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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line call seven oh nine two
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(00:22):
Paddy Daily. Well, all right and good morning to you.
Thank you very much for tuning into the program. It's Wednesday,
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which is eighty six twenty six, so a little bit
earlier to bed. Last night, the Blue Jays not up
the World Series the two games apiece with a pretty
decent victory six to two over the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Pretty exciting.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Sof vladimirg Gero Junior hit a run last night, of course,
that's he's seventh in this postseason, which a franchise record,
breaks the tie that he had with Joe Carter and
Jose Bautista. So every game is the biggest game of
the year. Now, obviously you Savage on the mound tonight
for the Blue Jays. Oh my goodness, let's get him go. So,
I mean, the Dodgers' rotation is super stout, and it's

(01:18):
worth mentioning that they got five off of Blake Snell,
four off of Taller glassnow four off a Tani last night,
and of course they have a modo control them with
a complete game. But anyway, what do you think here
we go win the night to bring it back to
Toronto up three to two. Anyway, let's keep going. So
the Liberals have requested a judicial recount in three districts

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Now Placentia, West, Bellevue, Tops Paradise, lewis Port, Twinning Gate.
Some of the margins are way outside of the ten
vote margin ford automatic recount. And you know, the Tories
will say that this is a waste of the court's time,
and it very well might be. It's an option available
to them. It's the party's prerogative to request these traditional recounts,
but it doesn't mean they're going to happen. That's part
of the equation that kind of gets overlooked. Remember back

(02:01):
in twenty twenty one a judge refuse a recount in
Allison Coffin's victory A part of me in Allison Coffin's
defeat and the vote marriage and there was fifty three
votes and John Abbit of course won that seed and
all of the court shenanigans and everything that that followed.
But three recounts not sitting well in some corners in
my email inbox. But there you go. And today Premier

(02:22):
Designate Tony Wakem will be sworn is, a province's sixteenth premier.
Cabin will be sworn in as well. Be curious to
see what the cabinet looks like. There will be calls
to shrink cabinet and it's always the way, isn't it.
When there's a shuffle or a new government comes in,
people will look to the number of people occupying cabinet roles.
And it does come with a significant costs, additional cost
for the taxpayer with the amount of money pay to

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cabinet minister. So we'll keep an eye on it. And
of course it's an opportunity now to hit the ground
run and we'll get into some of the issues, and
of course you can help set the agenda here this morning.
This story is in the news today, but it's something
we discussed over the summer months where we had extended hot,
dry days. It was really quite pleasant for some folks,
but maybe not if you're living in a long term

(03:05):
care facility without air conditioning. This is a problem. The
heat is not just uncomfortable, The heat is not just
necessarily bothersome. It can be very dangerous and heat can kill.
So we're the only province in the country as far
as I know. No, wait now, let me restart that
the only province with the legislation to make it mandatory
for maximum heat thresholds is Ontario. Look, we talk about,

(03:28):
you know, the most vulnerable segments of society and the
way we should treat seniors with dignity to give them
those type of surroundings that can be comfortable and yes,
dignified air conditioning. For folks who lived through this past
summer without a mini splitter air conditioning, it can be brutal.
So let's see if we can't get some attention to that.
You know, these are one of the things that kind

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of gets overlooked. We can talk about the menu and
staffing ratios all important, but they just straight up plane
and simple comfort of the residents of long term care
facilities is a pretty big topic. Maybe just maybe that
can be addressed inside that it would be nice to
see some Ford momentum in so far as when you
have a couple who possibly have been together for decades

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entering into long term care, but they have different levels
of care required, and what happens now for the most part,
we separate the couples. Some of the stories are absolutely heartbreaking.
There was one such story where it was either the
husband or wife I can't remember which, and they were
they have dementia. And then when the couples were separated
and the person with dementia saying, what happened to my partner?

(04:31):
Did they leave me? You know, we can't have those stories,
and I know it's not as simple as we just
you know, with a flick of a pen recraft legislation,
all of a sudden, things are hunky dory. But there's
got to be some sort of strategy to minimize or
to limit the number of couples that get separated at
some points in time. It might be inevitable, it might
be unavoidable, but boy, I sure like to see some

(04:52):
Ford momentum on that front. But that air conditioning story,
it might not come across as a big deal to
some listeners this morning, but where I said it is
a big deal. Also, when we talk about care settings,
there needs to be some update on where the government
is in adopting some of the recommendations from Denise Hanrahan
the province is auditor or general regarding personal care homes.

(05:12):
There were significant findings though the inappropriate administration of medicine.
One person's dead. I mean, that's all we should have
to know on that front. Allegations of verbal sexual abuse,
I mean, this can't go on. Feces on the wall,
non compliance issues that sometimes go unaddressed. And this is
not coming down hard on the Personal Care Association itself

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because they want these changes. They want the operational standards
to be updated. They are as old as two thousand
and seven. Apparently there's some draft of an updated operational
standards on somebody's desk in the Confederation building. But let's
get some attention to that. These are things that are
like everything else in the world. It's not easy, but
it's pretty fundamental. If there are inspections done and issues

(05:55):
of non compliance are found or identified, let's publicly report them,
because you know full well with public reporting that would
put some of the heat and the owners on the
personal care home operator owner operator to attend to it,
and then it would be certainly a shot in their
arm in a positive fashion when they can say on
the public disclosure that this non compliance issue was identified

(06:16):
and we've addressed it and now it's fixed, it's solved.
I think those things can indeed be done. When we
hear the Auditor General report down whatever, it's always the
same song and dance. The government say, we understand and
accept the recommendations, but sometimes they go unattended to. So
let's put some pressure onund to see some of those
things change. What do you think? So on the other

(06:37):
end of the spectrum here youth or young adults, this
is predictable. So we've got some the latest stats coming
from Equal Facts talking about the debt load that folks
from eighteen to thirty six have and then delinquency rates.
Delinquency rates showed a year over year twenty percent jump
for consumers aged eighteen to six or thirty six are

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some of those pop culture phrases out there, and one
of the ones is doom spending. It's a pretty tricky thing,
so you just think about it. If you sit down
and say, what play a game of cards, and if
you're using poker chips, it's easy to put a blue
chip in, but it's a little bit more difficult. It
requires a bit more thought if you're putting a twenty
dollars billion. Same thing goes when you preload your phone
with your credit card number. How many times have we all,

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I don't do much in the wave of online shopping personally,
I know my family does. But how many times have
we scrolled see something that we possibly need and buy it,
or see something that we want and buy it, and
that lack of restraint. Here's one of the quotes coming
from the author of this particular report and this is
a license in Soolvacy Trustees, Senior vice president of BDO,

(07:44):
Sarah Morrison, and this really does hit it for me.
If you already have your credit card preloaded and saved
on your phone, it's just so easy to click buy.
But if you don't have it in your phone and
you have to physically get up, go get a card,
punch in the numbers. You know, like, if you need
the item, you're going to do that. If you don't
actually need the item, it's just kind of a whimp.
You're probably not going to go through that effort. That

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makes a lot of sense to me when things are
just so fundamentally easy buy click it, put it in
my card, buy done, done. Deal here comes down on
the pool on the porch the next day from Amazon
or whatever the case may be. But if you have
to go through that additional effort and the time it
takes to do it, maybe that opportunity to give it
a second thought so that we can all display that
bit of restraint. And I'm not pretending that I'm all

(08:28):
that great with money. Sometimes I'm a little bit out
of control and I wish I wasn't. But even just
not preloading your credit card into your phone might save
you that additional credit card bill at the end of
the month. That reflects something that you really didn't need
but you just kind of want it. So the delicuency
rates of twenty percent year over a year, WHOA, I
guess that also conclude some of the things that we

(08:49):
teach in school and through high school. You know, financial
literacy is probably pretty important.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Now.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Of course, there's plenty of teenagers out there who may
even work through this or throughout the course of the year,
but when the parents and caregivers are taking care of
your bills for the most part, financial literacy sometimes those
lessons are earned their hard way, and when you get
off on the wrong foot with your credit as a
young adult, it kind of hangs over your head for

(09:16):
quite a long time. So financial literacy maybe, just maybe
that's more attention to it, as was recommended in the
Education Accord. And on that front, back of Canada scheduled
to make some sort of announcement on the benchmark interest
rate currently stands at two point five percent. It looks
like there's another cut coming. The Canadian economy is weakening.
Inflation ticked up all the same to two point four percent,

(09:38):
up from one point nine. But the economists out there
who chime in on this, the consensus is pretty clear
that people are anticipating, i know, the rate cut today.
But again, if we're talking about credit card debt, that
doesn't matter. Credit card companies, they don't care what the
benchmark interest right insofar as relationship with their consumers or
their customers. So there you go. You call here this

(10:00):
morning from Robstrong, veteran of the oil and gas industry.
The CNLPP is back out there with their land sales.
So there's one bid that has nineteen parcels a total
over four million hectors, some of which have already previously
been offered. There's another that consists of seventeen parcels with
just about four million hectors as well. All Right, the
last couple of years have been deadly silent, no bids

(10:24):
at all. It's not that long ago where the CNLPB
land sales set a record for the number of the
amount of money bid in full and a record for
individual parcels. So that brought eight new players into the
oil industry here. So we'll see what this comes with
here today. And people, I think there's some confusion as
to what the land sale bids actually mean. So the

(10:46):
floor is you have to bid at least ten million
dollars and that number reflects the amount of money that
you pledge to spend on exploration, and there's some key
targets and key dates insofar as what you're supposed to
do with that money. So the sole criteria for selecting
Winny bid will be the total amount of money the
bidder commits to spend on exploration in that parcel during
period one. Period one is the first is the first

(11:07):
six years of the nine year license. So we'll see
what the scene LOWPV land sales brings this go around,
because there hasn't been anything zero to speak of in
the last couple of years all right, does not include
any parcels in the Jean Dark Basin, which is interesting.
The Flemish Pass is highly coveted and that's the home
of the Beta Noord project, which is not just one well,
I think it as many as seven. And the Gen

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Dreark Basin is adjacent to the Flemish Pass. Lots of
optimism about what some of the seismic work has reflected
out there. But none of the parcels are in the
Gen Dark Basin, which I thought was interesting. But of
course it comes with that outsider two hundred mile economic
protective zone, which is part of the stumble here. I
would suggest for Equinor and Beta Noord's that Article eighty

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two at the United Nations, when someone's gonna have to
pay royalties into the UN to go to developing countries
to the tune of one hundreds of millions of dollars.
So we'll see what Rob Strong thinks about that here
this morning. All right, let's keep going. So this was
always likely going to be the case, but the Inunation
has voted. Pardon me, the inunation compensation package set a

(12:10):
lot of court with Hydroklebeck is going back to court.
All right, So they didn't heat hit the required threshold
of the percentage of people to turn out the vote.
Peter Panaschwe says, they came up about ten votes short,
incheg so back there go. There was apparently lots of
aggressive campaigning on either side of this up in regards

(12:32):
to the intunation, you know, people just talked about eighty
seven million dollars which did not include a real careful
consideration of three percent of dividends at the Upper Church.
Well dadds up to a couple of billion dollars, so
it wasn't just the eighty seven million. But back there
are going to court, so that will be a long
time before that's resolved, you would think. And on that front,

(12:53):
you know, me, let's talk about that Upper Churchill Memorandum
of understanding, and on that front, so Liberal leader John Hogan,
who's going to stay on his keen worry here, as
he puts, it is about how the PCs are going
to handle the MoU now that they get sworn in
today and people realize and understand that governing is difficult.

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Being into the opposition pinches is tricky enough, campaigning is tricky,
Governing is hard. So with all the promises made and
the pledgus to spend on a variety of different areas,
and yes, how the Tories are going to proceed with
the MoU, because we've heard it's always been the same,
is that it's going to be paused and there's going
to be independent review and then there's going to be
a referendum or told. But it will be curious to

(13:37):
see the timeliness for how all these things unfold. And
if you want to take it on, we can do it.
And I still remain confused why so many people are
so bullish on using any additional power generated on the
Churchill River for AI data centers. But anyway, your opinion
is welcome here on the show. On that front, I'll
keep beating this drum because I think it's worthwhile. Is

(13:59):
AI in certain applications like in healthcare and an industry,
and in the tech sector and for innovation, it's obviously
extremely helpful. The task that it can perform in minutes
compared to weeks or months is remarkable. But for us
everyday citizens, it's a problem already and it's only going
to get worse. Remember, there's a core case that's ongoing

(14:20):
right now where in conversation with one of these large
language models like chatchipt, a young person back and forth
going on for weeks. Eventually the large language model, the
chat GPT, encouraged the child to die by suicide. I mean,
it's extraordinary. There's a story out there today where Tesla's

(14:44):
Grock Chat GPT large language model is apparently not being
installed in new cars to be sold here in the country,
which I was completely unaware of. But here there, and
this has not been confirmed outside of the person who
brought forth The Toronto based mother, former journalist and broadcaster,
says that the youngster, the young fella, the son was
in the back seat and going back and forth with

(15:06):
groc and asking who's the best soccer player? Ronaldo Christiano
Ronaldo Earleonel Messi and the chatbot came back and said
Ronaldo was a better soccer player. Pretty innocent conversation, but
eventually through the back and the forth, this is where
apparently this is what was said. The chat pot then
sent to my son, why don't you send me some nudes? Unprovoked?

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And of course we'll hear from Tesla and Musk and
Groc and say that's not the case. But there's extensive
number of stories out there where all of a sudden,
very fundamental interactions with these large language models have ended
up in really bizarre dark corners. Imagine the twelve year
old in the backseat talk about soccer and all of
a sudden, why don't you send me some nudes? No,

(15:51):
I don't know how much racity do the is of
the story, but that one court case is very very real.
They've pretty much acknowledged at CHATCHPT that some of the
algorithm may indeed be flawed. So when we talk about
the deep fakes and the misinformation and the disinformation, there's
a long way between that and talking about nudes with children.
Long way between that and talking about suicide, suicidal ideations

(16:16):
and tips for how to do it. Best and to
hide it from your parents. I mean, anyway you want
to talk about it, we can do it, all right.
What is this? So we know now that the federal
governments under Prime Minister Currenity has established three additional special
operating agencies. It's not a new thing. It used to
be something that was really quite common in years past.

