October 21, 2025 • 43 mins
In this confronting episode of Real Crime, Adam Shand sits down with one of Australia’s most reviled offenders — Peter Vaitos, the man once known as The Silver Gun Rap*st. For the first time in more than 40 years, Vaitos speaks publicly, joined by his daughter Stacey, who has chosen to stand by him in the hope of revealing new information about one of Victoria’s most enduring mysteries — the Frankston–Tynong murders.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Welcome to Real Crime with Adam Shand. I'm your host,
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Support independent crime journalism. This episode comes to you after
some soul searching. I don't believe everyone deserves a platform,
and if I afford someone the opportunity to speak, I
have to justify it. Today's guest falls very squarely into
this difficult category. Peter Atos has been described as one
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of the worst sex offenders in Australia's history.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
The man dubbed the Silver Gun Rapist has been sentenced
to twenty eight years in prison.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
The copy locked him up recently described him.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
A merciless offender, an evil piece of trash for Sikh units.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
The Silver Gun Rapist, as Vetos, was known, rigged terror
on Victoria during a fifteen month period in the late
nineteen seventies, when he committed at least sixteen rapes at gunpoint.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Police are hunting a massed gunman targeting women in Melbourne's Southeast.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Authorities say no community can feel safe tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Captured in nineteen seventy nine, Beethos was sentenced to a
maximum of twenty eight years jail, the heaviest sins for
sexual assault since the death penalty was abolished for rape
in nineteen forty eight. He was released in September nineteen
ninety six, seventeen years into his sentence. He's never spoke
into the media, but now facing his mortality, he wants
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to get something off his chest. He has information that
he believes could help solve two of the Frankston Taynong murders,
and it came from the killer. Another notorious sex offender,
Raymond Edmonds, known as mister Stinky.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Edmunds, defetied killer who terrorized Shepperton, serving life without.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Parole for two murders and multiple rapes.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Athos didn't come to me directly. The approach came from
his daughter. When I spoke to Stacy, had to ask
her why she would stand by her notorious father, let
alone do it in public as she proposed. That was
an important reason for doing this interview, to acknowledge her
courage and try to make the authorities act on the
information her father is sharing before he dies. I agreed
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to speak to Peter Atos on that basis, but this
one act of redemption does not, and cannot ever excuse
the depray of acts he committed against his victims. There's
no coming back from that.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Let's just stop by identifying yourself. Could you tell me
what your name is and what your history is?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Peter, Oh, Peter Aidos got charged by the media.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
I'm the silver gun rapist. They charged me with a
variety of.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Different charges concerning rape and assault, and about a dozen
or something or whatever it is, right, it's on me raptured.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I can't remember everything.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
My name is Stacy Fatos. It's not my legal last name,
but it's what I'm using for the purposes of this.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I'm a thirty six year old and this is my dad,
and I met him as an adult at twenty seven,
and we've been in touch over the years since then.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Why did you seek him out? What did you know
of his story before you did that.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
I found out when I was about fourteen or fifteen
that he was my father, and my mum had been
one of the women that testified against him because he
had several girlfriends she was a girlfriend, had no idea
what he was doing, and because of Mum's role in that,
I never had anything to do with my dad growing up,
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and I needed to meet him. I used to look
in the mirror and judge myself, and meeting him at
the end of the day was the best thing I
ever did for myself, because no one is all the
way through evil, I think, and I could see things
that made me feel better about myself, if that makes sense.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Yeah, you see.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I'm also very conscious of you, Stacy.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You're an innocent party in all of this, and you're
very brave to have this conversation in my opinion, okay,
because she is the one that made me come and
I understand, and she's doing this. There's something in your
relationship that needs to be dealt with, obviously, and you've
been going through a process I'd understand, is that right?
And you stuck by your dad and many others wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Ryan and mirror for the first twelve months, and then
I got her in a relationship when she found me
at twenty seven, you found your dad, right, They tried
and good day.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I did that. My mum said, who had testified against
try to do shit. I'm never talking to you again.
So if that hadn't happened, maybe I wouldn't have had
this great relationship with my dad. But because that happened,
I did have a relationship with him, and I got
to learn that he's not all bad and he's a
good dad, and there's more to him than just his
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rap sheet.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Vetos's rap sheet shows he was convicted of ten counts
of rape and many burglaries, but some police believe he
committed many more sexual assaults, citing a boast he made
to one victim that she was number twenty one.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Can I ask one really important question? Are you confident
that his rap sheet covers everything?
Speaker 5 (05:47):
I have asked him the same question.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
My shory hadn't changed.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
He's asking, is your rap sheet.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
For like complete my rap sheet?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Oh you got me rap sheet?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Yeah no, but it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Is everything that you did on that rap sheet, on
the one that that charged me with. No, but everything
you've done nothing since I got out that I have
ever done for them to quer him on.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
He's pointing out to you, if you've got any secrets
in your closet pre nineteen seventy nine, they might come
out from.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
This if I've got something.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
I've asked him and he said he's been concerned about
you and that nothing's.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Going to be I wasn't concerned about you, Stacy, because
you're the innocent party in all of this, and you've
formed a relationship with your dad based on his honesty
with you and transparency, you see. So I know this
is difficult for you, both of you. So I just
want to be clear.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I feel like I have to because I feel that
him having a daughter adds legitimacy to him somehow. And
it's the fact that I ran grimestoppers twice. I rang
them the first time, and I rang them back a
couple of weeks later and said, you haven't even scooped
him up and talked, and what the hell?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Hm?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Did you have a chance to ask him about all
the things that he did? Yes, I was that conversation.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
He's always been honest with me about that, really honest.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
When Vetos was released in nineteen ninety six, his critics
believed it was only a matter of time before he reoffended.
In an article in The Age newspaper titled can Evil
release its script on a Man? Wetos was described as
a calculating coward and evil personified. Give him six months
to a year, he'd be.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Back in jail.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
However, three decades on, Wetos has not reoffended. He presents
himself as a rare successful example of rehabilitation behind bars.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Oh well, I'm sure that because i'd done the sex offender.
Of course, it was six weeks, six weeks, and I said,
I think to the psychologist he's John Bestow.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
I said, team him that I'm not a pedophile.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
He said, only I asked that same question about in
two weeks time of a six weeks cause because they
reckon I was too good to be true, so I'm
right to life. And I made a clear in the
sex depend of course we had to go back. And
he says, well, I'll ask you that question. He says,
to see if I was only pulling their legal or whatever.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
But because what happened is when I got in there
and I got my sentence, I was dirty on that.
And then I realized I was psychoanalyzing myself to find
out why I'm in jail. And I found out I
couldn't blame anyone.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
I was the problem, right.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I kept them coming back to me. Right, So I'd
done the cause. Well, it was true to his word.
He asked me two weeks later, and I had the answer.
He says, what's the difference. I said to him, there's
no difference. The only difference is that we're all rapists.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
But the only thing that's differing is the target range.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Did you have something likes old middle age or we
were very young or in between? You know, I'm in
sort of. That's the anything different. We're all rapists. That
was the right answer for so were telling me. If
I didn't come up with that, I wasn't tuned in.
But I was tuned in two weeks after I've done
the course.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
So you just said that you had to tell them
why you're in jail. You have to understand why you
in jail. Well, why did this whole thing happen?
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Oh? How it happened is I got married.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I always wanted to caught a ac pick at fence,
and I thought, oh, yeah, well I got a nerd
for a wife, right, A nerd. A nerd is just a.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
Normal girl of old fashion, very old fashion. Because her
name was Brown, right.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
And then what happened was her father was committing violence
on her mother, and he was a drunk. He was
always getting drunk, and he wasn't given enough to run
the house. And the mother was working. That's how I
met a. She was working at the same if I
Rest Springs where I started working, right, I was working there.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
That's how I met the daughter.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And then what happened was she tried to groom me
into to be the perfect man.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Ve Tasa's first wife was Shirley.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And then when she was pregnant with Paul and shed
by my son, she had him, she kept on trying,
I was no good and this and that, you know everything,
and she was going to threaten me she's going to
have abortion, and I said to her, over my dead body.
