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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line calls seven oh nine, two seven,
three fifty two eleven or one triple eight five ninety
eight six two six of using opinions of this programmer,
not necessarily those of this station. The biggest conversation in
Newfoundland and Labradors starts now Here's VOCM open Line host

(00:23):
Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Good morning, Good morning, Linda Swayne in for Patty Daily,
who is off today and looking forward to your calls
this morning, So call early and call often, as the
old joke goes, glad to get to bed at a
sensible hour. Last night, Dave for change, Let's go Blue Jays,

(00:44):
looking forward to Friday night. A little nervous, which you
know any Blue Jays fan has been over the last
what two months? Anyway, a little bit nervous about the Dodgers.
They are a powerhouse team. But you know what blue
Jays have that pluck, they have that will, they have

(01:05):
that lovability spoken like a true fan, hey by and
who knows, who knows anyway, watching this very closely, shohe
Atania course and MOOKI bets you know, I don't know,
they're really really, really good. Anyway, Let's go Blue Jays,
looking forward to the world series. In local news, the

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two newly elected governments are going to have to be
very nimble when it comes to the effects of climate change.
And why do I say that, because we've got a
couple of stories in the VOCM news run over the
last few days and again today. In recent years, of course,
climate change mitigation has concentrated on things like expanding the

(01:50):
capacity of existing infrastructure, you know, like making culverts bigger
and that sort of thing, to deal with high water volumes,
because you know, we at these tropical storms and century
storms as they call them, that we're dumping quite a
bit of water on us in the past. Well, this
past year has been an anomaly. Now we're looking at

(02:12):
municipalities that are grappling with low water levels and it's
really quite alarming to see how quickly all of this
has happened. I had a look at Google Earth Images
last night because I'm a bit of a nerd, but
some of our inland waters, have to say, are really receding.

(02:32):
What I saw was sobering Beothic Lake for instance in
the news right now, because water levels they're about sixteen
feet below normal. Big expanses of Beothic Lake. You can
walk right across it if you don't get mired down
in the muck. But things that are being exposed that
people haven't seen in a century or more. And it's

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not just Beothic Lake. The lakes feeding into that water
system are down as well, and you can even see
the telltale signs of receiving water levels on bodies of
water like Gander Lake as well, with little to no
relief in sight. And it's very sobering to see things
that we've always taken for granted, in this case, the
abundance of water and wet weather. You think of Newfoundland

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and Labrador, you think wet weather. I was talking to
someone I know in Europe recently. I said, you know,
we haven't seen much rain at all this summer and
it's really alarming. I was telling them about the fires
and everything, and they said, what, everything I've ever known
about Newfoundland is that it's wet, well, not this year.
And it's so, I guess, alarming to see just how

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quickly water and wet weather can disappear so quickly over
the course of just a few months. If you want
to talk about that, give us a call. As a
side note to that, the fires in Conception Bay North
in particular, dominating the news in August month, and we
haven't heard very very much at all from the people

(04:01):
affected there or how you know they're coping with that
absolutely alarming change in their lives and the landscape driving
through there, anybody who knows driving through there is such
a beautiful shoreline, and just to drive through there and

(04:22):
see the devastation, it's again I'll use the term sobering.
It is sobering anyway. And we're in this weird limbo situation.
I'm going to get into that now in a moment,
But we're in this weird government limbo situation. I'm wondering
if this is impacting any of the people affected by

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the fires anyway. If so, give us a call. So again,
I mentioned we're in this weird limbo situation. A new
government was elected last week, which it feels like took
many people by surprise. The results in terms of popular
vote and even in some districts were to run away
by any means, and there remain a very very close

(05:04):
results in a number of districts. My understanding is that
candidates who want to challenge the election results have until
next week to do so. Ostensibly, we may not see
a new cabinet sworn in for another week or more,
and it also remains to be seen whether or not
we'll actually see a sitting of the House of Assembly
this fall, so it may be some time before we

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see the business of government up and moving and get
a taste or a flavor for what this wakem government
will look like and how they govern. But if you're
affected by this bit of a low, you're certainly welcome
to give us a call. I know it takes time

(05:48):
for transitions and all the like, and there's a lot
of work that needs to be done there, but this
one feels like it's a bit long, and maybe because
we haven't heard anything. We haven't heard any notifications about
when government hopes to have a cabinet sworn in. Maybe
it's because we're waiting to see if some of these

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results might be challenged. Anyway, if you have any thoughts
on that, or if the Premier designate is listening and
wants to give us an update, he's certainly welcome to
give us a call on that note. Do you have
a realistic expectation about how many of the government elects
election promises will come to fruition. What about the MoU,

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for instance? What kind of a fiscal situation is the
province in right now? The window of opportunity, of course,
for the MoU, if it's to be finalized, is limited,
not the least of which is because there's an election
looming in Quebec and the likelihood of renegotiating ANU with

(06:54):
perhaps the party Quevequa I think we can all agree,
would be highly unlikely, and another opportunity might not be
in the offing for a very long time. Indeed, And
it looks as though the past government was sort of

(07:15):
moving towards having this MoU finalized so it could get
on with the business of government, because you know, we
don't have all the numbers. I don't have all the numbers,
but it seems like that money that was going to
start flowing from the MoU almost immediately we'll be needed

(07:38):
by the looks of things. So anyway, so how this
government navigates all of that remains to be seen. Do
you have a realistic expectation that the MoU should go
to a public referendum, for instance, which is a long
and lengthy process. I can tell you I lived in

(08:00):
for the first twenty two to twenty three years of
my life and lived through two referenda in that province,
and I can tell you it dominates everything. It bogs
everything down. It's fraught with difficulties and divisions and divisiveness.

(08:22):
Is that really something that we want to be at?
How would a referendum look like? What would it look
like and what would it mean given the results? How
would people vote? How on earth could you vote? I
don't know how I would vote if if a referendum
on that topic were to come my way. I don't

(08:45):
know if I'd have the information available for me to
make a reasonable decision there and not an emotional one,
because I think a lot of people react emotionally when
it comes to our relationship with Quebec. So it remains
to be seen. I like to hear what you have
to say about that. And of course, the needs of

(09:05):
Newfoundland and Labrador are very high and twenty four to
seven er services in rural communities, for locally built ferries,
more police officers, the reopening of detachments all highlighted during
the on the campaign trail. Expectations are high and the
newly elected provincial government has a lot to address, So

(09:27):
I think a lot of people would say, we don't
envy them anyway. If there is any insight that anyone
wants to share with us on that, they're certainly welcome
to give us a call. On the federal scene, I
see there are rumblings and concerns that the minority Liberal
government under Mark Kearney might not get the support it

(09:48):
needs to pass its first budget on November fourth. Transport
Minister Steve McKinnon told reporters in Ottawa yesterday that he's
concerned that the budget might not pass, and of course
is a confidence motion. So if it doesn't pass, guess
what Canadians will be sent back to the poles. He

(10:09):
was quoted as saying in quotations, we believe that we
have a mandate. And when I see opposition parties and
he of course he's speaking of the block henb bequid
the Conservatives in particular here ruling out the possibility of
voting for the budget. That's starting to worry me, says McKinnon.
But I think it's them that are misreading the mood
of Canadians. Well, there's a good question, that's what he thinks.

(10:32):
What do you think is voter fatigue something that the
opposition parties will have to consider when the budget is tabled.
Are you willing to go back to the polls and
how would you vote if you were asked to go
back to the polls. Would you relish it, would you

(10:54):
resent it? Would you vote accordingly? What's a call? And
we understand there's an update on the Wabbush airport situation.
We're going to try and get an update on that
for you this morning from either the Mayor of lab City,
Jordan Brown, or the MHA Electro Power or the MP

(11:16):
for the region to see what the situation is there.
And this is I don't know. This is a story
that I think has caught a lot of people's attention.
The R and C are warning about buying new items
third hand on platforms like Facebook Marketplace for instance. I
don't know about you, but while Facebook Marketplace it can

(11:38):
be a place to get a genuine deal in something
that someone no longer needs, it can also be a
bit of a cesspool in terms of how people interact
and what's available there and what they're asking for it.
I noticed people like trying to sell the McDonald's they
just bought. It's weird. So two people now facing charges

(12:02):
after another theft from the Lululemon store in the Avalon
Mall this week and police recover tens of thousands of
dollars worth of merchandise or just over ten thousand dollars
worth of merchandise. Now, we all know about inflation and
the cost how everything has gone up, but somehow stores

(12:22):
are going to have to make up the losses by
increasing prices. And if you're buying sketchy items on Facebook,
Marketplace or other online platforms that were likely stolen, and
you know yourself whether or not that could be the case,
then you're just adding to the problem. According to the RNC,
the sad part is that people wouldn't be at this

(12:42):
stuff if there wasn't a market for it, I guess,
But there you have it. Fascinating. Nonetheless, we have some
lines open. Now is your opportunity to give us a call.
I really look forward to speaking to you this morning.
Here are the numbers to do so. Linda Swayne in
for Patty Daily, who is off today. We're going to
start the show on line one. Dave Kine, you're on

(13:04):
the air.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Hello, good morning. Then a long time I have meantog
to you a topy years ago and Amazon the Health
Committee and Stephen Hull. Yeah, a long time ago, Linda.
I want to comment on our munual cub election that
was held on October second for the town of Stepha Crossing.
We had nine candidates running for seven seats. There were

(13:25):
two new ones running. When the election was over, two
former counselors lost their seats and two new ones mister
Tom Brake and Keim Nolden was elected. Mister Tom Brake,
he got the most votes, Linda. For many years the
town of stephen La Crossing mutal civil election was always
such a tradition by council that the person who topped

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the polls will be offered the mayor's decision with our
respect and cursday buy members of council. So when they
had their meeting Monday night, October the sixth, Tom Brake
had them also and they asked him if he won
the mayor. Yes, but listen to this the town clerk
and manager and who was the returning officer for the election,

(14:07):
and who ran the meeting of money. Now he looked
over to sick, got up and said this is not
the way for the counselor that got the most fot
there has to be a nomination for mayor and deputy mayor.
So Linda, this was all planned and they changed it.
So Lisa lucas the former mayor, she wasn't going to run,
but the last few days she decided to run and

(14:31):
was all planned to get her elected again. So now
we got a mayor that got the least votes, and
we got a deputy mayor got the least votes, and
Tom Brake, who got the most, topped the polls. He's
just a counselor. So there's no wonder, Linda, nobody wants
to run for council in Steve More Crossing.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
So you say that this was always the tradition was
an eid.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yes, yes, Linda, I've been here since sixty nine, and
the town men said it was changed in twenty fourteen
and was in the mind ofcipal Act. I read the
Mineral of cipal Act sam as the tour of the
three councilors, and it was not in saying the Minoa Act.
This was all planned because they didn't want mister Tom

(15:15):
Brake to be mayor because he was on council one
time before. But he got transferred to Ontario to his
new job, and so and it's all up in the air.
It's the same old story in Steama Crossing. And not
only that, Linda, the next day, the mayor, Lisa Lucas
got on open line saying that mister Brake did not
have the experience to be mayor. What a kick in

(15:39):
the face of mister Brake. And when Lisa Lucas first
elected as mayors a few years ago, she didn't have
no experience. So mister Tom Brake was a supervisor for
many years and a very smart man. So was all
done behind the scenes. Linda, Well, you're making.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Some pretty serious allegations here. I'd like to hear what
mister break or the former mayor has to say for
themselves on this matter. Once again, you say that there
was a change made. When was the change made.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
It was made when they went went to the meeting
on October the sixth, Monday night to welcome the two
new counselors along with the five former counselors. And then
the town manager got up. She ran the meeting. She
was the returning offer for the election, and she said,
it's not that way. I got to be voted on
and a former mayor got up and asked her when

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did this happen? She's it in twenty fourteen, And it
was not in the act. Was never in the act.
Was all this was all done by his census of
counselors over the years. I was ting to a former mayor,
mister Cliff Goodger was mayor for this down and that's
the way it always was. And even mister haveber Young
was mayor a few years ago and he said the
same thing on Facebook. Was always a tradition done by

