Wednesday Nov 19th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line Call seven oh nine two
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Patty Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Wednesday, November
the nineteenth. This is Open Line. I'm your host, Patty Daily.
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now there are two professional hockey player siblings. We all
know Alex the Hook playing for the Mortshal Canadians, but
just yesterday Abby no Hook, who played a college at
Boston College. Of course, she was drafted by the Boston
Fleet to play in the professional Women's Hockey League made

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the team out of camp. Signed her first professional contract yesterday,
So the New York siblings both pro hockey players. Absolutely
brilliant stuff, all right, and no one will be surprised
by this little baseball note. So Bobashett is a free agent.
He's going to test the market. The Jays made him
a qualifying offer. He declined it. At qualifying offers, you
take the median salary the top one hundred and twenty

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five best paid players in the majors, so the qualifying
offer was over twenty two million dollars. It's not unusual
for players that are Bo's caliber to decline the qualifying offer.
And there's a bunch of big names out there who
did the exact same thing. Hopefully one or two of
them end up as a Jay. So the Jays will
have to compete with the rest of the league and
trying to secure Bobaschett's services into the future. When you

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make a qualifying offer, though, if you lose Bashett, then
you get some draft picks as compensation. So we don't
know it's going to be coming quite yet, but he
declined the qualifier. No surprise, all right, Just a very
quick intro note. In the World Professional Men's Tennis, so
I talked about the fact that world number one Carlos
al Kaariz and world number two Janick Center played against
each other in the ATP finals just this past weekend.

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The rivalry is pretty great. As professionals. They have played
three three hundred and two points in their rivalry. They've
both won sixteen hundred and fifty one, the exact same
number of points one as rivals at in professional men's tennis.
Wild All right, more important stuff for you, issome. So
we're going to get an update today from new Transportation
Minister Barry Pettin, and this is about twenty four to

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seven winter maintenance operations, so ice control and snow clearing.
It was one of the promises that the PC's made
on the campaign trail, and we get copious number of
emails about snow clearing and the lack thereof or the
lack of voice control. When the argument was made as
to why twenty four to seven was not required and
this is not in all areas. We'll find out from
the Minister of this morning about exactly what will be

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cover twenty four seven. We were always told, you know
what happens if you have to call nine one one
an ambulance and the answer will come back to something
like this, well, we will be prepared to respond. So
at that point you've got to get the operator out
of the bunk, over to the depot, get into the equipment,
make their way to the area where the ambulance of
the cop car or the fire truck has to go. When,

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of course every second matter is when we're talking about
an emergency. So it never really made a whole lot
of sense. But the twenty four to seven winter maintenance
operations announcements coming around at eleven o'clock this morning from
the provincial depot in Fox Strapper will figure it out
and we'll follow it on your behalf. I will add
to that, when we talk about emergencies, people like to
point to the fact that there's so many areas in

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the province where emergency services cannot be called because your
cell phone doesn't work. So in addition to the winter
operation announcement, I'd be curious to know what the plan
is of the new PC government about expansion or work
with the telecom companies so that we can improve cell
phone service. Your thoughts all right? So we had Shiloh

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Larry on the program. I think was on one the
NDP member for Saint John's E's Kitty Viddi, talking about
the potential to remove tax from home heating. Now we
have the province's consumer advocate, Dennis Brown chiming in and
what he calls a capital cost crisis. Looking over the
next couple of years and the money's requested by Hydro
or expenditures once to be approved by the pub from

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Newfland labat Or Hydro and New Flampower. He warns that
it's going to put some serious pressure on the rate pair.
Quote from mister Brown, this sloping capital cost crisis where
reflects newfuland and Laborator Hydro's past decisions and future plans.
It was not caused by New flamp Power. However, there
are actions that it can take to help avoid or
mitigate the potentially devastating costs of the consumer. Remember, we

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just saw a seven percent rate hike on the first
of July. In June, Newfland Power submitted an application to
the Public Utilities Board looking for one hundred and forty
million dollars in new expenditures from twenty twenty six to
twenty twenty eight. We don't really know all the nitty
gritty details guarding that proposal of one hundred and forty
million dollars, but we also know that Newfland Labator Hydro

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is seeking billions for new power capacity, whether it be expansion,
and the eighth generating unit at Beta spare one hundred
and fifty megawatt combined cycle turbine of some variety to
be stationed at Holyrood. But it'd be nice to know
exactly what's involved here and how that's going to fall
back to the rate pair. One of the recommendations that
mister Brown sites is advising against the approval of projects

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at Mount Carmel Pond. Dan Brown says it costs too
much money with minimum positive impact. Also a proposed customer
correspondence modernization program costing just shy two million dollars. Mister
Brown says there's no evidence that right pairs have asked
for it. He goes on to say that he thinks
new Flamp Power should install or move to installing smart meters,
ideally by the end of next year. Eight other provinces

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have made the switch to smart meters, but we are
not one of them. New Flampower says it's too expensive
inso far as their operations, and then consequently costs to
the rate pair. Your on it all, right, So it's
fifteen years ago, either yesterday or today, where the Muskrat
Falls announcement was made at Confederation Building by then Premier
Danny Williams. Fifteen years later, I'm not so sure we

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have a final tally of overall cost. The last we
heard was thirteen point five billion dollars, but that number
is a couple of years old, so there was still
work being done, whether it be at the Labrador Island
Link and otherwise. We know there continues to be concerns
with at least one of the generating units at Muskraft Falls,
so where is that particular number? Also, I guess sticking
with the river for a second. In so far as

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the memorandum of understanding, some people might be tired of
hearing about it, but it's fifty plus years of our future,
and we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars, so
we can take it on from any angle if you're
so inclined. One question that I'll put back out through though,
is what does Jennifer Williams think of the PC stance

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on it. What does Premier Tony Wakem think about Jenner
for William's role at the Helm of Hydro, given the fact
that she was one of the key architects and negotiators
for where we've landed with this memorandum of understanding. So
I'm not speaking ill of either side on that front,
but that working relationship has got to be a good
one for all of our collective best interests. So you
just wonder where that might be sticking with Labrador. So,

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in an attempt to restructure and to provide more stability,
Rio Tinto is making some layoffs, including in Labrador City,
here in the city of Saint John set To Eel Quebec,
and in Montreal. And of course they're the majority owner
of IOC, the Iron Ore Company of Canada. All right.
They talk about trying to provide support to employees through
assistance programs, trying to find other jobs for employees to do,

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but it really feels like a top heavy issue. Apparently
none of the unionized staff, hourly wage workers are being
laid off, But when you're in the community like that,
layoffs have an impact across the community. Of course they do.
But it'd be nice to know exactly how many patient
positions are being affected, but we do not know. So

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there's a hiring freeze in place in addition to it,
but a sobering moment for the folks in Lab West
at this moment of time. Nobody wants to hear about
folks losing their job, especially in an area where we
see such a bullish future. So many opportunities in mining,
current minding operations, expansions, potential for new mines, but rio
tinto layoffs are happening. You want to talk about it,

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let's go and on that from when we talk about
job losses. You know, not everybody is pleased to see
that the public service at the federal level is going
to be downsized. You've heard the story coming from the
twenty twenty five budget about at least sixteen thousand jobs
to be lost over the course of the next three years,
some through attrition. There's plenty people that are scheduled to

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retire in the next year or two. But at the
Federation of Labor, who are in the last day of
a national convention, of course they're concerned. The question would be,
is during the increase in the numbers of people working
for the federal government over the last decade, did we
see a commensurate improvement with services and access to services?
And I think buying large Canadians would say no, And

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I think it's been well documented by the country's Auditor General,
Karen Hogan that she doesn't think so either. There's some
looming gaps. So now with the further reduction, and we
can talk about artificial intelligence replacing some of the human
beings working in various positions at the federal government level.
But that's the big question I think for Canadians. Yes,
the savings and people talk about public service blow and

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or are top heavy inside the ranks of senior bureaucrats,
but it's the services, the quality of and the access
to I think would be the number one concern in
addition to people actually losing their job. But if you
want to talk about it, we can do it and
talk about the potential for jobs to be lost. Yesterday,
the kind of Post corporation held their annual meeting and

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they are absolutely bleeding money here we go so far
this year. And this comes from the chief financial officer,
Rendal al Hagey. I believe her name is all right
Canada Posts operating loss so far in twenty twenty five
totals more than one billion dollars. Latest quarterly loss five
hundred and forty one million dollars before attax unprecedented numbers.

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It's the largest quarterly loss in the company's history. There
were recommendations made back in September that didn't sit well
with the union representing the postal workers, and of course
the FED set in a way to try to right
size or to try to get back on some sort
of stable footing ending home delivery, you know, for parts
of the country that didn't see an end to their

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home delivery and moved to the super mailbox, like, for instance,
that my family has to go to. But it's different
for us. It's just downstreet. For folks and more rural
parts of the country, it could be a pretty long
distance from where you live. In addition to that, there
was recommendations that caught a full swath of rawly located
postal stations post offices, I suppose, so looking for some

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sort of future for Canada Post, they have submitted some
sort of plant to modernize the service back in September
or no part of me in October, not entirely sure
where that lands. But here they do, and this is
the CEO talking about pretty vague hints at massive job cuts.
They're going to see a nutrition to downsize from its
workforce that currently stands around sixty two thousand employees. Sixteen

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thousand employees retiring from or leaving the court by twenty
thirty another fourteen thy by twenty thirty five. So even
when recommendations were made to increase the price of a stamp,
you know, some of the Canada Posts blame on the
workers and the vice versa. Unionized workers blame in the leadership,
and they did squander what was a pretty significant surplus.

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They say at the corporate level that it was a
need to modernize and improve infrastructure, but the future Canada
Post looks pretty bleak. It's easy enough to say, well,
just use a courier service. The one issue there is
pretty clear. There are a significant number of Canadians that
the only access they have to postal mail and or

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personal delivery is from Canada Post. As they refer to it,
the last mile service, which we keep seeing even though
we're using kilometers in this country. But the last mile
of service is going to be a tricky one to
overcome and the future does indeed look pretty bleak. All right.
Yesterday we find out the result of a court challenge

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regarding Breyer Renewables and the flash fire explosion that happened
over three years ago. A man is dead. So Breyer
pled guilty to one charge and all the rest of
the charges were taken off. So they were sentenced for
safety violations related to the explosion. So they pleaded guilty

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to one occupational health and safety violation. Okay, when you
talk about a corporation being found guilty in the contravention
of some of the OHS rules and regulations, it comes
down to a fine. So the Crown and Breya provided
the judge when they joined sentencing submission, a total financial
penalty of one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. Now, the

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company's lawyer does go on to say that the sentencing
process is not about attempting to put a value on
a life that has been lost here or to somehow
assess the injuries that have been suffered. Some of the
injuries were significant, and again a man is dead. So
the total find comes in three components, a sixty thousand
dollars fine, an eighteen thousand victim find surcharge and another

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forty thousand dollars payable to the Minister for the purpose
of public education. So it really comes across as a
very call way to adjudicate exactly what happened whence all
these men were hurt and someone died. But that's the
result of that particular court case, and that'll bring upon
some pretty emotional reaction from unionized leaders or otherwise. In

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addition to that, it's probably important to put out there
again that there was an a turn ladder at the
province's Occupational Health and Safety Division and it became evident
that very frequently they missed the two your deadline for
concluding investigations, so that was into serious workplace accidents. Consequently,
we don't know exactly what companies may indeed have been

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able to wiggle off the hook because they weren't providing
safe working conditions, just like at BREA. So there's obviously
an impact on justice. It looked back to the twenty
twenty two audit looked all the way back to twenty seventeen,
and they find that somewhere in the neighborhood of at
least a quarter never ever hit the deadline of two years.
There was also clear examples of nudging right up against

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the deadline of two years and just rushing to put
forward a statement, and then other court cases where there
was no evidence put forward. So I wonder where we
are on that front, because that's pretty important stuff. So
whether it be some systemic issues with high turnovers for
their investigators, some of the outdated processes, period outdated procedures.

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So anyway we want to talk about it, we can
do it. How we doing that through Dave. There's a
bunch I really wanted to get to. But again I
understand we had some complaints come in about, you know,
the audacity of Liberal members who were part of the
past liberal government questioning your criticized and complaining about current
government operations, given the fact that we are really early

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in the PC government days. But some issues just deserve
some pretty immediate attention. Like all the understandings we have
about the Auditor General's reporting things like personal care homes
and long term care homes. Those seem to be pretty
well understood by the PCs, given the fact that we
all read the same reports, We're all familiar with the recommendations.
So you can tell me what you think the appropriate

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timeline is. All right, see your story from Mount Pearl,
remember where there was two episodes of some pretty serious
beatings being handed out and it scared the community. So
the final team to learn his fate has found it.
He was fifteen years of age at the time and
they were doing what they thought were luring pedophiles. The

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problem is number one, vigilanteism is dangerous no matter how
you caught it. And one of the people that got
beat severely with a bat wasn't involved at all. They
identified the wrong guy. So he's been charged now, of course,
and he's been through the courts two counts of aggravated
assault which he pled guilty, served twenty four days in custody,

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and now just eighteen months of probation. So that did
indeed shock the community, no question. But you know, and
as the judge said, whether or not it was a
pedophile or not, you know, the act of being a
vigilante and handing out these beatings with baseball bats of
course rocked the community. And so these teens that will
hang that have that hanging over the red and the

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men who got beaten for no good reason. One right
outside of school, picking up his own child. But anyway,
and talk about learning pedophiles. Oh man. So yesterday, Congress
has voted in overwhelming fashion to see the release of
what people call the Epstein Files. Inside the legislation called

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the Epstein Files Transparency Act. All right, it gives Congress
the ability to, in some form or fashion sort of
hide from it. It's going to go to the United
States Senate, to which they say they're going to make
careful amendments in an effort to protect the victims. Even
though victim protection is part of the bill. You can

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read it for yourself. Then, Speaker just quickly, people ask
me sometimes, why do we even talk about American politics. Well,
American politics, American life, American discourse makes its way into
the Canadian conversation. It just does, whether it be economically
and or societally. So that's why I think you can't
avoid talking about the train wreck that is American politics.

