Wednesday Oct 15th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
so much for tuning into the program. It's Wednesday, October
the fifteenth. This is open Line. I'm your host, Patty Daily.
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five ninety VOCM, which is eighty six twenty six. So
let's ease into a Toronto Blue Jay fans must be
sitting on pins and needles today going into Seattle for
game three down two games nothing. So The structure is
the highest ranked team plays two games at home, they
need travel to play three on the road and then
come back to play games six and seven. If necessary,

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So this is do or die. They're not technically out
if they lose tonight, but they're out if they lose tonight,
throwing a former Cy Young winner Shane Bieber on the
bump for the Blue Jays. Just a couple of interesting stats.
Since they introduced the two to three to two set
up in Major League Baseball postseason, twenty eight times the
road team has won games one and two in the

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opposite building. Twenty five of those times they've gone on
to win the series. In addition to that, after the
third inning, the Jays have been woeful against the Mariners.
So since the third inning in games one and two,
they went a total of one hit for forty two halfats.
Not gonna get it done, all right, Cee Alex the
hook broke the glass last night. He got his first
goal of the season. The day after Dawson Mercer. Of course,

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the Private Bay Roberts scored two for the Devils, Ryan
Green playing for the black Hawks, yet did the scoreesheet.
But there you go, all right, last quickie. So it
was on this day thirty six years ago. In nineteen
eighty nine, the Great One came the highest ever points
scorer NHL history, so they were playing against his ul
team of the Orders. He was playing for the Kings. He
got an assist early in the game. The game went

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back and forth. The Order scored in a file minute
of the third period to make it four to three.
The Kings pulled the goalie. Gretzky picks up a loose
buck flicks a backhand past Billy Ranford, who was the
Order's goaltender, about fifty three seconds to go four to
four to pass Cordy. How they go into overtime and
what do he know? Gretzky scores for good measure to
win it for the Kings. Okay, let's get into it.

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So before we get into the results of last night's election,
the election results show there's going to be some thought
concern about process. You know, for the second straight election,
the male has played a role, and in this case,
people did not get their voter registration cards and consequently
that was a confusion for some. Then it came with
trying to find your polling station, and then it came

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with something that we can do way with. First, let's
make it as easy as possible for people who were
eligible to vote to get a form of ID that
allow them to vote. We do need to ask for
ID I don't think that's asking a lot. And this
is not about voter suppression. It's about ensuring that everyone
who wants to vote, who's eligible to vote, gets a
chance to vote. So between now and the next time

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we go to the polls, let's figure out a way
for people to have and you know, maybe open up
the identification world to your Social Service card or your
MCP card with a hydro bill in hand to prove
that's your address. So something to actually go a little
further down the road to verify who's presented in front
of the posters to actually cast their vote. Okay, we'll
get that out of the way. So the PCs have

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won the right to form a majority government. I heard
Tony Wakem last night, the Premier designate, talk about the
fact that all the pundits and all the population we're
talking liberal majority. To be honest with you, I never
heard liberal majority out there anywhere in the political circles
or the social circles that I travel in. I'm sure
some people probably thought it, But does this come as
any real surprise. The Tories had a good strategy. They

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looked at some of the seats that they thought they
could flip, and consequently they flipped them. They put keen
focus there, repeated visitors by senior cabinet ministers or maybe
cabinet ministers in the wings the premier designates himself where
they made some of the biggest announcements. So the strategists
whoever they are, and the advisors behind the scenes, they
did a bang up job. So we can get into

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the numbers, but the numbers are all just going to
be born out of what was the strategy. In addition
to focusing on key voting districts, they made it about
the Liberals because of course they did. You know, for
people who are surprised, I don't really understand the big
surprise here. To be honest, whether or not you think
it's a good or a bad result, I'll leave it
up to you. But governments have a shelf life, and
in this problems, ten years is just around the time

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where your best before date kicks in. So you can
think the Liberals did a good or a bad job.
But you know, ten years three terms is a lot
for any city in government. So incomes mister wakem in
the PCs. The Liberals made it pretty much in full
or in large part about the Memorandum of Understanding at

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the Upper Churchill Gaull Island and the proposed partnership or
expanded partnership with hydro Quebec and the Government of KBEC.
So some questions that will be asked of mister Wakem,
because for starters, campaigning is not easy, but when care
compared to governing, it is easy. And here comes the
hard row to hoe. And you know, for me, and

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I would hope for many people in the province regardless
if you're disappointed or pleased with last night's result, there's
so much work to be done, so many things to
be addressed, so many solutions yet to be sought, that
I wish them nothing but the best. And also congratulations
to every single candidate who ran in all forty districts.
So the Upper Churchill MU mister Wakem has pretty much

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been steady in saying that he's going to pump the brakes,
pause the deal, send it for an independent review. Okay.
It would also be nice to hear from mister Wakem
and the parody about what specifically they think is the
problem with the MoU and make sure that we draft
the tur of reference that can really bring forward a
meaningful review for public consideration. So that's going to be tricky.

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Then trying to find an outlet or an organization with
zero conflict of interest between Hydro Quebec, the Province of Quebec,
our government, new Flant laborat or Hydro new flampower also
tricky piece of business. But bring it on. You know,
it's probably a self inflicted wound not to have an
independent review on the heels a sign of the MoU
period because there was time at that point. Now not

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as much. John Hogan said he wouldn't be rushed to
hit the April deadline. Mister Wakem says he will not
be rushed to meet the April deadline. Okay, and a
few more comments from mister Wakem on that front, because
of course, as the Premier designate, we can only lean
in on some of the things we heard on the
campaign trail. Quote directly from mister Wakem in his victory speech.
We will develop Churchill Falls, we will develop Gaull Island,

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we will electrify a laborador, we will develop our resources
with our workers for the benefits of our communities. All
sounds good, but are we really in a position to
develop Gaull Island. Going it alone sounds like a complete
disaster to me, and people don't like to hear this.
But given the geography and the geographical relationship with the

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province of Quebec, unless something magical changes like the so
called unicorn that is the East West Energy Corridor, unless
something changes, the only way, realistically speaking out of Labrador
is with some sort of partnership with hydrog Goebec as
the customer or the partner, or whatever the case may be.
That's not to insinuate we have the best possible deal
struck inside the pages of the MoU, But building Gull

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without hydro Gobec. I mean the pathway to get to
market with power is an expensive and tricky, want to
say the least. So there you go a few questions
in addition to that, with pausing the deal, do we
continue to negotiate with what's already inside the pages of
the MoU, trying to highlight where additional risk may be,
where we maybe be able to fatten up the benefits

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of this Robbins with some sort of renegotiating stance on
one risk level of another, one financial commitment or another
one equity stake or another one more redress of market elasticity, inflation,
present day value. I mean, all of those things are
going to be in play here. But let's just think
down the road and you might think, look, supposing this

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goes nowhere and there will be no definitive agreements, no contracts,
we wait till twenty forty one, which is a pretty
popular sentiment in some corners, is if you think about
what's going on in Quebec, the Party of Quebec, while
the opposition party has said they're not interested in this deal,
Lego and his party the Coalition to avonair they're cooked,
They're done. I mean the look they're looking at maybe

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not winning any seats, Lego is out. So regardless of
your stance on it, incorporating all of these moving parts,
with time and what the contract looks like and what
a review sounds like, then it's the concept of a referendum.
He's sticking with it. I would ask if this is
a binding referendum, so would the people speak, people would
be listened to, as opposed to giving some additional political

(09:03):
guidance to the current majority in waiting PC government. So
there's a lot to it. Also to get a clear
look at the fulsome nature of the financial books of
the province, which is not one hundred percent available to
opposition party. It's all in large part through estimates and
committee meetings. They have a very very good idea where
we are so to square the circle with additional spending,

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reducing taxes which people love, reducing taxes, all the while
considering debt and deficit. Let's talk about it. Of course,
you got the endorsement from Trades NL, which was most welcome,
I would imagine, you know, representing some fourteen thousand workers,
not to say that all fourteen thousand voted one way
or the other, but bade in ord you know, talking
about look, jobs are good, jobs are good. Some you know,

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pick ap percentage, seventy percent of the work has to
be done in this province. There's also the concept of
Equinor's listening. So if they think that's going to be
the drop dead conversation inside the pathway to potential final
investment decision and a final benefits agreement, I wonder how
that's resonating in the halls of the leadership offices at
Equinor itself. So there's obviously a lot here to talk

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about it, and of course the pledge is made on
healthcare and public safety, cell phone coverage. Hopefully they will
have the rebuild out in CBN at the very top
of their list for all the obvious reasons. So let's
break it down. Twenty one seats won by the PCs,
and of course there may be some recounts, but at
this moment in time, that's the number the Liberals hold
on to. Fifteen two NDP and of course Jim Dinner

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returning in Saint John's Center and Sheilah Larry breaks through
in Saint John's S's Kitty Vittie. It does speak values
about worth the NDP is for them to be so
pleased with going back with two seats, but I'm sure
they feel a lot better with two than they do
with one. And then of course Eddie Joyce and Paul
Lane back in convincing fashion as two independent members. Then
you look at the seats that were flipped. They flipped

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it out in carbon Era Trinitybate Avert, Central Labrador, lab
West Humber Grossmore, which is an interesting one. The PCs
represented by Mike Gusney breakthrough in that particular voting district
which was represented by the past two premiers Fury and Ball,
so that's a big seat to win. Lewis Port Twiningate
where the Speaker gets upended Saint Barrab Lanceametos and Barbara

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breaks through representing the Tories to defeat. Then Community a
part of the Minister of Health Community Services Crystalline Howell.
Not so how sure how big a surprise that might
be for starters. Being the Minister of Felt brings a law,
a lot of baggage with it people and access to
primary care in the overall strength or not of the
system is a lot to take on the campaign trail.

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And remember Crystalline Howell also ran in Saint Barrab Bland
Sametto's in the most recent general election prior to this one,
of course, and just narrowly defeated Sheila Fitzgerald. So there
you go. That one's a flip. And then Saint George's Humber,
which is also a pretty interesting seat to have taken
for the Toys. So their strategy worked, no doubt about it.
And now the rubber hits the road. It's not easy

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to govern, it's not easy to inherit what's going on here?
And was it time for change. Well, the numbers say so,
even though look, the popular vote doesn't mean anything, but
the difference between the two parties is less than one percent,
So it doesn't matter who you cheer for. I think
we can all just hope that the PCs are able

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to bring upon meaningful change. And let's not kid ourselves.
It's not going to be an overnight fix here. And
I'd be saying the exact same thing regardless of form
of government. There's no easy fixes to complex situations, complex issues,
complicated matters facing people right across the province. And then
you look at the map, so it's kind of playing
out like this, right across the country, right across all

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the provinces. The more rural parts of the province are
going blue. And you know, to win a majority government
with zero seats in town is also an interesting feat,
so that rural urban divide. And I hate to make
it more than an is because some of it's emotional
versus realistic. But you look at the map and well
it speaks volumes. So the Tories in and the Liberals

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ten years in office. Now over all, right, a couple
more quickies before we get to you. How are we
doing there David speaking of the rebuild in Conception Bay North,
and there needs to be prime focus there obviously. Then
you look back to what happened with post tropical Storm Fiona,
and this is a very specific email. I'll leave the
family out of it. But they were able to get

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nowhere from their insurance company because unbeknownst to a lot
of people, see surge for instance, was not covered. But
they didn't get help from the provincial government. They did
get help from the Red Cross. They were able to
buy another home that didn't need a mortgage, and they
were waiting in the sidelines to see whether or not
they would consider it their forever home. And then they
did so. They called the insurance company to get to

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the appropriate coverage. They were approved, They paid their annual fee,
just to be followed up immediately by revoking the coverage,
saying that the fact that they had a gap in insurance.
Of course, had a gap in insurance, had nothing to insure.
So the insurance companies hold a lot of power here.
But you know what comes across is patently unfair that

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you have the insurance records right in front of you,
Why approve it? Take an annual fee that's put on
this family's credit card to then immediately revoke the coverage,
stating said gap an insurance. Something's got to give on
that front. Switching gears just a little bit. But this
is in the world of healthcare. You go to any
doctor's office, you go to an emergency room, talk about
wait times. You try to get an appointment to see

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your primary care physician and or nurse practitioner or LPN
or whatever the case may be. Sometimes it takes a
bit of a time before you get an appointment. Look,
there's been directive given inside the world of the public
sector that no sick notes required. Not so much in
the private sector. They still have the ability to demand
a sick note. That really just speaks to the lack

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of trust between employers and employees. So if you don't
and you're unable to nurture that relationship so that you
trust your employees when they call them sick, you know
when you see it. If someone's off every second Friday,
there's a potential problem right there with that employee and
your relationship with said employee. But with the wait times
that a walk in clinic or an emergency room or

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in your collaborative care clinic to have it clogged up
with people who need a sick note, who are in
front of people who really legitimately need to see the doctor.
Maybe we can stop that. You know, let's talk about
the workplace and the relationship that employers have with their
employees as opposed to every single time you got to
go get a sick note, and there's people who are

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actually really in dire need to see the doctor waiting
in the waiting room or waiting at home for a
telephone call. I told those two listeners, I'd put that
out there on their behalf and there you go, all right,
a couple of quick ones before we get to you.
So we see. At the eleventh hour, just before the
trial was set to begin regarding Braya Renewables and one
of their contractors, Laurenville Mechanical Contractors, both pled guilty to

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one similar out of failing to ensure that safe work
procedures were followed. Nine counts were withdrawn by the Crown
regarding Brea. Two other charges conditionally withdrawn associated with Laurenville
Mechanical Contractors. They had formerly pled not guilty, and then
they accepted the guilty pleas, which were accepted by Judge
Mark Pike. The trial was set to begin yesterday morning.

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Over the course of twenty one days, they will return
for facts and sentencing in November. The fire flash fire
explosion ripped through that portion of the plant or the
refinery on the second September of twenty twenty two. A
man is dead met Sean Peddal, forty seven years of
age from Claironville, died six weeks after the explosion, and
the other seven were pretty seriously injured. It's a wonder

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that there's not more of these types of outcomes and
charges of this nature to be laid and now consequently guilty.
Please remains seeing what sentencing looks like, but we'll put
it out there. And again, we're just about one year
to the day where fire ripped through and destroyed the
drift would in dearly October the nineteenth and twenty twenty four.

