June 16, 2025 • 41 mins
Key forwards cashing in, the Bulldogs lurk menacingly outside the eight and conspiracy theories about the AFL fixture. All these matters are on the table in this week's episode of the Real Footy podcast. Plus, Michael Gleeson, Jake Niall and Caroline Wilson ask, was the Hawthorn v Adelaide match in Launceston engrossing or a snoozefest, and what has Melbourne learned from their past experience with long-term contracts?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Real Footy podcast Coming up. Hawks surge
Lake to win a low scoring arm wrestle in Chilly Loncestern.
Sam Darcy doesn't skip a beat on his return from injury,
and the Cats make their move, climbing into the top two.
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That's strolling in on the wing, Powell on the boot
or the old kicktile forward.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Cock's not to dance suiting a chance she's on now
that left boot kick goes seed.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Dead to.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
The want to say they're going for the Doggers, I'd
be look at the review mirror.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Now it's all here.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
That's not what he bet to know, but they'll take it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
These dolls are and it puts on a head for
the first.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Time in the nights.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
A lot of time to hit the front.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
We're terresting him.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Kennedy big play, Richards stoops around, the Darzi minds blurry through,
Kevin Dy gets the freak in, Darcy wanders in and
for Dogs fans, Christmas comes in June.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Hello, I'm welcome. My name is Michael Gleason and joining
me today Jack and Caroline Wilson. Welcome to you both.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Hello Michael, Hello Jake.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
What a blockbuster around a footy wasn't it just well
the greats, there were some pretty ordinary games, terrible and
you know, not least the woeful performance, particularly in the
first quarter of West Coast, you know, to go more recent,
I mean, they were just deplorable.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, and I don't think you can say much about Carlton.
You can't really count what Carlton did until we see
them a few more times. But the highlight, and we've
just listened to Sam Darcy, was the big forwards, Glease.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Big forwards, big big impact. The one that stood out
for me was Cadman. I thought that Cadman's game five
goss thirteen marks, jumped on the shoulder of Hipwood, you know,
and so it was not just kicking five goals, not
even just taking the thirteen marks, but doing it against
the reigning premiere and having that impact up at the Gabba.
I thought that was a really asterisk performance.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Asterixk Jack Payne down went down and Harris Andrews couldn't
cover both Hogan who Yeah, well they had five contested
marks each, the ten contested marks between the two key
forwards and kicked six and five. Great performance. But I
think that that injury did play a role a part
in what Cabin was able to do. But from the
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Giants point of view, well, he was a number one
pick for a reason.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, Darcy, I mean Cadmas was the breakout performance, but
Darsis was the one where you go, this is the
combination of Bonton, Pelli and Darcy that they've barely had
all year. You know, he comes back now. I think
they'd had it for about a quarter prior to that.
This is why the Bulldogs can win the flag. Him
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back in the team and them staying fit like that.
They can beat anyone, but they will be the side
that that you'd least like to play.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I think they just need to get into the eight first.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, yeah, I mean just wouldn't be just extraordinary if
they didn't make the eight with that, with.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That list and some of the performances, with some of
the good performances. But quite seriously, in a week where
Nick Revolt was finally inducted into the Hall of Fame,
I mean he was actually inducted two years ago, but
he accepted it. This ye exits back in the country
and Leegh Matthews said on three a W on Saturday,
in this day and age, you would pay more for
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the great defender, or go more for the great defender
than the big forward. And then you know, straight after
he virtually said that you had Hogan kicking six Cameron
Jeremy Cameron, albeit against a vfl Essendon team, but still
you know, kicking six goals and to see two guys
from GWS Morris kicked a bag too.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
For Brisbane and Jesse Hogan. And then you had Georgia
Arties as well.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
For exactly who looked like he had the yips one
minute and then ended up with seven.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well Stephen May helped him with a couple of them
with some stupid fifty minutes undisciplined again.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeap, really that that was a real disappointment for mine.
But I mean that was a highlight because there were
some low scoring games. I disagreed with Lethal about the
Tazzy game. I actually found it engrossing, but I felt
cold watching it. Jacob, you know that was it and
I was hitting by the fire.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I spoke to a Hawthorne supporter who the next morning,
who is a fanatic, who I bumped into, and he said,
I fell asleep. Well, I thought in that game it
was a horrible spectacle. Other than the close scores because
there was so much congestion, so few clean disposals relative
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to most.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Games, and all those miss goals, and.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
There was about an hour when no one scored. It
was about I don't know how long it was. How
along were those two teams on four goals?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It was adelaide. It should have been five goals up
at halftime probably and Hawthorne were really lucky that they
weren't five goals behind. Sam Mitchell, who is a risk taker.
Let's just changed everything and that was an important win
for them.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Pretty lucky with Constant's throat. And you can for the
last goal too, you scooped it straight up to him.
That was Hamble.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Was important win for the AFL two or those who
want a roof stadium.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Would you agree, well, it was part It was a
good bit of lobbying.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
On the one hand, you had fifteen thousand turn up
on a freezing night in lon Seston. Oh, it was
an unbelievable crowd. I thought unbelievable. Five thousand lessons and
killed and managed under a roof against the Western Bulldogs
in an all Victorian game the night the night before.
Yet but I just thought that it was so obvious
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to me that you know, and I think Luke Hodge
said this radio, you're not going to get players, Well,
you're not going to retain players in the way that
you want to unless you're playing more comfortable.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So I think it's more than that. I think it's
also what they're really wanting to be able to say
is when when the big clubs are all when everyone
has to go and play down there, what they want
as a team and as a state is for all
of the fans of all of those teams to fly
down there and stay there. And if you're looking at
it and thinking it's a night game, it's going to
be freezing and wet or whatever, that you've got to
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make it more attractive than just the food. If the
footy is going to be ugly because it's under it,
there's no roof and it's dewey and slippery in it,
you're not going to want to see it. You're also
not going to want to sit in it. So if
if you've got the roof, it just makes it a track down. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
The conspiracy theory is that this was fixtured. They fixtured
these games deliberately. Who's on the graphy Knoll and who's
a line gunment, just has just random what happened. I'm
a line gunment. I don't put down to a conspiracy
what could be explained by poor fixturing by the AFL.
They just do that.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Hawthorne Adelaide is a on a Friday night is a
good Friday night game.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I mean there've been something in that weather in winter
of winter.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yes, no, I hear you, I definitely hear you. And
we know it was going to we know it's going
to be freezing. Didn't they do it? No? Look, you know,
I'm a big believer in the stadium, in the stadium
in inverted commerce, as Martin Flanigan wrote, I'm a huge
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believer in it. I think the game needs a stadium
in Hobart for it to really work, and I believe
it will happen. And it certainly helped the argument, Jake,
let's just leave it there.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well a Thursday, was that intentional? Hero?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well? Yeah, I just don't think we can ever know?
Can we?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Are they smart enough to think that?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I don't think so. I'm with the loan gunment, the
not the.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
But quite seriously, where where do you see Hawthorne at?
Because it was a game they needed to win. Where
they now they sort of fifth or something, aren't.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
They there will day away from being a contender. They're
just shy of contention. Adelaide a bit better than Hawthorne
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Sam Mitchell said it was their best win of the year.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I think that's true. True.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
They hadn't been beating top eight sides and so this
was the top four side and they you know, they win,
that's that they give.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
They normally do it.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
They always win a lawn system.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well, they had been eleven straight at night, but you
play it was interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It was interesting too, Caroh. The premiere, Jeremy Rockcliffe went
to the President's function and spoke and did not talk
about the Hobart Stadium at all. He talked only about
Hawthorne and Hawthorn's in print and impact on Tasmania and
how positive it was in lon Seston. I think he
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was speaking to the gallery which was a lon Cester
Northern Tasmania. He's trying to.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Win an election, let's face it.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
But he wasn't talking about the Hope. It was quite
notable that he did not talk about it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And what do you think about Hawthorne politically because Brendan
Gail has said after this current deal, which ends for
Hawthorne at the end of twenty twenty seven, he doesn't
want them playing home games there once the Tazzy team
is in and the AFL have got an open mind
about that and Hawthorne we think definitely want to keep
at least two home games.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Hawthorne would take as many from what I'm told, they'd
take as many as they could get. Of course, what
do you think one would be against the Devils, which
would be fascinating? Yeah, well, I don't think I don't
think it should be ruled out.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But is the money there for it? Like why would
Tasy be stumping up money for them to play there.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I don't know if they'd be getting the money they're
getting now, but they're very keen. They think they're going
to have the backing to do it. The AFL, I
think like the idea of at least one against the Devils.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You're right, I think they should play a game against
the Devils in Lone and Lonnie. Definitely. I think that
would be I think it would actually create a big
event in the state. I think one thing we're learning
about fixturing there's all sorts of inequities. Alister Clarkson talking
about the difference with Colin would have he bumped into
Scott Pendlebury and there was this It was a really
interesting comment from clark O about but norf who sold
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these games? I think creating it.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Hello, yeah, we can't expect to get what Colin would get. Well,
so topic the.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Bleeding or them.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Also, we've sold games to two different states and we
can complain that we've got to travel. You've sold them.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Mate, mind you, I'm giving it a tick. I'm giving
I know I didn't like it. No, I know you
didn't like it. I read your column and you made
you made a good argument. But they wouldn't have I
doubt the results would have been any different at Marvel
one one and a fighting loss, you know, an honorable
loss against a team that has top eight aspirations. In
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fact is in the age. I thought they.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Lost by a goal to Freemantle in Perth as opposed
to playing them at home in Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Would have been the same in Melbourne. No, I disagree.
