November 20, 2024 • 25 mins
Ricky Hollywood is back from her trip to Foxborough where the Los Angeles Rams collected an exciting road win. Trevor Sikkema from Pro Football Focus joins to talk about wide receiver Puka Nacua’s highest career (PFF) grade and more before previewing Sunday Night Football between the Rams and Philadelphia Eagles.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Welcome back to another episode of Ricky's ram Jan presented
as always by Barefoot Wine. What a fun twenty eight
to twenty two win over the Patriots this past weekend. Yes,
I got to go home. It was an amazing weekend home.
I got to see my brother and sister in law
for their gender reveals. So they're expecting. So it was
a Saturday filled with love. And then it was a
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Sunday Rams Patriots football game. I was really excited actually
to watch the Rams win in Jillette. It was really fun.
The atmosphere was amazing. I was with all my friends
and family who are all Patriots fans. My family was
wearing Rams gear, so you know they're supportive, right, And
we're in this tailgating lot and there's sausages cooking and Patriots.
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You know, Patriots Place Jillette is known for every parking
lot tailgate is out of control. So there's all these
Patriots fans grilling. I'm in my Rams gear, but we're
having a bunch of fun. In the middle of this
tailgate where a few kids with Cooper Cup jerseys playing catch.
So it was super fun to watch. The atmosphere was great.
It was so much fun. And now the Eagles come
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to town and it's Sunday night football under the lights
at SOFI Stadium. Joining me in a minute is Trevor
Sikamuf from Pro Football Focus.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We're gonna we're.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Gonna look back at the Patriots game and some PFF
grades and also the Eagles coming to town. But first
it's time for the coin toss. So we almost had
it last week. I was like, let's get a Matthew
Stafford QB sneak for in the end zone, and we
did get that, not in the end zone, but still
four touchdowns for Matthew Stafford's You know, we'll let it
slide this time. So how about this week option one?
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Cooper Cup and Pooka both got in the end zone
last weekend. Let's do that again, let's get a Pooka
Nakua touchdown and a Cooper Cup touchdown. So that's option one,
Option two. We've had strip sacks in the last two games.
How about a third? How about a Jalen Hurts strip sack.
So option one or option two? Let me know below
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what you think it's going to be Option one or
option two. Joining me now is Trevor Sikima, the lead
NFL draft analyst for PFF. And then I recently saw
you tweeted you're going to be diving in way more
into the NFL as well this year than you normally are.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yes, yes, so obviously I pay a heavy attention to
the NFL, but has some really cool opportunities for some
new shows that were doing over at Pro Football Focused.
So a ton of NFL draft stuff, ton of NFL stuff,
busy schedule during the season, but it's been a lot
of fun.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Are all over the place. I saw you were doing
something during halftime last night for Monday Night Football. Trevor,
when do you sleep?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
That's a great question to quote rappers.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You know, sleep is a cousin to death, if you will,
So that's kind of my motto at this point throughout
the season, but we find some time here and there
because you know, like you know, self health is important,
so we do try to get at least six to
seven hours of sleep every night, but don't always guarantee
that on Mondays and Tuesday, so we try to make
up for it on the back end.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Totally. Okay, so this may be hard, but how do
you sum up you know what PFF is or does
or when someone asks you, like, what is Pro Football Focus?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So you know when I talk about what Pro Football
Focus is, essentially is it is this data company that
it's the collection and the organization of data that makes
what PFF does so powerful.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You know, there's just so.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Many incredible people who are a part of our grading
process and our data collection process who honestly make watching
football I don't want to say easier, but just I
don't know what word I'm looking for, but it just
enhances so much of how you study the game.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You know, if you're watching a team and you have.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
This hunt, you go, man, you know what, I feel like,
this team doesn't blitz a lot, but I don't feel
like they have to blitz a lot. We can immediately
go into our database and see, okay, this is actually
how often a team has a four man front as
opposed to a five or six men coming on the blitz,
and we could also see how successful they are at that.
And on the flip side of things, if it were
to be a situation where it's like, man, I feel
like this team loves to rush for a lot, but
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they just don't get home, we need to again dive
into data and very clearly be able to figure that out.
So it's something that PFF has become so integrated into
so much of what the NFL does. We have partners
with all thirty two NFL teams and you know, coaches,
general managers, everything.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
They can use all that data for whatever they want.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And for us on the content side of things, it
helps us understand and cover the entire league at a
much higher level than we would be able to do
just on our own. And so to me, it just
enhances so much of all of the questions and all
of the things and the answers that I might want
to find out about the game after watching it live,
I go to PFF to figure out. So it is
just truly an enhancement of how you watch and understand
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the game because of the incredible hundreds of data collectors
that do incredible work to make PFF possible.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, I mean all the PFF grades are integral in
my study of the Rams and the NFL as a whole.
So it's been it's really cool to have you on,
so thank you so much. During your Rams Patriots preview,
your matchup that matters was the Patriots D versus the
Rams O line. The Rams O line kept Stafford clean
the entire game on Sunday. How impressed were you would
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that bounce back performance?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Very And it's exactly what you said.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It was a bounce back performance for them because you
know they've gone through their injuries right on the offensive
line throughout the season. This is one of the ones
our man, Like two weeks into the season, all the
injuries that the Rams were having to deal with, you know,
whether it was to their skill position players, but particularly
to the offensive line. You went, is just gonna be
like a waste of a year now where we're just
gonna sit here and say what if? And now we
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don't really have to, right this is still a team
that is in contention, and now you get these offensive
linemen back and last week it felt like you were
getting a lot of those guys back for the first time.
