Wednesday Nov 26th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
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this station. The biggest conversation in Newfoundland and Labrador starts now.
Here's VOCM Open Line Host Paddy Daily.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
so much for tuning into the program. It's Wednesday, November
the twenty sixth. This is Open Line. I'm your host,
Patty Daily, David Williams, he's the producer. You'll be speaking
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Speaker 1 (00:51):
So we know that there's a ton of charities and.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Not for profits that are anxiously anticipating your generous donation
this time you're in particular. One sorts organization that I
like to promote is kid Sport, So they've got their
annual Give the Gift of Sport campaign running nationwide between
the twenty fourth of this month and the fourth of January,
trying to support all the one hundred and seventy six
Kids Sport Community chapters across the country. So their goal

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each year's raised million dollars. Last year had a great year,
raised one point four to five to seven million dollars,
average donation of three hundred bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Here's the deal.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Since they were part me in twenty twenty four, they
raised fifteen million dollars over the course of the year.
That helped forty thousand children participate.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
In organized sport. And we know that that.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Gives you an opportunity to have a healthy mind, healthy body, and.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Maybe he's learned some life skills.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
In addition too. Sticking with sport, this is not a
great story. So Canada's most decorated female Olympian is swimmer Penneolexiak.
She's now accepted, well, she was given and I guess
has accepted a two year ban from competition. Oh boy,
so they've got this whereabouts standard you get to you
have to provide a sixty minute early sixty minute update

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ninety days in advance to get your testing. She failed
to show up three times. She says they've never used
the band substance Da da da da da, But she
didn't show up for the testing. And now who as
a seven time Olympic medalist, nine time World Championship medalist
Penning Alexiak suspended four from competition for two years.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Absolutely brutal. A couple of quick NHL notes.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Last game for the Boston Bruins for the great number
four Bobby Oa on this date in nineteen seventy five.
But one player that gets overlooked through the eighties and
nineties as one of the very best Stevie. Why Steve
Eisman when you're playing in an era with Gretzky and
Lemieux and Yaga and Francis and others. Eisaman who was
one of my faves. He scored a six hundred goal
on this state in nineteen ninety nine, of course, for
the Detroit Red Wings. Quick update on the Olympic Trials

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and men's curling. So goods you had team goods.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
You last night.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Sort of a weird game, took extra ends, some pretty
great shot making to make it to extras and they
win eight six over Team McDonald. They got Team McEwan today,
which is a tough matchup this morning at eight eastern
nine thirty local or Island time. I should say it
was a weird game if you watch it. They were
given a point that was highly suspect generally when it's
really too close to call by the naked eye. They

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called him the sticks, but they didn't. He was on
the receiving end of that generous point and ended up winning.
In extras, go get him and a sad note in
the curling world, I had the opportunity on a couple
of occasions to spend a little bit of time with
and chat and interview Colleen Jones. I mean, she was
a phenom on the ice. Two time World champion, six
time Canadians Women' champion, made twenty one appearances at the

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Scotties up until Jennifer Jones breaking her record. Shehit curled
in the most games at the Scottis period. Also skipped
Canada to the World Seniors Women's Championship in twenty seventeen.
She's in the Canada Sports Hall of Fame. She's got
the Order of Canada. Dead at the age of sixty five.
Add into that forty years in the media, and she
was terrific on air and told some pretty great stories.

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And so while we talked about goodshew and hoping him
go back to the Olympic Games where there is two
time medalist Alian Jones dead at sixty five. She was
a lovely woman just in the minimal amount of time
I got to spend with her.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
But anyway, there we go.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
She got a cancer doctor, Sheila Garland, who has a
sleep clinic at Memorial University. I think she scheduled to
join us at some point today, Dave. She's got a
presentation coming up tonight about sleep and cancer. People who
have cancer diagnosis so I don't sleep very well. She
estimates this somewhere between ten and fifteen percent of people
in the province do suffer from insomnia. When given a

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cancer diagnosis, it can increase almost up to fifty percent
for the obvious reasons of pain and anxiety and whatever.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
The case would be. So doctor Garland's coming up. If
you have any.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Specific questions for her, we'd be happy to take it
on and try to get them to her. When we
speak with doctor Garland every now and then I get
emails that just kind.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Of make me scratch my head.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yesterday we talked about the fact that I'm going in
the courts now. Is a young drug dealer who sold
what the fourteen year old bought thought it was xanax,
had turned out to be not that, and the fourteen
year old died from an overdose. So this particular drug dealer,
nineteen year old Zach Maroney, being charged with manslaughter or
criminal negligence causing death, drug possession trafficking. So I think

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this is a really good thing, and it's a potential
precedent setting case.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
But I got an.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Email that says, you know, it's unfair for the drug
dealer to be charged here because it's up to people
as to whether or not they want to buy illicit drugs.
It's a strange way to look at the world. But
any who, I think this is the right course of
action personally speaking. If you want to take on anything
in that world with the drugs and drug overdoses and
safe supply and harm reduction, anything in that envelope, you

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know me, We're happy to take it on. Okay, So
let's go back down the AI road. I just feel
like I should be talking about this stuff. So the
most recent case, of course, is the AI generated citations
in the ten year Human Resources Healthcare Plan. Delloid says
AI was not used to write the report, it was
selectively used to support a smaller research citations. We are

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fully responsible for the quality of our work, including the
accuracy of report citations, but they stand firmly behind the
report itself. The problem is for the vast majority of
people in the province when those stories break that we
kind of just lose the focus on what the content
of the report is and recommendations they're in, whether it
be in the Educational Court, which is an important document,

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or whether it be in this healthcare resources plan or
report a ten year model coming from Deloitte. So I
don't know what we're going to do about it. But
another thing in healthcare, when as it pertains to staffing,
it'd be great to have some sort of update where
we are in the five year contract. We entered it
in with American company called Change Healthcare. They have an

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office in BC, so they call themselves Change Healthcare Canada.
It's not an insignificant insignificant amount of money thirty five
million dollars over the course of the deal. Three million
dollars off front, and this was all about billing software,
talk about healthcare scheduling, collaboration with the health authorities, which
of course is now only one and the quote is
to improve operational efficiency and anticipated cost savings. Talk about

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reducing staff and costs, overtime, sick time, payroll errors and
timekeeping labor.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
So says the contract.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
No earthly idea where that is and how does that
dovetail with this new ten year report. Also important to
note that upon the five year conclusion here, if ninety
five percent of the recommendations made by Change Healthcare Canada
are not implemented, we have to pay.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Them five million dollars in penalties. So what's going on
with that?

Speaker 3 (07:30):
It's as much as forty million dollars contract, but not
one peep about it until we found out after the
fact when it was signed. No consultation, whether it be
with the unions and or the general public who have
an understanding what we're doing. Because healthcare is pretty important issue,
don't you think let's talk about it all right? Premier
Waken yesterday with a speech in front of the Board

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of Trade and Board of Trade members about the financial
realities and some of the update about where we are.
Couple of vaguary he's offered. It's so far as deficit goes,
so we know the deficit came in in around six
hundred and twenty six million dollars, which included all of
the Big Tobacco settlement. So the real deficit if you
back that out, is around a billion dollars. Now it's

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not it's not like the government couldn't include the Big
Tobacco settlement. But what have been the best path forward
would have been the consult the attorney of a part
of the auditor or general, like other provinces did. So
that number is there. Premier Wakem says it's likely worse
than that. No real details as to how much worse
it might be or why it might be worse. But

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that's a pretty painful reality if indeed it is real.
So we'll see what we can do about that. One
also goes on to talk about beta ord in a
meeting with equinor now they're going to proceed with an
expression of interest to do some further construction, including top
sides here in the province. But there's a couple of
caveats offered inside of that, is that if there's if

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there's going to be an attention to cost and schedule,
then the main DC modules built in this province. But
when they say in this quote from Wickham and if
modules can be built in newflanda Labrador without compromising cost
or schedule, they will be that's a big if. That
word if does a lot of heavy lifting, and it
certainly does in that particular sentence.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
So we'll see what that actually means into the future.
I talk about it.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Being considered a nation building project, maybe belonging in the
Major Project's office.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Fair enough.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Goes on to say, and this is about the Upper Churchill,
so they're crafting the terms of reference for the independent review.
We don't know much more beyond it, nor do we
know much more beyond the commitment for a bonding referendum.
But it goes on to say the Churchill River will
be developed, including expansion at Churchill Falls, the Upper Churchill
and at gal It would be nice to know a

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little bit more about what that means. Does that mean
if this MoU goes by the wa and doesn't become
definitive agreements in the future, that the province will still
plan on developing gall Island? Fair enough, if that's the case.
But boy oh boy, what does that actually mean, because
there's no appetuity in this province as far as I
can tell, to go it alone like we did at

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Muskrat So who might be potential partners? How we plan
on getting the power out of here? You know the
conversation regarding the Alberta proposed pipeline to BC's north coast,
and now the Prime Minister has granted a veto to BC, which.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Is being widely.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Pounded in Western Canada, even though that's always been the case.
You know, the provinces do indeed have some jurisdictional authority
on these types of issues, but develop goal curious to
know if it's not Quebec as a partner, how does
the power actually get out of here? Another one, when
we talk about the oil industry, let me bring this
up because this is remarkable stuff. So we do know,

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regardless of what your stance is on climate change, the
contribution of fossil fuels at production and then end uce
doesn't matter what you think about necessarily, But we know
that the big oil companies they've known full well exactly
what their contribution is to climate change for decades and
sat on it for decades. Here's a fascinating turn of events.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
In the United States.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Exon, who's a big operator off our shores of course
at Hibernie and a hebron So Exon is actually a
petitioned in the United States Supreme Court to grant corporations
a new First Amendment right to avoid disclosing how much
toxic pollution they are spewing and how much they're insiderating
the atmosphere that supports all life on the planet. As
written by one of the reporters at the lever so,

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when the Americans in the Supreme Court said that corporations
are individuals, of course corporations are trying to use things
like new clauses inside the First Amendment so they can
avoid any disclosure. So when people talk about regulation and deregulation,
boy oh boy, corporations of course are going to take
full advantage of that. And obviously they will right a

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couple of quick ones before you get through.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
So there's a story in the.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
News today about sea urchins. And you know d Want
Street is the president of the FFAW. I think we're
going to talk crab here this morning, but I'll be
curious to get a perspective on things like sea urchins.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
There are very.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Few licenses for sea urches and only one plant that's
processing sea urchins.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Here in the province. See if I can find the number.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
There's only thirteen of the licenses that are out there,
which there are fifty two commercial licenses. Only thirteen landed
urchins this season. The problem is the vast majority of
our shoreline where there are sea urchins are unavailable to
those with active licenses unless that's the specific license. So
is there any big issue regarding trying to keep that

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plant up and running with maximum employment to allow sea
urchin harvesters to stray a little bit outside the area,
because it's not like they're getting into and poaching on
other competitive licenses. Because only thirteen to fifty two landed
and the urchins this year, it might not be a
huge industry. But when we're talking about jobs and we've
had a hot around the program. She's one of the plant,

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she's the plant manager. Her and her husband own that
particular plant, So maybe dwe can chime in on that
particular issue if she's so inclined. Lots of concern in
the conversation at the federal level regarding the thirty thirty
trying to protect thirty percent of the country's land and
water by twenty thirty. All right, so there's plenty of
pushback here. But the massive problem here is communication. So

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when I try to look around and find out as
much as I possibly can about things like the proposed
National Marine Conservation area, the problem is, and admitted by
those who are in front of the committee, is that
communication terrible. Nobody is really one hundred percent sure about
what will be allowed at what will be disallowed inside
this proposed national Marine Conservation area off the southwest coast

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of this province. If you look as deep as you can.
They talk about sustainable activities like commercial and recreational fishery,
commercial tourism, research, a bunch of recreational activities. But we're
all at this point simply guessing. Parks Canada. The proponent
have done an evaluation based on culture and heritage, environmental sensitivities,

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but no inclusion of economic impact of this huge swath
of water that may, indeed into the future become a
national marine conservation area. But plenty ago and back and
forth about the merit behind this, whether or not it's
a numbers game. It's political versus environmental. But that's a
big conversation on the southwest coast here. We're happy to

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talk about it, all right. So apparently some announcement coming
today from the Prime Minister about steel and aluminum, because
we know they've been battered by the out of the
blue tariffs which are now as much as fifty percent
announced back in June. Not one hundred percent sure what
the announcement will be in so far as support for
individuals and or for companies, but they are talking about

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putting some sort of ban on foreign steel and aluminum
from countires that do not have a traded counterdate. That
may add up to somewhere in the neighborhood of eight
hundred and fifty four million dollars worth of additional market
potential for domestic producers. Apparently the Prime Minister is now
considering going to the United States to the Kennedy Center
for the FIFA World Cup announcement and the pool picks.

