December 8, 2025 • 20 mins
Head Coach John Harbaugh speaks with the media on Monday following the Ravens' Week 14 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Raymons Press Pass Podcast. It is Monday
to severer eighth. The Ravens fell to six and seven
on Sunday after I lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Today
we had a chance to hear from head coach John Harball.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Okay, I appreciate everybody being here, excited for the opportunity.
Been working all morning talking to different coaches and players
and preparing for the Bengals game. We have an opportunity
to win the division and that's what we're going to
be focusing on and focusing on the next game, which
is the most important game. What question do you have, John, I'm.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Sure you looked and watched the Isaiah Lakely overturn touchdown.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Since then, are you okay comfortable with the call?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Or do you.
Speaker 6 (00:52):
After watching it, do you feel there needs to be
more clarification on what.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Is a catch?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
That's a complicated kind of a question there, Like, am
I comfortable?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
No? Do I think there is more clarification? Yeah, it's
it's about as clear as mud right now. That's how
I feel about.
Speaker 7 (01:10):
It makes sense to you that when a guy gets
two feet in, you know, on the sidelines, that's a catch.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
You hit the pyelong with football, that's a touchdown. You
break the plane, that's a touchdown. But somehow that's God
ruled a touchdown yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, there's a lot to it, and there's that's a conversation.
We had a conversation with the league office and they
were they were gracious enough to spend a lot of
time on the phone with myself and Eric and Tony
Mahaalok and and we appreciate that. It didn't clear anything up.
It didn't make it any easier to understand. And either
one of the two calls, h they're they're very uh
(01:50):
very hard to understand how they get overturned, but they did.
And uh, that's where it stands.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
That cost you the game.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You never know what costs you the game.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
You said two calls. Did you discussed with.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Them the Travis Jones call or is that another you'd
go ahead different process because that one of them didn't
go through.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We did discuss the Travis Jones call as well. And
the Travis Jones call they told me, and they told
me I was I had permission to state this that
it was a wrong call that should not have been called.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
That is it in that kind of saying it has
to be forcible contact with the head and neck area.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
It's not just.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Correct. That's the rule is not forcible contact to a
defensive player. It's not whether you run a player over
trying to block a field goal. That has nothing to
do with it. It's forcible contact to the head in
that area.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
John, do you have anough kind of Pete Mitchell?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Day to day? That's the updates day to day. Got
good news where we're at tomorrow and Wednesday looking forward
to that. Yes, John, on the likely.
Speaker 8 (03:08):
Touched it, the one that was called not a touchdown?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Were you fine with how he caught?
Speaker 8 (03:13):
Is that how you guys want him to catch the
ball in that situation trying to keep it out considered.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
The defender is right there behind.
Speaker 9 (03:21):
No just going back to the Aaron Rodgers play, the
Teddy Buchanan overturned there, did you sort of look at
that as well? How is likely playing not a catch
and not a catch?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Is that? It was that your view of it?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
That's part of the conversation. Sure, that's that's uh. That
was in the weaved into the conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
What was kind of kind of the experience.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I mean, we can get into it all. Do we
really want to get into the depth of all that
kind of conversation. I mean, I mean, you know you're
going to the ground. You have to have control of
the football. You gotta, you gotta, you have to survive
the ground when you make a catch. I mean, that's
that's what it is. You know, there's you can't say
the time elements like that, and he satisfies the time
element when you're going to the ground. The time element
doesn't apply to going to the ground. So it's pretty
(04:09):
clear cut.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
John, you discussed a little bit at the end of
the day.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
When you go back and watch the last possession, the
two minute two minute possession at the end, what m h.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
It didn't seem smooth. You mentioned that yesterday. What what
do you think broke down? What happened there?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Uh, it wasn't good enough. Just leave it at that,
suffice to say, we have to be better in those
situations we had. We we weren't in the right spot
all the time. It took a little. It took us.
We had to flip a formation one time, basically the
one time that the clock was running on us. We
had to change the side that we were relyed on.
That's what came up on that one player talking about
in the two minute drive.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Can you what you saw there?
Speaker 10 (04:47):
Was?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
There was a fourth down play.
Speaker 10 (04:49):
Where it looked like Lamar was looking for DeAndre Hopkins,
but Mark came through it and took the ball.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Was that ball intended for DeAndre?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I don't know. I don't know, and he'd a bad
light and have a chance to talk to more about
that yet, I'm not sure who it was who was
intended to throw to. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
What did you see on film?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I don't know. I can't only who's intending to throw to.