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So how does it actually work? Good question? So they've
got three new of these, SOA's build Canada Homes, the
Defense Investment Agency and the Major Project's Office. There's been
a bunch of other ones over the years, talking about
Heritage and Translation and the Department of Measurement and the
Canadian Coast Guard. The problem here is whether not they're

(17:00):
going to be effective is an excellent question, but how
they work is an even better one. At this moment
in time, there's little to zero details, and it's all
being kept publicly held from the public. It's held in secrecy.
Some of the things regarding the Privy Council and the
ability for these agencies to be coy. All right, but
we cannot have yet another example of what people might

(17:23):
refer to as one more time of bloating the bureaucracy
to not even know how it works. I mean, if
Bill Canada Homes is going to address the housing question
in this country, wouldn't it be nice to know how
it works. If we're talking about domestic procurement insofar as
defense in the pathway to five percent of GDP, that's
around one hundred and fifty billion dollars per year, it'd
probably be pretty nice to know how it works. The

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Major Project's office to streamline or at a fast track
these shovel REGEC projects that are the best interest of
the country, be nice to know how it works. But
we can't get any details, so that's not good enough.
So if you want to take that on or anything else,
we can do it. One. There's people of very distinctive
perspectives as it pertains to Doug Ford's decision to spend

(18:07):
seventy five million dollars for an anti tariff ad using
Ronald Reagan's own words to be broadcast in the United
States and even during things like the World Series Games,
it's not been pulled. So there's all sorts of questions
being asked as to whether or not the Prime Minister
saw the ad, approve the ad before it was popped
on to American television sets, and we can take that
on if you're sown client. But it is obviously ruffled feathers,

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to say the very least a couple of interesting things here.
So apparently there was a the Canadian American Business Council
stated the relationship event held at the National Gallery of
Canada this week. It's being reported by many folks now
in the past cabinet ministers, diplomats, business leaders, speeches from
both sides. This year just one scripted speech from Canada's

(18:52):
ambassador to the United States, a Ladyan Kirsten Hillman. But
what's being reported by several witnesses is that US Ambassador Hawkstra,
who has a pretty tagard past as a diplomat to
begin with, but apparently he launched into what's being called
an expletive laden tirade at a fellow named David Patterson,
Ontario's trade representative. So it has struck a cord in

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the United States. In addition to that, you know, when
we're told all these tariffs are based on national security,
which is nonsense. When the reaction from the White House
to these anti tariff ads was to pile another ten
percent onto Canadian exports into the United States, which was
simply a temper tantrum. So the Supreme Court is going
to hear arguments next week about whether or not these

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tariffs are constitutional. So when we have a clear example
of it wasn't national security, it was furity or anger
that just resulted in an additional ten percent tariff. So
that kind of blows a hole in the national security issue,
doesn't it. All Right, we're on Twitter or visimo polone.
You can follow us there. Email addresses open on AFOCM dot.

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When we come back, let's have a great show that
can only happen if you're in the queue to talk
about whatever's on your mind. Don't away. Welcome back to
the program, and let's begin this morning on line number three.
Say good one to one guys. Advocate Rob Strong.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Rob, you're on the air, Hi, Patty, good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Good morning to you as well. Welcome to the show.
Go Blue Jays, Go boy, Well boy, it's so exciting.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
None of us are getting any sleep.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I'm running on vapors there. I really truly am, But
I can take it. That's it. If you stay up
with the boys, you got to get up, go to
work with the men.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Patty, I should be interviewing you rather than you interviewing
me this morning, because you've done a good job of
giving everybody a heads up in this land sale, and
I think you, like the rest of us, are very
curious as to what's going to happen, what's the results?
Are people going to bid? And of course we don't
know this, We don't know how oil companies think. I'm

(20:54):
the optimist in the world, and I think that oil
companies will probably look at the Kearney government is being
much more favorable, much more positive towards offshore development. You
might note in some of his recent statements he talks
about not only lgy but conventional oil and gas, and
of course that's what we have, and you from then,

(21:15):
we have conventional oil and gas, nothing, nothing exotic or
nothing unusual. And of course the big issue is this
whole of mission cap business. As your listeners know, certainly
you would know that Canada under the previous government, mister
Trudeau and mister Gibou and mister Wilkinson Wilkins or Wilkinson

(21:39):
talked about imposing an emissions cap on all oil and
gas developments. Looking at some I thinks about a thirty
five percent reduction in the amount of greenhouse gases that
platforms produce by twenty thirty five. And I think the
industry has said, we're going to work towards that, towards

(21:59):
that goal, but we can't make it by twenty thirty five.
We can make it by twenty fifty. And how do
they plan to achieve that? Well, if you look at
what we've done to date and on the Hebron Field
Lobster New Flint, I think it's a thirty percent reduction
in the amount of greenhouse gases or admissions that we've

(22:21):
put out that Hebron has achieved. They've introduced some interesting
new technology and managing their gas more efficiently and doing
less flaring and so on. So they've reduced by thirty
percent their admissions in the last couple of years, and
Hibernie has done the same. Hibernie has reduced about that

(22:43):
figure I think was twenty nine percent, and part of
that is they've modified their cranes. It used to be
diesel cranes are now electrical cranes. So my point being
is that the industry is very much aware of the
need to reduce greenhouse gases or admissions working on it,
but by imposing a cap the federal government is basically

(23:04):
going to affect our production capability. And what what what?
What people don't realize is that you know, New Zealand's
offshore represents one one point two percent of the oil
and gas industry missions in Canada. So I think we're
looking at and perhapsist is a job for a new minister,
whoever he or she might be. Actually I've got a

(23:27):
list of things for he or she and I'll get
into in a minute, but this is one thing that
we need that we need federal government attention to try
to come up with a sensible way of reducing gas
admissions greenhouse gas admissions, call it what you want, but
reducing them in a responsible way it doesn't affect production.

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So maybe if we had a little more certainty about
about that policy, we might see more interest in the
in her offshore. But I'm still convinced, and call me,
call me the optimist. I mean, forty years in this business,
so you have to be an optimist. I've been up
and down like yo yo, for many You've ond many projects,
but I think you might see some activities, certainly in

(24:10):
the in the there's two zone two two areas that
you talked about the southern Labrador basin and the eastern
Newfoundland basin. And I've got my fingers crossed because we
know the reserves are out there. I think the as
I say, the industry, the oil and gas operators can
get some degree of certainty, I think, and I think

(24:31):
they'll get that. Currently seems to be pro development. Uh.
And if he's leaning towards Newfoundland, it's it's not necessarily
the the the projects of national interest, but certainly it's
it's it's he's giving a good indication that he's pro development.
So I've got my fingers and my toes crossed.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
The emissions cap is politically treacherous because we can talk
about what it means. This province is offshore, which is
vastly there from when we talk of missions for say,
for instance, in Albertas oil science. So can you imagine
trying to come up with a national strategy that would
suit all It's impossible. Will there be some sort of
regional specific emissions caps that would be different targets with

(25:13):
different target dates. I mean it can be done. Ecuanor
included one hundred and thirty five mitigating measures in their
proposal for Beta NORD, which eventually got green lit by
all people Stephen Giebo. So there's the possibility out there.
Quick question about this offering from the CNLPB because the
emissions cap. I think we're going to hear more about
that in the very near future. What's interesting here in

(25:34):
the two bids that are partly the two calls for
bids is there's very little new, very little in the
first one. These have all been previously offered. In the
second one with seventeen parcels, all of them have been offered,
with the exception of eight, So not a whole lot
of new context out there for the bids. What do
you make of that?

Speaker 4 (25:51):
But I think there's been proud I mean, I know
there's been some additional sizemic done. So maybe the size
makers turned up more reserve, more potential reserve. And again
I reflect back to my earlier comment about the attitude
in autow On I was changed totally. It's a it's
a can do attitude rather than the can't do. So
I hopefully that's going to affect people. And again, you know,

(26:14):
and you've been on a piece of acreage, you you
you've been on it. You work, you spend usure commitment,
but you have five years in which to to to
drill your first well, and then you can sit on
it for a number of years thereafter. So when oil
company and it's I hate say this, but it's only
ten million dollar minimum bid and the context of officer

(26:36):
drilling ten million dollars is not a lot of money.
I mean an exploratory well. For instance, a normal exploratory
well off it's about one hundred million dollars as well.
So maybe oilcomanies i'll have have the fortitude or the
strengths or the financial capabilities to say, hey, let's put
in a bid and if it changes, if we got

(27:01):
to back away, well back away. And that's not uncommon
for overcompanies. And I go back to a company called
BHP who bid seven hundred million dollars, work expends your
commitment on a block of acreage and guess what they
walked away and they surrender twenty five percent of it.
So if you've mid ten million dollars and you get

(27:23):
the rights of the acreage and you walk away, you're
out two and a half million dollars, which, as I say,
this sounds obnoxious for not a lot of money. In
the context of one hundred million dollars per well, So
as I say, fingers are crossed certainly, but I think
it's something that the new minister, whoever he or she is,
has got to immediately address with auto oil because we

(27:46):
know the reserves are out there. All called Jim Keating
and his group Down and Down a Co done a
wonderful job of realizing and interpreting the seismic and we
know the oil is out there. It's just that we
we got to find a way to get it out.
By removing or reducing the emission camp expectations is one
way we can do that well.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
And the government did change some of the deposit refund
rules as well. So inside the initial deposit twenty five percent,
what that referred to as as a security deposit, if
you live up to that period one drill, then you
can get it all back. And even if you just
go outside of the nine years, they have rentals and
drilling deposits, what have you. So the oil companies can

(28:26):
continue to hold if they pay those rental refunds are
the rental fees, and then they get a refund up
two hundred percent. So it's been changed dramatically in favor
of the old companies with how they can consider these
calls for bids. Rob, how about this. I want to
put you on hold for a second because I do
want a couple more questions about the new minister yet
to be named and the Jean dract basin. How's that?

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Great, let's do that, okay, robs On hol let's take
a break. Welcome back in the show. To the show.
Let's rejoin Rob Strong and three. Rob, You're back on
the air, Hi, Betty?

Speaker 5 (28:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Where will we finished off talking about the At least
I find hisself talking about the new Minister of Energy
or a Minister of Iet Industry, Energy and Technology, whether
or not the new government will call it that, but
it's what we call the parent of Energy. And of
course was Andrew Parson's job as minister until he resigned

(29:19):
and then Steve Crocker took it over for the short term.
So now we're going to have a new minister, and
in the event that he might be listening and pay
some attention to what I have to say, besides going
to work on the emissions cap, I think he's got
to come out and try to resolve this apparent and
I say a parent because it came up during the election,

(29:42):
this apparent disagreement or potential disagreement on the Beta Nord
project visa via the top sides. The Wakem government indicated
their support for trades and l who were pushing for
I think seventy five percent of top sides in Newfoundland
and from what we've heard was from Equinor to date,

(30:05):
and I think Torre Losa, who's the country manager, spoke
at a conference a couple of weeks ago and basically
indicated that Equinor wasn't interested in doing any top side
fabrication in Newfeland. So that's got to be resolved because
we definitely need the Beta Nord project and so that's
that's something that I didn't hear or SEEMA should tackle.

(30:26):
I'm assuming it might be Lloyd Parrott, who was the
opposition critic for Energy and at least he has a
good understanding of the industry and the project. But that's
number two on my list for the new minister. Number
three on my list is to the new minister for
a Newfoundland and use the expression to get off our

(30:48):
ursus and start doing something about the submarine potential. As
many people know the Canadian governments committed to buy how
many of the petties at fourteen? At sixteen, I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
There was a float that depends on who they buy from.
The South Korean pitches for fourteen Victoria class submarines, right.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
And the Germans and anyway. There will be a requirement
for long term servicing of those submarines. And I'm told
I can't get a definitive defensum, and I'm told there
could be up to fifteen hundred permanent jobs. These are
not these are not just construction jobs. These are jobs
to support the operation. And I'm assuming that half half

(31:33):
the subs to go the west coast Vancouver and half
ago the East coast. I read the Halifax paper regularly,
and I have a lot of friends still in norvaest coast,
and they are aggressively pushing for that center, that service center,
to be in Halifax. I don't think we in New
flant are pushing hard enough to see that it goes

(31:55):
into bull Arm. Bull Arm is an ideal site. It's
deep water, it's protect god, it's got an existing fabrication hall.
We have a willing workforce. But I don't see I
have not seen. Perhaps it was because you know, we
were in an election, we didn't have a minister. But boy,
we can't sit on our horses and hope that someone's

(32:15):
going to knock on her door. Sales marketing people go
and they knock on doors. They don't wait for people
to knock on their doors. So I strongly suggest recommend
that this new minister immediately put together a team and
not just not government people. Government people for good people administration,

(32:35):
but they're not great marketing people. So there should be
a comprehensive team of labor, of business and government that
puts together a comprehensive plan and aggressively markets Newfoundland because
these jobs go on for thirty years. So that's my third,
my third set of my third instructions the manager. My
fourth is the I think the government, the previous government

(33:00):
to side ninety million dollars for to to assist with expiration,
and I think that's still sitting in an account somewhere.
At least the obligation is there. So I think the
minister has to start doing something because we need it.
We need expiration, we need we need to track, we
we need another depart we need we need another field
to find. Yes, we'll have some subsea tie backs Hibernians

(33:23):
and Hebrons and west Waite Rose, but we need another
project and wouldn't it be nice if we got paida
nord and another project, or at least found another thing.
So there they're my four sort of asking me. My
four instructions to the minister this morning is to once
he's appointed here she is appointed, to get going. And

(33:45):
funny the topic you touched upon and it's it's it's
the elephant in the room is the United Nations law
to see commitment whereby any development officer, Canada officer or
two hundred mile limit could be subject up to seven percent.
So there's my blurb for the morning, mister Daily.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I appreciated very quick reaction to the bull arm thoughts.
You know, in addition to government putting together some sort
of team here, I have a lot of confidence in
that happening. And why I say that is because when
a private sector company takes over operations, they're driven by activity,
they're driven by jobs, they're driven by profit, and nothing
like a contract with the government to Candada, especially a
defense contract. So I'd say Narl is going to actually

(34:27):
drive that bus I'm pretty confident in that I've heard
some rumbles out there about their plans, and if it
doesn't include government contracts, then I mean they'd be silly,
and we know they're not a silly company. They're a
very aggressive company. So I think that's probably coming very
quick before I let you go, no possion one quickly
for you.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
By the way, next Monday, Equinor is having a seminar
all data seminar. In the morning session they're going to
have presentations from Equinor themselves, b WL, who is the
contractor for the ship, for the FBSO and SUBSE integrated
on lines on the subse, and in the afternoon they're
offering the business community or anybody. I guess, but I

(35:07):
think I get it as a member of Energy NL.
But an opportunity to sit down face to face and
talk to people, so there should be some good news.
There still be news coming out of that. I hope
it's good news.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Sorry to interrupted, No, that's fine. That's a specific issue.
Do you think that's the reason why there's no parcels
in the Jean Dark Basin, which is adjacent to the
Flemish Pass, which obviously is the home for de Beta
or discovery. Is it about that? Arc Lady too kind
of references that in the CNLPB news release. But when
the Gen Dark basin looks pretty potentially lucrative but no
parcels there, what do you think?