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The Prime Minister also taking a task by many people,
including liberal supporters, about the who cares comment. If you
look at the entire news conference, that stands out, but
there was plenty more to the comments that were made
so he's now apologized for it. It's remarkable as well
that everybody has to tiptoe around, you know. You just

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think about the comments coming from the Oval office and
how direct or harsh or brash or cold or direct
they may be. But boy or boy, any little reference
like that that might upset the president gets national focus
here in the country, and apologies they are demanded, and
in this case apologies was offered. But anyway you want
to take on the big trade conversations, let's go last

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one throughout the course of the sixteen Days of activism
regarding gender based violence. It's going to be part of
this program, certainly at least coming from me. So the
conversation is absolutely tumultuous and emotional and really quite scary
in many corners, but we've got.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
To talk about it.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Just look at the prevalence, and the prevalence is not
necessarily recorded by the court docket or reflected by the
court docket, because we know there are women and children,
young girls that are out through today that are on
the receiving end of some sort of level of violence
or abuse in their home. Caller, yes, and so let's
talk about it. A caller yesterday also talked about the

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fact that men might be on the receiving It's true,
it's true. It's unlikely in my mind that will be
anywhere near the extent of the violence perpetrated upon women
and young girls. The conversation then went on to there
is no such thing as the mergency show for women
for men. Women's shelters are been turning women away because

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they're over capacity, and then it went down to say,
you know, maybe for men who are fleeing violence should
be in the shelters with the women, which just to me,
and this is not to go after one particular caller,
but to me, sounds like a terrible idea for every
reason imaginable.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Should there be in a.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Mercy shelter in some part of the province for men, Sure,
and it's a conversation worth having, but it doesn't make
a whole lot of sense to me for men to
be in a mercy shelter with women who are experiencing
violence on the home front, intimate partner violence. So anyway,
let's check in on the Twitter where viosim openline follows
there email addresses open line of FIOSM dot com. When

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we come back, let's have a great show. That means
you're in the queue. The topic up to you. Don't away,
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to light them
raids and the sake it more to the president at
the FFAWS Dwan Street.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Dwan, you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Good morning, Patty, Good morning to you. So let's get
into it. Where are we in the crabs saga?

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah, so, I guess just a little bit of background
for your listeners who might not be familiar with what's
going on the last week or so. So back in April, obviously,
price setting in this province goes in front of what's
called the Standing Dish price setting Panel and it's a
process called final oft for selections a bit different than
other arbitrations. And what that means is US and the

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asp as, the two bargaining agents, will go in front
of that panel with a submission and a position, and
the decision of the panel.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
Is one or the other.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
So you either get ours or you get the ASPS
and everything that's in it. It's not like the panel
can you know, look at one price and the other
and meet in the middle, or pick and choose from
either or and make a decision what they think is
did you know it's airb And this year, of course
on snowcrab, we were successful and we were successful in

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making significant change, and that just not being a set
price for the entire season, it being a market based formula.
Investers would get an upfront payment a fair price to
get them on the water, and at the end of
the year, based on a sliding scale, receipts would be
submitted to a third party auditor, which is Deloitte, and
that final settlement price to harvesters would be determined based

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on what the actual sales of that product.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
Was in the market.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
So our submission was very very clear that the receipts
would come from all processors. It would be what's referred
to as fob plant, so that that's any product that
leave leaves the plant here in this land Labrador and
hits the consumer, and that it would be all receipts
for all five to eight and sections. So two weeks

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ago we sit down with Deloyte. Now the season's over
because sales were up until the end of October, to
bang out what's called the letter of engagement, and that
just it's like any terms of employment. It tells Delloye
what they are to do and what they are to
return to us. And when we got back the draft
with ASP's edits, you know, they tried to sneak in
deductions for broke breach fees and cold storage fees, and

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we were like, that's not that's not in the submission,
that's not in the decision. So we we convene the panel.
And the reasoning for that was essentially for the panel
to say that and to say what's in it is
in this and that's what you get. And the three
panel members kind of said, you know, why are we here.
We made the decision, and if you have any questions,

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go look at it. And if it's not in there,
well we can't provide an interpretation, a clarification or an
analysis of our own decision. And should anything come up
that's a massive dispute, it would have to go to arbitration,
and you know that's typical under labor legislation. So we
decided that was pretty clear and thought we were moving along.

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We get together the next morning, it was not last
Friday or Friday before, to hash out some small terms
that weren't really a big deal, like how the currency
provisions were going to apply in such and all of
a sudden ASP says, and the receipts are only for
thirty pounds prow in both boxes, and we say, no,
it's pretty clear in the decision and the submission that

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the only mention in the decision of thirty pounds boxes
was discussing the losing ASP submission. And we say, you know,
the word.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
All is there.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
It's pretty easy to define all means all, and they
say absolutely no. So we were a little bit taken
aback to trying to figure out why this is such
a point of contention, and then all of a sudden
we find out that the chair of the panel has
decided to provide an interpretation that the day before she
said she legally wasn't permitted to provide and it was

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just her opinion. And so yeah, here we are now
squabbling over the definition of the word ah. So that
unfortunately would have to go to arbitration, which any of
our members or anybody who's dealt with an issue when
it comes to labor, takes months oftentimes years, And that

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of course would mean that the money that rightfully belongs
to harvisers, it is their money, is being held hostage
by the ASP in their bank accounts. So we had
approached the new government and said we need some intervention
here from both ministers Guzny and o'driskill and Labor and
Fisheries wrote to the Premier and said, look, now's your

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time step in here and make this right, because obviously
this is yet another delay tactic by the ASP, another
divide and conquer tactic, which of course.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
We're used to in the fishery.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
And they did exactly that. So it was a long
week of meeting with both ministers and I will thank
them for being so accessible and often sitting in the
Confederation building last week late into the night trying to
drive into the heads of Blaine Sullivan and Kim Quinn
and what the word all means and what the Premier
has committed to is something that I'm not sure folks

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really understand the importance of, but an expedited arbitration, so
to speed that up and it would take place in
weeks rather than months or years, and that the majority
of money based on those thirty pounds bulk boxes would
be paid out asap and it would be the remainder
on the other product forms that we're going to go
to arbitration and have to douke.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
It out over.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
I mean, the fishery is so funny. You know, at
one point we didn't even have a clear definition of
what constitutes a fish harvester, and now we don't have
a clear definition of what constitutes all.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Yeah. I mean, it says too foolish to talk about, right.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
And you know when you look down through submission, the
word all is there a million times, and then somebody
can look at it and say, naw, I don't think
all means that. It means what we think it should mean.
And it's clear what's going on here. I mean Blaine
Sullivan looks at me in the meeting and says, I
can't believe that. I have to look at your members
and say, the union is holding back your money. And
it's like, hang on now, buddy, you know union is

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not holding back anybody's money here. The union knows what
the word all means. As one of our committee members
said the other day, if you put a kindergartener in
front of a table full of apples and you say, okay,
take all the apples, he's going to take them all.
And it just seems like such a simple concept. But
you know, obviously the asp throads on chaos. They want

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our members right now at each other's throats.

Speaker 8 (24:12):
They want the.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Members at the union calling the union saying what's going on.
And you know, if we've obviously been made aware of
phone calls that have been coming from the companies this
week saying, oh, you know, this is such a negligible
amount of money. We don't know why the union's fighting this,
but i'll tell you why we're fighting it. It's because
it's our members' money. And you know, if it works
out the one cent a pound, it works out to
ten cents a pound, it doesn't matter. It's our members' money.

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So it's the principle of it at this point because
if you look at the production data from twenty twenty four,
we don't have it for twenty twenty five years. Yes,
those thirty pounds bulk boxes are the majority of what
leaves this province, and it was just under ninety percent.
It was like eighty nine point one last year. So yeah, no,
we're not talking a bit big percentage. But if you're

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talking about ten percent of the crab that leaves this province, fatty,
that's still a significant mancraft.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
So we're two from here because this we'll see what
happens in the expedited arbitration process this go around.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
But what needs to change to.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Avoid this particular possibility into the future. Do we need
to sit down with lawyers and put every word that
could have potential interpretations differently on either side to give
clear definitions what all means in the future, give clear
definitions as to a bunch of other items or words
or phrases that have been interpreted differently into the future.

(25:28):
Because this, you say, it's too foolish to talk about,
and it kind of feels like it from someone on
the outside looking in, this does feel like an unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Fact to be involved in.

Speaker 9 (25:37):
So what needs to change, Well, it's clear, you know,
price setting in this province always seems to be in question,
and we've talked to previous governments and it seems like
it's kind of falling under its years.

Speaker 10 (25:51):
But there are some.

Speaker 9 (25:52):
Fixes here that can be made, and I think one
of the big ones is had a single point of
contact within the provincial government who is responsible for overseeing
price setting and these processes as we move forward, Like
Pei has this, it's somebody in government whose sole job
throughout the fishing seasons is the monitor how things are

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going to go to processors and get receipts and monitor
sales throughout the season to pick up on anomalies, because
you know, at the beginning of this season we had
a number of I we'll call to be diplomatic, I'll.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Call them anomalies.

Speaker 11 (26:26):
We all know what it was.

Speaker 8 (26:27):
It was market.

Speaker 9 (26:28):
Manipulation and trying to suppress the price and to pick
up on these things and when they happen to go
to these processors and say, okay, what's going on here?
Because unfortunately the dificially here in the province has been
allowed to operate like the Wild West, and back in
the day when the price setting that we have right
now was based on warf competition and we had twenty

(26:49):
five or thirty processors and that worked, that was fine,
and danview, what we have now is something that's been
able to just turn into a monopoly by five major,
multi million dollar companies.

Speaker 11 (27:00):
And we saw even what happened on the.

Speaker 9 (27:02):
Mainland this year when they were shipping grab up there
and producers on the mainland saying, look what you guys
have down there, we don't want that up here because
what you're dealing with down there is you know, it's
a whole different animal and we call it the cartel,
and I don't think that's very fair off how they
tend to behave right and it's just it's intimidation, it's bullying.
And I said in a million times when you have

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a processing license in this province, it's a privilege, not
a right, and it should come with stipulations.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
It should come with some goalposts.

Speaker 9 (27:29):
And how you're allowed to operate and if you don't
operate within those, there has to be some kind of accountability.
So a long winter with this new government, I will say,
meeting with Ministers of dresscol Angus and the Premier big
get Us, and I think they have a really really
key opportunity here right now to do something that hasn't

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been done in this province in a long time, and
that's to listen to the workers, whether that's the workers
on the boats or on the plants, and really really
listen to them and not to these companies who are
giving them big cash donations for their cans, and to
make a difference in the fishery and start like putting
the two facete back in the two and let fish

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officers know that this is their industry and that somebody
is not going to be able to come in Nicol
and Donvum and not.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Be held accountable.

Speaker 9 (28:18):
So I'm really looking forward to getting our members in
front of those ministers and the premier this winter to
discuss some of the things we can do to start
giving this industry back to the workers, because that's whose
hands it needs to be in. That's whose hands the
money needs to be in, and when it's in their hands,
in our communities.

Speaker 12 (28:36):
Understood.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
And I'll say this while you're on the lawne, whether
be Kim Quinlan or Blame Sullivan or anybody else representing
the processing side, would like to join us on the program,
they're most welcome to do so. A quick question at
sea urchines, It's an interesting story. Krab gets a lot
of the spotlet and a lot of the conversation here.
I suppose we talked about groundfish as well, but sea urchins,
I'll be this small component of the industry, only fifty

(28:57):
two active licenses, and there's no tax associated with sea urchins,
much like lobster is just seasonal fishing fishing, so only
thirteen licenses landed any sea urches last year, and one
plant worker and one plant owner talk about the fact
that there's some seventy five percent of the offshore where
sea urchins are not people aren't going after the sea urchins.
Why not open it up because we're not talking about

(29:18):
poaching on someone else's zone if they're not actually going
at se orch.

Speaker 12 (29:21):
So, so, how do we address this issue?

Speaker 13 (29:24):
Sure, so search is not.

Speaker 9 (29:26):
A fishery that comes up with us Austin right.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
There was an advisorie there back.

Speaker 14 (29:29):
In the fall.

Speaker 9 (29:30):
It's been a long time since I've been approached by
Harvester and Sea or since I think it might have
been about eight or nine years ago actually.

Speaker 11 (29:36):
But when we talk about issuing.

Speaker 9 (29:38):
Exploratory licenses and exploratory fisheries and grounds that might be
on fish, we went through a similar process in three
L and O cucumber.

Speaker 12 (29:46):
There a little while ago.

Speaker 9 (29:47):
And while it sounds as simple as saying, okay, we're
just going to give some folks some licenses to go
out and see what's out there, there is a bit
of a process that you need to be careful because,
of course, you see a really urishing area and you
say okay, well, obviously there's a solid resource there, but
is that's just where the resources is contracted me and

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you don't want to go in the mapa doll off, right,
So there is a process. It takes me five years
with DFO to come up with some grids to make
sure that they're serving the area properly. And you know,
if the resource is there, then obviously we certainly support
any opportunity for harvesters and plant workers on a new
resource that might pop off. But there is a process

(30:30):
and that involves getting current and potentially new harvesters to
the table to discuss that with DFO Science and Resource Management.

Speaker 11 (30:37):
And if folks want to do that, I mean, if
they want.

Speaker 9 (30:39):
Our assistant, we can certainly do as well. And I
urge them their reach out to their staff ref in
their area. But you know it does sound easy and
great on paper, but unfortunately it does take some time.
But you know, if there is an opportunity there, definitely
reach out and we're willing to work with folks.

Speaker 12 (30:55):
Appreciate the times for me and Dan.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Thank you, Thanks Patty, You're welcome by boy to answered
president at the FFAW. Let's get into a break here,
let me come back Jim Hines and the queue. Since
twenty fifteen, Jim Hines, local businessman, has contributed hundreds of
thousands of dollars to initiatives at the ron C, including
the mental health support dogs. Stella, who for some unknown
reason is no longer part of the fault, became aware

(31:19):
to the general public that the iron C and Chief
Roach we're denying requests after requests for Stella to be
involved in one organization or another, and then all of
a sudden, Stella is no longer a part of the picture,
doing some different kind of work here now in victim services,
but for some reason not part.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Of the RONC fault.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Jim is not only talking about Stella in the past,
but also what happens to police dogs upon retirement. Jim
Hines right after this, don't go away, welcome back. Let's
go to land number one. Good morning, Jim Hines around
the air.

Speaker 12 (31:49):
Good morning, Patty, how are you, todays Kin?

Speaker 15 (31:51):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
How about yourself?

Speaker 10 (31:53):
Pretty good? Patty, pretty good? Thanks for taking my call. Patty.

Speaker 16 (31:57):
I thank you along on your email earlier this morning
about a petition that's been put out by a conservative
member of British Columbia about.

Speaker 10 (32:06):
Retired police dogs.

