June 2, 2025 • 42 mins
The Swans sink to a new low, the Hok-ballers cough up ad-hoc effort, Melbourne "kick themselves to death", and we ask which acronym do the Saints need more: NWM or TDK? All that and more must-listen footy chat in this week's Real Footy podcast with Michael Gleeson, Jake Niall and Sam McClure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the real Footy podcast coming up. The Swans
have slumped after a humbling by the rampant Crows. Discuss
what's gone wrong with Sydney and have a look at
the Hawks and what's happened to Hawkball. Discuss the changes
at AFL House and the breakout game of Nat Caddy,
as well as the inspirational speeches of football. All of
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that and mort right after this up as a kicking
of the middle.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
ROUSSELLI was a soccer fire and that was absolutely magnificent.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
O the Keys.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It deserves to go and.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
That's exactly what it gots right, will be the deep
target dams don there ty fights across climbs, it plays
on Russia ply from Caddy, get.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Everything right, Brian Amble over their head, just coughed it
up to a Sullivan and looking inboard. Smith has been
involved in absolutely everything. He's on fire, Bailey Smith dominating
this game.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh we welcome. My name is Michael Gleason and joining
me today Jake and Sam McClure. Welcome to you both.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Hell the Glease, Hello, Jake, Sam Glease.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Big weekend of footy. Jake the Swan's the Swan's well, yeah,
they certainly.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Weren't the bloods. Were they? They were bloodied rather than
bloods and very poor. But this season has been slowly
going off the cliff and it's now sort of like
the road runner. They've you know, wow, they've gone off
the cliff.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I think that they actually actually got back to about
round twenty one that put Adelaide last week. But you know,
ninety points last year was really the turning point for
them where they then limped into the final. You know,
they went through to the Grand Final, got smashed and
it's how much of this did you put down to
the psychology of a team that's also been belted in
a Grand Final, because they often take a while to recover.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I think the thing that struck me on the weekend
watching that game was and Dean Cox said after the
game that you know, the two thousand and five premiership
players that were there as part of the reunion were
uncompromising and desperate. They were the two words he used
to describe that group. And you know, ever since I've
been following footy and I remember those five and six
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Grand Finals and the wars of attrition against West Coast.
That's how Sydney have always been you know, in different iterations. Yes,
but under Rus and then under Lomi, they were always
desperate and uncompromising. And they started the third quarter actually
quite well. They kicked for the first five goals, but
then once the floodgates opened, it was just so unlike
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the Sydney I've come to know and I know, but
you went back to that Grand Final, which I agree
that they now appear like a team that are easy
to get ahold of, which is an indictment on an
organization that has been anything.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
But that those teams had. You know, you've got Bolton,
Kirk Kennedy. They're not the blokes that are going to
allow attempt to just to continue to roll over you.
So when they had the capacity to just lock the
game up, if you've got to roll on, draw a
line that we'll make it into a slow stoppage, we'll
make it. Or more, we're not going to get rolled
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over here, they didn't have that ability to close the
game down, even to stop the hemorrhaging of blood of
the Blood's jag.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah. Look, I'm kind of always a bit skeptical about
the cultural legacies of past teams. This is a new team.
This team got smashed in the Grand Final. They got
smashed by Port Adelaide. If you look go back over
last season, there were a lot of warning signs Before
that day. I was pretty confident that Brisbane would win
the win the Grand Final, just on the players they've got.
They've got a much better list than Sydney. No Callumn
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Mills for a fair chunk, No Golden who's in the
top three players? No papily start with personnel. I always
think that we go to psychological explanations and cultural explanations,
go to personnel first. Personnel is weakened.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I agree with that bad the depth is weak. You've
still personnel can account to such to some point. But
now we've got to this stage at round twelve and
you go, look, yes, they've been missing those players. Personnel
can only account for so much when you lose that badly,
And yeah, okay McDonald, they've been struggling for a forward
as well. Absolutely other teams have been missing key personnel
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and still been even if they've lost, been more competitive
than that. This wasn't a competitive game.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I guess what happens is, though you already shell shot
from the Grand Final, you have a raft of injuries
to some of your best players you don't have great depth,
which they didn't have. But the thing was last year
even the reliance on Heeney and Warner and Goulden was extreme.
I thought for a team that was there on Grand
Final days, I look at it, this is a thin
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team at the top. Credit to John long Might getting
them there. John LONGMI is one of his great achievements
is to get teams that weren't good enough in my view,
into the deciding game. And I don't think that's the
way history has been written.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Was asked after the game whether or not they also
had had they been training hard enough and then the
right way to reach the level that they should be
out He because maybe not. And there have been those
sorts of suggestions of some doubting whether or not they've
been cutting a few corners with a new coach, and
I think that now I'm not saying that's necessarily right,
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but there's been that sort of rumble around and for
him to say, oh maybe, well, I think there'll be
a fairly renewed vigor in their training.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
There's tentacles everywhere in so far as the story here,
and I know that players often a lot going to
Sydney from Victoria because they escape a bit of the limelight.
Well they're escaping a little bit of the limelight now.
I mean if this was a calling with or a
Carlton or a Essen, you think about everything going on
at Sydney at the moment. Not only have they just
changed coaches, not only have they got injuries, but they've
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got a captain that doesn't play much since he's been captain.
They've got guys who are getting suspended left, right and
center for really ill dissipate acts. And then you've got
a CEO who is being hunted by the AFL you know,
to be their number two essentially, and a chairman who
is making sounds. Depending on who you believe to potentially
be the successor.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Two, we could have the Swans just take over the
AIS to Richard Gouder.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So you know, imagine glease if you will, that you know,
in the next twelve months they lose a CEO and
a chairman with a brand new coach with a list
that people I guess are questioning at the top end.
I think they're a fascinating story of this one.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
And I don't forget Chad Warner. Yeah, Chad Warner's got
two years, but you wouldn't be necessarily confident that he
would be there. He's their second best player after Heney.
You wouldn't be confident that he would be there after
that period given the interest from Western Australia.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Also, Heeney and Warner didn't provide much of a resistance
of resistance when things got hard on the weekend.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
No, I think I think it's multi factored. But I
think I just want to put down that I don't
think their personnel is good enough, and no it's not,
but I think that when you get injuries to a
team that's not good enough.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
But as Gleise wrote in the paper during the week,
they did have fifteen players that played in that Grand Final.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And had that Grand Final time.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I understand that, but like to get there is still
a big achievement. Been a long time since Essendon or
carlm have been anyone.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Well, yes, but fifteen missing. One of those that fifteen playing.
One of those missing is Parker who was traded out.
They also brought in Taylor Adams who would have played
in the Grand Final back fore injury.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Still a decent team, Jake, I think you've given them
some outs here.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
No, I'm not giving them outs because one of my
outs is that I don't think that I don't think
they should have been in the ground. I don't think
they're good enough to be in the Grand Final.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
But they were the best team in the home and away season.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
They were for two thirds of the home and away season.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Then they were top.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
They finished on top. They were the best team.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Look at the second half of the year, but they
finished on top. Hey, you can be adamant about it.
I don't think they were the best team. You got
their own Grand Final day. How much did you think
they'd win the game?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I thought they'd get within eighty points.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
No, I didn't think. I thought it came.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Brisbane are a much more talented absolutely. Anyone who knows
anything about lists of clubs.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Well, I wonder if this dire situation they're in right
now informs Tom Harley's thinking as he's being approached great,
because they he's got his own family circumstances of wife's
job and kids and settled and good job, happy in
Sydney to think. So that's one element to it. There
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is this approach and it's the keen interest to think
that from the AFL, and you could look at it
and say, well, you're going there, but you can also
be the successor and take over as the head of
the AFL and the prestige and the money that comes
with that. But he's also going to have to consider
walking away from them a the time when there when
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he'd look at it and go, what what did I
leave them in?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
It's a bit like Brendan Gail though. I mean he
could have gone to the AFL if that had been
able to be negotiated in a better away. And and he,
you know, beating down of a new coach three flags.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Three flags, he has got that legacy. Tom Halliant SI
as far as not he's not the CEO informs those things.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
No, that's true. So look, it's a it's it's an
interesting way, just a just a common I think we
have to make is that there was another team that
they played that's pretty good and the Crows, and I
think that's excellent. The Adelaide Crows are a genuine premiership
threat in my view. I think they've got ballistic attacking abilities.
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They've got the best forward line of the game, yep,
but none Taylor Walker, I'm not even sure they need
Taylor Walker on that side. Foggerty I think is a
very good player, and Phil Thorpe is a rising star
of the competition, as well as Isaac Rankin Josh.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
When they lost to Collingwood. If or doesn't play that game,
they win that game.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I reckon. If you're Hollingwood, are your the Brisbane lines
and you're in the Grand Final? Do you want to
play the Adelaide Crows? I reckon?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
They be dangerous home or away? I reckon.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I think they're pretty dangerous anywhere. The way they can score.