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the councilors, not by not by the town manager.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, I know in many municipalities that's been the case.
Is the person who accrues the most votes is you know,
gets gets the mayor mayoralty.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Uh and and not only that, mostly all the Saint
George's same thing as Saint George's this year that the column.
I think mister White got the most votes again and
he's he's and he's a mayor again. So they never
had no vote. Whoever got the top of the polls
got mayor. So you know what, don't be done wrong
behind the scenes, they had at all ten you wanted

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least that they didn't want mister Tom Brake as mayor.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Well, they'll have to answer for themselves. I suppose if
they would like, they can give us a call and
let us know what happened there, what was behind the
decision making process.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
And then then a lot of people know and like
they said, well why should they vote again? This wasn't
done right, you know, And and that's why, that's why
we always got problems here. Steve or Crossing Lake, and
I call him Uni Cipal affairs, and I want buddy
to come in and investigate it, and he wouldn't do it,
not going to do it, he says. But he did
it to a deadie break patent and kept inter fears

(18:13):
ago she was cut off as mayor and she was
not a run for two or three more years. And
then look as Stephen Ball all the rackety had down
there when Tom Rowles was mayor, and he wouldn't investigate
Tom Rose either. Now the same things for our accounts
in the Crossing and people here are now all divided
in our town and then none counted.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Is well, Dave, I'd like to hear from those elected
two councils, see what they have to say about it.
I really appreciate your calling bringing this to our.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Attention, and thank you very much for your time in
as nice talking to you again.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
All right, thank you, thank you, bye bye bye. And
once again, if anybody on the Stephenville Crossing Town Council
wants to give us a call and let us know
what happened there, what was behind that decision making process,
they're certainly welcome to do. So we're going to go
now to Lucy Lair. You're on the air.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Hello, Lucy, Hi Linda. I'm calling from Gander. I'm the
great grandmother of three children in the public schools, and
I have friends who have children in various of the schools.
We began organizing here and we created an organization called
Families United for Student Success. We held a rally on

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October sixth. We have a petition. We're having an organizing
meeting tonight, a welcome meeting at the Gander Public Library
at six. But what I really wanted to talk about,
and you opened the door with how many election promises
will come to fruition by telling you what Tony Wakem
promised us about education. And I must say that I

(19:44):
watched the leadership debate on October eighth and my dog
is insisting I do something I don't know what, and
they talked for nineteen Education was not mentioned one time,
unless you count John Hogan's promise about school supply. It's

(20:05):
just not acceptable education is I mean, I would say healthcare, education,
and affordability. I don't want to be disrespectful of the MoU,
but I think those three things are the most important
to people in the province, and they're certainly the most
important to families who are whose kids are struggling in school.
My friend has a thirteen year old son, and she

(20:29):
wrote to me about what their day is like. She wrote,
he can't get assignments done and passed in right now.
He has a zero in social studies. He probably doesn't
completely understand what he's supposed to do, and he can't
even stay focused long enough to finish it. He doesn't
do his work during class time because he either doesn't
know what he is doing or he is too distracted
to get his work done, and he isn't going to

(20:51):
ask for help or ask to be put somewhere without distractions.
He has a science test today that he only told
me about last night at seven thirty. This is a
mom who sits with her chile to study for a
test to help them get assignments done. She checks in
every day via Power School to see how he's doing,
and you know, if there are assignments that need to
get done. My three great grandchildren have parents who are

(21:15):
so focused on putting food on the table that they
really don't have the bandwidth to help their kids with
their school. And I'm guessing that there are a lot
of parents who fall into that second category. Parents who
can afford it are hiring tutors to make up for
what their children are not getting in school, but most
parents can't afford to do that, and that creates that

(21:37):
continues the dividing line between the haves and the have
nots that we then pass on to the next generation
will be forced to stay stay poor due to their
job prospects being limited because they didn't get the academic
supports they needed when they were in kindergarten through twelfth grade.
I agree with Tony Wakem that our children are not

(21:58):
an expense. They are our future. Those are his words,
but we sure do aren't treating them like they matter
very much.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
You're raising some interesting points there, Lucy and I have
to say, I have a child in the K twelve system,
and there are times over the course of his time
in school that it felt like the curriculum was a
freight train that was moving, and either you hopped on

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and made it, or you were continually chasing it, or
it just got away from you altogether. And I try
my level best to stay on top of my son's progress,
but I don't know what he's doing in school, and
I stay in touch with his teachers, and they seem

(22:48):
to be trying, but it still feels like this, as
I said, a freight train that's just chugging along, and
either you catch up or you don't.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah. Yes. And what happened was that my friend got
a call from her child's instructional resource teacher who telling
her that he was going to lose the few supports
that he did have, which most notably was the ability
to take tests in a quiet room where the teacher
would read the questions out loud and if needed help

(23:23):
write his answers down. He won't in a class of
thirty kids. He's not going to ask somebody to read
questions out loud. God, that would you know. He's a
shy kid and so he's not going to call attention
to him, call.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Us attention to yourself. Yes, absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
And so she wrote in Facebook about what they had
told her that she was going to lose these supports,
and a lot of people responded and we actually sat
down with Bettina Ford, who was running for the Mhact
for Gander Area, and she actually won and they had

(24:04):
had money in the pipeline. The Liberal government had to
do some things to improve the staffing, and she was
able to kind of shake that up and get that
immediately started. So he is now still going to be
able to take tests in a separate room. But thirty
kids in a classroom, even if every one of them
was high functioning, it doesn't work. I mean, our classroom

(24:28):
teachers are burning out. And what's worse is this. I'm
an American, so this was news to me. They're not
allowed to speak out. The Supreme Court has said has
interpreted the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to say that
premium speech does not extend to employees. They may not
make disparaging remarks about their employers. So it's left to

(24:49):
the family members and people who care about the school
system to raise the alarm because the teachers and the
staff cannot.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Well and stop the union from saying what it wants
to say. So I invite mister Lamb to come on
the show with us this morning and address some of
these very important concerns that you've raised.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yes, and I appreciate that. I will say that we
are meeting tonight is at six at the Yander Public Library.
We have a petition that you can find on the
Families United for Student Success Facebook page, and we are
we are focusing on the Gander area, but we know

(25:32):
that their efforts around the province to address these concerns
and individual kids are failing now. I mean, they are
not getting the help they need now, and we are
going to hold Premiere Elect Wakeham's feet to the fire
about the promises he made, which I will remind you

(25:53):
said he said that he promised real inclusive education, duly support,
small group instruction, and student assistants for students who need them.
Those would be good steps in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Lucy. I do appreciate your call this morning. Thank you
so much.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Thank you for talking to me.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
All right, bye bye bye, Lucy Lair. Raising some very
important issues there related to the school system and the
promises made during the election campaign regarding education in Newfoundland
and Labrador. When we come back, we're going to talk
about ocean temperatures with a Memorial University or Marine Institute researcher.

(26:39):
Right after this, and we're back Linda Swain in for
Patty Daily, who is off today. We've all heard of
heat waves. We've experienced them here in Newfoundland and Labrador
and wherever you happen to be on the planet. It's
when you know, the temperatures go up for a period
of time, usually pretty uncomfortable. You try to find ways
to stay cool, and then, with any luck, the temperature

(27:02):
levels out again. Well did you know that heat waves
also affect the ocean environment. There's a group of researchers
who have just co authored a paper examining marine heat
waves on the Newfoundland and Labrador shelf over a four
month period in twenty twenty three. One of them is

(27:24):
doctor Nancy Soontinees. She's a research scientist at Fisheries and
Ocean's Canada and she is on the line with me.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Now, Hello, Hilanda.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
So tell us a little bit about this research that
you did on marine heat waves.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
Yes, absolutely, this was a study I was the lead
author and it was published very recently in the State
of the Planet Journal, and we really focused in on
a series of marine heatwaves that occurred over the Newfoundland
and Laughter Shelf in twenty and twenty three. So I
think maybe I'll start by trying to describe what is
a marine heat wave is. You know, in your introduction

(28:05):
you mentioned atmospheric heat waves, and I think we're all
really familiar with those, and the concept is quite similar
in the ocean. A marine heat wave occurs when the
temperatures are are warmer than normal for an extended period
of time. But one thing to keep in mind in
the ocean is that, well that the temperatures are really variable,

(28:25):
and there's no one set temperature threshold that this defines
what a marine heat wave is. Instead, we look at
how does the temperature compare in this location and at
this time of year to the ten percent of warmest
conditions that have occurred in the past. So we're above
that ten percent threshold, then we're in marine heat wave territory.

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And on top of that, we have different categories of
marine heat waves because ten percent isn't really all that rare.
It happens one out of every ten years, and so
we basically double triple and quadruple s threshold that we've determined,
and that gives us different marine heat wave categories, which
are moderate, strong, severe, and extreme. In the twenty twenty

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three case, we saw in some places the temperatures got
into the range of being considered a severe marine heat wave.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
So what kind of variability did you see there?

Speaker 5 (29:24):
Well in terms of temporal variability, so over the July
of the summer and the fall, we did see that
the strongest marine heat waves happened in July and August,
and the temperatures around the Flemish Crap area. So we
broke this study up into four different regions. We did

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look at the Laboraus Shelves, the northeastern Newfoundland Shelf, the
Grand Bakes and Flemish cat And you keep in mind
there's a lot of variability in ocean temperatures just in
those in those areas, it's a big area to encompass.
But in Famish Camp, where the waters are usually quite warm,
they were extra extra warm, so it was five and
a half degrees above what you would consider normal. So

(30:08):
temporarys reach subwards of twenty degrees in the ocean, which
is not what we're used to around.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Here, no, indeed, and what kind of an impact does
that have then on the fish and other species that
live in the water. I assume that cold water species
are trying to find colder water, either by going down
or going away.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
Absolutely. Yeah, that's a great question, and I think you
alluded to something that was really interesting about the marine
wave that happened in twenty twenty three. It was really
really confined to the ocean surface. And so if you're
looking at the ocean surface there with satellite data, you
see really really warm conditions, but you go a little
bit deeper in the water and they're actually quite a

(30:52):
little bit colder than normal. So that was something that
was quite interesting and something to keep in mind that
sometimes what's happening in that the surface doesn't really represent
what's happening throughout the entire water column in terms of
impact on species. We didn't look at that question in particular,
but there's certainly a lot of interest in pursuing those ideas.

(31:14):
You know, certainly we're seeing arizon and ocean temperatures across
the globe, and so there are a lot of concerns
about how that might impact the fisheries. We might see
migration of species that you know, from tropical areas up
into Newfoundland and Laba. With the waters that are going
to be warming, they might be able to tolerate those

(31:35):
temperature the temperatures in the ocean more than what they
would say in the past. So there are there are
a lot of potential impacts, but I don't have any
concrete answers on that question today.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
So what's causing the heating, particularly on the surface. Is
it purely atmospheric heat that's you know, bearing down on
the water and warming the water. Is there something else
happening there?

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Yeah, that's a great question, and that's something we wanted
to dig into in this study, and we found sort
of three leading contributing factors. The first was that the
ocean was in addition to being warmer than normal, it
was also a lot fresher than normal, so that fresh
water it sits at the ocean surface and beneath that

(32:22):
it's salty and cold and heavy, but the fresh water
is light and so it stays towards the surface. So
that's one element that caused that really thin layer of
heat near the surface. The other element that we looked
at were the winds. In addition to it being warmer
than normal, it was also not very windy during that summer.

(32:44):
And the winds, they add energy to the ocean, and
that energy can mix between those ocean layers so that
it's a warm surface layer, the winds would act to
mix that with the colder layers beneath. And because in
twenty twenty three it just wasn't very wind that mixing
wasn't happening, so the heat was trapped near the surface.

