions. I'm sure there's plenty of inquiries
at the different government levels that are sometimes might be
outrageous or outlandish, but this is a legitimate one. And
we're talking about rent increase in your Your income didn't increase,

(01:01:57):
but your rent's going up. And it's a pretty common story.
And on that front, there's actually a landlord in the queue.
Denise is there to talk about. She'll give her uh
description as to why rent is going up in some areas,
and I'm pretty sure I know what she's going to say,
but we'll hear from a landlord in addition to your call.
I appreciate your time, Clayton. Wish you could luck h
just second quick hello.

Speaker 11 (01:02:19):
Yeah, no, I we did get a little bit of
a race. But now I never got a eighty five
dollars a month RaSE.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
No, there was an increase to CVP.

Speaker 15 (01:02:28):
That's right.

Speaker 11 (01:02:30):
So I actually when I got raised, I'm saying, whenever
we got eighty five dollars a month raise, So somebody
got a look at it in the govement. I check
into it and find out why am I root? We're
not sixty five dollars? And then the caregivers funny, caregivers
goes from every year rint of every year, and the
right we get to know good till the grocery goes up.

(01:02:51):
Just well from that give us raise. It's not outward.
So anyway, I'm opening that somebody in the govement, well
order this a chickendle.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I hope they do. And I appreciate your time. I'm
sure someone is listening to this for this program right now.

Speaker 11 (01:03:09):
Yeah, okay, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
You're welcome, Clayton. Take good care of yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
Yeah, okay, coye bue.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
All right, see if we have a better connection with
the managing director at Vodanova Online number two, Melissa Wells,
you're back on.

Speaker 7 (01:03:20):
The air, Hi, Patty, can you hear me now?

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I can hear you now, so you're describing as there
was maybe some miscommunication about the minister saying MCP buildings,
what happened for people who are in Bidenova recovery, So
you say that's not happening. Were you told it's because
if we're having something like this would need to go
to a tender or what was the rationale?

Speaker 7 (01:03:41):
So basically what we were told the conversations that we
have been having ongoing conversations have been about providing bad
coverage for future clients of Vitanova to be able to
support the population that needed the most, and we received
the letter from the minister stating that Vidanov will be
fully supported by MCP for medically necessary treatment. So what

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we were told after a couple of weeks was that
the MCP coverage is actually just for the physician services
and not bed coverage, which was news to us because
the conversation has always been about having bed coverage. Our
physician is a physician, so he already had MCP coverage

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his services. He could see anybody in the province and
have his services covered, so that wasn't the ask. So
the letter came out and of course many people seen it.
We saw it and we were thrilled working to be
able to work with the government to help this population
of people, and we have been told that that's not
what the letter meant. Now, we have been speaking with

(01:04:48):
the government officials in the government Department of Health and
a LHS, and you know, there have been some positive
conversations about pilot projects and trying to work with us,
but none of that has come to fruition yet. And unfortunately,
the people on our list, you know who who really
felt that they were being heard and they were finally

(01:05:09):
going to have a resource, you know, with a physician
and a very skilled, skilled staff set. They were on
a list and they were going to be able to
come to us, and they just feel defeated. I've had
to connect with everybody on our list to let them
know that what we thought was in place is certainly
not in place. And even though they are working, according
to the people that we've been speaking to, they are

(01:05:31):
working to propose a pilot with us. We are opening
on September the eighth, and that will not be in
place for September the eighth, So we will have sixteen
single beds and two detox beds available as of September
the eighth to help the people of Newfounland, Labrador. And
we you know, while we've been able to secure and

(01:05:51):
support a small number of people through other agencies, that
sort of thing. There's you know, we will have empty
beds and we are ready to help.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
That's a good thing. So a few things. So we
know doctor Anthony Pool, I believe it is still the
medical director at Fidonova. Is that right?

Speaker 9 (01:06:09):
That's correct?

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Okay, So what does the staffing look like here? Will
there be people on staff twenty four seven or what
exactly it's going to happen if I walk in the door.

Speaker 7 (01:06:18):
So if you walked in the door today, you would
see we are actually orientating and training with our staff today.
So we have a staff complement of registered nurses, licensed
practical nurses, social workers, masters, trained addictions counselors, peer support workers.
We have housekeeping, dietary staff, at mins staff. We have

(01:06:39):
the whole gamut of staff. We will be a twenty
four hour facility with registered nurses, life and factual nurses
and peer support workers on twenty four hours and then
the day to day staffing is supplemented with the counselors
and the social workers. So we have a full gamut
of very skilled, educated clinical to support the residents of

(01:07:01):
the Newfoundland Laborator. We're all up here today and we're
very excited that we're going to be able to open
our doors next week.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
And I know, while we work towards MCP, Villain because
that's a really strange when we talk about the fact
that doctor Peril can already build MCP, so that as
you say, that wasn't the ass because that is already
a thing. So what we talk about what it costs.
So is there a moving target based on how long
someone may may indeed need this type of support services
or how does the cost issue work.

Speaker 7 (01:07:32):
So we have a base template creative for treatment of
a six week program. We are you know, working with
different clinicians and different people with lived experience and doing
our research. We are aiming to start with a six
week based program to help support people through recovery. It
can start with detoxification. Medical detoxification is needed, but not

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everybody's going to require that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
But we are one of our.

Speaker 7 (01:07:58):
Key factors for our prom is to truly individualize care
prends as much as possible, because it's not one size
fits all there's going to be different supports that different
people need, so we are keen to tailor programs as needed.
We're offering extended programming for people who require extensions on
their six week program.

Speaker 9 (01:08:19):
We also then will be able.

Speaker 7 (01:08:21):
To utilize our transitional housing and sober living for people
so that we can support them in creating a supportive
environment upon discharge. That's one of the gaps. And I
know we were earlier when Wanta called in, we were
talking about the discharge and the gaps there of sending
people back to a non supportive environment which really is
not conducive to long term sobriety. So that's one of

(01:08:43):
the gaps we've identified, and we have social workers on
our team that will support people through their discharge planning
to make sure that we extend where we need to
and support the people.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Okay, So that pretty much sounds like we need to
have a tailor support program which would come with a
different price for different people. But for the base six
that's not the right word for the six week support
model that you started with. What's the cost? Just so
people have an idea of what we're talking about here.

Speaker 7 (01:09:09):
Well, so the cost, again, it's hard to kind of
say it out loud as a one, uh you know,
one figure, because it is very much tailored to people's needs,
and we're we're working with individuals to discuss options and
how we can we can support people with the cost

(01:09:29):
to to work through to work through the program. So
I'm not really keen to announce a number, but I
have you know, I am working with people individually to
so that we can support them wherever wherever they need
support and work out payment to to avail of our programming,
very individualized.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Fair enough, anything else you elect top for here this morning, Melissa,
I just want.

Speaker 7 (01:09:54):
People to know that you know, we have a beautiful
facility ready to go. We have educated staff, we have
a program developed and in place. We have the conversations
going with the Department of Health, with the government officials.
I am encouraged that we will work this out and
there will be support and coverage for our clients. It

(01:10:17):
doesn't appear that it's going to be in place for opening,
which is the disheartening part. And when I had to
reach out to the people on my list to explain
that to them, you can imagine the immense disappointment and
how discouraged they may have felt because of the letter
that went out and they truly felt that this was
in place and they were finally having their voices heard.