Well she never carried it out, but a thought in
my head was there. But then I got into another relationship.
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She was a school teacher and she got pregnant.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
And then when I.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Told her, well, when I come back, we'll talk about it.
But then she was determined she wanted the career. When
I come back to talk about it, she says, she's
already done it. And I said to her, horses yes,
and then it's all come out into that set vanished. Course,
right when I was talking and I'm right alive, you know,
like that blew my brain, you know what I mean?
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And I said, didn't I have a say? She says
it was her body. I thought I got it in
my head all women were the same. And then I
just went on the rampach. You know what I mean,
don't you?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So you you took it out on other women.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You took out your anger.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
On people that never done or think to me, stupid,
because that's how it works. You never hurt the one
that you love or you're with, or you know, when
you got a tour with someone else, innocent victory.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Most sex offenders pray on their own children, their own grandchildren,
their niece, their nephew, whatever, a stranger on stranger sex attackers,
you're probably aware as much more uncommon. And yeah, that's
like as far as being a dad who's been a
good dud to me or over the years and in
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the seventies there was a lot of women feeling in
power for the first time. That was all the women's
lib stuff. And I think that it's just a very
sad story.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Really, the whole thing is sad. I get sad for you.
I think it's sad for the women that you write
it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Therefore, that's why I was saying before I went and
done to the court, and I was telling me, you're
too good to be true.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I had the right.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Answer because I was saying, there was a psycho analys
and I said, the problem was me, not anyone else.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
I was hurting victims.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
How did it start though?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
What was the what was the world where you decided
this was going to be what you were going to do?
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Well, what happened was this?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
It just happened that I got into a place and
I was robbing, and there was a female in the house,
and she said, I don't hurt me. You can do
anything you like. She put the thought in your head.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
These are conversations I presuning you've had with you.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Yeah, I've heard it, but I don't feel this is
related to ton.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah we're going to get there, but I know you're
doing it.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Understand offending, but that's what it was, right, And I'm
all less, said, well, you know they can participate and
I'll just sit there, I watch, and.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Now I left.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
That's how I knew there was another person running around
with a shotgun.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Right, So you're saying that all the offenses that were linked.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
To you, well go all of them you did.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yes, I would have said you did a lot more
than you were charged with.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
No, no, no, that was burglaries.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Just burglaries.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Yeah, burglary.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
He did a lot more.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Bur and they dropped it down to thirty one thirty two.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I says, no, I'm not was receiving with something else,
and I was receiving. And I've got two years each
one and a year for the other one because I
told him I was going to get it hurt alls singlely.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
So how many rates were you charged with? Peter?
Speaker 6 (13:54):
I got it on that poon, that form. It's all there,
everything in there, I've ea charge.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
They can't charge me with anything else because I'm clean.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
I understand that.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Until now they didn't carry on. I didn't come back
to Rude who sent a card, because I sent a
Christmas card to the.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Mother for we'll get there. I want to finish with
your issues. So that's want of work out.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
They got me for all the one because all mine.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Was you need with a firearm?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
How did the silver gun come into your offending? Because
that's what you were known as.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
I had found it you've hit a house. Yeah, I
was robbing a house, But what sort of gun was it?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Young American ear Little twenty two.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Buy in large. As far as the media has been concerned,
my dad's been flying under the Raidar'm mostly forgotten for
the last thirty years. As you're probably aware now, Adrian
Patterson did a story about him last year that was
not factual, said that he arrested him and he found
him through a nineteen eighty seven car, and I'm like, well,
how can he do that? When he was arrested in
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seventy nine, I was in job.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
This was the detective.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yeah, yeah, the podcast, So.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Why would he risked that being under the radar? Right,
no one really has ever known who my father is.
I'm coming out for this because I think it's too important.
Why we've got stuff to lose? Why would we do
this if we didn't believe it.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I'm interested in your motives, Frankly.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Yeah, I mean I'm a mom and a woman.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yes, your dad's done what he's done, and he's paid
his debt to society. I mean, I think there are
people who suspect you did.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
More though no, no, they're all firearms more.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I know who did more and it wasn't my dad.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
No, that's fine. They never dropped anything that they tried
to believe.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
You didn't stop at one or two. You did know
that you do well.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Watch on the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I think there was no charge with ten. You were
charged with ten.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
I believe all actually were all on there. They charged me.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
People believe he did sixteen.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
No know who charged him sixteen, okay, but people believe
that you did success.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
There's a lot of misinformation. I've read things that have
said seventeen sixteen. I've read constantly that he has a
middle name John, and it's just not true. But for
some reason, everyone always causing Peter John. He doesn't have
a middle name.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
So many factual things. But this is something that you've
already dealt with between each other. Okay, tell me, how
did you broach this conversation? Surely you'd want to know.
You want to trust your dad. You're establishing a relationship
with him at age twenty seven. Did you say to him, Dad,
you've got to be honest with me.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
I have that happened?
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yeah? Well, I didn't know anything about him except for
what i'd heard from others or read in the media,
and I decided that, yeah, I needed to know him myself.
I couldn't remember him. And when I did actually meet him,
I realized that the first trauma in my life was
my dad getting taken away when I was an infant.
And I don't think anybody explained it to me, and
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it was I had a stepdad that I believed was
my real dad for some time that passed away. And yeah,
I didn't expect really to have a lasting relationship with
my dad when I met him.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
What was the purpose of it? Do you you saw it?
How did you find him? By the way?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I you utilized an investigator?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And how long did it take?
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Not long at all?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
So how did that come about for you? Peter? You
were contacted by the investigator?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
No, I rocked up at his house when I rocked
up at your house the first time, and I said
to you, Peter, yeah, he thought I was a police officer.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I know who she is. She call me right, And
I said yeah, She said, what did you want me
to call you? I said, God, I'm your fucking dad, right,
I acknowledge is straight away.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
How many children do you have?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Me?
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Throw it there?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And how many of them speak to you?
Speaker 6 (18:00):
The other two. You are to shamed.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
So how important was it to you when Stacy knocked.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
On your door?
Speaker 6 (18:07):
She's the love on your life, and of.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Course we're honest with people that we love. And have
you been honest with her?
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Yeah? The all the time.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Do you think he's been honest with you?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
I cannot think why he wouldn't be. I don't know
why he would fuck with me when I'm his only family.
I'm the only child that talks to him. I don't
think he's spending the end of his life messing with
me for shits and giggles. I think it's real, and
I have concerns and until someone can come up to
me and say, Stacy, I need to explain to me.
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And I think there's something there. I think that it's
worth others hearing. I think that there's something in it,
and that's bigger than him.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
You live the double life. You live the life of deception.
You see everybody.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
You're having false names, you're having girlfriends on the side,
you're having all these Tell me, how do you reflect
on your level of honesty with the people that were important.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
To you before.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
A good bad boy?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I say I had girl friends, not girl friend saying
when I broke off.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I just wanted to get back to this issue of trust, okay,
because Stacy's taken a substantial risk in her life to
trust you.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah, you can't deceive her.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I'm not deceiving her, or you can't know I'm muilty
as shell. Well what do I've done?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
What do you say to the women that you raped?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
The victims?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Well, I'm can I explain it?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I'm so shi like you know that I've devastated them
because I wasn't in me right mind at a time,
because I blamed. I got it in my head that
they were all the same, whether or not or women.
I've never met a woman that had the same personality
or anything.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
They're all.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
They've got perfection, they've got their own individuality.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
All women.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
They're not what you called but I put them on
They're all the same. I couldn't put it, really do
words what the drama I've put the victims in? But
I know it was my fault. You know, I just
kept on coming. That's why I've done the course to
better myself. And I don't know anger management or don't
pursuit of excellence because you.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Were very angry because the thing about those attacks was
you were angry and terrifying and you threatened to kill them.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
No, No, I never threatened them. That's something I might
appointed that he's done, and I told them, you're going
to do what I want.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
You to do.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
So how do you feel about your state of mind
back then when you were doing these things?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
How do you feel about it now?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Well, I was terrible for me, like for me to
do all these things, you know, I mean, like I
take before his onsibility of all I heard and pain
or I've done. And it's just not it's not just
a victim. It's got to do with the whether it's
a partner and all their family.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Collateral damage, all the collateral damage.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
And you know I'm part of that.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Yere aren't their children?
