Wednesday Oct 1st

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line call seven oh nine two
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host Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
so much for tuning into the program. It's Wednesday, October
the first. This is open Line. I'm your host Patty Daily,
David Williams. He's produced the program. Let's get it go.
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eight five ninety VOCM, which is eighty six twenty six.
I know Brian callin. Oh big thanks to Calan for
sitting in for me on Monday while I made a
four day weekend out of it, so I know he
regaled you with some Blue Jays talkers, some mother sports
talk which I was really appreciating. So go Jays, and
of course the big question will become who'd rather face
the Boston Red Sox are the New York Yankees. So

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the Yankees kind of laid an egg last night at
Yankee Stadium. The Red Sox take game number one. So
if you're up for a bit of baseball conversation, please
do And I know Kalahan also mentioned Ryder Cup and
the borish behavior of some of the American fans, some
of the American fans at bet Page Black at the
Ryder Cup. I don't think you're going to be able
to see that kind of competition be held at that

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golf course ever again in the future. I mean it
was sheer and utter madness, but anyway, enjoyable to watch
all the same as Europeans hang on to win. All right,
municipal elections around the province tomorrow, except for in Saint John's.
I've received and I don't check my email necessarily very
off when i'm off, but I did over the course
of the weekend and yesterday and Monday, just because there's

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so many big issues on the go now, I didn't
reply too many, So if you really need me to
see the email, please resend it. So in town the
election will now be on October the eighth, and of
course plenty of mail in ballots, some confusion out there,
you know, beginning with the fact that the voter on
list is simply not updated to the point where it
needs to be. People, and I've told you the story
many times. They just picked this one particular family. Mom

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and dad still live in the family home, the kids
moved out, but yet long behald, they had seven ballots
moms and dads and their kids and for people who
used to live in that home, which is unbelievable. Now
with the issue, had good on Canada Post for sending
some of their striking workers back into the post office
to try to read, you know, to get the ballots
that were stuck in the system. People worry about this

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now where they talk about some of these safeguards that
are in place. And one thing, and this is a
direct quote from the lady representing the city on this
particular election, there is no risk for duplicate ballots to
be counted as ballots that aren't confirmed received will be
invalidated before a replacement voting kit is issued. So the
Canada Post issue, whether or not they get legislated back

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to work or whatever the case may be but this
is a huge wrinkle into the Saint John's Electional hopefully
doesn't impact on people's faith in the integrity of the election,
but if you want to take it on, we can
do it. One story that got floated to me dozens
of times was the report that there was going to
be healthcare cuts and five key areas. And of course,

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obviously when people hear that, they get their back up
for the obvious reasons. The healthcare system, even though we
spend four billion dollars each per year on healthcare, and
we know about the wait time issue and access to
primary care, all of these types of things. But one question,
John Hogan said, there will be zero cuts to the
healthcare system, not one. Penny did make reference to the
fact that an l health service, as CEO doctor Pat

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Paraphrey has said many times in the past, with the
amount of what he calls unnecessary testing, eliminate some of that,
and of course there's costs savings achieved there. People also
worry about what's referred to as unnecessary testing, but you
know full well there's plenty of tests that are ordered
because the family is worried, the patient is were and

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or they come in demanding X test or Y test,
and so maybe there's some savings there. On top of that.
We will continue to ask the major question about achieving
savings identifying redundancies. When the four regional health authorities were
Malk made it into one. What became of that? We
were told there was something there, but I haven't heard
much about it. Your thoughts and you want to take
it on. Oh, this was not huge in the world

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of healthcare, but it's an interesting topic. Brought forward by
one of our Twitter followers. He set a topic for
discussion on the show. We were fifteen hours in emerge yesterday.
No word of plugging your phone in the seating area.
Bottled water three fifty a pop. So you know when,
for instance, you go to the airport or other places
and you can have a water refilling station, you know,
not necessarily bottled water, but just right into the water

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system inside the hospital where you can just refill your
water bottle. I thought that was an interesting topic, albeit
not the biggest one on the face of the earth.
But there you go. Also plenty of questions flying in
about the status of the aging well grant. Now we
have heard a premier ho can talk about doubling it
from four hundred dollars to eight hundred dollars. Same thing
with the caregiver benefit. Some things have changed, and let's

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get into it. Eligibility criteriat This did change this year.
So it's thirty two thousand dollars for single applicants. It
used to be twenty four nine hund ninety nine dollars.
Forty eight thousand dollars. For couples it was previously thirty
five thousand dollars. So the application deadline was the twenty
eighth of February earlier this year. But I'm told by
many who are eligible that the money has not flowed

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as of yet. A couple of things that are important.
If you applied and were approved for the Aging Well
at Home grant in the past, you do not need
to reapply your application get reviewed and processed with the
information that you've already provided. Same thing with the caregiver benefit.
So it would be nice to know exactly where that
money is because once again, when you talk about the
dozens of emails, plenty questions about exactly where is that money.

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It's a good thing, and you know it could be
used for snow clearing or grocery delivery or whatever you
need to spend it on. And one of the strange
caveats inside this program is people are encouraged to keep
receipts just in case they're asked about how they spent
their four hundred bucks for starters regardless of who's going
to form the next government. Can we not be that

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foolish and that level of bureaucracy to ask a seventy
five year old senior about how they spent their four
hundred bucks. If they spent it to get the path shoveled,
are they spent it on their heat bill, or they
spent it out whatever, that's it. You know, let's not
chase people around for receipts about how they spend four
hundred bucks. What do you think? All right, let's go.
And in the world of aging, well, you know, we
hear some announcements about building seniors living units in lab

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West and affordable housing and the NDP talk about building
one thousand units per year in the affordability envelope. Still
not hear much about the cost benefited analysis and the
emotional cost benefited analysis about staying in your own home longer. Again,
some of these things that get a lot of conversation
during the course of a four year term when it
comes campaign time and we can get into promises and

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spending and tax scots. And of course none of the
parody is talking about doing anything about the debt, anything
about addressing the depthsit because it's easy to promise and
it's hard to be thrifty. No one wants to hear
about cuts. No one wants to hear about jobs being lost.
No one wants to hear about efficiencies that might compromise
counter service, as they say, but anyway you want to

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get into it. And one of the announcements regarding some
additional spend, and it's hard to argue with this one
necessarily is twenty four hour, seven days a week snow clearing.
Now already there's twenty four to seven snow clearing in
certain parts of the province, so reinstating it. Mister wakem
of course made this pledge. Is that he says it
was a liberal mistake to do away with it. It wasn't

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done away within full but fair enough. Then it's extending
moose fencing. I don't think that's a bad idea either,
And of course if the fence doesn't go from coast
to coasts with no gaps other than cattle gates to
allow for the flow of animals and people and their
quads or whatever. There's always going to be the possibility
for most to be trapped on the wrong side of
the fence. But as I've mentioned, when you travel out

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of town and you're on that stretch of highway that
is covered by the moose fence, it does. And of
course you can't just rest on your laurels and become
complacent and think that, well, there's impossible for a most
to be there, because it is obviously possible. But for
folks who are concerned on that front as the motoring public,
let's do it all right. There's also talk of creating
a Crown corporation, and this is the NDP once again,

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and I kind of hesitant to dig in and all
the promises made by various parties, because if you miss one,
all of a sudden, you're siding with one party or another,
which I have no interest in. But the concept of
a Crown corporation responsible for recruiting and retaining healthcare professionals,
I'm always weary of adding any layer of bureaucracy even
though something as critically important as making sure that people

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in the problems have an equitable shot at access to
primary care. Of course, there's already a Deputy Minister responsible,
and yes there's some recruiting done by the Department, there's
some recruiting done by and Health Services. But you know,
I get the concept of streamlining it, bringing it all
under one roof, but with what's already been established as
recruiting teams and a Deputy Minister or part of me

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an ADM responsible for it just feels like we're over
complicating which is already a very complicated matter. But adding
a standalone Crown corporation with that responsibility, I'm not so sure.
You know, adding bureaucracy is exactly what we need. And
obviously with all the pledges about adding x number of

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law enforcement officers or healthcare professionals and establishing the thirty
five collaborative care clinics, what have you? Still no real
detail and about how to attract someone to work in
some of the more rural, isolated, remote parts of the
province and country. Not a whole lot there like for starters,
unless the comment off the top is we will ensure

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one housing for someone who's going to be wooed or rowed,
or recruited or incentivized to right in one part of
the province or another, as opposed to really leaning in
on the expansion of local opportunities for healthcare proas, which
I think probably is not perfect because it doesn't mean
a permanent access to a family doctor or a nurse practitioner,

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or whatever the case may be where you live, but
it's probably more manageable in the realistic world. Just one
second and quick sip of coffee, we're back. Also just
mentioned housing, so we hear plenty of people talking about
incentive for first time home buyers, including mister Dan yesterday

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the NDP talking about one day this week talk about
doubling the finances for people who are first time home buyers.
It's a feel good look. I get it. When I
was a first time home buyer, any additional financial support
would have been most welcome in our household, as opposed
to the scrimping and saving to come up with the
down payment to meet the mortgage stress test, all those things.

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But realistically we have a supply problem. You know, I know,
if you're a first time home buyer out there and
you're thinking, I really like that idea. I get it.
Any little bit of help is absolutely most welcome. But
ginning up the demand side when we have a supply
side issue is kind of counterintuitive as far as I
can tell, and I don't know about you, But also,
what does that do for the prices of homes? When

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first time home buyers have a bit more flexibility to
get in what is a very competitive landscape and multiple
bids coming in on properties is probably the go too,
and it's more often the case than not. Then more
money means more bids means higher home prices. I'm not
so sure we're hitting the affordability target by ginning up
the demand side, But anyway, your thoughts. Also, in the

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world of frequent emails regarding campaign promises and or pledges
or questions, is is there a reason why this problems
has not signed on to the National Pharmacare program? Curiously,
I saw news in the story a part of me
of a story in the news this morning about a jet
and being interviewed who's a diabetic in soci's wife and
spending you know, fourteen hundred dollars a year on supplies

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when that's one of the two areas covered by the
National Farmacare program. If there's a good reason why we're
not in, why doesn't someone just let us know? Because
as taxpayers, I'm already contributing to that program. And so
is a gentleman who was being questioned about or asking
questions of every parody as to are we going to
sign on? The Prime Minister apparently talked about encouraging and

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negotiating with all the provinces and territories to sign on.
But there's several that happened. And is there some reason why?
Because I don't really necessarily get it. If you want
to take it on, we can do it all right,
and then it suck. I'm kind of tired going through
these promises. But you know, back to school, I mean
we blocked the bus here in the Single Parent Association
with all the work they do to try to help

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families who don't have the money to get some backpack
supplies in hand, scribblers and pencils and coloring leads and
all the rest of it. So Premier talking about the
fact that there's some sixty three thousand plus students in
the CADD twelve system as of January twenty twenty four,
talk about adding three million dollars in additional funding, which
breaks down to about forty eight dollars per student to

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get free school supplies for students from pre kindergarten to
grade six beginning next September. I hear the stories. I mean,
we have people coming to us all the time looking
for some help to supply their child to go back
to school. And so I mean, it's hard to say
that this is a bad idea, But would it not

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be a little bit more efficient if we were talking
about a means test, you know, a certain level of income.
Because for the folks like in and around town, there's
plenty of people that are struggling, but there's also tons
of money around. Would it not be better to have
a bit more of a keen focus on who really
needs the help versus just throw the doors open and

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everybody gets forty eight dollars per You're not getting forty
eight dollars cash, but you're getting those free supplies. When
many families, including families listen to this per program this morning,
they don't struggle as mightily as other families put back
to school. So maybe that forty eight dollars per student
could be sixty eight dollars per student if folks who
are high income earners weren't also part of the plant.

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But your thoughts anyway, let's go and talking about money,
and this one is a real huge issue, and it's
funding and what's going on at in Mercy Women's Shelters.
For starters, the fact that so many women and their
children have to run for their very life to look
for a spot in a Mercy shelter is a story
that does not get enough attention because it's traumatic, it's emotional.

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But the less we talk about it, or the infrequency
with which we bring it up, then of course the
problem just persists. So there's a lot to it, but
for them to struggle like they are now at least
a Slaaney is being interviewed in this particular story. Of course,
she's managing the Gray Sparks House down in Marystown and
she's more than welcome to join us to talk about
the funding. The numbers of people that are looking for

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Mercy shelter is growing, but funding has not grown commensurate
with the need. In addition to that, so the unionized employees,
they negotiate directly with the government, but no inclusion with
the shelters, so their cost to operate go up simply
based on benefits and salaries for their unionized workers, but
the funding has not grown with that additional expense. You

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can't see this be the case. Look they talk about it,
Gray Sparks. They've missed payroll twice this year with the
important work they're doing, and still have to go to
the government to remind them that. Look, my operating costs
went up based on negotiated contracts with our unionized employees,
but the shelter funding has not. So they'll make reference
to the fact that Newfland Labador Housing Corporation has provided

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you know, what, was it, nine point two million dollars
in funding last year. That's fine. But if that nine
point two is not enough, because you know, we can't
just say everything requires more money because that not necessarily
the case. But the Mercy Women Shelters, if the funding
has not increased but the government has negotiated higher salaries
and benefits for people working in the shelters, let's try

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to dovetail one that is handing love with the other.
Your thoughts, all right? How we doing? O?

