Wednesday Oct 8th

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is VOCM Open Line call seven oh nine two
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Paddy Daily.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, all right and good morning to you. Thank you
very much for tuning into the program. It's Wednesday, October
the eighth. This is open Line. I'm your host, Patty Daily.
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which is eighty six twenty six. Uh oh, don't look now.
Game three down New York last night between the Blue
Jays and the Yankees. Up six to one early looking good.
Come on with Seattle in the next series. Not so passed.
A couple of errors and a couple of home runs later,
and the Yankees taken nine to six. It's one of

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those games that give you a little bit of an
eerie feeling about how the series has so quickly shifted.
But hey, get another chance of closed them out tonight
in New York again. Okay, just a quick World Series
Nott regarding the Yankees. On this date, October the eighth,
nineteen fifty six, Don Larson for the Yankees pitched the
only World Series perfect game, and he was asked how
it made him feeling, said, I'm so happy. That's it.
That's all he had to say. So a perfect game.

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No one reached base twenty seven up, twenty seven down,
no walks, no hits, no errors. Incredible stuff. All right.
Just a quick hockey note here. People are waiting for
senior hockey being full swing here in the province. Look
for the teams to do exactly as they see fit,
to spend money on players if they see fit. History
is pretty clear it becomes a problem before too long.
So we saw that the quarterback Orrels have signed former

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NHL or and a legitimate tough guy, Donald Brush here.
And now apparently the Derek Redwicks have signed former NHL
goal tender Keith kincaid. I have no worthly idea how
frequently either of those players are going to a for
the respective teams, or what sort of financial arrangements are
in place. I'm sure the fans are looking forward to
seeing former NHL ers on the ice, playing in their
team's colors. But yeah, okay, I'm not so sure how

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big a deal debates are anymore. For some people, it
is really important to see how one political leader stands
up to the other, how they could put their party
platform against the others, differentiate themselves from the other parties,
and maybe just maybe land a blow that sees a
SoundBite appear on the news. So the Leader's Ofate Debate
is tonight. It runs from seven to eight thirty PM, uninterrupted,

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ninety minutes, no commercials, So it's AID debate produced cooperation VOCM, NTV,
CBC and The Telegram. You'll be able to hear it
here live on VOCM and Big Land of FIM's radio
network this evening beginning at seven running through to eight
thirty commercial free. I'm sure I'm absolutely going to take
it in. I don't know about you, but what do
you think of debates and how important are they at

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this moment in time, I'll leave it up to you,
all right. So yesterday was the events and apparently some
twenty five on thy seven hundred and out took an
opportunity to vote in said advance poll. Okay, I don't
know how that number reflects to past provincial elections, but
at the exact same time that many people vote in
the advanced polls. But it will be today, just prior

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to the leader's debate for the Liberals and Theories to
actually release their party platform. The NDP of long been
out there with their costs of platform. You know, when asked,
both Tony Wakem and John Hogan say, hey, we've been
out on the campaign trail making various announcements throughout the course,
and so that will be the items that you'll see
eventually in the party platform. I get that, but I

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don't know how close attention everybody pays to all twenty
eight days of a campaign and listens and takes in
every single announcement, because those announcements do not add up
to a party platform where you can go to one
location and see exactly what one party or another is proposing.
So I understand their position that, hey, we've been making
these announcements. What do you think's in the platform? But
that requires people to follow along extreme really closely. When

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it's a busy time of life for everybody listening. You know,
we're back to school and the seasons are changing, and
life is busy and works omnipresent and everything else in
this world. So we'll get a look at the platforms today.
I don't expect to see much in the way of
anything to earth shattering beyond what we've heard, but people
deserve to have the platforms released, certainly in advance of

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the advanced poll. Your thoughts, all right, A couple of
things yesterday that we will talk about. Number One, the
NDP rightfully continue to focus on campaign finance and talk
about the fact that this province is really an outlier.
Eight out of ten profits in this country have done
away with the wild wild West of massive corporate and
organized labor donations. The Liberals and the Tories in successive

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governments and successive elections they have leaned heavily on corporate
donations and whether it be you actually have cash for
access as the NDP are claiming, the optics of it
amongst the general population is pretty clear. First thing, people say,
or the question that they ask when a contract is
led is I wonder how much that company donated to
that party. It's always the case. So the nDPI believe

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on this front are absolutely on the right track. We
need to do away with it for all the obvious reasons.
And it does, indeed, as mister dinsay, make things a
little bit easier in the fundraising campaign opportunities when you
can lean in on the big donations from the corporations.
So I think that's really wise and I wish all
parties would abide by it personally. And then yesterday we

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have heard a couple of different things the liberals talking
about the tech sector. The tech sector, for some unknown reason,
kind of flies under the radar, considering the fact that
its contribution to the GDP is well an excess of
one point eight billion dollars and look at be targeting
two point five billion dollars by twenty thirty. Tech is everywhere.
It's not just for computer programmers. Just about every company,

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every business, and most every household has an aspect of
tech and innovation right there. So okay, And they're talking
about a strategy to ensure funding programs meet the needs
of the sector, centralized support available, create a task force,
put the priority for government when Crown corporations are going
to the market to focus on local technology partners, which

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always makes sense in the world of government procurement, whether
it be provincially and or federally. They also talk about
the role that tech can play in defense an Arctic sovereignty. Look,
we do have the base at five Wing Goose. We
do indeed have bull Arm that candidate play a role
for maintenance and what have you with the Victoria Class submarines.
So tech requires and I think deserves a little bit
more attension. Mister wakem and the PCs continue to focus

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in on the skilled trades and jobs. So we've heard
about building for fairies here for the introrovincial ferry system.
We've heard about the benefits agreements for if and when
BETA or gets off the ground, whether or not the
Upper Churchill and Gull and all those types of things.
But also talking about access to exposure to the skilled
trades when you're in high school. I'm pretty sure it's

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an elective for high school students throughout the province. In
about maybe over one hundred high school around seventy five
percent of the high schools and the province. Mister Waker
wants to make sure it's available for everybody. So again
wee can day by day, you know, HARKing back to
yesterday's announcement and try to piece together a platform. But
those are some of the things that have been on

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the leader's minds as of yesterday. You want to take
it on, let's go and as the kind of the
post strike drags on. Unfortunately, when I was told that
people could get their GST check at the post office,
it's not true. My bad. Now, that's what I was told,
And of course now all of a sudden it's not
the case. So don't think about it, don't do it.
The only check is going to be mailed out or

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socioeconomic check, social assistance in otherwise, but no GST check.
Another interesting one that's brought forward by a Twitter listener
is if you renewed your MCP card online. That's a
good question. So it has been mailed out, it's through
no fault of your own. So how sticky are some
clinics going to be regarding the fact that you may
have it unexpired MCP card. That's a really good question.

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I think think the owners is on NL Health Services
to give direction to hospitals and various clinics that if
you show up with an expired MCP card, we should
be able to have access to MCP's portal to just
show and to verify it. Look, I did the right thing.
I renewed my MCP card. I haven't received it in
the mail, but there you go, so talk about that,
no problem. I've also been asked, and I guess this

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just comes from a conversation, whether it be at a
coffee shop or amongst a group of friends or in
some particular communities. But I've been asked, when is the
new rural property tax going to be implemented by the government.
That's not a thing, though, and so I'm glad someone
emailed about it, because all that really happened was when
they amended the legislation. It allowed for municipalities to apply

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a property tax, to apply a business tax. The government
isn't directing them to do that. And then there's exemptions
for agricultural property and what have you. Housing there's some
exemptions and housing amendments that have been included in that legislation,
but there is not a wide, sweeping general rural property
taxes to be implemented by the government. That's not certainly
nothing that's been said, and the legislation does not indicate that.

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But it's been a pretty popular email subject over the
last couple of days, so that's the case there also,
and I get this reference every now and then. It's
about first responders and their ability to find you where
you are. It's so smaller, more rural, remote communities who
for some of them don't have civic addresses. If I
was a resident to one of these communities and worried

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about that, because let's just say you called nine to
one one and needed an ambulance dispatched, not every dispatcher
or every ambulance driver or paramedic can distinguish between it's
Nanny Green's house three doors down from the white picket
fence in the corner of Da Da DA. That's probably
not good enough. So you can encourage your leaders in
incorporated communities and unincorporated communities to simply go to the

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Government of Newfland labradors nine to one one division. They'll
send you out a kid and when the numbers are registered,
it'll be part of the government's nine one one dispatch.
This so I hear that all the time, and if
I'm a resident, I'm encouraging my leaders to please take
advantage of that. It's a pretty fundamental process. Just go
right to the nine one one division and get the
kit and there you go. You get the data, the maps,

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the spreadsheets needed to update what they call the next
generation nine to one one database. So anyway, there you go.
All right, what's this? Oh yeah, interesting story from Rob
Antel and the folks over at the Seed this morning
regarding hearkening back to the Green Report the Premier's Economic
Recovery team. We were told it was a critically important

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examination of the fiscal realities of the province and a
potential pathway forward, whether it be some of the recommended
privatization issues and selling oil equity assets, but a keen
focus on the financial stability given the debt and deficit.
Here's a quote, and good on Roper putting this together.
Here's a quote from a six to twenty twenty one.

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We can write the ship, but we have to face facts.
And the facts were just remember back to when Premier
Ball was reaching out the federal government because the thought
was that just maybe we couldn't make payroll, and then
you know, there's thought we could not secure long term borrowing,
which turns out we did make payroll and we were
able to secure long term boring. There's also reference in

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the story, and I didn't get a chance to read
too deep into it, but when we look at numbers
of regarding the total debt of the province, I assume
this includes a bunch of pension liabilities and yes, the
level of debt that we already are suffering and smothering under.
But again, no pathway forward. It just feels like, well,

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we'll just keep borrowing, or if things go terribly bad,
then we'll just rely on the federal government that could
come with some pretty harsh restrictions. So again for all
the political leaders, I know Jim Didnt's talking about, you know,
getting into surplus at the end of the term if
the NDP were successful in this particular election, but no
real understanding about how we're going to deal with this.

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For all the things that people need and want. If
we're spending a billion dollars plus per year simply to
service a debt, not to chip away at the debt,
debt to service the debt, it's obviously unsustainable and so
good a rapper putting back on the front burner that
particular issue as it pertaining to the Premier's economic recovery
team led by Dame way Green. So I thought that

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was important. How about you all right? So there was
a trip of the Labrador Island a link overnight, didn't
I pact all customers did? Impacted a huge swath of
customers of Newfland Labrador Hydro, and of course they produced
about ninety percent of the electricity consumed on the islands.
And of course the Labrador Island Link bring a muscraft
false power to the island and down through the long
Range Mountain the Souldiers Pond. You know the deal. Yesterday

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extensive conversation, extended amount of time with Mike Wilson. Mike
was one of the first three appointed to the independent
Oversight Panel looking at the Upper Churchill Memorandum of Understanding,
and you all know the deal. He resigned for a
variety of reasons, the impaired independence of the panel itself
and a variety of other price cost value concerns. Today

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and thankfully the CEO of Neufland Laborator Hydro, Jennifer Williams
will join us on the program to speak to some
of what mister Wilson or the points that mister Wilson made.
It is important to note that during Caretaker Convention, through
this campaign, you know, I don't think we're going to
be able to get response to specific people or specific
parties or what have you, but we can, indeed and

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will talk about some of the concerns that have been voiced,
and you can pick what you think are the most
important issues that we must deal with with Jennifer Williams
this morning, and we'll do our level best to incorporate
it into the conversation given the fact that we're looking
at fifty sixty years worth of ramifications regarding what is
still a negotiation. An MoU is not binding, but people

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have concerns, and so we'll try to get as much
information as we can so that you are indeed informed
as best possible. All Right, how we doing? Not there, Dave,
We've probably got a lot kicking around because we had
an interesting show yesterday. All right, So I heard Bill
Sterling from the Real Estate Association talking about just how
expensive homes we're getting here and the bidding war for homes,

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and you hear it all the time. Then you look
at the National conversation and we did away with apparently
the Housing Accelerator Fund and now we're relying on build
Canada homes. A keen focus of it will be modular homes.
It has been a failure in some areas, but it
has been extraordinarily successful in others. So again, we're not
reinventing the wheel. If we look at the Swedish model

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or the japan model, both countries have been doing this
for decades with great success. So there will be concerns
about the companies that get the contracts for building these
modular homes, and they have to be designed to the
point where people actually want to live in them. But
we've been talking about modular homes and tiny homes on
this program for a long time. You know, if we
continue to lean on the traditional build of single detached homes,

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will be a month, will be forever in a day
to build. The amount of homes or the number of
homes required to hit one are the targets. Four point
eight million homes associate the the Canada Mortgage and Housing
Corporation to be built by twenty thirty. And that's not
only about access it's also about affordability, so housing here,
whether it be a lot of the strings and the

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hurdles that have to be cleared at the municipal level,
but we've really got to get a bit more detail.
And apparently Build Canada Homes isn't going to kick in
the full swing until next year. But the need is
today and there's a variety reasons why. And we can
include the immigration conversation on that front, because that's part
of it, absolutely is, of course, it is a couple
of very quick ones before we get to you. Oh,
today is election day here in the city of Saint John's.