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We continually are being told that the investigations underway. I
know it's not as easy as just interviewing a few
people you come up with a determination, But we're just
about a year in so again we haven't even heard
from the owners of the Driftwood in We have no
worth of the idea about fire suppression and fire lighting
and fire alarms. You know, if it wasn't for this

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one lady who smelled the smoke and started banging on doors,
it might be even a more tragic tale than the
fact that one American visitor is dead. So almost one
year to the day later, still no update on the
driftwood In fire, which was devastating, tragic and could have
been even worse. Last one. If you have a young child,

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or a teen or a tween at home, who, like
many of them, spend a lot of time on social media, look,
the stories continue to come in here. So Meta who
owns Instagram, are now talking about some more controls for
the teen users, which we all know the ability for
teens to have a workaround to access what they want.

(18:07):
So they're going to put some inability for folks who
don't follow to be able to send you a direct message.
They're going to not allow you to use certain search words,
so maybe gore or alcohol or violence or whatever the
words that they're choosing to put in. This should have
been done a decade ago. I hate to say, but
it freely feels like the social media platforms don't care
a whole whole lot, because if they did, they would

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have made meaningful change. Years ago, I heard people use
the three and five young people who spend at least
three hours a day on social media suffering from some
sort of mental concern. There's no real document documents out
there to support that, but there is plenty of information
out there to support heighten risk for anxiety and depression,

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suicidal adiation, and body shaming and up and down the line.
So you know, it's always worth that conversation. Even my
kids in their twenties, I talked to them about their
social media use. Not to look over their shoulder and
pretend I don't trust him, because I do. But you
can so easily get sucked in, and that spiral can
happen in a hurry. So just that one more friend

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of reminder, you do what you want. You're the parents,
you're the parents of the children. But it can be
overwhelming and quietly so there might not be any of
the outward tales to know that your child is struggling,
but they may indeed be, especially if they spend the
copious amounts of time on social media platforms. We're on Twitter,
We're a vosim up online follow us there email addresses

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open on a vosim dot com. When me kick it off,
let's talk about the election results, and of course you
know me, we can talk about whatever's on your mind
right after this, don't go away, welcome back to the show.
Let's begin this morning on line number three. Good morning, Ben,
you're on the air. Don okay, how about you?

Speaker 3 (19:48):
A mixed feeling this morning? You know I have is
one that's good news, but you know a little bit,
a little bit worried about the state of the province.
Not I don't mean to be too dramatic here. First
I want to say congratulations to all candidates put the
name forward, you know, especially what we see in light
of going on what's down south. It's a good thing
that we're all able to get together and have an election.

(20:09):
So congratulations to the Progressive Conservatives. They have won the
trust of people in New Plan Labrador. They now hold
the responsibility and I sincerely hope they govern more collaboratively
and more positively than they ran. And I'm calling in
today specifically to talk about the memorandum understanding and if

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from a youth perspective, and I'm I am concerned about
this deal, but also the state of the province going forward.
For many different reasons, and I can get into those,
but I think that three chief issues are. One, a
referendum on this deal is not a good idea for
many reasons. Two, the deal is a good deal. No
matter who spins that. I've said it privately, I'll set

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I keep saying it publicly. If the MLU was put
forward by a Progressive Conservative government, I would still be
backing one hundred and ten percent. That rings true. I
stand ready to help get this view across the line,
no matter who's in the province, I'll advocate for it.
And Three, you know, I think the number one thing
this province needs right now is certainty. They need decisive action.

(21:13):
We need certainty, and based on the way that the
PCs ran their campaign, they haven't been able to give
that certainty. So I'm hoping that they govern differently than
they ran.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Just a couple of questions on the campaign and strategy
and messaging. When the government has been in place for
ten years and have hung their hat a lot in
large fashion on the MoU, it's just tailor made strategy
for the PCs, isn't it. Because change is a pretty
common refrain when we talk about campaigning, whether it be
at the provincial or federal level, it doesn't have the

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same cachet when you're talking about change after say one
term of four years. But when you get to ten years,
to not vote or part of me not to run
with change as top of mind would be just kind
of missing the political vote, wouldn't it.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
I mean, yeah, for sure, change is fine. Campaign for change,
but make it coherent, right, Like, I feel like a
lot of the promises that the PC's made are big
promises that will take big money to fill. Where are
they going to get that money? Why is it going
to come about? And some of the promises they made
just straight up didn't make sense right. To be honest,
I'm fresh to graduate at Engineer. I worked in the
industry here, and you know the shipbuilding promises is it's bold.

(22:24):
I'll give them that. It's just I'm concerned about, you know,
the lack of certainty. Change and certainty, in my opinion,
are two different things. So we can have change, but
we need certainty above all.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Can you punch you a specific area regarding certainty that
you think is absent here? Are you talking about the
MoU are the other areas that I think we should
have a bit more focused about certainty because when you
run as an opposition priority I've said this many times,
not just for this election. Campaigning is not easy, but
when compared to governing, it is easy. Now, the real

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difficult work happens when you get a complete fulsome one
hundred percent understanding of total liabilities, total financial exposure, the
actual realities associated with debt and deficit, and how money
is spent and how revenue works. So it's easy to
make promises, it's hard to actually follow through. So give
me a couple of areas of certainty that you're worried about.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Absolutely, So the number one thing again, is this memorandum understanding.
In other parts of the world, deals like this, they
don't even they might make us a byline on a backpage.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Of the newspaper.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
They are commercial deals. They are done by professionals. They
are you know, at a site out of mind, done
for the benefit of the people living in a jurisdiction.
The fact that the PCs came in and they for
a long time in the campaign, we didn't know if
they were for the deal against the deal, for the
MLU against the MLU. You know Tommy wakem comes out
last night and the singing it's praise the same. We're

(23:49):
getting this done, We're getting this done, We're getting this done. Well,
we had an opportunity to get it done with this
mlu we should get it done. And again I hope
they do get it done. Where do you stand on
why are you going to send it to a referendum? Right?
Why are you going to send it to a referendum?
Say you support it at the end of the campaign,
but all the way through you're trying to raise suspicions
raised out and all the while. Yeah, it so that

(24:10):
that's that's Uncertainly they're talking about both sides of their
mouth in back regards.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Businesses look at that and and you know, especially large
corporations looking to make capital investments in this province and
they go, I don't know if we want to put
this money on the table because we could just get
a government come in and put a rick to a referendum,
and that that's that screws the pooch, right, So that's
number one thing is you know, for a long time
we didn't know if they were four again and we
still don't know what they're going to do with it.
I hope they put this deal through for so many reasons.

(24:35):
I think it's about time we bury this hatchet with Quebec.
You know, I I think it's it's a fair deal
for both parties. I think, you know, there was a
hyperfixation on the Upper Churchill asset and the price we
paid for it. I could go into why that's it's
six cents for go a lot hour and and you know, YadA,
YadA YadA. There was a hyperd fixation on it. That
really concerns me. And it feels like they ran and

(24:56):
you know that that's what opposition has to do.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
They had to play to people's emotions and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
But now that's the governing, are they going to be
able to make logical, reasonable, coherent decisions. And again, if
the way they handle the MU is any indicator, I
think we're in trouble.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
The referendum. Look, people like to be told that they
have a say, people like to be told that politicians
are listening. But whether or not it's actually a binding
referendum or not remains to be seen. I don't think
I've heard a specific mention there. But look, regardless, if
you're thrilled with the outcome last night. Let's just ask ourselves,
do we all, as eligible voters have enough information in

(25:32):
hand in mind to cast an informed vote in a referendum.
I think probably the majority of people, if they're being
honest with themselves, would have to say no. If we're
going to say that, some voters might go into a
polling station and just say, well, it's a liberal deal.
I hate it. It's dealing with the Quebec. I hate it.
Versus a Party A and Party B. You can include
some historical context in your assertions and your evaluation, but

(25:55):
I think we're asking for an emotional referendum as opposed
to one based on commercial sensitivities, of commercial viability, long
term actual benefits. Now, it might not be the best
deal of all time. I'm not here to say that
one way or the other, but having a referendum based
on emotion just sounds like probably a bad idea.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, I completely agree, right, and again, I sincerely hope
that they get this deal across this line. I'm it
wouldn't be a PC when it would be a liberal
win and be a new feline of laborator whin.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
And they got this thing across. I agree we.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Can't have an emotional referendum on something that is just cold,
brutal calculus. Right. We can't do it, and we need
to get we need to get past.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
This as a province of the people.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
If you look at the deal holistically, you know, I'm a.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Bit of a nerd, so I've looked.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
At it in depth. It's a fair deal. It's reasonable
to both parties. It's reasonable a new fline laborador and
it's reasonable to Quebec. And just because it's not a
binary thing, right, if we have a good deal, doesn't
mean uebec as a bad one and vice versa.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Right.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
I think there's been a lot of I won't say misunderstandings,
but a lot of misappropriate of it what the deal
stands for, right, I think the real value in this
deal is in the Gull Island joint venture. Quebec is
as if the mus passed, the stands is going to
take you know, is going to take on the financial risk.
They're going to pay us a twenty five billion dollar

(27:13):
down payment. We're going to have hiring rights on these projects,
unlike you know what we're facing with Beta and ORD.
We're going to have. You know, we maintain majority ownership
in the assets, we pay a fair We're actually going
to get paid a fair rate for our power on
the Upper Churchill, which again is only one part of
this asset class. And yeah, the whole price they're going

(27:37):
to pay across the entire acset of fifteen pence per
kill a lot hour and the fact that the upper sorry,
the fact that the Upper Churchill rate is six sets
for killed hour, it's the only reason that that's so
low is twofold in my opinion. It's one, the asset's
already paid off and a lot of power rates come
from debt service and costs. And two, you know it

(27:57):
has to be some sort of deal that add.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Tags both parts.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
That's you know, six sences a hell off atter in
point two cents.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Sure, but how do you square this circle if then
CEO at hydrok back Michael Savia said, look, our replacement costs,
if it wasn't this deal, will be between thirteen and
sixteen cents. So people will lean in on that, and
I understand why. Now, what we don't have a clear
understanding of is exactly what replacement costs means. Insofar as
the generation side is there any transmission has to be rebuilt,

(28:25):
A lot of things that I don't necessarily have an
answer to, but that's what Savia said. Hey, this is
a great deal for us because replacement costs thirteen to
sixteen versus the numbers you just put forward. No concerns
on that front.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Bend not particularly right. And again, well, let's let's all
square the circle by saying that this this is an
MLU and the negotiations are still ongoing, rightange, these prices
are still subject to change, pending a final agreement that
is put that has yet to be put forward, that
they're working on. We need to let's get out of
the way that professionals them, let them handle it right,

(28:57):
fair enough. If there's concerns about it, it doesn't predict
already concern me simply because across the entire asset class group,
it's fifteen cents for till hour, which is right smack
in the middle of that thirteen and sixteen cent mark. Right,
So the real value here is in the Gull Island
joint venture, which is way It's a massive project. It's
way bigger than muskret Falls. And as much as I'd

(29:18):
like to be able to say, yep, we got this.
You know, we were able to build muskrat Falls on
our own and went successfully. It didn't And as a
young person who wants to stay, wants to live as
set up shop in this province, I really want to
stay here and I really don't want to have to
pay that debt.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
For the rest of my life.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
So the fact that the down payment a loan would
have covered a lot of that deficit, and the fact
that we were going to get a billion dollars or
more at number can only go up of of of
money per year that we can take to the bank
year after year after year.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
It's a good deal.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
I understand that there's an emotional attachment to Churchill Fall.
I get it right. We've been screwed. We were had
on that deal one hundred and twenty percent. But again,
if we if it's realistically we're not going to get
more than six weant get an extra cent for killer
abt hour. But there's no there's no other customer for
that power besides Quebec. There's nobody's you know, nobody's come

(30:10):
forward to offer to offer a counter deal. This talk
about data centers is a little bit hopey in my opinion,
because it's going to be a dot com bubble type
thing where it's just, you know, a lot to hype
around it and then it all dies off. There is
no other customer. And I understand there's an emotional attachment
to church involves I get it. I wish, I wish.
You know, it's a tragedy what that point Thue Sence

(30:31):
did to our psyche as the province. But at the
same time, we need to get past that for all
of our sakes. We need to we need to start
building in this province. We can't just keep looking in
the past. And I'm concerned about that.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Even though it's human nature and it's difficult to separate
things out, you know, whether it be megaproject hangover, whether
it be the boondoggle at Muscraft Falls, whether it be
the relationship with Quebec since nineteen sixty nine, and you know,
all of a sudden they're willing to renegotiate when they
need and want something, versus forcing us to take them
to court at least minimum seven times to simply reopen

(31:06):
a contract which they finally admitted was unfair. I mean,
Lago said as much, and you know it would also
be nice if they could knock off all this nonsense
about where the Labrador borders. It's been settled repeatedly, and
then the thought extends down the path of when they're
unwilling to acknowledge the border which was dealt with the
nineteen twenty seven, dealt with the nineteen eighty two and

(31:28):
other times, is it gives people a feeling that they're
still going to try to trample over that border to
have even more control of other resources, whether it be
in the clinical minerals world, in the Labrador trough for otherwise.
So there's a few things they could do to ease
the worry mind, but they're not going to their standing
firm on what they got, and you know they're making
the same sales pitch over there. Hydro Quebec and Lago's

(31:50):
parody are saying they did great, opposition parodies they are
saying they did terrible. So trying to separate the wheat
from the chaff gets difficult enough, but when you talk
about a half a trillion dollars worth a good non
binding MoU becomes even more so. Final thoughts you have
been before, I have to.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Go yeah, for sure, Well I'll offer a suggestion, and
I completely agree. I'm highly suspicious of Quebec for they admit,
but I'm not blinded by hatred towards them. Right free
the offer suggestion to the PC government to make one change.
Any further deal commercial contract negotiations we have with ider
Quebec are subject to them not claiming the Labrador border

(32:25):
fix it. Have them agree to the nineteen twenty seven
Privy Council decision as a condition of signing a deal.
If they need it that bad, they'll do it. I
think we do have them backed into a corner, and
I think, yes they Quebec's good at playing a poke
face and they you know all that stuff. We need
to keep our nerves in check because they will try
to rattle us right and I think I don't know

(32:48):
what the mood is in Quebec City right now, but
I do worry that even if the MLU falls apart,
people are going to take money off the table because
they see how we treat project like this that are
in my opinion, see it's been my analysis. It's my
ticke at the CAT that this is a beneficial deal
for newer lend Leber. It needs to happen. So if people,
if people are outside see us look at this deal

(33:09):
and say, man, they don't know a good thing. That's
not going to look good for this product. So I
recommend them that they push, yeah, that they put the
accepting that I can always have a brieving council decision as.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Conditions for except Yeah, it's almost laughable, but it's meaningful
inside that province. Ben. I appreciate the time. Thank you, Patty,
take care you too, Bye bye. How much of this
could have been alleviated if the very first move the
day after the press conference at the rooms was to say,
we are in the process of the next month selecting

(33:40):
a company to perform this independent review as opposed to
appointees here because the lot just be viewed as political appointees.
So do that. We might be having a very different
conversation here today. And I think we're probably going to
have a very different conversation right after this break regarding
the mu don't go away, Welcome back to the show. Let's
go line for Steve. You're on the Air's going well, okay.

