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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So we have another unfortunate situation where we had a
police pursuit and unfortunately someone lost their lives. And I
want to send my prayers and Gondolas is out to
the family of Chardet Elder, thirty seven years old.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Wow, okay, so this happened I guess over the weekend. Yeah,
I'm reading here. So the Calgary County Council, the President's
calling for changing those pursuits and the policy after this
deadly crash. Now we've heard of these several times even here, yes,
a lot here in Cleveland. And so I guess this
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report showed where the deputies reached the speeds of exceeding
one hundred miles per hour doing the chase. That's the
one officer had put us out of the the report.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And uh they thought that.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
So they saw the car downtown, Yeah, ga was the
person was suspect was driving recklessly and so no lights.
So they got permission to pursue this person. So they
got the permission and again so they I guess they
followed what the policies were. But what is your take
on this? Who wanted to get your take on this family?
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Because when again, where I'm not a police a policeman.
Big up to the police who out there working hard
doing their job. But when it comes to the safety
of innocent people chasing these cars and pursuits and folks
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losing their lives, what what do you guys take on that?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
And again.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I don't if this person let's say this person is
coming from the suspect is from a robbery or something,
do we pursue that, uh, just took a life. Do
we pursue that in jeopardy of losing someone else's life?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
This is not TV, this is real life. So I
wanted to get you guys take and your your your
thoughts on that, because that's that's very dangerous.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
People. Folks have lost their lives in these.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Pursuits, yes, and had nothing to do with it, nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
To do with it. When we had the kids.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
We remember out in Euclid the police had they chased
their kids with taking a car and then a woman
lost her life with that. So uh, I mean, I
wish we could get someone from lost law enforcement to
chat chime in. You have to say your name, a
district or nothing like that. But what did you guys
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take on this policy? And do you agree with the
council presidents saying, hey, look, we need to change the
way that the share, uh, these pursuit policies are. We
got we gotta we gotta change that.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
I mean, think about it, because you know, back in
the day when you probably would have done these police pursuits,
there weren't all these cameras, so you probably had to
keep an eye on the suspect, and you know, you
couldn't put a helicopter in the air all the time.
But now they have drone technology, they have helicopters, they
have cameras all over at the light poles and everything.
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You can definitely get a trail to see where this
person is.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
That's that's my theory, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
But it seems that with all the cameras and things,
you can just catch up with these people, you know,
when they stop, or follow them with the helicopter or
something like that, rather than try to chase them through
the streets.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Five seven x zero nine three one two one six
five seven x zero nine three to one. And I
was reading some of the comments online though, Folks were saying,
but if if the carjacker had just jacked you and
almost took your life, you would want the police to that.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Person, No, please take that car the car, you.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Get another one. You know what I mean, You get
another car.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I don't want to die.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, and you made it okay, so that's all I like.
But you made it though, Yeah, okay, someone else can
lose their life in the pursuit of them chasing them
because they carjacked you and took your car.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I mean, but you still alive. That was my take. Yes,
my thoughts on it.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Like this poor mother that lost her life, she I mean,
it was unnecessary for her to lose her life.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
H So what's your take? What's your thoughts on police pursuits?
What do you think makes sense? No, we're not the police,
but we are a citizen. We the taxpayers.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah okay. The county council president is uh looking through.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I want to make some changes the way that these
pursuits are all right, after another deadly crash, we're taking
your calls five seven eight er werena three one.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
They need to do it better job. But as June
first almost lost my fiance, I was actually on the
phone with her while Cleveland Heights Cleveland in South Yuklead
were chasing someone they had chased two times previous year,
ninety four miles an hour. The chase started on Monticello
ended on Grotten Road, with the guy running into the
back of my fiance ninety four miles per hour, flipping
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her car over heads up. I mean, just the thought
of you. I'm talking to my fiance and then I
just hear nothing, and a minute later I hear, ma'am, ma'am,
are you okay? She's out, she's unconscious. We have to
cut her out before kicking fire. It was the most
horrific thing to know, to think that you you're losing somebody,
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you're about the area and have no idea how to
get to the hospital and find out that she made it.
But the process of what these police are doing and
there quick to say, oh, we called off the chase.
But what they didn't know is I was on the
phone talking to her through bluetooth through the car. I
heard everything. I heard the sirens on Mantaicello. She turned down,
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what's that bell?
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Boar?
Speaker 5 (06:06):
And as she was turning to grod right, we heard
the cyrus again. She said, bab, they must still be
chasing them, and before her next word came out, silenced it.
And when the silence hid it was because he ran
into her at ninety four miles an hour. They needed
to do a much better job and stop, specially if
they chase the person before and know where the people
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are or have a location on somebody. Because it's like
you said, this young lady lost her life mine, Her
children were behind her, she was helping her daughter move
and if they would have turned off to get the pizza,
two of her children and three grandchildren could have been
in that current seat of her in that accident. So yeah,
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they need to They need to change the policies. Like
I said, they got cameras for everything. Start using them.