So maybe not quite the regularly scheduled offensive line, but
most of it was gonna be out there.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
We were very excited about that.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
And then they kind of struggled as a group and
we got oh, no, okay, well it's gonna take a
little bit of time. But it didn't take too long.
They were able to bounce back in a really solid way.
I thought they played very very well in like what
you said, just a bounce back performance for this team,
which is going to be very important for them. Obviously,
you're getting the skilled position guys back where everybody likes
to talk about the wide receivers and Matthew Stafford and
what Kiren does out of the backfield and all that
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good stuff, and that is obviously important. But how they
hold up up front, that is going to be a
major part of who ends up winning this division, whether
they're in a wildcard race at the end, and just
getting those healthy body backs is really really important. So
for them to kind of have that accelerated chemistry back
with one another, I think was really important because again,
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struggling in that in the game two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
That was you were a little worried. You're right, right,
you were worried.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It's like, okay, this is going to take like three,
four or five weeks for them to figure it out.
And then at that point are we going to be
sitting here saying, ah, man, nobody would have wanted to
play the Rams if they got into the playoffs, but
they just didn't have enough wins. Now, I'm hoping that
we don't have to say that when the season's all said.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, the Rams o line didn't allow a sack against
the Patriots and allowed just three pressures all game, which
the week before the Patriots had sacked the Bears nine times.
So it was a really exciting sort of come together.
Let's you know, everyone loves to talk about the position
and the skill position, so let's do that. Puka Nakua
had the highest grade of his career at ninety two
point six seven catches for one hundred and twenty three
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yards and a touchdown. Take me behind the science and
tell my Jammy's here how Puka grades out to a
career high.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It's just the efficiency, right, I mean at PFF, the
slogan is ever player, every play every game, and so
that's what we're doing. We're watching every single play and
we go beyond the statistics, so beyond not just the catches,
but also beyond the targets. What are you doing when
you are not targeted? You know, are you still creating
that separation?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Are you doing your job?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Are you correctly in the progression creating that space when
you're supposed to? Because I think people don't realize that,
you know, so much of of of play calling and
play design specifically, I should say, is about guys getting
open at certain times.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It's not like, Okay, everybody's gonna be open all at once.
You know, the NFL is really good. These guys are
really good at covering them. These defensive coordinators they're really
good at taking those things away. So you kind of
have to have these layers in there of Okay, this
guy kind of comes open at this time. For Pookunakua
to be able to grade at an elite level, it's
not just the production obviously, the production that he has
with the catches and targets and yards after catching the
touchdowns all that stuff that helps his grade.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Of course it does.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And I think this people sometimes look at like, oh,
you know, PFF, they grade every single game on like
a level playing field, And no, it's not quite that.
The higher impactful plays matter more. We give those more
weight into your grade and your performance. So it's not
like all of them are just like baseline zero and like,
oh okay, he had a catch that's in the good category.
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Oh okay he had a drop that's simply in the
bad category or whatever. There's levels to how we give
good grades and bad grades. We tried to make it
as contextual as possible. And so for Pooka to have
an elite grade, it means that he is doing what
he is supposed to be doing successfully on a regular basis,
even beyond just the catches and the targets and every
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single So that is how we come up with that
grade and why he's able to score as highly as
he does.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
So he didn't get extra points for that Jordan like
layout catch that was in the end zone, I mean
that should have added.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, he did, he did. He did get the extra
points for that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That's what I'm trying to say that that was just
such an incredible play. And again, we have this system
where you know, if it's just a good play. If
it's a positive play, you can give it sort of
just a marginally good play. But when you do something
like that, when you hit that route to perfection, you
create that throwing window and you lay all the way
out to catch that touchdown in the end zone.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Like that is a okay.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
You individually made that play happen at the very end,
and you get a little bit of extra bonus points
for that.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So you do.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
He was fully horizontal, Like, I don't even think my
body does that standing up straight? My posture is that bad?
I mean I was at Gellette watching this game, watching
that happen, and just everyone and the air was taken
out of the out of Gellette Stadium because everyone was
just like, how is that possible? So like, hang that
photo of him in the air in the louver because
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that was gorgeous. Pooka and Cooper are both in the lineup.
This offense can be so dynamic. I mean both of
them went for one hundred yards in the same game.
How can that continue to go forward and will work
against a team like the Eagles?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
No, I mean it's going to happen moving forward because
this is what this team wants to do. I think
when people think about, you know, wide receiver duos in
the NFL, I think that people think about, okay, like
what the Cincinnati Bengals have with Jamar Chasen t Higgins.
Some people think about the Philadelphia Eagles right with Devonte
Smith and AJ Brown. But you know, when you look
at what the Rams are doing, their offense is truly
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run through those two wide receivers this past week.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And it's not always to this extent.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But we have a data point or a statistic in
PFF's Ultimate Account where we call it threat is the
name of this category, and essentially it's wide receiver usage.
How often are you getting targeted per route that you
are running, which shows how much you are emphasized in
the passing offense. When you look at averages, just to
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give people a good number, you know, the top wide
receivers in the NFL that you know, the wide receiver ones.
If you will normally anywhere from like the low twenties
to the high twenty percentages. Sometimes guys like Justin Jefferson
and Ceedee Lamb, you'll get like, you know, low thirty
percentages for single games. Sometimes you can get like high
thirty percent low forty percent. This past game that they played,
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both Nikua and Cooper Cup had three percentages above forty percent.