(33:05):
And the other element that we looked at was what
you commented on, was the amount of heat that was
being received by the ocean from the atmosphere. And the
atmosphere was also warm. We've seen that a few summers
now that we're getting really warm temperatures around the Amanda Labrador,
and that occurred also in twenty twenty three, and so
the ocean was receiving more heat than what's normal.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
You mentioned the fresher water. I assume then that that
has to do with ice melt.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
Absolutely, that's the leading hypothesis.

Speaker 6 (33:40):
I think.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
I think it's important to understand a little bit about
the ocean circulation around New Command and Labrador to comment
on that. So we receive a lot of the water
that the source water comes essentially from the Arctic, and
in the Arctic right now, we know that the sea
ice is melting and when that sea ice melts, it's
releasing fresh water into the Arctic Ocean that gets transported

(34:03):
to Newfoundland and laborershall And so that's one of the
leading factors that can be causing that freshening in our
coastal waters.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Is it affecting movement of water because I know that
you know, ocean currents and the like are like a
big conveyor belt. They're moving food sources in that northward
and back down south and all of those kinds of things.
And we've had that, we have this conveyor system so
to speak, in the North and South Atlantic that are
always sort of exchanging things. But my understanding is that
some of the scientific data is showing that that whole

(34:37):
conveyor system is slowing. And do these ocean temperatures have
anything to.

Speaker 7 (34:42):
Do with that?

Speaker 5 (34:44):
They're definitely related. Yeah, So what you're referring to, it's
called the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation. And in the North Atlantic,
you know, we're part of that system around New Finland
and Labrador, and we are seen in the science to
pick literature signs that that over turning circulation is slowing down.
And one of the reasons for that is that in

(35:05):
the Labrador Sea and during the winter months, the water
that's at the surface, it starts to cool down and
then it because it's cooler, it starts to sink and
that's one element that feeds the circulation or compare about.
But because as I alluded to, the water is becoming
more stratified, it's harder for that cold water to sink down.

(35:29):
And so that's what's one of the factors that's flowing
down that overturning circulation.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
And what does that mean in the grander scheme of things.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
That's yeah, that's that's a good question. It could mean
changes to our weather patterns. You know, the ocean and
the atmosphere are really closely coupled, and what's going on
in the atmosphere impacts what's going on in the ocean
and vice versa. What happened in the ocean impacts what's
going on in the atmosphere. And so there's certainly the
so that we would see less heat transported to from

(36:06):
the southern Ocean or from the from the tropical equator,
we would see less heat transporting north and and then
that quit impact weather patterns, especially in Europe. But that
Europe receives a lot of that those warm waters, and
so certainly it's the if the ocean is cooler, then
you would expect the weather weather patterns to change in

(36:27):
that in that area.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
It's all interconnected.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
Uh and uh, absolutely, this type of.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Research is so vitally important. How was your research made possible?

Speaker 5 (36:41):
Yeah, that's a that's a great question. So one thing
that was really kind of new for this research was well,
first of all, it was conducted at fisheries and ocean
to Canada. We had a team of I think six
co authors and we all had different areas of expertise
contributing to to the study and in and it was
also done in conjunction with collaborators in Europe. It was

(37:05):
published in something called the Copernicus Ocean State Report. They
produced a report on ocean conditions every year, and this
Ocean State Report number nine that we were published in
I was focused in on twenty twenty three. So that's
one of the reasons why we were so interested in
that series of marine heat reason why we wanted to
focus on that event.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Doctor Nancy Soutine such important work. I really appreciate you
taking the time with us and anyone who wants to
read the paper themselves. It was published in the journal
State of the Planet.

Speaker 8 (37:36):
Great.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
Thank you so much, Linda. It was a real pleasure.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Appreciate your time. Thank you, Bye bye bye. Doctor Nancy
Soontine's research scientists at Fisheries and Oceans, Canada. She was
the lead researcher on this research on marine heat waves
on the off the coast of Newfoundland and Labrador. We're
going to take a short break. When we come back,
we'd like to speak with you, and we're back. We're

(38:00):
going now to Gary. You're on the air high Gary, Good.

Speaker 9 (38:03):
Mary, Linda, A long time. No hear your boys. I'm
so happy to hear your boys, and I find for
one reason today I want to thank you and Patty
Daily and Dave Williamson and Brian, Brian and all the stuff.
I'd feel the same for all the work that they do,
because you know, the state is so important to all
the people here in New Poland. In you for me

(38:24):
because I hear I hear the good news, I hear
the sad news that I and every day I get
to pray for both both the good and and for
the tragedies. And I get to do a lot of praying.
And that's the part I try to do now. I
try to pray a lot for for everybody because we're all,
we're on the same planet, we're on the same world.
We need, we need to have an actor of random

(38:46):
kindness for everybody.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Oh you, No truer words have ever been spoken. Gary.
We're all connected, aren't we. And we're we're happy to
do that job. We that's important to us to keep
people informed.

Speaker 9 (38:59):
Yeah, and I think when I get on it, let
let you know you all know personally, because that to
me and me so much of me because some days
I listened and some days I'm in tears listen to
some of the stories. And then I get to pray
for those those people. And you know, because we're all
we're all God's children, you know, not the way I
look at We're all God's children, and some of this

(39:21):
we need, we need a lot of help, and especially
from from God himself. So God bless everybody and have
one holiday and oh yeah, and go Jays. You'll go.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Jay's go, go, Chase go, Gary. I really appreciate your
call this morning. Thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (39:37):
Okay bye now all right.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Byebye go, Jay's go. We're going now to Marie. You're
on the air high Marie.

Speaker 7 (39:46):
Hi, good morning.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
How are you.

Speaker 10 (39:49):
Good? How are you good?

Speaker 7 (39:50):
Good?

Speaker 11 (39:52):
I was listening to the lady earlier from Ganner who
talked about her song and the struggles that he's facing
in school and the lack of supports for him, and
I felt compelled to call. I'm here on the avalon
and I know that's an issue here for us as well,
and it's certainly a concern for myself as a parent

(40:15):
whose son is.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Seven years old.

Speaker 11 (40:19):
I mean, there's there's.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
Really no support for them.

Speaker 11 (40:22):
I've been lobbying to get a teacher's aid for him.
I've been told, like to help sit with him, help
him learn, you know, just do some extra one on
one and kind of you know. I also provide him
with positive encouragement, you know, great job, bluddy whatever. I
was told yesterday that they are short on resources. I

(40:43):
either's no money, no funding, so I don't know when
he'll be able to get one. My son learns differently
than other kids.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (40:52):
He sees a bigger picture. He likes to figure things out,
and he also has a huge sense of pride and
accomplishment from getting things done.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
So does he Is he facing any specific difficulties like
have you had him uh diagnosed or assessed.

Speaker 12 (41:10):
In any way?

Speaker 11 (41:11):
He probably may have some form of ADHD. But again,
the direct support is not there due to lack of funding.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
And like I.

Speaker 11 (41:24):
He needs a teacher's aid. There's four hundred kids in
the school. There's five teachers aids for four hundred kids.
There has to be like you know there there they
they work at number of hours a day, Like there's
no way that those five teachers aids can can make
a touch point with all these kids that need support.

(41:46):
Like I said, my son thrives on having tasks to
do and having a feeling of accomplishment. A solution that
that could be Like I'm really I really liked to
encourage the new Tony wakem government to follow through on
their commitments with regards to skill trades and getting apprenticeship
in high schools, but not only high schools. It needs

(42:07):
to start with our youth. With my son who's seven
years old. If he could do something at lunchtime instead
of being just put outside with another four hundred kids
whereby he doesn't have any focus or anything has to do,
he could sit down and he could build something, and
he could come home and have a sense of pride

(42:27):
and accomplishment by learning a skill, by learning something new,
and also too, that would help aid in all of
our youth's mental health because they are feeling confident in themselves,
They're feeling like they're successful. So I feel that.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
The government needs to put resources into this.

Speaker 11 (42:51):
They put resources into other areas and the youth or
our future, and I feel that we are failing our youth.
So us as parents, we need help to build a
future of New Fland and Labrador.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
So is he you say he's possibly has ADHD? Has
he been assessed for it? Because once that assessment takes
place and a designation or a diagnosis is made, usually
those kinds of things fall into place in the school system. Anyway,
he's there's more focus on him.

Speaker 11 (43:26):
I was told to do a course out of a
college in BC, which I will do.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Like I will do that course.

Speaker 11 (43:36):
BC, and I signed the letter for him to get
a teacher's aid but there's enough there's not enough resources available.
So even if I have that piece of paper, I
still have to do the course in BC, and I
still have to wait for a teacher's aid. And the

(43:59):
breakdown with my song is when there's no direct supervision.
There's no direct sup like, there's no there's only so
many teachers, like I don't know a teacher walks the
hallway at recess and launch. So it's when there's no
direct supervision and he's left alone with no task, no plan,

(44:20):
nothing like that. So if there was like a group
of kids that set together and they're going to learn
a skill, trade, they're going to learn a skill, they're
going to do that during lunch hour, then that gives
him a focus, It gives him a purpose, It aids
in his growth and his development, and also contributes to

(44:42):
a healthy mental health aspect because he's building himself up.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I think the structure
of the school system though, ensures that there is so
much outdoor or physical activity that takes place in the
course of a day as well, which is beneficial to
a lot of kids. But I do hear what you're saying.

Speaker 7 (45:03):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (45:06):
And I think that like the skill trades program and
the apprenticeship and even starting with our youth at seven
years old is vital so that every.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
Child is able to like learn.

Speaker 11 (45:19):
Grow, achieve, and that will lead to a future of
success in their life, in the success of New Flann Labrador,
in their mental health and in their careers. And this starts.
This needs to start now with my seven year old
so that he can he can, We can look at

(45:41):
our youth and we can see what their strengths are
instead of identifying their weaknesses.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Marie, I really appreciate your call this morning. Thank you
so much.

Speaker 11 (45:51):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
All righty god bye. Your thoughts on what Marie had
to say, or what Lucy had to say previously about
education or anything else that happens to be on your
mind now is your opportunity to do. So. We're going
down to news with Sarah Strickland and we're back Linda
Swaying in for Patty Daly, who is off today. We're
going to go now to James. You're on the air,

(46:13):
high James.

Speaker 13 (46:15):
Hi, Linda, how are you Soornie?

Speaker 8 (46:17):
I'm good?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
How are you.

Speaker 10 (46:19):
Not too bad?

Speaker 14 (46:20):
Not too bad? I'm just basically calling because my wife
and I we need assistance, well more or less financial assistance,
because I give you a brief hist year of what happened.
Back at the first of June, me and my wife
and two boys actually had to move out of the
house that we're living in because the land previous landlord
was selling his house was just fine. We decided to

(46:42):
get a house because that was closer to the area
for the boys so they didn't have to change schools
or anything like that. When we got here, basically agreeing
was heat light included, and so we agreed to that
it was twenty one hundred dollars a month. So anyway,
when we called Harvey's Oil, they said that we had

(47:05):
to have a well tank inspectors because it hasn't been
used in points in time, and then in order for well,
I mean, you can put any amount in the in
the tank. But we were just wondering, you know, how
much would it cost for us to fill the tank
even though heat and lights was included. They said it
would cost about thirteen to fourteen hundred dollars to fill

(47:25):
the tank. And they're like, oh my god, like, I
mean twenty one hundred dollars plus. Now we got to
pay for oil. I said, well, that's, you know, not
the contract. But anyway, we were talking to the property
management and they said, no, it's simply it was it
was in the contract. It was just heat or it
was just lights included that we had to pay for
the oil. So basically, right now we're in a situation

(47:47):
we don't have any heat in the house and we
we just literally we sat differthing over to the Tennessee's
X because like they told us that, like I mean,
you have to put it in running to say that
like the issues that you do have and present it,
and they basically took it from there. So we do

(48:09):
have a we do have a new house, but we
just had to pay everything here to bring up to
dates so that we could leave without any issues. So
this is where we're kind of stock here right now
because we have a damage deposit and a first month's
rent which we don't have, and we have to move
out of this house by the end of this month

(48:30):
because like we can't stand it here anymore. It's it's
too crazy the situation that we're going through. And we
we do have a house, it's just that right now
my wife is actually she's at a conference and she's
trying to actually find solutions herself. But like she told me,

(48:51):
she just like just try to reach out everyward it
possibly can, just to see what we can do. Because
we literally got to get the hell out of here
because another issue that happened, we had infestational wasps.