Speaker 4 (35:39):
Good question? I think the SELBB tries to spread it around.
I think they're probably happy with the amount of activity
in the Gen Derek basin. We can still see subseed
tiebacks that don't have to be subject to a bid.
You know, him earning a southern extension which has done
five or six years ago, added two hundred million burrows

(35:59):
to Ernie, and now West white Rose is adding on another.
Wondering whatever it is. And I think some sooner or
later we're going to see a subsea tie back to Hebron,
because once you have the infrastructure in place, it's easy
to add one hundred million burrows or two hundred million
burrows because your capital, your capital expendager is made and

(36:22):
the cost of the subseed tie back is is marginal
versus a major capitalist. So maybe the philosophy is that
in the Gen Derek base and let the existing operators
expand their production by doing subseed tie backs. And let's
look elsewhere for in other bases. But that's you know that.
That's my guess.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
It's probably very accurated guests. Rob always appreciate the time.
Enjoy the rest of your day.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
YouTube and good luck to the jay Is tonight.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Thanks for YouTube, buddy, Yeah jays. Oh sorry those quit
quick and people say boy might not following the hockey
ploconam so Alex look scored last night though Mercer scored
last night. Haves look good, Alex looks grect. There you go,
let's take a break downn't you stay right there? She
wants to talk about driver safety. All you have to
do is drive around this neck of the woods to
realize that that's not front of mind from any of
the motoring public. And Christina wants talk about a really

(37:11):
popular sporting event that's been canceled. Why Christina, let us
know right after this, don't go away, welcome back to
the show. Let's go to let number one. Donna.

Speaker 6 (37:18):
You're on the air, Hi, Patty, and you hear me
as well?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I can hear you.

Speaker 6 (37:22):
Okay, Oh yeah, I'm out walking my dog. The reason
why I'm calling is because there's three things. Number one
of safety. Obviously, I'm a school bus driver. Everyone knows
I'm a school bus driver. I noticed on portbal Cove
Road a few times there is a lineup of buses

(37:45):
that are leaving Gonzaga in the late afternoon to return
your students home. And one of the buses will stop
just past the fire hall. He's got all these lights on.
The kids literally had to walk across four lanes to
get to where the fire hallows, and there's people passage

(38:10):
driving past. I actually blared my horn at one driver.

Speaker 7 (38:19):
And she was.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
Confused, you know, she was like she put her hands up,
like she didn't know what she was supposed to do.
And the thing is, when you've got four lights going
and a stops by now and everything behind them is stop,
you stop. You know that's common sense. But apparently this

(38:42):
day May's common sense is not coming. But even this morning,
I've seen it, you know, just traffics and blown by,
not a care in the world, totally distracted, not focusing
on the buses and the kids as per usual. And
you know it's getting old. Also, I've seen drivers this morning,

(39:05):
but didn't bother be fogging the windshields. So they're dogging
around and they get this room Toddy Strip on the
bottom with their heater't stick it in their eyeballs on
the windshield, trying to see, and it's dark and there's
kids out there, you know, and I'm like, okay, that's
another one. Then a few days ago, I'm on Portugal

(39:31):
cop road and I'm getting ready to go back to
my bus depot.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
There's a light.

Speaker 6 (39:38):
The person has them right away. I don't have their
right away. He stops at a traffic light, assuming I'm
just going to go on through, you know, And I
think there's I don't understand what is happening with complete
disregards for kids, like human life and traffic. There's no

(40:05):
one out there monitoring it, you know, like people are
doing this every day. Nobody. There's no one being pulled over, nothing,
And I just don't understand it. What are your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I don't understand a lot of what I see when
I drive around this city and on the northeast Avalon.
Hard to know what to say for starters. I don't
know how much traffic enforcement is out there on the
streets on a day today basis. You know, you think
about some of the stats we've seen about the types
of crimes and the prevalence of crime, the severity of
crime I wonder about that's meant through traffic enforcement. There's

(40:41):
one question I would have. But when I see, like
just about every single day, when I leave here and
I'm at the light to turn left on the Kelsey
Drive to make my way home, you can just about
bet your bottom dollar that every single time I'm there,
someone's going to run a red light, Like it happens
every single day. I just don't get it. And you know,
even when we talk distract the driving and what that

(41:02):
means for potential serious collisions. Again, walk from my place
over to Kent's Pond and I do the same social
experience experiment every now and then. I'm going to guess
twenty percent of the people that drove by when I
looked in the windshield, their eyes were down on their
phone driving down a downland drive in the middle of
the day. So I don't know why there's not much
more in the way of punishing from the last stought

(41:23):
for me is with this pile of project for cameras
on buses. I think it would be very helpful if
and when we catch people passing a stop bus but
the lights flashing and the stop signs deployed, Let's give
them the ticket, and let's put it in the news
so that we can just try to subconsciously convince people
that you can't do it, you shouldn't do it, and
if we catch it, it's fifteen hour bucks. So those

(41:44):
are my three thoughts on traffic and driver safety this morning.
I'll give you the floor for the fine words.

Speaker 6 (41:51):
Yeah, and the way it is with me, if you're
going to pass the boss with the light sign, you're
going to hear mark horn and it's like, it's ridiculous.
I don't know if it's even worth a person's time
to submit a ticket or like submit information to the RNC,
because by the time the court date comes up, it's

(42:11):
probably June's alive August and you're not getting paid for this.
This is your time that you have to go to
court and you know, talk to the judge or whatever
regarding the ticket. Is what this person did. This is
on your your time, not on anybody else's right. So
you know, you know people out there like be safe,

(42:33):
be conscientious. You know, if you've got to go to
work and you're late, leave early, you know, like, don't
be a reason to hurt somebody or get in an
accident because not like we've never seen those before. And
just be courteous to everybody. It's not hard, it's free,
you know.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
So that's my seal for they fair enough, I appreciate
your time.

Speaker 6 (42:57):
Thank you, have a great tay Patty all the best, Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Bye bye? Yeah. I mean being kind curtious doesn't cost anything.
And like driving around town, you can be in a
hurry and driving aggressively. You're getting over in a hurry period.
I'll see it at the next red light. Let's keep going.
Line number two, Christina, you're on the air.

Speaker 7 (43:18):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
How are you okay this morning? How about you?

Speaker 3 (43:21):
I'm okay, a little frustrated to say the least.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
So basically, we have this tournament that we have every
single year. It's been happening since the eighties.

Speaker 8 (43:32):
Used to be referred to as the.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Ganner Invitational and has since been called Valdi Central. It's
a tournament that our kids in Central, not only in Ganner,
but all around. I really look forward to attending because
it's one that their family members are able to watch
and see them perform obviously their best on their home
courts and stuff. And unfortunately, as soon as the schedule

(43:57):
was released, a few parents from kids outside of the
Central region complaining to the NLVA executive director, and instead
of him advising them that it's invitational, as in, you're
not required to attend and if you guys don't want
to attend, you're more than welcome to back out, instead
of doing that, he decided to take matter into his

(44:17):
hands and cancel the.

Speaker 7 (44:18):
Entire tournament for all of our senior teams. It's very unfortunate.

Speaker 8 (44:23):
It's not fair.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Our teams travel multiple times a year, every single year
to Saint John's. We travel home late at night. Sometimes
games finish eight nine o'clock at night. In Saint John's,
we travel through winter storms, we travel through rainstorms, and
all because a couple parents kicked up a bit of
a foss i guess and didn't want to travel to
Glovertown while staying in Gander, the whole tournament is canceled

(44:48):
for our seniors and it's just extremely unfair. Some of
these kids, this is going to be their last tournament
that they get to play in this region. Some kids
located outside of Ganders, this is the only tournament they
get to travel to because their teams can't afford to
go to Saint John's, they can't afford to go to
Corner Brook, so they look forward to this and basically
it shows to me that the NLBA does not support

(45:10):
volleyball outside of the avalone.

Speaker 8 (45:13):
It's unfortunate, but I don't know what other answer to be.

Speaker 9 (45:16):
The reasoning fair.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Enough, and I mean volley Fest. People don't realize how
big volleyball is. It's kind of an under the radar support,
but for girls, young girls in Canada, it's the most
popular minor sport, which is fascinating. Member. Look, I've been
to Valley Central many times and we have welcome teams
from Central to Volleyfests and other tournaments in Saint John's
countless times. You know, a few things have changed from

(45:37):
when I was a kid, which is a long time ago.
But the vast majority of the time that we ever
went anywhere we went in a bus, which kind of
changed the whole you know, the consideration of travel. But
now with every family maybe doubling up with some of
the players in Warren vehicle or what have you, then
we leave it up to the parents as opposed to
the team makes the decision or the school makes the decision,
they hire a bus and off you go.

Speaker 8 (45:59):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
And I mean, like us being located in Central, we
often travel, say to hair baper tournaments. We often often
travel to Grandfalls, we often travel to Global Town.

Speaker 9 (46:09):
It's nothing out of the norm for us.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Sometimes it's late at night travel. It's something that we
accept when it's part of traveling on the team.

Speaker 7 (46:16):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
So it's just unfortunate that the answer was just to
cancel it all of the seniors instead of just advising
them like, hey, if your team can't make it, that's okay,
Like we can still have this tournament with the with
the local teams that are here. I mean, these kids,
this is some of the last tournaments they'll ever play in.
And to me, I just I don't understand the reasoning.
It's it's definitely going to create.

Speaker 8 (46:37):
A big divide. We have a lot of.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Very talented athletes in Central. Some of the top players
on the island are located in Central, and it's just
unfortunate that they that they weren't being considered when that
decision came out.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah, I mean, I feel terrible for the young athletes,
especially those who were aging out of the opportunity to
play in these types of tournaments. Your summary point about
it's an invitational is a good one. Like if a
team doesn't want to come, okay, maybe next year. But
for the teams that do want to participate, let's just proceed. Look,
I don't know what the rationale is to not just
have a tournament, even if it's short a team or

(47:14):
two from whether it's Saint John's or Cornerbrook or whatever
the case may be.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, exactly, And like that's all we're saying. And you know,
on Facebook right now there's a bunch of teams that's saying, hey,
we were on a wait list, Like if they can't
make it, we'll come. So I mean, there's no reasoning
other than they didn't want to deal with the complaints
from a few parents, and they just accepted that.

Speaker 9 (47:34):
You know what, the easiest thing is just to cancel it.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Last year, when we were traveling in for provincials, I mean,
it was a bloody snowstorm.

Speaker 8 (47:40):
We had to travel.

Speaker 9 (47:41):
Through a snowstorm to get there.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
But again, when we contracted the NLVA, they said, well,
we're not canceling because the weather's okay in here. So
if you make it, you make it, and if you don't,
you don't.

Speaker 8 (47:50):
Again, we weren't upset with that.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
We were like, okay, like this is our decision. Do
we want to bring our kids out there? And we
made that decision to do so.

Speaker 8 (47:57):
So, I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Don't understand why it's a double sided sword. Those people
from outside of the region of the central they get
to I guess control the NLBA and our opinions don't matter,
and it's just not fair.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
I've been involved with minernsports for a long time as
the parents, as a coach, as an executive, and parental
complaining really goes a long way to ruining the experience.
And I don't know if many parents realize that the
kids hear it, and you know, for the kids to
know that maybe their mom or dad are the loudest
voices at the meeting or loudest voices in the gym
or the rink or the pitch or whatever, it kind

(48:32):
of takes some of the fun out of it. And
when parents lose sight of that, it's just a real
crying shame. I mean, I know some young athletes that
were amongst my kids' vintage, their pals they quit sports,
not because they didn't like it, because they just didn't
want to put up with the parents complaining about it
all the time, which is just so sad when you
think about it out loud. But Christina, I share your
frustration here. I wish it was different to anything else

(48:54):
you'd like to have a while we have.

Speaker 8 (48:55):
You no, thank you.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
I just wanted everyone to know kind of like this,
this frustration that's continuing, and the fact that volleyball is
a it's a province wide sport, and like I said,
we've got some very talented kids in Central it's a
crime that they're not able to showcase their talent in
front of their home. It really is moving forward that

(49:19):
they will consider these decisions a little bit more better
and take everyone into consideration, not.