Speaker 16 (32:07):
And basically what he's trying to say is that there's
a petition there that these dogs when you retire should
be continue to be looked after by their employer, which
is ninety percent of the time as a police force.
The way it works now is that, I mean these
dogs are born, they go usually adopted out to a

(32:29):
family or an officer for two years to become a dog.
Winter two years old, an officer will go to probably
Innsvale and Alberta and they'll train for four to six
months and then destroy dog.

Speaker 10 (32:42):
The dog works for six.

Speaker 16 (32:44):
Years and then when the dog comes eight years old,
it retires. And the saddest thing about all this most
police dogs the only live two years after retirement, which
is heartbreaking. And the reason for that is them die
with cancer, which is terrible. But they're warning, oh, I
mean they give all. I right now have two police dogs.

(33:09):
I have one from the rn C Pleae dog Dally,
who had a catastrophic spine injury on the job a
few years ago and had to retire early. It took
two years of rehab to get her walking and so
on again. But I'm very proud to say that the
the RNC looks after one percent of their dogs in retirement,

(33:32):
only police forcing CANDA. So I'm very proud to say that,
and everyone should be pretty proud to say that as well.
So Dally's medical attention and even her foods looked after.
I think right now there's three police dogs in retirement
from darrant See and they are looked after one hundred percent,
which is rightly so, I mean, and over the years,
it took me several years with Superintendent Ballan at the time,

(33:53):
and then when he became cheap, it took three or
four years to finally agree to do that. Unfortunately it's
the only police force now. Back in September, I very
proudly please RCMP please, dog Chaos was retiring and his
handler was getting another dog, and it's pretty difficult for

(34:13):
these handlers to get a second work dog, you know.

Speaker 10 (34:16):
So he reached out to me and I was totally
thrilled to adopt him.

Speaker 16 (34:21):
So he retired September eleventh and I adopted him out
and from the RCMP, and he does some great work.
These dogs had he like most of the casts to
get or the help. They're good at chasing bad people
and getting bad people Most of the stuff they do
is helping the good people in society, you know, who
have mental health issues, who you know, go away and

(34:42):
enough feeling good. The dogs track them down. They're very
good at that. But right now, I mean I have
Chaos and zero funding, zero support from the RCMP, which
I think is wrong. I mean, Chaos is a great dog.
I mean he's done some great work.

Speaker 10 (34:59):
He has some healthy shoes. I mean they all do.

Speaker 16 (35:01):
When they're retiring, they warn up. I mean, these dogs
don't work four on and four off. They work all
on and none off. And I mean you're a dog
one of yourself. Everything you train your dog to do,
these dogs were trained.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Not to do so me.

Speaker 10 (35:16):
And they'll come in and get up on your counter
and get everyone there.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
You know.

Speaker 16 (35:19):
It's not easy to have a police dog. But I
think it's absolutely shameful.

Speaker 10 (35:23):
That the you know, the the air CMP do not
support these.

Speaker 16 (35:26):
Dogs in retirement. I mean it's absolutely shameful. I mean
I was in yesterday. I picked up a bag of
dog who Chaos has some medical issues. And since I've
got him, I mean I've spent over five thousand dollars
to get him, and he is a very healthy dog.
Now he's just getting over a little procedure.

Speaker 10 (35:44):
He had done. And I picked up a bag of
dog food.

Speaker 16 (35:47):
Yesterday for almost two hundred and twenty dollars, got a
special food. And you know these dogs only live too,
you know, average of two years after retirement.

Speaker 10 (35:54):
I think it's shameful that.

Speaker 16 (35:55):
They are CMP and you know, do not support these
dogs into retirement.

Speaker 10 (36:01):
I mean, the iron Cy were very smart. I mean
they they got.

Speaker 16 (36:06):
True they have insurance on the dog, so Truepanion actually
looks after these dogs and the iron CE pays their premium.

Speaker 10 (36:12):
So I just wanted to bring to the attention.

Speaker 16 (36:14):
I mean, this petition is out now by a member
Aaron Gunn in Conservative Cocuse in British Columbia, and it's
on the federal government website. And basically they asked and
the Prime Minister to intervene here and these dogs should
be looked after retirement, to give all to the community.

Speaker 10 (36:29):
They should be looked after.

Speaker 12 (36:30):
By the community.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
So has to be shameful, I agree. So what's the
process currently at the RCMP. So the dog is retiring
and then what they just asked the general public to
adopt and then they just turned their back financially or otherwise.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Is that as simple as that?

Speaker 10 (36:44):
It's it's as simple as that.

Speaker 16 (36:45):
Patty, like the handler who had chaos, he's gone on
to get another dog. This is fourth dog, a great guy.
You mean, he has you know, a big area look after.
So basically I got a document from Darren Cee saying
I take responsibility for this dog in every way, shape
and form, including all financial responsibility. So they don't get

(37:06):
five cents and it's absolutely terrible. But meanwhile I got
Dally who had a spinal injury, which was a horrific injury,
and true Panion Insurance has paid to rehab that dog
north of thirty thousand dollars and rightly so.

Speaker 10 (37:20):
That dog was hurt on the job.

Speaker 16 (37:22):
These dogs are through injuries, are on the job. And
you know, if an ERNC officer or an arson P
officer retires, a person retires to look fafter. So what
is the difference, I mean, you know, and unfortunately it's
not like a twenty year deal here. I mean, these
dogs live a couple of years because they're worn out
and their injuries are from their job and they should

(37:43):
be looked after. But I mean I got that dog
and it's one hundred percent my responsibility to look after
and pay for it, which I don't mind, but I
think it's for everyone else, including handlers. I mean handlers
most of the time take these dogs and retirement and
it's a big expense to take on and it's not
for everyone, you know. So it's to ask your question, No,

(38:03):
I take the dog and our CMP gives zero.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Oh my, there, with so many issues facing the RCMP,
just add this to the list, I suppose it seems
pretty callous to me.

Speaker 12 (38:15):
Jim, do you have to have a Stella update?

Speaker 3 (38:16):
I think Stella and christ Fhagan are working on the
victim services, but I'm not entirely sure.

Speaker 15 (38:20):
Do you know.

Speaker 16 (38:21):
No, Unfortunately, Patty Stella and christ are still a mean
we're into heading over.

Speaker 10 (38:28):
It was over four years, which is absolutely shameful. But
I do have a renewed, renewed hope.

Speaker 16 (38:33):
That I mean, there's a new administration in there now
and uh, you know the federal the provincial minister Holden
that was there. He didn't see the benefit in Kristen
Stella and the chief that's there now. So hopefully the
new minister and I know she will mean to see
that I mean a shameful that that dog is home
with Christa, you know, off for medical reasons and could

(38:57):
be doing so much in the community. I mean, look
at this just the summer, Patty, with these wildfires. How
much work could Stell have done out there and put
the smilest on these people faces and Stelle and Chris
as at all. That's another shameful thing that needs to
be resolved as well.

Speaker 12 (39:11):
I appreciate your time this morning. Thank you all right, Patty,
thanks very.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Much, my pleasure, Bye bye. I mean, it's such you know.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
I mean, there's tons of big things in this world
to worry about, but it just seems pretty harless. I mean,
as p LA enforcement agencies, they are quite proud of
the work done by canine units, and for obvious reasons,
but the work doesn't stop when the responsibility doesn't stop.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
When they are no longer.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Useful to your law enforcement agency, you think it should
be their responsibility to ensure that they are involved. I mean,
and Jim says, on average, the dogs only live a
couple of years after they retire from law enforcement. Oh boy,
let's get a break in when we come back. Doctor
Shiela Garland, who's the director of Mon's Sleep Health and
Wellness Clinic is in the queue, then you don't go away,
welcome back to the show. Let's go to the number two.

(39:56):
Take it more to the director at Month's Sleep Health
and Wellness Clinic. That's doctor Garland.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
And good morning doctor Garland around the year.

Speaker 14 (40:03):
Good morning, Patty. How you doing this morning?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
That's about it's all. How about you?

Speaker 14 (40:07):
I'm great.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Let's talk about tonight's presentation. Then we got a couple
more questions for you. What's happening tonight.

Speaker 14 (40:12):
Yeah, so it's my first time doing a public.

Speaker 12 (40:14):
Presentation in a bar.

Speaker 14 (40:17):
So I'll be talking about sleep as an important component
of cancer survivorship at the Wooden Walls Distilling building down
on Water Street at seven pm.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
And so what's going to be the content of the presentation?

Speaker 14 (40:33):
Yeah, so this is part of Memorial University's Research Week,
and so they're really highlighting the work that I've been
doing over the past decade to not only better understand
the role of sleep and cancer survivorship, but also look
at ways that we can address sleep at a target
to not only improve you know, how people sleep, but
improve how they're functioning, so their ability to return to work,

(40:56):
think effectively, concentrate, pay attention their you know, fatigue levels, mood.
So really highlighting sleep as one of those things that
you know, it might not seem like it is, you know,
the most pressing target, but when you improve that, you
make such a cascading difference everywhere else in someone's life.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
I think most everyone could appreciate how important sleep is
for your overall well being, your health, your mood. But
it's quite another thing to recognize how to sleep better. So, like,
I'm a poor sleeper and I've tried all the tricks
of some of the recommendations you've made. It's made some difference,
but not a great deal. So how do I approach
that whole thought of trying to get more sleep, a

(41:37):
better sleep, a deeper sleep.

Speaker 14 (41:40):
Yeah, well you're in a tricky situation too, with you know,
the being on the radio and early and nights and
everything else like that. So you know, some of those
other factors are not minor in terms of you know,
kind of the overall health and well being. And I
think you know, there is no perfect sleep recipe. And

(42:00):
sometimes when we kind of just like try things off
the shelf without having kind of a formal assessment by
somebody who specializes in it.

Speaker 17 (42:12):
You know, they don't work as well.

Speaker 14 (42:14):
It's kind of like if you were, you.

Speaker 17 (42:16):
Know, wanting to improve your health.

Speaker 14 (42:19):
By going to the gym, right, just trying a bunch
of like random machines at the gym, you know, may
not actually improve your physical fitness all that well and
might add to more frustration. But as part of like
a comprehensive program, working with somebody who specializes in that,
that's when you can get at the nuances of like, oh, okay,
we have to put these things together or we have

(42:42):
to understand, you know, how we're approaching this differently.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, I mean I used to have bad habits of
leave the TV on my phone close by, and all
those things were just I think caused me to wake
up and check my phone, which is a terrible habit.
I no longer do it. Those one of the recommendations
that you gave me. So the presentation side, it is
one thing. Let's talk sleep in broader strokes, things like

(43:05):
the seasons. Do people sleep patterns change with the seasons?
You know, we talked about having the blues or being
down in the dumps during seasonal effective disorders and those
types of things.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Well, how does that rate to sleep?

Speaker 14 (43:16):
Oh, certainly. So. Exposure to light is one of the
most powerful anchors for our circadian rhythm. And I know
it's not a popular thing to say, but the shift
to standard time is actually better for your health. So
having that light in the morning rather than in the
afternoon or evening early evening hour is actually more in

(43:38):
line with your regular circadian rhythm, and that anchors you
to be able to be awake and productive. Although in
the night it can cause you to want to kind
of curl up and maybe stay inside, and that can
influence mood by people not engaging in social activities that
they would like to. I took a trip to Iceland

(43:59):
last year in December, and so they only get four
hours of daylight during the December winter season, and I
appreciated how differently they approach things. So they made things
a lot more sestive than I think we through here.
There is a lot more kind of events going on,
a lot of kind of outdoor lights, and you know,

(44:20):
outdoor activities, things to get you outside to kind of
draw you out and still draw you into that community.
So you know, it's a real thing to be able
to say, you know, yeah, I just don't feel like
going out. It's so dark, it's cold. But there are
ways and you know, things that we can do to
enhance our ability to connect with other people and get

(44:41):
that social social kind of connection that we need so much.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
For the listeners.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
And I guess for me, if we are talking about
improving our sleep, you know, people tell me things like, well,
some fresh air before you go to bed is a
good idea. Some people tell me maybe showers a good idea.
Melatonin up and down the line. Are there some just
general rules of tom about trying to improve your sleep?
Because you see people going to over the counters, the NYE,
toills and whatever the other product is all the time,

(45:09):
and apparently the use of those types of pharmaceuticals in
this products is way up.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
So what should I be doing?

Speaker 16 (45:15):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (45:16):
Absolutely so, I think it's kind of counterintuitive. I think
a lot of the time, the more we try to
fix our sleep, the more anxious and the more frustrated
we get, which actually increases that pre sleep arousal and
makes it even harder for us to sleep. So if
we're trying to fix something and it's not working right,
that can make it even more frustrating to do it.

(45:38):
You're right about sleeping medications, and I know I'm part
of a panel that's doing the talk on Thursday night
at Memorial University on how to get off of using
sleeping pills to help you sleep. You know, really it
is sort of a comprehensive package. A lot of what
happens is, you know, we're so busy during the day,

(45:59):
and you know, minds are just racing, and a lot
of things that maybe we don't even want to think
about during the day.

Speaker 17 (46:05):
We distract ourselves.

Speaker 14 (46:06):
And then what happens is when we no longer have
those distractions. We don't have the gadgets, we don't have
the phones, we don't.

Speaker 12 (46:11):
Have the TV.

Speaker 14 (46:12):
You know, these are when a lot of these thoughts
come back, or maybe you know, you just find yourself
planning what you're going to do for your you know,
net Dave meal or something like that. So it's like
moving those thoughts outside of the bed, making sure that
we have appropriate wine down time prior to bed. I
think we put a lot of work and effort and

(46:34):
on ourselves to you know, be really productive and do
all of these kind of things, and sometimes that just
eats into our sleep time because we haven't given ourselves
the proper transition between wakefulness and sleep.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Give us the details.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
One more time, Doctor got about tonight's presentation your first
public presentation though, Yes, so.

