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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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you're that.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
You're listening to Saturday Night on the Circle a ninety
three WYPC.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Let your feelings out in.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Sad Welcome back to Saturday Night on the Circle, where
I'm your host Ethan Hatcher and producer Jack is on
the board pushing those buttons in doing the things to
make the show function. I didn't want to start out
this week's episode with more Epstein talk, but this is
the story that refuses to die, and nor should it die,
because it's important for there to be actual accountability and

(00:41):
retribution for the victims of the largest sex trafficking scandal
in American, if not global history, and especially with the
ties to political figures. At this point, I am confident
that you and I, we collectively have all the information
that we need to know that there is a multiplicity

(01:01):
of powerful political entities that could be implicated in the
Epstein files, but to date we haven't gotten any clarity
on who those names might include, and currently Gislane Maxwell
appears to be discussing matters with the Department of Justice.
She was talking with representatives on Thursday, and now in

(01:24):
exchange for what we know not but she was moved
to a new cushy facility in Camp Brian, Texas. As
of Friday morning, she's serving a twenty year sentence for that.
She was convicted in twenty twenty two for helping Epstein
groom and abuse underage girls. Now the trump Is administration
is saying that the Epstein files don't exist and these

(01:45):
underage girls were apparently trafficked to nobody at all, and
yet Gislaine Maxwell was convicted. Curious, indeed, especially now that
she's moved to this cushy facility with such noteworthy residence
that include Fharranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes. You may remember her
for bilking millions of dollars on false research, promising medical

(02:05):
breakthroughs on blood testing technology that never came to be
because she was lying out of her ass. Also, Real
Housewives of Salt Lake City star Jennifer Shaw in Camp Brian,
Texas minimum security prison for women, and yet she is
being given the five star treatment in spite of her

(02:26):
gross crimes against a multitude of young women. Naturally, this
is outraged the family, who released a statement in the
fallout from this decision. Quote, President Trump has sent a
clear message today pedophiles deserve preferential treatment and their victims
do not matter. We the undersigned, are the family of
Virginia Roberts, Guffrey, and survivors of Jeffrey Epstein, Gizlane Maxwell.

(02:49):
It is with horror and outrage that we object to
the preferential treatment of convicted sex trafficker Jis Lane Maxwell
has received. Maxwell is a sexual predator who physically assaulted
minor children on multip occasions, and she should never be
shown any leniency. Yet, without any notification to the Maxwell victims,
the government overnight has moved her to a minimum security
prison in Texas. This is a justice system following failing victims'

(03:13):
rights before eyes. The American public should be enraged by
the preferential treatment being given to a pedophile and criminally
charged sex offender. The Trump administration should not credit a
word Maxwell says, as the government itself sought charges against
Maxwell for being a serial live liar, this move smacks
of a cover up and the victims deserve better. I

(03:34):
could not agree more, and I'm tired of being teased
of details that are never fully revealed the Democrats are
putting pressure on the administration, and now Senator Ron Wyden
of Oregon claims to have uncovered more than four thousand
wire transfers through one financial institution alone, totaling more than

(03:55):
a billion dollars, which would raise many red flags to
what those payments are for. And now he's putting pressure
on the IRS to investigate and release more detailed information
this In a YouTube video that was released this.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Week, we looked at suspicious activity reports, what are called sars.
We made it bipartisan, you know. We worked on this
early on with Republicans, and the more we saw, the
more concerned I was. And that's why most recently we
made clear that we were talking about well over four

(04:30):
thousand wire transfers. I knew that there'd be a lot
of wire activity trying to get so much money around
the world for Epstein's sex trafficking, but I never expected
four thousand wire transfers through one bank is one billion

(04:52):
dollars in total. We showed that this was not a
kind of flashy one off, and we assume that much
of what is in those wire transfers the details involves
activity in sex trafficking.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
He will never find the more wretched hive of scum
and villainy.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
We must be cautious. Four thousand wire transfers. Producer Jack Now,
is this not precisely what I discussed on this very show.
If not in the last episode, then certainly one of
the recent ones. The Epstein Files may not necessarily be
a little black book that he kept next to his
nightstand with detailed blackmail information against all those involved. It

(05:37):
very well could be records just like this, wire transfers
from Financial Institution's flight logs that include the names and
details of individuals who are flying to Pedophile Island, the
details and contents of which this makes up the Epstein
Files that Donald Trump, of course, continues to claim was
a Democrat hoax that simply doesn't exist. And now he too,

(06:01):
this week offered further insight that seems to connect him
with Jeffrey Epstein, where he now says that the falling
out of their former friendship was related to Epstein's stealing,
which is an interesting choice of words. Employees from Donald
Trump's mar Alago, one of which included the victim there,

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Virginia Guphrey.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
Epstein has a certain reputation, obviously, which is curious.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
Were some of the workers that were taken from you?

Speaker 7 (06:30):
Were some of them young women with some of them
were some of them young women?

Speaker 5 (06:35):
Well, I don't want to say, but everyone knows the
people that would take it, and it was the concept
of taking people that work for me as men. But
that story has been pretty well out there and the
answer is yes, they work.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, in the spot, in the spot.

Speaker 8 (06:53):
Yeah, people that work.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
In the spy the great spot, one of the best
pos in the world at mar A Lava, and people
would take it out of the spot hired by him.
In other words, God and other people would come and complain,
this guy is taking people from the spot.

Speaker 9 (07:09):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
And then when I heard about it, I told him,
I said, listen, we don't want you're taking our people,
whether it was SPA or not SPA, I don't want
to take you people. And he was behind and him
not too long after that, he did it again and
I said, out of here, I.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Stolen you know, persons that included from Virginia A.

Speaker 10 (07:31):
Free I don't know.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
I think you worked at the spot.

Speaker 9 (07:37):
I think so. I think that was one of the
people with you. He s told her and by the way.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
She had no complaints about us, as you know, done
what soever.

Speaker 11 (07:47):
Yes, I was on the Sex Island, but only for
the snorkeling.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
I didn't know anything about the kids stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh look, ninety percent of what went on down there
was not pedophilia.

Speaker 11 (07:57):
Oh yeah, no, the other five percent that's Souley goal operation.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Sure. He did notice the language that President Trump is
using when it comes to his employees, as if these
people are his personal property that's being stolen by Jeffrey Epstein.
And then he's also walking back the connection, or he's
reassessing the connection between his employment of Virginia Guffrey and
eventual abuse from Jeffrey Epstein. First he doesn't know, and

(08:24):
then he admits, well, yeah, I guess she was probably
one of the people that were quote stolen by Jeffrey Epstein.
More details that would seemingly tie President Trump to Jeffrey Epstein.
What the details are, we still don't know, because the
President and the Justice Department collectively are refusing to release
this information, allegedly to protect victims, but it seems to

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be protecting more abusers than anything else. This is part
of a deposition from twenty ten when Jeffrey Epstein was
under civil litigation for sexual abuse. This eventually blossomed into
the set victual trafficking scandal that consumed him and ultimately
resulted in his death in twenty nineteen. But at the time,

(09:08):
during this deposition, he was inquired about his relationship with
Donald Trump and whether it's centered around once again, just
like you heard Donald Trump's discussing there young girls. In
this instance, Jeffrey Epstein chose to take the fifth and
the sixth, then several other amendments to protect him from
self incrimination.

Speaker 12 (09:28):
Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?

Speaker 13 (09:34):
What do you mean by close in the relationships?

Speaker 11 (09:36):
Have you socialized with him?

Speaker 14 (09:39):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yes, yes?

Speaker 12 (09:41):
Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Females under the age of eighteen?

Speaker 15 (09:54):
Though I'd like to answer that question at least today,
I know i'd have to sert by fifth, sixth and fourteen.