Speaker 8 (49:24):
Just those from outside of the Central region.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Absolutely right, Christina, good luck, enjoy the rest of the season.
Let me know if anything changes. Thank you, will do
You're welcome bye bye. Yeah, that is frustrating, right, and again,
volleyball's huge, it really is, and there's some interesting pockets
of outstanding talented volleyball players. When Jack was coming through Clarenville,

(49:47):
Clarenville would win all the four A tournaments they had
a bunch of guys wanted to play varsity. It was
truly amazing, to be honest with you. And I mean
even in the twenty seventeen year for the Canada Games
turn there was only one Towny on the team, the
rest of them outside of town, which is awesome. I
guess all right, today might be a good day to
get on the show. Topic up to you if you're
in and around town. At seven zero nine two seven

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three five two one one elsewhere. Our total free log
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is eighty six twenty six. We are taking a break
and then we're coming back. Welcome back to the show.
Let's go to line number one. Good morning, Adam for
long you're on the air.

Speaker 10 (50:25):
Heybody, how's it going.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
That's kind you, Oh, not too bad.

Speaker 9 (50:29):
I'm just trying to get dropped down here on the
firm for the summer and try to get some fall
winter stuff in the greenhouses. I'm pulling out all my
old tomato plants and everything now, which is always a
little bit bittersweet. It's fine of my favorite crop to
be growing. So I had a great time producing them

(50:50):
all summer, and now to see them kind of finishing
up for the year. Kind of sucks a little.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Bit, Yeah, that it does. How was the season overall,
because we've heard reports from farmers, so you know, I
couldn't even get a second go at the hay and
really terrible yields, what have you? How about you?

Speaker 9 (51:07):
It was good overall? There are definitely some crops that suffered.
Like our potatoes this year were terrible. You know, the
plants kind of just got cooked and died pretty much
a month before they should have, and all of our
potatoes were really small.

Speaker 10 (51:27):
The tomatoes did great.

Speaker 9 (51:28):
A bunch of herbs that we were growing, like basil
and stuff did great. Are you know that like really
intense heat that we were getting, like thirty five degrees
and stuff. In the middle of the summer, all of
our pepper plants in one of the green houses just
like burnt up, like sun scullped on the skin for

(51:50):
probably forty to fifty peppers. I took off the plants
and just gonpost of them because they were just cooked
on the plants. And from that point on, all of
the pepper plants just kind of stalled. I guess they
went into some kind of survival mode. They didn't produce
any peppers. They didn't grow for about a month. They
just sat there, and then as soon as the temperatures

(52:11):
cooled off, they started growing and producing peppers again. So yeah,
it was just it was a really strange year for
whether I got to say.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah, and it's remarkable. You know, it depends on who
you are, where you are, what you do for a living.
For some folks, whether it be let's say you enjoy
the great outdoors or you liked playing golf, it was
a great summer if you're someone with some crops in
the ground. Not so much.

Speaker 9 (52:34):
Even for like recreational stuff. In my opinion, I don't
even like it. You know, twenty five degrees there's lots
of lots of hot for me for nice, enjoyable summer
conditions like this, thirty thirty five degrees, Like you can't
even really do much in that. It's just too hot
and uncomfortable. I mean, there was a couple of days
there were I didn't even feel comfortable letting the kids

(52:55):
go outside to play after dinner because it was just
too way too intensely hot. Yeah, Like we did good
here with our water supply, or we've got an arts
and well that supplies all the irrigation water for the
fireman stuff. And you know, I basically spent all summer
being afraid that the water was going to run out.

(53:15):
But it never did. So we did have a good
performance from our well the summer, but so everything received
like an adequate amount of water, but we still had
issues with some crops. And I blame it on just
the intensity of the heat.

Speaker 7 (53:31):
It was.

Speaker 9 (53:31):
It was just way too hot.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, no argument ary. I'm not necessarily built for extraordinary heat.
So you know, I've said this many times on the program.
People talk about when we when the topic becomes climate change,
for so many people, all the here is carbon tax
and though consequently we don't have much of a conversation
about it. But if you really want to know what's
happening with the climate, ask people living in the north,
or ask a farmer, because we hear from the farmers.

(53:56):
The issue is not about taxes on fertilizers are in
costs necessarily, it's fire and flood and drought and insects
and heat and you know the big temperature swings that
happened so quickly. So from your perspective, how should we
be thinking about this for planning into the future. You know,
we have farmers talking about the need for water, button
talk about irrigation, but if you don't have access to water,

(54:18):
then irrigations of no use to.

Speaker 9 (54:19):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think I saw the government
of Nova Scotia put a lot of emphasis on their
agriculture grant programs this year. They even actually opened it
up for a second round of applications to fall to
try to help farmers with things like season extensions, so
greenhouses and things like that. But they put a big

(54:41):
emphasis on the irrigation system and water management, and I
think that that's definitely something that the Newfoundland Department of
Agriculture should be putting a little more focus on because
you know, if this year was any indication, it's going
to be an issue that a lot of people had
the face into the future in coming years. And I

(55:01):
find a lot of you know, just the general public,
it all becomes about things like you mentioned the carbon tax,
and like the economy and politics and all that kind
of stuff. But I mean, in reality, in the big picture,
people need to stop thinking about climate change in those
those mindsets because you know, it is much bigger than politics.

(55:27):
If you look at it in reality, what is happening.
I mean, and I think you know, politicians and social
media and stuff are not helping. People need to just
try to you know, when it comes to the conversation
about climate change, just stop watching this stuff online stuff.
Forget about what your favorite politician or your favorite podcasts

(55:48):
or anybody has to say about it. You know, there's
still a lot of people out there that don't even
believe climate change is real. But I mean, just look
at your own surroundings, you know, use your own mind,
use your own experience, look at what's happening in your
local environment. I mean, there's a place here called Ratlan
Falls that's a popular swimming hole. I mean I've been

(56:09):
going there swimming my entire life, and I brought my
two kids there this summer and there was no Ratlan Falls.
It was a dry rock. The swimming hole was about
three feet deep and the waterfall was dry. Now I'm
thirty seven years old. I've been going there every summer
since I was twelve, swimming, and I have never seen that,

(56:34):
So twenty twenty five years, I've never seen that. And
that's just in my own lifetime. So I mean, if
people just look around.

Speaker 10 (56:44):
Forget it.

Speaker 9 (56:44):
Like I said, forget about what your favorite podcaster or
favorite politician has to say about it. Look at your
own experience and use your own mind. It is changing.

Speaker 10 (56:52):
There's no dispute about it.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
No, there isn't. I mean, we've heard many times over
the recent years where there's water conservation orders in place.
But when people talk about you know, we've got people
who are well into their seventies saying my well has
never run dry, but it did this year. We've got
communities that didn't have water conservation orders in place. The
reservoir was bone dry down to tor Bay, their reservoir

(57:16):
was down eight feet. Sunnyside had no water. I mean,
it becomes a frustrating topic because if all anyone hears
as carbon tax, and that conversation is not going anywhere.
It's actually the preparation in the future. So if you
ask the disaster relief fund managers about the severity and
the frequency of these big natural disasters, they'll tell you.
If you ask the insurance companies, they'll tell you. If

(57:38):
you ask the farmers, they'll tell you. If you actually
ask the old gas executives who testified under oath in
front of the Congressional Committee admitting that they had the
science in hand years ago and of course sat on it.
So anyway, I don't know why this is not a
well accepted fact of life, but that's where we are, Yeah,
not balling.

Speaker 9 (57:55):
A lot of people like latch onto you know, like
if youre, oh, we broke the rainfall record today and
the last record was in nineteen seventy something, and people
kind of latch onto that and say, see, we got
that much ran in nineteen seventy something. But it's not that,
you know, if you look at the number of records
that are broken at such a frequency lately, you know,

(58:16):
I can't remember the exact the exact record off the
top of my head, but it's something like the twenty
hottest years out of the twenty five recorded hottest years
are in the last twenty five years. So like, you know,
we are constantly breaking these records, you know, the hottest temperatures,

(58:40):
the hottest global average temperatures, the highest rainfalls. They're just
constantly being broken every year for the last ten years.
And it's just it's one thing after another.

Speaker 7 (58:51):
You know.

Speaker 9 (58:51):
It wasn't like just some anomaly back in nineteen seventy
something where we had a really hot summer or we
had a really a high amount of precipitate for any
given year. You know, it's it's it's a regular occurrence. Now,
it's every single year. Every month we're hotter, and we're
more rain and more intense storms and less rain, and
it's always something. So, I mean, you can't just latch

(59:14):
onto one piece of information that kind of solidifies what
you already believe about that topic and and just run
with that, because there's a lot more to it. And
if you don't kind of try to and I find
it really hard to with social media and the algorithms
and all that stuff. You know, the whole point of
it is that to just throw stuff at you that

(59:36):
it thinks that you already agree with. So if that's
all you're seeing, that's you know, it's kind of just
going to be an echo chamber and solidify what you
already believe. Anyway, But I kind of go out of
my way to try to look at the things that
I don't agree with and try to determine whether or
not some of that has any validity. A lot of
it is just complete, you know, one end of the

(59:58):
spectrum or the other and it's it's just unfactual nonsense
and things like that. But you've got to try to
look at the things that you don't believe and consider
whether or not there's any validity to those things, because
if you're just if you're just running down the rabbit
hole of everything that I believe already is all that

(01:00:19):
I ever hear, then what do you expect is going
to happen?

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Confirmation bias is a very very real thing, so as
hive mind, and that goes for every leaning, every ideology
just seems to be that's where we are. Adam, always
appreciate your time. Thanks for doing it perfect.

Speaker 9 (01:00:35):
Thanks Freddy, you have a good day you too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Bye bye. And Torbay. You know, I just mentioned their
reservoir way down and they're actually evaluating whether they can
pump water from a river close by into the reservoir
so that they don't have to turn off the taps
for the Torbay residents. In addition to that, what is
actually going on, I know, I don't know if the
case has been certified yet made its way into the
courts regarding the contamination the poisoning of so many wells

(01:01:00):
in Torbay with the p FAST the forever chemicals. I mean,
it seems fairly straightforward. There was a firefighting exercise conducted
at Saint John's International Airport, which is under the authority
of federal regulations. They did it. The foams that they
use that included this p FAST, these forever chemicals are
in the wells. So what's the hold up and expanding

(01:01:22):
testing and what's the hold up in Transport Canada and
the Government of Canada itself to try to do something
about that. It's through no fault of anyone in tor Bay.
It's through no fault of the Torbay Town Council. It's
strictly directly responsibility of responsibility of Transport Canada. They once
conducted the test or under their authority, pardon me. And

(01:01:42):
so if that's the end result, but you know, time
to step up and do the right thing, not to
try to just comfort people into our bay, because these
p FAST chemicals are extremely dangerous. They can cause a
variety of cancers that have been directly linked to So
if someone in Torbay who's been impacted, they would like
to give us a datus update as opposed to simply
providing some bottled water and pretending that that's a long

(01:02:04):
term solution, because it's not. That's going to break in
when we come back to the topic entirely up to you.
Don't go away. Welcome back to the show. Let's go
to line number one, Peter. You're on the air.

Speaker 11 (01:02:15):
Oh, good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
How are you today today? How about you?

Speaker 10 (01:02:19):
Beautiful day?

Speaker 11 (01:02:19):
Is there a beautiful day? I wanted to talk about
the climate disasters. I noticed this morning listening to your
show that they were very interesting. You had a conversation
with Rob Strong earlier this morning, and then a little
later you had just recently, you had a conversation with
a farmer who was talking about his lived experience with

(01:02:43):
the climate change. And I guess I have a couple
of key points, and I'll explain myself as I go.
My first point is that it's no longer climate change
or a climate crisis. It's now a climate disaster. Disaster
is here. The Titanic has hit the iceberg. We're sinking.

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My second point is that this disaster is going to
accelerate far, far faster than climate science can tell us,
or that people believe.

Speaker 8 (01:03:18):
Now.

Speaker 11 (01:03:19):
The reason that I know that I shouldn't say no,
the reason I have this opinion is that I've read
this story dozens of times before and it doesn't end well.
You see, Patty, I worked in the officer petroleum industry
for thirty five years. Most of my work related to

(01:03:40):
the prevention of major industrial disasters. So I read the
reports of a lot of major industrial disasters, and I
know a little bit about major industrial disasters, and the
climate disaster is basically a major industrial disaster on a
global scale. The same root causes, same contributing factors. It's

(01:04:03):
followed exactly the same pattern, and unfortunately, I think it's
going to follow the same trajectory. There's a sort of
an axim in risk management that once things start to
go to hell, they go to hell in a hurry.
And I think that the extreme weather that we're starting

(01:04:25):
to experience is going to accelerate far, far, far more
rapidly than climate science can tell us. You know, it's
going to accelerate in frequency, magnitude, aerial extent duration, and
you know, we don't have decades to do well. I

(01:04:46):
don't think there's anything we can do right now because
probably too much of this is baked in. But the
sooner we start to do something obviously the better. And
you know, right now, in my world, my view, in
an emergency situation, and yet we are continuing on like
everything is business as normal. So you know, we're talking

(01:05:12):
four or five years here, We're not talking decades. And again,
no offense to you or mister Strong. And I know
you guys have maybe different opinions than I do, indeed,
as do most people. But I would say the vast
majority of people, most people think I'm crazy. But you know,
talking about beta nor developments and things that are going

(01:05:34):
to happen five and ten down years down, ten to
fifteen years, twenty years down the pike, and talking about
the continued use of fossil fuels and so on, I mean,
basically that's nonsense. I'd say we have four or five
years before we have significant global consequences, probably most likely

(01:05:54):
a total meltdown of the global economy due to the
increase in severe well there. I just find it amusing.

Speaker 10 (01:06:03):
And again, don't get me wrong, I'm not.

Speaker 11 (01:06:05):
Trying to criticize anybody, but I find it really strange
that you could have a conversation with Rob, who I've
met over the years in the oil fielder is great guy,
by the way, and you know, talk about to continue
how wonderful it is to develop all these fossil fuels,
and then a few minutes later we have a conversation
with a farmer who kind of agrees with me, that says, look,

(01:06:27):
this is getting terrible.

