June 23, 2025 • 40 mins
The Blues are once again in turmoil following a disappointing loss to North Melbourne. This week on the Real Footy podcast, Michael Gleeson, Jake Niall and Caroline Wilson discuss the winds of change blowing through the Blues. They also debate tagging tactics, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan's mending of relationships at the Western Bulldogs and the mooted return of State of Origin footy. Plus, they identify the one team that might be the sleeping giant in this year's race for the finals.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Real Footy podcast Coming up. The Blues
find themselves in more Bob after losing to North Melbourne.
We ask what it means for the future of coach
Michael Voss and changes at Princess Park, tagging tactics around
to the spotlight. The Bulldogs welcome back Jamara hugil Hagen
and a key sun Shuns offers to return home to
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Melbourne so we can stay on the Gold Coast.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
All of that and more. Right after this.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Kicks hits on fifty for the Giants, We're Cardi part
the back, close down Toby, that's a n tumbles to
kick go for.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Josh Kakos, still the hill at the past Alien Niche Kakos,
the cheers he who checked Nick Half afternoon, Michael Voss
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reading the right act to his Blues. They trial by
forty six points.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Our good lip, Rad to do your role.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Hell I'll welcome. My name is Michael Gleason and joining
me today at Jake Nile and Caroline Wilson, welcome to
you both.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Good morning everyone and interesting round Carolyn.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Glutz fascinating round only won, really good game. A couple
of well no that's not true, Cup.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
The Expansion Cup was a great game and actually Brisbane's
performance against Geelong captivated me. Well done on breaking the
Matt Rowl story, Michael, thank you. We told everyone that
he was staying. At the start of the year. There
was a lot of talk he might end up at Geelong, but.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well Geelong because particularly because he was known to have
met with some clubs last year that he met with.
But he met with several of them, and he met
with Luke beveryge and he met with Craig McCrae and
Chris Scott, but they weren't the only clubs. Essendon and
Sekilda were all very interested. But it was really down
to if he was to go, it would have been
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basically I think Colin would or or the Bulldogs were
the two that he was very impressed with. Luke Beverigeon,
but he wondered to stay. So it's a good sign
for a good sign for the Suns.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Not very good signs for Carlton. You lead your four
point you lead your four points column on the Blues
this week. You've all but predicted that Michael Voss will
not be there.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I would be surprised at.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
The start of next year, but You've also been quite
definitive that Carton will not do the old Carton and
second mid season. Why are you so convinced of that.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
People I've spoken to there, I don't think that there's
any I don't think they think there's any benefit in
making those sorts of changes right now. Now. They're not
saying that that's going to happen either. They're not saying
that Voss has gone or anything like that. Those decisions
haven't been made. But I just don't see that sort
of change happening in the immediate sense.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
What's your view, Jake, I don't say this.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I don't think from conversations I had over the journey.
I haven't spoken to a senior person. Yesterday I was off,
but I'd be surprised if it was done before the
end of the year. I'd be very surprised. But the
only thing I'd say is you do have to position
for assistant coaches sometimes, and I think changes will be
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made in the assistant coaching ranks and possibly elsewhere in
the footy department. Voss, I think is a genuinely open question,
because there's cases there's a good case for, there's a
case against. There's also the question comes into it, which
it has at Carlton in the past, of who's available
and who's available. The only thing I'd say with Graham right,
Graham right is not necessarily the person that will just say, oh,
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he's John Longmile, let's hire John longmye. If you look
at what happened at Collingwood when he had that decision
after Nathan Buckley, that was done mid season, that was
a much worse position that Collingwood was in relative to
their talent than Carlton. And he'd been there much much longer.
He's in his tenth year and he is out of contract,
and he was out of contract. So Voss has a
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contract and I think there is going to be a
counter There's going to be an interesting discussion.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I think one more year after this, yes.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
So there's going to be an interesting discussion of can
Carlton culturally do this after all the carnage they've had
with paying out coaches. Is that going to compromise or
are they going to make a decision saying if we
don't think he's the right person, we have to do it.
So it's a really intriguing call. To me. I'm not
going to call it right now which way it will go,
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except that it will happen at the end of that
decision we made officially, at least at the end of
the season.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Some of those things can also and I'm not saying
that what the payout would be, but a lot of
them more the newer contracts are capping payments for coaches.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So I don't think Michael Voss is I reckon he'll
get the year. That's my understanding. I could be wrong,
but I think the wealthier clubs are very happy to
give them the time. And Carlton is still a wealthy club.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
He got that contract after the preliminary final appearance, did
he not? I think he did. He got that extension,
so I don't like it on it So I think,
really there's a few options here for the Blues and
for Rob Priestley on the board and Graham. Right, if
Brian Cook was still there, what do you think, Caro,
I think he would be more obligated to stick with
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Michael Voss.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, I know, Well, no, I don't. I don't think that.
I don't think that. I mean, Brian Cook does have
a history of sticking with coaches, but he sticks with
the ones who he thinks are capable of getting somewhere.
I think probably my personal view is Graham Right, whatever
he's going to do is already made up his mind
to the ninety percent, and I don't think it looks
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great for Michael Boss. But I think that that is
just one of a raft of changes. And again I don't,
I don't. I'm not getting any information here, but the
footy department is not working well he's.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I think what we will see is that the handover
from Brian Cook to Graham Right was supposed to be October.
I think it'll be a bit more advanced than that
to to allow changes that will be made to be made.
Now that's not to suggest that Brian cooks an impediment
to that, but it is probably the moment of saying, Okay,
we're ready to make these these various changes, and there
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will be change. I mean they just there just will be.
Now where who that who that is and who that's
limited to? Look, there's there. Grahame Rights spent basically the
year as the facto conducting with virtually a review of
the footing department. Yeah, because he's coming learning and yeah,
nobody's been. He's been learning the CEO stuff, but he's
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also been very heavily focused on footing. He's been basically,
you know, looking at that and looking at how they
structure that and who who are the right people. Now,
there will be changes within that, but contracts will come
into it, which which coaches, which assistant coaches, which you know,
list manager recruiters are contracted and where, and so they'll
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look at those. But there will be changed within that,
and that'll happen before the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
The other thing here is we're focusing on voss, but
there will be big calls made on players and I
think that that actually might be the the more intriguing
outcome here because they could do who knows what they
could do. I think it's a very simple equation. You say, well,
change the coach and change some assistant coaches. Well that's
that's pretty straightforward. But chie to be a hell of
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a call to say, Okay, we're going to trade I'm
saying this for argument's.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Sake, We're going to trade Harry McKay.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Harry McKay, or we're going to trade Sam Wise.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Who would have had a lot more draft value last
year when Melbourne came to get him. Weren't they.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I think he'd still have read value.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well, they weren't came to trade him for Petrarca. That
came up, and that came as a as a discussion point.
I don't think they wanted to trade Petrarca for if
they didn't, did they? No, No, I could have got
that deal done m Carlton.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
But at some point they're going to have to bite
the bullet on the one of the well.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I mean big five or six, we're then I'll lose
to Conning. I think that likely, not more likely than not,
they'll lose lose to Conning. Not certainty, but the way
it's going.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But there are some other elements playing in the performance
you've got. McKay has been has been in and out
of the team with injuries and other issues that have
kept him out. Kerno had was three surgeries differently over
the over the off season, staggered throughout the off season,
so he was he only just got to the line
to play early in the season, so he's not been
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fully fit either.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
All.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, and they're there are two sort of strengths as
those two guys up forward, but the game itself needs
to be addressed some of these decisions, as you say,
Mikaile will tom to Coney will be taken. You know,
they won't be there Carlton's decisions. They'll they'll be the
player's decisions. The problem they have in seeking to rebuild
right now is that this is a terrible draft, and
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in one sense that's a good thing that they traded
Jagger Smith last year. They traded this his first round
pick to get Smith. So they've already got this, hope,
hopefully elite talent that a.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
First round pick still a first round pick.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, but there's a lot of other players that will
push those picks around. Now they'll get a first round
pick if de Coning leaves, and so they'll have something
there now. You can either use that or trade it
either to clubs for more picks for points, or you
can trade it for another player. They're an attractive club
still to go to, notwithstanding some of the stuff that's
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been going on. They are still a destination club.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
For plays, well extraordinarily and they've had, you know, the
off field year has been dreadful as well. They've had
you know, it's been touch with scandal, you know, several times.