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We'll have a lot of corverat share on VOCM for
your consideration later on this evening. And a couple of
quickies when referencing the Prime Minister's trip to the Oval
Office yesterday. No word as to whether or not there's
been any relief granted regarding the tariff specifically on steel
and aluminum, which currently said that fifty percent. It's not
only a problem for producers here, it's been a huge

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problem for consumers there south of the border, at the
corporate level and all the way through the consumer So
we don't know, but what is curious out of left
field for me anyway, is reinvigorating the Keystone pipeline Keystone
Excel pipeline potential from Alberta into the northwest. So I
think it's from Hardesty, Alberta into Nebraska. The Obama administration

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nixed it in Trump's first term. He brought it back
on track. When Biden got elected, he axed it. Now
and of course we've heard the President say he'd like
to see that built, and now apparently Prime Minister Curreny
is talking about the possibility for it. And at the
exact same time out in Alberta, of course, Premier Daniel
Smith putting forward what she calls a stress test for
Canada as to whether or not the government is going

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to capitulate to demands regarding overriding BC jurisdictional authorities to
see a pipeline built from the oil sends a bitchman
pipeline to the north coast where there's a tanker band
in place. So there's big load of demands and saying
this should be on the major projects list, but also
where's the where's the proponent beyond the government of Alberta.

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I think that's an important question because if we're talking
about shovel already projects, it's not there's not even a
proponent talking about it other than the premiere. So again,
just consider people rightfully consider whether or not Quebec should
be allowing a bit more access to the grid and
the free flow of energy, whether it be for pipelines
or electricity or whatever the case may be. Just paint

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this picture, and I wish that was the case, and
that would change everything. Just paint the picture of Let's
say a Quebec proponent said we'd like to build massive
offshore wind off the coast of Labrador and bring that
power through Labrador into Quebec and to supply their markets.
We'd say, what, what are you talking about? So I
think it's a similar conversation, and that stress test in

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Alberta is real. In addition to that, the Premier of
Alberta keeps getting asked about Alberta's sovereignty and contends that
she's not doing that and it's not her doing. It's
her doing that proposed legislation that lowered the bar dramatically
for petition signaturs to force a referendum. So there's a

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lot going on out there that some of it, of
course is nonsense, but some of the courses obviously extremely important.
All right, Rod Twitter, we're vosim upline, follow us there,
email addresses, open line at FIOSM dot com. When we
go back, let's have a great show. We're going to
talk about aquaculture, healthcare, whatever you want to talk about.
Don't go away, welcome back to the show. I meant
to mention this off the top, and this is not
a commentary offered about exactly what's going on people's personal

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political stance on the conflict, the war, the ethnic cleansing
or the genocide and Gaza. But there are three New
Finlanders who by all accounts have been detained and people
might refer to as abducted by Israel. They were part
of one of the floatillos. So that's Devoni Ellis, the
key to Stapleton and Sadie Mees have not been heard from.
So regardless of what you think, it's probably pretty important

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to reach out to your elected officials to voice your concerns.
If that is a concern that you share, to say that,
and here we go. Let's begin this morning online. Number one.
Good morning, Sharon, you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Hi, Good morning, Sharon Picket, I just wanted to let
your listeners know that our protest against the successive amount
of sam and die off coming into our community. For
having a protest this morning ten o'clock at the intersection

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of Maidstone Saint David's and I encourage anybody in the
area who is dealing with this and experience it to
come out and support.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Us, Sharon and fair enough and hopefully people do. But
paint a picture of what you're seeing in your community
regarding the mass die offs and whether it be the
smell or the amount of truck stop or down the road.
Just paint has a picture here what you're seeing.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Well, there's up to ten tractor trailer loads a day
going past my home to New World Dairy, to the
anaerobic digest the wind usually constantly every day we have
the smell. But like when the wind is northwest is

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our most prevailing wind, and that's when we're most affected
and we can't breathe, we can't go outside. Like people
have moved away from the area because they don't have
a quality of life here anymore, and like this was
known as a big tourist area, and like even people

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as far away as the trans Kansa highway and at
the irving up on the highway are getting to smell
like all areas and people have to drive through the
area where the smell is so intense, Like driving through it,
you know, you could make you want to throw up,

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it's so intense. And like with all these die offs,
and they're saying it's cause because of global warming. If
that's the case, and they're trying to expand this, what
effect are we going to have? Like what effects is
it going to have on our area? And now this

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die off that took place in August, this waste from
this is supposed to be trucked into the community until
the end of October the middle of November. Now in
the last week they've announced that there's another major die off,
and as usual, the numbers are lower than what they

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actually are till it comes out. So like what's the recourse,
Like government didn't have a plan for this and for
the extent that this is And as far as I understand,
the only areas where this is being disposed of is
Burgil at the fish meal plant, who are dealing with

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the same thing that's impacting them severely. Like one man's
b and b down there. He has all the gurry
and blubber and around his wharf. You know, people are
the same as we are. You can't go out in
your yard for a walk, you can't do anything. You

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can't open the window, you can't hand clothes on the line.
And like I said, tourism adds from the Government of
Newfouland shows children running free in the fields and windows
open with the curtains flapping in the breeze. And you know,
like we're denied everything. We're denied even thought our door

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to go out, Like yesterday I had to go take
my garbage to and I knew how intense the snow was,
and just the thought of taking out my garbage, like
you know, like that's not something you should even have
to think about, Like can I go take my garbage
to the camp? You know, it's so wrong, And everybody

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in environment and government and these agencies are ignoring our concerns.
Like we went through this and went public in twenty nineteen,
Department of Environment did nothing, nothing to address our concerns.
And I suggest what's happening here now is worse than

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twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
It certainly sounds like a terrible predicament, you know, And
the question's long term is if if it's issues with
warming water and the lack of inflow and rain to
you know, encourage the carrents and all this kind of nonsense,
and the lack of oxygen or oxygen depletion, there's no
reasonable it's going to get better into the future. So

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it is important for the government to acknowledge what's going
on here and discuss the topic. You know, I don't
know if we're going to see even a business model
cost benefit from some of the agricultural companies because it's
cost them enomenal leg as well. So when you analyze
how much my cost mover the operations on shore and
then consequently have all the controls right there with the
provision of oxygen to regulate the temperature of the water,

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to have a better control of sea lice, if all
those things are going to be much more costly to
operate on shore, I'd be surprised. So I'd be curious
to hear what's going to happen into the future with agriculture.
And look, I know it has been an economic savior
for many communities. I know that to be true. Sharon,
give the details to where the win for the protest
one more time.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
We're holding at ten am at the intersection of Maidstone
Saint David's and like we have to get the points
out there, and like what you your comments, what you
just said, the residents of Bay Saint George South can

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be likened to the salmon that are in those pins.
We are denied oxygen, we are exposed to chemicals, toxins, whatever,
disease and no one is listening, and like this is
not a small thing. This is an extreme Like ten

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tractor trailer loads a day trucked six hundred and five
kilometers one way from Hermitage Bay to Maidstone. What is
the environmental pack impact of that alone? Government closed all
the local provincial incinerators garbage incinerators because of the environmental impact.

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What is the environmental impact on this? And there's not
one person in government my opinion, the Liberals approve this.
They've just approved three more extension on south coast and
three more in lets closer to Virgil. PCs are supporting

(26:09):
it because Tony Wakem was at a conference and heard
on the news he's saying it's supporting twenty five hundred jobs.
Like I said, I don't believe it. Maybe the twenty
five hundred jobs is created by cleaning up this garbage.
And the only one who has given us any bit

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of support and encouragement is the NDP. And when this
die off happened in August, I heard jimm Din on
your show speaking against it. And these are people who
work in biodiversity and understand what this is doing to
the environment. Nobody in government knows what this is doing

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to our environment and is not only on the South coast,
and what it's doing to the Why Sama, it's what
it's doing to the residence of each area here Bay
ain't our South and Virgil our life, quality of life
is taken away, and it's time for somebody in there
to have the guts to stand up against this. And like,

(27:17):
I'm not voting Liberal or PC. I know how Karm
you're met with us, and he was sympathetic, he smelled it,
he witnessed it. But if his leader is accepting it
and saying it's okay, well that made my decision right.
And we haven't heard anything else, So like you know,

(27:41):
and like we appreciate anybody's help to help to bring
attention to this and see if somebody will act and
we can get.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I appreciate okay, so no.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
I appreciate the time to be able to voice their concerns.
And TV supposed to be covering our story today, so
hopefully we'll get the word out to somebody who cares.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Thank you, Sharon, thank you. You're welcome. Bye bye. All right,
let's get a break and dunk away. Welcome back to
the show. Let's go to len number five. Second more
to the executive director at Trades and now that's Bob Fiander. Bob,
you're on the air, Hi, Patty, how you doing? That's kind?
How about you?

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Too? Bad? Book? I'd like to talk about Debta or
top sides this morning, Patty. That's all right it is.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Before we get into that, Bob, just let me ask
you a question, because you know, at one point in history,
endorsements were a big deal, whether it be high profile
individuals or organized labor or whatever the case may be.
So what's the process that Trades and now to come
up with an individual decision to endorse twenty wakem of
the PCs? Do you have a you know, informal poll

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of your members or is that made strictly at the
executive level, just talk us through how he arrived at it.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
For sure. We have a collective body there, her Board
of Business Managers and they are the directors of Trades NL,
and we brought all the information back that came back
from the parties and we took a private boat vote
in among the fourteen business managers and it was emphatically
to support Tony Wakem in the PC party because of

(29:22):
their platform.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, fair enough. People ask me the question and I
had no real idea exactly how it was arrived out
of Trades and L so I thought I'd start there
and now we can move off into the top sides.
What's on your mind this morning?

Speaker 5 (29:36):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (29:36):
So the three parties have responded to the question on
the top sides, and if it's okay with you, I'd
like to read the question and then quickly read the
answers from the leaders.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
So the question was, well, a government led by you
commit that if equinor wants to extract the benefits of
the people's resource, that significant level of top sides construction
occurs in New from Line and Labrador by newfoun Landers
and Labradorians. So the Liberal Party response was this The
Liberal Party believes strongly that Newfoundlanders and Labradorians should benefit

(30:09):
from the development of any of our province's valuable natural resources.
This includes oil and gas projects. A Liberal government is
committed to seeing that construction slash fabrication take place here
at home, wherever possible, and be carried out by newfoun
Landers and Labradorians. So I have an issue with the
wherever possible. I guess you know wherever possible? Is that

(30:32):
ambiguous and it could be maybe it's not possible, Jim
din NDP. It was an emphatic yess. There's no need
to have construction carried out elsewhere in the world when
we have trained and capable workforce and facilities here for construction.
This isn't about fairness, it's about smart economics. Trades NL
research shows the economic benefit of minimum construction thresholds. When

(30:55):
Newfoundlanders and Labradorians build our province, everyone benefits. Exactly what
you'd like to hear from leadership Tony Wakem in the
PC Party. A PC government under my leadership will work
to make sure that the Beta Ore project proceeds and
to make sure that a significant level of construction occurs
in Newfoundland and Labrador Trade ZNL has recommended benchmarks for

(31:15):
resource development on oil and gas projects and hydro developments
and Newfoundland and Labrador I am committed to working with
union leaders to incorporate these recommendations into a modern and
revised benefit agreements used for resource development projects. Again, Patty emphatic, Yes,
exactly what you would like to see from leadership in
this province. And I'm going to jump into what an

(31:38):
argument is that the developers try to make these days,
is the life of field argument. Well, the life of
field argument has flaws, Patty. We've seen recently in the
news with Exi Mobile slashing two thousand jobs across the country,
Newfoundland and Labrador is going to be affected there. So
there is no certainty in the life of field. We

(31:58):
can't look out ten years or fifteen years and know
what's going to happen. So we don't have the certainty
of life and field. But what we can be certain
about is construction levels on these resource projects. We know
what we got going in and to be honest with you,
all of the projects that we've done in the past,
we took part in the construction and we took part
in the life of field. We're there on the fabrication,

(32:20):
the construction, the integration, work, operations, maintenance. So that's how
you win in this province. We get a piece of
all of them.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Bob, you would be intimately familiar with about life of field.
Is what are you referring to. I mean, that's the
regulatory framework that begins with exploration and all the way
through abandonment, all the way through decommissioning, so environmental protection,
safety centdards like all of that, that's what you're referring
to as life of field.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Well, look for Patty, we always tend to get wrapped
up in the life of field because we're getting caught
out of this work and so they're trying to sell it.
Then the life of field is good for this project.
We need to construct the work home right here, Patty,
We've gone on this work in the past. I'm getting
tired of saying it. Like Newfoundlanders and Labradorians deserve to

(33:05):
go to work on these projects, there's no question about it.
And we should have leadership in this province not saying
maybe we should be saying we are going to develop
and construct.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Fair enough, and I understand your position on this one,
this is not really directly associated with what we're talking about.
But it is always a question for me when we
talk about why we're so held bent for leather to
have an equity piece of an offshore oil development as
opposed to royalties and super royalties, because with an equity
stake also requires a responsibility at the end of life.
I mean, the bannerment and decommissioning of an offshore oil

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field is not cheap, no, for sure.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
But what we've seen in the Hibernia project in years
gone by, the federal government took an equity stake in
that project and to put a lot of people to
work in this province, kick started the offshore construction industry
and now the benefits that have been reaped from that
on the federal government and provincial government side.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
From royalties, probably the best decision was ever made.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, And of course little different circumstances. Had the federal
government not intervened at the time, there might not have
been a Hibernia, right.

