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Speaker 1 (00:01):
So you keep lying when you ought to be true then,
and you keep losing when.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
You are not better.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
You're listening to Saturday Night on This Circle on Night THREEYPC.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Now what's right is right, but you.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Ain't been right yet.

Speaker 5 (00:22):
Welcome back to another edition of Saturday Night on the
Circle where I'm your host, Ethan Hatcher. That's Producer Jack
on the board, pushing the buttons and doing the things
to make the show function. And my goodness, Producer Jack,
what a difference twenty four hours can make.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know what?

Speaker 5 (00:37):
The listeners can't say that they weren't warned at least
on this show, I, myself and others expressed concerns about
the legitimacy and the truthfulness of Lieutenant Governor then candidate
Micah beckw With, and we were scorned for our objections
and our unease at the very foolish statements that he's

(01:00):
made over a long period of time. In fact, Producer
Jack I took a lot of guff personally for sounding
the alarm on Micah Beckwith. I was called just a bitter,
hateful atheist. I always said, oh, the only reason why
you don't like beckw is because he's a pastor, and
you just have a problem with Christians. And it didn't
matter that I have and have been and continue to

(01:22):
be happy supporting many Christian candidates and giving my vote
to them. It was this nutcase in particular that I
objected to. But no, I was dismissed. And then now,
well Micah beckwith has stepped in it.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
And guess what was right?

Speaker 4 (01:41):
I was right. Everything I say is right.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
If you'd be.

Speaker 6 (01:44):
Better off if you did what I said, I have
no sympothy.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
You should have listened to me.

Speaker 7 (01:51):
I was right.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I was right.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
I was right.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
This is in regard to a statement he made about
more than forty thous and Haitian migrants being welcomed into
our state. But I can see your look of confusion,
producer Jack. So let me set the stage, if you will.
Two statements he made back when he was still candidates.
I believe for lieutenant governor. No, no, no, I'm sorry.

(02:16):
Actually he had secured the nomination. This was October seventeenth
of twenty twenty four when he posted on Twitter, don't
miss this exclusive interview with Indiana's Republican Lieutenant governor nominee
Micah beckw on woe Woe with Caleb Blakesley, Micah joined
Kayla to speak up about the Haitian migrant influx happening
in Indiana, calling out local and state leaders for their silence.

(02:39):
He explains why this isn't just immigration, but an invasion
that's straining our schools, hospitals, and law enforcement. In this
candid conversation, Micah discusses why leaders need to step up
and act and how the bron beckwith ticket is ready
to handle the problem. Head on Strong Words producer Jack
strong Words. Indeed, in fact, we've cut a cup clips

(03:00):
from that interview he did in WHOA Woe with Caleb Blakesley,
all the way back eleven months ago in October. This
is how he felt at the time, or at least
what he was representing to Hoosian Hoosiers he believed about
the influx of Haitian migrants across America.

Speaker 8 (03:16):
We all know we can see through this. This is
an invasion. This is not immigration. This is something that
needs to be addressed both on the county level and
on the state level because the federal government is not
doing its job. And what happened is with these GPS
temporary status licenses that these people are given, they will
run out, that time will expire, and then who's going

(03:38):
to come and get them? Are they checking to make
sure they go home? No, nobody's doing that. We all
know that they're going to stay here. They will be
illegal at that point. But by that point it's already
too late. And so what we have to do is
we have to have leaders in our local community that
are willing to do the hard work of identifying the
people who should not be in our community and then
working with the state to get them out. And I

(04:01):
think we're going to say, because the federal government has
abandoned us, they're not need to do anything about it,
and so it's our job, as we just now, to
shut up.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
You sit on a throne of lies.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
So there's Michaeh beck With representing to Hoosiers that if elected,
he would be that voice. He would do the hard
work to get out the migrants that shouldn't be here,
send them back home, and roll back the invasion in
our state. Strong words coming from the Lieutenant governor nominee.

(04:32):
And he also went on to say that they would
go so far if elected, as to deporting these migrants
to Martha's Vineyard.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
If they had to.

Speaker 8 (04:40):
I really believe with our ticket, the Brown beck With ticket,
it's one of our priorities. We will figure out a solution.
We will become a Texas, we'll become of Florida, and
if we have to, we'll ship people to Martha's Vineyard
if we need to. But we are going to get
the people who should not be here out of our
communities because it is unloving. If we do anything other.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Than that, it sounds good, but it's all lies.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
We should remove the migrants from our communities because it
would be unloving to do anything other than that. That
was Micah Beckwith's words eleven months ago, and then now
the world sees him for the spineless hypocrite, that he
is someone who has no core convictions, like a sociopath,

(05:28):
will look you square in the eye and lie to you.
Because as of yesterday, he posted this on Twitter. Producer
Jack September fifth, twenty twenty five. Yesterday I sat with
Haitian pastors from Marion County. Their people have endured earthquakes
and violence. Now, mind you, the earthquake was fifteen years ago,

(05:51):
but that matters not to Lieutenant Governor, who says and
now more than forty thousand are seeking asylum here in Indiana.
We spoke about barriers of language and culture, while also
discussing the power of faith and family. What I saw
was not a community asking for a handout, but people
determined to work hard, raise their children to become contributors

(06:14):
to the great Hoosier State, and assimilate in the great
American way of life.

Speaker 9 (06:20):
No God, no God, please, no, no no no.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
So I don't need to point out to you, Producer Jack,
that now Micah beck With has completely sold Hoosiers down
the river. He has turned his back on the referendum
that the MAGA election set in November of twenty twenty four,
which specifically was a repudiation of the open border policy

(06:52):
that the Biden administration had brought to our borders. And
then now here's Micah beck With wanting a continuation of that.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Let's put into.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
Perspective here the size of those forty thousand immigrants. I
come from a small town here in Indiana, Producer Jack.
I was raised in New Palestine, Indiana, which is still
a small community, a suburb in the Donut Counties surrounding
Marion County. And this is a small town population as

(07:19):
of twenty twenty four of three thy six hundred and
twenty one individuals. So that's not a lot of people,
Producer Jack, but enough for a small town with a
nice little high school and a cool ice cream shop
and a few other little restaurants, a grocery store, a
family butcher.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Shop, you know.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
I mean it is a small but thriving community. Forty
thousand Haitian immigrants brought to the state of Indiana, thousands
elsewhere in states across America would be more than eleven.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Point four five.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Zero four five more new Palestine sized small towns in
America comprised entirely of foreigners who might not necessarily share
our language or our cultural background. That is going to
completely remake communities, and that is not what the Lieutenant
governor was elected to support. I'm sure he is currently

(08:16):
just aghast with himself because this has gone viral. Millions
of eyeballs have now been put on his Twitter post,
and he is being publicly shamed as he should, for
betraying his principles plainly and squarely. But this is not
the first instance of MIKEE. Beck With making unwise statements.

(08:37):
I thought I would play a couple of his greatest hits,
producer Jack. Because like I said, we've been on his
case for quite a while here on Saturday Night on
the Circle. Anybody who's listened for a long time will
be familiar with that. This is something he said in
regards to the October attack I believe a couple of
years ago, twenty twenty three in Israel, when he came

(08:58):
on the Kendall and Casey Show and said that Israel
should wipe them all out.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Why because God loves killing.

Speaker 10 (09:05):
Of course, some people might be saying, oh my gosh, killing,
that's not guy, who know it's absolutely very God dealt
with evil the same way you kill it, You put
an end to it, and then.