Speaker 3 (16:06):
There?

Speaker 2 (16:06):
David? A couple of very quick ones before we get
to you, so exce on Mobile apparently slashing some two
thousand jobs, about four percent of their global workforce, and
talking about what impacts might be in Canada, which begs
the question what might be the impacts here? I have
no idea what we're trying to chase it to see
what those numbers look like. Then we're told that on
the federal level, the next wave of nation building projects

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will be announced within the next month, lots of focusing
on the Arctic and art sovereignty and critical minerals in
the North, what have you. But in this province people
will ask the questions. Obviously, the three projects that would
be in consideration Beta Nord so I don't know how
that constitutes a nation building project, but there's potential for
federal government involvement to cover off all the hundreds of

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millions of dollars in royalties that will be flown to
the United Nations. Then, of course people will talk about
the Fixed Link. The Liberals themselves have called it a
nation building project. It's at the infrastructure back in Canada,
so will that be included? Then? The last one in
the big conversation here in those province, for many people
is gall Island, the Upper Churchill memorandum of understanding and
all the questions surrounding it, were happy to take it

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on here on the program Last One. So I try
not to watch much in the way of American news.
I read is enough to make sure I'm informed of
what as best I can with what's going on down there.
So while the government has shut down in the United States,
still babbling on in incoherent rambles about fifty first state nonsense,

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is that ever going to go away? And how are
not all Canadians just irritated by that? How can that
just be something that people think is okay? And last one,
as per congressional testimony in front of a part of
me a congressional companie, apparently there's at least one Canadian
and in this case a Canadian billionaire who has been
directly implicated regarding interaction with Jeffrey Epstein. So you must

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think it's just an American story, but apparently not. And
not wanting to identify, investigate, prosecute, and punish people who
have been involved in child sex trafficking. I don't get it.
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When we come back, Jim's in the Q. I don't
know I we're gonna start with Jim, but he found
a pair of robbers. That's a good one. And never

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speak with you with whatever's on your mind. Don't away.
Welcome back to the show quickly. To correct myself is
one why I was talking about a potential for a
Crown Corporation for recruitment and potentional healthcare professionals. That's not
an MDP campaign pledge. That's a liberal campaign pledge. And
you heard what I had to say about it. Let's
go to a line number seven. Say good morning to
doctor Lesli Phillips, Professor Morrel University and working at the

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Medication Therapy Clinic. I believe now retire doctor Phillips around
the air.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Good morning, Patty, and that's correct. I am retired, which
means I have lots of time to call in to.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
You and I appreciate making time for the program. Congratulations
on any retirement, Thanks so.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Much, Patty. I wanted to take a few minutes of
everyone's time this morning to talk about what is absolutely
the most important thing that we need to do if
we're really serious about improving our health care system, saving
lives and reducing health care expenditures. So our government, following

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the new Land Health Accord, did set a goal to
move towards becoming the healthiest province by twenty thirty one.
And I'm going to submit to you that it's simply
not possible to ever get there if we do not
manage the number one cause of preventable morbidity and mortality

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and health care costs in our province. And that is,
of course, tobacco use and its underlying driver, which is
nicotine addiction. And it is an addiction, it's not a
bad habit. And you know, the tobacco settlement is an
extraor ordinary opportunity that we have to invest in the

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health and economical well being of our population now but
also for generations to come. And we know, despite initial plans, Patty,
not all of it ended up as a down payment
on the twenty twenty four twenty five deficits.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, I mean that's a big topic in and of itself.
I mean money that we don't even have, and we've
you know, put it on the books already, which is
something that has been defended quite aggressively by the government,
even though I don't quite make sense of it all
the same. So let's talk about smoking cessation, because you know,
there was a number of years ago the government was
talking about that, but then they were doing it based
on income and for low income earners would be able

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to access. But of course nicotine and the cigars or
the cigarettes, they don't know how much money you make.
The implications are the same for my overall health. So
where should we be going? How do we think about this?

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Well?

Speaker 4 (20:53):
I want to first. I want to talk about death, disease,
and money if I can, because tobacco affects all of us,
and I think there are a lot of people out
there think, oh, this is not important to me. I
don't smoke. Well, let's talk about death. In Newfoundland, we've
got about fifty five six hundred current smokers smoking kills

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one in two smokers prematurely. So that means twenty seven thousand,
eight hundred of those individuals will die earlier than they
should have from a tobacco related illness. In fact, about
a thousand Newfoundlanders and Laboradorians die every year in this
province from a smoking caused illness, and in fact, the

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number of deaths due to tobacco each year in this
province exceeds all other substance substances of abuse combined. So
that's death. Now, some people might say, well, they're dead,
so they won't cost us anything after that. But so
let's talk about disease. Because for every smoker that dies,
twenty more are currently with a tobacco related disorder. And Patty,

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smoking causes at least sixteen types of cancer. But it's
the leading preventable cause of lung cancer deaths, and a
lot of people may not be aware of this, but
tobacco control actually prevents ninety eight percent of lung cancer deaths.
And I'll compare that with just two percent prevented by
lung screening, which by the way, we pay for. So

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that's a compelling figure. Ninety eight percent of lung cancer deaths.
And you know, smoking also the leading preventable cause of
cardiovascular disease and COPD deaths, and in fact, it's the
most effective treatment in stopping the progression of COPD. And
there's dozens of other illnesses too, Patty, I could go
on about those, but in the interest of time, I won't,

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and I want to talk about costs. More than thirty
percent of hospital beds are occupied by adults who are
there because the smoking related illness. Tobacco costs our system
tens of millions of dollars every year in direct health
care costs and lost productivity. I have figures for twenty

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twenty Newfalans direct health care costs were estimated at one
hundred and twenty three million dollars. That's from smoking. It's
higher than alcohol again and all the other substances of abuse,
and our productivity losses were one hundred and thirty six
million dollars. So we're spending one hundred and twenty three

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million dollars a year on health care costs related to
tobacco use. Smoking cessation the most powerful intervention we can deliver,
In fact, the greatest impact on annual debts is preventedive measures.
We all know that smoking cessation, physical activity, vaccination provide

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far greater benefits than things like pap smears and men
ammograms and lungs cancer screening and treating diseases after they've
already occurred. And you know, it amazes me that we
don't pay more attention to it. Because treating tobacco use
disorder is probably one of the least expensive and the

(24:19):
most cost effective things we can do. A quit attempt
costs you about five hundred and two one thousand bucks. Well,
how much does it cost of diagnose and treat lung
cancer or heart disease or COPD? A lot more than that,
and we pay for those willingly. And I'm not saying
we shouldn't, but we're forgetting the most important part of

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all of this, which is prevention. And we know now
with high certainty evidence, high certainty, that reducing the cost
of cessation for smokers increases quit attempts and quit rate
success significantly at long term follow up. There's simply no

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reason not to do it.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Okay, So let's talk about how it would work. So
are we talking about you simply go to the pharmacy
and those sociation tools will be free of charge, maybe
with a dispensing fee or something, or how would people
get access to whatever, because there's a variety of different tools.

Speaker 6 (25:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
So, a little while ago, Patty, a bunch of us
with who are in the field and including individuals living
experience of tobacco, we got together and we formed the
Coalition for a Dictine Free News Inland, and as part
of that, we have created a position paper that we

(25:40):
will present to government about what needs to be done
and how to do it, and we actually have a
summary of recommendations. But obviously one of those that's a
big on the list near and dear to me is
universal access to quit medications. And there are a number
of different ways that can be done. So one way

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that can happen is that people can yes go to
their pharmacy and can automatically build Other provinces have a
mail out or a quit card voucher that people who
are enrolled in programs to quit smoking and have access
to the covers the costs of their medications. So there's
lots of different ways that I think that we can

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do this.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Fair enough before I have to get to the break
on another call, would you look to add it in
this morning while we have you, doctor.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Phillips, Sorry, Petty, I missed that.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Before I have to go, would you like to add
anything else?

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Well, I don't want to forget about youth vaping. So
that's a big part of this, you know. The youth
vaping crisis is a manufactured epidemic of youth addiction by
a tobacco industry that's seeking to revitalize its sales and
create a new generation of nicotine addicts. And we know,

(27:00):
Patty that there's all kinds of implications from that, including
an increased risk of going on to smoke in the future,
as well as an increased risk for uptake of other
substances of abuse. So we can't talk about smoking cessation
without talking about youth and their use of nicotine. So

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we're going to present a comprehensive plan to help prevent
youth access to and uptake of nicotine products, but also
to expand our programs for smoking cessation and our coverage
of smoking sensation meds to help current nicotine users to quit.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I really appreciate the time, doctor Phillips. Enjoy your retirement,
stay in touch.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
I sure will thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Pleasure. Bye bye, cheers has now retired, Doctor Leslie Phillips. Look,
I mean, obviously big topic anything in the world, preventative medicine,
given the fact that the most expensive thing in the
country is a night in the hospital, always a solid plan.
Will I take jim before we get to the breakyallice
to that it's got light number one, Jimmy around the air.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Yeah, very first thing.

Speaker 7 (28:16):
The previous caller there, she had no idea how difficult
it is for smoker to quit. Number two she reminds
me exactly of President Trump and Tyler.

Speaker 8 (28:29):
Now and the last and final I think she's full
of it now.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
The reason not colas just a second though, Jim. That's
what she actually did for a living is research and
do work in smoking cessation and the healthcare implications of smoking.

Speaker 9 (28:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (28:43):
Well, I quit many years ago, and I'll tell you
it wasn't easy, but anyway, I quit. But as far
as I'm concerned, she you know, she reminds me of
Trump when Trump gets on with his bull and that's exactly.
But anyway, the reason of call was that I found a.

Speaker 7 (29:01):
Dandy pair of robbers on the Trans Canada Highway in
westbound between Ocean Pond and wit Book.

Speaker 8 (29:09):
And this happened on Monday afternoon. And now I don't
know if Dave has my number automatically or if I
should give.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
It to Yeah, no, we have it. It's right on
my screen, Dave. We'll keep it if anyone has lost
their robbers, because Jim.

Speaker 8 (29:22):
Boundham, Yeah, just give me a call and identa farm
and they're welcome to.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Come and get the good man. Thanks Jim, you know
you're welcome by now. Okay, boye bye, And I mean
I don't think that about doctor Phillips. Spounce with you.
But let's keep going there. Let's take a break. I
want to go back, Davill. Let us know who's next.
We're going to I've got a couple of candidates in
the queue. We're going to talk about the archeraturchial MoU
and whatever you want to talk about. Don'tkaway. Welcome back
to the show. It's called light number two. Sagamore to

(29:48):
one of the candidates running for a council position of
portcal CoV Saint Phillips. That's Gavin Will. Good morning, Gavin, you're.

Speaker 11 (29:53):
On the air, Patty, thank you for having me today.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Happy.

Speaker 11 (29:59):
Yeah, I just want to called h called to let
residents of Portual Coachingcopes know that that a voting is
tomorrow and uh, there is some confusion about about Saint
John's out there, but uh but but there is no
issue with with the mail in ballots in our in
our community. So it's so so rest assured about that.

(30:22):
I just wanted to call into uh to let people
know what basically what I've been hearing on the doorsteps,
and there's been people have been very responsive to my responses. Uh,
there's been a a lot of people are hurting in
our in our community, uh financially uh like everywhere, particularly
people on fixed incomes, seniors in particular. And and the

(30:47):
message that I'm taking away from that is that we
have to get we have to do two things. We
had to be extra careful with our spending taxes. Increasing
taxes is not an option. I'm also hearing that people
better value for their tax dollar. And I think that
what we've seen in this in our community over the

(31:09):
last couple of years, it kind of reflects the concerns
that a lot of residents have that that this council
has not always been spending money on on their priorities.
So I guess those are some of the takeaways that I've.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Been at the municipal level. How do you measure value
for property tax? Because I mean there's only a few
different streams of revenue for municipality property tax and development
fees and water fees and those types of things. So
how would a resident measure value? Because many things that
the municipality will be responsible for. Are not the big
sexy items, you know, hopefully cleaning, potable water, picking up

(31:44):
my garbage, are taking care of the road, fixing the potholes,
you know, sewer systems, what have you. So how do
you measure value at the municipal level?

Speaker 11 (31:52):
Well, I guess I think exactly what I mean is
that we have to have a we're be able to
focus on those on those essential services, are making investments
in uh in kind of non core UH expenditures. We
had to we had to be a bit more creative.
I'll give you an example. UH walking trails are are

(32:14):
are very very popular. We just build a brand new
walking trail. That's how build a brand new walking trail
here on the Broad Cove River. And it was something
that I took a lead in, uh why while on council.
But there's federal money that's available to to assist with
that and UH and the so I think we have
to look at those other sources of funding, UH and

(32:38):
for for areas that are not you know, water and
sewer you know, and sidewalks, those kind of core musicipal functions.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah. Because and the reason I asked is because depending
on who you are. People have different sets of priorities.
You know, if I live somewhere where speeding is out
of control, and I know parts of cost Saint Phillips
has brought in some by law officerru control of things
like it. But you know, if it's speeding because I
live on the main drag, or it's the quality of
the roads, or it's the source system. That's how I

(33:08):
was kind of that's where I was going with the
value question because it's hard to measure on the big
scheme of things. Municipally provincially probably a little bit different,
you know, whether it be about of course roads and
all the things that people talk about, but something like
big broad stroke which impacts everybody healthcare. So that's why
I was questioning the value conversation at the municipal level.