Speaker 6 (34:04):
Good morning, Yeah, excellent.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Just a couple of notes there.

Speaker 6 (34:08):
Patty couldn't disagree probably anymore with the last collar there
on the deal. I'm not sure how you know he
could say it was the only deal we got and
we got them backed into a corner in the same breast.
But in any case, last week heard Con calling in,

(34:29):
just wanted to say, I was super happy to know
that Danny's still living rent free in his head as
well about about the deal and the Muscraft falls and everything,
but the prices that going on, housing, food, energy, the
whole thing bottom line there, Patty, I think in my
opinion is, you know, inflation is a super big problem

(34:50):
that we got here in the province, in the country.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Inflation is back to Earth inflations, back into the bank
accounta's crosshairs.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
Yeah, but I mean you say the price increase is
over the last few years. I mean, when people are
coming in talking about the prices of food, housing, energy,
I mean, we obviously we got an issue on our
hands here. You know, CPI and PPI and these indicators
don't seem to really capture, you know, the struggles people

(35:19):
are having at the grocery store, don't you think.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, no, I don't disagree with that. I mean, God
only knows for people who listen to this show. Know
full well I hear a lot of that, and the
vast majority of it. It's like an iceberg. You only
hear the tip of it on the show. The stuff
off air is way more. Just a couple of questions
I would have is like, the one thing that we
all share is the price of food. If you look

(35:44):
at conservative provinces, Liberal provinces, NDP government provinces, we're all
sharing very similar concerns with food and the food chain
and the price of groceries and shrink flation on the like,
I'm not really sure what the FEDS or provincial governments
of any political stripe can do a whole lot about
the price of food. Do you have any ideas?

Speaker 6 (36:03):
I think universal basic income was probably going to be
something that we're going to eventually see, probably five or
six years down the road.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, I think you might see that.

Speaker 6 (36:12):
Like I look at the you know, just to take
a look at, say, the last ten years, we've seen
an eighty five percent increase in the amount of M
two money supply. So that's like say, if you've got
foive loonies in your pocket and you take it off.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
All of them, you look at them.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
One of those loonies didn't exist, you know, before the
year twenty twenty, so you know, and to go back
to the basics of economics, Milton Friedman said, you know,
there's only one cause of inflation, and that's the over
printing of money. And you know that's exactly what we've
got going on here, right.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
It was for a period of time, there's no question.
And look, I didn't receive one single cent of pandemic support.
I didn't qualify it. I just wasn't eligible. I never
missed any work, so left me out of the erb
business business supports. I was eligible once again, so I'll
put that out there. But at the same time, and

(37:08):
this is the conversation I struggled with, But I tried
to entertain on the airs, how do we compare and
contrast inflationary pressures and pandemic support. Money's going out the door.
With the opposite side of that coin of limited or
no pandemic supports out the door, economic recovery for bankrupted
individuals and businesses might have been a longer, more difficult
mount in the climb than the issue regarding inflation, which

(37:31):
got out of hand. I mean, no one's going to
make that silly argmentaro at least I'm not going to
So that's the circle I tried to square at that time.

Speaker 6 (37:39):
Yeah, and I would say, but you know, and you know, listen,
inflation and currency is meant to devalue over time. But
when you're talking about an eighty five percent increase in
a ten year window, that's just pushing the limits on it.
And what you're seeing here now is you know, we've
hit a tipping point and Danny Williams has nailed it.
And you know this is you know, we're living in

(38:00):
the time right now where you're under an asset owner
or you're not an asset owner, and you know, owning
cash is useless. You need to own assets because assets
appreciate at the level that the money supplied to us
if you own the right assets. And and you know,
this is what this is where we're at. You know,
like the prices, you can you can say this, you
know what, the prices at the grocery store are not

(38:23):
coming down, period. And you know this is what we've done.
You know, we've separated society into two groups. We've got
asset owners and non asset owners. And to go back
to you know, your previous collar there must have falls.
Like here's some stats, you know, and don't I think
we confuse poor project management with you know, economics. Yeah, okay, say,

(38:46):
let's say the project went from six billion to thirteen billions.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Look, that's the.

Speaker 6 (38:50):
Current value of it now fourteen billions. You know, if
you look at seventy five year window of energy, thirty
six to forty billion dollars of energy. The replacement cost
in seventy five years from now fifty seven to seventy
billion dollars, So you know, six billion in over runs.

(39:10):
But a year twenty one hundred, seventy five years from now,
you know, we're all the gone. But whoever's left here
think of it the asset to go to home? Think
about what is going to be work.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, but economics is that we want to.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Own or is it something that we want to give away?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
No, I think a seventy five year window if you
talk about the appreciating value of an asset, it's a
fair argument. But the reality is we have to take smaller,
bite sized chunks because if we're talking about cost of
living pressures overall, which would be insurance premiums and cell
phone bills and the price of groceries, and yes, the
price of to heat your home. The short term pain

(39:46):
here kind out weighs a fifty to sixty seventy five
year window. I mean, just look no further than the
fact that between now in twenty thirty we actually have
to come up with three billion dollars just to keep
my rates at fourteen point two to three seven cents
per kill a lot hour, and then had the distribution
fees of what have you. We're arguments is we're paying
fifty nine cents already, and even with the rate mitigation

(40:06):
money is in play, it does not mean we're to
see no increases two point twenty five percent every year
between now and thirty with no plan after that. So
the long term vision and an appreciate value of and
I said, is only part of the conversation, wouldn't you think, Steve?

Speaker 4 (40:21):
I think, yeah, it is, absolutely.

Speaker 6 (40:22):
But I mean if we give it away, I mean,
you know, we don't have anything to show for it,
and you know we're talking about a billion dollars a
year in revenue. I mean we're looking at I mean,
for anybody who who's looking at you know, the economics
on a macro scale, you know, we're not far off
a period of hyper inflation, and you know, Quebec wants
to swing this deal.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Of course they do because they know that.

Speaker 6 (40:44):
The demand of energy is going to go through the roof,
They know that the price of energy is going to
go through the reef, and they want to lock this down,
you know, I mean it makes sense, you know, they
want to own the asset. And but you know, for us,
you know, what are we in a hurry for?

Speaker 4 (40:58):
You know, like you know, I just you know, for.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
Me is you know, Danny Williams. You know, people can
call them whatever they want, but for me, you know,
we own that asset. And to be honest, uh, you know,
if it's not now, it will be the best asset
that this province owns. She didn't give it away, and
we'll be thanking him for it, you know, down the road.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I appreciate the time of the perspective. See if anything
else you'd like to say, because I've kind of lost
track of the time here this morning.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
No, that's good, puddy.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I appreciate you making time for the program. Thanks a lot.
By bye bye, I just get another break and don't
go ahead. Lookome back to la'sgo one number five. Gabe,
you're on the air.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
Good morning, Patty, Good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (41:40):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
That's bad? Thanks? How about you?

Speaker 7 (41:43):
I'm good?

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (41:45):
I'd like to start by saying thanks to yourself and
to all the team at the OCM for giving the public,
UH the avenue to really debate. I guess the m
OU because government never gave the people that opportunity, and

(42:05):
your show and open lines, certainly in the last couple
of weeks, gave you know, people opportunity to come on,
speak their mind, ask questions. You challenge them with good questions.
You gave Hydro the opportunity as well. Although I didn't
learn anything from Miss Williams discussion with you, I listened

(42:27):
to it a couple of times. I was looking to
learn something new, but unfortunately that didn't happen. And hats
off to you, That's what I say. Heads off to
yourself and the OCM.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
I appreciate that. I will admit it is a complicated issue,
and even just to read the MLU as many times
as I have, not only to formulate an opinion, but
to be able to even ask questions has been a
bit of a struggle. I have to admit this might
not be the best formus, but it's one of the
only forms that we have.

Speaker 7 (42:58):
Well, it was the only form on this Patty. I mean,
you gave Mike Wilson the opportunity for you know, i'd
say an hour almost and I know, you know, people
who weren't interested in the MoU probably saw that with
a bit of frustration. But I think might in yourself
did a great job of laying out many of the
issues that around people's minds. I have to say I'm

(43:21):
not politically connected, but I'm delighted with the outcome of
the election yesterday because now I think the people of
Newfoundland will be informed and I think I'm looking to
the PC Party to live up their commitment to have
an independent review because that's what we need.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
People need to be informed.

Speaker 7 (43:40):
Next step is for me and we haven't been informed.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, I think it's incumbent on mister wakem now the
Premier design to actually expand his thoughts on this, because
it's one thing and it's kind of the low hanging
for to say we need independent review because that's been
a very popular refrain. Now we really do need him
to articulate exactly what that means to him like, is
it a full pause and negotiations while we try to

(44:04):
find an organization to review this deal? Is it in
terms of reference that would be easily understood by the
general public itself, Because if we don't have those, then
we won't even be able to be able to decipher
the report that comes back as an independent review. So
I think that's the logical next step for me is
what exactly are we asking so that we can measure
what the answers sound like you look like upon return.

Speaker 7 (44:27):
Yeah, I don't think the questions are that complicated really.
I mean that people want to know, are we the
primary beneficiaries of the renewal of the Churchill Falls contract,
you know, the old sixty nine agreement? Are we the
primary beneficiaries of you know, the development proposed for Go
Island and the expansions at Churchill Falls, Because I mean,

(44:50):
these are our resources, and we are the owners, and
we're the own We're the brijority owner of cfl GO.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
So you know, the big the.

Speaker 7 (45:00):
Question comes down to are we being compensated fairly and
reasonably for the resources that we own and mine? Oulsis
it comes to the conclusion that we're not, But I
mean I lead that up to some some independent I
mean I think you got you know, somebody the other
Justice Labla. He did an excellent job on the Muskrat review.

(45:22):
He knows this, these files. He'd be he'd be someone
that the public has competence in to chair review. And
then you get people that are truly independent, to have
no vested interest in this game, to come and question
Hydro on their oade so that we get the truth,

(45:44):
because I think we've been listening to a lot of
spin and that's very unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, I'm so short. The next steps will include the
ability to subpoena people to testify on the road. Leblac
of course, would be a key figure if we're talking
about process and transparency. For me, the analysis here is well,
I guess it's twofold. It's engineering and engineering complications, and
then it's financial repercussions, because those are the two key

(46:11):
areas here. Process is going to be always questionable when
we talk about how much information is being shared, is
it accurate or not? What's the chain of command looked
like for the dissemination of info, which is more of
a LeBlanc suite spot that it might be for a
financial institution, for instance, with experience in the energy industry.

Speaker 7 (46:30):
Yeah, no, I don't think, you know, financial institution is
the answer to this. I think, you know, something like
Leblanck is the way to go, and you know you
have a committee that can has the resources to hire
the expertise that they need. I agree with you that
it's about the financial component principally. I mean, the renewal

(46:53):
is all about finance. It's all about prices. Mike Wilton said,
it's about price value and are we getting a fair
reasonable price and value for what we own. That's that's
a simple question to answer, and I think the answer
is there. I just don't think that we've gotten the
assumptions and all the details behind my hydro has been

(47:14):
you know, putting out there. They have not given us
any backup to what they're saying, and that needs to
come out because we need to know, we need to
know the facts.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Oh well, no one's going to argue with that point.
I mean without the facts. For flying Blind. Flying Blind
has got us in a pretty significant amount of trouble
over the years.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
It has it.

Speaker 7 (47:34):
Has, and you know, I mean it's a lot of
discussion about Muskrat, but I mean Muskredit is in our past.
We can't do nothing about Muskrat. This is not about
Muskrat and h I mean Muskrat is there now, is
operational still. I think, you know, not not fully complete,
but you know that's ten years ago to debate about that.

(47:55):
This is a new thing now and it's much much
bigger than Muskrat, and we need to get it right,
and I think we can get it right. I don't
believe this business that Quebec is running away and this
is today or never, I don't believe any of that.
I think we have lots of time here in the
next few years, five years certainly, and Churchill Fall is

(48:16):
not going anywhere. It only value is only going to
go up as electricity demand and price increase. So I
think we have lots of time to get this right,
and we need to get it right. Newfoundland needs to
get this right.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
That much.

Speaker 7 (48:32):
I think I've just closed by saying thanks to you, Patty.
I think you know your your show and you're a
team there have done a great job to enable the
public to have a voice on something that's very, very important, and.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I'm glad the public takes the opportunities to join us
on the air, and I appreciate your time, Gabe, thank you,
thank you, welcome bye bye. All right, let's get into
the break. We'll go back. We're talking about some of
the promises that were made on the campaign trail, joined
by the Secretary Treasurer at the FFAW that's Jamie Baker,
and then tons of time for you don't go away. Well,
welcome back. Let's go to light number one sigm more

(49:07):
to the Secretary Treasurer at the FFAW, that's Jamie Baker.
Good morning, Jamie, you're on the air.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
Good wording, mister Dailey. Quite an interesting night last night,
I should think for anybody who's a political junkie watching
all the events on Fall Day, it was that.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
I mean, the first ninety minutes entirely predictable, but the
next nineteen minutes absolutely c software.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
Yeah, big time, big time. I just wanted to take
an opportunity this morning on behalf of the fourteen thousand
or so members of the SAW, of course, to congratulate
Premier Designate Tony wakem on a pretty significant victory last night.
And of course we weren't. We won't be sitting on
our laurels very long before we're starting to ask for
meetings on some of the things that were promised through

(49:46):
to campaign, and just wanted to take an opportunity this
morning to kind of remind some folks of it, some
of the things that were promised by the incoming government
so that it doesn't fall off the table, which of
course is important for all of our members.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Sure, where do you want to start.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
Well, there's a couple of things. I mean, obviously we
find there's a lot of issues and delays with things
that the Labor Relations Board, and they have committed to
addressing concerns about limited capacity and the ineffectiveness and carrying
out core functions like you need these things to be
able to move faster and be adjudicated quicker. They've committed
to that, which is great. They've also committed to allocating

(50:18):
dedicated arbitration weeks to ensure any grievances that are in
the system are dealt with. I mean, we see grievances
all the time stretching to years and that's just not
really an effective way of doing business when it comes
to these sorts of things. Beyond that, I mean, a
lot of it is about consulting with stakeholders on any
policy changes, and of course establishing processes to deal with

(50:39):
so many issues we've had, Patty, like when we start
talking about lockouts and these sorts of things. When these
concerns are raised and they are substantial, there should be
immediate investigation and that is something that mister Wakems has
committed to leading up to the vote yesterday. And of
course we've also asked for and received a commitment to

(50:59):
establish mandatory out of the provincial sales price reporting. One
of the things about price negotiations is that sometimes there's
information that would be required to really, you know, put
a true price in place for product that's coming out
of water, so that everybody knows where it stands. And
you know, we want fisheries policies to be reviewed and
enhanced to make sure we can have that free enterprise

(51:21):
system that we've you know, so long craved that creates
you know, the best possible scenarios for all involved through
the supply chain and hopefully get that good, valuable, solid,
consistent fishery. And of course, the last thing on our
list here this morning that we wanted to remind him
about was his commitment to withdraw the province's support for
the NMCA on the South coast, which is so important

(51:42):
to so many members down that way. I would also
say to you, there was just two very quick things, Patty,
that were not on our list of questions that we
put to the candidates and lead, and those were one
and this is an important one and I want a
lot of people to hear about this. It's our new
entrance proposal that has been on the table for the
last two years, and this is a proposal that we
are We're trying to recruit and retain young people in

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our fishery and it's so difficult to do and we're
about to see a pretty good exodus of older harvesters.
So we need to be able to engage our young
people at the high school level and show them what
they can have with a life in fishing. You know,
it's not what is in your history books. It's what's
going to be in the future when it comes to
economic development, particularly in rural areas. And another thing, Patty is,

(52:27):
of course we'd love to see continued support for the
Newfoundland and Labrador Fish Harvesting Safety Association. Their funding runs
out this year. They've done some really important and incredible
work and we'd like to see all that continue. And
I guess the big theme last night, and you've been
a political follower yourself for quite a while and as
a journalist has founded me to see, you know, the
urban areas go liberal while the rural areas went Tory.