Speaker 13 (49:03):
We called uh.

Speaker 14 (49:05):
PET Pest Solutions, and they came back. They came by.
I tried to fix myself, which was on the outside
of the house, and it was actually literally on the
back of the of the chimney that's outside, And I said, like,
how the hell are we ever going to get at this?
I said, that's impossible because it's behind the chimney, Like
there must be a mess beyond the chimney, because the

(49:28):
wasps are literally coming in through the vase and going
like coming out from the back of the fireplace, like
like in about an hour inside the house, I had
almost bet a hundred wasps that I had to kill.
So we're getting the hell out of here. But the
only way that we can do is if we can
hopefully see if there's anybody or anything that can help

(49:49):
us try to get the hell out of here. You
know financial systems. I don't know, but like we're we're
trying to find every type of solution so we can
get out of here.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Are you both working?

Speaker 14 (50:01):
Yes, I'm currently I'm actually currently home. I'm off sick
actually because I have ostio in both of my knees,
which i'm trying to get just recently actually got a
family doctor and he's trying to get me to go
in to see an MRI. So I'm actually home from

(50:21):
work sick. But my wife is working. She's working full time.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Gotcha. And so you've got a new place to rent,
but you can't leave and go into that new place
until you come up with first month's rent and a
damage deposit. Is that correct?

Speaker 12 (50:38):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Would you get your damage deposit back from this place?

Speaker 14 (50:44):
Well, see, this is the thing. We never paid it
at first because when we agree to take this house,
they were supposed to like say, what's the middle part
of the month. So they said, okay, well in two
weeks we'll have everything you know, freshened. Uplah blah blah
blah blah. Nothing was done with us. So when we
moved in, we said, okay, well we're going to you know,

(51:06):
put this in writing and we're going to say, you
know that we need this dumb by this amount of
time or we're moving and we came with hell, you know,
rent and damaged deposit because you know, like it's just
not reciprocating on their end, you know, like we brought
these issues to them, they're dragging our feet. So we're
just we're just fed up. But then just moving out.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Right, So if you withdrew that damage deposit and first
month's rent, then do you not have that down from
another place?

Speaker 14 (51:38):
No, that's the problem because we just had to pay
our rent here, which was twenty one dollars, right, So
we're we're just trying to keep everything up to date
so that that way in like we don't have any issues.
But it like so when we do leave, and it's
probably don't make any sense that way, but we never
paid our damage deposit here just because of the issues

(51:58):
that we're having ray from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Gotcha, And you don't have any family support or help.

Speaker 14 (52:06):
No, we don't have any family in Saint John's basically
mostly you know around the bay and everything like this.
And I mean I'm an older you know, I'm in
my fifties because my older siblings heard like Engrish sixties
and seventies, So I mean they're finding your heart that
make aims meet as well. But it's just like we
we literally had to take this house because it was

(52:29):
close for the schools for the boys, so we didn't
have to basically off root them to change schools. But
now obviously it got to because I mean we're waking
up here. Basically got turned to Aubanon indication in order
to freaking heat the place off.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Wow, there's no electrical heaters there. There's no electrical heaters,
no baseboard heaters anywhere, not a.

Speaker 14 (52:52):
So basically what we got we got an album. Uh,
I waked up at six o'clock in the morning, turns
Aubnon and before it tells boys get out of the bed,
I just make sure that the host warm. So like,
we can't do this.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
No, that's not a that's not a solution either. Well
have you have you spoken to your m h A?

Speaker 14 (53:15):
I haven't yet, because this is this is my first
call here this morning to whoever, Like if I could
you know, basically I'm just start will utilize first.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Well, maybe there's somebody who knows what you sorry, yea,
maybe there's somebody who's listening who knows what you can
do or is dealt with these kinds of things before,
or who's your m h A, do you know.

Speaker 13 (53:42):
My mha here is Nick Hogan, John Hogan.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Sorry, yeah, if you give his constituency office a call,
they might be able to help point you in the
right direction. And you've put this out over the open
line now and if anybody has any suggestions for you,
keep listening. They might be able to provide you with
some answers. And or Dave has your number and can.

Speaker 14 (54:12):
Yes, yeah, let you know, perfect.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
All right, all the best, you know, James, Hopefully you
get this sorted out.

Speaker 14 (54:21):
Yes, hopefully too, and they will. Just thanks for letting
me quote out or anyway, just to see if there's.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Any all right, all the best to you, Thank you, Okay,
bye bye. Yeah, a bit of a pickle there, for sure.
We're going to take a very short break. When we
come back, we hope to speak with you. And we're back.
We're going now to the mayor of Whitburn, Hilda Whale,
and hello, Hilla.

Speaker 10 (54:45):
Thank you, good morning, Linda.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
How are you.

Speaker 15 (54:49):
I'm just doing just Jimmy cricket falling I'm on a
high with the jays.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Oh aren't we all?

Speaker 16 (54:59):
Well?

Speaker 15 (54:59):
Yeah, several items then I'd like to talk about this morning.
First of all, I do hope that Premier Welcome Waiting
government does continue to create and use the nurse practitioners
and the family centers. They do well in creating an

(55:24):
answer to the stress taking the stress off of doctors.
Because of our aging society, that will only increase in
the future, and I do hope that they continue for
future years, but of course they cannot replace our doctors.

(55:45):
I would also like to speak to the news that
BC is bringing in healthcare nurses and doctors. I'm not
sure if nurses entry is easier than doctors, but getting
doctors here in our country is quite the process. I
wonder if these doctors who are what we call IMGs

(56:11):
and that is an internationally medical graduate graduate, that they're
from Ireland, England, Eastern Countries, et cetera. The beginning of
the doctor's process is to write a test for the
Royal Canadian Physicians and surgeons and once they get through there,

(56:33):
which is not an easy process, the next step is
to apply to a province of your choice. I guess
for a Physician and Surgeon's license. There they will receive
a conditional professional license. The next step of the doctors

(56:53):
is to apply to pr pr IS is the ready
Practice Assessment. It's to make sure that they are quite
efficient in all areas. It's a twelve week process and
once they're finished through there after successful, of course, they're

(57:19):
in their license. But I think there's a probably one
or two year return of service to most provinces. Here
we take ten or twenty a year into pr PRA
is in every province in Canada, it is adjoined to

(57:40):
your physician insurgents.

Speaker 8 (57:43):
You will go.

Speaker 15 (57:43):
Directly from your conditional provisional license right into PRRA and
you're out practicing in twelve weeks. Not so here in Newfoundland.
Here in Newfoundland you have to wait until the university
has the room for you. They take ten a year.
I had many conversations with Minister Osborne when he was there,

(58:09):
and I think a little pressure that was put on them.
I think one year they took twenty. I don't know
if that's been the same ever since. A lot of
doctors have actually left this province because they were waiting
for PRA. All their provinces have accepted our conditional provisional

(58:33):
licenses and they go directly to PRA and it's fully
license in twelve weeks. I've had many applicants who called
me and said, I'm not waiting around myself and my colleague.
We're off to Nova Scotia, more off to New Brunswick.

(58:53):
Doctor Cheneis is in BC Hospital. I know all the
names and where they are. All MAHA's were aware of
this problem. None asked it to be addressed. The only
one I ever heard speak of it was Paul Lane,
and he's very well aware of it. I didn't hear

(59:13):
it mentions during the campaign. All I heard was one
to replace the service. So my question is the government
and I'd like to throw these said not only to
the MHAs, but also to the public. Maybe you'd like
to do a little dig in yourself. Ask how many

(59:33):
got privileged a conditional provincial license and how many went
to PRA. So aware of the rest, everyone wants new
doctors here. They just can't walk in and practice. It
doesn't matter if they are in the USA. In fact,
I was talking just last year to Phelis Collins, who

(59:56):
used to work in government and his son was considered
in IMG because he was educated in the States. Now,
he tried to get through the Canadian sufficient position surgeons,
but he didn't make it, so he ended up staying there.
He didn't men, he didn't get through. He passed two

(01:00:17):
or three times. That's not an easy process in itself,
let alone going through the provinces. So I asked that
you put pressure on your MHA for practice ready assessment
outside the university, like in every other nine provinces. Like
I sei, we're the only one controlled by the university.

(01:00:39):
Why when we paid him three hundred and sixty million
forever in a thousands of years.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
But God, they owe us.

Speaker 15 (01:00:48):
I did a news interview with Heather Gillis on December fifteenth,
twenty twenty three. I asked that you you can you
can get it online, and that you read it because
this is still true. What I stated in that interview
is still true, but it has to be changed if

(01:01:09):
we are ever to get the doctors that we need here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Mayor Hilda, well and I do appreciate your time this morning.
We'll see what others have to say about it. Thank you, dear,
thank you very much. Bye bye. That's the Mayor of Whitburn.
Hilda whalan there. We're going to go now to a sief.
You're on the air. Hello a sief, Hi, good morning,
good morning. What's on your mind?

Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
A lot of things. I'm just a little bit overwhelmed,
And so just to share I was talking with David. Yeah,
I was just sharing my story. That is a little
bit complex one. So just to keep your background, I
can hear in two hundred and seventeen I just student,

(01:02:01):
and in twenty twenty two I found out I have
part cancer and that turned my life upside down. So
fast forward, in twenty twenty three, my cancer spread to
my lungs and other parts of the body. So right
now my cancer is incurable advanced tarret cancer. Because of that,

(01:02:30):
Because of that, I had to change my status with immigration,
and I also applied for permanent residency under Humility and
compassion reason because I have a two and a half
year old son here and there's a code order that
he cannot be moved from here, and my best option

(01:02:52):
would be to stay in his life is to be here.
So that's the background. Now comes the part toward the
problems comes in. The problem comes in with I sis.
There is a long processing time, even before the recent years,
it was two to three years, and I've been waiting
for quite a while now, like almost a year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
And so sorry, just to back up a little bit, Asiefe,
because you're providing us with a lot of information, and
it's a lot of heavy information, as you can appreciate.
So as I was trying to process some of it,
I was trying to understand it. And then you're moving
on to another thing. But so you're trying to get
a change in your immigration status.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
Actually I all did.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:03:43):
So I was a student and after my child was born,
I decided to stay in can onlyformance right, but because
of my cancer diagnosis, I'm not illegible for standard applications. Okay,
So I applied under humated and compassionent application to stay

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in Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
And that process is taking too long.

Speaker 6 (01:04:16):
Usually it was long. It was like two to three
years to process. But now since October update is ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 6 (01:04:29):
Yes, so i CC gave me visitor status until they
make a decision to stay here with my son and
continue my medical care. But the problem is with the
visitor status, I am treated as a tourist, so basically

(01:04:51):
I cannot get I can work legally here. I cannot
get any provincial support or cannot do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
So do you get healthcare?

Speaker 6 (01:05:04):
Nothing? Nothing? So visitor status means I'm basically a tourist. Wow.
So I've been working with my MP John Thompson's office
and also I worked with my MH Saras Totally office

(01:05:29):
and they've been really good. They have been trying. So
right now, my MB's office reached out to MINSIT TB's
office or ministryal dis question because my situation is quite tired,
and also my health is declining. Uh, there are a
few things happening in the cold legal system. I'm not

(01:05:53):
gonna mention because that would undermine that process. But olid
I'm graam mentioned I haven't seen my son seen since
August despite there's the cold order. So with my health

(01:06:14):
and like other conditions, and also I have not able
to have money for food medications. And when I reached
out to province, they said they cannot help me because
of my visitor status. I need to be a permanent
resident in order to get any help from the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Is there any way to accelerate that process because of
your situation?

Speaker 14 (01:06:42):
It is, and we.