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Back to the conversation. So Speaker Mark Johnson has said
they're going to take their time, which means they're going
to drag their feet. Then, of course, is the complicating
factor of requests from the Oval Office to have some
prominent Democrats investigated, investigated by the FBI and the Department
of Justice. So consequently, what's the likelihood of very little
to no information for a long time will be revealed

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why ongoing investigations. Politicians love to hind behind the ongoing investigation,
So we'll see as to whether or not though so
apparently the President has to sign the legislation today that
gives the DOJ thirty days to release the information, the
unclassified materials. But I guess there's some concerns as to

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whether or not you're going to be able to trust
anything you see at this stage. Right, what do you
think a couple of last quick ones. So the Prime
Minister is on his way to the United Arab Emirates
a stopover to try to forge more access to money.
So the UAE sits on some of the largest sovereign
wealth funds in the world, so there's always going to
be concerns about who trading partners should be. People voiced

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concerns about China, I get it. Then it's about the
Saudis or the Qataris or the United Arab Emirates because
they all have some pretty dodgy backgrounds insofar as potential
to fund for instance, paramilitary operations in the Sudan, which
has been accused of the UAE repeatedly, the Qataris, the Saudis.

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So people talk about pragmatism and needing to access to
capital or to do business with partners, even with acknowledgments
of human rights, but it is staggering to watch some
of the things that go on here. So just a
couple of just last week there was a former al
Qaeda terrorist who was on their terrorism watch list and
had a ten million dollar bounty on his said welcomed

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gleefully into the Oval office. And just yesterday, which is
truly remarkable. It's so the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia MSB,
who the CIA has said was responsible for the murder
and dismembering of journalist Jamal Kashoki. The President was asked
about it directly in the office yesterday, to which he

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basically said, well, you know, not everyone liked him and
he was a bad guy. Things happened. Wow, I mean wow,
remember the Saudis who have a very tainted past. While
you welcome MSB on his rehabilitation tour into and I
know we had a Nazi inside the Common House of
Common so I understand all of these issues, but to

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know that the Saudis, even with their a couple of
billion dollars to mister Kushner, fifteen of nineteen nine to
eleven hijackers were cities in Saudi Arabia. Other four hijackers
were from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt, one
from Lebanon. Sadi's put two billion dollars into Kushner's fledgling
equity fund firm back in twenty twenty one. So it's

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a weird world. While people are absolutely outraged that ma'm
Danny became the mayor of New York and the possibility
for Sharia law and all the communism and all the
rest of it, but gleefully welcoming in people who were
not only one an actual terrorist known for be heading Americans,
and then MSB, who is And it's unbelievable. Even the

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President yesterday said that that MSB doesn't know anything about
the death of Jamaalka Shogi even though he don't see I.
He said he absolutely was responsible for it and gave
the order for it. It's a wild time to be alive.
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Speaker 3 (21:20):
Good morning.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
How are you.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
I'm doing okay? Thank you? How about you?

Speaker 5 (21:24):
NOK?

Speaker 6 (21:24):
Too bad?

Speaker 7 (21:25):
Yesterday morning I got cut off. I was trying to
bet on when the nurses they were talking about the
nurse practitioners. I just retired actually two years now from
nursing thirty two years, and.

Speaker 6 (21:39):
I'm glad I'm out of it now because it's absolutely terrible.

Speaker 7 (21:42):
But the nurse practitioners are so neat, even though you
know you have to pay for him, but you pay
for what you get. Because I have a family member
who has been about five years trying to get her
doctor to.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
Assess her for these tremor.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Chat Dave, can you check and see if we have
an issue with Janet's line? Janet, do you still learn
line number two? They've just picked up. See if we
can make sure we have a good line with Janet.
Let's go to line number one barrier on the air.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Good morning, pay thanks, take my call. Then let's focus here.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Welcome back, Patty.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
A couple of things before getting into the food fishry.
One is I'd like to center birty Greens and the
birth of greens to Patty is going up to Sharing
the Harvest there now is there fifth year in operation?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Fantastic, You're doing good work. So for folks who don't know,
tell us about Share the Harvest and how it began
and how it's grown well.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
Sharing the Harvest is a program that I developed similar
to hunters Hoping the Hungry, where hunters can donate their moose, caribou,
and now we've expanded to country food, blueberry carriage, varies,
chiech etc. To Sharing the harvesing. We in turns donate
to the food banks in Saint gres in John's area
and outs its senior citizens.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Fantastic and so you know, insofar as how it's grown,
I've also referred to the amount of donations and been
able to receive and how many people have been able
to help.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
We're getting donations now, Patty. I'll be honest, I'm buying
most of the country food Okay, to distribute and that's
fair enough. That's that's I'm not conn larning about that.
But the need is there, and this year seems to
be more and more senior citizens that are that are
calling me looking for country food. That reflects on the

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on the food and security crisis as I call it,
not issue anymore crisis.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Well it is that. I mean, just anyone who's been
to a grocery shore in the last number of years
knows exactly what it's like. And the purchasing power of
a dollar continues to erode. So whatever the crisis is today,
it's going to be even worse for many tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Indeed, so, Patty, indeed so. And the second thing I'd
like to say is give a shout out to the
people of porch Clos South. I'm glad that everything worked
out and you got your parish back.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah. So that story there is Holy Rocary Parish out
and Portugal Coast South. They were very quick to say
when the Roman Catholic Episcopal Corporation was insolvent and had
to sell off all of the church properties parish halls
and churches and other lands and property, they said no,
they put a lock on the door. They told developers
to stay away, you're not welcome in Portugal Co South
and now lo and behold, they're able to maintain and

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keep their church in the community. So they stood fast
and they won.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Indeed, so Patty, indeed so so it brings me to
the Maine. How do you get food fishery?

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Okay, Patty?

Speaker 5 (24:39):
How many years? How many clouds have I have we
had together talk about food.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
Fishy over the years. A lot?

Speaker 5 (24:48):
Yeah, true, you have to think and impossible to tel.
So here we are today now at the end of
another food fishery, and we were lobbying hard there before
food fishy start there in spring, and we're hoping to
get some kind of leeway. But lo and behold, there
was no changes and we were greatly disappointed again. But
the Minister John Thompson came out and said that she

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was going to do do a a consertation meeting file.
I immediately thought that that was gonna be online, and
then I then she made the announcement that was going
to be a community town hall meetings around the Prouds,
which was great. But now, lo and behold, she made
the announcing at the UH on the broadcast, or made
the illusion on broadcast. There passed Friday down at the

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Mary Brown Center that uh, it may be in the
form of a of an online survey and lo and behold, yes,
they say. The day before the survey, she was announced
that the survey was coming out in an online survey passion,
which is greatly disappointing. But you know, what do you do?

Speaker 8 (25:57):
So you know what?

Speaker 6 (25:58):
What what we looking for?

Speaker 5 (26:00):
We're just looking well down to letters respecting common decency
and it's truly unacceptable, Patty. The fact that we had
to form a food Fishery Fighters group features about how
little otto I listened to what we're talking about. And
Minister Thompson has also said that she is open to
have meetings and discussions about the about the survey, et cetera. Well,

(26:23):
my god, Patty, I sent her an email for a
meeting in u in August six and I just got
answered there but a week and a half, goro, So
how how the heck can I expect to get a
meeting with her if she doesn't need answered emails.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
It's an excellent question. Sorry, go ahead, That's all I
had is if Look, I'm always almost getting tired of
this exact phrase. But even if people don't get the
answer they want. An answer is better than silence, and
I have no worth the idea why politicians can't figure
that out.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
I was totally unacceptable that the people that we vote
in can't even meet with us to listen to our
concerns concerns. So you know, we thought that this sprint
hass we had a good chance of getting something to
change with more time with the food fishery. Because more
time is ended commercial fishermen fisher's got the day quota,

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increased quota of twenty thousand metric terms. I should say
I'm in double the quota. The foreigners got a quota,
force them all over the world and come here and
fish any day of the week, Patty, any day of
the week and fish and keep cut where we're only
relegated to three days a week. That's not acceptable. And

(27:45):
right now we're also three differently than our neighbors in
Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and cobect think fish seven days
a week in summer while we're limited to three. And hey,
let's have about to the limit for a second, and
has five fish per person per day. Well, in New
Brunswick and Nova Scotia, they have join they have two
different fisheries. One is the recreational fishery, which is the

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shoreline recreational fishery or kaya candicats, but then the other
were kia candicats. So when the car is opened, their
daily bag them is fifteen fish. Five can't be any
more than five cod fish. But the quote also includes hate, hate, public,
et cetera, and plown Whereas here if we catch planet,

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let's cut to count tiba bag limit, our vacuum should
be exceeded that we were lobby and four an increase
to ten fish purpose per day. Now grieg NECESSI and
the full in security crist that we have already talked about.
So if I totally unascettable that we can't get anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, I don't know how the consultations are going to
work or if there's any change coming. The consultations might
be as much as as important as things like budget consultations,
because when that happens, people put forward their needs and
wants and whatever laundry listened to demands. But generally speaking,
the budget is almost carefully crafted prior to consultations. It
probably doesn't mean a whole lot as people of feeling

(29:05):
that they've had their say. Whether or not they're say
it has been heard, will be acknowledged and implemented. I
think it's more window dressing than anything else.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Patty, Well, to let me move on your listeners. A
number of reasons while we're seeking an enthancement fairness. As
I mentioned earlier, we deserve the same apps as other
a Marathime provinces. Safety. We talked about the weather and
going out, food security. We talked about that equality well,
to be equal to our a Marathime provinces and the
cultures stronger communities because that's enhancing the food fishery. Look

(29:37):
at those stronger communities and economics. Culture is very important
because God is part of who we are. Our complicity
will it contacts, It connects generations and teach their kids
traditional skills. The knowledge is being passed over just a
little while or the some me saying it about the
closural fisherroom. How that's lots of generation. And the generation

(29:57):
is very important because there's all kind of skills now
and everybody else to pass down from generation generation and
we're losing that. And sustainability sciences and stocks can support
amount of seacreaes. Okay, we're asking for are living from
five fish to tame fish for person per day, and
you taught me talk about that. I mean we're faking well,
we're being greedy. No, it's not being greedy. If you

(30:19):
compare the the what we're asking for to the offshore
of dragons and trawlers, you take one net of trawler
tax of freeze trialer. That's how he's more than what
the food tissue actually catches.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, for once and for all, we're going to have
to put some scientific numbers together so we can put
that conversation to bed. People hate to hear it, but
whether it's a logbook or one season with tags, just
to provide the numbers. So, I mean, actual data is
better than anecdotal data. And guess work, Barry, appreciate the time.
Anything else quick before I say goodbye.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
Yes, indeed, Patty, thank you very mar saying so in colding.
You know, it's it's not just like catching fish, Patty,
it's both fear and us.

Speaker 9 (31:00):
It's a fool.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
It's not in our future enhancing foods for remains, honoring
our heritage, for ensuring our fans through throughout today. And
you know, essentially rats for a reconciliation. We want to
fear of future and not just we're not asking for
special treatment, just fear of treatment and respect. So you know, uh,
in this conversation, I'll talk about the e book and

(31:22):
the e book or lag book or whatever. And there's
a question on the survey that narrows you down to
the choice whether you want to They say, who do
you support an increased limit with a log book or
if you don't want to make a reported a log book,
look at the decreasing your limit. So again, it's their
treatment by children in the game.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, it's it's unnecessary. That's one thing for sure, Barry.
I got to get going and appreciate your time, Patty.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
Thinking is always been a pleasure, my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Take care all right, Bye bye. I don't know what
happened to Janet, because that was probably an important conversation.
We got to nurse practitioners and she'd know she was
thirty two years in the nursing field. That's break in.
When we go back, Byron was there to talk about
school buses don't go away. Welcome back to the show.
Let's go to line number three Byron around the air.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Oh sir, can you hear me.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
I can hear you, Hi, Patty.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Thank you for taking your time to talk to me,
No problem, go ahead. I want to tell you a
little bit bit about my past.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Now.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
I grew up here in mary Saint, Newfoundland, and I
had had a really rough pass in school. I was
doing special ed to get my rust of my credits
to graduate. And the last week of school, this is
in two thousand and five, I went to get on
the bus on my permitted seat. I was told I

(32:40):
had to sit in the front seat all through high school.
And there was a pack of crackers and peanut butter
on my seat, which I'm extremely allergic to. So I
threw them onto the ground and the bus driver turned
around and I got expelled from school for the for
that reason. Now I taught my son. Now, I don't

(33:02):
want to get too emotional, but me and my son,
I got full cal seeing my son up Alberta. His
mother hasn't been in his life since he's been six
years old. And I'm seven years old. And we moved
home in two thousand and eighteen, and now I'm remarried.
Now we got two more children, but my oldest son,

(33:24):
he goes on the he goes on the Red Harbor bus.
And I know I'm not still saying names or anything,
but he's been he's been on with a really hard
time in his life. He's in grade ten now this
year in high school, and me and my wife have
been trying our hardest to get him up every morning

(33:44):
to go to school. The last two weeks, he's been
doing that. He's been getting up, getting a shower, and
ready to do it at the door. And yesterday he
got on the bus and apparently he put his shoulder
on his girlfriend's shoulder, and because of that, the bus
driver went into the school and said they were doing
sexual lots on the bus. And now he's being told

(34:08):
he got to sit on the front seat of the
bus as well, and he can't sit around his girlfriend.
And it just this isn't the nineties any We're not
living in the nineties anymore, right, Like it's really hurting me,
Like I know how much he thinks about his girlfriend,
and I know my son very well. I know he
would not do anything sexual on the bus with his

(34:31):
girlfriend in front spit. He's a good kid, a really
good kid. Both of them are good kids. And he
promised me that he swore to me that he didn't
do anything wrong, and I believe him. And I tried
to get hold of the bus depot yesterday and I
got put off from number to the number to the number.