They opened up Beason and by what they kicked, what
twenty five goals or something.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Rankin's ability now to transition to be a midfielder, which
was even internally at the Crows they were doubtful of
at the start of the year. They liked the idea
of him in the midfield because he created that X factor,
but his numbers weren't great as far as when you
when you when you looked at it at a granular level,
that the clearances he got as opposed to his opponent,
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what impacted he was having. Now he's swung that back
in his own direction. He's now really he's a disruptor,
and he's he's dynamic. He aids pace around that ball
as well, and he still just goes forward.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
And Jordan Dawson's their best player yep, and would have
to be one of the best chances to win the
Brown Low based on what I've seen.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, well Thorpe is also you know that, that's the
other thing they've got there til Thorpe is possible. Is
not only a very very good key forward, is probably
the best second ruck going around. I can't think of
too many that are better when you can throw him
into the second into the ruck because his tap workers
is as good as any and it sort of gets
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overlooked because he's so powerful up forward. How was that
Rochelle goal kick?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Not soccer outside of the would have been happy with that. Hey,
I know that I'm sitting in a seat that's often
occupied by Carrow, so far be it for me to
sort of steal her thunder here?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
But you're going to But it was just a weird.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Weekend of footy fixture wise. Yeah, one game in Victoria.
You know, I think I.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Think that's you. I think that's your You don't need
so much more than that. One game in Victoria.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Got home on on Saturday. I was looking forward to
a half competitive game of footy. I was. I was
trawling through Netflix if I'm if I'm ones at halftime
to wonder what else I watch?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
What did you watching?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I did end up watching the second half because I
feel like I've seen everything on Netflix. You know, It's
on the same weekend that the A League at its
all Melbourne Grand Final, which I know is a complete coincidence.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But it's not THEFL.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
It was unlike the AFL to leave leave the fixture
so open, and I just think we've got three more
weeks of this by nonsense. It really takes the air
out of the season, get rid of I just think
it's it makes for a really flat month of footy.
And it's also the irony is and speaking to some
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clubs over the weekend from a spectator's point of view,
the weather's just starting to get a bit colder around
the country. It's at a time where we're probably spending
a little bit more time at home footy if anything,
should be trying to go the other way and just
and thrive with you know, as big a games as
we can get now. Friday night ended up being a
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bit of a fizzer at the MCG, which was just pointing.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, Thursday night was better than expected.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Thursday night was pretty watchable. Yeah, and then I thought,
I thought, Sunday. I mean it was the longest wait
I've had on a Sunday, Yeah, waiting for three twenty
hours Springs Yeah, and then and then Geelong per Geelong
well because of the because of the holiday and Perth
so that at the night game.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It Yeah, I don't love the Sunday night.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
It wasn't a great It wasn't a great weekend to
be footy fan, was my was my point?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Felt I felt. I felt that Hawthorne let the round
down with their performance against Collingwood in the sense that
if that had been an epic game, we'd look at
this round very different.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, you can hold on to hope.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, agree, it was delivered. I thought the Gabba game
was really entertaining and it was in the web.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That was the surprising one.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I thought in spirit, I mean we'll get to this.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, and the same as I thought, you
know that can't be helped by them as well. Free
Matle Gold Coast in the Peeing Rain didn't make for
a great great comness. But before we move on to
those other guys, the other big news out of last
week was this, which we touched on with Tom Harley,
This shake up at AFL house. What do we make
of that we haven't had a chance to talk about it.
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It can't be seen to be anything other than either
a demotion or a dilution of Laura Kine's position. And
when I say Laura Kaye's position, as opposed to being
a comment on Laura Kine, the position has been the
job title. Stephen Meade moves off the executive and has
a lot of things that they want to do without
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having without actually having anyone.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
To do them well to understand getting this story up
first all. Secondly, I think this was Andrew Dillon's best
week as AFLA in that he had something that he
hasn't fully had, which is inevitable when you take over
from a charismatic predecessor is authority, and whether the change
work or whether they don't, he put his imprint on
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the competition. Really for the first time, this felt like
it was his decisions, his people. Laura Kane. You know,
obviously there's been a lot said and written about that.
I don't want to go over we can go into
that a bit, but clearly you know that's a demotion
and Tanya Hosh they'd been trying to navigate an exit
there for some time and he got that done. That's
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something that didn't happen for quite a long time at
the AFL, and that's now been done. I think that
the Stephen Meade one's probably the intriguing one, where I
would say that while this was his best week, the
clubs will feel empowered and that the clubs have gotten
some things that they wanted. So the power of that.
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I don't know what you think, Sam or I.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Agree on that, and I think that that was a
weird thing with Stephen meat at the time when they're
confronting attack litigation on concussion, that they move the AFL's
senior lawyer in the council off the execus and handover
integrity and other matters too, and as yet un the
income non appointed COO, who's unlikely from you know, I
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had to have the same sort of legal background and
understanding of steam met So yes, okay, Andrew's Andrew Dillon's
the CEO with a legal background coming out of that,
but that seemed an unusual and odd thing for me,
And I think that you're right that it feels like
maybe it was the sop to the clubs, but that's
might just be a bit too emboldening to the clubs
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that they can dictate terms.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
The clubs have felt locked out and they've shaken their
fists at what's going on in the executive and to
a degree they've gotten their way. But I think Andrew Dillon,
rather than closeting his executives, has in a sense you
could argue Sam that he sided with the clubs. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I think there's probably two very different ways to look
at it, two sides of the same coin, and one
is that it's a bit of a mess when you're
rebuilding on the run, which has happened midway through a season,
very unlike the AFL to shuffle its executive team halfway
through a year, so they look disorganized, to be quite
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frank that's now. It's one side of it, that's the
cynical side, and the other one is to the point
that you guys were touching on, is that they finally
listened to the clubs and they've actually made change. And yes,
it may look like a shot in the foot optics
wise for a couple of weeks. But at least they're
doing something about it. So yeah, there's one cynical perspective
and there's one more positive.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I also think it's easy to look at it as
its correct that he listened to the clubs. I think
Andrew finally listened to those that have been advising him
for some time to say you've got to act here
or you're going to go down with other underperforming executive
team members. And that's what he's been that's advice he
had been given, and he was holding back, pulling back,
resisting change. And then they had a horror few weeks
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and realized enough enough, I'm not going down. I'm putting
my stamp on this organization. And then he made He
was probably in some way slow to act, but when
he acted, he acted very strongly and made those changes.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And they've had a problem in football operations because the
football operations jobs, as I've pointed out before, it has been shrunken. Basically.
That's the process started under Demetrio with Adrian Anderson, and
when Gillan became the heir apparent as the commercial person
as the broadcast person they demoted that that portfolio, but
it's got a high public profile and it deals a
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lot with the clubs.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
On that.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
We'll take a break, come back and talk more about
the Pies and the Hawks and Brisbane and the Dons.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
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Speaker 4 (18:51):
We all studied the terrain. I ended up going backwards.
We've got it all blonde coming through mctas with the Finnishenter.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Welcome back, jacib. We touched on it before. But Hockball
and the Pies, what happened to Hockball.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Well, it was I've used this line before, but it
was ad hockball. There wasn't a lot of there wasn't
a lot of system and now they went forward. Interestingly enough,
Hawthorne won the clearances by ten or twelve and the
contested ball by about that number, which was pretty much
the clearance difference. But the clearances were junk and though
a lot of them were rushed, kicked up in the air,
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and Collingwood on transition, we're just lethal. They had a mismatch.
So I don't think Sam Mitchell, you know, he's got
a lot of you know, he's had a lot of
success last year. There's the Hawthorne family firmly behind him,
but he didn't have the best game. If you look
at the matchup of battle on Jamie Elliott, how did
that go?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
You see, he's a hard matchup in fans, not to
penickx Ham. But it's not the first time that Jamie
Elliott has torn. Yeah he has been stopped, but he's
a half match up.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
So yeah, but they were not they're tackling. The most
disappointing thing here is the is the tackling count, which
is two weeks against the Brisbane lines and then against
Collingwood has been what in the high thirties and Collingwood
well what eighty or eighty eight or something, eighty four whatever,
it was a lot. That was the biggest difference in
the game is that Collingwood players put pressure on Hawthorne.
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Hawthorne cough the ball up, Collingwood transition and move the
ball with these The.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Thing I know you guys watched the piles closely. The
thing that just stands out for me watching this team
in the last few years, like they're just winners that
even the year that you know they people criticizing them.
Was it the year that they made the Grand Final
that they are they were winning so many close games,
you know, there was this kind of like this theory
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that well they were just getting a little bit lucky
that all these had eight games decided by the listener
goal and they won seven of them or whatever the
stat was. But for a sport that we concentrate so
much on system and culture and optic and they're just
a group of winners, glease, they find ways to win.
And I'm not positive they've got a very talented list,
I'm not. And yet the way that they play for
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each other, whether McCrae is a great tactician or whether
he's a great motivator or he's a bit of both,
it's something very special is happening at this footy club.
