June 10, 2025 • 52 mins
The fallout from the Big Freeze match, bruising bumps, the future of the Tassie Devils, North Melbourne's narrow escape in Bunbury and Andrew Dillon's fireside coastal catch-up with bailey Smith are among the hot topics on this week's Real Footy podcast, with Michael Gleeson, Jake Niall, Caroline Wilson and Sam McClure. What's more, Donald Trump and Elon Musk even rate a mention.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Real Footy podcast coming up. Winter brings
the big Freeze to the mcg and to scoring rates
across the AFL. The temper is heated up between Melbourne's
two most outspoken leaders. The Kangaroos stole four points in
the first match of relocations to Way and the bump
is back in the headlines. All of that are more
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right after this. This is a pat you.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
My numbers who use the guard of honor, a fifty
family for.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
There whose are, and the Neil kind of hitting away.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
From this that we would have seen in for these years.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
He has delivered in swaves into a very very dangerous
place to turn. The poddy over.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
The attempted running barrel gets pass mates, lega went.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
To ground, pays long God.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Coming up, it's not coming.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Penal re hyperl here comes by retired massive marked over
the time, just slams it night.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
That straight into the guts.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
That's the game.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Hello and welcome. My name is Mike and Gleason and
joining us today on an expanded Bumper panel Jake Nole,
Caroline Wilson and Sam McClure.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Welcome to you all.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Hello Michael, great to be here again.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Good to have the Four Musketeers.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Hello, it is a sort of a by round, but
there's a lot of footy to discuss, and a lot
of off field stuff to discuss too.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I guess, well, you're absolutely right, and I suppose we'll
go to the first thing was well, the story out
of the mcg game was the clash between May and
May Day May and Max Corn, which happened just I
think it happened twice. It hapened sort of just before
the siren and then and then afterwards as well, where
May was.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Pushed him away. It had a sort of thinking about
it because Max Gorn pushed Stephen mainway. Stephen May came
over to I suppose you'd say, remonstrate or put his
point of view, which Stephen May, those of us who
know him would not say, he's never been first doing that.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Max.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
The thing that got Mede was that Max was clearly
irritated and pushed him away. And if that had been
an umpire, you'd be you'd be he wouldn't have done it,
felt yeah, But yeah, they were applying it down as
you would.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
The public sentiment's pretty clear, isn't it. Everyone just has
gone on is saying they completely understand why Max responded
the way he did. Stephen may Well, it was not
as bad an altercation as he had a few years
ago around the Queen's birthday. Well, in fact, that was
post Queen King's birthday game, wasn't it. It was King Trump,
It was Queen's birthday back then.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I mean Maxico Malcolm had jumped in.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Max Goran's decision to play on. Was he didn't know
he thought he'd taken the mark. He then played on.
It was probably the only thing he could do. It
was just a really bad kick. And I don't think
I mean, I'm with Max, given what he has done
for his footy club over the last few years and
held them together and had to be the front man
over so many squabbles and on field done so many
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gallant things. I did feel for him.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, Sam, if there's anyone that may could have gone
to about playing on and stuffing a kick, it wasn't
Max Gorne. It was Bailey Fritch taking a mark twenty
thirty meters out, unaware that Isaac Kuayann is looming upon him,
and he plays on. I mean that's the moment that
could have And who did he have in front of goal? Well,
he had the goals in front of him. They didn't
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need anyone else in front of him. He could have
just kicked it himself if he just gone back taken
his kick.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, not the first time in his career that the
man with the best hair in the AFL has burnt
best one of his teammates. Oh yeah, it's the best.
That's a work of art, that thing he is. He
has a reputation of being a selfish player, unfortunately Bailey,
but having said that, he usually kicks them. So you
live by the sword, you die by the sword with
those sort of players. I mean, the story of the
game for me, outside of the obvious that you guys
(04:06):
were just talking about, was, you know, it's just another
game that Melbourne let slip that if they had taken
their chances better, they probably win that game. And I
think what we've learned in the last few years is
that footy is so tight now that teams like Melbourne,
teams like Carlton, like Essendon, and if they can find
a way to bank enough wins to sneak into the eight,
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you just don't know what can happen. And watching that
game against the Pies yesterday just reminded me, I don't
know how you three felt about it. That you know,
Melbourne can still be a pretty bloody good team when
they want to be. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I think what we're saying the last month from Melbourne
is more what I thought they'd be this year. I
just want to read what Max Gorn said on radio
this morning. I just want yea. So he shouldered full
responsibility for the incident, saying his reaction was born out
of quote extreme disappointment of the result in admitted quote.
I agree with Steven in hindsight, my decision was poor.
(05:04):
So he defended mate, saying his teammate was showing care
and quote trying to get the best out of the team.
And there's a bit further down there, so the pair
are still texting through it, texting through it. I've never
heard that description before.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I spoke with backs in the rooms afterwards, and it's
essentially the same sort of thing. But he was quite
right from that moment, with thirty seconds to go, he
was about a two percent chance of that happening. And
then when he's played on, he didn't think he'd played on,
he was called to play on. He's gone a talk
which as he even he said, a ruckman attempting a
talk from back pocket with thirty seconds to go. It
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was probably pretty low, even lower percentage. Look, if you
distill that game, it's one they've both got. It was
a battle of defenses. Melbourne won in the middle, which
meant that they had more inside fifties. Collingwood had a
slightly more efficient and better forward line than Melbourne has.
And that's how you described the two teams going into
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the game, and that's how the game end up falling through.
The other element that came out of that game was
the tagging of Nick Daykos.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, and probably the most aggressive tag. And I'm including
I was at the GWS game where Toby Bedford tagged
him similarly, I said, it wasn't a tag, it was
like glad rap. So he was right on, right on
top of Langdon was right on top of Daykos and
did a fantastic job. And it was interesting to see
how Collingwood and Dacos handled this because you can argue
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that Collingwood didn't do enough. If this was the late
great Robert Walls, he would be saying, well, what did
the teammates do? You can't do things that they used
to do in the past, but well the Dermot Bruton
used to do, I.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Think to Carrow's point, off the top, glease like despite
it being a bye weekend, there's so much to talk about.
Like we've just talked, We've spent five minutes talking about
a huge on field issue and we're recording at a
time just before the Commission is about to meet and
the future of the nineteenth license been cast into major doubt.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, and Collingwood Melbourne still create. I mean, what is
it about Melbourne and King's Birthday games? There's always some drama.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
In Collingwood Melbourne games. You know, sure Maynard, you know
the close results.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
They made a much better fist of it Melbourne and
I just don't she probably should have won. But as
what did Craig McCrae say, if one day course doesn't
get you, the other one will. I mean, Josh Dakos
was extraordinary and you know all that carrying on from
other clubs about father's son. I don't remember anyone really
clamoring to get Josh Dakos back in the day.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Taken in the sixty second round, third round.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
He's been a chance, best and fairest in a premiership
year in Australia. He's been an extraordinary player. I was
disappointed in the crowd and we spoke about this off air,
But I would have thought they could have got over
eighty thousand and they were hopeful of getting eighties. They
only got seventy seven, only a few thousand more than cut. Well,
it's Collingwood, Melbourne and it was a massive build up
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with the Neil Danna hurting end of the year. What
go on say?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
We all know the forecast was for worse than the
weather ended up being. The weather also brought snows at
the opening of that weekend. Yes, well, it's just I'm
just pointing out some facts.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
There were a lot fewer range rovers driving out the
streets of Melbourne this weekend, that is true.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That's the big So the coach has done enough to
keep his job in my view. I mean, despite naysayers,
there is no doubt at all that the new regime
was looking was entertaining the idea of looking around for
a replacement.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
And saying they're not anymore.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I don't believe. So they certainly entertained the idea of
Luke Beveridge.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Well that's not going to happen they change their more
than caring June. It's not as that there's suddenly talking.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I think there's a view that there are some big
things that need to change at that footy club, and
one is not the coach. That's my understanding interesting and
that he's done enough and leaders at the club of
on field leaders have made it clear that they believe,
they believe in him and they want him to stick around.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So you raise it, so we not to lightly dismiss
it because we moved back to the King's Birthday game.
But the Commission meeting this afternoon, Carol, and we're sitting
here on Monday morning, Tuesday morning, what do you anticipate
will be the temperature amongst the presidents around Tasmania well
(09:36):
before because sorry, the President's meet before the commission, so
for the.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
No confidence motion in the Tasmanian Parliament. The presidents had
already said they didn't want the CEOs to be at
the meeting today, They wanted a separate meeting and that
that occasionally happens. Wasn't scheduled, but it now will happen
because they're going to put forward a few potential names
for the commission replacements or ultimate replacements for Richard Goid.
(10:01):
You know, there's a strong view that the clubs are
just so divided over this that maybe it's better that
Goider's stays. Now that Andrew Dillon started making a few
moves with his executive so it would be interesting. I mean,
Jeff Brown, I think is still very much in the frame.
There's some support for Craig Drummond and a couple of others.
The rubber stamping of the afternoon Grand Final, which I
think we reported on this podcast around gather round.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Andrew Dillon, I think even pre season he was all
but flagging, Yeah, Afternoon.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
It's stupid that it comes up every year, and I
think Andrew Dillon privately agrees with that. Now, if he's
going to continue to stick with tradition, then don't make
it a debate every year. It diminishes the product in
my view. So and Tasmania Tasmania, I mean, this is
empowered a lot of the naysay its hasn't it really?