I mean, it could have been maybe caught by Mark,
maybe could have been caught by hop if it hadn't
been tipped. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
You were sitting and talking to Lamorrow when we came
in the locker room yesterday. Was that you were reacting
to any sort of distress or frustrating that you saw
from him? Was it just a normal conversation sort of
lived his spirits?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
What?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
What?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Why? Was that?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's probably all of it, you know, I mean, it's
it's uh. You guys are in the locker room like
less than ten minutes after the game's over, you know,
in that deal and and uh, and then that was
a little that was a little longer because that was
after the press conference, I think, right, And that's why
I happened to walk back and I see Lamari still
in his uniform, you know, in his locker, and uh,
it was they felt like the right thing to do
to sit down and have a conversation. I really didn't.
(05:51):
I don't think either one of us really processed that.
You guys were all in there. But you are in there.
It's normal, you know, so we're used to that. And uh,
we just had a conversation about stuff, know, and how
we're feeling and a lot of different things and we
have a great relationship and friendship and and we're processing it.
At that point in time.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
We didn't see Emery Jones at all. Is it just
a weekly thing? And or you kind of reevaluating well.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, he played okay in the game. It wasn't better
than either one of the other two guys in the
first game. You know, he did not play those guys.
So you're going into the game with your best guys
that you feel are playing the best. So you got
to meet players where they're at and not to say,
not to say you couldn't get more time this week,
you know, based on what happens in practice or how
guys are doing health wise and those sort of things.
But you know, that's that's that's where it was at.
(06:39):
So I mean, Emory's doing great. I mean he's in
a great place. I love where he's at, and I
think if he went out there, he'd compete like crazy,
and he probably I think he played great because I
would trust him to go play great. But based on
that formance, you couldn't say it was better, you know,
or even the same.
Speaker 9 (06:56):
John, we mentioned the swing path muchdown to Dayalen War
and you said that was one of our worst plays,
not of.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Things broke down if you go back and watch it again.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Now, what was it that led that whole half of
the field basically to the open for just too.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Miss assignments, two guys not covering the correct guy. You know,
I was pretty straightforward. You know, it doesn't happen very often.
We haven't had many of those all year, you know,
and I think maybe one or maybe two total all year,
which I'm kind of proud of. But he came up there,
and it's a head scratcher. You know so, but it happened,
(07:36):
is that it.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
John with going forward with the.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
With the offensive line, we ask you a lot about changes.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Will you pleased to have that group played as a
whole on Sunday?
Speaker 6 (07:50):
I know there's been a lot of talk about five
alas play and how he got beat on a couple occasions.
What did you see when you evaluated him and as
you continue to.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Evaluate, Yeah, I just I just talked to Georgia Moore
up about it. You know, it's all in all. I
thought the offensive line played well all in all, you know.
And I thought the two tackles played two of their
better best games. Roger overset one time got beat inside
on a certain type of pass protection. Tyler played really well.
I thought the guards played exceptionally well in the run game.
(08:19):
I mean they were moving people, they were they were
they were wearing people out, you know, so that was
good to see. I thought they were mostly mostly good
in the past game, but two inconsistent. Probably there was
two or three each of them had. Probably uh Daniel
had had a couple in the past game, and and
Andrew might have had one or two in the run game.
He wants back, but every player has plays they want back.
(08:39):
You know, I can think of one where Daniel uh
was was was hard setting like a hard play action
when it was more of a drop back pass type protection,
got over extended and got beat like that. You know
that's uh that really shouldn't happen. I mean, you know
he should he should he should be setting a different
way there. You know he knows that. So that was mistake. Uh.
Lots of other times it was good. We got towards
(09:00):
the end on a three a two man inside game,
you know that we would have been we could have
done a better job on keep them are clean right
at the end of the game. There so things like
that that need to be better from the interior guys.
Speaker 10 (09:15):
I talked about a little bit after the being the
press stage, they were keep shots.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
You know, there was a lot of talk, you know,
outside talk anyway about how little.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
They didn't pushed the ball down on the field over the
last month. How much of a talking point was that
during the week they might try that. Were you guys.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
Surprised and they took their shots and I guess just
looking at those players, you know, anything that's stood out
of out.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, No, they were, I mean they were they were
good throws and good catches, and they're right kind of
they're both. They were all covered. You know, we might
have had the one on the left sideline that there
was a step of separation there. We felt good about.
We didn't play press all the whole game, by any stretch,
but they caught whenever we were in pressed. I think
through through you know, they that was one of their
(09:54):
checks impressed to go get it. So, you know, you
probably go back and rethink that a little bit, no situation.