Everything they did on the weekend against Hawthorne, every time
they touched it something it seemed to turn to gold.
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, I think in modern footy there aren't many great
lists because of the restrictions of building a list.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
But Billy Frampton's playing at one end and Tim Membery's
playing at the other. Now that's no disrespect to either
of those guys, but neither Port, Adelaide, Norse and Kilda
wore that unhappy to lose either of those players.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Or Adelaide previously with Billy as well.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Sorry Adelaide as well. But and yet they're both playing
at Key. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
No, no, you're right and interestingly, and this is one
that will be a query, that will be a question
asked if Colin would over the next few months. Is
they used Billy Frampton as second ruck on against Marby
or chol so he was playing on him as a
forward when he was a forward and ChIL went into
the uck and he went in and second ruck. Now
with McStay coming back, he probably does that. He probably
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is the second ruck. He hasn't been that good as
a second ruck.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
You're putting a line through Mason Cox.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
No, he played well on the weekend, but he has
been poor. He's had a poor season when playing in
the AFL. They need someone like that, but then they
get then they have a selection career of well if
Cox comes in because they need a second ruck and
it wouldn't surprise me if he plays against Melbourne because
of Gorne that that they look at, well, can we
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then have if Cox is in there, can we play
with McStay and Mayer check and Memory probably.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I'd say every team carries a few players, and Collingwood
a player. Is Memory going to be in their best
side when McStay is there? Maybe maybe not. I would
say that one of the defining features of Collingwood is
that their average ages of the team that's running out
there is over twenty eight. It's the oldest team possibly
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we've seen close to it. They are extremely experienced and
they seem to know what they're doing in the theme song,
they know how to play the game. Well, that's that's them.
They've got a lot of people who know what they're
doing in these type situations and indeed just in general play,
the decision making is very good. And that's like Perryman's
a good footballer, Like he's not a star, but he's coming.
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He's a very good footballer, and so is Dan Houston.
So they've got They don't have superstars like say some
other clubs are outside of Dekos and Pendlebrees are fading
superstar but still a very good leader out on the field.
I think they're big edges. They have the best player leadership.
I think if you looked at Essington going through this
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whole journey to try and find leaders. Some of these
clubs that have floundered with leaders Colin would have got
an embarrassed not ambarrassment of leaders. But they've got a
lot Jeremy who, They've.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Got more decos how Penleburry, side Bottom, Maynard.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Yeah, but even but even even asp Crisp, even you know,
Jamie Elliott has gone with the leadership group this year. Now,
I wonder if that's had an effect on.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
His fat possibly. Well, I think one of the things
that you say leadership, Yeah, that's one thing, and that
is a partly productive experience. You have a more mature team.
But that mature team you're talking about star fact that
still side Bottom is playing as well, is as well
as he has played. He's playing right now. I know
you'll do it later in this week for mid Year
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All Australian. I would have steel side Bottom in the
All Australian squad at least or on the somewhere there.
Definitely Jamie Elliott would have to be one of the
first pick. So he's sitting just under Jeremy Cameron now
in the Common Medal.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Do you know, Glease, he's never kicked forty goals in
the season.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Jamily, No, well, he's often had injurystand but like it's
amazing he's on thirty three now to your board, completelyused him.
Now he's going to get pick up an injury touching
all sorts of but the other thing. And so we
will move on from this in a second. But I
did like the fact that what was a bit of
a tedious last quarter to watch was actually part of
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that maturity and experience which McCray touched on, which I
thought was really clever that they I think they were
acutely aware of that comeback game last year against Hawthorne
when hard we went forward and kicked five and Hawthorne
lost by a goal, but it felt like Hawthorne had
won the game. So they proached that last court and
basically tried to suck the oxygen out of the game
by chipping the ball around, soak up some time on
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the clock and basically leave Hawthorne with no time to
have to have to chase and run to to cover
all these uncontested marks and then lose time to be
able to make any sort of meaningful comeback. And while
it became tedious to watch, it was actually really smart
sort of gamesmanship. But yeah, I looked at Pies and going, well,
I think Hawks he can't underestimate Day's absence of Sicily's form,
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drop Deer being missing from up forward, even though you
know it was only a he was a surprise packet
last year, but they haven't had it eighting for one
game you go drop Gunstan's up and down?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
So what about Sam? What about the getting the game
style and the met that worked down a bit? Because
when you have these upstart teams that come out of
nowhere and that take the competition by storm as orf
the Hockball Hawks, did you get a lot more scrutiny
from the one hundred and fifty coaches that are in
the AFL system.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, I'm still a little bit more glass half fall
on the Hawks, if I'm honest. I still think they're
finding their best footy. I think that Battle and Brass,
you know, started really well. They've had a bit of
a lapse. I think they'll come good and they've you know,
they've hit issues with their forward line. You know, Watson
still a little bit of a wall and Ginivan had
a really good first half, but you know he hasn't
been a player that we thought he might be all season.
(26:54):
I think that the Hawks will find their way. I
still think they'll They'll be there.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Absolutely. They're a young team. You know, they did a
lot of young, no doubt. It's just that the hope
that from all of the momentum they had in the
second half of last year, just driving into finals and
playing such exciting footy. It's not that they're losing us
that the excitement and the dare has gone in their game.
The way they were just playing and with speed and
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the electric ball movement, we haven't seen it as much now.
Is that because of some of that personnel, or is it,
as you say, Jake, that coaches have gone to work
on them particularly I mean the record against the better
teams now I think it's one four against five against
the eight teams. That does say well, maybe the better
teams have worked out a structure and the.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Captain looks frustrated Jake as well. Look, the temperament of
James Siciley has to be questioned.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Well, I wonder and this is just a question and
I haven't asked Sam mitche all this, but or any
Rob McCartney this. It would be interesting to know what
they think has sicily been affected by getting not Brass
or Battle, but the combination of getting both of them
because he played as a sort of de facto key defender.
He was an intercepting player. But has he been sort
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of has his role been compromised behind the ball to
the point that they're shifting him forward.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Early grass does, isn't it. He's certainly the sort of
intercept guy maybe, and Scripture has sort of been injured
and up and in and out as well, and it
will still be good.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Like I think it just felt like if Colin had
got the ball forward in this game, they're going to score.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah felt it's yeah, you mentioned it earlier Jacob Brisbane
and Cadie that was a coming of age game and
it's the one that he looked at him and thought
is he the best? We discussed this off earlier. Jake
is the most talented Essendon player in two decades to
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be drafted by the club. Merit possibly, but you know
it's the best before. Probably an athletic talent.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
He's a lot of Charlie Curner about him.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, a lot. I'd be interesting to see them play
in the difference in height playing against it. So he's
playing against he.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Plays tall like Charlie's not. You stand next to Charlie,
you always get it. Like I I spoke tore All
talk about it major, Well, yeah, but I stood next
to Ned Long and he's he's one hundred and ninety
four and he looked every bit of it. He was
like Jonathan Brown or crips. He was, I'm like, jee,
this guy's big and he's a midfielder. And you stand
next to Charlie Curner, go, he's not that tall. He
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doesn't look any taller than than then Bottom Pelley when
you're standing next to him. He's similar. He's not one
of these but one plus guys. But because he plays
toy plot beats guys that are doing with three inches taller.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
He's box office caddy. That's what he is. He's going
to take Essenon fans on the journey with him.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
And it's not going to be it's not going to
be even is it.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
No, it's not. But but like and they'll still have
they'll have bad games. You know, they will probably have
another thrashing between now on the end of the year potentially.
But I think while Essendon fans have seeing the growth
of the likes of Caddy. He's a sort of bloke
which takes you on the journey, you know, like this was.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
The game, the sort of game though, Okay, Caddie has
the breakout, but this was the sort of game where
they're so undermanned that it's a really it's one of
those sort of culture defining win performances, not a win
performances by a team to go up to the Gabba
play the Raginning Premium, admittedly one off a five day
break up in the last quarters really showing some ticker
(30:36):
with the players they had out and that was a
bloody good performance.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
It felt not a not a turning point game, but
it felt like if you're an Essendon fan and all
the essen fans, I know that we're comedy on the game.
We're like, they're very happy despite the loss. The five
day break is certainly a factor that should be for Brisbane,
that should be put into that. I think that the
injuries we didn't play out as badly as I thought
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they would for this simple reason. A wet ball game,
the loss of Mackay to the back line and the
loss even of having not having Ridley and there was
one other tall player down there that they normally have
that was absent or they didn't have a They don't
have either of Jones as well, and I don't have
either of their red right, so Reid, who's been tremendous
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this year, wasn't there, along with a lot and they
had LaVerdi playing as a key position player. But it
worked out quite well because it was a groundball game
and they got this very spirited rebound and I felt
that the ground ball game they got a better outcome
in a way. So I'm not sure that the injuries
was but what I thought was more important was the
way they fought back because previous essienent terms just roll
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over and get beaten by eighty points.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
We've been critical of the many things really, but of
the Saints that this was. This was a good performance
from the Saints in Darwin and d and in our springs.