Speaker 16 (10:01):
M regret sert.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Curious and curious.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
This is fascinating. Everyone is walking on pins and needles,
attempting to scrub themselves of a very cedy association, and
Jeffrey Epstein at the center, of course, no longer around,
no longer alive, we have the missing minute of footage
from his prison cell and not enough answers. Ron Wyden

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seems to think that this financial information will finally shed
light on the abuse, and it should. I don't care
who's implicated. There needs to be resolution and justice. Stay
tuned for more on ninety three WIBC. Coming up next,
we're going to talk about a sexual assault scandal that
was resolved here in the state or in the city

(10:51):
of Indianapolis recently, when a siting City council member seems
to have been wrongfully accused, and we'll give you more
details about that coming up next. Stay tuned.

Speaker 16 (11:09):
The Flowers for a couple of hours.

Speaker 8 (11:14):
On a beauty full night.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
You're listening to Saturday Night on the Circle on nightty
three WYPC.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Thanks for listening to Saturday Night on the Circle where
I'm your host Ethan Hatcher. This segment, I wanted to
discuss a story that started a few weeks ago with
what seems to be a spurious post that was uploaded
to Indie Mom's two point zero. And this is important
because nobody deserves to find themselves on the receiving end
of false accusations, especially when it comes to sexual impropriety

(11:47):
because when you make these false accusations, it dilutes the
seriousness that true accusations are taken. You are essentially devaluing
real vicvictims when you make false accusations of this nature.
And it was uploaded to indiewom's two point zero Facebook group,
where a user said, good evening, ladies, just a heads up.

(12:11):
This man assaulted my eighteen year old stepdaughter while they
were out on their second date. He groped her and
even as she tried to push him away, he tightened
his grip, saying he likes how she's playing innocent. She
feels as though the only reason he stopped is because
someone walked by as she was trying to get away.
I just wanted to share as a public safety announcement

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and keep other women safe. Attached to the post was
a photo of sitting City council member Nick Roberts, who's
a young man of age twenty four and certainly the
city council has not been above board in recent months
as they've fallen under scrutiny with the Thomas Carl Cooks
sexual scandal that was unfolding in the city administration. We

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know that the Fisher Phillips report said that ultimately the
city did everything it could, but improvements could be made certainly.
And then there was the Greg Taylor incident where accusers
stepped forward, and in neither of those instances did the
host of WIBC resort to victim blaming. We took those

(13:15):
accusations very seriously, and especially in when it comes to
the matters of Thomas Carl Cook. The women put forward
the receipts and they had substantiation, substantiation that in this
case seems to be sorely lacking. And in order to
repudiate these claims, Nick Roberts fortunately cooperated with police and

(13:37):
offered a litany of information. He too, kept the receipts
and addressed his followers on Facebook.

Speaker 17 (13:43):
Hey everybody, Nick Roberts here, I shout to take a
moment real quick speak directly you all regarding a recent
false allegation that was me against me. On July twelfth,
the first time I saw the secondhand defamatory post in
a Facebook group which accused me of unwanted physical contact
with a woman, quite went on two eights.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
With first fall.

Speaker 17 (14:00):
I just wanted to completely deny the allegation of doing
anything inappropriate. Quite frankly, I'm not sure why this Slanders
post is made about me, but it's incredibly hurtful and
I just need it to my entire family and ever
knows my character. I was very respect to all people,
and I would never engage in un wanted physical contact
but women without her consent. Because I had nothing wrong
and because I value transparency, I just wanted to share
the details of what actually happened. After her I matched

(14:21):
on the dating Apppinge. She texted me for the first
time in June twenty ninth to invite me to get
frunt with her. At the end of the date, with
her permission, I kissed her on the cheek. After the date,
she texted me and she appreciated that kiss, and I
agree that she would like more next time. She'd asked
me on a second date where we got ice cream
and walked around and fishers. Both dates were in public
where we were just walking on downtown, and nothing in
appropriate happened. We kissed consentially, which I had the text

(14:43):
messages to prove, and the date proceeded as normal. At
the end of the date, she once get leaned her
kiss on the cheek, who left in our own two cars.

Speaker 9 (14:51):
Yep, that's me.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation. Again,
nobody deserves to find themselves on the receiving end of
false accusations. Nick Roberts released the text messages and Mere
Indie reported quote that the woman who met Roberts on
the dating app Hinge said their first date together at
a coffee shop in Carmel went really well. Before they

(15:13):
parted ways, She said he gave her a hug and
kissed her on the cheek. When she texted him later
that day to thank him for the gesture, he said
quote it was my pleasure and you can get another
and maybe more next time. According to text messages reviewed
by Mere India, she said the remark left her feeling uncomfortable.
Roberts said he interpreted her next message though, to be consent,

(15:36):
where she wrote quote, I hope so I'd like that
with a smiley face. Producer Jack is nodding along because
anyone would interpret that as consent for future interactions. Now,
it's important to remember consent can be withdrawn. But these
interactions do not, on their surface, appear to be distressing.

(15:56):
More importantly, they went to public locations both on the
first and the second date. We are in a twenty
first century society, producer Jack, where you are surrounded by
cameras recording devices constantly. They went to cafes, they went
to an ice cream shop, They walked on a trail
where a trail cams are all around. If there was

(16:17):
evidence of physical assault, surely one of these devices would
have corroborated it. But as of July thirtieth, the Fishers
Police Department dropped their investigation because there was not enough
evidence to press charges. This is something that Nick Roberts
later updated to his Facebook page.

Speaker 17 (16:37):
Hey everybody, Nick Roberts here, I just want to share
a very important update that, as I expected and hoped,
the Fisher's Police Apartment because their thorough investigation, after looking
at all the facts and evidence, have closed the case
against me and are not pressing any charges.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Safe say, for the last few weeks.

Speaker 18 (16:50):
Have been a whirlwind.

Speaker 17 (16:51):
I'm very grateful law enforcement for looking a serious issue
like this and for their professionals and throughout the process.
Of course as well, I'll be continuing my work in
the city and serving our council distric because we entered
the budget season thank you so much for the support
of the last twenty four hours. Again it means the world,
and thank you for watching.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Quicktory false allegations such as this or what appears to
be false based on the information that we have currently
available cheapen real accusations like those levied against Thomas Carl
Cook because real victims are then taken less seriously thanks
to the selfish actions of individuals like this. It's also

(17:29):
created a social landmine for young men attempting to enter
the dating scene to such an extent that many people
are fearful of even interacting women with interacting with women
or members of the opposite sex unless they make the
first gesture. Here was a young woman on TikTok lamenting
the fact that, in spite of the outfit that she

(17:52):
chose in order to attract attention from the opposite sex,
nobody would even be willing to approach her. And this
is the social invironment that some selfish individuals have created
for the rest of us, which is unfortunate.

Speaker 19 (18:07):
Tell me why I'm doing well, looking, adorable, bouncing skins,
listening and yet you brain, ever, it's on your approaches. Ever,
Oh my god, like please, I'll take a point construction
murder cut call at this point, please, oh, what are

(18:30):
the rules?

Speaker 3 (18:30):
What are the rules? When you've kept your brain but
the world's insane? How the hell you're gonna find out?

Speaker 18 (18:42):
Of?