(10:49):
This decision by the parliament to self destruct.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Before the meeting today. There are at least two commissioners
that believe that the Tazzy team should be delayed. I
think only believe that the AFL have to come out
soon and ratify that. There's just too many moving parts.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Now, so how on that. One thing we have to
get our heads around is that this is not the
decision about the funding of the stadium is not the AFLs,
it's the Tasmanian government.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
That's right, Jack. So they can only control control. So
that's so push back, So push back the team until
you know, because this current delay, whether there's a resignation
or an election at the very least, is going to
delay the construction of the stadium until.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And she was always going to be late yet.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
That's right, but they wanted to start construction before December,
which would mean that the stadium would have been ready
for twenty thirty glease.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
But it's also that their meeting to also reaffirm is
our position that it's stadium will know to no club, they.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Will reaffirm that. Well, that's that's a that's a role
gold certainty, because.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It also gives the presidents and the clubs and out
if they don't the.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
AFL, the AFL nor the Tasmanian Devils, in my view,
can afford to have a team which for potentially three
full seasons. Glease is playing home games at different ends
of the state. It's just they're not going to be
able to attract players. They're not going to be able
to keep players. And by the time the stadium.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Because they're playing two different grounds.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
They were always going to play play some games in
long system.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Well yeah maybe, but when when this was And that's fine,
But if there is a one point five billion dollar
stadium sitting there and you're telling people that they are
playing a home game somewhere else while that remains dormant,
I don't think that'll same.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Where does Geelong play? But that's differently playing two different venues.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
That is completely It's not, of course.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Like can a team not playing two different venues and
satisfy two different parts of it? Quite a unique football
How long is club for? That's how long has t
has maybe you been playing football for.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
But they're not. But they don't have their own team yet.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
What they want is a key home base, which will
be Hobart maybe.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I mean if the stadium gets I couldn't disagree more
so because I think that the having spent a bit
of time down there, I think that the lone system
by some measures football stronger in the North and the
Northwest than it is in the South. And if they
if they don't have some nod to the North politically
in that football in that in that football environment, I
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think that there's a very big anti Hobart element from
the North. I think they need games there.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, I think Brendan Gaale and if he chooses the
right coach, I mean we're sort of saying if now.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
We're bringing the cart well before the horse.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Is Brendan Gale. Brendon Gale is a Northerner and I
believe he very much believes in the lonn option. And
I think you know, Andrew Dillon went down there earlier
this year, was quite struck.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
What's the long sestant option?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
What do you mean four games going four to seven,
four split.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Four out of eleven when when you're building at one
point five billion dollar stadium? Can anyone explain to me
how that makes financial sense?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Only it's not gonna be one well, we don't know
the exact figure, and we also know that it's not
just going to be a footy stadium.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Or Sam, does anyone feel there's some connections to Tasmania
In this room? You've got some heritage carro So, Sam,
You've got significant heritage. Do you feel in any way
that this has been an AFL shakedown of a state
that doesn't have a lot of money, and that it's
put a gun to the head of a state that
this view is being put in Tasmania. They see Richard Flanagan.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Flannagan, give me a break, stick to salmon and novels.
Really no, I'm really disappointed.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I'm putting there are just you knows the state.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
He's a Tasmanian, he does not believe, he doesn't believe
in the stadium, and I cannot understand why you wouldn't
want to give your state the best chance by having
a state of the art stadium to play footy in.
And look, Sam, I don't know the final equation, but
there will definitely be home games also in long system.
Maybe it's eight three, I don't know. I don't know.
I can't predict the next ten years, but I'm so
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disappointed in people like Richard Flanagan and his lack of
support for something that I so fervently believe I would be.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
About to finish on.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Actually, Martin Fanagin's column in the Age Today Tuesday's paper
is incredible. You should definitely read it. I disagree with
almost all of it, but the way that he enunciated
I thought was perfect.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, he's on the ground, we're not. He's talking about
local football clubs. Now. I don't agree with all of it,
but I deferred, as you just did, Sam.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
To his on the ground that are dying, dying by
the year and continue to dine, which is why to die,
which is why the AFL has finally listened and put
forward the best possible option. I read, sorry, I read
the Martin Flanagan column. I don't agree with a lot
of what Martin says, and I remember I remember saying
in Adelaide, ten years before the Adelaide Oval finally was opened,
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that I thought they should go back to the Adelaide.
People started booing me at a speech I was making
in England. Now they walked out. I mean, I remember
the sentiment in South Australia. I remember the sentiment in Perth.
More recently, Jake, look at those two states now and
look at footy in those states now.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I think, I think there is a difference here in
the scale of what's being When you look at what's
being asked of Tasmania proportionately compared to those states. Now
that is obvious.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I think there's also a conflation of clubs dying in
Tasmania and a new club and an AFL club being
put in there. The AFL club in there won't of
itself fixed Tasmanian footing, it can help. The other point
that I thought that Flanner has made quite well was
the jack Jumpers, the coach, the sale of the game
of basketball through Tasmania that the AFL has neglected. Clearly,
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these clubs, these small clubs throughout Tasmania, they're not getting
players visiting them the way the jack Jumpers are and
the way this game has has has taken over the
AFL's position as sport of doing that.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Now that they've got a national team, now that they've
got a team in the national competition, I mean I haven't.
I don't think North did as much as they could
have done. Even Hawthorne, who made a massive impact and
made a lot of money over many years and it
was great for their premierships as well. Out of Tasmania,
I don't think they did enough community work either.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
So just final one from me on this, Hobart is
a beautiful place to go. Right if they put a
stadium there with a roof on it, with hotels around it,
it's a two minute walk to Salamanca. And suddenly you're
not just selling going to games in Tasmania to watch football.
You're selling a golf trip that involves football. You're selling
a winery trip that involves football. They cannot do that
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at the moment. It is going to be a low
of zero degrees on Friday night for Hawthorne's game against Adelaide.
How attractive is that if you're an Adelaide fan to
travel to Launceston to sit there in the freezing hold
on a Friday night.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
A lot of soccer played in European open stadiums.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, that's fine, that's pretty cold, completely different culture.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
The scheduling will they'll work that out with scheduling.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Well, litter, we'll move on. There were some other big
issues out of the weekend, notably the bump of Sam
Durham on Adam Cherah and he got two weeks for that.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I thought he was lucky, don't you.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I thought he was just I've written a piece for
today where I think he's extremely lucky. The basic reading
of the Tribunal schedule of penalties, which careless high impact,
high contact delivers a two week penalty, is the basic
reading of it. There's also provision in the tribunal guidelines
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that state the level of injury is not the player
sustaining an injury is not necessary for upgrading of severe
is potentially and I think that that guideline provision perfectly
anticipated this exact sort of incident because fractionally across and
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we're talking not just about a small collision or a
being severe catastrophic.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, one of the few times watching a game on
the couch that I actually got up and audibly because
that was that was really dangerous. Yeah, that's how someone
can break their neck.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I thought he'd get through. I was surprised you got to.
But there's been a little shift, I think, Glease in
the m R Row.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I agree with this.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
The last month. I think it's wound back. There's been
more leniency.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
We saw that with a peer decision for the tribunal.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yes, yes, I think it's gone.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Have you noticed that chair has been chair has come
in for some criticism too.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Hands position, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I'm kidding it, and I'm kidding. I'm kidding A little bit. Yeah,
I'm getting a bit flabbergasted. Thanks Carray for highlighting that
I'm getting a bit flabbergasted by this tendency to talk
about the victim and a collision or the passive party
being at fault, like like with the the Jackson Archer one,
which I was absolutely one hundred percent for the suspension
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that he got, and I was astonished that people were
thinking that this was okay when he ran from twenty
meters behind and the guy was low trying to pick
up the ball and he's come, why he's run a
red light? So I could not believe that one. But
I think it's been more.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Leaning it so Durham, you could see he saw Cheru down,
had his hands on the ball picking it up, and
he made that decision. And afterwards Brad Scott spoke about
these players have to make split second decisions and look,
he must have got it wrong. The fact is he
had time to make. Other players have that same time
and they have that split second decision and they don't
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make that decision. We're not seeing this anymore. And Durham
had time to make that decision. He had time again
to make another decision he had he took several steps
before he then went through his head or through his shoulder,
and he had time enough to alter what he was doing,
and he committed to it. And the decision that he
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had was twofold. It was either to tackle him, the
player had the ball. He chose not to tackle him,
and then he chose to bump him. He also had
another choice, which was to pull up. And that's exactly
what Michael Voss said, and it's the view of Lee Matthews.
Now these are not shrinking violets of the game. That
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both thought that it was an ugly incident. And this
wasn't Matthews sticking up for his premiership captain because the
other coach was another of his premiership players. So he's
I think he was completely right Matthews in saying that
Cherry was lucky. That well, Cherry was certainly lucky, but
so it was.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Durham's just onto the we might as well go to
the Tom Stewart one. Yeah, quickly, I thought he would
get cleared. The question, though, is what would have been
the outcome, given that there wasn't a concussion, if Noah
Anderson had had internal injuries nothing.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
No, I'm interested that well, didn't they make it clear
in some statement that the injury is not necessarily you know,
it does not necessarily contribute to the suspension.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
But that's clearly been the case with concussions. That's been
a big factor. But if it's a if it's a
bump where let's say there was a Petrarca or Dormitt
Burton's style internal injury where you're passing blood, et cetera,
what was it?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Totally no, because the provisions are that you're allowed to
bump unless you get someone high. Now and now, if
he didn't get him high, the fact that he bumped
and got him through the body and you suffered injury,
then that's he did hit his head on the ground.
And if he's if he hit his head on the
ground as a constant and was concussed, that would be
a more compelling argument as to well, should he have
suffered a suspension? Then did he go past the ball?
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I like to make sure he got in.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Would Mark Yates by that token wood Marke Yates get
suspended now that's the most celebrated bump of that cider
saw Domit Burton on Thursday night. A yeah, deliberate.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
On the weekend.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
This is like a bar and picket.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Alright.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
On that note, we'll take a break there and come back.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
We're online all the time.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Just search age real footy on Facebook or Twitter. I've got.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Crushing tackle on the Big Feller allows Charing to.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Get those charity can come to Williams.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Williams can extend the late the twenty Nights and.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
The Blues of Welcome back. Sam is the man with
a probably the more personal interest in the Blues. Were
you persuaded by them?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
No.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
I thought they were pretty horrible, excellent, were worse In
the end. It wasn't a great It wasn't a great game,
it must be said. No, it wasn't a great day
for the AFL, to be honest, given the game that
happened before in Bunbury. But the Blues did what they
needed to do to win, and as I made the
point in the early segment, glease a team like Carlton
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with as much talent as they've got, if they can
bank enough wins and somehow sneak into the eight. You
just don't know that they've proven it before that they
can go and runs. I think they've left it a
little bit too late, but we'll say.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
We spoke to Michael Voss on three aw on Monday
and I talked about, you know, the changing of the
guard with the new CEO coming in and being a
footy CEO, and I sort of said, is there a
bit of tension around the joint and uncertainty because clearly
he's going to be reviewing a lot of stuff and
what role Michael Voss was playing in that? And he
(24:41):
felt I was being a bit dramatic. Do you think
that's been dramatic or do you expect change?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
No?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I don't think it's been dramatic in the slightest. I
mean this has been for a while now, and let's
be honest, long before Michael Voss got there. He can't
be handled all the responsibility this. There've been a failing
footy club, you know, I said it at the time
when they went on the run to make the prelim
against Brisbane, they celebrated out like a premiership Good strong
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clubs don't do that. And they have been a footy
club that embraces apathy for far too long. You know
that near enough is kind of good enough though.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Because I mean we're talking about iterations of the of
the club and the latest iteration is this this administration
which is the one that now Graham rights inherited, and
it's not the one of the last twenty years of
mismanagement and poor performance. The latest one has had moments
of good performance at Maigan Finals, but now they're on
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this roller coaster. So that is that he's got to address.
And there's certainly going to be changed.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, changes in the foota department, you imagine. I mean
list management has obviously been a big talking point for
Carton for years.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I think I think they've got to make some tough
decisions around the playing list and the Tom deconning likely
defection is a great opportunity for Carlton. I'd be treating
it's not as some loss, but rather as an opportunity
to rebalance their least.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Jeez, I disagree, Jake. I don't know how you could
see Tom Decony leaving that footy club as anything utter
than a disaster, like this is a guy that they've
invested so much in. Max Gorn said before the start
of year he could be the best player in the competition.