Speaker 11 (33:27):
Yeah, well, what politics is hyper local? I at the
municipal level, absolutely And so what you're absolutely right.

Speaker 12 (33:33):
I mean what you hear on on on Foreburn Road
and virtual cod where there's a lot of traffic is
a bit more nuanced differences from from you know, more
kind of out of the way or areas of town.

Speaker 9 (33:52):
But there are but there are a few.

Speaker 11 (33:53):
Issues that come up time and time again, and and
one is pedestrian safety. People want to be able to
walk down their streets. And I hear this everywhere, and
it's it's an issue that's not really taken center stage,
but when you actually get out on the doorstep, that's

(34:14):
what comes up time and time again.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, of course it does. I mean there's obviously some
more overlap where regardless of who you are, where you are,
Gavin anything else this morning, while we have.

Speaker 11 (34:23):
You, well, I just want to encourage people to get
out and vote tomorrow. It's there are a lot of
candidates running. There's sixteen candidates running for six positions on
council and three candidates for mayor. Is a very competitive race,
and I encourage everybody to get out because, as you

(34:45):
just pointed out, musical politics affects people on their doorstep.
So get out there, folks and vote. Appreciate the time, Cavin,
good luck, Thank you very much, Patti, you welcome, bye bye,
And you may just to pick up on the first
point you made, is other than Saint Jolen's the rest
of the province. The poll's do indeed closed tomorrow. Walked
over the second in your municipal elections just.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Very quickly via an email I just saw out of
the corner of my eye. Regarding anything I said about
Beta Noord and whether or not the Constitution nation building project,
I'm not so sure it does. But you know, I
wonder how Equinor's final investment decision is looking these days.
I mean, they've done some of the upfront work and
talk about contracting a contractor to build the FPS so

(35:29):
and yes, we can talk about ensuring maximum number of
jobs on shore if and when that benefits agreement gets negotiated.
But I mean, you look at the price of barrel
of oil today US around sixty five dollars. The most
recent provincial budget had a forecast a price on annualized
average with just over seventy three dollars. The Canadian dollar
at seventy two cents. I mean, there's a lot that's

(35:49):
going on there. There's forecasts of oil prices slumping into
the fifties. I mean, there's just a punishing oversupply of
oil out there on the market, and of course we
know that it's i mean pipulated quite severely and aggressively
by the major oil producing country in this world, and
specifically the cartel that is OPEK. But you wonder how
that's all factoring in on where we go and how

(36:10):
we get there. Regarding what might be the problems is
last offshore development possibly? I don't think that's an exaggeration
to think that or to say that or enter into
that conversation. Let's get to the break when we came back,
hopefully you have a clean phone line to talk with
Alvin Hewlett about the upper Churchill MoU and then you
don't away. Welcome back to the show. Let's go to
LNE number three. Good morning, Alvin, you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (36:32):
Good morning, Teddy's a lively shoulder this morning.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
So far, so good to Alvin. Let me put you
on hold. Day will get you a nice clear phone
line so we can have a conversation. Let's see here.
Let's go to line number six. Collar you're on the air.

Speaker 14 (36:46):
Hello, Hi, Cady, I'm gonna call myself Mainlander.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Okay, good morning Mainlander.

Speaker 14 (36:55):
Hey Hi, I'm here to try to talk to people
out of voting for the Liberals because what they're doing
to this province is a disgrace. The Carney government just
announced the Budget Officer just announced that Karnie's about to
drive the budget into the ground and bankrupt the whole country.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
That's liberals doing that.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Now, well, that's not what the Parliamentary Budget officer said.
He didn't say the government's going to drive the country
into bankruptcy.

Speaker 14 (37:25):
He did say he's there, he's right there, he's right
on the precipice, he said, and looking over to Cliff,
that's where Carney is right now.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah, he said it's unsustainable and no physical anchors. But
of course we haven't even seen the budget, so nobody
really knows exactly what's going to be in this. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
But once he does that, what's his choices to regain
this money? He either taxes us or.

Speaker 14 (37:47):
He stopped spending. And he's not stopped spending because he's
here to destroy this country and the Hogan liberals here
are going right along with it. How so, Well, just
looking at all the immigrants coming in, that's part of
the World Economic Forum strategy. They're all coming in. If
we're not smart and stop that right now, we're going

(38:09):
to be in the same situation as England, France, Ireland,
Australia that's coming here.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Do you really go with the World Economic Forum boogeyman?
Is that something you subscribe to in full?

Speaker 14 (38:22):
Did you see Carnie over there talking to with Stommer
talking about digital ID that's.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Coming too, well, it might be come to the United Kingdom.
I think we should the World Economic Form, Yeah, of
course I have, But I just think that we give
we give them so much stock and so much importance,
when in fact they have no say on anything with.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
See the World Economic Forum plan coming right out now,
and the Hogan and the MDP are all going along
with it. And before long you won't be able to
walk in the streets here.

Speaker 14 (38:55):
Our crime rate is going up faster than anywhere in Canada,
and Hogan and them are not even talking about it.
They're just making promises that they cannot keep because the
country's about to go bankrupt.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
So you got to get that the whole situation. Now,
you can't just concentrate on Newfland.

Speaker 14 (39:15):
You've got to look at the whole picture and who's
doing what. Carney was brought in to destroy us.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
And what are you talking about. Carnie was brought in
by who? Who was Carny brought in by?

Speaker 5 (39:30):
He was He's the global elite. That's who's doing this.

Speaker 14 (39:35):
Larry Fink is now in charge of the World Economic Forum.
And then you got Carney and every country that these
people are the West.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
They targeted the West, so it's all the Western countries
that this is happening. Mass immigration bankrupt the country. Oh,
and that's how.

Speaker 14 (39:53):
They stem Or brought in his digital ID.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
Oh, we're doing it to get rid of the illegal immigrant,
just to control you so they can shut off your
bank accounts like Trudeau did control you.

Speaker 9 (40:06):
So you don't believe that.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
No, I think a lot of it's exaggerated nonsense, to
be honest with you. And what percentage of what percentage
of crime in this province you think is committed by
a newcomer.

Speaker 15 (40:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
I can I know, I can see what's happening. Why
don't you google England in those places and see the
riots in the street. That's because of Islam. They're being
flooded with Islamics. Carnie even came out and said we're Islam, Like,
how much more proof do you need before this place
is overrun and we're fighting in the streets. That's what's coming.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
But he didn't say that either. He was talking about
people's personal values.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
No, I'm saying that I'm saying that that's the result
of what they do, and by that time it's too late.

Speaker 14 (40:53):
And Stammer says, Oh, we can control immigration and we'll
just get the digital ID, and Carney's in the audience.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Now because Caro Starmer says something doesn't have to have
any impact directly on Canadian immigration policy and or numbers.
I mean, in fact, the federal government on all silos
of immigration have cut the numbers back.

Speaker 16 (41:15):
They haven't.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
You can see it when you're walking into the street, Patty.
For God's sake, they're everywhere.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Now.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Listen whose they.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
India.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
I thought Muslims were the problem.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
India, Pakistan, all the Muslims. Sheer law. That's what they're
trying to impose. Well, you're going to start watching some news.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I think I'm pretty well up on the news. I
think I'm pretty well up on the news.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
I don't think you are. So you can't see what's
what they're going to do to this province. And Hogan's
in there and he's going to let it happen.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
John Hogan is in che isn't in charge of immigration
numbers to Canada.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Did you install fury right when COVID starting to start.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Who installed them? He was elected?

Speaker 5 (42:06):
You get a doctor in and then he says, oh,
take the bio weapon. It'll help you. It'll prevent this,
prevent that.

Speaker 12 (42:13):
Put on the mask, do all this and all that,
plan all hits.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, you're plan all hits. Yeah, you're hitting all the
It's all a lie.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
What is this?

Speaker 16 (42:24):
What doomed?

Speaker 5 (42:25):
What you vote in? Liberals?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
What's a lie?

Speaker 6 (42:27):
You are doomed?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
What? What? What was the most recent liar referring to
their COVID? What about COVID was a lie? All of it.

Speaker 14 (42:35):
The mass didn't work, the shots didn't prevent they did
comics do it didn't It was actually dropping children in sports.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
They were dying, of course. I mean, what are you
getting now with is one, I think fundamental question.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
If this province doesn't wake up soon, this whole province
is in big trouble.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah. So when we talked about when we talked about
and restrictions, what have you, it's fascinating that people hang
their hat on it being a liberal issue. I mean,
the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada at the
time was talked about the exact same thing. And so
far as vaccination goes conservative premiers across the country. We're
doing the exact same thing. John Hogan doesn't have any

(43:16):
control over immigration numbers to Canada, whether it be pathway
to permanent residency, refugees, target skilled immigration, none be.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
Protecting us from Carnie right now, he could be doing
like Daniel Smith and stop collecting the carbon tax. That's
a fraud too, that's climate change. That's a bunch of crap.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
It's not it's real, it's real, and it's a problem.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
Trump already called it the greatest con job of a lifetime.

Speaker 9 (43:44):
Well, what is right?

Speaker 17 (43:45):
What are you?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
One of your mistakes is to take anything that Donald
Trump says with anything other than a huge grain of salt.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
Yeah, and he's also going to be on the list.
I know that too. And there's going to be more
that come out on that list too. I heard you
talking about that.

Speaker 14 (44:00):
And there's a saying about these global elite they're all
at it.

Speaker 9 (44:05):
Maybe that's how bad.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
This is just one quick question about the World Economic Form,
because I really do at some part I find it interesting.
Or will you stop talking for a second. So the
World Economic Form was created and started in nineteen seventy
one and the stock that people give to its impact
on the global stage is remarkable to me. I mean,
it's the slowest moving coup in the history of man.

(44:29):
For me, what the world Economic form is is for starters,
a bunch of hypocrites on their private jets telling me
that I shouldn't be able to fly to Halifax's go
to a concert. Then they are the most egotistical bunch
of blowhards. And that's about all there. So we give
all this stock about all the influence they have in
the world, But since nineteen seventy one, what have they

(44:50):
actually achieved? Zero, nothing, nada.

Speaker 14 (44:54):
They've infiltrated the West, Australia, England, France, they're all rioting.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
And it's because of them and the globally leafs.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
The riots are because of the World Economic form. Boys
of boys. And you know, it's hard to have a condom.
It's hard to have a conversation with someone like you
who just bangs on about, you know, jumping all over
the map of all of these things that you think
are ruining your life. Just I don't know how people
operate day to day.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
Give you because listen, media is in this too.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Don't forget that too.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
And they actually brought in the Trudeau did said it
was okay to lie to the people. It's an actual
law now it's okay to do that. And he does
that on a daily basis. So and you've kind of
sticking up for him too.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
So sticking up for who your media.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
You don't give a pee. Forget it, forget it.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
You can go now, Oh I can I have your permission?
Why should I be concerned? And how much time should
I spend on worrying about what other media outlets do
when I have this job and I do this job.
That wasn't me. I didn't drop them. I think he
just disched the city. Well, I was grateful he gave

(46:04):
me permission to go. That was really very kind of him. Yeah,
there was a lot to that. Really hard to know
where to start or whether to bother. But look things
like immigration again, I say it all the time, it's
the one of the trickiest conversations in the country. Then
you look at some of the stats kind of numbers
that we just got for here in this province, over

(46:25):
a quarter of the population is over the age of
sixty five. The median age in this province is around
forty seven. The death rate outpaced the birth rate every
year and has for a year over a year. If
we talk about the appropriate level of immigration, because immigration
is not to catch all either, right, you have targeted
skilled trades, you have targeted healthcare recruitment, you have refugees,

(46:46):
asylum seekers, people on the pathway to permanent residency. So
there's a lot of different things included in immigration. And yes,
the cap on international students was reduced. And I see
the story floating around about temporary foreign workers and say
that the government has a cap. I can't remember the
exact number, but we're people want me to believe that
they exceeded it by a wide marriage and went. In fact,

(47:08):
the number is that they've reduced temporary form workers. They've
actually talked about the renewal of temporary form workers. So
there weren't people added to further complicate the housing problem,
to further complicate access to healthcare. I've said repeatedly that
the population grew too big, too fast. Why we weren't
prepared on the ground, There wasn't enough in the way

(47:29):
of housing supply, There wasn't enough in the way of
access to primary health care. So I can you know,
I can only say that so many times, and I've
been consistent with it throughout, but without targeted immigration in
this problem. So we're setting ourselves up.

Speaker 11 (47:41):
We just are.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
You know, the temporary form worker program is a great
case study in how the immigration conversation gets blunted before
it gets going. And you know, I was see floating
in here. Why didn't I just call them? Ray says,
Look again, that's how we derail conversations. You know, I'm
happy enough to have a realistic, pragmatic conversation. And yes,
I am not following for the fact that the World
Economic Forums can ruin by life. They've been trying since

(48:05):
nineteen seventy one. I was two years old. What impact
have they really had here in this province. Let's be honest.
You know what are we talking about? A bunch of
yes elites, Because if you have your own private aircraft,
you probably are an elite. They go over to Davos,
they babble on with their own self righteousness, the ego
maniacs run amuck, and we're supposed to believe that they're

(48:26):
going to be able to influence influence sovereign issues. No,
they can just talk and talk and talk and babble
and beat their chest and pump thrown tires. But that's
really about the size. But isn't it. Let's see here,
let's take it very hopefully you have a clean foe
line to speak with Alvin about the Oh but the
MoU don't go away, cluck it back. Let's go light

(48:46):
number two, Alvin around.