I think they need the money. They've made two and
a half million dollars. That is a lot of money
for a club who never gets free to wear games.
I think it's a win for North for three years.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Got the chocolate and the Bunbury Bunfight, Yeah, which was
again I'm not sure like some talk back on this
on maybe what was the worst game that the Bunbury
game or the or the Hobart game, which a lot
of people defended the Hobart game.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Well, the Bunbury game is worse because it was perfect conditions.
Tasy had terrible conditions and they just couldn't lift the
game because of that. But Bumbury was in beautiful Barmi.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
For a world class elite competition. There've been some very
ordinary games and there've been some old owned goals by
the AFL. I mean the Bulldog's Port Adelaide game that
was played in Ballarat in a stadium that basically was
a construction site, and they admitted their mistake by moving
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the next home game at Mars Stadium this year. I
think they've they've made some ordinary decisions. I mean, that
was just that was not AFL standard.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
How did you feel when the tiers are selling games
the cans.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
A lot better before than before. Carmichael Hunt kicked that
goal after the siren but I remember.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Carmichael Hunt did that was positive for the gold coach.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It was basically a bad egg for most of the time,
but that was that was pretty impressive and Gary Ablett
giving him some instruction on how to kick it. Now, look,
that wasn't Brendan Gales. Probably he'd probably say that was
his lowest moment as CEO of Richmond. But you know,
they did it. They learned from their mistakes, they needed
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the money, they were broke, they were broken. Then they
made a lot of money out of it and they
came back and you know, had over one hundred thousand members,
the first club to do.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So it's still different when you're selling games. So you're
selling games that for North they're selling games there and
the Tazzy and they're selling games that you know, if
you're going to play Ballarat or cans, that's you're not
playing with someone else's home ground. But to sell a
game to them.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I understand that that's ridiculous, and it's yeah, but you know,
and then there's sort of that there's some North Melbourne
sort of connections over there, and you know, Danny Ladley
got involved.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Speaking to people who are out the game, speaking to
people who are actually at the game. The Bunbury game. One
interesting point that's been lost is that the majority of
the crowd were North Melbourne people who are there telling
me this was really surprising. They've got a fan. One
thing in defense of this whole enterprise is North's best
support base outside of Victoria is clearly is.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
In w A. And they've had so many greats from
w A, from Ross Glendinning down. The Crackers come and
come and play. So but I think you're being a
bit cynical. They had making the eight anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, yeah this year, but this is a three year deal.
So next year they go back there, they get they're
sitting on third bottom at the moment, they're looking like
a team that should be ready to take a step.
And so next year they go take a look to
take that step. You're almost well, you're not conceding a
game that it's a lot easier to win that game
at home.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Look, now the clubs should be rolling their eyes. I guess, well,
specifically the Western Bulldogs, because it's really gifted potentially Freemantle
and extra win. Freemantle an extra win, but you know,
Freemantle and West Coast needed it. Sort of worked for everyone,
didn't it. They were begging for less travel and they've
got it. North Melbourne were begging for more money and
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more exposure.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Well, it's an interesting debate about how much the AFL
should fund these gaps in revenue. Where sine killdas so
ross Lyon said, did he not say good teams good
clubs don't sell games? Well yes, but also good clubs
don't sink kill a football club have had seventeen million
dollars more than more than North Melbourne Bulldogs, et cetera
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over a ten year period, which is not acceptable. So
that's not that's is that a good club.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
No, good clubs don't. Other clubs since kild who have
been doing a lot of that this year.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It's all.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's part of a wider sort of philosophy. But doesn't
doesn't lose. Well, they're running out of particularly when they're
getting thrashed on a Thursday night and drawing twenty thousand people.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Well they don't if the players, I mean I would
have thought.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
They they don't have the supporters at the moment. Supporters
aren't turning.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Up, right, We'll take a break there, come back and
talk about causey pickets long nine year contract, Angelong belting accident.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
We're online all the time. Just search age Real Footy
on Facebook or Twitter.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
The balls following Bergman or Bergman's following it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
One of the two we gave it to Picket, worst
possible guy to give it to outside of the boot
was bizarre and beautiful. How's the wow factor of that?
You know you're running hot Bucks when you've.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Just signed the big contract in the our position.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Of kicking it to you.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Welcome back Jake last week. Because he Picket signs a
nine year contract redoing two of the years extended out
twelve million dollars, it's it locks him in. Put it
that way to make of it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I've always got reservations about deals of that time for
anything other than top five, top ten AFL players, and
there's been a lot of these now, so I mean
it's becoming standard in the industry, so this is not
But Melbourne have been down this road with Christian Petrarca
and they went down this road with Clayton Oliver. The
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Clayton Oliva deal is and they had an opportunity to
trade Clayton Oliver to Geelong and Clayton wanted to go
and they chose because of this, I think the optics
of it and the way it looked to their fans
and the way it looked even within the club, they
chose not to which I think was they.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Would have got the money out, but they still felt
they didn't weren't going to get a good enough Yeah.
I think it was.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Decision they will live to regret.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
The Oliver one, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yes, and this one though, I mean he's very popular.
He has turned their season around.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
He absolutely has. But nine years yeah, well, the long
contract actually helped them keep Petrarca when he would have
otherwise gone. So there's that again. And they have had
the exposure of it though, And this is the really
dangerous the one that signals the danger for them is
the Grundy one. They saw what Collingwood did, and then
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Collingwood had to trade Grundy out. They were recipping it
of it in that they Collinwood swallowed some of the money,
didn't get the same sort of draft pick in a
trade that they would otherwise have got, and then when
that didn't work, they traded him on themselves. So yes,
it gives them certainty if pick it was to go
back home and it does give them the length of contract.
Some clubs will say, yeah, it allows you to actually
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juggle the money around quite quite a bit through the
because you got so many years, you can front and
backload and they will have gone and may leaving.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And is it like Buddies where it doesn't go up
with any new cdo I don't think it does. I
don't think it's flat. But what are the people saying.
They're quoting one point two, one point three? Yeah, whatever,
I mean. So you don't begrudge him the money because
it's that good a player, well, the length.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Other than the fact that he's a small forward. Now
he's been playing more midfield and that makes him more valuable.
He's been a disruptor in the midfield. I think this
year since he's come back in he's been a disrupted
in a good way, that sort of disruptive to the opposition.
That makes him more valuable than just being a small forward.
But it is top dollar for a small forward then
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midfielder than the other way around.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Look, they're bold Melbourne. I mean they've had it feels
two years longer than what I would feel comfortable with.
I'm not There's two issues. As a quantitum of money.
And there's the length. Is Cosey pick it a top
twenty AFL player, If he's a top twenty, I think
you have to be around that mark to get that
sort of contract.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I wonder who had to say, I mean, you've got.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
The board that is a rule.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
This is a big think a longer, longer term. But
the president elect is overseas, so would it have been
run past him? The CEO hasn't started yet full time.
Would it have been run past him?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
One hundredh not not Paul Gerra.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
But definitely Stephen Smith.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Definitely Stephen Smith. And David Chippendale sits he's the acting CEO,
sits on the List Management Committee. He came out of
list maagement, so he's definitely ticked it off.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
So the AFL requires the Board in these because of
their apprehension about and the risk involved with long term contracts.