They accounted for eighty eight point five percent of the
wide receiver usage number that the Rams had in the
passing game. So it is very clear that not only
do they love these guys, they say, you can't stop them.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You're gonna We know.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That, you know we're throwing to these players and there's
nothing you could do about it. Now, it's a really
really fun matchup with the Philadelphia Eagles this upcoming week
because they have a veteran in Darius Slay, they have
a rookie and Queenyon Mitchell who's playing at a very
high level despite being a rookie corner, which is very
tough to play that outside cornerback position as a rookie
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and play it as well and as consistently as Queenya
Mitchell has. And now over the last few weeks the
development of Cooper de John now playing in the slot,
another rookie corner who is playing at a very high level.
So they have now defensive backs on the outside to
match up with them and really take away what the
Rams like to do, which you say you don't have
the personnel to match up against both of these guys.
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They're too smart, they're too good at what they do.
They know how to get open. The Eagles do match
up pretty well against them, and so this is going
to be a dogfight between the cornerback group for the
Philadelphia Eagles and these two wide receivers because these two guys,
it's tough to find a smarter, higher IQ wide receiver
duo than what the Rams have. But man, the Eagles
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are playing so well in their secondary, so it's going
to be a great matchup to watch.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, really excited. We talked, you know, you kind of
talk about a defensive rookie and I want to get
into Jared Versu and Braden Fisc in a second. But
it also helps when you have Matthew Stafford, who's continuing
to amaze at age thirty six, his second four touchdown
performance in the last four games. I mean, when you
have a guy like Matthew Stafford throwing to these exceptional
wide receivers and then you know, opening up their run
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game with Kyron and everything. Like, I love that you
said it's going to be a dog by and I'm
really excit I for this primetime Sunday Night Sunday Night
football matchup. So I would love your thoughts on Jared Verse,
who's been, you know, a standout for the for our
defense in general, but also as a rookie. He leads
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all rookies with forty eight pressures and then Brandon Fisk,
his running mate from FSU, jumps off the board. I mean,
what are are you at all surprised how these two
have acclimated to the NFL?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
No, honestly, and look, I think that's kind of unfair
to not say that, like you're not surprised like Versus
having an unbelievable season. I love Jared Versus. He was
a top twenty player for me. He's one of my
favorite players in this draft class.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Shoot.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I felt like he would have been a top ten
pick if he would have came out of the draft
in the previous class. So he's just been that good
for the last couple of years while he has been
at Florida State. So the reason why I'm not surprised
at how Jared Versus playing is because he displayed a
NFL level power profile while he was at FSU, and
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I think that's often an area of trench play that
these guys going from college seing the NFL just aren't
used to how strong these NFL offensive linemen are. And
often you get these speed guys who are coming from
the college level who go, all right, well, I'm just
gonna hit you with a little two handed swipe, I'm
gonna hit you with a little cross chop. I'm gonna
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you know, like whatever it is, and I'm just gonna
get to the outside, maybe give you a ghost move
or give you a dip rip, whatever it is. And
then the second that an NFL offensive tackle just goes
whoop and shoves them three yards back, they go, wait
a second, You're not supposed to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
What was that level of power? That was crazy?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
And so with Verse, I never worried about that because
he displayed NFL levels of power while he was at
Florida State. Now, to say that I expected him to
have forty eight pressures already and be the absolute terror
that he is off of the edge, I can't say
that because I don't want to say that, because I
want to give him credit for how well he is
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playing above expectation, even though the expectations were high. If
he hadn't missed so many tackles. He might have double
digit sacks already. That's how good of a year we're
talking about from Jeriver. So it's awesome to see from him.
I was a big fan of Braiden Fist, really didn't
get to know much about him and his tape until
he got to the Senior Bowl and I started watching
more of his Florida State stuff and then going back
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throughout the earlier parts of his college career, and man,
he just he became this nightmare at every single spot
at Western Michigan.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
He was like that.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
At Florida State. He became almost unblockable at the end
of the season. And then when he was at the
Senior Bowl. You give it a couple of practices, a
couple of days, and man, Day two, day three, this
dude was all over the field. And Jim Naggy likes
to point this out. He's the first player that they've
had in Senior Bowl history where the other team, by
the end of the week, because of injuries and some
of the guys dropping out, they didn't have enough defensive
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lineman to play. So he went to Bradon Fisk and
he was like, Hey, I know you haven't practiced with
this other team at all whatsoever this week? Would you
switch teams for the game, and was like, sure, yeah,
why not. Goes out there, plays well during the game,
and it's just the type of competitor he is. He
obviously goes up and blows up the combine when he
was at Indianapolis. The Rams trade a good amount of
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draft capital to go up and get him. But it's
very clear that this is a this is a defensive
line that they're very clear building around. And it's not
just them either, Kobe Turners having a great season.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Byron Young is coming along with the other edge rush spot.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Bobby Brown's been fantastic as a run defender, as has
Tyler Davis, their sixth round pick at a Clemson. So
this is one of the better young defensive lines in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
This might be the youngest.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Defensive line in the NFL in terms of their you know,
starter and rotational pieces that they have in there. And
they are absolutely an exciting group that's playing already playing
well already here at younger ages.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Terry, you have me so pumped up because we're talking
about all these guys on the Rams that are just
exceptional and so now the Eagles come to town for
Sunday Night football, winners of sixth straight. I mean, you
have Jalen Hurts, who leads all quarterbacks with ten rushing
touchdowns this season. You have Sakwan Barkley, who is a
gymnast slash like levitating monster. I mean, but but when
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we talk about this young just defense and all that
they're doing to step up with this Rams offense, Like,
how does Philadelphia game plan for this Rams defense? And
We're gonna have a great game.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, I think that this is gonna be a fun one.