Melbourne's Melbourn's been well perform there a middle. I think
Melbourne kicked themselves to death seven twenty No, No, that's
pretty hard. One twelve half to halftime.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah, one eleven one twelve yeah, Look, you're right, two
different stories. Melbourne were putrid, particularly in front of goal,
and the Saints were economic and you know they've also
got a player who is now arguably, you know, alongside
Marcus Bontepelli, the most wanted signature and footy in Wangane Miller.
(32:30):
He's everything that any recruiter wants. You know, it can
hurt you off half back. He's got run and carry,
he's got some X factor, good kick, he's a beautiful kick.
And you think Glease and Jake about the top ten
picks that this club has wasted in the last decade.
You know, if he was to leave on the back
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of Battle leaving last year, it would be such a
knife through the heart of that club.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
You know, like, well, who's more important TDK, Tom to
Conning going getting there.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Today?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
So you think about you know Clark and Coffield. You
know King was the top five pick and is always injured, Billings,
you know mccarton. Yeah, these these top line picks that
haven't worked out well. Any recruiter with the Salt will
tell you that once you get access to the top
ten picks, you have to nail them. They were criticize
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heavily and that draft, if you remember not taking Josh
sin it was a local sandring hand boy that that
grew up down the road and he was taken the
next pick at Port Adelaide. It looks like a pretty
good pick now. But if they were to lose him, glease,
you know.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
It's harder to attract players normally than keep players. They
should be. Yeah, like losing him would be as you say,
it's a net loss if they lose him and bring
in t DK. The loss. I think they probably loss
of him is more important.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Than their their inverted commons confidence of keeping him. Yeah,
but I guess we'll we'll. He hasn't signed yet, and
the interest from west of the border because he's not
he's not going to He's going to add a lo
a Port Adelaide if he leaves. But you have they
have to keep him, and.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Just on that. On that point, and this is a question,
it's not a statement. I have no knowledge of this.
I wonder if a daconing would actually ask, look like,
I'm happy to come. This will looks good, but I
need to know that whangon e Miller is staying.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
It's basically there's nothing to stop in contacting when Miller
and he's staying or not?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Do you know what I mean? Though? To your point,
like if the Coning was to come in and it's like,
how good we're getting to Coning. Oh, by the way,
Whangon e. Miller is gone Adelaide. If you're a good fan,
you'd be like, oh, that's sort of one step forward,
one step back. Whereas if they keep one and get
the other one, well look.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Within the game. I still though thought, what when it
was still available for Melbourne to win, notwithstanding their inability
to kick straight in front of goal? Why was he
allowed so much time and space it I'm not sure.
It's not like you're taking something tremendously. It's not like
a midfield of being taken out of the run of
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play and the structure of play. Having to tag Playing
a defensive forward on Wangon and Miller is no different
playing one on Dane Zorko and just acknowledging this is
where their game is set up and does it the
most damage. So why play tied to them? And this
isn't just a comment on some good because it's it's
common across the league that you don't do. It just
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befuddles me why you wouldn't go. He's the most dangerous player.
We need to be really tired on that guy. Because
the way he's some of the goals he set up.
He was one where he stepped inside on the wing
and then he's cut it across the the far half
forward flank to someone that he decided he was going
to be the person he was kicking to before that
player realized that he should even be available for that kick,
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like he worked out where the play was going before
anyone else on the field.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Does he remind you of anyone? I get shades of
I don't really want to say it, but I get
shades of someone now that I watch it more often,
won can Emula? Do you remind you of anyone at all?
At half back? He's got a little bit of Andrew
McLeod about him.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
No, No, I don't think that really. And McLoud to
me was a far more muscular physical.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
He glides like him there.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
He's got a bit of the glide than McLeod. McLeod
was more nuggety, and McLeod him out. McLeod could win
played in the midfield a lot.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
And I think this one could though that this is
the year.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
But he's not. He's not. He's not a combative. McLoud
was a more combative player, a tear.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, no, combative. You're probably You're probably right. But I
tell you what, when he gets the ball and takes off,
he said a little bit of that gate. He's just
got a little bit about that glide where he doesn't
his feet don't touch the ground for much.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Kick.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Oh, he's a better kick than Mcloudy.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
That's a wrap. Kicks it further.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, McLeod was a pretty good kick.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
He was a good kick.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
We'll take a break there, come back with quick questions.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
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Speaker 1 (37:11):
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Speaker 3 (37:14):
It'll feed out from Red Gray Shaw, so Kowski bray
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Speaker 4 (37:19):
Out of the either the needle.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
That is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Welcome back straight into quick Questions. Freeo knockover Gold Coast
in the wet up there away where Gold Coast has
been hard to beat. Are we now persuaded by them, Jake?
Are you persuaded?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
No? No, But I think it's a big win and
they've turned. Probably they copped a bit too much flak
for the loss to Collingwood when Collingwood, you know, the
front runner. So I think that justin longview. You know
has come through this rallied. They've rallied and they've got
enough talent to make the finals.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I think they're the most unpredictable team in footy, to
the point where they've got to buy this week and
I'm not sure what will happen.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I don't think they'll get the win. This has been
a perennial question since pre season. But how many wins
do we forecast for the Tigers?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
They are on three, they'll win five.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
They could well have won at the weekend too. Do
they go in favorite against Sydney?
Speaker 3 (38:18):
No, No, maybe they should.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
They should. Don't think they'll win.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
That maybe if they want three? Three, five?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, I think five. Does Bailey Smith do enough damage
with his possessions?
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I'll take this one.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I think this is one of the most ridiculous takes
that is going around in footy that Bailey Smith isn't
a great kick, because the fact is he's not, and
that I reckon. If you went through the ten best
midfielders of the last twenty five years, I reckon you'd
say maybe two or three of them are good kicks.
The fact is that a lot of the gun mids
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aren't great kicks. It's harder to be a good kick
than it is not So I think it's Bailey Smith.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Where you say it's a bad take, admitting he's a
bad kick, but saying still because so many other good
midfield is a bad kicks.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, I mean Patrick Cripps, Chris Jard and Nat five
one six brown loads between them. I'm not sure any
of those three guys would be considered good kick. Dangerfield
is not a great kick. Dangerfield's not a great kick.
Michael Voss wasn't a great kick.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Voss was a good kick.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Nathan Buckley, Nathan Buckley.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Was a really good kick. Is a good kick?
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Is a really good kick? Ablet was a neat kick?
Not many that not many great. Bonton Pelly is a good,
useful ki.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
He's a good kid.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
He's the outlier.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Will we ever see Dermitt Breton wearing a Bombers scarf
given that his partner's son has been drafted mid season?
May of course we will. Yeah, the monkey that that
will happen in the rooms. He will run through the
huddle at the room. Yeah, No, it's a nice little
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Subplotake cal Ward was addressed the the Jedoary West players
in the breaks after basically doing his knee and it's
an acl so.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Came out on the crutch.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I'm out on the crutches.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Inspirational, inspirational.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Where does it sit in your favorite inspirational speech question?
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Yeah, well I didn't hear it, but it's it's certainly
in recent years, in the last five years, it'd be
right up there from what I've heard. We had this
discussion on ABC Radio yesterday and I did raise it's
a favorite of yours, Sam the al Pacino any given Sunday.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
The inches we need, the inches.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
We we could every inch, inch by inch. But Ron
Barrassi at halftime in the nineteen seventy Grand Final, it's
pretty hard to beat handba handball, and they won from
forty four points behind and reinvented modern footy. And I
think that Kanker Kennedy. People say, don't think do that's famous,
but they actually got flogged. That was before the nine.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Seventy five Grand fik a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Yeah, they thought a bit too much and didn't do enough.
And yeah, I like Yabby Jeans. I like the shoes store.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I was about to say the shoes pay the price,
just pay through lice. You know there's about two boys
who yeah, yeah, one bought the cheap shoes and one
bought the expensive ones. But after a bit, obviously the
cheap shoes run out and get holes and pay the price.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
In a more didn't Kevin Sheedy? This is what I
didn't get to Kevin Sheedy. Didn't he at halftime in
the nineteen ninety three pro Then when they're forty points
down to Adelaide? Did he not bring out the footage
of the or talk about the guy who stood in
front of the tank at Tenneman Square.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Really yes, well sounds like sheds what about unfairly and
going to spew up? Terry doesn't quite like it? Yeah,
I also I do deal say like in a more
brutal and base sense. Lee Matthews grabbing Gavin Brown and
going to the at halftime, then going to the take
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dragging him to the race where Essendon we're going off
the ground and just yea to to Terry Danaher he's
going to be back. He's coming back. Gavin Brown didn't
know what ground he was on time.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
He'd be fine.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Now for that Jevin Brown to be in hospital, it
wouldn't just be sort of sticking there and potentially coming
away on Anyway, that's all we've got time for for
this week. Thanks to you both for coming along and
filling Carrow's seat quite uh. Thanks also for Channel seven
and Fox Footy for the audio we've used in this episode.