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Of course, this is what's going to happen when when
the environment has been established where men are made to
feel like creeps and losers for taking an interest in
the opposite sex. No, they're not going to approach you
in public because we have been told that this is
collectively this is so socially inappropriate behavior, and it's precisely

(19:03):
because of ridiculous accusations like those that were levied against
Nick Roberts. Fortunately, transparency seems to have won the day
and he has been for the time being exonerated. Stay
tuned to Saturday Night on the Circle coming up next.
Don't miss a moment of the sound dump. Stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
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Speaker 3 (19:46):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, join me if you will by
putting on your handy Dandy has Matt suit once again
as we weighed through another new weekend news this week,
starting with a race baiting pastor, victim blaming the Cincinnati
festivalgoers targeted by vicious mob that endanger endangers their hustle
by shattering the narrative. Also, a North Carolina representative tips

(20:07):
her hand reveal the reason why Democrats thirst for illegal
immigrants is for cheap pseudo slave labor to care for
their menial tasks and be paid pennies on the dollar
for the privilege. Lastly, you'll hear Randy Weingarten for the Teachers'
Unions wildly flailing her arms as she screams into the
microphone about the importance of education, all while forgetting how
she campaigned to keep kids out of school during the

(20:29):
pandemic era. You'll hear it all on this week's edition
of The Sound Dump. I'd take you.

Speaker 14 (20:38):
Got it job.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
It's the Saturday Night Sound Dump on Night three WYPC.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
I take you.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
So you decides you know you are to lie?

Speaker 19 (20:52):
Oh my god, its.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Thanks for listening to Saturday Night on the I'm your
host Ethan Hatcher. That's producer Jack on the board, pushing
the buttons and doing the things to make the show function.
We begin with a pastor, Damon Lynch of Cincinnati, who
officials thought would be a good idea to trot in
front of cameras and proceed to blame the victims of
the Cincinnati Jazz Festival for being on the receiving end

(21:21):
of a racist assault, and then questioning why weren't there
mugshots uploaded? Seems pretty obvious, But these were the musings
of a racially motivated pastor.

Speaker 20 (21:31):
For those who want to politicize it, the JD. Vanceys
and vivid Ramaswamis and the Bernie Marinos and the Christopher
Smitherman's and many others, they have not yet said something
that I always hear when a black person saving runs
from the police and then is met with disproportionate force,
sometimes ending their life. What we hear is, well, why

(21:55):
did they run? Why didn't they just comply? We hear
that every time, But I've yet to hear anybody say
why didn't he just walk away? So let me back up,
so you understand this, two combatants, one black, one way.
A black man steps in and breaks it up. The
white guy re engages, slaps not the black man that

(22:16):
he had just squared up with, but slaps another black man,
and nobody's asking why didn't he just walk away? And
so when I see, and I don't know who else
the chief is looking for or a CPD is looking for.
But when I see the mugshots, I only see people
who look like me. I don't see the person who

(22:37):
re engage slapped, not the initial person, but slapped another
black man.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
So I don't see the slappers mugshot.

Speaker 9 (22:46):
No offense, But it sounds like that's a comed gobbledygook.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
We saw the tape. We saw these people surrounded by
an angry mob being beaten within an inch of their life.
And if you think that this man was somehow instigating
an attack that resulted in his violent assault, and what
about the young woman who intervened, attempting to stop it
from taking place, and then she received extremely critical, very

(23:14):
gruesome injuries, her eye, you know, swollen, you know, turned
into a black, black eye mess. It's absolutely ridiculous to
then question why the individuals were on the receiving end
of this assault didn't have their mugshots taken. Are you insane?
And the answer is yes, because their morality has been
utterly warped by racial politics and they've been consumed by

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the narrative that is now proving to be utterly vacuous
thanks for listening to Saturday Night on the Circle. I
also wanted to play a snippet of Chris Murphy lamenting
the fact that millions of illegal immigrants are now being
removed from Medicaid, something that he believes is totalitarian, fascist
and Nazi in nature.

Speaker 21 (24:00):
Colleague of mine is said to me late last nan
on the phone, you know, maybe you don't fight totalitarianism
by talking about totalitarianism all the time, right, And maybe
you fight totalitarianism by talking about the real world consequences
of fascism.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
And one of the real world.

Speaker 21 (24:15):
Consequences is right now is that millions of people are
about to lose their healthcare in order to have the
pockets of the.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Super wealthy PayPal. You just blowing from stupid down. It's
been revealed the millions of dollars that these states have
been spending on their illegal immigrant population on Medicaid, and
thusly they're devaluing services for American citizens. The taxpayer should
not be footing the bill for the expense of illegal

(24:45):
immigrants healthcare services in our country. And the reason why
Democrats are up in arms about this, the reason why
Democrats are upset by the deportation of illegals with on
our border is because they're losing their pseudo slave perma
underclass to perform menial labor. That's not a hyperbolic accusation.

(25:06):
That's something that North Carolina Representative Julia Greenfield lamented that
now that so many are being deported, well who's gonna
pick the clops and clean the hotel rooms?

Speaker 22 (25:17):
This is gross and as we have seen as certain
states have deported immigrants, what's happened. The crops are not
being picked, the hotels do not have anyone providing the service.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yes, the Democrat mind virus has warped the morals of many.
And here's another clip. Imagine for you, if you will,
a woman, and this isn't hard to picture in your mind,
with thick framed glasses, bad hair, extremely obese, bad tattoos,
septum piercings, and incoherent screaming. It seems like there's a

(25:57):
factory that's just pumping these people out on the regular.
And this is what now makes up the Democrat base.
Imagine losing your mind and then posting this on social
media for sympathy clicks.

Speaker 9 (26:11):
I'm not sure it's time for.

Speaker 11 (26:13):
Another food bank hall.

Speaker 23 (26:14):
What did my family of noa who because of people
are starving. Babies and mothers and grandfathers are starting because
they're run down in the trucks the.

Speaker 11 (26:33):
Food and.

Speaker 17 (26:38):
And whoa.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
And every.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Babe is a starving right now?

Speaker 23 (26:48):
Good that has no How can I show you what
I get from the food bank for free? My friend's
family is start.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Shut up, silly woman. This is what it looks like
when you have absolutely no control over your emotions and
think about getting that worked up in your life about
something that has no connection to your daily well being.
There is so much more productive energy that this woman
could be expending instead of screaming into a camera and

(27:25):
attempting to get sympathy clicks. I mean, if anything, she
could be fundraising for Gaza rather than screaming into the
camera if it's that important to her. But she's in
the victim mentality, and this is ancy a social currency
for these liberals. It's not about the cause. It's about
social currency to elevate themselves and make themselves feel better

(27:46):
while accomplishing nothing at the same time. Another prime example
of this is Teachers' Union president Randy Weingarten, who was
screening into the camera about the supposed importance of education
in America. But this is hypocritical.

Speaker 15 (28:02):
Education is a national goal and a national priority, and
instead of dismantling education, this has nothing to do with
whether local school boards or school districts should run education.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
We believe they should, But it says this is a
national priority.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Our students are a national priority.

Speaker 15 (28:24):
Education of public education and higher education is a national priority.

Speaker 24 (28:29):
Hypocrisy as the vasilion of political intercourse. They didn't like
what they saw, so they changed it to make it
sound better, just like in these personal ads.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
It sounds great, but it's all lies. This is so
hypocritical bullpucky. So much hypocritical bullpucky coming from the teacher's
union president. Considering how voraciously that she campaigned to keep
kids out of school during the pandemic, even if you
bought into the dangers that this virus supposedly posed to

(29:09):
every member of society, even though science ultimately proved that
that was not the case once other European countries began
opening their doors, once it was proven that children were
the least at risk, she still campaigned to keep kids
out of school here in America and damaged their educational
well being For a generation as a result, so many

(29:29):
children yanked out of school who are now having to
play catch up for the rest of their educational career.
This is disgusting and I don't want to hear about
the importance of education now coming from a woman who
campaigned to keep kids out of the classroom. Not all
as bad news, though. There was a small bright spot
that I wanted to share from this week in news,

(29:51):
when a woman had her package returned by a heroic
bit of vigilante justice Erica Messi.

Speaker 11 (30:00):
His doorbell camera saw it all this weekend on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
That's devastating.

Speaker 11 (30:04):
It captured her eight thousand dollars paramotor stolen off the
porch Monday morning. However, did you used to help the
head to be selling air? A different story?