I think the matchup that matters, if you will, if
I'm giving you one early before the PFF preview this week,
is the is the Rams corners against the Eagles wide receivers,
Like that is the big time matchup because the Eagles
offensive line it's one of the best in the NFL, right,
especially when Lane Johnson and Jordan Mailatta are healthy. Their
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interior offensive line is great as well. But I think
the Rams are not going to back down from that
challenge on the defensive line. So I think that's gonna
be a fun battle there.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Group.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
You know how cam Kinch's is playing, how Camp curl
is playing like those guys are going to be able
to play. I think certainly the tight ends very well.
They're gonna be able to help out against Saquon Barkley.
Although you can't totally stop Saquon Barkley. You might be
able to slow them down a little bit. But the
big issue is can you stop the shot plays because
right now Philadelphia's offense is it's the Saquon Barkley offense.
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Everything they do revolves around Saquon Barkley being one of
the best running backs, if not the best running back
in the NFL this season, and they compliment that in
two different ways.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
One, when they get in third.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Or fourth and short situations, whether it's at the goal
line or whether it's just down in distance of a
regular third or fourth down, they're very comfortable with the
tush push, right with Jalen Hurts picking up at least
two yards Every single time they do that. It feels
like a cheat code. So anytime they get themselves into
third and three or less, you almost feel like they're
going to convert that down. So that's a compliment to
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what Saquon is for them in the early downs. And
then when you get to the pass game. It's a
lot of shot play stuff. It's a lot of single
If you single cover aj Brown, they are not afraid
at all to throw the ball forty fifty yards down
the field to give him a chance because he's one
of the best in the NFL at going up and
converting those single coverage opportunities deep down the field. So
it's a shot play passing game paired with a mainly
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strong rushing attack for this team. And if the Rams
can limit those shot plays to maybe only one or
two big catches instead of three four five, that's how
I think that you could really get yourself ahead on
the scoreboard when it's all said and done.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I love it so total PFF grade for this episode.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I'm giving Am I giving this one? Or are you
giving me a PF scrader? You should give it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You're you're the you're the expert.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Well, I think I think we covered everything here. I
think you know you did a wonderful job introing as
the host. So I think we got to go into
elite grade. This is ninety eight point five grade. You know,
you gotta give yourself a little bit of room to
get better, because you.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Gotta stay motivated, but I'll give to ninety eight point five. Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Elite is I'm honored and I'm looking forward to to
seeing you know the PFF main account tweet this out
later about you know, just the elite shows, so I
appreciate it, Trevor. Before I let you go here, it's
time for the ram jam, where I ask my guests
the same three questions rapid fire style every show. So
describe your perfect day start to finish, like, what are
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the three what are the main things that makes a
Trevor day?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Okay, I have two separate answers. One's a real answer
and the other one's like a guilty pleasure answer. The
one real answer is we have the opportunity. My fiance
and I had the opportunity to go to Hawaii this summer.
And the real answer is basically just any day with
my fiance in Hawaii. You know, you wake up whenever
you want, you go get breakfast, and then it's just beach.
You're at the beach the whole day, the beautiful water,
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the beautiful weather. Then you're going out to eat, You're
enjoying some drinks with the Hawaii sunset, with the islands
in the background.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
That is my ideal date.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
My guilty leisure day though, just got to let you
know we just bought a house not long ago. And
on Saturdays on thank you, thank You. On Saturdays during
the season, I love waking up, not setting an alarm,
waking up, taking my dog to the dog park, bringing
the dog, tiring them out a little bit. And then
when college football kicks off at noon, I'm in the garage.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I'm rearranging. I'm like, I'm changing stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Just like just like a Saturday by myself in the
garage getting work done.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
That's that's kind of like my guilty pleasure day right now.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
During WOW, I love that I'm probably gonna lean more
towards Hawaii for for me.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
But that's fine, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Which celebrity would you like to switch lives for for
one day? And why?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Okay, this is.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
The first two people that I thought of with this question,
John Cena or Luke Combs. All right, and very quickly
I'll very quickly break down.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, John Cena is a.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Little a little bit, but it's sort of it's sort
of the same thing that it's sort of the thing
the same theme here for John Cena, I think it
is one.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
He has the it.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
He has the ability to impact so many people's lives
with just joy. I mean when that guy walks in
a room, people smile, they freak out. He brings so
many people joy just by like doing the things that
he does during the day. And so like to be
that kind of person where like you walk in a
room and like you make a kid's day or something
like that, just like the little things you do where
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you bring people joy, that would be really cool. And
then of course, like you know when your theme music
goes off and a whole stadium erupts and you walk
out on stage and it just goes crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That's also the Luke Combs.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Thing, because we went we went and saw Luke Comb's
concert not too long ago, and it was two and
a half hours of every single person in this stadium
of like forty fifty thousand people knowing every single word
to every single song, And like that would the feeling
that you would get, Like it's like a Taylor Swift
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thing too. You know, like any any big artist being
on stage and singing with fifty thousand people like your
own song, that's got to be like an.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Experience on like any other.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
So those are the two that I thought of that
I would switch places.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I love that. I love that. Lastly, iced coffee on
a snowy day, or hot coffee in a.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Heat wave, h iced coffee on a cold day. I'm
I am an ice coffee guy. I used to not
be an honest coffee guy, but my fiance has converted
me over to iced coffee at all times, no matter
the weather, weather, over everything.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So iced coffee and a cold.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Day, I love it. I love it. Trevor, thank you
so much for your time today, and everybody make sure
you go follow him on Twitter and wherever you get
your podcast, because I know you're posting shows and content daily.
He's over at PFF, he is everywhere. So Trevor, thank
you so much for hanging out today.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I appreciate you having me. Thank you. There, he goes.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I am feeling I'm so excited for this Sunday night
football game. That does it for this week's Rickey's Ram Jam.