Was in your Australian side. I'm trying to remember the
one you wrote, who's your ruckman? Gorn gone, Yeah, that's fair,
but he's you know, he's in the conversation to be
all Australian ruckmen. And the fact that he's even vaguely
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considering an offer from Saint Kilda, he's an indictment.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Vaguely considering a seven hundred thousand dollar in who's on
the million dollars that he's being offered by Cal and.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Tom wouldn't be considering that if Carlton were a top
six side.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
If I'm Carlton, I think it's an absolute win win.
You're offering him the top dollar of say million bucks.
You don't pay ruckman more than that, and then another ruckman. Yeah,
you've got one there. Pitt Net can play. The bloke
the played against him the other night was not the
worst and he came out of nowhere. He was playing
his first game. You've got so if he goes, you
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saved the million bucks and you get a first round
draft picking. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I'm just not a believer. I can't remember that many
times where a good player leaving has been good.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
The biggest indictment is that they've got Zach Williams there
on a million dollars plus this year and next year now,
just just to.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Pick up on that one, Sam, Sorry, sorry Franklin. Franklin
and Gary Amblin.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yep, sure, And you know, you know what those two
clubs have in common, a lot of good players. They
win flags, Carton don't. So if if you're somehow creating
the argument that Tom Decone leaving has Carlton closer to
a premiership, I just can't. I can't forget it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Well, Brodie Grundy left, you know, they pushed him out
the opportunity. Graham right, they're involved in that. I don't
think Graham right, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I'm not ready. Grundy wasn't in the form that they're
kind of.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
No, No, no, he wasn't. But the point is the value.
The argument here is about the value of the financial
value of Ruckman and I think that is a very
open point that how many teams one premierships gorn Melbourne
once in ten years.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Toby nan Curvis never really looked like being all Australian,
but he was a game changer for Richmond.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
He just Grundy. Colinwo then replaced him with Darcy Cameron,
who they picked up for four hundred and fifty who
had played two games. I think for City you can
find a player and develop them and at a cut price.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
In that position, they're going to end up getting a
draft pick, which will get pushed back because of a
lot of the NBA's this year. In a week draft.
You know, it doesn't sound like you do something with it.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Well, removed one thing. One thing Carlton can do that
they can attract players. I think that's a big difference
between them and some other clubs.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Hasn't hasn't really worked for them since the days.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
That's all the crystal ball down down what they may
do at the end of the year. What about what
they're actually doing now? Do they look better and different
or was this also just a weakened team? And it
was same Oel Cartony. As far as the second half
of the game where.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
There was a period in the second half or third
quarter particularly, it looked like there were a chance they
were going to blow another big lead. They steadied, there
was a great goal by Acres that really I felt
at that moment they were going to win the game.
Then there was another flurry basin and they got out
of it. But as they should have, they had a
better side. They had more talent on the park. You know,
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Esendam was spirited, but Essident had this habit of giving
up big leads early.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Well also they are a depleted side Essendon still, so
I thought again, Essendon played, you know, as you said,
with spirit. I actually thought that they were good for
what they had had available and out there. I thought
Sidon were good.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Yeah, I can see what Brad's got an Essendon they're
trying to do and with not very many good players,
and I mean that respectfully.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I think they're okay and a horrific injury list and.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
A terrible injury list. Carlton have a lot of good
players and not that many injuries.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Speaking of horrific Bunbury.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Look, none of us were there before. We should declare
this right now. Oh look, North Melbourne don't get many
free to wear games. Although that was a free.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
At a small mercy.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
We should have been people actually should have been paid
to watch that game.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
How many inside fifties did West Coast have for one goal? Yeah,
and they filled the ground and well.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
The thirteen thousand in the temporary stands.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
North well, hey, I thought that was pretty good for
North Melbourne. West Coast out at Bunbury.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Temporary stands and we're talking about a billion dollar impediment
to Tasmania getting a game.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah no, no, Well North has to do something and
no sponsors are complaining about their lack of freeow aar games,
so they have to get money somewhere.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And do you know how you get more freewear games?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Co play better?
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Yeah, you play better? Like I didn't hear Brad Scott
and the North Melbourne administration when they were making back
to back prelims complain. I'll pour us twenty times, but
there's a lot of poor us coming from North Melbourne
at the moment. They are there to win games of football.
That the whole money thing is is secondary. And I
just thought it was a really poor look for the
competition yesterday. And I thought it was a really poor
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look for North. I understand they got the win, but
you know, if we're going to have a sor conversation
about this footy club, the fact that with all the
help that they've been given by the AFL, with all
the draft picks they've had, with Clarko going there, and
they are still only just falling over the line against
one of the worst teams we've seen. That's that's a worry.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Carrow is Clark, I still got it? Do you think,
I mean you have to at some point question whether
he's still the coach that he was.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, I'd be guessing. I mean, only the players that
have been coached by him and are currently being coached
by him now could answer that.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
One of the worst teams you've seen, there's two wins
between them, two differentiating them. I mean, they're not North
sitting third bottom now, they've been in that bottom four
for a long time, so they've there's not a lot
different between them. We should have expected too much more
from it.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
But they've had lease a lot more access to high
end talent through the draft than West Coast have.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, what do you think, more broadly, carry about the
fact that we end up with through these by rounds,
this crappy Sunday?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Look, I mean well afternoon, the nightgame.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Come listening on paper, seventy four thousand people, there were
still a good game. Horrible night, horrible Sunday night at
the MCG. I know they're two big clubs, but they're
both going pretty ordinarily, So that is a that's a
plus and look, Essendon came backs that looked like they
were going to be thrashed. It wasn't a great game.
I don't like I don't like the by rounds, never have.
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I certainly don't like this current fixture. It's awful where
they spread it out over so many weeks. I'd rather
nip just you know, give us one week with two
headline games Friday night, Saturday night or whatever, and then
and the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Just yeah, agree, just another thing. The NRL gets a
lot of state of origin momentum in the Northern States
at this time of year. It's something we tend to be.
We can be in a sort of a bunker of
AFL that this is the only thing that exists.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Well, no, it's not, and you've written about that.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, the AFL W is a real concern in the
getting close to two million people. It should be an
absolute warning for the AFL.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
And outrating AFL games now two years in a row,
two years in an rl W nrl W outrating an
AFL game.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Close to two million viewers.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
So we're still playing the Grand Final on a Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
It's got nothing to do.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
I've got everything to do.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
With it.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
No, this is a different situation. You've got two night
games and nrl W State of Origin game and an
AFL game you know for premiership points, both on a
Thursday night. I think it was a Friday and Thursday
night last year, Friday night this year wasn't anyway, there
were two night games and I don't think AFL Grand
Final been played in the day. Is putting people in
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Sydney of watching AFL. I don't believe that for a minute.
And I've written about You've written about we need more
radical fixtures.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Well particularly we need I think that this is a
with the Matildas and now nrl W State of Origin
they've got to respond. I know we're out of season
for FLW. This is a bit of a mini crisis here,
I reckon.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Well, particularly when and I mentioned Jeff Brown as a
potential potential chairman of the commission and he's only very
recently stepped down from Collingwood. You think back to what
happened in the eighties at the AFL and what they
did and the decisions they made and the radical things
they you know, they made. There was some stuff ups,
but they completely reshaped and changed the competition and they
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made some really bold brave moves. Where are those bold
brave moves now?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Well, the thing was that the AFL used to be
the one that put all other sporting competitions on the
back foot and challenged them to match them. They would
do things that were innovative, play, move teams into new territory,
which is meant to put him into new time slots.
Now the AFL is on the back foot and they
don't know which way to go.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Peter respond love him all over him. Two things about
him He doesn't die wondering. He does things. He's a doer.
And the second thing is he doesn't do things by process, clearly,
he just does them. And secondly, he has a level
of access and support. I bought not an unconnected matter
with media that puts the AFL on the shade.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Well, there's a suggestion, or there were indications things might
change now that someone like Gregg Swan's coming in to
run a foot. I don't think there'll be all that
much process with gregg'slock.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
We'll move on because it's not going to be four o'clock.
We'll move on and Hawthorn and the Bulldogs. Just as
we were talking about spent first five minutes talking about
May and Gorne. We've come away from this great Hawthorn
win and we're talking about show boating from Jack Gineber,
which has basically been the conversation of the weekend since
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What did you make of? Firstly that, but then the
different Hawthorne after the week before?
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Just quickly from me? I love the whole innovant thing,
and it probably helped by the fact that I'm a neutral.
I spoke to some Hawthorne people who just sort of
rolled their eyes, and you really need to do that.
I spoke to some Bulldogs people who are pretty pissed
off about it. But the game is made on theater,
and I don't care what you say. Jack Ineman puts
bums on seat.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Wouldn't have been that theatrical if he fully shanked the kick,
which he almost did.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Were those Hawthorne people that he spoke to that said, well,
did he really need to do that? Maybe your choll
and some of the Hawthorne players that really didn't like it.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I did speak to it a couple of his teammates,
but I think largely the sentiment around Jack is it
he's good for the game, but you know, it blows
up in your face every now and then. But I
think you probably take the good with the bad Jack.
That's my view.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I still can't get over the Brody Grundy. See you
in two weeks. I know people think I overstated that,
but that was so damaging to Hawthorne's finals chance.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
It was going to the races the night before the
Grand Final.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Well that sort of.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
That didn't say that an Instagram comment damaged Hawthorne's finals chances.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I do, Oh, come on, they lost the next game
by three points or something. They lost by listening to
goal It fired Adelaide up.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Adelaide bought Adelaide need extra motivation for a final Sam.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
That's irrelevant to me. It doesn't matter about what they needed.
That fired up a team in a line ball game,
if it was a difference between a goal or not.
I think Hawthorne had every right to be filthy at
Guinevan and I bit you he never does it again.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I would just say, if you do these things, you
have to win, and if you hold the ball out,
which I like the theater of it, we'd be colossal
hypocrites when we're talking about this and feeding off it
and getting all this media attraction out of Jack Ginovan
to bag him too much for that holding the ball up,
but you don't want to drop it. So that's my
point is if you've got to make it, you've got
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to make it work. You to do these things. Fine,
you've got to make it.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
And if you take money from junior footy clinics, he
should turn up as well. He's got a few priors.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
When he went on social media at Glease and said
I'm paraphrasing him here, I can't a guy have fun
or something? When he justified after the game Bro Bro
he did, he's a bit of Mario Balatelli about Ginevan.
I don't know if all of our listeners know him
through infamous soccer player that finished his career with sort
of Manchester City. In ac Milan, he used to hold
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up a jumper underneath his City jump which said why
always me? You know, it's basically like why is it
everyone always having a goal with me? Which is basically
what Jack said on the weekend. You know, the two
things those guys have in common, apart from being villains,
the actual talent very underrated, Like can we just remove
the return footballer?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Any pretty value, wasn't he Sam?