But we played play press a lot of times. We
took away a lot of routes too, so we felt
like we would. We know we're good at that. You know,
we do a good job of jamming people at the
line and covering people. We've been exceptional, you know in
man coverage. So but those plays were made, you know,
and it was it was it was really all they
(10:16):
had that And then he was able to get out
a couple of times. I think of the play right
to start the second half. You know, we got out.
It was crazy that he got out there and hit
that scramble, scrambled played for a big chunk that got
him a field goal. I believe. So those two things
I think those the fades was four of them, and
the scramble play are the really the four plays that
you'd say, hey, you know what, those are the plays
(10:39):
that kind of that was the core of their whole
offensive production. Really the whole game. All the other things,
I mean things like the run game. We took it away,
the run after the catch game, we took it away.
I was proud of that. And we played we we
we uh, the underneath routes, we drove, we tackled really well,
you know. So those are all points of emphasis as well.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
What was about the I think it was a third
and two rate before the fourth and five?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, what what? What broke down?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
We just didn't you know, as you look back on it,
I mean it was, uh, it's crazy that that happened,
you know. And I don't think we had an understanding
uh between the box and h in the field in
terms of what we were what we wanted to do there,
you know, and that's communication. Well, we gotta take responsibility
for that as a coaching on the coaching side, so
(11:29):
you know, I'll take responsibility for that one. That's uh,
it shouldn't happen. We thought we were gonna be okay
with the formation, and it didn't turn out we were
you know, so if I had to do it again,
I definitely would have called time out if I had
of known that felt that way.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
Sean, when you guys added DeAndre Hopkins in the off season,
I guess what we were expectations for role And how
is that compared to how you.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Guys have used him so far?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, I'd like to be using DeAndre more. You know,
we got a couple of throws, you know, just kind
of sometimes it's just the way that the game goes
a little bit. But you know, he's not out there
all the time. He's not. He's not. I don't think
he's at the stage of his career where he's gonna
play every play, you know, so you know, when he's
out there, you really want to And we've talked a
lot about this, trying to be intentional about him being
out there for specific purposes and to do the things
(12:14):
that he does well, which we all kind of know
what those things are. So I will say that, like,
if you go back and you watch the game, you're
going to see him playing his tailoff. I mean, he's
running routes, he's he's fighting to get open. He's blocking. Uh,
he's he's competing. He's doing everything he can. That's what
I admire about him and love about him. He's he's
(12:34):
just become one of my favorite favorite players ever, you know.
And we're gonna we're gonna, we're gonna be we are
gonna be friends for a long time, you know. And
we've had a lot, he and I've had a lot
of these conversations. But yes, he's next this next game,
and he's next four games and into the playoffs. Let's
let's get him involved more.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
We really need to try to do that. We have
been trying to do it. We can do it hasn't
fallen for us. But I still believe he's gonna make
plays for us. They are gonna make.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
John did this the holding on the special teams play before?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Do you think that was a legitimate I know, the like,
what did you see on that?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I think he went to the ground. You know what
caused him to go to the ground. I couldn't tell. Well,
that'd be one that will send in and ask him about.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
I'm sure he's probably the fact that the guy in
the far in through the flag and not the guys
that were closest to it.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, I mean I don't know. I can't I who knows.
Who knows why they called stuff? Sometimes?
Speaker 11 (13:38):
How do you guys kind of formulate Lamar's practice plans?
He EASA last week that Wednesday would maybe the rest day,
and he played, and they practice and stead this Thursday,
And just like how important is kind of modulating everything,
especially with you know, I.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Mean Lamar Lamar, Yeah, I get it. It's there's not
a science. There's there's no science here. You know, you
want to have everybody practice and every day. I mean,
that's what it's your goal, you know, as a coach.
But it's a long season, man, I mean these guys,
these guys go through a lot. You know, Lamar as
much as anybody's got the ball in his hand every play,
he's making plays, he's doing what he does. He's competing
(14:14):
like crazy, you know. So there's gonna be times where
he's just not going to be up for practice. It's
just not going to be the best way to go
about doing it. And that's a conversation between you know, Lamar,
the trainers. You know, we're involved in that to some degree,
But you know, what's best for him to be ready
to play his best on Sunday. That's really what matters.
And so sure you'd rather have everybody practicing all the time,
(14:35):
but if it's not the best thing to practice because
you want to get your body right, that's that's definitely
got to you know. I think you have to respect
that as a coach. I think you have. I know
you have to respect that as a coach. So I
respect Lamar and his judgment. And I thought he played
very well. You know, I thought he played very well
in the game.
Speaker 11 (14:53):
I guess with how long he's been this time of system,
it's not like, you know, there are parts.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Of play what they want to be able to. He's
not off the field or.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Anything like that, right, Yeah, how long he's did in
this offense under the top munket.