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Everyone?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
My mother was part of that. She was a twenty
two year old woman that you know, had no idea
and there's been a lot of collateral damage.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
And you had to cease relations with your mother in
order to have any relationship with your father.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Well, look, when I had children, I was back in
touch with my mom, but I just feel like it
never went back the same. After that time, I initially
contacted my dad. She's scared of him, like she's she testified.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
This is really another question you asked.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I was brought up to be scared of him, and
I guess that was part of why I had to
meet him.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Why are you not scared now?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Ah, I don't know, because I'm softness butter, and I warned,
what if she means a person? It's the tour motive.
And I've been proven right with the things I've said
to her about what could happen to her?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Tell me was it became like a big deal in
the papers these things were going on. How did you
feel when you read about what you've done?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Well, there's nothing I can do about it. I just
had at the time.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
They did give you pleasure.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
No, no, no, no, it didn't because I knew I
screwed up because I already done the course.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
And I was saying, while you.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Were doing this, in that period of time where you
committed ten rapes, this was making the papers, the people
you were terrorizing Melbourne.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
At that time, everyone in Melbourne was scared. I don't
remember it, but from people who do, the whole city
was on edge.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
And how did you feel when you read about the
way these events were.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Well, I got bad.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I felt real bad, you know, I felt bad because
so I knew it wasn't their fault.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
So why didn't you stop when you felt bad at
the time, when you were doing these things?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Until I didn't shop after the first one. Then it
was just a continuation, you know, like I think. And
then I'd say to himself, I shouldn't be doing this,
you know what I mean, right, why.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Did you say you shouldn't be doing this?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Well, well, I knew that I shouldn't be hurting people
because they haven't done anything to me.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
That's the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I can't explain anything else, right, that's because I knew
I was at fault, and there's nothing I could change it.
There's no words I can express to take the hurt
feel and I give him the victim and her family
other than saying listen, I'm truly truly sorry.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
And by this shattered me when who was talking about
all this bloody start?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Right?
Speaker 6 (24:07):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
And I can't change all that just happened, You know
what I mean?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Then you can't.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
You can't know, so I had to just cop that.
But I've been the whipping boy and she's been the
whipping girl. Coppying Schlak right, because you know when people
take it out on her, because she's my the order.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
In nineteen eighty six, Vetos was in Pantridge Prison and
began to associate with an even more henous offender, Raymond Edmunds. Edmunds,
known as mister Stinky for his vile body odor, was
serving life without parole for two murders and multiple sexual
assaults against women. Weetos claims that Edmunds made admissions to
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him about the Frankston Tinyl murders. Between May nineteen eighty
and October nineteen eighty one, six girls and women were murdered,
their bodies dumped in bushland in the Tonelong North and
Frankston areas southeast of Melbourne. Among the victims were fourteen
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year old Katherine Headland and seventy three year old Bertha Miller.
According to Vatos, Edmonds had told him information about these
murders that only the killer could have known. He was
determined to act on this.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
You're in jail and then on May first, nineteen eighty nine,
a letter is sent to the then Victoria Police Deche
Commissioner at Kelblaire talking about Catherine Headland.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Did you write that.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Yes, type, I'll borroing a typewriter, that's right.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
But why did you write that letter?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Because before that I sent a Christmas card to Headland's mother.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Why would you do that?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Because I realize the conversation I was having with this bloke,
a man I just look at dislike to him, you
know what I mean? Like?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Who is that man?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
By?
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Itman? All right, mister stinky heesh.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
The Christmas card, sent in December nineteen eighty eight contained
a handwritten note from Vetos which read, I hope in
writing to you, I do not cause you or your
family any stress. I can comprehend the pain, the agony
you've endured to lose a loved one, Catherine. Not knowing
when or if the perpetrator singular or plural, will ever
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be caught, well, the new year may be a good
one for you. Things may unfold, including the name of
the perpetrator whose deeds make Trua look like kids.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I'll keep in touch sometime in the new year, signed
anonymous friend. Vetos sent the card after talking with Edmunds.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Tell me where were you when you began.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Speaking to Edmunds when he first came into h division.
I was a billet and they'd be putting him in
a separate yard. Shame as when I come in. So
you're the billet in h Division and that's where I
talked to him, and no one's talking to him. And
I said, you wanted something to rude And I said,
I've got something over you want something?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Five months after send him the Christmas card, Bethos wrote
to then police Commissioner Kel Blair with information about Headland
and Bertha Miller, whose bodies were found close together in
a quarry at Taynong North in November nineteen eighty.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
Is the TIONG file gathering dust? Have you run into
a dead end? Do you need help? With a multitude
of questions but very few answers. Did you know you
were dealing with a mass murder and a scale never
seen in this country? Only the top American serial killers
surpassed this cold blooded killer.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Did you know Edwin A.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Boyle was another victim and others across three states? Did
you find the approach that Bertha was wearing on the
day of a murder? All the pair of silver Sterling
bluebird earrings belonging to Catherine.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Vetos wrote the letter after talking to Edmonds on the
question of taking souvenirs from sexual assault victims. Now seventy
seven years of age, Vetos is a bit vague on
the details after all these years, so Stacy prompts him.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
The police talk to you about souvenirs, and they said,
you had a fucking souvenir from a rape that was
a bluebird? No, no necklace?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Did you take souvenirs?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Why not that?
Speaker 6 (28:48):
I wasn't what do you call it?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
That I was in there treating him like shitgirls, rapingham,
you know what I mean, not taking him shut.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
If he took anything, I believe it was as a thief,
not as a memento. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, and that's what that's sub did come up in
one of my trials, a victim that I've been a
convicted of said that the bluebird ear rings was hers necklace.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Necklace.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
So how I got him to tell him about the
bluebird earring it was? I was telling him about the
necklace in my case that the girls said that was
hers and it wasn't right. And I says, if they
find the ear rings jewelry and he says no, he says,
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he says they have to get a head first.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Hang on, did he first tell you anything about anyone
having bluebird earrings like the necklace that your victim had.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, well it was in the headline. So yeah,
you're talking.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Let's take a step back. Yeah, so forget this right.
You were accused of taking a necklace, which you did
not do.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Yeah, the family guilt, they found it guilty.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Of him anyway. But then you're talking to Raymond Edmunds.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yes, and I told him the story about that, said,
if you've ever taken any jewelry from those things, ray
I said to him, I wasn't calling him thinking that
you're gone if.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
They find him. And then that's when he said, they
have to get her head first, they have to get out.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
He said, my dad's told me. He said that the
girl still has the ear rings.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Yes, but they got something.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
There was a brooch that the broach was that Miller had,
so Edmunds, what she mentioned was what he called it
had a broach and the other one had ear rings,
but the young one had ear rings.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
And he said, he said this to you.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, he said that two of his victims had one
had a brooch and the other one had bluebird earrings and.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
He'd taken those.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
You're gone if they found him. I'm telling him he
was gone, and he says, I have to get her
head first.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Police took the information in the letter very seriously, believing
it could have come from the killer himself, because it
contained information only the killer would know. However, by this
time police did have Catherine's bluebird earrings, but not Miller's brooch.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
We've only just put that together. And I read something
about head shad well, that makes that makes sense in
the context of you saying the girl still has earrings,
because if the head was missing, they're still with the girl.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Unfortunately, that's just to get him talking about it, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
And did he did he say Catherine Headland?
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Good?
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Did he say the name Katherine Headland?
Speaker 6 (31:53):
You just said the fourteen year old?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
He said the fourteen Raymond Edward said to you the
fourteen year old. They'll find the earrings if they find
her head.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Effectively, Yeah, that's with hindsight, that's with hig the miller you.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Were saying that he admitted, but he didn't take none
of that.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
He didn't he didn't take the jewelry. You know, my
don't jump. He just said they'd had to get a
head first. Yeah, but he mentioned they had jewelry, trying
to rattle them off. But he says about the miller.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Nobody in the public knew about the jewelry at the time,
So when his letter got into the media, it caused
this big thing. Well, who wrote this letter? Because they
know that the victim had bluebird ear rings? And they
know that another victim had approach And I know who
didn't commit those murders because he was arrested in nineteen
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seventy nine, and that's this guy here, So how did
he know? And until someone tells me how he knew?