Speaker 3 (30:13):
I feel like I kind of saw the worst in
people and then immediately the.

Speaker 11 (30:16):
Best in people against all odds, Massey's paramoter made it home.
Her reaction.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Litterally like crumbled to the ground.

Speaker 11 (30:24):
I was in tears, different tears from Saturday. Thanks to
Dominic Armstrong's desire to beat the heat at work.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I watched the news every day because I have to
dress for the whether.

Speaker 11 (30:34):
Armstrong says he saw a man dragging the box in
a wagon near where he works for the Burlington Northern
Santa Fe Railroad, and when he got closer recognized the
fly Products logo mentioned in our story.

Speaker 25 (30:44):
I was already like, hold on, wait, let me see
what's the saide you shall be wolves a sade and
automatically knew where it came from.

Speaker 11 (30:50):
He says he was able to wrestle the wagon away
and went to Massi's neighborhood and knocked on doors until
he found someone who knew the right house.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
I want to hear it directly and take me through
the house. Flock the shold people what I had obtained.

Speaker 11 (31:01):
When Massey came to the door. You want to know
they knew the paramotor was home.

Speaker 19 (31:06):
We did what we could get it.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
Back there you go any more people like that in
the world.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
I really wish I could play more clips like this
more often. You want to see neighbors looking out for
each other instead of trying to rip each other off.
And in this case, man, what a valuable piece of equipment.
An eight thousand dollars power up paramotor. That's a powered
motorized glider. So this is a flying machine that evidently
can be delivered in box form right to your front doorstep.

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I'd be getting some tracking info on that package and
pick it up right away, my goodness. Fortunately, though, disaster
turned to triumph thanks to the selfless actions of a
local neighborhood hero. Speaking of neighborhood heroes, also in the
state of New York, now more than six thousand tickets
have been levied against those crazy bike riders who don't

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follow the rules of the road and are now finding
out that rules and accountability apply to them too. I'm
here for it.

Speaker 15 (32:06):
In the past few months, nearly six thousand tickets have
been handed out to cyclists, compared to five hundred and
sixty one in the first quarter of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 8 (32:15):
This is a war on people just for riding a bike.

Speaker 15 (32:19):
Charlie Baker with Transportation Alternatives says many in the biking
community are frustrated. They feel the real culprit or cars
and trucks, that there is a clear discrepancy in the
way laws are being enforced.

Speaker 8 (32:32):
If you are a person like you or I, and
we're riding at most a fifty pound bike, right, we
could actually be sent to criminal court for the same
minor traffic violation that a driver of a six thousand
pound car would only receive a traffic ticket.

Speaker 15 (32:46):
Critics say what's needed are more protected bike lanes and
more regulation.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
When it comes to app.

Speaker 15 (32:52):
Based delivery services that rely on e bikes and scooters, we.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Find it this isn't a discrepancy. This is the bike
riding community that's finally finding out. Accountability comes for them too,
and they are expected just like other motorists, which they
claim to be, they also have to follow the rules
of the road. Thanks for listening to Saturday Night on
the Circle. Make sure to give us a like on
the YouTube machine if you haven't done so already, and

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stay tuned as we remember the passing of a hero
from five years ago coming up next.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
If you're listening to Saturday Night on This Circle on
nighty three WYPC.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Welcome back to Saturday Night on the Circle. This short segment,
I wanted to take a moment to mourn the passing
of an icon five years ago. As of July thirtieth,
Herman Kane died in twenty twenty twenty after he contracted
the COVID virus and sadly died as a result. He

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was part of the vulnerable population. He was an older
man and he had pre existing health conditions, but I
remember him from his unfortunate failed run for the president
in twenty twelve. I thought he had a compelling platform,
and today I still wonder what the Republican Party might
have looked like had he gone on to secure the
nomination and then face the election against Barack Obama. Would

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have been an interesting comparison and contrast between two distinct
world views. Unfortunately we got Mittens instead. But I wanted
to play this song in remembrance of Herman Kane, who
passed five years ago on two three four. Herman Kane

(34:56):
is his name. So you better ride that train, get
on your knees and pray for the Kine.

Speaker 9 (35:03):
You gotta pray far Kane.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Pray var Kine, your brave Farkaine.

Speaker 16 (35:09):
And then you get on your knees.

Speaker 23 (35:12):
And you think, ad a Lord that the lode has come.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yes, the Lord is Kane. Pray far Kaine. You gotta
pray for Kaine. It's the cane train, Great Vacine. You
gotta pray Barcane. It's the cane train. Prey bar Kine.

Speaker 9 (35:31):
You gotta ray Barcaine.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
It's the cane train. Producer, Jack, do you remember much
about the twenty twelve presidential election in the Republican lineup
or mister Herman Kane in particular?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (35:56):
I believe so yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
What I what I liked the most was his platform,
the nine to nine to nine plan, because he contended,
if the lord doesn't take ten percent, or if the
lord takes ten percent cent, then why should the government
take more than that? He believed in a nine percent
sales tax, a nine percent corporate tax, and a nine
percent federal income tax. I thought that was a compelling

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platform and would have been an interesting reworking to the
economy if he had secured the nomination. He was a
very compelling speaker. He actually filled in a number of
times on the Rush Limbaugh Show. And you know, anybody
who's involved in broadcasting knows what an enormous talent it
takes to be singularly entertaining for three hours on end,

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especially on a show like that. So one more musical
interlude again to commemorate the passing of our wonderful person,
Herman Caine five years ago.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
He died on the cross so many years ago, but
now he's come back again.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
He has risen. My Lonrbancane.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
He was crucify with nails in his hands, but he
did not die in vain.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
He has come back. My Lon urban Caane, Herman Caine.

Speaker 23 (37:36):
He is the second.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
I hope you enjoyed that song as much as I did.

Speaker 19 (37:40):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Producer Matt said that I wasn't allowed to play that
one on the morning show, but I figured you guys
had thicker skin. Thanks for listening and stay tuned for
hour two up next you can through the sky.

Speaker 16 (38:00):
I could tag at the file the Laws of Raday.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I'm a racing cap.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
This is Saturday Night on this Circle on ninety three
doubled uy PC business stopping.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Thanks for tuning in on a Saturday night, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm your bohemian codger Ethan Hatcher. If you missed a
moment of hour one, make sure to catch my podcasts
uploaded to WIBC dot com as well as Saturday Night
on the Circle, dot Fireside dot fm. That's my personal
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sure to give us a like on the YouTube. Machine
helps the show, helps the algorithm, helps the station, and

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if we get to fifty likes. One of these days,
Producer Jack Scrammall is going to give him a Worther's
Hard original candy and three pats on the head to
show her approval this segment, I wanted to take a
moment to gripe about the mayhem that Democrats have unleashed
on Indianapolis traffic with their ridiculous two way conversions, the
bike lanes, the bus lanes. It's turned this city into

(38:57):
a nightmare.