Speaker 11 (15:07):
He's not like missing practice me thinking he's off the
table for the offense.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Absolutely absolutely. I mean he knows the offense, you know.
And I think if you look at the game, you
would have to say he looked good physically. You know,
he was moving well. So consider that, you know, he
was he was moving around pretty darn good. And that's
a positive. And I was happy to see it.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
John they got some good starting field positions, and I'll
figure kickoffs yesterday. What is Tyler's target? Almost is like
is he trying to get into the five? And sometimes
it holds up at the ten? Like what is the
goal on the kick?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Okay, I mean yeah, we want you know, the short
kicks are the ones that are coming out past the
thirty thirty five. I mean it's just so simple, you know.
So no, we don't want the short kicks. We're not
trying to kick the ball at the ten or fifteen
yard line. You know, those are those are really tough
to cover. You know, it's hard you catch about to fifteen,
I mean, how far do you have to run? You know? So, uh,
(16:03):
those are too short, you know. And he's a young guy,
he's a rookie, you know, and so he's working on it.
He's not consistent at this point. We need to be
more consistent. We'd like to have the ball, yeah, five
inside the five. You know, if it leaks into the
end zone, it leaks into the end zone, you know sometimes,
So that's kind of where we're.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
At with it. Is a technique thing? Is it a
reacting to the conditions thing?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Is you know, it's a lot of things. It's a
lot of things. It's you know, it's it's you out
there and you try to You're trying to put that
ball down the field. You're trying to kick it right,
and sometimes sometimes you don't hit it right, you know,
And it's it's probably more like golf than anything else.
Do you play golf?
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Child's not not in any way.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Right, So you've probably come up short on your chip
shots quite a bit. You know, he's coming up short
on those, you know, And it's not Tyler. I love you.
You know, he knows. We've had the conversation, so we
want those balls deeper.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
John, you mentioned the uh you'd send them play in
on the punt return on the punt holding penalty. And this,
if I can go back to the conversation you had
about the about the replay play and the Frus Jones play.
Was that call you guys initiated this morning and is
that unusual for you to do?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yes? And yes, that's not. I think I've done it
one other time this year so far. I'll say this.
Perry Fuel Walt Coleman are great.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Those are the two guys that that interact with the
coaches directly. We don't get to interact with anybody else,
whoever else, whoever else there is back there behind the scenes.
But those two guys are the guys that relate to
the coaches. And anytime I've ever called those guys, I
mean I've known those guys for over twenty close to
twenty eight years, both those guys, and they they're they're excellent,
(17:44):
and they're honest, and sometimes it's tough on them to
explain it. So I understand that too.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
That's who you had. The conversation was both with them.
Speaker 10 (17:56):
What's the lake in the room when you got to
hang on the phone and they tell you, yeah, we
got something wrong, but you know, if there's nothing we
can do about it.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Now, yeah, we move on.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
You know, we move on. We just like our team does.
You know, it's it's it's our job to make it right.
You know that you can't. You just you're not gonna
expect everything to go your way. You're gonna get Uh.
This is a great there's a great Passes and Second
Corinthians that talks about you know, these kind of things,
trials and tribulations and things like that. They they create
an enduring toughness and hope, you know, and that's you
look at it that way, we understand what the good
(18:28):
that can come from these challenges. And I if we
become the type of team that can overcome these types
of things, then you become the type of team that
can that can go far. And I think that's true
for football. It's also true for life or family, for
your kids. When you talk to your kids, all these things,
these are like, these are self and these are these
are enduring, self evident principles that we try to talk
to our guys about. So let's apply them to our
(18:50):
football team right now. And uh yeah, okay, those those
calls were we're we're trials and tribulations put it that way,
and you know what, let's overcome them. Let's let's uh,
let's let's let's beat them.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
We've actually got rid zone a lot this year, two
for six again yesterday. I mean, at this point in
the season, does it feel like you're kind of running
out of options and in ways to try to fix.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
That situation, because because we don't run out of hope,
you know, I mean, it's like I'm not I'm not
a hopeless person, So we don't run out of options.
You know, we keep we keep we keep working, and
we keep developing, and we keep coming back and keep fighting.
We don't throw up our hands and say we're out
of options. We don't do that. So the answer that
is a firm no, John.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
We haven't asked you about a while. Has there been
any clarity in no day? Might av gay situation? Do
you know any more about that that you can share?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Uh? No, not that I can share. There's there's a
lot going on there. It's in with NMBI.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
And I.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I'd love to I'd love to share some stuff, but
I can't share it right now.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Okay, agree question.