Speaker 14 (46:51):
That one is at Wooden Walls Distilling on Water Street,
and that's at seven pm tonight.

Speaker 12 (46:56):
Appreciate your time, Thank you, thanks so much.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Bite welcome, but by doctor Shield Garland, the director at
Month's Sleep Health and Wellness Clinic. I admit freely. I mean,
it's not like there's any sort of big secret or
it's not a confession of character shortcomings, but I don't
sleep well. And she said, you though, maybe I have
a slightly unique situation about what time I get up
and what I kind of do for a living and

(47:19):
what have you, which might be.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Part of it, I suppose. But even prior to this,
I was a poor.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Sleeper, and people give me recommendations all the time, all
the way from the old school warm milk to fresh
air to melatonin.

Speaker 12 (47:33):
And I probably should have asked her. Just popped in
my mind. Now ceebd.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Many people use ceebd as a sleep agent and apparently
very effective, so it's something I have not tried, but
I suppose I could in the future. Let's see whats
happening on Twitter orre vism open line. You can follow
us there and I constantly get emails. How can you
don't talk about this? How can we don't talk about that?
Or sometimes what do you talk about anything happen to
do with the United States? Well, I don't know how

(47:57):
we can avoid it. Air can produce into the future.
You may indeed go to a grocery store, I head
a lettuce or ahead of broccoli from the United States
may indeed have been sprayed with pesticides that include pfats,
those forever chemicals.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
So someone tells has told me, I guess.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Every day this week that you know, you shouldn't talk
about things that are absolutely misinformation. That's not misinformation, it's
actually posted on the EPA's website. So it's real and
it's dangerous and it's ridiculous. Let's get a break in
for the news. We'll make come back. Tons of time
left for you. Don't go ahead, welcome back to the show.
Let's go to LIGHTE number four.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Good morning Wayne here on the air.

Speaker 10 (48:35):
Goodday Patty, how you doing very well?

Speaker 1 (48:37):
How about you? Very well too, Patty.

Speaker 18 (48:40):
Why looking forward to Christmas now.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Less than a month?

Speaker 19 (48:44):
Yay, Patty, Yes.

Speaker 18 (48:47):
They called this mornings.

Speaker 19 (48:48):
I've been following this so called seafire and gather and
I was really hurting watching the news the other day
to know that there's actually a Newfoundland doctor, I believe,
maybe even she's a trauma surgeon, a last sword and
who's in Gaza helping the Palestinian people.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
But I understood that.

Speaker 19 (49:13):
She said that they doctors there in Gaza being targeted still,
but he is readily military.

Speaker 10 (49:21):
And I don't know.

Speaker 19 (49:22):
I find that pretty low down, pretty disheertening that they
can't the Israeli people can't find in their hurts or
give direction to netting Yahoo do letll well.

Speaker 18 (49:35):
The ceasefire has been declared. But on that note, I
don't have.

Speaker 19 (49:40):
A great amount of confidence in the seafire, but it
is quite a reduction down from the warring that had
been going on fire too. But again, Hardendu here that
our little province here is one of the citizens gone
to Gaza, found it in her hurt and soul through
health the people of Palestine.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
The cease fire has held for the most part since
it was announced first and of course I was phase
number one in the mediators, whether it be from.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Katar or Turkya or Egypt or what have you. But
long term peace in the region.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
I mean, we've been talking about this for decades, right,
and people still refer back to October seventh being the
start of all this. It's not the start of all.
This is decades ago. And yes, I heard the story
about a doctor from this province in Gaza. And I
don't know what the second phase is going to look like,
nor do I know if it's going to be anything
more than a real estate transaction, which seems to be
the most called way to approach this possible.

Speaker 19 (50:43):
Peddy, I feel the same way about, unfortunately, that this
is a great real estate transaction between the President of
the US and the boy came from Hugh's reeldest son
in law and net Nyahu. I'm hoping beyond hope that
it isn't there because the Palestinian people, of which stood

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more than any other culture and any other peoples on
the problemise in humanity from the Israeli government.

Speaker 7 (51:14):
I think they all have to.

Speaker 19 (51:15):
Take responsibility since they're driving the war. But a little
break right now is called the seafire. But I think
if you look, if you've been watching the news as
I have, what do you see is if a child
in Palestine breaks.

Speaker 18 (51:30):
When that's the next use to the Israeli government to
bomb them.

Speaker 19 (51:34):
Is totally crazy world over there for sure. But anyway,
we're coming on Christmas, and I hope beyond hope that
they can everybody can find a time to lay down
their weapons and think about what the world would be
like if there weren't wars.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Which is a utopian dream. You know, Humanitarian eight is
not getting into the level which it needs to. And
one thing that I've said this repeatedly, and I stand
by this, it's becoming more and more difficult to really
understand what's going on and who to trust regarding reporting,
because it's hard to put much faith in reporting come
from the Hamas Health Authority. It's hard to put faith

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in reports coming directly from the Israeli defense forces. So
it's hard to know. When you see the visuals of
just the rubble that is now Gaza City, is it's wild.
Support inside Israel itself is waning for both the war
and for Benjamin Not and Yahoo. So I mean, I
don't really know what to say about it. But some
of the visuals, some of the stories you hear are

(52:35):
absolutely heartbreaking. But again it's hard to know exactly who
you can trust.

Speaker 13 (52:39):
Here, Petty.

Speaker 19 (52:42):
All news that comes out of Israel is not really news.
It's all driven by the propaganda machine that's the Israeli
government and they have said it off now so that
you can't get actually news reporting from Palestine because they
will not allow the International News Agency to operate there,

(53:02):
so you have to listen to their word. But given that,
you know the propaganda machine is often working quite well
in Israel, that you can forget about anything coming out
of There's news is propaganda.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
I like you, it's a lot of that going around.
I appreciate the time, Wayne, thank you well.

Speaker 19 (53:23):
I appreciate your time to Petty who take.

Speaker 11 (53:25):
Care and I hope you and your family and all listeners.

Speaker 18 (53:28):
Have a great Christmas.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Very same to you, Bye bye, take care.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
It is very difficult to discern the things you read
and see in here, and again, you know, just in
the vein of how come we don't talk about this
is the war in Ukraine and this so called proposed
peace plan twenty eight point piece plan, there's call logues
that have been released publicly, So what has been put
forward by whether it be Secretary of Rubio and or

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the White House itself or Steve Witkoff, who's the main negotiator,
who's has Russian ancestry. Look, the reports and the collogs
that have been released and not disputed by the Americans
pretty much say that the peace plant is simply dictated
by Russia given to Rubio to the release of the
rest of the world. It basically just looks like the

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facto capitulation as much as anything else. But that story
is developing and it is wild. Let's go to line
number one.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Howard, you're on the air, good hearning pactic.

Speaker 13 (54:26):
How what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (54:27):
I'm doing okay. How about you?

Speaker 13 (54:29):
Well, not that well, I should say, because I lost
my spouse about three months ago.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
I'm really sorry to hear that, Howard. What was her name?
What was her name?

Speaker 13 (54:42):
Her name was Jocelyn, And of course it didn't have
to happen she lack of a month or so though
before this was on the thirty first of August, which
was a Sunday prior to Labor Day weekend, and the
that night, and of course she was up three or

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four times, and I asked her what the problem was,
and she said, I think I got another infection. That's prairie.
So I said, okay, when you comes back, when we
get up mass some breakfast all I.

Speaker 7 (55:13):
Take you over.

Speaker 13 (55:15):
How remember women having breakfast? I taught about it because
a month or so before that I have her over
to the healthcare center. And we were waiting that long there,
maybe about seven or eight hours, nine hours, and at
three point thirty we had to leave him come back home.
Now I am a senior, by the way, I was
born before confederation. I'm eighty three years old now and

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the spouse was eighty one. So what I'd done when
we got up, I phoned Hamlets to Hamlets, and he
came and took her over. I went with her, of course,
one thing another, and after a few hours there seven
or eight hours, six or seven hours to send her
back home. They discharged there. We came back home, and

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later on we got the bid of course, and I
noticed that she was still cold. One thing another, but
she was saying she was cold. So anyhow, about one
thirty two o'clock I phoned the Hamlets again. He came
and picked her up and we took her to the
hospital again and listing about twenty twenty four hours she

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was passed away. And it didn't have to happen.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Excuse me, now, you take your time, no problem.

Speaker 13 (56:34):
Were married for sixty two years. And when you lose,
did you based your family? I understand you're married, and
the state thing is going to happen in your case
one is it's going to die before another. But then

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we took her back by the hamless and she went
sipped the matter of a few while she was dead, listened,
listened to two days and the syndrome this chart. He once,
I give me four prescriptions at that time that day,
the night, Sunday night, and you couldn't find anything open,

(57:17):
any drug stores or anything. And the same thing happened
to me when I was in my late sixties, sixty
six sixty seven. I was taken directly from my family
doctor's practice at his request to kill over, picked me
up and I had a little short a while afterwards,
they send me home again. In other words, the attitude

(57:38):
would be, you know, to take a few time lost
three or four times a day, you'll be okay. And
then I went I can't remember a month and a
half and in the shaffold actually shavefold and while I
got hit stone hoardered. And I want to put on
that person on the on the hidstone. The cause I
did for my lady, for my lady was they refused

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their health care.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
I got to do it.

Speaker 13 (58:06):
Eighty one years old and she wouldn't sick, not that
she had cancer or anything like that. The shameful because ridiculous.
There's people out there, you talk to them, you know them,
and you when you're becomes a senior, this picular particular age,
if you're talk down to. I've had people tell me,

(58:27):
you know accid and you know, I worked for fifty
years pased tens of thousand of dollars into the economy
this country. I'm not a stamper, not a stamper. Worked
for years and years and years some big jobs. And
this is the way you're being treated, the seniors. If
there was a button on the bawn here now, from
my opinion, that could be pushed to eliminate everybody over seventy,

(58:52):
you'd have people, no problem to push the button easy.
Your harmer's got to to apologize for being here. Seniors
have the seniors advocate the other day that rather parts
of Canada, only in New for Land, they're getting treated
way where seniors are than they are another promises. Shameful,

(59:13):
very shameful, and this god forsaken the world. I was
born and raised in Newfoundland in the outport, loved the
way of passion for the last twenty years. This is
not the same island. This is not the same island
as shameful and right now I educated that way at

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fortune are educating them and they're not there on the island.
Only got one on the island now where I have
living by myself now and my angel is to call
her there's gone.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
My condolences to you, Howard and your family. Where are you?

Speaker 13 (59:55):
And Jocelyn from I'm from another peninsula, Daniels Harmer. We're
living in Pasadena now. We lost our over in the
landslide the last twenty years, you know of being they
were lost over in the landslide. You see one that
went over that wouldn't mind. That was the brothers right

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alongside of me. But I'm so ashamed of being a
New Foundlander now. It's unbelievable. Never never thought, never thought
was possible to feel this way. But we I refer
to seniors. I was talking to one person there a
few days ago, a hellardy guy eighty eight years old,
and he's basically the same as Tidy. He said, you

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almost gotten apologized for being there, and I'm not going
to apologize. But there's not a very safe place for
seniors now. And I'm ashamed to call myself a Newfoundlando
right now. I loved it with a passion first, but
the last twenty years is gone. I got two files

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here now, one is mine. They're about two and a
half inch a thick. One cost me ninety dollars minded
because he's too heavy, or I had to ended up
back there. Man the joys passed away and he worked
on and brought me to and thirty dollars for my spouses.
And I'm so ashamed. I'm so ashamed to become myself

(01:01:22):
a new for Lander now because a lot of New
Flanders don't know New for Land like I know it,
or maybe you know it. You're ar over the years,
and there's a very lot han't that be seniors. There's
a lot of seniors being good, God bless them, happy
for them, but they wouldn't be It wouldn't my spouse,

(01:01:43):
So you know it's shameful, shameful, Howard.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I'm sorry for your pain and for your loss. And
how are you yourself healthwise?

Speaker 13 (01:01:56):
Well, sir, I'm not very well. A lot of that occupation.
I'm sorry. Back turned nigitis. A few years ago, about
sixteen years ago, I died. They brought me to they
come to my family doctor's practice I live in Pasadena
now and picked me up at his request and took
me off to the hospital in Korra Brook And a

(01:02:18):
few hours after we send me back home. I would
own three days. I can't remember. A team for a
month and half. My spouse was she was told that
I basically may not survive and act as signed documentation
to do in the organs. My spouse wasn't that lucky
they refused their health care send her all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
It's a terrible set of circumstances.

Speaker 13 (01:02:45):
I was over yesterday to the hospital because they put
in the complain three months ago now to me to
you on which he deemed it on the on the
the first to Septem. I was there. I was there.
Very humorous, beautiful lady.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
You've mentioned that she's a humorous slater.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Lady do you want to give us some examples of
the tupee humor that Jocelyn shared with you and the
love that you shared.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Maybe a story about her.

Speaker 13 (01:03:23):
Well and excuse me, though she was basically involved in
church work, Knitton said, you know, she could knit like
you wouldn't believe. She mings woseweaters for me in different things.

(01:03:45):
And we spent about when the family grew up. We
educated our family and they went the way to work
at one down in the in the state she lists,
and two on the mainland, as the say it goes.
And I got a son there in Saint John's and
they're all getting up in years now, up under sixties
some of them. And we had all this time together.

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Like when we got moving around, I worked in a
seven or eight different places on some big jobs on
the eye Burnie Is and the tyror those jobs, and
into the mining and those kinds of things, and everywhere
I had to go out to take her with me.
We had to miss the boat worlds, and now the
world's crassed.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
How would I appreciate your time? I wish you well
into the future, sir, and thank you for making time.

Speaker 13 (01:04:35):
My biggest hope is I'm eighty three years old, now
eighty three years old. And you know, I'm just open
that I'm not around from my songer.