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This is the real Footy podcast coming up. The Swans
have slumped after a humbling by the rampant Crows. Discuss
what's gone wrong with Sydney and have a look at
the Hawks and what's happened to Hawkball. Discuss the changes
at AFL House and the breakout game of Nat Caddy,
as well as the inspirational speeches of football. All of
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that and mort right after this up as a kicking
of the middle.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
ROUSSELLI was a soccer fire and that was absolutely magnificent.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
O the Keys.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It deserves to go and.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
That's exactly what it gots right, will be the deep
target dams don there ty fights across climbs, it plays
on Russia ply from Caddy, get.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Everything right, Brian Amble over their head, just coughed it
up to a Sullivan and looking inboard. Smith has been
involved in absolutely everything. He's on fire, Bailey Smith dominating
this game.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh we welcome. My name is Michael Gleason and joining
me today Jake and Sam McClure. Welcome to you both.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Hell the Glease, Hello, Jake, Sam Glease.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Big weekend of footy. Jake the Swan's the Swan's well, yeah,
they certainly.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Weren't the bloods. Were they? They were bloodied rather than
bloods and very poor. But this season has been slowly
going off the cliff and it's now sort of like
the road runner. They've you know, wow, they've gone off
the cliff.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I think that they actually actually got back to about
round twenty one that put Adelaide last week. But you know,
ninety points last year was really the turning point for
them where they then limped into the final. You know,
they went through to the Grand Final, got smashed and
it's how much of this did you put down to
the psychology of a team that's also been belted in
a Grand Final, because they often take a while to recover.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I think the thing that struck me on the weekend
watching that game was and Dean Cox said after the
game that you know, the two thousand and five premiership
players that were there as part of the reunion were
uncompromising and desperate. They were the two words he used
to describe that group. And you know, ever since I've
been following footy and I remember those five and six
(02:16):
Grand Finals and the wars of attrition against West Coast.
That's how Sydney have always been you know, in different iterations. Yes,
but under Rus and then under Lomi, they were always
desperate and uncompromising. And they started the third quarter actually
quite well. They kicked for the first five goals, but
then once the floodgates opened, it was just so unlike
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the Sydney I've come to know and I know, but
you went back to that Grand Final, which I agree
that they now appear like a team that are easy
to get ahold of, which is an indictment on an
organization that has been anything.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
But that those teams had. You know, you've got Bolton,
Kirk Kennedy. They're not the blokes that are going to
allow attempt to just to continue to roll over you.
So when they had the capacity to just lock the
game up, if you've got to roll on, draw a
line that we'll make it into a slow stoppage, we'll
make it. Or more, we're not going to get rolled
(03:15):
over here, they didn't have that ability to close the
game down, even to stop the hemorrhaging of blood of
the Blood's jag.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah. Look, I'm kind of always a bit skeptical about
the cultural legacies of past teams. This is a new team.
This team got smashed in the Grand Final. They got
smashed by Port Adelaide. If you look go back over
last season, there were a lot of warning signs Before
that day. I was pretty confident that Brisbane would win
the win the Grand Final, just on the players they've got.
They've got a much better list than Sydney. No Callumn
(03:46):
Mills for a fair chunk, No Golden who's in the
top three players? No papily start with personnel. I always
think that we go to psychological explanations and cultural explanations,
go to personnel first. Personnel is weakened.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I agree with that bad the depth is weak. You've
still personnel can account to such to some point. But
now we've got to this stage at round twelve and
you go, look, yes, they've been missing those players. Personnel
can only account for so much when you lose that badly,
And yeah, okay McDonald, they've been struggling for a forward
as well. Absolutely other teams have been missing key personnel
(04:23):
and still been even if they've lost, been more competitive
than that. This wasn't a competitive game.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I guess what happens is, though you already shell shot
from the Grand Final, you have a raft of injuries
to some of your best players you don't have great depth,
which they didn't have. But the thing was last year
even the reliance on Heeney and Warner and Goulden was extreme.
I thought for a team that was there on Grand
Final days, I look at it, this is a thin
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team at the top. Credit to John long Might getting
them there. John LONGMI is one of his great achievements
is to get teams that weren't good enough in my view,
into the deciding game. And I don't think that's the
way history has been written.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Was asked after the game whether or not they also
had had they been training hard enough and then the
right way to reach the level that they should be
out He because maybe not. And there have been those
sorts of suggestions of some doubting whether or not they've
been cutting a few corners with a new coach, and
I think that now I'm not saying that's necessarily right,
(05:22):
but there's been that sort of rumble around and for
him to say, oh maybe, well, I think there'll be
a fairly renewed vigor in their training.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
There's tentacles everywhere in so far as the story here,
and I know that players often a lot going to
Sydney from Victoria because they escape a bit of the limelight.
Well they're escaping a little bit of the limelight now.
I mean if this was a calling with or a
Carlton or a Essen, you think about everything going on
at Sydney at the moment. Not only have they just
changed coaches, not only have they got injuries, but they've
(05:53):
got a captain that doesn't play much since he's been captain.
They've got guys who are getting suspended left, right and
center for really ill dissipate acts. And then you've got
a CEO who is being hunted by the AFL you know,
to be their number two essentially, and a chairman who
is making sounds. Depending on who you believe to potentially
be the successor.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Two, we could have the Swans just take over the
AIS to Richard Gouder.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So you know, imagine glease if you will, that you know,
in the next twelve months they lose a CEO and
a chairman with a brand new coach with a list
that people I guess are questioning at the top end.
I think they're a fascinating story of this one.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
And I don't forget Chad Warner. Yeah, Chad Warner's got
two years, but you wouldn't be necessarily confident that he
would be there. He's their second best player after Heney.
You wouldn't be confident that he would be there after
that period given the interest from Western Australia.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Also, Heeney and Warner didn't provide much of a resistance
of resistance when things got hard on the weekend.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
No, I think I think it's multi factored. But I
think I just want to put down that I don't
think their personnel is good enough, and no it's not,
but I think that when you get injuries to a
team that's not good enough.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
But as Gleise wrote in the paper during the week,
they did have fifteen players that played in that Grand Final.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And had that Grand Final time.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I understand that, but like to get there is still
a big achievement. Been a long time since Essendon or
carlm have been anyone.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Well, yes, but fifteen missing. One of those that fifteen playing.
One of those missing is Parker who was traded out.
They also brought in Taylor Adams who would have played
in the Grand Final back fore injury.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Still a decent team, Jake, I think you've given them
some outs here.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
No, I'm not giving them outs because one of my
outs is that I don't think that I don't think
they should have been in the ground. I don't think
they're good enough to be in the Grand Final.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
But they were the best team in the home and away season.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
They were for two thirds of the home and away season.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Then they were top.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
They finished on top. They were the best team.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Look at the second half of the year, but they
finished on top. Hey, you can be adamant about it.
I don't think they were the best team. You got
their own Grand Final day. How much did you think
they'd win the game?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I thought they'd get within eighty points.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
No, I didn't think. I thought it came.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Brisbane are a much more talented absolutely. Anyone who knows
anything about lists of clubs.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Well, I wonder if this dire situation they're in right
now informs Tom Harley's thinking as he's being approached great,
because they he's got his own family circumstances of wife's
job and kids and settled and good job, happy in
Sydney to think. So that's one element to it. There
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is this approach and it's the keen interest to think
that from the AFL, and you could look at it
and say, well, you're going there, but you can also
be the successor and take over as the head of
the AFL and the prestige and the money that comes
with that. But he's also going to have to consider
walking away from them a the time when there when
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he'd look at it and go, what what did I
leave them in?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
It's a bit like Brendan Gail though. I mean he
could have gone to the AFL if that had been
able to be negotiated in a better away. And and he,
you know, beating down of a new coach three flags.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Three flags, he has got that legacy. Tom Halliant SI
as far as not he's not the CEO informs those things.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
No, that's true. So look, it's a it's it's an
interesting way, just a just a common I think we
have to make is that there was another team that
they played that's pretty good and the Crows, and I
think that's excellent. The Adelaide Crows are a genuine premiership
threat in my view. I think they've got ballistic attacking abilities.
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They've got the best forward line of the game, yep,
but none Taylor Walker, I'm not even sure they need
Taylor Walker on that side. Foggerty I think is a
very good player, and Phil Thorpe is a rising star
of the competition, as well as Isaac Rankin Josh.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
When they lost to Collingwood. If or doesn't play that game,
they win that game.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I reckon. If you're Hollingwood, are your the Brisbane lines
and you're in the Grand Final? Do you want to
play the Adelaide Crows? I reckon?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
They be dangerous home or away? I reckon.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I think they're pretty dangerous anywhere. The way they can score.