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So I would remind mister wakem that it was indeed
on the back of rural Newfoundlanders and Labradorians that he
forms this majority government and he needs to remember that
when the time comes for him to make the decisions
and do the things he said he was going to do,
then he definitely needs to do them. So that's where
we're at this morning.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yeah, it seems like you're trend across the country, to
be honest with you, with the world the whey they
are swinging in so far as the party that they
support being conservatives for the most part, this party though
still retains the p in front of the sea. We'll
see how that applies into the future. A couple of
pick up on a couple of points you made, you know,
pledge to have immediate investigations. Immediate investigations is only once,

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is only one step what we needed. And also to
see your hear A commitment is immediate resolutions. So investigate
things fine, But how many times have we seen investigations
take place, the results are reported and no action is taken.
So that's a baby step in investigation. It's resolution and
you know, tucking up some of the gaps or shortcomings
in the system mandatory. For me, the National Marine Conservation

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Area that's being proposed by Parks Canada with no economic
impact evaluation, they're kind of missing part of the story
here in so far as the commercial fishery goes, because
I think Jamie, there's honestly a bit of confuse about
what you can and cannot do inside a proposed conservation area.
So for your members, is it simply about the type
of gear, because wild fishers can still continue inside the

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n MCA, it's just the type of gear they can use.
Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (54:15):
Well, it really depends on what the final ruling and
what the final setup is for any type of an
area like that. Lots of these different marine protected areas
come with different measures. The trouble that we've had with
this is that we have questioned them directly about every
single possible fishery in that area, and a lot of
the answers we got boiled down to well, we'll worry
about that in the next phase. We're only talking about
feasibility right now, and for our members, that's just not

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good enough. We need to be able to know exactly
to the letter, word for word, what gear, what types
of fisheries will be affected, and how and to this point.
We entered this discussion some time ago and all we
asked for was, you know, some clear, concise information so
that we could bring it back to our members and
let them decide what they wanted. We did that, and

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we took everything Parks Canada gave and we brought it
to the members and the members were very very clear
to us that they saw this as a threat. The
thing of a threeps in particular, that that area over
there is that they need a little bit of everything,
patty in order to make a viable fishery. It's not
like some areas where one or two species can really
you know, save your season or make your season. That's
an area that really needs a bit of everything. And

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as a staff wrap for that area, there's like ten
or eleven different species that are caught in threeps and
anytime you remove one, you damage the viability of your enterprise.
And you know, I had a young guy from Virgio
area called me a while ago, getting ready to buy
a fishing license, getting ready to finally become a full
fledged fisherman as he's been working towards for the past
five years, and he asked me unequivocally, he said, should

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I be doing this? Am I still going to be
able to fish? And I'm like, well, you know, it
looks like you will. But the problem we have is, Patty,
we're not sure exactly what you'll be able to fish
or where, and then there's little things like you know,
we heard time and again that ODFO will continue to
manage resources in that area. However, what's not been said
is that DFO will have to manage the resources in
that area under whatever rules are put in place. So

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that's our concern for us. We've always thought the National
Park was a win right. It's a huge economic driver.
It doesn't take anything from anybody. It adds another kind
of arrow to your quiver, and then you can still
do lots of other things one basket. That's kind of
where we've been at with it. On behalf of our
membership in that area.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah, because there's a difference between a scot up rake
and a lobster pot, a gill net versus a bottom trawl.
So I think that's some of the problems associated with
this proposal is we're pretty sure we know what it
means for expansion in aquaculture, but I don't think we're
entirely sure what it means for the commercial fishery. So
you know, if you can't use the rake for scollops
and you can't use a gill net, but you can't
bottom trawl, then they those are different things, many of

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which are not necessarily in short concerns for the most part,
of course, a scollop break and all the rest of it,
of course would be But yeah, I mean, and I
wish the confusion didn't reign supreme because that really leads
to the waters being more muddy than they need and
maybe consternation that's not fully warranted, Which is why pratic
kinda owes us some answers. There no doubt about it.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
There COD agree with that whole hurtedly. We need to
have those answers in that clarity in order to be
able to move. And you mentioned the aquaculture's no doubt
there's going to set to between the group trying to
establish an NMCA and the act culture sector. Our members
feel like they've just been kind of caught in the
crossfire here. You know, there's been a lot of discussions
about sushion, about fisheries, and we certainly don't want to
see our harvesters running verge of some really potentially you know,

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positive developments in that area in the year is a
hit and we wouldn't want to see that hampered in anyway.
That's our key objective here.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
One of the issues that I didn't hear much about,
and I was a little a little bit surprised because
it was the epitome of low hanging fruit is the
processing sector. We talked about some of the requests out
there for expansion in the processing sector, so overlaps between
safe for instance, snow crab and cod are more easily managed.
Then you had Royal Greenland trying to buy c cucumbers
from a FORID vessel at fifty cents compared to the

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negotiated price of sixty nine cents a pound. Smaller processors said, hey,
if they can do it, I'm going to do it too.
The sols all the cards when it comes to the
license and licensing requirements. Yet I didn't hear much about it,
but that's an issue that can be expanded beyond cqucumbers.
For me, that was one of the major issues that
I hadn't heard of people about.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
Yeah, ccucumber was really just the bell weather for that
issue when it comes to all species, and you know,
they have committed to looking at licensing privileges and making
sure that they don't get abused. I mean, you know,
you need conditions of license in order to be able
to operate a fishing boat, so the conditions of license
for processors needs to be equally stringent to make sure
that any benefit of crude by any fishery in this

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province comes to Newfoundland Laborador first. So that's a critical
component going forward, to make sure we have measured up
and we have laid out quite clearly going ahead, and
then that way, you know, encourage that free market, yes,
at the same time, be able to control how things
are done on shore and make sure that the viability
is there. I mean, we saw the shipping out of
crab last year. I mean that kind of thing is
not acceptable either. So we're hoping to meet with you know,

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the Premier Designate at his earliest convenience and layout some
of this and see we can come up with a
five and valuable plan for all hands involved.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Appreciate the time. It's morning, Jamie. Thank you always a bit.
Thank you my pleasure. Bye bye, Jimmy Baker, the Secretary
Treasurer at the FFAW. Let's take a break. We'll we
get back. Toda able to tell us where we're going.
Then we're speaking with you. Don'a away. Welcome back to
the show. Let's go to line number eight. Good morning, Trent,
you're on the air.

Speaker 8 (59:19):
Patty Daily buddy.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
How are you this morning? Great today? How about you?

Speaker 8 (59:22):
Good bye Patty. First of all, I'm gonna I'm calling
in to talk about Junior Colney. But before I get
into the Junior Curny, I just want to talk.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
About how friggin.

Speaker 8 (59:31):
Glad I am that this provincial election is over because
the nastiness that I've seen from people online and in
the public. When you talk to him and try to
have a simple conversation one on one week, you could
have back ten fifteen years ago that them days are
gone now to me, now, politics in this province has

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gone too much towards the nasty side and is no
longer fun to watch or follow up because there's too
much nastiness, too much personal attacks, and to me, that's
not what politics is about.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Make politics boring again. As one of my rally cries,
I'm glad it's in the rear view marriage, just because
it's been a long twenty twenty five with elections. There
has been a lot to it, and at some point
even the most keen political watch was kind of run
out of guys.

Speaker 8 (01:00:20):
Oh Tom, I mean, Patty, you don't have to tell me.
Twice mantally, I volunteered with a couple a body of
mine who ran an election, and he said that the
volunteers for this election were not there like they were
in the past because people are just burnt out. We
just came through a federal election, We've just done the
minisial election, and then a proviential election ran on put
of it. People are just burnt out. And I don't

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know what the total percentage of the voter turno it was,
but if it was low, I would not be shocked
because people are just sick and tired of the constant
phone calls, the constant knock at the doors. Well, I
just want to say going into the mailbox of getting flyers.
But can candat always short put a screw into that
one for the provincial and the medicipal election. But I mean,

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people are people are just an election burnt out and
it's time, you know, for some stability. And my fear is,
like I said, just not why I called him, but
my fear is, come November, there's going to be a
federal budget brought down. And of course you got Pierre Poled.
They're in wings, just chopping at the bit to try
to bring down the government again. And I guarantee you.

(01:01:24):
And I said this yesterday to I worked. I worked
in the provincial election yesterday and then before we got started,
I said to one of my colleagues I was there.
I said, mark my words. I said, before January or
February of twenty twenty six, we are going to have
a federal another federal election, because any chance that he
can get to bring down the Carnee, the Carnee Liberals,

(01:01:45):
he's going to take a swing at it and try
to hit a home run.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Well, some of that depends on exactly what the relationship
between Ottawa and k Beec looks like because the block
indeed holds some power hair so yeah, there's going to
be some confidence votes and it all depends on who's
going to join forces. So to speak with the liberal minority.
Proud of me. Now, it's fascinating to me that we
even have a conversation where federal tax dollar support a

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party like the Black quebec Qua who only have Quebec
in mind, and even try to further separation conversation. So
that has long irritated me. But that's sort of apropos
of nothing.

Speaker 8 (01:02:21):
Yeah, that that pisses me off too. But anyway, like
I said, that's enough the politics. I'm taking politics. Toddy,
I called, and I want to talk about the Junior
Curry And the first thing I want to do is
I want to throw a bouquet to vocn And I'll
tell you the background story, the reason why all the
Thanksgiving weekend, it started one o'clock or two o'clock on
a Friday, we had a junior bondsfield tournament. It was

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in the It was in the name of late Paul Herby.
So anybody that's involved with Kurring name Saint John's should
recognize the name of Paul Hervey. Paul was very intimental
in the Kerman club, but here in Saint John's his
daughter and his family decided in his memory that they
would do a bonds Feel Sorry cash field tournament for
junior curlers in his memory. So we had thirteen teams

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take part. We had one team travel all the way
across from Porta Bass. That was Dave Thomas's team. Dave,
it seemed like every tournament across his province, Dave that
gets his teams and the last tremendous support for Curry.
And we even had a team come in from Gander,
you know on speak far instud that Gander sent a
team in. I came home. I came home on Sunday
after the tournament was finished, and I got on my

(01:03:30):
phone and I sent the email to I went, I
took the VSCM website and I sent him email to
the email address that was there, just stating my display
or had there was no coverage of the Curn program.
And right away I got a response back. And I
don't know who it is. Maybe you can tell me
when I say it. He came back and said, I'm
I'm truly sorry. He said, I just checked back to

(01:03:50):
my emails, he said, and I didn't see no no
emails or tweets about just current program. And he saw
it madure, So I'm guessing that must be Brian Madoor.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
It is okay.

Speaker 8 (01:04:00):
So anyway, he said, send me and all the information.
Send me in the pictures, he said, and we'll pass
it along and hopefully you know we well we work
at a carboard. So I sent it along, all the
pictures of the curring and I sent along all the
information and yesterday morning, showing up when I woke up,
a peer trickled down my check my cheeks. I looked

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downline and show enough there was a story there that
they published it about the junior curring program. And that
means a lot. And I want to throw a booquet
at broad because Brian Madoor took my email and he
passed it off to whoever he had to pass it
off to, and the story got published. And that's what
we need to do. We need to make sure that
curring during curring in this province gets more recognition than

(01:04:44):
why it's getting because it's folly, because we focus more
so on like the senior curring when it comes to
the Briar and the Scotti's playdounds and stuff, but we
don't focus on the juniors. And the juniors is where
the future of this sport lies.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Yeah, that's got a couple of shout out. They're in
at the Paul Harvey Memorial Curling Tournament. So in the
under eighteen category, Team French win on the male side,
Team Blandford on the female side, Team French. They're sixteen
and seventeen years old. They're going to Alberta this week
for the under twenty five Grand Slam. Every other team
is going to be between the ages of twenty twenty
five and they're sixteen seventeen years old in the all.

Speaker 8 (01:05:19):
Talking to the skip before I'll talk of their skip
over the weekend, and his team is ecstatic for the
opportunity to go. They had to apply and there's no
guarantees that they were going to get selected, and he
said when he got to selected, he said they were
they were a little bit, you know, shocked that they
got to get this opportunity because man, like, they're going
to this it's like a Grand Slam, but it's for
under twenty five people and I don't know if anybody

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much pass Curry, but there's a name on it from Scotland.
His name is Craig cr ac K and he was
here for the for the Grand Slam and he's from
Scotland and he's one of the top curlers going right now.
And you know, Team French gets the opportunity to that's
who to get the chance to go up against. And
you know, this is the kind of experience of the
junior earners and this province want of course.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
You want to play the best if you ever want
to be the best. A family connection title the Mixed
Under sixteen. So Team Kennel the skip McKinley Kennel, the
granddaughter of Paul Harvey, which is also very cool.