Speaker 8 (09:15):
You can live in peace.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Oh boy, here I go killing again. Boy, that escalated quickly.
I mean that really got out of hand fast. It
jumped up a notch. It did, didn't it.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
This was a clue, in my opinion, about what a
psychopath Micah Beckwi is because a pastor telling you with
a straight face that killing is very godly is the
same kind of rhetoric that is being used by Muslim
extremists to enact horrific violence around the world and that
is not something that we should promote in our American government.
Of course, again, he said other really stupid things, including

(09:54):
after January twenty six or January sixth, twenty twenty one,
when he began musing in a car post that he
uploaded to social media that in fact, it was God
himself who brought the riots to Washington, d C. If
that sounds loony and unhinged to you, I agree. Here

(10:14):
was what Micah beck with at the time.

Speaker 11 (10:16):
Who are disgusted by what they saw, and a lot
of people are, you know, freaking out over what they saw,
and uh, and I can totally understand that.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
But I was. I was in a in prayer this morning.

Speaker 11 (10:26):
We're doing a twenty one days of prayer at a
Life church. And you know what the Lord told me,
he said, Micah. He said, he said, I sent those
riots to Washington. He said, what you saw yesterday was
my He was my hand at work.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
What an idiot following in unfortunately a long line of
political hypocrites. But if there is a silver lining to
any of this, producer Jack, it's that now everybody else
in Indiana and across America can see this guy for
the goon. He is and has been for a long time.
Thanks for listening to Saturday Night on the Circle. I'm

(11:12):
your host, Ethan Hatcher.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Of course, like I.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
Said, he is not alone certainly in his hypocrisy. I
got a couple more clips I want to work through
before we go to the next breakup. This is Chuck Schumer,
all the way back in nineteen ninety six, actually saying
something I think many people in our audience would agree with,
as much as his base today would excoriate him for

(11:34):
making the same statement. But back in nineteen ninety six,
Chuck Schumer believed that the number one reason why legals
came to the United States was two defraud programs like
Social Security, something that he was attempting to stop at
the time, all the way back when he was still
a New York congressman.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Let's admit the truth.

Speaker 12 (11:52):
Everywhere people go, they're asked for a Social Security card.
In fact, one way to prove you're a bona fide
person who can have a job is to ask for
a driver's license and a Social Security card. This is
an anti fraud amendment. All over where we go, people say, well,
why can't you stop illegal immigrants or others from coming here,

(12:13):
and the number one answer we give our constituencies when
they come here, they can get jobs, get benefits against
the law because of fraud.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
Also, Tucker Carlson sat down and had a conversation with
an immigration scam that we have seen shades of here
in our own Hoosier state, actually discussed by the Indianapolis Star.
Of all things, these are visa schemes where immigrant business
owners leverage their status as a business owner in the

(12:48):
community to get loans and then also visa access, which
they allegedly then sell back to migrants from their own
homeland in enriching themselves and defrauding the United States in
the process. This was what Tucker Carlson had to say.

Speaker 13 (13:04):
I think that if you look at some of the
cases that have been filed even under the Biden administration
against operations that look a lot like what's happening in Maine,
they're immigration scams. They're they're using these businesses as a
pretext to get SBA loans and also to get access
to visa programs so that they can sell legal entry
into the country to people back.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
And so they're selling they're selling those visas.

Speaker 13 (13:29):
To be clear, I don't have proof that that's happening
in Lincoln or Dexter, but there are indictments in there's
one I know very well in Texas where that's exactly
what was happening.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
Made every town where I've seen it, and it's a
dozen or more worse.

Speaker 14 (13:45):
No, don't like that.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
If this sounds familiar, Producer Jack, that's because allegedly this
may have been a similar scheme being purveyed by one
of the contractors and the Secretary of State Diego Morales administration, Rajucinfala,
you might remember him when he ran for Congress just
last year. From the Indianapolis Star A, they say one
of Secretary of State Diego Morales company companions and his

(14:09):
eyebrow raising March trip to India, who was being paid
by taxpayers for a no bid business contract with Morales office,
appeared to use part of the overseas trip to promote
his own private business interests, advertising a quote fast track
rote to United States residency. Two would be foreign investors.

(14:30):
So from the conversations of Tucker Carlson right to the
threshold of our own state, the overwhelming scam being run
in mass migration should sicken the stomach of any true
red blooded American and highlights it's like.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Salt in the wound.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
All the more the words and the hypocrisy of Micah
beckw with now selling Hoosiers down the road to import
another forty thousand asylum seeking migrants to the state, overwhelming
our communities and creating another eleven point zero four five
new Palestine sized towns of foreigners across Indiana.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Not good stuff. Not good stuff.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
And it doesn't end their producer Jack, because coming up
next we're going to talk about data centers and the
damage they bring to your community.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Stay tuned for that. This is Saturday Night on the Circle.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
What is this even changing world in which we live?

Speaker 7 (15:27):
It?

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Make tu sliv.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
This is Saturday Night on the Circle nighty three WYBC.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
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Speaker 2 (16:00):
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Speaker 5 (16:02):
Across to America, the latest trend to hit communities are
massive data centers being built in their towns, but now
residents are pushing back against them as costs are offloaded
to citizens and benefits extracted by the developers and technology
firms that control them. Taking center stage in this conversation
locally is Franklin Township, whose residents are objecting to this
proposed more than four hundred and fifty acre monstrosity that

(16:25):
promises to gobble up farmland and lower the standard of
living for citizens while raising their utility rates in the process. Now,
the only thing standing between them and the decimation of
their community is a crucial Indianapolis City Council vote.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
One man has become the.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
Voice of opposition to this societal decay at the expensive citizens.
Here now to explain the woes of data centers once again,
is one half of the much acclaimed broadcasting duo.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Kendall and Casey. Rob Kendall joins the show. Oh put
that on a T shirt.

Speaker 15 (16:52):
I am the lone voice against societal decay. I'm going
to use that at the hammer in Nigel store. You're
going to see it on a shirt soon.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Well, certainly, when it comes to data centers, you have
made it your mission to explain to the community exactly
what they are doing, and yeah, we've got more than
seventy already that are in Indiana, and there's no reason
to have another one right there in Franklin Township.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
It's got a lot of problems. You have the floor,
my friend. Yeah, so that's some of the day.

Speaker 15 (17:17):
They're like, well, all these data centers existed before in
Indiana where we're you're one, I've been talking about them
for a long time. But two, they're getting bigger and
they're requiring more resources, and the giveaways to them are
getting more ridiculous. So let's talk about that for a second. Right,
So the data center, when you're talking about a data center,
they need two things. Really, they need one massive amounts

(17:38):
of space, right because you're talking hundreds of acres to
house these these data centers, and they need natural resources.
Indiana gives them that, Like, they can't just exist anywhere.
They have to have specific things. And this is the
crazy thing to me about any giveaways to these data
centers is we are already offering them something they can't

(18:00):
get almost anywhere else, which is the space and the
access to resources. Yet for some reason, on top of that,
we're taking these giant dystopian looking buildings that'll be giant
eye sores to the community, and we're giving them the
farm to come.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
Here, and I don't know why they are giant concrete boxes.
And in addition to gobbling up the utilities, which mind you,
comes at your expense because you will be paying the
utility rate increases to account for the increased demand. But
there's also ecological concerns because, as you pointed out, these
are large, voluminous concrete, oppressive, dystopian structures that are being

(18:37):
erected in farmland, and that has a water displacement effect
because when it rains, the water's got to go somewhere.
If it's being offloaded from these large concrete structures in
the surrounding areas, it could crease increase flooding.

Speaker 15 (18:50):
So our politicians have an obsession with what was described
to me years ago, and I've used this for years as.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Bsos, bright shiny objects.

Speaker 15 (18:56):
Sure, and when they see the price tag, Oh, Google
is going to put a billion dollar building, and I'm
just I don't know that's the value of the building, right,
but I'm just making that up. There's gonna be a
one billion dollar building, and we get Google, what does
that mean you get Google. Most of these data centers
employ thirty to fifty people h and so you get
the value of the building with that, but not much else.