Speaker 3 (38:27):
He did his penance in the twos and he, you know,
seemed to have taken that on the.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Chin coaching and what do you have on the had
twenty three and kick too?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I played really well. Lee Matthews was pretty scathing, called
him a smart ass on foot on Monday Night. Yeah,
he didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Well, you tend to listen to Lee from that era,
you know, where you didn't draw attention to yourself. But
we're in We're we're now in an attention economy and
and we're in a social media world where drawing attention
to oneself is the commodity. We've got a president of
the United States that doesn't warring with the guy one
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of the platforms broadly. No, No, I'm just talking about
the new landscap.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Trump and Elon making a metull on the Age Footy podcast.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Does that bring us to more broadly though, yes it does.
But I thought more broadly after thirty two tackles the
week before this was a Hawthorne team that came out
with a bit of grit about them, yep, and a
bit of resolve and it was a troubling result for
the Bulldogs in the same breath, and I thought Darcy
comes back in hopefully as soon as the next match,
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and they can't. That can't happen quickly enough because they've
just dropped out of the eight. And I think I
still think they're a Premiership contender with him back in
the team and things clicking for them, But this that
was troubling, troubling loss for them. Yeah, Bailey Smith, the
fireside chat with Bill's is what you were getting to Yep, yeah,
(39:54):
it was. It was initially reported or not even reported,
I think aline A subheadline was was added that he
kept Albanezy waiting, which wasn't true. He didn't do that.
He was back at the AFL by five point thirty
and at the game on time and was never expected
to be meeting alban easy but he well, not hosting
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alban EZI sorry he did dumb. He was expected to
drop in a meet with him. But yeah, I think
I don't know what your take on it was, but
he went down. It seems to be part of this
determination to try and personalize a bit more of the
connection between the headquarters and clubs and players. And he
knows his dad Nick from Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
But don't underplay how worried they are about his behavior
and how concerned some people at Geelong are. What did
Patrick Dangerfield say on the weekend? He colors outside the lines, well,
most people color inside well. He made one of those
classic Patrick Dangerfield comments. I don't. I think everyone's been
very diplomatic about Bally Smith and he's playing some wonderful footing.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
That was their motivation is to say, do you fully
understand how important football is here? But also how important
you are the football and the game, And that's you
don't go racing down the coast for player thirty two
at the Tigers at the moment, you're just he's one
of the best players in the competition. And the AFL
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leader needed to make that.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
What about the old fashioned view that the mountain Mohammad
should have gone to the mountain and not the other
way around.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I think in the simpler sense, what's the most comfortable environment,
Let's go down and actually is it hauling him before
you know that? It's a very different feel if you
tell the player come up and see us at the
AFL headquarters and walk in like you know, the naughty boy,
or you go down and have a more relaxed conversation
at his place. I have no problem with that. I
think it was smarter.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Because there are ways of communicating with people like Lally Smith,
and he doesn't take feedback particularly well if it's delivered.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
The wrong way.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I thought it was really clever to go down there.
I think it was really smart because the dynamic looks
like he's going to Bailey Smith and that Bailey Smith's
in the power, in the position of power in this dealing,
when in fact, I would put together reverse is true
that Andrew Dylon is by going to see Bailey Smith's
gaining some something.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
That Steve Hawking, Chris Scott, she would have loved to
have been a fly on the wall the way they
chose there on the.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Tree would have got some subtitles.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I reckon in the fireplace.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I just hope that the game doesn't ostracize itself from Bailey.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
That's well, that was the point they was trying to make.
We just keep punishing players like him, like Willie with
just fining and finding, you know, he's flipping the bird,
and we do all of that, and we just keep
you know, getting into them that that sort of punitive
measures not really working to change his behaviors.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
But don't think flipping the birds issue with Bailey that
they can.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
But it's the issue of just constant penal and let's
just take a penalty first approach to handling someone. I
don't think that was what they think. I think it's
what they want to get away for.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Is there a double standard at hearty where the AFL,
which came up with the Ken Hinckley suspension. With the
AFL wants these players or individuals or conflicts that draw
an audience and interest, and social media makes this even
bigger with Bailey. Bailey's the first player to be the
biggest figure in the game based on social not on media.
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It's the first time that's happened in the history of
the code. Right, So he's a new number one player
in a team in the in the sort of new
media setup.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
In fact, you wrote that column almost four years ago
in Grand follow a Weekending Earth.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
At Baslinker at Baslinka at Baslinka. So he's he's got
a different place in the game to anyone else. And
if people want, one of the reasons he has all
these followers and he has all this interest is because
he's edgy and because he's pushing the boundaries. So on
one hand, you want to bring him into line. On
the hand, your profiting essentially from.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
His and because of the way. Yeah, I said to
her a couple of blokes when we went to Geelong
that day for that preseason catch up, Remember he was
wondering and he made some smart remark to me, you know,
Carol will be bagging me or something, and I said, oh,
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he was wondering about with his shirt. Often these two
very good former players said if I look like that,
I would never.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Would never wear it. I would never wear like that
line in Date Night Steve Carrell film when he walked
into Wilbert Wahlberg, also without a shirt.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
To get for the love of Don. The point that
I was trying to raise was, you know, there's been
some interviews that he's given on seven about some of
the work that he's had to had to do and
you know, like playing video games so he stays away
from alcohol that sort of stuff. And then I don't
know if you guys listened in full to the podcast
he did recently speaking about about his mental health battle
about his demons, and I was I've got emotional listening
(44:59):
to that. I thought you poor poor bloke, like going
for all that. Now, there's stuff that will be out
of his control, and there's stuff that will be self
inflicted wounds. But I just think that, you know, listening
to someone talk about his health battles like that, football
is clearly such an important vehicle for his happiness. So
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I just hope that I hope that the game and
I hope that Bailey have each other for a long time.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah, and so okay, that's the only point. Everyone's advocate
Mary white House for one moment. There are hundreds of
thousands of fifteen year olds who adore him, and some
of those will now equate winning a premiership going out
and getting on the gear.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
And that's not cool.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
And I just don't I don't think that, and I
know people would go to you know, you're a hundred.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
And mental health shouldn't be used as an excuse for
that at all. I'm separating it from that that behavior
is incorrect and he should be punished for it. I'm
just saying separately to that as a human being, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Talking about the suspension or talking about the comments that
were on Instagram. On Instagram, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Maybe they do. Maybe they also just think he was
having fun. I think that brought the other element to
the meeting between Dylan and him was also I think
it can't be disconnected from the Willy reoal. I think
I think because that was that was part of that
motivation with Willy. I mean, talking to someone at the AFL,
they said Willie would have received more fines for off
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field stuff than any other player by the length of
the strait in the last five or th years. And
just you've got a player of limited education. They were
trying to manage him. Now they bugget it up. They
misread the room. They should he deserved the penalty in
the first instance, but their intent was good. In as
much as do we want to just keep do we
want to drive this guy out of the game, we
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need to manage players a little bit differently when they
are off field incidents. I know you've spoken about this
joke about how the AFL gets into difficulties where on
the field we have this this matrix of you know,
your algorithm to come up with a what a penalty
will be, and we don't have that for off field.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
But because there's more nance, not only do we not
have that, which maybe we can't they don't have even principles.
I'm not talking about you have to have set penalties.
I'm talking about you have to have a guiding philosophy.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
They don't even have that, and they haven't for years.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
And I just at one moment of cynicism, one will apparently,
you know, it's good for him to go out and
spend the day fishing. But do you think that even
though he's not an old zav and it was it
was a bit longer to travel that it might have
been maybe someone at the AFL should have thought about
paying Willy Rioli a visit and talking to him about
(47:38):
his troubles. And maybe they did. But I'm just you know,
I would hope that it's.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
A busy parting company with the with the inclusion department.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
I'm not sure hasn't need to do it.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Come on, their mates, Dylan and Bailismith's father know each other.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
And I'm not sure that is a connection.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
We'll take a break there, come back with quick questions.
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Speaker 4 (48:16):
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Speaker 2 (48:24):
That is perfect.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Welcome back and we go straight into quick questions. One
for you, Caro, where do you think Wanganeen Malira will
play next year?
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Well, I should say you know, I reported on Channel
seven that he not on a nine program. You shouldn't
his camp. His camp is reluctant for him to go
to the Adelaide Football Club and that some Kildare and
Port Adelaide are aware of that because he still has
some issues and so to many in the South Australian
Indigenous community. With Taylor Walker, Adelaide deny this. Ben Williams's
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manager denies this. They feel they are very much still
in the game Adelaide. My view is that Port Adelaide
are ahead. But my stronger view is that we spoke
earlier in the show about deconing Sinkilda have to prioritize Desiah.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
It's just just doesn't just quickly. Hasn't gonna malaria, hasn't
a sigh. It's been on the record. I think with
AFL dot com saying that he wants to stay, no.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
He's saying no, not quite. He's talked about he's really
happy at sin Kilda. I think it's a worry for
sin Kilda and they're worried too that he hasn't signed yet,
because you would think he would have by now. He
certainly is very fond of ross Lyon. He's had a
lot of support and sin Kilda have a very good
record Rosslyne does with indigenous players. But I think there
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are elements of Melbourne he really doesn't enjoy it. So
let's see. But I think it's just too too hard
to call. But Sinkilda can keep him if they match.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
You're saying that Adelaider out though, that is my view.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Adelaide vehemently deny it, which is.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
No surprise really the management you want him.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
You want to your leverage on an Overridge.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Wellso if you're looking at it in a football sense,
you'd say go to Adelaide and Adelaide.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Looking he's been talking to both Adelaide and Port Adelaide
over the last couple of weeks and every offer is
on the table right, And the view is it's not
about mone It's actually a.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
Great point in please wise, right.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Adelaide Adelaide would be the best place to a flag.
But those things can change, yeah they can.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Well if you Sam is the absence of Joe Dan
Herb Brisbane been underestimated for how they're traveling this year.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
No, I don't think so, because I think when he
retired with a year left on his contract, we were
all well aware of how good a player he was,
and you know if he'd been part of any forward
line that they would miss him. Because key forwards who
kicked fifty goals in a season that can pinch it
in the ruck don't grow on trues. We know that.