Because another factor of all of this is that Melbourne's
also confronted is that is the bracial thing and that
you're you're exposure to players with contracts, not the pick
it is in in a concussion situation now, but you
don't know what you don't know going ahead with injuries
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and certainly with more players being can cast out of
the game.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Can I just throw in another player who was back
at the Western Bulldogs on Monday morning and reportedly spoke
to his teammates apologizing for his behavior in Jamara jugil
Hagen yep. Are you touch of cynicism?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Well, he's apologized before, and you just wait to see
that the behavior changes, because it hasn't before.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I'm just interested in you to trade experts. What you
think will happen there and what should happen.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Well, I think would be traded and likely the front.
The only club that has been really strongly linked him
is the Swans yep. So I take that. I have
not heavily investigated where he's going to end up, but
I would be surprised. I don't think he should be
at the Bulldogs.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I think better certainly won't be at the Bulldogs.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Bulldogs are talking. I think that Bulldogs are talking a
game of h we want to turn him around, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I think they're saying all the right things to keep,
you know, value value in him and promote value in him.
But I think he's got I think he's in about
eight fifty this year and next year, so his contract
to you know, they'll get that money off the books.
They won't get much in a trade since I don't think,
don't you no.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
No, even even given his wage, well.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Given the quality of the player, take them he's only
got one year to go. You take that money off
their books for them. What is what if if they
want him out and there really is ending up only
one club that he could go to. I think that
it's not going to be a really high draft pick
for him.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
If he wants to get a decent contract at any
club in the Swan's they might be interested. Now, who
knows in three months time, right, these things are.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Not after he's maybe got some VFL games.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, potentially he has to show everyone that he is
desperate to be a very good AFL player and show
that at the Bulldogs. So the Bulldogs are a vested
interesting getting Hm up and running to get a secure
a decent deal. And jugil Hagen obviously has a massivest
interest in showing that he's recovering, you know, in terms
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of his of his of his issues.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It's just interesting, Jake. I mean two months ago, I
would have when I was looking at some of the
social media nonsense. I would have said, I don't know
if I'll ever play again, and so many clubs are
ruling him out. And then I think back to Jesse Hogan,
you know, and you go, well, you think Bailey Smith
probably wasn't quite so openly you know, on the on
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the tear or however you want to describe it, or
troubled or whatever. But he seemed to he obviously had
some issues as well, and now he's, you know, looking
like he could play on a premiership team.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Bailey durw a contract. I'll draw a contrast between Bailey
Smith and Jamaal Barra. Bailey Smith has always been an
unusual character in that he's combined erratic behaviors with an
incredible drive to succeed, and his work ethic is unquestioned
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and peel the skin off his chicken kind of meticulous
devotion in some ways, which you know, play hard, train hard.
We've we've seen these sort of people before in football,
Wayne Carey, you know, all sorts of examples, Jamara. There's
a question mark on the will to succeed and I
think that's what he has to really show. Ever, because
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the one thing that footy clubs put a line through
is competitiveness if your competitive ethos and your desire is
not there.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Well, they also say that the clubs typically also they
back themselves in that in our culture they will be different.
Then you get them into us and we'll turn them
around and they're ay'll be different. And certainly there's a
sense of that from Sydney, you know, the idea that
maybe some of the some of the problems that Jamara
faces are helped by not being in the same environment
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and being in the state and away from the sorts
of friends and associates that are leading him into trouble
as well.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
And the getaway factor is really when you're at Hogan,
what a success that is and what a tribute to
the Giants and to Adam Kingsley and to him and
Jesse Jesse. So Jamara should look at Jesse Hogan like
this is very achievable.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Jason McCartney and Dave Matthews and Toby Green and all
of everyone.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Really he also grew up, I mean, you know, your
late twenties, not still being a bonehead of.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Rows twenty two. So I mean there's got plenty of
time and people say, people pick him up whatever. Well,
the history tells you they always get picked up.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
It's interesting you raise Bailey Smith because right now you're
looking at that game the other night, Bailey Smith and Holmes,
and you just thought, see, there's not many teams that
have got something to be able to combat those two.
The repeat speed, high speed, high repeats. Just the endurance
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and speed is just incredible.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Well that's what that's exactly the language. I was talking
to someone in that field said that Max Holmes is
the prototype of what you want an a for midfield
player to be. Now, not in terms of physiologically, you
want a guy that can run like that. And his mother,
of course, was an Olympic sprinter.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
She coached my son Lee Naylor briefly at school and
you look at the pedigram.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Running fast, running fast.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
He was middle distance. So she was a very good coach,
very impressive person. And I think he might be even
managing this son now. Actually I think he might have
changed management. But anyway, he's tied to Geelong for a
long time, so it's probably irrelevant. But again we've got
to put the cave it on. Essendon were completely undermanned
and there was no real opposition. Let's face it.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm not talking about it. I'm just looking at.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
The one two combo.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, it's the way they ran and going from deep
in defense the full length of the ground and linking
and it was it was sort of the entertainment to
watch within the game because it was it was a
bit of you know, Witch's hats for the match, in
large part because he's just so young and inexperienced and
(26:18):
butchers of the ball.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I'd heard that Dermot Burton one of the subplots of
this game, that his son in law archer May, was
that he was at the going to be at the
present function. Someone was going to give him steps on,
going to give him an Essendon scarf.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
And I don't know whether I think you know, he
was there and I think he was in the I
think he was in the rooms.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Did he put it, did he put it on?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I don't know. History doesn't report, but he was definitely there,
dressed in black. Definitely there.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I get through the whole group of them.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
They've got another Thursday night game against Fremantle. I mean
some of these Thursday.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Night absolute blockbuster that is.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I mean, I know the AFL put a line through
Richmond and Melbourne actually, I think for Thursday Friday night
games when they did the second half of the year
with the view that Richmond had had some pretty competitive games,
but the young players were going to tie around and
they'd be no good, which is probably correct, but surely
they would have had that view about Essendon as well.
(27:19):
I mean, I guess Essendon, we're still in the initial
part of the fixed you aren't we. I think they
do it up until around fifteen.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
This is the kind of phantom of Essendon being half
decent when they're really a bottom what are they bottom?
Certainly bottom eight, probably to bottom seat by the top
of the bottom six.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean at the moment they're sitting. Just
they've dropped now because they actually were in the eighth
for quite longer than you would have thought given the
injuries and the person on they had out there, that
we're now seeing the latter position better reflect.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, but they are decimated. Yeah yeah, and I haven't
been unhappy within this Ye. It's funny how they don't
get they don't get. The game against b they copped
some criticism, but this game there's been none because everyone
just looked at the two James and said, well, what
do you expect will.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Do you question all the soft tis Hue injuries though,
because it does seem to be disproportionate. It's you know,
and I asked Brad Scott about it earlier this year.
I said, is there something about the surface that the
hang up? Which he didn't take all that well, but
there's a lot of soft Tishue injuries.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
The one I questioned is not them, it's Carlton and
yet again, so they blitz West Coast in the first quarter,
it still manage what two goals for the second half?
Like this is just yet again Carlton second half of
a game. They have to be a good six goals
up at half time to be any hope of guarantee
or any guarantee of being able to hang on and
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win a game.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
They'd never look like losing that game.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
But what they were supposed to go and have this
deep dive during their buy and work out, you know
what has been wrong? What have we been doing wrong?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You know?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Where do we go with is with a bit of
time off to really sort of pick apart and look
under the hood as they say about and it was
the same again. It was just Carlton fading and flagging
and I don't know whether it's fitness. You would certainly
think so.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But they beat North Melbourne this week and you think
they probably will or if.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
The good don't make the finals, which I don't think
they will. No that this is the second year in
a row where they've had a very advantageous fixture carrow
where they've gotten this year they got North and West
Coast or no is it Richmond at two of the
bottom three twice.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
North and West Coast.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
North and West Coast and they lost to Richmond likes it's.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Not after being forty two points.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Last year they got into eighth. They got to eighth
spot and playing two of the bottom three twice, they
lost to Collingwood twice. Collingwood finished ninth. We played none
of those teams twice. Now it's sort of there was
some flattery of that eighth position last year. I reckon
and I think.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I'm going to come off a flag that didn't really flag.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Well, it's interesting with Brisbane. I mean it's probably for
we'll get to that later, but whether they where the
team wins the premiership, but they are a little bit conditional, Well, can.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
We quickly get to Brisbane because Brisbane g w WES
was the game of the round and no one, no,
I don't think I think one person of the age
tipsters picked g w S No. But it was it
was an extraordinary it was a great game.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
It was pretty much what happened last year.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
The loss of Pain, Yeah, I think really significant. It is,
isn't it to not have Joe Dan Dan to her
all pain now?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So he's going to play, but yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Thing is, even if they put hip would back and
he makes a fist of it so to speak, they've lost.