(01:10:39):
So I am encouraged that we will be able to
move forward and work with the government. But for September
the eighth, that has not yet come to fruition. So
if people need to reach out to me, they most
certainly can and we can discuss options. We are opening
and we are ready to support the people of Newfinland
and Labrador.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Appreciate the time on Liss said, thank you, thank you so.

Speaker 7 (01:11:02):
Much, and Patty, I just wanted to say we are
having our grand opening on Friday, September the fifth with
a ribbon cutting, and you are more than welcome to
come join us on site for that grand opening. We'd
love to have you there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Appreciate it. Thank you very much, Thank you so much.
You're welcome. Bye bye. Melissa Wells, managing director at biden
Over Recovery. Let's take a break, don't go away, welcome
back to the show. Let's go to land number three.
Sing good morning to an independent candidate running out in Harbormain.
That's Clem Widdle this morning. Clem, you're on the air.

(01:11:35):
Thank you, clem, you're on the air. Hello, Patty, I
can hear you. Now go ahead, sir, okay you I'm doing.

Speaker 6 (01:11:47):
Pretty good this morning, thank you. Yes, Eddy, I am
in the Harbor Remain district. Then an independent called it
independent candidate. And to make that the distinction here because
it is important to me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
What is that distinction, Cleim? What do you mean?

Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
Well, the distinction, it's not much difference in the two words.
But the distinction is, you know, of course we all
have independence, we can all act independent and so on.
But I believe, like many others do, that we are
also very interdependent in each other. We're de dependent on

(01:12:29):
each other to at least not do any harm to
each other and hopefully even when possible, to help each other.
And so we are, whether we may realize it or not,
we are interdependent ab each other, you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Know, sure, I mean, we do rely on each other
for a variety of things, obviously, But I guess the
distinction would home with a very little difference when we're
talking about independent candidates. So are you trying to make
the distinction in so far as working directly with any
other member of the House of Assembly, any other party

(01:13:05):
of course you wouldn't be a party being an independent candidate.
So I'm just curious as to how that works in
the mind of the voter.

Speaker 6 (01:13:12):
Well, they well, I'm basically wrong with is a message
and I spoke to you about this before and spoke
to orders, you know, and the message is is that, uh,
the the current form of government that we ought for
eight under says, you know, was a parliamentary form of government.
And if if many people, if I were to ask you,

(01:13:35):
you can probably you know, if you were to point
at something that's you know, causing possibly causing some of
the most divisions or the most divisive thing that's you know,
in our province, in our community or whatever, and some people,
you know would say, well, the government that is supposed
to be working for us and with us, uh is

(01:13:57):
one of the most divisive things that we have based
on uh, you know, the particular the type of government
that we've had and that we've been running now for
over three hundred moneys around three hundred and fifty years,
you know, from Great Britain and so on, and that
that form of government you know that we have is

(01:14:19):
basically I've done a bit of research into it. When
I wanted to get involved in serving the community. And
the form of government is called an adversarial form of government.
That's why our system is called. That means that we
are enemies. That's what an adversary is, enemies. And so

(01:14:40):
under our system, which creates the party system, the partisan
system that we have, then we have you know, a party,
then the government, and then we have you know, a
legal opposition, and their job is basically is to oppose uh,
you know, the government, uh and so on. And the message,

(01:15:04):
the very simple message that I'm putting forth, Patty, you know,
at this time way I'm sixty seven years old. You know,
I don't need you know, to do this or you know,
for any other reason. Then it's something that I almost
feel compelled to do, and I've felt it for a
long time and so on. And that is the simple message, Patty,

(01:15:25):
is this there is a better way, right And you know,
one of the definitions one of the one of the
definitions of insanity is it says when you're doing the
same thing over and over and expecting different results, and
so as as simple as a message to those sort
of thing, I know that there are many many members

(01:15:47):
who are listening, who listen to your radio station. You
know how being rouses almost And doesn't it make you
very simple sense to the people that instead of having
forty men birds elected and if let's say whatever, you
know it was exactly even to be twenty twenty, but
you know, perhaps those normals instead of twenty members supposedly

(01:16:10):
you know, working you know, for the GOP, and then
you have the other twenty opposing, Like, doesn't it make
more sense to have a government where all forty people
are elected and instead of opposing each other, all those
people are working together, really working together, really serving the people.
So here's another thing that comes to mind is that

(01:16:32):
you know, I got to put out there that you know,
you cannot serve you cannot serve the party and the
people all the time because the way the system is
set up that if you if you, if you don't
serve the party and speak against the party and certain things,

(01:16:53):
you know, even with something that he's trying to believe in,
you're basically put out of believe if you're a member
of Caracass whatever. And so just as an example, showy, Patty,
do you don't have any according to what they looked up,
do you don't know how many people didn't vote in
the last election eligible voters.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
I have a base understanding of the percentage of the
voter turnouts. Yeah, there was.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
Forty eight point six percent who did not eligible voters.
That says here who didn't vote in the last provincial election,
which was down or higher higher than the election before it.
And so if you were to look at and take
the majority vote, if you look at the majority of

(01:17:36):
the vote, the party got elected. But if you look
at the majority vote, the majority is the people who
didn't vote. And my people, I guess they're not recognizing
is that I believe these people are saying something, and
I know they are because I've talked to a lot
of people, and these people do not know who are

(01:17:57):
what to vote for. They don't see, you know, any
difference always, you know, not excuse me, I don't like
to use extreme words, but what we see about of
the time is people who are simply opposing each other
because that's your supposed job, you know, if you're involved.
And the difference in politics and governing is a big difference. So,

(01:18:23):
like I said, in other words, the people who are
in a sense, in a sense almost speaking the loudest
are the people who are not voting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Yeah, and there's a variety of reasons why people don't vote,
And I'll just throw this out some one more time.
Apathy is politician's very best friend. It absolutely is, because
you make an interesting point. If the majority of people
who are eligible to vote did not vote, then that's
taking a very apathetic approach. And I know, you know,
when we talk about accountability and stuff, there has to

(01:18:54):
be more to it than an opportunity to vote every
four years or thereabout. And people tune out for a
bunch of different reasons. But boy or boy, when politicians
only have to get to fifty percent of the population
to try to curry favor with them together vote, that
makes their job easier. Hapathy is their best friend. I
don't know why people don't understand and acknowledge that claim

(01:19:16):
anything else before I have to take a break.

Speaker 6 (01:19:17):
Here, No, I just want to thank you if you're time, pattim.
I just you know anybody out here who resonates with
the message job of changing our form of government from
the system current system that we have through a more
consensus form of government where we don't have this partisan politics.
If anybody you know wants to, you know, get in

(01:19:38):
touch with me, to get in contact me, you know,
certainly send me a message on a messenger or whatever.
And I just I just encourage anybody else who believes,
who truly, honestly not only believes, but knows and sees
there's a better way to do things, you know, I'd
certainly encourage them to come forward and do the same.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Appreciate your time. I wish you good luck. Thanks Clem,
thank you, Thanks Patty, You're welcome. By bye. All right,
let's get to the break. Don't go away, welcome back
to the show. Let's go to LNE number five. Gary,
you're on the air.