They still managed to get over one hundred thousand members
a team that doesn't have one hundred thousand members, and
we just should mention is North Melbourne. That was a
ninety plus point turnaround from the good Friday debarc Jake
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and unfortunately North didn't quite really put them away as
it looked like they were going to at three quarter time.
But we should acknowledge that they they have had a
great six weeks North Melbourne since that draw with Brisbane.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, and not only that, but it is interesting for
the criticism of the Perth deal and I don't like
the selling of the game to Fremantle as a concept.
I don't like home teams essentially getting an extra game
through a financial arrangement at their home ground with travel.
But the word out of North strongly is that this
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has been a bonding exercise and that the players have
gotten closer together and this is actually their benefiting from
that for to take.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So many boxes two and a half million dollars, the
AFL have been able to appease the two wa clubs
by giving them an extra home game. North aren't going
to do much anyway this year. Yes, if Fremantle just
get in and say the Bulldogs or Gold goes just
missing out.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Will be a controversy.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
So, but they've got so many disadvantages of wester his
training clubs. I just think of all the compromises footy makes,
this is a pretty good one.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
If you're going to do it, if you're going to
let it to him, get it. Five ended up with
thirteen games in their state, nine out of their state.
The WA teams are the ones.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, and they don't have to gather around. I mean
they don't have opening round.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
But more specifically to the footy they've been playing. The
way they've been playing has been really impressive. And you know,
I'll be critical of the recruiting of Daniel and Parker
and Darling for it.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Has been good.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah. Yeah, Parker, I don't like I'm not sure where
the Daniel and Numb and Darling recruitments take you. Yeah,
that Parker I can see because there.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Were moments, you know, when it got a bit iffy,
you know, in the game on the weekend, when I
thought he really stood up and showed a lot of leadership.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Mccurr wh is he's talented.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
He's a talent and he would be high on the
Tasmania target list.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So and George Wordler who was who was sat down
for the last quarter given these injury history.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And Clarko dropped a couple of players Griffin Lowe included
to try and get a better defensive response, and it's
seems to have worked. So it's because they held Carlton
and Pink you wouldn't expect Yeah, yeah, all the Tybee
Pink sort of a new cult figure. And he kept
Charlie Curno goalless. And he's held Tom Lynch, he's held
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Logan Morris to nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You know, they're heading towards in a couple of weeks
here big hundredth anniversary game against the Bulldogs. It wouldn't
expect them to win, but they're going in with a
lot more momentum than they were a month ago exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
But this is sort of what I hope they'd be
they should have. I mean, there's another way of looking
at this. We're looking at this as I have completely
underachieved in this game. But then you start to look
at the actual midfield players. Does Car'ton have anyone like
Luke Davies unia he can explode away from the stoppage,
do they No, No, they don't. Do they have someone like,
you know, you start to go through the Harry Sheesel's
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a ball mag that like some of the talent that
North have got is better than some of the Carlton talent.
It's just not as mature. Yeah, I think that's something
that's going to be lost in all this.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Harry Cheesel moved forward too, He's moved all around, and
it's the early criticisms.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
He's very backable Treasury Bond, isn't he as a player?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah? So Carlton, I mean the point of this game
because you can still look at Carton and say they're
sitting tenth. You know, why why are we talking so
dramatically about them? Well, there are two games outside the
eight they've lost to the side that's finished bottom two
for the last five years. It doesn't it's it's difficult
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to see from this point here how Carlton recovers.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Just so one thing too, Sam Walsh might be the
most important player when you look at what they don't
have and what they do have.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Well, right now it seems like Jagger Smith's the most
important player and he's yet to play a game.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Poor Jackos Smith. I'm feeling sorry for him. I mean
that when Carlton. People say, oh, but we haven't had
Jagger Smith. Come on, guys, I mean Richmond have got
some really good early draft picks. They don't make that
much difference when it's all said and done. Now you've
all You also wrote about the wind Hager tagging job
on Nick Daykos He's ended up getting I think a
fifteen hundreds.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Think the slap, Yeah, very grainy footage. He was, Yeah
for the knee. Look, it was just more about the
fact that Ross well what I wrote, But you know,
there can be a bit of a the rest of
the comp sort of goes o. So Decos gets tag
suddenly it's a big issue and other players do get tagged.
That's absolutely true. But the fact of it is that.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
The coach for US two years ago, didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
He Yeah, yeah, but he's one of the It's because
they're also their box office, so you see it. You
watch it. He's one of the better players, so you're
seeing it.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
So did he overstep the mark Winter?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I think some of those were old school sort of niggling,
you know, Stephen baker Ish tactics.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, but and did the umpires do enough then?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Jake, Well, you can't see everything you can't see everything.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It just with four umpires. Maybe you need to assign
attacker umpire. I don't know. The behind the goal footage
showed there was some stuff that would be a free kick,
but it was funny to hear ross lyin, so that
suggested you got too it. Maybe maybe I think ross was.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I did feel that the first the early free kicks
were something of a reaction to the King's Birthday, where
in the first quarter of King's Birthday, the whole crowd
was on to the fact that there was this tight
tag going on and there's a lot of grabbing and holding,
and it was and it was unpenalized. Now I think
that I got the sense that they've looked at that
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as well and thought, hello, we need to tighten up.
You can't just have bloke scrabbed and scragged and not
get a run of them.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
This is time immemorial. This has been going on. Yeah,
and it periodically comes in. I actually thought it was
good theater in the game in a game that might
not have been that entertaining to the neutral observer. Having
decos Windhager cam and seeing this happen gave an entertainment
point and Dacos also did very well to fight back
and at the end of the game kicked that crucial goal.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Well, at the game, the entertainment was in seeing at
the very first time Scott Pendlebury came on the ground.
Now I'm not sure if the TV footage picked this up,
but he came on the ground because as wind Haeger
was coming off, following Dakos off the ground and another
Sekilda guy had come on as well, and Pendlebury stood
there and waited, and he waited to get to Windhager
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and to confront him, and pushed him and shoved him
and was in his face and pointing the finger and
really threatned sort of having a go at him, which
is very Unpendlebury, and he hadn't even been on the
ground yet Penderby. But it was very much this statement
of we're going to make life just as hard for
you today if you're going to make your life hard
for Decloss. And you could see that throughout the game.
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A lot of players from steel side Bottom to ed Allen,
you know, from the old to the young, which we're
really pushing in and McCreary and really trying to put
body on winder to let him know we will be
doing the same to you.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, Jack Chris made comments to that effect.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, they were about to protect you after the game, after.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
The game to Danny Russell and Dannie Russell, So yeah,
it's it's it's it's a very much an it's very
much on their mind. But it is an argument among
coaches in at the clubs, at various clubs that having
the hard tag actually doesn't it allows the opposition to
do things to you. So it doesn't necessarily.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Doggie dog you mean, well, no.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
You can position the player somewhere at the center bounce
that can help you get a clearance because of the
way you manipulate he's following him, you're not following the
ball smooth to full forward and.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Things like that.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
The opposition can then move you around. But ross Lyon's
pretty smart on this.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
That's that's in a strategic sense.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, I don't be glib, but my best tagging story
from the weekend was listening to Isaac Heeney after the
Port Adelaide game when at the start of the game,
I think it was Bergman who was tagging him, and
he said, the other kid told me at the start
of the game he wasn't feeling he was feeling a
bit crooked. So maybe can you believe a player would
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tell someone, look, I'm actually a bit off, bit off
carlor Lake, he might be well, doesn't seriously, maybe would
you believe it? Well, Heeney said that he said it interview.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
That's like plays with an injured right shoulder, going out
with the with the strapped up left shoulders players.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
He played like it was feeling a bit sick too.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
But would have felt sick at the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I mentioned telling someone that. Anyway, I thought it was
quite funny.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
All right, we'll take a break there, come back and
talk more about the Bulldogs and Jeremy McGovern's medical retirement.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
We're online all the time, just search age real footy
on Facebook or Twitter. And then lost it trying to
what hands and he gave it back to the part
he's got an life for them.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Out of the boat.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
He's gone. We'll welcome back.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
The Bulldogs are back in the eight and more importantly,
they're back with Sam Darcy playing well and Bond in
the team. But the other thing was that Jamara was
back at training last week and he's spoken on the
rip through it podcast with Football's Oprah Winfrey Mitch Robinson
and giving us a better understanding. We I've actually felt
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like I understood a bit more of the depth. Pretty raw, complicated.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah. I had to chat to people at the AFL
last week, and I mean because Laura Kane has been
doing a lot of work with him and it's been
pretty Gillers sort of contact throughout all the dramas and
would reject out of hand that he was ever completely
off the rails, which you know, there were some terrible
stories going around and obviously there were some major issues.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Particularly head of the finals, lay during the finals.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, but look in the end and you wouldn't have
picked three months ago, Jake that Jamara would be back
at the club. And you know, even vague took that
he might even played a senior game. But you know,
it looks like he will play a VFL game. You
want good players in the game, however badly they've believed
and however troubled.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
He's also twenty two, exactly, He's not twenty eight. Now.