Speaker 23 (38:57):
Now.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
I know we've got gen Con going on right now.
I know we've got the Indiana State Fair going on
right now, so more people are on the roadways, but
it's created unmanageable gridlock, Producer Jack, and it didn't used
to be this way, even just to get downtown. Over
the last few days, it's more than doubled my commute time. Usually,

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you know it, for most of my time working here
at WIBC, it's just been a fifteen minute trip straight
down Washington Street to the station here. But now that's
turned into easily half hour or more because you're constantly
getting held up at these stoplights, You're constantly getting caught
in gridlock, You're having to weave in and out of

(39:39):
side streets just to make any progress. And this is ridiculous.
It didn't have to be so, and it wasn't always
this way. This city and the outlay was outline was
originally designed by an architect who took inspiration from the
designer of Washington, d c. And for generations, one of
the most attractive aspects of Indianapolis was its ease of navigation,

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something that now Democrats have unfortunately stolen from us due
to their quote unquote traffic calming designs because they put
a bunch of Karen's in charge of civil engineering around here. Ridiculous.
I also wanted to mention, unfortunately, I will be taking
another break next week. I apologize. I will be traveling

(40:24):
to Pennsylvania, visiting friends once again and then hopefully resolving
my long running dispute with a dishonest Pennsylvania mechanic. My
court hearing is scheduled for the seventh of this month,
so I hopefully will get a resolution in the small
Claims court and a judgment in my favor. Will we
have yet to see how that situation will resolve itself,

(40:46):
but I'll be traveling down there. At least that's the
plan as of now heck, he could have the case
continued again, although in this case, I think my legal
representative would probably be able to stave that off. This
guy has just been wasting our time, he's been wasting resources,
he's been rate wasting court resources. Now at this point
with frivolous continuances, and I think, I hope maybe he's

(41:11):
finally reached the end of his rope. Stay tuned for
more ladies and gentlemen coming up next. We're revisiting a
conversation I had this Monday on the Hammer and Nigel
Show regarding Fountain Square skid Row. Don't miss it coming up.

Speaker 16 (41:24):
Next weekend down some we can leave on mine because
of friends don't dance.

Speaker 9 (41:36):
They don't dance round for mine.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
This is Saturday Night on the Circle ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Like we call him, I'm out of this. Well they
don't on Bobby, Welcome back to Saturday Night on the Circle.
Of course you're bohemian cadra Ethan Hatcher happy to return
behind the microphone. This Monday I was invited onto the
Hammer and Nigel program and we discussed the state of
Fountain Square skid Row, something that's popped up in recent

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month and garnered a significant amount of Internet attention, especially
from Indie reporter and surrounding neighbors dissatisfied with the devastation
to where they live. Check out the conversation.

Speaker 25 (42:19):
He's kind of our Fountain Square correspondent Ethan Hatcher joins us,
Now there may be somebody listening for the first time here, Ethan.
Our show grows every day, the station grows every day.
Remind everybody what's going on on your side of town.
Fountain Square with the homeless.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Fountain Square has been going downhill for a while now.
Right there on Leonard Street off of Virginia Avenue, we've
got what's essentially Indianapolis skid row going on. I mean,
I'm talking about dozens of tents they've wore down the grass.
It's right off the highway, and most importantly, it's next
to a residential neighborhood, and the neighbors haven't been too

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happy about that.

Speaker 25 (42:58):
This looks like something you would say from San Francisco,
La yep, right out of Los Angeles, and this is
new to the Fountain Square area. It's happened in the
last few months from what I was aware of. I
only saw it after it had been established. Within the
last few weeks.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
I've done a few drive by and of course Indie
Reporter has done a fantastic job of covering the development
of that.

Speaker 14 (43:21):
That's the demographic, the makeup of these people.

Speaker 18 (43:24):
Are these people that don't have the ability to own
a home or maintain a job. Are they mentally ill?
I mean, like I'm asking you to maybe generalize here.
Maybe you shouldn't do that. I don't know, but like,
who are these people?

Speaker 3 (43:38):
I don't know all these people personally, but I'm gonna
say it's a mix of all of the above. You've
got mental illness, you've got physical disability, you've got drug abuse,
you've got lots of problems, lots of problems going on.
And it's a mix of everyone. It's men, it's women,
it's black, it's white. I mean, it's a diversity fest
over there.

Speaker 25 (43:58):
Now, keep in mind your district, not necessarily you, but
the people that live in Fountain Square. It's a very
left leaning, very super liberal leaning area that voted for
a socialist to be part of the city County Council.
You get what you vote for, for sure, Okay, So
is there any feeling of that, Is there any voter

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remorse if you will, from the people that you've talked
to in your neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Absolutely not. Of course, they're going to continue to vote
for Democrats. They're dissatisfied with the state of the city,
but they don't want to make the electoral changes to
bring that about to an end.

Speaker 18 (44:33):
So what is the representative saying?

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Socialist City Council member Jesse Brown says, the reason why
these people aren't availing themselves of the shelters is because
there are too many sexual assaults that are taking place
in these homeless shelters. And when I asked the representative
had maybe any prosecutions resulted from these numerous sexual assaults,
he went radio silence. So I'm going to say probably not.

Speaker 9 (44:56):
Okay, So there's a lot to unpacked there. Hold on
one second.

Speaker 25 (45:00):
So Jesse Brown, Socialist member of the City County Council,
has been on the show. We've had him on the
show before, and I've said before I've actually got more
in common with Jesse Brown than I do some of
these other Democrats because at least he hates Joe hawk
Set too. It's the one thing, like I don't have
anything in common with Bob Ostley. I don't have anything
in common with Frank Mascari, but I do with Jesse Brown.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Jesse Brown is such an interesting case because he comes
out with these wacky ideas like, oh, well, you can't
put the homeless and homeless shelters because there are too
many sexual assaults. But at the same time he doesn't
want to prosecute these because he believes in bringing about
an end to the police. And then also he does
good work around the neighborhood, like honestly, I attended a
alley cleaning town hall that he hosted just a few

(45:42):
weeks ago, and he is listening to constituent concerns about
the state of the alleyways and trying to make change.
So it's a mixed bag when it comes to the
socialist city council member. He's a strange bird.

Speaker 18 (45:53):
But is he like the what kind of socialist is he?
What's the socialism over? He's like Greenland and Sweden.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
I mean he's a full on commune to still tell
you that in person, he is a student of Marx.
He believes in bringing about an end to capitalism and
transferring the means of the production, seizing the means of production,
so I mean he's a communist in the classical sense
of the term.

Speaker 9 (46:18):
He seems harmless. He's our little Mandami right from New
York City.

Speaker 25 (46:24):
But the reason we're having this conversation is that there
was a story from WISH TV that there are multiple
shelters that have availability. Now some are full, but there
are multiple other shelters that are available for these people
to move into. There's a roof over their head. They're
gonna get some sort of meal, a shower, some rehabilitation.

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But yet Jesse Brown and the people on skid Row
and Fountain Square, they'd rather stay right where they're at.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
The dirty little secret is that these people, many of them,
I shouldn't say all, but many of them do not
want to follow the rules. Of course, Ryan Hedrick has
been doing good work. He's been interviewing some of these
individuals in the homeless camps. One of them, by the
name of Ashley, swears up and down that it has
nothing to do with drug abuse in the community. That's
just a negative stereotype. But I would bet money if

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you offered them shelter at a drugs free offered them
shelter in a drugs free homeless shelter. Then they wouldn't go,
can't follow the rules.

Speaker 25 (47:20):
Well, now, the city they put out these little flyers,
some of them were like posted all the actual tents themselves,
saying August eleventh is the deadline. You have to be
out of this area, no more tent city by August eleventh.
You lived there, then the chances of this happening are
what probably slim.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
They're gonna be half to drug out, kicking and screaming,
if I had to guess, they'll probably move the deadline.
They've offered to store these personal goods for up to
sixty days to facilitate moving these individuals. The city has, Yes,
the city has up to sixty days to facilitate their
movement away from this encampment. Now, I've also heard tail
but I haven't verified it myself, that a new encampment

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may be forming on South Minnesota Street on the ass
end of the International Airport underneath the I four sixty
five overpass.

Speaker 25 (48:11):
So that might be the new area, And because it's
not near a residential part, folks might leave.

Speaker 9 (48:18):
Them alone there.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
All things considered, it might be a workable middle ground
because you're never going to fully eliminate the problem. But
if they're not causing trouble for the community and just
these industrial businesses that surround it, I guess it's more manageable.

Speaker 9 (48:32):
Well, they are causing trouble.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
There was an article I saw there was a dead body.