(19:20):
And the way most people know, the way property taxes work,
those property taxes go to a specific community, they don't
go to everybody. So you've got a billion dollar building
with basically no workers of any substance to speak of.
The commerce that creates is limited, and the building is
going to be abated for ten years anyway, and I
think they have a chance to go for more batements

(19:40):
on top.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
Of that to fifty years rob And this could be
one of the tech bubbles we've seen that happen in
our lifetimes. I mean the dot com bubble of the
two thousands where it completely fell out from every under everybody.
There's no guarantee that this AI is going to become,
you know, a huge facet of our society. Like it's
the hot thing right now, but ten years from now

(20:01):
it could be a thing of the past. And if
you're giving a tax abatement for ten or fifty years,
you could not be seeing zero benefit to the community
from this thing before the whole thing goes.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Bus Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 15 (20:11):
If Google, Google or whoever comes in, it says I'm
building a billion dollar building and I'm going to pay
my full freight from the day i'm there. Okay, different stories.
Still major concern about the utilities and the access to
water and electricity, still another conversation. But if you're saying
you're paying, you know, three million dollars or more in

(20:32):
in prior to be thirty million or more in property
taxes annually, Okay, different ballgame.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
But when we're talking about.

Speaker 15 (20:39):
The batements and the giveaways and the IDC incentives a
hundreds of millions of dollars going out to attract these companies,
I just don't see what the benefit is, certainly for
the risk and the potential harm that is done.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
And then we know what's going on in the Secretary
of State's office. Those thirty to fifty jobs might not
even be going to citizens within the community. They may
well be imported from foreign show.

Speaker 15 (21:00):
So we're chuckling about that, like these these places like
Noblesville that are like paying people to move there, And
it's like, if you're a resident of somewhere like Noblesville, why.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Would oh, yeah, you've been there thirty forty years.

Speaker 15 (21:11):
You've been a great member, law abiding citizen, you've worked,
you've made it a place people want to live. You
get nothing, But if you're some HB one worker, they'll
roll out the red carpet and give you. I don't
know what the number was, fifteen grand or something like that.
And it's just like, what are we doing here? How
did Indianapolis? How did Central Indiana? How did we become
this thing? We were a state that fed a nation, right,

(21:32):
we were the rolling beautiful farm fields and the great scenery.
And it's just like it's all going away. And this
is the thing I keep coming back to people. If
the growth is so great, why have our tax burdens
never been higher? Yeah, if all this growth is so wonderful,
our property taxes have never been higher, Our road taxes
have never been higher. Are income tax that there's massive

(21:54):
income tax increases in the property tax bill that's about
to go up for a lot of people. You've got
you've got the utility bill that are skyrocketing. And it's
all because of this growth. So stop the growth. The
growth isn't making us money, stop doing it.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
So what stands between Franklin Township and this monstrosity from
coming up in their community. Because, as I understand it,
the Franklin Township Council, they voted by a thin margin
to move this forward. It now goes to an Indianapolis
City Council vote, where the majority of legislators I think
at sixteen have now said that they intend to vote
against it. But whether that, you know, comes comes true.

Speaker 15 (22:30):
Joe Hogg set has a way of getting his way, sure,
and how many times have we seen that guy finagle
what seemed unimprobable or almost impossible. So yeah, I get
that sixteen have said, which is enough to vote it down.
But I don't know whether that guy's got nudes of
everybody or what. He seems to find a way to
get what he wants. So we'll see if all sixteen

(22:51):
of them, fifteen of them have to hold firm. They've
got sixteen, which means they could lose one. If they
lose two, they're out. We'll see what happens.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Well, you know, like Democrats are going to fold like
a damp claw off. But what remains to be seen
are these Republicans. All four on the city council have
said that they intend to vote against the data center.
And what I loved is, you know our friend of
the show, socialist city council member Jesse Brown.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
We love Jesse.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
Yeah, he actually ate Crow because he was wrong. He
expected the Republicans to support the data center going up,
but he grumbled up a little piece of.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Paper and ate Crow. Hilarious. I love that.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Now.

Speaker 15 (23:23):
I know you have a lot of fun with Jesse,
and I enjoy your back and forth on Twitter. Here's
what I will say about Jesse Brown. He is probably
the most honest Josh Bain would put him in there
too on the Republican side, honest member of that City
County Council. He's probably the most trustworthy person on the
City County Council ironically, and I would much rather have
twenty five of him and we get an honest, like

(23:44):
above board discussion and actions from our council members, even
if we vehemently disagree with him, versus what we see
from the current administration.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
Sure, so, I mean, at least you know, with Jesse
Brown and Josh Bain, you got two no's in the bank.
Where it goes from there remains to be, but hopefully
it's it's not going to damage the community because for them.
They're the people that are going to pay the most
if this goes up, and people need to pay attention
to this.

Speaker 15 (24:07):
Whether you live in Franklin Township, are the one going
out in Monrovia. You need to wake up to this
because they're likeror these data centers are like horror movie characters.
You can bury them at sea, you can put them
thirty feet underground, you can light them on fire, you
can chop them in half, you can do whatever. They
keep coming back. They'll if they don't get what they
want at one place, they'll come to the next place,

(24:28):
and eventually it'll come to a place near you. And
you need to be aware of their impact and you
need to fight back because these things are bad news
and it's gonna be bad news for all of.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Us in the long term. Like they're also just bloody ugly.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
I mean to look at it, it's like a form
of psychological warfare because it's constantly bringing you down having
to look at this monstrosity.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
And then the light pollution.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
I wouldn't want to live anywhere near that because just
for security purposes, the parking lot, the surrounding structure's got
to be lit up.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
That sucks.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (24:55):
One thing they're doing to which is interesting, there's one
community that has a data center on the horizon and
they the people who owned the land basically like went
to the community and they said, we're selling this one
way or another. So you get to pick your poison.
Do you want it to be a high density housing development.
Do you want it to be it's all these people
then will flood into your community. Do you want it

(25:15):
to be a warehouses where all this truck traffic will
destroy your infrastructure? Or you can have this data center.
Well well yeah it's ugly, but it's only like fifty
people and everybody will basically like leave you alone.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
And the people they were.

Speaker 15 (25:26):
Like, well, if we have to choose, I mean they're
sort of in a way being held hostage. Like, if
we have to choose, I guess we'll just choose the
I sore that doesn't bring all the people or the
or the infrastructure damage. It's look, our economic development in
this state is so upside down. The IDC needs to
go away. Until the IDC goes away, you're going to
continue to see this crony capitalism, the shadow government stuff,

(25:47):
the lack of transparency, the giveaways to very select people
and until that is fixed. Look, they can forensic audit
the IDC all they want, which they're doing until you
have to burn it to the ground and come up with.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
A new way we do emic development in the state.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
I think that's a great way to end the segment
segment because it encapsulates so many aspects of modern life.
When every choice you're given and none of them are good.

Speaker 15 (26:09):
Yeah, except listening to this program, except listening to you
on Saturday nights.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
That's a great choice.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
And thank you for coming on the show. Row, thank you,
and you should stay tuned to ninety three WIBC. More
Saturday Night on the Circle is on the way.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
It's jungled out, so continueverywhere no one thing.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Well, if you're listening to Saturday Night on this Circle
on night he three WYPC.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Ladies and gentlemen, it's time once again to put on
your handy Dandy has Matt suit. As we wade through
the audio sludge of another weeknd news, We'll begin with
Peter Doucey poking fun at the liberal conspiracy that Donald
Trump had died over the weekend, only to triumphantly rich
in two days. Disgraced CNN host Don Lemon accidentally but

(27:04):
completely correctly refers to Congressman Sarah McBride as dude. In
a hilarious clip, jd Vance pushes back against a dim
witted reporter more concerned with cartels than citizens. And you'll
be glad to live here in the good old us
of A when you hear the Ontario Chief of Police's
plan for victims to respond to home invasions. And you'll

(27:25):
hear it all on this week's edition of the Sound Dump.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
I'd take you n.