She was right, use them, monitor track, track where these
people are going and called off the pursuit, especially when
they end up in rest pidential neighborhood. And when Mark
Wilsa got here, it was by a park right right right,
grotten park. He got here right there by grotten park,
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kids playing and everything. Yo. Yeah, I agree with you
guys upon every step of that. They need to do
a better job with these police chases and monitoring the situation.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah all right, brother, man, I'm so glad that you
made it.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Man, Yes she did. She's recovering still now. But yes,
she made it. Luckily God was there and bought her
grew and much prayer to say out to this family
who lost their loved one.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, and reading here, this is the second time that
this particular deputy, now I guess it was five months
ago initiated another pursuit and innocent person died and that Yes,
so this is just me I be thinking I would
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take the officer to me. I think he needs to
definitely be chilling right now as far as that duty.
And then when it comes to I mean, two people,
two people die, what is the procedures that officers go
through if someone has lost their their life? My time
on this other the person that was in Jason, I'm
talking about innocent person in this pursuit. Like, mentally, where
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does that leave you? This is the second one. So
is he still downtown getting ready to pull someone over?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Like is he okay to do that? Can he mentally
handle that? Yeah? And family? And am I am I
making sense to you all here?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
If I if I don't know those policies, but me,
you know, I would be like, officer, you know whatever
you need to you know, we're gonna take you. We're
gonna take you off, We're gonna put you on something
else right now, you know, and go see a psychiatrist
or something.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Because you know, two people to folks matter their own
business in the middle of this pursuit.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Lost their life in five months. And I don't think
you need to be out there right now. That's just me.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
But who am I just a DJ And people shouldn't
be driving in pairs?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
No, should no?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And again we're not saying that you shouldn't do your job,
but some way and the policies need to change.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You all agree, what's your take on it?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Talking about police pursuits, should they be uh? What's your
take on changes on how it's done? I mentioned earlier
this this last pursuit that happened. This is an officer
of the Sheriff's second time in five months, unfortunately, where
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two people lost their lives in his pursuit that he
was given the not on Charde Elder lost her life
this past weekend. You have two people who are in
the suspects car. They're still in the hospital. Again, I
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mentioned some people feel like, well, hey, it's easy for
you to say, you know, don't pursue, but if something
happened to you, someone put a gun up to you,
a crime happened to you, and you call the police.
The police began to pursuit after that person. How would
you feel? And I'm not saying that that they shouldn't,
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you know, go after people. I'm not saying that, but
it brings up dialogue. At what point, especially with today's technology.
You mentioned this earlier about the cameras that we have.
Now we can get people tickets absolutely and you know
we can we can see what folks doing in other countries.
You know, what do we have here? And I'm just
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saying because you know, you know, we've been here several
times when people have lost their lives through these pursuits,
innocent folk, not the person, not necessarily the suspects.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
But what does your take?
Speaker 7 (11:02):
I believe wholeheartedly that the police had the responsibility to
pursue when somebody's in recklessly driving, legitimately recklessly driving, or
if somebody's in a stolen car and they need to
get that they need to get all the pertinent information
and get that car and get that person that's in
that car that they stole. Rayes Outbrook Park. She was
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murdered because that dude stole that car and t boned
her a couple of years ago. He only got sixteen years.
And the kid in the back seat of the car
who was just ride with him is a car thief
two and he's been stealing cars since then. The woman
that was killed coming from church over there in Collinwood,
when they pursued those dudes and that jeep, he got
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less than twenty years. He apologized in court. I saw it,
but she's dead. She's dead. And Chapman's kid I actually
knew over there in East Cleveland coming from the library,
same thing. So I asked this question exit did the
police run into this woman or did the person they
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were pursuing running to her. I don't know, because if
the police didn't hit her, and it was the car
out in front of them, which was a car they're
trying to get the attention to, that's what.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Suspect struct The suspects struck the.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Vehicle well speed undred hundred plus miles per hour.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
The suspecting the chase.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Hit her vehicle, and in the process, you better believe
some people did not get hit because they heard those
that siren. Had that siren not been back there, they
probably would have hit somebody else before they got to her,
But that siren was back there learning people. It just
didn't get to her in turn. So you know, a
just like just like you said, if it was your car,
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if you just got car jack you want to you know, don't, right,
don't be a reckless driving cop through the city to
Saint the movies, you know, but you need to be
somewhere with that syric here that a we're around and
something's going on. You need to look be alert.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
All right, Thanks Lott. What do you got to say
about it? When Tike you calls five seven days during
that three to one, welcome to the show.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Hello, Yeah, Sam. I moved back home to Cleveland a
few years I would say about a few years ago
from a military town, and they used drone technology and
their high speed pursuits. You know, you let the those drones.
They can accelerate a couple one hundred miles per hour
in minutes and go to any location of the city.
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Have the car just tell how the blue regular police
cars just tell the suspect until the drones get there.
They can get there and less than minutes. They don't
want to do it, They want confusion, they want panic
in the street. They can use. Also, they can use
satellite technology, live satellite satellite technology that they zing z
in on any location of your city. They can use
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modern technique, those sidellites and those drones. They got all
type of like infrared technology. They can see what you
got in your pocket, you.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Can see what's over in Iran exactly, and then shoot
a missile. Yeah you know, I'm just saying, I'm just thinking.
I mean, you're for a military right absolutely.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Well see, there you go.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
And what we need to do is citizens, we need
to show up at these city council meetings and these
county commission meetings and demand that they use the drone
technology that they have.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
It.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
They just don't use it on a white spelled, white
basis or white you know. They they rather do it
this way so that they have panic industrys and and
cause it its population control, that's all it is, you know.
Because they got the technology, they don't have to have
high speed chases through the streets
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Out all right, bro, I appreciate you, no doubt