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Welcome to the Raymons Press Pass Podcast. It is Monday
to severer eighth. The Ravens fell to six and seven
on Sunday after I lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Today
we had a chance to hear from head coach John Harball.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Okay, I appreciate everybody being here, excited for the opportunity.
Been working all morning talking to different coaches and players
and preparing for the Bengals game. We have an opportunity
to win the division and that's what we're going to
be focusing on and focusing on the next game, which
is the most important game. What question do you have, John, I'm.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Sure you looked and watched the Isaiah Lakely overturn touchdown.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Since then, are you okay comfortable with the call?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Or do you.
Speaker 6 (00:52):
After watching it, do you feel there needs to be
more clarification on what.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Is a catch?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
That's a complicated kind of a question there, Like, am
I comfortable?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
No? Do I think there is more clarification? Yeah, it's
it's about as clear as mud right now. That's how
I feel about.
Speaker 7 (01:10):
It makes sense to you that when a guy gets
two feet in, you know, on the sidelines, that's a catch.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
You hit the pyelong with football, that's a touchdown. You
break the plane, that's a touchdown. But somehow that's God
ruled a touchdown yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, there's a lot to it, and there's that's a conversation.
We had a conversation with the league office and they
were they were gracious enough to spend a lot of
time on the phone with myself and Eric and Tony
Mahaalok and and we appreciate that. It didn't clear anything up.
It didn't make it any easier to understand. And either
one of the two calls, h they're they're very uh
(01:50):
very hard to understand how they get overturned, but they did.
And uh, that's where it stands.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
That cost you the game.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You never know what costs you the game.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
You said two calls. Did you discussed with.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Them the Travis Jones call or is that another you'd
go ahead different process because that one of them didn't
go through.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We did discuss the Travis Jones call as well. And
the Travis Jones call they told me, and they told
me I was I had permission to state this that
it was a wrong call that should not have been called.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
That is it in that kind of saying it has
to be forcible contact with the head and neck area.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
It's not just.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Correct. That's the rule is not forcible contact to a
defensive player. It's not whether you run a player over
trying to block a field goal. That has nothing to
do with it. It's forcible contact to the head in
that area.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
John, do you have anough kind of Pete Mitchell?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Day to day? That's the updates day to day. Got
good news where we're at tomorrow and Wednesday looking forward
to that. Yes, John, on the likely.
Speaker 8 (03:08):
Touched it, the one that was called not a touchdown?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Were you fine with how he caught?
Speaker 8 (03:13):
Is that how you guys want him to catch the
ball in that situation trying to keep it out considered.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
The defender is right there behind.
Speaker 9 (03:21):
No just going back to the Aaron Rodgers play, the
Teddy Buchanan overturned there, did you sort of look at
that as well? How is likely playing not a catch
and not a catch?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Is that? It was that your view of it?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
That's part of the conversation. Sure, that's that's uh. That
was in the weaved into the conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
What was kind of kind of the experience.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I mean, we can get into it all. Do we
really want to get into the depth of all that
kind of conversation. I mean, I mean, you know you're
going to the ground. You have to have control of
the football. You gotta, you gotta, you have to survive
the ground when you make a catch. I mean, that's
that's what it is. You know, there's you can't say
the time elements like that, and he satisfies the time
element when you're going to the ground. The time element
doesn't apply to going to the ground. So it's pretty
(04:09):
clear cut.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
John, you discussed a little bit at the end of
the day.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
When you go back and watch the last possession, the
two minute two minute possession at the end, what m h.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
It didn't seem smooth. You mentioned that yesterday. What what
do you think broke down? What happened there?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Uh, it wasn't good enough. Just leave it at that,
suffice to say, we have to be better in those
situations we had. We we weren't in the right spot
all the time. It took a little. It took us.
We had to flip a formation one time, basically the
one time that the clock was running on us. We
had to change the side that we were relyed on.
That's what came up on that one player talking about
in the two minute drive.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Can you what you saw there?
Speaker 10 (04:47):
Was?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
There was a fourth down play.
Speaker 10 (04:49):
Where it looked like Lamar was looking for DeAndre Hopkins,
but Mark came through it and took the ball.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Was that ball intended for DeAndre?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I don't know. I don't know, and he'd a bad
light and have a chance to talk to more about
that yet, I'm not sure who it was who was
intended to throw to. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
What did you see on film?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I don't know. I can't only who's intending to throw to.