The Rams have won four out of the last five games,
and now, like I said, it's so far under the lights.
I can't wait to see you all there, jammies. You
know what to do Let's ram it
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Welcome back to another episode of Ricky's ram Jan presented
as always by Barefoot Wine. What a fun twenty eight
to twenty two win over the Patriots this past weekend. Yes,
I got to go home. It was an amazing weekend home.
I got to see my brother and sister in law
for their gender reveals. So they're expecting. So it was
a Saturday filled with love. And then it was a
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Sunday Rams Patriots football game. I was really excited actually
to watch the Rams win in Jillette. It was really fun.
The atmosphere was amazing. I was with all my friends
and family who are all Patriots fans. My family was
wearing Rams gear, so you know they're supportive, right, And
we're in this tailgating lot and there's sausages cooking and Patriots.
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You know, Patriots Place Jillette is known for every parking
lot tailgate is out of control. So there's all these
Patriots fans grilling. I'm in my Rams gear, but we're
having a bunch of fun. In the middle of this
tailgate where a few kids with Cooper Cup jerseys playing catch.
So it was super fun to watch. The atmosphere was great.
It was so much fun. And now the Eagles come
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to town and it's Sunday night football under the lights
at SOFI Stadium. Joining me in a minute is Trevor
Sikamuf from Pro Football Focus.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We're gonna we're.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Gonna look back at the Patriots game and some PFF
grades and also the Eagles coming to town. But first
it's time for the coin toss. So we almost had
it last week. I was like, let's get a Matthew
Stafford QB sneak for in the end zone, and we
did get that, not in the end zone, but still
four touchdowns for Matthew Stafford's You know, we'll let it
slide this time. So how about this week option one?
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Cooper Cup and Pooka both got in the end zone
last weekend. Let's do that again, let's get a Pooka
Nakua touchdown and a Cooper Cup touchdown. So that's option one,
Option two. We've had strip sacks in the last two games.
How about a third? How about a Jalen Hurts strip sack.
So option one or option two? Let me know below
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what you think it's going to be Option one or
option two. Joining me now is Trevor Sikima, the lead
NFL draft analyst for PFF. And then I recently saw
you tweeted you're going to be diving in way more
into the NFL as well this year than you normally are.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yes, yes, so obviously I pay a heavy attention to
the NFL, but has some really cool opportunities for some
new shows that were doing over at Pro Football Focused.
So a ton of NFL draft stuff, ton of NFL stuff,
busy schedule during the season, but it's been a lot
of fun.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Are all over the place. I saw you were doing
something during halftime last night for Monday Night Football. Trevor,
when do you sleep?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
That's a great question to quote rappers.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You know, sleep is a cousin to death, if you will,
So that's kind of my motto at this point throughout
the season, but we find some time here and there
because you know, like you know, self health is important,
so we do try to get at least six to
seven hours of sleep every night, but don't always guarantee
that on Mondays and Tuesday, so we try to make
up for it on the back end.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Totally. Okay, so this may be hard, but how do
you sum up you know what PFF is or does
or when someone asks you, like, what is Pro Football Focus?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So you know when I talk about what Pro Football
Focus is, essentially is it is this data company that
it's the collection and the organization of data that makes
what PFF does so powerful.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You know, there's just so.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Many incredible people who are a part of our grading
process and our data collection process who honestly make watching
football I don't want to say easier, but just I
don't know what word I'm looking for, but it just
enhances so much of how you study the game.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You know, if you're watching a team and you have.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
This hunt, you go, man, you know what, I feel like,
this team doesn't blitz a lot, but I don't feel
like they have to blitz a lot. We can immediately
go into our database and see, okay, this is actually
how often a team has a four man front as
opposed to a five or six men coming on the blitz,
and we could also see how successful they are at that.
And on the flip side of things, if it were
to be a situation where it's like, man, I feel
like this team loves to rush for a lot, but
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they just don't get home, we need to again dive
into data and very clearly be able to figure that out.
So it's something that PFF has become so integrated into
so much of what the NFL does. We have partners
with all thirty two NFL teams and you know, coaches,
general managers, everything.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
They can use all that data for whatever they want.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And for us on the content side of things, it
helps us understand and cover the entire league at a
much higher level than we would be able to do
just on our own. And so to me, it just
enhances so much of all of the questions and all
of the things and the answers that I might want
to find out about the game after watching it live,
I go to PFF to figure out. So it is
just truly an enhancement of how you watch and understand
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the game because of the incredible hundreds of data collectors
that do incredible work to make PFF possible.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, I mean all the PFF grades are integral in
my study of the Rams and the NFL as a whole.
So it's been it's really cool to have you on,
so thank you so much. During your Rams Patriots preview,
your matchup that matters was the Patriots D versus the
Rams O line. The Rams O line kept Stafford clean
the entire game on Sunday. How impressed were you would
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that bounce back performance?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Very And it's exactly what you said.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It was a bounce back performance for them because you
know they've gone through their injuries right on the offensive
line throughout the season. This is one of the ones
our man, Like two weeks into the season, all the
injuries that the Rams were having to deal with, you know,
whether it was to their skill position players, but particularly
to the offensive line. You went, is just gonna be
like a waste of a year now where we're just
gonna sit here and say what if? And now we
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don't really have to, right this is still a team
that is in contention, and now you get these offensive
linemen back and last week it felt like you were
getting a lot of those guys back for the first time.
So maybe not quite the regularly scheduled offensive line, but
most of it was gonna be out there.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
We were very excited about that.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
And then they kind of struggled as a group and
we got oh, no, okay, well it's gonna take a
little bit of time. But it didn't take too long.
They were able to bounce back in a really solid way.