Speaker 13 (48:48):
The air morning, Patty, that last call you had, I'd
rather you than me. I guess you better hide under
your disk because it looks like the economy as are
coming from all over Europe to.

Speaker 18 (49:02):
Do you in.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, well, we'll see them later.

Speaker 13 (49:07):
Listen. As you know, I'm with NL Concerned Citizens and
we're one of the letter writing groups. But I'm I
calling you this morning about printed matter, Doctor May Economists
that mon Doug May has done some video work, some
audio video work on the MoU thing, and he entrusted

(49:28):
his raw product to our committee and we had some
technical experts work on it and so on and so forth.
And now the videos that he's done on the MoU
are available for public viewing. We've put them on YouTube,
and you know, I looked at them. They're very easy

(49:48):
to understand, easy to access, and so on, so forth.
The videos can be access as follows. Now this is
a link I think the computer we'll call it Churchill
Falls m Ou analysis by doctor Dr period Doug May.
Churchill Falls Move Analysis by doctor Doug May. I gathered

(50:12):
that with your magic computer machines these days will take
you to the videos and you can, you know, get
a cup of coffee and sit down and watch. And
you know, Petty, I've been a political animal all my life.
But you know, doctor May is not a political person.
He's got a PhD in economics, so he deals with

(50:33):
these matters in a sort of dispassionate, measured, methodical way.
He's not selling anything, really, except what he considers to
be the numerical truth. For one of a better phrase, Patty,
I was one of many who spoke out on Muskrat
years ago, and now I'm prior of the citizens group,

(50:53):
you know, demanding the province of vet DMOU with Quebec.
I don't think the government is listening, but Petty, I'm
beginning to believe that the general public is actually listening
picking up on this. You just think of it this way.
If one economist trashes DMOU, that's an opinion. If a

(51:14):
dozen economists trashes DMOU. That's a phenomenon and it's time
for the province to sit up and take notice. I
think the other thing I want to mention, Peggy Patty,
is that's my wife's name, Peggy. Sorry. The Truth of
Reconciliation Day was yesterday, and one thing I got to
compliment the Indigenous peoples about is a special role they

(51:37):
give to their elders in all their major decision making.
Now I don't claim Indigenous status, obviously, but I am
an elder and in my lifetime I've seen a block
our copybook twice on the Churchill River. The all saying
is once bitten twice shy, while Wigland twice bitten.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
The generalities of it being a good dealer or a
bad deal fair enough. People have their own opinions, but
can you do you want to latch onto a couple
of specifics you member? You mentioned the indigenous group, and
far as I can tell, the interu Nation have been
quite clear on this. Give me the most recent rate
mitigation at Muskrat, the last five point two billion dollar package.
They say that compromises their revenue about a billion dollars

(52:21):
and consquiality until they're made hold there will be no
Gaull Island, and whether or not people like it or not,
the constitution's clear and they need to consult with indigenous
communities when we're talking about developments like this. So that's
that hasn't been much of the conversation. But insofar as
bad deal as opposed to just nineteen sixty nine all
over again, here we go. You know, any specifics you'd

(52:41):
like to throw it to the conversation.

Speaker 13 (52:42):
Look, Betty, you know you know of Bill Wells. He
used to be the boss of Hydro years ago.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
He's been on the show.

Speaker 13 (52:51):
Yeah, and you know, if I'm an elder, he certainly
is put it that way. And I got an email
from one the other day and he sent me some
facts and figures and stuff with regard to the MoU.
But it was his conclusion that really really struck me.
And what he basically said was this, because of the

(53:12):
way this deal is structured, no matter how it looks
from the outside, Quebec will get ninety percent of the
gravy on the MoU, the same as us getting ninety
percent of the gravy on the old Churchill Falls. Deeal So,
Dave Varley's made the same point. They spread the gravy
over a bundle of projects. They bundled all the projects

(53:35):
into one big project. They spread the gravy over a
bundle so it doesn't look as thick. It's meant to
disguise just how much Quebec is getting. The point that
he made was striking that ninety percent of the benefits
financially even from this MoU, are going to Quebec. A

(53:55):
little while ago, Ivan Morgan had a little article in
the Shoreline. He writes a call and he said this,
This was a few months ago. We know it's a
bad deal, but we're going to take it anyway because
we need the money. A few months ago, I think
I would agreed with them, but I'm not so sure today.
I think there's a growing skepticism in the public about
the MoU, and the government can't answer this question. If

(54:20):
this MoU is as good as you say it is,
then why don't you consent to an independent vetting as
recommended by the Moskpreading Quarry. Simply put, I think the
government is afraid to have THEU vetted because but now
I think they also know it's a bad deal. So
that's my comment on the specifics of the bad deal.

(54:42):
It's not a money deal for us, it's a money
deal for Quebec, quite simply. That's the way all the
economists have put it out. That they've approached it from
different angles, but the conclusion that they've all come to
is that there's no money in it for us. And
that's the reason I think we needed edit and we
need to slow down here.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Okay, very quick question. When's the most recent Dog May video?

Speaker 13 (55:05):
This We put out a press release this morning, okay,
and with a link on the press release to the video.
Just I'm calling in Basically is the town crier to
tell people that Doug May's videos are out there. Churchill
follow m all you analysis by doctor Doug May. You

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put that in your linked thing and you'll get several videos.
There's an intro, then there's some videos in the middle,
and then a closing video. And like I say, some
people with our committee had technical experts work on this.
They're very user friendly, and doctor May speaks in ordinary
English and you get graphs and charts the whole bit

(55:47):
and piece. It's easy to understand, and basically he comes
to the same conclusion that there's no money in this
for us. But if you don't believe me, just believe
doctor House. Look at what he's saying, and doctor May
I'm sorry, look at what he's saying, and see for yourself.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Say I didn't believe you or anybody else.

Speaker 13 (56:09):
I'm saying to the general public because you know, people
may look upon me as you know, I have a
paraison background, so on, so forth. But on this issue,
I'm just part of a citizens committee and I've heard
enough opinions from enough economists who say this thing needs
to be double checked. And I don't think that the

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government intends to do that. In terms of the election.
You know, it's not for me to help people out
to vote on these kinds of things. You know, vote's
a very personal thing. But you know, the government appears
to be going ahead with this thing. I think the
PCs have said they will vet it. I'm not exactly

(56:53):
sure where the NDP is on it right now, but
you know, my okay I thought to the public is
that I think twice about this before you your bocome
election time.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah, mister wakem I can't put or don't want to
put words in the man's mouth. He talked about pausing
it and sending it for an independent review. He also
talked about a referendum, which I really don't think is
a very good idea, to be honest, but an independent
review at the Little Ball require inquiry recommendation was crystal
clear any cap expenditure in excess of fifty million dollars
deserves and requires independent oversight. My only thought on that,

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which I've said since the very beginning here, is you know,
if we're just going to say to JP Morgan Chase
or the Goldman Sacks, is this the best deal? There's
no answer to that question. So what I think we
really need is people proposing an independent review, put forward
in terms of reference, give us an exact list of
questions that will be asking of Goldman Sacks. I'll just
use that as an outfit who would be equipped, and

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they might not be good because we also have to
pick an outfit that doesn't have any conflict of interest
and dealings with either side here. So that's what I
think we need here is just someone tell me exactly
what we're asking inside an independent review, because if we're
just saying is this the best deal, that's not even
really a question, right Well, well.

Speaker 13 (58:04):
Well, see Patty from my point of view. I mean,
I'm no economist. I got a degree in physics and
I never did a single economics course my whole life.
But the one thing that strikes me about every economist
that's got a goal at this thing is they're saying
there's no money in it except for Quebec. Now, any

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independent panel, I mean the pub could set up a
panel and hire experts from anywhere on the planet and
ask the independent panel to say, is this a good
deal for Newfoundland? Is this a bad deal for New Fonland?
Is this a good deal for New flant Or is
this a deal that, with a few tweaks and amendments

(58:48):
would be good for Newfoundland? And if you have the
experts who know about hydro electric development on your panel,
then that they can do the sums and come up
with the fact that yes, this is not a bad deal,
but you need to fix a B and C or no,
this is a disaster and you need to start all
over again. I think we need to commit to the

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notion of vetting and I'm sure all the brains and
the problems can sort out we go about vetting it.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Appreciate the time album keep it coming.

Speaker 16 (59:19):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
You're welcome. Bye bye, good day you too, sir. Bye bye.
All right, let's gonna break and when we come back.
Bob sharpers running out in CBS to be a Ward
one candidate. Let me speak with you. Don't go away,
welcome back to the show. Let's go Lenar one Seing
one of Bob Sharper for a council out in Conception
Base South mon of Bob you around the air.

Speaker 9 (59:36):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 19 (59:37):
I just wanted to introduce myself. As you said, I'm
running Forward one here in CBS.

Speaker 6 (59:44):
Ward one runs.

Speaker 19 (59:45):
From the borders with Paradise to the Manuals Bridge and
down to the Manuals River. By way of introduction, my name,
of course is Bob Sharp.

Speaker 6 (59:57):
I've been living here for thirty years.

Speaker 19 (59:59):
I'm a transfer Planted County and thirty years just over
thirty years ago.

Speaker 20 (01:00:03):
My cellphone and wife Sharon.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
We're looking for someplace.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
We just married.

Speaker 19 (01:00:07):
We had a young boy and we wanted to raise.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Our family and we did.

Speaker 20 (01:00:11):
We came here and we've been.

Speaker 6 (01:00:13):
Here and we added to that family.

Speaker 19 (01:00:15):
And those two boys, Jakie Josh, they are living here
as well, starting their own families. I'm a retired CBC employee.
I worked in radio technical services. In my my career,
I would have been the guy on the other side
of the.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
Glass where you are now.

Speaker 20 (01:00:31):
And during that time, I was.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Also a long time volunteer within the Union movement.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
This summer, well, listen to.

Speaker 19 (01:00:40):
Your program, Patty, I heard a lady on there with
the talking about the Make Your Mark program, which solicited people.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
To step up and be part of their.

Speaker 19 (01:00:55):
Municipal elections and run counsel and I took that the
heart and I looked into.

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
It and said, what can I bring to the table.

Speaker 19 (01:01:05):
Well, I've got the time, I got the industry, i
got the efforts there, I've got a background in representing people,
and I know how to do that within the Union movement,
and I can transplant those skill set to work as
a counselor. And so here I am talking to you

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on the radio and somewhere which I normally wouldn't do.

Speaker 6 (01:01:30):
I listened, but I don't be proud of it.

Speaker 19 (01:01:33):
And I've been walking the streets and knocking on doors
for the last month, and I've been listening to the
people at CBS and what they have to say.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
And what do they have to say?

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
Well, Patty, one of the things I've been doing up
a report.

Speaker 19 (01:01:47):
Card here right. One of the things they really talk
about is infrastructure and roads in CBS. Here is a commute.
A lot of people keep mute back and forth. It's
a highly residential area where I am, and those people
who work, they mostly worked within the city. They go
back and forth. Road sixty go back and forth on
the Bain Road there, and there's problems within those areas

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with the Root sixty has been said by many that
the Tossle Road area, which is managed by the provincial government,
is in deplorable condition. I can tell you I've ripped
out two tires out of there in the last five years,
and that's problematic. Patty, is these the safety issues within
our own structure, the CBS controlled area.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Those roads were.

Speaker 19 (01:02:30):
Once country roads, There were country lands. We were a
small community, but now we're not. We're the second largest
community in New Poland.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
We're bigger than.

Speaker 9 (01:02:39):
Again, there were bigger than Mount Pearl. We're bigger than
corner Brook.

Speaker 19 (01:02:42):
And those roads are no longer viable to have and
support the structure and the transportation issues.

Speaker 20 (01:02:50):
We have, and those things think.

Speaker 19 (01:02:52):
That to be looked into other things they're talking about
is coastal protection, environmental stewardship.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
I've got a lot to learn here right, water.

Speaker 19 (01:03:01):
Supply issues, emergency resilience.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
UH.

Speaker 19 (01:03:04):
People bring up a lot of stuff who are not seniors,
who who are concerned about our seniors, seniors issues, UH
safety for our seniors, UH, recreation for our seniors, and
and UH economics support for our seniors. How can how
can we support them? And as usually it's not the

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seniors bringing up interesting enough, it's those people who are
familiar with seniors, residents, and the list goes on inclusion,
acts of accessibility.

Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
I just I'm just reading from a list I've been,
my report cards that I've been and what I've looked
at and what I.

Speaker 19 (01:03:42):
Believe in is evidence based decision making process and reaching
out to.