Speaker 7 (34:12):
So well, that's exactly right, Patty, And you know something,
that's what we'd like to see here now, maybe federal
government intervention and inequity stake and put people to work
in Newfoundland and Labrador.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
We're talking about nation building projects. Data ORD could be
a showcase for that, for sure.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I appreciate the time as usual, Bob, thanks a lot.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Well, Patty, I want to leave you with this. I
think canight in the debate, the question should be asked
and it should be a pointed question each of the
party leaders. Do you support the construction of the top
side of the Beta ORD right here? Or Newfoundland and Labrador.
Let's see what they got to say.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I appreciate it, Bob, and I would imagine that type
of question has obviously got to be on the agenda.
I have nothing to do with the questions tonight, but
I can only assume jobs and natural resources will be
part of the conversation. I appreciate your time, Bob, stayin touch.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Absolutely you certainly reaching fifty or sixty thousand people at
a or Patty, so like that. That's a warranted question.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Absolutely, no question, Thanks Bob. Thanks Patty, You're welcome by Bie.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, we can only imagine natural resources and consequentially, employment
opportunities have got to be part of it, which you
know will lead some people to continued concern about jobs.
If and when an MoU becomes a variety of definitive
agreements or contracts. It's going to be a big question,
you know, even if you just look at golf specifically,

(35:36):
if HWD you Gobec has taken responsibility and assuming the
risk and liability and the pre work that you know,
engineering and design and otherwise will be done in Quebec,
it does beg the question about how jobs upon or
during construction phase, what that actually looks like, because we
keep being told it's a similar agreement to benefits at
Muskrat it was qualified members of Innu nation, then the

(35:59):
rest of than the rest of the island and the
rest of the country, then the rest of the world.
Because we do know Quebec and Hydro Quebeca have been
very protective over jobs. Let's get a break in when
we come back. Plenty show left for you. Don't go away,
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to Lenumer three
sagamore to the mere Burgio. That's Trevor Green and good morning,
Mayra Green. You're on the air.

Speaker 8 (36:19):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Are you today?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
It's bad as all? How about you?

Speaker 5 (36:22):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Pretty good?

Speaker 9 (36:24):
We'll calling in today just to bring some light onto
a possible idea. I guess that the tann of Bergio
has So it's been brought to our attention that there's
I believe it's twenty or so whales in Marineland that
need to be relocated due to the fact that they're
still in captivity. There was an option in Nova Scotia
which ended up falling through. So it was brought to

(36:47):
our attention that you know, we might have an ideal
situation here. So we have a cove here now cove.
I think it's a great spot. It's natural conditions, sheltered waters,
it's abundant fish proximmity with this proximity to Virgio and
fishing and agriculture. Basically, I guess we're calling in today.

(37:08):
I just wanted to bring somebody to it. I know
a lot of our government representatives listen to your show,
and so they should you get to connect with your
people and hear what the problems are. So, like I said,
right now, is just a plan. It's just in very
early talks, but it's something that we certainly would like
to consider and look at, seeing if it's even feasible
and going forward with it.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I just want to make sure I'm familiar with what
we're talking about. So are we talking about marine land
in Ontario, whether it's threatening to euthanize some thirty Beloga whales.
The government has refused to fund some export of them,
So that's what we're talking about.

Speaker 9 (37:42):
That is what we're talking about. Yeah, So basically the
government decided not fund them to go to China just
because they would be back in captivity and that's that's
not what they want, right, So this will give us
an opportunity to have a great lead new plank could
lead the country in the marine Stewart's and ural innovation here.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Well, there's certainly plenty of blug of whales off the
course of this province and up into approaching the Arctic.
So you say the conversations early, what you give us
a bit more information about what kind of conversation, what'
kind of reception you're getting?

Speaker 9 (38:16):
So right now, we, like I said, it's still very early.
We've sent some letters off to mister Hogan, mister wakem
Minister Thompson and as well as caroly Anstein and Michael King.
We haven't heard back from anybody as of yet. Understand Ly,
I know we're in the middle of the election, so
that kind of puts things on pause a little bit.
And we've also been in talks with some other investors
and stuff that are willing to help support and fund

(38:38):
some of this, So ASF is one of those.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
They're the ones that.

Speaker 9 (38:41):
Actually brought it to our attention and said, here's a
great opportunity, something that I don't even say would come
along once in a lifetime.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, it's it's an interesting story. It's also a little
bit of an odd story. Have you also, you know,
in addition to reaching out to political leaders and the
folks at Marineland, do you have any real understanding about
the logistics of transporting wales to your area, Because of
course you can put wales into the wild, there's no
guarantee that they won't end up in the South Coast

(39:11):
Fjords as opposed to where you'd like them to be
for tourism opportunities or what have you. So any logistical
conversations being had not as.

Speaker 9 (39:18):
Of yet, Patty. We like I said, we're still very
early conversations. I'm hoping over the next couple of weeks
to try and get some more information and be able
to speak to it a lot better than what I
am today. But no, no, we haven't had those conversations
as yet.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
And this might be a silly question, but what are
you hoping to achieve. Let's just go down the road
and say that this gets done. What do you think
it would mean to your community?

Speaker 9 (39:42):
I think it would be huge for our community. Obviously
there will be a few jobs related to it, I
would assume. And just the Virgo's part of Burgo's town
plan is tourism, and what a way to bring tourism
to Virgio in South Coast New Zealand. I mean, people
often pay big money to go on a whale watching
tour and don't see anything, and you could pretty much

(40:03):
come to Vergio and be guaranteed your fantasies.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Often well, I mean people come from all over the world.
We take things for granted here, like to see a
Humpbacker being the Saint Vincent see Humpbacker, to be on
the south coast and see Beluga in the fjords. We
just think that that's very normal and everyone gets that experience.
It's not true. People come here for that and that alone.

Speaker 9 (40:22):
Right, And I definitely think it would bring a big
spotlight to the South coast New Planks.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, probably would I'd be curious to hear what the
next round of conversations sounds like, and you know, evaluating
the potential or the possibility for this to even happen,
and what has to be involved for this to happen.
So this kind of came out of left field for me.
I am familiar with the story at Marine Land itself
and the government's refusal to pay for any transport or

(40:50):
export of those belugas, and I don't know where it
stands today, but please do indeed, when this evolves, let
me know.

Speaker 9 (40:58):
Oh most definitely, yes, definitely call back in and give
everybody an update and where we're at.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
And this is not intended to be saucy. But what
would you say to someone says this is a crazy idea.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Well, to be.

Speaker 9 (41:12):
Honest, I don't think it's crazy. I think it's an
incredible opportunity for Virgil of the South Coast and Newfland
as a province. And like I said, it's a great
way for Newfland to lead the country and marine stewardship
and real innovation and offer these wills a sanctuary where
they don't have to be euthanized.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
We'd be part of the good news story because euthanizing
thirty blogas is the bad news story currently being discussed
in the province of Ontario. How does this dovetail with
the conversation for Guidan to opposed National Marine Conservation Area.

Speaker 9 (41:46):
Yeah, so we have reached out to Parks Canada. We
haven't heard back yet to see if there's interesting this
at all. Obviously, I think the two really kind of.

Speaker 10 (41:54):
Go hand in hand.

Speaker 9 (41:55):
I mean, to have a marine conservation area and the
Lugas Sanctuary those who really do coincide with each other.
But again to Parks Canada, if they want to be
part of that or not, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yes, And of course then you'd have to square that
circle between the relationship of aquaculture and the possibility for
the conservation area and the possibility for Belugas. So there's
there's a reason why there's nothing easy in this world.
Oh you're telling me, Mayor Green, I appreciate the time,
keep me in the loop.

Speaker 9 (42:24):
I will thank you very much for the time today, Patty.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
You're welcome. All the best, All right, bye, there you go.
Uh yeah, I didn't see that coming, but anyway, let's
keep going. Line number two second, more to the independent
candidate running out Mount Pearl Southlands Paul Lane. Paul, you're
on the air.

Speaker 8 (42:41):
Good morning, Patty. How are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
To bad talk? How about you?

Speaker 8 (42:45):
I'm best trying, sir. That was a very interesting conversation.
I won't expecting that one other.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
No me neither.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
I don't even know if it's realistic, but if it's
worth chasing it. So he thinks it's a potential boom
to the area.

Speaker 8 (42:55):
Why not, Hey, listen, no harm and wing it, Patty.
I just wanted to speak with you today, and we've
sort of talked about this stuff before, around the whole
concept I guess of community safety. You know, we all
know that. I think you know, the priority issues that

(43:17):
you hear from people all the time, at least I do,
is is the issues around the cost of living and healthcare.
There's no doubt that that's right up there for sure.
But another one that I've heard a lot at the
doors going around this time around, and perhaps it was
spurred on by you know, those couple of unfortunate instants
that happened in our community several months ago, But it's

(43:42):
the whole issue of community safety and policing and the
drug problem. That we have in our province, including here
in Mount Pearl. So I just wanted this to speak
to it again. And first of all, there's no easy
solution to this stuff, especially when it comes to the
drug issue, and I understand that. But one of the

(44:06):
things that I and others have called on for, you know,
for the last couple of years for sure in the
House Assembly, I know Helen, Helen Conway, Attenheimer and myself
and others, is the fact that we don't have enough
air in c presence and URCMP as well in the
rural areas to deal with the crime. And you know,

(44:26):
we've we've we've called on the government to act in
that regard, and of course they'd say, oh, well, we
just hired the thirty officers, but there's no point in
hiring thirty if twenty nine of them just retired, So
that decade a net benefit of one. And now I'm
hearing the government. I'm pretty sure I heard in one
of their announcements talking about I think the Premier said

(44:48):
eighty to one hundred officers somewhere in that neighborhood. I
don't want to put out fouls info, but it was
a significant number of hires I believe they said that
was required. It's amazing to me that it's requ wired now.
It wasn't required six months ago, a year ago, two
years ago, when we kept raising it and we were saying,
oh no, we got lots of resources, all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
We don't.

Speaker 8 (45:08):
But I think that we do need to look at
the policing level the Inner Province, both in rural areas
with the RCMP and certainly here in my area and
the metro area when it comes to RNC. I also
agree with Helen when she talks about the need for
bail reform and to deal with this whole catch and

(45:29):
release situation that we have with some of these reef
especially when it comes to violent and repeat offenders. But
the other piece around the drugs, and this is a
big problem. And never before since I've been in Mount
Pearl have I heard so many people now commenting about
the fact that they're finding syringes and stuff on the

(45:51):
walking trails near the playgrounds and so on. Is not
something we ever had to deal with. I know you
did hear perhaps more of it in cert certain areas
of the city of Saint John's in the center city
area and so on. Now we're starting to have that problem,
certainly here in Mount Perl and throughout the province. It
is a big concern for sure. And you know, when

(46:12):
it comes to those issues, I think it's not just
policing that needs to be involved here. I think we
need to address the issue of addictions that we have
in the province. And you know that relates to not
only having places like the new place that was that's
out on Salmon air Line, which I think is a
great thing. It's too bad that private industry had to

(46:33):
come forward to the government versus government taking that initiative
on its own to try to get these places in place,
but at least we have one now. But also, once
somebody goes to a drug treatment program, we also have
to make sure that there's ongoing supports and that there's
sober living houses and so on. You can't take someone
out of a drug treatment program, get them clean, and

(46:55):
then throw them a shelter with a bunch of people
that are still addicted and using drugs. Yeah, so there's
a lot to it, for sure.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
If you don't start with the scourge of addiction. And
we're missing the boat. In the most recent budget here,
the Liberals did put for it. I think it was
fifty million dollars to talk about hiring five errant C
officers Happy Valley, Goose Bay, ten more for the Northeast Avalan.
The year prior, they had money for ten additional errant
C officers. With the expanded geographical footprint and responsibility of

(47:23):
the errantcy, the Liberals have talked about hiring ninety new
police officers or part of ME ninety new errancy recruits
by twenty thirty. I'm pretty sure the number is. They've
increased the bursary to twentyzy from fifteen to try to
incentivize people to join the force. The PCs have promised
or pledged forty six additional law enforcement officers. I think
it was twenty five with the Mounties and twenty one

(47:44):
with the Constabulary. So yeah, that's all fine, but that's
got to come with more Crown prosecutors. It also has
to come with and I believe the starting point is
absolutely in addictions treatment. And that's not just you know,
the Department of Justice. That's the community that's the Department
of Community Health, a part of ME healthcare and community services.
It's part of the infrastructure development, it's part of housing,

(48:05):
it's a part of education. So we just have a
we do poor job, you know when we silo all
these things off, because addictions is not just a healthcare issue.
It's broader than that. It's justice, it's education, it's housing,
it's healthcare. So I think if you don't start there,
then you're just you know, making announcements for the sake
of Paul anything else this morning before we run out
of time, no Patty.