I thought they played very very well in like what
you said, just a bounce back performance for this team,
which is going to be very important for them. Obviously,
you're getting the skilled position guys back where everybody likes
to talk about the wide receivers and Matthew Stafford and
what Kiren does out of the backfield and all that
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good stuff, and that is obviously important. But how they
hold up up front, that is going to be a
major part of who ends up winning this division, whether
they're in a wildcard race at the end, and just
getting those healthy body backs is really really important. So
for them to kind of have that accelerated chemistry back
with one another, I think was really important because again,
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struggling in that in the game two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
That was you were a little worried. You're right, right,
you were worried.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It's like, okay, this is going to take like three,
four or five weeks for them to figure it out.
And then at that point are we going to be
sitting here saying, ah, man, nobody would have wanted to
play the Rams if they got into the playoffs, but
they just didn't have enough wins. Now, I'm hoping that
we don't have to say that when the season's all said.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, the Rams o line didn't allow a sack against
the Patriots and allowed just three pressures all game, which
the week before the Patriots had sacked the Bears nine times.
So it was a really exciting sort of come together.
Let's you know, everyone loves to talk about the position
and the skill position, so let's do that. Puka Nakua
had the highest grade of his career at ninety two
point six seven catches for one hundred and twenty three
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yards and a touchdown. Take me behind the science and
tell my Jammy's here how Puka grades out to a
career high.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It's just the efficiency, right, I mean at PFF, the
slogan is ever player, every play every game, and so
that's what we're doing. We're watching every single play and
we go beyond the statistics, so beyond not just the catches,
but also beyond the targets. What are you doing when
you are not targeted? You know, are you still creating
that separation?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Are you doing your job?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Are you correctly in the progression creating that space when
you're supposed to? Because I think people don't realize that,
you know, so much of of of play calling and
play design specifically, I should say, is about guys getting
open at certain times.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It's not like, Okay, everybody's gonna be open all at once.
You know, the NFL is really good. These guys are
really good at covering them. These defensive coordinators they're really
good at taking those things away. So you kind of
have to have these layers in there of Okay, this
guy kind of comes open at this time. For Pookunakua
to be able to grade at an elite level, it's
not just the production obviously, the production that he has
with the catches and targets and yards after catching the
touchdowns all that stuff that helps his grade.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Of course it does.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And I think this people sometimes look at like, oh,
you know, PFF, they grade every single game on like
a level playing field, And no, it's not quite that.
The higher impactful plays matter more. We give those more
weight into your grade and your performance. So it's not
like all of them are just like baseline zero and like,
oh okay, he had a catch that's in the good category.
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Oh okay he had a drop that's simply in the
bad category or whatever. There's levels to how we give
good grades and bad grades. We tried to make it
as contextual as possible. And so for Pooka to have
an elite grade, it means that he is doing what
he is supposed to be doing successfully on a regular basis,
even beyond just the catches and the targets and every
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single So that is how we come up with that
grade and why he's able to score as highly as
he does.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
So he didn't get extra points for that Jordan like
layout catch that was in the end zone, I mean
that should have added.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, he did, he did. He did get the extra
points for that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That's what I'm trying to say that that was just
such an incredible play. And again, we have this system
where you know, if it's just a good play. If
it's a positive play, you can give it sort of
just a marginally good play. But when you do something
like that, when you hit that route to perfection, you
create that throwing window and you lay all the way
out to catch that touchdown in the end zone.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Like that is a okay.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
You individually made that play happen at the very end,
and you get a little bit of extra bonus points
for that.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So you do.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
He was fully horizontal, Like, I don't even think my
body does that standing up straight? My posture is that bad?
I mean I was at Gellette watching this game, watching
that happen, and just everyone and the air was taken
out of the out of Gellette Stadium because everyone was
just like, how is that possible? So like, hang that
photo of him in the air in the louver because
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that was gorgeous. Pooka and Cooper are both in the lineup.
This offense can be so dynamic. I mean both of
them went for one hundred yards in the same game.
How can that continue to go forward and will work
against a team like the Eagles?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
No, I mean it's going to happen moving forward because
this is what this team wants to do. I think
when people think about, you know, wide receiver duos in
the NFL, I think that people think about, okay, like
what the Cincinnati Bengals have with Jamar Chasen t Higgins.
Some people think about the Philadelphia Eagles right with Devonte
Smith and AJ Brown. But you know, when you look
at what the Rams are doing, their offense is truly
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run through those two wide receivers this past week.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And it's not always to this extent.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But we have a data point or a statistic in
PFF's Ultimate Account where we call it threat is the
name of this category, and essentially it's wide receiver usage.
How often are you getting targeted per route that you
are running, which shows how much you are emphasized in
the passing offense. When you look at averages, just to
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give people a good number, you know, the top wide
receivers in the NFL that you know, the wide receiver ones.
If you will normally anywhere from like the low twenties
to the high twenty percentages. Sometimes guys like Justin Jefferson
and Ceedee Lamb, you'll get like, you know, low thirty
percentages for single games. Sometimes you can get like high
thirty percent low forty percent. This past game that they played,
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both Nikua and Cooper Cup had three percentages above forty percent.
They accounted for eighty eight point five percent of the
wide receiver usage number that the Rams had in the
passing game. So it is very clear that not only
do they love these guys, they say, you can't stop them.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You're gonna We know.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That, you know we're throwing to these players and there's
nothing you could do about it. Now, it's a really
really fun matchup with the Philadelphia Eagles this upcoming week
because they have a veteran in Darius Slay, they have
a rookie and Queenyon Mitchell who's playing at a very
high level despite being a rookie corner, which is very
tough to play that outside cornerback position as a rookie
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and play it as well and as consistently as Queenya
Mitchell has. And now over the last few weeks the
development of Cooper de John now playing in the slot,
another rookie corner who is playing at a very high level.