Speaker 12 (01:06:29):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:06:30):
The answer is not to provide extra aid to farmers.
The answer is to start addressing the root cause of
the problem. Have I been your ear enough, Patty?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
You have? Look, I mean, for starters, the topics are
driven by the callers. I don't choose to bring one
topic for it or another. If a caller cause wants
to talk about it, then we talk about it. So
few thoughts. The issue I don't disagree with you at all.
The issue will be when you talk about global consult

(01:07:00):
option that will drive the bus here in so far
as how long into the future, whether it be peak
oil now or peak oil in twenty thirty, like, I
don't know, nobody does. People gets at it all the time.
So consumption will drive that particular bus, and that does
have some role inside of a government. But we also
have to remember there are plenty of countries on the
planet that will have no careful concern for anything regarding

(01:07:22):
climate and so consequently, the oil will continue to pump
if there's global consumption that backs it up in so
far as their business model. Second thought comes to me,
and this I think about all the time, is when
people talk about climate change and you know, we missed
the one point five degree target this year and what
that means into the future, what people will inevitably say
to me is, hey, I've heard this climate doomerism for

(01:07:46):
decades and some of the predictions have not happened. Now,
not to say that that's a realistic arragment to make,
but when it gets into people's psyches is that look,
I heard this in the seventies and I was told
that by the nineties we'd be cooked, and here we
are in twenty twenty five. Based on some of that
historical context and some of the way the climate has
been discussed. If that has something that people leaning on,

(01:08:06):
it's going to be hard to change that mind because
they say, well, you told me nineteen seventy I was done,
and now here we are, you know, fifty five years later.
So what are your thoughts on that? Because I think
it's much akin to if you talk climate change and
your initial thought is carbon tax. Then that's not a conversation.
That's a debate about government policy, not about the issue
at hand.

Speaker 11 (01:08:26):
Well, first of all, Patty, I'd like to apologize if
I've been offensive and anyway, I certainly didn't mean to
say blame you for having a conversation with Rob was
a great guy and a very legitimate conversation. No, I'm
not like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Just for complication, Peter, just for my clarification, I'm not
offended at all, not one bit. So don't worry about that.

Speaker 11 (01:08:46):
Okay, Thanks, Patty. I appreciate it, because that certainly wasn't
the intention, my intention to criticize anybody the issue of
Like I understand that you who are going to continue
to be producing costle fuels. I certainly don't expect my
conversation here this morning to have any difference in the

(01:09:07):
global situation. I guess I'm just here expressing an opinion,
and I think it's unfortunate that people don't agree with me.
But I understand that they don't. You know, I guess
philosophically people might say, well, it's easy for you to
say philosophically, I mean, you know, but you know, just

(01:09:30):
because someone else sells drugs, don't mean that I got
to sell drugs. Well, just because someone else sells oil
doesn't mean that I have to sell oil.

Speaker 7 (01:09:37):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:09:37):
That's but anyway, I can understand that there's lots of
poor people in new Land and we need medical care,
we need lots of other stuff, and that's that's top
on their mind, rather than what's going to happen down
five years down the road. And I also understand that
if newfer Land quid producing all the more, it's not
going to be a drop in the bucket compared to
global consumption. So you know, I'm not trying to be crazy.

(01:10:01):
The second point was related to what's different now than
there was twenty years ago. Well, you know, it's possible
that there's nothing different. Maybe I'm chicken little and say
this guy is going to call fall.

Speaker 12 (01:10:14):
But in the last.

Speaker 11 (01:10:18):
Four years, global warming has exceeded the models, and even
more troubling, severe weather has exceeded where it should be
in accordance with the amount of warming that we're seeing now.
Climate science can't say anything about that. I'm a big

(01:10:39):
lover of science and a big believer in science, but
the thing with science is that science's greatest weakness is
also its greatest strength, or its greatest strength is also
its greatest weakness. In order for scientists to make a prediction,
they need probability values in the order of ninety five
or ninety nine percent, and they need that based upon

(01:11:01):
mountains of hard data and subject to rigorous statistical analysis.
Now I was in the risk management business, obviously I
couldn't wait till I was ninety five percent sore that
something bad was going to happen before I, you know,
did something about it. And that's where we are now.
The signs and symptoms from a risk management point of view,

(01:11:24):
we are on well, I think we're gone past being
on thin ice. I think we're on ice that's starting
to crack.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
Well.

Speaker 11 (01:11:30):
As I said, the Titanic has hit the iceberg. So yeah,
I do believe it's it's different, I guess. And again
obviously these are my opinions, and most people think I'm crazy,
but yeah, you know, things have there's been we've turned
the corner in the last four or five years, and

(01:11:52):
you know, and there's there's really nothing that is going
to change it, I'm sure because people are going to
continue on with business, figuring business as usual, But in
my opinion it is I think we're very close to
some very serious consequences.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
You know, I'll be on the receiving end of all
kinds of feedback here and so be it. That's just
nature the beast. That's what I do for a living.
And you know, when people talk about the science, there's
no such thing as one hundred percent consensus in the
scientific community. But if you look across the world of
signing climate scientists and people will say, well, you know,
it's in their best interest to further this narrative because

(01:12:31):
it brings in grant money stuff. Come on. The consensus
is very much like a kin to plate tectonics and evolution.
So that's kind of where we are in the world
of climate science. So I know where you're coming from.
The trick here will be is that for people who
just think that this is a tired issue that they've
been told is going to be the end of the
world decades ago, and here we are. But things have

(01:12:55):
changed in the last ten years much differently, much quicker
than they have in years past. So whether that be
government policy or personal responsibility or international cooperation, I don't know,
but it's going to be hard to get enough like
minded people in the one arena or the one mindset
to actually do something, because that's the problem here. It's
so splintered. The world is so disconnected on one hand,

(01:13:17):
while being uber connected on the other. But issues that
are controversial, you know, the leadership has just simply not
been there and that hasn't been steadfast on a variety
of issues, which will I will include climate change. And again,
if all people think about as carbon tax when they
hear climate change, there's a lot more between climate change
as an issue and the implementational government policy or a
carbon tax.

Speaker 11 (01:13:39):
Well, you know, Patty, I think everything you just said
is very accurate, and honestly, I don't think anything is
going to change on the global scale. I mean, we're
going to continue full speed ahead, you know, until either
the global economy melts down or something worse. But uh,

(01:14:01):
you know, the only thing I would say, like, you know,
people ask me about this, they say, well, you know
you believe it is very strongly. How can you go
you know what your day to day life, which I do.
You know, I don't don't worry about it. This is
simply just you know, the only thing that I would
say to people. And here I am giving a non
solicited advice, which I love to do, is like just

(01:14:22):
be just be mentally prepared for it. I mean, the
thing the only thing you can do now is try
to develop a sense of community with the people around
you and h and you know you've heard of these
people called preppers, they used to be called survivalists. Uh,
and you know one of their big things was, well,
you've got to be secret, you got to be on

(01:14:43):
your own, You've got to keep out the world that
those aren't the people that are going to survive. The
people are going to survive her the people with the
most friends and the best psychological or philosophical outlook on
life and so on. So yeah, I mean, I think
it's good. I think it's going to be terrible, but
there's nothing we can do about it. And I just
wanted to express my opinion. And listener, really appreciate your

(01:15:07):
letting me binge your ear.

Speaker 10 (01:15:08):
You have a great show.

Speaker 11 (01:15:11):
It's very refreshing to find the talk show host that
actually has a sensible conversation with people rather than rather
than trying to make some kind of nonsense to get rating.
So I really appreciate your efforts.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
I appreciate your time. Thanks for doing Peter.

Speaker 11 (01:15:30):
All right, sir, talk to you later.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Thank you, Bye bye, welcome bye bye. All right, let's
get a break and when we come back, we'll talking
about an expansion of the Wheels of Hope program. Mark
Kahana is in the program, is in the Q to
talk about that. Then another great initiative, Heads Without Beds
will dig into that, and then we're going to talk
to Fishery dunk Away. Welcome back to the show. Let's
go to line number two. Say good morning to Mark Kahn,

(01:15:51):
Wheels of Hope, volunteer coordinator with the Canadian Cancer Society,
and good morning Mark, you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (01:15:57):
Good morning Patty, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Very happy to do it. I know what Wheels of
Hope are is explain to the folks who don't sure.

Speaker 13 (01:16:06):
So the Canadian Cancer Society we provide this amazing program
called Wheels of Hope. So Wheels of Hope, with the
kindness of volunteer drivers, they transfer people that are undergoing
cancer treatment that don't have a way to get to
their life saving treatment. So the volunteers drivers they get
to use their own vehicle. We provide them with a
milatory reimbursement or tax re seats, so not out of

(01:16:26):
pocket for gas. And I'm here this morning. I'm very
happy to tell you that the Canadian cant Sciety is
bringing the program, the Wheels of Hope program to Cornerbrook
and all the surrounding communities. You know, we're here to
support those people living with cancer and we're just thrilled
to bring the program to expand the program. We brought
it back into Saint John's last year and now we're
again launching a Cornerbrook. Now we just need some volunteer

(01:16:49):
drivers to get those wheels turning.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
How many volunteers do you have, say, for instance, in
and around Saint John's.

Speaker 13 (01:16:57):
We have about twenty at the moment, and we're thinking
for cook we could use at least ten people from
all over, not just Corner Book itself, but from all
over the region. You know areas that we're going to
serve or like Deer Lake, Stephenville, North and South Shore,
so all those little communities in those areas. We want
to make sure that anyone who needs to ride to
their cancer treatment can get one. But we're looking for

(01:17:18):
volunteers from all those areas. You know, I'll say that
we're very flexible with the time commitment, holidays, snowbirds, medical leaves,
that's no problem at all. You know, we just want
people to stick with us down the road and again
we'll provide them with the mileage reimbursement so no one's
out of pocket for gas. And you know, we want
to launch this program and Corner Book as soon as possible,

(01:17:38):
but we we need volunteers from the community to be
able to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
I believe, let's say, for instance, in Saint Johns and
we'll dig in the corner book. I think you have
to be a patient that lives within I believe fifty
kilometers of the Bliss Center to be able to avail
to this program. What's the distance buffer right in.

Speaker 13 (01:17:55):
In that general area? You know, the program runs from
eight am to six pm. So we have to recently,
you know, think of the safety of the volunteer drivers.
We can't have them, you know, driving all night long
or anything like that. So we looked at where the
greatest need is and you know, for sure there's a
need in the Saint John's area, and we know that
there is a need in the Cornerbrook area. Which is
which is why we expanded the program.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Terrific news and I'm going to be confident in that
people in the area. We'll take up the call here
for volunteers on this front, because you know, dealing with
the diagnosis and the ongoing treatment, if transportation becomes a hurdle,
that's you know, yet another fork in the road that
we needn't have to chase. So I really hope you're
successful out in Cornerbrook. Just a quick question about how

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it works in other parts of the country. We talked
and I'm going to say a couple of years ago
about this type of thing, and you know, something's got
sidetracked because of the pandemic and the like. But I
don't think Wheels of Hope has been able to latch
on in every province or am I mistaken.

Speaker 13 (01:18:53):
No, you're right, we're running it in most of the provinces.
We're still wanting to expand it more to Atlantic Canada,
but we've we've definitely been expanding the program year after
year after year because there is a need. There's a
need for transportation. You know, we know that if people
don't have a way to get to their life saving
cancer treatment, they don't go, and that's not something we

(01:19:15):
ever want to see happen. So, you know, we're we're
always looking at expanding the Wilson Hute program. But the
reality is is that we need volunteer drivers from the
community to make that happen. So it's you know, we
say that it's a takes to society to take on cancer,
and it's very true. So you know, my plea is
that you know, your listeners out there, if anyone's in
the Cornerbrook area, like I said, from Deer Lake to Stephenville,

(01:19:40):
all those little communities in between, you know, please consider
signing up for us. I know there's probably listeners out
there that Paul, You're thinking, No, they got Grandpa Bob
would be perfect for this, or Aunt Mary would be
a perfect volunteer driver. Please tell them, Please tell them
about the Wills of HOTE program and that we need
volunteer drivers in Cornerbrook.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
How responsive do the drivers have to be? Like, do
I get a few a couple of days heads up
or kind of get a call at nine o'clock saying
your services are needed at twelve o'clock.

Speaker 13 (01:20:06):
Yeah, great question, Patty. No, you know you get your
assignments at least three business days ahead of time. It's
we use a secure software program, so basically, you'll just
get an email saying that a ride has been assigned
to you. You'll log in, look at your right assignment.
You'll either accept it or decline it. And if you
decline it, that's fine, We'll find another driver that can

(01:20:28):
do the rides. You know, we're just looking for people
that have a good driving record, that love to drive,
you know, that that enjoy chatting with people and have
some really interesting, great conversations. You know, I myself used
to be a volunteer driver and I was just humbled
how people that were transporting are just so grateful for

(01:20:49):
a stranger driving them. It's it's really a humbling experience,
I tell you. And you know, qualifications I can just
get into briefly as that. You know, the program does
run Monday to Friday during the day. If you've got
a good driving record, you drive one hundred percent smoke
free vehicle, please sign up. We'll take everything. We'll take
care of everything in our end. You know, you just
have to be willing to go through a criminal record

(01:21:10):
check and references and that you know, normal type of
thing for for being a volunteer, but it really is
a great experience and you're you're making a difference in
someone's life literally from your own community.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Does the Canadian Casher Society pay for any of these
background checks?

Speaker 13 (01:21:27):
Yes, all that's covers. There's no expense at all, So
the volunteer driver will cover that as well as a
mileagoryibursement or they can take a tax receipt as well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Do patients have to get referred by their doctor or
can they self refer for this program?