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I was on the phone over an hour trying to
talk to someone, and I got nothing out of it.
I called the school this morning. I got hold of
the the guidance counselor and she said she was going
to call the bus depot and try to deal with it.
But I'm not. I'm not getting anywhere with this. And
like I said, I feel like he's being treated exactly
the way I was treated.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
And.

Speaker 10 (35:14):
It's not fair.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
So what exactly was the punishment? What happened?

Speaker 4 (35:17):
The bus driver claiming that him and his girlfriend were
doing sexual acts in the back of the bus. And
I asked the lady on the bus depot yesterday, do
you have any proof of that? Like, if there's proof
of that, I chun up, that's it. I tell my
son off, and he'd have he'd have to sit in
the front, front front of the bus. But I believe

(35:38):
my son. I believe his girlfriend. They both swore to
me that nothing happened. They never even they don't.

Speaker 8 (35:44):
Kiss on the bus.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
He just put his head on her shoulder because he
was tired. Now now the bus driver saying, he got
to sit on the front seat. And for a boy
that's been through so much in his life, I moved
him home to better his life, and.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
He's not going.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
He never went to school today and that's why that's
why I called you.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Okay, So is I just want to be clear, So
is he no longer allowed on the bus or he's
in further trouble at school or what was the punishment
for what? The bus driver says?

Speaker 4 (36:16):
The schools saying they don't have anything to do with it.
But he hasn't been expelled from the boss. It's just
the bus driver saying he now has a sit in
the front seat like a kindergarten student. I had to
deal with the same thing when.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
I was younger.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
I just dealt I dealt with it because there was
no there was nothing I could do about it.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Not to be mean spirited, but is there an actual
problem both being told you have to sit in the
front of the bus.

Speaker 10 (36:45):
Well, to him, it's a bit.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
It's embarrassing for him and he wants to sit with
his girlfriend and if they're not doing anything wrong. Why
why can't he sit with his girlfriend on the bus
like she means so much to him? He lost his
mom when he said years old, I'm just trying to
do the best for my son.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Of course, well you're the dad, and of course it's
hard for me to say anything. I have no earthly
idea what went on on the bus. I don't know neither.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
And that's the problem. They don't have any proof of it, right, Yeah,
it's just their word against his word, and they got
I'm not getting through to anybody. I'm just wondering if
anybody could call me.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
There is a position at the Department of Education what
it used to be the school district that deals specifically
with school bus issues, So there's a there's a person
in charge of things like this. I don't know if
they have the authority to get involved at this level,
but there are people that deal with nothing but school
bussing issues at the Department of Education.

Speaker 10 (37:48):
Okay, the guy I.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Couldn't get hold of anybody yesterday. I mean, I'm trying
my hairs to do words right for my son, and
it means everything you need that he gets to the education.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Everything of course, and Hopefully this doesn't compromise any opportunities educationally.
Speaking with whatever happened or did not happen on that
school bus, you mean he.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Never got he didn't want to get up this morning,
and last two weeks he's been getting up and.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Going I'm sorry to hear that is what's happening here.
Like a couple of things, we're talking about a pilot
project to put dash cameras on the school buses to
catch people who passed the bus when the stop line
is deployed and the lights are flashing, and we should
we should catch them, we should give them the maximum fine.
We should also have more conversations about cameras on the

(38:37):
buses and human monitors, because we've heard lots of stories
of inappropriate behavior violence on school buses, so it's probably
time for a little bit more of an understanding there.
I remember there was one particular school bus that picked
up a certain group of kids when we went to
piss the tenth and one of the Great Six teachers
rode that bus every single day on their way home.

(38:57):
Just make sure that the people were reacting, we're acting
appropriately while i'm the school bus Byron, I'm sorry to
hear your trouble. Is anything else you'd like to say?

Speaker 4 (39:05):
No, No, I just I'm just tom On behalf of
my son. He doesn't know I'm time, but I had
to do this because.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
He means the world to me.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Of course he does. I hope everybody's okay.

Speaker 10 (39:18):
Yeah, we'll be all right.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
I just wanted to reach you, tip Hetty. I really
appreciate you talking to me.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
I appreciate your time. I wish you well.

Speaker 10 (39:25):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
You're welcome, Byron, Bye bye, thank you. Sorry, that was
real quick. Yeah, I mean the part of project for
a school bus dash cams to catch people passing the
stopped school bus. Let's just put that on every bus.
There's no good reason as to why not. It's not
a huge, huge cost, and whether or not there's some
seed money from the province in addition to the companies
that operate the buses. Plus how many times have we

(39:46):
heard stories about it, And it's not about Byron's call
about bad behavior on buses, whether it be physical violence
and or sexual violence or whatever's going on. I know
it's going to be difficult to have a human monitor
on every single school bus for variety reasons. When We've
talked about cameras pointed back into the bus to monitor
the bus riders. We're always told of some sort of

(40:07):
privacy concern. All right, that might have been I might
have carried a bit more weight ten, fifteen, twenty years ago.
But now everybody on the bus, maybe save kindergartener's grade
ones like I don't know what age people give their
children phones. But other than that small group, everybody on
the bus has a camera. You know, everything's being recorded.

(40:30):
Many bus rides probably make their way to TikTok or
Instagram or whatever the case may be. So anyway, we're
not talking about, you know, having cameras in dressing rooms.
We're talking about having cameras on buses. Let's get a
break in, don't go away, pluck it back to the show.
Let's go to line number one. Good morning, Liam Collier.
You're on the air.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
Hi, Patti, how are you doing to that?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I'm very well? How about you?

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Good?

Speaker 6 (40:51):
I'm the first time caller, so bear.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
With me, take your time. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
So I'm calling to talk about a website of mine
that I've created. It's called the Lush and Land three
D Lighthouse Gallery and the whole gist of it is
in the name. So what it is is it's an
interactive map essentially, So you can click on the different

(41:19):
marcros on the map and you can learn it'll give
you some of the information about some of the lighthouses
in our province and then you can click on them
and the main focus of the website is that you
get to see them in full three D.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Very cool. Just off the top by he do you
happen to know how many active operational lighthouses are in
the province at this time?

Speaker 6 (41:43):
If I think it's around one hundred and forty. So
I got my work cutout for me. So what I'm
doing right now is I'm going from so west. As
a rule of thumb, there are some exceptions to that,
but the first one I've done so far am first,
and then after that I have about I have seven

(42:04):
completed right now. I've only just started this a week ago,
so it will take some time. But off the top
of my head, I have ford An first Cape Spear,
both of them, because what there is two structures left there.
I have Harvard Gray Islands that's no longer seen, and
I have Hearts contents back around that's over by Turning

(42:26):
Gate and one I can't remember, Cape Bonavista. I just
did that one yesterday.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
It's very cool and lighthouse of course play a key
and rich part of our nautical history here. Why get
involved doing this leave at this day and age, because
for many people lighthouses may seem antiquated, somewhat a thing
of the past, even though we know they're not. Some
are active and really helpful. But why are you doing this?

Speaker 6 (42:54):
So I've always been interested in maritime history, especially in Newfoundland.
My grandfather got me into it. Actually, we used to when.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
I was young.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
He's sitting on his lap. We used to read a
book called The Lighthouse by Dudley Whitney. Okay, and that's
that really got me into the subject of lighthouses in general,
and especially growing up, like I thought whatever was on
a job with my parents in the backseat, you know,
I'd say, Dad, can we go drive by this town
and see the lights. It's a bit strange to some

(43:27):
people maybe, but to me it's something I've always been
interested in. So the idea of making this website I
headed for around a couple of years now, but it's
only recently I'm actually had the funds and the skills
to do it.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
I think it's it's brilliant what you're doing. So are
you a coder? Are you building this on your own
or you simply have the You're the brainchild of it
and someone's going to build a site for you.

Speaker 6 (43:54):
So the website is already up. Okay, I'm not trying
to get free advertising or anything, but if you want
to check it out, it's n l H three D
dot ca A, or if you go on Google, you
can type in Upenland three D lighthouse or lighthouse up
and Land three D, any combination of those and it
should be the first result that comes up.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Sounds about right essentially what I use.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
I have two programs that I use to build the
lighthouses themselves. So one of them is Blender that is
a three D modeling software which is free, and then
the other one is called Substance tank there which is
a paid program, but I use that to texture the
lighthouses so they're in color and three D modeling. I
guess you could say it's an art. It's not the

(44:41):
same as like say a traditional canvas, but it is
certainly something that takes skill to get the hangos.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
I would imagine I'm technologically useless, so I'd be impressed
by it, no question. I am going to have a
quick peruse of the website. Do you need any catch
from the listeners about one lighthouse or another or you
simply just give us the heads up that this is
something people can have a click on.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
Yeah, that was sentially just a bit, So I just
want to spread the word that it's out there and
see if anyone wants to support me. And I'll just
briefly go over the product side of it. Essentially, if
you have a three D printer, or if you know
someone who has a three D printer, or you have
access to one wherever, you can go on the store

(45:29):
section of the website and buy the three D model
itself or the lighthouse and you can get it. You
can print it off and have it as a little
trinket or you know, like a little decorative piece as
you want it.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
I think it's cool and I think it's a worthwhile endeavor.
I appreciate your time, Leam anything else you want to
talk about this morning, you know that. Good to have
you on the show. Good luck with the project, all right,
thank you. You're welcome bye bye. Very quickly forgot to
mention it off the top. Today he's a tenth anniversary
of the passing of Ron Hines. Of course, a man

(46:03):
known as the Man of a Thousand Songs. He's a
big deal in the music community here to say the
very least, so, of course, it was a sad loss.
I knew Ron a little bit. It's also reminds me
of the fact that the day after when we woke
up and learned that Ron had passed at the age
of sixty four, that very day we had a call
from another pretty well known musician on this program, Kenny Rogers.

(46:24):
He was here in town on his way to Corner
Book as a matter of fact, for a concert, and
he said, you know, sorry to hear by your friend.
He also went on to say that he knew who
Ron Hines was, which is also pretty cool. There's a
nice story on the CBC's website this morning about it.
They go through their own cherry picked list of what
they consider to be the ten greatest Ron Hains till

(46:44):
just very quickly through them, leaving on an evening tide.
A good dog is lost, godspeed, Sorry, Laurie gone to Canada.
Saint John's Waltz, which I really do appreciate. Atlantic Blue,
of course about the Ocean Ranger disaster, A Man of
a thousand songs in the top two Sonny's Dream and
No Change in Me. No Change in Me is hauntingly
beautiful song Sonny's Dream. That song has been I think

(47:07):
this for as old as nineteen seventy six. That song
they say has been covered by over two hundred different artists,
including Emmy Lou Harris, who was here as the key
performer at the folkfest. Was it last year the year
before anyway? So the passing around Haines is ten years
ago today. Let's get a break in for the newscast.
We'll we come back tons of time for you. The
topic entirely up to you. Don't go away, Welcome back

(47:29):
to the program. Let's see here. Alan Clark is a
Professor Emeritus and Integrated Studies at Utah Valley University, an
adjunct professor of political science Atamorray University of Newfoutland, and
joins US Online number two. Doctor Clark, you're on the air.

Speaker 9 (47:42):
Thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Happy to have you on our exchange emails with Lorraine
Michael about the issue regarding being detained at the border,
tell us what happened.

Speaker 9 (47:51):
Well, that was a Palestine tribunal on Canadian responsibility formed
up and a number of scholars from all over the
world were to come into Canada and speak. And one
of the most prestigious and important of those scholars, Richard Falk,
Professor Emeritus at Princeton, who, as it happens, is Jewish

(48:15):
and is at ninety five years old and in a
wheelchair with his elderly wife, who's also important international legal scholar,
were detained for what looks to be a pretext and
claimed to be a national security threat to Canada. The
questions they asked were almost entirely political, why they were coming,

(48:37):
what his views on the Palestinian resistance for the views
on Israeli's genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes in Gaza.
So it looks very much like US style intimidation of

(48:57):
free speech, which of course implicates our Charter rights to
free speech. And more importantly, it seems to be of
a larger pattern of intimidation of people who are speaking
out on the Gaza genocide. And we suspect, we don't

(49:19):
know for sure, but we suspect strongly that Israeli NGOs
non governmental organizations may well be part of the pressure.
It's hard to imagine that this would have been generated
solely within the Canadian Board of Services. So if this

(49:40):
is true, then it becomes a part of a much
wider transnational repression of both Canadian and international citizens around
the world, which is a threat to free speech to
the media such as yourself, your ability to report, our
ability in the academy to teach and to do research,
and to people to speak out. And it's not just

(50:03):
Richard Falk's right to speech, but our and his wife,
Hello Elver's right to speak, but also our right to
hear they speak. That's a free speech issue as well.
So there are larger issues of freedom and speech and
debate that a company that's issue may seem like a

(50:25):
small thing for someone to be held for four hours
like that until you realize it's part of a larger
intimidation and very redolent of what we see going on
in the United States right now, and something we really
hope we can avoid here in Canada.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I certainly hope so, so insofar as being detained goes,
how long were they detained, and so where was this
at an airport?