Speaker 8 (01:06:15):
And that meant a lot to me too when that
got posted because my daughter played with Team Kennel over
the weekend and to see the pride on McKinley's parents
and her grandmother's face when she walked off the ice,
it was tremendous. Now, the progue was there for all
the players, but it just it just held, it just

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held a little bit more of a settlement the moment
that the granddaughter wanted, So that that's you know, that
was that was the ice in the on the cake,
and then at the end of the night. I don't
know if you see the picture there, but then at
the end of the night, my daughter and her team
went out on the ice to get a group photo
and one of the older girls got team's Team Blampard
came out on the ice and they were going to

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get a team pitcher also, and we looked over at them,
and we small, we small, Team Blamper and Team Blampard
knew what we wanted and right away we never had
to ask, We never had to persuade them. They ran
out on the ice with their trophy, with their medals
and be posed with the junior curlers. And to me,
that meant, like mcdadok, that means she said, no, she said,
that means a lot to us, she said, to see

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the older curlers come out, she said, and celebrate with us.
And that's and that's what it's all about.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Sports is good for the soul man. Trent,
appreciate the time, Buddy, thanks a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:07:28):
And Patty hopefully trick here. Like I said, I'm going
to be calling back and giving you guys a little
bit more an update on the junior curring trit the
year with different tournaments. Stuff that's on the go, and hopefully,
like I said, we can get some coverage and get
someone down there actually to do a few interviews with
the with the players and soles that I'm going to
call them back trick here and keeping their whole problems
hopefully in the loop on junior curling.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Appreciate the time, Trent, thank you, all right, Bud, bye
bye bye. All right, it's ten thirty right on the nose.
Let me come back. There's a really happy camper in
the Q online. Number six. They were going to talk
about a new novel regarding person who's neurodivergent as the
lead character. Don't go away, Welcome back to the program.
Let's go line number six, Tony around the air.

Speaker 7 (01:08:11):
Day.

Speaker 9 (01:08:11):
How are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Okay, this morning? How about you? I'm good.

Speaker 9 (01:08:15):
I just grab angrashl like Tony and the party for
a great job.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
They're done, and I want to like.

Speaker 9 (01:08:22):
I didn't understand is how the caller was there will
to go or first caller was saying, but how if
they didn't run the campaign their campaign? Any are the
problems any better in a campaign? We're in trouble. They
won the majority government, like they had to be a
good campaign and what he should be done and judging
the Liberals by what they were they done when they
were in power for ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Or he can say whatever we have to see is fit.
This is another option.

Speaker 9 (01:08:45):
But that's what I would do. Yeah, but but right now,
I mean, he's judging how this is going to be.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
You know, just qubect deal.

Speaker 10 (01:08:51):
We had to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
No, we don't come.

Speaker 9 (01:08:52):
We don't have According to Michael Williams, this is even
worst deal then did the last one he'd done sixty nine?
I mean, and why didn't Why didn't the Liberals release
he's a letter or resignation when they and they kept it.
We don't have any This is because we don't have
any water rates is we don't have any We don't
we're not the one in charge of hiring.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:09:14):
They never they kept the dollar to themselves. They never
released that one thing. And this is why and the
same thing. I mean, people were supported the PC's government
because our health care we don't have any, we don't
have any education, we don't have any basically destroyed everything
was in this province. You got I mean they're saying
where the money is going to come from? Where did

(01:09:34):
the Liberals get the money when they're paying oute hundreds
of millions of dollars every every year. I mean when
one alone was costing that, then you got the eighty
three million dollars that they just the warehouse down there,
the old warehouse costco the wish to lease for twenty years,
could be able to get one of the friend it's
twenty million, eighty three million dollars plus now we're going
to pay for to get it done. And they don't

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even for the clinics and don't even had the doctors
or nurses around us.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
You know, at end of that you can point to
over the last ten years. Does that mean that precludes
people from asking questions about where the money is going
to come from for Tory promises? Come on, Tony, Well.

Speaker 9 (01:10:10):
What they should be doing is asking, like, where did
money come from the first place?

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
For good?

Speaker 9 (01:10:13):
Where are it now? We were at seven point three
billion dollars in in death when the PC was in there.
All the reason why because all the business was going
and passed. Now we're almost twenty one billion, three times
more and we got no work. Know nothing because the
taxes were so high the business at the oary choice
they had to put it up the price in order
to survive, which they couldn't because the people were getting

(01:10:35):
text to death so they couldn't a port to buy anything.
So basically forced people to close and tail forced people
a lot of them lost their jobs. They had to
close it down, so they lost their jobs, which changed
reaction which they lost houses, they lost everything they had.
These are people that were invested in this province. So
I mean when you got when you got one hundred
and seventy five thousand people are out there without a

(01:10:56):
doctor that didn't wasn't wasn't we did, and that problem
before we have nurses right now, who was getting I mean,
do you take this li in nurses two and forty
four million dollars to pay out like it's just crazy
with the money that they were wasting. And it wasn't
the New Flanders was getting it. It was the other people
who sided getting it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
Some of them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
I mean, you know, Tony, this you know reminds me
of a phrase I'd like to put out there. Is
given the fact that your side, your preferred party, was
successful in winning a majority government last night. You know,
can't you just take yes for an answer?

Speaker 9 (01:11:31):
What you mean it's for an answer?

Speaker 7 (01:11:32):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
I mean you got what you wanted. And you know,
the whole concept of political deflection just gets tedious for me.
I can only speak for myself. Is people looked at
the last ten years and they voted based on what
they thought of the last ten years. For the most part,
not everyone votes like that. Some people just simply vote
for the same party year over year, time after time
for whatever reason. But if the tourists come out to

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the other side Victoria's which they have, and congratulations to
Tony Wakem and the strategy and the candidates and what
they did to flip all those seats. But that doesn't
mean that we cannot look at what they've promised and
pledged and asked the obvious questions which we asked of
the Liberal Guard was at the exact same time over
the course of ten years. So you know, I don't
know what to do.

Speaker 9 (01:12:11):
No mine, it won't be it. But the only thing
is that I'm just giving them some of the appointment
that they could be putting in better places rather than
wasting all this money that they wasted that's all I'm saying.
Like the same thing is asking questions the same as
they do. I mean, everybody got to write to their opinions.
Everybody got right to ask questions and show they shoot.
And this PC guardroom went in there and if they
don't do what they say, well then they got to
raise to that question also put pressure on to do it.

(01:12:32):
I have note right now, like there, what's the best
for the problems. We's best for our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren.
So I got grandchildren and hope one day to have
great grandchildren, and I want the problems a better place
than it is now. I mean we went from and
that's what I'm saying, like you put pressure on everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Know what he was in there?

Speaker 9 (01:12:49):
You don't to me, I suppote PC because the last
time you were in the same thing like we went.
They took charge of two they took over in two
thousand and three. We were right in. We were the
same position mays that we are now. We were having
two years, two and a half years a wait to
get hip surgery, knee surgery, and her surgery was even
worse then. When they got in, they hired all the

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profession of like one hundred and sixty eight doctors for
psychologists and regards everyone to helped out that the point
of matters that went down to knee surgery just a
regular road routine. Now we're right back to where we
were two again. We're down two and a half three
years for knee surgery, hip surgery. We're gone back to
everything the same team with the teachers. The teachers were
delayed off two hundred and fifty forty four teachers the

(01:13:32):
year before they put in when they were putting in
a fool day kindergarten. Then the year after it comes
out with shorter of teachers. So you got to be
short when you lay its off two hundred and forty
four teachers. They went from eighteen to twenty five. They
brought them down when you're in the last time before
he got put out, they were down to we're thirty
one and thirty two teacher of students in the classroom,
and then we went down to lineteen to twenty five,

(01:13:54):
and then now we'll right back to thirty, thirty, one,
thirty whatever. You can climb in the classroom again, and
there's no teachers can keep up with it because it's
like you've got students there from like different different things
going on and they all needs attention and you can't
if you you've got so many, dear, and you've got
so many class teachers or students in a classroom that

(01:14:15):
you can't teach. But when you bring it down, Lord
gets them's the better chance the teachers got the handlet.
I mean, it's just pressures on everyone, and it's I
got nurses in there, they're quitting and going elsewhere because
there's too much to just non stop to get to
get forced to make the work overtime and then you
can do with if you'rre full time. So I mean,
the more nurses we have here, the more people are

(01:14:35):
going to be investing in the problems like in houses
and every cars and everything else. The more taxes going
in the government, which is going to be reduce today
and there's more money, and then you're going to start
more businesses. You're going to be hiring more people, and
they're also going to be investing, and that just goes
on and analy the chain reactions the same as opposite
and reason I I could have criticize as well as
anybody listen to your show, h That's all they have

(01:14:58):
to do is listen to it and do know what's
going on. For the last few years of people constantly
phoning in about everything that's going on, and I know
out in rural areas that the place has just got it.
What was the hospital is now only a clinic, and
what was a clinic it's now closed. So I mean
they just got no health care whatsoever. I mean, I
know one person is there was rushed in the hospital
with a nursing ambulance and he had to wait eleven

(01:15:20):
hours and he had to wait in an ambulance and
then they wanted to got in. They had to rush
in and get him the surgery right away. I mean,
this is the stuff that was going on that was
never ever there before. Like this is why I complained.
And and that's one Tony. He says they're going to
do it, and I think he will because I think
he's a very passionate man for this province, and so
is the people that they got in party last night.
And I just hope that he goes and I think

(01:15:42):
he will, and if not, well then you just phone
and put the pressure on him as well. Like that's
why everybody's there ask questions. Hope for the best. That's
how I look at it, and I'm sure you and
other people is the same way. We just want a
different change because of people we got, you know, first
time he ever rock Heart Teller, like we were at
war with their own government. We got thousands of people
did waiting to get in and seasons.

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
To get a doctor like this.

Speaker 9 (01:16:02):
What kiss me about all this? I mean when you
say it like it's unreal, we got thousands of people,
you know, like this is unreal. It's like you can
shake your head like I never heard tell you that
four and while our government was in there, this government
was like it was a dictatorship.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
So this is, you know, dictatorship anyway.

Speaker 9 (01:16:24):
Well, I mean they've don't what they like. They never
they don't what they like. I've seen him. I used
to watch that house and everything was there. We'll look
into it. We look into it.

Speaker 7 (01:16:31):
Never did.

Speaker 9 (01:16:32):
I mean, you have people their phone about different things
and the serious problems that was never taken care of,
and the answers that they never return calls. They never
there's nobody never even bought them up to two years.
I mean it's just announced like it was just out
of control. And right now I think Tony is going
to bring it back, and I think he's going to
do a lot of things that is going to turn
his problems around once again and hopefully for the better.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Hopefully. So yeah, well, I live for my kids, live
for my family lives there. I want things to be
as best possible. But no, nor am I going to
kid myself in that there's simple fixes and complicate, complex
problems that are going to be put forward over the
course of the fall. I mean, that's just not what
we're talking about here, and anyone who thinks so is
wilfully blind to the reality on the ground. So I look,

(01:17:18):
I'm going to absolutely cross my fingers and hope that
there is meaningful, positive change. Why wouldn't I, you know,
I mean, I don't find myself in the same sort
of hyperpartisan envelope as many people who are chiming in,
and rightfully so I'm glad they chime in via email
and or here live on the program like you have
this morning, Tony. Congratulations, I suppose or do this is

(01:17:39):
what you wanted, and I'm glad you got it, and
I appreciate your time this morning.

Speaker 9 (01:17:43):
Well that's like and I said, like you and your family.
I mean, you're in this and here in your problems
unless like hopefully other people would like it. I mean,
this is and I'm not like persons, so I just
want the best for just problems and I support the
PC together of this. But anyway, you have a great.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
One to Tony all the best.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Bye. Terry Bursy's been in the queue there talking about
a new sci fi novel. We'll get to Terry and
then Edward wants to talk about the election, specifically polling stations.
Don't go away. Welcome back to the show. Let's go
to nine number three. Terry or on the air.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Is Florida?

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Okay, how about you?

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Oh, I can't complain.

Speaker 10 (01:18:16):
I suppose, like many new Philanders across the province now,
I'm going into things with a hopeful attitude and especially
hoping that the progressive part of progressive conservative includes social
progress in the near future. Aside from that, I'm excited
to talk about my book.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
That's do it. Where do you want to start, Well, I'll.

Speaker 10 (01:18:37):
Start off, I guess by listen. Thank you first and foremost.
I meant to call in yesterday on the most available day,
in the wake of Thanksgiving for that purpose. Mostly in
regards to this book, but I wanted to thank first
and foremost my local community who have been extremely supportive
of my novels, especially in towns like gambo Hair Bay,

(01:19:00):
over where I made the vast majority of my local
sales and I could not keep up with the demand.
I'm happy to say almost that I've plateaued at this
point locally. I think everyone who wanted a copy of
the book now has one in their hands, and if not,
there's a few more available. But I wanted to also
thank Carl Wells, who's been a supporter and endorser of

(01:19:21):
this work since the very beginning, and this on top
of him also of course self promoting for his own book,
which is a fantastic read as well. I have a
signed copy of that Tone right here, and that of
course is openly Carl. So it's been an incredible journey.

(01:19:42):
It started out as a pet project that was admittedly rushed,
and turned out, despite a lack of supports in other areas,
turned out to skyrocket. If I could make a half
pun in that term considering of the book is science
fiction set on another world. You know, first and foremost
this book the Newfoundland Tale. It It is absolutely one

(01:20:04):
percent right from flyleaf to the last word. Newfoundland culture.
The science fiction aspect of it is not your typical
science fiction read, and that it doesn't. There's no space battles,
there's no lasers, there's no overly complicated terms. It's essentially
science fiction in terms of setting, in that it takes
place roughly two hundred years from now, when Newfoundland culture

(01:20:26):
has pretty much become the dominant culture in society within
this within that future. Due to reasons I won't get
too heavily into, I only have.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Some but terry.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Before we go any further, let's give the folks the
idea what we're talking about. You're intimately familiar with the
book as the author, give us some calls notes, so
that sis kind of set.