Speaker 13 (01:21:41):
Then you have to get a referral from from their
doctor or nurse. Anyone from the cancer center and corner
Brook can uh very quickly just give us a referral,
just some paperwork we need to get that process started.
But it's it's really not a roadblock at all. Any
any person that's going through cancer treatment can get that referral.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Last one before I let you pump the tires on
the program one more time. So does this also cover
not only for after the diagnosis and do access treatments?
But what about like follow up apployments into the future,
because you might not I mean you might be living
cancer free, but that doesn't mean you still have to
be in constant contact with your doctor. So do you
cover those types of appointments as well, Yes, we.

Speaker 13 (01:22:20):
Sure do, Patty. And again that's a really great point,
that's true. You know, once they're done treatment, they do
it to go for a follow up or check the appointments,
and for sure we'll cover those. Again, we just want
to make sure that anybody who needs to ride the
treatments can get one. And there is you know, unfortunate,
there's a lot of people out there that don't have
a family or friends close by to take them. And
so that's why I say that you're you're literally making

(01:22:42):
a difference in somewhat's life. You know, we don't think
it's a big deal just to pick someone up and
drive them somewhere, but to someone who doesn't have a
ride to treatment, this is a big deal. So you know,
you don't need a special driver's license, you don't need
special insurance. In fact, that you're your rates cannot go
up for volunteer driving because you're not like a paid

(01:23:03):
driver or anything like that. So yeah, please please take
a chance and sign up and help someone out from
the from your own community.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Where do they sign up? Sure?

Speaker 13 (01:23:14):
So they can go right now if volunteer Cancer dot Ca. Again,
volunteer cancer dot Ca. If they want to email us
just have a few more questions. They can email us
at volunteer at cancer dot ca, or they can always
just give us a phone call also for people that
are interested in signing up for the program. But again,
we can't launch the program until we have at least

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ten volunteer drivers in the corner Brook area. And again
not just Cornerbrook, but all those all those surrounding communities.
They can call us at one eight eight, eight, nine
three nine thirty three thirty three.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Appreciate your time, Mark, good luck with it.

Speaker 13 (01:23:50):
Thank you so much. Patty, appreciate it my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Bye bye. That's Mark con We the PUP coordinator. Volunteer coordinator.
So if you're so inclined, please do need consider being
one of the volunteer drivers. Let's take a break. When
we go back, heads without beds, don't go away, welcome back.
Let's go Line UB three. Say good morning to the
owner of Intuitive Media. That's Denise. Goodyear and good morning
Denise around the air.

Speaker 7 (01:24:11):
Good morning, Patty, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Thanks for having me very well, thanks for joining us,
welcome to the program. So I know a little bit
about Heads without Beds, but it's a great event. Give
folks the notes.

Speaker 8 (01:24:23):
Sure.

Speaker 7 (01:24:23):
So Heads without Beds is an annual fundraiser and this
is the fourth year put off by Home Again Furniture Bank,
where six participating community leaders will all spend a night
Tomorrow night sleeping without our bed to raise awareness of
furniture poverty and encourage community support. Our goal is sixty
thousand dollars. We're only about halfway there, so we really

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need some community support.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
And it's tomorrow, so let's get at it. So how
does it? You know, we talk about things like the
longest night we have the walk downtown to you know,
give a very brief a sense of what it might
be to be homeless. So how realistically does this work?
Where do people go to sleep without their bed? Is
it at their own home and we go the honor
code or do they go somewhere and do it? No?

Speaker 7 (01:25:07):
No, this is actually it's the six leaders that are participating.
We're the ones that go and sleep without our bed.
We're asking for the public to donate, community businesses and
anybody in our community here who can offer either a
personal donation or a business donation to help us raise
the funds. It costs about two hundred and fifty dollars

(01:25:29):
to put a bed under someone's head to ensure that
people are not sleeping without it. We have a growing
number of families across the Northeast Avalan living without the
basics that most of us take for granted, a bed
to sleep in, table.

Speaker 8 (01:25:41):
Share a meal around a sofa to sit together.

Speaker 7 (01:25:44):
So this is an initiative where local businesses partner with
and community leaders partner with Home Again Furniture Bank to
try to put a dent in that need.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
And I know, the Home Again Furniture Bank you've probably
helped furnish well and access four thousand homes over the
course of the last ten years, which is extraordinary. But
to that end, how has the demand grown. Let's just
pick a number of the last five years.

Speaker 7 (01:26:10):
Well, demand has grown significantly. I mean in twenty twenty
four alone, four hundred and eighty six beds were delivered
to six hundred and two homes. So you know, in
any population, you know, as things continue to prosper, you
know there are always people who are left behind. And
in addition to helping those people, Another beautiful thing about

(01:26:32):
donating your gently used furniture to Home Again has to
date kept seven hundred and fifteen tons of furniture out
of our local landfill since in the last ten years,
so that's pretty significant numbers as well. So you know,
as the need continues to grow home Again, are you know,

(01:26:52):
leaning on community leaders and business owners to assist in that.

Speaker 8 (01:26:56):
But of course you.

Speaker 7 (01:26:57):
Know they're always looking to generate used furniture as well.
One of my clients, Smith's Furniture, for example, recently donate
at ten thousand dollars that are also covering the pickup
feet if somebody wishes to donate furniture. So there's lots
of initiatives happening to grow the awareness and to ensure

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you know, less people in our community are going without
basic furniture needs so that they can you know, make
wherever they're living more.

Speaker 8 (01:27:26):
Of a home.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
The landfill implication is key, isn't it. I mean, how
many people go to renovate or redecorate and consequently some
pretty gently used stuff if they can't find home for
it immediately or no one picks it up because they've
got to take me sign on it out on the
carb it may indeed end up in the dump and
it just brings to mind for me. Children babies in particular,
absolutely took all of the baby clothes and cribs and

(01:27:49):
high chairs and car seats. Pardon me, I'm not going
to use car seats because we're not supposed to reuse
of other families. If it took all the other appfloormentioned,
we can go another decade. No one would ever have
to buy a cribb or a high share already baby
clothes because it's so much about out there. If you
just circulated around, we can really you know, stem some
of those going without families.

Speaker 7 (01:28:09):
Absolutely, it's a very simple way to pay it forward,
you know, by simply you know, upcycling something you're no
longer using to someone who needs it. It's you know,
so this particular campaign, you know, was really leaning on
largely our business community, but also our community of individuals
as well. Of course to make a donation if I could,

(01:28:30):
I can. I can just list out the leaders that
are taking part that way. Their own communities want to
donate to their campaigns, they can. There's myself, Denise Goodyear.
As you said, I'm the owner of Intuitive Media. I've
been in marketing and networks around the city for a
very long time, actually starting my career back there at
the eSCM where you are, so I'm very excited to
be a part of it. We also have Lynn Sullivan.

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She is the CEO of Golding's Wholesale, Chapman Bakery, Windsor
Snacks and other businesses. We have Jeremy Whittell, who's the
COO of Crosby. We have Jeff Spencer, office lead and
partner at McGinnis Cooper, Nevin Hollett, the managing broker at
exp Realty and builder developer with Gibraltar, and Peter Miles,
vice president of business development at North Atlantic.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
So basically we've all been.

Speaker 7 (01:29:14):
Spending the last month of our lives raising funds for
this campaign, with a goal of ten thousand dollars each
for a total of sixty thousand. As I said, the
event where we'll all get probably not a lot of sleep.
Tomorrow evening is the actual event, but donations will be
accepted until November eighth.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
I have a bed, but I haven't got much sleep
in the last couple of nights. I know that that's
a blue.

Speaker 9 (01:29:36):
Jab hear enough.

Speaker 8 (01:29:37):
I don't think a lot of us do these days.
It's so much time ago.

Speaker 7 (01:29:40):
But if people want to donate, they can just go
to Heads Without Beds Leaders dot CA, and we certainly
appreciate the support so we can help more people and
help protect our environment at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Bravo to all hands who are participating, and hopefully the
required other half of the donated goals come to pass
the hopefully as a result of this call. And just
quickly before I let you go, say you started your
career here, any tips on how to get out of.

Speaker 7 (01:30:05):
Here longer than an hour to talk about that one?

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Denise, good to have you on and then bravo, Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:30:17):
Thank you so much, appreciate the time, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
My pleasure, Bye bye, take care, bye bye. All right,
let's get into the news break and of course I
was getting let's get into news Bak. We're going to
go back to the president at the FFAWS Dwan Street.
She's in the Q and then Jim wants to talk
about Saint John City Council. Then whatever you want to
talk about, don't go aheat.

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Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to LNE number
eight and say give more to the President at the FFAW.
That's Dwan straight, Dwan, you're on the air. Good morning, Patty,
Good morning you, welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (01:31:02):
Thanks.

Speaker 7 (01:31:02):
Lots of good community initiatives being discussing our show this morning.

Speaker 8 (01:31:06):
Love it, absolutely so, Patty.

Speaker 7 (01:31:10):
Just last week our new Insurre Council was sworn in
here at the FFAW, and firstly, i'd like to congratulate
everybody who was successful.

Speaker 8 (01:31:18):
In that election.

Speaker 7 (01:31:20):
We've got lots of new faces around the table, lots
of young faces and some returning members as well. And
I'd also like to say thank you to those who
have served on our council and either put them self
forward and weren't successful or decided to retire.

Speaker 8 (01:31:36):
From the table.

Speaker 7 (01:31:38):
But one of the things I wanted to discuss this
morning is the Insured council stance on marine closures. We've
seen with this liberal government a number of closures really
being push status. And I've been around this industry long
enough to remember when the target was fifteen by fifteen,
and then it was twenty by twenty, and now it's

(01:31:59):
thirty by thirty. And what I mean by that is
it started at fifteen percent of our marine environment quote
unquote protected by twenty fifteen, and then it went twenty
percent by twenty twenty, and now it's thirty percent by
twenty thirty. So you know, I'm sure your listeners are
no stranger to ourselves and some other organizations calling in

(01:32:20):
to discuss our concerns with the NMCA down on the
southwest coast, some already existing closures, and now the one
that's coming at US is the federal governments are proposing
a closure out on the Virgin Rocks. And the Virgin
Rocks are off Natho Division three L, which is here
off the Avalanie Peninsula on the northeast coast, and it's

(01:32:43):
one of the most vibrant offshore fishing areas for Northern
con and has been historically.

Speaker 8 (01:32:50):
So the second that.

Speaker 7 (01:32:51):
Came across our desk, immediately red legs go up and
our members say, Okay, what's going on here?

Speaker 8 (01:32:56):
What's the government protecting?

Speaker 7 (01:32:58):
So that's always been our question when these closures come
at US right. And we've been back and forth with
DFO on the Sands Frorst Coast Home with Parks Canada
because that's who's draw in that one to try and
get answers. We never seemed to quite get them. So
when we had a very very thorough discussion around the table,
and of course new members around the table as well

(01:33:20):
as some veteran members as well who were there when
previous closures were discussed and implemented and have been around
long enough to see that those closures haven't achieved what
was originally put on the table for them to achieve.
So the Insro Cancil said, enough is enough. We're drawing
a hardline in the sand here.

Speaker 8 (01:33:39):
No more closures.

Speaker 7 (01:33:40):
The ones that are in place show us evidence that
they've achieved what you said they were going to achieve,
or they need to be reopened up as well. So
that's the stands we've taken, and we're really looking forward
to working with our new provincial government and hoping they're
going to join us in that cause.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Right. And so you use the acronym of NMCA, which
is the National Marine Conservation Area or areas, because there
are many proposed across the country. So again, a couple
of things. I know I heard Premier Designate Tony Wakem
talking about, you know, bringing a hall to it and
no disrespect to the Premier, the incoming premier and or
his office. Plus he doesn't really have a whole lot

(01:34:17):
of authority on that front, so I'll put that out there. Secondly,
is I still have no earthly idea what it's going
to mean for owner operators in the inshore fishery because
it's either you're going to ban certain types of bottom
drug drags or draws trials pard of me, or it's
the same gear that's allowed in other areas to be
allowed in there. So I don't even know what's going
to happen here, to be honest with you, do you

(01:34:38):
guys have any more information?

Speaker 7 (01:34:41):
So in talking about the NNCA, your first question about
the Premier Designate and what the authority he's actually going
to have. The provincial government does have a lot of
authority and pulling support for that for that closure, and
we've been told that without the province's support on the
MoU that's going to be completely quashed. So we had

(01:35:01):
been looking for commitment from the Liberal government at the
time to pull their support for it. We were told
around the table, whether that be in meetings just with
our organization or around the Premier's round table on trade,
multiple times that government was pulling their support for that
MoU and it never happened. So Tony wakem has been

(01:35:21):
very clear that he will pull his support and we
certainly will be holding him to that. And from what
we're being told, without the province of support, that closure
is just not going to go ahead. And of course
nmca's like I said, national marine conservation areas just one
type of closure. We often hear of MPAs, marine protected areas,
marine refuges, and they all come with different different types

(01:35:42):
of what's going to be allowed within those closures, but
generally those come with restricted fishing or no fishing. And
we hear from Practice Canada very wishy, washy answers, and
that whole process Patty has been concerning and very very strange.
Government does agree with us on that because Parks Canada
have been very adamant about Oh, disclosure is going to

(01:36:06):
bring X number of millions of dollars into your area
and this number of jobs, and we'd ask them simply
show us where this money is coming from that's going
to be injected into the economy. Show us where these
jobs are coming from. Tell us what is or is
not going to be allowed in these areas when it
comes to fishing, and I mean, they give us wishy

(01:36:26):
washing answers, and then we look through what they give
us and we say, hang on now, but what about scalops.
You know, scalp dragging. Yes, it's a bottom contact and
it's a drag, but it tends to be a very non.

Speaker 8 (01:36:36):
Destructive gear type.