I mean, it could have been maybe caught by Mark,
maybe could have been caught by hop if it hadn't
been tipped. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
You were sitting and talking to Lamorrow when we came
in the locker room yesterday. Was that you were reacting
to any sort of distress or frustrating that you saw
from him? Was it just a normal conversation sort of
lived his spirits?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
What?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
What?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Why? Was that?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's probably all of it, you know, I mean, it's
it's uh. You guys are in the locker room like
less than ten minutes after the game's over, you know,
in that deal and and uh, and then that was
a little that was a little longer because that was
after the press conference, I think, right, And that's why
I happened to walk back and I see Lamari still
in his uniform, you know, in his locker, and uh,
it was they felt like the right thing to do
to sit down and have a conversation. I really didn't.
(05:51):
I don't think either one of us really processed that.
You guys were all in there. But you are in there.
It's normal, you know, so we're used to that. And uh,
we just had a conversation about stuff, know, and how
we're feeling and a lot of different things and we
have a great relationship and friendship and and we're processing it.
At that point in time.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
We didn't see Emery Jones at all. Is it just
a weekly thing? And or you kind of reevaluating well.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, he played okay in the game. It wasn't better
than either one of the other two guys in the
first game. You know, he did not play those guys.
So you're going into the game with your best guys
that you feel are playing the best. So you got
to meet players where they're at and not to say,
not to say you couldn't get more time this week,
you know, based on what happens in practice or how
guys are doing health wise and those sort of things.
But you know, that's that's that's where it was at.
(06:39):
So I mean, Emory's doing great. I mean he's in
a great place. I love where he's at, and I
think if he went out there, he'd compete like crazy,
and he probably I think he played great because I
would trust him to go play great. But based on
that formance, you couldn't say it was better, you know,
or even the same.
Speaker 9 (06:56):
John, we mentioned the swing path muchdown to Dayalen War
and you said that was one of our worst plays,
not of.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Things broke down if you go back and watch it again.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Now, what was it that led that whole half of
the field basically to the open for just too.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Miss assignments, two guys not covering the correct guy. You know,
I was pretty straightforward. You know, it doesn't happen very often.
We haven't had many of those all year, you know,
and I think maybe one or maybe two total all year,
which I'm kind of proud of. But he came up there,
and it's a head scratcher. You know so, but it happened,
(07:36):
is that it.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
John with going forward with the.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
With the offensive line, we ask you a lot about changes.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Will you pleased to have that group played as a
whole on Sunday?
Speaker 6 (07:50):
I know there's been a lot of talk about five
alas play and how he got beat on a couple occasions.
What did you see when you evaluated him and as
you continue to.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Evaluate, Yeah, I just I just talked to Georgia Moore
up about it. You know, it's all in all. I
thought the offensive line played well all in all, you know.
And I thought the two tackles played two of their
better best games. Roger overset one time got beat inside
on a certain type of pass protection. Tyler played really well.
I thought the guards played exceptionally well in the run game.
(08:19):
I mean they were moving people, they were they were
they were wearing people out, you know, so that was
good to see. I thought they were mostly mostly good
in the past game, but two inconsistent. Probably there was
two or three each of them had. Probably uh Daniel
had had a couple in the past game, and and
Andrew might have had one or two in the run game.
He wants back, but every player has plays they want back.
(08:39):
You know, I can think of one where Daniel uh
was was was hard setting like a hard play action
when it was more of a drop back pass type protection,
got over extended and got beat like that. You know
that's uh that really shouldn't happen. I mean, you know
he should he should he should be setting a different
way there. You know he knows that. So that was mistake. Uh.
Lots of other times it was good. We got towards
(09:00):
the end on a three a two man inside game,
you know that we would have been we could have
done a better job on keep them are clean right
at the end of the game. There so things like
that that need to be better from the interior guys.
Speaker 10 (09:15):
I talked about a little bit after the being the
press stage, they were keep shots.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
You know, there was a lot of talk, you know,
outside talk anyway about how little.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
They didn't pushed the ball down on the field over the
last month. How much of a talking point was that
during the week they might try that. Were you guys.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
Surprised and they took their shots and I guess just
looking at those players, you know, anything that's stood out
of out.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, No, they were, I mean they were they were
good throws and good catches, and they're right kind of
they're both. They were all covered. You know, we might
have had the one on the left sideline that there
was a step of separation there. We felt good about.
We didn't play press all the whole game, by any stretch,
but they caught whenever we were in pressed. I think
through through you know, they that was one of their
(09:54):
checks impressed to go get it. So, you know, you
probably go back and rethink that a little bit, no situation.