That's why I will never shut up.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Have you told anybody else this before about the bluebird earrings?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Were you questioned at the time? Did they did know
with the letter?
Speaker 1 (33:06):
What happened then was when they come down and raided Pentridge,
they've gone to located the typewriter. But shortly after that
I sent the letter, I got into a fight with
the Kettleton and they shotted me right and I was
down h Division right. That's when they come down and
saw me. But they didn't give me an interview like
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you normally would give they said, did I send the
letter to the commissioner? And I said, yes, it's obvious.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
To go back to a question you asked, why would
you do that? Well, because he thought he had the
information that was going to solve the crime. He was
telling the headlines I think next year is going to
be a good year for you because he thought that
he had all the answers.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
So this is in the Christmas car that you wrote
to family.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
And maybe he thought that because he had certain information,
it might help him in some way.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
And yes, OK, so.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
You're very clear. Let's just that's up a little bit.
You're very clear that ray Edmunds, mister Sinky told you
that effectively he killed Bertha Miller and Catherine Headler.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, because he told me he was in a conversation
that I've had with him a couple of years or
whatever it is. He's rund the tipping he was. He
trusted me because I was doing a twenty eight with
a what he called and then I've got an extra
six months for cutnoe Blake's right, and that's given me
seventeen years twenty five and a half. Right, Yeah, Oh,
I know he made it clear because he was telling
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me that he did it. That's when he he had
of things that he was very He used to get
the paper in here, he used to get the missing people.
That's how the tynand come.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Edmunds has never been a strong suspect in the Frankston
tyne On cases because he was living in New South
Wales at the time. It's possible that Edmunds did return
to Victoria for the killings. However, police do not believe
he had the charm and interpersonal skills needed to lure
the women into a vehicle, as it appears occurred in
many of these cases. Vetos says Edmonds also gave him
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information about a woman named Edwina Boyle who disappeared in
October nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
He was looking at it another time. Was you know
the pictures?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
I have a mission girls. He says, I know that
girl and that was a Duena Boil.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
So Ray Edmonds also new with Wuena Boyle.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Now Dad claims that he wrote the letter and there's
a name that's redacted on that letter. As you can see.
He says that name is a Duena Boyle. However, this
is where we lose people with this story, because Fred
Boyle went to prison for a Duena Boyle's murder.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
But how did Dad know he billed his wife and
put her in a barrel? Yeah, planned and then toted
this barrel around.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
From Well, the reason why I put that in, the
reason why I put that in He told me about
DNA Boil.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
So Edmonds told you that because she was he had
the thing.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
I believe he told him that she wouldn't be coming back.
I killed her bit that one way of coming back,
and Greena Boil was actually later found to have been deceased,
and Dad knew about it twenty years before she was found.
How it wasn't him? How if it wasn't Stinky as
someone that Stinky knew. That's all I can think of,
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and I can't let go of it.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
I'm a mom.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
There was a fourteen year old child, I'm a woman.
He's done his time.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Haven't you told police that you call crime stoppers twice?
Has anybody contacted you?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
No?
Speaker 5 (36:46):
And the second time I rang them back was to
say you haven't even scooped up Peter to ask him
about me, saying he's claiming this.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Of course, there's a reward.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yes on the Frankston some people might say, you've only
saying this to get a reward.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
No, what we've forgotten, what we've left out of this story.
My father claims that before he got slotted, he went
to another prisoner and said, I know this about Stinky.
Let's go and let's tell them and we'll see if
it helps us out and you with our sentences. This
is another man by the name of Kerry Andrews, and
Dad got slotted because of Kettleton. And Andrews went forward
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and pretended that he was the one that had been
told these things, and he stole Dad's story.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, when the cops come down, I can remember they
I told him that it was mister Stinky.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Okay, So you don't think the police believed you about
what you said about Eddence?
Speaker 6 (37:44):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
So.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Would you give evidence to the police again if they
were interested in talking to you once more?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Yeah? But shoot, what it is is theys A simple question,
yes or no? Would you give evidence?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Well, I'm a bit what he call with them, because
they already made up. They've flame and mine.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Well, these are different police that you're talking about a
long time ago.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
Well, well, I suppose I would your daughter's.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Nodding her head. Here, I reckon, she wants you to
do it correct.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
It needs to be done. Hence why we're having this conversation.
Someone needs to tell us how my dad knew about
those earrings. It had to have been the person who
told him, or someone else told that person. How else,
how else? This is a forty year old girl. They
run on through that all of the victims were just
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as important, all of them, no matter of age. But
this was a child. That's, as a mother, horrifying, and
I can only think about. You know, they say someone
out there must know something about crimes, right, and they
want people to come forward. Well, here we are. We
think we know something.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Because Peter, you're not a well man.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
No what I'm pried got.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Cancer, you've got melanomapartments, we've got a model, I'm there.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
So you're not a well man. So time is running
out for you to tell this.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
That's what I'm frightened of.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And what I said to my daughter, I was going
to tell her why I tell us at least someone
knew what I know, and that had a profound effect
on her and she couldn't keep the secret no more.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
And she told me about it.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Now I'm indebted to follow suits me to say, yes, well,
I did tell her all of these things.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Right Another A critic might say that you're just saying
this to please your daughter, who's risked a lot for you.
I'm sticking by you. But are you doing it because
it's true? Because you're pleasing your daughter?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
It is true.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
I am worried now.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
That I might die, and that's what I told her
these things. I might die or he dies. We're not
he's eighty and I'm not too well. If I die
or he dies, that's the end of story. That what
I'm saying, That's what I'm worried about.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
And I do she around.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
You may at fourteen fifteen, at the time when Shaw
will have happened, and she's got a couple of daughters herself,
and I've got another daughter too. What I'm saying is
I'm frightened and I might die, and then that's the
end of it. Like their cases died. Now, shame that
whatever they shame.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
You know, no way to explain how he knew about it.
So people can criticize her what they want, but can
someone please tell me how he knows about the earrings.
If there's some other explanation, whether that's vig pole, because
I'm not going to shut up until i know how
he knew about those earrings.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Well, that's sure, that's someone hears about this. Yes, you're
very courageous.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
I know I'm proud of it.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
You've saved him and you saved him again.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
There's things that people, there's things that need to come
to light.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
And she made me realize, wake me up and same
because you did.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
So let's fay you did some terrible things, go terrible things.
This is an opportunity to do something good.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
That's why I'm doing it because simple reason is that's
why I told her all those things. Because I'm worried
to that I might die with all these complications. That's
regardless of what they think, right that it's never going
to get solved after this. This is what I'm saying
to me in order what i'd have to do with
you when you come or if I've got to come
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out with something, I'd have to tell you.
Speaker 6 (41:37):
She was only fowardeen.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
She never fell in love, she never got married, she
never had kids, she never had grand kids.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Let's hope that I'm going to take this back to
the homicide squad and tell them in the conversation. We've
had the people there and we'll see what happens. But
I appreciate you coming forward, and I appreciate your.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
The only reason I'm coming forward is because I'm worried
i might die. And that's the end of it. I
don't care as a way, Well, it's not going to
be sholved. It's not going to be incholved.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
And to answer the question from before, you know, yeah,
there is a massive reward on it. There's a million
dollars per victim. No, we haven't done this to get
a reward. But is it something that you're aware of
in the background. Of course you are. It's a lot,
and that's why they put it out there to try
to get people to go forward. But how many of
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these rewards actually get paid out in the end.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
Very few, See, That's what I didn't forget to say.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
From the time I sent the letter out and the
cops come and whatever the things I said, I never
asked for any reward.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
I was given them for free.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
That was the silver gun rapist Peter Vetos and his
daughter Stacy. There is a one million dollar reward for
information leading to an arrest in each of the six
Frankston Times. If mister Stinking did turn out to be
the killer of Katherine Hedlund and Bertha Miller, Peter Atos
could stand to collect. What an moment that would be.