Speaker 9 (50:48):
I assume, yeah, they were at Pearson and late at night.
He had had to fly in from San Diego, so
who had gotten up at three am? So he gets
in his wheelchair and wheeled into the airport and he's
held by a fairly young security officer who asked him
a number of questions, what about the tribunal on Canadian

(51:09):
with complicity with Israeli genocides and his views on Palestine
and so forth. So the notion that he's being held
as a national security cat seems almost laughable. I mean,
a ninety five year old man coming him on his
birthday in a wheelchair, and famed international scholar who's clearly

(51:35):
coming in to share his expertise with us. It's just
vegas the imagination that they could even come up with
the notion that he's a security he or his wife
or security threats to Canada. After four hours, they did
let them go. They missed their flight. I gather and
we're late getting in on the flight to Ottawa. So

(51:59):
that basically is what happened.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
And how long were they detained? Four hours? Four hours?
The whole concept of threat to national security has been
so overused and abused by a variety of countries in
the last number of years, it's extraordinary to me. So,
whether it be people's own individual thoughts about one conflict
or another, what has been adjudicated as crimes against humanity

(52:26):
and war crimes not because I say so, The International
Criminal Court has said as much. So I just don't
know where we go from here. You know, people at
the same time where they ring the bell of freedom
and they ring the bell of freedom of speech in
the United States, and the same bell wrong here with
freedom of expression. But it seems more and more it's
only free expression or free speech that you agree with
that you accept.

Speaker 9 (52:48):
Yeah, that's what is happening across the border, of course,
is we both know. If you read any American newspapers
you can see more and more of that. Free speech
in the US is becoming not just endangered, but critically ill.
And the extent to which that kind of notion is

(53:08):
creeping over here is scary, indeed, it really is. And
it also implicates Canada's international responsibilities and values. Canada the
good claims to value international law and so forth.

Speaker 11 (53:24):
And here we have.

Speaker 9 (53:27):
A man coming in to talk about the Israeli genocide.
And this is after an independent international commission just in
the last few weeks held that and I'll read this
quote to get it right. There is quote fully conclusive
evidence that statements made by Israeli authorities are direct evidence
of genocidal intent. It further concludes that quote the state

(53:48):
of Issuel bears responsibility will fail to prevent genocide, the
commission of genocide and the failure to punish genocide against Palestinians.
So here, Falk and Elver, we're coming in to talk
about Canada's complicity with this genocide. And so what we're
talking about is the attempt to continue the genocidal genocide

(54:13):
denial by Canada and to stop squelch any speech that
talks about And this flies in the face of what
we now seem to be fully conclusive evidence, not just
reasonable grounds the way the International Code of Justice put it,
but fully compulsive evidence. So this is to me quite startling.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, and once again we're very much in the world
of cherry picking what we will accept as acceptable speech.
I mean, we all understand we can recognize when it
becomes hateful speech and targeted speech that can result in violence.
But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about,
by and large, academic report on things that are actually
happening right in front of our very eyes. So it's

(54:59):
amazing stuff. And I you know, I'm going to go
back to what has been a pretty famous quote. I
disapprove of what you say, but I'll defend the truth.
I defend to the death you're right to say. Even
though I don't think that was actually ever said by Vaultaire,
it's been largely attributed to him. I believe it comes
from a book by someone what's her name, Evelyn Beachers Hall.
Maybe anyway, that's apropos of nothing anything else you'd like

(55:20):
to say, Well, we have this morning, Alan, Well, I just.

Speaker 9 (55:27):
Want to point out the one thing that I haven't
said is that what Falt would have done and presumably
when he did get here to do, is to point
out that Canada is in grave danger of its obligations
under the Genocide Convention, because the Genocide Convention requires that

(55:48):
once you're aware of the genocidal intent of people in
another country and you can do something about it, that
you have to. It's a requirement that you do what
you can to prevent genis. It doesn't have to be
shown that you would have been successful. It doesn't. All
it has to be shown is that you that you

(56:09):
might have succeeded, that you had some influence to affect
the result. Secondly, it also seems to be very dangerous
that Canada is becoming very close to being complicit in
that genocide, because all you don't have to share the
perpetrator's intent, all you have to do is to know

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of it. And so we now have direct evidence of
genocidal intent. We know it's happening, we know the foreseeable consequences,
and so Canada is in the position of possibly, and
I would say probably, being complicit with genocide. And the
final thing I'd like to say is that this is
the same thing the US did in the Rwandan genocide,

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and years later President Clinton had to apologize for that
because they didn't do something. Canada can avoid that mistake.
We need to listen to people like Richard fall Helper
so we can avoid the American mistakes, both of the
border and also with respect to to genocide. We need
to bring our own values in line with international law

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and values in line with ours policy.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
I appreciate making time thank you, sir.

Speaker 9 (57:19):
Thank you very much for hearing me. I appreciate it
very much.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
No problem, bye bye. And people will get offended by
references of genocide or what have you, and look at
conversations welcome here on the program. But some of the
very direct quotes from members of the israelianess set and
of course the IDEF leadership have said it pretty much
to the quiet parts out loud, So I don't know

(57:43):
if we're really in the same place any further. And
you know, okay, just a little different conversation. So I
was asking, you know, what the Hachi Hachi double hockey
stakes is Mark Carney doing in the United Arab Emirates. Well,
I suppose with all the things that they've been kicking
around at the federal level and major projects, what have you,
access to the capital is going to be pretty big.

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So the key focused areas we're told as per the
PMO is areas regarding energy, infrastructure, agriculture, artificial intelligence, and
I suppose it's probably much more on. But then, you know,
any reference to doing business with some as some people
might refer to with some unsavory partners, whether it be
the Qataris or the Saudis or the UAE China, which

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of course many people we talk about maybe problems that
are em and eight from the south of the border,
when of course the influence of the Chinese which is
very real and well understood in this country, and Russia,
which is well understood in this country. You know, all
part of those large conversations and of course some of
those big international stories. If they're not what you'd like
to talk about or hear about on the show, all
you have to do is join us, and you can

(58:48):
do it right after this. Don't go away, welcome back
to the program. I can ask every now and then
why we're so focusing on things that might be considered
as bad or doomy or gloomy or what have you,
as opposed to some other positive things that are happening. Hey,
nobody more pleased to talk about positive things than me.
But of course you sharing your positive experience is a
lot different than me trying to share mine or other

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good news stories, so to speak. And also every now
and then, if you try to mention something positive that's happened,
all of a sudden you're a boot liquor or something.
It's all really quite silly. In juvenile But a couple
of things that have happened in the very recent past
here that I think could be considered some good economic news,
because there's plenty bad. We see Stilantis and all their
jobs moving from Canada into the United States and other

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examples like that. But just very recently Sweden's SAAB SAAB
they offer to build the entire Global Eye military surveillance
plan in Canada, something that's been worked on for quite
a long time, and I think it precedes Mark Carney,
to be honest with you. The Germans have just said
they're going to appurchase a billion dollars worth a Canadian
combat management system that came from the Trade Minister just

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a couple of days ago. So yes, every now and then,
there are a couple of good things that happened. Also,
I heard Premier Wakem on with I'm not so sure
who from the VOCM News or the Yosem Warning Show
talk about conversations with the Prime Minister. You know, Number
one is the concern regarding Beata in order and the
possibility for that to be a nation building project, even
though I don't know how that fits in that envelope necessarily.

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But then he goes on to mention the Atlantic Fisheries Fund.
It's worth a little historical context when we talk about
that money. There was a pretty expensive press conference at
the rooms, and I believe the choir from Saint Bond's
was there, and it was just a big deal. It
was the announcement of the Newfoundland and Labrador Fisheries Fund,
and at the time, Kathy Dunderdale was the premier, and

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the announcement was four hundred million dollars worth, two hundred
and eighty million dollars from the federal government one hundred
and twenty million dollars from the provincial government to fuel
modernizing and technological or innovative expansion inside the fishery. It
went away, and it went away for the silliest reason
of all time. At the time, the federal government we're
asking us in this province to do away with our

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minimum processing requirements. And we did, and that was all
in an effort to satisfy the final signing of zeda
free trade agreement with the European Union. That happened and
then loan behold, we were told that the Fisheries Fund
will no longer be a thing. Why because this province
we were told had not done a financial or economic
evaluation to come up with the amount of money lost

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because of doing away with the minimum processing requirements. You know,
it might have been nice if that was one of
the caveats that the province was told, so we could
complete a pretty fundamental exercise to have that number. So
that went away. Then it came back in a different
form as the Atlantic Fisheries Fund. It was once again
four hundred million dollars, but it will be spread around
the entirety of Atlantic Canada, vastly different than four hundred

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million dollars simply for this province and the modernizing. And
it's not just the inshore. The offshore was actually available.
It was an option for the offshore to apply for
some of those support dollars too. The biggest problem now
that we have that particular fund is that it expires
in March. The money will be gone and in the
most recent federal budget no mention of restocking or restockpiling.

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The money's in the Fisheries Fund. It has been pretty helpful.

Speaker 12 (01:02:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Some of it may seem like small potatoes for investments
for insulated tubs or some modernized dragging gear or that's
not the right word, but it is an important question
as to whether or not that would be refilled and
if it is, it's going to have to be monies
outside of what's already earmarked in the budget, which can
be a problem. So pretty fair question for the Premier

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to ask. Obviously, the FFAW and others are wondering, and
I would imagine we can include offshore fisheries companies in
that conversation as well as to well what's next for
that particular fund in addition to that, And I don't
know if the Premier had taken the opportunity or had
time to ask the Prime Minister about what was some
pretty vague comments on the campaign trail, albeit important ones.

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People talk about the structure of the Department of Fisheries
and Oceans, whether or not it's working as it should
for the inshore harvesers in particular in this province. The
Prime Minister said, you know, maybe some restructuring at THEA
would be part of the conversation into the future. Not
so sure exactly what he means or what he's referring to,
but I think that's absolutely worthwhile. Deeper conversations between the

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Prime Minister and yes, the Premier and or a Minister
O Driscoll or whoever the case may be, or the
union leadership, because that's one of the bugaboos that has
been part of the annual fisheries concerns year over year
over year over year. Now it would be nice to
have some specifics because the campaign trail is a great
place to make promises or pledges where you don't have

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to get down to the weeds because things are complicated.
But campaign promises are very straightforward and fundamental and maybe
not even manageable in the big scheme of things. But
that's what the Prime Minister said on the campaign trail,
so there you go. Also, someone said they just barely
heard a comment that made about winter maintenance operations. Again,

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a promise made during the campaign by the Progressive Conservatives
was to expand twenty four to seven winter maintenance operations,
not to be part of the province, but to expand
to some areas. What they are, I don't know. I
guess we'll find out a lot more at eleven am
out at the fox Trap Depot, where Minister of Transportation
Barry Patton is going to make an announcement about twenty

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four to seven with what they call winter maintenance operations,
which is basically ice control and snow clearing, going to
be very welcome for by a lot of people because
not everybody has a very predictable daylight schedule where that's
the only time you're going to be on the road
between seven am and whenever it gets start four point
thirty or five o'clock in the afternoon. Because some people

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have to travel for emergencies. Some people just have unpredictable
schedules where they might be forced to drive at night.
And I think, like most of the motoring public, I
much prefer to drive in the daylight versus the nighttime,
especially on the highway, but some people have no choice.
So if you got to be at work at six
o'clock in the morning and you have an hour and
a half commute, you have no choice. So to know
that the plow and the salt truck would be out

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in front of you, so that you know, give you
a better, safer opportunity to get to work on scale,
I think it's going to be a very welcome announcement here.
What we don't know is what that might mean inso
far as money goes. We can announce it, and that's helpful.
And look, I don't regard to people a bit of
twenty four to seven snow clearing. I'll be happy enough
if I have to be on the highway dusk or

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dark to know that the roads are still being maintained
and the salt is being put down. But it also
does come with a question about how much is that
going to cost and how many more jobs might have
to be added to offer a twenty four to seven
Also just how many depots are actually going to see
that additional benefit for folks and residents of the area.
So I don't know how many details we're going to

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get that at eleven o'clock, but I think pretty safe
to say that's going to be very welcome news on
that front. Which I also added to that part of
the conversation this morning is if we're talking about safety
on the provinces highways and byways, it would be nice
to know if there is any any plans by this
PC government to talk about public safety and cell phone coverage.

(01:05:57):
There's been some pilot projects, one down the Burgeo high
last year that was more boosting signal and very small
parts of that particular highway but and I know governments
can't go out alone, and nor should governments be solely
responsible for expanding things like transmission towers, because even spots
that had pretty reliable coverage in years past, it's not
anymore with the advent of five G more and more

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customers using the same transmission capacity. So it'd be nice
to know if they also have a plan in that
envelope for once again to bolster public safety on the highways.
All right, let's get a break in when we come back,
plenty of time for you. Don't go away. Welcome back
to the show. Let's go to lane number three. Good morning,
Patty mcneilie around the air. Good morning, Utty, Good morning

(01:06:41):
to you. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (01:06:43):
Thank you, thanks for coming, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Happy to have you on. Let's talk about Chad's medical journey.
What's happening well, Patty.