Speaker 6 (01:03:47):
Those people the first hands that we used to call
them stakeholderholders in my work life, but those people, the
residents of the community. What they've got to say and
how I can support them and how can bring those
issues to council. And it's a learning curve for me.
But I'm willing to take that on. And I got
the time, and I got the energy, and I'm willing
to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
You know, we can all play a role in identifying shortcoms,
shortcomings or problems or what have you. What Sometimes it
is not direct at you, Bob, But what sometimes is
missing in political candidacy is the proposed solutions. So if
we dig into traffic for a second, I mean, the
last time I had to come in and out of
Paradise and or CBS was a nightmare because it happened

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around rush hour in the afternoon and it was brutal.
So how do you deal with something like that because
you can't influence what time people travel, So it'll lot
will be about the road network itself, whether it be
about widening the road. Sometimes there's a geographical restriction there.
So do you have any ideas on traffic in and
out of conception based out.

Speaker 6 (01:04:47):
Well, one thing that's been suggested is increasing the number
of short routes to get you off that road to
access the bigger neighborhoods. Some people feel that and it's
ENTI you hear all out when you talk to people
who say, well, in my development, in my neighborhood, there's
only one road coming off Road sixty to get here.

Speaker 20 (01:05:08):
If there were other short spurs, let me span off
and then if we could connect those neighborhoods up to
other neighborhoods, I could go up on the back road,
spur across there.

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
And come down. But that in many cases that's not there.
So that's a really valid suggestion widening the roads. As
you said, it is another thing we saw the summer.
We had a state of emergency here in the summer,
and when a tree on pond area was evacuated, friends
of mine, family friends of mine were in town.

Speaker 20 (01:05:40):
He said, I better get home.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
I got my dog at my house, I got this,
I got a family, got mom whatever, And they had
to try and get home. Three and a half hours
later they made it home, right, So it is a problem.
So and Patty, it's not going to be a short
term solution with that little road coming in here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
It's not.

Speaker 6 (01:05:57):
It's going to be long term.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
It's going to take planning, of course it does. And
I really appreciate the time. Good luck out there, Bob
as a candidate.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Thanks for your time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Pleasure any time, how about all right? So, of course
the municipalities other than Saint John's. Tomorrow is the day
when we come back. We're talking about the Canada postrectunk Away.
Welcome back to the show. Let's go along on a
line number five. Mike he around the air.

Speaker 16 (01:06:21):
Let's good morning, Petty, Good morning, Petty. Two things I've
been doing research and that and stuff before. They're the
year to get information and everything before this election on
the overspending by the Marine Department in government with the
ferries contracts giving out without pos pos e year after

(01:06:45):
after the job was completed, which is none of it
conforms the policy. Uh, it's just ridiculous about as well
as going on there and you know it's just but anyway,
what happened was that I got my emails blocked, sending

(01:07:05):
them receiving to any government address which said which has
into it, go do NL dot ca A. So I
had to go to the o CIO who's the I
T people and get a government eployee to take you
the ticket to investigate it. After three months they found

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out that it was blocked. That whatever corrected it. But
this is how far this government will go to keep
the information getting out to the out to the people.
And there's totally ridiculous and as far as I'm concerned,
it should be deemed illegal for me to be blocked
from communications with my government member who was one of

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them that was blocked by somebody else, not by the member,
but by other people in all government agencies. But you
know this is all supported by John Hogan and him
and what's going on there is if all the people
got to know the information before this election, they will

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be a pole that waste of money by this department deliberately.
But anyway, another item is that this fellow that got
the cracker jack box this morning, his comments there were anyway,
whatever you mind to call it. But one item that
he did mention about that he got a little bit

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of an idea about is chronice capitalism, which is there's
the world elite, some people who've got piles of money,
thinks that everybody in the world should be working for
these people and they're the ones who should be running
the world. But the thing is that we got it

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here in Newfoundland, supported by John Hogan and the Liberals,
and that's involved in our healthcare where we've got a
company from England who's got all kinds of scandals behind him,
a worldwide company who believe in this chronic capitalism, and
they're running our health care and costing us at least

(01:09:14):
three times the amount of money for our health care
is what we should be paying and it needs to
be looked at and addressed, or these people have now
taken over our healthcare systems. The people are not unaware
of the public, but the government is. John Hogan is,
and John Hogan knows that we're paying extravagant amounts of

(01:09:38):
money to these people to run our health care, which
is no need of it. Why are we buying bread
from the mainland to serve in our hospitals.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
We've had this conversation many, many times, Mike, is there
anything new tached with today?

Speaker 16 (01:09:52):
Only that the people really like this fellow brought it
a little bit to the light and now he's to
the extreme or whatever. But New Folanders have to look
at the cumbers group the run of our hospitals, to
waste the money, paying way too much for our equipment,
what we're buying and everything else, all these scandals, what's

(01:10:15):
it all related to? And the problem that I gets
is that John Hogan and the Liberals are not doing
anything about it.

Speaker 20 (01:10:23):
They're supporting.

Speaker 16 (01:10:26):
Our health services. And then he's on TV talk about, oh,
how they're doing the saving money and that and all
the rest of it, when all they're doing is save
money to give it to these other people to take
outside of the province and use for billionaires around the
world and over in England. Like when you look at
this whole picture, it's thickening to look at it all,

(01:10:50):
and the way these politicians are playing the people for football,
it's it's uh, you know, the new Landers who got
to open their eyes and realize what's going on here
and get these people out of government. They've got the
goal and the sooner the better, as far as I'm

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concerned anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Mike, will we have you? Thank you for share your time.
I mean the compass. Look, it's a fair conversation. What's
also sort of strange about it is that if it's
as big a deal as Mike says it is, then
one we've had the government town talk about this. We've
actually had operational executives from an health services talk about

(01:11:37):
nothing but healthcare contracts. We also had the Auditor General
report on it. But I haven't heard either of the
other parties even breathe that word compass. And whether or
not they think it's a big deal, whether or not
they have a difference of opinion. But you know, Mike
paints it to be an extraordinarily big thing. But I
haven't heard any of the politicians on the campaign trail

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make even one vague reference to it. Let's keep going
number two second Mornings in the Cold Bowl and run
for the NDP and water for Valley. Good morning and
the cold You're on.

Speaker 21 (01:12:08):
The air, Marning Patty has it going.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
That's a bad home about you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Good kind of calm.

Speaker 21 (01:12:13):
I got a couple of things on my mind today. First,
I wanted to introduce myself, so I ran in the
August twenty twenty four by election, and basically we've just
kind of kept this party going. So I'm a social worker.
That's kind of how I got involved. I just I
felt like government wasn't responding to communities and people with
the policy work that we needed to see. And I

(01:12:35):
felt like if we wanted those changes, then we had
to go get them because it wasn't being passed down
from the top. So in the past two years since
the by election, I went back to school. I did
a full time master's a social work degree. We've been
ondoors now for the past fourteen months. It's been a
wild ride. So just kind of wanted to reintroduce myself,

(01:12:55):
see like, Hi, I'm the cold your MDP candidate for
Water for Valley and just want to talk a little
bit about student Day of Action as well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Sure, but when you talk about policy not meeting the
needs on the ground, you want to dig into a
couple of specifics.

Speaker 21 (01:13:09):
Oh yeah, So my big one, and we spoke about
this a year ago, was there's a mental health subsidy
that one of the criterias's for housing, and one of
the criterias is that a person needs to live alone
in order to avail on the subsidy. So automatically that
excluded single mothers or single fathers with their children. And
when we went to the ministry level looking for help

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or guidance or changing this policy, we were told that
if they opened it to single parents, the floodgates would
open and it wouldn't be able to keep up. But then, fundamentally,
on the back end of that, emergency shelter costs have
gone through the absolute roof and they are one of
the most expensive ways to deal with homelessness. So the
floodgates seem to be helped in either way.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
We're the only problems in the country that deals with
the shelter issue the way we do. I haven't ever
heard a good argument as to why we do what
we do here. But anyway, that's specific to dig into.
You wanted to talk about the Student Day of Action.
Tell us more about that in your position on it.

Speaker 21 (01:14:08):
Yeah, So, as I said, I just went back. I
did my master's degree and tuition since twenty twenty two.
It's just about doubles and everyone's feeling the crunch because
it also comes along with a housing crisis, with cost
of living going up, with affordability being a lot more
unattainable for a lot of people. So Student Day of
Action is a rally to kind of bring these issues

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to light. It starts today at twelve o'clock at the
Quock Tower. And the things that Mounsey was trying to
highlight is a tuition free ending on paid work terms,
focusing housing as a human right, and then focusing food
as being a necessary feature of survival because we're seeing
so much food and security.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
They're all very very real insofar as tuition goes. I mean,
that's a big conversation. I personally think that it was
a bit of a self inflicted wound to not have
a predictable, modest increase in tuition over the years, as
opposed to what we dealt with was an increase in
student fees. I get a tax break at my tuition,
but not on a student feed. But that's what we saw,
which I never could wrap my mind around as being

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a good thing, because if I'm the parent or the
student and I'm writing a check the breakdown in so
far as where I get a tax credit, that's important
to me. But we just turned a blind eye to it,
and we treated the tuition free as as sakra sank,
you know, a sacred kyle and look where we are.
So that one was strange. Same thing with the campus
renewal fees. They weren't all used to renew the campus.
So there's just so much inside that world, and just

(01:15:32):
a couple of back and forth here on the pay
for work terms. We also need, I think a little
bit more of a careful breakdown what constitutes training versus
what constitutes work, because there's lots of arenas in this
world where you can indeed be in uniform at the office,
but it is strictly and absolutely education and training versus
actually doing the work. Like, if I'm replacing someone who's

(01:15:54):
a paid employee by actually doing their work versus learning
from them doing their work, I think we need to
be a bit more careful breaking that down. What do
you think?

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
I think for sure.

Speaker 21 (01:16:03):
But also my background is for nonprofits, right, so when
you're doing nonprofit work terms, the nonprofits they almost depend
on these students. And if you don't get the students,
it does really impact access to services and what the
nonprofit can do. And then it's a double edged sword, right,
because not only are students doing unpaid work terms, they're
still paying tuition and now they're paying rising tuition. And

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I feel like a lot of our healthcare and our
helping services are kind of built on the backs of
this unpaid labor. And like I said, when you factor
in rind, groceries everything else, students are being squeezed in
a way that I don't know what we've really seen before.
And I think that's really shown to you and how
enrollment numbers come dropping.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Yeah, I suppose there's a few contributing factors to enrollment numbers.
No question tuition plays role, of course it does. Then,
you know, for being realistic about government funding to universities
and the level of funding here and the tuition costs elsewhere.
Then I think there's a healthy conversation we had. I
think also, I'll just bounce this off you. Enrollment numbers

(01:17:04):
I think also reflect the median age of the population.
So you know, if my children, of which I had
too and before me, I'm one of five, things are changing.
I mean the number of people even of post secondary
age and the choosing to go into post secondary education,
those things are changing. And does tuition have an impact
on that? Of course it does. Money makes the world
go around and influences a lot of decisions. So I

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think there's a bunch of contributing factors there.

Speaker 6 (01:17:27):
What do you think, oh, one hundred percent?

Speaker 21 (01:17:30):
And when I finished my bachelor's social work in twenty
twenty one, I did toy with the idea of applying
to med school. But then I was thinking that between
all the fees and the like the registration to write
the m CAT and is that the other thing and
say you would want to do some kind of tutoring,
I was, I'm going to invest a couple five USand
dollars into even prepping for the m CAT. Don't know

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if I'm going to get in and then if I
get in walk kind of student debt am I looking at?
And that was kind of my deciding feature was I know,
I want to help people. I love working with people,
and that's why I did continue with social work and
then I went back and did as a master's program
might be a PhD at some point in time. But
once again, it does come back to the infrastructure of
the university is long giving the quality of an education

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in a quality space and how much is that going
to cost?

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
I mean the competitive nature getting into month's med schools. Well,
you know we've heard different parties talk about another expansion
at the school of which we actually have control over
sixty five of ad sts for people from this province.
Should that be expanded, I would suggest yes. You know,
it's remarkable in the country where every single province and
all the territories talk about the lack of family doctors,

(01:18:38):
and you know, there was even conversation for years ago
about adding a year of residency to family doctors, which
they thankfully did not happen. And all the while there's
only seventeen medical schools in Canada. You know, I don't
know why we're not all collectively provincially. Talking about expanding
medical schools, it seems like if we're have a dearth
of supply, maybe we just add to the supply chain
more seats.

Speaker 21 (01:19:00):
Yeah, yeah, no for sure, And I think to like
talking about how to support students in it, right, because
if you are paying rent, especially too, because you got
to get a degree before you can apply to med school,
so you might have jet from that original degree, you're
still paying all the bills. You're like, should I go
out and get a job not to start paying down
this debt and pay the bills? Or do I want
to commit and almost double down and take this risk

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on one applying to med school and then carrying whatever
debt I threw that way for like the next ten years.

Speaker 9 (01:19:26):
Right.

Speaker 21 (01:19:26):
So it's a lot of things I think that go
into it, especially with the social kind of landscape we're
living in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I appreciate the time Nicole good luck.

Speaker 21 (01:19:35):
One other thing, Patty, so special ballots for the provincial elections.
If you want to vote before before the advanced poll,
you can do it now at the returning offices. There's
various ones across the district. For water for Valley at
seven oh two Water Street. But if you want to
do the advanced hold, it's going to be October seventh
at Saint Mary's Church, and then of course we got
E Day on October fourteenth, and we'll be doing rides

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to and from the polls on all of these days.
And if you need any reach out to us. I
like to leave you with your team.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Sure you can give it up quickly if you'd like.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:20:07):
So it's Nicole Bowland at NLNDP dot ca A.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
I appreciate your time, Good luck, Nicole.