Speaker 6 (01:06:43):
Reached out to IICC a multiple times they denied, and
they said, okay, we're working on it. This is a
complex file and we're still within the processing time limit.
Now the question comes in mind that the processing time
was to to three years and now it's ten years. Right,

(01:07:06):
So even in seven years would be within the time
limits right, right, And with my diagnosis is unknown. But
at the same time, mostly scenario people in my condition
leads to three years. Because it's stable, I might live
a little bit longer, I might live a little bit less.

(01:07:29):
Now it's hard to say, right, but one thing is
considered my quality of life is that good?

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
No, it's the tear.

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
It can say stable. But at the same time, the
other thing, like recently I got my spinal bulls, so
I could barely walk now even to make my food
or anything, and et cetera, et cetera. Right, So the
problem now becomes how do I support myself? How do
I buy food? I cannot even go to the food

(01:08:04):
bank and get food. I'm not eligible for anything, not
health care. I got temporary health care for a few
months and that's just to to go to the hospital.
Then I have to buy medications on a daily basis.

(01:08:26):
I don't have any money to buy medications.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Oh my goodness, do you have anyone who you know
in your community that can help you? Or association for
New Canadians who might know a pathway for you.

Speaker 6 (01:08:40):
I rech out to each and everyone, and the problem
I face is they said, oh, you're in a visitor status.
If you're a permanent resident, we couldn't helped you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Oh my goodness, And.

Speaker 6 (01:08:53):
I'm losing out to media just to call for attention
that my situation and only I'm facing. And I could
tell everyone my situation is complex and I don't fit
the exact definition of the legislation they had, right, even
though there is with isicicit there is ministerial discreation to

(01:09:18):
address semiting crisis in a timely manner, They're not going
to do it. With province, there is a ministerial discreation
to help people in need. They would just not do
it because I don't know, because I don't fit the
exact legal definition.

Speaker 11 (01:09:38):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:09:41):
And with the problem, people say, why don't you go
back to your country? And I tell people, honestly, I
would love to go back to my country. But the
problem is then my son will lose his access to
his father.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Yeah, yeah, so you're in a real other another pub.

Speaker 6 (01:10:02):
And the other problem is I cannot do a plain
journey because of high black clocks risk. I might not
even survive the trip journey. So if I stay in Canada,
I don't have any food. I don't have any like
I don't know if I would have a shelter, no medication,

(01:10:23):
no one to take care of me. What I do,
what I do, I cannot do anything. What I don't do,
I cannot. I'm just in the harder rock list. I
can't just do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Yeah, a nightmare, A nightmare situation. Well, see if you've
you've raised it publicly, you say Joanne Thompson's office and
Sarah Stutley's officer working for you. You mentioned ministerial discretion.
Is that a possibility?

Speaker 6 (01:10:56):
I don't know. And I've been waiting for a spare
so it's been a file. And the thing is time
is not the luxury I have. I wish I could
do it for like five years, ten years, whatever it is.
And the only reason I'm reaching out to media if

(01:11:17):
media attention would grab the policy makers to take an
action like And my question is to IICC and the
policy makers, I understand what is happening? I don't fit
the definition right, But how do you expect me to leave?

(01:11:37):
What do you want me to do? Do you want
me to stay in Canada to be with my son?
I get it? How do you want me to do it?
I cannot legally work, I cannot access any support. Okay,
you don't want me to stay in Canada. I can
go back to my country. But how do you want
me to go back to my country safely without putting

(01:11:59):
my life feederal risk and making too an old son
not to help his father anymore in his life.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
See if I feel for your situation, Oh my goodness, gracious,
if there's any hope or help out there, I encourage
anyone to try and take some action to help you out.
I appreciate you telling us your story. I'm so sorry
for what you're going through. Will you keep us up

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to date and let us know if you make any progress?

Speaker 6 (01:12:37):
I will and like this is my last dish. That's
what it called for help? Like if anyone listening, the
provincial policy makers or maybe feral level ministers, I don't
know they hear it or not. I just need your discreation.
Like there is this question to help people like me

(01:13:00):
in my situation, and I can only hope someone will
help me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
I really do hope that the help is out there
for you. I do appreciate your call. Take care as
much as you can.

Speaker 6 (01:13:19):
Thank you so much, Thank you, bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Well, what a heartbreaking call.

Speaker 14 (01:13:25):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Between a rock and a hard place. If there's anyone
who has any suggestions as to what kind of help
they can provide for a seaf or if you have
information or want to help, David can take your call
as well. We're going to take a short break. When
we come back, we hope to speak with you. And

(01:13:48):
we're back. We're going to go now to Will. You're
on the air, I Will. How are you doing?

Speaker 13 (01:13:54):
Not too bad? Enjoying the good weather whilet lasts.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
While it lasts.

Speaker 13 (01:14:01):
I'm one of the individuals who was employed by Elections
Newfoundland for a one day stint. My role was minimal.
I was a parking attendant, but I was asked to
call on behalf of other people who worked there, some
of those people who actually worked inside taking the votes

(01:14:23):
and doing that sort of stuff. The big issue is, well,
there's a couple of issues. One was the fact that
a lot of people worked fourteen hours plus that day
without being given any breaks. They were told they couldn't
take a break because they were short of staff. I
don't know much about.

Speaker 14 (01:14:44):
That side of it.

Speaker 13 (01:14:45):
I was outside, so I didn't see much of what
was going on in side. I know, I spent fourteen
hours of my own day on my feet, and then
I was told at the end of it that it
would be four to six weeks before any of us
would see any pay from that, which wasn't disclosed to

(01:15:06):
us during the interview, Like they told us it might
be a bit of time to wait for our pay,
but certainly not up to two months.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Four to six weeks to wait to get paid for
a single fourteen hour shift.

Speaker 13 (01:15:20):
Yeah, one day, yep. And apparently a lot of people.
A friend of mine in particular, who worked there, was
not told that at all. She also wasn't told that
she wasn't going to be getting any kind of breaks
or anything, like people weren't even allowed to leave their desks.
You know, I was kind of lucky I managed to

(01:15:40):
be outside and you know, made my own breaks kind
of thing. But you know, even so, I feel for
the people who worked inside who had to stay there
for fourteen hours would have been allowed to leave. Yeah,
and then yeah, then there's the issue of the four
to six week waiting period. I did call, I sent

(01:16:01):
an email, and I made a phone call to the
number available, and of course I was just given the
canned answer, which started with the word unfortunately. So anything
after that is probably nothing you have any use.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
So unfortunately, what is the reason you're being given for
this lengthy weight to get paid?

Speaker 13 (01:16:24):
There isn't one there. I could go back to the
email that I received from them and just basically it's
a matter of payroll and YadA YadA. It was a
canned answer. I mean clearly I sent it regarding pay
time and says thank you for your email. I'm sorry
that you're upset. Unfortunately, we are unable to provide you

(01:16:47):
a date at this time, YadA YadA, as it depends
on when we receive completed paperwork. Anyway, they said, then
they're telling me an email that it could mean a
delay of three to four weeks after the election. Our
payroll department makes their best efforts and so on and
so forth.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Yeah, well, it's not like we didn't know it was.

Speaker 13 (01:17:08):
Coming, right, I mean, you know, you would have thought
that preparations would have been made to just you know,
you get people to come in and do this sort
of thing and take the time of their day. I
know one person, my friend, who basically booked off of
work and lost you know, a couple of hundred dollars
in pay, you know, to do this and then to

(01:17:32):
be told that, you know, well sorry, you look, you know,
sorry you did it, but now you're going to have
to wait.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
You know, wow, if you're waiting six weeks, you know,
I mean, that's taking us close to Christmas.

Speaker 13 (01:17:45):
Yeah, And I mean I don't know about anyone else there.
I know a personal friend of mine who is is employeed,
took time off work to do it. I am not employed.
I'm on assistance, and I was offered this stint as
a way to boost my income a little. And I
had made plans around, you know, within a couple of weeks.

(01:18:08):
I had made plans, you know, after the election to
pay some bills and you know, pick up some groceries
and stuff like that. And now I don't even know
when I'm going to see the money. It's hard to
make plans around money that you don't even know when
you're getting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
It, you know, I know there was a similar situation. Gosh,
it's a while ago now. It may have been the
last election or maybe before that. I know our newsroom
is fielded calls on it in the past after elections,
people wondering when they were going to get paid, and
in some cases it's been you know, like you say,

(01:18:43):
an extended period. We'll see if we can't get some
answers from elections n L on that and find out
what's going on.

Speaker 13 (01:18:52):
Well, hopefully you get better answers than what I did. Yeah, well,
you know the canned answers if you're familiar with that term.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Yeah, yeah, we'll certainly share it publicly if and when
we get anything. Will I appreciate your call this morning.
Hopefully you get paid soon.

Speaker 13 (01:19:09):
Yeah, all right, thank you so much for hearing me out,
and you all take care of have.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
A great day, all right, same to you, Bye bye.
Anyone else is a similar vote waiting to get paid
from elections and ll we're going to see if we
can't get some answers through the newsroom over the course
of the day or the next day. On that. We're
going to take another short break because we're a little
bit overdue. When we come back, we hope to speak

(01:19:35):
with you. And we're back. We are going now to Edward.
You're on the air, high Edward.

Speaker 16 (01:19:42):
Yes, good morning, Linda. How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
I'm good? How are you?

Speaker 16 (01:19:48):
I'm not doing too bad. I'd just like to make
a couple of comments regarding the new government we just
selected and Premier tone Wakem. I I'm trying to find
a delicate way to say this. I have no objection

(01:20:11):
to a change of government. I think the old adage
about change is as good as the rest. But I
got one big concern with the agenda that Tony Wakem
and his PCs have talked about during the campaign, and

(01:20:32):
that is concerning this m ou thing with Quebec and
the the deal that we got pending basically with Quebec.
And it seems like, uh, the PC government before they

(01:20:55):
even get started, Dave's demonstrated that they're really not that
much in favor of this, I think. But what really
concerns me, Premier to the Wakem, if that's correct term,
he's said stated over and over again that he's going

(01:21:19):
to have an independent third party review of this agreement
before he's willing to move forward on it, and I
wholeheartedly agree with that proposal. Would I think it would
be it would be good to have a third party

(01:21:41):
review that, because we all know what happened with muskrat Falls,
So we're not all lined up saying, oh my god, yes,
if Hydro, If Newfomland, Labrador Hydro says this is a
good deal, well got to be a good deal. They
don't have a good track record. However, come back to

(01:22:05):
what I really, I really want to make is this
business of holding a referendum. Now, I don't know what
purpose that's going to serve other than take the onus
off of Tony Wakem and the government to decide is

(01:22:27):
he afraid to make a decision? Does he afraid that
history books was going to look back and say, well,
Tony Wakem signed a deal that was just as bad
as the one Joey's mom would sign. I don't know
if that's what is at the root of this referendum business. Look,

(01:22:48):
we elect the government to govern, to make decisions, make
informed decisions, and putting a issue as important and consequential
as this will be, or certainly should be out for

(01:23:09):
the general population to vote on it, and I'll include
myself by saying I have absolutely very little idea about
the legalities of it, or if I read the full
agreement from cover to cover, I still wouldn't really understand it.

(01:23:29):
And why is he going to be asking me and
every other person in the province to vote on this?
I think it's an absolutely ludicrous idea And the only
justification I can see for it is it takes the
pressure off of him, takes the onus off a humanist
government to make a decision. They can say, oh, well,

(01:23:51):
that's what the people wanted, but there's no I mean,
people will be voting on that because their grants was
a liberal and voted liberal other life, so we're going
to vote liberal, vote against this simply on this kind
of thing. That's just an example.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
So you know, how do you craft there's so many questions?
How do you craft a question for it? Do you
know what the cost of a referendum is? Have they
costed that out? And have they told us what that
would amount to? And honestly, I wouldn't know if it's
fit to eat or not. I don't have that knowledge.
Even as you said, if I read it back to cover,

(01:24:31):
I still wouldn't know.

Speaker 7 (01:24:34):
Exactly, Linda, and I'm the same way, and I think
the same can be said for ninety percent of New
Philanders except probably lawyers and things like that.