Speaker 8 (48:28):
That was basically my message for this morning.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
And you're right, it is a big issue.

Speaker 8 (48:34):
It does involve numerous departments of government and so on
working together instead of working in silos. And I just
think that, you know, somebody really needs to sit down
to the.

Speaker 11 (48:48):
Table and.

Speaker 8 (48:50):
Put all these things together and the look at ways
that we can prevent crime, because, let's face it, a
lot of the crime that is happening, especially when you
hear about people saying, you know, my care was broken into,
my shed was broken into, my house was broken into,
a lot of these things not saying all, but I
would say a large proportion of them are somehow connecting

(49:12):
back to drugs and connecting back to addictions. So we
need to do a better job in dealing with people
that are that are that are having these problems and
to try to try to deal with that. But at
the same time, people also have to be able to
live in safety in their communities and that's going to
require boots on the ground in terms of er NCRCMP,

(49:32):
and I certainly would support that as well. Appreciate the time, Paul,
thank you, Thank you, Patty, and have a great day
you too.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Bye bye gey bye. Just very quickly and as brought
forward by a listener regarding the balloon conversation, which is
interesting stuff. You know what a cost of care for
the Belugas at Marineland two million dollars a month. Well,
big press tack. Let's take a break, Betty. You stay
right here to talk healthcare, and then whatever else you
want to talk about, you can do it after this.
Don't go away. Welcome back. Let's go to line number four.

(50:00):
Good morning, Betty, you're on the air.

Speaker 11 (50:03):
Good morning, and are you today, Patty?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Very well? How about you?

Speaker 11 (50:07):
Well, First of all, I like to say that me
and my husband did listen to you every morning for
many years. He actually even found in a few times.
But I want to talk about the Healthcare. Last July,
he ended up with what he thought was a sore
cross went to the doctor. He knew something was wrong,

(50:30):
and it took from July to December to get a
scope put down, and we'd done that on December eleventh
and it was told right away that it was as
the jail cancer. Then it took from then to January
to get into the cancer clinic where he had a
pet scan. Don that was close to Christmas when we

(50:52):
got the results back in well, we went in December
and in January when they got the result spec We
never ever met with a team of doctors. We met
with an individually, a surgeon and one for chemo, one
for radiation, and they all told us the same story
that it was contained the lower saphikus. So they were

(51:16):
going to go in with all this twenty eight radiation,
six chemos shrinket and then have the surgery and that
would be a pull up. And we were very lucky
that it wasn't in the top part of the susaphikus
because it was up there with the beIN no surgery.
So we started the treatments in February and the end

(51:37):
of his fourth week we used to see one doctor,
the chemo doctor on Friday and the radiation doctor on Monday.
The surgeon we never see no more than later. And
at the end of the four weeks we asked or
Keith asked l big was his the tumor when we
started the treatment, and the doctor she looked at it

(52:00):
and said, how am I supposed to tell you that?
You know how many patients I see in the run
of a day. Monday, when we had our appointment the
radiation doctor, we asked him. He said, I'll do better
than that. I'll show you. So we took us into
the office. He told us how big that one was.
He also told us that there was two lymph nodes

(52:23):
we can surn their neat and also the top part
of the sosophagus. So we had three doctors individually that
lied to us. I believe he would never have had
treatments if he would have been informed properly. But he
was in for a pennies, in for a pound now
he decided to finish them. So we went through the

(52:45):
treatments like the trooper. He actually drove in and drove
out with him, but he did do all the driving
and after the treatments There was more stories in between,
but you haven't got long enough to listen to it.
But after the treatments, we were supposed that five weeks later,
I have a pet scam, but we were informed that

(53:07):
the pet scam was booked up, so we would have
to settle for a cat scin So I didn't like
that too much, but it was what it was, and
he ended up getting very sick, having to go to
hospital in our area. At the time, I don't know
if I'm allowed to mention.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
The hospital, so sure, go ahead, and.

Speaker 11 (53:27):
Yeah, it was Carabonair Hospital and we had to get
down there twice, twelve to fifteen hours each time, and
it was brutal and he had anteumon yet wasn't getting
cleared up. Then he was on two different medications. One
day had a reaction and couldn't get out to the
cancer clinic to send out another prescription. He wasn't well

(53:52):
enough to go to Cabnair, so I had to take
it down to All Perlican, which I got to say,
the best hospital you could go to, compassion, good care.
In and out, everything was fine. So we'll fast forward
into we were supposed to go in to see the

(54:13):
surgeon five to six weeks later, but that ended up
being two months because of his pneumonia. So finally we
get in and he puts the light down, the sam
into too, mrch Frunk in it and we're only after
having the cat scan by now. And he informed us
that day, which was no surprise of himself in Keith,

(54:35):
that there was a growth in his operasophacus. I never
said nothing because I like keep making all the decisions
at this point.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
And.

Speaker 11 (54:46):
Anyway, we left, we had to come home. He waits
for the biapsy to come back, and he was going
to send Keith in for emergency pet scan, which we
went into and a couple of weeks later called out.
He was on speakerphone with myself and Keith and he
said it was indeed cancer and his top part of

(55:07):
the esophacus. He never had all the pet scan back,
but what he did out back was two limph nodes
underneaed saphecus at it, his bottom still added he's top
part of his esophagus still at it, and maybe he's lungs.
So it was then I spoke up and said, well,
we already knew about the top part. We already knew

(55:28):
about the two limph nodes. He asked me, how did
I know that. I said, because five weeks into his treatments,
we were told by another one of his other doctors.
He said, that's impossible. I only got the results back
today and we're He got on his computer. He said,
I'm looking at it now and he said it was

(55:49):
only cancering the lower saphacus. So I said, you're telling
me this doctor can predict the future, because not only
did he tell us, he showed us. And so from there,
when they got the results back, we went into the
doctors originally tall us. They didn't know what he told
us at the beginning, obviously, and he told us basically,

(56:16):
Keith now was full of it. There was not many
pieces of his bodies that didn't have cancer, and that
he had three months to a year to leave. He
first he said three months, and he looked at Keith,
maybe a year. And that's when I spoke at and
told them, but I just told you, And he said,

(56:39):
I can't remember telling you that. But when I go
out and I was setting up a pud of care,
the pelop care program, I will go through my notes.
When this doctor came back into the office. He sat
down with tears in his eyes. He looked at Keith
and he looked at me. He said, I am so
sorry for how this is than the treaty, and I

(57:04):
let him know that it was not. You need to
do things. I have to kill and this man is
destroyed in my life and make sure your next patience
basically are treated much better. And as a team that
you got to get together.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I'm really sorry to hear this, Betty. Look we lived
it as a family. I know exactly where you're coming from.
And of course, with human beings being responsible for diagnosis
and prognosis and treatment, bad things are going to happen.
But when they hit home it is devastating. So I
know exactly where you're coming from.

Speaker 11 (57:36):
But you don't know how bad Dell Care is till
you're in it. But then the fast forward. Now we're
into the talent the care program. Okay, so when nurse
comes and Earth comes to the house meets us. Now
we keep in mind this man's full of cancer. I
got to have a doctor from Saint Jarn's. We only
talked to her virtually, and the last couple of times

(57:58):
she found he couldn't even talk because met. By this time,
he's charlo like I think now he's after go into
his brain. And so this nurse should have came in
if this nurse was trained properly. Now to the nurse's defense,
this was a young nurse and the nurse we were
suppose amazon alladays and he was feelini. However, well I

(58:22):
should have been done. He should have came in and said, Okay,
this is a list of things you're going to need.
So I'm going to send occupation Therapy are to get
everything in taste for when you need it. AIR is
a list of all the pallets care medications you're going
to need. Phone your family doctor immediately and get them

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all prescribed, and get him in your house for when
you're going to need him. This was not done, so
I automatically assumed when it came time for these things
that I would need, I would get them well. On
the twentieth of July, Keep got out of bed and
things changed drastically. He could no longer swallow.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah, this is all very sad. Is there anything in
summary that you'd like to add? But because I'm really late,
I have to get going Unfortunately.

Speaker 11 (59:14):
Well, to be honest with you, at the end of
the day, people got to know about these things. And
also I had to stay awake thirty hours putting THHC
in this man's mouth to keep him out of hospital.
I ended up with hell the care. I couldn't get
a turning pad. I two days before he died. They

(59:37):
got me a couple of wipes, a couple of boxes
and gloves, two things of attains and that was it.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Now you stay awake for.

Speaker 11 (59:45):
Thirty hours putting THHC in this man because none of
this was in place. And my doctor, she said, is
doctor said, I didn't think he was that bad. Now,
I don't know what a bed you're going to be
when you're full of cancer.

Speaker 8 (59:59):
No, you're At the end of the day, the.

Speaker 11 (01:00:02):
THHC worked and I could keeping all and this is
where he died in his own But I mean, the
system is soul slot. It is soul slot. And like
Tony Waken says an old quoting, we have to put
the care back in health care because the treatment that
Keith got was brutal. It was brutal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
I don't sleep, Betty, I'm really sorry to hear it.

Speaker 11 (01:00:27):
Make sure this is make sure this is all in place.
It's is when you decide to keep your loving at home.
And another thing people should remember, don't rely on apps.
Do not trust your doctors, most of them are only
in the for the money. And make sure your family
doctor sends out all any scan But there's an MRIs extract.

(01:00:54):
Get an email then so you can read them yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Betty, I'm really sorry to hear of your struggles. I
appreciate your time.

Speaker 11 (01:01:00):
Thank you, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
You're welcome, bye bye, I just goed to the break,
don't cowere hell, welcome back to the show. Let's go
to Lee number six. Still you're on the air.

Speaker 8 (01:01:09):
Good morning, Patty?

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Couldn't be better? How about you?

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Not too bad?

Speaker 12 (01:01:13):
You had a great summer, I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Trust, yeah, pat Thanks how about you?

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:01:17):
Pretty good?

Speaker 13 (01:01:18):
Pretty good.

Speaker 12 (01:01:19):
I'd like to see it stay like this beautiful hairdel
porta bass but a cloud. I love to see it
stay until stay like until April and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Then just warm up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
But alas it won't.

Speaker 8 (01:01:32):
That's for sure.

Speaker 13 (01:01:33):
You not a bit on that one, Patty.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
I understand you might be.

Speaker 12 (01:01:37):
A moderator, or are well be a moderator at the debate?

Speaker 14 (01:01:41):
Is it tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I'm not I'm not involved, Oh.

Speaker 12 (01:01:45):
Okay, because I would like to see and something that
you mentioned was just right up. What I like hearing
is that you talked about that we need to have bigger,
better royalties from those resources.

Speaker 13 (01:02:02):
Super royalties.

Speaker 12 (01:02:03):
I think was a couple of things that you mentioned there.
And because I've done a lot of research over it,
and I'm keeping an eye on this since ninety seven
that was first oil from High Bernie, I guess you're
aware of. And I would say, what today's calculation and
our clotheses I can come to. We've let over three

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hundred billion dollars go to offshore companies that came here
to pump the oil out, and I believe I could
be wrong. Maybe you can correct me that we're still
only getting eight dollars on a barrel of oil, which
is absolutely absurd. And of course I asked Andrew Parsons,
I don't know five six years ago, you know, like,

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what are you guys doing while we're still working on it?
That's the old adage, but I think we should be,
you know, asking these candidates, well, you want my vote,
then I need something from you, and I need it
in writing that you're going to work at.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Getting a better.

Speaker 12 (01:03:08):
Or demanding a bigger uh royalty, then down what we're
currently getting so we can get ourselves.

Speaker 15 (01:03:16):
Out of the hole at least.

Speaker 9 (01:03:18):
And and as you know.

Speaker 12 (01:03:20):
To Patty, uh, like to Paul's conversation, you're about how
much the crime has increased due to drugs and so
on and so forth, that too is the result of poverty,
uh to to to probably a great, great degree. And
uh and uh, you know, like I said, we need
to put these politicians seats to the fire and say, look,

(01:03:42):
we got to do better because we are just uh,
we're just getting deeper and deeper into not out of Uh.
I think by writing a book, I'm going to call
it how New for Land Struck.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
It Broke, because that seems that's where we are.