It's different to some other people who've had multiple, multiple
chances and have had a lot of issues, and there's
a as long as he the thing I get down to,
as long as he takes responsibility for his actions and
he gets hold of his life with help, but takes
responsibility with getting help. And that's that's all it gets
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down to. And people who make excuses constantly don't get
anywhere baby, who take responsibility and who get help the
right help.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
So the podcast interview, there was a you could call
them excuses, but you could also call them the bulldogs
of you know, a meet. Baines has repeatedly said, you
cannot understand the depth of what this guy did. You know,
he burst onto the scene. He didn't get a game
for a long time. They're obviously off field, he hues.
You know, he had a pretty it was a party boy.
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He was always been photographed with mea favola. You know,
he was here, there and everywhere. And then you know,
and there was a reason obviously he wasn't getting a game.
And then there was that period where he looked like
it could be anything, and in the end his right
to recovery was going to be through it.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Footy.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
That's the road to recovery, isn't it if he can
make it stick.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
And partly, I mean it's also a matter of how
you manage the rest of your life, and footy can
help you with that, but he's also got to help
himself with that, and people and the welfare and other
people will be helping. But I think there's some friends
that he probably and and people that he's been hanging
out with that may not be the healthiest thing for
him as far as his footy career, and therefore and
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the way things have gone with him away from they
might have been that helpful for him in a life sense.
And he spoke about that being, you know, in his terms,
on the piss a lot and hanging out with them
but not really going anywhere. So I think there's a
bit of agency for him in that as far as
not just football is the great redeemer, but he can
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be the great redeemer for himself in that.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
And in a wider context, you know, they've got Darcy back,
Marcus Bontonpelli is playing like a Brownlow medallist, you know,
after they missed him for all those all those weeks
six weeks or something with it or seven weeks. That
midfield is I mean, people say it's the best in
the competition, and you can mount that argument with the
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way they're playing at.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
The Lime homes and.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Injured. It doesn't it doesn't really stop anything, does no.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
But you look at this Friday night, so they're playing
Sydney at home. Sydney have also got their personnel back
and what a difference that made, particularly seeing Aerol Golden
run around again. But you know the thing is there's
still only just in the eight and gold Coast have
got an extra game in their kid. I think they've
got so they need to see that.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
The Bulldogs have got some points of difference that make
them the massive that we've spoken about it on here
before about them being a Premiership threat. Their biggest issue
for me, and that is I think their bottom four
or five players is weaker than the other top teams,
but their top five, the top players are as good
as anyone's. Like Sam Darci is, like Jeremy Cameron, he
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is this sort of incredible talent that is, you know,
as I say, a point of difference to others and
incredibly hard to stop. And they do have that midfield
and they've got Bond. I was thinking that with like
the Dacos discussion, Bonds and Crips and these guys, because
they're the big midfielders. The bigger midfielders, they're not as
routinely the tagged in that style of way because they're
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just so much harder to this, that much more powerful
to stop.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Well, look, I think that you can look at some
premierships that are one where you get an overlap between
one or two champions who are at near the tail
end of their career and you have emerging superstars coming up.
And for instance, Colin Wood had the end of the
Pendlebury era and side Bottom to a lesser degree coming
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in with Nick Daykos coming up, and they managed to
get this little ven diagram, this little intersection of those
careers and you can be lucky. I mean Richmond going
way back, Carrow had Royce Hard and Kevin Bartlett right
through their most of their glory era together Francis Burke.
So you get players together. But if you get the
young one with the old one now Botom Pelly, there's
a Bottom Pelly Darcy intersection and that period the Bulldogs
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have to win a premiership. They have to get a
flat that are generational like that, generational talents and Bono
Pelly performance and Darcy ability. You have to get a
flag out of it and then you can throw an
Ed Richards is a very good player, so you always
have other very good players. They've got the absolutely they
should be accepting nothing less than a flag in the
next three years.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
So they got up to Sydney on Friday night. I
mean Brisbane were thirteenth this time last year, but Brisbane
had played in a Grand Final the year before. The Bulldogs,
you know about out pretty quickly out of the finals,
straight away out of the finals last year. So they
need to beat Sydney. They absolutely need to win that
game and then it's you know, if they can start
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beating some teams in the top eight from.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Three weeks ago, it's now a really good game where
Sydney a few weeks ago. That Sydney is now getting
their players back. And you know he's made some calls
as well, Cox some people like Olli Florent that have
found themselves back out of the team. You know, he's
made some hard calls and they're playing much better footing
now Sydney and the Bulldogs. Do you think we the
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bud of the beverage reappointment. By the time it came around,
it was unsurprising, but from earlier in the year. We
did you expect it to play out that way?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Juri is still out for mine. I mean, he's clearly
a brilliant coach, but he seems to me like an
impact coach of four or five years. And it would
have been brilliant to go over to somewhere like Carton
or Melbourne next year. And Melbourne certainly talked about him
earlier this year and didn't do anything. And well no
one did anything. No one I don't think contacted him
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from other clubs. Look, they've stuck with the man they
know and love. He's made changes, They've made changes to
the foota department, got a much stronger footy boss. Now
it seems to be the perfect storm for Luke Beveridge,
who's sort of I don't think he's reinvented himself, but
he was on a charm offensive and he softened some edges. Yeah,
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well he's sought to his master. Well he sought to look,
as I said, clearly a brilliant coach. I would have
loved to have seen him go to another club and
take them to a flag, which I think he's capable
of doing in a very short time.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
And so Jake, speaking of impactful Jake Stringer, the super
sub well unwrapping the package.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It's exactly what you get him for, isn't it. You
know he's never going to be Jake's never going to be,
you know, leading the taking charge of leadership group meetings.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And you know, probably slightly ahead of Sub though myself, but.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well suits his physiology. He's an explosive power player and
he took the moment. He kicked two great goals and
they wouldn't have won the game without that. And who knows,
I mean, because the think about the Giants is their
best in their worst. There's still a bit of a
gap even within games. But who would want to play
them in a final? No matter where it's played.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
It was from the son. The sons will come away
disappointed because they know you lead that game. They could
have got out to six goals nearly. In fact, the
moment they could have got out to that was when
Callen Brown's jumping around on the mark being caught. You
could hear through the through the audio three times the
umpire calling stand and you can see him running around
and you think, how's that not a fifty meter penalty
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which would have been a goal, a kick taken at
the goals on the goal line. But despite wearing some
sort of pseudo West Coast jumper and playing away, they
got that. They got the jump And was there any
do you come away disheartened? Do you come away with
was there was there a disgrace in losing that game
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to that team?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Then they just can't win there? Dropping out, they can't
win there. They should have. They were in a bit
the best position they've ever been in to win at
eng Stadium and they blew it really and now, albeit
with a game in hand, they're out of the Ape's
just an observation.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Looking at the ladder here, it looks like you'll need
least thirteen to get in. So if there was a
team funnily enough to make it run at it, fancy
it would be Sydney. If there is going to be
a team come from the clouds like Carton did a
couple of years ago, you'd say it's the Swans. Well,
but it probably won't happen.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Gold Coast have got their home games. They they've got
Essendon twice in the back half and they've got Richmond.
So you've got to get you've got to win five. Ye,
they've got to win five on that to get in.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, they should make it. They could, well they don't.
If they don't, maybe a borderline again, if they don't
make it, it's a bit of a scandal, to be brief, She.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Sort of look at this freemantle of nine and five
and a sixth at the moment they've played fourteen, they
just don't look anywhere near as capable as the Bulldogs
or the Giants. Even it's it's and haven't had as
good a year in my view as Gold Coast, although
Gold Coast have got that game in hands. So gold
Coast only played thirteen, so gold Coast have done. They
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should make the finals, yep.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
And if they don't, it's a disgrace.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Well, not a disgrace, of course, it is.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Jake with the players they've got. Well, it is a disgrace.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
No that there's another word you can use. It's disappointed.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
It's a savage disappointment.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
What'd you think of the amusing moment at least amusing
moment of the play on call from a player on
the ground.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
And so mac Andrew's teammate.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Well that's what was reported at the time that mac
Andrew's teammate, So Mac Andrew is standing on the mark.