Speaker 7 (01:04:47):
We got.

Speaker 13 (01:04:48):
I was over to the hospital yesterday and we had
a you know, I couldn't get nobody to talk to.
A couple lovely ladies there, Yes see, you know those
kind of things. But the managers of the systems, because
this did not have to happen an honor headstone is
basically gone. That the cause of it was lack of healthcare.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Howard.

Speaker 13 (01:05:11):
That's not nice, No, it isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Nothing about this is nice. And I wish you well
into the future, Howard. And I hope you are doing well,
and I hope you'll be around for a lot.

Speaker 13 (01:05:20):
And I don't have any future. There's no future for me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I hope you can find one. I really do.

Speaker 13 (01:05:31):
Sorry about you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
You're not bothering me. You don't tell me apologies for
anything under the sun. And I wish you well in
the future. And once again, my deepest condlences to you
in your family.

Speaker 13 (01:05:39):
I guess you read the the you know, the Senior
for Advocates reports one thing another I do, yeah, yeah,
she said the air different land. We as seniors are
being we're the most expendable group of people, we're the
most explinable group.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Yeah, we're due to have miss walls.

Speaker 13 (01:05:57):
I've heard about seniors. You know it's you know, you
got it. And when I go into a place now
waving at a coffee shop or tea shop, whatever, are
always sitting back to the wall because the things that's
happened in there and deer like they're a short while ago.
And of course one gentleman thereed well, I could not

(01:06:21):
do on account a gentleman made away with your grandmother.
So that's me. The teams. I've heard about seens. I
remember we built a one did room cabin, one did
room now cabin, and I was trying to get the sewer,
the lights for it power, but you can't have it onless.

(01:06:41):
You got an emphasis on the certified sewer system. Do
you want me only single income living on it? Just
the income? The same as I was having a crowd
hate children for three undred sixty five days a year.
Where's the commis sence? Comment sense is gone? Just our

(01:07:03):
biggest single problem though, is the commis sense lack of
commas sense in this promise. It's time we live with commissense.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
It's certainly a problem and a growing problem. Howard, you
take good care of yourself.

Speaker 13 (01:07:16):
Ah, you try, I try, Thank you much.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Bye bye, You're welcome, bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
And you talk about complaints. I gave out a number
yesterday for what they call client relations and it was
at Eastern Health. Now it's been updated Newfland Labador Health
Services has a new provincial Patience relations office. So that's
feedback complaints and or compliments. And so here's a telephone
number that you might want to have if you do,
indeed want to offer a compliment or a complaint to
n L Health Services. It's told free one eight four

(01:07:44):
four seven seven six four to four zero zero.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Let's take a break, don't go away, welcome back. Let's
go to Lene number three. Good morning, Rod, you're on
the air. How are you okay? How about you?

Speaker 15 (01:08:00):
Heart has broke after listening to that last collar, Yeah,
but I had I wanted to call and tell about it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
A very incredibly good experience at the emergency department. But
after looking listening to.

Speaker 9 (01:08:18):
That man.

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
And he's desperate situation that breaks my heart. So you know,
I just wanted to share if I had something bad
to say or on. You know that you don't figure
out like that. Poor gentleman just now I would say
it just like he did. But I will leave that

(01:08:44):
there with my heart, you know, in the kitchen with him.
But I believed, I'll go back to my situation. I
believed on Sunday and Sunday I believe I was having,
to the best of them more knowledge. I mean a
heart attack, and I'm not smart enough to actually figure

(01:09:07):
it out, but i mean pains, crash the chest and
these kinds of things. Everything that sort of said, rad
you better not be your own doctor. You better go
somewhere and paint out underneath the arm. So there was
every reason to believe that. And it's sharp pains across
the chest. So everything sort of said, rack, get yourself
to the emergency department, and so I did so. And

(01:09:36):
forgive me if I'm forgetting that. I'm pretty sure it
was Monday morning, and anyway it was, it wasn't it
didn't seem to be a panic, but the team you
better go to the hospital. I arrived at the Health
Science at at about four o'clock in the afternoon that
it was the most civilized time in the last ten

(01:09:58):
or fifteen years, I visited the health sciences in particular,
and I've seen the craziest and the saddest and the
most confusing and frustrating and mad patients and overworked medical staff.
But on Monday, when I got there, there was a

(01:10:21):
little sign up at the tree ash window and there
was two people only in front of me, but the
room was full. But generally speaking, everybody was as peaceful
as you ever could be. I was only about twenty
minutes before I was called in the tree ash and
took some broad work in these kinds of things. So
what was going on. There was a sign in the
window that said, generally speak and if you're not falling

(01:10:43):
down half did you might expect to wait up to
six hours? And I said, well, you know, it doesn't
seem as bad. Last time I was there it was
over twelve or fourteen hours, but so I was comfortable
enough to see it. And you know, just as you
look around, everybody was peaceful. Now a lot of them

(01:11:05):
were in pains. Nobody I don't think anybody wanted to
be there, but the staff were incredibly ploys. They do
have other staff added to the system who sort of
walks as an overseer in amongst all those waiting to
be seen, So that was an added thing. It's sort

(01:11:26):
of if somebody got really frustrated, somebody's right there watching
and they would call it. If you started a foight,
they would have security here in the seconds. But there
was no need of any of that. I have never
seen it so peaceful. I had first class service and
respect throughout that I was there. I got there four

(01:11:48):
o'clock and I was released about two o'clock in the morning.
I waited about six hours, and then I was somehow
into the system, and it took the rest of those
hours to get assessed and the doctor to see you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
The staff were acting in such a calm, efficient manner.
None of them were stressed, to my awareness. They were
all incredibly attentive to what was going on, and they
took care of those needy quickest, and everybody else sat patiently.

(01:12:28):
When I did get in, I saw the most wonderful
nurses and doctors, one doctor in particular. I mean many
of them, not many because there's a short staff. But
I could not say anything bad other than I wasn't
feeling too good. Turned out that apparently I was not

(01:12:50):
having a heart attack. So like the other gentlemen sort
of eluded to, you were generally allowed to go about
your business. It didn't seem an emergency situation where they
needed to admit me, which was comforting. It was sort
of like winning the lottery in how I felt. But Patty,

(01:13:13):
the good thing was that it was such an efficient
working under the stresses that live in this department. I
could not be more appreciative to all that staff and
how they have remanaged the whole affair. And it was
when I left, I didn't dance across the parking lot,

(01:13:37):
but by god, I had a better feeling.

Speaker 7 (01:13:41):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
That I didn't lose the game and goodness, and I
was quite happy to be able to leave.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Well, I'm please you had that type of experience and
hope you're doing well.

Speaker 12 (01:13:52):
Rod.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I got to get to the break of a bit late,
but nice to have you on the show.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
So it's only you know you got something bad to say,
get them to stand up and say it. But if
you got and good to say, the world and the
people all over New Finnland need to hear it. And
better days are ahead if we can unlock our piggy
bank on the off shore. All of these problems we're
having is about lack of money, and we are not
even Alberta's trying to get their take care of their resources.

(01:14:18):
We're not allowed ours are locked up and basically in
Newfoundland you just stay on welfare. We got no hospitals,
doctor schools, and it goes on and on. Every problem
I hear on your show is directly related to the
money we're not allowed to spend and develop offshore. I
leave that which but I appreciate that staff in that
building when they get to see you. You're safe.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
That's the good news, right. I appreciate your time. Take
good care.

Speaker 6 (01:14:45):
God blebs, you think care Bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
An exact opposite opinion might be shared by our next guest.
Let's get to the break when we come back. Associate
Scientific Director and the Department of Physics and Physical Oceanography, Transforming.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Climate Action coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Doctor Chris Paduska joins us right after this, don't go away,
welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number
five and take it more to doctor Christen Paduska, Professor
in the Department of Physics and Physical Oceanography. I'm Amoral
University and the Associate scientific director at Transforming Climate Action,
doctor Padusca, Nice to meet you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
You're on the air.

Speaker 17 (01:15:21):
Thanks very much, it's nice to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Great to have you on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
So the title of this panel is the Human Dimension
of Transforming Climate Action. What's the human dimension?

Speaker 17 (01:15:33):
Yeah, So this is a panel discussion and it's focused
on how research related to oceans and climate and people
all intersect. And so this one is hosted by Memorial
University and it's part of Research Week, and this is
an annual celebration that highlights Memorial's internationally renowned research expertise.

(01:15:54):
So one of the goals here is to encourage more
multi disciplinary collaboration and research. But another equally important part
is helping to get the word out to the broader
community about what professors and students do here at Memorial,
which is important.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
You know, we talked about tuition for tuition costs and
infrastructure or depth said up, mom, but let's talk some
research and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
We're not going to talk to the politics of climate.
We're going to talk about the science of climate.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
So when you talk about bringing forward all these multidisciplines
to find that nexus, just help us understand what the
oceans meaning as far as the carbon sync and then
we'll talk about the acidification as a result.

Speaker 17 (01:16:30):
Sure, So basically, it turns out the ocean is really
protecting us against some of the worst impacts of climate change.
It actually removes more carbon dioxide from the atmosphere than
all the rainforest on Earth combined. So the challenge is
that it's not really well understood how carbon is stored
in various parts of the ocean, or how long it
can do that. And so that's why there's a lot

(01:16:51):
of critical scientific questions and everyone needs these answers. So
without really understanding the ocean's role in this part of
mitigating climate change, there is a risk that we're going
to have problems meeting climate targets. And also then that
is what we need to have in order to really
mitigate the worst impacts of warming on the planet and local.

Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
Effects as well.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
What are we using as a percent to carver that's
sunk into the ocean? Is this somewhere in the neighborhood
of thirty percent, is at the scientific number that's used.

Speaker 17 (01:17:22):
It's actually closer to ninety percent of yours carbon.

Speaker 12 (01:17:26):
Really, it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Obviously, I don't think about it, No, you don't think
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Well, you know, it's amazing we know probably more about
space than we do about the world's oceans, which is remarkable.
This might be a dumb question, but it's a complex subject.
So I'm going to give a shot. What's the difference
between the carbon sink and the oceans that includes but
they refer to as a biological pump versus solubility.

Speaker 17 (01:17:51):
These are really good questions, and I think this is
one of the really wild things is that these numbers
are really not well known. So there's estimates and they're
certainly guidelines, but it's not really clear how these things interact.
And so this is a global, big research challenge, and
that's one of the questions that this research program that

(01:18:12):
I'm involved with is transform a climate action program, is
designed to do. And just for context, this is a
huge research program. It actually brings together more than one
hundred and seventy researchers across many different disciplines, and we
have memorial are working with colleagues at deal Hoousie in
Nova Scotia and two universities in Quebec as well. So

(01:18:33):
this is a really concerted effort to try to answer
that question that you just asked, which turns out we
don't really have a good answer to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
One of the issues.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
And I've read a couple of things on this floe,
but this way over my head though. So they talk
about just how much carbon is absorbed by the world's oceans,
but as a result is the acidification of the oceans,
which reduces the ability for carbon sync at least the
things like big harmful algae, blooms of what have you.
So as much as we have to appreciate how the
ocean gobbles up so much of the carbon, it comes

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with an aftermath of regarding assidification, can you help us
understand the relation between the two and what that means.

Speaker 17 (01:19:11):
Yeah, Like, in very simple terms, the more carbon dioxide
we have in the atmosphere, the more that interacts with
the ocean and basically just boosts a little bit of
that acidity. And so for small amounts, this is something
where the ocean can sometimes adapt, but it's hard to

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know when we reach points where that won't be possible,
and it's going to be different in different locations, and
so basically this try not to get too technical here,
but basically these are some of the kinds of questions
we're trying to understand because these are not situations that
the ocean has encountered in this way before, and so

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there's a lot of questions about how to measure what's
actually going on and how to help make changes that
can can sort of mitigate those challenges.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Again, I sometimes struggle with the science, But so what
impact does the fact that it seems to be that
the ocean's currents are changing insofar as how carabn is
stored or sunk into the ocean?

Speaker 17 (01:20:18):
Oh did you ask about the currents?

Speaker 9 (01:20:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:20:21):
Yeah, So those are really complex systems, but they're well
established in terms of how the ocean currents move. So
everyone knows here in Newfoundland that we end up with
kind of wild weather because we have the warm Golf
current that's meeting us sort of off the coast of
Saint John's and meeting with the Labrador current. And so

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those are two basically, those are two portions of that
overall cycling that helps play a role in how weather forms.
And basically there are concerns that as atmosphereic tempers tures
change and weather patterns change, that these circulation currents could

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change a bit, and so that would have other knock
on effects, and so one of the challenges here is
we can watch what's going on, we can measure what's
going on, but we also need to try to predict
what could happen. And so one of the interesting things
about this research program is getting more information so that
we could use to have better predictions for what we

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think could happen. And then if we notice things are
changing in one way, to keep having that information on
hand to understand and predict where we might be running
into problems in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
What impact does wind have? If any.

Speaker 17 (01:21:46):
Wind certainly has an interesting effect because it blows over
the ocean and that changes all sorts of things. That
changes how rapidly the aerror interacts with the ocean, and
that includes some of the CO two, the carbon dioxide
that's in the atmosphere, and how that interacts with the water.
So it turns out when actually is an important part

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of a lot of climate models.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
And these are things like the shifting car ands and
the wind patterns I suppose, primarily in the southern hemisphere
are things out of our control. So how would the
lay person absorb the research that you're about to produce
or compile with these multidisciplines coming together.

Speaker 17 (01:22:25):
Yeah, So that's a really great point, and that kind
of brings us back to the panel because one of
the key pieces of this particular panel is that we're
focusing on the people centric emphasis of what we're trying
to do in our research program. So it turns out,
in addition to the science piece that you asked about,
and thanks for asking about the science, one of our

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broader goals is also to help develop more people centric
adaptation solutions and that involves talking with communities. So the
researchers in the panel today come from a variety of
different disciplines which I could talk a little bit more about,
but basically they're all looking at different ways that they

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can work with communities around the province in order to
understand more about how these changes to the ocean and
potential changes to the ocean have impact everybody's daily life here.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
So what would be some of the disciplines involved in
this type of panel?