So I think Brisbane has done a marvelous job without him,
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quite frankly, but I don't think it's been underestimated, and.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Given that we've mentioned it virtually every week, we haven't
underestimated it. Jake, should the Bulldogs persist with Aaron Norton
as a forward bearing Mam? We know Luke Beverage almost certainly,
but what's your view on where Norton should be played.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
I think they should trial him behind the ball strongly,
But I believe that for a long time and give
it three weeks and see how he goes, because I
think he's just not playing well. He's had a few injuries,
but he's not playing well. And with Darcy there there's
a great opportunity to do it. I've never been convinced
by Rory Lobb.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
No, but he's he's having some of the best in
some of the best form of his career, which is
not a huge statement, but he's His ability to go
forward the other night did have an impact in getting
the Bulldogs back into that concept.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
So beverages Adam and he won't though, No, that's.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Right, But I think that point I made as well
as when you see Sicily the versatility and the impact
not so much obviously this year in the way he's gone,
but having that player that can if you have Lob
and Norton freely able to flip ends depending on the
circumstances and the need, I think that only adds to
the to the team, not not diminishes it. Anyway, that's
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Speaker 1 (01:19):
Hello and welcome. My name is Mike and Gleason and
joining us today on an expanded Bumper panel Jake Nole,
Caroline Wilson and Sam McClure.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Welcome to you all.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Hello Michael, great to be here again.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Good to have the Four Musketeers.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Hello, it is a sort of a by round, but
there's a lot of footy to discuss, and a lot
of off field stuff to discuss too.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I guess, well, you're absolutely right, and I suppose we'll
go to the first thing was well, the story out
of the mcg game was the clash between May and
May Day May and Max Corn, which happened just I
think it happened twice. It hapened sort of just before
the siren and then and then afterwards as well, where
May was.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Pushed him away. It had a sort of thinking about
it because Max Gorn pushed Stephen mainway. Stephen May came
over to I suppose you'd say, remonstrate or put his
point of view, which Stephen May, those of us who
know him would not say, he's never been first doing that.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Max.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
The thing that got Mede was that Max was clearly
irritated and pushed him away. And if that had been
an umpire, you'd be you'd be he wouldn't have done it,
felt yeah, But yeah, they were applying it down as
you would.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
The public sentiment's pretty clear, isn't it. Everyone just has
gone on is saying they completely understand why Max responded
the way he did. Stephen may Well, it was not
as bad an altercation as he had a few years
ago around the Queen's birthday. Well, in fact, that was
post Queen King's birthday game, wasn't it. It was King Trump,
It was Queen's birthday back then.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I mean Maxico Malcolm had jumped in.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Max Goran's decision to play on. Was he didn't know
he thought he'd taken the mark. He then played on.
It was probably the only thing he could do. It
was just a really bad kick. And I don't think
I mean, I'm with Max, given what he has done
for his footy club over the last few years and
held them together and had to be the front man
over so many squabbles and on field done so many
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gallant things. I did feel for him.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, Sam, if there's anyone that may could have gone
to about playing on and stuffing a kick, it wasn't
Max Gorne. It was Bailey Fritch taking a mark twenty
thirty meters out, unaware that Isaac Kuayann is looming upon him,
and he plays on. I mean that's the moment that
could have And who did he have in front of goal? Well,
he had the goals in front of him. They didn't
(03:39):
need anyone else in front of him. He could have
just kicked it himself if he just gone back taken
his kick.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, not the first time in his career that the
man with the best hair in the AFL has burnt
best one of his teammates. Oh yeah, it's the best.
That's a work of art, that thing he is. He
has a reputation of being a selfish player, unfortunately Bailey,
but having said that, he usually kicks them. So you
live by the sword, you die by the sword with
those sort of players. I mean, the story of the
game for me, outside of the obvious that you guys
(04:06):
were just talking about, was, you know, it's just another
game that Melbourne let slip that if they had taken
their chances better, they probably win that game. And I
think what we've learned in the last few years is
that footy is so tight now that teams like Melbourne,
teams like Carlton, like Essendon, and if they can find
a way to bank enough wins to sneak into the eight,
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you just don't know what can happen. And watching that
game against the Pies yesterday just reminded me, I don't
know how you three felt about it. That you know,
Melbourne can still be a pretty bloody good team when
they want to be. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I think what we're saying the last month from Melbourne
is more what I thought they'd be this year. I
just want to read what Max Gorn said on radio
this morning. I just want yea. So he shouldered full
responsibility for the incident, saying his reaction was born out
of quote extreme disappointment of the result in admitted quote.
I agree with Steven in hindsight, my decision was poor.
(05:04):
So he defended mate, saying his teammate was showing care
and quote trying to get the best out of the team.
And there's a bit further down there, so the pair
are still texting through it, texting through it. I've never
heard that description before.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I spoke with backs in the rooms afterwards, and it's
essentially the same sort of thing. But he was quite
right from that moment, with thirty seconds to go, he
was about a two percent chance of that happening. And
then when he's played on, he didn't think he'd played on,
he was called to play on. He's gone a talk
which as he even he said, a ruckman attempting a
talk from back pocket with thirty seconds to go. It
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was probably pretty low, even lower percentage. Look, if you
distill that game, it's one they've both got. It was
a battle of defenses. Melbourne won in the middle, which
meant that they had more inside fifties. Collingwood had a
slightly more efficient and better forward line than Melbourne has.
And that's how you described the two teams going into
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the game, and that's how the game end up falling through.
The other element that came out of that game was
the tagging of Nick Daykos.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, and probably the most aggressive tag. And I'm including
I was at the GWS game where Toby Bedford tagged
him similarly, I said, it wasn't a tag, it was
like glad rap. So he was right on, right on
top of Langdon was right on top of Daykos and
did a fantastic job. And it was interesting to see
how Collingwood and Dacos handled this because you can argue
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that Collingwood didn't do enough. If this was the late
great Robert Walls, he would be saying, well, what did
the teammates do? You can't do things that they used
to do in the past, but well the Dermot Bruton
used to do, I.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Think to Carrow's point, off the top, glease like despite
it being a bye weekend, there's so much to talk about.
Like we've just talked, We've spent five minutes talking about
a huge on field issue and we're recording at a
time just before the Commission is about to meet and
the future of the nineteenth license been cast into major doubt.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, and Collingwood Melbourne still create. I mean, what is
it about Melbourne and King's Birthday games? There's always some drama.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
In Collingwood Melbourne games. You know, sure Maynard, you know
the close results.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
They made a much better fist of it Melbourne and
I just don't she probably should have won. But as
what did Craig McCrae say, if one day course doesn't
get you, the other one will. I mean, Josh Dakos
was extraordinary and you know all that carrying on from
other clubs about father's son. I don't remember anyone really
clamoring to get Josh Dakos back in the day.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Taken in the sixty second round, third round.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
He's been a chance, best and fairest in a premiership
year in Australia. He's been an extraordinary player. I was
disappointed in the crowd and we spoke about this off air,
But I would have thought they could have got over
eighty thousand and they were hopeful of getting eighties. They
only got seventy seven, only a few thousand more than cut. Well,
it's Collingwood, Melbourne and it was a massive build up
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with the Neil Danna hurting end of the year. What
go on say?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
We all know the forecast was for worse than the
weather ended up being. The weather also brought snows at
the opening of that weekend. Yes, well, it's just I'm
just pointing out some facts.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
There were a lot fewer range rovers driving out the
streets of Melbourne this weekend, that is true.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That's the big So the coach has done enough to
keep his job in my view. I mean, despite naysayers,
there is no doubt at all that the new regime
was looking was entertaining the idea of looking around for
a replacement.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
And saying they're not anymore.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I don't believe. So they certainly entertained the idea of
Luke Beveridge.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Well that's not going to happen they change their more
than caring June. It's not as that there's suddenly talking.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I think there's a view that there are some big
things that need to change at that footy club, and
one is not the coach. That's my understanding interesting and
that he's done enough and leaders at the club of
on field leaders have made it clear that they believe,
they believe in him and they want him to stick around.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So you raise it, so we not to lightly dismiss
it because we moved back to the King's Birthday game.
But the Commission meeting this afternoon, Carol, and we're sitting
here on Monday morning, Tuesday morning, what do you anticipate
will be the temperature amongst the presidents around Tasmania well
(09:36):
before because sorry, the President's meet before the commission, so
for the.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
No confidence motion in the Tasmanian Parliament. The presidents had
already said they didn't want the CEOs to be at
the meeting today, They wanted a separate meeting and that
that occasionally happens. Wasn't scheduled, but it now will happen
because they're going to put forward a few potential names
for the commission replacements or ultimate replacements for Richard Goid.
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You know, there's a strong view that the clubs are
just so divided over this that maybe it's better that
Goider's stays. Now that Andrew Dillon started making a few
moves with his executive so it would be interesting. I mean,
Jeff Brown, I think is still very much in the frame.
There's some support for Craig Drummond and a couple of others.
The rubber stamping of the afternoon Grand Final, which I
think we reported on this podcast around gather round.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Andrew Dillon, I think even pre season he was all
but flagging, Yeah, Afternoon.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
It's stupid that it comes up every year, and I
think Andrew Dillon privately agrees with that. Now, if he's
going to continue to stick with tradition, then don't make
it a debate every year. It diminishes the product in
my view. So and Tasmania Tasmania, I mean, this is
empowered a lot of the naysay its hasn't it really?
(10:49):
This decision by the parliament to self destruct.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Before the meeting today. There are at least two commissioners
that believe that the Tazzy team should be delayed. I
think only believe that the AFL have to come out
soon and ratify that. There's just too many moving parts.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Now, so how on that. One thing we have to
get our heads around is that this is not the
decision about the funding of the stadium is not the AFLs,
it's the Tasmanian government.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
That's right, Jack. So they can only control control. So
that's so push back, So push back the team until
you know, because this current delay, whether there's a resignation
or an election at the very least, is going to
delay the construction of the stadium until.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And she was always going to be late yet.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
That's right, but they wanted to start construction before December,
which would mean that the stadium would have been ready
for twenty thirty glease.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
But it's also that their meeting to also reaffirm is
our position that it's stadium will know to no club, they.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Will reaffirm that. Well, that's that's a that's a role
gold certainty, because.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It also gives the presidents and the clubs and out
if they don't the.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
AFL, the AFL nor the Tasmanian Devils, in my view,
can afford to have a team which for potentially three
full seasons. Glease is playing home games at different ends
of the state. It's just they're not going to be
able to attract players. They're not going to be able
to keep players. And by the time the stadium.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Because they're playing two different grounds.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
They were always going to play play some games in
long system.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Well yeah maybe, but when when this was And that's fine,
But if there is a one point five billion dollar
stadium sitting there and you're telling people that they are
playing a home game somewhere else while that remains dormant,
I don't think that'll same.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Where does Geelong play? But that's differently playing two different venues.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
That is completely It's not, of course.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Like can a team not playing two different venues and
satisfy two different parts of it? Quite a unique football
How long is club for? That's how long has t
has maybe you been playing football for.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
But they're not. But they don't have their own team yet.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
What they want is a key home base, which will
be Hobart maybe.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I mean if the stadium gets I couldn't disagree more
so because I think that the having spent a bit
of time down there, I think that the lone system
by some measures football stronger in the North and the
Northwest than it is in the South. And if they
if they don't have some nod to the North politically
in that football in that in that football environment, I
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think that there's a very big anti Hobart element from
the North. I think they need games there.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, I think Brendan Gaale and if he chooses the
right coach, I mean we're sort of saying if now.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
We're bringing the cart well before the horse.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Is Brendan Gale. Brendon Gale is a Northerner and I
believe he very much believes in the lonn option. And
I think you know, Andrew Dillon went down there earlier
this year, was quite struck.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
What's the long sestant option?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
What do you mean four games going four to seven,
four split.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Four out of eleven when when you're building at one
point five billion dollar stadium? Can anyone explain to me
how that makes financial sense?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Only it's not gonna be one well, we don't know
the exact figure, and we also know that it's not
just going to be a footy stadium.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Or Sam, does anyone feel there's some connections to Tasmania
In this room? You've got some heritage carro So, Sam,
You've got significant heritage. Do you feel in any way
that this has been an AFL shakedown of a state
that doesn't have a lot of money, and that it's
put a gun to the head of a state that
this view is being put in Tasmania. They see Richard Flanagan.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Flannagan, give me a break, stick to salmon and novels.