They opened up Beason and by what they kicked, what
twenty five goals or something.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Rankin's ability now to transition to be a midfielder, which
was even internally at the Crows they were doubtful of
at the start of the year. They liked the idea
of him in the midfield because he created that X factor,
but his numbers weren't great as far as when you
when you when you looked at it at a granular level,
that the clearances he got as opposed to his opponent,
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what impacted he was having. Now he's swung that back
in his own direction. He's now really he's a disruptor,
and he's he's dynamic. He aids pace around that ball
as well, and he still just goes forward.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
And Jordan Dawson's their best player yep, and would have
to be one of the best chances to win the
Brown Low based on what I've seen.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, well Thorpe is also you know that, that's the
other thing they've got there til Thorpe is possible. Is
not only a very very good key forward, is probably
the best second ruck going around. I can't think of
too many that are better when you can throw him
into the second into the ruck because his tap workers
is as good as any and it sort of gets
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overlooked because he's so powerful up forward. How was that
Rochelle goal kick?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Not soccer outside of the would have been happy with that. Hey,
I know that I'm sitting in a seat that's often
occupied by Carrow, so far be it for me to
sort of steal her thunder here?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
But you're going to But it was just a weird.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Weekend of footy fixture wise. Yeah, one game in Victoria.
You know, I think I.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Think that's you. I think that's your You don't need
so much more than that. One game in Victoria.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Got home on on Saturday. I was looking forward to
a half competitive game of footy. I was. I was
trawling through Netflix if I'm if I'm ones at halftime
to wonder what else I watch?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
What did you watching?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I did end up watching the second half because I
feel like I've seen everything on Netflix. You know, It's
on the same weekend that the A League at its
all Melbourne Grand Final, which I know is a complete coincidence.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But it's not THEFL.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
It was unlike the AFL to leave leave the fixture
so open, and I just think we've got three more
weeks of this by nonsense. It really takes the air
out of the season, get rid of I just think
it's it makes for a really flat month of footy.
And it's also the irony is and speaking to some
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clubs over the weekend from a spectator's point of view,
the weather's just starting to get a bit colder around
the country. It's at a time where we're probably spending
a little bit more time at home footy if anything,
should be trying to go the other way and just
and thrive with you know, as big a games as
we can get now. Friday night ended up being a
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bit of a fizzer at the MCG, which was just pointing.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, Thursday night was better than expected.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Thursday night was pretty watchable. Yeah, and then I thought,
I thought, Sunday. I mean it was the longest wait
I've had on a Sunday, Yeah, waiting for three twenty
hours Springs Yeah, and then and then Geelong per Geelong
well because of the because of the holiday and Perth
so that at the night game.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It Yeah, I don't love the Sunday night.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
It wasn't a great It wasn't a great weekend to
be footy fan, was my was my point?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Felt I felt. I felt that Hawthorne let the round
down with their performance against Collingwood in the sense that
if that had been an epic game, we'd look at
this round very different.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, you can hold on to hope.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, agree, it was delivered. I thought the Gabba game
was really entertaining and it was in the web.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That was the surprising one.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I thought in spirit, I mean we'll get to this.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, and the same as I thought, you
know that can't be helped by them as well. Free
Matle Gold Coast in the Peeing Rain didn't make for
a great great comness. But before we move on to
those other guys, the other big news out of last
week was this, which we touched on with Tom Harley,
This shake up at AFL house. What do we make
of that we haven't had a chance to talk about it.
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It can't be seen to be anything other than either
a demotion or a dilution of Laura Kine's position. And
when I say Laura Kaye's position, as opposed to being
a comment on Laura Kine, the position has been the
job title. Stephen Meade moves off the executive and has
a lot of things that they want to do without
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having without actually having anyone.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
To do them well to understand getting this story up
first all. Secondly, I think this was Andrew Dillon's best
week as AFLA in that he had something that he
hasn't fully had, which is inevitable when you take over
from a charismatic predecessor is authority, and whether the change
work or whether they don't, he put his imprint on
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the competition. Really for the first time, this felt like
it was his decisions, his people. Laura Kane. You know,
obviously there's been a lot said and written about that.
I don't want to go over we can go into
that a bit, but clearly you know that's a demotion
and Tanya Hosh they'd been trying to navigate an exit
there for some time and he got that done. That's
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something that didn't happen for quite a long time at
the AFL, and that's now been done. I think that
the Stephen Meade one's probably the intriguing one, where I
would say that while this was his best week, the
clubs will feel empowered and that the clubs have gotten
some things that they wanted. So the power of that.
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I don't know what you think, Sam or I.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Agree on that, and I think that that was a
weird thing with Stephen meat at the time when they're
confronting attack litigation on concussion, that they move the AFL's
senior lawyer in the council off the execus and handover
integrity and other matters too, and as yet un the
income non appointed COO, who's unlikely from you know, I
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had to have the same sort of legal background and
understanding of steam met So yes, okay, Andrew's Andrew Dillon's
the CEO with a legal background coming out of that,
but that seemed an unusual and odd thing for me,
And I think that you're right that it feels like
maybe it was the sop to the clubs, but that's
might just be a bit too emboldening to the clubs
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that they can dictate terms.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
The clubs have felt locked out and they've shaken their
fists at what's going on in the executive and to
a degree they've gotten their way. But I think Andrew Dillon,
rather than closeting his executives, has in a sense you
could argue Sam that he sided with the clubs. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I think there's probably two very different ways to look
at it, two sides of the same coin, and one
is that it's a bit of a mess when you're
rebuilding on the run, which has happened midway through a season,
very unlike the AFL to shuffle its executive team halfway
through a year, so they look disorganized, to be quite
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frank that's now. It's one side of it, that's the
cynical side, and the other one is to the point
that you guys were touching on, is that they finally
listened to the clubs and they've actually made change. And yes,
it may look like a shot in the foot optics
wise for a couple of weeks. But at least they're
doing something about it. So yeah, there's one cynical perspective
and there's one more positive.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I also think it's easy to look at it as
its correct that he listened to the clubs. I think
Andrew finally listened to those that have been advising him
for some time to say you've got to act here
or you're going to go down with other underperforming executive
team members. And that's what he's been that's advice he
had been given, and he was holding back, pulling back,
resisting change. And then they had a horror few weeks
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and realized enough enough, I'm not going down. I'm putting
my stamp on this organization. And then he made He
was probably in some way slow to act, but when
he acted, he acted very strongly and made those changes.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And they've had a problem in football operations because the
football operations jobs, as I've pointed out before, it has been shrunken. Basically.
That's the process started under Demetrio with Adrian Anderson, and
when Gillan became the heir apparent as the commercial person
as the broadcast person they demoted that that portfolio, but
it's got a high public profile and it deals a
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lot with the clubs.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
On that.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
We'll take a break, come back and talk more about
the Pies and the Hawks and Brisbane and the Dons.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
We're online all the time, just search age real footy
on Facebook or Twitter.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
We all studied the terrain. I ended up going backwards.
We've got it all blonde coming through mctas with the Finnishenter.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Welcome back, jacib. We touched on it before. But Hockball
and the Pies, what happened to Hockball.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Well, it was I've used this line before, but it
was ad hockball. There wasn't a lot of there wasn't
a lot of system and now they went forward. Interestingly enough,
Hawthorne won the clearances by ten or twelve and the
contested ball by about that number, which was pretty much
the clearance difference. But the clearances were junk and though
a lot of them were rushed, kicked up in the air,
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and Collingwood on transition, we're just lethal. They had a mismatch.
So I don't think Sam Mitchell, you know, he's got
a lot of you know, he's had a lot of
success last year. There's the Hawthorne family firmly behind him,
but he didn't have the best game. If you look
at the matchup of battle on Jamie Elliott, how did
that go?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
You see, he's a hard matchup in fans, not to
penickx Ham. But it's not the first time that Jamie
Elliott has torn. Yeah he has been stopped, but he's
a half match up.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
So yeah, but they were not they're tackling. The most
disappointing thing here is the is the tackling count, which
is two weeks against the Brisbane lines and then against
Collingwood has been what in the high thirties and Collingwood
well what eighty or eighty eight or something, eighty four whatever,
it was a lot. That was the biggest difference in
the game is that Collingwood players put pressure on Hawthorne.
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Hawthorne cough the ball up, Collingwood transition and move the
ball with these The.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Thing I know you guys watched the piles closely. The
thing that just stands out for me watching this team
in the last few years, like they're just winners that
even the year that you know they people criticizing them.
Was it the year that they made the Grand Final
that they are they were winning so many close games,
you know, there was this kind of like this theory
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that well they were just getting a little bit lucky
that all these had eight games decided by the listener
goal and they won seven of them or whatever the
stat was. But for a sport that we concentrate so
much on system and culture and optic and they're just
a group of winners, glease, they find ways to win.
And I'm not positive they've got a very talented list,
I'm not. And yet the way that they play for
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each other, whether McCrae is a great tactician or whether
he's a great motivator or he's a bit of both,
it's something very special is happening at this footy club.
Everything they did on the weekend against Hawthorne, every time
they touched it something it seemed to turn to gold.