Speaker 16 (01:24:45):
But it's not to me, it's not an issue that
we should be voting on. It's it's something that the
government needs to, Like I said the Independent Review, I'm
back down one to hopefully remove some of this uncertainty

(01:25:07):
that certain parodies are are publicizing. And I'm not sure
that they know any that unarrests us, only what they think,
but putting it out to a referendum is to me
absolutely fools errand and I hope Tony Wakem realizes that

(01:25:29):
and changes the course on that, because I totally totally
do not agree with that, basically all I wanted to say.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Ed, I do appreciate that, and you know your view
is echoing what I've been hearing from an awful lot
of people on the ground over the last little while.
But again, we have no answers as to what kind
of direction the new government intends to take us in
in that regard, or any other matter for that matter.

(01:26:01):
We have yet to hear from Tony Wakem about what
his plans are or even when his cabin is going
to be sworn in, So we wait all of this
with baited breath.

Speaker 16 (01:26:12):
Yes, yes, you're absolutely right. And just one other, one
more quick comment that just came to mind. But whatever
the PCs intend to do, I hope they do it
pretty quickly and not go dragging their feet on this,
because this could all come down to not being a
decision for us if in if what I'm reading and

(01:26:37):
hearing is next fall, there's extremely good like the hold
that there's going to be a PQ government elected in Quebec,
and I think that's going to change this whole whole project,
this lego for whose premier Quebec. He seems to be,

(01:27:03):
at least what I've seen of them on TV like,
he seems to be a pretty reasonable, decent, upstanding guy.
And I don't know, like I said, if if a
separatist government gets re elected in Quebec, this whole deal
could go down to toilet. So my final word is,

(01:27:26):
whatever Tony and is a new government plan to do,
I hope they do it real quick and not drag
their feet on this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Edward, I appreciate, Yes, absolutely, have a great.

Speaker 16 (01:27:40):
Day, you too, Okay, bye.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Bye, your thoughts on what Edwards had to say. By
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Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
And we're back. We are going now too. Steve McBride
on the Southern Shore, Hello.

Speaker 17 (01:28:12):
Steve, Hello, how are you? Well? You know I'm feeling
a lot more optimistic today than I was a couple
days ago, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
Well, yeah, a little bit of rain in the forecast anyway,
hopefully it sticks.

Speaker 17 (01:28:25):
Yeah, Well, that's the thing, right, We've kind of been
seeing this pattern for a little while now, where you
look a couple of days ahead and the forecast and
you think, finally some rain, desperately needed, and then it disappears.
So really hoping this one sticks and hoping it's going
to solve a couple problems for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
I noticed you had posted about this a little while ago,
saying that you know your will has been dry for
some time now, and you're there trying to raise some
animals and you know, grow a few plants and crops
and the like. As what's it been like.

Speaker 17 (01:28:59):
Well, we've been up here on the homestead now for
twelve years and we have a shallow well and you know,
lots of animals, and the shallow well has always provided
for us, you know. I mean we live in one
of the rainiest spots in the whole country here in
the Avalon Peninsula, and usually we can rely on that,
especially in September. I mean, what we saw back in August,
you know, was a little unusual, you know, more fires

(01:29:21):
and we kind of typically tend to see and it
was dry, and you know you kind of think, well,
as soon as September comes, we get some tropical storms in,
we get some hurricanes in and everything's back to normal, right,
And this year that did not happen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Yeah, it's been alarming to watch these tropical storms, you know,
form in the Atlantic and move up and then zoom
off it goes to Ireland and England.

Speaker 17 (01:29:45):
Yeah, and normally you'd think, oh, great, we're off the
hook this year, and you know, it's kind of the
other the shoes on the other foot this year because
we find ourselves wishing for the kind of weather we
often hope to avoid.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Yeah, for sure. So how are you coping?

Speaker 17 (01:29:59):
Well, well's been dry pretty much all summer and now
into the fall, so it's led to some creativity. It's
an adaptation on our part. We fortunately have a fresh
water supply down with a local pond that's part of
the hydrogenerating asset for mobile There's some kayaking canals and
stuff around here, so we actually have a close by

(01:30:22):
fresh water supply that we can tap for farm use.
It just means a lot of work because we've got
to take some five gallon but buckets down to the pond.
It's about half a kilometer away, and we've got to
haul them back one at a time. And you know, goats, bees,
even we've got turkeys and ducks. We go through a
lot of water. We've got crops to water and you know,
and that's on top of our own use. So we've

(01:30:43):
been getting drinking water from the well and that's about it.
Everything else we've had to haul by hand.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
So what are you hoping for? I mean, aside from
a good downpour of rain, and I presume we'll need
a pretty heavy snowfall this winter as well.

Speaker 17 (01:31:00):
Yeah, well, we're starting to see the effects of you know,
the droughts obviously gone on for quite some time now,
and people often tend to think, well, maybe a rainfallow
too will fix it. But at this point in time,
we got twenty five percent of the expected total rainfall
so far for the month of October I was reading
the other day, so those are really no numbers. So
I'm sure many listeners have seen those effects firsthand. We're

(01:31:22):
seeing people on social media posting pictures all over the
place from the island where lake levels are way down,
where even hydro intake ventor are basically like the water
levels below there. So you think if these kind of
things continue, we would be facing some very serious problems.
So what we need now is we need not just

(01:31:43):
a good drenching, we need several good drenchings to really
restore our water tables. We're seeing municipalities that are having
trouble with water supplies, water conservation orders, which are typical
and expected maybe in August, but very rare in October,
you know, seems to be what we're all dealing with
this season.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Dealing with it on a farming level is one thing,
Like you say you've had to think outside the box
and start getting those buckets ready and do it the
old fashioned way, I suppose. But when it comes to
governments and how governments deal with these kinds of things,
I think it's fair to say that over the last
number of years, the way that governments have been dealing
with climate change mitigation is to expand some of our

(01:32:23):
infrastructure to accommodate higher water volumes, not lower ones.

Speaker 17 (01:32:29):
Yeah, well that's the thing, right. The thing we're going
to see with climate change is we're going to see
both ends of that spectrum. And the rainfall we're expecting
this weekend as a perfect example, we go from drought
to flooding pretty much at the drop of a hat,
and you know, it requires extremes on both ends, I think,
where we need to adapt to not enough water while
also simultaneously adapting to too much water. And it's just
a matter of which way is it going to go

(01:32:50):
and win.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
So you were put out the call to people not
to buy you know, decor that of hay, bails for
the fall and that sort of thing. Any luck with that,
how are you getting your hay?

Speaker 17 (01:33:08):
Well, we're still okay for hay. We managed to stockpile
them a little early, but it's certainly not enough to
last the winter. And if I can't buy local hay
for you know, eight dollars a baale, I have to
import hay and buy it at the co op and
it's you know, forty dollars a bale. So something like
that can really hammer the bottom line of you know,
a small family farm or even an agricultural operation if

(01:33:30):
they don't happen to have a lead. So we're still
looking at the fact that, hey, stocks, we've heard from
farmers who harvest hay. They're telling us that they're hay
harvest this year was a half, sometimes a quarter of
what's normally expected, and again that's just because of how
dry our whole summer was.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
So what are the answers for farmers now through the
course of the winter.

Speaker 17 (01:33:55):
Well, I suppose one thing that many of us are
going to have to do, especially on the smallest is
we're just going to have to invest in water infrastructure.
So for a small farm like me, with just the
two of us here mostly providing food for ourselves this winter,
I plan to add some more water totes to our
property that we can collect rain water from that we

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can fill up when water is abundant, because the thing
is once the ground saturated, the well will run for days.
So if I can get more water toats on hand
and have a water collection system set up, which has
never been necessary before, We've always been able to rely
on Mother nature and the fact that we live in
such a rainy place. And it looks like climate change
is going to bring more uncertainty to the rainfalls that

(01:34:37):
we're used to getting, and I think we're all going
to have to be more creative how we conserve water.
We're gonna have to be more creative with how we
use water, and we're going to have to be more
efficient like we Heck, this season, I found myself taking
our bath water after we've had a bath in the
tub and saving it and putting it back in the
buckets and taking it down and watering my asparagus with it,

(01:34:58):
because if not, I have to to spend another hour
taking trips down to the pond ahole water by hand.
So we've found ourselves, you know, just being more efficient
with water use and just reusing water that you know
you just would to like go down the drain because
because water here is such a plentiful asset sometimes a
year that you just don't even think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
Well, indeed, it's a stark contrast, isn't it. Because I
can recall doing an interview with a firefighter who was
called to deal with some of those devastating fires in
Australia a couple of years ago, and he was telling
me how stark it was for him to know how
Australians are so vigilant about water use and holding onto

(01:35:41):
their water and making sure that they're not wasting water.
And he said, you know, for a new Philander, that's
just like, wow, this is so wild, and yet we're
talking about it now.

Speaker 17 (01:35:50):
Yeah, And it's come up really quick. And that's the
thing that's really I think surprised a lot of us
is just that it's turned almost on a dime. And
the real question is what's going to happen? Like is
this a real no what's happened this past season where
the drought stretches way into mid October? Or is this
part of the new normal? Is it going to be
one year before I face this again or is it
going to be fifteen? And I think that level of

(01:36:11):
uncertainty is kind of you know, just just adding to
the anxiety that some of us feel because you don't
know if this isn't new normal, or if this is
just a freak occurrence, and.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
It's something that governments have to deal with because you know,
farmers are a big part of this province's economy and
feeding us, and we're talking more and more about food
security and now it's foods insecurity, and you know, it's
something that governments are going to have to deal with
going forward and finding ways and policies to deal with

(01:36:44):
these things as well.

Speaker 17 (01:36:45):
Yep. And I think it's also really important to not
forget about some of our rural communities too, because like,
I'm a farmer and I grow food for myself and
for people in my community. But we're also hearing a
people up here that have been living up here for
you know, fifty years since in nineteen eighties or earlier,
and their wells are dry too, and where you know,
I'm a relatively young man. I can still haul water

(01:37:07):
all day long if I have to. I have a
couple of neighbors that are into their seventies or eighties
that have actually had to move back into Saint John's
to stay with family or friends for the duration of
this because their wells are dry, and what do you do.
I mean, you all need water every day, and if
it doesn't come out of a tap, what do you
do about it? So I hope that there's a role
for government to maybe just do what happened with Belle

(01:37:29):
Island when Bell Island has water drinking issues, where maybe
they look at developing some sort of relief or some
sort of water program where people can can reach out
when they're out of water and find a safe source
of drinking water and get it to their house.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
That's an excellent point because I do know of some
seniors myself who ran out of water back in June
haven't had any sense and if only if not for
the good nature of their neighbors, they'd be in a
real difficul situation. Like you say, they'd have to leave.

Speaker 17 (01:38:03):
Yep, yep. And we've been really blessed because we have
a local friend who has a trailer and some extra toats.
So at one point in time when we were out
of water, he just showed up with two thousand liters
of fresh water and gave us a fill up which
lasted over a month. And you know, the great thing
about New Flanders is that we can often rely on
our family and friends and neighbors to help us. But

(01:38:24):
you know, not everybody has that luxury, and some people
don't have you know someone within their network that has that,
that can just show up with two thousand liters of water.
And I really think it's important that we don't forget
about those people and that the government really kind of
has an eye towards saying, hey, we can help.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Steve McBride, appreciate your take on all of this. Thank
you so much.

Speaker 17 (01:38:46):
Thank you for having me on. Let's all do our
reign dance, waiting for it anxiously.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Absolutely, thank you so much. All right, thank you, bye bye.
We're going to take a short break. When we come back,
we hope to speak with you. Linda Suaaney for Patty Daily.
We're going now to Sheila Beckett.

Speaker 4 (01:39:02):
Hello Sheila, Hi Linda, how are you?