Speaker 10 (01:06:50):
It's any great news. On the fundraising side, I was
aware of what was going on with young Chad April
fourteenth passed and I had other issues I had to
deal with before I could help him. And once I
get back to Pasadena, I seeing that he was in
desperate need of some funds. He has a very rare

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lung disorder disease. It's half one anti something or other deficiency,
a rare genetic disease. He's thirty eight, single dad with
a five year old boy, lives in here in Pasadena,
a good young kid. And I said, you know, we
got to do something about this. And I took a

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message to the night's columbus. I am a grand Knight,
and I asked him could I propose a fundraising for him?
The council was in total agreement, so we sponsored him
on the draw that they have done twice before, and
it sells out in less than six weeks. And we're
doing the same thing right now. We're doing a major
fundraiser where there's only twelve hundred tickets picked or to buy,

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and what they cost her fifty dollars works out to
is every Tuesday at our hall, somebody has a chance
to win five hundred dollars and if you win, your
ticket goes back in the drum. It never dies, it
stays in for all fifty two draws. Plus we've added
three bonus draws, one on Mother's Day for an extra
five hundred, one on Faursday for an extra five hundred

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and then another one on the first week of December
four thousand dollars, which gives us fifty five draws in all.
So basically what you're doing is buying this ticket and
paying ninety cents a week to play and so far.
I made an announcement last night at our Bingo local
Bingo because we were strongly supported by our Bingo people

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as well as people in the community, and we have
already surpassed over six hundred and Sumad tickets with over
thirty thousand dollars raised. The end result is we'll raise
sixty thousand dollars. Thirty two thousand will go into a
medical fund handled by a controller on his needs that
he'll need while he's in Ontario. He has to leave here.

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As a matter of fact, he went to get on
the boat on Monday, but it was canceled because the wind,
and now he's on his way to Toronto, where he'll
have to stay until he waits for a donor for
a double lung transplant. It's a scary time for him,
scary time for the young boy and the family, and

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we're leaving some financial pressures will certainly help for him,
and that's that's why we decided.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
To do it.

Speaker 10 (01:09:28):
So the total prize PAYO package will be twenty eight
thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
You know, his.

Speaker 10 (01:09:34):
Portion of the draw will be thirty two thousand dollars.
And I have no doubt whatsoever that that's going to
be sold out in less than six weeks. And normally
the draw does less than six weeks. But right now
I think it's even going to be faster because we
have tickets to distributed to four other sellers in Saint
John's Gander on the West coast, and there's only source

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of seven sellers that are doing it, and we have
the one or two people that will take fifteen or
twenty tickets. Right now, the money is rolling in, the
tickets are coming, and people are constantly calling my house
or the other sellers to purchase a ticket and support
this young man. If people are not into buying tickets,
then there are some that are like that. We also

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are getting donations received, which will we will can't We
will continue to accept and give to the controller of
his account.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
I think that's great what you're doing. And a couple
of very quick questions, what's Chad's medical status? At this point?
I know he's awaiting a double lung transplant. But is
he stable or how dire are things?

Speaker 10 (01:10:40):
Well, it's star Patty. He's on oxygen coming in at
nineteen percent, which is not very much. He's moving slow,
but health lies. He's a perfect candidate for it. He's
thirty eight years old, strong young man, but as you
can well imagine, and it's taking this toll. Not only

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is it taking this toll physically on him, but obviously
mentally too. And his biggest concern, of course, is his
young son Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Well, that's what I meant to say, Jack, because I
saw the email of my apologies. So for folks who
I don't know how to ask this question, there's unfortunately
so many people out there who would be willing to
take advantage of something like this. So they'll see one
of these tickets, they'll take a picture, they'll go print
them off. Do you want to share?

Speaker 12 (01:11:27):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
What the is? It registired with service and else so
it has a lottery number and stuff like that, so
we can protect you with the fundraiser and the buyers.

Speaker 10 (01:11:35):
Yes, Patty, I'm all all about in the nights of Columbus.
We have our own lottery license applications. It's all gone
through lottery license with the rules and regulations. How we've
done our tickets is we've done it under the lottery
license rules, and we also have a ledger in place.
Anybody that we don't know or we find suspicious, we

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don't address them, nor do we even accept them. You
know yourself, you're getting phone calls all the time. But
I'll be honest with you. Out of the three hundred
and some tickets I've sold myself, personally, I've had no
fraudsters in mine and we always keep in mind of that,
and so are my sellers. They were all trained by
me to say, this is what you got to look for.

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There's no tickets out there that you can copy. This
in the ticket itself. The Knights of Columbus logo is
embedded in the ticket. Okay, the ticket numbers are there's
going to be very difficult too. And our tickets are
printed by a commercial printer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Well, I'm glad, and there's a reason I asked that
because unfortunately, and this has happened to people around me
doing some fundraising, all of a sudden they're made aware
of a ticket that looked like was tickets they were selling.
Turned out we was just someone jumped on the bandwagon
and tried to milk some money out of some unsuspecting
people who are just trying to help. So I really
appreciate the fact that you've gone that extra mile to
im sure the tickets are verifiable. And of course the

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Knights of Columbus would have a standard lottery license with service.
Keep us in the loop, pair anything that you're looking
for from the listeners other than buying a ticket, like
do you need any more sellers or whatever the case
we be Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 10 (01:13:08):
We don't need no more sellers. I kept, I kept,
I kept the team tight, I kept the control of
the tickets. In fact, Patty, I said, right now, I've
asked one of the sellers in Saint John's to return
one hundred tickets to myself because we ran out on
the West coast.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Okay, it's a good problem to have.

Speaker 10 (01:13:27):
It's it's an excellent problem to have, but it's you know,
and the lady in Saint John's working on that. I
think the people we are contacting the most is people
that we know within our you know, can I when
I sat down with my group, I said, you know,
go open up your phone and go to your contacts,
open up your your your messenger, and the people that

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you trust, the people that are kind hearted or or
or or sympathetic towards causes like this. If you send
that out and do it in the right manner, they
will come back and never respond tenfold and added, that's
exactly what's happening here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
I really pleased to hear Patty, good on you and
the Night's Columbus and everyone else working towards trying to
support this medical journey and fingers crossed for a donor
to be found sooner than later.

Speaker 10 (01:14:11):
Well, the beauty about it is he's met a couple
of people in Newfoundland, you know, like we don't we
don't hear all these stories. But he's met a couple
of people in Newfounland have had the double lung transplant
and they are being successful. And that's that's brought his
spirits up. And he's also met someone that he's going
to be seeing in Ontario that's just gone through it.

(01:14:33):
So it's a he knows it's a scary process. But
I sat down want him and had a quick chat
with him, you know, And here's how you have to
think everything is going to be all right. You're healthy.
Let's go get her done, because the not getting it
done is not very nice.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
At the end of the day, I appreciate this, Patty,
keep up the good work. Thanks for a time.

Speaker 10 (01:14:55):
Thank you, Patty, and thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Happy to do it. Take care raod bye. Yeah, and
I purposefully ask about, you know, how people can verify
whether or not they're buying the real thing ticket And
you know, unfortunately that's where my head is these days,
is it's becoming more and more difficult to have faith
in what you see, what you read, or what you hear.
And so it's good to embed the KFC logo right

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there in the ticket. That's going to be hard to
mimic if you're not a professional printer, but it, you know,
brings me to the whole concept of organ and tissue donation.
For a while there, I used to bring it up
relatively frequently because it's an important conversation. How many people
in this country would be more than willing to be
a donor, but they haven't gone that extra mile. You

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used to be a check the box on your driver's license.
It's not that anymore. In this province. You have to
go through MCP to make them know that you are
willing and wanting to be an organ donor, organ and
tissue donor. And then really importantly is to speak with
your family to make your intentions known. So those two
steps are required. If you haven't done it and you're
willing to be a donor, please consider doing it today.

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There's also a couple of approaches that governments can take.
In parts of Ontario, there was attitude income tax filing
was a box just like you check a box that
says that you want to get your GST rebate. There
was another box that set are you willing to be
an organized tissue donor? And lo and behold after one
year of tax filings there was somewhere close to two

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million additional donors put on the list. So there are
simple things that governments can do. Then you extended one
more step and I know we're not prepared in this
province to take this step, but it is a conversation
about you know, at this moment in time, you have
to make your wishes known that you'd like to be
a donor, as opposed to the converse would be your
a donor automatically. And if you don't want to be one.

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Then you have to take that extra step to take
yourself off the list, whether it be just a personal
choice or possibly some religious concern or whatever it is.
But if everyone was automatically a donor upon reaching the
age of majority, say nineteen years of age, and if
you don't want to be one, then you have to
do something about it. That would probably be a better idea.
And I know we're not set up in this province
to accommodate that particular change in thought or change in tune,

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but it's also something to consider. But there you go.
If you're not a donor at this moment of time
and you'd like to be one, contact MCP make your
wishes known. Once that's completed, you sit down with your
family and once again confirm with them that you were
watching upon your death to be an organ or tissue donor. Okay,
so apparently the Mercy Beacon thing is going on right now.
It's not on my phone, but apparently it's on Dave Williams.

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Let's take a break. When we come back, plenty of
show for you. Welcome back to the show. Let's go
to line number one. Beaten, you're on the air.

Speaker 8 (01:17:34):
Yes, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Good morning, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (01:17:40):
Yeah, I want to throw some thank yous to those
who supported me over the loss of my wife the
three weeks after the common so there's quite a lot
of thank you. I want to try the name too
many because I know I'm going to leave out some.
But first of all, I'd like to throw the big
thank you to Trace the King at the cancer clinic

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in Gander Hospital. If it wasn't for her, we wouldn't
have had things done that that was done, that we
fought the true to get trying to get done. And
for the nurses that they capt there clinic in Gander,
and the nurses at the clinic in currently Layer that
supported us, and all of those that who sent cards

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and condoss I want to take them all. It's a
difficult time right now for me to speak about this,
but there's the only way that I can thank them.
There's no other way that I can do. So I'm
glad that they were there for me, my family and
my wife's family. So there's been a rough for a

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would the rough last couple of weeks, three weeks before
she passed. She did a lot of sulfurn, but thank
god she's out of her suffering now and she's wristening gomfully.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
First off, mikendoles Is, I'm sorry for your lost peting.

Speaker 8 (01:18:57):
Thank you very much, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
It's an interesting way to get to the stage of
grief that you're at, isn't it, Because like, for instance,
when our dad passed away, he was in some pretty
serious pain leading up to his death. And it's funny
how you can be sad and mourned the loss, but
all at the same time be relieved that the pain
is over.

Speaker 8 (01:19:15):
Yeah, definitely, definitely yell because I know when I stood
at her bedside when she when she drew her last breath,
like she's just like that. I was lifted off the
floor like the like the burden was lifted, like you know,
I knew, didn't she was out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Of her suffering, right, I understand entirely. How old was
your wife beaten?

Speaker 8 (01:19:33):
She was only sixty two years old, and what was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Wrong with her? If you don't mind me asking she
was she She was.

Speaker 8 (01:19:41):
Diagnosed to a stage four cancer back in twenty twenty
one in the Hubbard Bow, wasn't that? And then the
cancer went from that when he let doing on four
years from that right to her body, so.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
The scourge that is cancer. How long were you married?

Speaker 8 (01:19:58):
We've been married, we together sixteen years, we've married fifteen okay.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
And where are you from or where was she from?

Speaker 8 (01:20:06):
I'm from raginally from Dover. She from Bunyan's Golve. Now
our fifteen there aniversity. We celebrated in the hospital in Cainvielle.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Oh my, well, I'm glad to hear that there were
people there to support you and your wife on the
stretch towards her unfortunate s death a few weeks ago.
So again, my most sincere condolences to you, Beaten.

Speaker 8 (01:20:28):
Yeah, yeah, I want to take the Pritchet's funeral home again.
I'll do as well for the good job that they
did for us for me, so, I don't know, I
can't express it enough, you know, do let people know
you know how much I thank you for it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
And I'm sure they appreciate your con words here this morning,
and we hopefully will all be lucky enough to have
those types of supports around us when we need them
the most. And for those of you who were there
for Beaten and his wife and families. Of course, Beating
appreciates it, and so do I and I appreciate your
time this morning. Would you like to talk about anything else?

Speaker 8 (01:21:08):
Yes, I want to go back to the moose Lacenska.
Apparently I'm going to be with a with fifty three
fifty five dollars. I don't think that I want to
pay fifty dollars for a letter from a doctor just
to say you're getting back fifty five. I tried reaching
out to like Prott, and I can't seem to get

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up to him and lift them a few lifting the
email from me call me back, but he didn't do it.

Speaker 13 (01:21:36):
And I know.

Speaker 8 (01:21:39):
Tony Wakem has listening. So Tony, if you're listening, and
give me a call and try to see what we
can do with this, not only for me, but for everybody.
A lot of people out there like me get the
same problem. So I try to get things fixed, you know,
I mean Patty if if he can given loose like
to do a church or any organization, and then someone

(01:22:00):
go and Kyoto moves for them, Well, can't let me
go on my wife's moves.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Yeah, And just so people know what we're talking about
here is Betan had paid for the moose license that
eventually could not use. And if you cannot use it
through no fault to your own, you cannot use it
because of sickness, then it should be fundamental enough to
get that money back and just put the license back
in the pool that someone else can get it and
use it.