For those who didn't see mac Andrew's standing on the mark,
and Jesse Hogan's lining up for goal. It's about fifty
meters out and he's readying to go, readying to take
his kick in, someone's called play on. You can hear
it through the thing now. It was either mac Andrew's
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teammate trying to panic Jesse Hogan into playing on, and
I think they've agreed that it was a Gold Coast player,
but instead mac Andrew Bank just heard it and ran
to tackle Hogan and therefore was done for running over
the mark and penalties sort of made you wonder why
it doesn't happen more often.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yes, if it had been an opposition player and they
could prove that, would they have not given the fifty.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I think the rules have anticipated this. There's nothing in
the rule says if an opposition player says play on
and you then rush in, there will be no fifty.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
But like hearing someone in the crowd blowing a whistle,
you know, and they said, well I didn't blow it,
so I can keep going. Was amusing, if nothing else. Sadly,
Jeremy McGovern has been forced into retirement through the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
We should acknowledge a great career, great career, and a
really great parting speech. I thought, Jake, you know where
he sort of was philosophical. He's obviously tasted great success,
he's tasted great disappointment. He hasn't gone out the way
he would have wanted. But he is in his early
thirties thirty three, isn't he so so I'm not discounting.
(31:52):
You just pray that you know, he has a good
and healthy life and this does not impact him as
he gets older. But it's a sign of the times
and it's going to keep happening, and unfortunately people are
going to have to change the way they play Gleaton.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yep, because it's really look first of all, we don't
want the fact that it's in a concussion of retirement
to overshadow what was a great career. I can't think
back to the twenty eight and Grand Final when he
had this internal injuries and you know, you'd speak to
West Coast people that he managed to play and if
he hadn't played, there's no way they would have won
that game. And you remember that last player in the game.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
That last play was hilarious because which he was part
of that major famous link of the change.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Or he took the mark, he took the intercept mark.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And he also admitted he took the intercept mark because
he was cooked and couldn't get back on the player
he was supposed to be on, and then the ball
fell to him because he was out of position, not
being able to anyway.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
He got up and played and they won the premiership
and it was a great effort and.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
He'll be able to celebrate that for the rest of you.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, but with the concussions, Yeah, we're just going to
be You're right, We're just going to have to get
used to it. And it is. Yeah, it is a
someone called it a meeting. You're coming at the game, Yeah,
Commission I think said that.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That's one of the reasons I think Jeff Brown would
make a great chairman. I mean, someone who understands the rules,
the implications of footy, who wrote the rules, who will
be all over the legal ramifications, and has been I
think quite critical of the AFL's handling in the past
of concussion and the way they've handled that legally. For
so many reasons, I think he'd be a great choice.
(33:29):
Just putting it out there.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, I'd like to see the field. I'd like to
see the alternatives rather than just say Craig.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Drumming the John Wiley I think has had had some support,
whether he's still in or not, but they're the name
of Gordon. Yeah, I'm not sure he's still in there.
If he's got the support of all the clubs. I
think Peter Gordon make good chairman.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
He might be a bit not divisive, but he may
not have as popular right across the board. I think
he's smart.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I think Brown's got more support, significantly more support anyway.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Right, we'll take a break there, come back with quick questions.
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Speaker 2 (34:28):
Fifty and morrisl Chickies fifty.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Well, welcome back Carrow. It was a whiteout, a cotton
on whiteout at the Cattery last week, having lost on
Patrick Dangerfields one hundred and fiftieth game and at home
well other clubs attempt a whiteout.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Well, I mean it was a lot of money from
this spoint. So cotton on, wasn't it. Apparently each T
shirt costs him about five bucks, so there were forty
thousand T shirts. That's two hundred grand. Yeah, I mean
on them, they're trying something a bit different. It was
a pity for them that they lost. But they just
can't beat Brisbane, Jake, can they No, No, they can't
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beat them anywhere.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Look, look, let's let's look at the great performance from Brisbane.
Some of the just a shout out to human clock.
He wasn't best on the ground, it was. It was
Harris Andrews was the best player on the ground and
I hope he gets the brown Low votes given that
defenders don't don't get them. As an interesting suggestion, I
think j Clark ran this that of getting a Defender's Award,
which I think is a good idea for the NFL.
(35:31):
But yeah, but I thought Brisbane's ball movement and their
class on their finish was fantastic. Was it just a
bad David along Probably Well at.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
The moment, yes, that's all it was. But those sorts
of losses you only know whether they were a mulligan
later on, when when you see the greater body of
work for now you do agree, you know, Chris Scott, Well,
it was just we have to consign it as that.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
But they clearly weren't. I mean, Lee Matthews said on
Saturday about they spent you know, it was a bit
of party mode. You know, they were celebrating, you know,
the game. It was a big game for them, celebrating
one hundredth of a new player and relatively new payer
and Tyson Stengel and the three fiftieth of danger. And
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did they to the slightest degree, slightest n degree take
their eye off the ball? I mean they know, yeah,
and if it's you give them a mulligan. But they
were well and truly smacked, weren't they.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And Brisbane well and truly back in it up to
two losses, which the coach kept saying, but they weren't
really losses.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Brisbane seemed to need to be a challenge. They seem
to need stimulation.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, that's true. Is the curfew affecting Noah Bolter and
how he plays because he had a bit of a
stinker on someday.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Well, I hope that's it, because you know, I mean,
Cane Corn said on our show a few weeks ago,
that he should just they shouldn't play it for the
rest of the year because his stop start thing is
clearly afecting his footy. I think that's probably a bit
harsh or a bit strong, but he was Sam Darcy
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just slaughtered him. And the way he played Bolter it
was without plan, it was without strategy, with some bizarre
sort of things, and it must be. It can't be
good for your footy to have gone through what he's
gone through and to be playing one week not playing
the next. The bigger long term worry for me is
it a seven year contract he signed?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I mean he's not playing like a player worthy of
that sort of deal.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Well, he may have been. He may have had a
whole lot of the year completely by the magistrate. From
that case.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Jake will stake a state of origin, make a comeback
next year and will that be a good thing? Pete
Ryan's written about it. The way government pushing making a
push for a way VIC game next year.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Oh look, it would be interesting to see, yes, whether
it's long term. I don't think you can do it
every year.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
And it's a called for this, Jake. You called for these,
didn't you? Celebration games?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I thought I was thinking afl W. I think the
afl WS it's got real.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
They need Australia v.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Island and I think they've got to do it an
all star game Erin's team against Daisy's or something like that. Yeah,
I think it needs No, I'm not sure. I'm not
as convinced about state of origin because there's so many
good players in Queensland and in other northern territory now
it doesn't line up as easily with w A and
s A v. VIC as it used to.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Well, yeah, I think they'll call it this. The plan
is w A v. Victoria in the first instance, given
that gather around soon afterwards, et cetera, et cetera, and
then if it but in the end, do you care
that it's just an exhibition game? I mean, I love
the Indigenous All Stars game. I thought that and it
was clearly, you know, wasn't a serious game. Soccer have friendlies.
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They're really popular.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
If you look at if you look at what's happened
in in r L, which is taken over this this
idea that came out of the old VFL in nineteen
back in your father's day, Carow. I mean it was
a huge thing, and that ignited in state of origin
to have it. The reason why it works in state
of n RL is because it is full on it's
bigger than the club.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
It's bigger than that point.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
It's bigger than the whereas we would we're here in
the AFL, it would be something that's smaller than the club.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Well, this is as a concept that's it's popular with fans,
but not with clubs, so that the fans will like
the idea of having this state of origin contest. But
it's just persuading clubs to risk their players and therefore
risk a flag. It just never gets It's why it
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always sort of fizzles in the end because players start
pulling out and aren't available. So if it's just that
exhibition game pre season, and.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
It's pretend it's anything else, no, that's right.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
It's that's why I'm saying I won't ever get that
sort of gravitask to it that will allow it to
be on a par with the news of the NRL types.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
But given practice games are so boring that you may
as well do something like this. I mean, it's sort
of a glorified practice game that has a bit more
interest Jake, nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, look, I don't mind saying it, but it's not
going to be at the I've got.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
And on that note, that is all we've got time
for for this week. Thanks to both of you, Jack
Caro for joining us, and thanks to Channel seven and
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If you'd like to get in touch, you can do
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This is the Real Footy podcast Coming up. The Blues
find themselves in more Bob after losing to North Melbourne.