Speaker 16 (01:20:10):
Good morning, Patty is the wonderful I was listening to
the show this morning, and the one topic I want
to bring up because tomorrow is a very important day
for all the school kids tomorrow. Tomorrow's school opening again
in the problems of Newlands, so there's going to be
a lot of act can be going on tomorrow, and
I know you're going to bring it up, and you're
going to let people know that to be very careful

(01:20:32):
when they're driving out there, especially with the school buses.
And you know, because when the flashing lights are on.
We don't want, we don't we want. There's some new
little kids going to school for the very first time.
We don't want them to have a bad experience. We
want them all to have a wonderful experience on the
first day of school. So I'm gonna I'm going to

(01:20:52):
let you talk about this tomorrow, and I'm going to
listen because I know you're going to bring it up
to tomorrow's school.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Everything changes when the kids go back to school. The
families part me parents and the kids. Their schedules change.
It takes a little while to get in the groove,
so people will be hustling and bustling, and different times
of traffic will be just different when school's reopen. So look,
everyone's in such a panic to get everywhere as quickly

(01:21:20):
as possible, when in fact, even if I just can
talk about my own personal experience driving around Saint John's, Look,
you're going nowhere, and hurry, you just are. And we
see it all day every day when I go when
I leave here to go home today, one of my
favorite pastimes is to stop at the red light here
at Kelsey Drive just to see how many people run
the red light, and every single day, in every single direction,

(01:21:41):
people run the red light and what happens, you just
see them at the next red light. So when back
to school kicks in, whether you're in a school zone
or not, there will be more traffic on the road
at very specific times. And please, please, please, just be
mindful of it. And if you need to be somewhere
a little bit earlier, then leave earlier. Don't press the
loud pedal harder.

Speaker 16 (01:22:00):
Yeah, that's that's see how you give everybody every You're
giving every enough behind another the steering wills, so some
information because you know us adults sometimes we've ad als
learned they learn lessons the hard way, and we don't
want them to learn the hard way. Just you know,
slow down and and and and be very mindful of

(01:22:22):
what you're doing. Maybe, like you said, if you've got
to get up a little earlier, then get the kids
ready for school, Well, then take your time and teach
them these lessons right away that they got to take
their time. And for all the kids tomorrow, I hope
the whole year is wonderful for you because you're you're
what is that they're the ones that us old timers

(01:22:44):
like you and me we're the old timers now, and
you know, do they bring so much joy into their license.
We don't want anything to happen and so so thiks Patty,
So let the drive with every day.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Know what about that if you can, well, I mean,
people just we need to be mindful. And you know
one thing is they As a parent, when my kids
were school age children, one of the toughest things was
back to school, not because they didn't like school, because
they did. Kind of like school is just to change
routine becomes very difficult, whether it be the time you
go to bed, the time you get up some responsibilities

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that you have on your shoulders as a child going
back to school, because they do hold some of the
responsibility themselves to be organized mentally, physically, and otherwise. So
it was that change of schedule that sometimes was extremely difficult,
especially going to bed and getting up on time. That
one's a tough one. We learned the hard way. So
eventually we just kind of change the bedtimes at the

(01:23:39):
beginning of August as opposed to the end of August,
so that we're a little bit better prepared and so
are they to actually get some sleep, to get up
and be ready to go to school and learn. Gary,
appreciate the time. Anything else before we say goodbye?

Speaker 16 (01:23:51):
Oh no, so that you carried out really good and
I'm glad. I want to touch to see which is
I know he's going to talk about. I hope he does,
because is a very important day for all those little
kids going to school and the only ones you know.
It's it's like you said, things are change it and
the world's changes so rapidly, you know, but we have to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Slow down, absolutely, and it's easier said than done. But
it's the thing. I appreciate the time, Gary, thank you,
have a good day, Love you bye, take care bye bye. Yeah.
And so just a couple of programming notes and those
of you in the QE, we appreciate your patients will
get to you asap. So last week did mention that

(01:24:32):
we were going to try to organize a three four five. However,
many persons will call it panel to discuss the uppertructural
memorandum of understanding. So we started, of course by reaching
out to Jennifer Williams and hopefully that means will possibly
get Carl Smith as well to represent the negotiation side.
Jennifer Williams not available tomorrow and not available next week,

(01:24:52):
because it's very likely when we're trying to arrange to
accommodate different people's schedules, that's going to be tricky at
the best of times. But the only time Jennifer william
is actually available, as we're told by her office, is today.
So that doesn't mean that I'm going to abandon the
potential for a panel, because Carl Smith can be joined
by Listen, Dennis Mahoney, or whoever the case may be,
so we'll still see if we can do that. There's

(01:25:14):
a variety of names that have been in opposition, very
vocal opposition to the MoU, so we'll try to include
a couple of them as well. The goal here is
simple for me. It's just to put the concerns people
have brought forward to those who are in the room
negotiating the MoU. Whether it be some issues at one
side or the other will call misinformation or disinformation. I'm

(01:25:36):
only interested in getting the information out there. You can
decide for yourself whether or not you think it's a
good deal. I don't have a horse in the race,
necessarily speaking, when it comes to this panel, of course,
I do, as a resident of the province and someone
who gets a hydro bill. So Jennifer Williams is coming
up right after the eleven o'clock news, and we'll try
to get a couple of segments with her, because there's
a lot to this, So I guess we'll start with

(01:25:58):
some of the things brought forward by the letter that
was part of the conversation last week and still remains
part of the conversation, things like unbundling what is four
big projects inside of one one MoU which will lead
to who knows ten or twelve definite of agreements, So
we'll start with that. And there's some concerns that I've
heard from, whether it be the David Vardies and the

(01:26:20):
Gabe Gregory's and the Danny Williams and the Roly Winters
and others who have been speaking about it. So we'll
try to put that those questions to her. And if
you have a question that you think is a specific
one and you'd like to bring it forward, you can
do it via direct message on Twitter or Facebook, or
you can also, of course use my email address and
it's open line at VOSM dot com. So a lot

(01:26:40):
to discuss here, and Tom's in the queue to talk
about healthcare. Mike wants to talk about the Lesioneer, but
coming up right after the break is indeed Jennifer Williams,
the CEO of New flann Labrador Hydro. Let's check it
on the twitter box. We're VIOSIM open Line. You can
follow us there. Email address is open line at VOSM
dot com. Oh, people ask me about the Americans on
the shelves. I mean, I don't know what decisions are

(01:27:03):
going to be made here, but apparently Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia, Manitoba,
this province Pei have no plans to return us alcohol
two of the shelves. They're not selling the existing stock.
So what that means for swallowing losses? About have you?
And also I get it, you know, leave it up
to the individual if they want to buy a bourbon
from the United States versus another option that is on

(01:27:25):
the shelf. Hey, if you want to bring that up,
you can talk about that right after the news as well.
Don't go away.