Really no, I'm really disappointed.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I'm putting there are just you knows the state.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
He's a Tasmanian, he does not believe, he doesn't believe
in the stadium, and I cannot understand why you wouldn't
want to give your state the best chance by having
a state of the art stadium to play footy in.
And look, Sam, I don't know the final equation, but
there will definitely be home games also in long system.
Maybe it's eight three, I don't know. I don't know.
I can't predict the next ten years, but I'm so
(14:55):
disappointed in people like Richard Flanagan and his lack of
support for something that I so fervently believe I would be.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
About to finish on.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Actually, Martin Fanagin's column in the Age Today Tuesday's paper
is incredible. You should definitely read it. I disagree with
almost all of it, but the way that he enunciated
I thought was perfect.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, he's on the ground, we're not. He's talking about
local football clubs. Now. I don't agree with all of it,
but I deferred, as you just did, Sam.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
To his on the ground that are dying, dying by
the year and continue to dine, which is why to die,
which is why the AFL has finally listened and put
forward the best possible option. I read, sorry, I read
the Martin Flanagan column. I don't agree with a lot
of what Martin says, and I remember I remember saying
in Adelaide, ten years before the Adelaide Oval finally was opened,
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that I thought they should go back to the Adelaide.
People started booing me at a speech I was making
in England. Now they walked out. I mean, I remember
the sentiment in South Australia. I remember the sentiment in Perth.
More recently, Jake, look at those two states now and
look at footy in those states now.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I think, I think there is a difference here in
the scale of what's being When you look at what's
being asked of Tasmania proportionately compared to those states. Now
that is obvious.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I think there's also a conflation of clubs dying in
Tasmania and a new club and an AFL club being
put in there. The AFL club in there won't of
itself fixed Tasmanian footing, it can help. The other point
that I thought that Flanner has made quite well was
the jack Jumpers, the coach, the sale of the game
of basketball through Tasmania that the AFL has neglected. Clearly,
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these clubs, these small clubs throughout Tasmania, they're not getting
players visiting them the way the jack Jumpers are and
the way this game has has has taken over the
AFL's position as sport of doing that.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Now that they've got a national team, now that they've
got a team in the national competition, I mean I haven't.
I don't think North did as much as they could
have done. Even Hawthorne, who made a massive impact and
made a lot of money over many years and it
was great for their premierships as well. Out of Tasmania,
I don't think they did enough community work either.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
So just final one from me on this, Hobart is
a beautiful place to go. Right if they put a
stadium there with a roof on it, with hotels around it,
it's a two minute walk to Salamanca. And suddenly you're
not just selling going to games in Tasmania to watch football.
You're selling a golf trip that involves football. You're selling
a winery trip that involves football. They cannot do that
(17:35):
at the moment. It is going to be a low
of zero degrees on Friday night for Hawthorne's game against Adelaide.
How attractive is that if you're an Adelaide fan to
travel to Launceston to sit there in the freezing hold
on a Friday night.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
A lot of soccer played in European open stadiums.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, that's fine, that's pretty cold, completely different culture.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
The scheduling will they'll work that out with scheduling.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Well, litter, we'll move on. There were some other big
issues out of the weekend, notably the bump of Sam
Durham on Adam Cherah and he got two weeks for that.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I thought he was lucky, don't you.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I thought he was just I've written a piece for
today where I think he's extremely lucky. The basic reading
of the Tribunal schedule of penalties, which careless high impact,
high contact delivers a two week penalty, is the basic
reading of it. There's also provision in the tribunal guidelines
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that state the level of injury is not the player
sustaining an injury is not necessary for upgrading of severe
is potentially and I think that that guideline provision perfectly
anticipated this exact sort of incident because fractionally across and
(18:51):
we're talking not just about a small collision or a
being severe catastrophic.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, one of the few times watching a game on
the couch that I actually got up and audibly because
that was that was really dangerous. Yeah, that's how someone
can break their neck.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I thought he'd get through. I was surprised you got to.
But there's been a little shift, I think, Glease in
the m R Row.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I agree with this.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
The last month. I think it's wound back. There's been
more leniency.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
We saw that with a peer decision for the tribunal.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yes, yes, I think it's gone.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Have you noticed that chair has been chair has come
in for some criticism too.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Hands position, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I'm kidding it, and I'm kidding. I'm kidding A little bit. Yeah,
I'm getting a bit flabbergasted. Thanks Carray for highlighting that
I'm getting a bit flabbergasted by this tendency to talk
about the victim and a collision or the passive party
being at fault, like like with the the Jackson Archer one,
which I was absolutely one hundred percent for the suspension
(19:58):
that he got, and I was astonished that people were
thinking that this was okay when he ran from twenty
meters behind and the guy was low trying to pick
up the ball and he's come, why he's run a
red light? So I could not believe that one. But
I think it's been more.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Leaning it so Durham, you could see he saw Cheru down,
had his hands on the ball picking it up, and
he made that decision. And afterwards Brad Scott spoke about
these players have to make split second decisions and look,
he must have got it wrong. The fact is he
had time to make. Other players have that same time
and they have that split second decision and they don't
(20:33):
make that decision. We're not seeing this anymore. And Durham
had time to make that decision. He had time again
to make another decision he had he took several steps
before he then went through his head or through his shoulder,
and he had time enough to alter what he was doing,
and he committed to it. And the decision that he
(20:55):
had was twofold. It was either to tackle him, the
player had the ball. He chose not to tackle him,
and then he chose to bump him. He also had
another choice, which was to pull up. And that's exactly
what Michael Voss said, and it's the view of Lee Matthews.
Now these are not shrinking violets of the game. That
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both thought that it was an ugly incident. And this
wasn't Matthews sticking up for his premiership captain because the
other coach was another of his premiership players. So he's
I think he was completely right Matthews in saying that
Cherry was lucky. That well, Cherry was certainly lucky, but
so it was.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Durham's just onto the we might as well go to
the Tom Stewart one. Yeah, quickly, I thought he would
get cleared. The question, though, is what would have been
the outcome, given that there wasn't a concussion, if Noah
Anderson had had internal injuries nothing.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
No, I'm interested that well, didn't they make it clear
in some statement that the injury is not necessarily you know,
it does not necessarily contribute to the suspension.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
But that's clearly been the case with concussions. That's been
a big factor. But if it's a if it's a
bump where let's say there was a Petrarca or Dormitt
Burton's style internal injury where you're passing blood, et cetera,
what was it?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Totally no, because the provisions are that you're allowed to
bump unless you get someone high. Now and now, if
he didn't get him high, the fact that he bumped
and got him through the body and you suffered injury,
then that's he did hit his head on the ground.
And if he's if he hit his head on the
ground as a constant and was concussed, that would be
a more compelling argument as to well, should he have
suffered a suspension? Then did he go past the ball?
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I like to make sure he got in.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Would Mark Yates by that token wood Marke Yates get
suspended now that's the most celebrated bump of that cider
saw Domit Burton on Thursday night. A yeah, deliberate.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
On the weekend.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
This is like a bar and picket.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Alright.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
On that note, we'll take a break there and come back.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
We're online all the time.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Just search age real footy on Facebook or Twitter. I've got.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Crushing tackle on the Big Feller allows Charing to.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Get those charity can come to Williams.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Williams can extend the late the twenty Nights and.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
The Blues of Welcome back. Sam is the man with
a probably the more personal interest in the Blues. Were
you persuaded by them?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
No.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
I thought they were pretty horrible, excellent, were worse In
the end. It wasn't a great It wasn't a great game,
it must be said. No, it wasn't a great day
for the AFL, to be honest, given the game that
happened before in Bunbury. But the Blues did what they
needed to do to win, and as I made the
point in the early segment, glease a team like Carlton
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with as much talent as they've got, if they can
bank enough wins and somehow sneak into the eight. You
just don't know that they've proven it before that they
can go and runs. I think they've left it a
little bit too late, but we'll say.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
We spoke to Michael Voss on three aw on Monday
and I talked about, you know, the changing of the
guard with the new CEO coming in and being a
footy CEO, and I sort of said, is there a
bit of tension around the joint and uncertainty because clearly
he's going to be reviewing a lot of stuff and
what role Michael Voss was playing in that? And he
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felt I was being a bit dramatic. Do you think
that's been dramatic or do you expect change?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
No?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I don't think it's been dramatic in the slightest. I
mean this has been for a while now, and let's
be honest, long before Michael Voss got there. He can't
be handled all the responsibility this. There've been a failing
footy club, you know, I said it at the time
when they went on the run to make the prelim
against Brisbane, they celebrated out like a premiership Good strong
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clubs don't do that. And they have been a footy
club that embraces apathy for far too long. You know
that near enough is kind of good enough though.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Because I mean we're talking about iterations of the of
the club and the latest iteration is this this administration
which is the one that now Graham rights inherited, and
it's not the one of the last twenty years of
mismanagement and poor performance. The latest one has had moments
of good performance at Maigan Finals, but now they're on
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this roller coaster. So that is that he's got to address.
And there's certainly going to be changed.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, changes in the foota department, you imagine. I mean
list management has obviously been a big talking point for
Carton for years.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I think I think they've got to make some tough
decisions around the playing list and the Tom deconning likely
defection is a great opportunity for Carlton. I'd be treating
it's not as some loss, but rather as an opportunity
to rebalance their least.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Jeez, I disagree, Jake. I don't know how you could
see Tom Decony leaving that footy club as anything utter
than a disaster, like this is a guy that they've
invested so much in. Max Gorn said before the start
of year he could be the best player in the competition.
Was in your Australian side. I'm trying to remember the
one you wrote, who's your ruckman? Gorn gone, Yeah, that's fair,
but he's you know, he's in the conversation to be
all Australian ruckmen. And the fact that he's even vaguely
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considering an offer from Saint Kilda, he's an indictment.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Vaguely considering a seven hundred thousand dollar in who's on
the million dollars that he's being offered by Cal and.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Tom wouldn't be considering that if Carlton were a top
six side.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
If I'm Carlton, I think it's an absolute win win.
You're offering him the top dollar of say million bucks.