They've lost Dan to her, so that hip would a
bigger loss in the forward line for structure.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Bob Murphy was the only person.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Who tipped ever eclectic Bob.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Sorry, just just chasing, he's chasing. Just thought i'd put
that one in. But g W seven now, so they've
had a great win over Collingwood, haven't.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
They, Geelong, Glo and.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Brisbane, and yet they're on the edge of.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
The eight and yet they lost. They lose to Port
Adelaide in Canberra. I mean, how does that happen? You know,
you just sort of a.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Lot of things happen in Cambra. They are an explicable Cara, Well.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Not gws can usually be pretty much relied relied on
to win.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
In Canberra, they had that period and there they just
but now they feel like they've they've got it back,
you know, they've got their form back. This is without
Toby too, so you know, as much as yes, Garden
was an in pain, was an in game injury, which
makes it harder to cover.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
But it's just as a broad point, please, there's some
teams at the bottom part of the eight. If you
look at the Bulldogs and Gas do you want to
play these teams if you're Jawn or Collingwood or you know,
or the Crows if they make the top four, which
I think they still can. Some of those lower sides
are not really lower, are they? If they get in.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
That's what I was saying earlier, Like the Bulldogs are
sitting ninth, but they're the team i'd at least like
to face. I think in the if I'm if I'm Geelong, Collingwood, Adelaide,
that top four would be looking at that and going, can.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
The Giants still push in? Can to the Giants or
the Bulldogs still make the top four? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Well, yeah, you'll know a lot more this Sunday because
the Giants have got Gold Coast at home. I don't
fancy the crowd, it'll be a disaster, but I do
fancy the game, and that's at at home and she
Stadium in Western Sydney. So if they can, if they
can beat the Gold Coast, that that takes them to
(32:52):
what nine? Are they eight and six at the moment?
That takes them to nine and six?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah? Yeah, six when you look at the strap sure
this sighte having those two key forwards and having Taylor
who might be the best defender in the comp and
Jack Buckley and Ash running off half back on don't
at each end of the ground. They're pretty stacked. It's
just whether that midfield holds up and whether they can
because they've lost depth to the Crows. Those two guys
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going to the Crows, Perryman going to Collingwood. They've just
lost a bit of their their second strength.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
It's interesting the Gold Coast as well as interesting their
opponent this week they lose that they've lost the last two.
That'll be three in a row. I think they've got
Essendon twice because they missed them in that opening round
that's been rescheduled, so they think they've got twice. Yeah,
for the very end of the season, maybe since plays
back by them. But so they've got you'd expect them
all of those two. But they they still only got that.
(33:45):
They're on eight wins. That said, they've bet Essendon both
of those games. Like, is them ten? You still probably
need twelve thirteen to get in. I think they probably will,
but yeah, it's there's still no I mean, it is
a gold case. Have been in this position before.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
But normally normally by now we say the Asia said,
you'd have to say the Bulldog sitting outside the ASI
of the they're the only ones you think we'll get in?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, it would be incredible if the Bulldogs weren't in
the eighth with how good they actually.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Are and some of the performances and.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll take a break there, come
back with quick questions.
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Speaker 1 (34:44):
We'll welcome back and straight into quick questions and one
straight off the top on the Common Metal. How many
goals will it take to win the Common Medal? Do
you think this year Jake Cameron's leading with forty four?
Hogan on thirty eight? Hogan won at last year with
seventy seven goals seventies enough.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yep, and it'll be Jeremy Cameron.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
And have you reckoned seventy yep?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Lo seventies?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Well, he's on forty four now, so that's got him
kicking another only counting home and away another thirty yep. Listen, yep.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I think you'll get to eighty because I think it
will be Cameron. They've got They've got about five games
at home at GMHBA to run in for the rest
of the season. I think you'll do well there. We
had the Hall of Fame last week. Who should be
the next former player inducted into the Australian Hall of Fame?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Karen Jeff Raines, Jeff Raines.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
You beat me to it, Carrot. I was going to
say Jeff.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Raynes, but I thought you were going to say someone else.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Jeff Rnes was my first choice and the second choice
is David Cloak. So two X time players who left
their clubs. The story here is if you leave your club,
it hurts you don't get lobbied for by the clubs.
I mean, of course you've got the SA Australians. You've
got to take your place.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Behooks. Yep, seriously too many. I'm going to say it.
I've said Patrick Kane, No, but jeff Ranes go through
when you think that Matthew Richardson are deserved like should
have been in an absolute champion. But jeff Rynes was
a three time Best and Fairest at Richmond, including in
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nineteen eighty a premiership year, two time All Australian, played
over two hundred and fifty games, albeit at four different clubs.
It's a no brainer that he doesn't get into the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I would put two other players sav Roca sixteenth on
the all time goalkicking list, and I think the only
person in the top twenty in the goalkicking list that
isn't in the Hall of Fame again two club player,
not necessarily being lobby Another one Brent Croswell, two club player.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah Croswell. Croswell's a long time ago and he's certainly
a legend dinner as a Maverick character. I'd like to
see just to see what he would speech Beach Peter
out the Hall of Fame last week. Peter Darley from
South Adelaide. I don't know how good a player he was.
I don't know if he belonged in there or not.
(37:12):
I'm skeptical of this South Australian lobby in this area.
Sorry to all those Adelaide people listening, but honestly, if
someone from another nor would player from the eighties gets in, well,
well it was I enjoyed, very funny.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Well he actually mentioned my father, who's in hospital and
who enjoyed the mentioned because Dad and Jack Dyren Graham
Richmond signed up Peter Darley. They're in a pub in
Flemington or something, and Peter Darley told the story that
he only did it to get all the other clubs
off his back, and how good Richmond were they didn't
harass him to come and play.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
The best line on that was Gary Lyne when he said,
you know, I look down, I see burrit it and dance.
I'd love to play with you, and you know I
love to play with you. I'd love to go on
a footy trip.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Jeff Rains is a no brainer for mine.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Okay, move on, Caro. Who will be hurt more by
losing the CEO, Brisbane or Sydney given the two recent
appointments to the aphan.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Look, I think Sydney because Brisbane have got well. They've
both got strong presidents who've been there for a while,
so I don't I think the boards are very solid.
But they've just lost their head of footy Sydney two
years ago, well last year really because Charlie Garner was
doing some work for them in Melbourne, whereas Danny Daley
(38:29):
has been a strong footy lieutenant to Chris Fagan for
a long time. They've got a new coach at Sydney
who's obviously, you know, coming in from you know, coming
in inheriting a broken hearted team really, so I think
for Sydney it's going to be tough and I don't
know how good Sam Graham's going to be, but he's
already been installed, like they've got a clear succession plan.
(38:51):
Sydney are very good at succession plans, but this probably
happened before they were ready.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, definitely Sydney hard to hit in the short Just
one thing on Brisbane and I've mentioned this to people
at the club, Like I think that that the Brisbane lines,
with the success they've had with the Olympic thing coming
in with how good they've been on the field, they
really have to and talking about ten million in the bank,
they really have to get their funding from the AFL down.
(39:19):
I think this is something that never gets attention. They've
been the third most funded club for a long long
time and that part of it is a bit of
a I don't think their financial performance deserves as much
praise as it's gotten said.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
They've got no debt, ten million, ten million in the
bank and rebuild a facility.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yeah, but they've been a huge recipient of AFL fund.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I'll tell you what they do deserve praise for football
and the numbers in Queensland absolutely, which will go past
South Australia we're being told ultimately, which is a great achievement.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Ultimately, this is why there's such an important club for
the code because they have actually changed the code for
the better. They've done a mighty job in that. I'm
just saying the fun Really, it's a little sneaky thing
that hasn't got a lot of attention.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Well, no doubt you've given it attention and you'll continue
to do.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
So.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
We'll finished with a question from Phil from Wollongong, who asks,
we've heard a lot about Melbourne and its culture, to
what extent is Stephen May's behavior towards his teammates a
symptom of the problems at Melbourne. I can't think of
too many other teams that would condone it.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I didn't have as much of a problem with what
happened last weekend. You're talking about the King's Birthday game.
It was poor timing to go and say that to
his captain. Had he not followed it up with giving
away that pivotal fifty penalty a week later, I mean
Melbourne were coming. That was just stupid what he did
Stephen May. And he's a leader and he's one of
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the great defenders in the competition.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
It is that sort of you're going to go up
and have crack at someone for making an error in
a game. A decision wasn't even really a he just
slewed the ball. They were ever going to win from
that point. But with the gorn thing, the gorn thing,
but don't go with this.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
It's just a pity that Melksham didn't run in at that.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
It wasn't he going to have a crack at melch
Did you realize that?