Speaker 18 (01:39:06):
Oh? I'm fine, Thank you. I just have a quick
thing for you to do for me. I want to
announce about a sale that we're having at our church. Okay,
we're a bit late getting it out this year, but anyway,
I'm sure no better place to announce it than open
line it's from Saint James United Church, three point thirty
Elizabeth Avenue. We're having a harvest tea and a bake

(01:39:30):
stall and it's been held in the auditorium on Saturday,
November the eighth. Time is two to four pm and
the cost is ten dollars. So come and have a
cup of tea with us.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Oh it sounds lovely, So a Harvest tea in bake
sale on November the eighth. Ten dollars to get in
and enjoy some yummy.

Speaker 19 (01:39:52):
Stuff and there'll be other things going on to like
there's the tickets on a basket and etc. Right, but
it'll be a fun time for sure. It's been going
on for over fifty years.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Wonderful, well, Sheila, good luck with it. That's a Harvest
ty in bake sale at Saint James United Church Saturday.
You said November the eighth, Yes, that's right, November the eighth,
and what time two to four pm in the afternoon,
two to four pm. Wonderful, good luck with it.

Speaker 18 (01:40:22):
Well, thank you very much, all right, thank you today
you too.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Bye bye bye bye. We're going to go now too. Okay,
we called it was there and it's gone now. Elvis
Lovelass is the MHA for Fortune Bay Cape Lahou. Hello, Elvis,
good morning, Lenda.

Speaker 12 (01:40:40):
How are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
I'm good. How are you?

Speaker 16 (01:40:43):
Oh, I'm good.

Speaker 12 (01:40:45):
We still got summer like almost like early fall weather
into October, so it's it's nice to take advantage of that,
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Yeah. Absolutely, congratulations by the way on your when in
the district. I know it's not exactly what you were
hoping for.

Speaker 12 (01:41:01):
Yeah, no, no, for sure, but you know it's it's
part of the process when you go into the game
of politics. It's some win, some lose. But I always
say that anyone who puts their name forward in politics
is a winner because you you hear people's voices and concern.
But there's there's a I guess there's a government, and
there's opposition as well. So uh but and I want

(01:41:25):
to begin by by thanking obviously the supporters of Fortune
Bay Kate Blahoon and even though that didn't vote for you. Uh,
there are constituents and I will work as hard for
them as as anybody. You treat them all equal and uh.
And and the new government, I you know, the the
respectful and honorable thing to do is congratulate them, and
I do awaken in his government. And uh, but I

(01:41:49):
want to reference. I guess the district that I represent
is a rural district and there are many issues obviously
in rural parts of the province and and the whole
of the problems as well. But I will guess I
put the new government on notice that you know, wakem
has said many of the times during his his videos

(01:42:09):
and everything during election that his party will be about
building up rural New Finland and Labrador. Well, that's welcome
news to me representing ural parts of province and I'll
be holding him accountable to that for sure. And Lenna,
you know, in my district we have a few major
things to do as well. And because we announced an

(01:42:31):
extension on the Harbor Breton Hospital which we'll see ten
new beds and that will address acute care which is
very very important and the beds itself and that also
will house a family care plenty. So those very important
to the to the coast, not just to the town
of Harbretton, but to the region and stuff. And on

(01:42:54):
the other thing, Lenda, is the Marain Protected Areas. There's
a lot of talk around that we had a plan
and for that the PC government that they're saying that
they're going to withdraw the signature from that. I want
to see how that looks. I welcome back because the
agriculture industry, and not just the agriculture industry, but the

(01:43:14):
marine protected area is a lot of concern around whether
it would affect the fishery in general and the way
of life down there. And I said it before and
I'll say it again, not under my watch that will happen.
You know, we had to find a balance.

Speaker 14 (01:43:28):
So there's a lot I.

Speaker 12 (01:43:30):
Guess two happen in the coming months, and you know,
as opposition, we certainly will be questioning the government because
there are promises Linda that is very concerning in terms
of the costs and whatnot. And three that I reference
is the twenty four hour snow clearing. You know, what's

(01:43:51):
the additional costs and is there additional staff that's required
for that? And four new ferries to be built whether
there's no mention though of the South Coast ferry system
none at all, so what does all that mean? And
cellular service you know, these are problemses that have large
price tags and can they be done? But out of respect,

(01:44:13):
we definitely will give them an opportunity to do what
they need to do. But I believe in short, in
a short period of time, we'll find out if that's
duable or not, and they'll be held accountable for it.
And the last thing I want to say, Linda is
and thank you for giving me the time here this morning,
is the MoU. I just hope that it will move forward.

(01:44:35):
More questions. Absolutely, that's what it was all about in
terms of oversighting, questions. But what I don't like see
happening is that mister Williams's former premier has certainly inserted
himself into the whole thing now, And I say, I'm
disappointed by that because the man left this province with
fourteen billion dollar debt to pay off for the people

(01:45:00):
this province, which was very unfortunate. And to see him
now calling the shots for the you know, the p
season and the new government. I hope that's not the case,
but we I guess we will see moving forward. So
there's a lot to be said done and moving forward, Linda.
But I look forward to the challenge and it's a
it's a new day and a new challenge for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
Any idea when the business of government will commence.

Speaker 12 (01:45:25):
Well, I think at the end of the month, Lenda.
The the swearing in is supposed to happen. Now, I
don't have any time frames, but I'm told that probably
the end of the month, and obviously there's a transition
period as well, and we'll wait for that, Holly. Hopefully
that happens soon rather than later, because we're anxious to
get back to work. A lot of us are moving

(01:45:49):
from government into opposition and that's a process for sure.
But at the end of the day, I'm still working
for the people of Fortune Bay, Kate Lahune and for
the people of the province and I look forward to that,
I really do, and anxious to get back to work.
So we'll I think it's gonna be very interesting, Paul,
and I'm certainly anxious to get back into the House
of Samily for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Elvis Lovelace, I do appreciate your time this morning. Thanks
so much.

Speaker 12 (01:46:14):
It's always a pleasure letting you take care of yourself,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
You too, Bye bye, bye bye. We're up to news
Time with Sarah Strickland.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
About Tim Powers show. Joining the Conversation weekday afternoons at
four pm on your vocm oh that's me, and.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
We're back letting the Swain in for Patty Daily into
the last half hour of the program. Some really interesting
and compelling conversation on the show so far, anything you've
heard or anything you want to chime in on. By
all means, now is your opportunity to give us a call.
We're going to go now to Don.

Speaker 8 (01:46:49):
You're on the air, Hi, Don, I are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
I'm good?

Speaker 16 (01:46:53):
How are you not too bad at all?

Speaker 10 (01:46:55):
I want to talk about transmissions. You want to buy vehicle?
They never mentioned about changing the fluid in the transmissions.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
They never mentioned what you sorry you you blipped out there.
I didn't hear you. They never mentioned what about transmissions.

Speaker 10 (01:47:11):
When you should change the oil in the transmissions. They
tell you about the motor, but they won't tell you
about the transmissions.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
Understand me, Yes, I do, yeah, yeah, you guys.

Speaker 10 (01:47:24):
My daughter I got a van and the transmission is
gone and the thirty seven the comers I have want
gone in the vehicle. And you want to you want
to the paiful whoever it's too where when you show
you the carp for sale trade fish are gone five
thousand dollars.

Speaker 8 (01:47:43):
There's a lot of them.

Speaker 10 (01:47:44):
There, okay, And when you go to the grass, I
tell you about changing the war the voters on the
wordy and everything else is on the worthy. But the
transmission got the same moving parts as the engine, right
if you're if you're supposed to change that transfersion food

(01:48:05):
or six year seven or eighty thousand corometers, then you're
supposed to change because you go up to a hunt
around there and twenty on her on forty the dialogus
with black. Yeah, it's not rid anymore.

Speaker 8 (01:48:19):
It's black.

Speaker 10 (01:48:19):
Yeah, And all those booing parts in that transferasions work,
poss are, but that the transmission that work properly.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
So you're saying, unless you're proactive about it, there's nobody
going to put that on a maintenance schedule.

Speaker 10 (01:48:35):
No, and they're not going to tell you about it. Yeah,
you've vot cars yourself. They did it? Mention transmission today?

Speaker 8 (01:48:42):
Nope, No, you ask them.

Speaker 10 (01:48:45):
You said, when should I change the transmission food in
my car? I want to know because I want to
go over amount of the time that transmissions be changed,
understand me, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's a lot
of people I never did there don't know, but there's
thousand thout the people don't notice.

Speaker 8 (01:49:07):
Okay, you know, and I end up but a trange space.

Speaker 10 (01:49:11):
I'm actually I know how I got to give her away.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
And transmission is not part of the usual you know,
twenty two point inspection. No, according to Okay, interesting, I
test it.

Speaker 10 (01:49:28):
I texted out. You want to check it out yourself.
You get your chest you know, but you care what
should I change the transmitsion food in my vehicle?

Speaker 8 (01:49:37):
Is that on the.

Speaker 10 (01:49:39):
On the wartes or anything?

Speaker 16 (01:49:41):
Yeah? Because right now it's full of cost a dollar
of six hundred dollars to get food changed to another vehicle.
That's chat wow, say yeah, because oh that's not covered.
You will be covered this Okay, So.

Speaker 10 (01:50:01):
I'm the people know we're going to the ahicle. Ma'
sure yees, wouldn't be the change in this vehicle?

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Yeah, good question.

Speaker 10 (01:50:12):
Yeah, well that's what I want to talk about. I
want to inform the people, all the players that they
want to tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Okay, all right, don I appreciate that little tidbit of information.

Speaker 10 (01:50:27):
It could be a lot of titch too.

Speaker 7 (01:50:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
Absolutely, you get a lot of tid bitch today. Yeah,
exactly for the cost of that. Uh, don thanks for
your call.

Speaker 10 (01:50:39):
Yeah, you take care and all right you two bye
bye bye.

Speaker 8 (01:50:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Interesting, he says, nobody ever mentions the transmission. By the way,
while he was talking, it struck me that also nobody
else tells you what exactly a bumper to bumper warranty is.
Because I'm going to tell you something. It includes some exceptions.

(01:51:05):
Having run into that issue myself in the past. Anyway,
have you had any thoughts on that? You're certainly welcome
to give us a call. We're going to go now
to Tony around the air high Tony, how is MORELANDA?

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
Oh good?

Speaker 20 (01:51:17):
How are you?

Speaker 13 (01:51:19):
And good things?

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
That's good.

Speaker 8 (01:51:22):
That's not a lot of funting about her ELO's lotos
on there. He's going to hold with the PC's accountable.
I mean, the guy was there and now he's concerned
some of the stuff in his own district. You've been
Deary ten years and everything gone down here instead of
going up. And he's wonder to where all the money
he's going to come from? Well maybe he's sure he
was when he was in government. Did he have he
so concerned?

Speaker 12 (01:51:39):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
Where is the money going to come from? Tony? That's
a good question. Where is it going to come from?

Speaker 8 (01:51:44):
Well, he's going to come from tax. But right now
we got they paid the billions of dollars to their friends.
He should have been more concerned where the money was
coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Dan, What do you mean billions of dollars to their friends?
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 8 (01:51:55):
We had We had eight one one uh sending out
billion dollars or millions of dollars a year, one hundreds
of millions of dollars a year, or seventy five percent
of the people that was phone eight one one they
were sending to emergency. They told them to call it
goes emergency. Eighteen percent of the total phone nine to
one one. They could have found that without that makes
the best of it. Any of you have phoned that

(01:52:16):
you had to go to the emergency or double paint.

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
Okay, so you want to eliminate the eight one one service, Well,
but we could ahead.

Speaker 8 (01:52:23):
I mean all that extra money that was wasted over
and then on top of that the two hundred and
forty four million dollars they found that was paid out
to traveling nurses. They had over forty million dollars paid
out to for this hospital, and then they cut forty bids,
which was millions of dollars more that could have saved.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
And it just goes on and on.