Speaker 12 (01:03:57):
We're great at giving away, uh, giving away the resources
for very little and get and not getting much in return.
And you know, can you imagine, Pattick, we had three
hundred billion dollars since ninety seven, you wouldn't you wouldn't
care about mushat Falls, you wouldn't really care about Churchill.
You know, let it follow its course.

Speaker 15 (01:04:17):
But that's all I wanted to say, Patty, Yeah you
got to do better.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Yeah, royalties are very interesting. So the generic royalty regime
applied at Hebron and of course your factor in our
equity stake and all that kind of stuff. But we
sell our oil based on the price of Brent crude.
But some of the royalty regime measures are attached to
West Texas Intermediate, which I've never really fully understood. That's
where a so called super royalty kicks in based on

(01:04:43):
the price of a barrel of West Texas Intermediate, which
is not how we price our oil. So I've never
really understood how the relationship between Brent crude and do
DTI leads to some sort of examination royalties. But it's
a strange one. You know. The reason I mentioned royalty
and super royalties and SUPERWORWLT is basically just you know,
an additional percentage when a price of BARRELAI exceeds whatever

(01:05:06):
number was broken, whether it be fifty bucks with Hebron
or sixty five bucks, whatever the case may be. But
we insist on taking an equity stake, which I've never
really fully understood, to be honest with you. You know,
like even with he Brown, we put what was at
one hundred and fifty million dollars cash on the barrel head.
And even at that point we didn't still enter into
the kind of agreement that we thought we were getting.

(01:05:26):
They basically told us to piss off, and they paid
us some money back by not doing accommodating some research
and development. They gave us some money back for not
doing the amount of construction here on shore. So seems
to be a little bit flimsier than it should be.
Still final thoughts to.

Speaker 12 (01:05:39):
You, Yeah, because sure sounds like another Churchhill Falls deal
and Mush deal and all this stuff. Yeah, it seems
like it seems like they want to keep us muzzled.
I guess you know again the people that were negotiating
with these companies, you know, screwed us again. And I think, Patty, I'm.

Speaker 10 (01:05:58):
Sure you agree.

Speaker 12 (01:05:59):
We need to keep this front and center officially during
this election which is almost there. And Ail, well, we
can certainly keep it going. Is demand a greater resource,
and if we have to, let's hire some Let's hire
some of these companies that are probably sitting idle. Come
in and pump the oil and we'll pay you for
your work. Just like when you take your car to
a mechanic or get somebody to paint your house.

Speaker 15 (01:06:21):
That's all we got to do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Patty, appreciate the times too, Thank you, thank you, have
a great one. Money you too, Bye bye. I just
take a break. Women. Come back to the CEO and
President of the Newfland Labador Hydro is Jennifer Williams. She's
in the queue. Don't go away. Welcome back to the
program and let's go to line number one. Second more
to the president and CEO of New Fland and Labrador Hydro.
That's Jennifer Williams and good morning, miss Williams. Around the air.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
Good morning, thank you for having me, and I'm sure
you will please call me Jennifer.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Jennifer, thank you very much. I really don't even know
where to begin anymore with the complicate complexities of this issue,
but I would like to start with between now and
twenty forty one. One of the comments that I've heard repeatedly,
and it goes something like this. It must be noted
that under both models, the present value average annual payment
from Hydrokopec to cfl CO is six hundred and sixty
three million dollars. That's, dude, who shareholding HQU Hydrocobeck recovers

(01:07:09):
thirty five percent. So the assertion here is it's not
on an average billion dollars a year, it's four hundred
and thirty million dollars a year in today's dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
So I'll just open up my first to saying I
understand your positions, that you're not quite sure where to begin,
and I just want to let you know I'm happy
to stay as long as you'll have me today and
answer as many questions as possible because it's important for
us to get accurate information out there. And I believe
in your preamble this morning you noted to the listeners

(01:07:38):
that I have to be careful in how I speak
today because I have I have to operate under an
All agencies, boards and commissions have to operate under the
caretaker mode. So you might hear some slight hesitation as
I formulate my responses today. So I want to be
really clear that that's that's what I'm operating under.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Understood.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
Yeah, So going back to your question, and I know
it's a very specific question about I guess getting at
our contention that we are getting on average billion dollars
a year between now and twenty forty one, and that
is an accurate contention. And as the listeners will know,
we have been publishing information right from the beginning of

(01:08:20):
the announcement, right up until we were allowed to publish
information before the election started that would detail in different
manners the facts and the facts around this are that
we will get hundreds of millions of dollars in year
one up to nearly two billion dollars in year seventeen,
and it continues to grow after that. I do think

(01:08:42):
that there is some confusion amongst some when they read
materials that they take payments from hydro Quebec to cfl
Co as that's what the payment to Treasury is and
it's not. You have to go through operating costs and
you have to then each organization has to take its dividend,
et cetera. So I think that there is some confusion

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amongst some in their interpretation of materials that this is
not the case. But we have published that it is
hundreds of millions of dollars in year one, almost two
billion in year seventeen. On average it's a billion dollars
a year. All this information has been made available on
the our chapter website, been very early days. And I
just want to add one quick thing too, is that

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we get a lot of very specific questions, and then
we get people who say it's very confusing. So we
are trying to be responsive to the various different audiences
across the province. Some people want a ton of detail
and some people want very little detail. They want to
know what does this mean for me at a high
level fashion. So the materials that we have been creating
reflect all of those different audiences, and so sometimes people

(01:09:47):
will see information represented in high level fashion, and sometimes
they'll see it represented in very detailed fashion.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
So in layman's terms, and once again, if the equity sake,
we'll use the round number sixty five percent thirty five percent.
If indeed that is the breakdown, how do we arrive
at a billion dollars? Is this a billion dollars that
stands outside the current contractual arrangement, outside the current equity breakdown?
Because if someone breaks it down for me, it says,
given the equity stakes, that billion is more like four

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hundred and thirty million. So is the billion on average
outside of the current contract or how did we arrive
at that number?

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
I'm not sure I quite understand the question. But basically
is there's a publication to go back to the treasure
because we're talking about your treasury again, some folks will
confuse payments to HQ and then they will forget, for example,
or so payments at HQ makes to cfl CO, but
they will forget that in flanabend or Hydro also has
to pay cfl COME. They will forget that the Provenal

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Treasury gets money from watermntals and royalties. So what we
did to make it very clear is on the UR
Chapter dot ca A website, there is a slide or
a chart that shows the financial benefit to the Newfould
Laborator Treasury and it lays out very clearly what the
actual direct dividends are to the province. And I think

(01:11:10):
it's important that people would want to consult that page
to get the exact number, because again I think that
there's confusion around people saying that well, Hydra Kubec is
only paying this amount and then you got to take
out operating costs and they take their share, and that is.
All of those things are true, but we have to
look at what the actual dividends are to the province.
When we are talking about on average a billion dollars

(01:11:32):
a year.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Then it's reference to escalator clause. So inside the MoU,
I read it as the pathway to five point nine cents.
And then I've heard other analysis say that that's more
like in present day dollars two point seven cents. I'm
not entirely sure how that numbers arrived that, but the
path to five point nine cents? Can you elaborate on
how that works?

Speaker 16 (01:11:55):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
So the path two five point nine cents and sort
of picking up them. What I said at the gaining
is we have been working to make as much of
this information as possible, as accessible to as many people
as possible, and we evaluate people's understanding, and when we
feel that's not helping people understand much, we continue to
add to the conversation and ad materials. So the five

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point nine sense was a very early way for us
to communicate what the average price would be over the
duration of the contract in comparison to what we are
receiving today. And so the five point nine sense is
reflective of in if you were to express the average

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the average price in today's dollars, or is it in
twenty twenty four dollars looking out over the duration of
the contract, and you take the value that hydro Quebec
we had negotiated on a forecast basis to pay for
what they were taking. It's probably getting confusing here because
again this is more detailed math and evaluation, but so
that is what that is made to represent, and it

(01:13:01):
was a number that we used at the beginning to
try to help people understand the difference in the existing
contract and what we are forecast to receive in the
new MoU once we get it to definitive agreements. So basically,
as you take what hydro Quebec would be I'm receiving
in volumes, and if you look closely at the MOLU

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you can see their volumes from Churchill Falls decline materially
over time. And then you would take the payments that
they make and you do some back calculation and you
get the five point nine cents in expressing twenty twenty
four dollars is the average price to be obtained.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Another cast basis understood. Another key issue that people leaning
on heavily is comments coming from Michael Savier and other
leadership executives at hydro Quebec about replacement costs. Have they
not been able to achieve. The current arrangement inside this
MoU is that the next viable option for them to
replace this would be in between thirteen and sixteen cents,

(01:14:01):
which is far greater number than what we're talking about,
even on a scale towards five point nine. So the
basic question is why would we charge them so little
if their next best option was thirteen to sixteen cents
quick hour?

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
Okay, yeah, So this I think takes the answer to
this one takes a couple of angles. So I'll start
with the fact that the formula that we are I
guess the formul we're currently negotiating, but the principles that
we are honoring in the MoU and that the definitive
agreements will have to honor, is that replacement cost is
going to be one of the price indicators in the formula.

(01:14:38):
So to suggest that we have not received value for
we'll call it what would be a replacement product is
not true. And that is very very clearly laid out
in the MoU that the replacement cost has to be
a factor. So I want to be really clear about that.
That is when folks will start that that's not there.
Read the MoU. It's incredibly inabundantly clear. But the other piece,

(01:15:01):
and this is we're going to get a little more
technical on a math basis, but hopefully it'll speak to
some folks, is that taking that value that hydro Quebec
and we have negotiated they will pay for the volumes
they're going to take. It is the thirty three point
eight billion on a forecast basis. It will move with markets.
If markets go beyond our forecast, still will a price.

(01:15:23):
But using that number, the thirty three point eight billion,
that equates to if we take it today five point
nine census we've just discussed in express in twenty twenty
four dollars. If instead we were to take that value
and start taking it in twenty forty one, which is
when hydro Quebec would have to deal with a replacement project,

(01:15:45):
they wouldn't be doing a replacement project today. They have
seventeen years of free power, so they would not be
doing a replacement project until twenty forty one, so they
would not pay replacement cost today. So if you start
paying in twenty forty one instead, that actually equates to
over thirteen cents a kilo whateur. So we essentially got
a material portion of what that replacement cost is. And

(01:16:08):
so the choice is that you take it now or
you start taking it in twenty forty one. But if
you did take it twenty four to one, because there's
definitely some folks out there, let's wait and get replacement
costs in twenty forty one. And the math shows we
got that already. But it makes sense for us as
the province to break the contract now, to start having
it much more fair and much more balanced, to bring

(01:16:30):
all that revenue into the province to be treated much
more fairly. Now, get access to power so we can
have economics development, build all those other projects. It just
makes much more sense for us to do this today
as opposed to waiting. We essentially got the replacement value to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
That end to pick up on you know, industrial expansion
or commercial expansion, mining or otherwise. You know, people do
indeed say, well, what are the upsides in lab West
is quadrupling of the laborator recall block to about twelve
hundred megawats, But that does happened over the course until
over the course of decades. I think it finally gets
that twelve hundred and about thirty five years from now,
so that ballsters that argument that some people to make

(01:17:08):
about why not just wait and get the replacement costs
today as opposed to thinking that thirty five years down
the line we finally get twelve hundred megawats.

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
Yeah, so I think that again, there's some confusion about
when we get access to power and why we get
access power in the timeframes that we've asked for. So
I do hear some accusations, well, we don't even get
access to power until twenty thirty And my answer is yes,
and that's what we asked for. And I think not astro,
but that's what we negotiated. Why would we accept hundreds

(01:17:39):
of megawatts today and say we said okay, nope. We
responded to say no, we demand we get access to
five hundred megawatts today. The customer doesn't exist right, So
for example, the mining companies in IOC cannot accept five
hundred megawatts of power today. So what we would do
is we would demand access to power today and then
it would sit there like a road nowhere. Those customers

(01:18:02):
have to build out their facilities to accept those megawats.
The power sits at Churchill Falls, it's got to make
its way over to lab West. The transmission lines over
to lab West are already full, so we've got to
build new transmission. So the timing of the megawats that
would come to us in the twenty thirties to lab
West matches when we could actually use it. And the

(01:18:24):
reason why it matches that is because we've been in
conversations with all kinds of various industrial customers that could
potentially use power and Labrador and those customers are telling
us when they can be ready, and then we know
when we can be ready from a transmission perspective, So
we've timed that and then if you again look closer.
So that's sort of that piece I think is really
really important for folks to not assume that us getting

(01:18:48):
the power in five years time is a bad thing.
That's exactly what makes sense from a utility and a
customer perspective. The other piece is that there's a thousand
megawats coming to our jurisdiction in the next ten years.
And if you think about the twenty forties, Newfoudland Labrador
Hydro would have to in addition to Hydro Quebec to

(01:19:08):
negotiate what they have meg what's they would want in
the twenty forties let's say we punted this out ten
or fifteen years. New Land Labrador Hydro also has to
negotiate with cfl CO to get access to power. So
it's the exact same thing. So our ability to say
yes to customers. We know exactly what power we have
access to. We can start having those conversations today. We

(01:19:29):
can say yes to customers today, Versus if we don't,
we can't say yes to any of these customers. We
cannot say yes to even people talk about AI. We
could put AI in Labrador, but we can't do that
today because we also have to negotiate and get power
out of that plant.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
When the time comes, it's our first opportunity to put
you on holl Jennifer. We'll come right back and start with.

Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
Go Okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Okay, there we go, Jennifer, well lives on hold. Let's
take a break. Welcome back to the show. Let's we
join Jennifer Williams on one. Jennifer, you're back out of
the air. Great, thank you are We get into the goll.
Let's talk about the influence of inflation on present value.
One of the claims made is that adjusting for inflation
actually lowers the value of future payments to take you
take slight with that, So how is that not the case? How?

Speaker 5 (01:20:15):
No, it does. Inflation does affect the value, but it
was factored into the calculations that we put forward, and
I think that that's the issue the discount ray. So
again we're getting probably a bit bit specific here, but
this is all. If anybody wants to do more reading
beyond what I'm going to say here now, I invite
them to read from on the new flund Labrador Hydro
website our response to a group of local folks from

(01:20:39):
last week where we take on a number of these
assertions that the numbers that we're putting forward are incorrect.
And this group that put the letter forward quoted mister
Wilson basically saying that well, you know, of course mister
Wilson is correct, and that both us and a private
citizen mister Luco ran in condunction with us, in conjunction

(01:21:03):
with JP Morgan and mister luc O'Briant, produced analysis that
showed that mister Wilson's analysis is not correct, and mister
Wilson asserted that you have to use the discount rate
and also then added on the effects of inflation, but
that was incorrect because the discount rate includes the effects
of inflation, so it was it was incorrect to have
done this, and we just laid that out very very clearly.

(01:21:25):
So to your question is why don't we include the
effects inflation? And the answers we do, and all of
our numbers absolutely include the effects of inflation.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
And we talked about control afford zo hydrogbeck on the
church or river, whether it be at the Opera and
or gal So one thing is I hear people tell
me that we've given away in full water rights. How
does water rights work in this current negotiation regarding MoU.

Speaker 5 (01:21:49):
So I probably would contrast it to today and then
what is planned and in the MoU to be reflected
and final definitive agreements. So right now, under the existing contract,
hydro quebec as has been demonstrated, you know, through our
actions at the Supreme Court have the ability to dictate
exactly how the current plant operates well, and there's above

(01:22:14):
a certain level there is some other around flexibility, but
for the materiality of the plant, they choose how the
water moves along that river because they're the plant that's
the furthest upriver. So they say we're going to turn
on five generators. Now it's this output that has a
certain water flow in the river, and then the plants
downstream muskrat falls, they receive that water. Quebec chooses the

(01:22:35):
dispatch of the water on that river, and that is
not what you would see around the world on other
rivers where there's multiple different plants and multiple different owners
of plants. And so what we are contemplating now and
in the MoU is that instead of that continuing to
be the case, we're going to have a different water
management agreement that reflects all of the plants on the

(01:22:59):
river and that we will dispatch what makes the most
sense for all of the owners along the river. And
so that is really what's contemplated. So as opposed to
hydro Quebec retaining control for another seventeen years and to
be determined in the future, we will take back I'll
call it, put in normal routine water control that you'd

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see on any other river, and that's what will be
implemented in the definitive agreements.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
But wouldn't it ultimately still be one entity making those
decisions regarding dispersion of water, water rights control and who
would that be, would it still be hydro Quebec No.

Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
Nope, Nope, that's not at all. The case basically is
you have all call it a river controller is essentially
what you would have, and all of the people who
are all of the entities along that river would have
a say into the independent river controller what needs to
be dispatched. Basically, everyone's contract entitlements have to be honored.

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Muskrat falls, gull Island, Churchill falls would have to be honored.
But there would be an independent coordinator that would ensure
that the units are all dispatched according to everyone gets
their minimum and the positive here and I will just
actually just take a little aside is somebody should go
look up the Columbia River and look at how many
facilities are on that river. And it's the same kind

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of a concept. There is no single entity when you
have this modern water management agreement that we're going to
have that dictates how the water moves. Everyone's entitlements have
to be honored, but they can be delivered in the
most economic and most efficient manner possible. One of my
colleagues obviously uses this example. Let's say that there's a

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unit that needs to be taken out of service in
one plant, or that the load on the system is
such that you could have one unit operating one plant
inefficiently because each unit has a sort of an optimum
place that it operates. Let's say it's at one hundred
and fifty megawatts instead of two hundred megawats. You want
to be at one hundred and fifty all the time
because that's where you get the most energy out of

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a drop of water. And that is exactly what we're
going to do go forward. So we're going to share
around the entitlements to everybody in a modern efficient water
management agreement as opposed to one party saying I want
this unit at this point no matter what, We're going
to modernize this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Then let's move on to goll Island. So the concern
in some corners that we give full control and decision
making authority two hydrocbec are regarding development that goll Island
of forty percent interest and equity, sake and perpetuity, and
we have little to know, say there with only access
to some two hundred and twenty five megawatts, albeit they
assume risk and liability. So that's the basic question is

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why is hydrocubec rule the roast.

Speaker 5 (01:25:41):
Alcol so go Island. Let's be clear, sits undeveloped. We
have had numerous goals at trying to get this plant
developed and it still sits undeveloped. I'll just make make
this one point to find this interesting because obviously we
we pay a lot of attention to various inputs or perspectives.

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Obviously we can't respond to all the various inputs and
perspectives individually necessarily. But somebody just pointed out to me
recently that there was a local person who had some
who's a guest writer on Uncle Lely and they had
talked about goll Island. This is a several year old
blog post and they had suggested I think it was

(01:26:26):
in twenty twenty one, this blog post. It was talking
about the value of Churchill and the value of gall
Island and it said this is literally what it says, clearly,
the economics of gull Island look like a dismal failure
and the project should never be sanctioned. And it basically
said you need seventeen cents of killo what hour to
make that plant viable. There's a lot of different perspectives

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on Gull Island and its viability. Hydro and hydro Quebec
both believe that this is a great project that benefits
Hydro Quebec and it absolutely benefits our province. So we
are working together to get that project moving. It brings
so much benefit to al As we've heard talked about

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is there's litill be thousands of jobs that get unlocked
with this. This plant sits undeveloped, so when you factor
in the benefit of getting this project going, us providing
benefit to the region with regards to increased electricity. It
is low, lowest cost, but it's not a low cost
project right as I said just thend it there's a
lot of cost associated with this. So in order for

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this to proceed, it has to make sense to both
US and Quebec. For it to make sense for Quebec,
they obviously they want to and I think it's appropriate
and we obviously agree with this for them to have
a significant role in the project management of the construction
of this. I am surprised that people are offended by
Hydro Quebec, who has built almost forty thousand megawatts of

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hydro electricity, that they would have the primary role in
the decision making around this plant when this jurisdiction has,
you know, the most recent one has muskrat falls under
its belt. So it does surprise me at times to
hear the people are upset that haydra Quebec would be
the primary a project manager for GOA, And so I
can't quite square square that when we know that they're

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very good at this. And the other part that I
can't quite square is when folks are upset that they
would have a minority shareholding. So we are the majority
shareholder for a plant that sits undeveloped, and that they
are paying for our equity. They are paying for our
majority shareholding of this plant and for the profit that
we're going to have throughout the decades. So I can't

(01:28:37):
quite square why folks are upset about that when the
alternative is that it sits undeveloped. So it doesn't quite
make sense to me this assertion.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
It's time for one more break to put you on hold.
If that's okay, Jennifer, I'll get a newscast and we'll
come back.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
I'll stay as long as I can.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
You want me to thank you, all right, Jennifer. We
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Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Welcome back. Let's go back to Jennifer Williams on one. Jennifer,
you're back on the air.

Speaker 5 (01:29:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
So in terms of God, you mentioned the jobs during
the construction phase and the access to a couple of
hundred megawats. Is that the extend of the benefits to
this province?

Speaker 5 (01:29:28):
Oh gosh, no, Go Island. I mean, if you think
about you know, a big part of the conversation that
we are having now is that we have this gem
of a facility in Labrador at Churchill Falls and it
should be providing significant benefit to us and it is
about to do that. Right, we have secured something that

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is about to start doing that. With regards to Go Island,
it can turn into that as well. It is a
different product to day because you've got to build it
first and get it paid off and all those sorts
of things. It sits undeveloped. What we will have and
this is where we know I really do ask that
we have the vision here. I'm trying to be careful
about not being too political, but we have the opportunity

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to take an undeveloped asset to develop it and then
we will have two of these GEM facilities that is
in place for decades to come. It is a really
really important component about what is possible here. So that
is just something you know that I want to mention.
So but in addition to even so, we'll have a
future GEM that is just as valuable as see if

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we're going to have two of those in the interim period,
there is actual profit coming back to the province as well,
for however the province would choose choose to use that.
And that is I think a bit of a misconception
or as misunderstanding as well that there's quote unquote no
profit associated with Gull Island and that is not true.
It's simply not true. I ask people to go back

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to the financial benefit to Newfoundland and Labrador Treasury document
that we uploaded in early January that shows the benefit there,
and you can see there that for the new developments
there is on a nominal basis, there's forty three billion
dollars in dividends from those new developments. And then there's
also water rentals and royalties. Right now, government doesn't get
anything from the water from the plant that does not

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exist actual oil, so be water rentals and royalties that
goes direct to treasury. There's all the jobs that are
associated with it. And as we said, we unlock all
of the all of the power access we have access
to power in the future. There's there's something that doesn't
get talked about hardly at all, is there will come
open blocks of power in the future that we can

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gain access to, and well we can choose to use
those blocks of power in the future as a result
of this whole deal. That will allow us to choose
to use it at the time, or we could sell
it back to hydro Quebec. And we don't even have
to figure out exactly how we're going to price that
at this point. So whatever the situation is happening in
several decades, we can we can harness that the price

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is going to increase. Their all of the costs of
operating goll Island are going to be covered and paid
for by the people who or the off takers who
are primarily the off takers in Quebect. The ratepayers in
Quebec are going to pay for a plant that gets
built in our jurisdiction. It gets materially built by our
people that we didn't pay for. And I mean, I

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think those are significant benefits that we're not talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Enough insofar as the expansion at the Opera gall and
two transmission projects associated with either or how much borrowing
do we have to do and what level of risk
associated whether it be at the Churchill expansion or both
transmission lines transmission advices.

Speaker 5 (01:32:43):
Yeah, so I think that there might be some confusion
in the public that folks are nervous about what the
financial burden is on our province because they think about
Muskrat Faults. These two projects are built for very different purposes,
and I'll use goll Island first, as is probably the
primary question I think the folks have around this is
that how is that going to get paid for? And

(01:33:04):
the reason why I expect, the reason why certainly some
in the public would be nervous about what does this
mean for us is that Muskrat Falls was a project
built for the people of Newfland, Labrador to be used
in Newfoundland and Labrador. And yes there's a component that
ghost in nov Scotia, but primarily it's being used here
and so therefore the rate payers here had to essentially

(01:33:25):
pay for that asset. And we find ourselves in a
place where obviously it was a government choice that we're
going to mitigate against those rates. They're going to be
trying to be really careful here not to go too far,
but these are facts.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:33:36):
We were in a rate mitigation world that we're mitigating
against those rates because the rates would have would have
been high otherwise. But the difference then with goll Island,
and so therefore the taxpayer has to jump in on that.
So that's why that burden is there in gll Island scenario.
The majority of it is going to be utilized and

(01:33:58):
paid for by the customer in Quebec. It is not
being paid for by the people of Newfoinland and Labrador.
And so I think that's a really big difference that
I think that there's some confusion around. We can, if
we choose to, if it makes sense for us as
a province, we can take some of the power back
from Gull Island, and we will pay Gull Island for

(01:34:19):
whatever that power is. But we don't have to. But
the difference is that Quebec has to pay for the
full shot. That's the difference. We don't pay for it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
How much borrowing are we set to do if this
all proceeds as understood in the MOYU.

Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
So that question can be interpreted a couple of different ways,
because you're talking about who's doing the borrowing, right, So
you've got Go Island joint venture, You've got cfl Co
and then so that would be a think all related
to all these different pieces. But basically, each of the
entities will do their borrowing as opposed to I think
the question is what is the government going to borrow?