But we played play press a lot of times. We
took away a lot of routes too, so we felt
like we would. We know we're good at that. You know,
we do a good job of jamming people at the
line and covering people. We've been exceptional, you know in
man coverage. So but those plays were made, you know,
and it was it was it was really all they
(10:16):
had that And then he was able to get out
a couple of times. I think of the play right
to start the second half. You know, we got out.
It was crazy that he got out there and hit
that scramble, scrambled played for a big chunk that got
him a field goal. I believe. So those two things
I think those the fades was four of them, and
the scramble play are the really the four plays that
you'd say, hey, you know what, those are the plays
(10:39):
that kind of that was the core of their whole
offensive production. Really the whole game. All the other things,
I mean things like the run game. We took it away,
the run after the catch game, we took it away.
I was proud of that. And we played we we
we uh, the underneath routes, we drove, we tackled really well,
you know. So those are all points of emphasis as well.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
What was about the I think it was a third
and two rate before the fourth and five?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, what what? What broke down?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
We just didn't you know, as you look back on it,
I mean it was, uh, it's crazy that that happened,
you know. And I don't think we had an understanding
uh between the box and h in the field in
terms of what we were what we wanted to do there,
you know, and that's communication. Well, we gotta take responsibility
for that as a coaching on the coaching side, so
(11:29):
you know, I'll take responsibility for that one. That's uh,
it shouldn't happen. We thought we were gonna be okay
with the formation, and it didn't turn out we were
you know, so if I had to do it again,
I definitely would have called time out if I had
of known that felt that way.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
Sean, when you guys added DeAndre Hopkins in the off season,
I guess what we were expectations for role And how
is that compared to how you.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Guys have used him so far?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, I'd like to be using DeAndre more. You know,
we got a couple of throws, you know, just kind
of sometimes it's just the way that the game goes
a little bit. But you know, he's not out there
all the time. He's not. He's not. I don't think
he's at the stage of his career where he's gonna
play every play, you know, so you know, when he's
out there, you really want to And we've talked a
lot about this, trying to be intentional about him being
out there for specific purposes and to do the things
(12:14):
that he does well, which we all kind of know
what those things are. So I will say that, like,
if you go back and you watch the game, you're
going to see him playing his tailoff. I mean, he's
running routes, he's he's fighting to get open. He's blocking. Uh,
he's he's competing. He's doing everything he can. That's what
I admire about him and love about him. He's he's
(12:34):
just become one of my favorite favorite players ever, you know.
And we're gonna we're gonna, we're gonna be we are
gonna be friends for a long time, you know. And
we've had a lot, he and I've had a lot
of these conversations. But yes, he's next this next game,
and he's next four games and into the playoffs. Let's
let's get him involved more.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
We really need to try to do that. We have
been trying to do it. We can do it hasn't
fallen for us. But I still believe he's gonna make
plays for us. They are gonna make.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
John did this the holding on the special teams play before?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Do you think that was a legitimate I know, the like,
what did you see on that?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I think he went to the ground. You know what
caused him to go to the ground. I couldn't tell. Well,
that'd be one that will send in and ask him about.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
I'm sure he's probably the fact that the guy in
the far in through the flag and not the guys
that were closest to it.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, I mean I don't know. I can't I who knows.
Who knows why they called stuff? Sometimes?
Speaker 11 (13:38):
How do you guys kind of formulate Lamar's practice plans?
He EASA last week that Wednesday would maybe the rest day,
and he played, and they practice and stead this Thursday,
And just like how important is kind of modulating everything,
especially with you know, I.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Mean Lamar Lamar, Yeah, I get it. It's there's not
a science. There's there's no science here. You know, you
want to have everybody practice and every day. I mean,
that's what it's your goal, you know, as a coach.
But it's a long season, man, I mean these guys,
these guys go through a lot. You know, Lamar as
much as anybody's got the ball in his hand every play,
he's making plays, he's doing what he does. He's competing
(14:14):
like crazy, you know. So there's gonna be times where
he's just not going to be up for practice. It's
just not going to be the best way to go
about doing it. And that's a conversation between you know, Lamar,
the trainers. You know, we're involved in that to some degree,
But you know, what's best for him to be ready
to play his best on Sunday. That's really what matters.
And so sure you'd rather have everybody practicing all the time,
(14:35):
but if it's not the best thing to practice because
you want to get your body right, that's that's definitely
got to you know. I think you have to respect
that as a coach. I think you have. I know
you have to respect that as a coach. So I
respect Lamar and his judgment. And I thought he played
very well. You know, I thought he played very well
in the game.
Speaker 11 (14:53):
I guess with how long he's been this time of system,
it's not like, you know, there are parts.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Of play what they want to be able to. He's
not off the field or.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Anything like that, right, Yeah, how long he's did in
this offense under the top munket.