Speaker 8 (01:52:42):
I mean there and the education's gone down hill there.
I'm with education. When the PCs took over, they had
to do the same thing as be done. They were
going to have to do now they're going to have
to bring down the class size. When they were there before,
it was trade to the kids in the classroom. They
had to bring the brought down to eighteen to twenty
four four work and they had classrooms for a spress

(01:53:03):
on these kids. They had stretch of the teachers in there.
They took all that away. The kids were put down
in the back of the room and seen and not
heard any plessure room and you know classrooms that they
had for you go in and take tests and that
for or their exams.

Speaker 6 (01:53:17):
They had took all that away.

Speaker 8 (01:53:18):
They ruined education and health care. What had done in
health care. They reversed everything. I mean, you got the
same thing. They found millions of dollars going from the
department to the department and no accountability for it. I mean,
all this money that was going out. If they had
to pay more of attention to what was going on,
we wouldn't have the worries about what money was coming from.

(01:53:38):
They laid off. I mean half the business is closed
down here in the province. They laid off.

Speaker 6 (01:53:44):
Everybody know.

Speaker 8 (01:53:45):
The doctors left because they were treating them like crap.
They couldn't get a deal, they couldn't make they wouldn't
make a deal with doctors. And the last after four years,
they signed the doctors and give them the contract and
said you either take it or leave it. We had
doctors graduated wouldn't even get an offer to the.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
Issues you're raising now. Just goes to show that it
would seem that there are no easy solutions to some
of these things. So where do you get the the teachers,
Where do you get the nurses, Where do you get
the nurse practitioners? Where do you get the doctors? Because
we're facing a situation that's not unique to do for

(01:54:23):
Land and Labrador. It's being faced right across the country
throughout this country province by problems.

Speaker 8 (01:54:29):
Yeah, but we had them.

Speaker 15 (01:54:30):
We had them here.

Speaker 8 (01:54:31):
We had nine respiratory rifists graduating in the government never
made them an offer. We had risk. We had radiation
therapists eight quit nine months. They were sold, over worked
and they were paying getting paid ten dollars less an
hour than the government said you were going to paying
equal raise. We had nurses that had to quit because
you were forced and they were forced to work overtime.
They could force and work overtime. I mean, we never

(01:54:52):
had we lost our nurses.

Speaker 4 (01:54:53):
We had.

Speaker 8 (01:54:54):
I mean they were when the government when ZS took over,
they used to hire them aftery were graduating, they hied
them class When we need them, they hired them. We
treat our doctors with respect, and that's what they had,
and that's why we lost them, because they treat them
with no respect whatsoever. You had the doctors on a
few years back lawney around the news every day because

(01:55:14):
the way that the government was treating them. In fact,
when we come into this crisis, when we come into
this situation with the health care, the doctors went to
the government and said to the government, we know how
to fix this. And the government wouldn't listen to them.
They didn't have no but they they wouldn't listen to anyone,
and they laid off when they got in power. The
year before they brought in a full day kindergarten, they

(01:55:35):
caught two hundred and forty four teachers they laid them off.
So I mean we had the teachers that they but
they didn't keep them. And then the year forget com
said we're short of teachers. Well they had to be
short when they cut two hundred and forty four teachers.
Like this is what this government has done since they
got in power. You heard nurses union under all the time,
how I mean, and then the nurses comes out. Now

(01:55:57):
they won't give them full time jobs, give them full
time hours. So who's going to stay there with that
kind of with that kind of stress? And nine of
you forward to then are people that's working as people
that invested in our province. They're the ones to build houses,
they're the ones to buying car they're the ones putting
all their money into this province which goes back to government.
This is why when the government was in their last time,

(01:56:17):
we had I think the seven point three million dollars
a year in our budget the death Now we're up
to over twenty billion and only half the people working
and the business are all closed down. The prices have
gone to the roof because when they got in they
drove the taxes. They put on an extra three hundred
taxes and fees, and we even had the paper stay
in the province like taxes they had on I mean,

(01:56:40):
it was just unreal what this government has done to
ruin this province. And this is why now you've got
people losing their homes. They're handing in their keys, losing
their homes. You can't afford to keep them. You've got
people to seat them intense, You've got seniors who can't
afford to eat or heat their homes, and all this
is because of this government.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
So you know, like there are a lot of issues
need to be addressed, obviously, But again I'll come back
to the same question I asked you earlier, is you know,
how do you pay for all of that? Where do
you get that money?

Speaker 20 (01:57:11):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
What do you propose gets cut? Because I think one
of the election promises was to cut taxes.

Speaker 8 (01:57:20):
And more taxes, the more money. If you cut taxes,
Like if you've got to say you've got one hundred
dollars coming in your pocket and somebody taking seventy five
dollars out of it, you only got twenty five dollars
to spend. If you cut taxes and you put in,
say seventy five dollars in your pocket out of twenty,
have one hundred. You've got more money to spend. So
more taxes you've cut, the more money's going in people's pockets,
the more money and you're investing. So if you've got

(01:57:41):
save for instance, you've saved next to four or five
hundred dollars a month, even five hundred dollars a month,
and you've got an extra money to spend, you're going
to go and invest in this problemce you got and
buy it. If you've got you want to go and
buy a probably upgrade your house or if you've got
a cabin or whatever you got, you're going to spend
money in this problems which cust You're going to go
and you're going to borrow some money cause you can

(01:58:02):
afford to spend the extra a couple of hundred dollars
a month, So you're going to end that's problem. That's taxes,
that's going into the government, like building people building homes,
is extra money is going in government, or you're going
to buying the car, money going in government. But when
you don't, when you're taking all your money in taxes,
you've got nine to spend, you don't even paying afford
Garig groceries. And this is how, this is why I
was so successful. In the last time, people were working.

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All the business were open, open, But when taxes was
put up so high, the business couldn't stay open because
they had to put the prices up. And you're taking
the people, taking the money out of people's pockets like
me and you. Then you can't afford to buy. So
they got to and they're laying off people. So the
people that's invested in the province, like I said, who's

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spending their money in the problem now they're out of work.
The people of the business got to be closed down
because the taxes are so high that they can't keep
it open. So I mean you you go anywhere into
problems now, or go around town anywhere you take. You
take the village shoulder almost empty that was booming. You
go in tops of road, you go downtown, everything and
it's not closed or just scraping by to just suffer

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to try to keep the place from closing. You've got
the taxes so high, the prices got to go up.
Everything got to go up.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
Well, it's a little more complex than that, as you know, Tony,
because there's a you know all kinds of push and
pull figure factors that are happening there, not the least
of which is the facility provided by online shopping.

Speaker 8 (01:59:25):
So also yeah, but that's but that's why people are
online shopping. They can't afford to shop anywhere else, so
you got to go online. Try to say dollars where
you can, uh like basically you try it, but it's not.
And then you've got rent who if you've got rent
a place or if you're you've got a business, you're
rent and you're going to put price up because once again,
the taxes is so high. So it just there's a

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chain reaction standing. If you've cut taxes, total money puts
in people's pockets. It's the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
I appreciate it. We have to pay some bills now,
Thanks so much for your call. Have a good day
and congratulations too.

Speaker 8 (02:00:00):
By the way, Tony, and I'll say that on the government.

Speaker 4 (02:00:04):
Yes, yes, I must say.

Speaker 8 (02:00:06):
We're going to We're want to see good things happening
now because Tony is a man that's going to plan
for the future. He wants to make America go one
at that for the people, the's problems and you're going
to see some difference in us.

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
All right, Tony says what it was. Okay, bye, bye bye.
We're going to take a short break. Will we come back.
We hope to speak with you. And we're back on
VOCM open line. We are going to go now to Cecil.

Speaker 20 (02:00:25):
You're on the air high Hi, good morning Linda. Yeah,
money Cecil. And I recently or two days ago, came
came back to Newfland and we came to the Labrador
and while I was saying the trip and understanding what's
going on with the politics here, that if if the

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new government as could make it ask to Quebec to
go or to finish their rolling cut about to hours off,
that trip would open up.

Speaker 13 (02:01:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (02:01:04):
I know it sounds funny, but it would really open
up for Quebec as well as a new plant and
it would be a benefit for them as well because
on the Quebec side, the communities didn't need to connect
to our service by coastal boats, so it would be
a benefit to them as well. So and there's no

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army in asking or see if we could make this
work and it would clear up the bottleneck right now
that's in port of Baths, because I mean the same
thing that happened last year is probably going to happen
for a few more years until they get straightened out.
But if we could get that road built go across
on that ferry, it would really open up the province.

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It would give us another way we wouldn't We would
still have a way across if there's storm's not so anyway,
I thought I would just put it out there for
public information, because when I came across, that was what
I was thinking about, is this trip is it is
way too long? But yeah, and we we And that

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was our second trip out west this year, and the
first time we went to a port of bass and
just this time we were coming back. We came back
to the Laby door and see if it would make
a difference. Then it's about the same same length of time.
The road is now just got on the Quebec side,
once you get up past bake home Land.

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
Oh yeah. And but just to make it clear, I
wasn't laughing at the concept of a fixed link. I
was laughing at the concept of a twenty two hour
trip that could be cut. You know, cutting a trip
by twenty two hours, that's such an extraordinary amount of
time to get anywhere. So you you say you took
the Port of Bass route getting back, No, no.

Speaker 20 (02:02:53):
No, we came back to the Larby door route.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
Oh okay along the Quebec Lower north Shore.

Speaker 14 (02:02:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:58):
And you as you say that road is leaves a
lot to be desired, it does.

Speaker 20 (02:03:05):
Yeah, but it wouldn't And you know, Quebec wants things
as well, so it would be a mutual benefit thing
and they could ask for that, Like chances are they
not going to get a better deal money wise for
church for right now, but they could ask for other things.

(02:03:26):
And I'm quite sure Quebec wants things that you know
would benefit them as well. And the other key part
of that is that last year when this very fit
thing was happening with porta Bass, is that Canada has
promised newfoulanda road. So they might even be able to

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tie into federal dollars to give.

Speaker 2 (02:03:52):
That done for us as a nation building project for certain. Yeah,
you're raising an interesting point there that this could be
mutually benefit to Newfoundland and to Quebec uh and open
up some of that some some of the potential in
those two areas, especially along the Saint Lawrence Seaway and
the Lake so do you make the trip often out West?

Speaker 20 (02:04:17):
Well, well, well I moved back to Newfland three years
ago and we've been out west four times since then,
price this year.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
Yeah. And so do you usually drive?

Speaker 20 (02:04:28):
Yes, yeah, because we need a vehicle when we get there,
so yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:04:33):
Of course yeah.

Speaker 20 (02:04:35):
Yeah, we're we're retired, so we can take our time
and do it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
Yeah, so time is not an issue. But boy, that's
got to be exhausting.

Speaker 14 (02:04:46):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 20 (02:04:47):
And yeah, like I said, apart from Bacon up up
to lab City, that part is is really bad.

Speaker 16 (02:04:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:04:56):
And I would imagine, I mean, you had beautiful weather
for it if you if you were traveling recently, but
at certain times of the year, I would imagine that's
not a very It was pretty daunting.

Speaker 19 (02:05:07):
No.

Speaker 20 (02:05:08):
Yeah, I've seen them polls that they put by the
road for snow, and some of them are seven or
eight feet I and yeah, I wouldn't want to go
through there in the snow start.

Speaker 2 (02:05:18):
No, indeed, it's bad enough in around Lodge Bay, Red
Bay area cecil. Interesting. I don't know if that idea
has glommed on to others, but it's an interesting suggestion
and I thank you for raising that and so happy
you're back home safe and sound.

Speaker 20 (02:05:38):
Yes, yes, thank you. Yeah. I thought it was important
because other people travel and and I live up here
in Acho for Lanceeto, so you know, coming that way
was good for us.

Speaker 2 (02:05:52):
Cecil, all the best to you now, Thank you so much.
Ok you have a great day, you two Okay, bye
bye and Cecil. A last word on VOCM open line.
Thanks everyone for your contributions. Very interesting program, a lot
of very compelling discussion today. I appreciate that Patty Daily
will be back tomorrow. Stay tuned now for Sarah Strickland

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with your VOCM at noon with all the news of
the day. Once again, thanks so much, have a great day.