(01:34:54):
Each of the individual entities will do their borrowing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Okay, so you know one of the concerns people, and
this is not specifically for you, about concerns with the
oversight panel, that they're really just handcuffed to what's in
the MoU as opposed to consideration of other things that
could happen into the future. So how should we consider
We know Hydrogebec and the provinc Quebec are lobbying the
federal government for money regarding transmission lines to be built.
We also know that the unicorn, that is the east

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west energy cord or a conversation as all as deefen
Baker might happen. The Prime Minister has talked about it,
and that would change a lot of things in so
far as benefits to either side I'll call them. So
is that being considered inside the negotiation for outclaus to say,
for instance, if all of a sudden east west flow
of energy is a thing, all of a sudden, that
changes a whole lot of these considerations, doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:35:39):
It as it relates to the specificity of, like you said,
something that's been contemplated for decades. We are, as experts
in this field, and including the experts that we have
employed who do this for a living, we factor in
all of the both current scenarios as well as any

(01:36:01):
future scenarios, and we factor that into the components of
the mo OU. So you know, you have to consider
what are the things that mean the most to us
as a jurisdiction and include that in them ou I've
mentioned there a few minutes ago that we can choose
to use power of that will come come to us

(01:36:22):
over the decades. How we're going to use that yes,
it's in province. We still have a booking through Quebec
on the transmission system there. How we exactly utilize that
in the long term. You know, that is a factor
that is being considered in our current moment. So you know,
we are very live to all of those potential situations

(01:36:46):
nationally in this moment, and that is absolutely being considered.
I think that, well, you know, there's some parties that
would be much more open and clear and public with
what their asks are national And again I can't speak
for government, and I really can't. I think that, you know,

(01:37:06):
just just caution folks that just because you hear one
party saying one thing doesn't mean there's not other conversations happening.
I need to stop there because I need to be really.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Careful and I'm attended to just put for some questions
that have been put to me. Of course I'm not
in the road and I have no idea, but you know,
people will ask questions about rights being currently paid in
Quebec on an annualized diverage in and around eight cents
were killed about hour here for residential customers and an
around fourteen point twenty five cents for kill a hout hour.
What could any of these potential developments mean for our rights?

(01:37:35):
Or is that more a government consideration of funeling the
money to further rate mitigation or what have you.

Speaker 5 (01:37:40):
So I like how you ended your question there, because
I think that's exactly it's a question for a future government.
You know, we know what, we know what We have
a rate mitigation Again, this is a fact. This is
not an opinion or's political. But there is a rate
mitigation plan in place up to twenty thirty so, so
that that is it. That is in place, it's an
existing commit Beyond that, that is a question for future government.

(01:38:04):
Will a future government want to do anything over and
above that immediately? Again, that's a question for a future government.
But I would like to just very briefly talk about
the rates in Quebec versus the rates in our products,
and cfl CO has an important role to play in

(01:38:25):
the total cost of system delivery in Quebec. I am
not going to downplay that at all, but it's really
really important that folks understand that on your electricity bill
and the bills in Quebec as well, there are three
big components that make up what the rate is at
the meter that you pay. One is the generation cost,

(01:38:47):
So that would be say like a cfl CO for
the folks in Quebec, or if you say think about
here on the island, it's it's the rates that it
costs us to run Beta spare. So there's the generation cost,
then there's the costs of running your trends system, and
then there's the costs of running your distribution system, so
the polls and wires that you see just in your neighborhood.
So if you think about what's going on in Quebec,

(01:39:09):
eighty five percent of their generation, so of those three components,
eighty five percent of it comes from their own system,
fifteen percent comes from CFLC currently. So then but then
you also have to add on the cost of transmission
in their system and the cost of distribution in their system.
So all so the effect of cfl CO has an effect,

(01:39:31):
but it's not the only reason of what their rates are.
So then you say, well, why are their rates so low?
And I think I would suggest there's two reasons for them.
One is they have nine million people to split all
their costs amongst we have five hundred thousand, and we
have a huge geographic province where we supply electricity to
every nook and cranny as you know, So Quebec has

(01:39:53):
we have half a million people to split our cost amoks,
Quebec has nine million people to split their costs. So
obviously that's going to make a unit cost lower plus
in the same way that Cifilco was a low cost
source Hyder, Quebec has built a lot of plants themselves
over time and those are continuing to be low cost sources.
So the Churchill fault contract as is today is not

(01:40:17):
the only reason that Quebec has low rates. So I
just wanted to take that on because if there's an
assertion that we should get the exact same thing because
people think they're the exact same systems, but that's that's
not accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Last one too, prong. Was there ever an independent evaluation
of the value of gall Island on and secondly to
that if we're not if there was or not, was
there ever any discussion with another entity to be involved
with to build gall and to get the power out
of Labrador. You know, we'll just say for this or whoever,
just for an example.

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
So I think we take on a little bit of
that at times with regards to the value and in
response to the the group of folks last week that
we responded to publicly there and we've read that very clear.
So again I invite your listeners to review that letter.
It's pretty lengthy, but I hope it's it's it's helpful

(01:41:13):
to the to the understanding and the conversation. We one
hundred percent assess the value of all of the assets
that are being contemplated in this MoU. What we did
not do is publish that information. And that makes no
sense to publish that information because if you do, you
basically say, hey, listen, this is how we evaluate and

(01:41:34):
value these assets. And so then you show Quebec, hey listen,
this is our value. So what are they going to do.
They're going to use that against us. So and the
people that we use obviously for the inputs to that
that work. We're experts. These are the experts that work
in electricity markets and execute multi multi billion dollar transactions

(01:41:57):
for a living for decades. And the other piece too,
I think would be really helpful and I don't know
how hard it would be to find this, but I
do invite any listener who's interested to try to find
the I guess it's either enhancered or they can find
it some way. Just listen to the qualifications of the
people that came and spoke at the House of Assembly,
to every member that's elected on behalf of the prominence

(01:42:20):
to speak to their exact qualifications. It is very impressive.
And so when we hired these people, they don't immediately
lose their independence when we say we're going to pay you.
And I need to underline that just because you pay
a consultant doesn't mean they now start telling you what
you want to hear. So we hired the absolute best

(01:42:41):
experts to help us with our asset evaluation, and they
are independent, and they did not tell us what we
wanted to hear. And it's really really important that folks
do not dismiss anybody. Lawyers are hired all the time.
Is their advice no longer valid because you pay them.
We hire accounting firms, we hire engineering firms. To suggest

(01:43:04):
that those folks are not independent, I cannot square that
at all. That makes no sense to me. So we
did asset evaluation absolutely as part of our analysis. It
was a factor in our MoU discussions, and we cannot
make it public.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
I appreciate the time Jennis for any of the final
thoughts before we say goodbye.

Speaker 5 (01:43:22):
I guess I just want to underline that just because
somebody asserts something and it gets amplified doesn't mean it's correct.
We are trying really hard, and we know we're never
meeting the bar, but we continue to try to reach
for that bar on having a broad range of information
available to people, And I asked that people also know
that it's a range of interests that we're trying to meet.

(01:43:46):
So we have some people who only want the tree
tops information and what it means to them, we create
materials for them. We are trying to also be responsive
to people who want a lot of detail, and we're
trying to be responsive to those and so you know,
we asked for a guest folks patients, but we asked
for folks to acknowledge that there's going to be a
lot of different materials and we're trying really really hard
to meet the public's expectations what information they need to

(01:44:10):
consider this. But this is a generational opportunity for our
province and I've got to be careful and go to
political here. But you know, as somebody who's materially involved
in this. I really believe this is it's got all
the right inputs and it's a great opportunity for us
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
I appreciate your time. Thank you, Jennifer y great take care.
Bye bye, Jennifer William, CEO and president of Hydro. Let's
take a break. Welcome back to the program. Let's go
to line number two. Gene, you're on the air.

Speaker 16 (01:44:40):
Good morning. How are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
I'm okay, thank you. How about you?

Speaker 16 (01:44:44):
I'm okay. I'm a little bit I do want to
say a little bit upset. I've been listening to all
the promises that's been made lately, all the dollars that's
going to be provided, and meantime, there's countless diabetics out

(01:45:05):
there that can't get financial assistance with their medication and subliged.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Like why, good question. I mean, I don't know why
we haven't signed on to the National Pharmacare Plan as taxpayers.
I'm already chipping in on the program, period, So why
are people in this profits not able to take advantage
of it? I just don't understand.

Speaker 16 (01:45:31):
Me either, And I have my daughter just recently found
out that she's diabetic. She works minimum wage part time,
and you know she can't afford she's spending money she
doesn't have to stay alive basically, And you know when

(01:45:55):
I hear say, you know, I really need the but
I can't. I can't do it right now because I
need the money for my needles and my cancers and
you know the rest of the things I need. And
that's heartbreaking, That is very heartbreaking. You know, she needs help.

Speaker 17 (01:46:18):
Every There's millions of people that need help with diabetes
and it's not there in this province.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Yeah. I mean, I've been asking that question for quite
a long time because we were really quick to sign
on to the school lunch program, and we were quick
to sign on to the ten dollars a day program.
But for some reason, we're dragging our feet on pharmacare
and we're not the only problence even if someone just
told me, well, here's why we're not okay, but currently
there's no reason off for us to why we're not so. Consequently,

(01:46:52):
people like your family and another families and other listeners
are thinking, why am I continuing to come out of
pocket for diabetes medications and supple Why am I to
continue to come out of pocket for contraceptives when the
federal government has funded a program exactly.

Speaker 16 (01:47:08):
For instance, the addicts will get free methadone, free needles.
You know, everything is free. I have no problem those
people need help too, But you know, so does the dignetics.
It's you know, it's like shaving medication. And I don't

(01:47:31):
know why they're they're not they're not being helped out
of it either.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
You make a good point. I mean, we've heard from
different individuals in the provinces that are in the same boat,
paying out of pocket for supplies and medications, and they're
asking the exact same question, and it's a very very
good one.

Speaker 16 (01:47:49):
Well, you know, I've sent me emails to all the candidates,
no reply. I even sent an email to Mark Towney's office,
no reply.

Speaker 11 (01:48:07):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:48:07):
But still they're talking about, oh, we're going to do
this and we're going to do that. Fine, I got
no problem with helping anybody, but these diabetics they need
help too.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
Absolutely, I'm with you a hundred percent.

Speaker 16 (01:48:27):
Well, I'm hoping that somebody in the campaign is listening
and they're don't open their eyes and realize that these
are human beings that that need life saving medication and
you know, a new, a new, a new, a new

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housing unit is needed, but so is medication.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
A greed. Really appreciate your time this morning, Jane. Thanks
for doing it.

Speaker 16 (01:49:04):
Thank you. Great day, the.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
Same to you. Bye bye. All right, let's get too break.
We're making back one is in the QEU to talk
about the process of regarding special ballots, and then plenty
time for you. Don't go away the Tim Powers Show.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
Joining the conversation weekday afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
Welcome back to the show. Let's go to line umber
three one. You're on the air.

Speaker 10 (01:49:25):
Good morning, Patty.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
How are you not too bad? Thanks? Howbout you?

Speaker 10 (01:49:29):
I am good, Patty. Following this morning, I guess concerning
the special ballad process, I'm feeling them into a area
that a lot of people could be into regarding the ballad.
So for more context here, I applied for a special
ballad on the twenty second of September, which was before

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the postal strike. I ended up being out of town
like a lot of New fi Landers, right on a
New Shidding trip for a week. Didn't get any news,
any updates of any kind. It was not aware that
I wouldn't receive my ballad. Wasn't aware from you know,
media telling us that you know, you could cancel your

(01:50:10):
special ballot and.

Speaker 4 (01:50:11):
Getting another way.

Speaker 10 (01:50:13):
I went to the advanced full last evening, spent an
hour there trying to actually get a vote that way,
and I was told I already voted, which I haven't.
I proceeded during that last sevening to show to people
that the status of my applications showed that I did
not receive that ballad yet I was marked as voted,

(01:50:35):
and I said that to me is incorrect. I haven't voted.
I've received nothing. I'm not going to receive anything. And
you know, the whole reason obviously for applying for the
special ballod was I was going to be out of
province on election day. So that's kind of a background.
I felt a lot of people, a lot of moves
hunters out of town, not getting updates. I wasn't aware

(01:50:58):
there was a courier service or anything like that that
would deliver these and they know, extremely frustrated about just
doing basically great and trying to vote.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
Yeah, I mean, I know the process was once the
postles strut kicked in, is if that you canceled your
special ballot, then you would be you know, reflected on
the voter's list as having not voted. So you weren't
aware of that, and so consequently showed up and had
to argue your way to no avail.