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Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number two,
sagamore to the President and CEO of New flanda Labrador Hydro.
That's Jennifer Williams. Good morning, Jennifer, you're on the air.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
Good morning, Patty. Thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Happy to take your call here this morning. I know,
I know you folks have heard that I'm going to
try to set up some sort of panel. This does
not substitute that, but we'll continue to work towards but
we appreciate your time. So last week you saw the
letter like I saw the letter from a bunch of
signators talking about issues inside the MoU. Number one I'd
like to get to is why was it necessary to

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bundle all four major projects into one MoU? Because we
do know that you know there's these are major projects.
I come with different levels of risk, so they start
with the need to unbundle. Why was it necessary to
have four projects in.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
One So I expect that you're inferring that the four
projects mean the four major development projects, So I'll just
confirm it that's what you're referencing there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Yeah, that's right, the expansion of the Upper Church, of
the development to go out, and then the two transmission
projects involved.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
Right, Okay, so but I guess want to open real quick,
and I will get to that. Just to say thank
you for taking my call, because I know that your
reference that there is confusion, and it was really important
for me to try to get to folks today to
address some of the misunderstanding or the mis information in
as plain language as possible. And as we know, this
is a pretty complicated topic and I want to make

(01:29:08):
sure that I'm available to your listeners to to explain
some of that. So we'll just talk now back to
those four projects that you've referenced. Transmission obviously has to
go with the construction, so you can't build a generation
project and not have transmission. So they're really one and
the same. So I wouldn't suggest to you that they're
we forced them to be bundled. They had to be bundled.

(01:29:30):
You have to have generation and transmission together or the
power gets generated it has nowhere to go.

Speaker 16 (01:29:34):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
I guess for clarity that would be you know the
Upper churchill has one and goll outed as another. Cons
understand your points to build it down, you still need
to get the power out. So I think that's what
they're referencing with the so called unbundle.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
Okay, so then if you're talking about the Upper churchial
renegotiation and the major construction projects, I want to be
clear that I think it's also probably not an accurate
characterization to say they are bundled. Yes, they exist in
the same MoU but it is clear that the project
for the new power purchase agreement, if you want to

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call that, a project that proceeds no matter what. So
it's not that if Go Island goes ahead, then you
get the new power arrangements for the power purchase agreement
that is not bundled together. They're happening at the same time,
but they are not bundled. One does not have to
occur for the other one to be in effect.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Fair enough, then there's some of the concerns that we hear,
and there's a variety of them. Number one that I
hear all the time is that the price is fixed.
It's not for Hydrochobeck, but it is for us.

Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
Right, It absolutely is not fixed. And I almost want
to do this. I did this in the media last
week and I am concerned, very concerned that that is
a statement that keeps getting written. It is written in
black and white, black and white in the MoU that
it is the price will capture changes in the market

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value and fareness over the term. So I cannot square
a characterization that something is fixed when that is what
is written in black and white. So just to continue
to assert for any folk who was saying that it
is a fixed value, it is inaccurate. And as I
said in the media last week following when Premier Lego

(01:31:20):
was here with our Premier Hogan, we would never sign
a fixed value contract. It is that simple. We would
never sign a fixed value. It is not fixed. And
in the MOLU states clearly that the pricing mechanism will
capture changes in the market value and will enable fairness
over the term. What is in there is the forecast

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of thirty three point eight billion, but that is not
a fixed number. It is a forecast number. And if
the price for electricity goes up at the borders, then
so will the price over time. So we need not
be afraid of the price changing that Quebec happens to
get over the border, because a portion of the price
as is also clearly aid out on the MoU will
be tied to market rates.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
There's also concerns coming forward based on common Safe for
instance from Michael saber and other there's at Hydro go
back now that he's moved on, of course to work
for the federal government. Is that they say their next
least expensive option to them was I think they used
the number twelve cents. Many people are using the number
sixteen cents. Yet when you compare that to what they're
going to get the power from the Churchill River, it's
far less than what their next best option was.

Speaker 4 (01:32:28):
Yes, and that is that that statement that Michael Sabey
had said. I had heard that as well. And when
we were considering what do we believe to be an
appropriate price over time, is that we are starting this
seventeen years early. We are not starting it in seventeen
years as we know that there's seventeen billion dollars of
value that will come to our province directly to privnal coffers.

(01:32:49):
Because that's also a misrepresentation, is that portion of that
has to go back to Quebec. No, that's not accurate.
Seventeen billion dollars will come to privnical coffers. By paying
for a price earlier, Quebec does not have to quote
unquote replace Churchill Falls until that point in time. And
the price is going to escalate from year one, which
is today, right up until twenty forty one and beyond.

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But they're paying us early, and so it's really really
important that folks understand is that Quebec are coming to
us and they are giving up free power for the
next seventeen years and we are agreeing that. Okay with that,
then we have to have a fair price, and that's
why we're using a mechanism that is still being negotiated.
That's another piece of information that is important for folks

(01:33:33):
to understands. There's an inference that the final formula is done.
It is literally an active negotiation, so that is right
now being negotiated with us. But a portion of the
price has to be touched to markets, a portion of
the price i'll be export markets. A portion of the
price has to be touched to the replacement value. So
we are indeed going to get these indicators included in

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our price.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
The price is not fixed, so to be clear, so
the equity state does not change at the uber Churchill,
nor does it change in twenty forty one, which people
don't actually realize either. So the on average billion dollars
because it's not a billion dollars in year one, so
the on average billion dollars to add up to seventeen billion.
That does not go back to the equity arrangement. That
is in addition to the equity arrangement. Is that how

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that marks is some.

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
What that means, I'm not quite sure what your question about.
You're correct that yet in year one, I will say
year one we started. Once we get the definitive agreements
done and we get basically a backcheck, the province is
really owed hundreds of millions of dollars to this point
in time in September. Contrast that to maybe ten million dollars, right,

(01:34:43):
ten million versus hundreds of millions is what we would
be owed through this year. And as you said, it
goes up over time between now and twenty forty one.
In twenty forty four, the early twenty forties, it's going
to be almost two billion a year, and then you
know ten or twelve years after that almost four billion
a year is this will deliver, and so the price
increases and therefore the revenue to the province increases over time.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Yeah. I guess what I was trying to say is
that what the equities break down the way it is
the average on average billion dollars for the next seventeen
years that is coming in for of this province. No
return off any of that money to hydro Quebec.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
Okay, yes, I get your question. Now, thanks for that clarification. Yes,
so that average of a billion now between now and
twenty forty one, that is exactly that comes directly to
the province from both water rentals as well as dividends
from the effect of the new power purchase agreements. Quebec obviously,
as a minority shareholder, gets its portion, but it is

(01:35:43):
one third of the profits. We get the two thirds
of the profits. So that is what they got in
the nineteen sixties with the ownership, and we have the
two thirds and that does not change in twenty forty one.
But we are getting two thirds of the profits and
they will get one third. But that, as I said,
is a billion dollars a year between now and twenty
forty one on average, and then it increases significantly.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
After that specific concern from the letter that I mentioned
earlier it says it has hydro Quebec monopoly over the
Church of River power, blocking access to broader markets.