You don't pay ruckman more than that, and then another ruckman. Yeah,
you've got one there. Pitt Net can play. The bloke
the played against him the other night was not the
worst and he came out of nowhere. He was playing
his first game. You've got so if he goes, you
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saved the million bucks and you get a first round
draft picking. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I'm just not a believer. I can't remember that many
times where a good player leaving has been good.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
The biggest indictment is that they've got Zach Williams there
on a million dollars plus this year and next year now,
just just to.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Pick up on that one, Sam, Sorry, sorry Franklin. Franklin
and Gary Amblin.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yep, sure, And you know, you know what those two
clubs have in common, a lot of good players. They
win flags, Carton don't. So if if you're somehow creating
the argument that Tom Decone leaving has Carlton closer to
a premiership, I just can't. I can't forget it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Well, Brodie Grundy left, you know, they pushed him out
the opportunity. Graham right, they're involved in that. I don't
think Graham right, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I'm not ready. Grundy wasn't in the form that they're
kind of.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
No, No, no, he wasn't. But the point is the value.
The argument here is about the value of the financial
value of Ruckman and I think that is a very
open point that how many teams one premierships gorn Melbourne
once in ten years.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Toby nan Curvis never really looked like being all Australian,
but he was a game changer for Richmond.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
He just Grundy. Colinwo then replaced him with Darcy Cameron,
who they picked up for four hundred and fifty who
had played two games. I think for City you can
find a player and develop them and at a cut price.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
In that position, they're going to end up getting a
draft pick, which will get pushed back because of a
lot of the NBA's this year. In a week draft.
You know, it doesn't sound like you do something with it.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Well, removed one thing. One thing Carlton can do that
they can attract players. I think that's a big difference
between them and some other clubs.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Hasn't hasn't really worked for them since the days.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
That's all the crystal ball down down what they may
do at the end of the year. What about what
they're actually doing now? Do they look better and different
or was this also just a weakened team? And it
was same Oel Cartony. As far as the second half
of the game where.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
There was a period in the second half or third
quarter particularly, it looked like there were a chance they
were going to blow another big lead. They steadied, there
was a great goal by Acres that really I felt
at that moment they were going to win the game.
Then there was another flurry basin and they got out
of it. But as they should have, they had a
better side. They had more talent on the park. You know,
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Esendam was spirited, but Essident had this habit of giving
up big leads early.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Well also they are a depleted side Essendon still, so
I thought again, Essendon played, you know, as you said,
with spirit. I actually thought that they were good for
what they had had available and out there. I thought
Sidon were good.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Yeah, I can see what Brad's got an Essendon they're
trying to do and with not very many good players,
and I mean that respectfully.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I think they're okay and a horrific injury list and.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
A terrible injury list. Carlton have a lot of good
players and not that many injuries.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Speaking of horrific Bunbury.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Look, none of us were there before. We should declare
this right now. Oh look, North Melbourne don't get many
free to wear games. Although that was a free.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
At a small mercy.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
We should have been people actually should have been paid
to watch that game.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
How many inside fifties did West Coast have for one goal? Yeah,
and they filled the ground and well.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
The thirteen thousand in the temporary stands.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
North well, hey, I thought that was pretty good for
North Melbourne. West Coast out at Bunbury.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Temporary stands and we're talking about a billion dollar impediment
to Tasmania getting a game.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah no, no, Well North has to do something and
no sponsors are complaining about their lack of freeow aar games,
so they have to get money somewhere.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And do you know how you get more freewear games?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Co play better?
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Yeah, you play better? Like I didn't hear Brad Scott
and the North Melbourne administration when they were making back
to back prelims complain. I'll pour us twenty times, but
there's a lot of poor us coming from North Melbourne
at the moment. They are there to win games of football.
That the whole money thing is is secondary. And I
just thought it was a really poor look for the
competition yesterday. And I thought it was a really poor
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look for North. I understand they got the win, but
you know, if we're going to have a sor conversation
about this footy club, the fact that with all the
help that they've been given by the AFL, with all
the draft picks they've had, with Clarko going there, and
they are still only just falling over the line against
one of the worst teams we've seen. That's that's a worry.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Carrow is Clark, I still got it? Do you think,
I mean you have to at some point question whether
he's still the coach that he was.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, I'd be guessing. I mean, only the players that
have been coached by him and are currently being coached
by him now could answer that.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
One of the worst teams you've seen, there's two wins
between them, two differentiating them. I mean, they're not North
sitting third bottom now, they've been in that bottom four
for a long time, so they've there's not a lot
different between them. We should have expected too much more
from it.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
But they've had lease a lot more access to high
end talent through the draft than West Coast have.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, what do you think, more broadly, carry about the
fact that we end up with through these by rounds,
this crappy Sunday?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Look, I mean well afternoon, the nightgame.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Come listening on paper, seventy four thousand people, there were
still a good game. Horrible night, horrible Sunday night at
the MCG. I know they're two big clubs, but they're
both going pretty ordinarily, So that is a that's a
plus and look, Essendon came backs that looked like they
were going to be thrashed. It wasn't a great game.
I don't like I don't like the by rounds, never have.
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I certainly don't like this current fixture. It's awful where
they spread it out over so many weeks. I'd rather
nip just you know, give us one week with two
headline games Friday night, Saturday night or whatever, and then
and the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Just yeah, agree, just another thing. The NRL gets a
lot of state of origin momentum in the Northern States
at this time of year. It's something we tend to be.
We can be in a sort of a bunker of
AFL that this is the only thing that exists.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Well, no, it's not, and you've written about that.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, the AFL W is a real concern in the
getting close to two million people. It should be an
absolute warning for the AFL.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
And outrating AFL games now two years in a row,
two years in an rl W nrl W outrating an
AFL game.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Close to two million viewers.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
So we're still playing the Grand Final on a Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
It's got nothing to do.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
I've got everything to do.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
With it.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
No, this is a different situation. You've got two night
games and nrl W State of Origin game and an
AFL game you know for premiership points, both on a
Thursday night. I think it was a Friday and Thursday
night last year, Friday night this year wasn't anyway, there
were two night games and I don't think AFL Grand
Final been played in the day. Is putting people in
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Sydney of watching AFL. I don't believe that for a minute.
And I've written about You've written about we need more
radical fixtures.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Well particularly we need I think that this is a
with the Matildas and now nrl W State of Origin
they've got to respond. I know we're out of season
for FLW. This is a bit of a mini crisis here,
I reckon.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Well, particularly when and I mentioned Jeff Brown as a
potential potential chairman of the commission and he's only very
recently stepped down from Collingwood. You think back to what
happened in the eighties at the AFL and what they
did and the decisions they made and the radical things
they you know, they made. There was some stuff ups,
but they completely reshaped and changed the competition and they
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made some really bold brave moves. Where are those bold
brave moves now?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Well, the thing was that the AFL used to be
the one that put all other sporting competitions on the
back foot and challenged them to match them. They would
do things that were innovative, play, move teams into new territory,
which is meant to put him into new time slots.
Now the AFL is on the back foot and they
don't know which way to go.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Peter respond love him all over him. Two things about
him He doesn't die wondering. He does things. He's a doer.
And the second thing is he doesn't do things by process, clearly,
he just does them. And secondly, he has a level
of access and support. I bought not an unconnected matter
with media that puts the AFL on the shade.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Well, there's a suggestion, or there were indications things might
change now that someone like Gregg Swan's coming in to
run a foot. I don't think there'll be all that
much process with gregg'slock.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
We'll move on because it's not going to be four o'clock.
We'll move on and Hawthorn and the Bulldogs. Just as
we were talking about spent first five minutes talking about
May and Gorne. We've come away from this great Hawthorn
win and we're talking about show boating from Jack Gineber,
which has basically been the conversation of the weekend since
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What did you make of? Firstly that, but then the
different Hawthorne after the week before?
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Just quickly from me? I love the whole innovant thing,
and it probably helped by the fact that I'm a neutral.
I spoke to some Hawthorne people who just sort of
rolled their eyes, and you really need to do that.
I spoke to some Bulldogs people who are pretty pissed
off about it. But the game is made on theater,
and I don't care what you say. Jack Ineman puts
bums on seat.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Wouldn't have been that theatrical if he fully shanked the kick,
which he almost did.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Were those Hawthorne people that he spoke to that said, well,
did he really need to do that? Maybe your choll
and some of the Hawthorne players that really didn't like it.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I did speak to it a couple of his teammates,
but I think largely the sentiment around Jack is it
he's good for the game, but you know, it blows
up in your face every now and then. But I
think you probably take the good with the bad Jack.
That's my view.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I still can't get over the Brody Grundy. See you
in two weeks. I know people think I overstated that,
but that was so damaging to Hawthorne's finals chance.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
It was going to the races the night before the
Grand Final.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Well that sort of.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
That didn't say that an Instagram comment damaged Hawthorne's finals chances.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I do, Oh, come on, they lost the next game
by three points or something. They lost by listening to
goal It fired Adelaide up.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Adelaide bought Adelaide need extra motivation for a final Sam.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
That's irrelevant to me. It doesn't matter about what they needed.
That fired up a team in a line ball game,
if it was a difference between a goal or not.
I think Hawthorne had every right to be filthy at
Guinevan and I bit you he never does it again.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I would just say, if you do these things, you
have to win, and if you hold the ball out,
which I like the theater of it, we'd be colossal
hypocrites when we're talking about this and feeding off it
and getting all this media attraction out of Jack Ginovan
to bag him too much for that holding the ball up,
but you don't want to drop it. So that's my
point is if you've got to make it, you've got
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to make it work. You to do these things. Fine,
you've got to make it.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
And if you take money from junior footy clinics, he
should turn up as well. He's got a few priors.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
When he went on social media at Glease and said
I'm paraphrasing him here, I can't a guy have fun
or something? When he justified after the game Bro Bro
he did, he's a bit of Mario Balatelli about Ginevan.
I don't know if all of our listeners know him
through infamous soccer player that finished his career with sort
of Manchester City. In ac Milan, he used to hold
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up a jumper underneath his City jump which said why
always me? You know, it's basically like why is it
everyone always having a goal with me? Which is basically
what Jack said on the weekend. You know, the two
things those guys have in common, apart from being villains,
the actual talent very underrated, Like can we just remove
the return footballer?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Any pretty value, wasn't he Sam?
Speaker 3 (38:27):
He did his penance in the twos and he, you know,
seemed to have taken that on the.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Chin coaching and what do you have on the had
twenty three and kick too?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I played really well. Lee Matthews was pretty scathing, called
him a smart ass on foot on Monday Night. Yeah,
he didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Well, you tend to listen to Lee from that era,
you know, where you didn't draw attention to yourself. But
we're in We're we're now in an attention economy and
and we're in a social media world where drawing attention
to oneself is the commodity. We've got a president of
the United States that doesn't warring with the guy one
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of the platforms broadly. No, No, I'm just talking about
the new landscap.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Trump and Elon making a metull on the Age Footy podcast.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Does that bring us to more broadly though, yes it does.