Speaker 10 (01:51:25):
Right, I argue, And you know, the people at the
poling stations on the next one job, Patty, I was
there for an hour. They made multiple phone calls and
everyone said, you know, George shown is voted. I said,
but you know, I'm giving you a link that was
sent to my email from elections and now shows my
status shows has not received coming from you know, elections

(01:51:46):
in itself. And yet that wasn't good enough, right, auntil
this morning and the lady that called me, which was
very helpful, she told me, you know you would have
got an email or to cancel this now. Then I
for a long time, I have no email from elections,
and now I have no email saying to cancel this process.
So I didn't hear you through remedia broadcasts. It's not

(01:52:09):
on my email, so I have no idea what she's
talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Yeah, I mean, there was bound to be plenty of
confusion when we're, you know, relying on so many ballots
to be mailed in whether be're here in the city
of Saint John's, whether be looking for a special battle
for the provincial election when the pulcils strike hit this
was inevitable and whether or not Elections and L did
a good enough job to make sure everybody knew exactly
what they had to do to ensure their right to vote.

(01:52:36):
And I understand where you're come from. I brought it
up a couple of times, but that's not enough. I
mean Elections and L through every media outlet, every avenue possible,
so that people get a chance to actually see what
the expectations are.

Speaker 10 (01:52:49):
Right and at the end of the day, and my
reason for you know, coming on the line this morning
and doing this is making people aware reach out to
Elections and NAIL. If you haven't received that, Dale, reston
get it to me this morning within a few hours,
right direct by the situation, I think this election is
really important. It's important a number of factors about you know,
Jennifer talk. You heard about hydro. I think it's the

(01:53:11):
single biggest issue for the province and everyone needs.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
To vote, no Argumentaire, I take it seriously. My ability
to cast the ballot absolutely, Thank you. Peddy I appreciate
your time on So just in summary, now it's all
been cleared up with elections and now then you're going
to get the vote.

Speaker 10 (01:53:30):
They are currying me my vote today.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
Terrific. That's the good news. I appreciate your time. Sorry
you had to go through it. Thank you, You're welcome,
Bye bye.

Speaker 4 (01:53:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
I mean there was always going to be a snag
when Canada Post went on strike, and I'm actually a
little bit surprised at the strike continues to be honest.
Let's see here, Let's go to line number one. Leila,
you're on the air.

Speaker 14 (01:53:51):
Hi, Patty, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
Very well? How about you?

Speaker 14 (01:53:55):
Well? You know, I'm doing as well as I can
be with three of my friends currently kidnapped by the
Israeli occupied forces. But yeah, I just wanted to call
in and talk about that today, just to let people
know what's happened. I don't know if people have seen,

(01:54:16):
but early this morning, at around four thirty Gazza time
or eleven PM hour time, the Freedom Platilla Coalition and
thousand Madlines were intercepted by the Israeli occupation forces. So yeah,

(01:54:38):
this was an illegal and an unlawful interception of over
ninety volunteers bringing aid to a starving population that is
going under a manufactured famine. And you know this blockade
that is happening on Gaza, it is illegal.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
It is an illegal siege.

Speaker 14 (01:55:04):
On Gaza that the Freedom Platella Coalition, thousand Madlines and
GLOBALSAMID were attempting to break so that they could bring
in humanitarian aid and create a humanitarian court, or to
encourage more organizations and more powers around the world to
step in and bring much needed baby formula, medical equipment, medication, food,

(01:55:32):
nutrition that these people desperately desperately need during this documented,
well documented famine and genocide.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Yeah, I mean for starters, I'm really sorry to hear
that your friends have been detained or abducted or whatever
the right word is. It should have never come to this.
The provision of humanitarian aid, food and otherwise has been
understood and approved by the entirety of the developed world.
Everybody knows the rules of engagement, everybody knows the definitions
of weaponization of humanitarian aid and food is a war

(01:56:04):
crime that the whole world has agreed on, So it
should have never come to Volunteers have to be part
of a flotilla to provide said eight. So I wanted
to get that out of the way. Secondly, yes, exactly.

Speaker 14 (01:56:17):
You know, like these volunteers Sadie, Nikita and Devinie would
not have had to have done this, would not have
had to, you know, put themselves in a harms way
if our representatives, if our political parties had done anything
just to step in and to act. It is because
of their inaction that we now have three Newfoulanders, three

(01:56:40):
people from our community currently in harms way, you know, kidnapped.
We do not know currently where they are, we do
not know their status. We won't know that for a while.
So it is incredibly stressful to their families, to their friends,
their loved ones, to their communities. And this would not
have had to happened, you know, regular everyday Canadians would

(01:57:03):
not have had to have stepped in and to do
this if they didn't feel like they had no other
choice because nobody else was acting.

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
I understand. So what do you suggest people do? Look,
I've mentioned this off the top of the show, and
I mentioned the girls by or the women by name,
and the suggestion is to go through your elected officials,
specifically your members of Parliament to plead with them to act.
So in addition to that, what do you think people
should understand here? What do you think people should do?

Speaker 14 (01:57:32):
I think first and foremost people need to start, you know,
really tuning in, just checking in, educating themselves on.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
Leila. Yes, okay, no you cut out there for a minute.
Sorry to start again?

Speaker 16 (01:57:49):
Oh sorry?

Speaker 14 (01:57:49):
I think first off, you know, yes, we need to
be contacting and calling a specifically Anita anand from Foreign Affairs,
David McGuinty from National Defense, Prime Minister Mark Carney, Your
local members of Parliament Paul Connors is Debonie and Nikita's MP.

(01:58:09):
Joanne Thompson is Sadie's MP. Joanne Thompson has refused to
respond or to act or to acknowledge for two years.
Several members of community have been reaching out to her
asking her to act, and she has refused to done
anything and has stood by and so contact them, pressure

(01:58:30):
them to demand the safety and the release of our
volunteers and also to impose immediate sanctions on Israel, because
Canada has an obligation based on the Geneva Convention to
prevent genocide from happening. Instead, we are actually financing it,
we're providing weapons through diplomatic cover, and to impose a

(01:58:53):
two way arms embargo. I don't know if you've just seen,
but the City of Saint John's has voted unanimously to
pass a two way arms embargo. And that is a
huge step and that is something that should be inspiring
everyone in every city, in every town across this country
to act. We also need to open up a humanitarian
quarter to break the siege on Gaza. This is what

(01:59:15):
the Freedom Plotilla was trying to do. They were trying
to open up the waves to stop Israel from imposing
this blockade and the siege, so that other people could act,
so that other governments, other organizations could act. You know,
this has been happening for seventeen years. Seventeen years this
has been illegally imposed on Gaza. And also to call

(01:59:37):
these people to provide immediate consular services to all of
the Canadians that have been unlawfully detained by Israel. It
is not just Sadie and Nikita and Devinie, who I
love very much, is also miss Classon. It's Nima and
it's Haram. There are three other Canadians who have been
kidnapped as well. And you know what really worries me,

(02:00:01):
What really worries me is that we have seen how
they are treating how they are treating, you know, people
with influence like Grete Sunberg. You know, the violence and
the aggression, the dehumanization, the psychological torture. They are getting
their medications taken from them, They're having his jabs ripped
off of Muslim women, and they're not being given food

(02:00:23):
and water. And that is what it could possibly happen,
what will likely happen to three people that I love
so dearly, and not just to them, but to everyone
that's on the flotilla. And what's happening is that this
does not even reach the severity of what Palestinian prisoners
go through. This is just what we have seen happen

(02:00:44):
to Canadian citizens, American citizens. This is nothing, nothing compares
to what Palestinian people are going through every single day.
There are thousands of Palestinians that are illegally detained, not charged,
that are prisoners that are being abused. They're being tortured sexually, psychologically, physically,

(02:01:06):
being denied food, water, medication.

Speaker 2 (02:01:11):
I understand your frustration and your anguish, Lale Fingers crossed
for some positive updated news regarding devoning Nikita and Sadie
as soon as possible.

Speaker 14 (02:01:22):
Yes, and just one last thing. If you have never
done anything to act, I'm talking to every single person
listening today. You have the ability to do something so
that you can look back and said I did something,
I had done my part to stop this genocide. There
is a value. Today four point thirty pm at City Hall,

(02:01:43):
we are showing up to demand the safety of our
community members. We are showing up to demand the stanctions
on Israel, the two way arms embargo, to open up
a humanitarian corridor to provide immediate consular services to our community.
And please show up four thirty pm at City Hall.
You have the right to make your demands hurt. You

(02:02:06):
have the right to communicate with your elected representatives. It
is unfortunate and it is it is unfortunate and shameful
that our politicians have not done anything so far.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
I appreciate your time, Leila. I wish you good luck.
Fingers crossed for a positive outcome.

Speaker 14 (02:02:21):
Thanks, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
Bye bye, all right les, take a break, don't go ahead,
welcome back to the show. Let's go. Line number six
stug you're on the air. Good morning, How are you
bes kind?

Speaker 8 (02:02:30):
You could you can hear me?

Speaker 4 (02:02:32):
Fine? I can.

Speaker 15 (02:02:34):
Yeah, I just got a quick comment about elections Newstand
Labrador and how to vote. The general public seems to.

Speaker 4 (02:02:43):
Know that.

Speaker 15 (02:02:44):
Of course, you can vote on October the fourteenth. There's
also been advanced polls in place and also mail in ballots.
But what don't seem to be avatars now that you
can't even find on the news Land Labrador elections website.
You can vote any day anytime. I'm the election office
near you is open now. Polling stations on polling Day
they're specific to your street address, but any elections office

(02:03:07):
that is open you can go down and vote. Bring
your ID son. You don't have to wait for an
advanced day. You don't have to wait for the fourteenth.
The election in Canada can call and call me on that.
But I've had family members that currently work with elections
in Finland Labrador, and I worked with the provincial elections
and set of elections in the past. You can vote
anytime the office is open, that's true.

Speaker 2 (02:03:29):
Yeah, I mean Advanced polling Day is really just opening
up the opportunity for the first crack at in person voting.

Speaker 15 (02:03:36):
Yeah, so I just seems like the general public everybody can't.
I can't make it out of fourteenth, I can't make
an advanced day, I can't get a mail in vallot. It
looks like I'm not going to be able to vote.
If you go down to your office, you vote whenever
you're available, as long as the office is open.

Speaker 8 (02:03:49):
That's just my comment.

Speaker 15 (02:03:50):
I want everybody to be aware of that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
And I'm glad you made it. Thanks for doing to
tug all right, take care of it you too, by bye.
Final words one of goes the line two recks. You're
on the air, Good morning, Patty. How are you doing okay?
How about you? Rex?

Speaker 13 (02:04:04):
Not too bad? My question goes out to our government members.
I want to know where's the labor laws to protect
the working class when you get injured or no file
to your own. You were doing what you were told
you had to do and you get injured because of it.

(02:04:24):
Why should you have to suffer abuse and harassment by
WSIB and the company. Why at the age of sixty
five does the benefit stop but you still got to
deal with the injury.

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
That's a fair question. I've never really understood the age
cut off issue, to be honest with you, but when
you make specific prints to reference to labor laws, can
you dig down just one more layer and gives some
example of what you're talking about.

Speaker 13 (02:04:55):
Like, you know, when I got injured, like we pointed
out to him, you know, didn't have the time or
space to do this, and they wanted to add more,
but the attitude was you're going to do it anyway.
You didn't have a choice.

Speaker 2 (02:05:14):
It's always been one of those things where we're told,
but you know, application in real terms is a bit
more tricky than saying, you know, you have the right
to refuse unsafe work. People are worried about refusing work
given what the ramifications might be in some of the repercussions.
So you know, it's easy enough to say it, but
it's a little bit more difficult to apply it.

Speaker 13 (02:05:33):
For sure. It is, yes, And like when you get injured,
why you've got to go through the abuse and harassment
it's put on you. You're injured as it is, but
then you know, like WSIB, they'll pass you from case
manager the case manager, hoping to stab you out or

(02:05:53):
hoping you'll just give up on it. You know they'll
just delay until hopefully you'll give up on it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:06):
That's long been a problem in you know, the big
guy versus the little guy, whether it be talking criminal
justice or otherwise. They have the ability and the money
and the time to wait you out.

Speaker 4 (02:06:16):
That's right.

Speaker 13 (02:06:16):
Yeah, you know when you got medical documents to prove
your injury is legit. But the still like you told
me that when their doctor put me out, Ford said,
oh that's hereditary. We're not allowing your claims. After walking

(02:06:38):
in physical labor all my life, all of a sudden
I was born like this.

Speaker 2 (02:06:43):
Yeah, no, obviously not, Rex. I wish we had more
time because the injured worker conversations are important. You're welcome
to join us again, but we've run right up against
the clock.

Speaker 13 (02:06:53):
Okay, And anyway, well, thank you very much, have a
good day.

Speaker 2 (02:06:57):
The same to you, Rex, all the best. Yeah, we
can rejoin that conversation our good show today, big thanks
to all hands. We will indeed pick up this conversation
again tomorrow morning right here on VOCM and big Land
FM's Open Line on behalf of the producer David Williams.
I'm your host, Patty Daily. Have yourself a safe, fun,
happy day, we'll talk in the morning. Bye bye,

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