Speaker 11 (15:07):
He's not like missing practice me thinking he's off the
table for the offense.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Absolutely absolutely. I mean he knows the offense, you know.
And I think if you look at the game, you
would have to say he looked good physically. You know,
he was moving well. So consider that, you know, he
was he was moving around pretty darn good. And that's
a positive. And I was happy to see it.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
John they got some good starting field positions, and I'll
figure kickoffs yesterday. What is Tyler's target? Almost is like
is he trying to get into the five? And sometimes
it holds up at the ten? Like what is the
goal on the kick?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Okay, I mean yeah, we want you know, the short
kicks are the ones that are coming out past the
thirty thirty five. I mean it's just so simple, you know.
So no, we don't want the short kicks. We're not
trying to kick the ball at the ten or fifteen
yard line. You know, those are those are really tough
to cover. You know, it's hard you catch about to fifteen,
I mean, how far do you have to run? You know? So, uh,
(16:03):
those are too short, you know. And he's a young guy,
he's a rookie, you know, and so he's working on it.
He's not consistent at this point. We need to be
more consistent. We'd like to have the ball, yeah, five
inside the five. You know, if it leaks into the
end zone, it leaks into the end zone, you know sometimes,
So that's kind of where we're.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
At with it. Is a technique thing? Is it a
reacting to the conditions thing?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Is you know, it's a lot of things. It's a
lot of things. It's you know, it's it's you out
there and you try to You're trying to put that
ball down the field. You're trying to kick it right,
and sometimes sometimes you don't hit it right, you know,
And it's it's probably more like golf than anything else.
Do you play golf?
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Child's not not in any way.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Right, So you've probably come up short on your chip
shots quite a bit. You know, he's coming up short
on those, you know, And it's not Tyler. I love you.
You know, he knows. We've had the conversation, so we
want those balls deeper.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
John, you mentioned the uh you'd send them play in
on the punt return on the punt holding penalty. And this,
if I can go back to the conversation you had
about the about the replay play and the Frus Jones play.
Was that call you guys initiated this morning and is
that unusual for you to do?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yes? And yes, that's not. I think I've done it
one other time this year so far. I'll say this.
Perry Fuel Walt Coleman are great.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Those are the two guys that that interact with the
coaches directly. We don't get to interact with anybody else,
whoever else, whoever else there is back there behind the scenes.
But those two guys are the guys that relate to
the coaches. And anytime I've ever called those guys, I
mean I've known those guys for over twenty close to
twenty eight years, both those guys, and they they're they're excellent,
(17:44):
and they're honest, and sometimes it's tough on them to
explain it. So I understand that too.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
That's who you had. The conversation was both with them.
Speaker 10 (17:56):
What's the lake in the room when you got to
hang on the phone and they tell you, yeah, we
got something wrong, but you know, if there's nothing we
can do about it.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Now, yeah, we move on.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
You know, we move on. We just like our team does.
You know, it's it's it's our job to make it right.
You know that you can't. You just you're not gonna
expect everything to go your way. You're gonna get Uh.
This is a great there's a great Passes and Second
Corinthians that talks about you know, these kind of things,
trials and tribulations and things like that. They they create
an enduring toughness and hope, you know, and that's you
look at it that way, we understand what the good
(18:28):
that can come from these challenges. And I if we
become the type of team that can overcome these types
of things, then you become the type of team that
can that can go far. And I think that's true
for football. It's also true for life or family, for
your kids. When you talk to your kids, all these things,
these are like, these are self and these are these
are enduring, self evident principles that we try to talk
to our guys about. So let's apply them to our
(18:50):
football team right now. And uh yeah, okay, those those
calls were we're we're trials and tribulations put it that way,
and you know what, let's overcome them. Let's let's uh,
let's let's let's beat them.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
We've actually got rid zone a lot this year, two
for six again yesterday. I mean, at this point in
the season, does it feel like you're kind of running
out of options and in ways to try to fix.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
That situation, because because we don't run out of hope,
you know, I mean, it's like I'm not I'm not
a hopeless person, So we don't run out of options.
You know, we keep we keep we keep working, and
we keep developing, and we keep coming back and keep fighting.
We don't throw up our hands and say we're out
of options. We don't do that. So the answer that
is a firm no, John.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
We haven't asked you about a while. Has there been
any clarity in no day? Might av gay situation? Do
you know any more about that that you can share?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Uh? No, not that I can share. There's there's a
lot going on there. It's in with NMBI.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
And I.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I'd love to I'd love to share some stuff, but
I can't share it right now.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Okay, agree question.
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