Speaker 11 (27:33):
It, juck.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
It's the Saturday Night Sound Dump on three WYPC.

Speaker 16 (27:39):
I thanke you, so you decide, so you are to lie?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Oh my god it.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
This is the one and only Saturday Night on the Circle.
I'm your bespectacled curmudgeon Ethan Hatcher. That's producer Jack Peep
on the board, pushing the buttons and doing the things
to make the show function. Where this week Jack I
got to say, the show's been going pretty damn well,
pretty damn well, indeed flying by fast. And if you
missed a moment, make sure to check the podcast uploaded

(28:13):
to WIBC dot com as well as my personal podcasting page.
Saturday Night on the Circle, dot Fireside, dot FM plus
I believe we're on a few other podcast platforms as well.
Lots of places to check out the show. We're beginning
this week with Peter Doocy poking fun at that ridiculous
leftist conspiracy from last weekend when they were saying Donald

(28:34):
Trump died hilariously, and of course that wasn't the case,
because here was Peter Doucy talking to him, looking fit
as a fiddle in the process.

Speaker 10 (28:42):
How did you find out over the weekend that you
were dead?

Speaker 4 (28:46):
You see that people didn't.

Speaker 10 (28:48):
See you for a couple of days, one point three
million user engagements as of Saturday morning about your work
to mice.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
You know, I have heard it's sort of crazy.

Speaker 17 (28:58):
But last week I did numerous news conferences, all successful,
they went.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Very well, like this is going very well.

Speaker 17 (29:04):
And then I didn't do any for two days and
they said there must be something wrong with him. Biden
wouldn't do him for months, You wouldn't see him, and
nobody ever said there was ever anything wrong with him,
and we know he was in the.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Greatest of shape. No I heard that. I get reports.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Now that's cavity.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
What makes this extra extra hilarious. Is indeed, as Trump
points it out, how uncurious, utterly uncurious the lamestream media
was when it came to Biden's disappearances, when it came
to his thousand days in some case absences not giving
a press conference. I mean, it was some really truly
ridiculous stuff, including from former Press secretarial circle back Sacki,

(29:47):
who indeed found the time to speculate on why Trump
may have disappeared on her own show, which a very
low ratings program.

Speaker 18 (29:56):
I really can't make this stuff up sometimes, and look,
we may never know by Donald Trump suddenly spent a
week hiding entirely from the American public. But you don't
actually need baseless online conspiracies to explain why he might
not want to show his face in public.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Right now?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Where are you the way that you are? I hate.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
So much about the things you choose to be.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
A pathetic showing from old circle Backsacki, who used to
provide cover for the Biden administration in the early days,
never wanted to admit the mental decline of her former employer,
never wanted to hint at the health failings that he
was experiencing, and in fact, leading up to potentially a
cabal on, a secret takeover in the government because he

(30:41):
wasn't even cognizant enough to sign his own pardons. That
was all done by the famed auto pen there in
the White House. So yes, a very frail man, indeed,
but she was uncurious at the time. Here's Don Leaman
doing a TikTok styled interview, which is a desperate ploy
to stay relevant. Of course, he was so low ratings
he got yanked off of CNN because he offered them

(31:04):
nothing at all, and now he is reduced to this
producer Jack inadvertently getting viral moments when he called uh,
the transgender member of Congress Sarah McBride called him, correctly
a dude. But you know, in liberal parlance, that's quite offensive,
which Don Leman certainly counts as a liberal.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
This is this is my car. I'm heading back to Delaware.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
It is a dude.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Do you have an HEMI in here? What is it?

Speaker 19 (31:30):
It's a beautiful Chevy.

Speaker 20 (31:34):
You got a whole closet that day, you know, and
year old soun No, Look she's got a whole closet
full of clothes.

Speaker 21 (31:42):
Then you're not living out of your cars.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
He always a change of clothes.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Getting your mouse, and get out of here. Dude?

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Is that a Hemmy, I'm not sure if Don Leman
actually even caught himself in that moment, but but yeah,
you know, he made a Freudian slip. He accidentally told
the truth, certainly something unusual for Don Lemon. And part
of this proliferation of mental illness is due to the
influence of school officials who are trying to normalize this

(32:15):
as just another aspect of biology, which it's certainly not
listened to the sneaky way that Washington State super Intendent
Chris Reichdel tries to conflate genetic abnormalities with gender existing
on a spectrum, which is incredibly dishonest.

Speaker 19 (32:36):
We have a civil rights framework in this state. It
includes trans youth. This is a biological question. It is
quite simply inaccurate to say biologically that there are only
boys and there are only girls. There's a continuum. There
is a science to this. There are children who are
born intersects. There are children whose chromosomes and their hormones

(32:58):
aren't consistent with their sex. Thirsty, that's not a debate
we're going to have today. I just want to remind
you of our civil rights obligation. Our state laws make
clear that students get to identify and participate in activities
based on the gender in which they identify.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
We're going to uphold that law. Gender does not exist
on a continuum.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
There are genetic abnormalities, but that's exactly what they are.
When he's talking about children who are born with different
chroma or you know, or an imbalance in chromosomes, born
with other defects and abnormalities. That does not mean gender
exists on a spectrum anymore than legs and arms exist
on a spectrum. Sometimes producer jag due to environmental factors

(33:53):
or other genetic abnormalities. Children are born with withered limbs,
with or without one or more arms or lets, but
that doesn't mean arms and legs exist on a spectrum
or a continuum. Now, those individuals absolutely have a right
to life and pursue health in a meaningful way, but
that doesn't mean that all of a sudden, this abnormality

(34:15):
should be recognized as a biological fact of life. Like
far from it here was jd Vance. I love this
pushing back on a reporter who seemingly cares more about
the cartels than she does about citizens. Of course, this week,
the United States bombed a group of Venezuelan narco terrorists

(34:36):
in international waters, and this incredibly distressed the liberal media,
who also, incidentally didn't give a damn when Barack Obama
drones struck American citizens in the Middle East overseas when
he was president. But that's neither here nor there. At
least jd Vance is incredibly based on the Venezuela basal.

Speaker 21 (34:55):
You know, rofessl strike. What legal authority were you guys
working under?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
And will there be an after reporter on the strike? Well,
I'm sure they're going to be an after report. I
mean the legal authority.

Speaker 22 (35:05):
And I want to talk about these kids, is that
there are people who are bringing literal terrorists, who are
bringing deadly drugs into our country, and the President of
the United States ran on a promise of stopping this
poison from coming into our country.

Speaker 23 (35:17):
Another question.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
It seems like the bombing the narco terrorists will continue,
something I think most Americans would support.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
One more clip and then I gotta go.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
This is the confused chief of police in Ontario, Canada
who advises you to comply with criminals rather than defend yourself.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
God I'm glad I live in America.

Speaker 16 (35:46):
In the unlikely event that you find yourself the victim
of a home invasion, we are urging citizens not to
take matters into their own hands. While we don't want
homeowners to feel powerless, we urge you to call nine
one one and do everything you can to keep yourself
and loved ones safe until police arrive, and be the
best witness possible.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
This could mean.

Speaker 16 (36:07):
Locking yourself in a room away from the perpetrators, hiding,
fleeing the home.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
But don't engage unless absolutely necessary.

Speaker 16 (36:14):
As it stands, we know the best defense for most people.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Is to comply.

Speaker 16 (36:20):
As you've just heard a number of safety recommendations.