Speaker 21 (01:20:13):
Yes, thank you for breaking you too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Bye bye. H right, Nicole Bowl and running for the
NDP Water for Valley. Let's take a break, don't go away,
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number three.
Sigamore to Leila, who's a student at Memorial University. Morning, Lela,
you're on the air.

Speaker 17 (01:20:26):
Hi, Patty, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Okay?

Speaker 19 (01:20:28):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
How about you?

Speaker 17 (01:20:30):
I'm doing okay. I just wanted to call in because
I'm a student at Memorial and I don't know if
you've seen, but there is this open letter that has
been going around the university community and it's basically talking
about how there are three inspiring brave Newfoundlanders that have
joined the Freedom Flotilla coalition, and they're all members of

(01:20:56):
the university community as well. At two of them are alumni,
and one of them is a current master student. And
I'm just so inspired by their bravery and just their
commitment and passion towards this humanitarian cause. And I wanted
to just talk to you about that and let people

(01:21:16):
know that there is this open letter that's been going around,
and there's also this quick to email campaign that is
hopefully encouraging people to reach out to their MPs to
talk to other folks about how we can support our
folks on the boat and also how we can work
towards ending the genocide in Gaza and you know, enforcing

(01:21:41):
a teaweight arms embargo.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
And yeah, okay, lot to this so interesting that her
obviously is a very complicated world. You know. I read
something very quickly that I actually set aside for more
in depth reading this afternoon about documentation about who was
financially and logistically supporting the flotilla, which you know, I

(01:22:04):
know there's lots of contributing factors, but specific reference to
Hamas in there, which I'm still trying to wrap my
mind around what the implications of that are. Also, we
know last week that it was widely reported that Israeli
drones were dropping like flash bangs right on these boats,
which are just current humanitarian aid. You know, all have
people push back and say, oh, they're sneaking in arms

(01:22:25):
for Hamasjuana, No, that's not what was on the flotilla
boats at all. It was straight up humanitarian aid and
they were getting flash banks and other objects dropped right
on the boats, which is I don't know, it was
evil the right word.

Speaker 17 (01:22:38):
I think I know what documented talking about. And so
there is this concerted expert to de legitimize the flotilla,
either the Freedom Coalition or a thousand Maglines or Global
Samud and either false. There is no funding from HAMAS
or funding towards HAMAS.

Speaker 18 (01:22:58):
Either.

Speaker 17 (01:22:58):
Are all international coalitions between volunteers, medics, journalists, politicians, celebrities
who all want to just bring humanitarian aid to Gaza
and also to break the illegal ongoing siege on Gaza.
I don't know if you know, but Gaza has been

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under an illegal blockade and siege for seventeen years. And
so these are just people who are committed to the cause,
who are passionate about liberating Palestine, about you know, ending
this genocide and bringing much needed humanitarian aid. So there's
no connection to him as and I feel that I

(01:23:41):
worry about that sort of rhetoric because it seems like
it is this Israeli propaganda to justify you know, attacks
on the ship. They have been attempting to attack them
or to intimidate them, and by stirring up the sort
of conspiracy, it is legitimizing their you know, illegal actions

(01:24:04):
against all of these civilians who are just trying to
literally bring much needed aid to a starving population undergoing
a man made famine and undergoing a genocide.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Yeah, that's certainly not my intention. So you know, inside
that whole conversation here and we can dig it into
specifics and you know, the move further into Gods the City,
how many people have been displayed, how many people have
been killed? And you know, if anyone wants to start
the conversation with October seventh, you're probably missing a few
decades worth of impact in that region. But what's striking

(01:24:39):
is that so many you know, if we talk about
the President of the United States, I mean just here
about who had to say at the United Nations. I mean,
it is outrageous, but we're talking about it now. Look
it's some sort of real estate transaction, like I mean,
talk about glossing over the impact on human beings, women
and children. Yes, we could talk about hamas terrorists organization,

(01:25:00):
and they are, but now we're just hearing things that's
basically talking about just being a real estate opportunity. I
mean it's maddening.

Speaker 17 (01:25:10):
Well, yes, and like the situation that's happening in Pasta
and in Gaza, like it has been true as a
real estate opportunity for decades since you know, the ball
Foard Declaration, since in Noakva in nineteen forty eight. You know,
this is about legitimizing taking the land, you know, Zionist

(01:25:31):
expansion of settlements. And you know, I just really really
also just want to bring this back to like, you know,
these people are trying to break the siege, to break
the blockade that has been imposed illegally by you know,
Israeli settlers, by the by the Israeli States on Gaza,

(01:25:54):
you know, restricting the distribution and the you know, the
instribution of aid, the entry of humanitarian you know workers.
I just I really want to focus on.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
That and fair enough, you're done.

Speaker 17 (01:26:14):
Yeah. So if you've been keeping track of just you know,
the dialogue that's surrounding the Freedom Platilla coalition, the three
brave New Formlanders that are on there, I'm just there
are so many things that you know, I really want
to just urge people to do read the open letter,

(01:26:36):
you know, to also just look on the social medias
of pals and Action yy T and also Canada Vote
to Gaza on the Instagram.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
And on Facebook.

Speaker 17 (01:26:48):
There is a clicksie email campaign. Please please, I urge
you to sign up for it. It takes less than
two minutes. It's just a very simple form. It will
reach out to Mark Karney to a need a nod,
to to whoever your MP is, and to also the
Premier and the ambassador of Canada to Israel. If you

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just sign this really quick click to email, it's just
urging all of these political parties to ensure the safety
of these New Finlanders who are on the boat, to
also ensure the safety of everyone who is part of
these flotillas. Canada has an obligation, a moral obligation to

(01:27:30):
support you know, humanitarian aid that is going to Gaza
to support our citizens that are also on this mission
towards Gaza. And you know, just also it's really important
that we do our own part wherever we can. Not

(01:27:51):
everyone can go into flotilla, and not everyone can, you know,
put their boots.

Speaker 6 (01:27:54):
On the ground.

Speaker 17 (01:27:55):
But it is so simple, it is so easy to
just so a simple click to email or to write
an email to your own MP or to call your MP.
You know, just really really urge and stress just the
urgency of the situation. You know, like there is a

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documented salmon, there's a documented genocide that is happening in Gaza,
and you know, we should all try to act in
whatever little way that we can towards freaking this genocide, towards.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Ending the salmon.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
I appreciate your time, Leda, thank you very much.

Speaker 17 (01:28:39):
Okay, if I could just have one more moment, Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Just very quickly, I'll let the news.

Speaker 17 (01:28:49):
Oh sorry, So where I'm a student, are there still
a divestment campaign happening on campus? Please reach out to
the presidents of Memorial to urge them to stop investing
sixteen million in a genocide. And thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
For your time, my pleasure. Thank you, bye bye and
I see someone ask me this question. I mean, look,
if the coller wants to bring up a certain topic,
that's up to the caller, right, And I've been asked, Now,
what about the genocide or the concept of genocide of
Christians in Nigeria? Also bad? Let's take a break.

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Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Welcome back, let's go Lene number six, Charlie, you're on
the air.

Speaker 22 (01:29:45):
Good morning, Patty, good morning. You must be happy with
your Montreal Canadians this year.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Ah, so far, so you know what I mean. I
don't put much stock in the preseas, but they looked
pretty good last night.

Speaker 22 (01:29:55):
Yeah, that game against the Leaves. Can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Yeah, let's go considering whether they're not going to be
able to make a trip up to Montreal this year
to catch a couple of games. But they got a
young team with some pretty outstanding young talent, so fingers crossed.

Speaker 22 (01:30:09):
Yeah, I think they look great. Heady, A couple of
things before we get to the main thing, A great
conversation with that young lady. You'll refer to that in
a minute. The postal thing. I'm glad the government has
taken action here. There's definitely reset needed. This organization can't
be subsidized from taxpayers to that degree a year after year,

(01:30:32):
and you know that business is not coming back, so
that they had to make adjustments, and I'm glad somebody
finally had to go to do it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
And some of the recommendations. Look, if I'm a unionized
employee and it jeopardizes some of my status and my
pay and my hours, I get why they're concerned. But
some of these things, like for instance, when they first
talked about community mailboxes and losing the door to door delivery,
people were outraged. But the fact of the matter is
somewhere around two thirds or more of Canadians don't have

(01:30:59):
home delivery. Now I get it. If I live in
rural and I have to drive a significant amount of
time and distance to collect my mail, then I get it.
But for me it's downstreet, and for most Canadians it's
down the street. So that stuff, I mean, I think
it's probably coming sooner than later, and you're right. With
a cumulative loss of five billion dollars since twenty eighteen,

(01:31:19):
it's an unmanageable, unsustainable we can say the managers they
blew it with the budget and the revenue side that
was coming in fair enough. But we are where we are,
so where to next is the big question.

Speaker 22 (01:31:30):
And a lot of the labor I feel is I'm
skilled and overpaid and that needs to be corrected as well. Patty,
the pharmacure thing. You were saying, you didn't know of
any reason the government has been signed on to the
new government. What if they said anything about that at all?

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
No, not that I know, And that's why I asked
the question out loud. Is me and you and Dave
and people listening to this program. We're already paying a
federal tax dollar. So I'm already contributing to the program.
Now I wouldn't you know. I don't need to available
either contraceptives or diabetes medications are supplies, but people do,
so I'm already paying for it. I just wonder why
we're having signed down to it formally. That's all.

Speaker 22 (01:32:07):
Yeah, I think it should be a major issue. Each
candidate should have to say, you say something on that
before the selection. Don't you think I.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Would think so? And why not? It's a pretty fundamental question.
We were first out of the gate to sign on
to the school lunch program, which they're actually talking about expanding.
How that's going to work, don't now? We were one
of the first to sign on to ten dollars a
day daycare, which I think is a great idea. I
don't have any kids that need daycare, but I think
fundamentally that makes a lot of sense. And farm care.
I just haven't heard anyone say why we haven't signed

(01:32:39):
on If there's ongoing negotiations that are very specific, detail oriented,
fair enough, but what are the details?

Speaker 22 (01:32:46):
Okay, Patty, that conversation you had with that young lady,
I thought she was very well informed. I say this
so called peace thing as basically a surrender of capitulation
through a few of these over the years, especially to
one in the nineties with Clinton then when they shook
hands on that right. But if anybody examined that closely,

(01:33:08):
that Osla agreement, who was a sellout of the Palestinians,
and if Arafat had gone through with it, which I'm
glad for the sake of the Palestinians. He didn't, he
would he would have been assassinated by his own people.
Who was a ridiculous deal. If anybody thinks that Israel

(01:33:28):
is gonna gonna abandon settlements in the West Bank, which
which which to me would be a key deal for
for any lasting piece, they're not going to do that.
In fact, they're they're they're they're continuing to build them.
It's like Swiss cheese. They're as far as establishing any
contiguity and and and having a Palestinian state. Are they

(01:33:50):
going to make Gazer an open air prison which they
had before, which is one of the reasons that a
mask came on the scene and did what they did.
And I don't look at the overall thing. It's just
no way the Israeli right wing government other than getting
a ceasefire and getting the hostages back, they're not to
be trusted with what they promise as well. Are they

(01:34:14):
going to rebuild about that? So you can go on
and on this, This is this is not a piece
deal at all. This this is just a sham.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Well, until there's a ceasefire and return of hostages, nothing's
going to change. And don't take it from Charlie about
West Bank settlements. They're actually talking about expanding settlements in
the West Bank. And that's not for me, that's from NETANYAHUO.
It's interesting you mentioned the Oslo Accords. There is all
they're like thirty years old, or that is thirty years
old at this moment in time, and it was signed
by Rabin and Arafat, as you mentioned. And here's Netanyahu

(01:34:45):
on the scene. And there's plenty of conversations about the
role that Benjamin Netanyaho played in the assassination of Rabina.
I don't mean directly you put the gun in someone's hand,
but the political rhetoric of the day, people think backed
it was very real. There's moving film of Yahoo walking
in front of a casket of Rabbin a couple of
days before he was killed. So it's just wild how

(01:35:08):
the world works and unfalls very quickly. And even things
like the Abraham Accords that basically said that there would
be no opportunity for the Palestinians to have a veto
or say in any negotiated peace. I mean not don't
take it from me, take it from the actual document itself,
anything else.

Speaker 22 (01:35:25):
This morning, Charlie, Yeah, very very quickly. I don't know
if you saw the address given by Exit and Trump,
who was all arranged for Trump, of course, not Exit.
I don't know if you watched that, but can you
imagine trying to do deals with somebody who was as
unbalanced as that guy is. I mean, he basically got

(01:35:45):
up and said he declared war on his own. People
are going to use troops on his on American soil
against his opponents, And and Exit basically got up and
said that the military needs to what smart en up
in terms of transgender and all that stuff, and take

(01:36:06):
off weight. He apparently works out a lot, but his
mind certainly doesn't get to work out. It was so
out to lunch and so ridiculous that those two people
would get up and give a pep talk to those people.
So called pep talk they were discussed that you could
tell the whole way, you know, but anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
The enemy within, you know, using American cities as training grounds. Yeah, boy,
oh boy, pretty well. So now you know, I'm not
here to defend Donald Trump. But when we talk about
weight and what have you, I mean, he's not an
active member service member of the services, So we'll put
that out there. And plus the whole concept about woke
and all this and that. I mean, the culture wars
are so tedious and to dominate so much political commentary

(01:36:52):
and so much political discourse. I just don't get it.
It's exhausting, and it's accomplishing little to nothing very quickly.
You're being challenged by a listener, and it kind of
just went right by me. Is when you refer to
Canada Post workers as unskilled? Who's unskilled? And how come
you say that? And why do you think they getting
paid too much?