So they have now defensive backs on the outside to
match up with them and really take away what the
Rams like to do, which you say you don't have
the personnel to match up against both of these guys.
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They're too smart, they're too good at what they do.
They know how to get open. The Eagles do match
up pretty well against them, and so this is going
to be a dogfight between the cornerback group for the
Philadelphia Eagles and these two wide receivers because these two guys,
it's tough to find a smarter, higher IQ wide receiver
duo than what the Rams have. But man, the Eagles
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are playing so well in their secondary, so it's going
to be a great matchup to watch.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, really excited. We talked, you know, you kind of
talk about a defensive rookie and I want to get
into Jared Versu and Braden Fisc in a second. But
it also helps when you have Matthew Stafford, who's continuing
to amaze at age thirty six, his second four touchdown
performance in the last four games. I mean, when you
have a guy like Matthew Stafford throwing to these exceptional
wide receivers and then you know, opening up their run
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game with Kyron and everything. Like, I love that you
said it's going to be a dog by and I'm
really excit I for this primetime Sunday Night Sunday Night
football matchup. So I would love your thoughts on Jared Verse,
who's been, you know, a standout for the for our
defense in general, but also as a rookie. He leads
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all rookies with forty eight pressures and then Brandon Fisk,
his running mate from FSU, jumps off the board. I mean,
what are are you at all surprised how these two
have acclimated to the NFL?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
No, honestly, and look, I think that's kind of unfair
to not say that, like you're not surprised like Versus
having an unbelievable season. I love Jared Versus. He was
a top twenty player for me. He's one of my
favorite players in this draft class.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Shoot.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I felt like he would have been a top ten
pick if he would have came out of the draft
in the previous class. So he's just been that good
for the last couple of years while he has been
at Florida State. So the reason why I'm not surprised
at how Jared Versus playing is because he displayed a
NFL level power profile while he was at FSU, and
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I think that's often an area of trench play that
these guys going from college seing the NFL just aren't
used to how strong these NFL offensive linemen are. And
often you get these speed guys who are coming from
the college level who go, all right, well, I'm just
gonna hit you with a little two handed swipe, I'm
gonna hit you with a little cross chop. I'm gonna
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you know, like whatever it is, and I'm just gonna
get to the outside, maybe give you a ghost move
or give you a dip rip, whatever it is. And
then the second that an NFL offensive tackle just goes
whoop and shoves them three yards back, they go, wait
a second, You're not supposed to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
What was that level of power? That was crazy?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
And so with Verse, I never worried about that because
he displayed NFL levels of power while he was at
Florida State. Now, to say that I expected him to
have forty eight pressures already and be the absolute terror
that he is off of the edge, I can't say
that because I don't want to say that, because I
want to give him credit for how well he is
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playing above expectation, even though the expectations were high. If
he hadn't missed so many tackles. He might have double
digit sacks already. That's how good of a year we're
talking about from Jeriver. So it's awesome to see from him.
I was a big fan of Braiden Fist, really didn't
get to know much about him and his tape until
he got to the Senior Bowl and I started watching
more of his Florida State stuff and then going back
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throughout the earlier parts of his college career, and man,
he just he became this nightmare at every single spot
at Western Michigan.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
He was like that.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
At Florida State. He became almost unblockable at the end
of the season. And then when he was at the
Senior Bowl. You give it a couple of practices, a
couple of days, and man, Day two, day three, this
dude was all over the field. And Jim Naggy likes
to point this out. He's the first player that they've
had in Senior Bowl history where the other team, by
the end of the week, because of injuries and some
of the guys dropping out, they didn't have enough defensive
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lineman to play. So he went to Bradon Fisk and
he was like, Hey, I know you haven't practiced with
this other team at all whatsoever this week? Would you
switch teams for the game, and was like, sure, yeah,
why not. Goes out there, plays well during the game,
and it's just the type of competitor he is. He
obviously goes up and blows up the combine when he
was at Indianapolis. The Rams trade a good amount of
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draft capital to go up and get him. But it's
very clear that this is a this is a defensive
line that they're very clear building around. And it's not
just them either, Kobe Turners having a great season.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Byron Young is coming along with the other edge rush spot.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Bobby Brown's been fantastic as a run defender, as has
Tyler Davis, their sixth round pick at a Clemson. So
this is one of the better young defensive lines in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
This might be the youngest.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Defensive line in the NFL in terms of their you know,
starter and rotational pieces that they have in there. And
they are absolutely an exciting group that's playing already playing
well already here at younger ages.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Terry, you have me so pumped up because we're talking
about all these guys on the Rams that are just
exceptional and so now the Eagles come to town for
Sunday Night football, winners of sixth straight. I mean, you
have Jalen Hurts, who leads all quarterbacks with ten rushing
touchdowns this season. You have Sakwan Barkley, who is a
gymnast slash like levitating monster. I mean, but but when
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we talk about this young just defense and all that
they're doing to step up with this Rams offense, Like,
how does Philadelphia game plan for this Rams defense? And
We're gonna have a great game.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, I think that this is gonna be a fun one.
I think the matchup that matters, if you will, if
I'm giving you one early before the PFF preview this week,
is the is the Rams corners against the Eagles wide receivers,
Like that is the big time matchup because the Eagles
offensive line it's one of the best in the NFL, right,
especially when Lane Johnson and Jordan Mailatta are healthy. Their
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interior offensive line is great as well. But I think
the Rams are not going to back down from that
challenge on the defensive line. So I think that's gonna
be a fun battle there.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Group.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
You know how cam Kinch's is playing, how Camp curl
is playing like those guys are going to be able
to play. I think certainly the tight ends very well.