We ask what it means for the future of coach
Michael Voss and changes at Princess Park, tagging tactics around
to the spotlight. The Bulldogs welcome back Jamara hugil Hagen
and a key sun Shuns offers to return home to
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Melbourne so we can stay on the Gold Coast.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
All of that and more. Right after this.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Kicks hits on fifty for the Giants, We're Cardi part
the back, close down Toby, that's a n tumbles to
kick go for.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Josh Kakos, still the hill at the past Alien Niche Kakos,
the cheers he who checked Nick Half afternoon, Michael Voss
(01:02):
reading the right act to his Blues. They trial by
forty six points.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Our good lip, Rad to do your role.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Hell I'll welcome. My name is Michael Gleason and joining
me today at Jake Nile and Caroline Wilson, welcome to
you both.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Good morning everyone and interesting round Carolyn.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Glutz fascinating round only won, really good game. A couple
of well no that's not true, Cup.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
The Expansion Cup was a great game and actually Brisbane's
performance against Geelong captivated me. Well done on breaking the
Matt Rowl story, Michael, thank you. We told everyone that
he was staying. At the start of the year. There
was a lot of talk he might end up at Geelong, but.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well Geelong because particularly because he was known to have
met with some clubs last year that he met with.
But he met with several of them, and he met
with Luke beveryge and he met with Craig McCrae and
Chris Scott, but they weren't the only clubs. Essendon and
Sekilda were all very interested. But it was really down
to if he was to go, it would have been
(02:05):
basically I think Colin would or or the Bulldogs were
the two that he was very impressed with. Luke Beverigeon,
but he wondered to stay. So it's a good sign
for a good sign for the Suns.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Not very good signs for Carlton. You lead your four
point you lead your four points column on the Blues
this week. You've all but predicted that Michael Voss will
not be there.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I would be surprised at.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
The start of next year, but You've also been quite
definitive that Carton will not do the old Carton and
second mid season. Why are you so convinced of that.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
People I've spoken to there, I don't think that there's
any I don't think they think there's any benefit in
making those sorts of changes right now. Now. They're not
saying that that's going to happen either. They're not saying
that Voss has gone or anything like that. Those decisions
haven't been made. But I just don't see that sort
of change happening in the immediate sense.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
What's your view, Jake, I don't say this.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I don't think from conversations I had over the journey.
I haven't spoken to a senior person. Yesterday I was off,
but I'd be surprised if it was done before the
end of the year. I'd be very surprised. But the
only thing I'd say is you do have to position
for assistant coaches sometimes, and I think changes will be
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made in the assistant coaching ranks and possibly elsewhere in
the footy department. Voss, I think is a genuinely open question,
because there's cases there's a good case for, there's a
case against. There's also the question comes into it, which
it has at Carlton in the past, of who's available
and who's available. The only thing I'd say with Graham right,
Graham right is not necessarily the person that will just say, oh,
(03:45):
he's John Longmile, let's hire John longmye. If you look
at what happened at Collingwood when he had that decision
after Nathan Buckley, that was done mid season, that was
a much worse position that Collingwood was in relative to
their talent than Carlton. And he'd been there much much longer.
He's in his tenth year and he is out of contract,
and he was out of contract. So Voss has a
(04:05):
contract and I think there is going to be a
counter There's going to be an interesting discussion.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I think one more year after this, yes.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
So there's going to be an interesting discussion of can
Carlton culturally do this after all the carnage they've had
with paying out coaches. Is that going to compromise or
are they going to make a decision saying if we
don't think he's the right person, we have to do it.
So it's a really intriguing call. To me. I'm not
going to call it right now which way it will go,
(04:32):
except that it will happen at the end of that
decision we made officially, at least at the end of
the season.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Some of those things can also and I'm not saying
that what the payout would be, but a lot of
them more the newer contracts are capping payments for coaches.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So I don't think Michael Voss is I reckon he'll
get the year. That's my understanding. I could be wrong,
but I think the wealthier clubs are very happy to
give them the time. And Carlton is still a wealthy club.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
He got that contract after the preliminary final appearance, did
he not? I think he did. He got that extension,
so I don't like it on it So I think,
really there's a few options here for the Blues and
for Rob Priestley on the board and Graham. Right, if
Brian Cook was still there, what do you think, Caro,
I think he would be more obligated to stick with
(05:23):
Michael Voss.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, I know, Well, no, I don't. I don't think that.
I don't think that. I mean, Brian Cook does have
a history of sticking with coaches, but he sticks with
the ones who he thinks are capable of getting somewhere.
I think probably my personal view is Graham Right, whatever
he's going to do is already made up his mind
to the ninety percent, and I don't think it looks
(05:48):
great for Michael Boss. But I think that that is
just one of a raft of changes. And again I don't,
I don't. I'm not getting any information here, but the
footy department is not working well he's.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I think what we will see is that the handover
from Brian Cook to Graham Right was supposed to be October.
I think it'll be a bit more advanced than that
to to allow changes that will be made to be made.
Now that's not to suggest that Brian cooks an impediment
to that, but it is probably the moment of saying, Okay,
we're ready to make these these various changes, and there
(06:24):
will be change. I mean they just there just will be.
Now where who that who that is and who that's
limited to? Look, there's there. Grahame Rights spent basically the
year as the facto conducting with virtually a review of
the footing department. Yeah, because he's coming learning and yeah,
nobody's been. He's been learning the CEO stuff, but he's
(06:47):
also been very heavily focused on footing. He's been basically,
you know, looking at that and looking at how they
structure that and who who are the right people. Now,
there will be changes within that, but contracts will come
into it, which which coaches, which assistant coaches, which you know,
list manager recruiters are contracted and where, and so they'll
(07:08):
look at those. But there will be changed within that,
and that'll happen before the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
The other thing here is we're focusing on voss, but
there will be big calls made on players and I
think that that actually might be the the more intriguing
outcome here because they could do who knows what they
could do. I think it's a very simple equation. You say, well,
change the coach and change some assistant coaches. Well that's
that's pretty straightforward. But chie to be a hell of
(07:35):
a call to say, Okay, we're going to trade I'm
saying this for argument's.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Sake, We're going to trade Harry McKay.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Harry McKay, or we're going to trade Sam Wise.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Who would have had a lot more draft value last
year when Melbourne came to get him. Weren't they.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I think he'd still have read value.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well, they weren't came to trade him for Petrarca. That
came up, and that came as a as a discussion point.
I don't think they wanted to trade Petrarca for if
they didn't, did they? No, No, I could have got
that deal done m Carlton.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
But at some point they're going to have to bite
the bullet on the one of the well.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I mean big five or six, we're then I'll lose
to Conning. I think that likely, not more likely than not,
they'll lose lose to Conning. Not certainty, but the way
it's going.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But there are some other elements playing in the performance
you've got. McKay has been has been in and out
of the team with injuries and other issues that have
kept him out. Kerno had was three surgeries differently over
the over the off season, staggered throughout the off season,
so he was he only just got to the line
to play early in the season, so he's not been
(08:37):
fully fit either.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
All.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, and they're there are two sort of strengths as
those two guys up forward, but the game itself needs
to be addressed some of these decisions, as you say,
Mikaile will tom to Coney will be taken. You know,
they won't be there Carlton's decisions. They'll they'll be the
player's decisions. The problem they have in seeking to rebuild
right now is that this is a terrible draft, and
(09:01):
in one sense that's a good thing that they traded
Jagger Smith last year. They traded this his first round
pick to get Smith. So they've already got this, hope,
hopefully elite talent that a.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
First round pick still a first round pick.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, but there's a lot of other players that will
push those picks around. Now they'll get a first round
pick if de Coning leaves, and so they'll have something
there now. You can either use that or trade it
either to clubs for more picks for points, or you
can trade it for another player. They're an attractive club
still to go to, notwithstanding some of the stuff that's
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been going on. They are still a destination club.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
For plays, well extraordinarily and they've had, you know, the
off field year has been dreadful as well. They've had
you know, it's been touch with scandal, you know, several times.
They still managed to get over one hundred thousand members
a team that doesn't have one hundred thousand members, and
we just should mention is North Melbourne. That was a
ninety plus point turnaround from the good Friday debarc Jake
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and unfortunately North didn't quite really put them away as
it looked like they were going to at three quarter time.
But we should acknowledge that they they have had a
great six weeks North Melbourne since that draw with Brisbane.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, and not only that, but it is interesting for
the criticism of the Perth deal and I don't like
the selling of the game to Fremantle as a concept.