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
Yeah, so that's something else that I'm finding quite troublesome
as well, that assertion that that is the only way
that we get value, and that to me is a
historical view versus not a future looking view, and I
think you enjoy hockey and the expression that that is

(01:36:35):
we should need to be skating to where the puck
is going, not where the puck has been. And historically
hydro Quebec have had an excess of power, and yes,
a lot of that would have come because they had
access to the Churchill false power, but going forward that
doesn't happen anymore. They are actively adding a lot of
new supply in their province. They just announced last week

(01:36:56):
six thousand megawats and eighteen billion dollar investment to add
a whole bunch of wind power. They are in an
energy deficit position. So the idea that we have to
be obsessed with getting access to the markets in the
future is a false premise. Hydro Quebec needs the power
in their province and so it's really important that we

(01:37:19):
find a way to make sure that if that's where
the prop the value is going to be really really
high by using, for example, a comparison to new supplies
that they're putting in their province, that is where the
pucket is going. We have to be looking at Howard
Quebec using this power in the future, and that is
what we need to do. To continue to look at
it as a cross border only important component of this

(01:37:40):
deal I think is really short sighted. However, obviously we
don't know today what's going to happen in thirty years,
forty years, twenty years. What we do know is that
we want to de risk whatever market we are tying to,
So our MoU is written in black and white that
we are tied to several different markets. We're not picking

(01:38:01):
a loser, and there's an inference that we have to
get to the market. Will want to point out as
well that our team are obsessed with understanding the electricity
markets and transmission access. It is a false supposition that
we will have because this is some of the mass
that I have seen circulating as well. Quebec gets ex

(01:38:23):
sense for kilo hour, then we'll just throw the full
value of Churchill Falls electricity over the border. And down
into the United States. The transmission is incredibly congested at
the border right now. So excuse me for there to
be an assertion that we will be able to take
all of Churchill Fall's power and send it over the
border in twenty forty one or some future year is

(01:38:45):
an absolute incorrect supposition. We may not even have access
to any of that transmission. And then if you don't
have access to the transmission that exists, you'd have to
then build it. That would significantly eat into the profits
that we are currently negotiating.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Even though we hear from say Insusce, Dennis Brown and
others on the Oversight Committee, they are already able to
look at the MoU not the hypotheticals into the future.
So given what you just said, is it part of
the negotiations to contemplate what it might look like and
the realities of access to broader markets If this long
kicked around, is all of John Diefenbaker East West Energy

(01:39:21):
cord or it becomes reality the Prime Minister has talked
about it, is this part of the conversation because that
would change things dramatically, would it not?

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
Well, I mean, when I think about this moment in
time for Canada. And I actually think this is not
just a moment, this is sort of a new period
that we are entering because a lot of the ideas
being promoted nationally are very big, multi year, you know,
probably even decades long projects, and Canada is looking for
provinces that can work with others, right. They are not saying, hey,

(01:39:52):
let's go support a bunch of projects that are very
individual and very insular focused. They are looking for projects
that are national building projects. So that doesn't mean, you know,
you build something necessarily within your own province and that's
going to get a lot of support from Canada. So
this is really important for us to understand. So what
does that assistance the nationally look like. That is to
be determined. Specifically, increasing the development of energy projects in

(01:40:17):
our province makes us a part of that conversation. And
if we're going to sit back instead and not proceed,
then we are not part of that conversation. Who are
we as a jurisdiction to deal with? Are we somebody
who can indeed get along with other provinces and get
along nationally, or are we somebody who's going to sit
back and wait for things to get better it's better now,
it's great now. This is a very very good deal

(01:40:39):
for our province. We are actually taking control of an
undeveloped resource. We have a you know, Go Island which
hasn't been developed. It's been sitting there for many, many decades, undeveloped.
We have the opportunity to develop these projects and be
in control of how these are being done. We are
not being brought to this table and forced to do that.

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This is our choice to participate in this set of
projects now to develop further what's happening in Labrador, and
it's our choice to do that, and we are therefore
in control of that, and we will be a better
national and provincial partner if.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
We do that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
Jennifer, do you have time for me to take a
break and come back and finish this up, because there's
a couple of questions that I still have. Sure, Okay,
let's do exactly that, putting miss Williams on hold, and
then we'll come back and finish our conversation. Then we'll
speak with you. Don't go away. Welcome back to the show.
Let's we join Jennifer Williams on too. Jennifer, you're back
on the air.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
Great thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
You're welcome. I appreciate your time. So then there's other
questions about contemplation of other technologies, you know, whether it
be the renewables and wind coming or pardon me, solar
and wind coming back down to earth in so far
as price per kiloot hour, things like artificial intelligence, So
what role did that play in understanding these ever evolving technologies,
And this.

Speaker 6 (01:41:49):
MoU excellent question.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
Thank you for that. We were actually just in Labrador
last week and obviously we spend a lot of time
both in Labrador as well as Hadro is responsible for Labrador,
and we have been meeting with various proponents for I
guess wanting to set up shop in Labrador for several years,
right for really this has gone on a long time,

(01:42:12):
but in particular for several years, and we have people
who are kicking the tires and who would love to
get power for a sentakilo whatever, and after a meeting
or two they quietly go away. And then we have
people who are very very serious about setting up shop
or expanding shop in Labrador. And obviously we're meeting with

(01:42:32):
the usual suspects. There's studies ongoing right now with proponents
in Labrador for us to expand the development in Labrador,
so that is very active. However, none of those megawats
that we've negotiated in the MoU, which is a quadrupling
of megawats in Labrador, none of those megots are currently

(01:42:53):
officially spoken for. So of course, if a AI project
comes along, if that's the one that we would want
to contemplate or look at, I think it's significantly a
public policy decision, like what is the right customer for
us to encourage. Then we have those megawatts. Right now,
we have five hundred and twenty five megawatts and we

(01:43:13):
are going up to nineteen hundred and nineteen, so it's
essentially a quadrupling. Recall that for the last number of
decades all we've had is five twenty five. So it's
really really important for folks to know that we have
negotiated a significant increase in access to power, and again
a lot of this is going to come from the
existing Churchill plant. There's a misconception or misinterpretation that we

(01:43:34):
have to wait for gol Island to get access to
this power. That's not accurate. We have access to this
power from the existing plant and a lot of the
power will come from there, and then we can then
choose whatever customer is the right customer. We will absolutely
be able to start saying yes to those customers Labrador.
If you go to Labrador and you participate in any
meetings with the people in Labrador, they are incredibly excited

(01:43:57):
about this opportunity. They have been frustrated for very long
time that they cannot get access for development and Labrador
and we are very very excited about it. And when
you have significant expansion in Labrador, whether that's through the
existing church to plant more access to power, or through
new developments and more access to power, you could start

(01:44:19):
saying yes to these customers. And it's very very exciting.
And I just want to build on that as well,
is that there are thousands and thousands of jobs that
will come with the development of the new projects. It's
really important if you talk to the trade industries. I'm
sure they would be great to have on your show
as well to talk about what this can mean to
them with regards to putting a lot of people to work.
And there's the economic spinoff that comes with these kinds

(01:44:42):
of projects for people that are not even working directly
on the new projects. It's really really exciting about what
we can do for those problems with these projects in Labrador.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
Now that you mentioned gaul So we're told all the
time that Hydrokoebec assumes all liability and financial risks at
gall Island. But where does the province actually have financial risk?
Because we're not, you know, risk free in this deal,
whether it be especially at the upper chcural and the
transmission projects as I understand it, So where exactly are
we assuming financial risk?