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, I think in modern footy there aren't many great
lists because of the restrictions of building a list.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
But Billy Frampton's playing at one end and Tim Membery's
playing at the other. Now that's no disrespect to either
of those guys, but neither Port, Adelaide, Norse and Kilda
wore that unhappy to lose either of those players.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Or Adelaide previously with Billy as well.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Sorry Adelaide as well. But and yet they're both playing
at Key. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
No, no, you're right and interestingly, and this is one
that will be a query, that will be a question
asked if Colin would over the next few months. Is
they used Billy Frampton as second ruck on against Marby
or chol so he was playing on him as a
forward when he was a forward and ChIL went into
the uck and he went in and second ruck. Now
with McStay coming back, he probably does that. He probably
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is the second ruck. He hasn't been that good as
a second ruck.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
You're putting a line through Mason Cox.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
No, he played well on the weekend, but he has
been poor. He's had a poor season when playing in
the AFL. They need someone like that, but then they
get then they have a selection career of well if
Cox comes in because they need a second ruck and
it wouldn't surprise me if he plays against Melbourne because
of Gorne that that they look at, well, can we
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then have if Cox is in there, can we play
with McStay and Mayer check and Memory probably.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I'd say every team carries a few players, and Collingwood
a player. Is Memory going to be in their best
side when McStay is there? Maybe maybe not. I would
say that one of the defining features of Collingwood is
that their average ages of the team that's running out
there is over twenty eight. It's the oldest team possibly
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we've seen close to it. They are extremely experienced and
they seem to know what they're doing in the theme song,
they know how to play the game. Well, that's that's them.
They've got a lot of people who know what they're
doing in these type situations and indeed just in general play,
the decision making is very good. And that's like Perryman's
a good footballer, Like he's not a star, but he's coming.
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He's a very good footballer, and so is Dan Houston.
So they've got They don't have superstars like say some
other clubs are outside of Dekos and Pendlebrees are fading
superstar but still a very good leader out on the field.
I think they're big edges. They have the best player leadership.
I think if you looked at Essington going through this
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whole journey to try and find leaders. Some of these
clubs that have floundered with leaders Colin would have got
an embarrassed not ambarrassment of leaders. But they've got a
lot Jeremy who, They've.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Got more decos how Penleburry, side Bottom, Maynard.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Yeah, but even but even even asp Crisp, even you know,
Jamie Elliott has gone with the leadership group this year. Now,
I wonder if that's had an effect on.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
His fat possibly. Well, I think one of the things
that you say leadership, Yeah, that's one thing, and that
is a partly productive experience. You have a more mature team.
But that mature team you're talking about star fact that
still side Bottom is playing as well, is as well
as he has played. He's playing right now. I know
you'll do it later in this week for mid Year
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All Australian. I would have steel side Bottom in the
All Australian squad at least or on the somewhere there.
Definitely Jamie Elliott would have to be one of the
first pick. So he's sitting just under Jeremy Cameron now
in the Common Medal.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Do you know, Glease, he's never kicked forty goals in
the season.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Jamily, No, well, he's often had injurystand but like it's
amazing he's on thirty three now to your board, completelyused him.
Now he's going to get pick up an injury touching
all sorts of but the other thing. And so we
will move on from this in a second. But I
did like the fact that what was a bit of
a tedious last quarter to watch was actually part of
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that maturity and experience which McCray touched on, which I
thought was really clever that they I think they were
acutely aware of that comeback game last year against Hawthorne
when hard we went forward and kicked five and Hawthorne
lost by a goal, but it felt like Hawthorne had
won the game. So they proached that last court and
basically tried to suck the oxygen out of the game
by chipping the ball around, soak up some time on
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the clock and basically leave Hawthorne with no time to
have to have to chase and run to to cover
all these uncontested marks and then lose time to be
able to make any sort of meaningful comeback. And while
it became tedious to watch, it was actually really smart
sort of gamesmanship. But yeah, I looked at Pies and going, well,
I think Hawks he can't underestimate Day's absence of Sicily's form,
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drop Deer being missing from up forward, even though you
know it was only a he was a surprise packet
last year, but they haven't had it eighting for one
game you go drop Gunstan's up and down?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
So what about Sam? What about the getting the game
style and the met that worked down a bit? Because
when you have these upstart teams that come out of
nowhere and that take the competition by storm as orf
the Hockball Hawks, did you get a lot more scrutiny
from the one hundred and fifty coaches that are in
the AFL system.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, I'm still a little bit more glass half fall
on the Hawks, if I'm honest. I still think they're
finding their best footy. I think that Battle and Brass,
you know, started really well. They've had a bit of
a lapse. I think they'll come good and they've you know,
they've hit issues with their forward line. You know, Watson
still a little bit of a wall and Ginivan had
a really good first half, but you know he hasn't
been a player that we thought he might be all season.
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I think that the Hawks will find their way. I
still think they'll They'll be there.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Absolutely. They're a young team. You know, they did a
lot of young, no doubt. It's just that the hope
that from all of the momentum they had in the
second half of last year, just driving into finals and
playing such exciting footy. It's not that they're losing us
that the excitement and the dare has gone in their game.
The way they were just playing and with speed and
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the electric ball movement, we haven't seen it as much now.
Is that because of some of that personnel, or is it,
as you say, Jake, that coaches have gone to work
on them particularly I mean the record against the better
teams now I think it's one four against five against
the eight teams. That does say well, maybe the better
teams have worked out a structure and the.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Captain looks frustrated Jake as well. Look, the temperament of
James Siciley has to be questioned.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Well, I wonder and this is just a question and
I haven't asked Sam mitche all this, but or any
Rob McCartney this. It would be interesting to know what
they think has sicily been affected by getting not Brass
or Battle, but the combination of getting both of them
because he played as a sort of de facto key defender.
He was an intercepting player. But has he been sort
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of has his role been compromised behind the ball to
the point that they're shifting him forward.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Early grass does, isn't it. He's certainly the sort of
intercept guy maybe, and Scripture has sort of been injured
and up and in and out as well, and it
will still be good.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Like I think it just felt like if Colin had
got the ball forward in this game, they're going to score.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah felt it's yeah, you mentioned it earlier Jacob Brisbane
and Cadie that was a coming of age game and
it's the one that he looked at him and thought
is he the best? We discussed this off earlier. Jake
is the most talented Essendon player in two decades to
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be drafted by the club. Merit possibly, but you know
it's the best before. Probably an athletic talent.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
He's a lot of Charlie Curner about him.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, a lot. I'd be interesting to see them play
in the difference in height playing against it. So he's
playing against he.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Plays tall like Charlie's not. You stand next to Charlie,
you always get it. Like I I spoke tore All
talk about it major, Well, yeah, but I stood next
to Ned Long and he's he's one hundred and ninety
four and he looked every bit of it. He was
like Jonathan Brown or crips. He was, I'm like, jee,
this guy's big and he's a midfielder. And you stand
next to Charlie Curner, go, he's not that tall. He
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doesn't look any taller than than then Bottom Pelley when
you're standing next to him. He's similar. He's not one
of these but one plus guys. But because he plays
toy plot beats guys that are doing with three inches taller.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
He's box office caddy. That's what he is. He's going
to take Essenon fans on the journey with him.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
And it's not going to be it's not going to
be even is it.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
No, it's not. But but like and they'll still have
they'll have bad games. You know, they will probably have
another thrashing between now on the end of the year potentially.
But I think while Essendon fans have seeing the growth
of the likes of Caddy. He's a sort of bloke
which takes you on the journey, you know, like this was.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
The game, the sort of game though, Okay, Caddie has
the breakout, but this was the sort of game where
they're so undermanned that it's a really it's one of
those sort of culture defining win performances, not a win
performances by a team to go up to the Gabba
play the Raginning Premium, admittedly one off a five day
break up in the last quarters really showing some ticker
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with the players they had out and that was a
bloody good performance.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
It felt not a not a turning point game, but
it felt like if you're an Essendon fan and all
the essen fans, I know that we're comedy on the game.
We're like, they're very happy despite the loss. The five
day break is certainly a factor that should be for Brisbane,
that should be put into that. I think that the
injuries we didn't play out as badly as I thought
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they would for this simple reason. A wet ball game,
the loss of Mackay to the back line and the
loss even of having not having Ridley and there was
one other tall player down there that they normally have
that was absent or they didn't have a They don't
have either of Jones as well, and I don't have
either of their red right, so Reid, who's been tremendous
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this year, wasn't there, along with a lot and they
had LaVerdi playing as a key position player. But it
worked out quite well because it was a groundball game
and they got this very spirited rebound and I felt
that the ground ball game they got a better outcome
in a way. So I'm not sure that the injuries
was but what I thought was more important was the
way they fought back because previous essienent terms just roll
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over and get beaten by eighty points.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
We've been critical of the many things really, but of
the Saints that this was. This was a good performance
from the Saints in Darwin and d and in our springs.