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If you have information about these cases or any others,
please send me an email at Adam Shand writer at
gmail dot com, or you can call crime Stoppers on
one eight hundred, triple three, triple zero. This has been
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Support independent crime journalism. This episode comes to you after
some soul searching. I don't believe everyone deserves a platform,
and if I afford someone the opportunity to speak, I
have to justify it. Today's guest falls very squarely into
this difficult category. Peter Atos has been described as one
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of the worst sex offenders in Australia's history.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
The man dubbed the Silver Gun Rapist has been sentenced
to twenty eight years in prison.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
The copy locked him up recently described him.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
A merciless offender, an evil piece of trash for Sikh units.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
The Silver Gun Rapist, as Vetos, was known, rigged terror
on Victoria during a fifteen month period in the late
nineteen seventies, when he committed at least sixteen rapes at gunpoint.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Police are hunting a massed gunman targeting women in Melbourne's Southeast.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Authorities say no community can feel safe tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Captured in nineteen seventy nine, Beethos was sentenced to a
maximum of twenty eight years jail, the heaviest sins for
sexual assault since the death penalty was abolished for rape
in nineteen forty eight. He was released in September nineteen
ninety six, seventeen years into his sentence. He's never spoke
into the media, but now facing his mortality, he wants
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to get something off his chest. He has information that
he believes could help solve two of the Frankston Taynong murders,
and it came from the killer. Another notorious sex offender,
Raymond Edmonds, known as mister Stinky.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Edmunds, defetied killer who terrorized Shepperton, serving life without.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Parole for two murders and multiple rapes.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Athos didn't come to me directly. The approach came from
his daughter. When I spoke to Stacy, had to ask
her why she would stand by her notorious father, let
alone do it in public as she proposed. That was
an important reason for doing this interview, to acknowledge her
courage and try to make the authorities act on the
information her father is sharing before he dies. I agreed
(02:43):
to speak to Peter Atos on that basis, but this
one act of redemption does not, and cannot ever excuse
the depray of acts he committed against his victims. There's
no coming back from that.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Let's just stop by identifying yourself. Could you tell me
what your name is and what your history is?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Peter, Oh, Peter Aidos got charged by the media.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
I'm the silver gun rapist. They charged me with a
variety of.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Different charges concerning rape and assault, and about a dozen
or something or whatever it is, right, it's on me raptured.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I can't remember everything.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
My name is Stacy Fatos. It's not my legal last name,
but it's what I'm using for the purposes of this.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I'm a thirty six year old and this is my dad,
and I met him as an adult at twenty seven,
and we've been in touch over the years since then.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Why did you seek him out? What did you know
of his story before you did that.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
I found out when I was about fourteen or fifteen
that he was my father, and my mum had been
one of the women that testified against him because he
had several girlfriends she was a girlfriend, had no idea
what he was doing, and because of Mum's role in that,
I never had anything to do with my dad growing up,
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and I needed to meet him. I used to look
in the mirror and judge myself, and meeting him at
the end of the day was the best thing I
ever did for myself, because no one is all the
way through evil, I think, and I could see things
that made me feel better about myself, if that makes sense.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Yeah, you see.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I'm also very conscious of you, Stacy.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You're an innocent party in all of this, and you're
very brave to have this conversation in my opinion, okay,
because she is the one that made me come and
I understand, and she's doing this. There's something in your
relationship that needs to be dealt with, obviously, and you've
been going through a process I'd understand, is that right?
And you stuck by your dad and many others wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Ryan and mirror for the first twelve months, and then
I got her in a relationship when she found me
at twenty seven, you found your dad, right, They tried
and good day.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I did that. My mum said, who had testified against
try to do shit. I'm never talking to you again.
So if that hadn't happened, maybe I wouldn't have had
this great relationship with my dad. But because that happened,
I did have a relationship with him, and I got
to learn that he's not all bad and he's a
good dad, and there's more to him than just his
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rap sheet.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Vetos's rap sheet shows he was convicted of ten counts
of rape and many burglaries, but some police believe he
committed many more sexual assaults, citing a boast he made
to one victim that she was number twenty one.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Can I ask one really important question? Are you confident
that his rap sheet covers everything?
Speaker 5 (05:47):
I have asked him the same question.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
My shory hadn't changed.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
He's asking, is your rap sheet.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
For like complete my rap sheet?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Oh you got me rap sheet?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Yeah no, but it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Is everything that you did on that rap sheet, on
the one that that charged me with. No, but everything
you've done nothing since I got out that I have
ever done for them to quer him on.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
He's pointing out to you, if you've got any secrets
in your closet pre nineteen seventy nine, they might come
out from.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
This if I've got something.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
I've asked him and he said he's been concerned about
you and that nothing's.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Going to be I wasn't concerned about you, Stacy, because
you're the innocent party in all of this, and you've
formed a relationship with your dad based on his honesty
with you and transparency, you see. So I know this
is difficult for you, both of you. So I just
want to be clear.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I feel like I have to because I feel that
him having a daughter adds legitimacy to him somehow. And
it's the fact that I ran grimestoppers twice. I rang
them the first time, and I rang them back a
couple of weeks later and said, you haven't even scooped
him up and talked, and what the hell?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Hm?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Did you have a chance to ask him about all
the things that he did? Yes, I was that conversation.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
He's always been honest with me about that, really honest.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
When Vetos was released in nineteen ninety six, his critics
believed it was only a matter of time before he reoffended.
In an article in The Age newspaper titled can Evil
release its script on a Man? Wetos was described as
a calculating coward and evil personified. Give him six months
to a year, he'd be.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Back in jail.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
However, three decades on, Wetos has not reoffended. He presents
himself as a rare successful example of rehabilitation behind bars.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Oh well, I'm sure that because i'd done the sex offender.
Of course, it was six weeks, six weeks, and I said,
I think to the psychologist he's John Bestow.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
I said, team him that I'm not a pedophile.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
He said, only I asked that same question about in
two weeks time of a six weeks cause because they
reckon I was too good to be true, so I'm
right to life. And I made a clear in the
sex depend of course we had to go back. And
he says, well, I'll ask you that question. He says,
to see if I was only pulling their legal or whatever.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
But because what happened is when I got in there
and I got my sentence, I was dirty on that.
And then I realized I was psychoanalyzing myself to find
out why I'm in jail. And I found out I
couldn't blame anyone.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
I was the problem, right.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I kept them coming back to me. Right, So I'd
done the cause. Well, it was true to his word.
He asked me two weeks later, and I had the answer.
He says, what's the difference. I said to him, there's
no difference. The only difference is that we're all rapists.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
But the only thing that's differing is the target range.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Did you have something likes old middle age or we
were very young or in between? You know, I'm in
sort of. That's the anything different. We're all rapists. That
was the right answer for so were telling me. If
I didn't come up with that, I wasn't tuned in.
But I was tuned in two weeks after I've done
the course.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
So you just said that you had to tell them
why you're in jail. You have to understand why you
in jail. Well, why did this whole thing happen?
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Oh? How it happened is I got married.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I always wanted to caught a ac pick at fence,
and I thought, oh, yeah, well I got a nerd
for a wife, right, A nerd. A nerd is just a.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
Normal girl of old fashion, very old fashion. Because her
name was Brown, right.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
And then what happened was her father was committing violence
on her mother, and he was a drunk. He was
always getting drunk, and he wasn't given enough to run
the house. And the mother was working. That's how I
met a. She was working at the same if I
Rest Springs where I started working, right, I was working there.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
That's how I met the daughter.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And then what happened was she tried to groom me
into to be the perfect man.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Ve Tasa's first wife was Shirley.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And then when she was pregnant with Paul and shed
by my son, she had him, she kept on trying,
I was no good and this and that, you know everything,
and she was going to threaten me she's going to
have abortion, and I said to her, over my dead body.
Well she never carried it out, but a thought in
my head was there. But then I got into another relationship.
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She was a school teacher and she got pregnant.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
And then when I.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Told her, well, when I come back, we'll talk about it.
But then she was determined she wanted the career. When
I come back to talk about it, she says, she's
already done it. And I said to her, horses yes,
and then it's all come out into that set vanished. Course,
right when I was talking and I'm right alive, you know,
like that blew my brain, you know what I mean?