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
So, I mean, are we talking social worker or government
policy creators or doctors narcises?

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Who's involved?

Speaker 17 (01:23:32):
Yes, I can see you read the posters, so thanks
for that too. The panel includes two researchers from Memorial's
Grenfell Campus in Cornerbrook. One of those is doctor Erica
Sam's Hurley from nursing, and there's also doctor Kelly Bowden
who's from environmental policy. It also in both two researchers
from Memorial Saint John's campus. One is doctor Katrine Doucier

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from archaeology and doctor Isabelle Coote from political science. So
these are not disciplines you might normally think as being
involved with climate, but they're leading great research teams as
a part of this program.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Last one for you, Chris So, and don't answer if
you don't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Do politicians get it because there's so many complex issues
out there, whether it be in the moving products of healthcare,
or even an education it self, post secondary and otherwise
criminal justice the fishery. For me, it just feels sometimes
that politicians.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Might just not get it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Maybe the senior bureaucrats the name is faced. Those bureaucrats
may indeed have a better grasp, but politicians on these big,
complex matters comes across and I'm not pretending to be
the smartest guy in the room, not at all, but
it kind of seems that they just don't get it,
or maybe policy just doesn't line up with political polland.

Speaker 17 (01:24:48):
Yeah, so it's a really challenging question and that is
one of the things that we try to pay attention
to in this research program. So we're of course not
making policy, we're not directly lobbying politics. But what we
are doing is we're working with a lot of students,
we're working with a lot of communities, and we're trying
to help understand where people have concerns, what people are

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interested in, and to also then try to help make
sure that the data that we're collecting and what we're
understanding about that can be communicated to people who want
that information and need that information. And so I think
it's a real challenge to try to make sure that
we're balancing a whole bunch of different demands and needs

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because we're all living in this province together, but we're
also part of this global this global challenge, and so
you know, probably the biggest risk is not doing anything.
And so one of the things that we're trying to
do is make sure that that information that we're getting
and you know, what we see as you know, potential
outcomes based on different kinds of scenarios, can can be

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passed along so that it can help make it easier
for people who are in those positions.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Yeah, and this is not an insult to you or
anybody else, but doctors talk like doctors, A scientists talclic scientists,
politicians talk like politicians.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Is trying to find that public crafted message where.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
More and more people can understand what we're talking about
because a lot of scientists talk over many people says,
including mine, same thing for doctors and absolutely politicians.

Speaker 17 (01:26:19):
Yeah, it's a real challenge. And so this is why
we want to start talking with people and find out,
you know, learn more about where the questions are.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Anything else you'd like to give us about maybe details
of the panel discussion, if people can get involved, anything
you like to add for those details before we say goodbye?

Speaker 13 (01:26:38):
Sure?

Speaker 17 (01:26:38):
Thanks, Yes, the panel's taking place today at three thirty
pm on the Saint John's Campus of Memorial. But it
turns out you can also join online. So the easiest
way to do that you register to get an online link,
and the easiest way to do that is just search
online for one research week twenty twenty five, look for
the event at three thirty pm today. You'll also see

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turns out, dozens of other events that are happening, so
there might be other things of interest.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
I appreciate your times, roaring doctor Prlusca. I enjoyed the chat.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Thanks very much, pleasure, bye bye. That was interesting on
some of it over my end of course.

Speaker 12 (01:27:12):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
But that's that's the trick, though, isn't it for academia
at the highest levels, when they do their research and
they display their expertise, is how that information makes it
to people's minds like mine. So I'm not a scientist,
I'm not a doctor. It's how do we all grasp
what they've worked on. They may indeed understand it in

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full amongst the disciplines that will be involved in the panel,
but how does that information make it to me today,
to you so we can understand and know how to
well what to do about it. Let's get a break,
gook away. Welcome back to the program. For those of
you in the queue, stay right there. I own a
squeeze up against the news, and you know, predictably a
couple of interesting emails flowing during that break, base on

(01:27:55):
the conversation we just have with doctor Pudusca. And the
very first one that I knew I was going to
see is why didn't we ask her about carbon tax?
Because carbon tax is a political policy. Carbon tax is
not research being done. You know, economists due research on
things like implications of price on pollution, carbon pricing, carbon tax.

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And again I've said this many times, and I think
it's the facts of the matter is when anyone brings
up climate change, if the very first thought that goes
through your mind is carbon tax, that kind of derails
the conversation, though, doesn't it, Because climate change is the
science of a carbon tax is an economic tool that's
been utilized by different governments.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
And we also have many.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
People pretend that this is the only country on the
face of the earth that's ever had a carbon tax,
whether it be the consumer carbon tax which has been
legislated out of existence and or an industrial carbon tax,
which is simply not the case. Tons of countries around
the world to it. And an interesting case study there
is one of the details we do know about the
broad strokes of the MoU between the federal government and

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Alberta regarding a pipeline to the BC's north coast, which
who knows if what's ever going to happen is for
that to get some fast tracking through environmental laws or
protections at the federal level. They're going to absorb a
higher stricter carbon industrial price, which is I don't know.
It's a contrast, to say the very least, with their

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stance as recently as five days ago.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Let's get a break in. Don't go ahead.

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Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Welcome back. Let's go to light number one. Good morning,
Mike here on the air.

Speaker 20 (01:29:48):
Good morning, carry How are you this morning?

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
I'm doing okay. Thanks, how about you?

Speaker 20 (01:29:52):
Ohnald Teller. Let's just say I had a couple of
a couple of comments. I've got a seventeen year old
little terrier. Today is actually his birthday, so Vet, and
now he is seventeen. His health certainly has started to
deteriorate over the last year or so, and recently he's

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you know, his eyesight he's not very good, his hearing
is not very good. Well, you know, he's still fairly active,
but recently he started to take seizures so we decided
that it was time maybe to have a little end
of life, you know, for him being you know, he
certainly had a good life we've had over seventeen years,
went with with the humane So I reached out to

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Humane Services this past weekend and they offered, you know,
a euphon asia incremation program.

Speaker 5 (01:30:38):
Through the city.

Speaker 20 (01:30:40):
But I would have just had to drop him off,
you know, and just kind of leave him there, and
I said, no, after seventeen years, I can't just drop
him off, you know, like it needs to be more
of a family involvement. So we've decided to We're we're
doing a little home care. The veterinary will come, We'll
come to our house and take care of the euphan
asia force in the comfort of his own home so

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he can be a little bit more relaxed. So we
just yeah, as you can imagine, me, my wife both
work minimum wage. The vet cost is exorbitant, so we're
just trying to you know, set up a little golf
on me to see we can get a little bit
of help. That's all to try to ease his transition.
What's your dogs to anybody wants to Romeo.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Romeo Romeo the terrier. What kind of costs are you
looking at for an at home procedure?

Speaker 12 (01:31:27):
Do you know?

Speaker 20 (01:31:28):
For euphanasia and the cremation without returning his ashes is
a little over six hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
It's kind of the number I was thinking because when
we had to put our last dog down, it was
in and around that and that's a number of years ago,
and it's extraordinarily expense. I mean, vet services, especially mercy
services can be really costly as in the end of
life process as well.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
So I'm really sorry to hear this. As a pet owner,
I know how hard this must be for the family.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
So have you absolutely you've set up like the go
fund me. I just checked by Facebook when I during
the news break, and I think that'saw yours.

Speaker 5 (01:32:06):
Yeah, I did. I just I just tagged you in there.

Speaker 20 (01:32:08):
So if anybody wants to go to my Facebook page,
it's Mike Heating on Facebook. They can see the link there.
You know, every dollar helps. You know, we've got some
money for the way because the City of Saint John's
service was like two hundred bucks.

Speaker 18 (01:32:20):
We could afford that.

Speaker 20 (01:32:21):
But you know, like I said, as minimum wage workers,
I mean it's you know, it's it's it's it's quite
the cost, but he does he deserves something a little
bit more than just just dropping them off to humane services.
Not that there's anything against that. I'm sure it's a
wonderful service. And well, you know, I think my family,
my kids, my grandkids need to be there when he
when he crosses over Rainbow Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
How completely understand that sentiment and it makes sense to me.
So what's the title having to go fund me?

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Mike?

Speaker 20 (01:32:51):
It's Romeo's end of life? Is the is the title
on that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
I appreciate your time this morning. I wish you well.
This is a difficult time for sure, but do you
take carry yourself.

Speaker 11 (01:33:00):
Mike, Absolutely, Thanks, Teddy, have a great day you too.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
All Yeah, I mean every now and then, when we
bring up pets in the vet services, of course it draws,
it pulls on the emotional heartstrings because of course it does.
And I mentioned because we had the experience that there
are number of weeks ago. Is it was on a
Saturday night where we thought, well, we've got to bring
the puppy to the vet and just found out at
that time that the one veterinarian in the clinic on

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Freshwater Road was the only VET on the island off
of emergency services.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
That evening, which is amazing to me. Now, what do
people that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
Live outside the northeast ABLANDU Do you simply not have
an opportunity to go to the vet? Do you have
to get in the vehicle if you're in Gander and
drive three and a half hours to Freshwater Road in
the city of Saint John's. I thought it was amazing
and then we have a bunch of back and forth
about what's the best idea pet insurance are simply putting
money into an account for if and when your dog,

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your pet has to go to the veterinarian. We chose insurance,
whether or not the right thing, this is what we did.
The direct building kind of made me feel a bit
better about it that Saturday night too. Let's go line
and number four sec you more to the Liberal member
for Conception by East Bellata, the opposition critic for Energy
and Mind.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
So that's Fred HoTT and Fred around the air.

Speaker 21 (01:34:13):
Good morning, Patty. How are you today?

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Very well? How about you? Not too bad?

Speaker 22 (01:34:18):
It's nice, bright sunny day, although it was cold this
morning of course, with the with the bit of ice
we had overnight in frost on the roofs around the house.
But look, the reason I was calling you this morning.
I heard a large portion of your preamble, which included
your commentary on Premier Wakem State of the Province address
to the Saint John's Board of Trade yesterday, and you

(01:34:39):
basically hit the nail on the head, asking a lot
of the questions that we're left asking following this. And look,
I know that they're brand new here in informing government
and it's a tremendous learning curve to get up to
speed on all the things that are inside there, and
the ministers trying to wrap their heads around huge departments
and so much going on. But I mean, I just

(01:35:00):
I wanted to sort of clarify, and we put out
a release on this last night related to some of
the commentary that was made by Premier Wakem yesterday to
the Board of Trade, and some of it is related
to Mind's Energy and Minds, which is of course the
shadow critic that I'm covering these days in my new role.
And yesterday and you mentioned this as well about the review,

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the Independent Review. I mean, obviously they've been there for
you know, a little over a month now and they're
trying to get up to speed and get a group together.
The question remains, who is this, who is going to
do the independent review, who is going to pay for it?

Speaker 10 (01:35:36):
If there has to be an.

Speaker 22 (01:35:37):
Independent review, whether you believe there's a timeline or anything
else involved with you know what politically is going on
in Quebec. There are some deadlines that we have to
reach here that concerned me and a possibility of a
missed opportunity. And you know, one of the questions is, well,
who's going to do this. We've had reviews done by

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JP Morgan Chase, by Power Advisory, by Steike Man Elliot,
the law firm out of Toronto that reviewed the law
firm's work that was done here. And look, if we're
going to do another review, let's get it done. Who's
going to do it and who's going to pay for
it is one of the questions. And how long will
it take? The Premier says up to about sixty days.
That gets us into early in the new year. And

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if you lop off a couple of weeks because of
Christmas break, the timelines do concern us and the possibility
of a missed opportunity, and I want to be clear,
I would never have supported this if I didn't think
it was a good deal, but I also wouldn't support
it once the definitive agreements come back. What we supported
last January in the House of Assembly when we had

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that special debate was the ability to move forward and
to get the definitive agreements in front of us, and
what they will look like would determine whether or not
I would support it. And John Hogan had said when
he was Premier that there would be a free vote
at any member of the House, including his own caucus,
could vote whatever way saw fit. I don't want to
have my name attached to something that people are going

(01:37:03):
to be talking about in forty years.

Speaker 12 (01:37:06):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:37:06):
What we voted on last year was the process to
continue down the road to definitive agreements.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
Yes, it's with Quebec.

Speaker 22 (01:37:13):
Yes, I've got a beef with how they, you know,
basically reap this lion's share of the nineteen sixty nine agreement.
Until now we've got an opportunity to change that. And
having been on the inside to see the needs and
wants of the people of Newfoundland and Labrador, you know
the money would really be helpful for this province, but
not at the cost of whether or not Quebec would

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get another sweet deal as they did in nineteen sixty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
So I've said this on the show in the past,
that things would be different here had your government followed
the Lablas recommendation of this type of capital expenditure, this
type of contract to get an independent review, not a
political appoint e three person panel, but whatever the premier
is actually planning on doing. Now pick a company, Goldman Sachs.
Why didn't the government do it at the time? This

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was all always going to be the case. This was
absolutely predictable that this level of review that the public demands,
if it's not going to be done, then here we
are a timeline problems.