But I thought more broadly after thirty two tackles the
week before this was a Hawthorne team that came out
with a bit of grit about them, yep, and a
bit of resolve and it was a troubling result for
the Bulldogs in the same breath, and I thought Darcy
comes back in hopefully as soon as the next match,
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and they can't. That can't happen quickly enough because they've
just dropped out of the eight. And I think I
still think they're a Premiership contender with him back in
the team and things clicking for them, But this that
was troubling, troubling loss for them. Yeah, Bailey Smith, the
fireside chat with Bill's is what you were getting to Yep, yeah,
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it was. It was initially reported or not even reported,
I think aline A subheadline was was added that he
kept Albanezy waiting, which wasn't true. He didn't do that.
He was back at the AFL by five point thirty
and at the game on time and was never expected
to be meeting alban easy but he well, not hosting
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alban EZI sorry he did dumb. He was expected to
drop in a meet with him. But yeah, I think
I don't know what your take on it was, but
he went down. It seems to be part of this
determination to try and personalize a bit more of the
connection between the headquarters and clubs and players. And he
knows his dad Nick from Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
But don't underplay how worried they are about his behavior
and how concerned some people at Geelong are. What did
Patrick Dangerfield say on the weekend? He colors outside the lines, well,
most people color inside well. He made one of those
classic Patrick Dangerfield comments. I don't. I think everyone's been
very diplomatic about Bally Smith and he's playing some wonderful footing.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
That was their motivation is to say, do you fully
understand how important football is here? But also how important
you are the football and the game, And that's you
don't go racing down the coast for player thirty two
at the Tigers at the moment, you're just he's one
of the best players in the competition. And the AFL
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leader needed to make that.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
What about the old fashioned view that the mountain Mohammad
should have gone to the mountain and not the other
way around.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I think in the simpler sense, what's the most comfortable environment,
Let's go down and actually is it hauling him before
you know that? It's a very different feel if you
tell the player come up and see us at the
AFL headquarters and walk in like you know, the naughty boy,
or you go down and have a more relaxed conversation
at his place. I have no problem with that. I
think it was smarter.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Because there are ways of communicating with people like Lally Smith,
and he doesn't take feedback particularly well if it's delivered.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
The wrong way.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I thought it was really clever to go down there.
I think it was really smart because the dynamic looks
like he's going to Bailey Smith and that Bailey Smith's
in the power, in the position of power in this dealing,
when in fact, I would put together reverse is true
that Andrew Dylon is by going to see Bailey Smith's
gaining some something.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
That Steve Hawking, Chris Scott, she would have loved to
have been a fly on the wall the way they
chose there on the.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Tree would have got some subtitles.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I reckon in the fireplace.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I just hope that the game doesn't ostracize itself from Bailey.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
That's well, that was the point they was trying to make.
We just keep punishing players like him, like Willie with
just fining and finding, you know, he's flipping the bird,
and we do all of that, and we just keep
you know, getting into them that that sort of punitive
measures not really working to change his behaviors.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
But don't think flipping the birds issue with Bailey that
they can.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
But it's the issue of just constant penal and let's
just take a penalty first approach to handling someone. I
don't think that was what they think. I think it's
what they want to get away for.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Is there a double standard at hearty where the AFL,
which came up with the Ken Hinckley suspension. With the
AFL wants these players or individuals or conflicts that draw
an audience and interest, and social media makes this even
bigger with Bailey. Bailey's the first player to be the
biggest figure in the game based on social not on media.
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It's the first time that's happened in the history of
the code. Right, So he's a new number one player
in a team in the in the sort of new
media setup.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
In fact, you wrote that column almost four years ago
in Grand follow a Weekending Earth.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
At Baslinker at Baslinka at Baslinka. So he's he's got
a different place in the game to anyone else. And
if people want, one of the reasons he has all
these followers and he has all this interest is because
he's edgy and because he's pushing the boundaries. So on
one hand, you want to bring him into line. On
the hand, your profiting essentially from.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
His and because of the way. Yeah, I said to
her a couple of blokes when we went to Geelong
that day for that preseason catch up, Remember he was
wondering and he made some smart remark to me, you know,
Carol will be bagging me or something, and I said, oh,
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he was wondering about with his shirt. Often these two
very good former players said if I look like that,
I would never.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Would never wear it. I would never wear like that
line in Date Night Steve Carrell film when he walked
into Wilbert Wahlberg, also without a shirt.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
To get for the love of Don. The point that
I was trying to raise was, you know, there's been
some interviews that he's given on seven about some of
the work that he's had to had to do and
you know, like playing video games so he stays away
from alcohol that sort of stuff. And then I don't
know if you guys listened in full to the podcast
he did recently speaking about about his mental health battle
about his demons, and I was I've got emotional listening
(44:59):
to that. I thought you poor poor bloke, like going
for all that. Now, there's stuff that will be out
of his control, and there's stuff that will be self
inflicted wounds. But I just think that, you know, listening
to someone talk about his health battles like that, football
is clearly such an important vehicle for his happiness. So
(45:23):
I just hope that I hope that the game and
I hope that Bailey have each other for a long time.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah, and so okay, that's the only point. Everyone's advocate
Mary white House for one moment. There are hundreds of
thousands of fifteen year olds who adore him, and some
of those will now equate winning a premiership going out
and getting on the gear.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
And that's not cool.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
And I just don't I don't think that, and I
know people would go to you know, you're a hundred.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
And mental health shouldn't be used as an excuse for
that at all. I'm separating it from that that behavior
is incorrect and he should be punished for it. I'm
just saying separately to that as a human being, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Talking about the suspension or talking about the comments that
were on Instagram. On Instagram, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Maybe they do. Maybe they also just think he was
having fun. I think that brought the other element to
the meeting between Dylan and him was also I think
it can't be disconnected from the Willy reoal. I think
I think because that was that was part of that
motivation with Willy. I mean, talking to someone at the AFL,
they said Willie would have received more fines for off
(46:22):
field stuff than any other player by the length of
the strait in the last five or th years. And
just you've got a player of limited education. They were
trying to manage him. Now they bugget it up. They
misread the room. They should he deserved the penalty in
the first instance, but their intent was good. In as
much as do we want to just keep do we
want to drive this guy out of the game, we
(46:43):
need to manage players a little bit differently when they
are off field incidents. I know you've spoken about this
joke about how the AFL gets into difficulties where on
the field we have this this matrix of you know,
your algorithm to come up with a what a penalty
will be, and we don't have that for off field.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
But because there's more nance, not only do we not
have that, which maybe we can't they don't have even principles.
I'm not talking about you have to have set penalties.
I'm talking about you have to have a guiding philosophy.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
They don't even have that, and they haven't for years.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
And I just at one moment of cynicism, one will apparently,
you know, it's good for him to go out and
spend the day fishing. But do you think that even
though he's not an old zav and it was it
was a bit longer to travel that it might have
been maybe someone at the AFL should have thought about
paying Willy Rioli a visit and talking to him about
(47:38):
his troubles. And maybe they did. But I'm just you know,
I would hope that it's.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
A busy parting company with the with the inclusion department.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
I'm not sure hasn't need to do it.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Come on, their mates, Dylan and Bailismith's father know each other.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
And I'm not sure that is a connection.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
We'll take a break there, come back with quick questions.
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Speaker 4 (48:16):
Miller might make it work. McCrae Ford Handball two, Wanganeen
Miller are off a step.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
That is perfect.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Welcome back and we go straight into quick questions. One
for you, Caro, where do you think Wanganeen Malira will
play next year?
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Well, I should say you know, I reported on Channel
seven that he not on a nine program. You shouldn't
his camp. His camp is reluctant for him to go
to the Adelaide Football Club and that some Kildare and
Port Adelaide are aware of that because he still has
some issues and so to many in the South Australian
Indigenous community. With Taylor Walker, Adelaide deny this. Ben Williams's
(48:56):
manager denies this. They feel they are very much still
in the game Adelaide. My view is that Port Adelaide
are ahead. But my stronger view is that we spoke
earlier in the show about deconing Sinkilda have to prioritize Desiah.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
It's just just doesn't just quickly. Hasn't gonna malaria, hasn't
a sigh. It's been on the record. I think with
AFL dot com saying that he wants to stay, no.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
He's saying no, not quite. He's talked about he's really
happy at sin Kilda. I think it's a worry for
sin Kilda and they're worried too that he hasn't signed yet,
because you would think he would have by now. He
certainly is very fond of ross Lyon. He's had a
lot of support and sin Kilda have a very good
record Rosslyne does with indigenous players. But I think there
(49:39):
are elements of Melbourne he really doesn't enjoy it. So
let's see. But I think it's just too too hard
to call. But Sinkilda can keep him if they match.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
You're saying that Adelaider out though, that is my view.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Adelaide vehemently deny it, which is.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
No surprise really the management you want him.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
You want to your leverage on an Overridge.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Wellso if you're looking at it in a football sense,
you'd say go to Adelaide and Adelaide.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Looking he's been talking to both Adelaide and Port Adelaide
over the last couple of weeks and every offer is
on the table right, And the view is it's not
about mone It's actually a.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
Great point in please wise, right.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Adelaide Adelaide would be the best place to a flag.
But those things can change, yeah they can.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Well if you Sam is the absence of Joe Dan
Herb Brisbane been underestimated for how they're traveling this year.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
No, I don't think so, because I think when he
retired with a year left on his contract, we were
all well aware of how good a player he was,
and you know if he'd been part of any forward
line that they would miss him. Because key forwards who
kicked fifty goals in a season that can pinch it
in the ruck don't grow on trues. We know that.
So I think Brisbane has done a marvelous job without him,
(50:48):
quite frankly, but I don't think it's been underestimated, and.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Given that we've mentioned it virtually every week, we haven't
underestimated it. Jake, should the Bulldogs persist with Aaron Norton
as a forward bearing Mam? We know Luke Beverage almost certainly,
but what's your view on where Norton should be played.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
I think they should trial him behind the ball strongly,
But I believe that for a long time and give
it three weeks and see how he goes, because I
think he's just not playing well. He's had a few injuries,
but he's not playing well. And with Darcy there there's
a great opportunity to do it. I've never been convinced
by Rory Lobb.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
No, but he's he's having some of the best in
some of the best form of his career, which is
not a huge statement, but he's His ability to go
forward the other night did have an impact in getting
the Bulldogs back into that concept.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
So beverages Adam and he won't though, No, that's.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Right, But I think that point I made as well
as when you see Sicily the versatility and the impact
not so much obviously this year in the way he's gone,
but having that player that can if you have Lob
and Norton freely able to flip ends depending on the
circumstances and the need, I think that only adds to
the to the team, not not diminishes it. Anyway, that's
(51:57):
all we've got time for this week. Thanks to all three, Caro,
Jac and Sam for joining us. Thanks also to Channel
seven and Fox Footy for the audio we've used in
this episode. If you'd like to get in touch, you
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