Speaker 7 (01:36:38):
And then they say, oh yeah, right, yeah, no scalp dragging.
And in that area, the scalop fishery, you know, in
that area is mostly small boat, multi species enterprises, and
the scalop fishery, while it's not a year round fishery
and not you know, volume heavy, it's value heavy and
it really really does contribute to those communities and those enterprises.
So that's the first one. We also look at redfish

(01:37:01):
and we say, okay, you know that area there's a
growing red fish industry. We have concerns what that's going
to be And they say, oh yeah, right, redfish calling.
That won't be allowed either. So what else was not
going to be allowed? We talked to our colleagues in
the Maritimes have gone through this process in a number
of areas, and they said, yeah, we were reassured as
well that we were going to be a part of

(01:37:23):
the process and give input and we were going to
be taken seriously and it wasn't going to affect our fisheries.
Well up on Saint Anne's Bank, they've lost very, very
valuable habitat when it comes to a fishing habitat. When
it comes to hallibus An, I'm lobster fishing and scallops
and we're completely blindsided by that. So, you know, it's
one of those processes where we feel we are being

(01:37:45):
told what they think we want to hear. We've tried
to work with Parks Canada down there to get the
input of fish harvesters heard, and what we've gotten is
pretty much lip service. You know, they'll hold a meeting
with fish harvesters the same day that they hold one
with non fish vests, and what's promoted is to take
back out of the meeting where everything was favorable, and

(01:38:08):
you'll proposed meetings at times when they know everybody's fishing
and won't be able to attend, like it's a very sketchy,
very strategic process on their end, So we have a
lot of concerns. We haven't gotten clear concise answers to
what this is going to mean, and our members have
been very, very adamant that this is not going ahead,
and we're really looking forward to seeing today who's Fisheries

(01:38:32):
Minister and working with that person along with the Premiere.

Speaker 8 (01:38:36):
To pull support for that closure.

Speaker 7 (01:38:38):
Because until you have direct evidence of what something protects,
what is going to mean, and what the outcome is
going to be, I don't understand how you can just
shut down an area and take somebody's livelihood.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Yeah, and as long with the concept of winners and
losers oil industry in fishery out which is a really
bizarre set of circumstances. My understanding on provincial support for
the national marine conservation areas it's more of a sentiment
than a rule. So my MI unerstanding is Parkicanadon and
the Government of Canadona can't proceed without the blessing of
the provincial government. I could be wrong, but we're still

(01:39:11):
trying to get someone from practice Canadon to command to
answer some very basic questions here and even their evaluation
of it is cultural and environmental, but not economic. How
do you leave economic considerations out of any evaluation for
what's being proposeder because it's an extensive area. Also in
that front, you know things that might look like closures

(01:39:31):
but they're not call closures. Is the possibility for offshore
wind to come to town because that has issues with
proximity to fishing around some of these turbines. It has
communication issues, whether it be for radar or radio. So
how are we going to consider that in the future
because it won't be a so called closure, but it
will infect be.

Speaker 7 (01:39:51):
One, absolutely, And our industry liaison here at the fawkd
Power has been involved in those processes from beginnings. She's
absolutely fabulous and I'm sure she'd be more.

Speaker 8 (01:40:02):
Than well willing to come on your show and discuss.

Speaker 7 (01:40:06):
What those issues have been because we have significant concerns
what wind energy is going to mean for the fishery.

Speaker 8 (01:40:11):
And when we look at the areas being.

Speaker 7 (01:40:13):
Proposed, obviously they're very very lucletar fishing grounds and just
to go back to the NMCA, I mean that's a
massive area that's being proposed and we've heard Parks Canada say, well,
you know this is just a study area.

Speaker 8 (01:40:25):
This is not the area that.

Speaker 7 (01:40:26):
We're definitely going to close, but the communities in that area, Patty,
are very fishery for lions. We look at areas like Miramia,
we look at areas like the town. I mean, all
those areas are small communities. They depend on the fishery.
The folks down there are being made promises that I
personally can't see how Parks Canada are going to deliver.

Speaker 8 (01:40:47):
And they always.

Speaker 7 (01:40:48):
Push eco tourism and that's fine, you know, for a
couple of months a year you have a couple of
folks coming in looking at the water and saying.

Speaker 8 (01:40:55):
My god, that's beautiful.

Speaker 7 (01:40:57):
But then your community is dead because all the industry
have been pushed out. And we've had her concerns from
like mining saying that they've had investors already pull out
just because of what this could potentially mean for their industry.
So it's not just us, it's not just the fishery.
And you brought up oil and gas, you know, we've
argued this for ages with marine protected areas. We find

(01:41:19):
it pretty rich that a fish officer can't go into
one of these closed areas and drop a hook to
catch a cod But then all of a sudden, they're
fishing outside those areas and they see sarigemic vessels going
through and blasting through, and should there be a find
in there, they have no problem with a drilling rig
being plopped right in the middle of it. So what
exactly are you protecting here? You're going to argue with

(01:41:39):
us that you're protecting biodiversity and the environment and the ecosystem. Well,
I really don't think a slagemic vessel or a drill
rig had the best interest of the environment in mind.
So you know, it's one of those things that seems
pretty counterintuitive when you look at, say a hook and line,
which is a very non destructive gear, and you just

(01:42:00):
can't use it in those areas. And we look at
the Funk Island deep as a perfect example of what
we're dealing with right now. That's a place that's been
closed for a long long time, and originally it was
for protection of Northern cos and it was seen as
one of the most productive areas in Northern cos. But
when you protect one species in an area and stop

(01:42:21):
any harvesting on it, and what happens is you completely
disrupt the ecosystem.

Speaker 8 (01:42:26):
So other species.

Speaker 7 (01:42:27):
Right now, like snow crab in Northern shrimp are being
decimated in the Funk Island deep because we've created a
breeding ground for northern cod and predation is completely through
the roof, so they've thrown off the ecosystem and harvesters
aren't allowed in there. Like I said, with a hulk,
to take a small amount of northern god to try
and restore that balance. And when we mentioned that to

(01:42:48):
DFO and we say, okay, show us the science, show
us the data that this has achieved anything that you
said it was going to other than completely throwing out
the balance of the ecosystem, they can't produce that. And
now they say is h yeah, maybe it's time to
go back and revisit to see what.

Speaker 8 (01:43:02):
That closure actually did.

Speaker 7 (01:43:04):
But of course reopening enclosure is like trying to reopen
a fishery when it's closed. It's it's like polenteers and
it's not an easy process. So until a closure is
proposed and the questions we ask like is this based
on science? Do you have data that this is actually
going to achieve what you're saying it's going to achieve,

(01:43:24):
then we can't support that. And historically closures have been
very harvester driven, small scale, right, So in those days,
harvesters would come forward and propose an area, put a
committee in place, and.

Speaker 8 (01:43:37):
They monitor it themselves.

Speaker 7 (01:43:38):
But what we're getting now is top dam management. We
have the government coming to us and saying we are
closing this and here's why. But when we ask for
data and if it's based on science, they're like, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:43:50):
A deer in headlights.

Speaker 7 (01:43:51):
So until harvesters are being taken seriously and involved in
the discussions and it's not just you know, consultation to
take a box, then we are absolutely not supporting any
more closures.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Yeah, the Hawks Channel closure is a good case study.
It really truly is to look at what was achieved
versus what was to use your words, oppositting the ecosystem
Apple card. D want good to have you on the program.
Any updates when available. You're welcome back. Thanks, Erny, I
appreciate it, pleasure, Bye bye, take care down Street. President
at the FFAW mentioned scollops and this isn't in Dwan's crosshairs,

(01:44:26):
but you know, a scalop break if you're going for
the recreational scallop fishery which is open year round recreational
scholar harvesters are not allowed to use a hydraulic winch
or a lift to get the pretty heavy break out
of the water. And many of these people are possibly
a little bit older, maybe don't have the strength they
once did, but you're not allowed to do it. Why
doesn't even make any sense. Let's take a break, don't
go away, Welcome back to the program. Quick traffic advisory

(01:44:50):
coming from the Clareville Detachment of the RCNP. A section
of base driving Lethbridge is closed in both directions. Emergency
crews are on site to a structure fire a one
hundred block of Lethbridge appartment baside Driving Lethbridge. So stay
clear if possible. Let's keep rolling or we're just talking fisheries.
The new Fisheries Minister is Loyola addressco Minister Fisheries and Agriculture.

(01:45:13):
No real surprise there. Let's go line number one, gym.
You're on the air. Yes, good morning, Good morning to you.

Speaker 14 (01:45:22):
Yes, look I phoned you because I think you're well informed.
You have common sense. I feel I have common sense,
but I'm not well informed. Now answer one question for me. Sure,
what incentive have you got to raise money? For bus
for your station. The politicians phone in, they pat themselves

(01:45:47):
on the back. Ye I won there. Last week her
Amus grew up Porto long telegraat jobs Zone, people phone
in looking for votes. Shouldn't they pay for the time?

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
Well, I mean I wish they would. But the show's
kind of structured like that, you know, to be honest
and to be fair. Fewer politicians call the show nowadays
than prepared the years past. It used to be a
real ton of it. It used to be almost sometimes
mostly politicians. Now it's not as common as it once was.
And I don't know the reason for it.

Speaker 14 (01:46:17):
But John, last week there was one. Last week there
was one woman phoned in and saying she had just
got to re elected and then how busy she is
and to do it? Is that she wants to get
re elected next time because most of the people in
politics fore us. I'm concerned her dear, because he can't
get a better job somewhere else. Now, I'm going to

(01:46:39):
give you a bit of my background. Sure Well, If
and I were married in her sixties in a sure period,
we had three children, living in as far as two
bedroom basement department, and at the same time pleasant bill.

(01:47:00):
They took the land between tor Bay Road and White
is developing in three billion lots. So common sense said
sold us, we got ourselves in this situation. We're going
to get ourselves at this situation. I could have went
to Brookmaster Circle and said, look, there's five is living
in a small two big and base Park can help us.
I would still be I could still be living up

(01:47:22):
in Brookmaster Circle. But no, we got a certain issues
situation and common sense that's going to take us that
this situation. And we did, and at the present I
end up with five children, five university degrees. My oldest

(01:47:44):
I'll tell you what what it turned out. Now. My
oldest retired from the local police for department only the
second chief of police for the university degree. My next
one graduated at forty eight years of age from the
University of Briga, British Columbia as a thirst education teacher.
He teaches here craft mats here Candid. My next child,

(01:48:06):
he's a board certified medical specialist, not only in Canda
but also in the United States. My third one is
my fourth one is office manager. My youngest one is
up in the Ontario working for the school board, currently
doing courses and we all did to just through common sense.

(01:48:27):
Now I've voulunteered for a number of things in nap Provincially,
on the board of directors from the Confederation between Local
round here, as a cupmaster, as a hockey coach, and

(01:48:50):
when I retired at fifty four, the church I was
attending they needed somebody to run the full banks. I
did that. I did it for twelve years, using my
own vehicle, my own guess, going round pick them up
for you. Food work for years to go with Associate
Freezers and and Community Food Sharing Association. They keep and

(01:49:16):
go around the supermarkets pick of specials and did nobody
got let the end of twelve years, I got three
people approached me and said thank you very much for
its help feeding me and my family when it was
necessary to go to the food bank. That's all I wanted.
I did him want money. Now we get on the

(01:49:36):
skid into something else. That's not for bragging, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
And a quick one before I after the news. One more.

Speaker 14 (01:49:43):
One more city council. Then he Brien fell asleep at
the end of his second term. We had a water
shortreach I got I got a Kevin the Babulls now,
I was up there and the partner was down by
twelve feet, and he sell me once the lake was
down by twelve feet. And after he gets a let
he comes out nest liver. They have showers. What the
hell was they doing when he was mayor? And people

(01:50:05):
vote for him? The council get elected for too long.
Nobody should get elected for more than three years. The
first year's learned what everything is about, and the second
and third year to make some changes. They didn't do it.
And then the city's council bring Petty sat on the
back because of the partestrian mall. Why the hell don't

(01:50:27):
we to petty sets on the back because they look
in the boring park, we get look up, we get
in the baring park. We got the lombowing beautiful walking trails,
we got the cargo in there, Peter Pan in there.
That's what we should be doing, bringing the people in there.
And we should also have no land dogs and no

(01:50:49):
land ponies in there. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
I like.

Speaker 14 (01:50:56):
Three years there's councilors down there, sir. If the last
the counselor job, nobody would hire them. Who would hire
Sandy Aikman? Thanks? Somebody said he's twenty one years Oudrey
one hire Sandy Aikman with furnershure please who once I
advertise how easy it is to sleep in the cheers?
God is unbelievable. Don't reason he gets like a's name

(01:51:17):
was Hickman. That's my opinion about him. I got a
lot of our for a lot of other questions in there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
Let's save a couple for the next time. Jim, I'm
a little bit late for the news. How's that? Does
that work for you?

Speaker 14 (01:51:33):
It's only over because I talkt to it?

Speaker 12 (01:51:36):
What are you doing?

Speaker 14 (01:51:37):
What are you going to do? Put the Waterford in there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
That's a good question, and there's one we can pick
up next time. I am late for the news, but
you're welcome to come back another day and we can
start talking about the old Waterford site. How's that sound good? Thanks? Jim?
All right, Yeah, let's take a break for the news.
When we come back, we speak with you about.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Tim Power Show showing the Conversation day afternoons at four
pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line number three.

Speaker 15 (01:52:06):
Ted, you're on the air, Eddy sir, Hello, Hello, go
right ahead, Ted, what's on your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
Yes, sir, ted, go right ahead.

Speaker 16 (01:52:22):
Oh hi, how are you doing. I just wanted to
give a shout out to a local applying th repair store.
I had a clothes dryer in my house as ten
or twelve years old, and I had a couple of
termoles that were burnt off. I tried everywhere in time
to get them. Couldn't get them anywhere, and try that line,
try the Amazon, tried everywhere. Finally somebody said to me,

(01:52:44):
try premium appliants on the Merchant Road. So I dropped
in and they had the parts in stacked and gave
them me no charge. So I just wanted to give
a shout out to those guys for their kindness.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
Well, I'm glad it worked for you. I mean, it's
amazing when you talk about appliance is now, they're really
built to be just thrown away. Like if the clock
golls on your range, you're oven, you might as well
thrown away because the replacement could cast you as much
as a new range are very close to it. So
it's amazing the world of appliances and getting them repaired
has gone by the way the Dodo birds somewhat, So
good on you for finding someone who can do the work.