Speaker 22 (01:38:08):
But JP Morgan Chase did a review of it, and
they also did it, but they couldn't review the term
sheets or the definitive agreements they reviewed the MoU because
the term sheets and the definitive agreements didn't exist when
they did it when they did their reviews. So the
other question is are they still engaged? Are those companies
which have the continuity and the history, are they still

(01:38:30):
engaged in this? I mean and like just parts that
mister wakem talked about yesterday. He talked about jobs were
not fought for and protected in the current MoU. It's
categorically false what he said. Hiring protocol exists right there
in the environmental assessment for Gull Island. It ensures that
the workers are hired, and the order is already set

(01:38:52):
in us set up there. It's for the inw nation,
residents of Labrador, residents of the island, and then the
rest of Canada. And it's also made clear that the
Church will Falls expansion under the MoU will require it's
going to require its own EA, it's own environment assessment,
but will maintain a similar hiring priority for all people
in Newfoundland. Labrauord that same order we just gave a

(01:39:12):
new Labrador Island residents and then Canadians and then beyond.
I mean, it's there, but he's saying things that are
categorically false.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
It's the same benefits agreement regarding Muscraft Falls. That's just
construction phase though, to be fair, and I think it
was adhere too to the tune of around ninety percent
if I remember correctly. But a lot of the work
that will go into engineering, pre engineering, all of that
type of stuff will absolutely be in the hands and
the companies in the province of Quebec. So those are
a lot of jobs, and lengthy jobs, because that's throughout

(01:39:43):
the entirety of the project itself, all the pre engineering
into construction and then aftermath will indeed be Quebec jobs.

Speaker 22 (01:39:52):
Another question that you asked this morning, Patty, was you know,
the going at alone aspect of muskrat Falls, which got
us into the trouble we are. And look, I don't
think for a minute that Danny Williams signed off on
the muskrat Falls deal back in twenty ten, or Kathy
Dunderdale signed off on the twenty thirteen sanctioning of the project,
or for that matter, Joey Smallwood, who signed off on

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the agreement back in nineteen sixty nine, thought for one
minute that we would end up getting these huge, you know,
bills or in the sixty nine deal case, lack of
revenue from it. I don't think they thought for one
minute that they did that intentionally, but it did happen.
And one of the one of the fallout bits from
going it alone and not involving Quebec is the fact

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that we're stuck with a five hundred dollars five hundred
million dollar a bill year to mitigate rates so that
your electricity bill, if it was three hundred dollars, didn't
jump to five hundred and twenty six. You know, we're
not making any money off that down the road. Yes
we'll own the asset. I did a post on it
about something a couple of months ago or a couple
of weeks ago, and yes we will, But I mean

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in the interim right now, it's costing us a half
a billion dollars a year just to have that there,
and then we still have to, you know, try to
run the treasury here in the province, and going it
alone is not really an option. I don't think we
have the ability or the appetite. But forget about even
if we had the appetite to do it, we don't

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have the ability as a province to pay for that
deal on its own. And one of the realities of
the whole situation is the geography. The geography is that
we're landlocked in Labrador, and in twenty forty one, when
that agreement runs out, people need to know, and they do.
Quebec Hydro still owns thirty five percent of Churchill falls,

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and they will in perpetuity unless they decide to sell
it to us or to somebody else, you know, So
they're still going to have their hand in that pie
at that point in time, and the border will still
be there. And unless there's political will in Ottawa to
make sure that there is a national corridor for energy,
how are we getting that electricity to the eastern United
seyboard unless we're going to go down through Labrador, across

(01:42:03):
the strait again, down the Northern Peninsula, the southeast coast,
southwest coast, sorry, and across to Nova Scotia like we
did with the Ameera line, which costs billions extra. I mean,
you know, I certainly would like to get our pound
of flesh out of Quebec for the sixty nine agreement.
But at a certain point in time, you've got to,
you know, let that go. That's not going to happen.

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That's in the past. We need to learn from the past,
but we need to look at the future and know
what potential is there.

Speaker 6 (01:42:29):
Now if in two or three.

Speaker 22 (01:42:31):
Months, if they do a review, an independent review, which look,
if we're going to do it, let's get it done
and prove once and for all that this is a
good deal for Newfoundland and Labrador, and if it isn't,
I won't be supporting it at that point in time.
But at least we get the chance to explore it
and we will understand whether or not this is something
that can deliver up to a quarter of a trillion

(01:42:52):
dollars to the Newfoundland and Labrador treasury, and that's the
services that are provided to the people of the province and.

Speaker 6 (01:42:58):
Pay off some of the debt we have.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
I'm not even entirely sure what the premium means by
we will develop the upper Church or expand the Operchurch,
we will develop goal. I don't think it means that
it's necessarily one hundred percent we go it alone. It's
all under the auspices of New flannd label or Hydro
and whatever contractor contractors are brought in. I don't know
exactly what he means by that, but anyway, I suppose
it as soon be time to have the premier back

(01:43:20):
on now that he's had an opportunity to sift through
some of the files and some of the issues. I'd
also like to know a little bit more about what
he says regarding the deficit. It could be worse. Okay,
how how much? What have you learned some of those
things which I think are fair questions. Fred, I appreciate
your time this morning. Thanks a lot, Jeff.

Speaker 22 (01:43:38):
If I could just quickly add as well, look about
the referendum piece of this, Patty, like when do we
vote on a referendum? Do we vote on the definitive agreement?
Do we vote on what the MoU part was? Because
will they might be different and we could do a
referendum on the MoU and then in two or three
months time, after an independent review and the final agreements

(01:43:59):
are there that might be somewhat different and people might
have a different take on it. And look, I want
to just quickly mention as well, I know you're up
against the clock. We just had a great meeting with
IOC a lab West, myself and a couple of my colleagues,
Bernie Davis and Lisa Dempster, talking about the future there.
Maybe I can give you a call next week sometime
to talk about the mining industry and what's happening in

(01:44:21):
IOC in relation to their job reductions but their future
outlook which is positive for lab West and for Newfoundland
and Labrador.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
I should add appreciate the time for it. Thank you,
Thank you, Patty, have a great day you too, Bye
bye for I.

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
Tuton is the Liberal member for Conception based Allowland shadow
critic for Minds and Energy. Let's get a break in, Cavell,
your next to talk about nursing school. James wants to
talk about the seniors benefit than you don't go ahead,
welcome back.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
Let's go to line number five. Cavell, you're on the air.

Speaker 17 (01:44:48):
Hi, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
How are you. I'm okay. How you doing?

Speaker 8 (01:44:51):
I'm good, Thank you. I just wanted to call to
just put an awareness out there regarding like applying for
nursing progra here in Newfoudland. So I moved here from
Ontario about four years now, which I had did some upgrading,
and I attended a college in Ontario and I was

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working in the medical field for seven years there. So
now with me moving here, I was trying to apply
for the nursing program here. But they're telling me now
with my high school transcript, that I'm not able to attend,
that I need to go back and get twenty one
different credits here in Newfoundland. So I said, But if

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I was still living in Ontario, I would be able
to attend that nursing school up there, And I said,
I have experience. I've also graduated with a college degree,
and I'm not able to attend college here in Newfoundland
unless I did those upgrading credits for a high school credits.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
First, I've heard of this.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
So your high school education and graduation is not enough,
doesn't satisfy entrance requirements at the nursing school that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
Month, right exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:46:13):
And I've also I graduated and I worked in a
medical lavisist and technician for seven years in Ontario, which
I graduated, So I also have a college degree and
they're not taking that into account either. So you here,
you are with a severe nursing shortage in Newfoundland, and
maybe this is half of the problem. People could be

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applying trying to get in to take it, and it's
deferring people from attending. Like myself now, I'm deferred because
I don't want to go back now and attend to
do another twenty one high school credits of like grade
ten math and everything. Meanwhile, when I finish college math,

(01:46:55):
So do.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
You know exactly what's missing from your trans You mentioned math?
Are they honestly telling you have to go back and
do grade ten math or yes, yes, great ten math.
Did you do math in high school? You have to
do It's one of the things you have to do
to graduate.

Speaker 21 (01:47:12):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (01:47:12):
And I also went back because I did upgrading to
attend my college program. So I went back and upgraded
and did another math, another English, and another bio in
keem what credits that I took in college. And they're
not accepting me. They're saying I have to go back

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now and do twenty one more high school credits.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
Yeah, when I went to high school, one course equals
one credit, but I think that's different these days. So
how many courses is twenty one credits?

Speaker 17 (01:47:47):
That's what I have to figure out.

Speaker 8 (01:47:48):
Well, I was kind of really disappointed when I was
talking to her, because now I need to do I
think two more math, a couple more English, another chemistry.
But it's a lot more credits that I need, which

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I don't think it's fair. I shouldn't have to.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
The first question I would have is why is this
the thing?

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
You know, all these different rules for entry regarding where
you had your high school education or did post secondary
and all the rest of it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
A national standard kind of makes a bit of sense
to me.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
You know, we don't have to have the exact same curriculum,
but the same standards for when you graduate high school
to be eligible for entrance into UBC or Memorial University
or Queen's or U of T or whatever the case
may be, regardless of the discipline. Look, I just don't
understand why it's so fractured out there, because it just
ends in confusion, just like you're experiencing.

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
I now, so am I.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
Yes, we'll go directly to the source and see if
we can't get some additional understanding from the I guess
the registrar at one about the different schools and what
people need to be aware of because you got caught
off guard, and I understand why, because if I was
in your circumstance and I thought, well, I've worked in
the profession as I think you said, of technologist, and

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I've graduated high school. How does that not make me
qualified to enter month's nursing school. I don't have an answer,
but I'm going to try to get one.

Speaker 8 (01:49:16):
Yeah, and it's very it's heartening because there's such a
severe shortage here, and maybe that's half of the problem
is people who are trying to attend the program aren't
able to get in.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
I think every seat is full, but that's no excuse.
You know, understanding eligibility and the requirements for eligibility is
something that I think we all need to be well
aware of.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
A cavell let me know if you're pursued or how
this ends.

Speaker 8 (01:49:39):
Okay, I will thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
I appreciate your time. Bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
You know, I know there's been some changes here about
you know, certainly through Atlantic Canada we had this recognition
of professional accreditation regarding doctors and whatnot, which.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
Just makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
And again if you went to an accredited university or
med school wherever, and we can make a list right. Look,
if you want to Trinity in Dublin, you shouldn't have
to jump through endless shoops and the paper warfare to
be a doctor in Cornerbrook. Like, I just don't know
what goes on there. Plus talk about residents of positions.
How many Canadians who have trained abroad to become doctors

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can't come back to the country and perform as medical
doctors because they can't get a residency spot because of
course the medical schools, which is only seventeen in this
whole country, those residency spots are taken up by just
those grads. How many hundreds of Canadian born doctors who
went to wherever the University of Johannesburg can't come back
and I operate his doctors. Strange stuff. James, you stay

(01:50:41):
right there to talk about the Senior's benefit and then
we're speaking with you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Don't go away the Tim Power Show during the conversation
weekday afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Welcome back. Let's go to light number three. James, you're
on the air.

Speaker 11 (01:50:55):
Yes, good morning, Patty, good morning. I'd like to have
asked you. I'll listening to your program and I thought
I missed part of it about this subsidy for old
age pension. Could you tell me that working.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
Or are you talking about the provincial Senior's Benefit? Yes, sir, okay.
So it's all based on your income, like most of
these benefits that are out there, and if you file
your taxes and your individual income or your net family
income is up to thirty thousand and seventy eight dollars,
that if you're under that threshold, you qualify for the

(01:51:31):
maximum benefit, which is fifteen hundred and fifty one dollars.
Now it floats all the way to net family income
up to forty three three hundred and I think it's
fifty dollars on a floating scale. So you'll get a
percentage of the maximum benefit. You don't have to apply
for it. If you file your taxes and your net
income is that or lower, then you will automatically get

(01:51:51):
the benefit coming to you.

Speaker 13 (01:51:55):
Okay.

Speaker 11 (01:51:56):
Is this based on your last year's taxes?

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
That's right?

Speaker 11 (01:52:00):
Okay? And when are we expected to receive this if
you're qualified.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
My understanding is it comes out quarterly, so the same
time that you'll get your federal GST credit, you'll get
the Senior's benefit. It's not on the GST check, it's
a separate thing. But it comes out quarterly on the
same schedule.

Speaker 11 (01:52:18):
Okay, So it's not a lump sum. This quarterly the
same MISTERST.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
That's right.

Speaker 11 (01:52:25):
Okay, No, because my wife qualified for that, but she
got her GST this morning and there was no other money,
so there's nothing you know.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
My understanding is the budget twenty twenty five means the
last GST check of the year will be the first
Senior's benefit that flows. That's how I understand it, and
if she didn't get it, then I don't know how
or why that is the way it is. It is
administered by Canada Revenue, but it is provincial money.

Speaker 11 (01:52:56):
Okay, all right, one other questions. Okay, maybe I was
an understanding. Right, So it's the last GS to check
it year, I think, which is January. I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
Yeah, because it's the government is a fiscal year, it's
not January to December.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
It's generally March to March.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
So the dates for GST or for the Senior's Benefit
or the Income Supplement are January, April, July, and October.

Speaker 11 (01:53:24):
Okay, well, that certainly straightens it up, I hope. So okay, well,
thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
I appreciate your time, James, thank you, buddy, byebye. Yeah.
I mean that's how we're told it flows.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
So if you are eligible and did not get it,
then we will help chase it on your We have
to try to figure out why because it was once
again part of budget twenty twenty five, so it's not
like it hasn't been a thing over the last number
of years. There's an increase comment Premier wakem has said
he's going to increase the seniors benefit by twenty percent.
I suppose that means we'll have to wait for that

(01:54:00):
increase as part of the next year's budget. I assume
and assume assumptions are dangerous. That's got a line number one.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
Good morning Wayne, you're on the air.

Speaker 6 (01:54:10):
Good morning Patty, Thank you for taking my call. Happy
to do I talked to earlier this year. I'm a
member of the fund raising committee for Saint Paul's Church
in Trinity Trinity Bay. We're trying to raise a couple
hundred thousand dollars to fix up the roof on this
historic church. We've up to date in the last seven
or eight months, we've raised one hundred and thirty thousand dollars.