Speaker 1 (41:13):
All right, that is all we've got time for for
this week. Thanks to you both, Carol and Jake for
joining us. Thanks allso out of Channel seven and Fox
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Speaker 1 (01:12):
Hello, I'm welcome. My name is Michael Gleason and joining
me today Jack and Caroline Wilson. Welcome to you both.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Hello Michael, Hello Jake.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
What a blockbuster around a footy wasn't it just well
the greats, there were some pretty ordinary games, terrible and
you know, not least the woeful performance, particularly in the
first quarter of West Coast, you know, to go more recent,
I mean, they were just deplorable.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, and I don't think you can say much about Carlton.
You can't really count what Carlton did until we see
them a few more times. But the highlight, and we've
just listened to Sam Darcy, was the big forwards, Glease.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Big forwards, big big impact. The one that stood out
for me was Cadman. I thought that Cadman's game five
goss thirteen marks, jumped on the shoulder of Hipwood, you know,
and so it was not just kicking five goals, not
even just taking the thirteen marks, but doing it against
the reigning premiere and having that impact up at the Gabba.
I thought that was a really asterisk performance.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Asterixk Jack Payne down went down and Harris Andrews couldn't
cover both Hogan who Yeah, well they had five contested
marks each, the ten contested marks between the two key
forwards and kicked six and five. Great performance. But I
think that that injury did play a role a part
in what Cabin was able to do. But from the
(02:33):
Giants point of view, well, he was a number one
pick for a reason.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, Darcy, I mean Cadmas was the breakout performance, but
Darsis was the one where you go, this is the
combination of Bonton, Pelli and Darcy that they've barely had
all year. You know, he comes back now. I think
they'd had it for about a quarter prior to that.
This is why the Bulldogs can win the flag. Him
(02:57):
back in the team and them staying fit like that.
They can beat anyone, but they will be the side
that that you'd least like to play.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I think they just need to get into the eight first.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, yeah, I mean just wouldn't be just extraordinary if
they didn't make the eight with that, with.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That list and some of the performances, with some of
the good performances. But quite seriously, in a week where
Nick Revolt was finally inducted into the Hall of Fame,
I mean he was actually inducted two years ago, but
he accepted it. This ye exits back in the country
and Leegh Matthews said on three a W on Saturday,
in this day and age, you would pay more for
(03:37):
the great defender, or go more for the great defender
than the big forward. And then you know, straight after
he virtually said that you had Hogan kicking six Cameron
Jeremy Cameron, albeit against a vfl Essendon team, but still
you know, kicking six goals and to see two guys
from GWS Morris kicked a bag too.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
For Brisbane and Jesse Hogan. And then you had Georgia
Arties as well.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
For exactly who looked like he had the yips one
minute and then ended up with seven.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well Stephen May helped him with a couple of them
with some stupid fifty minutes undisciplined again.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeap, really that that was a real disappointment for mine.
But I mean that was a highlight because there were
some low scoring games. I disagreed with Lethal about the
Tazzy game. I actually found it engrossing, but I felt
cold watching it. Jacob, you know that was it and
I was hitting by the fire.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I spoke to a Hawthorne supporter who the next morning,
who is a fanatic, who I bumped into, and he said,
I fell asleep. Well, I thought in that game it
was a horrible spectacle. Other than the close scores because
there was so much congestion, so few clean disposals relative
(04:57):
to most.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Games, and all those miss goals, and.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
There was about an hour when no one scored. It
was about I don't know how long it was. How
along were those two teams on four goals?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It was adelaide. It should have been five goals up
at halftime probably and Hawthorne were really lucky that they
weren't five goals behind. Sam Mitchell, who is a risk taker.
Let's just changed everything and that was an important win
for them.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Pretty lucky with Constant's throat. And you can for the
last goal too, you scooped it straight up to him.
That was Hamble.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Was important win for the AFL two or those who
want a roof stadium.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Would you agree, well, it was part It was a
good bit of lobbying.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
On the one hand, you had fifteen thousand turn up
on a freezing night in lon Seston. Oh, it was
an unbelievable crowd. I thought unbelievable. Five thousand lessons and
killed and managed under a roof against the Western Bulldogs
in an all Victorian game the night the night before.
Yet but I just thought that it was so obvious
(05:57):
to me that you know, and I think Luke Hodge
said this radio, you're not going to get players, Well,
you're not going to retain players in the way that
you want to unless you're playing more comfortable.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So I think it's more than that. I think it's
also what they're really wanting to be able to say
is when when the big clubs are all when everyone
has to go and play down there, what they want
as a team and as a state is for all
of the fans of all of those teams to fly
down there and stay there. And if you're looking at
it and thinking it's a night game, it's going to
be freezing and wet or whatever, that you've got to
(06:30):
make it more attractive than just the food. If the
footy is going to be ugly because it's under it,
there's no roof and it's dewey and slippery in it,
you're not going to want to see it. You're also
not going to want to sit in it. So if
if you've got the roof, it just makes it a track down. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
The conspiracy theory is that this was fixtured. They fixtured
these games deliberately. Who's on the graphy Knoll and who's
a line gunment, just has just random what happened. I'm
a line gunment. I don't put down to a conspiracy
what could be explained by poor fixturing by the AFL.
They just do that.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Hawthorne Adelaide is a on a Friday night is a
good Friday night game.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I mean there've been something in that weather in winter
of winter.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yes, no, I hear you, I definitely hear you. And
we know it was going to we know it's going
to be freezing. Didn't they do it? No? Look, you know,
I'm a big believer in the stadium, in the stadium
in inverted commerce, as Martin Flanigan wrote, I'm a huge
(07:32):
believer in it. I think the game needs a stadium
in Hobart for it to really work, and I believe
it will happen. And it certainly helped the argument, Jake,
let's just leave it there.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well a Thursday, was that intentional? Hero?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well? Yeah, I just don't think we can ever know?
Can we?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Are they smart enough to think that?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I don't think so. I'm with the loan gunment, the
not the.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
But quite seriously, where where do you see Hawthorne at?
Because it was a game they needed to win. Where
they now they sort of fifth or something, aren't.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
They there will day away from being a contender. They're
just shy of contention. Adelaide a bit better than Hawthorne
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Sam Mitchell said it was their best win of the year.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I think that's true. True.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
They hadn't been beating top eight sides and so this
was the top four side and they you know, they win,
that's that they give.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
They normally do it.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
They always win a lawn system.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well, they had been eleven straight at night, but you
play it was interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It was interesting too, Caroh. The premiere, Jeremy Rockcliffe went
to the President's function and spoke and did not talk
about the Hobart Stadium at all. He talked only about
Hawthorne and Hawthorn's in print and impact on Tasmania and
how positive it was in lon Seston. I think he
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was speaking to the gallery which was a lon Cester
Northern Tasmania. He's trying to.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Win an election, let's face it.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
But he wasn't talking about the Hope. It was quite
notable that he did not talk about it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And what do you think about Hawthorne politically because Brendan
Gail has said after this current deal, which ends for
Hawthorne at the end of twenty twenty seven, he doesn't
want them playing home games there once the Tazzy team
is in and the AFL have got an open mind
about that and Hawthorne we think definitely want to keep
at least two home games.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Hawthorne would take as many from what I'm told, they'd
take as many as they could get. Of course, what
do you think one would be against the Devils, which
would be fascinating? Yeah, well, I don't think I don't
think it should be ruled out.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But is the money there for it? Like why would
Tasy be stumping up money for them to play there.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I don't know if they'd be getting the money they're
getting now, but they're very keen. They think they're going
to have the backing to do it. The AFL, I
think like the idea of at least one against the Devils.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You're right, I think they should play a game against
the Devils in Lone and Lonnie. Definitely. I think that
would be I think it would actually create a big
event in the state. I think one thing we're learning
about fixturing there's all sorts of inequities. Alister Clarkson talking
about the difference with Colin would have he bumped into
Scott Pendlebury and there was this It was a really
interesting comment from clark O about but norf who sold
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these games? I think creating it.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Hello, yeah, we can't expect to get what Colin would get. Well,
so topic the.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Bleeding or them.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Also, we've sold games to two different states and we
can complain that we've got to travel. You've sold them.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Mate, mind you, I'm giving it a tick. I'm giving
I know I didn't like it. No, I know you
didn't like it. I read your column and you made
you made a good argument. But they wouldn't have I
doubt the results would have been any different at Marvel
one one and a fighting loss, you know, an honorable
loss against a team that has top eight aspirations. In
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fact is in the age. I thought they.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Lost by a goal to Freemantle in Perth as opposed
to playing them at home in Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Would have been the same in Melbourne. No, I disagree.