Speaker 10 (01:20:46):
The stage here, absolutely so. Terra Nova New Earth is
the name of the book, and I go by the
pen name TC Bersi for that. And it's a science
fiction book about a neurodivergent young Newfoundlander much like myself,
except I'm quite a bit older, who crash lands on
an alien world nineteen light years from here, and Newfoundland

(01:21:11):
at this point is making an exodus away from a
dying world through nuclear war and other factors. The world
has been rendered completely inhospitable. Newfoundland remains one of the
only outposts where there's actual human life that's not only
survived but thrived. Still, they have to flee. They end
up going to Terra Nova, which is the planet that

(01:21:32):
they settle on nineteen light years away, and they end
up crash landing, and this planet is a wild new world,
full of alien wildlife in dangers, and for people who
lived most of their lives underground, it is absolutely mind
blowing to just about everyone. Unfortunately, due to the crash landing,

(01:21:52):
there is some political division almost immediately, there's no leadership.
Everybody's descending into chaos. What scant survivors are left are
starting to point fingers at each other as to what
went wrong. It was a mission that had gone completely
completely off the rails, so to speak, and they're just
trying to look for some kind of communitas in the

(01:22:13):
wake of uncertainty. And that's when things get really bad
for our main protagonists, who not only has to navigate
the fact that he's on a hostile alien world, but
that he's also an openly autistic neurodivergent person who is
starting to have fingers pointed at him for everything going
wrong to begin with. Yeah, so it's a read that's

(01:22:33):
not only an adventure where you're putting yourself in autistic shues,
but it's multi facted in so many ways that I
could not get into all the details in the short
amount of time that I have, but I would highly
encourage anybody to read it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
So let me ask you a question about the lead character,
the protagonist, and to take this for how it's intended.
And we do know that there's you know, if you're
on the spectrum, you're just on one spot on the spectrums.
Doctrum is wide and broad. So neurodivergent people in general terms,
especially those on the spectrum, they can't have a heightened sensitivity.

(01:23:08):
They you know, the fear of being rejected, trauma sensitivity overload,
try to you know, reject some of the confrontational situations.
So how does that play into the chaos as you describe.

Speaker 10 (01:23:23):
It plays in fundamentally, And I'm actually quite impressed with
your with that level of insight. I think when I
when I wrote this book, I wrote it with neurodivergent
readers in mind, not just with the formatting, with no
words or sentences bleeding into the next page book. But
also with lived experience and as an autistic person myself,
I was very.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Easily Ah, that's on Terry's end, kind of heard a
couple of cell phone related clicks. Let's get him on
to finish answering that question though, if possible, Dave, thank you.
Let's go to line over two. Edward, you're on the air.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
How you doing this? Seeming to be a weird communication
and she was going on here today?

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Isn't it on my end? I think it's the callers today.
For the last long time it has been my end problem.
But like earlier with jab Baker, his cell phone was
obviously receiving another call waiting. That was that interruption. I
think Terry's cell phone just dropped that call. I didn't
touch anything.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Well, I was on the line earlier and the phone
call dropped too. Something we're going out with the phone systems.
God knows what it is. But anyway, in the meantime,
I was we went to vote yesterday, pretty well, everybody did,
as far as I or at least I thought so
until I looked at the numbers on the screener, like
and there's like, where the heck is everybody else to,

(01:24:39):
which kind of makes me wonder, is there anybody voting?
Or the votes we can't even counted, which makes me
very suspicious about that. In a meantime, So I went
to vote yesterday, and what we did we I went
and printed after the pieces of paper that was issued

(01:25:01):
because you didn't get a card or nothing on the
on the system. So I printed out these pieces of
paper that was a PDFI from the website and brought
it over to elections and they've never seen them before.
They had no knowledge of these uh, these these documentation

(01:25:28):
with your address and phone number and all your ID
and a special number on the side they had to
write down when they wrote your number down and your
name now after you voted, and it sounded very weird.
It's like, well, these people have no knowledge of this,
they haven't seen this before, Like are they not educated?

(01:25:49):
What's what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
They're all trained, they're given the required training. But look,
we got off on the wrong foot again this election.
In the last one, during the pandemic, of course, we
had rely on mail in voting, which became an absolute
farcet this time. The complication of the mail system. Kind
of the post strike was that people who didn't get
their voter cards, so then there was two step authentication
I'll call it. And then people weren't even required to

(01:26:14):
have an ID and or a matching piece of mail
that you know, confirmed or address. So we've just got
to tighten these things up.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Yeah. Well, I mean everybody was asked for idea as
far as I know, not at.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
My spelling station.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
Well, they should have been in every sense of the word,
because I mean, when you look at it, you got
to you know, you know, if you claim you're going
to vote and your address is correct and you're on
a list. If you're on a list, then you should
identified you know where you're living to no matter which
way you look at it. More to the vote in
the first place, which should be legal and every sense

(01:26:48):
word than it is legal. But ask to not vote
and not ask for ida's kind of weird because that
really that means that you if you're not asked for ID,
how do you know that you're not voting in a
different district again and again and again and again to

(01:27:08):
get extra votes.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Yeah, I mean, how common do we realistically think that
would be? It seems to me that be a minuscule
number of nuisances that would take the time to drive
around from district to district to cast one vote. And
now I know every vote counts, but my god, what
must be wrong with somebody for that to be their
mindset on election day? Even though look, I'm with you,

(01:27:31):
it should be absolutely confirmation of address and named via ID.
I just believe it to be true.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
Yeah, basically, So yesterday I found it very weird that say,
these people didn't know any fault is. I know, the elections,
our elections in the past number of until Merton's elections
have been very very questionable in every sense of the word.
The lack of people voting or at least listed to

(01:27:57):
voter it is questionable too. I found that very weird that,
you know, you had like thirteen thousand people in the
western district of Saint John's and it's like not even
four thousand people voted. I found that very very sor.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
But that's been the trend though, Edward. I mean, that's
been standard right across the country and in this province
of standard stuff. I mean, look at the turnout in
the municipal elections. Oh my god, absolutely willful and I
was expecting a low turnout for the provincial election as well,
and I got a funny feeling had it been a
liberal minority or majority, we'd be talking a lot more
about this particular facet of elections there this morning. But

(01:28:35):
I just I think the turnout numbers are what they are.
Apathy rules. The day people have the sentiment of, well,
there's no one worth voting for, or they just don't
want to take the time to have to go to
a Poland station or find their polland station, or go
ahead and cast the vote. I just think that's been
where we've been headed for quite a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
Well, getting back to the voting thing, I brought a
friend of mine to the voting station here last night
and she went in and for some reason she wasn't
on the list, which didn't make any sense. She's been
voting for all were pretty well, you know, she's over,
she's over in thirties, and she's been voting almost of

(01:29:12):
her life for all elections, no matter which way you
look at it. So they asked for ID. And when
they asked for ID, the person on the desk these
apparently courting to her. The people in there didn't seem
to be very nice at all, which I'm not really
sure why. Maybe they're they were tired or exhausted or something,
I don't know, but they The person asked her, looked

(01:29:33):
at her id and asked her a weird question. I
don't think anybody would even ask anybody, which is kind
of weird pery because she has low self esteem, and asked,
do you identify as a as a female? And I'm like,
why would anybody even ask a question like that? I'm
not voying, Notice that's exactly what she said. They asked,

(01:29:57):
do you identify as a female? And I'm like, why
the hell would anybody ask a question like that? And
she came out and she was literally crying. She was
absolutely astoundedly crying. I was like, why would anybody even
ask that an election in an election voting office in
in you know, in the west end of Saint John's,

(01:30:19):
I don't know, but somebody physically asked her that, and
she was devastated, absolutely devastated. Why would anybody ask anybody that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Yeah, it's unfortunately someone who was devastated by a question
that I don't know if was asked or not. And
plus it doesn't belong in the conversation. Its name addresser's abatah,
good luck, goodbye. That's the conversation half at the falling station, Edward,
before I get to the news anything else very quickly
because it's eleven oh two oh.

Speaker 4 (01:30:49):
Terribly sorry, no worries, not the moment. But I do
find in the past lately that there has been problem
with communications systems all over the place, with the phone systems.
So I don't know what the phone companies are having
a lot of issues with your systems, because I know
it took an awful long time to get told to
you because I had to go through your your main
line instant the open line, because I couldn't get through

(01:31:11):
you guys at all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Well, I'm glad you finally did. I appreciate your time.
Thanks a lot, You're welcome, Okay, thank you, bye bye.
All right, just get a break for the news. Don't
go away.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
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Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Welcome back to the show. Let's rejoin the author Terry
Bercy on three to get final thoughts Terry or back
on the air.

Speaker 10 (01:31:44):
Hi, thank you so much. I actually appreciated that little break.
Ide about to hit a mental wall in regards of
my ability to speak. We'll turn it for the better.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Welcome back. I'll just set the stage one more time.
The lead character of the protagonist is on the autism spectrum,
and my question was, how can someone who's neurodivergent and
conflict adverse navigate the chaotic world you described.

Speaker 10 (01:32:08):
One step at a time. He's very much Daxton Blackwood,
the main character. He's very much a person who takes
things in stride. He doesn't allow his limitations to immediately
interfere in his goals, and so he follows protocol, something
that was established by the culture in that he's in
in it's almost a military type, almost Starfleet esque culture,

(01:32:31):
where there's a protocol for things. There's a rank that
is clear cut, which allowed, which is something that he's
navigated his whole life. There's always been some kind of
direction that he could follow amidst chaos, and especially when
it comes to a lot of neurodivergent people such as myself.
Falling back on these natural routines or these same sort

(01:32:51):
of bedrock that guides our decision making and allows us
to navigate a life that is chaotic right from the
get go, this neurotypical world that we have to try
to survive as neurodivergent people, we're very much accustomed to
kind of navigating chaos anyway. And while we can be
overwhelmed with abrupt change, and it can be really overwhelming

(01:33:13):
for us at times to have to deal with an
onslaught of abrupt change, it's not something that we necessarily
are unequipped for in the long term. And this is
something that is brought out within that main character as well,
from the moment that he waits up on an alien
world to the very last bit of the book, which
I won't spoil here for you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Now, well, I'm glad you made time for the show.
I'm glad the book sales are going well. Terry. Thanks
for doing this.

Speaker 10 (01:33:38):
Thank you. And if I may just one final point,
I've got an upcoming book signing on the twenty fifth
in the Avalon Mall at Cole's from two pm to
I believe three thirty, So if anyone would like to
snag a copy of my book or maybe get a
copy signed. That's the place to be.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Sounds about right, Terry, thanks for doing this, appreciate it.
Thank you, sir, my pleasure. You're welcome. Bye Bye, Terry Bursey,
author NUFLAM based sci fi novel. Let's go to line
number four Sorr earlier on the air, Hi, how are
you doing okay? How you doing good?

Speaker 11 (01:34:13):
I just wanted to, I guess spread the word about
a speed dating event that's happening here in Saint John's.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Let's hear about it? Go ahead.

Speaker 11 (01:34:23):
Yeah, So we've been hosting the since February. Different age group.
It's a typical five minute speed dating event that you
would kind of see in like TV shows and movies,
but it's quick, five minute speed dates and we've been
hosting them at a few different locations. We have no
trouble getting age groups under forty. We have enough men

(01:34:44):
and women for those events to go ahead, but for
the older age groups, we are looking for more men
to participate. I have a lot of women interested and
always have women asking if they can buy tickets, but
oftentimes the women's tickets are sold out. So try to
spread the word that we are looking for more men
to participate in these events, and we actually have an

(01:35:07):
event tomorrow night for ages.

Speaker 9 (01:35:09):
Fifty to sixty at the Elks Club.

Speaker 11 (01:35:11):
So you have to buy tickets online, but you can
find all the information on Facebook or Instagram or event
bright dot ca if you just search speed dating and.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
L So I'm familiar with speed dating from television, So
exactly how does your structure speed dating work?

Speaker 11 (01:35:29):
Yeah, so everyone gets a form to fill out and
I guide everyone through, so there's no preparation needed or
anything like that.

Speaker 9 (01:35:36):
We also have.

Speaker 11 (01:35:36):
Question cards on the table, so if you are a
little bit nervous and need a conversation starter, that is
a great way to kind of start the conversation. So
no preparation needed.

Speaker 7 (01:35:47):
You just show up.

Speaker 10 (01:35:48):
You get a form, you.

Speaker 11 (01:35:49):
Write down the names of everyone that you've met, and
then you write yes or no if you want to match.
If two people say yes to each other, then I
get them in contact the next day.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
So for folks out there, because you know, the new
wave of meeting people is swipe right, swipe left. I
don't even know which is which, to be honest with you,
but you know, in the world of first impressions, for
folks who are nervous about it because most people are,
you know, even just public speaking or meeting someone for
the first time, and the first impression you leave might
keep people away from your events. So what do you

(01:36:20):
say to ease their worried minds.

Speaker 11 (01:36:24):
Yeah, you can always bring a friend, another single friend,
and that definitely helps us have equal numbers for events.
But it really is a quick five minutes, so you're
just kind of getting the baseline for who someone is
to see if there is an attraction or an interest,
and it's just quick conversations and a really low pressure environment.

(01:36:45):
People often get a drink and hang out before and after,
and so it's really not stressful. It's a pretty comfortable environment.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Is there any music?

Speaker 9 (01:36:56):
Yeah, yep, we have music.

Speaker 11 (01:36:57):
On in the background. And like I said, I guide
everyone through, so yeah, there's really not much, not much
preparation or anything needed. Once you're there. I guide everyone through.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Yeah, And I only ask that kind of tongue in
cheek out of just because the traditional way was you
meet someone and maybe there was a couple of drinks
and it's thrown around the dance floor. You know, that
was sort of part and parcel with meeting someone in
the initial interaction. So at the end of it, so
do I have for what is an essence, a scorecard
or some random thoughts? I submit them to you and

(01:37:28):
then we you know, where our coordinates are shared or
how does that end product look like?

Speaker 11 (01:37:34):
Yeah, so if two people say yes to each other,
then I send them an email the next day and
give their contact information, so they kind of take it
from there, but they're put in contact if they both
want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Do you have any success stories, like long term romance
that stem from the speed dating?

Speaker 11 (01:37:52):
Well, we only started in February, but yeah, I've heard
of some relationships coming out of it and multiple dates
and whatnot. And even if there isn't a romantic connection,
a lot of people have made friends from this, people
who have just moved to town or may not have
a large circle of friends. Like it's a great way
to just meet people that way, so and even good

(01:38:12):
practice for dating. If you're not someone who's out to
bars all the time or you're not on the apps,
then you might not be as comfortable. So it's a
good way to even just practice socializing and networking.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Yeah, first impression stuff is tricky business, it really is,
and it goes a long way. It's human nature. You
know we shouldn't, but we do judge books by its cover,
and you know, the physical attraction might not be there,
but who knows, that might be the most fascinating person
you've ever met outside of five minutes or whatever it
is between when the bell rings and you sit down.
Do people have to registrare Sarah? What do they need

(01:38:46):
to do?

Speaker 12 (01:38:48):
Yes, so you do.

Speaker 11 (01:38:48):
Go to buy a ticket. So it's event bright dot CAA.
You can search speed Dating NL and any upcoming events
will be there. You can also search speed Dating NL
on Facebook and Instagram so you can find all the
information there. We also have more events coming up in November,
so we do all different age groups, different locations and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
Sounds good.