(01:54:31):
We've been very busy as a fund raising committee, and
I'd just like to remind people that on December second,
Tuesday coming is a giving day and we're willing to
know that we have a donor who's willing to match
up to ten thousand dollars for people who would like
to donate before December to second on midnight. So let

(01:54:54):
me just like to get that out there.

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
That's a pretty generous offer of matching up to ten
thousand dollars fantastic or whoever that person is.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
Good for them.

Speaker 6 (01:55:02):
Yeah, it's a pretty secret, but we don't mind that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
No, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
And sometimes you know, I appreciate the quiet donation versus
the big gloss. You need a photo op and have
it an announced on VOCM donation to be honest with you, So, Wayne,
what's the actual cost replaced the roof on the church.

Speaker 6 (01:55:19):
Well, we had a rough against him, and I guess
because we don't know what's in under the shingles of
a couple thousand dollars. We're going to do it in
a couple of stages because we're the first stage. Now
we're going to get the main roof done. But we
have hingles bought and paid for for the complete roof
and most of the materials, like we had to get
molding in at done because you know, you just can't

(01:55:43):
go and buy that. We had to get acquirved and
everything else. And we pretty well got everything in place,
contractors ready to go. How we need is some more money.
So anyway, this thing I'm giving Tuesday on November second.
It's a great way for people at the end of
the year. If they like to make a donation to
a good cause. This church is very historic and of

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course any time they turn on most of the news
of the first thing flashes up as the Saint Paul's
Church in Trinity, And so we figured we'd like to
get the word out there. If anybody can help us out,
be vaguely.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
Appreciated, and hopefully you get the help that you need.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
And you point out an important issue here is you
have a rough guess as a water might cost, but
once you haul the shingles off, who knows what they're
going to find.

Speaker 21 (01:56:28):
Yes, it's the church was built innteen ninety two. There
has been working on on it over the years obviously,
but you know the roof right now we got there's
more work that needs to be done. But we've got
to stop the water from coming in, which is a
you know, a big concern right now.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
So and can cause the.

Speaker 6 (01:56:46):
Way that if you, if the people want to, they
can do a need transfer to Saint Paul's Church, Trinity,
all small letters at gmail dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:56:57):
Wayne Fingers crossed to get the money you need and
for that doll that generous owner willing to match ten
thousand dollars that's brilliant.

Speaker 10 (01:57:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:57:03):
And the other way you gave it to Canada helps
Oh okay, okay, thank you for.

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
Taking our call, our pleasure way and take good care okay, okay, bye,
good bye.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
Yeah. You know, it just leads me to think about
some of the issues that many communities.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
Have had about when they were told their churches and
parash halls and other properties were being sold off.

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
And you know, they would make very similar comments, Hey,
how does the Roman.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
Catholic Episcopal Corporation This is not a relation to Saint
Paul's out in Trinity, is how does the Roman Catholic
Episcopal Corporation in Saint John's deemed that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
They own this church.

Speaker 3 (01:57:38):
Some communities, under their own steam, built the church, maintained
the church, renovated the church, refurbished the church all of
their own accord with their own money, and the provision
of a preach was basically the responsibility of the Episcopal corporation.
But yet so many congregants now have nowhere to go
because it got sold loft from under them. There's a

(01:57:58):
couple of exemptions to it, like Holy Rosey out in
Portable Call South, which was a very interesting story from
start to finish all right, let's say that checking on
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Speaker 1 (01:58:11):
Open linea fiocum dot com. Final break in the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:58:13):
When we come back at snow clearing, and then there's
whatever you want to talk about. Don't go away, welcome
back to the show. Let's go line number two.

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
I know you're on the air.

Speaker 7 (01:58:22):
Thanks for taking me called Patty, No problem, buddy. What's
the bezel about the snow plain? We are seventy one
eight hour shifts with the show. Blue was sent by shovel.
Now there's a beezel about it. Not on the west goal,
not in west of Grand Paul's a nonnyvana versa noney

(01:58:47):
your name. I mean the Henders got the goal and
the part Trust got goal. Why in the Roadblode.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
It's a fair question.

Speaker 3 (01:58:57):
I mean, I've heard more about what zones aren't getting
covered versus the zones of which are partly roots, the
fourteen roots that are getting covered. You know, we had
Barry Patton on the Minister Transportation and he said pretty
much that this is phase number one and I suppose
and for folks who do not have their roots covered
twenty four to seven. You know, even when we talk

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about the difficulty in hiring fifty operators, twenty five part time,
twenty five full time, it's going to be tricky enough
to accomplish that this winter season. So I suppose that's
part of the reason as to why it will be
phased in year over year. And I don't know what
next year holds, but that's pretty much what the minister said.

Speaker 7 (01:59:34):
Ferdy. We never read nord Spreader North standard. We shovel
we shoved three loads five don truck eight hours. We
had three eight hour shifts and three aged twenty four
when I was one school. John never come on said
and never had it, remember that, Yeah, he said, we

(01:59:56):
never had twenty four hours now here yet the power
project in twenty sixteen that year.

Speaker 15 (02:00:05):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:00:05):
It's all acrost, the all not, but shouldn't be. You
think people going to the airport three or four o'clock
in the morning and going to Rosville doctors, nurses. No
road cloud ain't gonna work. Buddy. You're getting a petition
on viewer now, and do you get the people met
down Vona Versa. I'm going to see you right now.

(02:00:25):
Someone's going to know it Yeah, we've been talking about
mister pat and he's going to have to have snow
clear each of Grandpas and Viewer and Donalvessa.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
And the Greater Peninsula and the Translerbator Highway.

Speaker 3 (02:00:41):
I mean, there's lots of reasons why, you know, first
responders might have to be out there, whether it be
the police or an ambulance or whatever the case.

Speaker 7 (02:00:49):
Act the O today two police stairs and Hamstahn up
kill over drive I don't know where or to public
cross and they probably someone killed. Le always someone killed
before Christmas Day, I hope not.

Speaker 3 (02:01:02):
There was a serious collision here on the Uttering Road
close by tom yesterday afternoon too. I don't know what
the result of that was, but it sounded.

Speaker 1 (02:01:09):
Like it was a bad one.

Speaker 7 (02:01:10):
How they're going to tell you this, Our rents are
gone two dollars more in December how much two wonder that's.

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
A big jump for the absolutely.

Speaker 7 (02:01:20):
And we pay six on the on care. That's he's
onner deer and not soft. But the government didn't over
speech about that. Yeah, I think we do wonder that's
a big jump, but that's twenty five percent.

Speaker 1 (02:01:38):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (02:01:39):
That's Kingsaven where I live.

Speaker 3 (02:01:43):
And what was the last time you saw a rent increase?
Pardon when was the last time you rent went up?

Speaker 7 (02:01:49):
Never one up? This is the first time and new
owners now, Kevin King Doe, they followed the build there. Okay, yeah,
Ian Weisman, I think got it now. Uh Will's woven
Sales and Service. He's building seventeen units. Now they got

(02:02:13):
three hundred names.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
Down come here, yeah, no doubt. So how many units
are in the building right now?

Speaker 7 (02:02:20):
Well, I don't know. I'd say the five or sticks.
Well there's two street states of Beaumont and we're on
Richmond Road right. You know they've built seventeen units right now.
The rations on there. People want to come. I'm a
talking to people from for the best Rentall's points limiting

(02:02:44):
all over the globe. Yeah. Now our rank come up
two hundred dollars. But the first December doesn't Christmas.

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
Press a yeah, no kidding, Yeah, Mary christ.

Speaker 7 (02:02:55):
Bert Yon December two eight?

Speaker 1 (02:03:00):
Where's your birthday?

Speaker 7 (02:03:02):
On the night on the twenty fifth, if Field born
to Christmas days to mirror in juveseph I called her
little priest?

Speaker 1 (02:03:13):
Is that is that a compliment?

Speaker 7 (02:03:15):
Well, I told you no, you got to velop on her.

Speaker 13 (02:03:19):
I have a peak.

Speaker 7 (02:03:22):
I calls him miss Piggy.

Speaker 1 (02:03:24):
Now that's definitely not a compliment.

Speaker 7 (02:03:26):
She's going to kill me.

Speaker 1 (02:03:27):
I bet she is.

Speaker 7 (02:03:28):
I'm so I'm lucky she's been ridden.

Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
Right, Yes, I know we've talked about your wife in
the past.

Speaker 11 (02:03:33):
Thought.

Speaker 1 (02:03:33):
Oh yeah, I hope you never walked the more. It's
a very sad situation. I'm going to sneak out one
more call. I appreciate your time.

Speaker 7 (02:03:39):
Anything, gets their breakfast, get their needles, get some medication,
all that. All right, buddy, you have a good Christmas. Virgil,
you come to ann w one of those mornings when
you're going to Gander, Absolutely pop in fort meet you, buddy.
We'll look the ship going. I'm gonna knit, and do.

Speaker 1 (02:03:57):
You're going knitting?

Speaker 7 (02:03:59):
I'm going to Jor I said, want to shake alright,
Betty Seattle, have a good day, buddy.

Speaker 1 (02:04:07):
Two pal bye, bye bye. All right. Another one. Let's
got a line umber one. Kevin. You're on the air.

Speaker 3 (02:04:14):
Hi, Kevin, Kevin on one. I'm here, Go ahead, Dave.
Why don't you take that and speak with Kevin?

Speaker 1 (02:04:31):
See what's going on there? He wants to talk about
road conditions. So I assume we have some sort of
cellular issue out in central Newfundland. And you know, I
think the candidate and I did put this to Minister
Petton when he was on the program.

Speaker 3 (02:04:44):
I can't even remember when that was talking about the
twenty four to seven snow crinking and we've heard a
lot from a lot of different areas that are not
going to be covered in this phase of expanding to
twenty four to seven. It's really a conversation about cell
phones as well. I mean, if we're talking safety on
the high ways and byways all over the province, even
if you fall into a situation where you need help,

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whether there's most vehicle collision or you break down or
whatever it is, for so many parts of the province,
it's a pipe dream to think you're going to be
able to be able to make a cell phone call.
So I think that is part of the public safety
messaging when we look at the motoring public. And boy,
I knew I was going to take some swats and
did I ever when I brought up the fact that maybe,

(02:05:27):
just maybe, when we talk about safety on the roads,
we have some conversation about inspections as your vehicle reaches
well just pick a number ten years of age or
one hundred and fifty thousand clovers, whatever the number is,
because you know as well as I do there's plenty
of vehicles on the road that should not be out there.
Let's see if we have a better connection on one. Kevin,
you're on the air.

Speaker 18 (02:05:46):
Yeah there now, Patty good Man, there you go, Yeah, yeah,
pat thanks to nkoy going to say it. Yes, I
went to Saint John's Sunday, all right, we left Brandpa Windsor.
I'd stay around nine thirty, between nine thirty and ten
and away I left Grandfather's Windsor and got the Bishop

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fills and even from Grandfather Windsor, the Bishop salves as
the roads a bad enough. We had we had at
at six or seven centimes of snoware Sunday morning, right,
and so anyway I'm going down through and I just
gets served by the shot Bond bridge there, and I
see one of the flyers, you know, one of the
Claire trucks just doing off ramps, and I said, Jesus,
he should be a down in the highway, right, you know,

(02:06:28):
by the way, we keeps on going. And then we're
doing right from say, from Data Spirit turn off right
the Benton. We're in one lane and doing sixty clicks.
Nobody passed, nobody, nobody gets to do. But this one
thing about it. Everybody played the game. Right. But you're
talking about twenty four hour snow clearing, Okay, And I'm
a former truck driver back in the day, and the

(02:06:48):
school bus driver, I don't know hunder drive and put
it like that, and I I mean, I've been out
there three hot in the morning and seeing roads that
are net So if they're talking about twenty four hour
tier maintenance on the roads, they got to get the
eight hours, the first eight hours ready first, because that
never happened there Sunday, right. I mean, I don't know
where what.

Speaker 15 (02:07:08):
He was to.

Speaker 18 (02:07:09):
I didn't see a flower till we just got into
this coming down over gamer Hill, right, So anyway, is
this this they got to get better at that. I
mean I don't I don't understand it. But I could
never understand why, you know, Rods weren't being proud. I mean,
bottom line, you've got mergency vehicles, you've got workers out
there going to work, you've got truck darvers delivering freight whatever. Right, anyway,

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that's my rant.

Speaker 1 (02:07:31):
And I appreciate you making time. Kevin, thanks a lot.

Speaker 18 (02:07:34):
All right, buddy, all the best you too, Bye bye, Oh,
good luck on the good luck to the young fellow
get these wings.

Speaker 1 (02:07:40):
Yeah, thanks a lot. Pretty happy for him.

Speaker 18 (02:07:42):
Oh pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
Yeah, thanks Kevin. All right, good bye, there you go.

Speaker 15 (02:07:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:07:47):
I mean we did ask Minster Pettin too about preparedness,
you know, whether or not all the depots are fully
staffed up and the maintenance and calibration has been completed
on all the equipment, and it was The answer wasn't. Yes,
it's all on I think, to paraphrase what he said,
I believe it was along the lines.

Speaker 1 (02:08:04):
So we're just about there. We're almost there.

Speaker 3 (02:08:07):
So whether or not that has some impact on what
Kevin did not see in so far as ice control
and snow clearing for his treacherous trip there the other morning,
maybe part of it. Let's see here, final check of
the morning, maybe the final check of the day for
me on Twitter or VOSM upline, you know what to do.
Email addresses open, Lina VOSM dot com. All right, good
show today, big thank you to all hands. We will

(02:08:29):
indeed pick up this conversation again tomorrow morning, Right, here
on VOCM and Big Line of FM's Open Line on
behalf of the producer David Williams. I'm your host, Patty Daily.
You have yourself a safe, fun, happy day. We'll talk
in the morning.

Speaker 1 (02:08:39):
Bye bye

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