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
I don't know if I agree with the premise of
the question. Where are we assuming financial risk? I mean
if you look at one of the one of the
fundamental principles when we approach this negotiation was the province
cannot take on this financial risk. There's there's again an
inference or supposition, let's let's develop Go Island with somebody else.
What does that look like? Does that look like the

(01:45:35):
province then has to invest twenty five billion just for
the plant itself to develop or go it alone, and
certainly we we did that with muskrat Falls. We went
it alone. Or does it that you have to do
it with another third party? So you get another third
party to come in and develop a major hydroelectric facility
your province. What is what is going that could have

(01:45:55):
look like for other people With Go Island. We have
negotiated that hydro Quebec will pay US four point eight
billion dollars to pay for our equity. So there's that's
when we say that the financial risk is resting with Quebec.
We are not using tax payer money to develop to
put the equity in to get that project going. Then

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for the costs of when that project then is run
and it has all of its operating costs, which includes
the payment of its debt and that sort of thing,
all of those costs are going to be paid for
by the power purchase agreement. And so you're going to
have our return to our problems because we're going to
make money on this project as well, even though we
didn't put in our own money in equity, So we're
going to make money on that. They cost to run it,

(01:46:37):
the cost of paying people to work there, the cost
to have you know, contractors come in and change out
or transformer, all of those costs are going to be
paid by the off taker are going to be paid
by primarily hydro Quebec or if our problems choose to
use some of that power paid for by us. So
the risk there is absolutely Quebec's and that is why
we thought it was important. And Quebec are an agreement

(01:46:58):
that they would project manage to project. They have a
lot of these projects under their belt and they have
a proven record of doing a great job in developing
these projects. What better partner could we find than Hydro
Quebec with regards to building a very large hydro electric plant.
They've just completed some over the last couple of decades
with great results. These are a great partner for us
to take this on and for them to have to

(01:47:20):
do the project management and therefore assume the financial risk
associated with it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
What percentage of responsibility does Newfland Labrador or Hadro have
with transmission lines?

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
So Newflin Labrador will be the constructor and the project
manager for the transmission line that's within our province, and
we've done transmission lines in This is going to be
an AC line, not a DC not a DC line,
which is there is a difference. The lill is a
DC line is very different. We hadn't done it before.
We've got a lot of AC line construction under our belt,

(01:47:52):
and the last one that newflin Labrador Hydro did parking
the lill because that was a DC line was TL
two sixty seven. We did that on time and on budget.
And so this is a fairly straightforward line that will
be constructed in Labrador from the generation assets to the border.
So we are taking on the responsibility.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
To do that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
And the reason why we feel comfortable doing that is
because we've got a good record of constructing AC lines
in our province.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
And so that's one hundred percent responsibility, one.

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
Hundred percent responsibility and one hundred percent ownership. So the
one hundred percent ownership of that as well, and so
therefore we will get all of the returns associated with
that line and the profit associated with it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
I believe this is true. Correct me if I'm wrong.
So when we talk about the additional turbine at Beta
Spare and following along with Justice Leblau's recommendation and full
review of any project over fifty million dollars, if that's
the case of pay to spare, why is it not
the case with this one hundreds of billion is a
dollar deal.

Speaker 4 (01:48:47):
So this deal is a deal that is for a
set of assets that are not subject to the Public
Autilities Board review. And also the Public Auctilities Board is
in place to protect the right. It's my understanding that
their mandate does not currently have for it. I'll call
it an export resource project. So Gull Island is essentially

(01:49:10):
an export project, just like an oil and gas facility
would be or something along those lines. So the Public
Utilities Board purview is the is for rate pair protection.
So that's when they step in. So they, you know,
very closely, very closely examined Hydro's investments, as we're seeing
with for example, as you mentioned Beta Spirit. They very

(01:49:31):
closely examine all of New Fland powers costs, all of
our normal routine costs because those indeed affect the rate pair.
So that is the current accountability for the Public Utilities
Board for.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Any cost that we do incur. It's floating around out
there that Hydro Quebec will be the lender, whether it
be for the AC line, the transmission lines that you describe,
or any other work to be done. Is that the
case are we borrowing money from hydro Kobec.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
The exact financing mechanism for the large development projects is
currently under negotiation with Hydro Quebec, so that is to
be determined over the course of the coming months alongside
with them. But that is something that also needs to
be clarified is that Newfoundland and Labrador will not be
required to carry the debt for Gull Island on its

(01:50:16):
balance sheet. And so that is another I think misrepresentation
or mischaracterization that that's being inferred, is that we will
now have to take on twenty five billion dollars of
debt for Goala and that is simply not accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
So but for other moneys for construction of transmission or
the expansion of the or portecial will any money that
we have to spend, will that be bored from hydro Quebec.

Speaker 16 (01:50:37):
Not.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
Again, all of this is under negotiation and Quebec hydro
Qubec is not a bank, so I don't envision that
they're going to be the actual lender. But all of
the exactly how the debt will work is under negotiation
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
Last one, so Bill C five fast tracked to a parliament.
It's about nation building projects, shovel writing projects. We know
the Province of Quebec is already lobbying the federal government
for federal support in so far as transmission goes. So
if the federal government does get involved, whether it being
Quebec proper and or involved with you know, with the
Upper Churchill MoU and definitive agreements, does that change? Does
that being incorporated into the negotiations, because that would make

(01:51:14):
it a lot different when we talk about who gets what,
who benefits how much based on this new arrangement, because
if hydro Quebec gets money from the FEDS for transmission,
then their costs have been reduced and consequently their benefits
have also increased. Is that being incorporated.

Speaker 4 (01:51:30):
So without knowing exactly where the federal government is going
to go with regards to its nation building projects, because
you monitor it, I'm sure just as much as we do,
they are they are entertaining a lot of you know,
ideas from across the country about what should indeed be
at the window of this major project's office. That's really

(01:51:51):
what we are seeing first and foremost from the federal
government is they want to enable projects that are ready
to go shovel ready and that will enable nation and
building and so you know, we want to make sure
that you know, as it relates to our readiness, what's
possible Why this is important, you know, across the borders
or cross provinces. This is a project that can indeed

(01:52:13):
fit that bill. But when it comes to how how
how does that fit in with regards to financial we
haven't seen anything yet from the federal government as it
relates to what that help might look like. What we
have seen is these are probably going to get a
little technical now, but investment tax credits so there are

(01:52:35):
and can an infrastructure bank borrowing. There's existing mechanisms that
the federal government has in place to help any jurisdiction
make projects more affordable. For example, we talked to various
federal government institutions to find ways to make our projects
more cost effective. So that is the kinds of conversations

(01:52:56):
that will come over time and certainly we will be
at the table with the government and understanding what Quebec
is doing in that instance as well.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Yeah, because it'll be hard for the federal governments and
tell us it's not a nation building project because successive
governments can service and Liberals have called at that. That's
why they granted the federal loan guarantees. So we seem
to have already hit the bullseye. Let's see if someone
can pull that dark back out of the board. Good
to have you on the show. Appreciate the time. We'll
circle back when we have a chance. Thank you, Jennifer,
Thank you very much. Take care Bye bye okay by
Jennifer William's presidency, Owed Hydro. Let's take a break the

(01:53:26):
Tim Power Show. Joing the Conversation weekday afternoons at four
pm on your VOCM. Welcome back to the show. Let's
go to the London of Force. I want to ward
for a constar Tom Davis. Tom, you're on the air.