Speaker 22 (01:37:09):
Okay? The unskilled workers? If you if you look at
the training, let's let's put into letter careers and so on,
truckers and there they're wages of all is we've always
been way above the national leverage and unskilled workers. I
would challenge somebody to tell me how they're skilled, except
for the top jobs perhaps, But anyway, we'll leave it

(01:37:31):
at that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
I guess appreciate the time, Charlie, thank.

Speaker 11 (01:37:33):
You, Okay, thank you, bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
All right, I'll take a break on time, Lindsay, stay
right there to talk about Canada Post don't away. Hey,
welcome back. Let's go down numberfore, Lindsay around the air.

Speaker 15 (01:37:42):
Yeah, good morning, Patty, it's pretty good morning and stuff
like that. Yeah, Okay, now what I want to talk
about the postal strike, Okay, go ahead, Yeah, anyway, I
don't blame the people that delivers them or the people
that picks up the mill at the postal station. And

(01:38:04):
the delivers had two community mailboxes because they just doing
their job and they got to get paid. They got
you know, obligation bills and stuff like that meant to
be paid for. But when they're out hard strike, they
don't get any any pay excess some pay from the
union or strike pay, whatever you want to call it.
Now they don't get any of that stuff now anyhow,

(01:38:25):
Like like when they had the last strike there, I
think it was last winter something like that or early
last spring. Yeah, the government legilated everybody back to work
and everybody went back to work and that has been perfect.
But everybody been getting the mail since then. But now

(01:38:47):
like the government came out with this new idea to
overhaul the postal, the post office stuff like that, no
more door to door deliveries, that kind of stuff. Well,
that's just an excuse. I think that the union, the
people that runs the post office so much as the
government does just an excuse they use to call another

(01:39:08):
strike because they couldn't not go the government game with
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Well, no, I mean they haven't signed a contract.

Speaker 15 (01:39:14):
There's no contract in the union and the government. They're
working nick and they randing in with each other.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
I don't know what that means, but they don't have
a contractors, which is pretty much why they're striking. They
were given a bump and pay, but that of course
was just to temporarily give them a chance to keep
negotiating with the corporation. But they're getting nowhere, which is
why they find themselves on strike. And just for clarification,
did you say that the striking postal workers don't get
strike fair?

Speaker 15 (01:39:42):
They do get strike they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah they do,
but not much as the regular pay. Like you know,
they're they get all kinds of benefits to get fuel
for the vehicles for delivering the mill, and they get
their company pensions and paying stuff like that. They get
all those things and the wages, but you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
Strike pays two eighty one dollars.

Speaker 15 (01:40:04):
A week what the union pays and is nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
You know, well, no, it never is strike pay. I
think it's two hundred and eighty one dollars a week, yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:40:13):
Something like that, and that's fire less than the minimum
wage it is.

Speaker 22 (01:40:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:40:18):
Yeah. So anyhow, like like the fire things done, you know,
like like this strike should be on at it at
all now is just an excuse that the union used
to call the car on a strike and straw up
people's mill and stuff like that. Just right now people

(01:40:39):
got bills to get that's gonna be all screwed up.
They got all the things to put in the mill.
I mean, this thing could last on the Christmas time
or more.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
No, it won't. I mean if this I think the
last strike last of thirty two days I'm pretty sure
is the number. And it won't drag on that long
this time. I mean, the gunment has been pretty quick
to legislate people back to work. They did it with
the rail workers, they did it with the port workers.
They would threaten to do with their Canada flight attendants
even though they said, go to Blazers, we're not going

(01:41:08):
to pay any attention to you. And they've done it
with Canada Posts already and they're going to do it
again eventually. There's no question in my mind.

Speaker 15 (01:41:16):
Well, you know it's putting people on each you know,
concerned right now, people don't know what's going on, you know,
like like hard to figure out as a help a
dozen one and six of the other.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Sure, uh yeah, I don't know how long this is
going to drag, but it has obvious implications. I mean,
you hear from small and medium sized business owners who
really rely on Canada Post, you know, especially when we're
talking getting their product or their service to the quote
unquote last mile, where nobody's services, not the private sector
companies in the courier business. So Canada Post is a

(01:41:52):
bit more complicated than people give it credit for. But
I would imagine being legislative back to work is not
too far down the road.

Speaker 15 (01:42:00):
I don't think well anyhow, like you know, to me,
it's you know, like I find out to be awful confusing,
like in small towns like this, like around there, where
everybody almost know everybody. We know the people who delivers
the mill, and these people who delivers the mill when
they're on you only getting a strike pay well, I mean,

(01:42:20):
you know, like I just said, they got bills of
pay and stuff like that, and families are raised, well
you know, they're they're begin to hurt a lot, sure,
because you're not getting the regular paychecks.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Well, that's what happens when people strike. They do they
weigh the ups and downs, the pros and the cons
and certainly some of that is about pay. And of
course that's a short term mission. We're talking about strike.
I imagine the cup W leadership is talking about the
long term implications of benefits, including rate of pay, anything
else what we have this morning, Uh, Lindsey, Well, yeah, there's.

Speaker 15 (01:42:57):
One other thing, like the war over there in Palestine. Now,
I find that to be gennocite, like a good many
more people conn it. It's you see andocent women and
children brought out in baby baits and putting their mothers
arms and stuff like that is too much. It's what
I would call it genocide. You know, South Africa has

(01:43:19):
caught it, as Rwanda, Ireland has caught it. Norway caught
it then and now more a lot of other countries
in the UN in this content, well you know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
The countries are actually the countries are actually calling for
a Palestinian independent Palestinian state.

Speaker 15 (01:43:36):
Look, I mean it should be and Israel keep their
nose out of it, because it's none of their business.
What kind of government another country or another.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
State has well in some form it is though it
depends on the impact that it has directly on Israelian
Israeli safety, But of course that gets conflated and and
a variety of other adjectives. I could add, uh, fair enough.
I mean, the United Nations has made a declaration on it.
You know, we can call it ethnic cleansing, you can
call it genocide. People could pick their own word here.
And I'm no question going to be in trouble with

(01:44:06):
some people. But I mean, soide you can do when
you sit in this chair, same thing as Amnoesphy International.
We do know that the documented use of food and
humanitarian aid as being weaponized. And no matter who you are,
or who you are or what side of this conflict
that you're on, we know that to be agreed upon
by the modern world as a war crime. I mean,
it's as simple as that, Linday, I got to get

(01:44:27):
to the news. But I appreciate your time. Okay, all
the best, Bye bye, very quickly. This is an extremely
troubling noe. So Alex King, if you're listening, the family's
worried about you. He's been missing from airport ice on Saturday.
So I've heard from his dad, and so the plea

(01:44:52):
is just to come home or at least let your
family know if you're okay. So, if you are Alex King,
or you know Alex King, can you please relay this
message to him. The family wants to hear from you, okay, Alex,
So just please do that, at least that very limited

(01:45:12):
amount of just simply telling your family that you're doing okay.
So put that out there. Also if you are concerned.
So there was a portal that had closed about seeing
whether or not your vote had been received, that type
of stuff. There's a ballot status website and it's an
easy one to do. If you go to Saint John's
dot ca a slash vote, you can get the information

(01:45:32):
there as to whether or not your ballat is in hand.
And there's plenty concerns about, you know, the mail interruption,
what that means for mail in ballots, just like what
we're talking about here here on this program. Let's check
it in on the Twitter box where vosim up a line.
Follow us there, email addresses open on a feosim dot
com want me come back. There's another candidate running for
a Council at Large position here in the city. PJ

(01:45:52):
wants to chime in again about the MoU. John wants
to talk about Gallin.

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Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
Welcome back. Let's go to line number seven. John, you're
on the air. Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 18 (01:46:15):
How you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
I'm okay, John, how about you?

Speaker 6 (01:46:18):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:46:19):
Not bad?

Speaker 21 (01:46:19):
Now?

Speaker 18 (01:46:19):
I just wanted to speak about go a lot and
Pajack that liberal government is propulsion here we are now
Plan Labor or one of the one of the province
is paying the highest electricity rate in the province. Or
you've been in Canada, you want to look at we're not.

(01:46:40):
You're paying a little over seven cents per kill a lot.
Here new Plan Labor, we're paying over fifteen cents a
kill a lot. And now they've got a big negotiation
going on with the Quebec for this power rate there
and we're on. We're we've got and not going on. Well,

(01:47:03):
we've got Church of Poulets on the goal. We've got
muchcraft files on the goal. Now we're in the verge
of a major project in the go on, and there's
no to me like they look like there's no negotiation
for the province of New Plan Mabrador to have a
better rate for electricity. I mean, why should we pay

(01:47:25):
so much money for electricity when all these megap projects
is on our land, you know, it's in the province
here New Plan Mabrador. And and we got like even
like you said, change hands in same channel. I got
daughter and my granddaughter that lives out there and they're
paid up to five hundred dollars a month for electricity,
which is utterly ridiculous. I actually say something. These liberal

(01:47:48):
governments are clutch by. They got they gotta, they gotta
come up with a new projects demamou what's.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
What's the what you're making regarding how much we pay
for electricity versus how much they're pay Quebec.

Speaker 18 (01:48:00):
Corbett's paying over seven seven cents a little over se
I think seven point eight you know around that area. Yeah,
we're playing double.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
I understand that, But how does that relate to the
Upper churchillmu That's all I'm asking.

Speaker 18 (01:48:16):
Well, well, how that relates to the government of New
Plan Labrador should be negotiating a better rate for us
here in New Plan Labrador. Then you know, then Quebec,
I mean correct is going to take over all this power.

Speaker 9 (01:48:29):
We're not.

Speaker 18 (01:48:30):
We're not even going to have none of it. And
why shouldn't they negotiate a better rate process? The Liberal
government is just putting out in the back burner again,
h I mean, you know, and and they're going to
negotiate this uh mega pride going on for the next
fifty years or so. I mean they were left out
in the call again.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
Yeah. Look, I understand the concern with how much we
pay because I'm a rate payer, but I don't know
how we get Quebec to chip in on our electricity
rate as opposed to if this becomes a contract or
a number of contracts, to use some of that money
to help control my rights, because I don't know why
Quebec would be interested in subsidizing my power bill directly.

Speaker 18 (01:49:11):
Well they shouldn't. Well, that's the negotiation part of it.
I mean, it's not that is not the Quebec to
do that. Do the better rate for New Flying Labrador.
But this should be in the negotiation for saying, yeah, okay,
if you want our power, we want power too. We
want power for New Flying Labrador here and we want

(01:49:32):
a better rate. But it's not it's not it's not
like I said, it's not the Quebec government. It's the
Liberal government here in New Flying Laborator just doing.

Speaker 5 (01:49:40):
This to us.

Speaker 18 (01:49:41):
I mean they should be negotiating and saying, yeah, we're
going to give you guys a better rate. But you know,
the quebecas claim seven a little bit over seven cents
kill what and the Labrador now flaning Labrator. Okay, this
is our problems. There should be negotiating a better rate.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Cross fair enough. I think the only way we can
deal with our own rates is with what we're currently
seeing on fold, with what people can call rate mitigation,
even though that's a funny term to add to it.
But I mean, covec's not going to help me with
my power bill. The provincial government, whether it be taking
hst off electricity for residential users what have you, or

(01:50:21):
the provincial portion of hst off is one thing. And
controlling the rates at muscrat like, we don't even know
what that's going to look like after twenty thirty when
this few billion dollars is exhausted. So fair enough. I'm
also concerned with my power bill.

Speaker 18 (01:50:33):
Of course I am co sure and to the rest
of the province. But it's saying it's the Liberal government
now should be negotiating witcha quevec and saying, look, we
need a better rate for our province. And by saying
that all of New Plan Labrador should be paying less

(01:50:53):
for lectures taken.

Speaker 9 (01:50:54):
We're doing now.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Appreciate the time, John, Thank you, thank you, You're welcome.
Bye bye. I just keep going and say, going to
a candidate running out Mount Mariah, it's day but morning, Dave,
you're on the air.

Speaker 9 (01:51:05):
Good morning patio.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Are you very well? How about you?

Speaker 9 (01:51:09):
Not too bad? Sir? I don't know youse day on
the West coast.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
It was beautiful hair this morning when I got to work,
and now it's looking pretty gray and it feels like
it's going to rain. But se la vi Dave, what's
going on in Mount Mariah that makes you want to
be a candidate?

Speaker 9 (01:51:24):
Well, I, well, this is my fourth time running for
re election and it feels like I'm I'm watched run again,
and a lot of people wants to run because there's
lots of concerns in the town of Mount Mariah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
Let's talk about a couple of pick one to start.