Speaker 24 (36:26):
An evil person, Oh my god, I mean absolutely.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Do I not tell you that enough? You are lying
the most evil guy I know.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Man.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Just comply with the criminals, lay down and shut up.
That's the advice of Canadian police. What's six Sick Puppies.
Thanks for listening to Saturday Night on the Circle. Stay
tuned for.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
More Saturday Night on the Circle of ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Welcome back to Saturday Night on the Circle. This segment,
I'd lined up a couple horror stories from the modern age.
But unfortunately, I think I'm only going to be able
to get to one of them because I've ran myself
out of time so much to talk to an hour one.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
But don't worry, we still got an hour to go.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
This is a report about the world's first genetically edited horse,
which could revolutionize sports and horse breeding as we know it.
This is from a breeder in so Well, I guess,
not even a breeder a gene editor in South America.
They are changing the chromosomes and the gene expressions of
horses to make them stronger, faster, larger, and producer jack.

(37:47):
Before long, we're going to start mutilating horses the same
way that we mutilated the pug. Pernicious genetic abominations unleashed
on society in pursuit of commercial gain. We're going to
ruin them worse than breeders ruined the greyhound. Producer Jack,
creatures that live short and British lives due to the

(38:11):
abuses that genetics has inflicted upon them. It's a bit weird, Yeah, weird,
certainly weird, and there's a lot of other weird stuff
going on in the world, but we'll have to get
to that another time.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Crazy stuff.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
Indeed, stay tuned for hour two of Saturday Night on
the Circle coming up next.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
This is Saturday Night on This Circle on ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
Thanks for tuning into the show this evening, Ladies and gentlemen.
You're listening to the one and only Saturday Night on
the Circle where I'm your bespectacled Grimudge and Ethan Hatcher
and producer Jack is on the board doing the things
to make the show function. We begin this week by
noting the continued decline of Chicago. They are doing their
best to attempt to prevent Donald Trump from deploying the

(39:30):
National Guard to their community and restore law and order,
anything to keep the Trump administration from getting a win.
That is the depth of their Trump derangement syndrome. Even
the governor of Illinois, there, the dim witted JB. Pritzker,
is attempting to shift blame for the crime in his
state and placing it at the feet of Republicans in

(39:53):
red states. This was during a conversation he had with
a reporter who was noting the violent in Chicago that
unfolded just last weekend.

Speaker 25 (40:03):
You're going to hear people, especially pat this past weekend
fifty four shot seven dead.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
They're going to say the city's not safe.

Speaker 25 (40:11):
Would you ask your friends to ride the l after
midnight or after nine o'clock at night, even to come
down to the city from O'Hare.

Speaker 26 (40:19):
Look, big cities have crime, there's no doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
But let's just pay.

Speaker 26 (40:25):
Attention to what President Trump is doing targeting show. He's
overlooking red states that have much higher crime rates.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
And indeed, some red states may have higher crime rates.
You can look to our own.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
State of Indiana.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
Indianapolis is outpacing Chicago in crime per capita. But that's
that's Indianapolis, producer Jack. Yes, in the middle of a
red state, but an extremely blue city. And that's the
case elsewhere in other parts of the country.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Trees.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
Yes, there may be high crime in red states, but
almost unilaterally they are in blue cities, just like most
of Illinois is a red state, were it not for
the enormous population of Cook County in Chicago, which is
a blue city, and there again you have crime that
is out of control. But what Donald Trump has demonstrated
with the law enforcement crackdown in Washington, d C. Is

(41:23):
that controlling crime is a policy decision. It is not
something that is inherent with big cities. It is not
a fact of life that must be tolerated. It can
be combated if law is the laws are being enforced.
But of course, the narrative that the left is trying

(41:44):
to put is that it's Republican states that are bringing
this crime to Democrat cities, including Brandon Johnson who had
this fascinating missive basically saying that the shootings will continue
until morale improves.

Speaker 10 (41:58):
What a guy, shootings will continue as long as this
presidential administration continues to put politics over people.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
An evil person?

Speaker 24 (42:10):
Oh my god, I mean absolutely, Do I not tell
you that enough? You are like the most evil guy
I know man?

Speaker 5 (42:17):
So no, no, no, no. It has nothing to do with
the administration. It has everything to do that with lawlessness
that is being propagated by Democrat prosecutors. The revolving uh,
revolving door of the criminal justice system that exists in Chicago.
It certainly exists here in India, in Indianapolis as well.

(42:38):
But here here's the mare again, attempting to shift blame
to Red states.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Chicago will continue to have a violence problem as long
as Red states continue to have a gun problem.

Speaker 9 (42:50):
You're a liar and you will spain an eternity on
this set.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
That is totally incorrect. It can be evidenced in their
own city. Here is a clip from Chicago News noting
two women who were hospitalized after a repeat offender in
Chicago assaulted them after other convictions in twenty seventeen, in
twenty twenty two, in twenty twenty three, and twenty twenty four.

(43:15):
These intersections with law enforcement, but released back on the
streets to continue to re offend. That is the problem
that the mayor wants to ignore.

Speaker 27 (43:25):
Thirteen mugshots of Livingston going back to twenty twelve.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
A large number of those arrests.

Speaker 27 (43:31):
For aggravated assault and battery of both women and police officers,
something Miles found out after the fact.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
But what is enough?

Speaker 25 (43:40):
You know, what does someone have to do where someone
where he's going to be, They're going to be held accountable.

Speaker 27 (43:45):
According to online records, Livingston's history of random acts of
violence against women goes back eight years. In twenty seventeen,
he was accused of randomly attacking two women months apart.
Both cases were dropped. In twenty two, Livingston was sentenced
to five years in prison after prosecutors said he punched
and attempted to rob four women within twenty minutes in

(44:08):
the loop. And yet just fourteen months later, in twenty
twenty three, while on parole, Livingston was arrested for hitting
a woman in the face on North Michigan Avenue, and
in twenty twenty four he was sentenced to one hundred
days in prison after punching a fifteen year old girl.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
I'm in danger.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
There is little wonder why he continued to reoffend after
he faced no responsibility, no accountability in twenty seventeen, twenty
twenty two, twenty twenty three, or twenty twenty four. These
people are given carte blanche freedom to inflict violence on
the community until eventually it goes too far, which I
guess it remains to be seen whether that will be

(44:50):
deemed in the assault of these two women, or whether
he will be released to reoffend. Yet again, that is
the problem that we're experiencing here, Producer Jack. Not violent
that's being unleashed from red States, but rather the lawlessness
that is being unleashed by prosecutors who follow the liberal
strictures proffered by restorative justice, which is in fact a

(45:13):
perversion of justice, something we've seen here in Indianapolis as well. Recently,
there were a couple of assaults on the Monon Trail
here in Indianapolis from an individual who himself has interfaced
with law enforcement many times, fourteen times in jail as
a matter of fact, in just the last ten years,

(45:34):
and he's only twenty seven years old. Yet here he
is assaulting women again on the Monon Trail.

Speaker 23 (45:41):
What tax took place along the same area of the
Monon just six days apart.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Luckily, police were.

Speaker 23 (45:46):
Able to find DNA evidence that help them track down
the suspected attacker. Jogging past this bridge overlooking Fall Creek
during early morning run three weeks ago, a woman saw
a man standing near this. Within seconds, that woman was
grabbed in a headlock, dragged into these woods, and repeatedly
punched and choked until she passed out. Court records claim

(46:08):
the victim were called her attacker yelling I'm going to
kill you over and over again. Despite suffering numerous injuries,
that victim wrestled her way free and ran back to
the trail, where a Good Samaritan helped scare off the attacker.
Less than a week later, a second woman reported being
grabbed from behind, knocked to the ground and strangled before
she was sexually assaulted by the same suspect.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Please say, DNA recovered.