Speaker 11 (01:39:10):
One tomorrow is age of fifty to sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Fifty to sixty. People are looking for love at every age.
I appreciate the time, Sarah, Thanks for doing it and
have fun.

Speaker 7 (01:39:19):
Thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
You're welcome, Bye bye for it. Speed dating to break
it up, nothing wrong with its all right, just thank you,
break don't go away, Welcome back to the show. Let's
go to Saint John's City councilor Tom Davis Online number five,
Tommy around the Year.

Speaker 12 (01:39:32):
Good morning, Patty, Good morning to you. So we had
a whole bunch of new counselors worn in yesterday, so
it's gonna be hopefully a lot of exciting things coming
out of city Hall. But we'll see how it was.
Poor young I looked at them and thinking, there's so much,
so much. After a year and a half, the still
so much. I'm learning every day, so I watching them

(01:39:52):
absorb it next week. It should be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Yeah, I mean, turnover is always helpful. In the city
council chain. There is this pretty steep drowning carve, not
for the issues, but even just procedural things which are important.
You might feel like the boring part of being a
counselor or a m chair what have you. But understanding
procedure to maximize time, to be efficient is part of us.

Speaker 12 (01:40:15):
Absolutely. I want to double down. I think last week
I probably wasn't clear enough on the water situation. Donny Earl,
who's newly elected. He grew up on the shores of
Babel's Big pond, actually like across like right right next
to it before when the water when it wasn't as
flooded and he's never seen it this low. And he

(01:40:35):
said there's a road there that he's never that hasn't
been since he was a kid that he hasn't seen
that you can see. So the water levels are extremely
low and we do not still do not have any
significant rain in the forecast, so we're really asking residents
to conserve no. Last week I was talking about watering
of lawns, which I was amazed to see. But I mean,
I hope, I'm hoping people have gotten that message. But

(01:40:56):
we just want to be very clear that although you know,
four we've had water conservation in the city for you know,
four years, but we need to even concern even more.
And I know that that's something we need to just
spread the word, you know, amongst your residence, neighbors, friends
and family.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
A pond where I go just outside the city and
I've been going around the shores of that pond since
I was a child. I have never ever ever seen
the water as low as I have this past week. Unbelievable.
So it's real.

Speaker 12 (01:41:28):
Yeah, And the thing is that's not that's a pond
that's just naturally low. You can imagine when you're taking
out really yeah, millions of leaders of water every day,
and of course not just for the city of Saint John's,
Babel's Big Pond in particular, Service a CBS and Paradise
and Mount Pearl and part of Saint John's, but we
know winds the lake and end up on the hill
are also low as well. So you know, again this

(01:41:50):
message needs to be because you know we're going into
once once everything freezes up, then there's no extra water
unless you get melting, which we do of course, but
but again we do need to conserve because that you know,
unless we can get some major rain, you know we're
going to worry. We have, we have significant worries going forward.
So I just want to send that message. I mean,
it's it's not an emergency right now. We don't want

(01:42:12):
to get to that point, but just ask everybody to
do their part. Okay, So I want to want to
take off the council hat firmly off, and I just
and I know that people are are mo ou to death.
But you know, first of all, you know I listened
very intently to the leaders, both John Hogan's concession speech

(01:42:33):
as well as Tony Wakems acceptance speech, and I don't
think it should be downplayed how much of a factor
the mo OU may have been in whether or not
there was a majority or a minority. I mean, there
was three seats. There are less than one hundred seats
in the difference. And I know a number of people
who would normally have voted Liberal who because of the

(01:42:55):
mo OU. And and and I guess the confusion or
even maybe even the lack of confusion probably from our
from a lot of our points of view on the position,
you know. So I hope that that Tony wakem two things.
And I know I realize it's way easier to govern
from the sidelines than it is when you when you
get it. But I feel like there will be a
very very quick meeting both with Treasury as well as

(01:43:18):
with newflin Hydro and and I think it should be
pretty it would be pretty obvious to the Premiere elect
that that if he slows down the MoU, given the
reality of the Liberal Party in sorry Premier Legos government
in Quebec, that it just won't get signed. So so

(01:43:42):
that combination of desperation, financial desperation, which the way we've
been governing ourselves for the last twenty years, combined with
the temptation of this money. It's going to be a
difficult thing. So I mean, I'm hoping he takes the
counsel of a lot of the experts that have been
calling your show and sits down and gets a really
good briefing of the Michael Wilson's and the Gabe Gregory's

(01:44:04):
and the day varities and these people and ready comes
up formulates, uh, you know, a mature and long term
thinking response while also trying to balance the fiscal realities
of the province. You know, after promising a chicken in
every pot, you know, the reality he needs hit the road.
And I know I did hear him when he said

(01:44:24):
that he's going to worry about the budgets of Newfoundlanders
and Labradorians before he worries about the budgets of the province.
And I'll argue, they're you know, they're they're linked, directly linked.
And we need leadership on how to manage our budgets
at home just as much as hopefully we're going to
start talking aboutw we might manage our our budgets here

(01:44:46):
for the province.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Yeah, I mean the two can coexist, but you know,
promises of and this goes for everybody running this past
the election running on additional spending promises while also talk
about cutting taxes. It's the math just doesn't that up.
It does. Look, I get tax relief being an easy
self because people would like to have more money in

(01:45:09):
their pocket. Who doesn't. I mean, it's pretty much human nature.
So if you talk about doing a way with the
carbon tax, even if means some people are worse off
than before, Even if you talk about these sugar tax
which I don't know how big an impact it was
on people's pocketbook, but when you say taxes going away,
a lot of voters will go good.

Speaker 12 (01:45:30):
Yeah. But again, I think that we suffered from dearth
as leaders who don't just tell it like it is.
That you know, there's no free lunch, and you know
there's life, there's effort that needs to go into having
a successful household, business and government, and there's sacrifice, and
there's long term investment. And we need the leaders to

(01:45:51):
start talking about that. And I'm hoping that when they
get together, because you know, it's a diverse group of conservatives,
and when they get together and they put their heads
for I hope we can charre to Course Ford. But
I want to I just want to leave two things
in the minds of the people who are looking at
the Upper Churchill because I did have do a little
bit more analysis. And one of the things to look

(01:46:12):
at is just return on investment on an asset. And
so when we look at the existing Upper Churchill project,
if you can value it somewhere sixty one point four
billion on a hundred billion. But if and that's just
based on say site see which is completed fairly recently
at fourteen point five million for megawatt times the fifty
four to twenty eight of the existing and that's seventy
eight point seven billion. But you know it's so summarine

(01:46:34):
sixty one point four and I've heard Michael Wilson s
eventeen eighty and one hundred billion. But just taking those
numbers at sixty one point four billion and at eight
point five percent, which is the way they want to
value goal is they want to basically say, this is
what Quebec wants to do with slash John Hogan previous
government is they wanted to value just on a return

(01:46:55):
on investment of initial investment to build construct something. So
if you just took the existing Upper Churchill and said
you wanted eight point five percent return on sixty one
point four billion, that'd be five point two billion per
year return on investment, and our share would be three
point three billion per year starting right away, and it
was at eighty billion, that number jumps up to six

(01:47:16):
point eight billion, our share being four point four billion.
So that's one measurement of what we should get from
an existing built structure if someone had to build it fresh.
Another analysis which I did was based on oil. So
the Upper Churchill, if you had to produce that much
electricity burning oil, it would be about one hundred and
eighty nine thousand barrels per day, and the revenue from

(01:47:41):
that and that's it. That's at eighty percent capacity. Had
one hundred percent capacity, it'd be a turn at thirty
seven thousand barrels per day. But anyway, that's that's six
point seven eight billion dollars a year in revenue. So
anyway you look at it's somewhere around six to eight
billion dollars a year is what that has It is
worth where you and that's with no profit really other

(01:48:03):
than just return on the initial investment. So when we're
looking at negotiating, people need to look at length I mean,
Seamus came on right after me last week and said
it's a good deal, and you know, I respect Seamus. However,
there's a better deal, and it's going to take not
desperate people, and going to take leadership that is willing

(01:48:25):
to act like a Mark Kearney, act like someone who
who is a deal maker, someone who's who's not afraid
to walk away from the table. And I hope that
the newly elected government is going to be that group
of people. But we'll we'll see. Because we get to
remind everybody over fifty billion dollars or close fifty billion

(01:48:46):
dollars in real liabilities that our province carries around and
an operating depthicit of pretty you know, over two billion
dollars a year. You know, we got, we got what
a great group of people, lots of assets. We just
got to try and start thinking long term and acting
long term.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
Some of the strategy behind negotiating, regardless of while we're
talking about a lot of that has to do with
your dance partner as well. You know, with some if
you're trying to bring predictability or stability or long term
vision to a negotiation, if the other side is not
that then you're just going in there was some cock
eye optimism which is likely to fail. So I'll just

(01:49:27):
put that out there, because negotiating a trade deal with
the Americans is different than negotiating a hydro deal with Hydrokubek,
is different than negotiating how critical minerals deal with name
a company that does mining in the country's north. Tom,
anything else quick before we've got to get to the news.

Speaker 12 (01:49:42):
No, listen, I appreciate you like I want tok you
what Gabe Gregory came out and said earlier. I mean,
open Line proved that Newphie Landers libraries can get together,
have difficult conversations and actually even change the course of
an election. And I really think that a lot of
credit goes to you and David and open Line shows.
So thank you for everything you do.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Appreciate the time. Thanks Tom, take care too, Bye bye.
All right, Tom Davis is the ward for a counselor
here in town. All right, Uh, let's get to the
news break, and of course that friendly reminder. You know,
you've heard several conversations about the MoU and it's a
big issue, and you've heard some reflection on the election proper,
but just that reminder that whatever you want to talk
about is good enough for me. So let's do that

(01:50:21):
right after this. Don't go away the Tim Power Show.

Speaker 1 (01:50:25):
Join the Conversation weekday afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go line number two.
Good morning, Avalon, you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (01:50:37):
Yes, good morning.

Speaker 4 (01:50:38):
How are you?

Speaker 13 (01:50:39):
Good morning?

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
Great today? How are you doing?

Speaker 13 (01:50:42):
That's a bad I ansd some questions I got last
week because I wanted to get the question to him
before the election, but I think they're still relevant. And
the questions are how much money is new from Land's
gonna get Land and Idril from Quebec, Idrel and Quebec
between now and thirty one under the old MoU and

(01:51:03):
under the new MoU and from twenty thirty two to
twenty forty one the same thing, you know, are we
going to get this money? The other question I had
is whether this deal that they're talking about, you know,
is going to be have a chance to be ratified.
But Tony Wakem has already declared he's going to have
a referendum on this, so that answers my question on

(01:51:26):
that had.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
A binding referendum at that which is really something else.

Speaker 13 (01:51:32):
So I think it could because I mean New Foland
has been blaming Quebec for fifty years or so. Now
the people should are the ones who should decide, you know,
like what happens, because we've been a lot tied up
in this now if you go back through I think
Brian told them Quebec idraw walked away from a deal
with Brian Tolban after they got what they wanted. They've

(01:51:54):
done the same thing with Roger Grimes. So is there
a full on commitment in this negotiations that they're taking
place now that the Upper Churcher will be developed or
lower church or will be developed or is it just
they're saying that they're going to do it, you know,
like the is there guarantees in there that this is

(01:52:17):
going to get done? No, are there guarantees in there
that we're going to get you know, Look, if the
power rates are tied, and I would assume that they're
tied to whatever the current rates are in the industry,
then then there will be escalation causes or de escalation
causes if the price goes down, you know, Like that's
my concerns about this.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
Okay, So there's a bunch of questions there so Galled.
The authority to make a decision on proceeding or not
at Call is solely the responsibility of Hydro Quebec. And
there's a bunch of equity breakdown conversations. There are a
new corporation to be set up. They will and here's
what the MLU says, they would pay our equity stakes

(01:53:00):
two to three point five billion dollars if they don't
proceed with Gol. There's a quote unquote penalty that includes
one point five billion dollars coming our way. But my
initial thoughts on Goll is there's no way Quebec is
interested in reopening the Upper Churchill unless Goll was part
of it. Like, there's no real reason to believe they
won't develop Gull Island. I mean, as far as I
can tell, they need the power and the expansion of

(01:53:21):
the Upper is not going to satisfy their power needs.
So I can't I can't consider some of our part
of that side the right word. I can't understand the
scenario where they don't proceed at Gall, Like none of
that makes any sense to me. That's why they came.

Speaker 13 (01:53:36):
But they came to Ryan Toby and then they came
to ride to Rhymes and they walked away. So why
did they walk away at that time?

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Well, that got shot down politically here in the province.

Speaker 13 (01:53:46):
I don't think so. Well it is I think the
product more than they were prepared to give.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Well, Grimes had a deal like that was until it
made its way to final pen to paper and definite agreement.
That plan was agreed upon on both sides, and that
just went by the way. Danny william Sheldon, I'm.

Speaker 13 (01:54:04):
Talking to go back to h Roger Grimes and Brian Tolben.
There was lying before Danny Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
I just said Roger Grimes.

Speaker 13 (01:54:12):
Yeah, but went back to Brian Tolb and also yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
That was a completely different cantle of fish, that Tolbn
memorandum of understanding which never made.

Speaker 13 (01:54:20):
It that fir, they're guaranteed put in here that they
can't walk away.

Speaker 7 (01:54:25):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
That who can't walk away?

Speaker 13 (01:54:29):
That Quebec can't walk away.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Well, there's no contract yet, so anybody can walk away
at this stage.

Speaker 13 (01:54:36):
I know that. But in this new memoryum of understanding,
if our government compared to put in there, Quebec cannot
walk away. But that's that's one of my major concerns.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
Well, I mean, I don't know what would be the
worry of regard to Quebec walking away. I think most
people in the province have to worry about our ability
to walk away if things change dramatically, of which there
are two not hit off ramps in the MoU twenty
fifty one, twenty sixty one. But that's a long way
down the road.

Speaker 13 (01:55:07):
Yeah, well we've done this in twenty sixty nine. In
nineteen sixty nine, we're lying down the road, long ways
down the road from Debt and we're getting mutt point
zero two cents for killing about hour an hour or
something zero point two yep, you know, and Quebeca is
basically there are people we're paying I'm not sure what
it is now, somewhere around thirteen since kill about hour

(01:55:28):
and Quebec is playing five point eight. That don't sound
like a rub arrangement to me. And the power is
coming from loop of nine on the island.

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
We're paying fourteen point two to three seven cents for
generation and delivery. Then there's fees associated with that, so
we pay over fifteen cents. The Labrador unconnected link is
about three point one four cents, Quebec on the annualized
average pays about eight cents.