I think they need the money. They've made two and
a half million dollars. That is a lot of money
for a club who never gets free to wear games.
I think it's a win for North for three years.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Got the chocolate and the Bunbury Bunfight, Yeah, which was
again I'm not sure like some talk back on this
on maybe what was the worst game that the Bunbury
game or the or the Hobart game, which a lot
of people defended the Hobart game.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Well, the Bunbury game is worse because it was perfect conditions.
Tasy had terrible conditions and they just couldn't lift the
game because of that. But Bumbury was in beautiful Barmi.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
For a world class elite competition. There've been some very
ordinary games and there've been some old owned goals by
the AFL. I mean the Bulldog's Port Adelaide game that
was played in Ballarat in a stadium that basically was
a construction site, and they admitted their mistake by moving
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the next home game at Mars Stadium this year. I
think they've they've made some ordinary decisions. I mean, that
was just that was not AFL standard.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
How did you feel when the tiers are selling games
the cans.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
A lot better before than before. Carmichael Hunt kicked that
goal after the siren but I remember.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Carmichael Hunt did that was positive for the gold coach.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It was basically a bad egg for most of the time,
but that was that was pretty impressive and Gary Ablett
giving him some instruction on how to kick it. Now, look,
that wasn't Brendan Gales. Probably he'd probably say that was
his lowest moment as CEO of Richmond. But you know,
they did it. They learned from their mistakes, they needed
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the money, they were broke, they were broken. Then they
made a lot of money out of it and they
came back and you know, had over one hundred thousand members,
the first club to do.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So it's still different when you're selling games. So you're
selling games that for North they're selling games there and
the Tazzy and they're selling games that you know, if
you're going to play Ballarat or cans, that's you're not
playing with someone else's home ground. But to sell a
game to them.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I understand that that's ridiculous, and it's yeah, but you know,
and then there's sort of that there's some North Melbourne
sort of connections over there, and you know, Danny Ladley
got involved.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Speaking to people who are out the game, speaking to
people who are actually at the game. The Bunbury game. One
interesting point that's been lost is that the majority of
the crowd were North Melbourne people who are there telling
me this was really surprising. They've got a fan. One
thing in defense of this whole enterprise is North's best
support base outside of Victoria is clearly is.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
In w A. And they've had so many greats from
w A, from Ross Glendinning down. The Crackers come and
come and play. So but I think you're being a
bit cynical. They had making the eight anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, yeah this year, but this is a three year deal.
So next year they go back there, they get they're
sitting on third bottom at the moment, they're looking like
a team that should be ready to take a step.
And so next year they go take a look to
take that step. You're almost well, you're not conceding a
game that it's a lot easier to win that game
at home.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Look, now the clubs should be rolling their eyes. I guess, well,
specifically the Western Bulldogs, because it's really gifted potentially Freemantle
and extra win. Freemantle an extra win, but you know,
Freemantle and West Coast needed it. Sort of worked for everyone,
didn't it. They were begging for less travel and they've
got it. North Melbourne were begging for more money and
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more exposure.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Well, it's an interesting debate about how much the AFL
should fund these gaps in revenue. Where sine killdas so
ross Lyon said, did he not say good teams good
clubs don't sell games? Well yes, but also good clubs
don't sink kill a football club have had seventeen million
dollars more than more than North Melbourne Bulldogs, et cetera
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over a ten year period, which is not acceptable. So
that's not that's is that a good club.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
No, good clubs don't. Other clubs since kild who have
been doing a lot of that this year.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It's all.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's part of a wider sort of philosophy. But doesn't
doesn't lose. Well, they're running out of particularly when they're
getting thrashed on a Thursday night and drawing twenty thousand people.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Well they don't if the players, I mean I would
have thought.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
They they don't have the supporters at the moment. Supporters
aren't turning.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Up, right, We'll take a break there, come back and
talk about causey pickets long nine year contract, Angelong belting accident.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
We're online all the time. Just search age Real Footy
on Facebook or Twitter.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
The balls following Bergman or Bergman's following it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
One of the two we gave it to Picket, worst
possible guy to give it to outside of the boot
was bizarre and beautiful. How's the wow factor of that?
You know you're running hot Bucks when you've.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Just signed the big contract in the our position.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Of kicking it to you.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Welcome back Jake last week. Because he Picket signs a
nine year contract redoing two of the years extended out
twelve million dollars, it's it locks him in. Put it
that way to make of it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I've always got reservations about deals of that time for
anything other than top five, top ten AFL players, and
there's been a lot of these now, so I mean
it's becoming standard in the industry, so this is not
But Melbourne have been down this road with Christian Petrarca
and they went down this road with Clayton Oliver. The
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Clayton Oliva deal is and they had an opportunity to
trade Clayton Oliver to Geelong and Clayton wanted to go
and they chose because of this, I think the optics
of it and the way it looked to their fans
and the way it looked even within the club, they
chose not to which I think was they.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Would have got the money out, but they still felt
they didn't weren't going to get a good enough Yeah.
I think it was.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Decision they will live to regret.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
The Oliver one, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yes, and this one though, I mean he's very popular.
He has turned their season around.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
He absolutely has. But nine years yeah, well, the long
contract actually helped them keep Petrarca when he would have
otherwise gone. So there's that again. And they have had
the exposure of it though, And this is the really
dangerous the one that signals the danger for them is
the Grundy one. They saw what Collingwood did, and then
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Collingwood had to trade Grundy out. They were recipping it
of it in that they Collinwood swallowed some of the money,
didn't get the same sort of draft pick in a
trade that they would otherwise have got, and then when
that didn't work, they traded him on themselves. So yes,
it gives them certainty if pick it was to go
back home and it does give them the length of contract.
Some clubs will say, yeah, it allows you to actually
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juggle the money around quite quite a bit through the
because you got so many years, you can front and
backload and they will have gone and may leaving.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And is it like Buddies where it doesn't go up
with any new cdo I don't think it does. I
don't think it's flat. But what are the people saying.
They're quoting one point two, one point three? Yeah, whatever,
I mean. So you don't begrudge him the money because
it's that good a player, well, the length.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Other than the fact that he's a small forward. Now
he's been playing more midfield and that makes him more valuable.
He's been a disruptor in the midfield. I think this
year since he's come back in he's been a disrupted
in a good way, that sort of disruptive to the opposition.
That makes him more valuable than just being a small forward.
But it is top dollar for a small forward then
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midfielder than the other way around.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Look, they're bold Melbourne. I mean they've had it feels
two years longer than what I would feel comfortable with.
I'm not There's two issues. As a quantitum of money.
And there's the length. Is Cosey pick it a top
twenty AFL player, If he's a top twenty, I think
you have to be around that mark to get that
sort of contract.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I wonder who had to say, I mean, you've got.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
The board that is a rule.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
This is a big think a longer, longer term. But
the president elect is overseas, so would it have been
run past him? The CEO hasn't started yet full time.
Would it have been run past him?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
One hundredh not not Paul Gerra.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
But definitely Stephen Smith.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Definitely Stephen Smith. And David Chippendale sits he's the acting CEO,
sits on the List Management Committee. He came out of
list maagement, so he's definitely ticked it off.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
So the AFL requires the Board in these because of
their apprehension about and the risk involved with long term contracts.
Because another factor of all of this is that Melbourne's
also confronted is that is the bracial thing and that
you're you're exposure to players with contracts, not the pick
it is in in a concussion situation now, but you
don't know what you don't know going ahead with injuries
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and certainly with more players being can cast out of
the game.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Can I just throw in another player who was back
at the Western Bulldogs on Monday morning and reportedly spoke
to his teammates apologizing for his behavior in Jamara jugil
Hagen yep. Are you touch of cynicism?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Well, he's apologized before, and you just wait to see
that the behavior changes, because it hasn't before.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I'm just interested in you to trade experts. What you
think will happen there and what should happen.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Well, I think would be traded and likely the front.
The only club that has been really strongly linked him
is the Swans yep. So I take that. I have
not heavily investigated where he's going to end up, but
I would be surprised. I don't think he should be
at the Bulldogs.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I think better certainly won't be at the Bulldogs.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Bulldogs are talking. I think that Bulldogs are talking a
game of h we want to turn him around, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I think they're saying all the right things to keep,
you know, value value in him and promote value in him.