Speaker 23 (46:32):
From the fingernail of one of the victims was quickly
tested by the Marion County Crime Lab and linked twenty
seven year old Larry Dowerson to the two crimes.

Speaker 16 (46:40):
This resistanceless attack, and we're thankful that rush was made
in this case.

Speaker 23 (46:44):
According to this app of David, Dowerson told police he
had schizophrenia and confessed he assaulted both women, but denied
raping them. Finally, the suspect is now being held without bond.

Speaker 28 (46:55):
There it is my earnest wish ever to temper justice
with mercy. Assistent dedication to a life of crime is
an abomination before God and man.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
So if you take away anything from this segment, know this.
It's that lawlessness and social decay are the result of
policy decisions being made in your city. It's not something
that we must tolerate, that we must live with that
is an inevitable result of large cities. It is the
result of poor decision making on the part of prosecutors,

(47:29):
and we are all victims of the lax and limp
wristed approach to law enforcement that is propagated by liberal
do gooders. Thanks for who are shielded by the way
from their own bad decisions. Thanks for listening to Saturday
Night on the Circle. Coming up next, we're going to
talk about the Epstein victims. They have stepped forward and

(47:52):
talked about their assaults and also name names for a
few individuals who may have been involved, Plus more developments
with the Trump administration and a shocking statement made by
Speaker Mike Johnson. Will get into it all coming up
in the next segment, So stay tuned the one and
only ninety three WIBC. This is Saturday Night on the Circle.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
You don't.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
I'm not just one of your maories.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
You don.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Es see if you were listening to Saturday Night on
the Circle, A nighty Tree WYPC.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Welcome back to Saturday Night on the Circle.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
I'm your host Ethan Hatcher, Producer Jack is on the
board and this segment, I wanted to discuss the Epstein
victims who held a press conference this week sharing stories
of their abuse, as well as dropping a few names
of individuals who may have been involved. And yet as
of yesterday, Donald Trump perplexingly continues to dismiss these demands

(49:02):
for additional Epstein files as a democratic hoax, and also
in spite of pressures from his own party demanding transparency
from the administration. House Oversight Committee released more than thirty
three thousand pages of Epstein documents this week. But Trump's
handling of the scandal has driven a wedge between the

(49:22):
President and his coalition of supporters, including Marjorie Taylor Green,
who is pushing back on the idea of calling it
a hoax. And of course, Marjorie Taylor Green an individual
with her own set of problems, very eccentric, some may
say unstable, but in this regard Producer Jack, she is
one hundred percent right.

Speaker 29 (49:43):
Today he called it a hoax while these women were
speaking out and they were saying, we're not a hoax,
we're human beings, and I think we need to see
something turn around. There.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
I'll say this there he can prove.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
He can prove it too by releasing.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Let us decide if it's a hoax or not.

Speaker 8 (50:03):
I mean, I.

Speaker 17 (50:06):
Love everything they're doing MAGA through and through, well, I
just want.

Speaker 29 (50:10):
To finish up on one thing. It's not a hoax
because Jeffriet Scene is a convicted pedophile. That takes away
the whole hoax things. It's not a hoax, it's not
a lie. Somebody who you know, who is a real
coward from one of the Trump admin officials, came out
and called this a hostile act. Well, that coward attacked

(50:32):
me and attacked anybody else and called it a hostile act.
The hostile act was Jeffriete Scene raping fourteen year old girls.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
That was the hostile act. And it's not a hoax.

Speaker 9 (50:45):
Yes, I was on the Sex Island, but only for
this snorkeling. I didn't know anything about the kids stuff. Look,
ninety five percent of what went on down there was
not pedophilia. Oh yeah, No, the other five percent that's Sully,
the whole operation.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah sure did.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
We still know distressingly little details about the abuses taking
place on Epstein Island, But the disturbing revelations that we
do know are that included not dozens producer Jack, but
hundreds of girls over a period of years, billions of
dollars of transactions through bank accounts and through offshore accounts

(51:23):
associated with Jeffrey Epstein, dozens of flights from former president
Bill Clinton to Epstein, Island and elsewhere, which raises the
question of how deep the involvement prominent political officials was
in the wrongdoings of this prolific sexual trafficker and abuser.

(51:43):
Nobody believes nobody, no reasonable person believes that this is
a hoax, That there is no way to corroborate the
involvement of other wrongdoers with Jeffrey Epstein, and the pressure
is still up. But now speak Mike Johnson, he is
perplexingly representing. I believe for the first time, I don't

(52:05):
recall hearing this before that Donald Trump himself was.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Involved with the Epstein investigation.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
Yes, this same Epstein investigation that he's now calling a hoax.
But this is what Mike Johnson had to say, and that.

Speaker 14 (52:19):
He's not saying that what Epstein did as a hoax.
It's a terrible, unspeakable people. He believes in himself when
he first heard the rum where kicked him out of
Bara Dago. He was an FBI informant to.

Speaker 16 (52:27):
Try to take this stuff down.

Speaker 14 (52:29):
The President knows and has great sympathy for the women
who suffered these unspeakable arms. It's detestable to him and
I've spoken about this as recently as twenty four hours ago.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I don't believe you.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
So he's trying to say that not only is the
President not referring to it as a hoax, which he
explicitly is, but that Donald Trump was involved in the
SBA FBI investigation as an informant. Then why would President
Trump hesitate releasing the FBI files? Relief he released the
FBI files, immediately exonerate yourself from any involvement with this

(53:00):
sexual trafficker instead of trying to tallied up as a
Democrat hoax from Barack Obama and from the Democrats. This
doesn't make any sense at all. But, like I said,
the Epstein victims themselves, and the absence of transparency from
the Trump administration at least when it comes to the
Epstein investigation, they stepped forward. They held a press conference.

(53:23):
Many of them shared stories of their abuse, including one
victim who said that she was flown from the United
States on Epstein's jetliner to Africa with none other than
Bill Clinton. Now, she stopped short of implicating him in
any sort of sexual impropriety, but the inference is there.

(53:47):
Let's say, Producer Jack, at.

Speaker 7 (53:49):
First, I was an excited young woman on top of
the world. Epstein flew me to his private island. He
listened to my dreams, promised to help. But his promises
came with a catch. The abuse began. He told me
to keep it secret. He manipulated me with quid pro
quo I did not consent to, but I felt I
had no one to turn to. He was too powerful.

(54:10):
I was just one of the many young women trapped
in his orbit. I was even taken on a trip
to Africa with former President Bill Clinton and other notable figures.
In those moments, I realized how powerless I was. If
I spoke out, who would believe me? Who would protect me?
Epstein himself was the most powerful leader of our country.
Epstein surrounded himself, I'm sorry, with the most powerful leaders

(54:30):
of our country and the world. He abused not only me,
but countless others, and everyone seemed to look away. The
truth is Epstein had a free pass. He bragged about
his powerful friends, including our current president Donald Trump.

Speaker 27 (54:44):
It was his biggest.