Speaker 16 (01:53:20):
Well, they didn't do the work. I was able to
do the work myself because I couldn't find I couldn't
get in the clients repair company to do it, so
I was able to do it myself. I just went
online and looked at a video on YouTube and it
was nothing to it. But because I was able to
get the parents online, I was able to do it
in no time.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Oh good, I'm glad it worked out for you, Ted
perfect good man. Appreciate your time.

Speaker 16 (01:53:45):
Okay, thank you, You're.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Welcome, Bye bye. But isn't it remarkable? Like I've got
a stand up freezer in my basement and knock on
water is still working. Well, it's got to be. It's
approaching fifty years old. I mean, stuff you by today.
It might be shiny and look good, but the lifespan
isn't what it once was. I mean, the applying's company
is the manufacturers. They got to figure it out. Is

(01:54:07):
they'll sell it something and replacement parts can be so
expensive that when something goes that's it. People just say
I'm ditching that. I'm not going to spend you know,
it was four hundred and fifty dollars to repair something
on the fridge or the freezer or the oven or
the washing machine or whatever the case we'd be that
I bought for six hundred bucks. So it's become a
bit of a throwaway commodity, very much unlike what it

(01:54:28):
used to be. Let's go to line number two. Danny,
you're on the air.

Speaker 12 (01:54:35):
Yeah, Beata noise is here in a fishing ground?

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
Is Beta order fishing ground? Yeah, it's way outside where
the inshore fish. It's there's like five hundred kilometers out
so I'm sure there's some fishing going on by offshore
fleet spots, not for new flannd Labador based fish officers.

Speaker 12 (01:54:56):
Nope, shut yes, it's I forgot about it. We had
all the Mummy developed the Hibernian, we had all the
companies share development to drill them. And now that they're all.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
Done well, the same company behind Hibernia is still around.
Next on mobile. They're actually the company behind Hebrown as well.

Speaker 12 (01:55:32):
Yeah, but as they can't chair ency s Pea Shore
herit Hare well. Uh, Peture Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
Yeah, Petrol Canada is not a thing anymore. Part of me.
Petrol Canada is not doesn't exist anymore. That's rights now
that's gone.

Speaker 12 (01:55:57):
Okay, Okay, super ouse shore Terror and let's see what
And Harry is Harry's our shore pipe bearer up in

(01:56:18):
tel Vey Roads and towers down.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Okay, I should you know clarify Petrol Canada merged with Suncore.
I mean so maybe fifteen years ago or something, so
they are now sun Core who operates turnover? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:56:36):
Yeah, are you been a new play form for turnover?

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
No, that work has been done. So they sent the
FPSO over to Spain for the Asset Life Extension project
and it turned out they didn't do a very good
job in Spain because when it came back it had
to go out to Bullard to get some of these
shoddy work repaired and some work finalize. So yeah, that
work has been done. It's been back in that now
for over a year. Out on the old fields.

Speaker 12 (01:57:05):
Did they send me for anners down to no Way?

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
Did we send new flannels to Norway?

Speaker 7 (01:57:13):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:57:14):
Down to Africa?

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
I don't know. I'm not sure.

Speaker 12 (01:57:21):
And they they they had new for the any shifted
out there. But I'm to our time, okay, I know
understanding room versus.

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
I have all I would imagine some of the on
shore service companies some have thrived since and some maybe
have gone by the way side.

Speaker 11 (01:57:45):
Don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
I'm not entirely sure to be honest, Aanning. Yeah, anything
else you want to talk about this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:57:58):
Now?

Speaker 12 (01:57:59):
I think it's about.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
Okay, appreciate your time. It's nice day out there too, Okay,
sare you take good care? Bye bye, Danny. Yeah. Petro
Canada is interesting. I mean so sometime in the mid
seventies it was a state owned company. They began the
privatization move in the early nineties. The government. When did

(01:58:21):
they last sell off any ownership of Petro Canada Maybe
two thousand and five somewhere around there. And then the
merge with Suncore, and of course there you go. Now
Petro Canada does exist as a gas station company, but
not as an oil field operator. Okay, let's take our
final break of the morning, Do not go away, Welcome

(01:58:42):
back to the program. Let's go to line number one,
drid around the air.

Speaker 8 (01:58:46):
Hello, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
I'm okay, thank you? How about you.

Speaker 10 (01:58:51):
Having a rough time?

Speaker 12 (01:58:52):
I will not lie.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
What's happening?

Speaker 10 (01:58:55):
Having a huge issue with NL Health Services as a whole. Sorry,
I've received the letter which I don't mind reading out.
Just all the admitting names or whatever, because there is
only one that I've receiving it that I'm now prohibited
from a lot of mental health services with no time train.
I'm banned from a particular building with no clarification exactly why,

(01:59:19):
because someone was afraid years ago, no charge in the
criminal record, and his building that I'm banned from its
where the family practice is coming. So the doctors, I've
been asked clear well, how are they going to work this?
This prevents me from seeing a doctor giving a GP
like how do you work around it? So no one
is answering. The doctor that is listed in the letter,

(01:59:41):
he's subbubly a point in contact and have all the
answers for me, but he's not answering anything to the
point he claims he has nothing to do with this letter.
He's even stated in front of RCMP, which is getting scary.
I'm not allowed to know my medical information. This some
medications that he's prescribed now since he's not monitoring. I've

(02:00:05):
even tried to walk away from him, but I've been
told I'm lessed as a patient on file and even
the thoughs of lasting the doctor. Another doctor D said
that you know he's lowering my medication that I've been
overprescribed twenty five years, benz at isazepines. I've been overrescribed
that through of the years, and so this isn't just yesterday.
I'm having paradoxal effects and therefore I'm having a rough

(02:00:28):
time with this overscription of medication. Physical withdrawals the worst,
and I take every precaution I can coming out to
this medication, but anyone else is making the herd. It's
very hard to deal with this. I'm trying to take
care of my health and mental health, and antal health
Services is not letting me no answers. I have reached

(02:00:48):
out to client Relations. Client relations will not comment on
the letter, nor will the corporate level.

Speaker 2 (02:00:56):
Why were you bound from a particular building.

Speaker 10 (02:00:59):
I was told that someone there was afraid of me
from years ago. I was gone for two plus years
from this peninsula, so when I come back, it just
started wrapped a beat. I call it now if you
want or they want to leave it through history. But
I did not have a criminal record or background. I
know I've been accused of threatening people, and I know

(02:01:21):
I'm finally in front of police. Once I asked them,
I said prove it to me, please that I threaten
you if you've got a recording pullet now and get
them to charge me. And so they went and listed
it and nurse you come back said that's no threat.
So I mean, I'm being told this stuff and I'm
having reactions like it's like no, I know that my
paradoxtal effects is how to do this medication overprescribed, and

(02:01:42):
so is my nurse practitioner through eight one one. But
I know how Furst won't acknowledge that that my life
is in danger due to this overprescription. I could any
day go into cardiac arrest or have a seizure. And
I'm not an epileptic, so and I also add to it,
I do have an allergy to artificial sweetness and such.

(02:02:03):
So I had a lot of complications. But they're making
it more difficult. They won't even answer questions for my
emerging contact ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:02:11):
So is there an opportunity for further evaluation of the
band or an appeal or some sort of process where
you can get to the bottom of this.

Speaker 10 (02:02:23):
Well, so far I've been letting all my health Canada
and playing that they've given us a voice. I've tried
to reach it. I'm trying now to reach out to
some malpractics, but I'm poor. Let's just see it. It's
hard to afford anything when you're poor or stand up
for yourself in this level. I have been given it
for an email, for a place to contact to find

(02:02:44):
out this information that I'm being denied. I'm being heavily
encouraged to go to the college for the part the
doctor is playing. So I'm trying my best, but I'm
on my own with all this. It feels like me
against the world. I know everyone doesn't hate me. I
know a lot of understand what I'm going through in
the public, but the thing is what do we do?

(02:03:05):
But like if I'm banned and I'm not like full
answers or what this fear is. They have explain nothing
to me, no time limit which is supposed to be
on a letter for review, and I'm told by this
doctor that I have to prove myself. I'm answering how
do I prove myself if there's no contact at all,
like who reports to who? And he says, I don't know, well.

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
A good start is to college. If we're talking about
a doctor specific concern, there's not fit called client relations
at another health services where you can file form of complaints,
ask questions about things like how and why am I banned?
What do I need to do to overcome this? So
those two areas are doctor specific at the college and
for operations and the band, you should go through client

(02:03:48):
relations I have.

Speaker 10 (02:03:51):
They will not respond to the letter I have emails
here improving, they will not respond to. And corporate level
is a connected they said to connect this. They will
not respond. Like this stuff is ongoing and building and
building and getting worse. I mean, I'm fighting for my
love that it is for being overstrived in the medication.
They can bendit. I ask me to narcotic. There's a
huge issue. One of the substances you can die from withdrawals.

(02:04:12):
I had a hard time getting lined up on the
program because you know, I didn't know this knowledge of
how danger it was all these years, never knew, never
had a clue. So I mean, I'm suffering and I
don't have any kind of real healthcare because this doctor
that is supposed to be the point in contact for
everything doesn't have any answers that I'm asking. So they
specifically made sure that the doctor's made clear also the

(02:04:35):
client relations Marriagetown building and someone in Clarenviolle is inanimous
sort of talking about it. I have no idea what
they're saying. None, zero, and that's one thing that is confusing.
So they are involved, they are aware. I cannot get
a response for the whole thing, but I know that

(02:04:55):
plain elaborate that this letter isn't legit because I had
a Marriagetown building address. It had the phone number for
the doctor's secretary in Beering, and also it was a
hospital by the way, so and the course it only
had the doctor's name there, so it was no signature,
no signature at all.

Speaker 2 (02:05:18):
I wouldn't know where to point you beyond what we've
already discussed her this morning. But you know, being restricted
from access to healthcare seems particularly cruel. I mean, if
there's a way that you get better understanding as to
why things where they are, what you might be able
to do about it would be helpful. Just the fact
that someone might feel fearful as opposed to have experienced

(02:05:40):
a threat already level of violence, they're kind of two
different things. So I'm really sorry to hear that's your
predicament to art and I wish I could help you.
I'm sorry, go ahead, No.

Speaker 10 (02:05:49):
I don't expect your help. I just figured this is
a public interesting it was something being done to me
on this level. It could be done either. I am
a mental health patient I PTSDC, so I mean there's
other people that could be taking advantage. We see how
high the suicide rates, especially in the peninsul Liman, and
therefore when someone mental is not being treated out probably

(02:06:09):
with toalents of witnesses, it is concerned. And that's not
just for me. I mean, I go through it. I
don't mind speaking on it my piece because well you know,
I got a child, and I know I know a
lot of people who have committed suicide, and it's very
upsetting to see that. You know, it seems like a
culture almost, but I figured to where because everyone should,

(02:06:32):
you know, be safe and have no Sorry, it's just
I care a lot, not just about me, but everyone.

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
This is who I am, Gerard. I understand and appreciate
your circumstances. I wish you well let me know if
anything changes further better or I'll try to give some
more thought as to what I think you might be
able to do.

Speaker 10 (02:06:49):
Thank you take care and safe safe to you all.

Speaker 2 (02:06:51):
You too, Gerard, all the best by let's see final
thought goes a lot too. Joe, you're on the air. Yes,
good morning Betty, Orn and Joe.

Speaker 5 (02:07:01):
How are you doing today?

Speaker 7 (02:07:02):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:07:02):
Doing? Okay?

Speaker 7 (02:07:03):
Man?

Speaker 2 (02:07:04):
How about you?

Speaker 8 (02:07:04):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (02:07:05):
I only even take them then, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:07:06):
We only got one?

Speaker 5 (02:07:08):
Yeah, I phone too late, Petty listen, what's desire you talk?
Move East started. Seniors get the tifteen hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:07:16):
Yeah, it's the New Fland Labrador Seniors Benefit. If you
have a net family income of up to thirty thousand
dollars I think and seventy eight thirty thousand and seventy
eight dollars, you could be eligible for a maximum benefit
of fifteen hundred dollars and fifteen hundred and fifty one
dollars and it comes quarterly as part of the GST credit,
so it comes up with you gust. Yeah. So this

(02:07:38):
is funded by the Government of New Fland Labrador, but
it's based on your tax return to the Canada Revenue Agency.
If you're under that threshold, you will get the New
Fland Labrador Seniors Benefits. Something like some fifty thousand seniors
in the province are eligible.

Speaker 5 (02:07:51):
For US, Yes, I may, I only have fall my
Texas the twenty five thousand, Well you're in yeah, yep,
January genius C.

Speaker 2 (02:08:04):
It's part a bunch of twenty twenty five, so you'll
be on that front. It does decrease if you make
more than thirty thousand, although up to forty three thousands,
like three hundred, it gets phased out at a rate
of eleven point sixty six percent of net income increases
in that range that I just described. So you qualify
if you made twenty five grand for the Senior's benefit

(02:08:24):
comes out quarterly maximum benefited of fifteen hundred dollars and
fifteen hundred and fifty one dollars. You've had the last word,
and now you're up fifteen hundred bucks.

Speaker 5 (02:08:33):
I would come though my genius, he comes into mail.

Speaker 2 (02:08:37):
That's right, That's how this will come.

Speaker 3 (02:08:39):
Then.

Speaker 5 (02:08:40):
Ooh okay, thanks Patty, buy your problem.

Speaker 2 (02:08:42):
Joe all the best and you have a nice day
you two pal Bye bye. All right, there we go,
good show today, big thanks to all hands. We will
indeed pick up this conversation again tomorrow morning right here
on VOCM and big Land FM's Open Line on behalf
of the producer David Williams. I'm your host Patty Daily.
Have yourself a say fun, happy day, and go Jay's
go bye bye

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