Speaker 8 (01:22:22):
Exactly exactly my mind. Exactly. If not, just let me
go and you know, go and kill it and put
a bit of a bit of meat in my fridge.
I mean, my wife is gone, but I say, you know,
I say, got to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
I still got to live, absolutely, And so this is
one of those silly ones where you know, that's the
tangle of government bureaucracy, right, I mean, because who's going
to you know, want to play footloots and fancy free
with this if you had a license and can't use it.
I mean, people aren't going to make this an annual
trick to play on government. Why would they. It's aggravating
at the best of times to deal with the government,

(01:22:55):
and when we're talking about betans particular and personal issue here,
it should be funded. Here's your money back, and we'll
take the license back the end.

Speaker 8 (01:23:03):
Yeah, yes exactly. I mean, like I said, I'm not
going to What chance do it make for me to
go work and pay a doctor fifty dollars for the
tailor the farm for me to send back. It didn't
to get fifty if it don't make chance.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Right of course not And who's going to tell that
lie anyway? Right, Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 8 (01:23:21):
Fair enough, good enough, Thank you very much, Paddy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
You take good care of yourself.

Speaker 8 (01:23:26):
Beaten Hi, well, sir, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
You're welcome. Bye bye. Yeah. I mean it's stuff like that.
That's just you know, it's already difficult enough to deal
with whatever government department you know on some real big,
complex issues, and some things might take time as you
get passed by, passed along to one person or another,
got we put on hold, press two, press three, then

(01:23:49):
eventually get nowhere. But Beatan's issue was pretty fundamental. Got
the license, paid his fifty five dollars and can't use
the license because of sickness and consequently now death. Should
it not be a very straightforward process to simply say
to the government, I can't use it, here's your license back,
going to have my money back, you would think, But

(01:24:11):
like most things, you'd think that some things could be
straightforward and simple with government. But it's not generally the case.
All right quick one asked what was the rationale offered
by Justice Power as to why he chose to take
on a judicial recount in the voting district Tops of
Paradise but not the other two, given the fact that
Tops of Paradise had the biggest difference in votes, which

(01:24:31):
is one hundred and two, that's what the incvernment Paul
did at this moment, has one over former Paradise Mayor
Dan Bobbin. It's a good question. The other two were
difference of votes was eighteen and the other one was
sixty four, I think. And the problem with the other
two is that there weren't any foreign or signed affid
David's saying that anybody saw anything improper handle there. Well,

(01:24:52):
at least that's Justice Powers interpretation of it. You know,
one person who came forward said they were scrutineer and
had seen irregularities. But the problem was that person testifying
on behalf of the Liberal candidates didn't see the irregularities
in the two specific districts, didn't see that out and
lose por twilling Gate didn't seem placential. West Pelview made
references saw it in Lake Melville or torn Gat Mountains

(01:25:13):
or what have you. So it's a pretty stretchy inference
to say, well, if I saw it there, then I
should believe or it happened here, which that's not how
things work. So that's the issue here in Tops of Paradise.
Justice Power will have the final say in this traditional recount.
So it started, yes, today, should be wrapped up today
or tomorrow we'll find out who's going to be the

(01:25:34):
minister or part of me the member sworn in to
represent the folks out there. So the basics are, they're
not just looking at as to whether or not someone
put an actual X in the circle. What Justice Flower
is going to do is consider whether or not a
voter's intention is clear and rejected if it's spoiled or
marked in a way that identifies the voter who cast it.

(01:25:56):
So I don't know, and again this not to be
each year means spirited. But it's pretty simple to fill
out a ballot. You know, there's even instructions right there.
So let's see if we can't do a little bit
better in the future, because when people think about the
integrity election results, it's becoming trickier and trickier by the day.
I mean, you just think about it. We had a

(01:26:17):
foreign inquiry into impact on elections. But at the exact
same time you look out and tearing over the peninsulas,
there was hundreds of ballots that were spoiled. So you know,
again it's not for me to tell you what to do.
But when you take the time and you've considered the candidates,
or maybe not, maybe you're just voting for the party,
and so be it. When you go and you get

(01:26:37):
behind that screen or a piece of cardboard cutout to
cast your ballot, it's pretty fundamental and we could avoid
some of these time consuming exercises, even though I think
it has merit. If people want to make sure that
things are above board, then this is available to them.
And someone's also asking me, you know who's paying for this.
The applicant pays for it. So in this case, mister Bobbin,

(01:27:00):
and I don't know if he's going to be aided
financially in any form or fashion by the party being
the Liberals, But yeah, it's a worthwhile exercise and it
doesn't destroy democracy. I would think it's the exact opposite.
I think it strengthens democracy to know that that is
an available next stage quote unquote appeal to make sure
we got it right. Let's check in on the Twitter box.
We're VOSM Opologia. Note they do email addresses open LANATFOSM

(01:27:23):
dot com. Oh one from Jenny, our friend of ours
in Nottawa going on two years waiting for heart transplant.
His care requires him to stay in the area and
his family travels back and forth. They have a young
daughter or too, so we do know. It's the emotional
and mental strain when you get a diagnosis such as
young jackass. Add to it the complications of money. So

(01:27:45):
good on. The folks of the Knights of Columbus got
a few emails people saying I just heard a bit
of the conversation. The contact man's name is Patty McNeil.
That's who called us. He's a member of the Knights
of Columbus out in Pasadena. So if you'd like to
find out who a Saint John seller the tickets are,
or whether or not you can make it simply a donation,
you contact the Knights of Columbus in Pasadena and they
should be able to start to out either with mister

(01:28:07):
McNeil himself or someone else who has the information at
the tip of their tongue or the tip of their fingers.
Let's see here, let's get break in for the news.
Don't go away.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
You were listening to a rebroadcast VOCM open line. Have
your say by calling seven oh nine two seven three
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Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Clocome back to the show. Plenty of people ask me
where they get a ticket to help on Chad's medical journey.
So Patty McNeil is a member of the Knights of
Columbus in Pasadena. But he also just sent me along
a specific number that you can call if you want
to organize getting a ticket. So seven zero nine six
eight six two three seven to two. So that's Patty
at seven oh nine six eight six two three seven two.

(01:28:57):
Let's keep your owing here line number two. Reds. You're
on the airline number two.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Sorry about that, Patty getting the cop ofeator. Buddy, Sorry, Patty,
how are you doing?

Speaker 13 (01:29:10):
My friends?

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
That's kind? How about you re oh good, buddy good?

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Anyway, Patty, I get the same issue. Now got a
love beaten? I know beaten, and my condolences go out
tall on a little that different scale, I guess regarding
just mooseslacen thing. And I'm going to tell you, Patty,
I don't know what it is about this problems with
the way we're treated. My god, it's I don't know,

(01:29:36):
explain its Honestly, the catfish for you, and I only
got one word for this recreational fish for you is discrimination.
That's the way I look at it. But getting back
to the moose license, now we even about five years.
I'm a senior, since the wife of senior. I know
spring checking. I guarantee you. But anyway, we've waited close

(01:29:57):
to five years to get a moose's license. Piney, she
did get one ball only I call the apple license.
But anyway, it's better than nothing. Now the sad part is, Patty,
my wife had been waiting almost four years for surgery
to knees bone on bone, and.

Speaker 9 (01:30:18):
I got a letter that killer moosaur.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
I also got a letter. I do a bit of
cod fishery when the sulten the recreation fishery to catch
her five fish. She do have a wheelchair in carding
her car when she goes places to access wheelchair. Now
here's the problem, Patty, My wife just went true surgery
now on her foot there a couple of last week.

(01:30:46):
She's going to be lining up for the next according
to what the tunneler next three weeks. Time is a factor,
you know, Patty. I mean at the end of the
mountain December. Now it's going to be over with. I
called Wildlife and I explained the situation tone. I told him,
my wife, you know, just can't get in the vehicle

(01:31:10):
for me to take her to Area twenty eight. And
it's almost next thing possible.

Speaker 8 (01:31:17):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Eh, But anyway, they advise me that if I go
over and kill the moose and she's not in my
prison and I'm approached by a walleife officer, I could
lose my truck, my gone, my privilege to aunt or
what have you. Plus nasty falling, you know, Patty, that

(01:31:39):
goes along with it. I mean, Patty, what is it
all about. I mean, you know we're senior citizens that
it's probably our last license, you know what I mean?

Speaker 14 (01:31:50):
He cause you want to get everyture of.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Four years if you're lucky, I mean, like, okay, so,
and I also mentioned I said, now if I can
get her in the troll.

Speaker 13 (01:32:01):
When we get to.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Wherever and we're driving down the road and I see
a moose. Can she stay in the truck? She said, no, sir,
she got to get out of the truck and be visible.
And when you if you go down the woods that
look for the moose, you got to be able to
see her. I mean, my god, Patty, I mean, I

(01:32:25):
don't want to understand what's going on with it with
new friend lately. I mean, we restricted that much. I mean,
it's got to the point where, you know, boy even
bother anymore. I mean, and like beat and said, well
you know, I mean it's a moose that I can
we can use, you know, Patty, they get her going
to beat and he had at the time is a

(01:32:45):
factor now for us, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:32:48):
So I don't know, Patty.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
I've made numerous calls to different departments, and I get
the same old story.

Speaker 14 (01:32:56):
Sorry, there's nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
We can do about it. If you don't like you
suck it up, you know, in that kind of a way.
So I don't know, Patty, much like give me your
I wish you would have been to serve the wildly
for what they ever. So I'll tell you it's unbelievable, Patty,
What you.

Speaker 9 (01:33:14):
Got to go through?

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Yeah, I mean I think it gets a little bit
silly when we talk about the folk. The person who's
disabled are able to be eligible because they're disabled, So
to say that they're going to have to make a
trek into the woods to keep you an eye stated,
I think it's eight hundred meters if I'm not mistaken.
Is the fairest you can be away? Like, I don't
even know what the rationale is for that. Is it
to keep people from going out and getting the moose

(01:33:36):
for the person who has the license as a disability license.
Even if that's the case, So what it's only one
moose per license, So suppose that person's in the truck
or on the quad or at the cabin. I mean,
if they applied for the license, and once you satisfy
the license, that's it. And the person who shot the
moose has been designated on the license. So I don't
know why there's a distance issue. I don't even understand it,

(01:33:59):
to be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Well, the thing is, you know, Patty, I mean, my god,
do they think that you know? If I'm not I mean,
I might never see a moose, Patty, I might never.

Speaker 8 (01:34:08):
Get a moose.

Speaker 6 (01:34:09):
I mean, but the thing is, I mean I haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
An honest now because of the situation my wife has been.
But I mean time as a factor now, and like
I said, I might never get a moose. Well, what
do they think if I goes over there? I mean,
I know, I get a ball, Only do they really
think that I'm gonna, you know, kill a cow or whatever.
I mean, when I get a bowl on the licen

(01:34:34):
and the rest are losing my truck, my gun and
getting the foe. I mean, after waiting all those years,
I mean, come on, for God's sake, you know, Paddy
is totally totally ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
I just can't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
I can't put the handle on the patty. And I
don't know, you know, I mean, you know, I don't know,
my friend. It's just it's getting to the point where,
like I said, it even bother anymore, you know, Paddy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Yeah, it's exhausting. So there was it's a long stretch
of time where there was no such thing as a
disability moose license. So I think that's only as new
as somewhere in the late nineties sometime. And I don't
know if the rules have changed since it was first implemented.
From distance from the hunter eight hundred meters or within
eyesight or what have you en plus within eyeshot? Does

(01:35:18):
that mean it's in eyeshot with through binoculars or is
it simply meet my own bare eyes? And as you
get older, that could be, you know, restricting your the
ability to see long distances in the first place. So
it's a strange one. I don't think anyone's ever explained.

Speaker 9 (01:35:31):
It to me.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
No, well, that's why I said, you don't tell you.
And the thing is like beating you know mentioned there.
I mean, I talked to a gentleman there and he said, ry,
you know, I know where you're coming from. But he said,
I got a license. He said, right now, he said
to kill a moose for said on some organization. I
won't mention no name or anything, and like I said,
that's not important. But anyway, now he said, I don't

(01:35:54):
need anybody with me. He said this letterself that I
can go and kill a moose and blah blah blah
and nobody being my presidence or whatever. So you know, Patty,
I mean, boy, can't I just go on leave the
wife where she's siw he's sitting on the chair. And
then you know, if I'm lucky enough to get the moose,
so be it, and everything is good. I probably don't

(01:36:15):
do nothing that at the ordinary or do nothing wrong.
I mean, what's it all about. I don't know, Patty,
But anyway, that's my two cents for today. I just said,
I call in and you know, I tried to get
out to the minister's office.

Speaker 8 (01:36:28):
I've never had no law, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
Called a few people on different you know, and it's
the same old scenario, Patty, it is what it is.
If you don't like his suck at all. Anyway, my friend,
you carry on, have a good day, and thanks for.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Taking my call anytime, right, all the best, Okay, thank
you sir, welcome bye bye. And it just pops into
my mind. It's not specifically about the moose license for
folks who are disabled, but that is a good question
asked about why is it so sticky on how close
you have to be to the hunter. It's seven or
eight years ago. They actually amended the wildlife fact to

(01:37:02):
lower the age for people with the ability to get
a small game license and a big game license. So
it went in a small game from sixteen to twelve,
and in the big game went from eighteen to sixteen.
There were plenty of people saying, hey, that's too young,
But even the arguments being made by folks who were
encouraging the lowering of the age, they had the research,
they had the data. It showed pretty clearly that the

(01:37:24):
younger you are, and you're of course to be trained
and supervised by an adult, is that the safer you become.
You know, because it was all about not necessarily just
about families hunting together, it was also had a lot
to do with actual gun safety and understanding the rules
and understanding the safe use of a firearm. So my
question would be, has there been any potential dangerous outcome

(01:37:47):
or outfall from that lowering of the age? Small game
sixteen to twelve, Big Game eighteen to sixteen, Not that
I've heard of. So it was happening in other provinces,
so people talk about it. It's part of heritage as
part of families sticking together, also about enjoying the joining
the great outdoors. It's also about understanding the right way
and the wrong way to do things, so at a

(01:38:07):
younger age, apparently it's worked out famously I've never seen
or heard a story where it's gone sideway simply because
of the age of one of the hunters. They also,
at the exact same time made changes to the disability
portion of it, so I think it means folks who
have an eligible disability and signed off note by medical doctor,

(01:38:28):
they also get first DIBs on moose that were put
down by conservation officers. So that would be the problem moose, right,
whether it be close by the roadway, maybe interruption of
agricultural operations. But I think that's the way that's also
worked here, is someone on the disability list has first
DIBs on a moose put down a problem moose by

(01:38:48):
conservation officer. Pretty sure that's the way it works, all right, cheer.
And I was also priority for firearm training, right, someone
else who knows more about it should be able to
fill me in. But stands in the queue he wants
to respond to reg we're talking to you, don't away.
Welcome back to the show. Let's got to line number three.