Speaker 7 (54:45):
Brag actually, And while what I endured will haunt me forever.
I live every day with PTSD. I live as a
mother trying to raise my child while distrusting world. It
has betrayed me. This kind of trauma never leaves you.
It breaks families apart, it shapes the way we see
everyone around us.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
Dear, in spite of many attempts from our politicians to
bury this story, it is something that's not going away,
and nor should it until there is finally resolution to
the Sword of Details and the misdeeds of those involved

(55:23):
with sex, Pest Island and Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
And you know, it shouldn't matter.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
What political party any of those individuals belong to. It
should only matter getting justice for the victims and ensuring
that abuse on this scale can never take place again.
But it is curious that now the narrative has shifted
once again, and President Trump is said to have participated

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in an investigation that he calls a hoax, which begs
the question, why would President Trump not demand release of
the Epstein files, at least in his own in regards
to his own participation in the investigation to exonerate himself.
I mean, it's it's strange stuff, Producer Jack, but a
story that's not going away, and we will continue to

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cover right here on Saturday Night on the Circle ninety
three WIBC. Stay tuned because coming up next another weekly
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Saturday night. As Democrat City's plummet ever further into tumulton chaos, now,
contented Democrat governors like the dim witted JB. Prinsker Bristol
at the impending aid of federal law enforcement from the

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Trump administration to tame their hellish city scapes. In a
desperate attempt to shift blame now, the left wing intelligentsia
has laid the responsibility of rampant criminality within their cities
on right wing states, while their own prosecutors release violent
felons onto the streets and limit the ability of law
abiding citizens to exercise their own right to self defense.

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Shining a beacon of light through the darkness of Marxist
hypocrisy is the ever vigilant champion of decency producer Carl,
who joins us for another edition of Carl's Conspiracy Corner.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
You are listening to Carl's Conspiracy Corner. The truth is
out there.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Have you ever seen a calming drink of glass of water?

Speaker 8 (57:51):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (57:53):
I can't say I have. The views expressed by conspiracy
Caral are those of Karl and Karl alone. They are
enough of us, of his sty or it's distributors.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
I mean, obviously, returning deep beneath the streets of Indianapolis
in the undisclosed broadcasting bunker, once again another edition of
Carl's Conspiracy Corner. Tell us, my friend, what's going on
with these malcontented Democrats attempting to blame shift when it's
their own cities that are spiraling into decay.

Speaker 21 (58:19):
Well, first, I want to correct what you said in
my intro. It's not that Democrats are blaming right wing states,
because Indiana is hardly right wing.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
As we've discussed, Yes, these days, that's certainly the case.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
They are rhinos. Yeah, so Republicans a name on.

Speaker 21 (58:34):
Let's go to audio from Senator Dick Durbin about his problems.

Speaker 12 (58:38):
All right, it's great when the numbers go down, but
people don't walk around saying I feel twenty two percent safer.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
What do you think people feel like is happening in Chicago?

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Well, I tell you one thing. They feel like. They
feel like they're true.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Damn many guns in Chicago, and they're coming in from
other states like Indiana.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
Dah Okay, Yeah, it's the sales that are going on
in Indiana or the problem, not not the violence that's
being exported from these prosecutors.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
That's nuts.

Speaker 21 (59:05):
Yeah, well, I mean this is this is tried and
true for Chicago politics. Is whatever their problem is, blame
Indiana that is right next door, not the George Soros
district attorney in Chicago that just keeps on releasing violent felons.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
I mean, how much can they blame Indiana? Chicago's been
out of control since the nineteen twenties when they got star.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
We have this al Capone issue.

Speaker 21 (59:26):
If it wasn't for that, darn Indiana. Right, Okay, Now
let's go to space Alien former mayor Lori Lightfoot.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Oh is she still thinks people still paid attention to her?
All right, let's listen to Lori.

Speaker 25 (59:40):
If you really cared about violent crime. Go after the
gun manufacturers who are just mass producing these weapons and
have no liability or accountability. Go after the gun stores
that know that they're selling to straw purchasers, that flood
into our city, past common sense gun reform that we
been begging for for decades. Those are the kinds of

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things that actually would make a meaningful difference in violent crime.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
He's not talking about.

Speaker 25 (01:00:07):
Any of those things. He will not do any of
those things because this is not about violent crime. It's
about something else.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
The Illinois Nazis, I hate ill.

Speaker 20 (01:00:19):
Nazis, Okay, But but but first of all, Carl that
that that doesn't even make sense, because if a gun
store is if you're able to prove that they knowingly
sold a weapon to a straw purchaser to avoid the
background check, that's a crime.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
You can prosecute that. And the second of all, the
idea that you're going to hold gun manufacturer is liable
for how their product is used makes about as much
sense as trying to sue Forward because somebody drove their their.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Vehicle drunk. You know what drove the Mustang drunk?

Speaker 21 (01:00:51):
The MSNB Forward, The MSNBC audience doesn't know that and
that's where Lori Lightfoot was on. I'll say that she's
talking about are.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
They they're still MSN.

Speaker 21 (01:01:03):
It's not now, it's it's not now later exactly. The
one crime that I can remember that Lori Lightfoot since
she's talking about crime that she committed, is that she
claimed that she had to go see her beautition during COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Remember, like she's going to a beautian. Yeah, because you
certainly couldn't tell. So here's the here's the deal.

Speaker 21 (01:01:25):
The Left is always blaming the guns. The guns are
the the the reason for all of their problems, and
the truth of the matter is, as as we've talked
about on this show, which has been talked about on
our radio station, the gun is just the object. If
you want to kill a lot of people, you can

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take your car and run over people. That's been done.
There are people that have gone on to public trans
transportation systems and taking a knife and stab multiple people.
It is the crazy person behind the tool that causes
the problem, and the Left constantly likes to re release
these crazy people onto the streets.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
Well, if you want to look at the root of
the problem, it's a lot of this what they have
branded as quote unquote restorative justice that's infect acuted or
infected the prosecutors because look, well you look no further
than our own Ryan friend of the Miss Grant Mears,
who often pleads down the worst gun charges and then
chooses to prosecute on lesser offenses. And if you put

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those criminals away and took them off the streets, the
crime weight would go drought down, because more often than not,
it's not random outbursts of anger from your ordinary.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Law abiding citizen.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
It's these nutcases who have been in and out of
prison for most of their life, and if you took
them out of society, so much of the problem would
go away. Instead, they are treating people with kid gloves,
and primarily they do this through the lens of race
and social justice view.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Well, so the.

Speaker 21 (01:02:58):
Beautiful thing that's going on DC right now, it demonstrates
that it can be done, That you can have safe
for streets if you just enforced the law and all
of a sudden people are.

Speaker 5 (01:03:09):
Getting carjacked anymore about that's nice.

Speaker 21 (01:03:12):
We also have cases where big blue cities. There were
times where big blue cities like New York and LA
had Republican mayors and those were the best of times
in recent history. Of course, we all know about Giuliani
I from LA. The best time of LA in recent
history is when we had a Republican mayor.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
When was the last time LA had a Republican It.

Speaker 21 (01:03:36):
Was it was like nineteen ninety four until two thousand
and two. I think, oh wow, So this was after
the riot, and people is just like, enough enough enough,
we're going to have a Republican and sure enough crime
rates went down.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Well, you know, the Democrats.

Speaker 21 (01:03:50):
Solved this problem. Republicans don't run for mayor in Los
Angeles anymore. You have the choice between two Democrats. So
I think those good days for big cities like LA
are over.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
This seems like a desperate move from Democrats who are
just trying to do anything they can to distract.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
And then now you have Governor J. B.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
Pritzker who's gonna say if law enforcement comes to Chicago,
he's going to file a lawsuit to stop it from
taking place. Well, this is why would you want your
cities to continuously fall apart? That's the thing that galls
me us.

Speaker 21 (01:04:24):
This is conspiracy corners. So okay, it's purpose ross Child,
it's purposeful. The thugs and the violent people on the
street are essentially the foot soldiers of the left. They
are doing the work of the left. They don't want
businesses to thrive, they don't want families to thrive, they

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don't want individuals to thrive. They want you to constantly
be afraid. So you're dependent upon them.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
Because first you have to decimate the community in order
to remake the community, just like the wildfires of California.
Now they're exploiting the opportunity to push out residents and
then remake the community in their own designs.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Absolutely.