They're gonna be able to help out against Saquon Barkley.
Although you can't totally stop Saquon Barkley. You might be
able to slow them down a little bit. But the
big issue is can you stop the shot plays because
right now Philadelphia's offense is it's the Saquon Barkley offense.
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Everything they do revolves around Saquon Barkley being one of
the best running backs, if not the best running back
in the NFL this season, and they compliment that in
two different ways.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
One, when they get in third.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Or fourth and short situations, whether it's at the goal
line or whether it's just down in distance of a
regular third or fourth down, they're very comfortable with the
tush push, right with Jalen Hurts picking up at least
two yards Every single time they do that. It feels
like a cheat code. So anytime they get themselves into
third and three or less, you almost feel like they're
going to convert that down. So that's a compliment to
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what Saquon is for them in the early downs. And
then when you get to the pass game. It's a
lot of shot play stuff. It's a lot of single
If you single cover aj Brown, they are not afraid
at all to throw the ball forty fifty yards down
the field to give him a chance because he's one
of the best in the NFL at going up and
converting those single coverage opportunities deep down the field. So
it's a shot play passing game paired with a mainly
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strong rushing attack for this team. And if the Rams
can limit those shot plays to maybe only one or
two big catches instead of three four five, that's how
I think that you could really get yourself ahead on
the scoreboard when it's all said and done.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I love it so total PFF grade for this episode.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I'm giving Am I giving this one? Or are you
giving me a PF scrader? You should give it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You're you're the you're the expert.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Well, I think I think we covered everything here. I
think you know you did a wonderful job introing as
the host. So I think we got to go into
elite grade. This is ninety eight point five grade. You know,
you gotta give yourself a little bit of room to
get better, because you.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Gotta stay motivated, but I'll give to ninety eight point five. Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Elite is I'm honored and I'm looking forward to to
seeing you know the PFF main account tweet this out
later about you know, just the elite shows, so I
appreciate it, Trevor. Before I let you go here, it's
time for the ram jam, where I ask my guests
the same three questions rapid fire style every show. So
describe your perfect day start to finish, like, what are
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the three what are the main things that makes a
Trevor day?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Okay, I have two separate answers. One's a real answer
and the other one's like a guilty pleasure answer. The
one real answer is we have the opportunity. My fiance
and I had the opportunity to go to Hawaii this summer.
And the real answer is basically just any day with
my fiance in Hawaii. You know, you wake up whenever
you want, you go get breakfast, and then it's just beach.
You're at the beach the whole day, the beautiful water,
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the beautiful weather. Then you're going out to eat, You're
enjoying some drinks with the Hawaii sunset, with the islands
in the background.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
That is my ideal date.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
My guilty leisure day though, just got to let you
know we just bought a house not long ago. And
on Saturdays on thank you, thank You. On Saturdays during
the season, I love waking up, not setting an alarm,
waking up, taking my dog to the dog park, bringing
the dog, tiring them out a little bit. And then
when college football kicks off at noon, I'm in the garage.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I'm rearranging. I'm like, I'm changing stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Just like just like a Saturday by myself in the
garage getting work done.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
That's that's kind of like my guilty pleasure day right now.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
During WOW, I love that I'm probably gonna lean more
towards Hawaii for for me.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
But that's fine, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Which celebrity would you like to switch lives for for
one day? And why?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Okay, this is.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
The first two people that I thought of with this question,
John Cena or Luke Combs. All right, and very quickly
I'll very quickly break down.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, John Cena is a.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Little a little bit, but it's sort of it's sort
of the same thing that it's sort of the thing
the same theme here for John Cena, I think it
is one.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
He has the it.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
He has the ability to impact so many people's lives
with just joy. I mean when that guy walks in
a room, people smile, they freak out. He brings so
many people joy just by like doing the things that
he does during the day. And so like to be
that kind of person where like you walk in a
room and like you make a kid's day or something
like that, just like the little things you do where
(23:33):
you bring people joy, that would be really cool. And
then of course, like you know when your theme music
goes off and a whole stadium erupts and you walk
out on stage and it just goes crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That's also the Luke Combs.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Thing, because we went we went and saw Luke Comb's
concert not too long ago, and it was two and
a half hours of every single person in this stadium
of like forty fifty thousand people knowing every single word
to every single song, And like that would the feeling
that you would get, Like it's like a Taylor Swift
(24:07):
thing too. You know, like any any big artist being
on stage and singing with fifty thousand people like your
own song, that's got to be like an.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Experience on like any other.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
So those are the two that I thought of that
I would switch places.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I love that. I love that. Lastly, iced coffee on
a snowy day, or hot coffee in a.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Heat wave, h iced coffee on a cold day. I'm
I am an ice coffee guy. I used to not
be an honest coffee guy, but my fiance has converted
me over to iced coffee at all times, no matter
the weather, weather, over everything.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So iced coffee and a cold.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Day, I love it. I love it. Trevor, thank you
so much for your time today, and everybody make sure
you go follow him on Twitter and wherever you get
your podcast, because I know you're posting shows and content daily.
He's over at PFF, he is everywhere. So Trevor, thank
you so much for hanging out today.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I appreciate you having me. Thank you. There, he goes.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I am feeling I'm so excited for this Sunday night
football game. That does it for this week's Rickey's Ram Jam.
The Rams have won four out of the last five games,
and now, like I said, it's so far under the lights.
I can't wait to see you all there, jammies. You
know what to do Let's ram it
Speaker 3 (25:20):
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