I don't like home teams essentially getting an extra game
through a financial arrangement at their home ground with travel.
But the word out of North strongly is that this
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has been a bonding exercise and that the players have
gotten closer together and this is actually their benefiting from
that for to take.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So many boxes two and a half million dollars, the
AFL have been able to appease the two wa clubs
by giving them an extra home game. North aren't going
to do much anyway this year. Yes, if Fremantle just
get in and say the Bulldogs or Gold goes just
missing out.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Will be a controversy.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
So, but they've got so many disadvantages of wester his
training clubs. I just think of all the compromises footy makes,
this is a pretty good one.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
If you're going to do it, if you're going to
let it to him, get it. Five ended up with
thirteen games in their state, nine out of their state.
The WA teams are the ones.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, and they don't have to gather around. I mean
they don't have opening round.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
But more specifically to the footy they've been playing. The
way they've been playing has been really impressive. And you know,
I'll be critical of the recruiting of Daniel and Parker
and Darling for it.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Has been good.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah. Yeah, Parker, I don't like I'm not sure where
the Daniel and Numb and Darling recruitments take you. Yeah,
that Parker I can see because there.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Were moments, you know, when it got a bit iffy,
you know, in the game on the weekend, when I
thought he really stood up and showed a lot of leadership.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Mccurr wh is he's talented.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
He's a talent and he would be high on the
Tasmania target list.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So and George Wordler who was who was sat down
for the last quarter given these injury history.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And Clarko dropped a couple of players Griffin Lowe included
to try and get a better defensive response, and it's
seems to have worked. So it's because they held Carlton
and Pink you wouldn't expect Yeah, yeah, all the Tybee
Pink sort of a new cult figure. And he kept
Charlie Curno goalless. And he's held Tom Lynch, he's held
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Logan Morris to nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You know, they're heading towards in a couple of weeks
here big hundredth anniversary game against the Bulldogs. It wouldn't
expect them to win, but they're going in with a
lot more momentum than they were a month ago exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
But this is sort of what I hope they'd be
they should have. I mean, there's another way of looking
at this. We're looking at this as I have completely
underachieved in this game. But then you start to look
at the actual midfield players. Does Car'ton have anyone like
Luke Davies unia he can explode away from the stoppage,
do they No, No, they don't. Do they have someone like,
you know, you start to go through the Harry Sheesel's
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a ball mag that like some of the talent that
North have got is better than some of the Carlton talent.
It's just not as mature. Yeah, I think that's something
that's going to be lost in all this.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Harry Cheesel moved forward too, He's moved all around, and
it's the early criticisms.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
He's very backable Treasury Bond, isn't he as a player?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah? So Carlton, I mean the point of this game
because you can still look at Carton and say they're
sitting tenth. You know, why why are we talking so
dramatically about them? Well, there are two games outside the
eight they've lost to the side that's finished bottom two
for the last five years. It doesn't it's it's difficult
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to see from this point here how Carlton recovers.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Just so one thing too, Sam Walsh might be the
most important player when you look at what they don't
have and what they do have.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Well, right now it seems like Jagger Smith's the most
important player and he's yet to play a game.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Poor Jackos Smith. I'm feeling sorry for him. I mean
that when Carlton. People say, oh, but we haven't had
Jagger Smith. Come on, guys, I mean Richmond have got
some really good early draft picks. They don't make that
much difference when it's all said and done. Now you've
all You also wrote about the wind Hager tagging job
on Nick Daykos He's ended up getting I think a
fifteen hundreds.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Think the slap, Yeah, very grainy footage. He was, Yeah
for the knee. Look, it was just more about the
fact that Ross well what I wrote, But you know,
there can be a bit of a the rest of
the comp sort of goes o. So Decos gets tag
suddenly it's a big issue and other players do get tagged.
That's absolutely true. But the fact of it is that.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
The coach for US two years ago, didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
He Yeah, yeah, but he's one of the It's because
they're also their box office, so you see it. You
watch it. He's one of the better players, so you're
seeing it.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
So did he overstep the mark Winter?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I think some of those were old school sort of niggling,
you know, Stephen baker Ish tactics.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, but and did the umpires do enough then?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Jake, Well, you can't see everything you can't see everything.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It just with four umpires. Maybe you need to assign
attacker umpire. I don't know. The behind the goal footage
showed there was some stuff that would be a free kick,
but it was funny to hear ross lyin, so that
suggested you got too it. Maybe maybe I think ross was.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I did feel that the first the early free kicks
were something of a reaction to the King's Birthday, where
in the first quarter of King's Birthday, the whole crowd
was on to the fact that there was this tight
tag going on and there's a lot of grabbing and holding,
and it was and it was unpenalized. Now I think
that I got the sense that they've looked at that
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as well and thought, hello, we need to tighten up.
You can't just have bloke scrabbed and scragged and not
get a run of them.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
This is time immemorial. This has been going on. Yeah,
and it periodically comes in. I actually thought it was
good theater in the game in a game that might
not have been that entertaining to the neutral observer. Having
decos Windhager cam and seeing this happen gave an entertainment
point and Dacos also did very well to fight back
and at the end of the game kicked that crucial goal.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Well, at the game, the entertainment was in seeing at
the very first time Scott Pendlebury came on the ground.
Now I'm not sure if the TV footage picked this up,
but he came on the ground because as wind Haeger
was coming off, following Dakos off the ground and another
Sekilda guy had come on as well, and Pendlebury stood
there and waited, and he waited to get to Windhager
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and to confront him, and pushed him and shoved him
and was in his face and pointing the finger and
really threatned sort of having a go at him, which
is very Unpendlebury, and he hadn't even been on the
ground yet Penderby. But it was very much this statement
of we're going to make life just as hard for
you today if you're going to make your life hard
for Decloss. And you could see that throughout the game.
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A lot of players from steel side Bottom to ed Allen,
you know, from the old to the young, which we're
really pushing in and McCreary and really trying to put
body on winder to let him know we will be
doing the same to you.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, Jack Chris made comments to that effect.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, they were about to protect you after the game, after.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
The game to Danny Russell and Dannie Russell, So yeah,
it's it's it's it's a very much an it's very
much on their mind. But it is an argument among
coaches in at the clubs, at various clubs that having
the hard tag actually doesn't it allows the opposition to
do things to you. So it doesn't necessarily.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Doggie dog you mean, well, no.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
You can position the player somewhere at the center bounce
that can help you get a clearance because of the
way you manipulate he's following him, you're not following the
ball smooth to full forward and.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Things like that.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
The opposition can then move you around. But ross Lyon's
pretty smart on this.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
That's that's in a strategic sense.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, I don't be glib, but my best tagging story
from the weekend was listening to Isaac Heeney after the
Port Adelaide game when at the start of the game,
I think it was Bergman who was tagging him, and
he said, the other kid told me at the start
of the game he wasn't feeling he was feeling a
bit crooked. So maybe can you believe a player would
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tell someone, look, I'm actually a bit off, bit off
carlor Lake, he might be well, doesn't seriously, maybe would
you believe it? Well, Heeney said that he said it interview.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
That's like plays with an injured right shoulder, going out
with the with the strapped up left shoulders players.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
He played like it was feeling a bit sick too.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
But would have felt sick at the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I mentioned telling someone that. Anyway, I thought it was
quite funny.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
All right, we'll take a break there, come back and
talk more about the Bulldogs and Jeremy McGovern's medical retirement.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
We're online all the time, just search age real footy
on Facebook or Twitter. And then lost it trying to
what hands and he gave it back to the part
he's got an life for them.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Out of the boat.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
He's gone. We'll welcome back.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
The Bulldogs are back in the eight and more importantly,
they're back with Sam Darcy playing well and Bond in
the team. But the other thing was that Jamara was
back at training last week and he's spoken on the
rip through it podcast with Football's Oprah Winfrey Mitch Robinson
and giving us a better understanding. We I've actually felt
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like I understood a bit more of the depth. Pretty raw, complicated.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah. I had to chat to people at the AFL
last week, and I mean because Laura Kane has been
doing a lot of work with him and it's been
pretty Gillers sort of contact throughout all the dramas and
would reject out of hand that he was ever completely
off the rails, which you know, there were some terrible
stories going around and obviously there were some major issues.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Particularly head of the finals, lay during the finals.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, but look in the end and you wouldn't have
picked three months ago, Jake that Jamara would be back
at the club. And you know, even vague took that
he might even played a senior game. But you know,
it looks like he will play a VFL game. You
want good players in the game, however badly they've believed
and however troubled.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
He's also twenty two, exactly, He's not twenty eight. Now.