But I think he's got I think he's in about
eight fifty this year and next year, so his contract
to you know, they'll get that money off the books.
They won't get much in a trade since I don't think,
don't you no.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
No, even even given his wage, well.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Given the quality of the player, take them he's only
got one year to go. You take that money off
their books for them. What is what if if they
want him out and there really is ending up only
one club that he could go to. I think that
it's not going to be a really high draft pick
for him.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
If he wants to get a decent contract at any
club in the Swan's they might be interested. Now, who
knows in three months time, right, these things are.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Not after he's maybe got some VFL games.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, potentially he has to show everyone that he is
desperate to be a very good AFL player and show
that at the Bulldogs. So the Bulldogs are a vested
interesting getting Hm up and running to get a secure
a decent deal. And jugil Hagen obviously has a massivest
interest in showing that he's recovering, you know, in terms
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of his of his of his issues.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It's just interesting, Jake. I mean two months ago, I
would have when I was looking at some of the
social media nonsense. I would have said, I don't know
if I'll ever play again, and so many clubs are
ruling him out. And then I think back to Jesse Hogan,
you know, and you go, well, you think Bailey Smith
probably wasn't quite so openly you know, on the on
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the tear or however you want to describe it, or
troubled or whatever. But he seemed to he obviously had
some issues as well, and now he's, you know, looking
like he could play on a premiership team.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Bailey durw a contract. I'll draw a contrast between Bailey
Smith and Jamaal Barra. Bailey Smith has always been an
unusual character in that he's combined erratic behaviors with an
incredible drive to succeed, and his work ethic is unquestioned
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and peel the skin off his chicken kind of meticulous
devotion in some ways, which you know, play hard, train hard.
We've we've seen these sort of people before in football,
Wayne Carey, you know, all sorts of examples, Jamara. There's
a question mark on the will to succeed and I
think that's what he has to really show. Ever, because
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the one thing that footy clubs put a line through
is competitiveness if your competitive ethos and your desire is
not there.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Well, they also say that the clubs typically also they
back themselves in that in our culture they will be different.
Then you get them into us and we'll turn them
around and they're ay'll be different. And certainly there's a
sense of that from Sydney, you know, the idea that
maybe some of the some of the problems that Jamara
faces are helped by not being in the same environment
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and being in the state and away from the sorts
of friends and associates that are leading him into trouble
as well.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
And the getaway factor is really when you're at Hogan,
what a success that is and what a tribute to
the Giants and to Adam Kingsley and to him and
Jesse Jesse. So Jamara should look at Jesse Hogan like
this is very achievable.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Jason McCartney and Dave Matthews and Toby Green and all
of everyone.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Really he also grew up, I mean, you know, your
late twenties, not still being a bonehead of.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Rows twenty two. So I mean there's got plenty of
time and people say, people pick him up whatever. Well,
the history tells you they always get picked up.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
It's interesting you raise Bailey Smith because right now you're
looking at that game the other night, Bailey Smith and Holmes,
and you just thought, see, there's not many teams that
have got something to be able to combat those two.
The repeat speed, high speed, high repeats. Just the endurance
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and speed is just incredible.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Well that's what that's exactly the language. I was talking
to someone in that field said that Max Holmes is
the prototype of what you want an a for midfield
player to be. Now, not in terms of physiologically, you
want a guy that can run like that. And his mother,
of course, was an Olympic sprinter.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
She coached my son Lee Naylor briefly at school and
you look at the pedigram.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Running fast, running fast.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
He was middle distance. So she was a very good coach,
very impressive person. And I think he might be even
managing this son now. Actually I think he might have
changed management. But anyway, he's tied to Geelong for a
long time, so it's probably irrelevant. But again we've got
to put the cave it on. Essendon were completely undermanned
and there was no real opposition. Let's face it.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm not talking about it. I'm just looking at.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
The one two combo.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, it's the way they ran and going from deep
in defense the full length of the ground and linking
and it was it was sort of the entertainment to
watch within the game because it was it was a
bit of you know, Witch's hats for the match, in
large part because he's just so young and inexperienced and
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butchers of the ball.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I'd heard that Dermot Burton one of the subplots of
this game, that his son in law archer May, was
that he was at the going to be at the
present function. Someone was going to give him steps on,
going to give him an Essendon scarf.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
And I don't know whether I think you know, he
was there and I think he was in the I
think he was in the rooms.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Did he put it, did he put it on?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I don't know. History doesn't report, but he was definitely there,
dressed in black. Definitely there.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I get through the whole group of them.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
They've got another Thursday night game against Fremantle. I mean
some of these Thursday.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Night absolute blockbuster that is.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I mean, I know the AFL put a line through
Richmond and Melbourne actually, I think for Thursday Friday night
games when they did the second half of the year
with the view that Richmond had had some pretty competitive games,
but the young players were going to tie around and
they'd be no good, which is probably correct, but surely
they would have had that view about Essendon as well.
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I mean, I guess Essendon, we're still in the initial
part of the fixed you aren't we. I think they
do it up until around fifteen.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
This is the kind of phantom of Essendon being half
decent when they're really a bottom what are they bottom?
Certainly bottom eight, probably to bottom seat by the top
of the bottom six.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean at the moment they're sitting. Just
they've dropped now because they actually were in the eighth
for quite longer than you would have thought given the
injuries and the person on they had out there, that
we're now seeing the latter position better reflect.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, but they are decimated. Yeah yeah, and I haven't
been unhappy within this Ye. It's funny how they don't
get they don't get. The game against b they copped
some criticism, but this game there's been none because everyone
just looked at the two James and said, well, what
do you expect will.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Do you question all the soft tis Hue injuries though,
because it does seem to be disproportionate. It's you know,
and I asked Brad Scott about it earlier this year.
I said, is there something about the surface that the
hang up? Which he didn't take all that well, but
there's a lot of soft Tishue injuries.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
The one I questioned is not them, it's Carlton and
yet again, so they blitz West Coast in the first quarter,
it still manage what two goals for the second half?
Like this is just yet again Carlton second half of
a game. They have to be a good six goals
up at half time to be any hope of guarantee
or any guarantee of being able to hang on and
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win a game.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
They'd never look like losing that game.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
But what they were supposed to go and have this
deep dive during their buy and work out, you know
what has been wrong? What have we been doing wrong?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You know?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Where do we go with is with a bit of
time off to really sort of pick apart and look
under the hood as they say about and it was
the same again. It was just Carlton fading and flagging
and I don't know whether it's fitness. You would certainly
think so.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But they beat North Melbourne this week and you think
they probably will or if.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
The good don't make the finals, which I don't think
they will. No that this is the second year in
a row where they've had a very advantageous fixture carrow
where they've gotten this year they got North and West
Coast or no is it Richmond at two of the
bottom three twice.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
North and West Coast.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
North and West Coast and they lost to Richmond likes it's.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Not after being forty two points.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Last year they got into eighth. They got to eighth
spot and playing two of the bottom three twice, they
lost to Collingwood twice. Collingwood finished ninth. We played none
of those teams twice. Now it's sort of there was
some flattery of that eighth position last year. I reckon
and I think.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I'm going to come off a flag that didn't really flag.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Well, it's interesting with Brisbane. I mean it's probably for
we'll get to that later, but whether they where the
team wins the premiership, but they are a little bit conditional, Well, can.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
We quickly get to Brisbane because Brisbane g w WES
was the game of the round and no one, no,
I don't think I think one person of the age
tipsters picked g w S No. But it was it
was an extraordinary it was a great game.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
It was pretty much what happened last year.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
The loss of Pain, Yeah, I think really significant. It is,
isn't it to not have Joe Dan Dan to her
all pain now?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So he's going to play, but yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Thing is, even if they put hip would back and
he makes a fist of it so to speak, they've lost.