Speaker 6 (01:53:37):
Good morning, Patty Morning.

Speaker 15 (01:53:40):
There's a lot there. Look yeah, next week maybe having
a chat on it. So I want to you know,
obviously we've hit a lot on the get back to
school stuff and you know there's I want to shout
out to Amanda up On, Lady Smith up and came
out Tears, who did a lot of good work last
year bringing attention to the school bus crossings and other

(01:54:00):
people around the province are do that people passing the
school buses when they're stopped. I'm really hoping that that
message has been communicated and I'm looking forward to seeing
these these cameras on buses hopefully hit those hopefully small
number of people who seem to not realize the danger
they put our children in when they when they cross.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
Them fair enough.

Speaker 15 (01:54:25):
And again, you know, just to shout out to the errant.
See they really have stepped up their campaign. I mean
we've met with them a couple of times at senior
levels and really seeing a change. I've heard from residence
in the Bannerman Park area though that's not my ward,
but but again they reaching out to me just saying
they've seen a difference in police patrols in that area

(01:54:46):
as well. The city that through the taxpayer's money, has
invested in security to police some of our parks, Barring
Park and Bannerman and that also seems to be having
some impact on people. But again just to encourage residents
that when they see things going on that could be
aggressive driving, capture the information license plates, description of drivers,

(01:55:08):
descriptions of vehicles and pass it along to the R
and C. And as they say they want that information,
and they say they're going to follow up. And I
know in the case of up and come out tears,
I know for sure that tickets were given for passing
school buses with their stop signed arm extended and you know,
a Candida's Unfortunately, you know, the R and C can't

(01:55:30):
be everywhere and it's up to us as residence and
do our part.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
And that's the thing. There's not going to be a
police car or squad car or cop on the beat everywhere.
A lot of this boils back down to how people
behave themselves.

Speaker 15 (01:55:45):
Yeah, and you know we have these new speak cameras.
This one on water Forage Road. There will be one
up and up around of a Lark Isle and looking
forward to having that one. That's not every time I
drive by I look forward. I can't see it yet,
but I've been told it's going to be That's that'll
be the other one that's in the city. So we're
looking forward to see that, you know. You know again

(01:56:06):
it's it's up to all of us to do our part.
So I just want to encourage people to do their
part there along the same lines, next week the Safe
and Sound rally that's being organized by Guardians for Recovery
teen Oliver and her team of people. I'm going to
be out there. It's twelve o'clock meeting in front of
Confederation Building on Thursday, September the eleventh, I'm really hoping

(01:56:29):
to have a you know, center really strong message. I
know there was you know, the frustration with the treatment
home not getting MCP coverage. I mean, you know, we
know the harm to our society that that people who
when they get to that point that they want to
seek help. You know, we really owe it to not
only them in their families, but really to the greater

(01:56:51):
community through you know, they just the disruption the things
that people who are in addiction that you know, in
the cost of the justice system, to the healthcare that
we keep hitting on it, and just the social costs
to all of us that we you know, we we
see people I was my wife friend went down to
the pedestrian mall and were approached six times. We weren't
there very long, went down there for bydeed, six times

(01:57:13):
were approached by people looking for money, and one lady
approached us three times. And honestly, Patty, she had we
didn't move, We were in the same place.

Speaker 6 (01:57:22):
She didn't remember.

Speaker 15 (01:57:23):
Asking us before. I mean, she was that out of it,
and so I don't think she probably is one of
the people in the lineup for every recovery center. But
when people get to that point, we really owe to
them to have the bureaucracy act quickly or more more quickly,
because they were were don't spend it at that recovery center,
We'll spend many times more in the other parts of government.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
And people don't seem to realize that. But as one
hundred percent true and verifiable, it's true.

Speaker 6 (01:57:54):
It is indeed.

Speaker 15 (01:57:55):
Okay, So I'm just gonna I'm just to clarify everybody
because I get some questions. I am running and more
for so hopefully you know, the deadline is next Thursday,
the fourth for people to be nominated, and encourage people
to get out there if they feel that calling to
serve the residents of whether it's the city or whatever

(01:58:16):
municipality is. You know, it's a tough job, but it
is a rewarding job, and there's some great candidates running
this year, So just encourage everybody there. I want to
take off the hat now.

Speaker 6 (01:58:27):
I want to talk a little bit about.

Speaker 15 (01:58:30):
Healthcare and the impacts of our personal choices on healthcare.
You know, Newfolan Labrador. Unfortunately, we lead the country in
a lot of a lot of distinctions that we probably
shouldn't be leaving leading in and for example, adult obesity
forty percent higher in newfound and Labrador than it is

(01:58:52):
in Canada. And if you overweight plus obesity. By the way,
sixty eight percent of New Folkliners and Labrador and are
either overweight or obese or twenty seven percent higher than
the rest of the country. And unfortunately that oftentimes those
statistics draw straight line too. Diabetes mortality or one hundred
and fifty percent higher, cancer mortality twenty three percent higher,

(01:59:14):
heart disease thirty four percent higher, overall mortality twenty one
percent higher. The average New Fuliner and Labrariyan lives over
two years less than the average Canadian does. And you know,
our inactivity is higher, Our smoking prevalence is forty four
percent higher. And I don't even know how they would
even track that, because I make a practice of asking

(01:59:37):
people where they buy their cigarettes, and the vast majority
of people I talk to don't buy legal cigarettes, so
I don't even know how they know how many New
Fuliners Labrataries smoke, and of course heavy drinking were thirty
eight percent higher. And you know, then our childhood statistics,
nearly forty percent of children New Flaner are overweight or
obese compared to twenty percent nationally, so our children, unfortunately

(01:59:59):
are over double the level. And you know, all these
days we can go down through it, but you know,
at the end of the day, these are in the
most case, and in a lot of cases, cumulative personal
choices doesn't happen overnight, and we can't fix or make
it better overnight, you know. And I love the parts

(02:00:20):
of the Education Court that you focus on these. But
again I don't know the easy answers, but small steps
do make a difference. So I just want to, you know,
encourage people try and be a little bit more active.
Like when I go to the grocery store, I usually
park as far away from the gross store as I can.
It forces me to get a few more.

Speaker 6 (02:00:39):
Steps in.