Speaker 18 (48:36):
Yes, of course there's ethan they it's it's a violent place,
it's a scary place. It's not like some sort of
nineteen sixty nine hippie sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
It's neither compassionate nor is it safe for these individuals
to be living on the streets. But as long as
it is tolerated by the community, then what are you
gonna do?

Speaker 25 (49:03):
And I know we've been talking about your side of
town here, but if you look over at Luger Plaza,
it's not real clean over there right now either.

Speaker 8 (49:13):
Now.

Speaker 25 (49:13):
It looked nice when the WNBA All Star Game was
here and whenever there are major conventions in Indie. It's
amazing how the homeless get magically shipped away to various
hotels around Central Indiana.

Speaker 9 (49:26):
But Luger Plaza doesn't look real good either.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
All that Joe Hogg said is committed to doing to
address the issue right now is essentially playing musical chairs
with the homeless community. You had another large encampment that
was right underneath the I sixty five overpass at Washington Street,
next to the Hardy's there on the east side, and
that got cleared out for the All Star Game, but
you know where, it moved right around the corner to
the I sixty five on ramp, so literally just yards

(49:53):
away from where they already were, and they set up
another campsite. So we're just playing musical chairs here.

Speaker 12 (49:57):
Do you have.

Speaker 18 (50:00):
I have sympathy? I have empathy for some of these people,
I really do. Do you living amongst like where you live?

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Do you have sure?

Speaker 9 (50:13):
Just yeah?

Speaker 14 (50:14):
I do? I feel sorry for.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Sure, absolutely. But on the same token, there's a reason
why they're on the street. People like to pretend that, oh,
you're just one paycheck away from living on the street yourself,
But that's a damned lot because if something happened to
you Jason, or if something happened to you Nige, you
have friends, you have family, you have people that would
be willing to step up and give you a couch.

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And there's a reason why many of these individuals have
had that cut off. They have abused the generosity of others,
They have alienated themselves from family, from friends. And this
is the circumstance you find yourself in when you have
severely anti social behavior for a variety of reasons. It
could be drug abuse, it could be mental illness, it

(50:57):
could be a number of things, but it all ends
up in the same place.

Speaker 25 (51:01):
And whether it's Luger Plaza or whether it's over at
Fountain Square, these tent areas or encampments, whatever you want
to call them, there are places that are hiring nearby. Right,
how many times have we seen somebody with a sign
hungary help me, camping out outside of a business that's
got a help wanted sign in the window.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Well there again, one of the interviews that Ryan Hendrick
here had done with a member of the homeless community,
I believe her name was Tanya, said that as soon
as these individuals turn in an application, when the employer
sees that they don't have a stable address or there's
no address, then the application just goes stable circular file.

Speaker 25 (51:38):
But you can do that if you go to the
mission or you go to one of these places that
try to help you. Right, I'm sure if you are
a homeless person and you go to the Wheeler Mission
and go. This is my last resort. I'm at rock bottom.
I'm on skid row right now. Can you help me
get a shower, get a suit and try to have
a po box for a job.

Speaker 9 (52:00):
Would help you in a heartbeat.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
For the individuals that want it, there is definitely opportunity
for a hand up, but the reality you want it well,
the reality situation is that most of them don't, and
that's why they're there. You're listening to Saturday Night on
the Circle, broadcasting from the one and only ninety three
w ib C. Coming up next your friend and mine

(52:21):
producer Carl for another conspiracy corner.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Don't miss it. This is Saturday Night on the Circle.
Oh Nutty three WYBC right.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Welcome back to Saturday Night on the Circle. I'm your
Bohemian Conjure Ethan Hatcher. My podcasts for uploaded to WIBC
dot com and Saturday Night on the Circle dot Fireside
dot f plus. We're streaming live on the YouTube Machine
seven to nine every Saturday. Hop in the chat and
join the fund. For decades now, globalist interests have been
sounding the alarm on the dangers that CO two Gas

(53:11):
presents to our planet, warning of the catastrophic effects that
unrestricted amounts of this gas posed to the environment. Now,
these same globalist interests are seeking to seize territory in
the Hoosier State to bury the gas in high concentrations
deep beneath the surface of the Earth, with potentially unforeseen
consequences lurking in the future. Here to warn us of
this impending doom is the defender against the dark forces

(53:33):
of evil, Producer Carl, who joins us for another edition
of Carl's Conspiracy Corner.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
You are listening to Carl's Conspiracy Quarner.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
The truth is out there.

Speaker 9 (53:48):
Have you ever seen a Calmon drink of glass of water?

Speaker 12 (53:51):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I can't say I have the views expressed a conspiracy
Caral are those of Caral and Caral alone. They are
enough the use of his station or its distributors.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I mean, obviously deep beneath the streets of Indianapolis, located
potentially close to buried concentrated gas of CO two is
Ethan and Carl on the broadcasting bunker for another edition
of Carl's Conspiracy Corner. So what's this all about, Producer Carl,
Because you're you're on top of this. I listened to
the segment on Kendall and Casey with Denver Banking, And

(54:22):
all I understand is now the globalists are trying to
stuff the earth with gas.

Speaker 7 (54:27):
Well, you know, they emit a lot of gas, but
hot air for sure. Yeah, I don't know if we
have to worry about the CO two. Yeah, there was
big news locally here in Indianapolis. The head of the EPA,
Lee Zelden, was in town. Behind him were Mike Brown
and Todd Roketa to announce that the EPA was no
longer going to regulate CO two as a pollutant.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
This was over at Cummins, wasn't it. I'm not really
sure where.

Speaker 17 (54:54):
It was.

Speaker 7 (54:55):
Some engine manufacturing, as you were talking a lot about trucks,
so probably it was Commings. But my concern of this
particular story had nothing to do with the trucking industry,
although I'm sure that they are a big sponsor of
eliminating some of these requirements because it hurts the industry.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Of course, post EPA two thousand and nine was when
cars completely went off the rails. Now everything is made
out of aluminum, and it's got computers all over everything,
and the smart cars and the limited emissions YadA, YadA, YadA.

Speaker 7 (55:27):
Well, let's remember who our president was in two thousand
and nine.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yes, I remember him. Well, it was a Betterack Hussein Obama.
Good times.

Speaker 7 (55:38):
Yeah, the two thousand and nine EPA ruled that CO
two is a pollutant. Now, CO two is what plants breathe.
Without CO two, there's no plants, and without plants, there's
no humans or any life.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
And this is important because this was the EPA essentially
gifting itself a grant of power by declaring this a
pollutant without congressional approval. They then gave themselves a host
of authority to regulate all kinds of stuff in our
daily life. So you can't do anything.

Speaker 7 (56:08):
You can't you can't fart without the EPA wanting to
get in your business.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Let's not get unto the cow farts, because we know
how toxic those are, very dangerous for the environment.

Speaker 7 (56:17):
You just don't understand directly behind him when he's doing it.
So let's play the clip from Leezelle. Actually it starts
with the news explaining what CO two regulatory scheme was
in two thousand and nine.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
All right, let's listen to Leezelden.

Speaker 26 (56:31):
The standards were put in place in two thousand and
nine when the EPA determined that carbon dioxide and other
greenhouse gases endangered public health and contributed to global climate change.
The regulations were part of something called the Endangerment Finding,
a ruling that said that climate change was a threat
to public health, leading to climate regulations under the Clean

(56:52):
Air Act.

Speaker 13 (56:52):
This proposed rule is a proposal to eliminate the Endangerment
Finding M and a greenhouse gas standards, all the regulations
that came out, including the electric vehicle mandates.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
So this is a rollback that's good in theory.

Speaker 7 (57:09):
It's just basically eliminating this rule that they're going to
consider that CO two endangers all life on the planet.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
So is that why they're now trying to stuff CO
two deep beneath the earth here in the Hoo's your heartland.

Speaker 7 (57:21):
Well, here's the ironic thing. So this news piece been Verbanik,
a reporter out of Tara Hoats.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Most Beautiful Man in Sway, was on.