It's different to some other people who've had multiple, multiple
chances and have had a lot of issues, and there's
a as long as he the thing I get down to,
as long as he takes responsibility for his actions and
he gets hold of his life with help, but takes
responsibility with getting help. And that's that's all it gets
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down to. And people who make excuses constantly don't get
anywhere baby, who take responsibility and who get help the
right help.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
So the podcast interview, there was a you could call
them excuses, but you could also call them the bulldogs
of you know, a meet. Baines has repeatedly said, you
cannot understand the depth of what this guy did. You know,
he burst onto the scene. He didn't get a game
for a long time. They're obviously off field, he hues.
You know, he had a pretty it was a party boy.
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He was always been photographed with mea favola. You know,
he was here, there and everywhere. And then you know,
and there was a reason obviously he wasn't getting a game.
And then there was that period where he looked like
it could be anything, and in the end his right
to recovery was going to be through it.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Footy.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
That's the road to recovery, isn't it if he can
make it stick.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
And partly, I mean it's also a matter of how
you manage the rest of your life, and footy can
help you with that, but he's also got to help
himself with that, and people and the welfare and other
people will be helping. But I think there's some friends
that he probably and and people that he's been hanging
out with that may not be the healthiest thing for
him as far as his footy career, and therefore and
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the way things have gone with him away from they
might have been that helpful for him in a life sense.
And he spoke about that being, you know, in his terms,
on the piss a lot and hanging out with them
but not really going anywhere. So I think there's a
bit of agency for him in that as far as
not just football is the great redeemer, but he can
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be the great redeemer for himself in that.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
And in a wider context, you know, they've got Darcy back,
Marcus Bontonpelli is playing like a Brownlow medallist, you know,
after they missed him for all those all those weeks
six weeks or something with it or seven weeks. That
midfield is I mean, people say it's the best in
the competition, and you can mount that argument with the
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way they're playing at.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
The Lime homes and.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Injured. It doesn't it doesn't really stop anything, does no.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
But you look at this Friday night, so they're playing
Sydney at home. Sydney have also got their personnel back
and what a difference that made, particularly seeing Aerol Golden
run around again. But you know the thing is there's
still only just in the eight and gold Coast have
got an extra game in their kid. I think they've
got so they need to see that.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
The Bulldogs have got some points of difference that make
them the massive that we've spoken about it on here
before about them being a Premiership threat. Their biggest issue
for me, and that is I think their bottom four
or five players is weaker than the other top teams,
but their top five, the top players are as good
as anyone's. Like Sam Darci is, like Jeremy Cameron, he
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is this sort of incredible talent that is, you know,
as I say, a point of difference to others and
incredibly hard to stop. And they do have that midfield
and they've got Bond. I was thinking that with like
the Dacos discussion, Bonds and Crips and these guys, because
they're the big midfielders. The bigger midfielders, they're not as
routinely the tagged in that style of way because they're
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just so much harder to this, that much more powerful
to stop.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Well, look, I think that you can look at some
premierships that are one where you get an overlap between
one or two champions who are at near the tail
end of their career and you have emerging superstars coming up.
And for instance, Colin Wood had the end of the
Pendlebury era and side Bottom to a lesser degree coming
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in with Nick Daykos coming up, and they managed to
get this little ven diagram, this little intersection of those
careers and you can be lucky. I mean Richmond going
way back, Carrow had Royce Hard and Kevin Bartlett right
through their most of their glory era together Francis Burke.
So you get players together. But if you get the
young one with the old one now Botom Pelly, there's
a Bottom Pelly Darcy intersection and that period the Bulldogs
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have to win a premiership. They have to get a
flat that are generational like that, generational talents and Bono
Pelly performance and Darcy ability. You have to get a
flag out of it and then you can throw an
Ed Richards is a very good player, so you always
have other very good players. They've got the absolutely they
should be accepting nothing less than a flag in the
next three years.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
So they got up to Sydney on Friday night. I
mean Brisbane were thirteenth this time last year, but Brisbane
had played in a Grand Final the year before. The Bulldogs,
you know about out pretty quickly out of the finals,
straight away out of the finals last year. So they
need to beat Sydney. They absolutely need to win that
game and then it's you know, if they can start
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beating some teams in the top eight from.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Three weeks ago, it's now a really good game where
Sydney a few weeks ago. That Sydney is now getting
their players back. And you know he's made some calls
as well, Cox some people like Olli Florent that have
found themselves back out of the team. You know, he's
made some hard calls and they're playing much better footing
now Sydney and the Bulldogs. Do you think we the
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bud of the beverage reappointment. By the time it came around,
it was unsurprising, but from earlier in the year. We
did you expect it to play out that way?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Juri is still out for mine. I mean, he's clearly
a brilliant coach, but he seems to me like an
impact coach of four or five years. And it would
have been brilliant to go over to somewhere like Carton
or Melbourne next year. And Melbourne certainly talked about him
earlier this year and didn't do anything. And well no
one did anything. No one I don't think contacted him
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from other clubs. Look, they've stuck with the man they
know and love. He's made changes, They've made changes to
the foota department, got a much stronger footy boss. Now
it seems to be the perfect storm for Luke Beveridge,
who's sort of I don't think he's reinvented himself, but
he was on a charm offensive and he softened some edges. Yeah,
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well he's sought to his master. Well he sought to look,
as I said, clearly a brilliant coach. I would have
loved to have seen him go to another club and
take them to a flag, which I think he's capable
of doing in a very short time.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
And so Jake, speaking of impactful Jake Stringer, the super
sub well unwrapping the package.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It's exactly what you get him for, isn't it. You
know he's never going to be Jake's never going to be,
you know, leading the taking charge of leadership group meetings.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And you know, probably slightly ahead of Sub though myself, but.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well suits his physiology. He's an explosive power player and
he took the moment. He kicked two great goals and
they wouldn't have won the game without that. And who knows,
I mean, because the think about the Giants is their
best in their worst. There's still a bit of a
gap even within games. But who would want to play
them in a final? No matter where it's played.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
It was from the son. The sons will come away
disappointed because they know you lead that game. They could
have got out to six goals nearly. In fact, the
moment they could have got out to that was when
Callen Brown's jumping around on the mark being caught. You
could hear through the through the audio three times the
umpire calling stand and you can see him running around
and you think, how's that not a fifty meter penalty
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which would have been a goal, a kick taken at
the goals on the goal line. But despite wearing some
sort of pseudo West Coast jumper and playing away, they
got that. They got the jump And was there any
do you come away disheartened? Do you come away with
was there was there a disgrace in losing that game
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to that team?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Then they just can't win there? Dropping out, they can't
win there. They should have. They were in a bit
the best position they've ever been in to win at
eng Stadium and they blew it really and now, albeit
with a game in hand, they're out of the Ape's
just an observation.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Looking at the ladder here, it looks like you'll need
least thirteen to get in. So if there was a
team funnily enough to make it run at it, fancy
it would be Sydney. If there is going to be
a team come from the clouds like Carton did a
couple of years ago, you'd say it's the Swans. Well,
but it probably won't happen.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Gold Coast have got their home games. They they've got
Essendon twice in the back half and they've got Richmond.
So you've got to get you've got to win five. Ye,
they've got to win five on that to get in.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, they should make it. They could, well they don't.
If they don't, maybe a borderline again, if they don't
make it, it's a bit of a scandal, to be brief, She.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Sort of look at this freemantle of nine and five
and a sixth at the moment they've played fourteen, they
just don't look anywhere near as capable as the Bulldogs
or the Giants. Even it's it's and haven't had as
good a year in my view as Gold Coast, although
Gold Coast have got that game in hands. So gold
Coast only played thirteen, so gold Coast have done. They
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should make the finals, yep.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
And if they don't, it's a disgrace.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Well, not a disgrace, of course, it is.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Jake with the players they've got. Well, it is a disgrace.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
No that there's another word you can use. It's disappointed.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
It's a savage disappointment.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
What'd you think of the amusing moment at least amusing
moment of the play on call from a player on
the ground.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
And so mac Andrew's teammate.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Well that's what was reported at the time that mac
Andrew's teammate, So Mac Andrew is standing on the mark.