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And I said, didn't I have a say? She says
it was her body. I thought I got it in
my head all women were the same. And then I
just went on the rampach. You know what I mean,
don't you?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So you you took it out on other women.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You took out your anger.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
On people that never done or think to me, stupid,
because that's how it works. You never hurt the one
that you love or you're with, or you know, when
you got a tour with someone else, innocent victory.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Most sex offenders pray on their own children, their own grandchildren,
their niece, their nephew, whatever, a stranger on stranger sex attackers,
you're probably aware as much more uncommon. And yeah, that's
like as far as being a dad who's been a
good dud to me or over the years and in
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the seventies there was a lot of women feeling in
power for the first time. That was all the women's
lib stuff. And I think that it's just a very
sad story.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Really, the whole thing is sad. I get sad for you.
I think it's sad for the women that you write
it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Therefore, that's why I was saying before I went and
done to the court, and I was telling me, you're
too good to be true.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I had the right.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Answer because I was saying, there was a psycho analys
and I said, the problem was me, not anyone else.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
I was hurting victims.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
How did it start though?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
What was the what was the world where you decided
this was going to be what you were going to do?
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Well, what happened was this?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
It just happened that I got into a place and
I was robbing, and there was a female in the house,
and she said, I don't hurt me. You can do
anything you like. She put the thought in your head.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
These are conversations I presuning you've had with you.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Yeah, I've heard it, but I don't feel this is
related to ton.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah we're going to get there, but I know you're
doing it.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Understand offending, but that's what it was, right, And I'm
all less, said, well, you know they can participate and
I'll just sit there, I watch, and.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Now I left.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
That's how I knew there was another person running around
with a shotgun.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Right, So you're saying that all the offenses that were linked.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
To you, well go all of them you did.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yes, I would have said you did a lot more
than you were charged with.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
No, no, no, that was burglaries.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Just burglaries.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Yeah, burglary.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
He did a lot more.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Bur and they dropped it down to thirty one thirty two.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I says, no, I'm not was receiving with something else,
and I was receiving. And I've got two years each
one and a year for the other one because I
told him I was going to get it hurt alls singlely.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
So how many rates were you charged with? Peter?
Speaker 6 (13:54):
I got it on that poon, that form. It's all there,
everything in there, I've ea charge.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
They can't charge me with anything else because I'm clean.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
I understand that.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Until now they didn't carry on. I didn't come back
to Rude who sent a card, because I sent a
Christmas card to the.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Mother for we'll get there. I want to finish with
your issues. So that's want of work out.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
They got me for all the one because all mine.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Was you need with a firearm?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
How did the silver gun come into your offending? Because
that's what you were known as.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
I had found it you've hit a house. Yeah, I
was robbing a house, But what sort of gun was it?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Young American ear Little twenty two.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Buy in large. As far as the media has been concerned,
my dad's been flying under the Raidar'm mostly forgotten for
the last thirty years. As you're probably aware now, Adrian
Patterson did a story about him last year that was
not factual, said that he arrested him and he found
him through a nineteen eighty seven car, and I'm like, well,
how can he do that? When he was arrested in
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seventy nine, I was in job.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
This was the detective.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yeah, yeah, the podcast, So.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Why would he risked that being under the radar? Right,
no one really has ever known who my father is.
I'm coming out for this because I think it's too important.
Why we've got stuff to lose? Why would we do
this if we didn't believe it.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I'm interested in your motives, Frankly.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Yeah, I mean I'm a mom and a woman.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yes, your dad's done what he's done, and he's paid
his debt to society. I mean, I think there are
people who suspect you did.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
More though no, no, they're all firearms more.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I know who did more and it wasn't my dad.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
No, that's fine. They never dropped anything that they tried
to believe.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
You didn't stop at one or two. You did know
that you do well.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Watch on the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I think there was no charge with ten. You were
charged with ten.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
I believe all actually were all on there. They charged me.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
People believe he did sixteen.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
No know who charged him sixteen, okay, but people believe
that you did success.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
There's a lot of misinformation. I've read things that have
said seventeen sixteen. I've read constantly that he has a
middle name John, and it's just not true. But for
some reason, everyone always causing Peter John. He doesn't have
a middle name.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
So many factual things. But this is something that you've
already dealt with between each other. Okay, tell me, how
did you broach this conversation? Surely you'd want to know.
You want to trust your dad. You're establishing a relationship
with him at age twenty seven. Did you say to him, Dad,
you've got to be honest with me.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
I have that happened?
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yeah? Well, I didn't know anything about him except for
what i'd heard from others or read in the media,
and I decided that, yeah, I needed to know him myself.
I couldn't remember him. And when I did actually meet him,
I realized that the first trauma in my life was
my dad getting taken away when I was an infant.
And I don't think anybody explained it to me, and
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it was I had a stepdad that I believed was
my real dad for some time that passed away. And yeah,
I didn't expect really to have a lasting relationship with
my dad when I met him.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
What was the purpose of it? Do you you saw it?
How did you find him? By the way?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I you utilized an investigator?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And how long did it take?
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Not long at all?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
So how did that come about for you? Peter? You
were contacted by the investigator?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
No, I rocked up at his house when I rocked
up at your house the first time, and I said
to you, Peter, yeah, he thought I was a police officer.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I know who she is. She call me right, And
I said yeah, She said, what did you want me
to call you? I said, God, I'm your fucking dad, right,
I acknowledge is straight away.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
How many children do you have?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Me?
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Throw it there?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And how many of them speak to you?
Speaker 6 (18:00):
The other two. You are to shamed.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
So how important was it to you when Stacy knocked.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
On your door?
Speaker 6 (18:07):
She's the love on your life, and of.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Course we're honest with people that we love. And have
you been honest with her?
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Yeah? The all the time.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Do you think he's been honest with you?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
I cannot think why he wouldn't be. I don't know
why he would fuck with me when I'm his only family.
I'm the only child that talks to him. I don't
think he's spending the end of his life messing with
me for shits and giggles. I think it's real, and
I have concerns and until someone can come up to
me and say, Stacy, I need to explain to me.
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And I think there's something there. I think that it's
worth others hearing. I think that there's something in it,
and that's bigger than him.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
You live the double life. You live the life of deception.
You see everybody.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
You're having false names, you're having girlfriends on the side,
you're having all these Tell me, how do you reflect
on your level of honesty with the people that were important.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
To you before.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
A good bad boy?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I say I had girl friends, not girl friend saying
when I broke off.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I just wanted to get back to this issue of trust, okay,
because Stacy's taken a substantial risk in her life to
trust you.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah, you can't deceive her.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I'm not deceiving her, or you can't know I'm muilty
as shell. Well what do I've done?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
What do you say to the women that you raped?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
The victims?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Well, I'm can I explain it?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I'm so shi like you know that I've devastated them
because I wasn't in me right mind at a time,
because I blamed. I got it in my head that
they were all the same, whether or not or women.
I've never met a woman that had the same personality
or anything.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
They're all.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
They've got perfection, they've got their own individuality.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
All women.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
They're not what you called but I put them on
They're all the same. I couldn't put it, really do
words what the drama I've put the victims in? But
I know it was my fault. You know, I just
kept on coming. That's why I've done the course to
better myself. And I don't know anger management or don't
pursuit of excellence because you.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Were very angry because the thing about those attacks was
you were angry and terrifying and you threatened to kill them.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
No, No, I never threatened them. That's something I might
appointed that he's done, and I told them, you're going
to do what I want.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
You to do.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
So how do you feel about your state of mind
back then when you were doing these things?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
How do you feel about it now?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Well, I was terrible for me, like for me to
do all these things, you know, I mean, like I
take before his onsibility of all I heard and pain
or I've done. And it's just not it's not just
a victim. It's got to do with the whether it's
a partner and all their family.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Collateral damage, all the collateral damage.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
And you know I'm part of that.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Yere aren't their children?