Speaker 21 (01:05:03):
And you know, there's been a lot of talk, even
some concerned on the right about federalizing our local law enforcement.
And I think that's a legitimate concern. But you know what,
local law enforcement in these big cities were federalized a
long time ago. The justice departments, the Justice Department in

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the nineteen nineties, after the Rodney King incident, they came
under federal laws on how to treat criminals. And so
you see police forces and all these big cities basically
have a hands off, like we just come to pick
up the bodies after the incident. No aggressive anti crime

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type of initiatives are allowed by these police departments because
they're fearful that they're going to end up in jail
if they violate these federal laws.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Well, when you go back to the nineteen fifties when
the National Guard was being used to enforce desegregation in
the South.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
So there's absolutely a place.

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
For the federal government to step in when you have
these negligent Democrat governors who are failing their citizens and
allowing a society decay and collapse around them.

Speaker 21 (01:06:12):
And honestly, the people have no say. You can't say, well,
they can vote. I mean when you have these super majorities,
as we learned here in the state of Indiana, basically
it's impossible to get these politicians out of their seats.
And when the politicians feel that their seats are locked
and they don't care about their people.

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
Yeah, that's when service gets worse than ever. Well, I
think that's a good place to leave off the conversation. Unfortunately,
we're not going to get a lot of relief from
these Democrats. But I'm glad that Donald Trump is stepping in.
Somebody's got to absolutely Thanks for another edition of Carl's
Conspiracy Corner and stay tuned to ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
This Saturday night, well this Circle nighty three. He doubled you.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
Why VC, thanks everybody for spending your Saturday evening with me.
I surely appreciate it, and although I should have done
so earlier in the show, make sure to go ahead
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Give us a thumbs up, helps us in the algorithm
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wanted to talk about some of the horrors that we
are living through in modern society, but unfortunately I ran
out a time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
So I'm going to.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
Circle back to that story because it was just fascinating
about genetically altering horses in South America as an opportunity
to completely up in the breeding industry, the horse racing industry,
and I think not for the better.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
This was a story from the New York Post. They
look like ordinary.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
Folds, docile with honey brown coats and white facial patches,
contend to spend their days munching alfalfa in a cordoned
off pasture in rural Buenos Aires Province. But these five
ten month olds are the world's first genetically altered horses.
Cloned copies of a prize winning horse named Polo Pereisa
or Polo Purity with a single DNA sequence inserted you

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in using Crisper technology with the aim of producing explosive speed.
Kirrion Biotech, the Argentinian company that created the horses, says
gene editing has the potential to revolutionize horse breeding, and
I think there's also an enormous potential for exploitation and
for genetic abominations to be unleashed upon the world. We're

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getting ready to do to the horse, Like I said,
what we've already done to the pug, What we've already
done to the Great Dane bests, who, unfortunately, due to
their genetic makeup, live incredibly short and painful lives because
we pushed the breeding to the max in order to
prioritize those racing traits, and consequently we completely screwed up

(01:09:11):
their anatomy. And we're getting ready to do it to
the horse too. I don't like to see this producer Jack.
While creating clones genetically are a genetically identical copy, Crisper
functions as a sort of genetic scissors to cut and
customize DNA. This sounds like something out of a cyberpunk dystopia,
but unfortunately it is all too real. The company which

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specializes in equine cloning, uses Crisper to reduce the expression
of the myo statin gene, which limits muscle growth. The
idea was to increase the muscle fibers that allow for
powerful movements and so transform the horses into sprinters. So
we are attempting to completely bypass the process of evolution

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and take nature into our own hands, some thing that
has had extremely questionable results in the past. Producer Jack,
I am not a fan of this gene editing of horses,
if for no other reason than protecting the horses themselves,
who are sure to suffer under the financial motivation of
people who are racing them, who are using them for sport,

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who are benefiting from the musculature and anatomy of these
horses that they are creating sick stuff elsewhere in the world.
This is a forty nine year old vascular surgeon by
the name of Neil Hopper, and he's across the pond
in the United Kingdom, now facing potential prison time after
he had been named the bravest bravest surgeon in Britain

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for having to amputate both of his legs. But now,
according to prosecutors, that is all being called into question
because it turns out he mutilated himself, freezing his legs
and ensuring they would be amputated in order to satisfy
a perverse first sexual fetish.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
This is a new one for me. I've just been
discharged from hospital and I was admitted and well with sepsis.
Of known course, there were some complications of my hospital
treatment and I lost both my legs below the knees.

Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
This forty nine year old vascular surgeon was once named
the bravest in Britain after he had to amputate both
of his legs, but now Neil Hopper, who performed hundreds
of amputation operations of his own, has pleaded guilty to
two fraud charges after he told ensures that his legs
needed to be removed because of sepsis and not because
of his self inflicted injury. According to reports from inside

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the courtroom, Hopper actually froze his own legs with ice
and dry ice to ensure his legs would be removed.
In insurance claims totally more than six hundred and twenty
five thousand dollars. A friend of Hopper allegedly told him
to milk the payout the now former Surge and spent
some of the money on a thirty thousand dollars campra
van and three hundred and forty thousand dollars on home

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improvements and a hot tub. According to testimony laid out
against Hopper and court, the surgeon wanted his legs to
be chopped off because of an obsession with removing parts
of his own body and a sexual interest in doing so.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
It's time to stop.

Speaker 16 (01:12:20):
It's side to stop.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Okay, no more. I'm gonna Callhop Protective Services.

Speaker 16 (01:12:26):
It's tide to stop.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
And it doesn't end there, Producer Jack, because unfortunately, the
perversion goes on. Not only was he defrauding the the
insurers for personal enrichment and to satisfy a six sexual fetish,
he was also in possession of extreme pornographic materials. And
that's part of how this whole sordid affair was discovered

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an investigation in conjunction with the pornographic creator there I
believe in the United Kingdom, who apparently filmed these videos
with willing participates modeling such things as crushing testicles, mutilating
or dismembering genitals other parts of the body, and then

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sharing this online in corners of the dark web. And
this surgeon purchased a few of the videos for his
own sick pleasure, and it just adds an element of
extreme perversion, the fact that he was performing amputations professionally
and potentially getting some sort of pleasure that was derived

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from that producer Jack. This is not terribly different, in
my estimation, from the transgender movement, where individuals are cutting
off parts of their body, mutilating themselves, altering themselves to
satisfy a sexual fetish, a sexual delusion. What is the
difference between that and what this surgeon can do did

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to himself. Can you think of any legitimate difference?

Speaker 25 (01:14:04):
There?

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
No, no, I mean, unfortunately, we live in a world
where these mental delusions are being coddled, where people who
have the sick fascinations can pursue them through dark avenues online.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
And this is just an.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
Incredibly sick dystopian story that unfortunately is becoming too common
in the modern age. He is far from alone. There
are lots of sick puppies all around this world. That
was just a crazy story, and I wanted to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Share it with you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
Unfortunately, that is all the time I've got, ladies and gentlemen,
This has been a really good show, Producer Jack, I've
been really pleased with the direction of the show this evening.
There's been lots of content, lots of people watching, participating
in the chat.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
It's been a good time.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
Yeah, it's been a good show.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Yeah, and I appreciate you doing a good job on
the board.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
As always, stick around, ladies and gentlemen. There's more to
come on ninety three WIBC, But as for my part,
I am done for the evening. I will be returning
next week. Of course, you can catch my podcasts uploaded
to WIBC dot com as well as my personal podcasting
page Saturday night Onthcircle, dot Fireside, dot FM. We're on Omni,

(01:15:20):
We're on Apple Podcasts, We're on a couple other platforms.
To check out the show and don't miss an episode. Unfortunately,
that's all the time I got, So I'll leave you
with my parting words of wisdom. As always, whoever you are,
wherever you're at, and whatever you're doing, remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Life is a state of mind. See you next time, guys.