Speaker 7 (57:30):
The Kendall and Casey showed to talk about how some
residents there are concerned because industry, local industry is going
to bury CO two under the ground because they're saving
the planet they're stopping global warming.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
So yeah, there's this concern.

Speaker 7 (57:48):
And if I was a resident, I'm like, I don't
want this stuff underneath my house, or my business or
or my farm.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Well, if it's plant fluid, why can't they just set
up giant greenhouses and pump it in there and let
the play.

Speaker 7 (58:00):
Well, if it's plant food, just let it free. It's natural,
So yeah, let's play the Verbanic piece Verbanic one.

Speaker 12 (58:08):
Companies who want to participate in carbon sequestration will pump
it and force it below the ground to store it.
That way, it's not released into the atmosphere and it's
kind of stored in. These big rock formations are cold pores.
You could think of them as like caves essentially, and
they're you know, deep below the surface of the ground.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
This doesn't make a lock of sense to me, Carl,
because I thought these libs were telling us about how
dangerous fracking was, and you know, you shouldn't be cracking
the substrates of the earth, And then now they're going
to be pumping the gas in there. Isn't that like
gas fracking? It's okay when they do it.

Speaker 7 (58:44):
Okay, that's that's usually how that works fine here. We've
talked about this on the podcast. Here's the deal with
CO two people, you can look it up. CO two
in the atmosphere is point zero four percent of the atmosphere.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
CO two. That's like, that's all natural. CO two is
point zero four So less than half a percent of
the total makeup of the entire Earth atmosphere.

Speaker 7 (59:14):
It's not even one percent. It's a percentage of one
percent man made CO two. So when they say man
made CO two, I presume it's what we breathe out
right and and what industry creates. That's a percentage of that.
So it's it's less than one percent of man made

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CO two is actually in the atmosphere. So basically, there's
no there's no man made CO two that is causing
a problem.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
This is all a scam. But then why are they
wanting to bury it in these underground caves. You're gonna
choke out the.

Speaker 7 (59:51):
Microbes they're bearer. So this really goes back to two thousand.
So remember al Gore who invented the Internet, and he
made an inconvenient lie, I excuse me, a truth that
he that he foisted upon the American public, which I
believe won an Academy Award for its fiction. Al Gore,

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from what I recall, was joined with other investors to
create these carbon credits. And the scheme is is that
in order to do business, if you create carbon as
a result of your business, then you essentially have a
negative bank account, so you have to do things like
this carbon sequestration to get those credits back. Now, credits

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sound like a bank, so this is essentially a carbon
bank for investors like Al Gore and his buddies in
the w F.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Well, the way I've always understood carbon credits is that
it's essentially a commie redistributed redistribution of wealth scheme because
they're taking money from industrialized nations and gifting it to
non industrial nations to buy quote unquote these carbon credits back, Sure,
so they can continue to manufacture in the same quantity,
And you're essentially just shuffling money around in this eternal

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circular transition of cash that we've discussed many times on
Saturday Night on the show Sure.

Speaker 7 (01:01:12):
And and like most commies, the people on the top
are making a lot of money, and people like Al
Gore with these carbon credit banks were making money on
the transaction.

Speaker 24 (01:01:25):
So you can.

Speaker 7 (01:01:26):
You can totally see in hindsight why he would put
out a movie that was basically putting people like Greta
Thunberg having, you know, putting her into a nightmare state
where her life and world would not exist because we
would be we would be having the planet warm and
the oceans would take.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Over the land. Yeah, that's that's nuts.

Speaker 7 (01:01:49):
So just real quickly, I'd like to play the piece
of who could stop this?

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Okay, we got a thirty seconds left? Who can stop this?

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Who are these people that are fighting this? Who are
they looking? What are the impediments that remain?

Speaker 12 (01:02:02):
So again, so this is kind of a confusing process.
But as far as I know, the for the rule
portion of it, the safety rules portion of it that
the dn R signed off on, I've leave those heads
to Todd, Rokeita and then to the governor Braun's death.
So after that those rules are in place, and I'm
assuming the next step of the process, whatever that is,

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will be getting Oh those.

Speaker 14 (01:02:25):
Poor people, their last hopes are Braun and Roqueda.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Jeez, Rob said it. That's exactly what I was about
to say. If we're if our last hope is Todd
Raketa and Mike Brown. We are screwing.

Speaker 7 (01:02:35):
So these are Republicans that essentially, if they sign off
on it, they're going along with Al Gore.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Wonderful, and this is supposed to be a red state. Yeah,
I don't cat it could have fooled me. Thanks for
another conversation, Carl. I appreciate you coming in. No problem, Ethan,
We'll talk later. Stay tuned to ninety three w IBC.
We've got more on the way.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
You were listening to Saturday Night on the Circle A
nighty three WYPC.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Thanks for joining me on Saturday Night on the Circle.
I'm your host, Ethan Hatcher, wrapping things up for this evening. Recently,
I've been getting invited on the First Day Show with
Terry Stacey Kylin and Denny Smith in a segment they've
decided to dub Sunday show Intel. It's an opportunity for
me to get to show off elements from my collection

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and also share a little bit about their history. Last
Sunday they invited me onto the show to share a
little bit more about a Han Dynasty dagger that I
purchased in Pennsylvania two thousand years old. A stunning piece
that I'm happy to have and share more about with you. Also,
I'll be posting this on my Twitter page if you'd
like to get a closer look. And may have missed

(01:04:05):
that on the YouTube broadcast, you could check that out
on my Twitter page at Ethan Hatcher E t hn
H A t c h E R. And this was
the conversation I had with Terry Stacy, Denny Smith and
producer Kylon.

Speaker 10 (01:04:18):
This is called Ethan's Show and Tell and he brings
something and he tells it about it. I used to
be my favorite thing in school with Show and Tell.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
And so Matt.

Speaker 10 (01:04:28):
He brings us things every other week and we look
at it. And today and if those of you that
are streaming and watching us on YouTube, you're going to
get to see Ethan Hatcher's big sword.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
Take a look at that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
I think this is possibly the coolest antique in my collection.
It's got a fascinating story both with can we swap
you some mics?

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
That's stupid, mic, Mike, I know it, I know it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Let's let's try this. Are we working I love it?
Are we working out?

Speaker 14 (01:05:00):
Don't like people wearing hats?

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Maybe? So okay? So yeah, this is This is what
I think is by far my coolest antique, and I
figure we can tell its story two halves.

Speaker 14 (01:05:10):
No, wait a minute, it looks like something from Raiders
to the Lost Ark.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
It is much older than Raiders the Lost Ark. This
is about two thousand years old, Denny.

Speaker 14 (01:05:18):
That's the oldest one of the room.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Did you find it in your backyard? I found it
in Pennsylvania. But I want to divide this story into
two halves if we can. First, I can talk about
the history of the Han dynasty where this comes from,
and then we can talk about how I found it,
where I found it, and how it was authenticated. Absolutely, okay,
So this is a very brief run through of the
Han dynasty. This is four hundred years of history condensed

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into a few paragraphs.

Speaker 19 (01:05:44):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
But the Han Dynasty was the longest lasting imperial empire
to rule over unified China. It formed the backbone of
the largest Chinese ethnic group that still exists today, the Han.
Most people in China will identify as being Han Han Chinese.
The empire lasted from two two BC to two twenty

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a D, over four hundred years. It was preceded by
the Qin dynasty from two twenty one to two six BC,
and that was considered the first imperial Chinese empire. The
Han dynasty was founded by Liu Bang, who was born
as an impoverished peasant farmer and then worked his way
up all the way to become emperor. And he a

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peasant farmer.