Melbourne's Melbourn's been well perform there a middle. I think
Melbourne kicked themselves to death seven twenty No, No, that's
pretty hard. One twelve half to halftime.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah, one eleven one twelve yeah, Look, you're right, two
different stories. Melbourne were putrid, particularly in front of goal,
and the Saints were economic and you know they've also
got a player who is now arguably, you know, alongside
Marcus Bontepelli, the most wanted signature and footy in Wangane Miller.
(32:30):
He's everything that any recruiter wants. You know, it can
hurt you off half back. He's got run and carry,
he's got some X factor, good kick, he's a beautiful kick.
And you think Glease and Jake about the top ten
picks that this club has wasted in the last decade.
You know, if he was to leave on the back
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of Battle leaving last year, it would be such a
knife through the heart of that club.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
You know, like, well, who's more important TDK, Tom to
Conning going getting there.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Today?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
So you think about you know Clark and Coffield. You
know King was the top five pick and is always injured, Billings,
you know mccarton. Yeah, these these top line picks that
haven't worked out well. Any recruiter with the Salt will
tell you that once you get access to the top
ten picks, you have to nail them. They were criticize
(33:26):
heavily and that draft, if you remember not taking Josh
sin it was a local sandring hand boy that that
grew up down the road and he was taken the
next pick at Port Adelaide. It looks like a pretty
good pick now. But if they were to lose him, glease,
you know.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
It's harder to attract players normally than keep players. They
should be. Yeah, like losing him would be as you say,
it's a net loss if they lose him and bring
in t DK. The loss. I think they probably loss
of him is more important.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Than their their inverted commons confidence of keeping him. Yeah,
but I guess we'll we'll. He hasn't signed yet, and
the interest from west of the border because he's not
he's not going to He's going to add a lo
a Port Adelaide if he leaves. But you have they
have to keep him, and.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Just on that. On that point, and this is a question,
it's not a statement. I have no knowledge of this.
I wonder if a daconing would actually ask, look like,
I'm happy to come. This will looks good, but I
need to know that whangon e Miller is staying.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
It's basically there's nothing to stop in contacting when Miller
and he's staying or not?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Do you know what I mean? Though? To your point,
like if the Coning was to come in and it's like,
how good we're getting to Coning. Oh, by the way,
Whangon e. Miller is gone Adelaide. If you're a good fan,
you'd be like, oh, that's sort of one step forward,
one step back. Whereas if they keep one and get
the other one, well look.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Within the game. I still though thought, what when it
was still available for Melbourne to win, notwithstanding their inability
to kick straight in front of goal? Why was he
allowed so much time and space it I'm not sure.
It's not like you're taking something tremendously. It's not like
a midfield of being taken out of the run of
(35:11):
play and the structure of play. Having to tag Playing
a defensive forward on Wangon and Miller is no different
playing one on Dane Zorko and just acknowledging this is
where their game is set up and does it the
most damage. So why play tied to them? And this
isn't just a comment on some good because it's it's
common across the league that you don't do. It just
(35:33):
befuddles me why you wouldn't go. He's the most dangerous player.
We need to be really tired on that guy. Because
the way he's some of the goals he set up.
He was one where he stepped inside on the wing
and then he's cut it across the the far half
forward flank to someone that he decided he was going
to be the person he was kicking to before that
player realized that he should even be available for that kick,
(35:55):
like he worked out where the play was going before
anyone else on the field.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Does he remind you of anyone? I get shades of
I don't really want to say it, but I get
shades of someone now that I watch it more often,
won can Emula? Do you remind you of anyone at all?
At half back? He's got a little bit of Andrew
McLeod about him.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
No, No, I don't think that really. And McLoud to
me was a far more muscular physical.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
He glides like him there.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
He's got a bit of the glide than McLeod. McLeod
was more nuggety, and McLeod him out. McLeod could win
played in the midfield a lot.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
And I think this one could though that this is
the year.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
But he's not. He's not. He's not a combative. McLoud
was a more combative player, a tear.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, no, combative. You're probably You're probably right. But I
tell you what, when he gets the ball and takes off,
he said a little bit of that gate. He's just
got a little bit about that glide where he doesn't
his feet don't touch the ground for much.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Kick.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Oh, he's a better kick than Mcloudy.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
That's a wrap. Kicks it further.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, McLeod was a pretty good kick.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
He was a good kick.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
We'll take a break there, come back with quick questions.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
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Speaker 1 (37:11):
Hand it up, can't we try to go and get it.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
It'll feed out from Red Gray Shaw, so Kowski bray
Shaw all.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Out of the either the needle.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
That is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Welcome back straight into quick Questions. Freeo knockover Gold Coast
in the wet up there away where Gold Coast has
been hard to beat. Are we now persuaded by them, Jake?
Are you persuaded?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
No? No, But I think it's a big win and
they've turned. Probably they copped a bit too much flak
for the loss to Collingwood when Collingwood, you know, the
front runner. So I think that justin longview. You know
has come through this rallied. They've rallied and they've got
enough talent to make the finals.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I think they're the most unpredictable team in footy, to
the point where they've got to buy this week and
I'm not sure what will happen.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I don't think they'll get the win. This has been
a perennial question since pre season. But how many wins
do we forecast for the Tigers?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
They are on three, they'll win five.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
They could well have won at the weekend too. Do
they go in favorite against Sydney?
Speaker 3 (38:18):
No, No, maybe they should.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
They should. Don't think they'll win.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
That maybe if they want three? Three, five?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, I think five. Does Bailey Smith do enough damage
with his possessions?
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I'll take this one.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I think this is one of the most ridiculous takes
that is going around in footy that Bailey Smith isn't
a great kick, because the fact is he's not, and
that I reckon. If you went through the ten best
midfielders of the last twenty five years, I reckon you'd
say maybe two or three of them are good kicks.
The fact is that a lot of the gun mids
(38:52):
aren't great kicks. It's harder to be a good kick
than it is not So I think it's Bailey Smith.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Where you say it's a bad take, admitting he's a
bad kick, but saying still because so many other good
midfield is a bad kicks.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, I mean Patrick Cripps, Chris Jard and Nat five
one six brown loads between them. I'm not sure any
of those three guys would be considered good kick. Dangerfield
is not a great kick. Dangerfield's not a great kick.
Michael Voss wasn't a great kick.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Voss was a good kick.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Nathan Buckley, Nathan Buckley.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Was a really good kick. Is a good kick?
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Is a really good kick? Ablet was a neat kick?
Not many that not many great. Bonton Pelly is a good,
useful ki.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
He's a good kid.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
He's the outlier.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Will we ever see Dermitt Breton wearing a Bombers scarf
given that his partner's son has been drafted mid season?
May of course we will. Yeah, the monkey that that
will happen in the rooms. He will run through the
huddle at the room. Yeah, No, it's a nice little
(39:51):
Subplotake cal Ward was addressed the the Jedoary West players
in the breaks after basically doing his knee and it's
an acl so.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Came out on the crutch.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I'm out on the crutches.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Inspirational, inspirational.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Where does it sit in your favorite inspirational speech question?
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Yeah, well I didn't hear it, but it's it's certainly
in recent years, in the last five years, it'd be
right up there from what I've heard. We had this
discussion on ABC Radio yesterday and I did raise it's
a favorite of yours, Sam the al Pacino any given Sunday.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
The inches we need, the inches.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
We we could every inch, inch by inch. But Ron
Barrassi at halftime in the nineteen seventy Grand Final, it's
pretty hard to beat handba handball, and they won from
forty four points behind and reinvented modern footy. And I
think that Kanker Kennedy. People say, don't think do that's famous,
but they actually got flogged. That was before the nine.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Seventy five Grand fik a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Yeah, they thought a bit too much and didn't do enough.
And yeah, I like Yabby Jeans. I like the shoes store.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I was about to say the shoes pay the price,
just pay through lice. You know there's about two boys
who yeah, yeah, one bought the cheap shoes and one
bought the expensive ones. But after a bit, obviously the
cheap shoes run out and get holes and pay the price.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
In a more didn't Kevin Sheedy? This is what I
didn't get to Kevin Sheedy. Didn't he at halftime in
the nineteen ninety three pro Then when they're forty points
down to Adelaide? Did he not bring out the footage
of the or talk about the guy who stood in
front of the tank at Tenneman Square.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Really yes, well sounds like sheds what about unfairly and
going to spew up? Terry doesn't quite like it? Yeah,
I also I do deal say like in a more
brutal and base sense. Lee Matthews grabbing Gavin Brown and
going to the at halftime, then going to the take
(41:56):
dragging him to the race where Essendon we're going off
the ground and just yea to to Terry Danaher he's
going to be back. He's coming back. Gavin Brown didn't
know what ground he was on time.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
He'd be fine.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Now for that Jevin Brown to be in hospital, it
wouldn't just be sort of sticking there and potentially coming
away on Anyway, that's all we've got time for for
this week. Thanks to you both for coming along and
filling Carrow's seat quite uh. Thanks also for Channel seven
and Fox Footy for the audio we've used in this episode.
If you'd like to get a touch, you can do
so via email Real Footy pod at the Age dot
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