For those who didn't see mac Andrew's standing on the mark,
and Jesse Hogan's lining up for goal. It's about fifty
meters out and he's readying to go, readying to take
his kick in, someone's called play on. You can hear
it through the thing now. It was either mac Andrew's
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teammate trying to panic Jesse Hogan into playing on, and
I think they've agreed that it was a Gold Coast player,
but instead mac Andrew Bank just heard it and ran
to tackle Hogan and therefore was done for running over
the mark and penalties sort of made you wonder why
it doesn't happen more often.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yes, if it had been an opposition player and they
could prove that, would they have not given the fifty.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I think the rules have anticipated this. There's nothing in
the rule says if an opposition player says play on
and you then rush in, there will be no fifty.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
But like hearing someone in the crowd blowing a whistle,
you know, and they said, well I didn't blow it,
so I can keep going. Was amusing, if nothing else. Sadly,
Jeremy McGovern has been forced into retirement through the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
We should acknowledge a great career, great career, and a
really great parting speech. I thought, Jake, you know where
he sort of was philosophical. He's obviously tasted great success,
he's tasted great disappointment. He hasn't gone out the way
he would have wanted. But he is in his early
thirties thirty three, isn't he so so I'm not discounting.
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You just pray that you know, he has a good
and healthy life and this does not impact him as
he gets older. But it's a sign of the times
and it's going to keep happening, and unfortunately people are
going to have to change the way they play Gleaton.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yep, because it's really look first of all, we don't
want the fact that it's in a concussion of retirement
to overshadow what was a great career. I can't think
back to the twenty eight and Grand Final when he
had this internal injuries and you know, you'd speak to
West Coast people that he managed to play and if
he hadn't played, there's no way they would have won
that game. And you remember that last player in the game.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
That last play was hilarious because which he was part
of that major famous link of the change.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Or he took the mark, he took the intercept mark.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And he also admitted he took the intercept mark because
he was cooked and couldn't get back on the player
he was supposed to be on, and then the ball
fell to him because he was out of position, not
being able to anyway.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
He got up and played and they won the premiership
and it was a great effort and.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
He'll be able to celebrate that for the rest of you.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, but with the concussions, Yeah, we're just going to
be You're right, We're just going to have to get
used to it. And it is. Yeah, it is a
someone called it a meeting. You're coming at the game, Yeah,
Commission I think said that.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That's one of the reasons I think Jeff Brown would
make a great chairman. I mean, someone who understands the rules,
the implications of footy, who wrote the rules, who will
be all over the legal ramifications, and has been I
think quite critical of the AFL's handling in the past
of concussion and the way they've handled that legally. For
so many reasons, I think he'd be a great choice.
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Just putting it out there.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, I'd like to see the field. I'd like to
see the alternatives rather than just say Craig.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Drumming the John Wiley I think has had had some support,
whether he's still in or not, but they're the name
of Gordon. Yeah, I'm not sure he's still in there.
If he's got the support of all the clubs. I
think Peter Gordon make good chairman.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
He might be a bit not divisive, but he may
not have as popular right across the board. I think
he's smart.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I think Brown's got more support, significantly more support anyway.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Right, we'll take a break there, come back with quick questions.
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lines in a little of Ashcraft one more over the
top and they are cutting the Cats and the Rivens and.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Fifty and morrisl Chickies fifty.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Well, welcome back Carrow. It was a whiteout, a cotton
on whiteout at the Cattery last week, having lost on
Patrick Dangerfields one hundred and fiftieth game and at home
well other clubs attempt a whiteout.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Well, I mean it was a lot of money from
this spoint. So cotton on, wasn't it. Apparently each T
shirt costs him about five bucks, so there were forty
thousand T shirts. That's two hundred grand. Yeah, I mean
on them, they're trying something a bit different. It was
a pity for them that they lost. But they just
can't beat Brisbane, Jake, can they No, No, they can't
(35:08):
beat them anywhere.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Look, look, let's let's look at the great performance from Brisbane.
Some of the just a shout out to human clock.
He wasn't best on the ground, it was. It was
Harris Andrews was the best player on the ground and
I hope he gets the brown Low votes given that
defenders don't don't get them. As an interesting suggestion, I
think j Clark ran this that of getting a Defender's Award,
which I think is a good idea for the NFL.
(35:31):
But yeah, but I thought Brisbane's ball movement and their
class on their finish was fantastic. Was it just a
bad David along Probably Well at.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
The moment, yes, that's all it was. But those sorts
of losses you only know whether they were a mulligan
later on, when when you see the greater body of
work for now you do agree, you know, Chris Scott, Well,
it was just we have to consign it as that.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
But they clearly weren't. I mean, Lee Matthews said on
Saturday about they spent you know, it was a bit
of party mode. You know, they were celebrating, you know,
the game. It was a big game for them, celebrating
one hundredth of a new player and relatively new payer
and Tyson Stengel and the three fiftieth of danger. And
(36:19):
did they to the slightest degree, slightest n degree take
their eye off the ball? I mean they know, yeah,
and if it's you give them a mulligan. But they
were well and truly smacked, weren't they.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And Brisbane well and truly back in it up to
two losses, which the coach kept saying, but they weren't
really losses.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Brisbane seemed to need to be a challenge. They seem
to need stimulation.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, that's true. Is the curfew affecting Noah Bolter and
how he plays because he had a bit of a
stinker on someday.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Well, I hope that's it, because you know, I mean,
Cane Corn said on our show a few weeks ago,
that he should just they shouldn't play it for the
rest of the year because his stop start thing is
clearly afecting his footy. I think that's probably a bit
harsh or a bit strong, but he was Sam Darcy
(37:08):
just slaughtered him. And the way he played Bolter it
was without plan, it was without strategy, with some bizarre
sort of things, and it must be. It can't be
good for your footy to have gone through what he's
gone through and to be playing one week not playing
the next. The bigger long term worry for me is
it a seven year contract he signed?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I mean he's not playing like a player worthy of
that sort of deal.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Well, he may have been. He may have had a
whole lot of the year completely by the magistrate. From
that case.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Jake will stake a state of origin, make a comeback
next year and will that be a good thing? Pete
Ryan's written about it. The way government pushing making a
push for a way VIC game next year.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Oh look, it would be interesting to see, yes, whether
it's long term. I don't think you can do it
every year.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
And it's a called for this, Jake. You called for these,
didn't you? Celebration games?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I thought I was thinking afl W. I think the
afl WS it's got real.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
They need Australia v.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Island and I think they've got to do it an
all star game Erin's team against Daisy's or something like that. Yeah,
I think it needs No, I'm not sure. I'm not
as convinced about state of origin because there's so many
good players in Queensland and in other northern territory now
it doesn't line up as easily with w A and
s A v. VIC as it used to.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Well, yeah, I think they'll call it this. The plan
is w A v. Victoria in the first instance, given
that gather around soon afterwards, et cetera, et cetera, and
then if it but in the end, do you care
that it's just an exhibition game? I mean, I love
the Indigenous All Stars game. I thought that and it
was clearly, you know, wasn't a serious game. Soccer have friendlies.
(38:56):
They're really popular.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
If you look at if you look at what's happened
in in r L, which is taken over this this
idea that came out of the old VFL in nineteen
back in your father's day, Carow. I mean it was
a huge thing, and that ignited in state of origin
to have it. The reason why it works in state
of n RL is because it is full on it's
bigger than the club.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
It's bigger than that point.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
It's bigger than the whereas we would we're here in
the AFL, it would be something that's smaller than the club.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Well, this is as a concept that's it's popular with fans,
but not with clubs, so that the fans will like
the idea of having this state of origin contest. But
it's just persuading clubs to risk their players and therefore
risk a flag. It just never gets It's why it
(39:45):
always sort of fizzles in the end because players start
pulling out and aren't available. So if it's just that
exhibition game pre season, and.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
It's pretend it's anything else, no, that's right.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
It's that's why I'm saying I won't ever get that
sort of gravitask to it that will allow it to
be on a par with the news of the NRL types.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
But given practice games are so boring that you may
as well do something like this. I mean, it's sort
of a glorified practice game that has a bit more
interest Jake, nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, look, I don't mind saying it, but it's not
going to be at the I've got.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
And on that note, that is all we've got time
for for this week. Thanks to both of you, Jack
Caro for joining us, and thanks to Channel seven and
Fox Footy for the audio we've used in this episode.
If you'd like to get in touch, you can do
so via email, Real Footy pod at Theage dot com
dot au. Don't forget to subscribe, rate and review wherever
you get your podcasts. The Expert Tips podcast will be
(40:43):
back on Thursday. Catch you then
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