Speaker 6 (01:06:28):
Are you grow peasant or are we talking about he
was born a.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Peasant Because of the very entrenched and enforced class system
in China, so Leo Bang had a very fascinating life,
and he rose to power during the Chin Civil War.
He made peace with the Xiangu nomadic raiders to the
north and agreed to treat them as equals. He paid

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annual tributes in wine, noble women, and other luxury goods.
It was humiliable women, well yeah, because you got to
give them to those nomadica raiding warlords. It was humiliating,
but it was a lot cheaper than constantly dealing with
their raids, and this allowed the Han Empire to flourish

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both in population and in their economy in a way
that no Chinese kingdom had prior to that point. It
was briefly disrupted by the Red Eyebrow Uprising, which was
mostly due to the policies of corrupt Emperor Wangmang, who
increased state run monopoly and eyebrows.

Speaker 14 (01:07:37):
What part of New Orleans were these Chinese from.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
They would pint their eyebrows read to distinguish themselves as
rebels versus the Chinese government.

Speaker 14 (01:07:46):
At the time, it was pretty simple.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
They were protesting the state run monopolies that completely devastated
the peasant economy. They increased it from two monopolies to eight,
which included liquor, salt, ironwork, coinage, forestry, and fishing. So
there's basically no economy left for your peasant folk, and
that's why they located, not to.

Speaker 14 (01:08:09):
Push you along. But this dagger has a green tint
to it, so that tells me there's some copper in there.
What is it made of?

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
This is made of bronze copper in there? Yeah, this
is the the heart of the the Bronze Age two
thousand years old.

Speaker 14 (01:08:23):
What's the little one? What's the that's the handle?

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
It broke? Oh, it's worth nothing? Okay, so well it's
not worth nothing. Is it worth getting it fixed?

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
Or would that tarnish the valuable I fixed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
It broken shipping again, Yes, that might be a cursed sword.
This is a heartbreaking store. I found this at an
antique shop in Pennsylvania. So the story of how this
went from Han dynasty China two thousand years ago to
an antique shop in Pennsylvania would be a fascinating story in.

Speaker 6 (01:08:59):
And of it's like, how did it happen?

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
I was just the beneficiary of a very happy accident
in people who had no idea what they were selling.
Buts that green tent that you're talking about, Denny Smith,
There's only one way that bronze turns this color, and
that's by marching through time. You can't really chemically replicate
the motted green color in this way. So that told

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me right away that this was an object of you know,
some considerable value. But my problem was authenticating it out
here in the middle of Indiana. I went to different
appraisers who said that it was likely a forgery, because
what are the odds of you running across a legitimate,
you know, ancient antique. I tried to take this to
the Indiana State Museum, and the curator there was very helpful,

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but his knowledge base had nothing to do with the
Chinese Empire. Then I tried to take it to the
I am a the Indianapolis Art Museum, and those people,
they are a bunch of snobs. They turned me away
at the door. They refused to even look at it.
There's they said, Ethan, we do not offer appraisals to antiques.

(01:10:09):
If you wish to make a donation to our collection,
we may be able to verify its authenticity. But until
such time.

Speaker 14 (01:10:17):
I'm sorry you were treated that way. Have you gone
to Chicago or Cleveland?

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
I I I ended up mailing this to an ancient
artifact dealer in Colorado, and that's how it broke.

Speaker 14 (01:10:30):
Oh man, Yeah, such a bio lottery tickets, such a such.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
A heartbreaking uh journey, Sorry, I mean, I'd shift so
many things completely intact and then yes, and then this
one unfortunately snapped right at the handle during during its journey.
But they were able to authenticate it. Oh, there you
go with an XRF. Now, what that is is an
x X ray fluorescent device that penetrates through the me

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and then it can tell you what the.

Speaker 14 (01:11:02):
Composition of this is sort of like a carbon dating test,
but different kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
And then based on the composition of the metal, can
tell you when it was made because they're you know,
impurities and imperfections, and then also trace elements that may
or may not have existed during the time. So I
it's a forgery, there'll be other it.

Speaker 14 (01:11:20):
Really is a piece of work. And realize that they
have to fire this to get this is all done
in a molten state. That they've done all this calligraphy on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
You don't know what else here. Take a look at it, Denny.
I mean, beautiful work in the carving, but unfortunately, yeah,
I mean it broke during shipping and that's that's heartbreaking.
But it is still an ancient item and I am
privileged to have it in my collection.

Speaker 14 (01:11:42):
How do you say, oh, crap in Chinese? I mean
that would break your heart to see.

Speaker 6 (01:11:47):
That, well what it would break your heart. But you know,
I'm a believer that some things like this Ethan are cursed.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Well, I've had nothing but good looks, and I know
I know you do.

Speaker 6 (01:12:02):
But you know, there's either you hear about from time
to time.

Speaker 10 (01:12:05):
Sometimes this stuff is holding on to spirits and they
might not like you, and so it just decided it
just or maybe it did like you and it just
didn't want to go bye bye.

Speaker 6 (01:12:13):
For a while, it just decided it is telling you.
I think it's speaking to you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
It's very likely, due to the ornamentation of this object,
that it was possessed by some member of the court
or Chinese nobility, because this would be there's a lot
of craftsmanship that went.

Speaker 6 (01:12:30):
You to mean, it really is beautiful. Denny is handing
around again.

Speaker 10 (01:12:33):
This is Ethan Hatcher's show and tell that we've started
to because Ethan has a lot of cool things and
finds a lot of cool things, and maybe some of
you are collectors too. But this is pretty awesome. Another
nice piece. Unfortunately it's broken. It's worth about ten centslated.
So does anybody want to call right now two three
nine nine three ninth three if you'd like to buy it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
It's not for sale, terry, not for sale.

Speaker 6 (01:12:56):
We'll start bringing in stuff with.

Speaker 14 (01:12:57):
Your every thing is for sale, Ethan.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
I can tell you a little bit more history about
the how much time you can you do it in
one minute? Yeah? I thank The Red Eyebrow rebellion was
quelled by Liu Zhou. He restored order by pardoning them
and then integrating them into the Chinese civil service.

Speaker 14 (01:13:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
They defeated the Jiang Yu nomadic raiders, and established imperial
institutes to train peasants for the civil service and government,
and they took control of the eastern half of the
Silk Road and traded extensively with the Roman Empire. This
was on the back of their mass produced paper and
silk or paper at this time, of course, was incredibly valuable,

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and because of the proliferation of writing, it allowed the
establishment and the flourishing of the Chinese bureaucracy that continued
to dominate for thousands of years.

Speaker 6 (01:13:54):
You know, in that light, your eyebrows look a little red.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Well, it's very hot outside.

Speaker 6 (01:14:00):
They're on fire. Sure fire, Danny, anything else are you
trying to say?

Speaker 14 (01:14:05):
I just thought it was interesting that they integrated him.
They didn't integrate him by giving him women and whiskey.
They integrated him with jobs. You know, he was an
economic blow that was really pretty smart.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Well that's what they wanted. They felt excluded by the
economic policies of the previous emperor, and so this was
kind of a.

Speaker 14 (01:14:22):
Make good Thanks for coming, bye, buddy, Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
For having Melon Patcher.

Speaker 10 (01:14:25):
Saturday Night's on the Circle starts at nine o'clock or
seven o'clock and nine seven to nine on Saturdays.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Thanks for having men, guys, thank you and your big sword.
That's Terry being entirely too kind and a little risque
for a Sunday morning family show, but I'm here for it.
Thanks for spending your Saturday evening with me, ladies and gentlemen.
I appreciate it. I'm out next week, but I'll be
returning after that, and in the meantime, I'll leave you
with my parting words of wisdom. As always, wherever you are,

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whoever you're with, and whatever you're doing, remember that life
is a state of mind. See you next time.

Speaker 16 (01:15:04):
Why don't allow.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
All wait?

Speaker 19 (01:15:16):
My son,