Speaker 11 (01:39:05):
Stand are on the air, Hi, Patty, let's get one.

Speaker 14 (01:39:10):
Just caught on about the moose license. I think that's
all after change, and I'm sure it is that if
you're handicapped or the person that is handicapped and can't
go with you, you can go and shoot the moose.
You've got to identify the person that's going to do it,
and they can shoot the move shoot be home. I'm
sure it's changed if you can check into the wild
life because I think one of my family members is

(01:39:30):
qualified to do that. I think he's got permission for
someone else to shoot a moose forma even when he
gets license. Again, I'm sure it is. I had not
heard he brought up there some other organization like the
Sat Lion's Collaborate or one of those groups. Olympics crowded net.
They're having people because that outdoor show we got here.
I see him shooting moose for special Olympics. Nobody is

(01:39:50):
nobody there with him. So why is it you can
do it for a group, but you can't do for
your own member of family or whatever that's handicapped.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
Yeah, I think the charity license is different than the
disability license.

Speaker 14 (01:40:00):
So what's that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
I think the charity license is different than the disability
lessons different If my.

Speaker 14 (01:40:07):
Wife I had license a couple of years ago. I'll
tell you, Patty, how long I'm hunting. I went down
around the bay, come into the store and buy my
license for ten dollars. How long ago?

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Was Say that's not yesterday?

Speaker 9 (01:40:17):
Oh so you no?

Speaker 14 (01:40:19):
I heard this, and I think my brother in law,
I think he's got permission from the Wildlife. Whatever the
way they do it, it's worth checking into. I didn't
check into it because I no need for me to
check into it now. But you can get I'm sure,
especially permission, same as someone got get a cat fish
for you. It works that way.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
I think I'll confirm I was not aware of any
change made to the distance parameters for a disability license,
but it's easy enough for me to find out. I
suppose I could just go to the government's web page
and see if there's been then the amendments to the
wildlife fact but I was unaware of any changes. If
that has indeed happened.

Speaker 14 (01:40:52):
When I hang up now, I'm going to call on
him and if he got if he got that what
I think she got, you'll need to call it back
from me.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Okay, I appreciate it.

Speaker 14 (01:40:59):
And nothing by just a touch base from my phone
last week about I think it was the fundraiser that
I was donate money and they wanted to charge me fee.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I didn't give it to
the next day. You told me I wound to Redcross
give money next day. If I've talked to a friend
the same day next day when I donated, I was
starting with a friend, he said. I donated thirty dollars
and I got a twelve percent charge to my when

(01:41:21):
I got receipt back, I got back it was what
three sixty I think it was taking out out of
my receipt and I never got credit for thirty dollars.
I got credit for twenty six forty I think it was. Yeah,
that's a lord of crap. If that went on, every
dollar was donated, whoever it is is getting to represent
of it. But they made a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Yeah, it's a credit card.

Speaker 14 (01:41:42):
It was a Yeah, it was a crowd got the
credit carriage. If you're charged because you're going to charge that,
you know organization, Well you see that, I suppose. But
like I said before, I've donated money and it was
never charged my credit card. But if I donate thirty dollars,
I got credit for thirty dollars, not minus twelve percent.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Yeah, I gave it to thought after. So it's only
one of two ways this is going to work. So
if there's a trans a credit card transaction fee being
charged by whatever credit card company for the charity when
they're trying to make all these finalize these transactions, so
it's either one or two things. It's either the charity
pays the fee or the donor pays the fee, or
even better, if the credit card company is sitting on

(01:42:19):
their hundreds of millions of dollars, if they waved fees
or reduced fees for charities and for not for profits.
Because I said, I've.

Speaker 14 (01:42:27):
Been doing it for years, donating two different organizations here
and not big lot of money, but as much as
we can. Being seniors like ourselves closer to ninety nine
and the way eighty and we don't have we got
to donate. But I mean, if you use your twenty
dollars or thirty dollars, it's held, and like I said,
you haven't charged me anything yet. So someone who's absorbing
the cost if it is, and if those credit card

(01:42:48):
companies kind of absorb it, why do you I mean
I always seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
Donate.

Speaker 14 (01:42:52):
If you don't have a credit card, you can send
a check into them, but not people do want to
send checks because your numbers are there for someone to
get them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Yeah, I mean, how many people even have a check anymore?

Speaker 14 (01:43:01):
When he no, it's no checks now. But anyway, petty,
what I come for about that? Especially a way getting
your license? Like that guy I heard him on quite
often there he should be allowed to go or him
or someone pointed out that that person that's allowed to
go and shoot the moose for her. But I'm going
to find out if my brother in law got that
special permit. If you have, I'll notify you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Again, I appreciate it because I was certainly not aware
of any changes for the better on that front. But
if you let me know, i'd appreciate that. Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:43:31):
Well, I heard that recently, and it could be a
couple of months ago.

Speaker 13 (01:43:33):
I heard that.

Speaker 14 (01:43:33):
But when I heard him mention that, I said, no
need for him to be sitting home and his wife
got a license, she can't fill it because she got
to be there. That's a load of crap. I mean,
you'd be in a wheelchair. How the hell can you
be within whatever the distance is. When someone shoots the moose,
I have to fire the moose and I also got him,
but he's going to go proud of the nine hundred
yards and I gotta win there in the woods and
get him. She can't be in there, you know. Is

(01:43:54):
that illegal? Then it's a load of crap. But to
get down with, like you said, we're treated late third
world country with everything to fishery and all works. But anyway,
my love, that's it for now.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
I appreciate the time. Thanks a lot, Stan Hye bye bye, okay,
bye bye. Yeah. I had not seen any change to
that particular distance rule. And I do know. There's such
a thing as a charity license, and you know, you
just pick a charity. They have the ability to apply
for a license that designate a hunter, and that happens
all the time. There's actually a buddy of mine. I
think you've got two charity licenses this year. He's got

(01:44:26):
his own somewhere out on the West coast in addition
to that, and just very quick, I don't want to
squeeze anyone up against the news. Plenty of concern about
just how accurate the moose headcom numbers are. I think
they've changed their strategy in the recent past about how
they come up with a guestimate of how many moose
are here. But if you talk to you know, say,

(01:44:46):
for instance, Eugene with soapak, they will use one number.
If you talk to hunters, they'll say there's far fewer
moose than there used to be. So would be interesting
to know exactly how the process works and to have
a better an accurate number, because it doesn't just talk
about things like road safety. It has to talk about
the number of licenses that are issued each year too.

(01:45:07):
Right on top of that, I hear this one every
season when it comes around. So in some zones there
might not be a reduction in overall licenses issued, or
maybe a smaller reduction. But the entity that doesn't see
any reduction would be the outfitters. Now I know it's
a contributing part of the economy, but when folks are

(01:45:27):
told that in their zone, let's just use round numbers.
Last year, there's one hundred licenses, and let's just use
the VV thirty for the outfitters and seventy for the locals.
And then the next year it's ninety five, but the
exact same number for the outfitter, and the reduction comes
for those who are the everyday local who simply want
their moose license as well. All right, there's color there
ones to talk about. Joey Small Well, that's interesting. We'll

(01:45:50):
have that conversation after the news, but let's check in
on the twitter box. That okay, So this from Steve,
an aging disabled hunter who can no longer go into
the woods. Can they'll apply for the moose license as
a partner to an able bodied hunter. It increased the
able body hunter's chance of getting a license, and there's
usually a quarter of moose in it for them. That's right.
I guess that would be a side deal. Man. It's

(01:46:11):
how much moose you actually get out of it. And
get a few questions about how to reach the folks
like Barry Fordham at Sharing the Harvest if they have
a Facebook page, I'm pretty sure there's a direct contact
email on that page that if you'd like to know
more about it, or you'd like to be part of
contributing to, or you'd like to be on the receiving
end of you can do exactly that through Sharing the Harvest.

(01:46:31):
I think Barry mentioned it was their fifth or sixth
anniversary this year, which is really good idea and thankfully
the problem cemented some legislation to allow for some of
the food banks to accept country food wild meat in particular,
So you have to go through and burial, correct me
if I'm wrong. You have to go through who is
an accredited butcher with an accredited and certified avatoire by

(01:46:54):
the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. But imagine the glee that
if you need to go to food bank, like over
two million Canadians do, which is shocking this day and age,
is to be able to come out with something that
is so natural and organic and high in protein, and
something that would absolutely be in the envelope of comfort food,
you know, as opposed to some of the other fair

(01:47:16):
that you'll be able to get at the food bank.
All right, we're taking your emails. It's open on a
FEOCM dot com. When we come back from this particular newscast,
we are going to talk a little Joey Smallwood from
what angle I don't know. I think this particular caller
would like to sing the praises of former premium Smallwood,
the first premium of new flannel Labrador, the father of confederation.
But we'll see what Otto has to say right after this,

(01:47:37):
and then plenty show left for you Don't.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
Go away The Tim Power Show during the conversation weekday
afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Welcome back to the show. Let us go line number one.
I know you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (01:47:52):
Thanks for taking me call the petty.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
No problem, buddy.

Speaker 13 (01:47:56):
The sun is man as shun Bright. That's in the country.
What are they, Paddy? I wanted to talk about joeysh Maud.
He got the blame for for church fall, deal down
the ray back in the sixty sixty eight or seventy.
But wouldn't wouldn't Jewish Bowd Brinkle? You ever read the

(01:48:19):
book on Brinkle?

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
I'm not so sure I read a book. I've read
a bit about it.

Speaker 13 (01:48:26):
Ooh yeah, Well Joey got the blame. Wouldn't Jewish Mollward?
We each comes to a lot in twenty three years
he was Premium right m hm, the Orange Company of
Canada comedy Tense. You know what the heap is let
in North America was? It was Incoming Tense, a reactor

(01:48:50):
seven and ten tons. No you want Peoi Mongs worked
in that reactor, okay? And you know how along the
wharf is in come my chance?

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
No idea, no idea.

Speaker 13 (01:49:05):
One quarter. They mall one quarter but all long. But
he's the Jit George Small, North Georgia Falls, larbra Door,
wander Mill. I got a list of twenty attorney Arte,
Culture Center, Lard Lake, Melville Popp and paper, hold your

(01:49:29):
own gender things. This goes on. He work from some
premier buddy. You take him up Fresh Falls that it
got six billion. They spent thirteen billion on wa.

Speaker 11 (01:49:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
I don't know if there's a whole lot.

Speaker 13 (01:49:48):
Are gonna have the paper? We ain't gonna have to
pay for that. Someone got the pay for it and
they're going to the taxpayer.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Great pair.

Speaker 13 (01:49:58):
Yeah, the money going to come from it's not from
the from us christy By.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Yeah, it was the Mustard for.

Speaker 13 (01:50:08):
One year premier twenty four billions cucomers. But Joe and
must and some man. But they got blamed for church
of fault. But wouldn't George Fould.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
No, I think it was. There was a bit of
blame to go around there.

Speaker 13 (01:50:25):
You'll know, Okay, I worked there. He's sixty seven, sixty eight.
I worked on the I was shot for it, and
I want to work armworker on spillways. Joey must and
some man. Buddy, he come from Gamble hurting me guy. Hey, yeah,

(01:50:46):
I see you dropped a lot in twenty three years.
He all the ends, all of them. Well, mister Small
and mois Son who was written to him. He'd done
an ech of a job. That's all I got to say, Buddy,
I want to tell you something down you got a
storm up again? Ray uh huh. You visit him Rie, I.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
Haven't in a while. He's he's come in here the
last couple of times.

Speaker 13 (01:51:11):
Well, if you come down to Gander, come to a
and w stop on shol ever dry just off. They're
about Canadian toyers. Go up to the hill there, know
up on French kind right, Yeah, I know it is. Yeah, yeah,
you come up there. But the boys like to meet you.
We meet down there around ten o'clock. I say twelve

(01:51:33):
or fourteen guys there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Okay, appreciate the invitation.

Speaker 13 (01:51:37):
Mean for coffee, sure by, love to meet that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Yeah it sounds good.

Speaker 13 (01:51:41):
You're welcome. Come to the department too.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
Okay, buddy, thank you for you mutation. Still there, buddy,
I appreciate it very much. Thanks for calling.

Speaker 13 (01:51:49):
I had a more concussion. Now you filled down and
sugar and went down to two point three. Oh, a
lot of actions for a while, but still ongo, still tapping.
I gotta be belonge.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
You have a beaver lineout Yep, not the beavers.