They've lost Dan to her, so that hip would a
bigger loss in the forward line for structure.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Bob Murphy was the only person.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Who tipped ever eclectic Bob.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Sorry, just just chasing, he's chasing. Just thought i'd put
that one in. But g W seven now, so they've
had a great win over Collingwood, haven't.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
They, Geelong, Glo and.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Brisbane, and yet they're on the edge of.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
The eight and yet they lost. They lose to Port
Adelaide in Canberra. I mean, how does that happen? You know,
you just sort of a.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Lot of things happen in Cambra. They are an explicable Cara, Well.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Not gws can usually be pretty much relied relied on
to win.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
In Canberra, they had that period and there they just
but now they feel like they've they've got it back,
you know, they've got their form back. This is without
Toby too, so you know, as much as yes, Garden
was an in pain, was an in game injury, which
makes it harder to cover.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
But it's just as a broad point, please, there's some
teams at the bottom part of the eight. If you
look at the Bulldogs and Gas do you want to
play these teams if you're Jawn or Collingwood or you know,
or the Crows if they make the top four, which
I think they still can. Some of those lower sides
are not really lower, are they? If they get in.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
That's what I was saying earlier, Like the Bulldogs are
sitting ninth, but they're the team i'd at least like
to face. I think in the if I'm if I'm Geelong, Collingwood, Adelaide,
that top four would be looking at that and going, can.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
The Giants still push in? Can to the Giants or
the Bulldogs still make the top four? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Well, yeah, you'll know a lot more this Sunday because
the Giants have got Gold Coast at home. I don't
fancy the crowd, it'll be a disaster, but I do
fancy the game, and that's at at home and she
Stadium in Western Sydney. So if they can, if they
can beat the Gold Coast, that that takes them to
(32:52):
what nine? Are they eight and six at the moment?
That takes them to nine and six?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah? Yeah, six when you look at the strap sure
this sighte having those two key forwards and having Taylor
who might be the best defender in the comp and
Jack Buckley and Ash running off half back on don't
at each end of the ground. They're pretty stacked. It's
just whether that midfield holds up and whether they can
because they've lost depth to the Crows. Those two guys
(33:18):
going to the Crows, Perryman going to Collingwood. They've just
lost a bit of their their second strength.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
It's interesting the Gold Coast as well as interesting their
opponent this week they lose that they've lost the last two.
That'll be three in a row. I think they've got
Essendon twice because they missed them in that opening round
that's been rescheduled, so they think they've got twice. Yeah,
for the very end of the season, maybe since plays
back by them. But so they've got you'd expect them
all of those two. But they they still only got that.
(33:45):
They're on eight wins. That said, they've bet Essendon both
of those games. Like, is them ten? You still probably
need twelve thirteen to get in. I think they probably will,
but yeah, it's there's still no I mean, it is
a gold case. Have been in this position before.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
But normally normally by now we say the Asia said,
you'd have to say the Bulldog sitting outside the ASI
of the they're the only ones you think we'll get in?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, it would be incredible if the Bulldogs weren't in
the eighth with how good they actually.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Are and some of the performances and.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll take a break there, come
back with quick questions.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
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Speaker 1 (34:44):
We'll welcome back and straight into quick questions and one
straight off the top on the Common Metal. How many
goals will it take to win the Common Medal? Do
you think this year Jake Cameron's leading with forty four?
Hogan on thirty eight? Hogan won at last year with
seventy seven goals seventies enough.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yep, and it'll be Jeremy Cameron.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
And have you reckoned seventy yep?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Lo seventies?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Well, he's on forty four now, so that's got him
kicking another only counting home and away another thirty yep. Listen, yep.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I think you'll get to eighty because I think it
will be Cameron. They've got They've got about five games
at home at GMHBA to run in for the rest
of the season. I think you'll do well there. We
had the Hall of Fame last week. Who should be
the next former player inducted into the Australian Hall of Fame?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Karen Jeff Raines, Jeff Raines.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
You beat me to it, Carrot. I was going to
say Jeff.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Raynes, but I thought you were going to say someone else.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Jeff Rnes was my first choice and the second choice
is David Cloak. So two X time players who left
their clubs. The story here is if you leave your club,
it hurts you don't get lobbied for by the clubs.
I mean, of course you've got the SA Australians. You've
got to take your place.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Behooks. Yep, seriously too many. I'm going to say it.
I've said Patrick Kane, No, but jeff Ranes go through
when you think that Matthew Richardson are deserved like should
have been in an absolute champion. But jeff Rynes was
a three time Best and Fairest at Richmond, including in
(36:22):
nineteen eighty a premiership year, two time All Australian, played
over two hundred and fifty games, albeit at four different clubs.
It's a no brainer that he doesn't get into the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I would put two other players sav Roca sixteenth on
the all time goalkicking list, and I think the only
person in the top twenty in the goalkicking list that
isn't in the Hall of Fame again two club player,
not necessarily being lobby Another one Brent Croswell, two club player.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah Croswell. Croswell's a long time ago and he's certainly
a legend dinner as a Maverick character. I'd like to
see just to see what he would speech Beach Peter
out the Hall of Fame last week. Peter Darley from
South Adelaide. I don't know how good a player he was.
I don't know if he belonged in there or not.
(37:12):
I'm skeptical of this South Australian lobby in this area.
Sorry to all those Adelaide people listening, but honestly, if
someone from another nor would player from the eighties gets in, well,
well it was I enjoyed, very funny.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Well he actually mentioned my father, who's in hospital and
who enjoyed the mentioned because Dad and Jack Dyren Graham
Richmond signed up Peter Darley. They're in a pub in
Flemington or something, and Peter Darley told the story that
he only did it to get all the other clubs
off his back, and how good Richmond were they didn't
harass him to come and play.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
The best line on that was Gary Lyne when he said,
you know, I look down, I see burrit it and dance.
I'd love to play with you, and you know I
love to play with you. I'd love to go on
a footy trip.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Jeff Rains is a no brainer for mine.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Okay, move on, Caro. Who will be hurt more by
losing the CEO, Brisbane or Sydney given the two recent
appointments to the aphan.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Look, I think Sydney because Brisbane have got well. They've
both got strong presidents who've been there for a while,
so I don't I think the boards are very solid.
But they've just lost their head of footy Sydney two
years ago, well last year really because Charlie Garner was
doing some work for them in Melbourne, whereas Danny Daley
(38:29):
has been a strong footy lieutenant to Chris Fagan for
a long time. They've got a new coach at Sydney
who's obviously, you know, coming in from you know, coming
in inheriting a broken hearted team really, so I think
for Sydney it's going to be tough and I don't
know how good Sam Graham's going to be, but he's
already been installed, like they've got a clear succession plan.
(38:51):
Sydney are very good at succession plans, but this probably
happened before they were ready.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, definitely Sydney hard to hit in the short Just
one thing on Brisbane and I've mentioned this to people
at the club, Like I think that that the Brisbane lines,
with the success they've had with the Olympic thing coming
in with how good they've been on the field, they
really have to and talking about ten million in the bank,
they really have to get their funding from the AFL down.
(39:19):
I think this is something that never gets attention. They've
been the third most funded club for a long long
time and that part of it is a bit of
a I don't think their financial performance deserves as much
praise as it's gotten said.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
They've got no debt, ten million, ten million in the
bank and rebuild a facility.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yeah, but they've been a huge recipient of AFL fund.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I'll tell you what they do deserve praise for football
and the numbers in Queensland absolutely, which will go past
South Australia we're being told ultimately, which is a great achievement.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Ultimately, this is why there's such an important club for
the code because they have actually changed the code for
the better. They've done a mighty job in that. I'm
just saying the fun Really, it's a little sneaky thing
that hasn't got a lot of attention.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Well, no doubt you've given it attention and you'll continue
to do.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
So.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
We'll finished with a question from Phil from Wollongong, who asks,
we've heard a lot about Melbourne and its culture, to
what extent is Stephen May's behavior towards his teammates a
symptom of the problems at Melbourne. I can't think of
too many other teams that would condone it.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I didn't have as much of a problem with what
happened last weekend. You're talking about the King's Birthday game.
It was poor timing to go and say that to
his captain. Had he not followed it up with giving
away that pivotal fifty penalty a week later, I mean
Melbourne were coming. That was just stupid what he did
Stephen May. And he's a leader and he's one of
(40:45):
the great defenders in the competition.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
It is that sort of you're going to go up
and have crack at someone for making an error in
a game. A decision wasn't even really a he just
slewed the ball. They were ever going to win from
that point. But with the gorn thing, the gorn thing,
but don't go with this.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
It's just a pity that Melksham didn't run in at that.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
It wasn't he going to have a crack at melch
Did you realize that?
Speaker 1 (41:13):
All right, that is all we've got time for for
this week. Thanks to you both, Carol and Jake for
joining us. Thanks allso out of Channel seven and Fox
Footy for the audio we've used in this episode. If
you'd like to get in touch, you can do so
via email, Real Footy Pod at Theage dot com dot au.
Don't forget to subscribe, rate and review wherever you get
your podcasts. The Expert Tips podcast will be back on Thursday.
(41:34):
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