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Everyone?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
My mother was part of that. She was a twenty
two year old woman that you know, had no idea
and there's been a lot of collateral damage.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
And you had to cease relations with your mother in
order to have any relationship with your father.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Well, look, when I had children, I was back in
touch with my mom, but I just feel like it
never went back the same. After that time, I initially
contacted my dad. She's scared of him, like she's she testified.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
This is really another question you asked.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I was brought up to be scared of him, and
I guess that was part of why I had to
meet him.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Why are you not scared now?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Ah, I don't know, because I'm softness butter, and I warned,
what if she means a person? It's the tour motive.
And I've been proven right with the things I've said
to her about what could happen to her?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Tell me was it became like a big deal in
the papers these things were going on. How did you
feel when you read about what you've done?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Well, there's nothing I can do about it. I just
had at the time.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
They did give you pleasure.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
No, no, no, no, it didn't because I knew I
screwed up because I already done the course.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
And I was saying, while you.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Were doing this, in that period of time where you
committed ten rapes, this was making the papers, the people
you were terrorizing Melbourne.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
At that time, everyone in Melbourne was scared. I don't
remember it, but from people who do, the whole city
was on edge.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
And how did you feel when you read about the
way these events were.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Well, I got bad.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I felt real bad, you know, I felt bad because
so I knew it wasn't their fault.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
So why didn't you stop when you felt bad at
the time, when you were doing these things?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Until I didn't shop after the first one. Then it
was just a continuation, you know, like I think. And
then I'd say to himself, I shouldn't be doing this,
you know what I mean, right, why.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Did you say you shouldn't be doing this?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Well, well, I knew that I shouldn't be hurting people
because they haven't done anything to me.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
That's the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I can't explain anything else, right, that's because I knew
I was at fault, and there's nothing I could change it.
There's no words I can express to take the hurt
feel and I give him the victim and her family
other than saying listen, I'm truly truly sorry.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
And by this shattered me when who was talking about
all this bloody start?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Right?
Speaker 6 (24:07):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
And I can't change all that just happened, You know
what I mean?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Then you can't.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
You can't know, so I had to just cop that.
But I've been the whipping boy and she's been the
whipping girl. Coppying Schlak right, because you know when people
take it out on her, because she's my the order.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
In nineteen eighty six, Vetos was in Pantridge Prison and
began to associate with an even more henous offender, Raymond Edmunds. Edmunds,
known as mister Stinky for his vile body odor, was
serving life without parole for two murders and multiple sexual
assaults against women. Weetos claims that Edmunds made admissions to
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him about the Frankston Tinyl murders. Between May nineteen eighty
and October nineteen eighty one, six girls and women were murdered,
their bodies dumped in bushland in the Tonelong North and
Frankston areas southeast of Melbourne. Among the victims were fourteen
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year old Katherine Headland and seventy three year old Bertha Miller.
According to Vatos, Edmonds had told him information about these
murders that only the killer could have known. He was
determined to act on this.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
You're in jail and then on May first, nineteen eighty nine,
a letter is sent to the then Victoria Police Deche
Commissioner at Kelblaire talking about Catherine Headland.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Did you write that.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Yes, type, I'll borroing a typewriter, that's right.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
But why did you write that letter?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Because before that I sent a Christmas card to Headland's mother.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Why would you do that?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Because I realize the conversation I was having with this bloke,
a man I just look at dislike to him, you
know what I mean? Like?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Who is that man?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
By?
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Itman? All right, mister stinky heesh.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
The Christmas card, sent in December nineteen eighty eight contained
a handwritten note from Vetos which read, I hope in
writing to you, I do not cause you or your
family any stress. I can comprehend the pain, the agony
you've endured to lose a loved one, Catherine. Not knowing
when or if the perpetrator singular or plural, will ever
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be caught, well, the new year may be a good
one for you. Things may unfold, including the name of
the perpetrator whose deeds make Trua look like kids.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I'll keep in touch sometime in the new year, signed
anonymous friend. Vetos sent the card after talking with Edmunds.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Tell me where were you when you began.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Speaking to Edmunds when he first came into h division.
I was a billet and they'd be putting him in
a separate yard. Shame as when I come in. So
you're the billet in h Division and that's where I
talked to him, and no one's talking to him. And
I said, you wanted something to rude And I said,
I've got something over you want something?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Five months after send him the Christmas card, Bethos wrote
to then police Commissioner Kel Blair with information about Headland
and Bertha Miller, whose bodies were found close together in
a quarry at Taynong North in November nineteen eighty.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
Is the TIONG file gathering dust? Have you run into
a dead end? Do you need help? With a multitude
of questions but very few answers. Did you know you
were dealing with a mass murder and a scale never
seen in this country? Only the top American serial killers
surpassed this cold blooded killer.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Did you know Edwin A.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Boyle was another victim and others across three states? Did
you find the approach that Bertha was wearing on the
day of a murder? All the pair of silver Sterling
bluebird earrings belonging to Catherine.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Vetos wrote the letter after talking to Edmonds on the
question of taking souvenirs from sexual assault victims. Now seventy
seven years of age, Vetos is a bit vague on
the details after all these years, so Stacy prompts him.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
The police talk to you about souvenirs, and they said,
you had a fucking souvenir from a rape that was
a bluebird? No, no necklace?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Did you take souvenirs?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Why not that?
Speaker 6 (28:48):
I wasn't what do you call it?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
That I was in there treating him like shitgirls, rapingham,
you know what I mean, not taking him shut.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
If he took anything, I believe it was as a thief,
not as a memento. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, and that's what that's sub did come up in
one of my trials, a victim that I've been a
convicted of said that the bluebird ear rings was hers necklace.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Necklace.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
So how I got him to tell him about the
bluebird earring it was? I was telling him about the
necklace in my case that the girls said that was
hers and it wasn't right. And I says, if they
find the ear rings jewelry and he says no, he says,
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he says they have to get a head first.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Hang on, did he first tell you anything about anyone
having bluebird earrings like the necklace that your victim had.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, well it was in the headline. So yeah,
you're talking.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Let's take a step back. Yeah, so forget this right.
You were accused of taking a necklace, which you did
not do.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Yeah, the family guilt, they found it guilty.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Of him anyway. But then you're talking to Raymond Edmunds.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yes, and I told him the story about that, said,
if you've ever taken any jewelry from those things, ray
I said to him, I wasn't calling him thinking that
you're gone if.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
They find him. And then that's when he said, they
have to get her head first, they have to get out.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
He said, my dad's told me. He said that the
girl still has the ear rings.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Yes, but they got something.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
There was a brooch that the broach was that Miller had,
so Edmunds, what she mentioned was what he called it
had a broach and the other one had ear rings,
but the young one had ear rings.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
And he said, he said this to you.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, he said that two of his victims had one
had a brooch and the other one had bluebird earrings and.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
He'd taken those.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
You're gone if they found him. I'm telling him he
was gone, and he says, I have to get her
head first.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Police took the information in the letter very seriously, believing
it could have come from the killer himself, because it
contained information only the killer would know. However, by this
time police did have Catherine's bluebird earrings, but not Miller's brooch.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
We've only just put that together. And I read something
about head shad well, that makes that makes sense in
the context of you saying the girl still has earrings,
because if the head was missing, they're still with the girl.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Unfortunately, that's just to get him talking about it, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
And did he did he say Catherine Headland?
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Good?
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Did he say the name Katherine Headland?
Speaker 6 (31:53):
You just said the fourteen year old?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
He said the fourteen Raymond Edward said to you the
fourteen year old. They'll find the earrings if they find
her head.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Effectively, Yeah, that's with hindsight, that's with hig the miller you.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Were saying that he admitted, but he didn't take none
of that.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
He didn't he didn't take the jewelry. You know, my
don't jump. He just said they'd had to get a
head first. Yeah, but he mentioned they had jewelry, trying
to rattle them off. But he says about the miller.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Nobody in the public knew about the jewelry at the time,
So when his letter got into the media, it caused
this big thing. Well, who wrote this letter? Because they
know that the victim had bluebird ear rings? And they
know that another victim had approach And I know who
didn't commit those murders because he was arrested in nineteen
(32:47):
seventy nine, and that's this guy here, So how did
he know? And until someone tells me how he knew?
That's why I will never shut up.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Have you told anybody else this before about the bluebird earrings?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Were you questioned at the time? Did they did know
with the letter?