Speaker 13 (01:52:05):
Man, I know, it's the four or five peppers died
in the well. If you ever come again the shopping
day in Double for Go, I'll be there.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
I will do it, and I appreciate the invitation. Thanks
for calling. Good day you two outo take care bye right, goodbye?
Uh yeah, I mean there's a lot of things. I think.
It's like most political legacies. Some of the worst things
will get hung over your head, like you say, Peckford
and a sprung greenhouse as opposed to Atlantic Court and

(01:52:36):
Joey whatever you think of confederation, but he'll get resettlement
hung on him. And with the Labrador liner board which
went from nineteen seventy three to nineteen seventy seven sold
that had a significant loss to the province, I think
a tiv you bought the linerboard plant if I'm not mistaken.
But of course Joey's also responsible for a memorial University,
amongst other things. He right, just keep going on. Line

(01:52:59):
number two is taking more to the executive director at CARDONEL.
That's the Coalition of Persons with Disabilities Nanci read Hi, Nancy,
you're on the air, Hi, Patty.

Speaker 12 (01:53:07):
Thanks for the opportunity this morning. No problem, I just
I was listening to a couple of the colors just
a little while ago. But the Hunter program just.

Speaker 6 (01:53:15):
Wanted to clarify a little if I could sure.

Speaker 12 (01:53:19):
And I'd like to say from my perspective, unfortunately, not
enough has changed within the program mostly Patty, I think
your understanding of the way the program exists is. In fact,
currently people with persons of visibilities who are hunters under
the program must still have a if they're going to

(01:53:41):
use that program, must have an appointed hunter stay within
eight hundred meters of them during the hunt. Now, if
an animal is injured, if you know, whoever hits you know,
shoots that animal, and if it's injured and it must
be tracked, it must be chased. Obviously the pointed hunter

(01:54:01):
is allowed to go to you know, to to track
that animal to finish it, to complete the kill the harvest,
without staying within that eight hundred meters of the hunter
of the person with disability. However, for the initial shot,
the hunter, the designated hunter must be within that eight
hundred meters.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
Yeah, and you know better than me, is there has
there ever been a rationale offered as to why it
is the way it is, because I'm not so sure
it makes a whole lot of sense to me, because
if i have gone through the process with the government,
I've been given the disability license, I've certified or designated
a hunter. If that person goes with that license with
their name on it and gets the animal, I'm not

(01:54:40):
so sure about difference it makes with the disabled person
to be within eyeshot.

Speaker 9 (01:54:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:54:46):
Well, I've had a conversation with ministers responsible in the past.
I have not yet met with you know, the current
Minister NHA, Minister of Cleman Forcing. I intend too, and
I hope too, but I haven't initiated that com station
as I yet, Patty, I have no. I don't understand
it either, you know. I will say, and I've said
it often in this space. I am also a hunter

(01:55:09):
and I am a person with disabilities. I use a
wheelchair and I've participated using the disabled Hunter program for
quite a number of years now. Sometimes I am the
shooter and sometimes my appointed you know, my husband who
is with me at all times in these spaces, sometimes
he does the shooting. I don't know any reason that

(01:55:30):
we can use to justify the rules as they exist.
People with disabilities should be treated with equity. That means
that we should be able to participate in the hunt
and both at the food source, which many of us
as New Flanders Labradorians do, but also as a sport
or a piece of recreation. And you know, whether I'm

(01:55:52):
a person that can actually shoot the moose, if I
have my legally obtained license which all of us have
to get this, we should be able to participate in
the hunt just as anybody else should and can without
a disability. Some people with disabilities actually participate in the
hunt because of the enjoyment of it, you know, the sites,

(01:56:13):
the smells, the sounds, the activity of it. To be
actually in there. Many of us do as a food source,
so there's no way that it should be denied in
the way that we're seeing right now.

Speaker 7 (01:56:26):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:56:26):
So I'm really glad that the callers are actively bringing
that up. And there is also, i want to say,
a difference with the nonprofit moose license each year, and
again that's something that's very valid at the Coalition of
Persons with Disabilities. We actually make application to that each year.
Some years were successful. This year we were successful in

(01:56:49):
acquiring that moose and then that meat can be used
in a number of ways, and we've talked about opportunities
sometimes to donate to charity. So those are all things
that you are going to think are very valid, and
we need to be able to consider ways that we're
doing things now that could be done better and actually
making better use of this wonderful source of protein that

(01:57:12):
they're in the woods.

Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
Absolutely, Nancy, I appreciate making time for the show. Anything
else on your front before we say goodbye?

Speaker 12 (01:57:19):
No, An International Day for Process to the Disabilities is
coming up in December third. We're going to be doing
some fun things, some cool things, and hope everybody just
keep doing and stamless and we'll talk.

Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
So look forward to Thank you, Nancy, thank you, Patty, Welcome,
Bye bye. That's read the executive director at the Coalition
of Persons with Disabilities. Final break of the morning. Don't
go away, clocome back to the program. Let's got a
line number one. Mikaela, you're on the.

Speaker 15 (01:57:43):
Air, Yes Hi, how do you do this morning? Mister Dally,
I've been listening to your listening to your program, and
I must say I find it very, very interesting and informative.
I just wanted to support those hunters out there, those
shown hunters. I myself, I had a son and at
the age of twelve, I brought him down to the

(01:58:04):
provincial representative then for youth hunting. Very kindly man took
him in, interviewed him YadA yadi, and he gave him permission,
you know, to hunt, of course with a responsible adult.
I just want to share my story to say that
what a wonderful opportunity it led for my son. It

(01:58:24):
kept him very active, very healthy. He enjoyed the hunting,
enjoyed you know, all of it, the whole experience.

Speaker 6 (01:58:32):
Boil up in the woods, etc.

Speaker 3 (01:58:34):
Etc.

Speaker 15 (01:58:35):
And the commandery of all the other hunters. So what
did that do for him? Well, I tell you what
it did for him. He went on then to the
college to do his wildlife okay at the college in Cornerbrook.
From there he graduated. He transferred all his credits to
another province where he completed his degree in Fisheries and

(01:58:57):
wildlife management. And to this day it's still a very
he's only in the thirties. He totally enjoys it the woods.
This is life and I'm very grateful for what we
were allowed to do, and I must say it's been remarkable.

(01:59:17):
I listened to those stories this morning about those people
with disabilities trying to get in to get the moose
and the only other thing I want. You know, I
feel very badly for them, and you know, it's quite
an arduous task and I don't think it's right. I
think the rules should be changed on that. Also, here's
another rule that I would like for mister Wakem to

(01:59:39):
change in this government is that not only should you
be a resident of Nuthland and Labrador to.

Speaker 3 (01:59:47):
Go out as a citizen.

Speaker 15 (01:59:48):
Now I'm not talking about the moose hunting groups or
you know, nothing like that. I'm just talking about an
individual who's living in.

Speaker 6 (01:59:56):
Newfolan and Labrador. I think you should have to be.

Speaker 15 (02:00:00):
A resident and a Canadian citizen in order to get
a moose license in this province. I've lived in many
different countries and I can tell you that the rules
are unless you're a citizen, don't.

Speaker 6 (02:00:15):
Even you're not getting anything.

Speaker 8 (02:00:18):
So that i'd like to throw that out there.

Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
Yeah, they loophole that around here, so you you have
to be a citizen to get the license, but the
outfitter can get the license on your behalf and you
could be an American traveler come here and use his license.

Speaker 5 (02:00:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (02:00:32):
Well, I'm just saying that I don't think you have
to be a Canadian citizen here to get a moose license.

Speaker 10 (02:00:39):
You have to be just a.

Speaker 15 (02:00:40):
Resident that's a permanent resident. And I'm saying that's what
needs to be changed.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
Okay, you need you.

Speaker 15 (02:00:48):
Should have to be for I'm just talking about a
sole individual who's going out, not with a moose hunting
lodge connection or anything like that. I'm not talking about
anything like that. Just a private individual that's going out
to shoot a moose here in this province should be
a Canadian and plus a resident of New Zudland and Labrador.

(02:01:13):
And I will just throw that out there. That's what's happening.
It's a topic for another day. But I really get
tired too of all these wonderful companies that we have
here and they're putting up scholarships for students and the
only requirement is is that they're.

Speaker 6 (02:01:28):
A resident, not that they're a.

Speaker 15 (02:01:31):
Canadian citizen plus a resident. And I will tell you
because I've had children who have gone to other countries
to get their post secondary and they have been refused. Outright,
you are not a citizen of this country. Therefore you
do not qualify for scholarships. So anyway, I just wanted
to add that little adjunct and maybe people will stop

(02:01:52):
because I was listening yesterday to somebody on I think
it was CBC and they were talking about this is
not the Canada we want right now. You know, we
need to do a little bit better. We need to
do a little bit better in some ways for those
who have given so much for so many years. That

(02:02:15):
why can't we put a few stipulations in there like
a lot of other countries, the G seven countries have
in place as well. And when we put up a
scholarship or when we offer these licenses, let's make it
to facto that you are a Canadian citizen first, plus
you are a resident of that province.

Speaker 6 (02:02:37):
That's all I have to say.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
And I appreciate your time, that's what Kayla.

Speaker 15 (02:02:41):
Okay, thank you so much. And again I really really
support and all those young boys and girls out there,
who are you interested in hunting. I think it's a
wonderful program, a wonderful opportunity, and I truly do thank
the government for it. Maybe mister wakem might take a
might take issue with this and say, hey, would be

(02:03:01):
nice to have a change. Thank you very much for
your show.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
You're welcome, take care yep bye bye bye bye. Yeah.
I mean you can get a firearm safety course? Is
it all simply online these days? I think the RCMP
offers an in person training for the Canadian Firearms Safety Course.
You have to be twelve years of age to actually
fire a weapon, but I think if you're under twelve
you can still take the course just for the information purposes. Anyway,
last word goes the line them with three mic around

(02:03:24):
the air.

Speaker 11 (02:03:26):
Good morning, Patty Petty. As you know, I've been into
this for wildlife with different rules and regulations, and that's
for years, and I've had lots of arguments in that
and stuff with them. Anyway, wound up to a seventy
five years old, I would out shut my moves. Legally,
I got charge with five charges just before the courts.

(02:03:48):
Now as a result of this, there was no witnesses
as regards to it. The WATERWORF officials had three phone
calls which they knew were false proven they went and
got a search warrant based on these stories that they
knew what weren't true, that they lied to a police

(02:04:10):
peace officer, which is indegable offence. The warden went out
and got a search warrant based on and swore on
the effidavit that the complaints that he got were accurbal,
accurate and reliable, and they weren't and he knew that
they weren't. So now we got a search to the

(02:04:33):
search warrant and they got unanimous Curry hard on to
advise the judge and the validity of the search warrants.
It's been two and a half years now that they
took the moose. We're looking at another court date in
the twentieth of February to look at the valididity of
the search warrant challeng's search warrant. Just two and a

(02:04:56):
half years now, we've only gone through one witness yet
was the supervisor and all of this stuff. All that
I can be charged with is maximull fine is one
thousand dollars and lose my licens for five years just
moose hunting. I can still hunt small game. I can
still hunt.

Speaker 3 (02:05:16):
Black bear and whatever.

Speaker 11 (02:05:19):
I'm just not allowed to hunt moose and caribou. But
these people are facing indegrable offenses lying to a peace
officer and the search warrant net for the warden. Like
this is going on and on and on. Now the
blame of me for delays and this going to court
because I challenge the search warrant. Oh there's my doing

(02:05:40):
and that and all this stuff, but like here it
is months and months. Like I just I don't care
about the charges. I can go to court and defend myself.
They've got a lot to prove, Like and the search warrant,
they left out information that was valuable. They also the
information that they're given was the truth.

Speaker 8 (02:05:59):
Wasn't we liable?

Speaker 11 (02:06:00):
They knew it? And what was the other thing? There
were three things there? Oh yeah, they came to my property.
They came in in the morning, they seized the moose,
and they gone. They stayed on my property for all
day to get the search warrant. Then I asked him,

(02:06:20):
I said, why do you need a search warrant when
you've seized the animal? Seize it stuff. Always said, we
just wanted to make it legal. So now they put
themselves into the spot that if they had to get
the search warrant to make it legal, they never had
the right to come on my property to seize the
animal in the first place. And there was no witnesses,

(02:06:42):
no actual witnesses, no nothing. We've got expenses gone out
for DNA samples, veterinarian bills, storage the animal for over
two years. Amachus Kerrey haired by the government to advise
the judge. Thousands and thousands of dollars is gone because
I got a legal moose with a legal license, and

(02:07:05):
I shot it legally. And here's all these other people
who are actual criminals. It's testified in court. All this
stuff was all accurate, recorded and everything else. So I
got no reason to exaggerate or lawyer or anything else.
But it's just totally ridiculous. And like I said, I

(02:07:27):
just like to get this thing.

Speaker 9 (02:07:30):
In court. Haven't heard.

Speaker 11 (02:07:33):
And then this thing too on the dwelling. The big
decisions on the dwelling, we don't have to come up yet.

Speaker 2 (02:07:41):
Yeah, we don't even have time for that this morning, though, Mike.
But I appreciate you've had the last word.

Speaker 11 (02:07:46):
Oh and by the way, and by the college swamp
donkey cops.

Speaker 2 (02:07:52):
That's Mike, all right, Bye bye, all right, good show today,
Big taxs, Tall Hands. We willingly pick up this conversation
again for a morning right here on v OCM and
big Land FM's Open Line. Hafter the producer Dave Williams.
I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun
happy day. Well talk in the morning. Bye bye,

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