Speaker 9 (01:51:45):
With, well, we regards of new water sewer in infrastructure
and trying to get more the more money to upgrade
our water services than everything else, because we're a small

(01:52:05):
community of seven hundred people and you know what it
is now with not very many who's holes there and
the tax base and everything else. Everything is so expensive
now to run. And we got a lot of seniors
net there would look probably just one income all ways,
and that and everything is getting more expensive expensive, and

(01:52:26):
it's harder for him to run keep everything up.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
I get it. So in a pretty small community, your
cost sharing on capital infrastructure will be ten percent.

Speaker 9 (01:52:36):
Right, No, it's gone. It's got a player now, Oh
is it?

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
What is step.

Speaker 9 (01:52:44):
On pavement? I think it's fifty to fifty and I
think and I think on water it's sewer. It's it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Sev oh was it? Because then something has changed in
the recent passing because I was talking about water sewer
roads are a different kindle of fish. But I thought
things like water sower upgrades were still on the ninety
ten ninety being the province. But you know more than me,
you're living out there.

Speaker 9 (01:53:12):
Yeah, well, noble like you say, everything is changed in
all time.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
Eh, absolutely it is. So how many times have you
been successful in four times running? I guess you can't
count this one because you haven't no results yet.

Speaker 9 (01:53:25):
Well, well I've been successful. It's successful every time. Oh
good man, No, because what it is, Well you you
received the majority, the majority of the boat wins. But
like I say, I goes back and I foach for
the reach of the people. I know I only got

(01:53:46):
one say in one boat, but like, if I think
there's anything wrong, I will go back and point and
try to get it fixed up.

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
Thank you. Would how many people in Mount Riah these days.

Speaker 9 (01:53:56):
Dave, I say, is somewhere around eight seven of fifty
eight hundred people.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Okay, very good. So you talked about cost sharing and
water and sewer and what have you. What else would
you need to what else would you like to highlight
here this morning?

Speaker 9 (01:54:15):
Well, well, it's getting expensive, like for fireman's deer and
stuff like that, and trying and trying to get volunteers
in that because we got to get all new equipment
and everything, and as kysher Kay shared, and it costs
a lot of money for the council to come up with.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
I wonder about the future of the strength of numbers
that Voltaire fire Halls is going to look like into
the future, and fingers crossed continues to be as solid
as it is today. Maybe just maybe knowing that the
problems is now open to things like compensation for extraordinary
circumstances like the wildfire season we just went through, maybe
that'll be encouraging for more people to consider serving their

(01:54:57):
community through being a vult firefighter. And go down everyone
who does well.

Speaker 9 (01:55:02):
I've been a volunteer fireman for thirty years. All together
with cubs and by shoots and everything, I got to
be fifty one years involunteer.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Good for you, Dave. That's a lot of service to
put it into a community as a volunteer firefighter and
other organizations. Anything else you want to say Dave here
this morning.

Speaker 9 (01:55:25):
Well, like I say, a lot of people want to
me to run for the run for election again, and
I'm running for the election and I'm there for the
common man and the vote for the people.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
Good on you. I appreciate your time this morning. I
wish you good luck.

Speaker 9 (01:55:43):
And thank you very much. Sure, and you have a
good day and I look to see all the people
of Mount Rian that can't get vote, getting vote.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
Absolutely, I'm all about the civic duty, I'll call it
and voting. Dave, appreciate your time, sir, best of.

Speaker 9 (01:55:59):
Luck, Thank you very much. Sure and you have a
good debt.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
You too, go bye, okay, by all right, final break
in the morning. Let me come back. Pj's in the
queue to talk the MoU councilor running for an at
large pardon me running for the council at large position
here in the city. Saint John's about to talk about crime.
Don't go away, Welcome back to the show. Let's call
Lenard three second morning to a candidate running for an
at large position here in the city. Saint John's. That's Wallace,
Ryan Wallace around the air. You know when I get

(01:56:23):
the pushback when I say, you know, how would we
negotiate our own provincial hydro rates or electricity rates with
the province of Quebec. It's not to say I wouldn't
like to pay less money, because I would. It's just
that how do you enter into a realistic negotiation with
another province, another utility like hydro Quebec and a starting
point to be hey, you guys, pay on the average

(01:56:45):
eight cents. We pay around fourteen point twenty five cents
per kil about hour. Because that's sort of our own problem.
We brought that to the dance. It really has nothing
to do with hydro Quebec or the Province of a Quebec.
So that's the only point I making, not that I
would like to pay more, because I prefer to pay less.
Let's got a lone number five c If you have
a better line with Wallace, Good morning Wallace, Ryan around.

Speaker 4 (01:57:06):
The air is how are you doing there today?

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
Patty bad Tal, how about you?

Speaker 3 (01:57:10):
Am? I coming in loud and Claire.

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
For you much better? Go right ahead? What's on your mind?

Speaker 3 (01:57:14):
Well, you know, after a couple of weeks of campaigning
on the street, literally on my e bike, just going
from person to person on the street, I've heard a
lot from the people of Saint John's and mostly it
has been about crime and and of course a lot
of people have been talking about the interview the other
the other day on one of the other radio stations

(01:57:36):
about the city of Saint John's act and talking to
a former Crown prosecutor there and how he was mentioning
how talking about the city of Saint John's Act and
how a lot of the things we need to fight
the crack houses, to fight the crack dealers and all
that is already there. It's just we need the political

(01:57:56):
will to use some of these by laws. I mean,
there's so many things from from basically unfit housing this
and when I went through myself, it was a mirriad
of solutions there. Basically you can you know withdraw and permits,
the conditions of the place. It's when I look at it,

(01:58:19):
it's just like, why hasn't anyone done this so far?
And I'm not surprised. It's it's because we're dealing with
the status quo. Unfortunately, when it comes to the city Hall,
it's a lot of times it's the same old, same old,
and no one wants to rock the boat, no wants
to get anyone angry. But sometimes you have to get
angry to help the people. What I've heard on the

(01:58:40):
street has just been shocking. As a matter of fact,
I heard the here in the Rowlins Cross area down
on Creuz Street there last last weekend. There were these
two women brutally beaten by their pimp and they were
just whisked off by the police to a local shelter.
Nothing ever appeared on it on the news and all that,
but you can be guaranteed that everyone in the neighborhood

(01:59:02):
is talking about it and they don't feel safe. And
once again too, there is one topic that hasn't been
raised by a lot of people too. It's been the
problem with the needles, with the syringes that are all
over downtown Saint John's. Myself, my campaign vehicle, my e
bike was laid up for a day because I got

(01:59:23):
a syringe in the back tire. I mean, it just
absolutely shocked me. Not only that, but when I went
down to have it repaired, the young fellow who repaired
it for me, he told me a story about how
he was stabbed by a needle getting into a cab
about a year ago, and he spent an entire year
going through all kinds of tests. He said, it was

(01:59:45):
on his mind constantly and finally, you know, things worked
out in the end, But that was a whole year
that he was on tender hooks. And I just don't
think that's right. And it's funny too, how I've noticed too,
how lately suddenly a lot of the other candidates provincial
and municipal are suddenly talking about crime, And I mean

(02:00:06):
I have been talking about crime since the very first,
very first thing I posted on my page, which was
one of my posters that just says, got crime. Question
mark which we got crime? Do we ever have crime?

Speaker 9 (02:00:21):
Patty?

Speaker 3 (02:00:21):
And what we need is someone there who is not
afraid to stand up for the people of Saint John's
and say enough is enough.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
Yeah. Some of what we were discussing inside the Saint
John's Act was the control and the authority that the
city has to deal directly with houses that are being
used for whether it be drugs or prostitution or whatever
the case may be. If someone gets a beating out
in the street, that of course a straight up law enforcement.
But you know, when we know that we have these
trap houses as people refer to them, the city can act.

(02:00:50):
And why they don't, I have no earthly idea, but
it's a question that we will certainly put to all
of the candidates, including those are running from mayor. Ivy
Handley was on the show talking about her take on it.
Once you heard Mike Murray, she read the Act no
such as one three seventy five through three eighty five
and if I get a chance to speak with Danny
Breen or any other of the incumbents, we're happy to
ask them too, because if we have authority, let's use it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
And as a matter of fact, the local community here
Ron's Cross, we've banded together and basically we phoned the
police whenever we see anything going down. And I encourage
this for any neighborhood going through this is we are
on the phone constantly with the police. We already got
three crack dealers thrown out of a local social agency
here housing and we had a crack house here actually

(02:01:37):
on Military Road.

Speaker 22 (02:01:38):
Can you mention that?

Speaker 3 (02:01:39):
On Military Road? And we through through pressure on the
landlord and everything, we had the people that tossed out
of that. And so basically there there is stuff that
you as a community can do too, besides pressuring the
people who are in power, which you should continue to do.
But I mean it's unfortunately, it's we're having to take

(02:01:59):
matter into wear our own hands, and that is just
not fair. So, I mean, if people want to one
of my slogans is that I'm a fighter. I'm not
a bystander. If there's something to be said, something to
be done, I will be there. As a matter of fact,
I've promise people a twenty four hour return phone call
policy for one thing, because people have had people who say, oh,

(02:02:21):
they phone and they never get a callback. I will
call you back within twenty four hours. And if it's
the situation that you want me there on the ground
to see for my own eyes, I'll be on my
e bike and I'll zip up to your house. I'll
have a cup of tea, I'll chat with your neighbors, because,
to be quite honest, you get more of the truth,
more of the real issue when you talk to the

(02:02:43):
people on the street, the people who are on the
front lines, rather than listening to other politicians, bureaucrats, that
sort of thing. I'm here because you know I'm here.
I'm running because I love Saint John's. Saint John's has
done everything for me. Saint John's is where I was
raised to live my life out. It's where I fell

(02:03:03):
in love, had a family, and it's I love Saint John's.
That's probably one of my strongest points, you know, is
that I love the city and I will fight for
it tooth and nail.

Speaker 2 (02:03:14):
I appreciate your time. I wish you good luck. Wallace
Thank you very much, Betty, and keep on keeping eye.

Speaker 3 (02:03:19):
You're doing a great service for us.

Speaker 2 (02:03:21):
Appreciate the time. Thank you here by bus Wallas, Ryan
run An at larg chair in town Line one PJ
around the air.

Speaker 23 (02:03:28):
Yeah, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 9 (02:03:29):
I wanted to talk quickly on the MU because.

Speaker 24 (02:03:32):
The elections coming up and less than two weeks. The
two aspects, the nation building project and the outside. This
a game that I discovered on the Hydro Quebec's website
that people might want to pursue. So I'm the nation
building project.

Speaker 23 (02:03:51):
You know, in May, Quebec went to the federal government
looking for three billion dollars. This is documented online and
I found an interest. I think Newfoudland was nowhere near
to be seen at that negotiation or that request.

Speaker 9 (02:04:06):
They just simply were not part of that correct went alone.

Speaker 23 (02:04:10):
And what's interesting what came out of that is that
project for was to do for electrical transmission from Quebec
to what they call Newfoudland, Labrador. So what come out
of the Feds. You have to have four provinces, at
least four provinces involved in these nation building projects sports
qualifying and so why is it that Newfoundland is not

(02:04:33):
speaking to how they're going to participate in this, how
much money they're asking for, et cetera. It just seems
to be a point that shows Quebec being I want
to say, somewhat exploitive at this MoU already and going
to the FEDS for money to build transmission to their
benefit so that they can you know, sell power to Ontario,

(02:04:57):
New Brunswick, Quebec of course, and even two PI. So
it seems luther Land needs to come a bit more
up to speed on what is that they're looking for
on this. It seems to be not notified by people
right now.

Speaker 2 (02:05:14):
It's a good question. I don't think Quebec went to
the federal government in so far as qualifying for nation
building project funding. They're just quite simply trying to get
federal governmentey for to build transmission lines. And good for them,
I'd say that changes everything if we have federal involvement
with the Upper Church of MoU in so far as
nation building project. Don't take it from me, take it
from the then Harperconservatives and the Trudeau Liberals. They thought

(02:05:37):
it was a nation building project. How do I know,
because that's what they said when they gave the federal
loan guarantees, and that was a lot about trying to
get Nova, Scotchhoff coke and coal fired electricity. So they've
already deemed it to be that. So Howard, all of
a sudden, it isn't that I have no idea.

Speaker 23 (02:05:50):
Well, I'm just pointing out it seems to be a void.
Their new folk Land doesn't seem to be able to
speak to what they're looking for on that go on
and nation building project, because that was the meeting in
May was had to do.

Speaker 5 (02:06:01):
A nation building project. Just gonna move on.

Speaker 9 (02:06:04):
To a game that's having a how to Quebec webs PJ.

Speaker 2 (02:06:07):
Just because of the time, I mean it's just about
twelve o'clock. We don't allow twice a week, hollars, but
I would let you finish your thoughts tomorrow on the
MoU business if that's okay by you. Okay, sounds good,
Thanks PJ, Thank you, fun all right, we will indeed
wrap that conversation up tomorrow. Good show today, big thanks
to all hands. We will indeed pick up this conversation
again tomorrow morning. Right here, I VOCM and Big Land

(02:06:28):
of FM's open line. I'm happy to the producer David Williams.
I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun,
happy dayble talk in the morning. Bye bye.

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