Speaker 1 (33:06):
What happened then was when they come down and raided Pentridge,
they've gone to located the typewriter. But shortly after that
I sent the letter, I got into a fight with
the Kettleton and they shotted me right and I was
down h Division right. That's when they come down and
saw me. But they didn't give me an interview like
(33:29):
you normally would give they said, did I send the
letter to the commissioner? And I said, yes, it's obvious.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
To go back to a question you asked, why would
you do that? Well, because he thought he had the
information that was going to solve the crime. He was
telling the headlines I think next year is going to
be a good year for you because he thought that
he had all the answers.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
So this is in the Christmas car that you wrote
to family.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
And maybe he thought that because he had certain information,
it might help him in some way.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
And yes, OK, so.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
You're very clear. Let's just that's up a little bit.
You're very clear that ray Edmunds, mister Sinky told you
that effectively he killed Bertha Miller and Catherine Headler.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, because he told me he was in a conversation
that I've had with him a couple of years or
whatever it is. He's rund the tipping he was. He
trusted me because I was doing a twenty eight with
a what he called and then I've got an extra
six months for cutnoe Blake's right, and that's given me
seventeen years twenty five and a half. Right, Yeah, Oh,
I know he made it clear because he was telling
(34:39):
me that he did it. That's when he he had
of things that he was very He used to get
the paper in here, he used to get the missing people.
That's how the tynand come.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Edmunds has never been a strong suspect in the Frankston
tyne On cases because he was living in New South
Wales at the time. It's possible that Edmunds did return
to Victoria for the killings. However, police do not believe
he had the charm and interpersonal skills needed to lure
the women into a vehicle, as it appears occurred in
many of these cases. Vetos says Edmonds also gave him
(35:17):
information about a woman named Edwina Boyle who disappeared in
October nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
He was looking at it another time. Was you know
the pictures?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
I have a mission girls. He says, I know that
girl and that was a Duena Boil.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
So Ray Edmonds also new with Wuena Boyle.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Now Dad claims that he wrote the letter and there's
a name that's redacted on that letter. As you can see.
He says that name is a Duena Boyle. However, this
is where we lose people with this story, because Fred
Boyle went to prison for a Duena Boyle's murder.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
But how did Dad know he billed his wife and
put her in a barrel? Yeah, planned and then toted
this barrel around.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
From Well, the reason why I put that in, the
reason why I put that in He told me about
DNA Boil.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
So Edmonds told you that because she was he had
the thing.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
I believe he told him that she wouldn't be coming back.
I killed her bit that one way of coming back,
and Greena Boil was actually later found to have been deceased,
and Dad knew about it twenty years before she was found.
How it wasn't him? How if it wasn't Stinky as
someone that Stinky knew. That's all I can think of,
(36:33):
and I can't let go of it.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
I'm a mom.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
There was a fourteen year old child, I'm a woman.
He's done his time.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Haven't you told police that you call crime stoppers twice?
Has anybody contacted you?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
No?
Speaker 5 (36:46):
And the second time I rang them back was to
say you haven't even scooped up Peter to ask him
about me, saying he's claiming this.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Of course, there's a reward.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yes on the Frankston some people might say, you've only
saying this to get a reward.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
No, what we've forgotten, what we've left out of this story.
My father claims that before he got slotted, he went
to another prisoner and said, I know this about Stinky.
Let's go and let's tell them and we'll see if
it helps us out and you with our sentences. This
is another man by the name of Kerry Andrews, and
Dad got slotted because of Kettleton. And Andrews went forward
(37:26):
and pretended that he was the one that had been
told these things, and he stole Dad's story.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, when the cops come down, I can remember they
I told him that it was mister Stinky.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Okay, So you don't think the police believed you about
what you said about Eddence?
Speaker 6 (37:44):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
So.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Would you give evidence to the police again if they
were interested in talking to you once more?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Yeah? But shoot, what it is is theys A simple question,
yes or no? Would you give evidence?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Well, I'm a bit what he call with them, because
they already made up. They've flame and mine.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Well, these are different police that you're talking about a
long time ago.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
Well, well, I suppose I would your daughter's.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Nodding her head. Here, I reckon, she wants you to
do it correct.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
It needs to be done. Hence why we're having this conversation.
Someone needs to tell us how my dad knew about
those earrings. It had to have been the person who
told him, or someone else told that person. How else,
how else? This is a forty year old girl. They
run on through that all of the victims were just
(38:36):
as important, all of them, no matter of age. But
this was a child. That's, as a mother, horrifying, and
I can only think about. You know, they say someone
out there must know something about crimes, right, and they
want people to come forward. Well, here we are. We
think we know something.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Because Peter, you're not a well man.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
No what I'm pried got.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Cancer, you've got melanomapartments, we've got a model, I'm there.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
So you're not a well man. So time is running
out for you to tell this.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
That's what I'm frightened of.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And what I said to my daughter, I was going
to tell her why I tell us at least someone
knew what I know, and that had a profound effect
on her and she couldn't keep the secret no more.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
And she told me about it.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Now I'm indebted to follow suits me to say, yes, well,
I did tell her all of these things.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Right Another A critic might say that you're just saying
this to please your daughter, who's risked a lot for you.
I'm sticking by you. But are you doing it because
it's true? Because you're pleasing your daughter?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
It is true.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
I am worried now.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
That I might die, and that's what I told her
these things. I might die or he dies. We're not
he's eighty and I'm not too well. If I die
or he dies, that's the end of story. That what
I'm saying, That's what I'm worried about.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
And I do she around.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
You may at fourteen fifteen, at the time when Shaw
will have happened, and she's got a couple of daughters herself,
and I've got another daughter too. What I'm saying is
I'm frightened and I might die, and then that's the
end of it. Like their cases died. Now, shame that
whatever they shame.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
You know, no way to explain how he knew about it.
So people can criticize her what they want, but can
someone please tell me how he knows about the earrings.
If there's some other explanation, whether that's vig pole, because
I'm not going to shut up until i know how
he knew about those earrings.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Well, that's sure, that's someone hears about this. Yes, you're
very courageous.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
I know I'm proud of it.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
You've saved him and you saved him again.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
There's things that people, there's things that need to come
to light.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
And she made me realize, wake me up and same
because you did.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
So let's fay you did some terrible things, go terrible things.
This is an opportunity to do something good.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
That's why I'm doing it because simple reason is that's
why I told her all those things. Because I'm worried
to that I might die with all these complications. That's
regardless of what they think, right that it's never going
to get solved after this. This is what I'm saying
to me in order what i'd have to do with
you when you come or if I've got to come
(41:34):
out with something, I'd have to tell you.
Speaker 6 (41:37):
She was only fowardeen.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
She never fell in love, she never got married, she
never had kids, she never had grand kids.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Let's hope that I'm going to take this back to
the homicide squad and tell them in the conversation. We've
had the people there and we'll see what happens. But
I appreciate you coming forward, and I appreciate your.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
The only reason I'm coming forward is because I'm worried
i might die. And that's the end of it. I
don't care as a way, Well, it's not going to
be sholved. It's not going to be incholved.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
And to answer the question from before, you know, yeah,
there is a massive reward on it. There's a million
dollars per victim. No, we haven't done this to get
a reward. But is it something that you're aware of
in the background. Of course you are. It's a lot,
and that's why they put it out there to try
to get people to go forward. But how many of
(42:32):
these rewards actually get paid out in the end.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
Very few, See, That's what I didn't forget to say.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
From the time I sent the letter out and the
cops come and whatever the things I said, I never
asked for any reward.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
I was given them for free.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
That was the silver gun rapist Peter Vetos and his
daughter Stacy. There is a one million dollar reward for
information leading to an arrest in each of the six
Frankston Times. If mister Stinking did turn out to be
the killer of Katherine Hedlund and Bertha Miller, Peter Atos
could stand to collect. What an moment that would be.
(43:16):
If you have information about these cases or any others,
please send me an email at Adam Shand writer at
gmail dot com, or you can call crime Stoppers on
one eight hundred, triple three, triple zero. This has been
real crime with Adam Shand. Thanks for listening.
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