Speaker 15 (02:00:41):
Anyway, So just just statistics for people to chew on
and hopefully we can make a difference collectively.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
Appreciate the time. Thank you, take care of one too.
Bye bye. I just said I find a break in
the morning. Don't go ahead, welcome back to the show.
Let's go to line one. Mike, you're on the air.
That's kind you good, thank you.

Speaker 13 (02:00:59):
Just on the instant that they had Ambrassa Street, the
two guys that they arrested in the Berlin and everything else.
As I said to you, there a couple weeks Stoners
that year very thank will braces it too high risk
offenders and stuff like I think Saint Chance and everywhere
is just getting out of hand with with stunts and
robberies and everything else. Is just like about the lunch.

Speaker 2 (02:01:23):
No argument here. It's certainly a different city that I
grew up in.

Speaker 13 (02:01:27):
Yes, big time. The topic today is to do with
the Legionnaire. You're Friday and apparently the Legionnaire came back
and Friday I think before lunch hour lunch hour, but
it ended up going a long time hide up and
to me, nobody knows why. And it's up. There's not mechanical,
there's not this that supposedly and Romer has it they

(02:01:49):
had to do with the captain and the crew member
or whatever. But I think myself that Fred Hunting, Fred
Hunting should come on as MHA for belong and everything else.
That's our that's our highway, and we like to have answers.
But's on a goo that reagion there that's been gone
as long as it has overdue getting back and there's

(02:02:10):
up nine time tied up the Flanders they bought back
Friday and that had mechanical issues and apparently us they say,
this came for a couple of months and we're down
to the moament that's brought them a wing and a
prayer that's stopping happens that today to that boat. Today
we've got people strying that again on the other side,
metigal workers and everything else. So I'll like to call

(02:02:33):
her do the throut Hunton to come on your line
tomorrow and explain us on the go with this boat.

Speaker 2 (02:02:39):
Yeah, I'd like to know too, because I got people
telling me it's a crew issue. And if it's crew issue,
what is the crew issue?

Speaker 13 (02:02:47):
Absolutely and if it's something held up for something to
do with that that, you know, just take away again
our highway somebody like somebody needs somebody needs command an
answered question man that and if it is somebody needs
to be recommended over this, that is our highway.

Speaker 11 (02:03:08):
Again.

Speaker 13 (02:03:08):
We've been out without there for eight to nine, ten
months or whatever and for that to go and refit
and it's like you have to hear them enough calls,
I'm sure from our place all go and everything else
with the boat situation over the summer, our tours, workers
and everything else. I mean, you go to town today
on the moment, and especially if it comes four o'clock

(02:03:30):
or when people get off work, it'll be over there
two three, four hours before you can get back back
to the olive because the boat is the smallest boat.
And again our legionaire has been gone that far. It's
back and our s up tied up line pan again
and calling out down Fred Houghton to come on your
airways and let people the public know what's on a

(02:03:52):
goal with this situation.

Speaker 2 (02:03:54):
I'll see what I can find out, because I got
a bunch of people telling me something about the crew,
this crew that, so I'll get confirmation as soon as possible.

Speaker 13 (02:04:00):
Mike, Patty, thank you very much and you have wonnable late.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
Appreciate your time. Take care, Bye bye. All right, let's
go to lie number two. Jennifer, you're on the air. Yes, Hi,
good morning, Patty morning.

Speaker 3 (02:04:12):
I just I just found what seemed to be a
lab blonde lab retriever running down carriage drive, so appreciate
you putting it out. This little girl needs to join.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
Her mom and dad again, no doubt. So you have
the dog in the yard or in your home.

Speaker 3 (02:04:31):
Yes, I have him in my backyard.

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
Yeah, all right, So no collar or anything on the dog, No, no, I.

Speaker 3 (02:04:38):
Walked up the street in hopes of somebody, but you know,
he probably slipped out of the backyard. Maybe maybe family's
working or something.

Speaker 2 (02:04:48):
Let's see if we can't help you out here. So
if you can, maybe you can send along a picture
to feedback at VOSM dot com so we can put
it up on our socials to help as well.

Speaker 3 (02:04:58):
Yes, I did that, okay, good before and I send
the future so hopefully somebody will recognize them and come and.

Speaker 2 (02:05:04):
Collect them fingers cross. Thanks for doing this, Jennifer, all right,
thank you, bye bye, goodbye. All right, fun and word
of the goals to Nantumer three you sag more, it's
the liberal candidate. We're in a Mount Pearl, South Founds.
Sarah for Along salary are.

Speaker 7 (02:05:15):
On the air, Hi, Patty, how are you today?

Speaker 16 (02:05:17):
Great?

Speaker 2 (02:05:18):
Today? How about you good?

Speaker 7 (02:05:20):
I won't keep you. I know the show's ending. I
as a mama three, I just want to stay.

Speaker 17 (02:05:25):
Good luck to all the parents and grandparents out there
who are trying to get their children and all the
kids ready for school, and as well the teachers and
all of the staff who are in as well. It's
really important for everyone to understand the importance of all
types of social determinants of education and how that impacts

(02:05:47):
the kids. My son newly diagnosed with autism over the
last couple of months, so this is I'm going into
the school system without the support. I've heard that a
lot online, especially yesterday reading social media. So I want
to tell every parent out there, every guard being out there,
that they need to truly be their own advocate for

(02:06:09):
their kids, you know, reach out to the school board,
request the meetings or the sorry of the principal or
then the school board or the MH in the area.

Speaker 2 (02:06:21):
You know.

Speaker 17 (02:06:22):
A lot of times we all don't know what someone
is going through or the personal information. So like myself,
my child's going in tomorrow to school. There's a lot
of anxiety around that, and if you know, for me,
I'm going to have a conversation with the principal about
setting up those meetings. So I just want to let
everyone know that they're not alone, you know, and good

(02:06:44):
luck out there, and if there's anything that I can
do for anyone in my district in mal Poro Southlands
or anywhere at all, please reach out to me.

Speaker 2 (02:06:54):
Yeah, and you're right in one thing. For sures, everyone
needs to be their own advocate. What I would say
to that is not everybody's armed with that ability or want.

Speaker 6 (02:07:03):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (02:07:04):
It's a tricky piece of business, which I guess why
they asked me to do it sometimes on their behalf,
but it's a it's a pretty solid message. Sarah, you've
had the last word. I appreciate your time, Thank you so.

Speaker 17 (02:07:14):
Much, and just remind her that also that's my position
through the Mental Health Foundation of Canada. I am a
social Systems Navigation coordinator, so if anyone needs to reach
out to me true mental health, they can do their.

Speaker 7 (02:07:26):
Do so at MHFOC dot com as well.

Speaker 2 (02:07:29):
Thanks very much, Sarah, Thank you so much. Have a
great day you too, Bye bye, Sarah. Forlong, I'm running
for the Liberals Mount Pearl, Southlands, all right. I found
checking on the Twitter box for VOSIM open long you
know what to do. Email addresses open line at FOSM
dot com. But we will indeed pick up this conversation
again tomorrow morning right here on VOCM and Big Land
of FM's open line on behalf of the producer David Williams.

(02:07:49):
I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun,
happy day. We'll talk in the morning. Bye bye

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