Speaker 13 (01:55:55):
Okay, so we're still a long way as a part.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
Right, right, But I don't know how we could have
deal with that. That would end up being a political decision.
If this ever happened, then money's began to flow, politicians
of the day would have to decide where that money goes. So,
I mean, Hydrocopec is not going to subsidize our rates.
I mean we can all be honest with that. So
if a politician, let's just say, on the average, which
is not every single year between now and forty one,

(01:56:19):
if the money coming in the door, if it was
up to me, it would be spent on the debt
and control my rates the end, not anything else.

Speaker 13 (01:56:30):
Well that's what would be with me too, you know,
paid under debt seccur or some of our rates. But
I don't know because they're not telling.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
Us anything, right, anything in particular that they're not telling us,
or you think that they're not telling us, or something
that's being inaccurately portrayed.

Speaker 13 (01:56:52):
Well, like I'll go back to this independent or not
go back, but I'll bring up this independent review committee.
One person walked away from them. We don't know why
he walked away, whether he wasn't happy, or whether he
had something else in his mind or whatever. Like, you know,
like his resignation. Resignation letter should have been out there
so that we could see why he walked away. You know,

(01:57:15):
he might be displeased with the state the negotiations. Right now,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
Well, we kind of do know in general terms, the
letter that was released with all the redactions is a problem.
But even for Tony Wakem, when people have asked me
to present this to mister Wakem, would he commit to
release in Michael Wilson's resignation letter in full? And I
have no idea how mister Wakem would answer that. But
the starting point there would be to tear up the
non disclosure agreement because whatever is redacted is likely covered

(01:57:43):
with the NDA, and even mister Wilson himself acknowledges that point.
So Tony Wakem would have to shred the NDA to
then release it. And then you know, look, I like
as much information as humanly possible, but inside of that
are there some things that we really don't wan hydrocopectacy
as well, So it's a complicated question. I'd like to
see more information. Mister Wilson has done a lot of

(01:58:05):
work after the fact that he resigned from the panel
to do further analysis of breakdown different schedules, which has
been you know, happy enough with me to send these
things along. But yeah, I mean the NBA would have
to be considered for that letter to be released. I
think that's just the legalities of it all.

Speaker 13 (01:58:23):
Yeah, probably, And you might be right. I don't know
the le galities of an either. You know, I'm a
bit concerned about the three people on this independent committee,
you know, like I don't know their biases, you know,
like I think that that should be a little bit
more public. You know who these people are, what their
expertise is, because I mean, we need someone and wakem

(01:58:44):
is committed to doing this. We need an independant review
of this, someone who's got no accent, the grind, no,
you know, nothing, to make sure that New Flying is
the best possible deal for the next fifty sixty years.
And that's what I'm at.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
Look, I'm after the same thing. I live here, I
want to live for a long term. I want my
kids to be able to make a life here. And
some of that has a lot to do with this
deal and a variety of other things, because it can't
be just one thing. But this is important. No argument
coming from me whatsoever. Anything else you'd like to say
this morning.

Speaker 13 (01:59:15):
I'm not not against the deal with Quebec. I think
newplan got to deal with Quebec. I don't think there's
any other way for us to do it. We just
got to get a good deal with Quebec.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
Yeah, it's always going to have to be mutually beneficial
or guarantee if we try to win Quebec, that's not
going to happen. They're the biggest bullies on the block.

Speaker 13 (01:59:35):
Wasn't mutually beneficial?

Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
It was not, and they acknowledge it finally. But that's
you know, that's cold comforts. You can't eat that.

Speaker 4 (01:59:43):
No, no, no, a great.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
Appreciate the time, Thanks for calling, no problem, Okay, by
all the best, Bye bye. Before we get to the
reckless god of line number one, Good morning, Greta, you're
on the air.

Speaker 12 (01:59:55):
Good morning, Good morning to you.

Speaker 14 (02:00:00):
A beautiful day here.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
Glad to hear. Where's hair? Where are you?

Speaker 14 (02:00:05):
Mustrave Harber? Lovely, it is very beautiful here. We're making
positive out of the negative.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
What would you like to tell us about what's going
on in most Grave?

Speaker 14 (02:00:19):
Harber Well, we've been exploring and walking the beach every
morning and uh witness sing some really really really strong
winds a few days ago, and that we had wool
on and we managed. And we've gone to a few

(02:00:40):
different care facilities and visited some of the elderly people
there and learning about time here, and the elderly have
so much wisdom, so it's really fun to visit them.
And then we took a drive to Gander and I
went to a museum there, a couple of museums, and

(02:01:03):
then to the airport. One museum and to the airport
and we ran into on a walk there, we ran
into air traffic controller from who was working at the
time of nine one one, So that was so interesting
and we're learning more about that as time goes on.

(02:01:25):
We're just so thankful for all the kindness. I don't know,
I have no words to describe how thankful we are.

Speaker 2 (02:01:32):
Well, I'm glad you're enjoying a positive experience here in
this neck of the woods. Generally speaking, we're pretty kind
and generous and open armed with visitors to the province.
And I'm glad that's how it's going for you.

Speaker 14 (02:01:48):
Oh yes, I don't think we've met a rude person yet.
I just everybody is so friendly and happy to visit
and tell us their story.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
And Greta already you visiting? Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 14 (02:02:03):
We're from the states. We're from Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (02:02:05):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (02:02:08):
It just seems where we've gone on walks in the
woods like Carmonville and the people there and are so
friendly and nice. It's just been very enjoyable to meet
all these kind people.

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
I mean, there's lots of good people around. Is one
of the mottos of Minnesota the Land of ten thousand Lakes.

Speaker 14 (02:02:32):
Right, Yes, we have many, many, many lakes.

Speaker 2 (02:02:35):
Yeah, lots of little small bodies of water. And this
is sort of a question a pro paul of nothing.
But it's one of the American hotbeds of ice hockey,
are you guys hockey fans?

Speaker 14 (02:02:45):
Oh yes, oh good?

Speaker 4 (02:02:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (02:02:48):
Minnesota wild and then.

Speaker 8 (02:02:51):
Growing up, my brothers.

Speaker 14 (02:02:52):
Played in town hockey before they had indoor ice and
find the air a small town got a ice arena.
But yeah, it's really fun to watch the playoffs and
the little guys learned to play, you know, starting at
a young age, and we've made ice rinks in our
backyard raising our little kids as always like got flood

(02:03:12):
the ice no matter how cold it is.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
Absolutely we did a lot of skating on the pond
and the bogs as kids as well. Greta, I'm glad
you're joining your experience in most Grave Harbor. How long
are you staying before you return to Minnesota?

Speaker 14 (02:03:27):
Oh, we're waiting to We're waiting for our transmission to
arrive in Saint John's. It's getting rebuilt right now, so
we're hoping to get back as soon as we can.
We have a brand new grandaughter that was born yesterday.
So anyhow, we're just trying to make lemons out of

(02:03:49):
lemonade out of lemon Well.

Speaker 2 (02:03:50):
Good for you. How many grandchildren do you have? Is
that your first sore or is it many?

Speaker 14 (02:03:54):
No, you better sit down first, Okay, I'm sitting that's
her twenty fourth grandchild.

Speaker 2 (02:04:02):
What twenty four?

Speaker 14 (02:04:05):
My husband, they've been only married to him.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
That's amazing. And so the newest granddaughter, what's.

Speaker 14 (02:04:12):
Her name, the youngest one, Yeah, Rina, Rina, Greta.

Speaker 2 (02:04:19):
Rina, Greta beautiful. And so do you have any great grandchildren?

Speaker 3 (02:04:24):
No, not yet, thank goodness, won't belong.

Speaker 14 (02:04:29):
You're seventeen Milan.

Speaker 2 (02:04:33):
Wonderful, really pleased to meet you this morning, Greta. Thanks
for doing the fingers crossed you get your trend and
the transmission back soon and get home to Minnesota safely.

Speaker 14 (02:04:41):
Yes, big shout out to Tom and Liz and Joey.
And we couldn't have done it without them. It's really
been a blessing.

Speaker 2 (02:04:52):
Really please to hear, Regretta. Thanks for making time for
the show.

Speaker 14 (02:04:56):
All right, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (02:04:58):
You're welcome. Bye bye, hear there you go. Twenty four
grand kids. I'd like to have some grand kids one
of these days. Oh and getting the transmission worked on,
I should have asked, is rex Scuti doing the work?
Let's take a break, don't go away, welcome back to
the show. Let's go to line number four. Second more so.
Yet another author this time is Michael Boyle. Good morning, Michael,
you're on the air.

Speaker 15 (02:05:18):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 4 (02:05:20):
A great show.

Speaker 15 (02:05:21):
I know you're tied up with politics and so forth.
I have a new memoir called on New Turf, On
New Turf, and it's doing quite well, and it details.
I'll give you the one sentence summary. As a young
lad of twenty three, I left the moss land of
County Derry, Ireland to come and seek my fortune on

(02:05:44):
Island Harbor, Fogo Island. What happened to me? Well, that's
the story, and it's a story not about me. It's
a story about what it was like in Newfoundland in
the sixties, late sixties and seventies, and it's a vast,
vast difference on what it is today. You'd agree with that.

Speaker 2 (02:06:03):
A hundred percent. And I'm enjoying the read. I actually
have a copy of that you were thankful enough to
send along to where I'm grateful that you sent it along.
So just because I just mentioned hockey with Greta from Minnesota,
you know, I know you started on fog go out
to spend time up the shore, but you also spend
time again to where a CFA learned to skate.

Speaker 15 (02:06:21):
Yes, indeed, yeah, that's an interesting chapter, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (02:06:24):
Hello.

Speaker 15 (02:06:25):
I didn't get any I didn't get any call up
us to play with the pros. I did play played
the game an exhibition game up the Southern Show with
Liola Hearn and Bernard Kavanaugh. I think that was that
was a fun That was a fun event. You know,
it was on a line there and talking with the
Southern Show, you probably noticed. The cover of the book
was very interesting in the sense that I asked Jerry

(02:06:48):
Squires when I was up the shore to come in
into my classroom in Baltimore High and talk about art,
and Jerry didn't follow my instructions.

Speaker 4 (02:06:57):
I don't know if you got.

Speaker 3 (02:06:57):
To that part yet, have you.

Speaker 2 (02:06:59):
No, No, not quite.

Speaker 15 (02:07:02):
Jerry told me to sit down and stay at my
desk and told the kids to cook, be down around
and after about twenty five minutes Jerry come up with
the painting which is the cover of the book. The
cover of the book and talking about the book on
the back of the book. I've got a couple of
real heavywits who've really endorsed the book, a person like

(02:07:26):
Lindon McIntyre. Lindon McIntyre, and I've also got a very
famous Irish writer, Bernie McGill. But the book itself, I
think speaks for itself. I don't know if you you've
looked at the Gander experiences and I went to Vogo
and the best thing to say is things didn't quite
work out. Without giving a spoil alert, I you'd agree

(02:07:47):
with that.

Speaker 2 (02:07:48):
I absolutely will agree with that. It's painstake to be
clear that it didn't work out as intended and for
folks who maybe didn't understand who Lyndon McIntyre is. Former
Giller Prize winner, so notable to say the very lees
and also a little shout out from up the shore
if I remember correctly loyal to Hearn who was a
longtime member of partlem of but also the ambassador of
Ireland at one point.

Speaker 15 (02:08:09):
Yes, I always very supportive and the book was selling
well off the shore and also selling in Ireland. It's
incredible that type of thing, but it hasn't been really
knowing and known in Saint John's until this is sort
of the first live interview talking about the book, which
is available in all the local good bookstores and a

(02:08:29):
place downtown called a Lane's a Lanes, tickle Trunk and legends.
Those are fantastic places downtown as well as them all itself.
It's it's an interesting read and and it's again it's
not about me. There's a it's not a book of
an achievements. There's no sort of there's no gold medals
and awards. But I think the important thing I think

(02:08:52):
a lot of people in this problems can relate to
it because it's a it's a journey that they've experienced themselves,
if they came from a small outport and had to
come to university or had to go to study in
the mail Land. I think they can see that. They
can see the kind of as a kind of toughness
it was, and the resilience in it. I think you

(02:09:13):
probably saw that yourself.

Speaker 2 (02:09:14):
I did. Indeed, Michael, also appreciate the large font as
my eyes grow old and weary, so I'll add that
to the mix as well. I'm going to continue reading it, Michael.
I'm going to sneak out one more call, but good
luck with the continued success with a new turf a memoir.

Speaker 15 (02:09:29):
Okay, thanks very much, Patty, take care.

Speaker 2 (02:09:30):
All the best, Michael. All right, bye bye bye. Finnberg
goes to the line number two, Father and Nelson born
with good Shepherd Parish and Saint Mary's. Good morning father Born,
you're on the air, Good morning party, How are you
great today? Thanks about yourself.

Speaker 16 (02:09:43):
I am feeling fantastic, Patty, because today I am officially
joining the half century Club. Was celebrating my fiftieth birthday.

Speaker 2 (02:09:51):
Happy, Happy birthday. It's you fifty great number. And before
we run out of time, father, I want to make
sure you get a chance to promote the upcoming event. Gohead, sir.

Speaker 4 (02:10:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (02:10:00):
So, I'm a priest assigned to Good Shepherd Parish in
Saint Mary's Bay which I served the small communities from
Peters River down to North Harbor. It's a long drive though,
but it is a fulfilling work for spiritual and pastoral
care of my parishioners. Now, Paddy, I am reaching out
to invite all friends and parishioners, both me and far
as well as anyone connected to Good Shepherd Parish in

(02:10:22):
Saint Mary's Bay to support our fundraiser concert for the parish,
the in Alpinoy Music Ministry. The Filipinos from Saint John's
will perform for free along with three local talents Peter
Mackie Boy, Shannon Power and Judio brazil So. The concert
will be held on Saturday this Saturday, October eighteen at
seven pm at our Lady of Assumption Church in Saint

(02:10:44):
Mary's and the admission is twenty dollars. Paddy, Hopefully everyone
will be able to support this noble cause.

Speaker 2 (02:10:51):
I hope it's a royal success. Father born, thank you
for making time for the program and happy birthday. Enjoy
the rest of your day.

Speaker 16 (02:10:58):
Thank you, Fady for accommodating my request.

Speaker 4 (02:11:00):
God bless you.

Speaker 2 (02:11:00):
The very same to you, father, thank you, thank you,
Bye bye. Father. Nelson Bourne, good Sheep with Powers, shutting
sin Sa Mariies her good show today, Big thanks to
all hands. We will indeed pick up this conversation again
tomorrow morning right here on VOCM and Big Land of
FM's Open Line on behalf of the producer David Williams.
I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun,
happy day. We'll talk in the morning. Bye bye,

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